Tim Tompkins and Rex Jones examine a $5M defamation lawsuit against Elijah Schaeffer, alleging ties to Israel’s Mossad via Kash Patel’s girlfriend, Alexis Wilkins, while questioning frivolous legal tactics mirroring Alex Jones’ cases. They critique the Senate’s $55B GDP-losing shutdown bill, deferring Obamacare debates until December, and warn of long-term aviation disruptions from unpaid federal workers. Debating 50-year mortgages and H-1B visas, they clash over immigration as cultural vs. demographic warfare, with Rex Jones defending Trump’s DEI rollback but calling $170B Ukraine aid wasteful, fueled by corporate interests like BlackRock. The episode ties elite manipulation to systemic decline, suggesting unrest may force change before it’s too late. [Automatically generated summary]
You know, when I initially saw it, it was on my ex-feed.
That's where I found out about all this.
And it was Kash Patel's girlfriend sues Eliza Schaefer, and he does the Rift TV.
He's like a right-wing pundit/slash activist.
He's been around for a while.
He's a good guy, but I thought it was just him.
And then come to find out later, it's not only him, but it's also Kyle Serafin and then one other guy.
And Kyle Serafin is like my dad's go-to guest for the show.
Like they love talking to each other.
He's an FBI whistleblower, really good communicator, really solid on a lot of issues and like stood tall when he needed to.
And apparently he's been sued for $5 million too.
And, you know, the thing that interests me about this whole story, Tim, is just the parallel in the sense of dealing with civil court between this and our case, right?
You have someone that sues you and like, where are the damages that they're suing you for?
But they still sue you for this crazy amount of money.
Well, I mean, obviously lawyers always get like 30, 40%, but she's suing and she's saying you cannot say anything bad about me or that I might be something.
And, you know, it makes a lot of sense that to me, I look at the situation where Trump could easily step in.
The DOJ, the FBI, they funded lawsuits against us.
That renders them invalid.
And really, they should have to pay us damages.
They should have to pay free speech systems, otherwise known as Infowars.
They should have to pay them damages.
But watching this, I mean, that precedent is just so strong and so good that if someone says something that hurts the feelings really, really bad, you get to come in and take their whole company.
So why does Kash Patel's girlfriend want to silence me?
Well, it comes down to the lawsuit itself.
Before anyone jumps to conclusions and says, well, don't say that she's a honeypot.
I'd like to say, I never did.
I never would.
I never felt like suggesting that.
I never even suggested that in my own head.
So why am I being sued for something I never did?
To give proof of that in section 14 of the lawsuit, it states, while the defendant may not have included any caption to spell out the meaning of his post, he didn't have to.
Ever since Kash Patel was appointed director of the FBI in February of 2025, the conspiratorial corners of the internet and social media have been spreading false narratives about Miss Wilkins as an Israeli massad agent spy or quote honeypot who is only in the relationship with Kash Patel to spy on and manipulate the United States government.
Defendant's wordless reply, it goes on to say.
So to clarify, before we go any further, if you post a public photo of a government.
And I don't trust ChatGPT necessarily, but it just told me that she's not an Israeli citizen and that there's no credible claim of her citizenship and that in the lawsuit, she states that she's from here and XYZ and all that type of stuff.
But, you know, the thing going around that I've seen, I've seen it since Kash Patel was confirmed to be FBI director was this little screen grab of like her Prager U profile.
And on it, it said like, like a veteran of like unit 8200.
Now, that may be fake.
And you know what?
All that'll come out in discovery.
That is the great thing about court is that we'll get to see a lot of this stuff when this actually goes through.
Of course, it'll be in years because that's how this works also, is they keep you in court for years.
And to me, that's the most damaging thing that's going to come out of all this.
Elijah is now not just going to have to worry about growing the rift and building his operation up.
He's going to have to deal with the lawsuit.
And I've seen the kind of toll that takes on a guy.
That's actually, you know, that's one of the reasons why people immediately go to suing, especially if you have money and you want to attack somebody who doesn't have money.
And you may, even if you don't have enough on them, you have just enough to pull them.
Yeah, you can just hurt them just enough by how much they have to pay in legal fees to defend themselves.
You almost get the point across.
That's why I think I saw something like Chase said.
If you like basically, if you don't, I'm losing my train of thought.
If you don't win a case or you get proven that your defamation is false, I mean, he went to the extreme.
He said they should get death penalty.
But in this circumstance, I think there needs to be a penalty for, you know, if you are suing somebody, you lose the case or it's very clear that you didn't have.
I would think it would be to raise the burden of proof a little bit.
That would be what I would like to see, but we're never going to see that happen.
I mean, the civil court system is really broken.
It may even be more broken than the criminal courts just because of, you know, how frivolous they're able to be with the preponderance of evidence standard and all of that.
But let's keep watching the clip and learn more about the story.
Official and his romantic partner, who he's not married to, very important talks about you as a private citizen or a member of the press can be bankrupted, have your entire company shut down or completely mock, slandered, and dragged through lawfare because of what?
Because of your First Amendment protected rights.
Now, I believe that this lawsuit is not only an attack on our First Amendment and our constitutional rights given to us by God, but I believe this is also a violation of slap ordinances.
This seems to be a proxy lawsuit, if anything, from Kash Patel himself.
And I have the evidence to prove it.
We'll start here by talking about what is this lawsuit about and why is it so concerning?
As I just read in the previous section, Alexis Wilkins states that I never said anything about her being a massage agent.
So how am I being sued for saying anything about that?
Considering I'm being sued for things I didn't say?
Yeah, you heard that right.
They're suing me for the implications based upon previous posts I had made on my ex account, not about Alexis, not about cash, but about the state of Israel.
It was never about trying to get anything out of him.
It's about making an example out of the person so then he could point to the person like this guy who's a rising figure in alternative media and go, hey, you want to build your own operation?
You want to do all this?
That's great.
But if you ever come against us or criticize us anyway, we're going to get you just like we got him.
Whenever this court thing happens, what they're going to do is they'll wheel in one or two tweets of you talking about Alexis or retweeting it or whatever.
But before they show that, before they show like the scraps they have on you of you maybe talking about her one time, which last time I checked is not defamation.
It's not crime.
It's not illegal.
They will instead wheel in probably like 300 tweets of this guy talking bad about Israel, probably to like the most like Jewish judge possible.
And then you're found liable, buddy.
You're going to have to pay the 5 million because you're a bad guy.
Well, I think the idea of defamation in general, and I'm not saying pertaining to just this case, but in general, if a person has the ability to have a big enough microphone, it can be considered as defamation because you have enough of an impact on the outside.
I was gonna say, there has to be something tied to it where like you lost an opportunity, you know, like, uh, you know, let's say like you're Kanye and you're sorry, I saw posts where you might be an agent and I just can't have cash work for me anymore.
Oh, yeah, so I told you she's like, Daddy, help me.
Yeah, yep, yeah, come on.
At the point at which you have those levels of connection, and that is your boyfriend, best believe she's going to ask him for help and damsel in distress, right?
Defendant Kyle Serafin has maliciously lied about Alexis Wilkins, falsely asserting that she, an American-born country singer.
Okay, she asserts that is an agent of foreign government assigned to manipulate and compromise the director of the FBI.
Defendant, a former FBI special agent himself, who's now making a living as a podcaster and political commentator, profiting on controversy, controversy, and outrage.
See, they don't have a problem with it when Benny Johnson is doing it or when DC Draino is doing it or when like Insurrection Barbie is doing it.
They don't have a problem with these people causing storms on Twitter and saying crazy things about like minority law at the fluff that this has created.
And see, that's the beauty of the system is these people, they're the lawyers that run the country.
So essentially, when you're the lawyers that run the country, you either know the politicians because you went to school with them or you work with or or you have them work for you.
And that's like when you have the money, these people, when you go to become the president of the United States or a senator or a congressman, you don't go and like, I'm an astronaut.
I'm a firefighter.
I want to be, I want to be a congressman or a senator.
No, you go to a law school, you meet the right people, you figure out how to navigate the political system.
Good looking guy, girl, good head on your shoulders.
And these same people that are in the political office are the people that are in the law firms.
And it's all one big club.
You're not in it.
And they know how to say, hey, like, we got just enough meat on the hook here that we can take this to court and make it horribly ugly for four or five years and just kill this person.
The law firm that sued Trump, they got hit with like a $40 million penalty.
And I don't have that good a memory.
So I can't recall the exact name of the firm.
They got hit with a $40 million penalty.
They expensed a lot of that money as like pro bono work to like charitable causes, suing us.
Because like that's a charity, you see, to the Sandy Hook families who won a lawsuit for $73 million against Remington, who all has more money than we did.
But see, it's charity to help them, but it's not even real.
It's a completely fake story.
Absurd on its face, but they're able to go walk that up to a judge who's on the team, you know, on the good side.
And the judge goes, Okay, yeah, we're gonna, let's do this.
People who just like the mafia drinks, you know, yeah, it's literally, it's, it's the, it's the mafia, and that's how it works in this country.
And when people think about organized crime, they think about like a gang member with like, oh, no, not even like, I got a switch, bro, like, or something like that.
They think about like, you know, like people like MS-13 or something.
They think about this, just in like the modern era, right?
What the real organized crime and crime is in the country is these bureaucrat class people that have these law degrees or PhDs and they're in the halls and positions of power or they have all the money and they know everyone.
And then they can just break the law by using the legal system to break people.
Because who do you go to when the state has it in for you?
And the only time that the people get prosecuted is when the situation is bad enough that the public knows about it, that you just have no choice but to take care of the situation because then you'll topple the whole house of cards at that point.
I will say, though, I would rather take even the somewhat dysfunctional system that we have now than live in another, than live in another country that doesn't even have these in place.
There are certain countries that don't even have even like a sense of a judicial system or just bureaucracy or a system that we're like, you and I know that you're not just going to go out there, clock me in the face because I can sue you for that.
Right.
But like there's other countries where it's like, well, you know, if that happens, you, you got to take that outside and take care of that.
Or there's such a backlog of cases for specific things that you can't get through the system in order to actually get the justice you need.
So I'll say I would rather take, you know, the somewhat dysfunctional, but I think it still is functional when it doesn't come to defamation.
But in general, I would still take this over some of the other countries.
I would take it over all the other countries basically on the planet, because if you look at it, America was this place that revolutionized governmental systems across the world.
Right.
And everyone kind of tried to imitate our thing after we showed that, hey, like having a king is maybe not the best idea.
So we imported, especially after the world wars, we imported a lot of our culture all over the world.
Right.
And these other countries like the UK, like other places like that, that Australia, Western countries, you call them Western, but they've had these crazy free speech crackdowns and censorship law and police brutality and all sorts of stuff like this.
We were supposed to be the example to those people.
We were supposed to tell those people to stop it, but we've fallen so much here.
It's gotten so bad.
If we don't fix it here, like we have to fix it here.
I guess we agree on this, right?
We have to, and that's what we can't be Black Bill.
It's just when the system's broken on so many levels, this is how these people make money.
The lawyer makes like 40% of the purse, basically.
That becomes like, okay, now we can make money off of that because we've basically made it clear that if you don't like what somebody says, go and sue them.
The bureaucratic class, the fourth branch of government that actually runs the country.
We're just going to sue these people forever.
We're going to keep riding it until the wheels fall off.
No one's ever going to be able to stop us.
And look, no one ever will.
And the thing that's so important about the Alex Jones precedent and what was said against us is you can just render them guilty by default if they don't give you all the evidence that you that you demand that they give you that doesn't exist.
They requested like 13 million documents and all sorts.
They give you an impossible task and then say, okay, you're in default judgment.
You owe a gazillion dollars.
I'm sadly pretty certain that they're going to do the same thing to Elijah and that it's really going to hurt his operation.
And I pray for his operation.
I want his operation to do great.
He doesn't deserve this.
But unfortunately, you can't fight these people.
And even my dad, who was selling, you know, tens of millions of dollars a year in supplements, all that went into legal bills.
I just went into that, but we'll go into it again.
But just to be clear, just to finish the point I'm making here, the thing that was really screwed up about our trial, besides the Sandy hook and all this stuff, if you just step away from it from a sec for a second, they had a guy go on the stage and say my dad personally was worth $300 million.
My dad's never had $10 million, right?
Probably had more than five, never had 10.
And the thing is, when you say that sort of thing and the person is in default and they're not allowed to defend themselves, present their tax returns or their financial information, you have the jury there.
So it's still a jury trial.
The jury's going to rule based off that number.
And we were never allowed to financially defend ourselves with the actual documents.
So that's what was screwed up about our case.
And that's the hill I will die on.
And to talk about your point, like what does being put in default mean?
They requested, I believe it was like 13 million emails from us and all sorts of other things like this that are basically impossible to find within like a very short, like two-week time period.
So it's funny, though, that even after they declare that you're liable or guilty, liable in a civil sense, they then go and say, but you still get to have the jury trial to decide just how guilty you are.
Yeah.
Like at the at that point, just like take a long walk off a short cliff because you're cooked anyway, right?
You might as well just end it soon because they're just going to railroad you.
And at the end of the day, I think my dad did really well.
And I think he fought really hard.
And I think InfoWars and everyone in the crew fought really hard.
And we basically got the absolute best case scenario out of any type of situation like this.
And it was only because of the size of the operation and the skill of the people working there.
I'm not sure Elijah has the same assets as a skill side, of course, but on the sheer size, a lot of Infowars got burned off.
Talk about the psychological impact because the thing is, is when you're going into these trials, it can't be an easy process to be defending yourself or something.
But really quick, if you were at the airport and you were experiencing, you know, like a 12-hour, a 12-hour wait for a flight that was supposed to be there because our government shut down, the air traffic controllers aren't getting paid.
So they left and you're down the dumps and you're angry and you're mad and you're like, dang, I missed my flight.
They're not going to send another one for like half a day.
You're telling me if she gets up to the mic and starts singing the national anthem, there's not going to be a smile on your face praising Donald Trump and thanking your country.
Because at the end of the day, most of the issues are caused that somebody got, somebody committed a crime, they got angry, they got upset, they retaliated, and then it's just a nice little cycle.
Technically, if you want to look at it, and I'm not defending this guy by any means, he was a murderer, but like this would be kind of what you would have to do in order to stop that negative feedback loop of the killing.
I mean, but like, I didn't think they were going to bring him onto American soil and do that.
You could still do that from all the way across the world.
Could you imagine, though, like during the time where like he's fighting America, the type of conversations he would have about America and what he felt and his true intentions about it?
Just keep talking for just no, but it just, it just blows my mind that it only took, you know, 25 years for America to get amnesia about everything that happened.
Because here's the thing.
If you go back to 2001, this is one of those things that like, if you were to ask a typical American of that time, or even if you go to like 2005, they'd be like, this would be unspeakable.
There's no way we would do something like this.
But then, you know, fast forward 25 years, this is what we have.
We completely forgot about everything that happened.
And who even knows what his true intentions are at the end of the day?
So this one's going to be about the government shutdown.
As you guys know, and I'm sure you guys have seen the news.
We are ending the government shutdown tentatively.
Everything has not been passed yet as of right now.
Only thing that has been passed right now is the Senate.
So let me give you a quick overview.
So 43 days.
That's how long this shutdown has lasted.
Technically, even if they take a couple more days, this might turn out to be like 45 days.
Still a longest shutdown by far.
And then you need the 60-40 vote.
They basically convinced eight Democrats to move over and basically vote on this issue to vote in favor of what the Republicans wanted of this new bill.
And you know what's crazy?
The Democrats are pissed.
The ones that were like really true and blue, they didn't like this at all, guys.
Department of Agriculture and the FDA ensuring food inspections, farm programs, and nutrition remain stable.
You've got legislative branch.
So they're keeping Congress fully operational until the next fiscal year.
And then there's also several worker protections and stabilizers.
So you've got like the back pay for unemployed, I mean, for the unemployed federal employees.
You've got the ban on mass layoffs by federal agencies.
And then you've got reimbursement of the states who had been paying into these programs.
And then you also had additional money for the Indian health services and security upgrades for Congress and the federal courts.
Now, the biggest sticking point of this entire thing, and we broke it down on the last episode, it was Obamacare.
Okay.
For people who need a slight refresher, I won't dive very deep into this, but essentially the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, same thing.
It all came down to one thing, and it was the Republicans wanted to go back to the old way Obamacare used to function.
In the old way, there was a cliff in which certain amount of people, as soon as you made over a certain amount of money, threshold, even a dollar after, you completely lost the benefits.
Democrats wanted to keep the new version that Biden had moved into in 2021 and was set to expire in 2025.
And that new spending bill basically created no cliff at that time period.
And people were getting subsidies to help pay for the medical, their medical care.
And that's kind of the gist of what was happening.
But the whole thing was, is they were like, that's actually the reason why those eight Democrats moved over because they were like, dude, they're not going to vote on this.
So yes, we had shut down 10% of the air travel at the biggest 40 major airports.
Luckily, Austin wasn't affected, but even if you have a layover, you'll still be affected, even if you go through like Atlanta or you go through Dallas.
But overall, what he said at the end is super important, guys.
Just because they've made a deal now and they've passed this resolution does not mean that the issue is over.
Because when you have a guy that retires, he's gone.
That doesn't mean he's coming back.
That means I'm going to go take my pension.
I'm going to go relax because I don't want to have to deal with that.
And a TSA controller, it takes a while to train these people.
Guys, you're talking about one of the most critical jobs in the United States that requires a lot of diligence, a lot of focus, a lot of concentration.
And imagine trying to do that job while you know you're not getting your money and you're not even being able to support your family and you're stressed out and you're hearing all these things on the news.
And do we want those people to be in that position?
The people that control where the planes land and where they take off in the airspace and all that.
No, we don't want those people to be stressed out.
And it's so stupid to me that we've entered into a realm of such degradation with our technology that we're like, hey, we don't have people to run this, people that are qualified are quitting.
What are we going to do about it?
You know, like, we're going to figure it out.
We're not even going to pay them.
You know, like, like, it should be a matter of national security.
To me, I was thinking, and like, obviously, this isn't what we want, but shouldn't the military, you know, be involved at a certain level or what do you mean?
National Guard?
I mean, like, you're going to need skilled engineer technician type people, right?
You know, even before this, the industry on the air traffic controllers was already strained as it was because those guys go through a high level of stress.
And if you guys have noticed, the delays have been increasing across the board.
I don't know when the last time you flown out, but in general, there's November.
In general, the whole ecosystem of transportation and especially the aviation, tons of issues have been going on there with delays and things like that.
And it's because there's so much traffic and you're not increasing the capacity to handle all that traffic.
But the reason why they passed this bill was literally not because of the snap benefits, because people were starving.
It was literally because of this was the number one issue.
It was the fact that you had a lot of people that were getting really pissed off and you were starting to affect not just average people.
Under the 2019 law, workers who miss paychecks during a lapse in federal funding must be paid retroactively as soon as the shutdown ends.
So they get the big pay chunk right there.
And then it directs agencies to issue back pay at the earliest date possible, absolute lapse and appropriations ends, regardless of how scheduled pay or scheduled pay dates.
That's what happened after the 2018 to 19 shutdown and prior shutdowns.
Back pay has been paid at the earliest date possible after appropriations have been passed, regardless of scheduled pay dates.
But it depends on, I know Texas is one of the ones that's going on the faster side to get these reinstated to people.
But ultimately, snap benefits are going to come through.
I know there was that whole thing going back between the Supreme Court and the partial payments and all that stuff that was going to be put through the court system and the judicial branch going back and forth.
But again, going back to the macro level argument, January 30th, this same issue will come up.
And even before then, they are going to have to debate about this two weeks into December.
That's just a month from now.
Now, Rex, do you think our politicians are going to be able to get their act together?
No, I think they're going to go on Christmas vacation and it'll still be unsolved.
And then we'll come back this again in the new year.
We're seeing the added thing of the subsidies being taken away on the Obamacare front.
So it'll be a giant, huge mess.
And, you know, I think it really bodes poorly for the Trump administration because, you know, you can say it's only, he's only been there a little while.
You got to give him a chance.
Come on.
Come on.
But it's been a year and the wars are getting out of control.
The inflation is getting out of control.
And now the government itself is shutting down because, you know, the money printer, they're having to run it for all these things like Ukraine, all these things that we're having to pay for overseas in our military to boot.
And they're going to have to find some more cash, right?
I am pretty big on real estate, but when it comes down to this, and the best, the very best.
Best properties.
Now, me and my business partner, we definitely have some opposing views in certain aspects to this 50-year.
If you're an investor, it makes a little bit more sense in the way that he broke it down for me.
It made sense.
Like, if you were to get a 50-year loan, let's say as an investor, it would make your monthly payment lower in theory, right?
And technically, you have an appreciating asset, which would be increasing over time, even though technically you're paying debt, but somebody's paying your mortgage and paying your rent anyways, right?
When you increase it to 50 years, what ends up happening is that loan becomes more risky.
And the reason why it becomes more risky is because there's a lot more unknown factors.
And the longer you hold on to a debt, the riskier it becomes.
So what people, what mortgage companies do is when you have an increased loan, it typically leads to a larger interest rate because they want to get paid more money up front for having more of a risky loan that lasts longer.
Normally, if you get a 15-year mortgage, you're going to get a lower interest rate than you would as a 30-year.
So I see people making the macro argument as just regular people who are, they're like, oh, well, if I get the same 6.5% loan I have right now, and then I extend it into 50 years, I can technically get a cheaper principal on my mortgage.
Well, that's true if you're saying it's the same 6.5 and 6.5, but imagine that 6.5 becomes 7.5 because that loan is riskier.
Now you've increased the interest rate and that actually increases your monthly payment.
You could actually be paying the same, if not more potentially, when you go through the specifics of the numbers.
I used to own a vehicle, and then I decided, you know what, I don't want to pay a lump sum, and it makes more strategic for me to have more flexibility.
Exactly, because then you can use that money, you have that capital, you can go invest it rather than just giving it to the bank and having them and basically having it sit in a depreciating asset.
But that's like the entrepreneur, not everybody has to do that way.
The average person is typically just going to go and get a nice little loan.
I'll go to your car dealership right as soon as you're about to sign that paper and slap you silly because you'll be under on that car note by the time you end up paying that.
So he was just playing a clip about a five-minute segment that your dad did the other day talking about how, you know, Trump needs to stop referring to what's happening as the Democrats.
And, you know, we know it's both sides, but them being dumb and it's actually deliberate.
I don't know if you caught that.
And what he was referring to was the fact that we are in end stage capitalism, basically.
Where just like the game Monopoly and they're playing in that video that he was playing of your father, he's going over how your father says that they own about 80%, but that's not enough for them.
They want to own all 100%.
And I think that is something that Elon Musk realized when he was doing Doge, because if you ever listen to the interviews he gives post his Doge experience, he's saying that the only hope is for AI to make us a whole bunch of money so we can pay that debt off.
You know, Steve Bannon has said that he agreed with the economic recovery plan.
However, the point of lowering the tax rates on the billionaire class, and that got me thinking of actually doing that, that theirs should have gone up.
Now, I'm a capitalist across the board, but what we are seeing is not capitalism.
I mean, the level of inflation and a level of you not being able to own anything, you not being able to get out of the rent economy, you never being able to escape that or own a home or yeah, you get a 50-year mortgage.
The thing that really bothers me is that you can be in Austin, you can be driving down South Lamar and you can see someone wearing like, you know, a gadget watch and like AirPods, like the nicest athleisure wear and all that, wearing essentially like a thousand or two thousand dollars on themselves running down the street.
And then a homeless guy is sitting right there with like open wounds festering, bleeding on drugs.
We've hit the AI AI stage and there's more opportunity for us.
We didn't, we, when you were 42, you wanted to go research something.
You didn't have Google.
You know, you didn't have all the internet and you didn't have the resources to just have access to information.
So the part about like, okay, I wouldn't say like, oh, I want to be born 50 years ago because it was actually kind of more difficult if you didn't have access to information to even know where to go invest, where to go buy, where to go actually do the things that it took to get yourself out of whatever lower in class and income situation that you were in.
But now people are running into the issue where they're like, well, I need extra money in order to actually invest.
My whole thing is, is like at this point, and we'll come back to you in a second.
I just want to make this very clear.
One of the reasons why, you know, it took me a lot of inertia to get to where I am in my life today.
And I'm very grateful for all the opportunities, but I had to do some really unorthodox things that I probably wouldn't have to do back in the day.
When I graduated, I didn't take a job in the East Coast because I knew my cost of living was going to be way too high.
I moved into the middle of Kansas, got a job that paid me the same as East Coast, offset my cost of living.
I worked an engineering job and I worked as a server on the weekends.
And on Fridays, I worked literally 17-hour days.
If you don't believe me, go ask my family, go ask my coworkers.
They knew I was working 80-hour weeks in order to pay off my student debt in order to even afford to invest in my first property.
And here's the thing: I only had the ability to do that because I'm young, I have the energy, I don't have any kids, and I don't have any, you know, anything tying any knowledge of how to use the societal system.
And I also had some people that were giving me good advice.
Now, not everybody has the perfect equation.
Now, if I had a kid or if I had two kids or I had a wife or I had specific obligations, first equation doesn't happen.
I'm not moving all the way to Kansas because my whole family and everybody exists in, and not everybody can take that leap.
So I don't expect the average person to go out there and take the most drastic steps when they've already had a certain baseline level that makes it more difficult.
And they're not the single male that can just go and play GTA on free free agent mode.
And I think, and we want to get back to the caller owl killer here in a second.
I think we think about this and me too.
Like, like I have some country experience, but we're suburban people, you know, at the end of the day, right?
I wouldn't call myself a city person, but I'm definitely like a suburbian person.
Like I've lived in neighborhoods for most of my life, right?
And you go out to the country and you see how people live in these towns that people forgot.
And the only option is like Jack in the Box, McDonald's, Dairy Queen, and Dollar Tree.
Like this is all you have access to.
You're out in the absolute middle of nowhere.
And a lot of the country, like 30, 40% of that country is in that situation.
They're all spread out over America.
And your bills just keep going up for energy, electricity, gas, insurance, food, anything you can think of.
The bill is just going up year after year after year.
And you talk about, you know, hustling and working really hard and working 80-hour weeks and just figuring a way out for upward mobility.
These people, they don't have the concept of that.
It is literally a world that is frozen in time.
It is so weird to go out to the American or especially to the Texan countryside and you see places that used to be, you know, just tightened industry, just dead.
And you're like, huh, like, what happened here?
Well, it's very simple.
It got more costly to live in the country.
It got more easy to sell your farm off to, you know, a big corporation that would just get rid of you because you're competition.
And it became easy for city people to go, hey, our money's worth a lot more there than it is here.
Like the issue is that there is nobody offering a solution.
Back in the, in the, when the renaissance happened in Europe, the wealthy, the, the, the wealthy doubled down on humanity and they funded libraries and they funded infrastructure and they funded um schools.
Even the Rockefellers funded projects in the United States.
You know, like one of the reasons they don't like Trump is because Trump is a builder.
Somebody like a Michael Bloomberg or an app or a Jeff Bezos or a Zuckerberg, they don't produce a product.
It's like they're living in a virtual reality where the money just like it's just a computer entry.
And all I see the people in upper society doing is sucking money out of basically away from the people.
I just saw something with United Airlines where they're firing like 20% of their work.
I'm pretty sure it's United Airlines, but they're firing like 20% of their workforce.
And they're hiring people in India to work the phones.
So the point with that is the bill, the people with the money are not doubling down on us.
It's like they have given up.
And like they, they know what's coming.
It's the same reason why China, they're in a worse financial situation than we are, but they keep printing money and they keep making things and they keep going because they know they're.
What everybody's playing for now is who is going to come out as the new global leader once, whatever happens 100 worldwide crash or a world war, it's.
It's basically that.
That's why.
That's why they don't care about running up our national.
I want to not discredit what you're saying as, as far as builder, you did say like yes, Trump is a builder, but then we're talking about Zuckerberg, Bezos and some of these other people.
But here's the thing, the value of a company like Amazon, the value of something like you know Uh Altman, and and what he did with OPEN Ai.
Those can't be discredited.
Those are maybe not be physical, tangible items, but they have dramatically changed the way in which we operate our day-to-day lives.
Now, for example Amazon, I know back in the day, and you're old enough to also realize back in the day, when it came down to ordering something before Amazon.
Good luck if you thought that was going to come next day.
You're looking at, I remember you're looking at like a week plus.
Maybe you're not really having the best tracking in the world.
You're just kind of hoping that that that shows up to your door and uh, let's hope for the best.
What Amazon did by providing products from around the world and giving us access to stuff that we don't have to leave our house for.
That's one of those things though, that when it stops coming, you know whenever things really get bad that, like we have so many creature comforts, we can do whatever we want.
But I also see his point as Trump being someone who is involved in physical, tangible products where he saw something physically get built and that culture being important.
Like, I don't, you know, I just want to bring this to everybody's attention and remind everybody the way that Trump's been portrayed is as like a, you know, a bashing against the left.
But let's not forget that up until 2015, I believe, he was a registered Democrat.
No, it's all, I'm not trying to step on your point.
I'll let you continue, but like, this is just what I keep saying every show is like the level of grifting, even these new scams they produce, like the 15-year car payment and then the 50-year mortgage.
Like Tim gave the explanation, hey, maybe it makes sense for business, right?
All these things make sense for people that know how to use the system.
It's just the average American, the person that gets screwed, they trust Trump when he comes out and says, hey, I got this new magical thing that's going to be great for you when it has no material benefit to their life.
I mean, has there been a single policy besides maybe freeing the Jan 6 people that has improved people's lives?
That billboard, that billboard that was shared at the beginning where it said, make Israel great, man, he is the greatest president Israel has ever seen.
I mean, all these people, all the elites, eventually, when that Great Depression does happen, you're going to see a lot of this permanent political class be like, hey, we did all we could.
I voted for kicking out people who were criminals, which he was doing, which he is continuously doing.
I voted for kicking out people who did not have America's best interest.
And I agree with those things.
The only thing about the immigration thing that I am not really a fan of is when we go after the kids and then when we go after international people that are like the intellectual people that we need, that pay lots of people still getting.
I want V. Like I don't see why we have to attack the H1.
There's so many more issues that we have besides attacking H-1B.
I know you guys are gonna clean me up, but here's the thing, I would rather have the intelligence of the smartest people around the world coming here rather than them just going to their own country and building that stuff there.
We are a product of international cooperation and having the brightest minds here.
There is a direct correlation between the mass immigration that's happened over the past decade to decade and a half and political and regional instability.
There is.
I mean, you know, everybody talked about we're bringing the best and brightest.
We're not talking about are the gaps in the education.
This is the macro argument here, right?
If there is an equivalent American to replace the equivalent job, or we're a meritocracy when it comes down to whoever's the most qualified applicant, we have a gap when it comes to STEM.
Okay.
Even in school, the typical person who was like going for the engineering degree and the person who was, you know, going to do the doctor, it was more often like the Asian parents that were like pushing their kids to do that because it's within the culture.
Americans tell their, and I'm, I'm, I'm super pro-America, but I'm just saying there's a gap.
You have to go and take a step back and be like, okay, we've got to teach our kids the right thing.
There is a gap in the amount of Americans that want to go do really hard jobs like software engineering and those things.
That's why we have created the funnel to bring other people in.
Because in India and in China, when you're like five years old, they immediately tell you, look, you're not going for this little art history degree.
You're not going for English major.
Yeah, you're doing doctor or you're going to be an engineer or you're going to be something that contributes to society.
And that has been a generational thing that they have passed through the lineage.
Here, if Jimmy wants to go and study underwater basket weaving, Jimmy gets to go study underwater basket weaving for fucking $200,000.
At the core of this argument, and this is why you're never going to agree with New Greuper and New Groiper is never going to agree with you.
This is a demographics problem at the end of the day.
And for people like Nagroiper, and I would argue myself to a certain extent, the vast makeover and change of the country that we're told is good just because it is good and we need to have the best people here, but all the people need to be here.
The argument that New Groiper is making is he goes, look, I see 20 million people come over the border illegally.
I see 600,000 students come over here legally and then the visa programs and the whatnot.
I don't want any of it because the way I've seen it, my country has changed not for the better, not for the people that lived here.
And the solution that we're getting from the government is, hey, the economy sucks.
No one wants to do these jobs.
Why don't we just bring people here that will?
Instead of encouraging the American people, instead of helping them, we just outsource it domestically instead of internationally.
We bring the people here instead of paying them over there.
I mean, we, you know, the British kind of laid some found work, but America, like the computer, the internet, like all the modern things that we've seen were built by Americans in America.
And I don't think that the intellect, like our IQ just dropped by 15 or 20.
I think that we still have that IQ, but I think we're being artificially suppressed.
And it's like, you know, I work, I work in fintech.
And I can tell you this, and this is going to be unpopular.
I deal with a lot of H-1B workers, particularly from India.
They cannot physically do the work.
Like, I'm just speaking from my own field.
It is extreme.
First of all, you can't communicate with them.
Second of all, they struggle to understand the basic concepts and how to do the job to the point where everybody's frustrated.
But the company that I work for, which is really big, gets incentivized to hire foreigners.
And so they do over Americans.
And every year they lay off thousands of Americans.
And then at the beginning of the year, after, you know, after the quarter ends, at the beginning of this next quarter, they go and hire a bunch of Indian people every single time.
I agree with the standpoint of when you have like those tiered jobs that are like, especially like customer service being kicked out to, you know, outsourced to.
I mean, it's AI, but it hasn't caught up yet.
And Amazon, all of their people are like international and you can no longer talk to American over the phone.
Super frustrating.
Sure, there would be somebody who would take that job.
Those are the scenarios.
Like I said, everything is tiered.
I'm not saying this is a black or white thing.
It is a gray area thing where you have where you're, what you're going to is from one extreme where the companies just decide, all right, well, we found this is completely cheaper and we just take it to the extreme and just fire a bunch of Americans and replace them.
And then your other counterpoint is like, okay, well, just kick them all out, right?
No, the real happy medium is a mixing of the two ideas.
The people we need are the brightest software engineers in the very high skill labor class, right?
I'm talking about those gaps.
I'm not talking about, you know, the, I know you talked about fintech, but I'm saying, like, I know a ton of elite coders that come from overseas and they run circles around people who code here and they create amazing technology here.
And it's part of the reason why we're talking about the future.
So here, here's the problem with H-1B and why the Republicans and some of these other groups have gone and attacked that specific program.
There has been a grifting that has happened on a macro level with the lottery system to where they've created the lottery system's a mess.
It needs to be fixed.
Okay.
That part is very clear.
The problem, what was happening with the Indian H-1B is like a majority of H-1B holders are India and they come from India.
And the thing is, what ended up happening is you have these organizations that are overseas that basically are in charge of finding specific people that would go and take a particular job here in America for a lot less money than the American worker here.
I don't agree with that type of practice.
What I do is the meritocracy practice where you have the same two people competing for the same job and whoever better at the job should get the job, but at the same time, holding that placeholder for the American who like it half-ass is not going to work as hard.
Well, I think that's, I think that's generally a straw man in the sense of when it comes to American workers.
Most of them, the most American workers I know, both of all levels, they work hard.
I think like the whole problem that we have is, and this is a point I posed, if these people are so smart and so much better than us, why can they not build industries in their own nation?
I've got to make this clear because I inform myself on these.
That was one Indian, that was one Indian place where a specific group of population of like 500,000 Indian out of the billion, those were the people that practiced it.
People talk about Jewish people, international Jewry, like Nick Fuentes does.
At the core of the issue that he's talking about, he goes, look, these people are highly coordinated.
They identify with being in their ethnic group and they're working to advance their ethnic group, not necessarily the nation that they're in.
And I can understand that.
I think that's not true for all groups of people.
But I do think specifically, like you have a bunch of people come over here from China, 600,000 people come over here from China, oh, to learn, to study, to integrate, blah, Are those people going to be more loyal to America or to the People's Republic of China?
Yes, this is where it comes down to the macro level argument.
It is about legal immigration for the people who want to come here, who have not the same opportunities.
Because here's the thing, starting a business in the Philippines is not the equivalency of starting a business here.
Starting a business in Britain, for example, is actually harder.
Even in Germany, it is harder for you to do the same things that it's here because they've already, you know, I get that, but at the same time, as America, that's not our problem.
My point being is when you were talking about Trump and you were kind of being like, hey, like, we can't just say he's totally bad.
Like, these are things that he's followed through on.
That's what we were talking about as things.
Yeah, that's one of the things he hadn't delivered.
My issue with Trump beyond anything else is I am sick of the death.
I'm sick of looking at Ukraine.
I'm sick of looking at Gaza.
I'm sick of looking at these boats that were just drone striking or helicopter striking or whatever.
And they have the cool words for it and Jesse Waters orgasms about it on Fox News.
That's what I'm upset about.
Beyond financial economics, even demographic stuff, the karma on America of having like 60 plus million aborted fetuses plus all these millions of people that have died in the Middle East and in Eastern Europe now based on conflicts that we've started.
This is what really bothers me.
And you talk about America as being a place that, you know, other people in other countries, they love America more than their own country.
And like they want to come here.
I think that's true.
I actually think that that's a good thing.
I would like to preserve that.
And that's why I would still like some people coming over here because when that's not the case, we're truly fucked.
Well, I mean, it's like, like we can, we can do, we can do all, you know, the immigration, all that stuff.
It's like, I'm not, not saying no immigration ever.
I'm saying immigration can't happen at the detriment of the American people.
It cannot.
Like that, that just can't happen.
And right now, we're in a position where we can't help ourselves.
And with our society being so unstable, adding more people with different cultures and different values to it is kind of like adding more gunpowder to the K. That's about to blow up.
Yeah, no, you know, my whole thing with Trump is he will do everything except what we asked him to do because he got the call to the tune of a quarter of a billion dollars by Miriam Badelson.
And, you know, it's funny how all these other nations are blood and soil nationalist nations, like Ukraine, blood and soil, right?
Oh, we got to help the Ukrainian people for their nation.
Oh, Israel's got to be the Jewish nation of Israel.
We got to make sure they're the Jewish nation of Israel.
But when it comes to America, it's a free-for-all.
And, you know, it's like, let's do everything to help these other people when our people.
are struggling, like genuinely struggling.
And we're not talking about just lazy bums.
We're talking about people who work hard and contribute to society.
And what's going to happen is society will fall because of it.
And eventually there will be a season of civil unrest or spanning maybe the civil war.
And it will be their fault.
And partially our fault because we never held them to a like, why would we expect to hold them accountable now if they haven't held them accountable for at least the past hundred years?
I think the swamp, like the water and the mud in the swamp, I think that's money.
I think that's all the fake money they printed.
It's all the inflation.
And that's what they swim around in, these people.
We talk about the… Yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, we talk about the depression.
We talk about the collapse coming and all this stuff.
That's the drought.
That's what dries up all that water.
I think that's what we need in order for the country to heal.
And I think you think about that analogy, it'll make a little bit of sense because the numbers that we talk about, like 300 billion to Ukraine, a trillion to defense and to the military.
I think the point that the whole system really changes and the America that everybody's talking about, the only version that exists, you know, this third party, it only exists if there's enough, like you said, turmoil.
And I hate the fact that you have to try to speak that.
We have to try to speak that into existence.
But the thing is, is like you kind of have to shake up things in order for people to realize, oh, is it really bad?
Because it's once the once the debt really collapses on us and it starts messing up the average American's life, then it's like, it's kind of like slapping the, it's like slapping the politicians and being like, okay, look, we did something really bad here.
I mean, I think they'll flee the country when it gets to that point.
I mean, and this is the thing.
We criticize Trump.
We criticize Republican Party and the right in general.
The left is generally more mobilized and ready in some sort of like quick collapse situation to try to take over.
And I don't want them in power.
And I don't want them in power either.
So, you know, it's a real catch-22 where you're in a situation where this guy you voted for and you thought was going to do all these great things has really just turned into an enabler for the decline of the system.
And it's really setting up an environment where Americans, they don't research the policies.
They don't really research the candidates.
They live their lives.
And if their lives become easier or more difficult, they vote based on that.
And things have gotten a lot more difficult already with Trump.
And like, we're it's like Trump isn't popular or cool right now.
He's doing a terrible job, in my opinion.
And I think in a lot of Americans' opinions, and he's setting up the country for the leftist surge that I think will happen.
And then whenever these people get in power, they're going to use the executive powers that he developed and Biden developed and Obama developed before him.
And they're going to do the full rollout, man.
It's all going to be there.
So just like, and closing your, what scares you the most about the future?
It's like, as long as the surfaces are running, they don't care.
And by the time they do care, it's going to be far too late to care right.
And so you know like, what like, and the thing like with the politicians.
It's not that we're not, we don't look on the politicians or whatever it's that.
They look us in the eyes and they lie and we have no recourse.
We can't call I don't to my knowledge and correct me if i'm wrong here, guys we can't call snap referendum elections on like executive branch, you know, like the president, the Congress.
No, we don't have that and you're right right, we can't do it for nothing.
And so they, they lie to us on purpose and they and they have for decades and they get away with it, and they get away with it and and then we can't do nothing.
Because here's the thing we, you know, this is, and and some might say i'm fed posting here with this but this is just a concept of, uh, if you talk about physically solving the problem, oh you're, you're a domestic terrorist now, and it's like they've got everybody so spooked to say the you know to say anything about it.
But honestly, like when, it's when I think of, like the things that are good.
That's going to come.
I think the people will rise up and I think we will correct it eventually.
My, my prayer is that we just you know this starts before i'm you know, or soon enough to where i'm not old, too old to you know be safe and handle things during it well, because that's the reality.
People are gonna have to, something's gonna have to happen.
Bye beautiful, all right, so you want to take more calls?
What do you want to do here?
We're at two hours.
You want to do more?
Um, what do you want to do?
We can we, I?
I kind of want to watch this ingrain.
Let's watch it first, because everyone's and and we'll come back to Andrew yeah, and everyone's talking about this and thank you Andrew, for holding so long.
Let's watch a click, a quick clip of this, because everyone's outraged.
And does that mean the H-1b visa thing will not be a big priority for your administration?
Because if you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country with with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of foreign workers also do have to bring in talent.
You can't take people off an unemployment, like an unemployment line, and say, i'm going to put you into a factory, we're going to make missiles, or i'm going to put how did we ever do it before?
In Georgia they raided because they wanted illegal immigrants.
Uh, they had people from from South Korea that made batteries all their lives.
You know, making batteries are very complicated.
It's not an easy thing and very dangerous a lot of explosions, a lot of problems.
They had like five or six hundred people early stages to make batteries and to teach people how to do it.
Well, they wanted them to get out of the country.
You're going to need that law.
I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.
You can't just say uh, a country's coming in, going to invest 10 billion dollars to build a plant and gonna take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked in five years and they're gonna start making their missiles.
And and people think like, okay well, me making this argument means like, oh, I love, I love India oh, i'll love China i'm, i'm a, i'm a seller, It's your position, but the position really is not necessarily going to the extreme and being like, let's bring in 600,000 freaking Chinese immigrants in.
It's just, hey, look, there is a nice sweet spot where we do have a gap.
And we're not going to be able to fill that because we have undereducated people.
And it's going to take a while for us to get to that point where we can actually reprogram an entire generation.
So we already made the mess.
It's not like you can, just like we're talking about the government, you can't just like all of a sudden snap your fingers and the problem disappears with the two-party system.
You know, it's just you got to work with the tools that you have right now.
Well, if I have a single issue, my single issue is just the demographic changes that we're seeing in the country.
I don't know.
Is it that crazy to say you want the nation that you have heritage in and grew up in to remain of the same characteristics as it was before?
Because what we're seeing is that it's rapidly dwindling before our eyes and it's not going to get better on our current track and it's only going to get closer and closer into a hellscape.
So just wanting to kind of like steer away from that as much as possible is, I think, the move.
Okay, well, I was just saying, I was basically just saying that my single issue is demographics.
I, you know, I'm white and I would like the country to stay as white as possible because this, these lineage of people that I came from and that created the country.
And ultimately, when we talk about demographics of the country, like the black population, we're not talking about the black population.
We're talking about the majority Latino population, which will be the case for the United States of America come like the 2050s.
And this is the point.
Would you tell people, I guess you would tell people in France that, hey, you know, your country is going to be Francistan and you're going to have Afghanis and Pakistanis and people from the Middle East.
And, you know, that's cool and that's fine.
And now, like, you know, at the Louvre, you're going to have to put on the hijab.
And here's maybe we can find common ground on this.
In regards to people coming over here that are skilled laborer in like software tech or the STEM field, I can, I can see the argument for it.
Not sure if I agree or disagree, but I understand what you're saying, not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
It makes sense to me.
Now, you talk about the people that came here over the past 10 years, the tens of millions of them.
They don't need to be here for the society to function.
They do not.
They simply do not.
You cannot make the argument.
The society was running before.
And now the society is running after with the influx of people worse.
So I look, it disgusts me that when Biden was elected, he literally said immediately surge the border.
And you had caravans of people in Biden shirts just trying to get in.
And we did that.
We did that for years.
And then when Trump comes into office, we can say, hey, immigration is a complicated issue, blah, It's not complicated when you have 20 million people come in here over a short period of time.
The scary thing is most people, even conservatives, aren't really willing to have the hard conversations, but saying the uncomfortable things that don't sound nice when you say them out loud, but they're true.
So you need to say it.
It's like, why are there Somalians in Minneapolis?
Don't you think that's why we've gotten to where we've gotten to now?
Like, here's the thing.
I think we've been operating on this level of extremism and just pulling the lever in one direction or the other instead of just slightly gently steering the wheel, which is why the mess has been created in the first place.
That's that's actually really my macro level argument.
That's a political argument for making political solutions.
I'm just of the opinion that there is no political solution.
You know I don't want to get into FED Posting territory, like New Groiver was saying, but uh, I definitely echo what he was putting down there.
There probably is no political solution, so that the the time for kind of making compromises and and you know, you know, just slow slightly, you know, stepping around the bush and not really doing a whole bunch.
I think the time for that is kind of like over and there really is, especially if they're trying to still give everyone the total fabrication that voting matters, when they've imported like at least uh, I I don't even know what the numbers would be now, but probably like 100 million.
Who even knows what the numbers are of of people that are just not of this country.
Um okay, and i'm not necessarily I, I don't have an answer on this and i'm not necessarily like completely against some of the arguments you guys are making here.
But like, let's go back into like, the whole Native American thing.
Like what do you think at that point is the answer?
Because technically, we came in here well, I can't say we, I wasn't even here yet but the, the Native Americans was the native population here, and they got wiped out.
If you were the Native American, what's your standpoint on?
This is also war, but it's not waged in direct conflict.
It is the controllers of the system.
It's that fourth uh branch of government, that bureaucratic class, that has deliberately done this to destabilize the country, and the people don't have a vote.
Well here, well here, let me let me make the point, let me step on the point, interrupt, everyone we were.
They were also yeah, they were killing each other, they were scalping each other, they were raping each other, kidnapping each other.
It was, look, it's all the same thing.
People are people and this is why we talk about the Star Wars narrative always being wrong, of like the hero and the villain.
It doesn't work that way.
Throughout history, it's it's, whoever has the upper hand takes advantage.
They ultimately win the conflict.
So to me, for me, when I think about, you know, getting into the morality of the Native American issue, the topic, it's a completely different world.
It's a completely different world and I I could say that the parallel is relevant in sense of changing the like demographics or population of a place and changing its culture.
Where I don't see it as relevant is saying like it mean.
Therefore, we are not allowed to be mean.
I start Like on either side, I don't think it's relevant.
I don't think we're allowed to be mean to the Native Americans.
I don't think the Native Americans are allowed to like, like people think that they like were like riding around on horses and stuff before we came over here.
Like the level of ignorance about like what was going on over here before we came over here.
It was a pretty brutal system.
And, you know, the image of the Native American like on the horse and stuff.
And like, like the horses came over here because the Spanish and the British brought them over here and all that.
Like there's a whole mythology around that subject.
When you look at people across the globe, they're universally the same.
At some point, every culture has engaged in human sacrifice.
Every culture has engaged in slavery, all these things that we would deem to be immoral and illegal and bad in the modern sense.
I just, I don't think, I just, my point is both sides are it just comes down to preservation.
That's like an internal espionage that happened from people like Biden and the administration that just decided, all right, let's just incentivize that to happen.
Darwinism wouldn't apply to it to a whole entire nation where you are basically stripped of any means of defending yourself under the tyranny of the current occupiers of the government.
There's no, and Darwinism would only make sense if you were talking about it on a much smaller scale in a less complicated fashion.
So here's, here's what I'll wrap up with in my opinion.
I'm pro-America at the end of the day.
You know, I like to play devil's advocate because it really just, I like to get the thought process thinking and how people, I just want to hear opinions.
And some of these are my original thoughts in terms of like, you know, there's also things you agree with.
And there's things that I agree with you guys on.
At the end of the day, I don't know what it's like to be necessarily in your shoes as, you know, I'm not white.
I don't like my culture technically is Africa.
If I really go down to the deep, you're in general, you're an American.
Yeah, we're integrated.
It's, there's no, there's no changing that.
But I don't, for me, it's a different thing because I'm already the minority and I'm not really thinking about preserving.
I mean, there's people in the black community that are like get super pissed off at me for like if I'm, you know, into white women or something like that.
I understand where everyone's going in terms of this preservation thing, but I think it really, like, I think it's, it's more so the culture that comes with the skin color.
That's where the, that's where the nuance is coming from.
It's not about like, it's a white, white Christian country.
And because we're white, we must live here forever.
No, it's because your father, your grandfather, your great-grandfather, your great-great-great-grandfather, they all died here trying to build this American project and contribute to it.
You, as a person that's lived here for a while and has ancestry history, you have that exact same claim.
What I'm saying is if you take the pigmentation out of it, it comes down to a preservation of the value and the culture of whatever you've built in that system.
The reason why, you know, I'm not like, oh, I want a bunch of Islamists to come in here and completely revamp and get into all the political situations.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, I don't want Sharia law.
Like, I love talks about it all.
I love America.
But here's the thing: if, let's say, Mexico and a lot of these other countries had the exact same culture, then I don't really care that much that a white person looks kind of mixed as long as they're preserving the country.
I'm living in a fairy tale, but I'm just saying, like, that's where the thing is, blood was shed in order for all of us to be here.
The problem is, people that have that history, they look at people coming from other parts of the globe to just kind of like jump in at a point where the system's already built up.
I think that's where people can take offense to it.
That being said, I mean, people have been driven to this point specifically because of the immigration in the Biden years and how bad it was.
And I mean that not non-facetiously, because I mean, I don't really know.
I feel like everything else has just been a total net negative.
It's just like it's he now is kind of the time when, like, I think it's just like there's too many things out of his control.
Like, his life is on the line.
He could have died easily several times up until this point.
There's just so many things.
I mean, I guess he got that bag with Miriam, but that's cool.
But there's just so many things that, like, he's just, there's, I just don't think he has the ability to change as much as one might think.
So I think, you know, it's like nice that he's like putting ICE as like a priority, but I don't think he really can even do too, too much with that as well.
I think what's really going to happen these next couple years is it's already happened just the past year.
We've given so much ammunition.
The media is doing what the media does best.
They're finding every single little thing and blasting it about how this is like Hitler 2.0 and this is like another Holocaust because they're deporting like Maria or something like that.
And so they're just going to keep stockpiling and blasting everyone with all this stuff.
And it's going to be a huge power transfer for the next election is what I'm thinking.
It's going to be total because like you see like Rex was saying, the left is a lot more organized.
So once they do get back in power inevitably in 2028, it's going to be pretty brutal.
I think they're going to crack down a lot on conservatism in the right wing.
You know, and this is a we talk about these issues and go, oh, you're taking a position.
Oh, the other person's taking a position.
We're having discussions here that need to be had between the people that live here in the country and for people abroad to see what Americans are thinking about and commenting on.
At the end of the day, people have very strong feelings about the country and the nation as it is.
They have very strong feelings about the current administration and promises kept, promises broken.
They have very strong feelings about the economy and very strong feelings about how much money has really been devalued.
And the common thread that we can get to is no one really has a positive vision for the future.
Everything is kind of trending towards collapse.
And what we have seen from the Trump administration, kind of this last gasp of hope, that's what I considered it.
I know that's probably what you considered it as well.
We hear a lot of unhappiness with the base, and we see the left getting poised again.
And even though it's just like a New York, New Jersey, and a couple other elections in Virginia, we can really see the bellwether of people kind of trending towards that leftism again because ultimately, hey, if you promise you're going to give people food and food's expensive, people might go with you.
Yeah, no, I'm gonna read it, but it's from the Great Potato Kitty.
LOL never claimed it was.
It's public live stream.
I thought I could ask a question and state my opinions.
Yeah, you absolutely can.
We're gonna read it.
As an African-American, how do you feel about the Trump regime firing black military generals and replacing the names of bases with Civil War leaders' names?
Okay, so I think what he's the Civil War thing, here's the thing.
He's trying to appeal to his base a little bit with that because I think sometime during Biden and during like the George Floyd movement, they like they tore down a lot of these Civil War things and like a lot of stuff was reviewed.
So that's why when I see stuff like that, like, you know, you see some off scenarios where like maybe some people who were black were fired.
That I'm like, okay, well, what's the deeper story behind that?
Were they not qualified?
Because here's the thing.
I'm still for the meritocracy.
And, you know, you've got situations where I can see the argument for a little bit of, you know, people who were slightly disadvantaged, but I also really prefer the qualified people to be in there.
So I don't really know what the macro level doesn't bother me that much.
Here's the thing: you know, I am in the center and I lean more conservative, you know, but I'm not MAGA to the I'm in a weird political like you're yeah, you're like also in that weird like middle area where you kind of lean a little bit more left, right?
But in general, like when the firefighter is called, normally the ambulance is also coming out of the same, you know, I think that's a local budget that goes to that.
Uh, what are we seeing percentage-wise?
Oh, yeah, so 59%.
Am I seeing that?
Yeah, 39% is public for fire department, 59%, only 9%.
Just to clarify, like on a $170 billion package, and I forgot to mention this all the times that we talk about this.
$170 billion isn't all just going directly into the Ukrainian government.
Part of that percentage, and I think a good amount of it goes actually towards the American companies to actually build this stuff and replenish the stockpiles that were like you got to look at.
We got to look into the fine print and actually look at the percentages because I know when they've done some of these packages, not all of it has gone.
We do the show because you are important and you have important views.
You have important criticisms of the government.
And where do you get to voice those in a really non-partisan environment?
That being said, we all have political opinions and whatnot, but me and Tim are sitting here really as independents who are not members of any political party.
We're not trying to push Trump Kool-Aid.
We're not trying to push Bernie Sanders Kool-Aid, not AOC Kool-Aid, not Ted Cruz Kool-Aid, not Israel Kool-Aid, not Russian Kool-Aid.
Oh, yeah, not China Kool-Aid, American values, American systems of freedom, liberty, equality, and ultimately of dialogue.
We're just trying to have these conversations because everywhere we looked before starting the show, it's just partisan show, partisan show, partisan show.
And also the other thing I'll add to what you were talking about.
That's also another thing we saw why I do the deep dives on Sundays, which you guys should definitely be tuning in for every single Sunday.
The more segments that we're going to come out with are going to be more issues that hit home and issues that are more pertaining, not always necessarily war.
But we wanted this to be an educational show where you can gain and learn something by the end of that episode and be like, wow, you know what?
I thought I knew this thing, but I didn't.
And I spent a lot of time doing the research because, and I spend tens of hours on this so that I can give you guys a lot of dedicated to getting the absolute best facts and information.
And I do it like not across partisan lines.
I literally have to like go try to go into the nitty-gritty and find, okay, are you leaning a little bit more right?
My point is we covered things and then based on the information, we're able to evolve or like discard a viewpoint that may or may not have been correct.
I talk about myself and single-payer healthcare and people being able to afford child care and afford to have kids.
Like I think if you're pro-life, I think you have to have those positions.
How could you tell people to be pro-life and have children if the kid can't eat?
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And look, Tim has put in so much work doing this show.
And I kind of sit here and I'm pretty politically informed and pretty passionate on a number of issues.
I have experience doing a show.
So I'm coming here and I'm bloviating a lot.
And I need to get better and I get more dedicated.
Tim is bringing these hard-hitting topics to the show.
I'm not doing it.
Be honest with you right now.
I'm not doing it.
I'm like finding things that I've been interested in for a while and kind of continuing the saga on like war economy front.
Tim is like, hey, I found this out.
I'm investigating this.
We need to cover this for the show.
I'm like, great, perfect.
Send me the information.
And then like this notion that you have all your notes put together, I was just like, wow, every single show you see, every figure statistic number he has, you can make the arrogant decision of being like, I already knew that.
I'm aware of this topic, this subject.
No, you're not because I wasn't.
And I get more informed every time I listen to him, especially on Sunday when we do the prepared segments.
But hey, just coming in today for a Tuesday, Thursday show, you already had so much prepped on that topic.
I'm just like, wow.
You know, so like, look, if you want that level of dedication and commitment and love of the game, then you need to follow Tim Tompkins on X at Truism Tim.
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