Rex Jones and Tim Tompkins welcome Joe Biggs, a Jan. 6 veteran with a commuted sentence, to debate the event’s framing—Biggs dismisses media claims of police deaths as a setup while criticizing Trump’s selective pardons and FBI’s deep-state resistance. They contrast 2020’s political optimism with today’s inflation-driven reality, like $90K earners seeing ACA premiums jump from $70 to $217/month post-Biden subsidies. Biggs argues U.S. support for Israel and Ukraine diverts funds from domestic crises, while Jones and Tompkins expose healthcare monopolies—e.g., insulin priced at $88 vs. Walmart’s $11—blaming corporate lobbying and preventable chronic diseases. The episode ends with a call to counter systemic manipulation through shared awareness, aiming for a more informed America. [Automatically generated summary]
We've got some clips and whatever to start, but just to go over the pipe bomber situation a little bit.
There was someone that left these pipe bombs out and apparently they were left out by a school and the school discovered them because of the security camera footage.
So it was taken care of and dealt with, right?
This is right out around the Gen 6 time.
And now it's come out that the lady that left the pipe bombs there, they have like a 94, 95% forensic match.
So allegedly, we're not confirming anything here.
She's a capital police officer who was there on Gen 6, who may have had involvement with the CIA.
And she actually testified against people and sent them to jail for a seditious conspiracy.
So it's all very interesting.
We're going to get into it right now.
But to start off with something topical, we've got Trump getting booed at the NFL game.
If Kamala was, and I hear, I hear everyone make this point.
Look at this level, like gut level.
Like when you look at this situation and when you look at Trump, when you look at what's going on, well, I think, I mean, this is not what I voted for.
No, it wasn't what I voted for either, which is why it's very difficult because, you know, I'm in the center, but you know, I lean a little bit more right, but it's very hard.
Like, I'm looking like a lib these days with some of the posts because it's like hard to defend him.
You know, it's like there's a bunch of funny stuff.
You know, all these people that got massive amount of money and they just show up and they go, look, I'm the greatest person ever and I'm here to fix your problems and I'm likable.
He was supposed to be appointed as a dude over it.
I don't know behind the scenes, I'm sure, but like it's very hard for you to like do what you want when you have also the richest man in the world who's used to running his companies.
I thought I heard the rumor that, like, you know, when he started misbehaving, they said, like, you know, the Secret Service beat the shit out of him or something like that.
Like, I view what's going on with the Fed right now, at least as some sort of tangential positive that the president can't just fire the dude and do whatever he wants.
He'll be replaced by somebody who's like pro-Trump, you know, just like he replaced all the Supreme Court with the people that he wanted, which is which is wild because the Supreme Supreme Court shut that judge's order, the mandate for the snap benefits.
But people like this, people like Levin, all these types, they were people that were very anti-Trump.
And then leading into everything regarding, you know, the second term, once he starts, once it starts to look like he's going to win, when Biden's going to fail and he's senile, all these people flock to Trump.
And then he likes them more because he wants to be liked by the people that don't like him.
So he's got all these people that love him and love him for real.
But the people that hated him and dissed him were the people he was always truly a fan of.
So when they were willing to come over, he's like, this is the universe I wanted to live in.
I didn't want to live with the bumpkin people that liked me.
I wanted to be, you know, with the conservative elite, you know, the Fox News class.
Like, I'll tell you, like, I've been to Trump Tower, not Trump Tower, the whatever the Trump thing is in DC, the Trump Plaza or whatever it is in D.C. He's got a bunch of places.
I've been to the one in D.C. numerous times and it is that class.
I mean, and the thing is, if that's what he wants to be surrounded by, that's fine.
But ultimately, all these people are loyal to a foreign country.
And, you know, I think Trump was at one point loyal to America, but I think his values have been skewed, kind of like Glenn Beck, as to where he's like, look, you know, like y'all are so amazing and so wonderful.
It's such an honor to stand with you that no matter what you do, just standing with you, even though if you're doing the worst things imaginable, I'm standing with you and you're a victim class.
Hey, dude, hats off to Trump, though, for being able to literally, no matter what, have that base of people that will always be loyal to him, no matter what he does wrong.
So, I mean, you've got to be, it's crazy because like, I don't, I never thought, you know, Trump was like the most influential person until like I saw him running for presidency and the way he talks.
And it's like, you know, if you and I were talking and I met you like that and that's how you were to communicate with me, I'd be like, who is this guy?
But like, there's millions of people that like, you know, he speaks in ad-libs and he's like, very, very good.
And, you know, the extra stuff.
And it's like, I guess it's enough for them.
You know, he speaks to the level that they want to talk to.
But I wonder if he talks like that behind closed doors or whether that's just the.
I think he can't turn it off, even if there was a difference.
You know, this is the thing you got to realize about these jobs and really these, you know, identities or archetypes that people take on is they mold them.
I truly believe that because like if there was a difference, then we would see a difference in the behavior.
Right.
And then, you know, maybe the negotiation tactic and Trump's essential negotiation tactic is this.
Crazy, crazy threat, negotiation.
But if he was rational in the sense of he wasn't acting in that public persona all the time, if he was withdrawn and kind of really playing the 3D or 4D chess that people talk about, it would be attack and then like maneuver instead of just going to negotiate.
What happens when the Republicans are no longer in power?
You know, it might even be November at this rate because there's a fraction within the Republican Party and people are getting really mad in these whole like no kings protests and stuff.
And then number two, the stuff that he could still do, very low effort stuff that he could do to fix things or turn things around.
He's only got a year left of governmental control.
So even the base and the people that voted for him, you see what I'm saying here that want him to do all these things that we may not agree with, but it is Trump's platform to do so.
All those people are going to be super disappointed when because of the poor performance in the first part of the second term, the Democrats have a landslide and take back the Senate and the House.
And the biggest thing is, is like, I thought, you know, for the longest time, I was like, you know what?
The Democrats are in the wrong here for the government shutdown.
And, you know, the Republicans are the ones that are pretty much, you know, they've made the claim and everybody's leaning more towards the Republican side.
Now, I'm not even so sure.
This thing's going on longer.
And, you know, the Democrats, I'm seeing a lot of stuff out there.
And it seems like the Democrats have really played their hand here.
And they've made the Republican Party even weaker.
Well, I mean, they did the best thing they could do after, you know, they got obliterated in 2024, which is just to play dead and to not really do anything and wait for the Republicans to do what they always do, which is to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
So I was like, okay, let me figure out, let me get down to the bottom of this.
And it was so hard to find the exact details and the truth about it because like everywhere I was looking, you go, oh, forget Fox, forget MSNBC, forget fucking CNN.
All those people are giving like the biased version.
And then like even the commentary that's out there, you guys try to go find YouTube videos.
This guy did an interview, but it was like Chuck Schumer doing the interview and explaining the government shutdown.
I was like, oh, can't watch that because I know exactly what's going to be in there.
They're going to end up skewing that right there.
So that told me everything I need to.
I went into the freaking nitty-gritty.
I had to fucking combine not even just my own research, but like ChatGPT wasn't giving me what I wanted.
Grock wasn't giving me what I wanted.
And I was just fact checking both and everybody out there.
And I spent literally like five to eight hours of research on this to figure out exactly what's causing the government shutdown.
What's the biggest issue?
And this is going to be the deep dive tonight, guys.
Like, you have to pay attention to this because I just went down the rabbit hole.
So Ashton Babbitt was killed, Roseanne Boylan, and then there were two other men that were killed.
I believe one was a heart attack from a flashbang.
So, you know, but no police officers died on January 6th.
That is a lie.
We forced them to admit that in the trial.
So we had them on record admitting that no officers died, but they still continue to carry that narrative in the media and on TV and even, you know, in other areas to make, you know, the Proud Boys or the Oath Keepers look bad and demonize us because at the end of the day, the whole thing was a setup to kind of cover for the fact that the election was stolen and then also try and shift the blame from them to us.
And you know, like I have massive issues with Trump.
You know, I voted for him twice now.
And in 2024, especially after the Thomas Matthew Crooks incident, I went on InfoWars.
I was live with Chase for like three, four hours.
I came out of church and heard the news and just drove straight to the office.
And like I pulled the cross out of my shirt and I told people to vote for Trump because I thought he was going to stop the wars.
And I thought that that's why they wanted to kill him.
That's why they wanted to get rid of him.
And I was a true believer the first time since I was like a little kid, you know, since you knew me running around Infowars, I was a true believer in Trump.
And, you know, the one positive thing I can point to that he's done, sort of, kind of, I mean, you deserve a pardon, but he's commuted and pardoned a bunch of Jan Sixers and he's done a lot of good things on that front.
But from everything I hear from you and from all the other people, y'all still want things done.
Y'all still want things fixed.
The administration is kind of unresponsive.
And it feels like this one kind of ray of sunshine or this glimmer of hope we're kind of, you know, we're being told that it's done.
I mean, ultimately, when they come out and tell us, hey, Epstein never trafficked anyone.
In fact, he didn't exist basically.
And, you know, it's just like Bongino says, like a robot.
He goes, I've seen the file.
I've seen the file.
He killed himself.
And that's a guy that I was watching on Infowars in 2012.
That's a guy in like the late 20 teens who was hosting the fourth hour sometime.
So weird for me.
And I know it's probably really weird for you, too.
I'm not too sure on your relationship if you knew Bongino or ever talked to him, but to see the transformations of these people once they get into the halls of power, I mean, Kash Patel, like I ruled him from day one as like, he's he's the podcast guy who's like campaigning for himself.
And he's literally, he's got like a little book where Trump is the king and he's like a little wizard and he helps the king Trump and all this.
And it's like, okay, like you're a grifter.
Like, I don't like that, but that's fine.
Um, Dan Bongino, I thought that this was a guy, you know, of upstanding uh moral fortitude.
And now we see him kind of unwilling to do his job.
And when it comes time to do it, they don't do it.
What it is, is if you're going to go into the FBI, and this is what I believe happened.
And I said this on your dad's show earlier today.
I believe that when Kash Patel went in there, he had good intentions.
I believe Dan Bongino had good intentions when they went in there.
But the deep state, the guys and the FBI that have been there forever that are just part of the corruptness, they both put a folder in front of each one of those guys and it had all the fucked up things they've ever done in their life.
They look down there, their eyes got big and they got scared and they go, all right.
And the guys go, look, things aren't going to change.
You're not going to fire us.
You're not going to burn this building down to the ground, like you said.
You're going to do exactly what we say when we say and you're going to shut the fuck up.
And that's how it's going to be.
And here's the thing is we all have skeletons in our closet.
You know, everybody's got something that they're embarrassed of and don't want out in public.
But we need a man of integrity to stand up and take that shot and say, you know what, fuck it, I don't care.
Release whatever you got on me because guess what?
We're at war.
The only way we can save this country is to clean out this corruptness.
And we need a man that's willing to stand up and expose whatever dirty shit he's done and go into the FBI and clean house and fire all these deep state agents and start over new and bring in good, God-fearing Christian men and women who love the country and actually adhere to the Constitution.
And everybody knows that we're a democracy, but a democracy is a country by the people for the people.
But a constitutional republic means that we are maintaining our loyalty to the Constitution.
That's what people don't get.
And if we were a republic, I mean, if we were actually a democracy, there's more of us than them.
And we'd actually just, you know, we'd throw them all in prison camps or something.
I mean, we could have that ability if we were actually a democracy.
One thing that I want to go back over, you had mentioned the fact that like they probably have a file.
They have all these things that are on you.
I think it goes even bigger than that.
I think, you know, a lot of these people have family members.
They have, you know, kids.
And I said this the same thing about like politicians that go in with good intentions too.
It's like once, you know, they get a reality check once you're inside and you get to see what's going on.
But like even bigger than the file, it's like, I guarantee you, they're like, well, you want your, you want little Timmy to go to college, right?
You know, like we can make something happen where your son doesn't graduate or just like any level of thing where they can just pull a lever and just do a favor.
I think the system overall, they have so much leverage to basically ruin not just your life, but your family's life.
And it's like, that's when that's, I think that's what keeps the person from being like, okay, I'll just martyr myself because it's everyone else that they're also associated with would also get lumped in.
I mean, like in a standard sense, I know, you know, what we believe in, you know, but you know, you've got to find, we've got to have a guy out there that, yeah, probably doesn't have a family and doesn't have children.
So they don't have that leverage.
The thing is, though, is can a guy like that that doesn't have leverage to pull, so to say, like you said, can get into a position like that to run the FBI.
I don't know if they would ever let someone be confirmed that doesn't have that ability to hold something over their head, like you said, their family members or something.
So I don't know.
I mean, it's always possible.
I mean, maybe if you were smart, you could fake a marriage and pretend like you were with someone and then get in there and be like, that's one of the things they'll write you up for.
Well, yeah, I didn't make any threats or anything.
I just said that it's time for you to step aside, Kash Patel.
I go, this is a war that we're in.
We're not just, you know, the position of director of the FBI is not an excuse to get a free private jet to gallivan around with your shitty country music girlfriend singer.
No one's ever heard of.
She's not a sensation.
You know, he's constantly using his work to go and gallivant around and hang out with her at these fucking rodeos and shit like that.
And it's like, you know what?
We're at war.
We need a commanding general to be there.
We need someone who is tirelessly at the office.
You've got four years.
If you can't suck it up for four years and man up and do your job and save the country, I said, step aside.
And Bongino, step aside.
Let some men come in with integrity.
Let Seraphin come in.
Let Garrado Boyle, let freaking Steve Friend, let these other guys who actually stood up to the machine and blew the whistle on the corruption within the FBI and got canned for it.
Let those kind of men come in and actually run the FBI because they actually understand the Constitution, you know, and they understand what.
investigations are supposed to be like when you start one and you follow the evidence and then come to a conclusion and have your perpetrator.
Whereas the FBI now is, they just pick someone and go, you're the bad guy.
And then they try to build a case around it, which is what they did with us on January 6th.
So when we were in trial, there was absolutely no evidence that was brought forth that even remotely made me guilty in any kind of way.
But because they run the system and because it's DC, they can still convict me and throw me in prison for decades.
So, you know, there's a lot of corruption out there.
It's just going to take real men and women to stand up and do the right fucking thing.
And, you know, it's just, it's hard to find people of integrity, people with morals, people who put God first.
It's just, it's just, we're few far and beyond out there.
So you, you're definitely hitting on something that I wanted to start asking.
And I know you've probably been, you know, asked these questions a million times, but there's new people that always don't understand your story and what happened to you.
But just kind of like the overarching summary, explain kind of like what happened and, you know, what you felt in the moment that you pretty much got like a basically a death sentence to just be rotting in prison for something that you didn't feel, you know, that was just not do anything wrong, Tim.
And it just I mean, we keep getting told, you know, from Pam Bondi and Cash Mattel that it takes time.
It takes time.
Well, January 20th, 2021, when Joe Biden took office, the first thing he did was after he swore his oath to the Constitution, which we know he doesn't believe in, sent FBI agents to my house.
I mean, this happened instantaneously.
I was like the first one picked up.
And it was insane how quick they were there.
I mean, and I'm here while all this stuff's going on, the inauguration, like, you know, being driven by the FBI to the federal courthouse in Orlando, Florida, you know, a few hours away from where I live in Daytona Beach.
So, you know, it's bullshit when they keep telling us it takes time.
No, it doesn't.
The entire time, the entire time that like while we're in power right now, you know what the left's doing?
They are creating lists of people within the DOJ and the FBI of people that have been looking into them.
And they're actually, when they get into power, we'll go after them.
Whereas we sit around and our fucking politicians and our leaders just sit around and they say things and they like to make clips on Fox News and they like to be trendy, but they're not doing their fucking job.
And it's just, it's kind of pathetic because, you know, we know the corruption that's been happening over the last, you know, shit since Obama, I mean, forever, you know, but, you know, things have been bad.
And for some reason, every time we get in power, shit never happens.
And we just sit here and we pussyfoot around and our politicians don't vote the way that we want them to.
And they take money from APAC and they represent other countries more than they do their own.
They care more about foreign soldiers and foreign borders than they do about, you know, their own people.
So it's just frustrating, you know?
And when I'm sitting there and I'm going through the trial, like each and every day, me and Enrique would look at each other and go, dude, we're going to win this because they just, there's nothing been brought up.
Like there's not been one piece of evidence that they've brought forward where I was like, fuck, that doesn't look good at all.
I was like every day, like literally going, we got this.
We're going to win this.
And with no evidence being shown whatsoever, with the largest amount of discovery in any American trial, we were the longest trial ever, the longest jury selection ever, and the most discovery ever in an American trial.
And hundreds of thousands of terabytes of information and not one piece of evidence ever pointed towards our guilt.
And any of our chats and any of our videos and any of our call logs, did we ever say insurrection, storming the Capitol, stopping the certification of the election, anything like that?
We never even talked about the Capitol.
The only time we ever brought up going to DC on the 6th was when after December 20th, Trump put out a tweet saying, be there, be there.
It'll be wild or something like that.
And we were like, well, fuck it.
Let's go.
It's our last chance to go and support him before he's out in Biden's end.
And that was literally it.
We talked about safety.
We talked about what we were going to do to keep ourselves together, out of harm's way, and maintain security to watch for Antifa and to make sure we could protect people so they could go to these events that day that were going to be happening and do it without fear of being jumped by Antifa.
And that's all we talked about in all of our chats was safety and keeping each other safe and watching out for threats.
But they somehow concocted a story that, you know, would make, you know, Stephen King blush.
And that's what they said that everyone there was.
And Biden said it, you know, like white supremacy and like domestic terrorism is the biggest threat in America.
Right.
And that was the language that was the signaling.
And we all forget because we want to forget.
We want to forget COVID.
We want to kind of forget the whole Biden presidency because it was just so bad.
But that was the constant language and the constant signaling was like, yeah, police state's here.
You're going to take your vaccine.
All these people who were here are domestic terrorists and we're going to lock them up forever.
And that's pro-America.
And you got Biden up there with the red background saying all of that.
In this time now, going into the second Trump administration, it reminds me eerily so much of the first in weird ways.
And maybe you have this sense as well.
I mean, just being up at Infowars during that time, it was like the greatest celebration victory ever when he won the first time.
It was like, yes, let's do this.
We got him elected.
He's in office.
And then we hear this story about, oh, he's trying to do stuff, but all the people he appointed are bad.
But he's got the Russia thing hanging over him his entire first term.
And that's justifiable to us as then we're able to say, okay, he's dealing with this giant thing.
We know it's a hoax.
It's a scandal they've set up, but he's still dealing with it.
He ultimately really doesn't get any of the things he sets out to do done in the first term.
I remember him wanting like 5 billion for the wall.
And they're like, that's too much money.
But then we send 300 billion to Ukraine.
But then he comes in second term running on this really radical campaign of coming after the people that came after him.
And he makes friends with those people, best friends with those people.
And the whole story of the second administration so far has been him hanging out with them.
And I just, I feel fooled.
I feel gotten at a certain level.
And I want to believe in Trump.
I want to believe that there was a time where he was for real.
But the modern political culture is so disgusting to me just because of how much it reminds me of the time of 2020.
It reminds me of when I went up with Owen and the Infowars Battle Tank to a GOP event that was outdoors up in Dallas.
And they had like 50-year-old women twerking to Trump rap music in the street.
And it's the attitude of like, we're winning, we're winning.
It's the giant victory that's here.
And I don't need to see a Benny Johnson post about him going on a ride along where they're grabbing illegals to feel confident about the country.
I don't need to see, yeah, I don't need to see Trump, you know, doing a meme dance or shaking hands with the troops.
I need to see Trump in the wars.
I need to see Trump, you know, in the inflation.
I need to see Trump put the people in jail.
He promised he was going to put in jail.
But it seems like the people that we always envision getting charged and having justice done to them, they're too high up because ultimately they're all implicated in the Epstein stuff together.
So they could never get charged.
They throw us a bone and they say, oh, yeah, Brendan Clapper Comey, they're going to go to jail.
Letitia James, she's going to go to jail.
These aren't the power controllers.
You can argue Brennan Clapper Comey for sure, FBI and whatnot, but these aren't.
This isn't, well, why isn't Hillary in jail?
You know, like doing some of the work.
This is, what do you think of all this?
Like the we're winning language?
I feel like it's another version of the Q-tard stuff.
Like, I can't, I can't stand Benny Johnson's and the Farishes and all these guys that just sit out here and they literally lie through their teeth.
Everything's going great.
I'm like, yeah, dude.
I just, tonight, I was like, what's going to be cheaper?
Going out to eat or going to the grocery store?
And I already know that going out to eat is actually cheaper than going to the grocery store for me.
But I was like, you know, I'm going to try and go to Publix and I'm going to buy some stuff.
I got like some kill and eat shrimp and some drinks and chips.
And it was like $50 for like four things.
I'm like, shit's not good right now.
And it's like, you know, you're too focused on like Trump is such a megalomaniac.
He's an egotistical, narcissistic prick, man.
And that's just the truth of the matter.
Like he only cares about his image.
And then he'll tell you, even if he's doing the wrong thing, no, no, I'm doing it.
I'm doing it.
No, inflation's good or inflation's down.
Gas is low.
Food's cheap.
And he'll just lie to you and tell you that it's good.
No, it's not.
Like I'm out here living it.
It's not good.
And, you know, I'm sick and tired of all this shit, man.
Like, I'm sick and tired of these fake fucking grifters and these, you know, E-celebs, you know, constantly, you know, bashing me because, you know, I dare say that Israel controls our government.
You know, it's like, you know, people anti-Semitic, anything bad they say about Israel.
Like you could just like take the name Israel, take the entire like Jewish population out of it, and you just look at it like a black and white situation and you're just talking about an issue.
Just because the Jewish name is attached to it makes you anti-Semitic.
And I'm like, I love Jews.
I mean, it's, maybe I don't like what they're doing, but you know, I definitely have a bunch of friends that are Jewish.
Ultimately, they've genocided and killed tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people.
The Gaza health ministry numbers, I believe they're low, but I mean, 70,000 people in a city like twice or three times the size of Austin is just getting bombed for two years.
When all these old boomers die off from old age, you're going to see a shift in America.
The veil's been removed.
We see through the lies.
I don't believe that Israel is my greatest ally.
I don't believe that lie anymore.
I can see beyond the curtain.
And I think once more people wake up to that, things are going to get a lot better.
But right now, Zionism is a major issue in the world.
And it's literally, you know, everybody goes, well, you're not talking about Muslims.
I go, well, I have talked about them before in depth many times over the years.
But they're a threat to like small crowds of people.
Zionism is a threat to the American way of life.
It's the biggest threat to freedom of speech in America.
It's the biggest threat to our politics in general, because AIPAC is paying off half of the fucking people in the capital.
You know, the president's taking tons of money from them.
So it's insane to say that they don't have control over our politics.
They're buying up our social media.
They buy up all the technology.
B.B. Metanyah, who literally makes threats on TV saying, you know that technology, the cell phone?
Yeah, that's because of us.
And we've got a lot of those phones out there that are booby trapped, you know, and he's like talking about that after making statements when Trump said he would pull he calls it the eighth front of war.
Well, they're losing the information war right now.
And that's why they're paying.
That's why they got.
That's why they got Shapiro flipping out.
That's why they got Mark Levin making death threats, basically.
And nothing's happening because they can get away with whatever they want.
You know, Miriam Adelson is dropping $20 million to try to primary Thomas Massey in Kentucky.
You know, what is a foreign-born person doing in our country influencing our elections?
Like, why isn't this throwing up red flags?
Why aren't we stopping that from happening?
You know, APAC is a foreign agent.
It doesn't need to be in our country.
It needs to be banned and outlawed.
And I want to know each influencer, what country they're taking money from, because all these people are like, oh, I'm America first.
I was like, well, all the fuck you talk about is Israel.
That does not sound like America first to me.
But this is where America first is ridiculous because America first means that there's a second and a third and a fourth.
No, I'm America only.
Because right now we got our own problems to deal with.
We need to be America only, not America first.
Because that means Israel could be second, you know, Ukraine third, whatever.
I don't believe that there's an order.
I think right now we need to focus on us only.
We need to focus on our veterans.
We need to focus on our men and women.
We need to get our health care fixed.
We need to get our prices for food down, gas down.
We need to stop chemtrailing the fucking skies and poisoning our people.
We need to get poison out of our food.
We need to get people healthy again.
stop promoting these fucking drugs that have these horrible side effects on TV nonstop.
And let's stop fucking pushing propaganda down our throats nonstop.
You know, like there's, there's, there's so much that's going on in our country that's fucked up that we don't have time and we should not be sending money to Ukraine or to Israel.
Without, with, if Israel didn't have America, Israel will not exist.
If we pull away from them, they will not exist.
They will be done and gone.
The only reason they exist is because we allow them.
But if they feel threatened, having the balls to be like, yeah, you know, we have nuclear weapons.
Oh, maybe we do, maybe we don't, but we really do.
And if we're ever threatened, if our territorial integrity is ever, you know, compromised in any way, we're just going to nuke everyone.
And then we're told this is the most moral army in the world, that these are our friends.
And then like, I've, like, I've really, you know, Tim, I've played a lot of clips for you and you're like, wow, like if Smotrich and Ben Gavir and Netanyahu himself talking about, you know, hey, demolition is the most expensive part of any construction project.
We're talking about the finance ministry here, but it's so sick that Trump would go and post like an AI edit of like a Trump Dubai city.
And it's on top of a graveyard, right?
And the fact that we would even consider doing this and then have the balls to call ourselves, you know, like we're the moral people and we're helping the most moral nation in the world.
But whenever we see these people talk about Israel, we played the Glenn Beck clip, but there played plenty of clips.
They have this supernatural reverence for it where it's their God and they literally worship the state of Israel.
Like Glenn Beck is like, it'd be honored to stand with you spiritually.
I think that you should have to be a dual citizen to become president.
I want to see, you know, you have to, you have to have a citizenship to Israel, have to have a citizenship to Russia, have to have a citizen to Iran.
That's how it should be.
And that's my opinion.
Look, I know what you're going to think.
I disagree with that.
I totally agree with Biggs's point.
Yeah, there should be no dual citizen influencing our elections or in our political system.
I 100% believe that.
And like, like Mom Donnie, he's from Uganda, for example, but he's a U.S. citizen, so he can be like, I had something to say, and he just threw me the fuck off of that.
I know we talk about like the problems and then we're like, okay, solution.
I agree with some of the things you're talking about, Joe, as far as like the things we should be focusing on, you know, the prices and all these other things.
But, you know, I'm seeing a lot on the internet.
People are like, well, let's just go back to, you know, the 30s, just isolate, you know, and I don't think that's the solution.
The problem with a lot of the issues that we have these days is because instead of just like dialing and adjusting the knob slightly, we just throttle it to one extreme to another.
And isolationism is one of those things that's just an extreme.
Like the, I don't even like what Trump's doing now with the extreme opposite of it, where we're not even just going after criminals anymore and we're just going after like mothers and their kids.
We talked about this and you talked about, you know, Americans don't want to do the jobs like agriculture, like picking the fruit or whatever.
Those 10 million people, 20 million probably that came in under Biden when he said surge the border and all that, those people aren't critical to the economy.
It's not critical to their life to live in the United States.
It depends on who you are talking about because this isn't the first time.
This isn't the first time in our generation where the United States, before the policy that we had, if you go back in history, we literally had programs in place to have agriculture being done from overseas, I mean, from the Mexican border, because of the fact that like Americans didn't want to do that.
Then they tried to revert that back, realize, oh, we're not getting enough people to do this.
And it's an example of Americans not wanting the specific jobs.
There are sectors where, yes, Americans do want those jobs.
They're competing for specific jobs that they should be getting, but there are legitimate jobs here that just a Gen Z is not going to want to go out there and pick oranges.
I mean, that's we go after the people who are actually a threat, a detrimental threat right now to the American people, a public safety factor, so to say.
Anybody that's a public safety factor, we should be going after them first and getting them out of here.
And then from there, you start coming down and looking down at it.
But just right now, they're just rounding up anybody randomly and then they're going, oh, this person happens to be violent or whatever.
Even if people have been here for a decade and had no prior history, I've seen cases like those where they're just wrapping them up with the rest of them.
Like, dude, this guy's been here pro-American his whole life.
So what, what does he have to do?
We're still, there's a bunch of criminals that haven't been arrested yet.
I think that there could be, yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, if you came here illegally, you know, you're still breaking the law.
But if I break the law, it doesn't mean I'm going to get kicked out of the country either.
But we should go after the violent people first and start working our way down based on threats.
And, you know, if these are people who aren't even, if they're not, if they're not contributing to society, if you're just leeching off and getting government assistance, you need to go.
You shouldn't be here because you're drained on us, you know.
And then we can come down to the bottom where it's like, all right, you've been here for a while.
You've been productive.
And then we can look at the case case by case and see what we can do there.
Because yeah, the country, we've always had immigration, so, but it needs to be done in a right way.
But what we need to really start doing, though, is stop sending funding genocides and sending money to other countries.
And I don't mean like being an isolationist in a sense where we just shut everything down when I say America only.
You know, we still open trade.
We still, we still do the normal things that we do, but we're just not sticking our nose in everybody's fucking business.
We're not funding all these wars.
We're sending billions and billions of dollars all over the world when we could be using billions and billions of dollars here to buy new medical facilities and schools and housing that's decent for people and all kinds of shit.
Our infrastructure is shitty.
You look at China, they got railways all up and down the country.
They've got beautiful fucking infrastructure all over it.
And here we are driving down pothole-ridden roads with hardly any trains anywhere without any of those fast trains going across the country.
Fucking half our planes can't even stay in the fucking sky.
And I think the rest of the modern world's looking at us like we're becoming a third world shithole because our finances are so horrible.
We don't know how to spend our money right.
And we're not focusing our money in the places it needs to be.
We should have a set of priorities from the top to the bottom.
What's the most fucking important thing that we need to work on and start checking these things off the list?
Instead, it's just like Trump's doing a little bit of this and a little bit of that and shaking hands and making videos.
And the thing that I'm the most, you know, probably the angriest about Gaza.
So I won't say I'm the angriest about this, but the thing I'm most disappointed in for sure is the whole Ukraine-Russia debacle and the giant loss of opportunity.
I mean, we're going to have to either work with Russia or China.
We don't have the rare earth minerals and we don't have the metals that they have that we need to be a, you know, a world power, much less a superpower going into the future.
And we've spent 300 billion, over 300 billion in Ukraine funding this puppet state of the EU and like the European Union and the European countries in general.
They are the weakest nations on the globe.
But we spent 300 billion in Ukraine, millions of people dead, and they're losing that war.
And the area that they're fighting over, the Donbass, they're only fighting over that because it actually has all of the rare earth minerals.
That's where all the deposits are in the entire country.
Those people are Russian-speaking, Russian ethnicity.
They voted to leave, but in 2014, the United States helped run a coup called the Maidan coup.
And Victoria Newland was involved in this.
And essentially, they took over that country.
Zelensky was installed.
He's like a Kevin Spacey character, like he literally played the president on TV.
So he gets to be their president.
And this is a guy that's never fought, never served in the military, comedian guy, like TV actor guy.
And he's sending millions off to die back with our money.
And they tell us back in the first Trump term, they say, hey, $5 billion is too expensive for the wall.
You can't have that.
We see this money get spent over there.
Isn't that really just like the final have this giant bit of money we're able to summon through hyperinflation and we spend it on the Ukrainians?
Look, it's so easy to read some people, but Trump's not a guy that you can read because he's like a fucking bouncing ball and like a little bit of a Fucking call him, man.
He's all over the place.
I don't know.
I don't know what he's going to ever do, man.
Like, he's just so bass awkward.
It's just insane.
Like, one minute he's hot, one minute it's cold.
One minute he fucking hates Elon.
The next minute he's fucking running around with his kids and shit.
I think they want to install the person that the person that won the Nobel Peace Prize is like a Venezuelan that's been trying to install down there for decades.
And she goes, no, no, no, I don't deserve this.
President Trump deserves my Nobel Peace Prize.
It's all just all the world's a stage, isn't it, Joe?
Like it's all just, it's all theater.
It's all these little sound bites and moments.
And I guess it gets the boomer excited at home and they clap their hands.
They donate the last of their generational wealth into this political project.
When I was, when I was like nine years old, like nine years old now is like to be a parent, my daughter, my daughter's Savannah.
She's eight years old.
All right.
That's fucking frightening.
Like, I'm scared if I'm not at the bus stop in time because there's literally, we live in a, in a society now where fucking a large portion of our population are child predators.
You know, when I was a little kid, when I was eight, nine years old, I would take a bus home from school.
I would be playing out in the woods by myself, riding a dirt bike.
I'd break bones, have to drag my dirt bike out of a creek and go hike through the woods with a broken collarbone or broken arm and then sit there and wait for my parents to come home and then get them to call, you know, the ambulance or whatever.
You know, today, kids don't know how to do anything on their own.
They're too dependent on cell phones.
They don't pay attention to their surroundings.
The parents don't teach these kids how to pay attention to their surroundings.
And we get all these people getting kidnapped, raped, murdered, killed.
Like, I feel like society, like out there outside of your home is a scary place to be now because it's like there are predators lurking around every fucking corner.
You've got all these people who have been hopped up on medications their whole life, who are fucking bipolar now and schizophrenic.
They're fucking shooting everybody up, driving people over in cars.
Like when I was a kid, you could go, my mom could let me go to a fucking concert by myself and not have to worry about anything.
Like I wouldn't have to worry about someone trying to stab me or rape me or anything like that.
Like I could just go hang out and be a kid.
But it's like now, you know, everybody's kids are staying inside.
So now they do is play on their fucking phones.
They have no good communication skills.
And that's going to have a huge downfall in society down the road because here we are, we have people so addicted to looking at cell phones that they don't even make eye contact when they go out to dinner.
I see couples sitting down at tables and all they do is play on the phone.
Like, why are you dating each other?
You can't even sit down and have a conversation.
Like, what's the fucking point?
You know, we're society today is it's crazy.
Like, it's, I miss the times when I was a kid, the fun we used to have, you know, toilet paper in fucking Clemson University and getting chased by cops through the fucking soccer field in the back of a Corvette, you know, and then the cops would just come over and like slap you on the wrist and call your parents.
Now it's like if you do some hoodlum shit, the fucking cops are going to shoot you and kill you, you know, and then ask questions afterwards.
It's like everything is so freaking scary nowadays.
It's we're like little fish in a fucking shark tank, man.
I feel like, you know, I'm not trying to step on your point, Tim.
I feel like, like, you remember InfoWars pre-Trump, right?
You remember that time period?
The language about the police state and the forced inoculations and, you know, the coming like surveillance grid and all that.
I feel like we're already there.
You know, I feel like we're living in it.
It's here now.
And I hear a lot of talk, you know, the big win and all this.
We're supposed to be positive.
We're supposed to be excited.
But I feel like we've never lived in a time that's been more controlled.
I often imagine, you know, the freedom of, you know, living back in the like 90s or 2000s and just, you know, maybe having a portable phone, maybe not taking notes, using maps, actually using your brain, using your mind.
And we're just, we're in this system now.
And we've been, we've been told that there's a win and that we're in control.
We're going to use the system for good.
And I've heard Alex talk about this and I've heard him call it the ring of Mordor and all of this.
And it's just like, like, what's the point of, you know, making up an allegory for it if we're already here in it now?
Like, there's the surveillance grid.
There's all the total top-down control.
It's all here.
It's all, we're just waiting for the economy to collapse so they can implement the digital currency.
Like, is there even, is there a path out of this or do we just have to sound the alert and just be like, hey, this is where we're at now?
I mean, as technology rises and becomes more prevalent and people become more dependent on it, the necessity to become a survivalist is key.
The only way you're going to be able to survive in the future is to be able to disassociate yourself from technology from time to time.
Kids or parents need to teach their wives, their daughters and sons survival skills.
You need to learn situational awareness.
You need to learn and train your mind to when you're walking to pay attention to the people around you.
When you get onto a bus or a train or public transportation, to look at the people there.
Profiling will save your life and paying attention to people's patterns will save your life.
Maintaining discipline when you're walking through grocery stores and looking at stuff.
Noticing if cars are following you.
Like people are so stuck on social media that they're failing to pay attention to things around them.
And that's why we're seeing more and more crime happen because, you know, when I was a kid, we didn't have all that to look at.
You know, the internet was just kind of coming into play.
So we had to learn to walk around with our head up and talk and look and be and bounce around, you know, and that's something that we've got to get back to.
I think I really, I've talked about this with somebody before, but I've never talked about it on the show.
Like, I think the double edge of social media is honestly like, yeah, we can all say like, oh, it's the reason why it's chaotic.
It really is.
And it's also a big contributor to why people have gotten ideas.
Like I'm, I'm, I was born in 98.
So like I still got like the last little taste of like dial up.
I still remember the, you know, all that sound.
And my dad had the Nokia, you know, walkie-talkie phone where you're just doing a chirp phone.
Like I still had the normal childhood before really the gear on social media got kicked up and before the iPhone.
Like I can remember these days.
But, you know, back then school shootings never used to be a thing.
And now they're so prevalent.
But I think, you know, the reason why these things have become so prevalent is because like, okay, when you go on social media, you're now getting new ideas before you had, yeah, it's like now when people have anger or they feel upset, their thing is, well, I've seen somebody go and get attention from shooting up a school and now I've been exposed to that idea.
Okay, let me go and do that too.
So like back, you know, when you didn't have the social media, back when you didn't have the phones, you know, only news is really just like whatever's happening, maybe on a local or whatever was being controlled on the national, but people weren't getting like new ideas constantly in their feed of like ways to be degenerate and ways to like ruin society because the information is not as widespread to like, oh, I can do that.
Like everything was a little bit more innocent.
And now you've got 10 year olds that are getting information.
You know about there.
I'm sure they're seeing school shootings, they're seeing all the different things on the internet that your parents can't control people crashing out, exact violence, you know.
Then they get new ideas and they're raised with that.
I mean, this social media has been such a great tool, but it's also been our biggest downfall.
You know, look at the decline in, you know, marriages.
Look at the decline in relationships between men and women.
You know, now you went from, like you said earlier, being in your bubble, like you you, you got your news.
It was local, it was that area, that's what you heard about, unless it came on late at night, like on the nightly news, and you got to hear about some stuff that happened around the world.
But you know, back then you you you, you met a girl and fell in love with a girl that you went to high school with and you know you, that was it your, your pond was small.
But now they have dating apps and now it's like you get, you get women and men who have this.
They're, they're brainwashed.
Instead of going into a relationship, they go into a relationship with this idea that okay, if this doesn't work, I can just swipe right again and find someone else.
Like that's.
That wasn't the mentality then, like you got into a relationship and you went, okay, this is it.
Now we've got to fight and make this work um, but now it's like well, i've got all these options.
So it's like if this doesn't work out well, i'll just swipe over here or i'll do this and that.
So it's creating a void now to where you know.
And then then you've got access to porn because of the internet free, which is also contributing to to relationship downfalls and and things like that.
Uh, you know pregnancies and all that.
So it's, it's a great tool if used properly, but that's what we have to do to succeed in this world and to survive in it is, we have to learn how to use it for its good, ignore its bad and also stay with that old school mindset of situational awareness, looking around and trying to live kind of off the grid.
Have that same mindset.
Um, it's good to use gps, but maybe you should leave the phone at home sometimes and drive around your city and just learn the city.
My memory, you know my memory, and things like that.
You know, people are so disassociated from where food comes from.
You know, like if I post a hunting picture, you know i'll get some crazy, fucking blue-haired nitwit going.
Oh my god, oh my god.
That poor animal.
I'm like like bitch.
Where do you think food comes from?
Like you think I just killed this animal that skipped off while I was listening to thriller.
Yeah, like I.
I gutted it and cleaned it, you dressed it and quartered it and put it in a freezer and I ate it and fed my family, like i'm not some barbarian, i'm not going around just shooting animals for and giggles.
I'm using it because God provided those animals for us to eat, for sustenance and to maintain our health, and we're not eating good food anymore, we're eating shitty food, food that's created by technology yet again.
So it's like technology is good but people still got to pull back and and still live like they're.
You know 90s badasses.
You know we, we need to get back to.
You know Rambo, Jean Claude Van Dam, Sylvester Stallone, all that.
And you know men, Alpha Men I, I think now, with the new age of Ai right and the for You algorithm, honestly tick tock, uh did a number.
It completely changed the social media scape.
Uh, even x sometimes is now becoming unbearable for me, as i'm like first thing on, it's like, what do you want to try to rage, bait me about?
Or let me see something chaotic that's happening?
Um, so the, the whole for you algorithm, I think, is something that's becoming the whole echo chamber and right, it was crazy.
I gotta find this video, but there was this uh Russian KGB agent that you know years ago laid out the exact timeline and they basically, Bezmanoff yeah, you're talking about um, you're talking about uh, I forget he.
He basically said, this is what the Russians are doing.
He said we're gonna go in and slowly yeah, we're basically gonna slowly tear apart America over decades.
It's not gonna be something that people realize.
That's happening now and I I should have had this video ready but, like I, I honestly forgot about it.
But he lays out exactly what the KGB and like this whole espionage.
They're like, look, you do it over generations and then you get them to fight themselves and this is exactly how we're gonna do it.
And it was like holy, you know, 30 years later, i'm like this guy just played it bar for bar.
He he, he called it out and maybe they did do something like that.
Yeah, you got to read propaganda by Edward Bernays.
Rules for Radicals.
Saw Linsky, media control, Noam Chomsky you've got to get yourself in the game.
You've got to earn, understand propaganda and dark psychology, because these are the tools they're using on you and once you can understand the, their fighting style, then you can fight back.
You know.
You know i'm beyond the, the name calling anymore.
They used to call us white supremacist Nazi, like that.
I'm like, send it dude, I don't give a, you call me whatever you want.
You can call me a transgendered panda, fucking tyrannosaurus rex.
You know, I don't give a.
You know like words, don't hurt me, I don't give a.
I'm gonna keep doing what i'm doing and as long as I take care of my family and my family respects me, at the end of the day, that's all that matters, you know.
So you know, take care of yourself, stay healthy, keep your family healthy and safe, and you're You're a fucking rock star.
Dude, I mean, look, you belong on the new network.
You deserve a show on the Alex Jones Network.
I know they're going to line it up and it's going to take like months for them to get the whole thing ready, but I think you're definitely going to be on there.
I hope to be on there.
And, you know, people need to hear more of you and of your message.
You've always been a phenomenal communicator.
And I really enjoyed your time as a journalist at Infowars.
I loved your videos and your clips and everything.
I just, I'm, I'm, we talk about a lot of black pill stuff and we get into the negativity of all.
Like things are so bad, it's crashing down, but I'm happy to see you smiling, thriving, doing okay at the end of the day, and here with us tonight.
I mean, we're trying to get this thing started on the gray area.
This is our like 18th live, but we've done other shows taped.
Me and Tim are really enjoying doing this show and getting phenomenal guests on.
And, you know, I think we've got a real unique perspective on how you view American politicians and the whole January 6th situation, but also just you as a person.
And you're talking about like scammers, like just all the stuff that like I used to not even think about.
Now I'm like, okay.
Right.
Every day they're trying to get over and hit me with new money.
But, you know, I really enjoyed having an alternative perspective.
It's, it's weird because, you know, if I, if I go back into my past, when, you know, the whole January 6th thing happened, I was still a little bit more Democratic at that point.
So for me to see all of that, and I was in New York.
So, you know, a lot of the New York perspective, a lot of people are like, oh, these people are insane.
And, you know, as I've come more to the center, it's very interesting to have different perspectives.
Now, you don't have to agree with everything that he said.
You don't have to agree with everything that we said.
But in general, it doesn't mean that you can't have a conversation at the end of the day.
So, I mean, you know, it's definitely something that like I never thought I would be speaking to somebody who was part of the Proud Boys because, you know, a lot of the black people in the community, they think, you know, these people are racist.
And you guys need to stay tuned because this next segment coming up was something that I spent a very long time researching.
And I spent a lot of time digging into the facts.
Just to give you guys a little background, when I went and tried to find the evidence and the stories on like, why are we even in the middle of this shutdown?
You know, you've got the Republicans that are saying these things and you've got the Democrats that are saying these things, but what's, what's the truth?
How do I understand what's really happening?
So I was like, you know what?
This is perfect for everybody.
And I'll be the one to spend the hours to do this.
And it was something I really enjoyed doing.
Ultimately, guys, I had to use resources directly from the government.
I had to find not just going into articles.
Even AI was trying to give me some little bias.
So I had to like take, you know, the differences between Grok and what ChatGPT was saying and just like, just fine comb through all the bullshit.
And so the things that you're going to see, take it with a grain of salt.
You may like some of the things.
You may not like some of the things, but you know, facts are.
I'm here to diagnose the problem that America has, but not just that.
The main reason why we are in this government shutdown.
Now, ultimately, it really does come down to one thing.
And it's the main case scenario that everybody's debating over, but it's basically the Affordable Care Act and Obamacare is the main thing.
But before we dive into that, we're going to just do a quick breakdown of the government shutdown and what the implications are and why we're in the situation in the first place.
So let's go ahead and share the screen real quick.
All right.
So we're going to talk about when Congress can't agree on a budget, what ends up happening is the government loses the legal authority to spend money and it causes a shutdown.
So essentially, you've got essential workers like military, TSA, you've got traffic controllers, Border Patrol, federal enforcement.
They're still supposed to work because they're considered essential, but they're not being paid because the government hasn't been able to balance its budget.
So non-essential workers are people like park rangers, IRS staff.
You've got scientists, you've got office workers.
Generally, those people are sent home.
And every week that this agency, every week that the shutdown goes, it gets worse and worse.
And these people rely on the paychecks.
And I'm sure everybody has seen, you know, they'll get back paid, but imagine you not getting paid this entire time and being expected to put in hella hours.
So let's go into what's going on.
So at the center of this, like I said, is the Affordable Care Act.
The Affordable Care Act is something that was issued by Obama back in the day.
And the thing is, the Democrats and the Republicans are debating over this issue because it is something that has been part of the government's process these last, you know, this last year, the ACA and all the things that are coming out with this were supposed to expire.
So let me help you guys understand what Obamacare is.
And we're going to talk about it in terms of a subsidy.
Subsidy, meaning it generally aims to promote a public good such as education, healthcare, agriculture, or renewable energy, and to lower the cost of goods or services for consumer.
Definition, a subsidy is a form of financial assistance provided by the government to support a specific economic sector or activity.
So subsidies are exactly what this whole issue is about.
So you've got back in 2021, or really before that in 2010, Obama comes out with a plan in order to get underinsured Americans health insurance.
So in 2021, what ended up happening is Biden had this program called the American Rescue Plan, which basically boosted the subsidies that were being provided for the people that were on Obamacare.
And so those enhanced subsidies were extended through 2025.
They said 2021, we're going to pay more and eliminate what we call this cliff, this 400% cliff.
It'll all make sense once I guys go through the chart and show you guys, but just understand that there was no cliff anymore where there was a sudden drop off for people who qualified for this program.
And essentially, what's happening is if this thing is not solved by the end of 2025, you're going to see those subsidies that were boosted by Biden's American Rescue Plan disappear.
So the Democrats want to extend it so that people don't just get crushed by the higher premiums that come once this is gone.
But the Republicans, they want it to expire and they want to go back to the original way that Obamacare was written prior to Biden because they're like, you're spending a bunch of money.
But we need to actually understand what even is Obamacare and what it was like before 2010 to really understand the importance.
And we'll come to this chart in a little bit.
But the main thing that we need to understand is back in 2010, the United States healthcare system was a complete disaster, guys.
If you had a big company, you know, they had jobs and they had benefits and everything.
But if you were self-employed or working for a small business or you lost your job, you were basically screwed.
You know, small businesses were getting hammered by rising premiums from expensive health care costs rising, and they started dropping healthcare insurance from their employees' benefits because they just couldn't simply afford it.
Okay.
And so if you tried to buy your own insurance, companies could actually deny you for pre-existing conditions.
So like if you had asthma, if you had like diabetes, maybe pregnancy depression or even acne, they could actually decide and exclude what you actually needed from the actual care plan that you had or straight up deny you for the insurance overall.
And then also sometimes because you were considered a risk, they could be like, well, you know what?
We'll charge you more because you're a higher risk.
So this became a massive issue back before 2010.
And so back in 2010, you had about 50 million Americans that were underinsured or had no insurance whatsoever.
And you're pretty much at that point, you're one bad accident away from having a major bankruptcy.
So this is where Biden Obama steps in.
He's like, this is one of the things that he ran and campaigned on.
And, you know, he did try to follow through to his best of his ability with something like this.
But essentially, he created this thing called the Affordable Care Act.
And the reason why they call it Obamacare is because Obama was the one that pushed this and made it.
But it's really called the Affordable Care Act.
So basically, the goals of the Affordable Care Act was essentially, okay, we need to make insurance affordable.
We need to protect people existing preconditions and we need to have a slow way for rising healthcare costs.
So now we can go to this next chart, kind of show you guys the pros and cons.
And look, we're having to set the backdrop for all of this so that you guys are fully informed and fully understand what's going on, because the history is always proving what's happening in the future.
So these are the pros and cons of Obamacare.
But in general, with Obamacare, there were rules that they set.
Okay.
So you're not the insurance essentially with Obamacare and how they put these systems out there.
They said, okay, there's no denying or dropping people for pre-existing conditions.
You got to cover essential health benefits and hospital care, like pregnancies, prescriptions, mental health.
And then kids can stay on their plan until 26 years old.
And then the employers, essentially, companies with 50 plus employees have to insure or they pay a fine.
Didn't matter how big your small business was.
If you had 50 plus people, this is what they were going to do to you.
And then you had a marketplace for subsidies, essentially.
So people can buy insurance on healthcare.gov and the government gives them like income-based subsidies to lower their monthly premiums and get you the help that you needed.
And essentially, it expanded Medicaid and expanded the include low-income adults above the poverty line.
And then it also, some of the states refused, you know, so there was a lot of fees that came with this.
But if you look at this chart, guys, you got pros, you got cons, but essentially, you know, the pros of this is like, yeah, I mean, you had a millions of people that were now insured.
I mean, you had people that had pre-existing conditions.
They weren't getting denied anymore.
And then you had, you know, 10 essential healthcare plans that were now covered.
And then obviously, you know, staying on your parents' plan until you're 26, this actually kind of benefited me because I was definitely using my parents' plan back in the days when I was 12.
So, I mean, not everything was so bad, but here's the cons.
So the thing with how this works is you also now have new taxes that need to be able to fund this because a subsidy is not just magically appearing.
It has to be put on the balance sheet.
It's something that's coming directly from the government, guys.
So there was an individual mandate that made the penalty, like if you weren't going to go and take and follow these insurance, the new insurance rules, they were basically taxing people who didn't want to use Obamacare.
So even if you were just a regular guy who had your own private insurance and you decided, okay, I'm not going to switch over to this, ACA actually taxed you and you were still paying into that program as like a small penalty for not using it.
So that's pretty wild.
And then also, you know, prices still rose overall.
So, I mean, let's go ahead and fast forward to 2021.
Okay.
So, no, we'll leave it here.
So, pretty much what happens is in 2021, like I said, Biden came out with this new plan.
He basically increased the subsidies for everybody because obviously COVID happened.
You had a lot of people that were struggling financially.
And this was one of those things he wanted to do for the Democrats and get a win, essentially.
So we'll look at this chart.
And it basically, what he did was remove this 400% above the poverty line.
I know it doesn't make any sense right now, but it will make sense once I break down this chart.
You can go ahead and move to that real quick.
I will.
All right.
So, like I said, that plan that Biden had put in place in 2021, guys, was set to expire in 2025.
It was only temporary.
And that is why the Republicans and the Democrats are debating it this issue right now, because here in about a month and some change, those subsidies will go away and that plan will disappear.
And no one's really talking about exactly what's going in.
Now, this chart looks very confusing, but I'm going to break this down for you in a way that you guys can digest.
These are real numbers.
These are real facts.
These are things that you guys can actually digest and look at and understand why this is so controversial that the subsidies are going to disappear.
Okay.
So for this example, we've got a couple that lives in Miami.
They're over the age of 55 and they are on what we call the silver plan.
You'll see on the left side, you'll see all these percentages.
All you need to understand is that in order for the government to calculate how much money they are going to give you in order to pay and help offset the cost, you lie somewhere, depending on how much you make, you lie somewhere a percentage above the poverty level, which is that second bracket.
Okay.
So for example, if you make around 21K, you were 138% over the federal poverty level.
If you make over 400%, your couple household income is about 90,000 a year.
Together, that is their household income, 90,000, that it puts you in the 400% bracket.
Okay.
So like I had mentioned before, if you look, that cliff is something that we need to talk about.
Essentially, let's say you make 90, 91,000.
Okay.
Back in the old Obamacare, when you made $91,000, it puts you, let's say, 400 and 0.01% over the poverty line, federal poverty line, you didn't get any subsidies whatsoever.
Yeah, that $1,000, does it really make any difference in your life, Rex?
So this is what Biden came in and was basically like, okay, well, let's remove this cliff, which is the steep drop off.
And we'll make it so that even if you make above 400%, we will make you only pay 8.5% of your plan.
Okay.
And we'll pay the rest.
And so that is what the subsidy is.
So that middle income bracket, that middle line there, if you guys see on the left side, and let me get control of this so I can point here.
All right.
Let's make this easy.
Each bracket is showing a percentage.
So when you say zero to 2% is depending on where you lie on your income, essentially what's happening is that you're only going to have to pay about 2% of the actual premium.
And the premium, again, is $1,800 a month, guys.
Okay.
So if you make $40,000, you're only going to have to pay $70 a month with the Biden version of the Affordable Care Act.
Okay.
So if that subsidy is removed, and this is where the Democrats are arguing, the percentage that you have to pay is going to increase because the old Obamacare, these were the percentages.
Okay.
So now instead of paying $70 a month, that same person has to now pay $217 a month.
As soon as you go back to the original cliff, all of these people that are making more than $90,000 a year, they no longer get the subsidy with that Biden plan disappearing.
And now you're responsible for that $1,800 a month.
Can you imagine that?
Like all of a sudden, overnight, you're going from a payment of $638 and then the thing expires.
You know, maybe the whole point of the snap shutdown and the Democrats being like refusing to move on it in any sort of way is they're like, yeah, once we show people, hey, your food will be taken away, your healthcare will be taken away, maybe you'll vote for us again.
There was a push, you know, with the whole Doge and everything that they were trying to do with that.
They're trying to lower cost in the healthcare system, just in the government system overall.
And they understood people have become too reliant on the government and we're spending too much money.
Now, where you're saving money and where you're spending it is another question.
But ultimately, their argument is: well, we should go back to the old way because we'll save some money this way.
And we're spending way too much on these subsidies as healthcare costs are rising.
Right.
But then, okay, this is the argument.
We're saying, okay, I agree with that point.
We can't have the government keep paying these subsidies.
But the problem is, is the Republicans don't actually have another plan for Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act.
And the issue with that is if you don't have another system in place, there are people that are going to get hurt because Biden already made the mistake of making people reliant on something like this.
And now having that subsidy disappear overnight is something that's not going to feel good.
And then there's also one other issue that they're talking about, which is like, okay, well, the government is paying a lot of money into this.
And the Democrats also want to remove that.
That way, or the Republicans want to remove that because there's something with immigration.
So I'm not going to do a super deep dive on this, but basically what you need to know is that states have their own budget, federal have their own budget, and there are states that pay for immigrants' health care like in an emergency room.
And so they have a pile of cash because the Affordable Care Act is only for American citizens only.
That was one thing that Biden did.
I mean, Obama did.
I kind of agree with it.
He said this money is for American citizens only.
If you're an immigrant, you don't get subsidies.
Okay.
But that meant that the states who really wanted to help the immigrants out, they said, okay, well, we'll basically cover it.
Now, if Obamacare goes back to the original plan and all those subsidies disappear for all that money, the state is going to have to pay more money into the system to offset the cost of the rising cost and it has less to go to immigrants.
And that is one of the debates that the Republicans are trying to say is like, well, the states just want more money to give to immigrants.
The thing is here, if you think about it, everyone else has figured out how to have free healthcare systems for their country.
America hasn't figured this equation out yet.
And it's just mind-boggling.
So this is where the segment kind of is now going to really understand the root causes of what's going on and why America, their healthcare system is so broken to the point that we have Congress that can't even agree on figuring out a solution to the macro thing so that we can benefit Americans and we can open the government.
If you look at the data on physician visits and hospital discharges, you can get rid of one theory.
Americans don't consume more health care than people in these other countries.
We don't go to the doctor more than Germans or the Japanese.
In fact, they go to the doctor less.
The difference between us and them is that we pay more every time we go to the doctor for everything from an angioplasty to a hip replacement, from a C-section to a pain reliever.
In America, the price for the same procedure at the same hospital, it varies enormously depending on who is football.
The price for someone with public insurance, like Medicare or Medicaid, is often the lowest price.
These groups, they cover so many people who demand lower prices from hospitals and doctors, and they get those lower prices.
If the doctors in hospitals say, no, they lose a ton of business.
They lose all those people on Medicare, all those people on Medicaid.
But there are hundreds of private insurance companies and they each cover far fewer people than a Medicare or a Medicaid.
And each one has to negotiate prices with hospitals and doctors on their own.
And if you're uninsured, you have even less leverage.
Nobody is negotiating on your behalf.
So you end up paying the highest price.
One study found that most hospitals charge uninsured patients four times as much as Medicare patients for an ER visit.
Other countries, they don't have this problem.
Instead of every private insurance company negotiating with every healthcare provider, there's just this big list.
Country, the central government, they go and they say, if you want to sell to us, to all of our people, then here's what you can charge for a checkup.
Here's what you can charge for an MRI.
And we don't do description for the Torah.
Whether that bill goes to the heavily regulated private insurance companies in Germany or directly to the government, like in the UK, each country is telling the doctor or hospital or drug company how much that I'm going to pause it real quick.
This is how I imagine the pharma reps and the lobbyists.
This is how I imagine they talk about it.
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In America, we have the best medical service around.
And that's why these hospitals and these doctors with the highest track record, they should be able to, you know, charge whatever they want to charge for these surgeries.
And we only contribute to about 3% of the healthcare cost.
3%.
And I'm sure a lot of you guys watching, there's a bunch of you guys.
We're not trying to insult anybody, but I'm sure there's a lot of people that fall in that bottom 550% who aren't, you know, they're living pretty relatively happy, healthy lives and aren't going to the doctors.
I could be up here giving you guys the boring long form segment where this feels like you're in the middle of like history, the history show or whatever on TV and just boring you guys to death.
But the thing is, is like these things, like I said, I had mentioned before, they are serious, but it's almost so bad that it's comical the fact that we're in these situations.
And I think me and you should put on Hitler outfits and tell people to overthrow the government.
I think that's the well, we have to be serious, right?
We have to, we have to tell people to rise up and all this.
No, fuck that.
We're doing coverage of the news, of current events.
We're doing a deep dive into this situation.
And look, this is stuff that I didn't know.
It's stuff that maybe, oh, I wrote Obamacare.
Oh, I represent myself as knowing it, maybe.
But sitting here realizing that, hey, actually, there is no blueprint for how much these services should cost.
It's literally like we're the only country in the world that has a blank sheet for the medical people to come up with how much they're going to gouge us.
Right.
Looking at the statistics, where 5% of people with the coverage are spending like half of the money.
Like, this is the real data that we're talking about here.
In 2022, the top 5% of people with the highest health spending accounted for half of total health spending and had an average of $67,300 in health expenditures annually.
People with health spending in the top 1% have average spending of over $147,000 per year.
That's six figures on the blimp creatures.
At the other end of the spectrum, the 50% of the population with total health spending below or equal to the 50th percentile accounted for only 3% of all total health spending.
So now that begs the question, you would think, okay, well, who make up that 5%?
Surely it's not just all blimp people.
Surely people who are some people who have chronic, but it's actually a lot of the healthcare problems that we have are actually preventable.
80% of them are actually preventable.
And if you don't believe me, let's look at this real quick.
Okay.
Chronic illness is up to 80% completely preventable.
And it's a little known fact that there's up to an 80% chance that one's chronic illness is completely preventable.
Understand that.
According to the California Department of Public Health, up to 80% of cardiovascular disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes, and over 30% of cancers could be completely prevented by eliminating tobacco use, unhealthy diet, physical inactivity, and the harmful use of alcohol.
Most of these recommendations are obvious on how it could be implemented, but smoke, don't drink, start moving around.
But eliminating an unhealthy diet likely requires some guidance for most people.
Okay.
This is one of the things that we're talking about.
This is one of the solutions, but it's like, how do you get to this level where you have enough people that are doing this and making the right decisions to even take this?
So you're hitting the nail on the head as far as like, okay, this is where the solution is like, why isn't the government spending money on programs to prevent?
Now you would think, okay, let's go ahead and just implement the same system that we have across the rest of the world.
And this would all be fine.
We'd be able to fix this.
And it's not that simple.
We're going to go back and then just go to that.
Go back to that 20, the top 20 link.
It's on the Chrome.
Remember the link of like the top 20 politicians getting paid.
All of these pharma and medical places have made a shit ton of money.
They have made so much money before we even start having these conversations.
Okay.
So by the time that the boogeyman goes and gets all of his weapons and gets all of his money and all the things, he's lawyered up.
He's got lobbyists.
He's got money.
He's got the ability to go and fight back and basically say, now we're going to keep this system in place because we got the money and we want to make more money.
So politicians, the people who pass the laws, that's what this all comes down to.
That's where the solution lies.
But why can't we figure out this problem?
It is because of this, ladies and gentlemen.
Please take a look at this chart here.
Okay.
These are the top 20 member recipients from money from pharmaceuticals.
I mean, look, I'm just, I'm ashamed at how little they sell out for.
Obviously, they sell out for the stock tips as well and all the other things like this, but really, it only costs you less than 10 million to buy like a presidential candidate.
And then these companies make like tens of billions of dollars every single year.
To get surgery on my uh bunion and uh it was getting very bad to where I couldn't walk uh through the airport.
And uh, I went and got the surgery and I paid uh ten thousand dollars and it's uh completely gone.
And any average American who uh cannot get healthcare, like I got on my bunion, I understand why they are upset, and that's why we have to make it uh affordable for everyone, right?
But I will never do so because I have been bought off by the uh companies.
The thing is, is like like we're like I'm trying to say here, it's like overall the healthcare system is flawed in itself.
There are some benefits.
Some of these other countries don't have some of the best healthcare in the world and the top research and the new groundbreaking research that goes behind life-saving things because they don't have as much funding.
But you know, here's the thing: it's not always that you're going to have this chronic illness.
Sometimes I just want to be able to get my leg fixed without paying $20,000 to be in the hospital.
I want to be so fat that I can be rolled down the street like a barrel and they can roll me straight to the hospital and I can go, look, I became rich just so I could spend money here and not die.
Guild it wheel you into the room.
Yeah, seriously, you're like, you're like crypto trading on your laptop as you're dying.
Honestly, I don't hate the idea of having single payer as long as like, hey, incentivize people for being healthy, though.
Yeah, you're like, look, if you've got like a chronic disease, such as like cystic fibrosis or like sickle cell or something crazy where you need treatment, you can get in.
But if you're 400 pounds and you're trying to get we can't discriminate.
Democratic, Republicans, they're all detached from reality.
They have none of the issues that we have.
Like 30% of them are fucking millionaires.
They all have money.
And the thing is, is like we can't even get to a point where we can just pass like a simple like emergency fund to just be like, okay, let's go get the TSA agents paid real quick.
So that way we don't have disruptions to the rest of the United States and all the air traffic.
But no, we've got to cut 10% of the air travel.
And I don't even know if I'm going to go home.
I'm supposed to go home for Thanksgiving.
And now I'm having to sit here and think about the things that I used to not feel.
I'm like, I should be able to just, I booked my flight three months ago.
But you know, maybe it's because now this is hitting home and like, it's like once it hits home, it really starts to make you angry.
And maybe it just hasn't hit home for Congress because, you know, Cash can still fly on his fucking private jets to go see his country music superstars.
And now they're trying to say, all right, let's pass this $1.5 trillion spending budget, but let's strategically plan it a year out so that this issue comes up a year from now, right around midterm elections.
They're not fucking playing innocent.
Are you kidding me?
They're strategically trying to play chess here.
You think I'm stupid?
You think I'm dumb?
I know you're trying to extend it to a year.
Why can't you just pass like a 30-day and figure this shit out like 60 days from now, a year from now?
You got to be kidding me.
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And, you know, at the end of the day, they act like they have such a hard job.
Is the Great Depression, unfortunately, 2.0, which will happen because of the choices of the administration and rulers of this country throughout Obama, Biden, and Trump.
They have the ability to like start thinking ahead about these things and the immediate things.
Like there's people that are going out voting on their local state elections and issues that go on there.
But the average young person is like, how am I going to fucking pay for my food this week?
How am I going to pay this $400 electric bill where all that money was being extra charged because we have AI being built and all the infrastructure that's being paid for that?
And, you know, at the end of the day, maybe our job is to keep talking about this stuff because as long as you keep talking about this stuff, you end up having it still in the back of people's mind.
Because the worst thing that could happen is that people forget completely.
If you guys go watch the previous episodes, we kind of break down exactly how corporate money and the profits and the inflation has not kept up with the wages and the money hasn't gone back into the people and the productivity has increased, but the money's not going back to the people who are creating the productivity.
I'm sorry for anybody who's struggling out there right now because the government can't.
And here's the thing.
I was on food stamps growing up.
I was one of those people on welfare, not by choice.
Parents made certain decisions.
Also, they weren't, they didn't have the same opportunities in certain aspects, but I'm not somebody who kind of I know that there's certain things that are the real experience to know what it feels like.
And the food stamps did come into play.
We weren't one of those family that's going and the people are like joking around and like, oh, well, people just go and buy like crazy shit with food stamps.
Really, they limit it to food, guys.
So at the end of the day, like for the most part, you're paying for food because that's what you need.
And then on top of that level of disorganization and monopolization of these companies eating all this power, the government comes in and kind of in a pseudo-control way, puts all these red tapes on like who can get treatment, who can get medication, who you can see in your network, blah, And you can't have a system where it's like organized chaos like that because organized chaos is predatory.
That's why you have organized chaos.
It's why that system is set up always in war, in domestic life, in the economy.
It's a situation that's designed to be suboptimal so the winner can always stay the winner.
And the winner is the pharmaceutical companies.
We look at how much they pay our people.
Like Bernie Sanders represents himself as like the billionaires, billionaires.
And there's a certain level of, I hate to call people ignorant, but there's a certain level of ignorance going out there where there's like, oh, well, the solution, tax the rich.
Here's the thing: the systems are already in place so that even if you try to tax the rich, the only people that are going to be immediately affected are like the doctors and lawyers who are making money from an economic standpoint where they're getting a paycheck.
The average person who has like who's a billionaire or is like a multi-millionaire has a business where they have a bunch of tax write-offs and they have a whole system in place where they're taking like $5 and then everything else is owned by the company.
It's owned by the company.
So tax the rich tax the rich on what you just end up hurting the doctor that's making you know maybe a million dollars or something like that, but like most of his income is coming from actual W-2, essentially.
Right.
So I want to know from you guys in the chat, are these things that are helpful?
Like when we do this segment, I really want some honest feedback here, whether we do this not only to just educate myself, but I actually just want to inform people.
I see a lot of talk shows out there and they don't ever really give people solutions.
And like, please in the chat, give us feedback on what you thought about this segment in particular.
I thought this has been one of your best ones yet because of the breakdown of, you know, there's this system of Obamacare that's wrapped up in the healthcare problem.
And everyone kind of has a like, you know, a two-second blurt response to Obamacare because, oh, it's a long time ago.
That's a great way to tell when someone's lying when everything is right and left-leaning.
And that's why this is not a political show, even though we do a lot of political coverage.
This is an analysis show.
We're going over the information.
And that information could be from a dumb clip of Mark Levin, or it could be something really stretched out.
We've gone into the deep details here, whether it's shallow or deep, a topic.
We're going to go into it.
We're going to break down: hey, what is this representing?
What's the agenda here?
What are they trying to do?
Or from a pure analytical perspective, like these numbers, we go, how have they changed?
How has this impacted Americans?
Why didn't we know about this?
Why were we kept uninformed about this?
Because the Fox News and the CNN, they talk about the racism, they talk about the terrorism, they talk about all the things that get the, oh, you get people so excited.
They're not going the number over the numbers of like, hey, this is how much things have become more expensive.
This is how much the price has increased.
You'd think if you were the news, this is all you would talk about.
Because it's boring to try to go and research this.
And it's very dangerous to release the truth on these things because you're going to end up hurting somebody's political agenda by releasing something like this.
If people were to see the table that I created, it's crazy because the Democrats could completely like silence this issue by just saying, all right, here's the facts.
Here's the numbers.
I haven't seen a real chart out there that really breaks it down showing in plain English as a fifth grader.
How much money is going to cost later?
That's what people care about.
They don't fucking care about the semantics of it all and like, oh, he said this and she said that.
It's like people just care about what immediately impacts them.
So I'm going to keep doing these segments, honestly, guys.
I know we've done some that have been in the past that have been like more war-based.
I was like, okay, maybe history.
But you know, I was like, you know what?
There's a lot of stuff that people want to know.
We're not going to restrict ourselves to just history.
We're going to cover like everything.
I like to cover these things about like what's going on, boots on the ground.
And I think the next segment, I want to do another deep dive on something that's immediately impacting you guys at home and dive into just how did we get there?
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Maybe you know something.
Maybe you want to point it out.
Hey, this system is messed up.
Hey, this historical pattern is messed up.
We're living through it again.
We have to address it.
That's why we're doing the shows on the gray area.
I thought tonight's show was really good.
I really enjoyed the interview with Joe Biggs.
And of course, I enjoyed your monologue.
I enjoyed your breakdown, your prepared segment.
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But we're going to keep doing this.
We're going to keep going forward.
We're going to be here years from now.
And you guys are the people that are on the boots on the ground.
Let's just read a couple of quick chats before we hop off here.
So now people are shooting that shit up when they haven't even actually looked at the, they haven't fully tested it to where it's outside of a diabetes.