Ella Mauldin, a white Christian nationalist and anti-porn advocate, joins Rex Jones and Tim Tompkins to dissect the Epstein files, released under the Transparency Act, exposing $160M paid by Leon Black—later appointed to lead the U.S. International Development Finance Corporation in 2025—for Epstein’s tax schemes while allegedly enabling abuse of a disabled 16-year-old. Maulding links pornography (e.g., Pornhub, X Videos) to trafficking, citing platforms’ complicity and algorithms pushing explicit content to children as young as nine. They critique DOJ redactions, Republican inaction, and systemic desensitization, arguing Epstein’s network—including Black’s son Ben—operates with impunity, prioritizing profits over justice. The episode reveals how power structures exploit legal loopholes and silence victims while younger generations demand accountability. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, I'm curious because in the time period we're like 2018, we get banned.
2021, I think is when I lost my Twitter originally, in about like the half decade period of time when I was gone, this new right, I really don't know a whole lot about it, about like the figureheads, about the people involved, XYZ.
And she's a part of that community.
So I want to ask her questions about that.
And of course, get her a topical opinion on Epstein file.
The same person clearly wrote both these tweets from Jake Shields.
And of course, the caption tweet is actually from someone that we've had on the show before, from Dominic Michael Tripley, who went ahead and compiled it all.
I saw him retweet some Iranian protest footage, which was like from France and then other places where it was like fake.
And that was a big coordinated campaign that was going on during the time when that like a failed color revolution was taking place where they like jammed the Starlink and executed the people and blah, blah, blah.
Breaking, AG and Pam Bondi announces DOJ has released all Epstein file under the Epstein Files Transparency Act, including justified redactions and a list of high-profile names appearing in the documents.
So, Alexander Acosta, Alfred, Gloria, Julian Assange, WikiLeaks guy, Steve Bannon, Leon Black, Anthony Blinken, Pam Bondi's in there.
Yeah, like Maxwell, while other individuals are mentioned only in a portion of document, including press reporting is on his face unrelated to Epstein and Maxwell Matters.
I guess it's just a list of names, but this isn't the unredactions that are promised.
They just put this list of names out there and said, boom, here you go.
So like, if you look at that and you look at the pure cover-up that it is, and then you look at like, breaking news, I just, they just dropped the hammer on Epstein.
And it's just, it's just a list of BS names.
It's very simple.
And everyone I've seen online that's either defending the Epstein thing or minimizing it or it is twisting it in some way, they don't address the very simple argument, which is what everyone said, which is what everyone wants.
These emails where there's the human sacrifice, the child trafficking, the Satanism, the cannibalism, Epstein and Woody Allen literally talking about their human diet.
Traditionally, and there might be people who are new in here.
When we do deep dives, guys, they're a little bit different in which, you know, I'm normally have the costume going and I'm going through some historical context, but that won't be for tonight.
And not to get in the weeds here, I think I saw a video of him saying, like, if he eats cheese, he'll literally die because he's taking something crazy.
It's the men in the black suits that come in and tell you how everything works.
And this is the thing with Trump.
Everyone's like, Trump's bringing back second governance Murakama.
He's the most powerful man ever in history.
He's a God Emperor.
And it's like, there are probably like 50 people more important than him.
But it's people that own the big companies, people that own the AI companies, people that own transportation companies, people like Epstein, middlemen, or the real system that works.
And if that stuff could go on for quite literally two decades, I mean, just think of the mountain of things that we just, we get like little bits and pieces.
But I will say, a lot of these people in power are sweating these days because it is harder to sweep the truth under the rug.
I will say, I'll give your dad credit in terms of like, he was one of those first people that was challenging kind of on a big level the mainstream like narratives when it came to certain things.
And it was actually mainly because of the Pizzagate stuff.
And when COVID started, my parents were like talking about Bill Gates and vaccine mandates.
And then BLM happened right after that.
And then right after that, they stole the election.
And so it was like one thing after the other.
And I just started waking up and I was watching all these documentaries about Pizzagate and got really, really interested in that and immediately just kind of felt like I had to talk about what I was learning.
Like I felt like I couldn't keep this stuff a secret.
So I just started posting on social media and I built a really big platform on TikTok.
But that's when this, the censorship was so bad on TikTok.
Like, yes, many times.
I had one account that had 300K banned.
I had another account got to like 170K banned and multiple others after that that just kept getting banned.
I was like in the Republican hype house, all those things.
We just kept getting banned.
And so I did that for a couple of years and then I took a break and I just recently got back into posting this past summer.
And I really, you know, ramped up like the anti-porn activism, like hitting cultural issues more.
Like I went to public school, homecoming court, all the normal things.
I just thought politics was something that was super boring.
And when all these things started happening and I was seeing it with my own eyes, I was like, oh my gosh, this stuff is like actually affecting everyone.
And then I learned about, you know, the Pizzagate conspiracy.
And I literally couldn't even believe it.
Like, and I was like, how is everyone not talking about this?
And no one was talking about it.
I mean, not around me.
No one was talking about it.
And so, yeah, but the censorship back then was super bad.
And it's gotten so much better since then.
Except TikTok, ever since TikTok has been transferred, the ownership has been transferred to a group of American companies.
I am glad that people, I mean, from what I see on X, it looks like people are not going to stop talking about this.
People are so enraged.
And I think our rage is like, what could save the country?
Like join together because this is like a left and right issue.
You know, it's not, it's not about sides here.
But yeah, the average person, the average person on the street is not talking about this.
And it's the same with how Pizzagate was.
And I've said this in one of my videos, but to me, it's almost like Pizzagate and what we're seeing in the Epstein files and the data sets, the stuff is so sick.
Like it is so gruesome and vile that the average person, it's really just going in one ear and out the other because they're like, there's no way that's happening because people would be doing something about it if it was happening.
But no, it's literally happening and no one's doing anything about it.
So for us, there's a level of life experience that like we don't go through in which I'm sure like men have done certain things to every girl in some form or capacity.
You know, like these crimes, I mean, like sexual assault, rape is a second-degree felony.
I mean, it is next to murder.
It's such a sick crime.
And I talk about this too with sex crimes because with sex crimes, like you're taking the most sacred, intimate act that someone is supposed to be able to have full autonomy over their body in.
And you are basically stripping them of that autonomy and perverting that sacred act and making it forceful in an act of violation when it's supposed to be an act of love and intimacy.
And, you know, the trauma that people have after rape or after like abuse or torture in these emails, I can't even imagine.
But it's, it's really sick.
It's really sick.
And it's things that will, that have probably just haunted these girls that have haunted these victims for decades now.
And it's really hard to have peace, you know, when you have no justice because those people are just continuing to walk free and they're literally in power.
The fact that like the victims were sitting right behind her and she has the audacity to bring up the Dow at that time, like that is so blatantly dismissive and cruel.
Can you imagine like being victim to these sickest crimes that people can't even fathom?
And the attorney general is sitting there talking about the stock market.
Like the biggest slap in the face, the most disrespectful thing I can think of.
And it feels like the thing we see on the right is like, well, you don't want to help the Democrats, do you?
You don't want the Democrats to get a win.
Come on, son.
You got to come in for the big win.
We got to win the midterms.
And it's like, well, what's the point of electing these people if they don't do what they say they're going to do when they get elected?
And I'm sorry, I don't like Jasmine Crockett.
I don't like Jamie Raskin.
I don't like the penguin.
I'm blanking on his name right now, but I don't like any of these senators, right?
Ultimately, if they're going to get up there and ask you a legitimate question, even if it is coupled with some VS that's politically motivated, versus the Republican, when they talk to Bondi, and you saw this too, Tim, we both commented on this.
When the Republican's like, oh, I'm so sorry for what you're having to go through right now, this circus, Miss Bondi.
Would you like to talk?
Would you like my five minutes, please?
Would you like my five minutes?
The weakness of the Republicans and the lack of a backbone are really just, you know, they're happy to do it.
How all of these Republicans are literally giving up their time, like their precious time.
They are sacrificing it, literally just keeping their mouth shut.
This silence is so loud.
Like, if you are not speaking up about this, this is like the hill to die on: protecting vulnerable people, protecting innocent people, children.
If you're under 18, you're a child.
Like, and it is just, it's mind-boggling.
It's mind-boggling.
I don't know what's going on.
It just doesn't really make sense.
And the flip-flop, how they were, they were so big on Epstein transparency and they were going to release the files in Bindergate and all of the influencers with the binders and the big smiles making a huge deal out of it for it all to be redacted.
And then they post more and they're still redacted.
Like all of the clients, all of the names are still redacted.
That's a really tough question because, you know, a lot of the stuff that says his name says it's not credible.
Or I just think that if he is actually guilty of any of these crimes, I will literally ask God for forgiveness that I supported him.
Like, I don't care who it is.
I mean, I loved Trump.
Like, I saw Trump as the, you know, archetypal figure that was going to take down the establishment and drain the swamp.
And I was back in whenever it was 2020, 2021, I was all into the QAnon stuff.
Like, I didn't post about it, but I thought it was so cool.
And I was like, oh my gosh, the storm is coming.
Trust the plan.
Trump is coming.
Trump is going to expose it all.
You know, I was like 17, but I really thought, and I think a lot of people did think that a lot of people thought that Trump was going to come in and, you know, take down these pedophiles.
People were saying it back then that pedophiles are literally like a pabal, a cabal of satanic pedophiles are running the country.
And we thought that Trump was going to take it all down.
And now it's like, his name's in it, but is it even credible?
Well, if it's not credible, why isn't he?
Why aren't they just releasing all the names of the files?
Is there blackmail going on?
I don't know.
But I'm hoping that they continue on with the transparency and that the DOJ investigates these people.
I do think we do have to give credit where it's due that all of the administrations before Trump didn't release the files.
I said, since he was convicted in 2008, you've had now four administrations that have touched the documents.
Right.
So the thing that made it different now is that social media has become a beast on its own.
By the time you get the four-you algorithm from TikTok and all the things that come with that, it's in whatever the flavor of the month or the day is, it's in your face 24-7 to where you can't see it.
So I feel like the only reason why he released it was because of the public pressure that's coming behind it.
And in 2016, even when he had access to the files or whatever and information that was going on at that time, same with Biden.
It's like they were like, well, there's no reason for us to rock the boat because not enough people are talking about it.
I think it's even worse than what you're saying, Tim, because not only did he run on it, all the people in key like criminal justice positions that were appointed also basically campaigned to get themselves appointed to the positions based off their Epstein file position.
Like a one, Dan Bond, you know, Mr., I've seen the file.
He killed himself.
Or Pam Bondi, I have the files on my desk.
You know, we're going to release him.
She came with a campaign ad saying she was going to do all this stuff.
It's like, well, we could talk about the things, but it's, I guess it is harder to prove a murder when you've got, you know, infinite number of resources.
And like Virginia Jufre, she was a really prominent Epstein victim.
And I think she posted saying she wasn't suicidal and last year, dead by suicide.
And she was, she was naming names.
She wrote that memoir called Nobody's Girl Surviving the Abuse.
And I mean, I've talked about it so many times, said that a very well-known prime minister brutally raped her worse than anyone ever had and tortured her and got off to it.
And as she was telling him to stop, he like was aroused by that.
And on police reports, the only prime minister she pointed to is former Israeli prime minister Ahud Barak.
What are your thoughts just on, because of course we focus on American politics, but just globally, geopolitically, I feel like this is all a Ron Ward setup.
And we were talking about it before you joined us on the live.
There's been this list of names that was published by the DOJ as say like, we're not lying.
We're not hiding anything from you.
Gunther Eagleman has reposted it.
My dad has reposted it.
And they all have the same like canned response, right?
And it just feels to me that they're trying to give the public a win because they know that people are beaten down by life.
They're working two jobs.
They got four kids.
They're doing XYZ.
They don't have time to be worried.
So they just want to see.
They don't have to worry about this thing anymore.
Like I don't even, I didn't even need the files or the name release to even like connect the two.
I don't think most people did.
As soon as I found out, you know, ages ago, and they've done documentaries on Epstein that, you know, since the beginning, that he had power of attorney.
I think in 2019, Wexner distances himself, right?
But like, I'm just like, hold on, hold on, hold on.
First of all, just giving somebody complete control of your money and not providing justification for why you have to do that.
Now, I know you've got legal reasons of like, oh, well, I don't have to disclose that information.
I plead the fifth, but it's like, come on, like, there's no way that there's no connection there.
And there's so many years that went by.
We're just now talking about in 2025.
I've been asking people, I'm like, even since 2020, I'm like, why haven't we been talking about this guy at all?
I didn't hear his name at all in the news for the very long time.
But like, you got to understand the only way that you know Epstein has the ability to do the jets and the Lolita and have a freaking Boeing plane is because of the money that he's made from these brands.
So while girls are going in shopping Victoria's Secret, they don't even realize that they're paying for these pedophiles.
You know, Epstein also got transferred this from Les Wexner.
He owned the little children, little girl store just.
Did you know that?
And I always thought it was weird because I got three little sisters, right?
And one's a year and eight months younger than me.
So I would go around with her everywhere.
I always thought it was weird.
They had like 40 cameras in there.
You know, ain't that, ain't that a little odd?
You know, for a children's place, then we see, I forget who he was, but someone who owned like the database for all the children's school photos he's connected as well, all of this stuff.
I don't know that much about it, but Leon Black is listed in the files with some of the sickest descriptions of like 10 and 11 year olds, like brutal, brutal sexual assaults with like objects, torture.
And like, I don't even, I didn't want to go into it.
So gross.
So gross.
Multiple girls, though.
And he's like the former head of Life Touch.
Yeah.
Life Touch, which is the school yearbook pictures.
And then I saw the last couple of days like pictures of what looks like dead bodies with a girl, a girl with like plastic bag over her head, people in cages, something about horse stalls and like an eight-year-old being in a horse stall.
Like the sickest, I can't even comprehend it.
Like, I don't even have words for how evil this is.
Howard Luttnick, every time that Trump is at a presser and Luttnick is always posted up behind him, he's always posted up behind him in any one of these pressers.
And Epstein gets brought up, he just starts hysterically laughing, right?
And Lutnick made the claim.
He goes, Well, I was his next door neighbor, but me and my wife, we went into his house and he had a massage table.
I said, You get a massage every day.
And Epstein said, The right kind of massage.
I looked at my wife and she looked at me and we said, I'm sorry, we have to go.
And then we walked out.
And then he literally lives like nine steps away from Epstein.
He's Epstein's next door neighbor and he's in the emails in 20 in the late 20 teens going to the island.
And look, I know there's people who like want to see the best in it, but like at the end of the day, like there, like you were saying earlier, where there's smoke, there's fire.
Like, there's no doubt about it that you know Trump had other things that like some things were disproven, but then there were actual ones that were proven where like he's done things to like adult women at certain points or like there were things that came out about knowing about it enough.
And that's, that's kind of one of the double-edged swords about X. Like, I've seen all types of stuff I never got to see before.
I, you know, watched in my bedroom, uh, you know, a terrorist attack where like people are literally getting shot and blood's just like spewing out.
It's like you're right.
There's things that, like, you know, psychologically, we have not been exposed to for a very long time because we're no longer like Neanderthals and cavemen that you know we've kind of been sheltered from.
And I just think about it this way: there's a psychology that goes through the mind of people who actually get to certain levels of success.
It's not everybody, but you got to be somewhat like have some sort of crazy edge to become a billionaire to where you know, because often not more often than not, people are fine with just being like okay and like in a normal, yeah, you know, they're not really interested in like having the most money in the world, heights of power, you know, but you have to have a certain level of narcissism and dark traffic, like dark, yeah, some people psychopaths,
like they find that they're sociopaths and they have tendencies that allow them to climb because other people are more like naturing and caring about society, so they're not willing to like push another person down to go up.
Like this is a little bit adjacent from Epstein, but you know, you've mentioned and Rex has told me this about the anti-you know, porn advocacy and those things.
Talk me through that.
Like where did that come from?
How does how do those things play out?
Like what is your message when you've when you've gone out and spoken about these things?
Um, you know, it does kind of tie in with everything going on right now.
That might sound a little schizo, but like reading some of the details of these assaults, you'll notice like common themes.
And like with Virginia Jufries, for instance, in the claims against Ahud Barak of her, I mean, him like getting off to her pain and stuff.
So a lot of these themes are very common, prominent themes in pornography.
And so the angle I talk about pornography from is mainly from a how it hurts innocent people.
A lot of porn is literally filmed rape and trafficking.
Porn is the number two biggest contributor to the sex trafficking industry because of how much of porn is literally filmed sex trafficking and people have no idea.
They're just clicking on it.
They think they're just watching like kinks or fantasies and no, you're literally watching crimes being filmed.
So I really hit it from main ones or you're talking about is that mainstream ones like the big names like we know about like the hub and those types of ones or you're talking about very ones that are okay.
Pornhub has faced a lot of lawsuits, lots and lots of lawsuits in ALO, like the parent company of Pornhub, of not removing sex trafficking videos, not removing real filmed rape videos.
And they'll have people like victims will reach out to Pornhub saying, take this down.
This was literally like during trafficking and they won't take it down.
You have to go and report it like 16 times for them to take it down.
There are so many stories about it.
Girls do porn.
I don't know too much about explicitly what happened there, but it was several women, I think dozens of women that were trafficked.
And Girls Do Porn was like one of the top profiles on Pornhub.
Really, the entire thing was a trafficking ring.
And all of the men are now in jail for trafficking.
It was literally on Pornhub, literally like top performer on Pornhub.
And it's all just filmed trafficking and rape and physical abuse.
And, you know, a lot of porn is not.
I try to explain it to people, especially girls, because, you know, it's more of a male problem.
A lot of girls don't watch porn.
And I try to explain it like, I think I always thought that porn was just two consenting adults having sex.
There's no big deal.
Like whatever.
Yeah, sure, it's gross.
It's lustful.
Okay.
Like, I don't want to date someone watching that.
It's cheating.
But I never realized that like a lot of porn is not that.
It's very much sadistic and disgusting and violent and coercive and forceful and abusive.
And so I say, like, I think that a lot of the crimes that are very prominent in our culture today, like rape, domestic violence, even pedophilia, a lot of these themes are derived from pornography and from a long-term porn addiction.
Because when someone is chronically addicted to porn and masturbating, sorry to be a little explicit with my language, but like you're chronically everything we have.
Is it the incel-like thing where like the guy's not getting anything out of life?
And so he turns to that in order to, because I mean, you know, dating is, is an epidemic for people who are both men and women and those types of things.
Like, where is this stemming from for people to feel like that's the outlet that they need?
I think a lot of it has to do with the growth of technology.
I mean, when my dad was a kid, when my granddad was a kid, maybe they had like Hustlers Magazine or something or something like a VHS tape from an adult video store, right?
Whereas like you're 12 years old, you have an iPad with unfettered internet access like me, you're just going to see it, right?
And like, I think anyone that is like a modern age guy, like Gen Z or Millennial, that doesn't say that is just lying, right?
Like it's just out there in your face.
It's promoted to you.
And it's the parents, it's the culture, it's the government.
None of them protect the children, right?
So it's the thing as to where if you can sexualize someone when they're a minor, if you can get them to think in that way and operate in that way, not only are they going to be messed up when they're an adult, they're also probably going to be a better target for you if you're a predator trying to get them involved in something.
And I always thought as a kid, like whether you're looking at something like gambling, like gambling used to be super illegal.
It used to be illegal to bet on sports.
You should be illegal to do all this stuff.
People look at you like you are crazy.
I remember making jokes about betting in high school and the teacher going, that destroys lives.
Like, that's good, right?
Like, that's that's that's here, right?
But I always thought that more regulation would come to the internet, more regulation would come to the gambling, the freemium stuff, anything where they try to get you to do the repeat transactions, whether that's attention or money, right?
And I think porn is kind of the king of the attention grabbing in that section.
And I'm, I'm of the opinion that if you hurt a little one, if you hurt a kid, I don't think you should go to jail or prison and protect your custody for a couple of years.
And like he said, like we have to make an example out of people.
You know, I was like against the death penalty because I was like, oh, well, I think it's worse to sit in rotten jail forever than just like have the quick fix and just get killed.
And it's like, so many of these people don't see justice because they don't go and report until they're like 15 or 16.
And it happened when they were five or and it's, it's so sad because there's no evidence or they can't do a saying exam or and like the Epstein files, this could be our time to get justice for these women and men or these boys and girls and say like, hey, you want to do these things?
I'm not, I'm not exactly sure how it works, right?
But it's horrible because it's permissive, right?
Like whatever it's for, it does exist for some of these crimes, right?
And it's like, well, if you evade it, you evade it.
And you don't get caught, you don't get caught.
I think we got to get rid of that in the country.
I think it's about time.
And it's like you say, with the Epstein files and about this being our time, so to speak, this is a bipartisan issue, right?
On the left and on the right, most people, I would say probably about 80% in each group, absolutely cannot even stand to think about this stuff and want these people off of the planet.
And what I'm advocating for, what I'm asking people like this back about, is really making this a common sense issue, really getting people peacefully all together, white, black, brown, red, I don't care.
It doesn't matter in the street together saying, we want into this.
We want real punishments for these crimes.
It's not a joke.
It's not a, it's not just a funny happenstance.
These are our children.
These are our family, you know, everyone, the human family, all of us together, because it is a universal thing that makes everyone normal, right?
It's like you, you care about your loved ones.
You care about your friends.
You care about your family.
Even if you don't have family, you care about your friends.
You care about the people, their children and whatnot.
And we have to recognize that there is that 2% to 3%, that predatory class that really wants to hurt those people.
You know, I think about this and, you know, you're not familiar with our show.
It's not very much so like from our perspective and what we try to push out there is we're very much so like we're not taking political sides.
We're very much so just calling people out no matter which side it is.
the bipart you know that the two-party system doesn't work those types of things talk about your ideology a little bit in terms of like i'm sure you've shifted over time coming from the age of 17 being exposed to this where you know maybe not everybody was consuming political content versus where you are right now do you feel like there's been any pendulum swift in terms of things you used to hold on to and then now you believe something else Yeah,
And is the Biden administration is what kind of shifted you in terms of that or kind of like believing in Trump and the things that have that he ran on during that time period?
I would say more believing in Trump and the things he was running on, like how he came out of the gates in 2016 and just the things people were talking about that radicalized me and learning more just about history and stuff.
Dave Lawrence, I think the division that happens so quickly and the degradation of the fact that you've got two clear fractions where you've got people who are on the very conservative side, very MAGA, then you've got like just the traditional Republicans and that side.
There's been a tension, and then you just look at the Democrats, as much crap as you can give either side.
One thing you do have to give the Democrats credit for, and people will give me shade for this, is at least they're united on something and they defend each other.
Yeah, they do.
You're not going to see Obama trashing, you know, AOC, you know, even though they're not going to agree on everything.
So, like, I look at it like, okay, well, Trump is going to trash every MPV.
You know, MGT, he's just going to trash her, kick her out.
But, like, there's a level of diplomacy that needed that needs to come back to the presidency that I think we've been missing for some time, including when Biden basically deteriorating in real time.
And like, you just couldn't understand what he was saying.
I just hope the next candidate just kind of like redefines what America looks like from the outside perspective to the rest of the world.
I think we need to back to being the right on the right side of history.
It's sad because we only have four years potentially, right?
Because until liberals take over again, and Trump's already pulled out of Minneapolis and he's just like completely bowed down to the left there, which is really upsetting to me.
I think they only arrested like 4,000 people in Minneapolis and already pulled out.
And it's just mind-blowing to know how many.
I think Clinton, it was like he deported 12 million people.
Bush deported 12 million people.
Obama deported like 8 million.
Biden, maybe 4.
We're not even close to that.
And the uprise that's happening.
And it's like, we're not even going to get our mass deportations.
The thing is, if you want the people gone, then make it illegal to hire them, arrest people that are actually hiring them.
Oh, wait, Trump works in hospitality and those are all his friends.
So the immigration enforcement, like, I'm against it.
Okay.
I'm against American citizens getting shot.
Oh, he's a terrorist.
He's a terrorist.
Whatever.
Okay.
Ultimately, take a guy's gun from him.
You shoot him when he's face down.
I can't support that.
I was raised to be pro-Second Amendment.
I can't support that.
That guy was carrying legally.
At the same time, you're not even doing the job that ICE is supposed to be doing.
You're not even getting the people out of there in significant numbers.
It's just done to be a failure.
Like that, that's how I look at this whole administration: everything is a designed failure.
It's as bad as it can be on every single subject, on every single topic.
And then if you point it out and say, hey, this is bad, I don't agree with this.
They go, shut up.
You work for the Democrats.
You were a Democrat hoax.
You are a liberal.
XYZ is like, no, we're People that actually voted for you, but then there's this contention of the rich donors and the boomers that are like, This is what we wanted all time.
And that's who he seems to make friends with, whether it's Marjorie Taylor Greene, whether it's my father, whether it's Thomas Massey, anyone you can name that's actually somewhat for real and backed Trump from the beginning and was Trump's friend and wanted him to win and campaign for him at XYZ.
He turns against them the most.
He goes against them the hardest versus someone like Lindsey Graham, who ran against him, who's never Trumper, never Trumper.
Those are the people that he wants to be friends with.
Like, I don't know if there's blackmail going on, but all of the people that would have died for Trump, like literally, and he's siding with the people who literally ran against him and did not support him.
And I hear Owen talking about this all the time.
Like all of the January 6th political prisoners, like think about that, like how let down these people are.
Like, yeah, he released them, but they should be getting like reparations.
We should have a national holiday for these people.
And he's literally turning against everyone that's been with him forever.
You know, at that time period, I've got, I've got like different opinions on that.
I'm not necessarily like they deserve to go into jail that long and all those things.
I don't think the crime justified or whatever you could consider crime, whatever they're convicted of to justify that level of punishment when you've got so many other things and people who are doing worse things and not being punished for those.
But I will say, it's just, it's just sad that we take these things and we make them political issues rather than just looking at it objectively.
Like, look, like your dad, for example, the billion-dollar lawsuit and the things that go with that.
You know, people like people that have been trafficked, people that have been abused, where there's exactly they don't, they don't exist, but they'll come after one person who they declare is bad.
And then because they hang that one person or put their head on its bike, that means that we're all winning together as a society, right?
And ultimately, they come after people, whether they're good, bad, or a mixed, they come after people that are bothering them or a threat to their system in some ways.
Never the people that are actually in the system that get in trouble.
give us a second okay what let me let me uh let me text her real quick i think what she needs to do is completely exit out of the app altogether now i wonder maybe she's doing on a phone she is yeah i think that's probably the the issue i think she's going to come back i just realized that i don't know where the mail key is now i'm like oh no What do you mean?
So I'm going to, after our interview, I'm going to scurry out of here for five minutes.
I'm going to try to look for it.
But really phenomenal.
You know, I really like her.
And this is what we need to see more of is ultimately whenever you see people talk about politics, someone that's like 40 years old going, I can't get messed for the country.
Or someone that's 60, like, this is what's right.
Ultimately, it's us.
It's the people in our 20s, 30s, 40s, whatever, that still, you know, have a lot of decades left to live in this country, right?
And a lot of the times, people that broadcast these political opinions to us, they're going to be dead in 20 years, right?
So I like seeing young people broadcast their opinions.
I think she's got a really strong voice and a really strong platform.
And it's that bipartisan thing of, right?
Like, maybe we don't all agree on the same things, but when it comes to the core issues, when it comes to things that really matter, like protecting children, we're all united on that.
What do you think about the future of young people in politics like yourself, like us, people that got a lot of skin and time in the game, so to speak?
We're going to be here for a while.
These boomers, they're not.
All right.
My grandparents are boomers.
I love them.
I'm not racist against the boomers.
I'm commonly accused of being, but at the same time, these are the people that have voted us into the situation that we all now have to deal with after they're gone.
What do you think is the consciousness of the young people like yourself, like us?
Do you think that Gen Z is really politically motivated?
I think that Gen Z is like moving further right too.
And people are angry and fired up.
And I think people are going to be infiltrating the systems, like people that aren't, you know, just normal people, like that are just going to college.
They're going to infiltrate the institutions.
And I think that really is the answer.
It's the slow infiltration.
And that's how we're going to take the country back.
And of course, everyone that is like speaking about these things, like me and you and InfoWars and different people, there's a place for that too.
Cause, you know, we're like riling these people up.
So I do, I do have hope.
I do have hope.
I'm not like blackpilled completely.
I'd say it's going to be a slow and steady infiltration to take the country back, you know?
I'm from Connecticut, Massachusetts, very Democrat.
Like I was like 95% of black people vote Democrat.
So like I was in the sauce.
And minus the whole 2020 awakening and the COVID vaccine and what made me push.
I had a lot of people who were also in that Democrat bucket.
And, you know, when the Biden administration did all of those different things, you're right.
It did push a lot of people right.
But what I'm seeing, I don't, I see a large population of people who have been pushed right, but they're not going like fully right because of everything that's even happening here.
And for me, I am also in that camp of people who's like, okay, I went from left and I was like, I was pretty conservative, like probably like a year and a half ago before Trump kind of got in.
And I was like, I'm not for this illegal immigration.
This is one big issue.
Why are we sending money to Ukraine?
I believe in all that stuff.
But then as I had the stuff that I'm seeing that the Republicans are doing, I'm getting whiplash from this side.
And a lot of us have now shifted just like either dead center or you're like dead right center and maybe a little left, but you're not moving on either side is what I'm saying.
Like that, that's the biggest thing that bothers me is like, I'm like, we use them because that's the, that's what we were educated at a very, that's all we've ever.
So it's like for you, like, I'm sure like you've, you've, you've like, you've explained to us like your positions and things like that.
And some of them could be on that right wing and like, okay, I may not agree with everything, but like I'm still able to have a healthy level of dialogue with you to where like we're respectful of each other.
Things that like, I'm like, oh, she's hitting the nail right on the head.
And some of those things might just come from a left leaning, but really, it's not really a left or right leaning.
It's also common sense thing of like, what's just right from wrong, wrong from a human perspective that we kind of just miss and realize that like you compromise your human and moral values just to be inside of that and feel like you're tribal because humans are tribal.
That's actually why we have those systems because you need to feel a part of a system of a team.
And the thing that's so disgusting about Trump and about the new Republican Party or the MAGA rebrand, whatever you want to call it, is it actually does come from a legitimate place of people actually wanting a better country and a better life that's divorced from that duality and right.
But he's been able to marry that into the political system.
And that's the real Pied Piper thing that really scares me about just what we're dealing with now is I know the younger people, because we see the polling numbers, Trump's polling numbers, young people are just going, but anyone that's mid-age or older, I'm afraid they're going to keep falling for the psyop.
Like they want to wear, you know, the Trump trucker hat.
They want to wear the FAFO shirt.
They want to do these things.
And it's just like you're slitting your own wrists in a bathtub and you're happy about the color that's coming out.
Like I was at the rodeo the other day and our congressman, Michael Guest, like came out and started speaking.
And he was just like, God, guns and freedom, like something, Second Amendment, Second Amendment, Second Amendment.
And I'm sitting there and I'm like, you haven't said a word about the Etsy files.
Like I, this is just beyond me.
People, all these Republicans are clinging to, you know, the talking points that everyone talks about, whether it's like abortion or guns and like, yeah, sure, these things are important, but we have much more important things at hand here.
We're all on a path of figuring that out and trying to walk with the Lord, no matter how horrible we are at doing it.
And I'm real bad at doing it, I'm just going to be honest, but aren't we all?
We have to realize that there is a creator, that we are created in the image of God, and that ultimately this is why you can't do things to little ones is because you're supposed to see Christ and yourself and every single person, young or old, that you see ever.
And somewhere along the line, that has broken for these people.
Right.
So I think whether it's the anti-porn testimony, whether it's the Epstein files testimony, whether it's just you talking about these issues from, you know, a new post-duopoly perspective, I think you are doing really good and really powerful work.
But seriously, thank you for being here with us tonight.
It means a lot.
We always like to say, thank y'all.
You're more than welcome to come on the show anytime.
You should let us know.
But we have the best guests.
We have the most phenomenal guests like you've never seen before.
Seriously.
The guests that come on.
I'm very proud of what the gray area has become.
And it's me and Tim working together.
Tim works so hard on the back end, on the tech end.
We've got King Andrew and King Damon on the producer team working in real time alongside with us.
And in really a short period of time, because you talked about just getting back into the mix of things recently, in really a short period of time, kind of the same period of time as you, we've been able to grow this thing into something legitimate.
And we're really proud to be here with you today.
And we hope to be on air with you again soon and others like thank y'all so much for having me.
Last thing I want to say is I know you mentioned at the beginning, like when we were just kind of testing and making sure everything was going to go good, you were nervous because you were kind of outside of this space and you're like, this is the first time I'm getting back into this live stuff.
So, you know, with these things, very interesting.
I didn't know what to expect.
You know, I get nervous because you never know what people are going to say and how it fits into the show.
And our belief is not into censoring or picking particular sites to be able to allow people to have conversations and exclude people.
I mean, it's all about conversations.
And like I said with her, like we are finding that we agree on more than we disagree, you know?
And it's very interesting to see like she's, Rex, you're 23, 20.
Yeah, you're 23.
She's 22.
It's like, I'm only, I'm 27.
Like, guys, this is the next wave.
Like this, like by the time, you know, if you think about it, by the time like we're your dad's age, like these, we're the voices trying to carve out the new narrative in society.
If you think about that, you think about the situation that that's put us in against our will, against our consent.
We never asked for any of that, right?
We just wanted to be normal Americans, live in a free society.
But turns out they're all satanic devil worshipers who like to hurt little ones.
Okay.
So, that's ultimately why we do the show is because the people that rule us, people that make the laws, people that take all this money, they are not legitimate.
All right.
We may be flawed.
We may be abused by the system and by society and by these things that Ella talked about, like pornography and XYZ.
Even if we're flawed people, we have to come forward and say, Hey, if we're damaged from the system, if we're messed up from the system, we don't want the same for our children because we know how bad it is, right?
And I think that's the thing that unites us, whether we're young or middle-aged, like if you've got kids or you're going to have kids and you want a better world for them, the time is now.
But for Friday, like, I'm really just trying to make sure that we feel comfortable with what we want to talk about on Friday because it's very important.
So you guys are going to get a sneak peek.
I've talked about some of this stuff on Thursday, but when you look at the upstream files and a lot of people talk about them, we talk about the people.
We talk about the names on the list, people that are being shown, but not a lot of people think about the higher level arguments when you think about, okay, well, what is this person connected with?
We just say, well, Joe Schmo is part of, you know, this CEO of this company and he has this share in this company.
And a lot of these people hold high levels of power that actually influence the day-to-day activities of everybody in America.
And not just that on a global level.
Like you and I get affected by the decisions.
So it's like, if a person can go and do these things to a girl, then what other things are they doing that have economic influence where they're selling out the people?
And if you think about the people that are in power that are on these lists, they become desensitized to decisions.
You know, they get elected, they get put in positions, and then you're trusting that that person's going to make the right decisions on behalf of the people, the greater good of society.
But if you're already down the rabbit hole of like doing that type of stuff, then you're desensitized to making better decisions and you're just going to be selfish.
It's the fact that the class of people that are around you that are also committing these acts that have achieved the heights of power, they're your biggest fans.
And I think that's what's happening with Trump, right?
It's like all he gets is positive reinforcement from these donor class people.
And uh, you know, you remember I said like the sultan doesn't even really look like uh you know he would be doing these things.
This guy is exactly who I expect him to be just by face value.
So let me let me uh get my bearing straight here.
But basically what you need to know about this guy, Leon, he's all about power, influence, and proximity, right?
He's a billionaire investor.
He's the co-founder of a group called Apollo Global Management, and it's one of the largest private equity firms in the entire world.
Okay.
And that's very important because Apollo is managing billions of dollars, right?
Approaching a trillion, actually.
So the money comes from public pension funds, retirement systems, university endowments.
You're talking insurance companies, you name it.
Like that's where they're managing your money.
And this is the guy managing the money.
He's the co-founder.
He's helped create this system.
And so when Apollo moves capital, it's not abstract.
It's something that actually hits the markets.
It affects teachers.
It affects pensions, retirement accounts, insurance policy holders.
And Apollo doesn't just buy stocks, it buys companies.
And companies are what run America itself.
I've always stated this, and it's very important that people understand: America and the world is now not run corporatized, it's corporatized because they have influence in our government because they can lobby, right?
Right.
So when they go into these companies, they basically add debts, they cut costs, they sell assets, and that affects a ton of things.
So let's go ahead and pull up this video, this YouTube video.
It's the one that states, let me just get my bearings straight here.
It's the one that starts at 238 that explains.
Actually, no, sorry.
Let me correct myself.
We're going to watch the one that talks about who is the Apollo group.
Okay.
And then we'll go into Leon Black specifically.
But let's go and start with that video and start from the beginning.
Red box, sat in a jacuzzi, had an ADT protect your home, driven through a Carl's Jr., bought craft supplies at Michael's, stayed at the Great Wolf Lodge, enjoyed games at Chuck E. Cheese's, taken a cruise on Norwegian Cruise Lines, gotten protein from GNC, had your ears pierced at Claire's.
watched a movie at AMC, hit the slots at Caesar's, or shopped at Sprouts.
You've interacted with Apollo Global Management's massive investment portfolio.
So you're talking about, let's say, like an Apple, a Microsoft, an Amazon, right?
But there's also companies that are like either adjacent to them or below, in which they are also massive companies that supply the industries that actually run their programs and their systems.
So for example, Amazon has trucks that they use.
There's a company that supplies those.
They are the biggest players in that and they play into the industry.
There are people that provide Apple with the raw materials.
That's also another company.
So a lot of the surface level ones that we know about are the ones that are mainstream.
And we are like, oh, well, that's also the evil people or certain things that are doing things.
You got to think about the secondary people that also have billions of dollars, but they're just in the boring things that people don't care about or don't interact, but are just as important as the massive companies.
Apollo Global Management also has its fingers in dozens of companies in chemical manufacturing, business services, natural resources, trucking, and the telecommunications industry.
But despite their massive reach, most people have never heard of Apollo Global Management.
I didn't hear about them until I was in college doing a business strategy case about Redbox in like my junior year.
So considering it's such a massive company with $598 billion under management, it's kind of strange that there isn't much out there about them.
So today we're going to change that by answering three main questions.
First, and this one is by far the easiest.
Where did Apollo come from?
Second, how successful are they really?
And third, and probably most importantly, what makes them so successful?
And can we learn from what makes them successful in making our own business ventures more effective or more profitable?
The roots of Apollo are in the collapse of Drexel Burnham Lambert, which was the fifth largest investment bank in the United States at the time.
Drexel Burnham Lambert, which is a terrible name in my opinion, went bankrupt because Michael Milken, one of Drexel's executives, condoned or encouraged, it depends on who you ask, unethical and eventually illegal trading practices in his role as the head of the high-yield bond division.
At first, it was just charging above the legal markup for trades, but eventually it grew to be full-on insider trading.
Until 2008, Drexel Burnham Lambert was the largest investment bank bankruptcy since the Great Depression.
After Drexel's collapse, a bunch of its higher-ups were completely out of jobs, right?
So Leon Black, the former head of Drexel's mergers and acquisitions department, teamed up with Josh Harris and Mark Rowan, who are other high-ranking employees at Drexel to form Apollo Advisors, which would eventually change its name to Apollo Global Management.
And despite Michael Milken being in jail and these three guys being some of his right-hand men, their reputations as savvy investors managed to survive the controversy.
And they brought in $400 million for their first investment fund.
Even with this substantial war chest at their disposal.
Dude, $400 million for your first investment fund, you got a lot of pull.
And guys, this is back like in the 90s, I think.
So you're talking about a crap ton of money in order to do these things.
And so you might even have a job in which your pension goes through these people and you have no idea.
Like, I know you're not, you're, you're a business owner, but like in the nine to five or life, you know, like a lot of the times you get just like you get like a packet and they say, oh, well, here's your retirement packet, your 401k.
And this is what you're invested in.
That's managed by some random company you've never heard of.
I think T-Row is like one of the companies I've worked with.
Sometimes it's Fidelity or something like that.
That's a little more mainstream.
So like the companies don't even know really the company that's managing that or what they're doing with the money.
They're just like, well, they just provide a service.
And you're talking about companies that have like 10,000 plus people.
Those people have their money within these giant private equity firms that are able to trade your money and move the market.
So, you know, when you think about it, it's kind of weird because when we think about Leon Black, you just look at him and you're like, oh, well, he's just an investor.
But then you start seeing the connection between him and Epstein between like 2012 and 2017, where, you know, he paid Jeffrey Epstein basically $150 million for tax and financial planning advice.
Anyways, Leon Black is married and has four children.
One of those children is a son named Ben Black.
Ben Black runs investment funds and he was recently appointed by Donald Trump.
Literally just a few weeks ago, he was appointed to run the U.S. International Development Finance Corporation, which invests in infrastructure, healthcare, and food security.
And when I tell you, he was appointed weeks ago.
He was appointed this month, October 2025.
So Leon Black met Jeffrey back in 1996 and the two would maintain a friendship for over 20 years.
A year after meeting in 1997, Leon Black would make Jeffrey main trustee of his and his wife, Deborah's foundation.
The wealthy just love their self-named foundations and they just really loved making Jeffrey in charge of them.
Very strange.
So for years, Leon was a client of Jeffrey's.
Jeffrey did consulting work and tax mitigation strategies for Leon as he did for many other clients.
And over the years, Leon Black paid him around $160 million for the work that he did on his tax mitigation strategies.
Like we've talked about before, Jeffrey was basically hiding money from the government for his clients using tax shelters, trust funds, and offshore accounts.
Due to Jeffrey's crafty tax mitigation strategies, he helped Leon Black avoid paying about $1.3 billion in taxes.
It's almost like Jeffrey spending decades helping the top 1% hide money from the government to avoid paying taxes that they owe would have a really negative impact on the economy.
It's almost like the hundreds of billions of dollars that Jeffree helped hide so that his clients didn't have to pay taxes on their income would have really stimulated the economy if paid out properly by the 1%.
It's also super interesting how the economy completely collapsed when a lot of people had to cut ties with Jeffrey, at least publicly, when he went to prison in 2008.
Anyways, since 2021, Leon Black has been sued for SA or R-word a total of three times.
For the sake of time, I'm just going to talk about the lawsuit that was filed against Leon Black on July 25th of 2023, where Leon Black was accused of R-wording a 16-year-old girl who has Mosaic Down syndrome and autism back in 2002 in Jeffrey's Manhattan mansion.
In her lawsuit, Jane Doe recalls meeting a woman named Elizabeth who was in her 40s when she was around 15 years old as Elizabeth was teaching a cheerleading program for youth in her county.
And Jane Doe recalls meeting Elizabeth back in 2001.
And I don't know if this person's real name is Elizabeth or that's just an alias they're identifying her as.
But according to Jane Doe, Elizabeth took a very special interest in Jane Doe.
And Elizabeth would spend the next year procuring Jane Doe for Jeffrey and Ghelane.
According to the lawsuit, Elizabeth showed Jane Doe a lot of attention and became very close with Jane Doe's parents.
As Elizabeth and Jane Doe spent more time together and Elizabeth was able to build trust up with Jane Doe's parents, Elizabeth convinced Jane Doe's parents to allow Jane Doe to sleep over at her home and travel with her to cheerleading related events.
Ultimately, according to the lawsuit, those sleepovers were just an opportunity for Elizabeth to isolate and procure Jane Doe.
And those trips were opportunities for Elizabeth to take Jane Doe to different properties owned by Jeffrey so that she could be harmed.
So, yeah, I mean, like, you know, it's bad enough that it's a girl, but then the fact that she's got autism and Down syndrome is absolutely insane to me.
Well, they pray on the wig, you know, and he saw her probably not only as an easy target, but as someone that he would probably get off with more, you know, he's abusing someone that literally can't even comprehend what's going on.
I mean, and you say that this is like kindergarten still.
Like, Epstein would do things to babies, and they found out that if they played the mother's voice while doing things to the baby, that the baby would do things more.
Okay, from redacted to redacted subject notes, trafficking Leon Black call with someone, someone, Esquire, lawyer.
May 6, 2023, call with Leanne Christensen, Wigdore LLP, legal firm, like it, licensed legal practice.
Leon Black, Wall Street person, 72 or 71 years old now, founded one of the largest private equity global funds that exists today that's publicly traded.
One of Epstein's friends, very powerful.
Seven to eight years, Black was sexually violent with her.
Black bites parts of her violence was arousing for him, very painful for her.
JC represented victim for civil defamation case, not sex abuse case, went to USAO in Manhattan, May or June of 2021.
JC doesn't represent her anymore.
Got a call from victim woman who said she heard about lawsuit against black.
Victim said black raped her around 20 years ago in Epstein's townhouse.
Victim described it, felt pain like the insertion of something sharp in her on massage table.
Epstein loved that massage table.
That's the same massage table Luttnick talks about with head on the floor and legs.
But it's like your consciousness to even defend a man when like you, you, you know, like as the prosecutor, or I'm sorry, the defendant who's defending your person of interest here.
Because like whatever it is, you're either taking money from a group of people, you're sending someone to jail or defending someone, keeping them out of jail.
They should be in jail, whatever.
Like you're an advocate, right?
And you can be the devil's advocate.
That's the job of the lawyer, ultimately.
But at some point, like it's indefensible with these people do 100%.
Indefensible.
It cannot be defended.
And like, what do you do when you're like, your honor, my client is innocent.
And why do you even need to know about the Apollo group?
We've kind of hinted at the things about, like, okay, well, they have like, he's the guy.
He's the guy who makes the decisions.
He's the one who's founded the corporation.
He has the majority shares.
Actually, they never even talked about just because a person steps down doesn't mean they have, don't have stocks still within that company to still make decisions.
But if you think about it, why this matters is because private equity firms like Apollo, they influence the real world outcomes.
So you're looking at it like, okay, when they buy a company, workers can lose jobs.
They can have debt increases.
They can serve the services can change.
Your healthcare systems can be restructured and prices can shift.
Now, the way that Apollo used to operate and still does is they go in and they buy distressed companies that are either hit bankruptcy or near bankruptcy.
Okay.
And at that point, they go in, they infuse it, they make the company really big, but they also make it really big by cutting a lot of heads and cutting a lot of jobs.
These corporations and the private equities that control the corporations that actually make the decisions on, okay, we just need to cut costs.
They don't look at, they do not look at who is in this position or who's in that position, what family member is associated with that person, what's the impact to their life.
They're like, we just got to make the shareholders happy.
So if you think about this, guys, we sit here, we talk about Pablo and we talk about, you know, Raj and Enrique and all the immigrants.
And we talk about like, okay, well, these person, these people are taking our jobs.
They're invading and they're taking the jobs that we want.
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But really, just think, yeah, just think critically here, guys.
How do you make a company more profitable when the economy is doing bad and XYZ and the shareholders and the people at the top of the CEO solely to make money?
Well, you fire people, you automate things, and bing, bang, boom, you got your solution.
And how often do we sit here and actually blame the corporation on a mass level in terms of even on X, man?
Like, I don't see enough people criticizing like, okay, we talk about like the H-1B coming in and taking the Amazon job, whatever.
Dude, that might be like a thousand people here or there.
That doesn't compare to the 45,000 people they have to cut across the board in all of these positions because they want a clear house and bringing it back to Apollo.
They are designed in order to maximize profits.
So they do not care about you as the American person.
So at the end of the day, we should be pointing to the people that operate in the shadows that actually decide whether or not there's enough jobs in the market and who gets hired.
And you just have to think about it this way as well.
As long as they can just point to an immigrant or they can point to some other group, then they get to just live life and not face any consequences.
And it's very much so like people get angry and galvanized and it becomes a decisive nature to where you can't even tell what's right from wrong, what's the truth.
Because also, keep in mind, these people own media too.
So do you think they're going to put a hit piece on themselves to explain how, you know, the bad practices they did and how much money they spent and they really shouldn't have done this thing with their money and they just were irresponsible.
And when you have these big conglomerates, right, where there's all these different companies, it's like the media company acts in services a PR firm for all the other companies that are doing the bad things, right?
And the other companies that are doing the bad things, they act as the logistics or supplier money arm for other groups to do things.
And it's all a cycle.
And ultimately, people like us, even if, even if you're decently well off or whatever, you cannot comprehend that the amounts of money are like not real.
And at the end of the day, when you look at the whole situation, you and I can't see within the decisions themselves at the higher levels of like how they have, it's the spreadsheets and how they have to calculate these things.
And it's just sad, man.
Like there was a point at which like every single point in time in history, there's a point where like, okay, you could blame the immigrants.
Let's blame the Italians.
Let's blame the Irish.
They're the reasons for these particular things.
And it's the same cycle.
There's something bigger happening behind the shadows.
And that's why I come on this show and I show you guys these things because you want to talk about the Epstein files.
He basically served in the senior economic policy roles during the Trump administration.
And these positions sit inside of the executive branch and they help shape federal economic strategy.
And that's very important for you guys to know because senior economic advisors in the White House, they influence regulatory things.
They coordinate with the treasury and the financial agencies and they help shape tax and financial policy and they contribute to decisions on investment and development and finance.
If somebody is put in a position where they're not qualified for that, what are the implications on the decisions that they make?
It has a trickle-down effect, guys, because often in these giant conglomerates of companies and the government itself, minor decisions have giant butterfly effects that create massive impacts here.
So these people can make a knee-jerk reaction.
They don't know what happened and what it leads to.
They don't think about, okay, this is where the trail ends, right?
They just say, well, this is what I think.
And they're not even qualified for that.
So do you see how this is all coming together?
Do you see the bigger argument?
Do you see the fact that not enough shows and people are talking about these things that are the layer deeper?
This is why the deep dive is important, guys.
This is why it's important for you guys to tune in every single Sunday because we want to highlight these things.
When I talk about Apollo Group, it's not one person making a decision in a vacuum.
It's normally a board.
It's normally a group of decisions.
Like as a board of directors, when I'm doing business with my co-founders, investors, those types of things, I'm not making unilateral decisions.
But here's the important part that you do need to know.
If you are at a higher seat and you are important, your voice carries weight.
Just suggestion alone has a psychological impact in which it makes you make decisions you thought that were your own.
So for example, super far off, but when Bush went to go invade Afghanistan, or was it Iraq?
I'm sorry, I get these things confused sometimes.
He had people that didn't pull the trigger as far as making the decision, but he had the guy that was there was like, well, sir, they have weapons of mass destruction.
You need to go in there and you need to make these decisions.
His voice carried weight.
And Bush talks about how those things stuck with him when he made those decisions.
If you're watching this right now and you're excited about this, you're interested in it, you're angry, whatever.
If this elicits a strong emotion in you, that's a good thing because it elicits a strong emotion in us.
Whenever we go through this information, we are shocked and appalled at the level and the scale of the fraud and abuse, right?
And on InfoWars on Friday, we're going to be talking to Simon Dixon, one of the leading people, exposing like global transnational capital interests and really how the money works, how it flows, how these companies really control everything.
Like you say, how it really is all corporations doing it.
But basically, the whole thing is you just need to understand the psychology and how those things work.
And it's very, everything's transferable.
And by the way, I don't talk about a lot of these things, but I also deal with a lot of people who deal with people at a high level and they also have these conversations.
And the reason why we talk about this particular issue, why we're going to keep talking about this particular issue, is because everything else is downstream of this, right?
And this is where all the money, power, and influence comes from, right?
But like, they won't tell you the connection that actually happens that actually impacts your life because that's actually my primary mission is to not like just wake people up, people.
You got to wake up.
There's pedophiles.
It's like, okay, how are these things connected?
Because something has an indirect relationship and we're all focusing on the wrong thing.
My whole point is to focus you on where it actually is happening and where the divisions happen.
Well, I just had a thought that occurred to me, right?
You know, like one of the conspiracy theories is like they have the cure for cancer, but if they cure cancer, they lose a bunch of money and you can make more money treating something than curing it, blah, blah, blah.
I think the same is true of media, right?
I think a lot of these people, they don't actually want solutions.
They just want something else to talk about, you know, the next day, the next day, the next soap opera, and you name it.
There's more money in treating something than actually providing a solution to it.
I could be the Candace Owens, but I could blend it a little bit with like a hint of racism, say a bunch of negative things about black people, and I'll be trending like next week.
I just got to say the hard R.
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I just got to go out there and just say, you know, black people, all those types of things.
So, I'll rather do the slow burn of keeping my morals, keeping my values, keeping my conscience together to where, like, I have where I stick to my guns and know, like, okay, this is what I actually truly believe in instead of selling my soul.
We would much rather have 100,000 great, phenomenal people that are here to learn and are here at Billy Community together versus like having a couple million people that vaguely know of us or trying to grift off of.
That's not what the show is about.
The show is about us all becoming better people together and learning more together.
And I know coming up on episode 50, that'll be Thursday, you won't want to miss that episode 50.
I know I've grown a lot.
I know you probably have grown a lot too.
We want to thank people that have been there from the beginning as well.
It's awesome that new people are joining.
We encourage new people to subscribe and check us out to follow Truism Tim and Gray Area Talks on X, but also to the people that have been here since the beginning.
So, just to finalize this whole thing, we are live every single Tuesday.
I'm sorry, every single Thursday, every single Sunday.
Sunday is a special segment.
You are going to get my deep dive of some sort, and you're going to get a guest of some sort that has great information that you didn't know.
Sometimes it's in the middle of the week, but you're going to guarantee on Sunday there's going to be somebody who's going to give you a different perspective.
Okay.
Those are the days.
If you don't watch them on Thursday, definitely tune in on Sunday.
Catch us on Friday.
Don't miss it.
It's at 4 o'clock p.m.
I expect to see every one of you guys on InfoWars watching that live.
And if you haven't seen it already, if you're enjoying tonight's broadcast and you really want to get next-level download, go watch our Simon Dixon interview.
And that's on YouTube and on Rumble.
That's posted.
You'll be able to find it.
His name's in the title.
Wow.
When that guy comes on InfoWars, we're going to elevate it to the next level.