Oct. 18, 2025 - Gray Area - Rex Jones & Tim Tompkins
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| Everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber, and everyone that endorsed but then votes for us is going to the gas chamber. | ||
| When do we start bullying, dude? | ||
| We have a solid three people who probably can have them want to jump. | ||
| Does that mean jump them, I guess? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If they vote for us, why would they be gassed? | ||
| When do we bring that side out? | ||
| I'm going to create some of the greatest physiological torture methods known to man. | ||
| We only want true believers. | ||
| Can we fix the showers? | ||
| Gas chambers don't fit the Hitler aesthetic. | ||
| I'm ready to watch people burn now. | ||
| We got to pretend that we like them. | ||
| Hey, come on in. | ||
| Take a nice shower and relax. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| They're dead. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| Well, I mean, I just, I don't, I don't necessarily understand the context here. | ||
| I guess this is for like some like local election. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like how retarded? | ||
| Well, you're talking this person released thousands of chats. | ||
| So this is just like one snippet of the entire thing. | ||
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Right. | |
| But this is what Politico released. | ||
| So this is like the juicy. | ||
| I'm not sitting here saying like, oh, that's the right thing to do from like a very like front standing person. | ||
| It's not a crime. | ||
| It's bad to do if you're in politics, but it's not a crime. | ||
| They're not like, you're not trying to lynch people or something like that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, I don't think they're inherently going to be like, oh, let's go fucking put some hoods on and go out there and hang them up, boys. | ||
| Like, it's not going to be like that. | ||
| It's more like people just ignorant. | ||
| They just say shit and they just make fun. | ||
| Like you're in a Call of Duty game chat. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| That's how I much worse. | ||
| I've heard crazy stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But those people, they don't mean it. | ||
| They're just trying to make their boys laugh. | ||
| Laugh and be funny and stuff like that. | ||
| But I also don't want to defend them to the point where like I endorse this type of behavior because I really don't. | ||
| I think they're. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's not you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| At the end of the day. | ||
| But look, here's here's the thing. | ||
| Someone fucks up. | ||
| Someone says something stupid. | ||
| They say something bad, whatever. | ||
| Do we excommunicate them forever? | ||
| No, we don't do that. | ||
| I don't believe in that. | ||
| I believe people have a chance in free society to ultimately goof around. | ||
| If you're in politics, probably not a good idea at the end of the day, but to come after these people, like they're treated like they committed a crime. | ||
| They get a giant hit piece written about them, you know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And like, look, here's the thing. | ||
| People are profiting off of it. | ||
| They're getting career advancement that these people aren't getting because of what happened. | ||
| They take this opportunity to get ahead on their own people at the cost of their own organization. | ||
| This tarnishes the organization's name at the end of the day, but they make the calculations like, yeah, I'm going to screw my boys for profit. | ||
| I love Hitler. | ||
| Here, clip that. | ||
| I'm sure everybody has been keeping up with this one. | ||
| But if you did not know, yesterday there were some leaked chats that were part of this organization called the Young Republicans. | ||
| We were kind of touching upon it earlier, but these chats are pretty bad, guys. | ||
| Ah, come on. | ||
| Okay, here's the thing. | ||
| For them, yeah. | ||
| For them, it's bad. | ||
| As a high-level arching, I can kind of see the case of like, these are just dumb frat boy high school college kids and just like saying crazy stuff. | ||
| But I'll give you my analysis on this a little bit after we kind of get into like what this is. | ||
| But I view these as hilarious jokes. | ||
| Leaders of young Republican groups throughout the country worried what would happen if their Telegram chat ever got leaked, but they kept typing anyway. | ||
| They referred to black people as monkeys and the watermelon people and mused about putting their political opponents in gas chambers. | ||
| They talked about raping their enemies and driving them to suicide and landed Republicans or lauded Republicans who they believe support slavery. | ||
| William Hendricks, the Kansas Young Republicans vice chair, you used the words, I'll let you do this, Tim. | ||
| Nigel and Nigo. | ||
| Variations of a racial slur more than a dozen times in the chat. | ||
| Bobby Walker, the vice chair of the New York State Young Republicans at the time, referred to rape as epic. | ||
| Ooh, that's interesting. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Peter Gwinta, who at the time was chair of the same organization, wrote a message sent in June that said, Everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber. | ||
| Gwenta was referring to an upcoming vote on whether he should become chair of the Young Republican National Federation, the GOP's 1500 or 15,000 member political organization for the Republicans between 18 and 40 years old. | ||
| So you're a young Republican if you're 35. | ||
| Yeah, it's 18 to 40. | ||
| That's pretty. | ||
| Oh, dude, this reminds me. | ||
| I got a quick little anecdote, and we'll get to the story. | ||
| You know, when I was little, when I was like 12, 13 years old, my dad was like, You got to go to, you got to do some more public speaking. | ||
| I was like, I think I already know how to do this just fine. | ||
| And he's like, no, no, no, you got to go to Toastmasters. | ||
| So I went to this Toastmasters thing with a family relative, and like that guy was crazy and ended up crashing out later. | ||
| That's a long story, kind of irrelevant to the discussion today. | ||
| But it's literally this event where you have like immigrant people, like Chinese people, Indian people, like Korean people that speak English as like a second or third language. | ||
| And the job is to like present a speech, right? | ||
| And you have like these like white dudes, like these like middle-aged white dudes that wear like blazers and stuff, and they go and like lord over the immigrants because they can speak English like a lord of the flock. | ||
| That's what this reminds me of a little bit. | ||
| But replace, you know, second or third language with just plain and inexperienced. | ||
| But most of these guys are young, though. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You don't have a lot of 40-year-olds. | ||
| They're mostly in that like 18 to like 30 range. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm going to create some of the greatest physiological torture methods known to man. | ||
| We only want true believers, he continued. | ||
| Two members of the chat responded. | ||
| Everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber. | ||
| And everyone that endorsed but then votes for us is going to the gas chamber. | ||
| When do we start bullying, dude? | ||
| We have a solid three people who probably can have them want to jump. | ||
| Does that mean jump them, I guess? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If they vote for us, why would they be gassed? | ||
| When do we bring that side out? | ||
| I'm going to create some of the greatest physiological torture methods known to man. | ||
| We only want true believers. | ||
| Can we fix the showers? | ||
| Gas chambers don't fit the Hitler aesthetic. | ||
| I'm ready to watch people burn now. | ||
| We got to pretend that we liked them. | ||
| Hey, come on in. | ||
| Take a nice shower and relax. | ||
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Boom. | |
| They're dead. | ||
| Oh, that's wild. | ||
| Well, I mean, I just, I don't, I don't necessarily understand the context here. | ||
| I guess this is for like some like local election. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like how retarded? | ||
| Well, you're talking this person released thousands of chats. | ||
| So this is just like one snippet of the entire thing. | ||
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Right. | |
| But like this is what Politico released. | ||
| So this is like the juicy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And also the Dems are eating this stuff up like it's fucking candy. | ||
| They're just like double downing. | ||
| So whatever. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| I'm ready to watch people burn. | ||
| The exchange is a part of a trove of Telegram chats obtained by Politico and spending more than seven months of messages among young Republican leaders in New York, Kansas, Arizona, and Vermont. | ||
| The chat offers an unfiltered look at how a new generation of GOP activists talk when they think no one is listening. | ||
| Listening since Politico began making inquiries, one member of the group chat is no longer employed at their job and a number's job offer was rescinded. | ||
| Prominent New York Republicans, including Reb Elise Stefanik and state Senate minority leader Rob Oort, have denounced the chat and festering resentments among young Republicans have now turned into public recriminations, including allegations of character assassination and extortion. | ||
| A liberating atmosphere. | ||
| The 2,900 pages of chat shared among a dozen millennial and Gen Z Republicans between early January and mid-August chronicled their campaign to seize control of the National Young Republican organization on a hardline pro-Donald Trump platform. | ||
| Many of the chat members already worked inside government or party politics. | ||
| And one, I'm a state senator. | ||
| Now I'm very important. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, dude, it's literally like, we, I know a guy like this. | ||
| Like, literally, like, like, struts around all day in a suit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Like, that's the whole personality. | ||
| So I'll give you guys a little background into like what the young Republicans are and like how the operation works. | ||
| But basically, like you saw earlier, this is a national federation. | ||
| So, like, there's it's members from 18 to 40. | ||
| They kind of like operate like a frat system for the Republican Party. | ||
| That's like the easiest way to like, uh, to create an analogy for this. | ||
| So, each state and each city has its own chapter that runs like independently with its own leaders. | ||
| They've got their own events. | ||
| They've got tones that are some moderate. | ||
| So, like some chapters are a little bit more moderate. | ||
| Some chapters are a little bit more hardline where they're just like, you know, spewing, you know, crazy shit. | ||
| But overall, they are connected under like one organization, which is the Young Republicans National Organization, which acts as like the headquarters. | ||
| Just like if you had a fraternity or sorority, there's one overarching one and they have a bunch of chapters across different colleges. | ||
| So, like, they work really closely with the Republican Party and they help like run campaigns. | ||
| They do fundraisers. | ||
| They do voter outreach. | ||
| And then they even technically, they're technically separate, separate, but they function as like a training pipeline for the GOP. | ||
| So it's kind of like recruiting for the next generation of Republican leaders. | ||
| And so they're like, they give these like young people hands-on experience and campaign work. | ||
| And a lot of these people go into like these, you know, offices of, you know, existing GOP members and they'll run their campaigns. | ||
| They'll do a lot of the free work for these people and the behind the scenes and doing the rallies and running around and like getting endorsements. | ||
| In my opinion, what it really is, and we'll cut back to the camera for a second. | ||
| In my opinion, what all this really is, is ultimately, if you're one of these like minor political facelords, like you're like a state senator or something, you have to have like a gaggle of geese, like a gaggle of like other young dudes that look nice and are like in like nice clothes and the suits and the sports jacket, because it creates like an air of sophistication. | ||
| Like, I'm a state senator. | ||
| Look at my boys. | ||
| You're looking like young Republicans now. | ||
| Like that, that's, that's what it is. | ||
| Ultimately, and like they approached you, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was at, and we had talked about this earlier, but I'll reiterate this for the people who just joined. | ||
| So, you know, probably like earlier this year, I had attended this like Republican event. | ||
| Like now I'm independent, just to clarify that, but I lean more. | ||
| But I lean more right. | ||
| So like, I was just curious about like what the political space was like and like local events and stuff. | ||
| Like I wouldn't go to a Democratic convention type of thing. | ||
| So long story short, I went to this event and the guy there, there was this, it was a bunch of boomers just voting on a bunch of issues. | ||
| They didn't really have like they do like things on a local level for like the local Austin Travis County jurisdiction, like things that people don't really care about. | ||
| They vote on and run that stuff. | ||
| There's this one guy and he's like dressed up like to the nines. | ||
| He's got like this suit on. | ||
| He's got his hair slicked back. | ||
| He's just like looking like a true politician. | ||
| And he gets up and he goes and gives like this speech because he wanted to get this chair at the event. | ||
| And he's just, he's, he goes after the event and he comes up to me and I start talking to him and I'm asking him like, oh, and he's like, yeah, I'm part of the Young Republicans Club. | ||
| You know, you should join young man. | ||
| Like, and the dude's younger than me, by the way. | ||
| And he like, he gives me his business card. | ||
| He's like, here you go. | ||
| And he's just talking. | ||
| He's like, yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's like the most like my all my radars is like, this is the most disingenuous person that I could possibly deal with in this circumstance. | ||
| And I'm like, there's probably a bunch of little minions just like you running in this organization. | ||
| And there was another kid that was next to me that was listening to it. | ||
| And we just joked about the whole time at the end of this thing and being like, dude, that guy was an NPC. | ||
| There's no way he was real. | ||
| People always talk about Gavin Newsom and how like polished he is. | ||
| Like multiply that by like 20 with this guy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, of course, I didn't go. | ||
| They opened up another chapter, which had like they had, they were newer to the Travis County, but they were a little bit more normal. | ||
| I went to those ones just for a little bit. | ||
| But overall, I was just like, I'm not, I'm not, I don't want to be part of like the fucking, you know, boots on the ground slop that I have to just be raised into one demographic and just basically be brainwashed. | ||
| Like, I'd rather have, if I'm going to get into political, I'd rather go a different route on my own and figure it out from there. | ||
| But yeah, that's my story. | ||
| People might have other ones. | ||
| Working you or trying to sell to you, dude. | ||
| He was definitely trying to sell me on it. | ||
| He was like, Yeah, we've got mixers. | ||
| And if you're looking for a pretty young lady, we do a bunch of mixers where you might be able to find yourself on the roof. | ||
| Photos are you. | ||
| And here, and mind you guys, I would probably be the only black person in that room. | ||
| That's why that's why they wanted you. | ||
| That's why I'm the DEI. | ||
| That's what I'm the token black guy that they can say, like, oh, he's part of the Republican Party. | ||
| But yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Well, let's read more of these people's messages. | ||
| Let's read more of it. | ||
| I'll read more of the article. | ||
| Are they down here? | ||
| Oh, yeah, just keep going. | ||
| Who's this guy? | ||
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Whoa, someone's been eating too much. | |
| I think that's one of the guys. | ||
| Oh, he's based. | ||
| Based. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, that's Peter Gwinta. | ||
| Oh, Guenta. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's always an Italian. | ||
| Look at Fuente. | ||
| Look at this guy. | ||
| It's always an Italian. | ||
| So the group, it says the group spoke freely about what? | ||
| The group chat spoke freely about the pressure to cow to Trump. | ||
| That's not how you spell cow in this sense. | ||
| The person writing this article is kind of an idiot. | ||
| To Trump to avoid being called the rhino, which means Republican in name only. | ||
| The love of Nazis within their party's right wing and the president's alleged work to suppress documents related to wealthy financier, Jeffrey Epstein's child sex crimes. | ||
| Trump's too busy burning Epstein files based. | ||
| Based Alex Dwyer, the chair of Kansas Young Republicans wrote in one instance, Dwyer and Katie Katie or K Katie declined to comment. | ||
| Maligno and Hendricks did not return requests for comments, but some involved in the chat did respond publicly. | ||
| This, the Italian guy, the fat Italian guy who's based. | ||
| Gwenta claimed the release of the chat as part of a highly coordinated year-long character assassination led by Gavin Wax in the New York City Young Republican Club. | ||
| In allusion to I got a burp, allusion to a once obscured intercene war, which is now spilled into the open. | ||
| The logs were sourced by way of extortion and provided to Politico by the very same people conspiring against me. | ||
| What's most disheartening is that despite my unwavering support of President Trump since 2016, rogue members of this administration, including Gavin Wax, have participated in the conspiracy to ruin me publicly simply because I challenged them privately. | ||
| Wax, a staffer in Trump's State Department, formerly led the New York Young Republican Club, a separate city-based group that is at odds with the state organization. | ||
| The New York State Young Republicans, he declined to comment. | ||
| Despite his allusions to infighting, Gwento still apologized. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Who are those who are offended? | ||
| Never apologize. | ||
| That's rule number one. | ||
| That's the big mistake. | ||
| He could have had a whole career out of this if you just didn't apologize. | ||
| Why not apologize? | ||
| Bro, you never apologize. | ||
| You double down. | ||
| He would have had, you know, 100,000 subscribers the next day. | ||
| And he could have become a big media figure. | ||
| He may still do that. | ||
| But the number one rule of this is you never apologize to these people. | ||
| I created during my campaign to lead the Young Republicans. | ||
| Well, I take complete responsibility. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I have had no way of verifying their accuracy and I'm deeply concerned the message logs in question may have been deceptively doctored. | ||
| At least one person in Telegram chat works in the Trump administration, Michael Bartells, who, according to his LinkedIn account, serves as senior advisor in the office of general counsel within the United States Small Business Administration. | ||
| Bartells did not have much to say in the chat, but he didn't offer any pushback against the offensive rhetoric in it either. | ||
| He declined to comment. | ||
| I don't like that. | ||
| See, that's just the left-leaning of Politico. | ||
| You see how they try to like phrase that shit? | ||
| All right, we'll break it down. | ||
| I mean, look, you see, Bartells did not have much to say in the chat, and he didn't offer any pushback. | ||
| That's the line right there. | ||
| He didn't offer any pushback. | ||
| As if he's just in the chat, he's just in the chat. | ||
| Yeah, it makes sense. | ||
| Guilty by association is how they're trying to paint. | ||
| That's that's bullshit. | ||
| A notarized affidavit signed by Bartels and obtained by Politico also sheds light on the inter-party rivalry that led to the Restore Young Republican War Room telegram chat to be made public. | ||
| Bartels references Wax as well. | ||
| He wrote that he did not give Politico the chat and that Wax demanded in a phone call that he provide the full chat log. | ||
| Yes, and we have that affidavit here. | ||
| And this comes from Milo Yiannopoulos. | ||
| And I believe, yeah, this is Bartel's. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| So this is an affidavit, which is a sworn statement that someone makes under penalty of perjury. | ||
| What an affidavit is. | ||
| I, Mark, Michael R. Bartells of Washington District of Columbia, being duly sworn, deposes affirm upon oath. | ||
| I was in the group chat. | ||
| To my knowledge, the Restore Young Republican group chat is the same group that Politico has attempted to obtain. | ||
| I was on August 16th, 2025, the executive secretary of the New York Young Republican Club. | ||
| I was demanded to provide a full log of the Restore YR chat by Gavin Wax over a dispute about related matters on August 16th, 2025. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The demand was made via telephone and, to my knowledge, was not recorded. | ||
| When I attempted to resist that demand after providing some of the requested information, Wax threatened my professional standing and raised the possibility of potential legal action related to an alleged breach of a non-disclosure agreement. | ||
| My position within the New York Republican Club was directly threatened. | ||
| After this conversation, I did not provide the logs. | ||
| I was removed from access for most young Republican communications channels, leadership chats, and his company email. | ||
| Multiple contacts also began to receive alleged details of my personal life from Wax. | ||
| After these events took place, I provided Gavin Wax's associate, Nathan Berger, with the archive logs of the group of the group text. | ||
| I did not have definitive knowledge of what happened to the logs after that point, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I did not give the logs to Politico under penalty of perjury. | ||
| And then that's him saying, hey, this is for real. | ||
| This is the facts because I'll go to court over this. | ||
| This is the truth. | ||
| So, like, what I get from all this, and I'll pull up Gavin Wax here. | ||
| I'll go ahead and pull that up right now. | ||
| What I get from this is it's the same political, like, muck-rak, wheel-and-dealing stuff that's always been done, but it's done in the modern context, right? | ||
| And if you're in one of these political groups, you're in a group chat with like the other heads of the young Republicans, yeah, like it seems a bit foolish, but at the same time, you know, here's my thing: the chat's bad, whatever. | ||
| Ultimately, there's going to be more hate on the people that released them and tried to make a bone off of it than the people that made the chats. | ||
| And that's the world we live in now because everyone's starting to understand the internet. | ||
| I guess it depends on which angle you look at it, right? | ||
| Well, I mean, from immediate, like their careers are fucked, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, they mentioned that several people are getting fired already for this. | ||
| Forget about a political career. | ||
| These people are toast. | ||
| Like, I'm sure they're all crying in their beds tonight. | ||
| They're probably not able to sleep. | ||
| It's the wrong attitude. | ||
| I think I could make lemons out of lemonade here. | ||
| I really do believe that because, like, this is a political op, right? | ||
| It's this guy, this individual right here. | ||
| This is the dude. | ||
| That's someone else's tweet. | ||
| I don't want to disparage the man. | ||
| I want to use my own voice to do it. | ||
| This is the guy that comes in and decides, hey, this is how I'm going to win favors. | ||
| This is how I'm going to become a political guy. | ||
| This is how I'm going to make my name in these circles. | ||
| I'm going to go betray the people that I pretended were my friends and I'm going to do it. | ||
| I'm going to get in with the end crowd because like this is a big pro-Israel guy, all this stuff. | ||
| He's a part of the end club, you see. | ||
| And the other people, you know, talking about Epstein files, talking about Trump. | ||
| Ooh, no, no, no. | ||
| You don't get to do that. | ||
| So, help me understand this. | ||
| This guy right here, he's the one that's responsible for the leaks. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Was he the one threatened, or he threatened somebody else that they need to release this? | ||
| He threatened someone else and then he released it himself. | ||
| Okay, that's what he threatened numerous people. | ||
| Yeah, but here's the thing: where's his angle on this? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| There's something in this for him that he's looking for at the end of the day. | ||
| Political favor and showing that, hey, I'm a part of the club. | ||
| I'm an attack dog. | ||
| I'll go do whatever you need me to do. | ||
| Like, this is good for the establishment Republicans. | ||
| This is very good for them because they want these people out of their party. | ||
| They want to have total control over their system. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They don't want to have insurgents. | ||
| You could take it that way, or they can see this as like, oh, he's a rat. | ||
| He's a snitch. | ||
| Can we trust him later on, right? | ||
| This is like this dude is like partying in D.C. right now, I'm sure. | ||
| But here's the thing: like, I'm looking at people coming out as Republicans, and you see like a bunch of these congressmen like condemning because they have to publicly say, like, this isn't the face. | ||
| But don't you think this makes the Republican Party look bad in the eyes of like not only just Democrats, but independent people? | ||
| This will be forgotten in a month, but these people's careers will be ruined for years. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| So, like, that's what it's all. | ||
| That's what it's all about. | ||
| It's a short-term loss for a long-term gain and control, which is what it's all about. | ||
| This guy didn't do it out of like moral conscience. | ||
| He did it to get ahead. | ||
| And here's him tweeting about someone else. | ||
| I know of a major DeSantis influencer on here with Mountain of Old Text showing his rabid anti-Semitism and Jew hatred. | ||
| Maybe DeSantis would prosecute him. | ||
| See, he uses a legal term over the contents. | ||
| It would be a shame if those leaked. | ||
| It's like this dude is just like. | ||
| He's getting famous off of it. | ||
| He's getting famous off of it. | ||
| This is like, I'm telling you in these big Republican circles, they love it. | ||
| And he's probably going to get interviews from this shit. | ||
| He's probably going to get a bunch of people. | ||
| But not actual interviews, job interviews. | ||
| He's going to get job interviews for this. | ||
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That's a good point. | |
| That's what it's all about. | ||
| That is a good point. | ||
| Here's how I take this whole thing. | ||
| I can understand the perspective of people who would be like, okay, this pisses me off. | ||
| Like, this is the face of the Republicans. | ||
| These people, this is how they grew up. | ||
| Like, this is a small subset. | ||
| There's no way that the entire Republican demographic all talks this way in certain aspects. | ||
| Like, you're looking at a bunch of basically college kids in a group chat. | ||
| I mean, when I was in high school, I don't know about you, but like me and my friends used to say some wild shit in group chats, just like as a joking matter. | ||
| And like they would say, here's the thing. | ||
| They would say things that people would consider racist as towards to me, but like you can take lighthearted and joking because then you fire back and call them a cracker or something like that. | ||
| It's not that deep at the end of the day, but the watermelon people. | ||
| Yeah, like I'm not sitting here saying like, oh, that's the right thing to do from like a very like front-standing person. | ||
| It's not a crime. | ||
| It's bad to do if you're in politics, but it's not a crime. | ||
| They're not like, they're not trying to lynch people or something like that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, I don't think they're inherently going to be like, oh, let's go fucking put some hoods on and go out there and hang them up, boys. | ||
| Like, it's not going to be like that. | ||
| It's more like people just ignorant. | ||
| They just say shit and they just make fun. | ||
| Like you're in a, like you're in a Call of Duty game chat. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| That's how I take it. | ||
| I've heard crazy stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But those people, they don't mean it. | ||
| They're just trying to make their boys laugh. | ||
| Laugh and be funny and stuff like that. | ||
| But I also don't want to defend them to the point where like I endorse this type of behavior because I really don't. | ||
| I think they're right. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's not you at the end of the day. | ||
| But look, here's the thing: someone fucks up. | ||
| Someone says something stupid. | ||
| They say something bad, whatever. | ||
| Do we excommunicate them forever? | ||
| No, we don't do that. | ||
| I don't believe in that. | ||
| I believe people have a chance in free society to ultimately goof around. | ||
| If you're in politics, probably not a good idea at the end of the day, but to come after these people, like they're treated like they committed a crime. | ||
| They get a giant hit piece written about them, you know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And like, look, here's the thing: people are profiting off of it. | ||
| They're getting career advancement that these people aren't getting because of what happened. | ||
| So, like, what I see it ultimately as you have people that are aligned. | ||
| You have like this Gavin guy in the city group, and then you have the kind of like county or country young Republican groups. | ||
| And the people in the city group who pretend that they're part of like the same club as these guys, they take this opportunity to get ahead on their own people at the cost of their own organization. | ||
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Right. | |
| This tarnishes the organization's name at the end of the day, but they make the calculations like, yeah, I'm going to screw my boys for profit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, that's what's happening. | ||
| That's my issue. | ||
| But I also, the other thing I see as a problem is let's take the macro level argument and you just think about like the frame of mind or like the whole encompassing like idea of like what these people represent. | ||
| Let's say these people do eventually get into positions of power. | ||
| Let's say this group chat never was released. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There is a certain level of like maybe they grow out of it, but there's also a baseline of like biases that they could be creating for themselves that lets them dictate their policies, right? | ||
| Who hasn't said something fucked up? | ||
| I mean, that is true. | ||
| It's like there are levels to fucked up. | ||
| It's just, it's not, this is like, this is like, I don't know, like jaywalking or like petty vandalism. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I do sound like a lip tard right now, but I am, I am like, there was a part of me that said in my head. | ||
| We're having, we're having a, we're having a constructive argument here. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| VP vice president JD Vance defended the young Republicans against the political hit piece against them supplied by Gavin Wax, calling the public outcry pearl clutching. | ||
| Vance pointed to the Democrat Jay Jones leaked text in which he fantasized about murdering his political opponents as far worse. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, look at this. | ||
| Here's the difference between like the real tone difference, right? | ||
| Where you got people kind of like trying to be silly, even if the content is fucked up. | ||
| And then you've got someone here that's like really like deep and dark. | ||
| Yeah, actually, I wanted to understand this text a little bit more. | ||
| So this is just JD Vance trying to provide a counter argument, just saying like the Dems are just as bad and this person's in a position of power. | ||
| But the person who's sent this text message that JD Vance is referring to, his name is Jay Jones. | ||
| He's like the former Virginia state delegate who ran, who once ran for attorney general. | ||
| And he's part of like the Democratic side. | ||
| And so these messages were sent back in like 2022 by somebody called Carrie Coiner. | ||
| And they were a Republican delegate in the Virginia House. | ||
| And then she's basically calling him out on these texts. | ||
| And so in like this exchange, Jones just made a shocking comment about like Todd Gilbert, who was the Republican speaker of the Virginia House and his wife, Jennifer Gilbert, who is being mentioned here. | ||
| And essentially, he's just implying that Jennifer Gilbert's children should die, trying to make like a political point that like. | ||
| Well, he's implying her children should die because only when people feel pain personally do policy. | ||
| Yep, exactly. | ||
| So like it would be like the young Republican group chat are like, yes, these people need to feel pain so we can advance our agenda. | ||
| And they're not doing that. | ||
| But don't you think that level of macro like psychology of just thinking like that is the dystopian mindset that you have to have? | ||
| Like, I don't, I don't, I don't, I know there's psychology to this whole thing about how humans operate and what moves the needle. | ||
| That's why like most of the content out there for like news is negative because that's what brings in viewership. | ||
| But at the same time, like this is, I'm sure there's another way to move policy other than like extreme despair. | ||
| But like this is the framing of the mind. | ||
| I really do think that we've just entered into an age where things are both less serious and more serious at the same time. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Elaborate on that. | ||
| So, you know, this isn't real life, but it's also real life, you know? | ||
| So like someone can say something, you know, and then they don't really mean anything by it, or someone can say something and they really mean it. | ||
| But the common denominator on both those issues is that it's recorded on the phone. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| It's basically like you, it doesn't matter what you say. | ||
| It's just the fact that it's out there. | ||
| People will take it as is verbatim, regardless of the intention. | ||
| The thing is about the written word, it's not like the spoken word where you have tone and inflection, right? | ||
| Like, I hate you. | ||
| I hate you. | ||
| Like, there's a big difference there. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| In the tone. | ||
| Yeah, it's like if a white person says the N-word when singing a song, they get basically the same level of reprimanding as if the person who actually meant to say it as a derogatory frame of reference. | ||
| I do that, to be honest. | ||
| I don't, here's the, not to get off the weeds, but like, you know, I know there's a large population of like African Americans and black people that like really get offended by, you know, other demographics saying the N-word in a song and they're like, that's our word. | ||
| For me, it's never been that deep. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, ultimately, you're paying for it if you're someone's music at the end of the day, right? | ||
| So they want you to say it. | ||
| I mean, Drake is saying it every other word. | ||
| He wants me to say it. | ||
| Drake is a Canadian as well. | ||
| So it's an interesting situation. | ||
| It's that half white that's giving him giving you guys permission, guys. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's very interesting. | ||
| But look, at the end of the day, we've entered into an age where I talk about this a lot on various broadcasts. | ||
| I also talk about it on the gray area. | ||
| When you had the advent of Trump coming into the political scene in 2015, everything changed because before that, all the campaigns, all the elections, all the parties before, it was establishment Democrat and then establishment Republican. | ||
| And Republican was like cut taxes and then war. | ||
| And the Democrats were like higher taxes, but maybe we don't like the war so much. | ||
| And that was the dialectic. | ||
| And it's a uniparty. | ||
| They were the same. | ||
| When Trump came in, you asked everyone first, second, and third time he ran, why are you voting for Trump or why are you interested in Trump? | ||
| They would tell you, I want a wrecking ball for the system. | ||
| I just want someone that's going to go in there and break everything because he's different. | ||
| He's quote unquote not a politician. | ||
| He's certainly a politician. | ||
| Now, 100%. | ||
| I agree with you there. | ||
| But that was the thinking that really fueled his rise to power because it wasn't a Democrat or Republican thing. | ||
| It was a populist thing. | ||
| And now we've really returned after a decade of Trump. | ||
| We have returned to the age of the uniparty of the establishment Democrat and the establishment Republican. | ||
| And that is what these young Republican people represent anyway. | ||
| It's the Dick Cheneys. | ||
| It's the John McCain's. | ||
| It's the Mitt Romney. | ||
| It's that spirit that's come back, right? | ||
| And these kids, they didn't fit that spirit, so they had to go. | ||
| Well, it's that, but then also you're conditioning the environment for how you want these people to behave in the system itself. | ||
| It's crazy because if you think about it, like there's there are former, there's, there's a bunch of people that are in positions of power and Congress and state legislation that have gone through like these organizations like the Young Republican Party. | ||
| And you just look at it like a mini club where there's expectations and a certain linear pathway that you have to follow in order to get into that position of power. | ||
| And it's almost like you're curating the political system from such an early age to where that's how it's. | ||
| It's like a cell culture that you're going to have. | ||
| It's a pantry dish, right? | ||
| And that's, that's what it all seems like. | ||
| And, you know, the Democrats, on the high level, you know, it's, it's very inorganic and it's manicured as well. | ||
| But like these grassroots event, it's just a bunch of like libtards crashing out at the end of the day. | ||
| And kind of rises to the top as he rises to the top. | ||
| And that's why, you know, you see like the Zorhan Mamdani stuff, that's why they have more success on that state and local level is because it is, at the end of the day, it is more original. | ||
| I would make that argument. | ||
| I think it's more original from a perspective of like, you get lesser of the evils. | ||
| But even I think his message is curated in that same fashion of a political stance. | ||
| So when you, when you attended this event, didn't it feel a little elitist to you? | ||
| Like the people like giving the speeches, you know, like they're, they, they kind of represent themselves as being kind of high class. | ||
| No, so you're, the event that I went to was like, this is when I, when I say like literal boomers, I mean, there's people that were like walking with canes in there. | ||
| Like, it's just like all the people that vote on like your local issues and have like their own like system in which they're like they they're they represent each district. | ||
| Let's say Travis County and Austin has a bunch of little cells. | ||
| Like, you know, how, you know, when you have like the House of Republicans or how like the Congress is made up of, you've got districts. | ||
| That's kind of how the system works. | ||
| But like, I didn't get the elitist perspective. | ||
| It was like, it was a bunch of stuff that like you and I being young people don't really give a shit about, but they are actually macro level issues that affect that city. | ||
| And these people are kind of like steering because they're the only ones voting on that stuff. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| Yes, the boomer worship. | ||
| You have to appeal to the boomer because they have the money for the political donations and they vote in the ETC. | ||
| The way it came off was not like that. | ||
| It was more like redneck like, we gotta, we gotta get this policy out there, guys. | ||
| You gotta get out there and you gotta, we gotta vote. | ||
| We gotta march. | ||
| We gotta march tomorrow. | ||
| We don't got enough of these Republicans voting here because Austin is like true and blue. | ||
| Like it's, it's, they call it the, the blue wave. | ||
| Like there's no, like, there's no Republican that gets voted into like position of power here in Austin. | ||
| The DA here, Jose Garza, literally like lets criminals out on the street, like immediately after they commit crimes. | ||
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| So they're like the little ragtag underdog team that's like, we're gonna take these districts. | ||
| We're gonna take Austin back, you know? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Your country accent wasn't bad, but listen, we got all these demon rats. | ||
| That's what we call Democrats, and they're voting real bad. | ||
| We got to get the youth out here today. | ||
| That is how it felt. | ||
| And I'm sitting there like the only black guy in the room. | ||
| And I'm just looking around and I'm like, I don't think I belong here. | ||
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Right. | |
| I mean, there aren't a lot of black people in Austin. | ||
| No, there really aren't. | ||
| Houston, Dallas, yeah, but like here, it really is. | ||
| No, there isn't. | ||
| But like in general, and it never bothered me because I was the only black person in my entire grade growing up, like out of like a thousand kids. | ||
| So like, and I went to private school. | ||
| So it never bothered me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, but the thing in general is like most black people are Democratic because they were raised in the Northeast and a lot of these bigger populations. | ||
| Especially the elder folks, they're very into that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so like, you'll notice like the Republicans are more made up of like these boomers because they're in the more rural areas. | ||
| They've got like, they're not urbanized like the rest of it. | ||
| So it was just weird. | ||
| The where the thing that you're talking about, the elitist thing came in was that one guy who tried to recruit me and be like, hey, young man, you should, you should definitely join our club. | ||
| We've got mixers. | ||
| You can find yourself a little conservative, pretty lady and dance on with her. | ||
| Like it was just like, that was where I got like the elitist. | ||
| And he had like this business card that was like black metal. | ||
| Ooh, oh, yes. | ||
| And it was like gold plated. | ||
| And it just like said his whole credentials and stuff and like how to contact. | ||
| And that's the disingenuous part. | ||
| But he learned that behavior, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, I mean, that's salesmanship, you know, and like whenever someone's working you, you want to get away from them generally. | ||
| Like, unless there's like mutual benefit or like symbiosis, whenever whenever someone comes up to you in a suit trying to sell you something, you're like, eh, maybe, maybe, maybe not. | ||
| Maybe calm down, especially like not necessarily selling you like a product, but selling you a service. | ||
| Like, hey, I can help you out. | ||
| Just come help me, you know, because they're trying to get something out of you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And I do want to give love to the other guy who like was starting his own chapter. | ||
| He happened to be there and I did go to some of his meetings. | ||
| Like not all of these chapters, like I said, it's like a fraternity, right? | ||
| You've got the larger overarching organization. | ||
| And then each cell runs its own thing. | ||
| So like you can start a new chapter. | ||
| And this guy and a group of his buddies had real intentions to start like a real grassroots, like do it proper because they knew what the existing Travis County young Republicans and how it was, just like a big old frat party with a bunch of like young people and just cesspool of people just trying to like get on each other and just like the melting pot of, you know, all that. | ||
| But they were trying to do like real grassroots perspective of trying to grow a branch for like the perspective of like creating real change without the slop that these other organizations were doing. | ||
| So I can't just say it's all bad. | ||
| There are good parts in it. | ||
| It's just that I don't, I haven't been deep enough to really understand how the whole thing. | ||
| I mean, the good parts in it are ultimately populist people that are trying to, you know, affect change in politics. | ||
| And what those, those people are going to hit that glass ceiling, that titanium ceiling of who runs it, right? | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| Yes, you're right. | ||
| If you try to do it the right way, you hit a wall at a certain point because you step on somebody's toes who is making or benefiting from doing the wrong thing. | ||
| You don't have to do something that you don't want to do. | ||
| Yes, because it's for the greater good of the party, Democratic and Republican. | ||
| It works the same way. | ||
| This works the exact same way. | ||
| Exactly. |
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