Oct. 17, 2025 - Gray Area - Rex Jones & Tim Tompkins
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| We did thumbnails of the judge with like laser eyes and stuff. | ||
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Yeah, then she's seen all this. | |
| She's so pissed off. | ||
| Whose idea was that? | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I was really pissed off because they put out an article saying that they owned InfoWars now. | ||
| And I felt immediately like, oh my God, they should be sued for damages because the sales on the Infowars store plummeted immediately. | ||
| When the general public came to believe that the Onion owned it. | ||
| I mean, me and Chase have all listened to the court hearings every time something big goes down. | ||
| They had this giant fake fraudulent auction. | ||
| Chase, do you want to speak to that at all? | ||
| Do you want to talk to people about the auction process? | ||
| I mean, that was the gayest thing i've ever seen since Lindsey Graham, right? | ||
| I mean basically, what happened was the Onion bid for INFO WARS and so did um Charlie Sissack and Charlie bid more, but the trustee awarded it to the Onion anyway. | ||
| Right, that's what happened's, future earnings. | ||
| That's what they did they. | ||
| They promised the valuation of the company and what it would do. | ||
| Yeah, so so they. | ||
| They claimed that by the plaintiffs conceding some of the money that's allegedly owed to them because of the judgments against ALEX, they claimed that oh, it's technically a better deal or a higher bid because, you know, instead of 1.2 billion they're only going to ask for 1.15 billion. | ||
| Right, and so like, that's how they tried to make this weird fucking argument that like, their bid was better, but it was supposed to be a cash only bid, it was supposed to be on the open market and they tried to do it closed envelope like the last day, and then they didn't even fucking offer as much cash. | ||
| It was the gayest thing i've ever seen in my life and it was really obvious. | ||
| There's zero accountability, yeah. | ||
| And I mean, they come through and they have this fake auction and the judge suspends it and it's held for like a year roughly, or a little less than a year, and then he says okay, I washed my hands like Pontius Pilot, it's back to the state court and then, of course, we're in Travis County. | ||
| The judge Swer Gamble is the same judge that did the trial. | ||
| She hates us. | ||
| She's a rabid leftist liberal lunatic, you name it. | ||
| But apparently, I mean, as of yesterday I heard Alex met with the receiver. | ||
| I imagine they have some sort of deadline. | ||
| We already have an alternate studio that ALEX doesn't own. | ||
| We already have alternate means of broadcasting. | ||
| Of course we have the great sponsorship over at Bigly to keep things going. | ||
| When the transition happens, I really think it'll spur a lot of growth, because you know people that may have been peripherally aware of the situation or people that may not have even been following it at all. | ||
| I think they're going to hear the story. | ||
| They'll be like, well, like what happened, will the Onion GET INFO WARS. | ||
| This is something that confuses me, because the sale was halted, but the families, or the court or the lawyers whoever they're gonna get possession of the url, because that is a valuable asset, so they will have the opportunity to use that right. | ||
| I mean, I doubt that they're gonna get it. | ||
| If they do get it, it's because um, it'll be, because the receiver just chose to sell it to them instead of somebody else who offered more money, but there's, you know what I mean makes sense to do the whole thing, though How are they going to own something when the person who is the face of the organization is not going to be there anymore? | ||
| Like, what are they just going to hold an empty skeleton when it comes to this whole situation? | ||
| Like, that's what they want. | ||
| Yeah, they want it so that he, so he can't use it. | ||
| So, they want to buy it so that nobody else could use it to support Alex. | ||
| Article that we read. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And, you know, I've compared it to like, you know, you get in a car accident, you're drunk, you hit someone, you own a mansion, right? | ||
| And instead of taking your mansion or selling it for the highest value or something like that, they've like spray paint all over it. | ||
| They have a bunch of people come through and like defecate on it and they just like burn it down for no money. | ||
| And they go, look, look at our justice. | ||
| Look at what we've received. | ||
| Justice has been done. | ||
| That's the analogy I've been giving. | ||
| Yeah, look at it. | ||
| We did thumbnails of the judge with like laser eyes and stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's seen all this. | ||
| She's so pissed off. | ||
| Whose idea was that? | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| The best one is the one in the HBO documentary, which, by the way, is one of my favorite documentaries, The Truth versus Alex Jones. | ||
| And the reason that I love it is because it enabled me to enjoy Michael Jackson's music again. | ||
| Because I realized that the same guy that made the Truth versus Alex Jones documentary on HBO is the guy that made the Michael Jackson one that basically painted him to be a child rapist. | ||
| And I saw how full of shit the Alex Jones documentary was. | ||
| I was immediately like, oh my God, Michael Jackson's innocent. | ||
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Like that was my takeaway from this documentary that had nothing to do with Michael Jackson. | |
| So I'm like rocking out to Thriller the next day, like, all right, I'm not listening to a pedophile. | ||
| They're these highly produced hit pieces that they do on people. | ||
| They deem someone to be bad. | ||
| They wage this lawfare campaign. | ||
| I mean, they spent like 130 million suing my dad. | ||
| I mean, people, it's almost like pro bono work, but it's not because they get paid by the Democrat Party law firms. | ||
| It's just something they get to do and pretend that they're warriors for truth, but in fact, they're warriors for censorship, right? | ||
| And like, I mean, look at that. | ||
| You can't fake that. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| They made him look cross-eyed, too. | ||
| This is not like some. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They brought it up as like, I don't know, intimidation of the judge or something. | ||
| Like they try to bitch about it. | ||
| Just gotta sit there and see this man. | ||
| I fucking love this shit. | ||
| That's like, look, man, the InfoWars is rock and roll. | ||
| You know, like these people, these lawyers, the people that come after us and sue us and try to get all this money and whatnot with their law firms and their Democrat Party money and all this stuff. | ||
| They can't create anything. | ||
| They have no ability to create. | ||
| They have no creativity. | ||
| They have no originality. | ||
| It's like Lord of the Rings where they can only corrupt and destroy things, right? | ||
| So they come in, they try to take something that's already successful, like our operation, and they bring it low because, you know, they have this great narrative. | ||
| They're able to spread. | ||
| And they go to a liberal district. | ||
| They get us sued. | ||
| They win the lawsuit. | ||
| And then it's over. | ||
| These people, even if The Onion was theoretically to get InfoWars, people would hate it. | ||
| People would already hate The Onion, dude. | ||
| They haven't been funny since like Facebook 2012. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, you remember that shit? | ||
| I guess you were really young. | ||
| I was 22. | ||
| I was your age back then when like the onion was fucking hilarious. | ||
| I remember being a kid, like being like six, seven, and the onion was very popular. | ||
| I remember seeing stuff from them. | ||
| But I mean, it's a dead side. | ||
| I mean, the Babylon B is way bigger and other such publications, right? | ||
| I mean, they filled the void. | ||
| And then like we showed this, we're in stream yards. | ||
| We're not exactly sure how to, I guess, if I shared the TV screen, you know what? | ||
| I'm going to do this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Hold on one second. | ||
| What are you looking for? | ||
| The Global Tetrahedron Onion article. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, I was really pissed off because they put out an article saying that they owned InfoWars now. | ||
| And I felt immediately like, oh my God, they should be sued for damages because the sales on the Infowars store plummeted immediately when the general public came to believe that the Onion owned it. | ||
| Now, here's why I decided to buy InfoWars. | ||
| Let's go ahead and read this article. | ||
| Here's why I decided to buy Infowars by Bryce P. Tetrahedron. | ||
| This is their fake CEO guy. | ||
| They invented the real guy as like a bald, tiny, like little weirdo. | ||
| Today, we celebrate a new addition to the global Tetrahegen LLC family of brands. | ||
| I see it as a family, much like family members. | ||
| It's all like dehumanizing language about people screwing each other over over here. | ||
| Founded in 1999 on the heels of the satanic panic. | ||
| I mean, this is so crazy. | ||
| Alex loves heavy metal. | ||
| He was never about that. | ||
| But see how they try to misrepresent us and growing steadily every day. | ||
| It's not even funny, though. | ||
| Like, if it was funny, it'd be great. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Let me, I'm going to try to find this. | ||
| I'm going to, I'm going to try to find the part where they admit it all because we've read this. | ||
| It was in the middle. | ||
| It's in the middle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Make no mistake. | ||
| This is a coup for our company and a well-deserved victory for multinational elites the world over. | ||
| They admit the truth. | ||
| They're like vampires to tell you the truth right there. | ||
| Just think about that. | ||
| They published this article. | ||
| You know, they put this on our website. | ||
| They put this on InfoWars for a few days before the judge struck it all down and said this was a fraudulent auction. | ||
| They mounted our metaphysical head on the wall. | ||
| You remember that, Chase? | ||
| Remember when they cut the power, cut the internet? | ||
| Yeah, that was fucking wild. | ||
| Harrison was live. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What did you guys feel during that day when they just come and cut the cord and just like, you got to get out of here? | ||
| We're taking this over. | ||
| We're doing that. | ||
| Did you guys like freak out? | ||
| Was everybody just like depressed? | ||
| No, I was, it was fucking exciting as hell. | ||
| It was like the Battle of Hoth. | ||
| We were running around. | ||
| We were running around frantically to go to the backup studio. | ||
| We had record sales. | ||
| We had record viewership. | ||
| It was fucking awesome. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I loved every minute of it. | ||
| Like, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, you guys ever see the movie 1917? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Popular World War I movie. | ||
| The whole, it's like loosely based on a true story, allegedly. | ||
| The whole plot of the movie is these two messengers are sent after the communication lines have been cut to warn the British not to attack because the German retreat is a false retreat. | ||
| It's a trap. | ||
| And they have to do it personally. | ||
| And so it's like this 24 hours where these two messengers are like trying to go through the most dangerous part of the war zone in order to warn the British not to attack. | ||
| And there's a moment in that movie where one of the guys that they run into that helps them along the way says, make sure there's a witness when you give the order to halt the attack. | ||
| And the guy's like, what do you mean? | ||
| It's an order. | ||
| And the response is, some men just want to fight. | ||
| And I'm a little bit like that. | ||
| So like when we got shut down that day, I was like activated. | ||
| I was like, oh, fuck. | ||
| Yeah, it's on. | ||
| You know, like, it was like it was an assault, you know, and like, you don't want it to happen because it's wrong that it's happening. | ||
| But, you know, certain genes are activated when you're when you're exposed to that level of stress. | ||
| The classic thing that Alex always talks about. | ||
| It's the Obi-Wan Kenobi, Darth Vader moment, you know, where Obi-Wan Kenobi is this old man. | ||
| He's lived in the desert. | ||
| He's been in exile. | ||
| The Jedi lost. | ||
| The Sith won. | ||
| Evil Empire is there. | ||
| But Obi-Wan Kenobi is training Luke. | ||
| And in order for Luke to get away on the Millennium Falcon, he's got to face Darth Vader. | ||
| And Obi-Wan is old and he's decrepit and he's not the Jedi he used to be. | ||
| And Darth Vader, even though he's reduced and decayed, he's in the armor. | ||
| He's in the center of his power. | ||
| He's tapped into the dark side. | ||
| And Darth Vader is laughing at him. | ||
| Darth Vader says, you know, when I left you, I was but the learner. | ||
| Now I am the master. | ||
| And Obi-Wan Kenobi says, only a master of evil, Darth. | ||
| And they begin to fight. | ||
| And Obi-Wan Kenobi says, if you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. | ||
| And of course, Darth Vader, realizing what he is and what he's become, he strikes him down out of anger. | ||
| And of course, he elevates Obi-Wan by doing that. | ||
| And Obi-Wan goes on in the future, even greater, being able to transcend space and time. | ||
| He's able to help Luke become a Jedi and ultimately defeat the Sith. | ||
| And, you know, people laugh at us. | ||
| They make fun of us. | ||
| I've seen people go like, y'all talk about cartoons and movies a lot. | ||
| That's because these are these great archetypes that we're able to use like over series of time. | ||
| The ancient legends, humans are really storytellers at the end of the day. | ||
| I mean, when they did this to us, they allowed us to transcend because they proved that they were evil. | ||
| They proved that it was malevolent. | ||
| They proved that it was malignant. | ||
| They proved that it was something that they were doing because they couldn't defeat who we were in essence. | ||
| So they had to reduce our physical form. | ||
| They had to take the studio from us. | ||
| They had to take the crew from us, stuff like this. | ||
| And we were able to, through our audience, through our listeners, they were already ready for it. | ||
| We were ready to transcend to that next level. | ||
| And, you know, even though we're still fighting really hard to keep Bumfow Wars, even though, you know, my dad, I know he's so hopeful and he wants to keep the place alive. | ||
| That's all he really wants in the whole world. | ||
| He loves it so much. | ||
| It's his baby. | ||
| But once we finally transcend and break through with the great work you're doing at Bigley, with the new studios, the even bigger studio that's being built, I just, I know we're going to hit that level. | ||
| And they are only masters of evil and that they can only corrupt. | ||
| They can't create anything good. | ||
| I totally agree with everything that you said. | ||
| And I want to show you these two real short Star Wars scenes because this just goes to show the incredible writing. | ||
| First off, this is. | ||
| I have failed you, Annie. | ||
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I have failed you. | |
| I should have known the Jedi were plotting to take over. | ||
| Anakin, Johnson, Palpatine is evil. | ||
| From my point of view, the Jedi are evil. | ||
| Well, then you are lost. | ||
| And he goes on, right? | ||
| And then famously. | ||
| I have the high ground. | ||
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You underestimate my power. | |
| Don't try it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So we know what happens. | ||
| I have the high ground. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know better. | ||
| I've trained you better than this. | ||
| And then watch this. | ||
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Obi-Wan has taught you well. | |
| He's got the fucking high ground, bro. | ||
| When he says that fucking wild, that's like to tie that in. | ||
| Like, that's the, that is the mythos or whatever. | ||
| That's the story. | ||
| Like, he didn't have the high ground. | ||
| He got cut in half. | ||
| And then his son has the high ground. | ||
| And his response is, Obi-Wan has taught you well because he's fucking remembering what happened the last time he tried to fucking jump over a motherfucker on the high ground. | ||
| Play old Obi-Wan really quick. | ||
| You should play that clip. | ||
| You should watch that because that really is the essence of the InfoWars story. | ||
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It's the old idea. | |
| that's what infowars is your powers are weak old man you can't win if you strike me down i shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine All the people Alex inspired and taught. | ||
| I mean, he talked about KNSO. | ||
| He talked about Alex Stein, all these people like this, right? | ||
| Going on to the future. | ||
| Even Owen, I would argue, everyone's learned from Alex. | ||
| And Alex's goal, he said this many times. | ||
| He's like, look, I want to become obsolete. | ||
| I want to give people the message, give people the transmission so they're able to go forward and wage their own info war, right? | ||
| And that's why they can take the name, they can take the studio, but they can never take that message away from us. | ||
| And that's really what's so beautiful. | ||
| One of the things I felt guilty about at InfoWars was that I wasn't there for like all the hard shit. | ||
| I kind of came after, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's like showing up to help rebuild Nagasaki, you know, like, oh, shit, you know, and I felt a little bit like, you know, I hadn't like earned my stripes when I showed up, but it was kind of like a rescue dog, man. | ||
| Like you show up, you're this new face and everybody's kind of growling at you and you got to build a lot of trust. | ||
| And then once you build the trust and, you know, have like the healing, then it's like a great relationship, you know? | ||
| I'm so happy that you came around when you did, man, because you brought a lot of energy and life to that place when it was really down in the dumps and you really elevated everyone's mindset into really believing in the mission again in a weird way, not directly, but it really was your positive attitude, the level of energy that you brought, right? | ||
| So eventually what happened was I had Harrison on my show as a guest. | ||
| He's the host of the morning show. | ||
| Now he's the host of War Room. | ||
| And he invited me to be on his show as a guest. | ||
| It went really well. | ||
| And then his wife had a baby, and they asked me to sub his show for like two weeks while he was on paternity leave. | ||
| In that time period, Alex had invited me to be a guest on his show because he'd noticed what I was doing in the morning, particularly talking about AI. | ||
| And he wanted to have me on as an AI expert to talk about what was going on. | ||
| And that was how I got the job. | ||
| So, like, there was no reason for me to believe this podcast thing was going to work out. | ||
| I was like neglecting clients and like getting into debt, you know. | ||
| And it was really like an act of God that I was, I think, manipulated into working there. | ||
| We're all waiting for the Alex Jones network to really hit the stratosphere. | ||
| Obviously, we care a lot about InfoWars, and we fought really hard to keep that name. | ||
| Alex has fought harder than anyone a thousand times over to keep that name. | ||
| But I do think it'll be a good thing eventually because the receiver is there and like they've had meetings, some sort of deadline, I'm sure, has been given. | ||
| It'll be a really good thing to move on and to really grow from there. | ||
| It sucks that we're going to lose that name, but I mean, everything else is there to gain, right? | ||
| Yeah, you know, oh, go ahead. | ||
| I'm sorry, man. | ||
| Do you want to tell us a kind of like the vision that you have for Alex Jones Network and kind of like why you decided to kind of spearhead that and take on that project? | ||
| Yeah, I'll do my best. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| So, one of the things that I'm good at is doing shit that needs to be done without being asked. | ||
| I'm actually much better at doing that than I am at doing what I'm asked. | ||
| I've just always kind of been that way. | ||
| And, you know, Alex is incredibly busy. | ||
| So, he's not necessarily going to sit down with you and tell you what he needs or what needs to be done. | ||
| And sometimes some things are more appropriate if he doesn't ask for them and you just do them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, what happened was I knew that the Infowar stuff was getting kind of hairy with the auction. | ||
| And I was really worried that they were going to fuck the InfoWar store, InfoWarstore.com, because they'd already been fucking it. | ||
| So, they, you know, would prevent us from ordering new inventory, and we barely ever had a new product, and it was all clanky and weird. | ||
| And in anticipation of the auction going south and some bullshitter, like the onion, you know, claiming that they owned it, that was when I encouraged Alex to get involved with Bigley because Bigley could launch the Alex Jones store and own it, and they would never be able to take it away from Alex because it never belonged to him to begin with. | ||
| Still doesn't, right? | ||
| We just have a really good deal with him. | ||
| And I decided to start the Alex Jones Network LLC as a backup to secure the name to, you know, everything above board, but just to ensure that if InfoWars was shut down, there was some other business mechanism in place already. | ||
| And that was before I kind of heard about Charlie Sisak and what was going on. | ||
| I didn't really know anything about the conversations that Alex was having. | ||
| I just thought, hey, if I fucking set up the Alex Jones Network and we build it, then InfoWars gets shut down, then, you know, it's like, then I'm set. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That was kind of what I was thinking. | ||
| And it wasn't like I was trying to exploit Alex or anything. | ||
| I was like, this is just fucking job security galore right here. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And so it ended up working out perfectly because when I moved up to Bigley, of course, now they own the Alex Jones Network LLC. | ||
| That was all transferred over. | ||
| And it sets Bigley up for long-time success. | ||
| It ensures that Alex has just kind of another defense mechanism to ensure that he can always stay on the air. | ||
| And basically, we've kind of found a way to take care of Alex through Bigley and the Alex Jones Network without him actually needing to own anything. | ||
| And if he doesn't own it, then it can't be taken from him. | ||
| And I mean, you look at Bigley, you look at the infrastructure they have. | ||
| I mean, they do stuff for a bunch of other big show hosts out there, a lot of big broadcasters out there. | ||
| They do really good work. | ||
| And when we sell these products to people, we're selling like $30, $40 products to people. | ||
| These are very expensive to manufacture. | ||
| You really have to have a place that's ready at scale to make all these things for such a big audience. | ||
| And InfoWars had organically over like eight to 10 years, they had built up the capacity to do stuff like that with the Infowars store, like you talk about. | ||
| But really being able to come in from the ground floor and go to the moon with Bigley and the Alex Jones network, it was something that, you know, I had kind of expected to happen, but I didn't know how it would happen. | ||
| I was like, huh, like I'm kind of trying to do this business model for myself. | ||
| I do warehousing. | ||
| I do shipping. | ||
| I sell my own products. | ||
| I have e-commerce stores, right? | ||
| But you look at Bigley and they're really a titan in the space. | ||
| And I work with all kinds of big people, like the Hodge twins, you name it. | ||
| And they were able to come in and deliver that same quality that the Infowars fanbase is used to, not just for us, but for other people as well. | ||
| So it was a really incredible opportunity. | ||
| And they're such great guys. | ||
| I mean, Nate Hughes, he's a Jan 6 guy. | ||
| He got a pardon from Trump. | ||
| They're really cool people and they're very mission aligned with us. | ||
| And like, it's been nothing but positive stuff with Bigley. | ||
| So I'm really happy that you're with them. | ||
| I'm really happy you're doing stuff with them and helping optimize the whole process. | ||
| What was your decision like to create the Alex Jones app? | ||
| Because that went to the moon. | ||
| It's number one. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So yeah, it was, I think it was the number one app on iPad. | ||
| It was definitely number one in news on iPad. | ||
| I think it was the number one app on iPad for a minute. | ||
| It's top five. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so basically the problem with Alex is that he's been fucking banned everywhere. | ||
| So you can't like start up his YouTube account. | ||
| You can't launch an app in the app store that's InfoWars or Alex Jones. | ||
| But Alex Jones Network, AJN Live, hasn't been banned anywhere. | ||
| Bigly hasn't been banned anywhere. | ||
| The Alex Jones store hasn't been banned anywhere. | ||
| Alex doesn't own any of it. | ||
| He doesn't control any of it. | ||
| He doesn't have admin access to any of it. | ||
| And so I thought, all right, well, if it's never been banned before, then technically it's not a violation of the terms. | ||
| And so I had built an app before when I had a podcast years ago, just kind of fucking around testing it. | ||
| And I'd found this site called appmysite.com, where you pay like $250 a month, and they'll turn any website into an iOS and an Android app. | ||
| And so I just converted the Alex Jones store into an app using this tool. | ||
| And I went through the back and forth, the rigorole of Apple support to get it approved in the store. | ||
| There was like little stuff like, hey, change your login settings to this. | ||
| And I had to kind of go in and tweak some things. | ||
| But I thought, all right, well, I'll just, I'll just launch this. | ||
| It's an example of me like doing something I wasn't asked to do that just kind of needed to be done. | ||
| And within, you know, 48 hours, we had like 55,000 users on the app. | ||
| The beauty of it is when we when we send when we send text messages out or emails out to our list of like 250,000 people, it costs us thousands of dollars. | ||
| So whenever you get a text from Alex Jones, we've dropped like five grand to send it out to our list, our text list. | ||
| Or whenever you get an email, we've dropped a few thousand dollars. | ||
| But with the app, when people install it, we can send push notifications for free. | ||
| So it's like just a way for us to reach the audience without spending a bunch of money, you know? | ||
| At really zero cost. | ||
| And that's like, that's what we always talk about. | ||
| That's a 360 win. | ||
| I mean, you talked about it a little earlier. | ||
| We were just talking five minutes ago. | ||
| Like it really is hard to even get, you know, like if you get 10 minutes with Alex, you're extremely lucky, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And oftentimes that 10 minutes is not necessarily productive because he's, you know, he's operating on eight different dimensions at the same time. | ||
| And you're trying to like get him to really focus on one thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you know how it is. | ||
| And I mean, you know, Infowars and my dad, like my dad's a phenomenal person, love him to death, incredibly talented, really a media genius, but he's not necessarily the easiest person in the world to work for. | ||
| So when you work for Alex or when you're working with Alex, you have to find ways to maximize your time with him as to where you're already bringing him a solution to a problem he's already thinking about. | ||
| And really, that's what Chase has been good at. | ||
| You know, we lost a lot of our production capability over the last like three or four years just because the money and the crew weren't there. | ||
| People criticize and they talk bad about like the AI ads and stuff and the AI voices. | ||
| Chase brought all these great AI like ad liners, one-liners, intro show liners to the show. | ||
| And he brought a lot of like really unique digital content to the show, like that 2085 piece that you did that I really enjoyed. | ||
| And that Wars of the Info guy, I know he's not necessarily affiliated with you, but I know you've given him some direction. | ||
| People criticize ads. | ||
| I think they're great. | ||
| I think they fit in with the show a lot. | ||
| I think they're hilarious. | ||
| I like them too. | ||
| I think they're great. | ||
| Speaking of 2084, there's a little bit of a snippet of it. | ||
| Cool thing. | ||
| Now it's mirrored, so it's all backwards. | ||
| But the cool thing about this is I actually read the entire monologue of Alex. | ||
| I recorded it. | ||
| It was my voice. | ||
| And then I converted it to his voice as it sounded on September 12th of 2001. | ||
| So I took that famous broadcast of him on September 12th of 2001 and cloned his voice from that time. | ||
| And I was able to read it and get him to do like a back in time thing. | ||
| Now, do you have like a tech background or anything? | ||
| Or this was just complete agency by you and you're just like, I'm just going to go learn this stuff and I'm just going to figure it out. | ||
| And I need to ride this wave of like AI. | ||
| I spent a lot of time in recording studios from the time I was like 15 until 23. | ||
| I went to college in Nashville and spent a lot of time in recording studios. | ||
| So from a technical standpoint, I've always been familiar with gear and setting things up and figuring things out and MacGyvering things, but not really a lot of formal education. | ||
| And with the AI stuff, it was, I consider myself more of a super user than a developer. | ||
| So I'm not good at making new tools, but I'm really good at getting very good at using existing tools that people aren't necessarily familiar with or combining things that aren't necessarily meant for each other. | ||
| So for example, with this 2084 video here, what I had to do was make an AI rendering of a still image of Alex. | ||
| Then I had to record myself saying the monologue. | ||
| Then what I had to do was use a different tool that's called wave to lip, where I would take my audio reading the monologue and have it adjust the AI model to make the lips match what I was saying. | ||
| So I was good at like marrying different things that were never designed to be working together with each other in order to make something kind of completely new. | ||
| I didn't develop any of the AI tools that I used other than training some of the models, but I was able to combine them together. | ||
| So that's kind of like connecting the adjacent possible, you know? | ||
| That's everything. | ||
| I mean, you're basically shortcutting a lot of the things that you would have had to hire a bunch of other people in order to do and just figuring that out is that's sick, honestly. | ||
| Well, to give you an example of this app, like I did not write a single line of code and I developed fucking number one app in the app store in week, you know? | ||
| So it's just like, fuck, man, just like, what are the tools we have? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So I'm guessing like from here, you've got the basis of it, but eventually I'm guessing your plan is to like actually have some developers come in and like make this like a full-fledged thing where you can get like all your content, all of your, you know, supplements, whatever together. | ||
| Like, do you see that being like the everything Alex Jones and just this one ecosystem? | ||
| Or is it still going to kind of be like split between X and the app? | ||
| Yeah, that's a good question. | ||
| So I'm a really big believer in a quote from General Patton. | ||
| He said, a good plan today is better than a perfect plan next week. | ||
| And so I always just do shit that needs to happen now without a lot of thought in the future. | ||
| I can really only think about 90 days ahead of a time. | ||
| I've kind of learned that about myself. | ||
| So like when I started Alex Jones Network LLC, it was because there was a window 90 days ahead where I thought, holy shit, maybe we'll need this like in the next three months. | ||
| And when I launched the app, I thought, hey, maybe the next week it would be fucking great if we had this app. | ||
| So I can see intuitively how this app could develop. | ||
| And, you know, maybe we'll have the entire archive there. | ||
| Maybe we'll have a bunch of the features and articles there at some point in time. | ||
| I honestly just haven't thought that far ahead. | ||
| But now that there are so many users, like, you know, with the app, the main thing is you can listen to the show no matter what. | ||
| I mean, if Infowars got shut down tomorrow, you'd be able to listen to Alex Jones on that app because we can change the source and you can listen to the show or watch it. | ||
| You can listen to it with even when you exit the app, which is something that's not, wasn't ever functional on the sites, really. | ||
| And so honestly, we just wanted a place where people, we could direct people to always watch Alex, even if InfoWars gets shut down and get a lot of sales at the same time. | ||
| I'm so happy that you came around when you did, man, because you brought a lot of energy and life to that place when it was really down in the dumps and you really elevated everyone's mindset into really believing in the mission again in a weird way, not directly, but it really was your positive attitude, the level of energy that you brought because, you know, being in that building since I was like nine or 10 years old, perhaps even earlier, like eight years old, I had really seen the gradual increase in energy. | ||
| I mean, at its peak in 2015 to 2018, people were running around. | ||
| People were excited. | ||
| All they were doing was figure out how to grow, how to grow, how to grow. | ||
| It was never about the money. | ||
| It was all about just how we can be the best alternative media out there. | ||
| But after the law fair came, especially after the deplatforming came, we really entered into a survival mode where everyone was just kind of worried about keeping the thing going. | ||
| And when you hit that mode, things start not going as well. | ||
| You truly came in and with that love of the game, you were able to express that old feeling that really reminded me of why we got started in the first place. | ||
| I'm like, that I'm so happy you're working with Bigley now because I know you're working primarily with us and InfoWars and stuff like that, but I know you're also bringing that spirit to them and their other affiliates. | ||
| And I think that's a really beautiful thing. | ||
| Well, that's a really nice thing for you to say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One of the things I felt guilty about at InfoWars was that I wasn't there for like all the hard shit. | ||
| I kind of came after, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's like showing up to help rebuild Nagasaki, you know, like, oh, shit, you know, and I felt a little bit like, you know, I hadn't like earned my stripes when I showed up, but it was kind of like a rescue dog, man. | ||
| Like you show up, you're this new face, and everybody's kind of growling at you, and you got to build a lot of trust. | ||
| And then once you build the trust and, you know, have like the healing, then it's like a great relationship, you know? | ||
| And so, you know, it took me about six months to get integrated, but after that, it was, it was rock and roll. | ||
| I think you brought a lot of that positive energy, almost that positive mania that that place used to have and it missed. | ||
| So I think you fit in really well in an area like really like, you know, you lifted a lot of people's moods, you know, and I know Infowars is a rough ecosystem and it is a hard place to work just because of the environment. | ||
| I mean, it's a news center. | ||
| It's a broadcasting center. | ||
| Like people are constantly running around anyway, but you were able to really elevate Alex's energy and get him excited about things again. | ||
| I mean, he loved all the AI stuff, especially at the beginning. | ||
| He was so excited about it. | ||
| He was so happy about it. | ||
| You were able to bring a little bit of joy back. | ||
| And that's what we needed. | ||
| We need to remember that, you know, we do it because it's a fight. | ||
| We do it because we want to bring the information to people. | ||
| We do it because the mission is so important, but we're also having fun. | ||
| And we lost a lot of that over the years just because of the deplatforming and the law fair and the bankruptcy. | ||
| It all became too much all at once. | ||
| And he brought a lot of levity into the situation as to where people are like, oh man, that chase, what's he going to make next? | ||
| You know, and he made a lot of cool stuff. | ||
| And that's what we needed. | ||
| So I owned a social media advertising business that I started in 2016. | ||
| And it was really successful as far as me being kind of having just one employee. | ||
| And for some reason, in 2021, there's like the story in the Old Testament of the Bible with the Pharaoh, the Exodus story. | ||
| And God, it says, you know, God hardened Pharaoh's heart. | ||
| And so Pharaoh changed his mind and decided he was going to chase Moses down and get him right before the Red Sea parted. | ||
| And I was always so interested with that story in the Bible because we've got this Christian concept of free will. | ||
| And then you have this explicit example in the Bible of God actually going in and manipulating someone's decision. | ||
| Like he doesn't make the decision for Pharaoh. | ||
| Pharaoh's still got his free will, but he like hardens his heart. | ||
| He provides almost like the supernatural influence, like kind of like the ring of power, Lord of the Rings, where it can't force you to fuck up, but like it almost always wins, right? | ||
| Because it's this like temptation, this influence. | ||
| And so in 2020, for some fucking reason, it was actually 2021. | ||
| I started the podcast, a podcast called One American Podcast after January 6th. | ||
| And I just got interested in politics more and wanting to build a voice and a personal brand. | ||
| For some reason, I really do believe this, God hardened my heart to the point where I could not, no matter how many clients I signed, I would sell, I'd close deals. | ||
| All right, you know, $1,500 a month. | ||
| I'll do this for you. | ||
| I could not, no matter how hard I tried, bring myself to do the work. | ||
| So I would get all these clients and I'd be like, all right, I'm going to take care and set up this ad campaign in an hour. | ||
| I'm just going to work on the podcast for an hour. | ||
| And then I would finish what I was doing with the podcast. | ||
| And I'd be like, you know what? | ||
| I'm going to put it off another hour and I'm going to do this next thing that came to mind. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I'm going to put it off another hour because I'm going to send DMs to all the major people that I want to have on my podcast. | ||
| And literally like 36, 48 hours with no sleep would go by. | ||
| And I would be staying up all night hoping that I'd finally get around to doing the social media advertising shit so I could make money. | ||
| But like I could only do the podcast. | ||
| So eventually what happened was I had Harrison on my show as a guest. | ||
| He's the host of the morning show. | ||
| Now he's the host of War Room. | ||
| And he invited me to be on his show as a guest. | ||
| It went really well. | ||
| And then his wife had a baby and they asked me to sub his show for like two weeks while he was on paternity leave. | ||
| And after the two weeks that I was on paternity leave or that he was on paternity leave, I asked for a job. | ||
| And in that time period, Alex had invited me to be a guest on his show because he'd noticed what I was doing in the morning, particularly talking about AI. | ||
| And he wanted to have me on as an AI expert to talk about what was going on. | ||
| And that was how I got the job. | ||
| So like there was no reason for me to believe this podcast thing was going to work out. | ||
| I was like neglecting clients and like getting into debt, you know, and it was like really like an act of God that I was, I think, manipulated into working there. | ||
| Well, I mean, you're a real creative type. | ||
| And I think when you realize that like, this is what you truly wanted to do, your love of that, really of the art more than the science, as I often talk about, you really wanted to get into that. | ||
| And InfoWars truly is a place to where as long as what you're doing is popular and as long as it's, you know, generating interest, you got total free reign to do whatever you want. | ||
| And people often go, oh, you know, Alex controls it all. | ||
| He's in charge of it all. | ||
| He's running everything. | ||
| No, you really have a bunch of independent show hosts that are all kind of coming up with their own ideas, independent editors coming up with their own ideas. | ||
| And sure, there are things that Alex asks, but he really just wants you to do well. | ||
| I mean, once he saw that you had that ability to create, I think it was a no-brainer to just bring you in. | ||
| So I grew up with a genetic bleeding disorder, hemophilia. | ||
| And the life expectancy for somebody with hemophilia without medicine is like 11 years. | ||
| There's the famous example of what's that young Russian kid's name who was part of the fucking, all the communists killed all the Russian royal family. | ||
| He had it and then Rasputin came and like started making him kind of better a little bit. | ||
| Anyway, it's an old fucking genetic disease where basically my blood doesn't clot and people think it's about like bleeding out if you get cut or a paper cut and it won't stop bleeding. | ||
| But it's mostly about internal bleeding because every day our body gets damaged internally and repairs itself so rapidly that you don't even notice it. | ||
| But when you have hemophilia, it's, you know, you go to bed after, you know, going on a walk and then you wake up the next morning and your ankle is the size of a fucking softball and you didn't even know that you broke something in there. | ||
| And so, what happens with the hemophilia acts is they either have brain aneurysms or they have so much internal bleeding that they like suffocate. | ||
| That's like the natural death of somebody, get all crippled and stuff because it mostly happens in your joints. | ||
| And then the blood that gets in your joints erodes the cartilage, which causes the arthritis and the crippling. | ||
| So, growing up, my mom was always, you know, can't do sports, don't do that, be careful, be careful, kind of like almost like Mr. Glass from the movie, I think, Unbreakable. | ||
| Is that the name of that movie? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I was prematurely aware of my own mortality. | ||
| You know, a lot of people, you'll hear them say, I didn't realize that I was going to die one day until I got in my 40s and I just, you know, started feeling sore or stiff or not as much energy. | ||
| A lot of young men feel like they know and they know consciously and intellectually that they're going to die one day because it's an obvious fact of life, but they have that hasn't like set in yet to the point where they like operate knowing that they're going to die. | ||
| And it did for me because, right, until they start feeling their mortality physically. | ||
| And I felt it young, you know. | ||
| And so for me, I don't know what happens when you die, but regardless of whether or not you believe in heaven or hell, it's scientifically proven that a massive amount of DMT floods your fucking brain when you die. | ||
| And that can do things like time dilation. | ||
| And you hear about people who have been on hallucinogens, whether it's shrooms or LSD or DMT. | ||
| If you go into an experience like that with a guilty conscience, they call it a bad trip, but like you can literally want to rip your face off and flush it down the toilet. | ||
| It can be fucking awful. | ||
| And so I really, really want to die with a clean conscience. | ||
| I don't want a DMT load to fucking saturate my brain when I'm old and have all the terrible things I ever did or all the not enough that I ever did, you know, plague me at that. | ||
| I don't want to experience that, that hell. | ||
| And so everything that I do, rather than like having a vision for myself long term or a plan, like in my 40s, I'm going to be like this. | ||
| And in my 50s, I'm going to be like that. | ||
| There's probably some wisdom in doing that to a certain extent. | ||
| But it's mostly I'm like every day trying to operate like, am I doing enough that I'm going to be proud of what I did when I die? | ||
| Whether I have to face God and tell him or whether it's like a scientific, you know, secular or materialist DMT experience, whether it's spiritual or just purely scientific and aspiritual. | ||
| So that's my motive and it's worked for me. | ||
| I haven't had to plan ahead a lot because when you operate, you know, giving every minute, you know, all your effort in distant run to butcher fucking Rudyard Kipling from if, it tends to play out. | ||
| And even Jesus said, don't worry for tomorrow, for today has enough troubles of its own. | ||
| So I'm not really thinking about next week. |
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