Rex Jones and Tim Tompkins host Gray Area LIVE #13, testing a call-in format with guests like New Groiper In South, who slams Trump’s divisive policies—47% of Israelis allegedly support genocide in polls—and automation as a transhumanist threat. Callers warn of food stamp riots, Agenda 2030, and Maxine Waters’ district while Jones dismisses incremental reforms, comparing America’s decline to Rome’s fall. The hosts tease Sunday’s four-hour deep dive into weather weapons, chemtrails, and 5G, urging followers to join for unfiltered debate on collapse, elite control, and viral misinformation. [Automatically generated summary]
So we're going to talk into the viewers, specifically the big three, the people that showed up the first and have really contributed the most, which would be New Groiper, High Council, and of course.
I've never done call-ins before, but it's going to be nice to hear you guys's voice, but good to be able to have a real concrete talking time with you guys.
So we're going to bring the energy.
We're a little bit tired today, but he just actually came back from Alex Stein.
And, you know, he only started doing that recently.
But the cool thing about being in a big studio, like the one we'll be in one day, is you actually have like TVs and screen walls and things you can kind of, you can have fun with the graphics and really have fun with the imagery.
That's the day that we're really going to try to do call-ins tonight's call.
And it's just kind of like a little sneak peek, but we're going to really primarily put those for Sunday, but then we'll allow the queue to open up to a lot more people.
And then also, I only heard back from a couple of people as far as what Sunday's history topic is going to be, because that's also a theme going forward as well.
We're not just going to cover topics that we want to talk about.
This is an opportunity for you guys to be able to learn.
And the whole purpose, you know, it's kind of morphed into this thing, but the whole purpose of us doing the history is just because we all forget about history.
And it's very nice to tie that in and see how the connection of like how we got here.
And then also we could potentially learn from some mistakes, which is why we do it.
We think that issuance through the governor requires notifying the governor of the federalization decision and asking him to issue it, which would give the governor a chance to consult, at least consult on the scope of the state.
So, where so where does the statute say that issuing it through the governor requires either the governor's consent or requires consultation with the governor?
Is where in the text do you take that from?
Your honor, we take it from the plain meaning of through the governor.
So, that's the first step.
What does it mean to be issued through the governor?
For the governor to issue it, we think at a minimum that means that the governor needs to be informed of it and given the chance to issue it.
Go ahead, Judge Miller.
What is your understanding of how it's supposed to work?
So, if they, you know, they, the president, I guess, or the secretary of defense, you know, writes up the order, sends it to the governor.
Um, if the governor then, you know, looks at it, says, you know, this is interesting, sticks it in his drawer, and goes out to lunch, what happens then?
Yeah, so I mean, you're running into an issue where Newsom does not want the National Guard of California to be federalized.
He doesn't want them to go in and kind of do what Trump's doing around all these big cities.
And it's kind of a narrative as to where, like, the local governance, the mayors in various cities there, and the governor himself, they're kind of protesting against the ICE raids.
They're very anti-that, and they're trying to make a stand on that front.
But Trump has essentially said, I don't care.
I have the legal ability to do this, so I'm going to do it.
Now, as far as having police on the street, which is the standard, I think everyone has always hated that.
Depends on who you are, and it depends on what the situation is.
I mean, I remember when New York City had a lot more police presence, and I didn't necessarily feel offended by it.
I was like, you know what?
As long as they're just doing their job and just keeping crime down, I don't really care.
But I think where it really starts to become an issue is when you have like any sort of like protest going on, and then they really try to start getting aggressive.
That's that's when I see a lot of the chaos that starts to take right.
But I mean, like, there have been instances where the ICE agents have been shot.
There have been instances where cars have been rammed.
There have been instances where like mobs of people have attacked them.
And ultimately, you're talking about a very small number of federal employees, and they have to deal with essentially like the bulk of the citizenry or the non-citizenry.
And the thing about the ICE, that one's a little bit more charged than just having the National Guard because then you look at like social media, the main narrative for these people, especially like the ones who are pushing the narratives on the left, is like they're tearing families apart from each other.
So that is what you see on TV.
And that's the thing that you're going to go and create that rallying behind and why they're probably going to go out there and shoot them.
The federal government's power is pretty loose if you think about it.
Constitution-wise, there isn't really a whole lot of wording in the Constitution to really dictate what the federal government can do versus what the state.
And so like specifically in the executive branch, the whole concept of like executive power and declaring emergencies, this is a press.
I mean, I think Trump's set a precedence for, you know, the number of, and maybe, maybe he didn't.
So this multi-this new era is basically like, okay, executive order equals like mini, like you do as I tell you, essentially, because you can declare anything a national issue.
And I think that started really from Bush era.
You know, when 2000, when the 9-11 happened, if you think about it, the reason why we were able to go to war was just because of the fact that he declared a national emergency.
And then that set precedents for other people to be able to be like, okay, well, you know, we can declare all these other different things under like the Aliens Act, essentially, and say like, okay, we're being attacked and, you know, we're going to go and make this executive order.
I just don't know what to believe sometimes when he's having his little narrative and his story because he seems very polished when he gives his story.
And some things I'm like, oh, you know what?
Maybe he's not as bad as a guy as I thought, but I don't know.
I mean, it's all a giant nothing burger at the end of the day.
And that's why, you know, like we criticize Trump.
We criticize the Republican Party a lot on this show.
But at the end of the day, at least, you know, at least they signal to their boomer base that they're doing the things that the boomer base wants to get done.
The Democrats, they don't have a leg to stand on.
Their biggest leg to stand on is Bernie, and his biggest claim to fame is losing twice.
But he capitulated.
He capitulated Hillary and like he almost beat Hillary and people forget about this.
But Hillary came in with the super delegates and stole the whole thing.
And then with Biden, he kind of got pressured and he kind of dropped out and endorsed Biden.
I mean, Bernie Sanders is a very weak candidate, but it's literally just about how much people like you.
Pro-Israel advocate E. Al Yacobi, I guess that's how you say it, questions Ian Carroll's rapid X follower growth.
On October 23rd, 2025, E.L. Yacobi, a University of Pennsylvania graduate and posted on X questioning how independent researcher Ian lost 1.3 million followers and under two years background in Uber Eats driving.
Carol responded by detailing his roles in teaching bartending guiding, attributing his rise to viral content on corporate influencing conspiracy theories, amplified by a Joe Rogan podcast appearance.
The exchange elicited polarized reactions on X, highlighting tensions over influencer authenticity and ideological divides.
Yeah, I mean, I know Ian Carol.
I like Ian Carol.
Here's the thing about him.
He's just a popular guy.
He's not ultimately like a party plant like you, EL.
So at the end of the day, he makes good content, good media.
People want to watch his stuff.
And ultimately, what do you do?
You just defend Trump and Israel and genocide all day?
I don't think she's Muslim, but get this her family in Somalia, they're like ruling class and like they were like presiding over some of the slavery going on.
He's trying to get on a debate with Ian Carol who has a bigger follower base than he does to try to get some of that, you know, strategic, some of that attention, you know.
And that might be execution footage, probably, probably not too good to show that on here.
Actually, we can show it, whatever.
So, here's my thing about all these videos that come out.
Like, how do we know the authenticity of any of this or like where it comes from or if it's real?
Like, at the end of the day, if these people were a part of that militant movement and they betrayed the militant movement, like, yeah, you're probably going to get shot on the head.
Okay, but yeah, like he's very anti-immigration, of course, for everyone that isn't Jewish, of course, and all this.
And we'll go ahead and play this clip together.
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Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
We hear so much about this at home.
We hear views propagated by media, by commentators about what it's like for Muslims living here.
So, I thought, as I'm in Jerusalem, I'm going to travel to the Muslim quarter.
I'm going to speak to Muslims that live here and own businesses and see what it's like for them living under the state of Israel.
Is it fair?
Is it balanced?
Do they face oppression?
Do they face discrimination?
Whether they like it, whether they'd rather live under the Palestinian authority, whether they feel Israeli or feel Palestinians, just lots of questions I want to ask from them, the people who actually live it.
Can I ask you, what's it like living in Jerusalem?
I think a lot of media, they over-exaggerate sometimes on the issues because, you know, for example, if I were to just look at media and I would just look at like Instagram, you know, maybe I'm on X for like the black community, they're like, oh, well, you know, it's terrible being a black person in America, you know, and then like me and then all my family and, you know, I have tons of friends that are black.
It's like the reality on the ground is a little bit different.
You go and you pick the sensationalized stories about, you know, the things that are happening to that particular community.
Yeah, you're going to go find the people that are really angry.
But in general, yeah, you go ask the person who, yeah, your boyfriend just got shot by the police.
They're going to be like, I hate America.
Everything's happening.
But you go ask the average person.
It's not as bad.
And I'm saying that from a first person's perspective where like, I'm not getting right.
But they live in a country where like, here's the thing.
We went over that Penn State poll, right?
And almost half of the Israeli population believe that Arab Israelis, like people that are Muslim that hold passports, they should be denaturalized, that they should be deported.
And white people don't believe that about black people.
Like there's that old, there's the old boomer who has his own opinions and there's a large demographic of them, but it doesn't mean they're necessarily going to go and do anything about it, right?
Like I can go and this old guy doesn't like me or I might be in a particular room where they might be like somewhat racist, but for them to outwardly do something about it, the average person doesn't have the backbone to do something.
I guess I see what you're saying, but you're talking about a place like Israel essentially, it is a theocracy, right?
It's a Jewish nation, right?
And like they declared the Palestinians to be Amalek.
That's why they wage war against them the way that they do.
They're their biblical enemy and their job is to wipe them out, their men, their women, their cattle, their dogs, everything, right?
So at the end of the day, if you kind of have this small minority population that's living inside of the ethno-state, if they have to kind of like walk a tightrope of like all these various rules, they have to do like, I mean, are those people allowed to criticize the state?
I don't think they're allowed to criticize the state.
It might have been him, but he basically goes and like lives with, you know, the average person, goes around talking to different people, explaining their, you know, trying to understand their perspective on America and what they think about Americans.
Like 80% of the people, 90% of the people were like, we don't hate Americans.
Like we actually like them a lot.
It's our government that pushes this narrative and what they say.
It's just like, it is very hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that that would be like a poll is going to dictate because poll is only a subset of the population.
It's supposed to represent the whole, but in statistics, nothing's perfect, especially when you're talking about some fun clips for today.
Max equals two.
Guys, is the stream still lagging for you guys as far as the audio is concerned while he's pulling this up?
If some people could just message in the chat so that way we know.
And I can attest to that as a Christian that went to Israel.
I spent two weeks there with the church, and we had an incredible time.
We had only one incident where a small child spit on one of the pastors, and immediately after, there was an adult that came by and said, that's not a representation of who we are.
I see what you're saying, but it like my statement still holds true in terms of when you highlight the one scenario does not represent the entire population.
And I even have that problem with polls sometimes because of this issue.
It's like they say polls, like the polls for the presidential election, right?
We have a million of those that come out every single year.
And how many of them are actually ever right?
Almost none of them.
There's margin error, but like the margin of error is pretty high in what we allow for that.
And then also each poll, depending on which side you look at, has like different numbers.
And everyone's saying, well, my poll is correct and your poll is wrong.
And my poll has the real data.
And at the end of the day, most of it doesn't actually pick up on the silent majority of people that aren't really talking or speaking up.
Because in general, polls are kind of biased because it's the people that want to take the poll in the first place that will speak up in the first place.
I really got to do a deep dive into the controversial part about polls because back in the day, I was looking, I was like, can polls always be trusted?
And there's something about them that has biased in them that makes some of them not as reliable, which is why I never go through it.
So you think if you polled these people, if you did like a massive 100,000 people that you pulled and you did this big, you think that the view of the Israelis would be more moderate?
But here's what the Horetz poll or Penn State poll that's backed up by Horetz says.
So this is coming from the Israeli newspaper.
They back it.
They say it's legitimate.
To the question, do you support the claim the IDF in conquering an enemy city should act in a manner similar to the way the Israelites did when they conquered Jericho under the leadership of Joshua, i.e. to kill all its inhabitants?
47% of all respondents answered in the affirmative.
65% of those surveyed answered that there's a current incarnation of Amalek.
That's the biblical people that the Israelis kill because they're evil.
And of these, 93% responded that the mitzvah to erase the history of Amalek is also relevant to that contemporary Amalek, referring to the Palestinian people.
Trump warns Israel, West Bank annexation means end of U.S. support.
This is updated an hour ago.
So he said this before.
He's reiterated it again to be strong on his position.
President Donald Trump warned that Israel would lose all U.S. support if it annexes the West Bank, a stance reiterated after the Israeli Knesset, that's their kind of like Senate body, narrowly passed preliminary annexation bills during Vice President JD Vance's visit to Jerusalem.
Netanyahu's office condemned the vote as a political provocation by opposition lawmakers, while Vance labeled it as a stupid stunt, insulting to him and risking Gaza negotiations.
Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, Little Marco, added that such actions endanger Trump's Gaza plan and strain U.S.-Israel relations, drawing praise from Palestinian officials.
So Trump's being really strong on this.
He said it once.
He said it again now.
He's being very clear on this, which is a good thing, you know.
Because a lot of the time, you know, Trump will say something and then he'll check it out.
He'll move his position on to another point and he'll kind of try to appease everyone.
I heard someone make this point today.
I think it was Scott Ritter on Judge Napolitano's program, and he said JD has been sent over there as a BB sitter, like a babysitter, but to babysit BB.
Essentially, you know, and I like that.
And I think there's a lot of truth to that.
I think that there's something real there.
But you, Tim, what is your opinion on the long-term state of like how much we're going to be able to prevent them from doing that?
As long as they do it, you know, if they just move forward with it and they're like, yeah, we did it.
It's like that normalizing of like almost like a gentrification process that happens.
And it'll be slowly.
I don't think they would ever be able to just do an abrupt, like, okay, we're just taking over these parts completely and just slow roll.
Yeah, it would be, it would be, you would, you would, you would do it over like a decade, right?
That's that's how I see them doing it.
I don't see them being able to just like one year declare, you know, because the thing is, is the amount of backlash that they would have is not worth it for them on an international level.
Because Israel, as much as they preached, like, oh, we, we're, you know, the savior of the Middle East and we're, you know, X, Y, and Z.
They still need to cooperate with the rest of the world because they don't have all the resources themselves.
But what do you guys think, you know, like the 5G, like all that?
You know who Todd Callender is?
Your dad has had him on the show a couple of times, but he's just a military attorney who was one of the however many attorneys that sued the DOD during the COVID stuff and stopped the forceful vaccinations of our troops.
And he talks a lot about 5G warfare and the wide body area network.
I mean, they've done studies on plants and it kills them.
They've done a lot of these things and they say not to get too close to the towers anyway.
But I mean, that's kind of the world that we've been brought into.
Tell us about it.
What's your knowledge on this?
Show some expertise for the audience.
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I mean, I've seen a documentary about it that I thought was pretty interesting.
I think it's by Dinesh D'Souza, maybe.
It's called 5G Warfare.
It's on Rumble and stuff.
I just thought, like, because they pull so much scientific data showing how bad it is for kids and like, you know, developing their brain.
And, you know, so I think a lot of that stuff has a lot to do, a lot to do with the retardation of the population, you know, as well as the vaccine stuff, obviously.
You know, I should be more knowledgeable about all these topics.
Unfortunately, you know, I've kind of zeroed in and pigeonholed on all the war stuff because it's been such crazy news for the past couple of years, just Ukraine, Gaza, Iran, and now what's happening in our own Western hemisphere with the whole Venezuelan debacle.
I need to get back more into that sort of esoteric science stuff about what they're truly trying to do and the weather weapons and the chemtrails and all that.
And I really appreciate you bringing that up.
That definitely rings a bell for me.
And I'm going to do more research on that front because that is something we need to talk about.
And then like, there's a lot of just domestic things that, you know, a lot of people aren't talking about, you know, such as like the data centers and all the problems that are coming and the hidden costs that go inside of your electric bill.
You know, things like Klarna, like a lot of these things we're talking about internationally right now because that's just a hot design to dehumanize, to make it so everyone is ultimately paying into a system they'll never be able to get out of right.
What, what else have you been looking out there that has concerned you guys ever uh, read the I mean, i've never read it, but i've heard about it the protocols of the Lernodeldas OF ZION.
It is allegedly a book written by like Rabbis back in the day about basically how to take over the planet, and there's a lot of uh right yeah there's, there's there's a lot of claims as to whether it's real or not and whatnot, but it's one of these books that people point to as an example of like why, like x group of people is bad, and you know, I have to do more research into it.
I don't know a whole lot about it, to be honest with you, but I mean, Jay Dyer came on the Alex Jones show today and they were breaking down.
I think the book was called Changing Images Of Man and essentially it was great.
But I was driving down from Dallas like i've been in the car all day and I was able to catch that and I was able to catch some of him with Harrison not the whole thing and ultimately, in the day they write these books and you're like this is so insane, this can't be true.
And then you see who it's published by that book that they, that was covered today.
It was published by uh, Ghislaine Maxwell's father.
So, like these are, these are the things that they give you when you're decided like hey, you're in the academic program, you're in the Kissinger Group and we've got to decide if you're really like one of us, you're really about this whole dehumanization uh, technocracy thing.
We give you this textbook and it has basically basically our attack plan, our manual, in here and this is like a book from the 1980s but it talks about everything that's going on today.
That's essentially.
But you know, if you sign off on that, you become a part of the END CLUB, the IN Group i'm not sure about the protocols the Elders OF ZION.
Uh, I think that there's probably some truth to it, but I don't know that for sure.
But in closing like, what would you like to hear us cover next?
And uh, where can people find you?
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On x at South Baseop, or um, my website's dead machine.net, that's.
That's where you can find my Brooke.
But I think, you know, like the Metropolitans would be an interesting sort of discussion because the HUD secretary under Bush did a podcast with Danny Jones.
And in it, she said that 21, they found that $21 trillion was missing from the budget and went into a black budget for what they found with underground military bases.
And it's just, that's a lot of money.
And that's just like what they were able to find.
And so it's clear that, you know, they're pouring so much money into the metropolitans, into the underground systems.
And it's not, it's not clear to how big it is.
I mean, you hear rumors, and there's plenty of guests that, you know, your dad have had on.
I've gone, I've watched their shows and they talk about these esoteric things.
And it's, it's just interesting, you know, Satanism, how they use tunnels a lot of the time.
And they, they, uh, they put time, they have like trapdoors and hotels for human trafficking.
It's how they like kidnap you in the middle of the night and stuff like that.
It's a very dark corner that I think would be an interesting discussion.
Indeed, it's very hard sometimes when you're talking about things that seem very outlandish or wild.
You know, sometimes certain things sound crazy at first, but then there's news that comes out like decades later that's like, actually, that's true.
And that person wasn't crazy.
But yeah, we'll definitely do some research into like some of these things.
We normally tried to stray away from like going so much conspiracy theories type of stuff, but there's a great, there's a nice gray zone where there's things that are like controversial that are actually true.
I mean, the bunker, you know, Stanley Koove made a movie about it, right?
And in it, they talk about the mine shafts using that to build a breakaway civilization after the world ends.
And so, yeah, it does seem like over time they have just built it out.
You know, even the head of Army intelligence, General Subblebein, who is Dr. Rima Labo's late husband, he told her that, yeah, I mean, we've had these since the 50s.
Like it's super advanced, like the trains systems that they have, like being able to go from one end of the country to the other in less than an hour.
You know, I think what happened, all the lawfare and all the stuff, and almost getting assassinated probably pissed him so much off that he just doubled down on just not giving a fuck.
But, you know, it's like, for example, you know, Trump is worried about all these foreign wars.
Meanwhile, we have, you know, we have companies who are literally going to outsource, you know, hundreds of thousands of jobs to robots and nobody seems to care.
Like one of the largest, you know, one of the largest employers in America is just going to go 60%, something like that.
Automation is a very real thing that's happening right now at my job, massive complex, and probably, you know, 50% of the operations are, you know, automated now.
We've got an entire team where their job is just to go in, find things that are repetitive and just replace the people that are in there.
Now, they do try to, how do I phrase this?
When you do go in and you create an automation process and you no longer need the personnel for that area, what they'll typically try to do first beside before just eliminating that job, they will try to reallocate that to the places where they need help.
I will say, I don't like the fact that they're replacing people's jobs, but me as an engineer, knowing how ergonomics plays and how I see a lot of these people work, dude, working in a factory is a miserable job.
I'm not going to lie for some of these jobs.
For example, somebody will have to do an inspection, right?
Where there's an IV bag that goes across the screen and there's just this bright light that's just sitting.
And imagine you sitting there for eight hours like this, staring into that light and watching and making sure no particles are there.
Whereas a vision system could do that for you.
So it's like, it depends on what the application is.
Well, this is the thing, though, we've decided, you know, these advancements in technology in general for society or whatever, like the data center, like, oh, we have to have it.
We have to have the data center.
We have to have all this new tech.
Do we need to live in this new world necessarily?
And I see your point.
Like for that very specific application, Tan, that makes a lot of sense.
But I mean, I just, I think about the things where people are like, there's a large amount of people employed and the 10, 20 years, those jobs won't be there.
And where do those people go?
Where do those people go?
And that's when the universal basic income will come in.
That's when the true like daycare jobs will come in.
Ultimately, it'll just be a giant HR system run by like fat women that are God and control everything.
Well, you know, for me, the thing about it is, is I think it's, I think it's step.
Well, the first step was flooding in our country with illegal immigrants to ruin the labor market.
The next step on the progression is this automation too, because, you know, when you think about how they're pushing this transhumanist, you know, ideology, like I work at a, at a Fortune 100 company, and they were sending me articles about the, you know, the third industrial age and stuff like what your dad was talking about a couple years ago, like letters from Klaus Schwab.
Like it's clear they've got an agenda, they've got a purpose, and it's and it's incremental because, you know, if they get to push the line an inch further, then, you know, if they take a step back, they're still way further, you know, than what they were previously.
But now it's like we've, we've been conditioned to accept things that 20, 30 years ago would be unacceptable.
And so that's, I think we're going there.
I think we're going there quick.
I think that, you know, Trump himself, he seems to be concerned with two things, you know, just building his ego and then, you know, helping Astrial.
I mean, you know, the thing about it, and I mentioned this, and I seem to be one of the few people in my, you know, in my sphere that care, but like George Santos, he should have never been released, regardless of, you know, reading Trump's statement, it said, other people are doing bad things, so it doesn't matter.
And that's not true.
Government corruption is government corruption and needs to be treated as such.
But instead, he turned it into a partisan issue, lets off this guy who did, from what I understand, some bad things.
And, you know, it's like Trump's got a pardon for him.
He's got a pardon for apparently Diddy coming up is what's being required.
she's yeah go ahead yeah she's she's at summer camp and you know it's like he does all these things but then when there are actually people doing things that are good like alex jones trump is silent the abandonment of alex jones should will be studied you know in political science courses and in decades to come because what's going to happen and i don't think trump realizes is his whole base is going to crash because like people like me I mean, I'm not voting GOP anymore.
So at the end of the day, that's what I hang my hat on.
And I go, look, we were rendered guilty by default.
It's all bullshit.
And then the guy that worked the hardest for Trump, the guy that Trump said in his first campaign, he said, you are a great guy and I will not let you down.
And then what does he do?
He just completely abandons us.
And it's the same narrative from the first administration that we're now getting in the second, where it's like, Trump's a good guy and he means well, but he appoints the worst people on the planet to have all these positions.
I buy from local butcheries who have local cattle.
I don't, when I go to, well, when I go to Walmart and stuff, I don't buy meat from there because I don't know where it's coming from.
And the thing that's very interesting about it is I don't remember the specific name, but there's a vaccine for the animal that they give those cattle in Argentina.
And it's not healthy for human consumption.
And so there are certain regulations, restrictions on how they separate those animals from what herd and all that.
But they're not giving any transparent information to the consumer.
And at this point, it's one of those things to where if they can, and this is like the kind of the incremental slope, it's first they start with foreign meat and then we don't, well, how do we know where that foreign meat's coming from?
Well, what if, you know, at this point, what if that meat gets swapped out for this new kind of meat that they're trying to make that's made from the cancer cells and all of that?
It's ridiculous.
Not to mention it's a fundamental betrayal of his base because the farmers, you know, the farmers have been getting the short end of the stick for a long time.
And instead of helping them, he's just like, hey, we're going to bring in meat from a foreign nation.
And, you know, this whole thing, you know, as a Groyper, I'm a big America first guy.
I mean, we talked about this on one of our first episodes.
We covered the farmers.
And essentially, not only you have these situations where no one's buying the, you know, agriculture internationally because they're like, why would we buy from somebody that's slapping tariffs on us?
But then you also have the cost of what it makes in order to make the repairs to like these combines and these harvesters.
You know, those are using international parts.
So it's costing them way more in order to like actually service their vehicles and actually acquire the vehicles they need and lease those in order to like actually do their job.
And we hope you come back on Sunday when we do like the true giant live stream because we want you there for sure.
You're a great guy.
You got phenomenal points.
When Biden weaponized Swift against the Russians, when he said, okay, the global financial system that everyone trusts us to run, we're going to weaponize the payment processing used between banks and you can't use it anymore.
That was like my number one reason for basically like no one hated Biden more than me during his term.
I was like, this guy, like, he just signed America's death warrant.
This is how BRICS is going to become an actual real thing.
This is why everyone's going to move away from us.
You name it.
But then you got Trump coming in and he just kind of decides arbitrarily and just throws around numbers like 500%, 100%.
Just like, you know, he's not meeting with the economics professors and going over the numbers of how to do it.
He just, he's deciding whatever he wants.
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First number that comes is, I think it's going to be 25%.
It's, you know, Trump want, you know, Trump is just, you know, we use him because he is the commander in chief right now, but he doesn't do anything different than any of the previous presidents.
Like Biden did the same thing.
The Bush family is a dynasty who built their back, you know, built their fortunes on corruption.
And Hitler and Bush's great-great-grandfather or something was part of like the, he was like one of the heads that was part of the American side that was moving the money around.
They're a transnational global elite, as my dad, Alex, talks about all the time.
And ultimately, when the country creators, they'll just go somewhere else.
They don't care about the land.
They don't care about the people.
And even if they have long-term ties to the land, they just disregard it.
And it's so disappointing because you talk about the golden age and they don't do it every day, but sometimes they'll still throw that graphic up at Infowars.
And I really think it comes from us still believing at some level, or my dad's still believing at some level that we're going to get some help from the DOJ.
And I mean, he went up there and he met with Ed Martin.
And then like a week after that happens, Todd Lance just puts the kibosh on the entire operation.
And at the end of the day, you're talking about weaponization of justice.
I think that they won't touch us because they like the precedent that was set.
They like it.
And you see, Trump signaled about the voting machines.
And I saw a clip of him today.
I think it was on the show, actually, talking about how bad the voting machines are and how they're banned in other countries and how paper ballots were done the same day, voting machine.
You wait two weeks to get the results.
And it's very sophisticated with the Watermark paper.
Yeah, I saw him talk about it today.
But Mike Lindell, he's got a billion-dollar judgment over his head too, just for criticizing the voting machines.
See, you're not allowed to do these things as Americans.
I guess when you're the ruling elite, when you're the king, ultimately, you get to make these calls and judgments about people.
And you get to say whatever you want.
But I guess the peons, the serfs, they don't get to do anything.
It's really gross.
And you make the point about Trump being deified and everyone worshiping him.
The day he got shot, I pulled the cross out of my shirt and I said, people need to vote for this guy because he's anti-war and that's why they want to kill him.
No one's been war pro-war.
And then he goes and signals, oh, I stopped seven wars and all this crazy shit.
And, you know, like being, you know, like migrant, a boat full of migrants.
I mean, ultimately, you know, I don't have sympathy for drug cartels.
I really don't.
I mean, but, you know, it's like, I mean, does our government like, like, did Obama use drones to hit hospitals?
Yes, he did.
I mean, you know, in Syria, the Middle East.
I mean, he's all of this has been done before, you know, but at the end of the day, it's just, it's just corruption.
Like, for example, going back to the, you know, the DOJ stuff, I saw an article, I think, today or yesterday.
Trump has asked the DOJ to pay him like a quarter of a billion dollars as a settlement for their persecution of him.
I mean, where's that love for all the other people who are getting persecuted by the DOJ?
Not to be found.
It's like, it's like, we can't even like actual people who actually care for this nation can't get relief from just not like Alex wasn't even asking for a settlement and, you know, all that yet.
But that hasn't even been broached.
It's like, let me keep the thing that I've built.
Let me promote freedom.
Let me have my own identity.
Let me have freedom of speech.
And like, no, no, no, you're good.
No, we're, we've used you.
You know, like Trump went on InfoWars.
He used Alex.
He chewed him up and he spit him out.
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And it is the most disgusting thing politically that I have ever seen.
And the more I see Alex, you know, struggle with that reality, the more angry I get.
Not at Alex, because Alex wants to hope the best, but at these people who have used his goodwill and his genuine concern for the nation for their own ends.
And don't worry, though, because what's going to happen, and this is what they don't realize, is the Gen Z and the younger people, they're going to give rise to something really bad.
Like, you know, there's going to be a super nationalist guy, and he's going to come in, and he's going to say the right things at the right time, and he's going to be based enough, and we're all going to go, woo, you know, and here we have it.
We have, you know, something here.
And at the end of the day, too, this is what I rest in.
Justice may not be done in this lifetime, but they will stand before God and give an account for how they've behaved.
But, you know, the thing is, is, you know, like for me, for, for, with Alex, it's like, I respect what he does because, like, you know, I got red-pilled with the, with the COVID stuff.
And I went from the span of like normie sports guy to 9-11 was an end-time job within a kind of a couple of weeks just watching Infowars and stuff.
And it's like, he doesn't, he doesn't, you know, he plugs his supplements, which I take.
But, you know, and it's like he does, you can tell there's no, he's doing all this stuff at great cost to himself.
And everybody is just kind of, you know, they use him and they use his notoriety and his goodwill that he's built with the people.
And then when it comes time, well, you know, it comes time for people to actually, you know, step in and help, they distance themselves from him for political purposes because, I mean, they're, they have no conscience.
It's feared and it's their hearts are hardened and they don't care for freedom or, you know, because their children will get on the plane and fly somewhere.
You know, I viewed Rogan as someone that used Alex for a lot of that, you know, like niche alternative credibility to be like, oh, no, I'm for real.
I'm for real.
I have him on.
And, you know, it's been very disappointing for me to see all this stuff happen.
And, you know, if Alex was to do Rogan, if he was to go on the show and talk about the situation and, you know, maybe bring Barnes with him, maybe bring Robert Barnes and they could really get into the legal situation and explain how bullshit it is.
I don't think that the administration would be able to ignore that.
You know, and if Rogan was a real friend, he'd do that like not just one time, but a couple of times.
But unfortunately, it's like, hey, man, you know, like we got our situation.
But, you know, coward, like, I can respect people who are just like, I have respect for the people who are pushing the agenda because they're willing to do something.
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But the people who say they're good guys and they're cowards.
That's the point I always made about the Democrats.
You know, I was like, hey, look, at least like they're evil and whatnot, but they're united and they all agree and they're all on message on brand.
And then you have Trump come through and shatter that.
And then he creates his own offshoot of being on brand, which is just a rebrand of the neocon administration and reforming the GOP in his image.
And the whole thing is like, you remember, New Greuper, how afraid they were of him in that first campaign, especially before he got elected, how much hatred the Republicans had for him.
We did the show yesterday, but I went to this little event after.
I won't get too much into it, but there are a lot of those like young Republican type dudes there and whatnot.
I was talking to him.
I was like, you know, we've lived for a decade under Trump.
Since 2015, since he came down the escalator, it's all been his universe, his world.
And he kind of spoke it into existence.
He really did.
But when he's gone and when it's JD and Rubio, it's we're back.
We're back to where we were, but now the government has infinitely more power and they have infinitely more tools to do what they're going to do.
And people will look at this time, as sick as it is, and how disappointing as it is, they'll look at this time and like, well, we'll dream for it because what's coming down the pipe is really bad.
And I think we're going to get that time period, like you speak of, where, you know, real quick to preface that, I think we're going to get that time like the JDs, the Rubios, maybe the AOCs, maybe the Gavin News zones, people like that.
And it'll be kind of the traditional return to form.
And then we will really have that Great Depression.
We will have that real breakdown where the country goes to zero.
And then that authoritarian leader is going to come in.
It's so gross when you see these people and they're just grifting off of old people.
So I guess it's kind of uniting of the factions because Trump's ultimately grifting off the old people at the end of the day.
And sadly, like these boomers and these older gen X, they watch and support those kind of megachurch prosperity gospel dispensationalist pastors.
I mean, I retweeted this video a while back, not even a while back, a few days ago.
And it's like a black church.
It's like one of those black pastors that talks about planting the seed of the money.
And like this black woman comes up with her son and he's like, I'm ready for people to plant a seed today.
I'm ready for them to do them now.
And she's got 1,200 years.
She's got 1200 bucks for him.
And he goes, I told you to come with 2,000.
Like, I'm like, yo, like, but these are the same people that are in the White House, but they have, for some reason, it's some sort of spiritual sickness.
You know, like they're really the wolves in sheep's clothing, as Paul talks about.
They are there to, you know, like misguide and fool people and get people ultimately to worship them instead of God.
And I think that works so perfectly with the political system because we're supposed to worship our political figures instead of God in the modern system.
Yeah, I think at the end of the day, everybody knows that the system is broken.
It's crazy because I never heard my parents talk about this, but my mom was talking about me about this with me the other day.
And she's not a boomer.
She's like the generation right after that.
And she's like Democratic.
She was like, you know, I she liked Biden at first and everything.
And she's been Democrat her whole life.
But she like this past like, you know, two administrations has caused her to reevaluate everything about her belief system and who she supports and all these different things.
And she said something really profound, like we're talking about, where she's like, dude, they're all the same.
They're all, you know, the same cloth, essentially, at the end of the day.
The thing for me, though, is like, you know, what is the point at which this changes?
Does it require like a giant, like real, you know, I'm not preaching this, but does it come down to like an insurrection and we just become another Nepal or Philippines or something like that, where we get so tired of it.
And then, you know, people storm the White House and the Congress and just replace everybody.
Like, I don't, I don't think we ever get to that point because America has a good way of brainwashing already and docile people.
It's that, but then also like, okay, so we have corruption and then there's like corruption, corruption, right?
Like we have at least the basis of like some systems in play.
Like we complain here, right?
About like our perils and things, but like it's nothing in comparison to a lot of these international countries where, you know, I think the most recent one was Peru.
They went on, they, they are having riots as of like yesterday or the day before.
And it's because like, you know, their government systems are outright like showing to their people.
And you've got a large population that's in like extreme poverty.
And then at that point, it gives them precedence to be like, okay, you know, let's do something about us.
But we have enough people that are in the middle class and like even the lower class here have just, it's a struggle, but you're not like to the point where you don't have like basic things like internet to like distract yourself and all these other different things that a lot of these other countries, like people are literally dying.
And ultimately, we're spoiled and entitled because everyone should be spoiled and entitled in the sense of having human rights, right?
Like we have a constitution, we have a bill of rights.
These other places, they pay lip service to our system in order to work with us, kind of, but they don't believe in these things, especially places like China.
Really, the only place that's similar, at least in a religious structure to the United States, I would argue even more Christian than the U.S. is probably Russia, right?
Like that's an extremely Christian country, at least 83%.
So at the end of the day, it's going to come down to they're going to say, look, we can fix this for you, but we got to get rid of this whole human right, Bill of Rights Constitution thing.
And that's that authoritarian leader that you're talking about, New Grouper.
I mean, dude, even if you're making, you know, quote unquote good money, you know, if you're trying to invest, you're trying to do the right things.
Like, you know, you can't do business at the same time.
You know, you got to like pick one or the other.
Like, I still eat at Chipotle, guys.
I'm not sitting there going out, you know, to the five-star restaurants and just spending my money because I realize, shoot, you know, I don't, I don't know how much time we have left on this gravy train of like capitalism.
Yeah.
I got to go and do something about this.
New Groiper, I've got a question for you.
Do you think that there's any room for a third party to come in?
No, I, you know, I take this stance and hopefully I'm going to try to be as nuanced as I can.
I don't necessarily promote this, but I think this is a reality.
I think what you'll see is an uprising, like a true uprising.
And it'll be bad and violent.
And there'll be nothing that we can do to stop it.
Because I mean, all, you know, all the circuses that we have, like the modern day, you know, like the sports and all the entertainment, when all of that stuff gets, you know, pushed aside because people can't eat or they're, or they like to eat, you know, they can't do anything.
And this is the real, like, this is the real hourglass that they have to worry about.
Right now, if this all happened and it went to zero and everything, I think we'd see what you're talking about.
But there's a possibility for it to have a positive ending where, I mean, the police and the military, ultimately, if they're not getting paid, if they can't eat and their families can't eat, are they going to be the enforcer for the system?
Probably not in my approximation.
But you got the automation, you got the robots coming in, you know, in a decade or two.
If they're able to keep Americans on the plantation, so to speak, for that long, when you have an all-robot military and they send the suicide drones in and they can, they can de-bank, de-platform whoever they want, there is no real means for resistance.
So like that's the real timeline that we have to worry about here.
I'm just like, I know there's the, you know, black pill that we could, we could choose about like the future of where this all goes, including automation and what AI is going to do.
I mean, the fact of the matter is, yes, it has to get, it has to get bad before it gets good because the only time that real change happens is after some major event happens where it wakes a lot of people up and then we redefine because people are tired.
Like, for example, World War II, very bad situations going up.
And then you had like a big moment of peace right after that time period.
My whole thing with, you know, the AI, the automation, you know, I don't think it's necessarily the worst thing in the world.
And this is my perspective.
I want you to just not necessarily jump to conclusions about where I'm going with this statement.
I think at the end of the day, humans were not designed to just sit in cubicles or sit on manufacturing lines and do these mundane, boring jobs.
Like even me as an engineer, it's not fun all the time.
You know, there's, you've got the same nine to who decided this nine to five was what humans literally had to live for.
And you look at it, it's like 80 to 90% of people are unhappy with their jobs regardless.
I think the automation comes in, makes things cheaper.
When we find a source of that makes like power and electricity and energy like super cheap to where like, you know, the average person, when you have like a basic universal of something and not saying that like, you know, we create a bunch of lazy people, but we just have to incentivize.
But the thing is, we're forgetting the newer generations as you go along become more and more calibrated to something different, right?
The average millennial, I mean, the average Gen Z person does not think of the government in the same way that the boomers and those generations have done.
So if we're changing out the systemic problem slowly, and this is going to take a while, eventually you get enough of people that are like, okay, we're going to go this direction with the country.
We're going to go take these better decisions that actually benefit the whole because we know what it was like when our government was in the systems in place, creating the mess that we have today.
So while things may appear bad now, you know, even if life does turn out to be this, you know, the transhumanist agenda that they write about and everything works out kind of like the movie iRobot, you know, where Will Smith is attacking the robots.
At the end of the day, we know, you know, there's a greater hope for us.
So we don't have to like bask in sorrow.
But at the end of the day, like that is where they're wanting to go.
And it may not be America, but it doesn't have to be.
You know, it's like at the end of the day, all of this stuff that they're building, all it takes is for one, let's say, one nation who says, you know, puts ethics aside and just wants the best technology.
And they usher this stuff into us.
And, you know, like we already know that the military is going in an attack drone form.
Just to put this in perspective, I still believe in capitalism, but I think there is a way to have a meritocracy plus having just a baseline system where that helps the average person.
And if people are telling you, there's a big population of younger people.
Like even my, you know, my siblings have kids.
There's like, they have like probably 10 across the two of them.
They're teaching them different principles.
And I have to believe that there are other people out there on the silent majority that are like, hey, do you see this craziness?
Let's not do this.
Because at the end of the day, if you were to take the perspective, let's say we go back 100 years and they're like, oh, America will always stay racist.
And like that, that's what I rage against, you know, because like we're sitting here today enjoying all these freedoms that are ultimately paid for by blood in the street and blood in the field and blood everywhere.
And then you got people coming into our late stage system and they're pushing us over the edge.
Yeah, no, I would just say this: you know, things are not going to change, at least politically, until we stop, like we stop listening to the people who lie.
Yeah, the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
And as long as we trust to these politicians, we're never going to, we're never going to make any progress.
They're always going to do this.
They're going to extract as much wealth out of us until there's nothing left.
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And then they'll move on to the next one, next group of people.
And, you know, if we really want to make change, we're going to have to, you know, we're going to have to do, we're going to have to step into, you know, roles.
We're going to have to run for office.
We're going to, you know, I think more, more, the more realistic thing is, is we're going to have to just expose what they're doing live as it's happening.
This has been a long show for me and phenomenal topics.
I mean, New Groiper really carried hard for us, I'll be honest, but it's great to have another person to talk to that has, you know, kind of a similar frame of reference for what's going on in society.
But guys, overall, we're not just going to have selected people.
We're going to open up the lines as well for other people to join as well.
We were just trying to give some of our test streams.
This is really just a test stream and we're just trying to give some of our deep supporters that have been there since day one just a little bit of love backwards.
But overall, you guys will be able to tune in on Sunday.
We'll put out the number there for other people to call in.
And Sunday show, we may or may not have a guest, not sure yet, but we will be doing that history set.