Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh dissect new Epstein files, exposing a 2% release rate that allegedly hides co-conspirators like Les Wexner, Bill Gates, and the Rothschilds. They analyze contradictions in Pam Bondi's statements, the 2007 non-prosecution agreement, and coded emails linking elites to global chaos from Libya to Brexit. The hosts argue intelligence agencies serve this network, which uses blackmail and disaster capitalism to evade prosecution while lower-income individuals face harsher penalties, suggesting successors like Elon Musk may continue these transhumanist agendas. Ultimately, the discussion calls for moving beyond file releases to actual prosecutions of financial crimes and trafficking within this protected global elite. [Automatically generated summary]
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Pam Bondi Files Hoax00:15:14
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to Flagrant.
It's your boy Schultz.
I'm here with Alex Media, Marky Gags, and we have an illustrious guest with us.
Okay.
Now, Pam Bondi recently said that there's no more files that are going to come out.
And obviously, this is a huge hoax, probably pushed by the Dems.
Yes.
Probably pushed by those lives.
Right.
You know, what's the Dow out today?
Have we checked?
Bumped it down.
Oh, we can't talk about the talk.
We got to stop the podcast.
We can't be talking about anything.
Who cares about a bad question?
No, no, $49,500.
This is about to be a short one.
Okay.
Sager, can you please clear some things up here?
Because it looks like the administration has maybe told some lies.
And the last time you came down here, you broke down this Epstein thing in an absolutely amazing way.
Clearly, you've been dedicated to this and not, you know, raising your newborn child.
And we greatly appreciate that.
So we'd like you to get to the bottom of this.
Is it possible that Ms. Bondi is lying?
Well, let's not know.
Let's run it back.
So everybody's focused on her most recent disastrous performance where she tries to obfuscate.
She tells Thomas Massey, you're an anti-Trumper, you have TDS.
She's saying the Dow is at 50,000.
What's wrong with all of you for caring about this?
Well, I would say, Miss Bondi, what's wrong with you?
So Griffin, can we go ahead and point Pam Bondi list is on my desk?
This is a clip almost from a year ago, actually, back February 21st, so almost exactly one year ago to the day.
And here is what she said from the steps of the White House lawn about how the list is on her desk.
Let's take a listen.
DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
Will that really happen?
It's sitting on my desk right now to review.
That's been a directive by President Trump.
I'm reviewing that.
I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files.
That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.
So have you seen anything that you said, oh my gosh?
Not yet.
Not yet.
She said she had a truckload of files that were literally on her desk, right?
That's what she said.
She had a truckload of files that were on her desk.
That's what she said on February 21st from the steps of the White House.
That was a year ago.
That was almost exactly one year ago to the day that you and I are all taping.
If you see the way that she's aged, you must believe there's some horrific stuff around.
I will let you all speculate as to that.
We meet her on the retutorize.
Yeah, retinerize.
Retiteride.
No free ads, though.
No free ads.
Well, you can't even get it because it's clinical trial.
There was also Kash Patel.
Shall we remember Kash Patel on before Congress?
This was not that long ago.
Griffin, it's the very first element that we have in the administration.
Shout out Griffin as well.
Shout out to my executive producer, Griffin, who's here.
Executive.
Minute and pulls up stuff faster than Joe.
This is credible.
Cash money.
There's no credible information.
None.
If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals.
And the information we have, again, is limited.
So the answer is no one for the information that we have.
Him the fouls in the case file.
So that was Kash Patel.
There's no credible information that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked minors.
And I can say unequivocally that that is just like not true.
Now, you can try to parse the language around the word of trafficking, but if we stick specifically with the question of abuse from everything that we've learned.
So the body of information that I'm working from today is all of the 3 million files that were released by the Department of Justice.
As a reminder, there are 3 million more files.
In fact, Channel 4 News in the UK just did an expose saying that in fact, there might be only 2% of the files that have been released right now.
So some 98% of the information hasn't been.
But we can say, you know, empirically, based on these files, as well as a hacked trove of emails I had access to through my colleagues and friends over at Dropsite News, 40,000 emails.
We can say that that's not true.
And I can give you a very simple and easy example, Griffin.
It's under Pizzagate in the spreadsheet, more than 20 girls, my own tweet.
This was one of my own stories that I broke from one of the hacked emails that I found inside of Jeffrey Epstein's own sent inbox where he sent himself a memo.
If you click on that, just so they can read the text message, here's an email he wrote to himself: privileged and confidential, spelling confidential wrong.
He says, though I required girls over 18, the results don't reflect it.
The feds have spoken to or know of girls between the ages of 16 to 18.
If we extrapolate, we should assume there are 20 girls in that age range.
That's a message that he wrote to himself in 2007, specifically in a sent inbox that was meant eventually for forwarding to his own private lobby.
And the FBI has access to this information.
Not only does the FBI have access to this, they're saying that the FBI had knowledge of that information, right?
So this is an email directly where he's acknowledging that there are under 20, they're 20 underage women that he specifically knew about from the FBI.
So what's the new actual information?
But are you alleging that cash could be lying under her own?
Right.
Well, that's a very interesting question, isn't it, right?
Under the Congress.
Now, is it technically a lie if you never get prosecuted for the lie?
If the people who are there who are in charge of it, these are interesting questions as to what's actually in power.
But if we look at Pam Bondi, her past claims, remember, she also had that influencer event, handed out Epstein files part one.
Nobody forced Kash Patel to come on podcasts before the election to say, I'm going to release all this information.
Pam Bonnie to say I have the client list on my desk to hand out these client binders and then basically turn into an instrument of the cover-up.
And what they've done with this cover-up is we've seen a number of files that were redacted specifically against the law.
And I think it's interesting to think last time I was here, this was before the Epstein Files Transparency Act was passed.
The Epstein Files Transparency Act specifically says redactions should only apply in the case of national security and or victim identification.
And in multiple instances now, we've seen that they have redacted the names of co-conspirators of names of very powerful individuals.
So if we want, you know, one of the things that's going to be a question, could you give an example of national security?
National security is a very interesting one because that's one that's really up to the DOJ.
Oh, sorry, there's one third one, which is active investigation.
So one of the reasons why this is really important is that there is currently, this is from Thomas Massey, a theory that because of this file release, they are starting actively investigating a number of these cases, which they can now drag on for a long period, let's say up to three years until Donald Trump is out of office to make sure that none of the other information comes to light.
So even the Files Transparency Act gave them outs, but even within the outs that they had, they had multiple cover-ups, right?
So one of the more egregious examples is Les Wexner.
Let's go to Co-Conspirators, Griffin.
Let's put the Wexner cover-up.
So this is the deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche.
And here, Thomas Massey called him out where he found a redacted piece inside of the file labeled co-conspirator.
Thomas Massey says this is a well-known retired CEO, DOJ, should unredact this.
Why did they redact it?
Let's go to the DOJ's explanation.
He says the document you cite has numerous victim names.
We have unredacted Wexner's name from the document.
His name appears in the file thousands of times.
DOJ is hiding nothing.
However, that document did not have any victim name on it, not one.
And specifically, they decided to redact co-conspirator here.
Wexner, for those of you who haven't watched our previous episode, is the source, and some would speculate, the potential originator of the Epstein mythology.
So this is a person who signs over power of attorney.
He never fully explains his decades-long relationship with Epstein.
He gives him the house where there eventually is some financial makeup right here in New York City, the infamous Epstein townhouse for tens of millions of dollars, the largest townhome literally in the entire city.
The home is frequented by all these people.
The home is frequented by Israeli prime ministers and all of these other individuals for meetings and financiers and Prince Andrew and people are staying.
I mean, it's a real destination for the Epstein class.
Yeah.
For all of these classes, multi-billionaires.
Full credit to Rokana, the congressman.
He's the person who coined that client, uh, that term.
And I think it's important.
And, you know, people are like, why do you even care about this?
And I think that this story fundamentally is about how the rule of law does not apply to the rich and powerful, about how morality itself does not exist in many cases within the rich and powerful.
And it also, I think it's an inspiring story.
It demystifies the sources of their wealth and how much greater they are than all of us.
Because the story that Les Wexner and many of the billionaires have said for many years is that Jeffrey Epstein was just this highly sophisticated financial mind, a genius at trading and at tax advice.
I have searched all of these emails.
There's no tax advice.
In fact, there's only one where he sends a link of like a business insider article to his accountant.
He's like, maybe we should try this.
This guy might be good at taxing advice.
So apparently that's rich and large.
Now, let's remember, Leon Black, one of the richest and powerful men here in New York City, is part of the Apollo group, who literally pays Epstein $150 million allegedly for tax advice.
I explained this last time.
He has access to the private wealth houses of every major bank in New York, not Jeffrey Epstein, who is not licensed, not a trader, not a tax accountant, has no specialty.
There's 3 million emails.
I've got tracked emails.
There's no tax advice.
I'm going to ask you just a question, and I'm a complete novice here, right?
Is it possible that the tax advice is actually Epstein's proximity to people in power in our government and that they can get sweetheart deals for each other and allow people to evade taxes while the rest of us are paying full clips?
There's tax evasion, there's money laundering, there's all kinds of a specialty book that Epstein had.
The rich keep getting richer.
The rest of us are suckers for the best.
And they're not doing it by hard work.
They're not doing it by pulling up the business.
That's the funniest thing.
The only indication that we got to Epstein's source of his wealth was Lord Mandelson, who is, by the way, was the UK ambassador to the United States until the Epstein files came out, where he shows he is tipping off Jeffrey Epstein about an upcoming bailout in the UK for insider trading purposes.
And by the way, Prince Paul.
Let me explain how that would work really quickly.
So he knows that there's going to be a government bailout.
He sends Jeffrey Epstein an email giving him an update that this bailout is coming.
This is publicly announced.
And thus, what are we able to see?
Lord Mandelson, he goes specifically Peter Mandelson secretly advising the CEO also on how to fight the Labor's 2009 bankers' bonus tax, even after suggesting he, quote, mildly threatened the chancellor.
Mandelson was then the business secretary.
So there's two specific things here.
He's brokering JP Morgan, pressuring the current UK administration of the time and tipping him off for insider trading purposes as to what's happening.
But the tip-off, for example, is if you knew this bailout was coming, you could, you know, take some positions that would be advantageous to you and your cronies in the stock market that the rest of us would not know about.
So the rest of us are sitting there and be like, oh, is the UK going to bail him out or not?
I mean, I have no idea.
It's not public information.
Now, this is information coming directly into his inbox.
This is the clearest picture that we have about outright criminality.
Do you know who's really doing insider trading?
What?
The girl that cooks with Snoop Dogg.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
Smart insider.
This is a classic.
This is a classic example of what we're saying: is that these people get away with all of the things that lower-level people will be prosecuted for.
There's a famous statistic: like if you make less than $25,000, you're 10 times more likely to get indicted by the IRS than somebody who makes over $2 million.
It's like, you know, exactly, right?
And so, like, why?
Because they're easy cases.
You send them a letter, you take their money.
If you want to battle somebody with like two, five, 10, 15, 25, you're in court for decades, right?
They have an army of attorneys.
And that's why the inversion of the law is allows this permission structure for the entire American and global elite where they get away with financial crimes.
Get away with money laundering, but they also get away with some of the most heinous crimes that I think, as a society, we have decided, which is the abuse and the traffic of women.
Now, notice, I'm saying women.
There are underage girls that are involved here, but I also think it's really disgusting to obscure the role that these men played in abusing a lot of these, especially Eastern European women at the time.
Tens of millions of dollars of wire transfers from multiple banks, JP Morgan, Deutsche Bank, right here in New York City.
By the way, if anyone wants to check my work, the New York Department of Financial Services back in 2020 fined multiple of these banks and laid out how they violated their own internal bank policies by allowing all of these wire transfers.
If you or I go into the bank and we try to withdraw 9,900, even though that's technically not illegal because it's below the 10,000 lives would say, they'll be like, oh, this is very suspicious.
You know, because that seems like you're trying to evade.
He did stuff like that all the time.
And they're like, oh, it was for tips.
Like they violated all their internal policies.
They violated the law, actually, because that's why they got fined.
They enabled tens of millions of wire transfers all over the globe to these Eastern European women.
And that's the heart of the Epstein story for abuse: both foreign women who many cases were brought to the United States, all under false pretenses.
Maybe they were told they were doing modeling.
Remember, Epstein is linked to multiple people who were involved with modeling agencies.
You have Les Wexner over at Victoria's Secret, Jean-Luc Brunel, the now famous Frenchman who was behind the modeling agency.
By the way, Jean-Luc Brunel.
What happened to him?
Yeah, he died in prison, actually.
Actually, let's see what I have over here.
Do we have the story?
Yeah, Jean-Luc Brunel was found dead in his Paris prison cell.
I think it's in foreign reaction.
Griffin, can you go to France Open's investigation in the document?
So they actually just yesterday announced that the French will be doing a raid into an Epstein-linked associate who at the time was a major figure in the French government and was part of this thing now called the Arab World Institute.
But what's even more interesting is that on the Brunel investigation, they're reopening the case.
And I think that's another thing I want to emphasize to the audience.
Our government is the only government where there's not serious investigation.
The UK.
Why is that?
Yeah, the UK stripped, they stripped Lord Mandelson of his ambassadorship.
Now he's under criminal investigation by Scotland Yard.
The prime minister, Kier Starmer, was up there for PMQs, which is great if you don't know what I'm talking about, where the prime minister has to sit there and just get shit on by the opposition and answer questions.
And he's like, yes, we knew about his relationship.
Like the Starmer government is in literal, like, it's problematic.
Like, it might acknowledge that they knew about his existing relationship with Epstein before they still appointed him as ambassador.
But even worse, they're like, well, of course, we didn't know.
They're talking about stripping him of his lordship title, which hasn't been done apparently in like a long time.
Yeah, if you're looking at the screen, that's a photo of the esteemed UK ambassador in his underwear with some girl there in a bathrobe.
I think he's gay, so you know, I don't really know what was going on there.
But just giving in, you know, just one of those compromise type photos of where you let yourself get photographed and be around this person.
He also, in the emails, sent Epstein things like, I can't believe you're being so unjustly prosecuted back in the 2008 range.
But I'm just giving these examples of other foreign governments are actually doing something about this.
Lord Mandelson is in trouble.
Epstein Passport Scandal00:15:32
Prince Andrew is in deep shit.
Prince Andrew, because everybody focuses on the picture.
What happened to him?
I feel like we have so much stuff.
They actually just ordered it.
Then anybody hit him.
Not only did they strip him.
He hasn't gone to prison.
Not only did they strip him of all his royal titles, he's actually being investigated right now because Prince Andrew was a UK trade advisor while he was friends with Jeffrey Epstein, and he was forwarding confidential trade advisory documents to Epstein.
That's one of the things that came out in the files.
Prince Andrew's currently under investigation by Scotland Yard and the British police.
Now, other foreign governments, I just told you, France just did a raid.
They're reopening the investigation of Jean-Luc Michelle.
Real quick.
I mean, like, isn't the easiest way to see who's connected in the financial crimes is just to see which bank or hedge fund is beating the S ⁇ P 500?
Well, I mean, isn't that the most simple?
It's like, if you are clocking 25% a year for a decade, you know something.
Yeah, but that's not just about, that's a big live.
There's no proof.
That's like, of course, that's a systemic corruption.
But I think part of this, the systemic corruption, I think is part of the thing that's so infuriating.
Obviously, obviously, pedophilia, infuriating.
We're all on board with this.
This is disgusting.
And we should wipe these people from the face of the earth.
But what you spoke about earlier, which is this idea that these people have achieved this massive success, and we're left to think, oh, I guess they're just smarter than us.
They just know things that we don't know.
And it's like, yeah, they do.
They know insider trading.
And they're all scratching each other's backs.
And when they do get caught for something, reach out to a guy like Epstein or you reach out to a guy like Lord Mandelson and you make sure that that's wiped from the record.
Let's give a good example of that.
Like in intelligence, Griffin, can you put up the tweet of mine, help with the Russian girl blackmail?
So this is a great example of how the power network works.
This is going to link together women, blackmail, and foreign intelligence connections.
So back in 2015, here's Epstein, and he sends this email to a Russian associate.
How are you?
I need a favor.
There is a Russian girl from Moscow.
She's attempting to blackmail a group of powerful businessmen in New York.
It is bad for business for everyone involved.
She arrived New York Saturday last week staying at the Four Seasons on 57th Street.
Suggestions?
Question marks?
Right.
Yeah, so he's like, she's blackmailing my friend who's a powerful businessman.
Here's her.
Here's her address.
Here's her address.
This is very bad for business.
What do we do about it?
Now, who is the person he emailed?
Let's go to the one underneath that, Griffin, the Russian connection.
The person he was emailing was a billionaire tie.
He was the billionaire tied with an FSB Academy graduate.
The FSB is basically like the secret service of Russia.
He is a Putin-linked oligarch.
And in fact, they discover his name is Sergei Belyakov, who is the deputy minister of economic development and later the head of the St. Petersburg Economic Forum Foundation, which runs the International Economic Foundation in Russia.
Now, how do things work in Russia?
Intelligence, oligarchy, it's all connected, right?
And so you need somebody to go away.
Rich guys in Russia, they're also part of the former intelligence service.
It's never technically something that's part of XFSB.
So here's an explicit example that we have here.
Wow.
An intelligence connection, a business associate, black male on behalf of powerful businesses.
Powerful.
We're all working together.
Did anything happen to that girl?
Huh?
No, actually, we haven't been able to find out whether anything happened to that girl.
There's some speculation that this was a woman who was involving Leon Black, who eventually did pay tens of millions of dollars in hush money in a separate suit where he was accused of some sexual stuff.
Like, again, he denies it.
He litigates and vigorously defends himself.
But I don't know exactly who this woman is.
Can you bring that back up for a second, Griffin?
Because in the email, it says New York businessmen.
We were businessmen in New York.
So these would be American businessmen that are being compromised by a foreign asset.
Correct.
Potentially.
And now it has come to Jeffrey Epstein's attention by, I imagine, these businessmen or somebody else.
And they need to remove the compromising person or the compromising person.
So Epstein becomes not only this person who fixes tax problems or rather money laundering, but he also can potentially make people go away.
What I'm trying to understand, like we were talking about those a little bit before, is like, where does this leverage come from?
How does somebody get into a position of power where not only do the business class of the or the business elites of the Epstein class go to him, but you actually have connectivity with the government as well?
Yeah.
So let's go to the let's go to the origin story, if we will.
So origin story I have in my document.
We're going to start with the Mossad email, Griffin, if we can.
This just gets to, again, this kind of ties everything together.
So, in the origin story question, or actually, sorry, origin story, let's do false passport because that actually even predates that.
Okay, so let's start with the false passport.
So, I actually, the last time I was on here, I talked about false passports.
Now, we actually have a picture of that passport.
So, let's take a look at that passport.
Go to the next one just to show everybody.
Here's a very, very young Jeffrey Epstein in a false Austrian passport.
Now, what does somebody want to tell me about false Austrian passports back in the 1980s, back when Jeffrey Epstein's only 29 years old?
This is during the 1980s.
Austria, if you guys have never been, I highly recommend it.
And my tour guide, even when I was there, was telling me Austria was the nexus of spies because Austria was a neutral country after World War II.
And it's where the U.S. and the Soviet Union had some of the highest concentration of spies of anywhere in the world.
And so, here we have, right at the height of the Cold War, a false Austrian passport, which has now been released as part of the Epstein files.
This is long before he's very rich.
This is, like I said, he's only 29 years old.
So, already in the very beginning, we see indications of this intelligence activity.
Now, why and how do you procure a false Austrian passport?
You don't get a false passport.
That's a comment I made before.
You don't.
There's no such thing as a false passport.
There's a passport under false pretenses issued to you by a spy agency.
Okay.
So, which agency would issue that?
Exactly.
That's a very interesting question.
What's your passport?
Let's, for intelligence, let's go to the FOIA CIA in 1999 document.
This is a very interesting document that was flogged.
Can I explain what a FOIA is?
FOIA is a Freedom of Information Act request.
You, any of us actually, can just FOIA any agency.
There are a lot of rules around what can be FOIA and whatnot, but you can pay your own fees and you can say, I want this under the Freedom of Information Act about something.
As long as there's a rigorous review process, et cetera, you need a pretty good lawyer if you're going to get something, which is actually scandalous and you'll have to fight it for a decade in court.
But technically, it is available to you.
You have access to information that has been procured by the government.
Yeah, the government has.
There are certain exceptions.
Congress can't be FOIA, White House can't be FOIA, but executive agencies can.
And so you could FOIA somebody's emails.
Like I could FOIA my name in the Department of Treasury if I wanted to.
So you can see if they're looking into the- Or like, hey, did you see what Sagar said on this podcast?
Right.
I could see, that's interesting.
It's a, for a journalist, we actually get free FOIA sometimes, depending on the exemption.
But this is a 1999 FOIA that Epstein sent anonymously via his attorney to obtain, quote, all CIA records that might reflect an open or otherwise acknowledged agency affiliation between himself and the CIA.
He did it again in 2011 to see if the CIA still would acknowledge any links with him 12 years since.
1999 is a very important year.
1999 is at the height of what we call the unipolar moment.
This is after the fall of the Soviet Union.
And it's when a lot of the Cold War shenanigans were beginning to wind down.
After 92, when everything really went away and Russia became democratic, the Cold Warriors, people like Epstein, Adnan Khashoggi, Iran-Contra, the money launderers, they kind of fell out of service because we don't need them anymore.
But this gets to my, I'm just, I'm pointing and painting a picture of we have a guy with a false passport in the 1980s.
We have a guy in the 1999 saying, hey, what's going on?
Why aren't you acknowledging your links with me?
Last time I was on here, I described how there's a previous story from Rolling Stone.
Again, everything I'm saying, I want to be able to make sure people can go and they can check my work.
You can go to Spy Origins, I think.
And what we're looking at in this is an Epstein story that was written by Vicki Ward, the OG journalist who wrote about Jeffrey Epstein.
She talks about how Epstein was alleged to have been on a private plane to the Pentagon in the 1980s.
And he's involved deeply with Adnan Khashoggi, Douglas Lease, other arms control, arms traffickers who are at the heart of Iran-Contra.
And now people might ask why.
And this is where the initial leverage thing comes in.
Epstein gets fired for Bear Stearns for financial crimes in the 1980s or lying about financial, effectively money laundering in the 1980s.
He becomes an expert, in my opinion, at money laundering and moving money across the globe.
Why does the CIA need that?
So I explained this to you a little bit, Andrew.
One of the things that happened after the church committee is that you briefly explain the church committee because I think it's important to understand how that changed.
The church committee was a congressional investigation into all the shenanigans of the CIA in the 1970s.
And so it exposed MKUltra, COINTELPRO, all of these crazy things that were happening on U.S. soil.
You know, I mean, the coup in Iran, right?
Like all of the sanctioned blowing up Castro's cigar, trying to get his beard, all the insane shit that they used to do.
So the CIA.
In other words, America is doing some nefarious things around the world and within the country.
And I guess the United States citizens, or at least our government representatives, put forward this idea that we should be able to have transparency with that and understand what's going on.
So it is a good thing.
How can we hold people accountable if we don't know what they're doing?
This gets passed, and now we're able to hold them accountable.
And I'm sure when the CIA saw that, they're like, well, let's just stop doing all this bad things.
Right, of course.
They would never keep doing that.
What actually ends up is worse.
This is what gives rise to the arms traffickers because now the CIA can no longer do it under official auspices.
Now they have to hire Jeffrey Epstein's Agnon Khashoggis.
They need cutouts.
They need the magma, the blacks.
We can't go back to them.
They need that black operators, right?
Because what they do is they use them as cutouts to continue doing the same stuff.
This is how Iran-Contra happens.
Iran-Contra, if it was 1960, they would have just kept doing it, right?
But in 1980, they're like, well, it's explicitly against the law.
We need to hire a guy.
We need to move money here.
Sell it here, sell drugs, and move arms to the Sandinistas and all this other nonsense.
And that's why it's such a scandal.
But that's why you need an Epstein in the 1980s.
Because this is after the church committee period, you need these cutout, dirty characters.
And these dirty characters give rise to the take-in line, a very specific set of skills, which is moving money surreptitiously across the globe.
So how do they get chosen?
So the government knows that they need somebody that they can trust, but people that do bad things are not often trustworthy.
Right, exactly.
And people who do bad things know other people who do bad things.
That's how Epstein gets his entree: Epstein, he's a young man.
He's only in his mid-20s.
He gets fired from Bear Stearns.
He was on the up and up.
He never should have been there in the first place.
It's pretty sketchy how he even got there.
And now all of a sudden, he's in with Lise and Khashoggi and all of these other arms dealers who are like, hey, let's use your set of skills for this stuff I've got going on.
And now you start to build up a portfolio.
And once you've done one thing, you can do another thing.
You develop an expertise.
That's when he starts his company.
If you get a portfolio, you get leverage over the most powerful governments in the world.
Exactly.
Which is why this 1999 letter is very important.
Just to say, just reminding you.
By the way, remember, this is before he's convicted.
This is before anything is out in the open.
In case you guys want to indict me, this is what I know about you.
Or maybe he's like, you need to hire me again.
Or there's going to be some problems here, right?
To me, that's a shakedown letter.
That's the way that I saw it.
It's like, listen, I need some more business coming my way because either business is down or something like that.
I need more leverage.
But the question of the initial leverage is that.
Also, there's all these interesting connections to Leslie Wexner and to Iran-Contra.
So I think this is going to be in the drop site link.
I forget which tab this is in, Griffin.
Yeah.
Before Dropsite Epstein Israel archives.
Could it also have been maybe he was checking to see if he's been compromised?
Yes.
Say if he was already an agent, he's like, hey, let me see if my name's coming up anymore.
So I think he wanted to remind them, I've been around.
Where's my acknowledgement?
What's going on with this?
So these are my colleagues and my friends over at DropSite.
They've done a ton of great stuff about Epstein and Israel.
But let's go to the Les Wexner Iran-Contra.
Before we go into that, you said 1992.
You were referencing the fall of the Russian USSR.
So the perestroikas in like 1992.
I think it was 1990.
I think the full fall of the Soviet Union is 91, 92.
I need to check.
Whenever the Yeltsin election is like when everything changes.
Talking to Judo Julian Dory, he does a lot of like great investigative stuff on this.
And he had positive interesting theory because I think when they interviewed Epstein's, like the guy would clean up his house, he would work for him forever.
Okay.
There's this interview.
I think like Edwards, is that the guy's name?
The lawyer who is representing the victims in Palm Beach.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
And so I think they went to talk to him.
And I think he said something in that interview where he was like, Epstein was like doing okay in like 90 in 1990 or the 80s and 91.
And then 1992, he said something happened.
Something changed.
Like that's when the big mansions are coming through.
That's when he's, you know, talking about private jets, et cetera.
Yeah.
Now, Julian connected it to Robert Maxwell.
But he was like, maybe this is Maxwell hiding his money, transfers it over to Epstein.
That's why Ghelane's at his hip because that's her access to her family's fortune.
And this way, Maxwell doesn't have to give it back to the people that he stole it from in Great Britain.
But bringing up the fall of the USSR is a kind of interesting pivot there because there are a lot of people that made insane wealth in that period.
All the oligarchs come to power during that time.
During that time period.
And then they, you know, remade under Putin.
No, you're right.
Actually, I wouldn't even say, yeah, I would say they were limited in some ways under.
It depends.
Yeah.
He removed some and made new ones.
Putin sat them all down, apparently, in this meeting, which I'm sure has been propagandized for years.
But I read a book called Once Upon a Time in Russia by this guy named Ben Mesnerick.
And apparently he sits them all down and he goes, it's over.
Like he literally brings them all to like the Moscow presidential state or whatever.
He sits them all down.
He goes, okay, guys, it's over.
So you guys work for me now.
And you can still make money, but you're going to do what I say.
And I'm going to get a piece of the pie.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're exactly right.
He basically made it instead of like free market robber baron capitalism in terms of state-sponsored oligarchy.
Yes.
But the oligarchy continues.
Yes.
I think it's actually Les Wexner because 1991, a lot of people forget that is the year that Wexner signs over power of attorney to Jeffrey Epstein.
So 91.
So he's saying 92 is when things explode.
It does make sense that there's an injection of capital.
What type of, I don't think what's so peculiar is that there hasn't even been an interview with this Wexner guy, yet he's the most direct connection with money to Epstein, right?
Like we know for a fact that this guy gave boatloads of money to Epstein.
Why are we not sitting down with this guy and having some sort of, why is there not at least some version of an indictment?
Yeah, he's 88 years old.
Remember, he was listed as a co-conspirator in the original document by the FBI.
He's the source potentially of Epstein's wealth.
If you go back to that, Griffin, the Epstein thing, I can even show how going back decades that there's these long links between Epstein and Wexner, what Dropsite reported, Epstein, Israel, and the CIA, how Iran contraplanes landed at Les Wexner's base.
Epstein helped Leslie Wexner repurpose CIA Iran contraplanes from arms smuggling to shipping lingerie.
So this is a story from the 90s.
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Break this down.
Break this down.
Hold on.
How the Iran contraplanes landed at Lex Wesner's base?
Yes.
Is this in Ohio?
This is in Ohio.
And this is why it's all very important.
So as they show.
Wait a minute.
This is actually.
Okay, now we understand why there might be some protection of Wexner because he's also one of these intermediaries.
Right.
Right.
So the government is like, look, you scratched our back.
So we're going to kind of protect you as much as we can because we couldn't do these nefarious acts without both of you.
So Wexner's also a cutout.
And here's my favorite line.
Yeah.
I mean, that's the question.
Well, it's possible.
Remember, when we say cutouts, and people, let's say cutouts, let's say, even some out for intelligence.
And I said this last time.
They're like, oh, Epstein worked for Mossad.
No, no, no, no.
He worked with Mossad.
My friend Ryan, who wrote this piece, likes to say Mossad worked for him.
As in like CIA, Mossad, Russia, FSB, the world's super intelligence networks, they work for the rich and powerful, for the global elite, and for the oligarchs.
And so, if anything, to say worked for is kind of denigrating.
It's like, no, it's the opposite, right?
We work together.
Exactly.
You have a banana farm in Costa Rica, and they're going to make sure there's leaders in your plan.
We mutually work together.
We maybe land some planes.
I love this line from Ryan.
Of course, it could be an extraordinary coincidence that Epstein shared a penthouse with an Iran-Contra lawyer, worked for an Iran-Contra arms dealer, and then, as we report now, moved Iran-Contra planes to Ohio for use by the billionaire retail mogul, Leslie Wexner.
It may simply be a coincidence that Eyud Barak, one of Epstein's closest friend, was the head of Israel's military intelligence during the planning for Iran-Contra, supervised the CIA's first delivery.
It also might be something that people should take a closer look at if they're so inclined.
So that puts it all together, right?
Doesn't it?
It puts it all together.
You have Israel, you have the U.S., you have CIA, you have Wexner, you have the Iran-Contra planes.
This is the origin story, the initial leverage.
Then there's a question of Wexner and any of these people.
The analogy that I gave last time was if you remember the movie Argo, well, the CIA could not just put up a front production company.
They had to go to Hollywood and they, as you remember, he hires the guys who they create, but they're real.
It's a real thing, but it's their money.
And then it's all on behalf of intelligence networks.
Now, do they work for the CIA?
Not really.
They work together, right?
You know, they work together on this one specific operation.
The world's global elite.
Yeah, the world's global.
No, they're 1099.
They're 1099 contractors, right?
Like these guys, like they work sometimes together.
He mostly is working for Victoria's Secret.
But if the CIA needs something, okay, let's make it happen.
Like let's, you know, who the CIA needs access to resources.
Why would Wexner claim something like this?
Right, of course.
Why not?
You know, why?
Why would it be advantageous to him?
What kind of time?
He's a patriotic American.
I don't know.
He's a patriotic supporter of the state of Israel, right?
Which maybe has its own interest in Iran-Contra.
I mean, he himself is a committed Zionist.
He's donated millions of dollars to Zionist causes here in the U.S. There's a Wexner fellowship over at Hardover University.
He paid Eyud Barak, his foundation, $2 million to write two reports, one of which was never finished.
Literally, one of which Chris never finished.
Great work if he can get it.
I mean, just showing the money in terms of how this all stuff works.
And again, he has this extraordinary hold.
You're getting a real bad guy right now.
Yeah, but Epstein has this extraordinary hold on Wexner.
And that's always the question.
Is it blackmail?
Is it these past intelligence connections?
Like, what is one can only speculate?
Leslie Wexner is still alive.
He's an 88-year-old man.
All he's ever said about this is, I regret ever knowing him.
That's it.
That's basically all he's ever said.
One public statement.
He apologized for his previous relationship.
He says he regrets ever knowing Jeffrey Epstein.
And he says, I cut off my relations with him a long, long time ago.
Not 100% true.
And he alleges that Epstein was stealing money from him.
Not that he had cut relations off with him for anything related to his own behavior.
That's why he regrets ever knowing him.
I mean, remember in the birthday book, Leslie Wexner drew a picture of literally a pair of boobs and being like, hey, Jeffrey, this is the only thing that you actually want.
I mean, it's all out in the open.
It's disgusting.
Like the way that these guys operate.
I thought about that with a birthday book too, you know, with you guys.
Like, am I the only guy who's like, when my friend is his birthday, I'm like, hey, man, love you, dude.
Happy birthday.
Am I the only guy?
What happens if he punches me?
Is it just like, am I the weird one who isn't writing violent fantasies?
Yeah.
I mean, like, Jeffrey.
Exactly.
You pay taxes and do the normal shit with your friends when they're cryptic poems.
I reminisce about us being 18-year-old men violently potentially rapping children.
Yeah, or Trump, like every day is a wonderful secret.
Or, I mean, actually, if you want, Griffin, I'm still trying to find this person, and I would love to put it on a platform like this one.
I think it's in the Pizzagate section.
If we look at, there's the birthday book suggestive child image.
That's my label.
I have never been able to find the person who.
Oh, sorry.
Actually, that's not this one.
I need to.
Quick question.
Let's take a look at Wexler.
He's like, by the way, that was in the birthday book, just so we're all, if we're all clear, is a young woman suggestively posing.
That was literally in the birthday book.
Submitted by one of their parents, which is sick and disgusting.
Submitted by the parents.
Apparently, that's one of the things.
What does it say here?
A new series of pictures.
Yeah.
Looking coolest.
Yeah, looking coolest.
That's literally a youngescent girl posing in her pajamas for Jeffrey Epstein, which was included in the book.
I'd have to try and find.
Yeah, I can't.
I don't have it here in the document, but there's a, there's a, oh, I know.
It's going to be an eyes wide shut.
That's what it is.
In the eyes wide shut section, eyes wide shut birthday book.
I have never been able to find this person.
So this was this image that was in the Epstein book where, again, I have no idea what it was, but this kind of reminds me of the movie like An Eyes Wide Shut when they're playing the piano because there's a piano there at the center and then these pink chairs where people are like watching in the middle.
And then there's like some, it seems to be like a girl or something like there in the middle in some sort of distress in like this creepy area.
And this is clearly drawn by a very small child.
The person who drew it allegedly is signed there, Alberto Frederic Gomez.
I've never been able to find him.
He at one point was here in New York City.
I've never, I have, I have tried so hard to find this person.
So Alberto, if you're out there, I'd love to talk to you because I still don't know what the hell is going on.
I don't think he wants to talk to you.
Well, he was a child whenever he drew this.
He was probably a victim if he was included here in the book, but he seems to be some wealthy guy.
I think he's overseas now currently.
But at one point when this was taken, as I understand it, he was a child here in the United States.
And he was actually here in New York City.
And it's included in the birthday book.
It's included in the birthday book.
By a parent, ostensibly?
I would assume by a parent.
I mean, how else would he have this relationship with a small boy, you know, being able to write stuff?
Like, that's the big question.
And we know the age.
I don't know.
I don't know his age.
I draw this as a 42-year-old.
That's what I'm saying.
It's maybe not a case.
That could be a different personality.
I found a reference to him in the 2000s where he was already a teenager, which is roughly around when this would have been happening.
So I could confirm that he was young, if that's the same person.
And I'm pretty sure it is.
I tracked down, there was a gallery here in New York where at one point he did some work with, but the gallery refuses to answer any of my questions.
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Bunch of great comedians.
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The other co-conspirators that were named, there were a few of them that you can't even Google.
Like nothing pops up about them.
Have you found out anything on those people?
It's interesting.
So let's go to the co-conspirators.
Let's go to the six co-conspirators video.
This is from Rokana.
He got some criticism for this because these were men who were mentioned in the documents and some of them had no relation to Epstein, according to them.
Again, according to them, but they're private citizens.
And so I'm even weary of even putting their names up or any of that because Rokana is the person who, the Rokana is the person who went out.
We don't need to play it, Griffin, just to show people.
He read it on the house floor.
You can do that without, you know, without being legally liable, but I'm just pointing out that those were the names that were listed.
I'll say for the two that we do know of, Sultan Ahmed bin Solyam is a very important one.
He just stepped down, didn't he?
Yes, he did.
And he was the CEO of Dubai Ports, which is a very important Nexus in the UAE.
And actually, I think Dropsight has some stories there, Griffin.
If we want to go to their archive about the Dubai connection, because what he was doing with the Dubai ports executive is that he was working with Sultan.
By the way, Sultan Soyam.
Epstein was working with Sultan Soyam.
Sultam is the one who famously sent the email about the torture video.
By the way, we actually do have an explanation.
And shout out actually to Michael Tracy.
Michael Tracy found the torture video was a scandal at the time regarding the UAE.
So we can put that one to bed.
It's not actually a video of girls being tortured where they reference torture video, which is inside of it.
But it is a torture video.
No, yeah, it is, but it's not like it's not what people originally thought.
So here we go.
Here's some dropside.
Praise Allah, there are people like you.
Epstein nurtured Israel-Emirate ties before the Abraham Accords, and they specifically talk about his relationship here with the chief of Dubai Ports World and pitch Israeli logistics infrastructure and cybersecurity investments to the UAE.
Question.
Yes.
Do you think it's let's say that he was one of these intermediaries, right?
Do you think that's enough to have this type of global leverage?
Yeah, I do.
Absolutely.
Because it all compounds on each other.
It's what I was talking about with Iran-Contra.
You start with Bear Stearns, then you go to Iran-Contra, you go to Money Laundering, you open the Epstein company, you get Wexner.
You only need one.
You guys know this information.
I just thought about something because I've always thought about like, why when they were done using him, did they not just kill him?
And they eventually did.
Well, they did kill him.
Yes, but.
Well, maybe.
But let's say that.
They killed him.
But I go, well, why not just kill them immediately when they're using him?
And I wonder if it gets out there that you murder all of your intermediaries, you murder all your assets, you're not going to get the people that are going to be willing to sign up for it.
So in a weird way, you could say the government is in a little bit of a pickle.
They're like, we have this guy that has leverage over us.
They know we could kill him, but if we kill them, then anybody else is probably going to take the secrets they know about us and run to a country that's going to offer them protection.
So you do have a disproportionate amount of leverage on the most powerful countries in the world when you're in these positions.
Also, you only are going to kill somebody if they're a problem for you.
And I think a lot of people forget Epstein was not a problem until 2019.
Break this down, bro.
They kill him so soon.
Right.
So if you really think about it, after he actually became a problem, is how quickly he was died in prison.
Within a month.
Right, literally.
Like in terms of his custody.
And by the way, he was cooperating with the government potentially and had a meeting with his lawyer days before his suicide about cooperation, which may have been, let's say, the precipitation.
But you wouldn't right there from the files.
You wouldn't say the first conviction in 2008, he was.
That's not, that's the opposite of a problem.
That was a cover-up.
That was like, dude, that was barely local news.
That was Palm Beach Post saying, hey, here's Jeffrey Epstein.
He pled guilty to solicitation of prostitution involving a minor.
It's a very low-level crime.
She was just 17 years old.
He had no way of knowing.
He gets to go.
I didn't know she was.
Yeah, I didn't know she was killing him.
And nobody knows that there were 40 women that were alleging.
Exactly.
They don't know a girl as young as 14 in the same indictment.
The last time I was here, I talked about the secret indictment.
We actually have a secret indictment now.
It was released as part of the Epstein files.
Everyone should read it.
We're talking about 14, 15, 16-year-old girls asking a girl who's 15, hey, sweetheart, do you have any girls who are younger than you?
This is in federal documents that were alleged.
That's what, remember, that indictment, which was secured against him, was ditched in favor of the plea deal where he just has to plead guilty.
And when he had to plead guilty to solicitation of prostitution with somebody who's underage, they found the oldest girl.
So they picked the 17-year-old.
So a lot of Epstein defenders thought, oh, she was only seven.
No, no.
The indictment specifically says 14, 15, 16, and 17.
Yes, old girl.
But they pick the oldest girl that he pleads guilty to, which allows him to just say she's only 17.
We have literally a 14-year-old named in the secret indictment.
This is why I wanted it to be released.
There is an interesting narrative that came out afterwards where people go, because who was it?
Podesta said, I was told that he was intelligence.
Oh, no, Alex Acosta.
So I left that constantly.
That's an alleged quote.
Never told you.
Okay, alleged, alleged.
Allegedly, he goes, I was told that he was intelligence.
And then he backtracks from that later on.
And then there's another time where he goes, no, he had no.
There's three different times where I think he's recently denied it.
And he denied it.
Right.
But now that we know everything, right?
Like, can't we add a little bit more credence to the alleged first quote?
Which one?
When he goes, I was told to intelligence.
I mean, I don't know.
Why else would he do this?
Let's say this person is singularly focused on, well, clearly not justice, because if you're focused on justice for these girls, then you're going to throw the book at them.
Correct.
So he's probably focused on like furthering his career.
Right.
And if he's focused on furthering his career, you don't want to have that on your record.
Right.
So why else would he do it unless he had immense leverage?
Well, career is important.
But this is going to kill your career if this comes out.
Well, it didn't come out for decades until he was literally the secretary of labor within the Trump administration.
I guess my point is somebody's going to have to promise him that this is not going to come out.
And it wasn't.
Remember, guys, none of this was supposed to happen.
The only reason that this wasn't totally done and dusted by him coming.
Like all the government had to do for that 2007 plea deal, all they had to do, they could have given the sweetheart deal.
All they had to do was go to the victims and say, hey, guys, we're doing this deal.
That's it.
And then none of this would have happened.
Wow.
Because they did not do it, they violated the Crime Victims Rights Act, which said that they have to be notified.
And again, they don't have to agree.
They just have to be notified.
By not notifying them because they're ashamed of what they did, they violated the victims' civil rights, which makes void the non-prosecution agreement.
Now, Ghelene Maxwell is currently in court and actually went all the way to the Supreme Court saying, my entire prosecution is unjust because y'all promised me immunity back in 2007.
She's like, my immunity has been violated from the non-prosecution agreement.
We agreed, agreed in good faith, on good terms, that you would give me and all, you would give Epstein and all his co-conspirators federal immunity of prosecution.
And she is saying that the non-prosecution agreement is still valid.
That's the legal basis.
So all of this is a paperwork error based on the Epstein, on the Epstein victims not being notified.
That's why this whole thing is she was able to be charged because that immunity was voided.
Exactly.
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What about all the other co-conspirators?
Well, they're also unvoided, right?
So they can be prosecuted.
So why haven't we got that?
That's a great question.
Why was he only went after that?
Maybe that's why he was in 2019.
Epstein is indicted, very shortly ends up dead.
He's potentially involving cooperation with the government, as we saw in the files, literally from his own legal team, which showed that they're potentially exploring cooperation.
His own brother says he wasn't going to kill himself.
Who's the famous doctor?
Michael Biden.
Michael Biden just came out again being like, I'm sorry, this is not consistent at all with the suicide.
We won't show it here because it's really graphic, but in the Epstein files, there are actually photos released of the corpse.
You can see the, you can see the marks on the neck immediately after CPR was given and intubation.
The marks on the neck from the consistent story, that it looks very deep.
Like it does not look consistent, I would say, with the official story of his own hanging and the way that it was done.
Again, I'm not an expert, but I trust Michael Biden.
I think he's very, very intelligent, well-known forensic pathologist.
He says that, what is it, the break in the hyod bone, and specifically the way that you can all see it just is not consistent.
Oh, and the body double.
Let's not forget that.
Let's put that up there.
All right.
So in the files, they actually talked about due to the large new media presence outside MCC, a male official called and said he would be arriving at the loading dock with a black vehicle.
In order to thwart media, blank used boxes and sheets to create what appeared to be a human body, which was put into a white vehicle, which the press followed, allowing a black vehicle to depart unnoticed with Epstein's body.
Oh, he's alive.
Yeah.
So, well, yeah, that's alive.
Crystal and I were talking about this.
I was like, I would have given it zero, and now I'm like 1%.
I'm still at one.
I'm still at one.
She's at, I think she's at like 20, but yeah, I'm at 1%.
Mark is about to explode right now.
Mark has been researching this nonstop 10 years.
Okay.
Mark, tell me what you're feeling right now.
Well, I mean, I'm not an expert, but like, again, it's just all so weird.
Like, there's just been so much conversation for the past 10 years about, oh, yeah, there's elite people that are connected through this mutual blackmail using underage, you know, girls to basically coerce each other and they operate the entire global stage.
And you were called crazy for it forever.
Forever.
And then now it's everyone's just like, yeah, we always knew this.
Right.
It's like, what?
No.
No, what do you mean now?
People are like, we always knew this.
Yeah, like, because now you just hear people talking from establishment media being like, duh.
Of course, I'll be honest, that is annoying to hear.
It is annoying to hear people say this.
Like, obviously, when you were called a spook, a quack, a chimpal, a half maniac for even positing some of these things.
I covered this story.
I checked.
My very first video on Epstein was seven, maybe eight years ago, actually.
So when I, for the entire time I've covered it, why are you talking about this?
When we're a kook, weirdo.
Oh, Sagar's on his Epstein thing.
It's like, oh, it's just like his UFO obsession.
Like, that's what that's the way that it was talked about.
We did the Netflix special.
We should get vindicated for that one soon.
Thank you.
Yeah, I will.
That's my next one.
There's a piece that's the second episode of the special that is like, you could watch it as if we put it out yesterday on Epstein.
Yeah.
Wow.
It's on Epstein conspiracies.
Everything's going to be a good idea.
Was that your straight-off camera one?
Yeah.
Oh, you've been seeing a credit doing that.
Of course, you do an amazing asset test.
And like, you know, and it's just crazy.
It's just crazy this conversation is still going.
Now, I think that was at a time that, you know, people were starting to kind of like open up and wise enough to the internet was a little bit.
We also didn't have all the information.
So we took some swings.
The swings, I think, through these files have been a little validated.
Well, let's talk about them.
Completely validated.
But that's it is important.
I do think.
And so this is where some of the scold media is like, this has gotten totally out of control.
People think they're like cannibalizing.
It's like, no, cannibal was the name of a restaurant, actually, in terms of the reference of the files.
And like people sometimes don't like that I bring up that many of the most salacious or unsubstantiated stuff has a quote innocent explanation or at very least a much more reasonable explanation than the worst one.
But what I'm trying to say though is that at its height, the worst of what we believed is that there is a global cabal of rich men who believe that the rules don't apply to them, who routinely enact and engage in immoral behavior is true.
Like it is true.
Like you don't have to take it so far.
Like the business, the businessman blackmail email I showed you guys, like that's it.
That's the whole thing.
Emailing a Russian guy connected to intelligence.
I need this bitch to go away, basically, right?
Like that's as that's as clear-cut as it could get.
It's funny because if I talk to like kind of like lower-level people of like finance or real estate, they're always like, can you believe that they weren't paying taxes?
That's what they're hung up on.
This is unbelievable.
They've been insider trade.
They've been beating the stock market while the wrestlers just sitting there.
What about like the pedophile, right?
It's all like, oh, I could see them doing that.
Right, exactly.
Exactly.
And anybody who's like exposed to this world, even remotely, sees very clearly, like these people, they really don't believe that the rules apply to them.
And the permission structure is that as long as you're useful, you can get away with anything.
So this is what we were, we were talking, I think I was texting you a little about this, but Mark and I were discussing this.
It's like the financial crash, like, what was it, 2000?
2008.
I think in a lot of ways, this was like a permission slip for these folks, right?
It's like they see this massive thing that a lot of these people were part of.
And the other selling these bullshit mortgage packages to people and the people making 20 grand a year buying three different homes.
And the banks get bailed out.
The CEOs get their bonuses.
Everybody gets off scot-free.
And I wonder if there's this feeling like, oh, shit, we can really do whatever the fuck we want.
And I wonder if things like really just ratchet up from there, especially from the insider trading perspective.
Riven, I don't have this email, but can you find the Epstein-Tiel email where they talk about global unrest?
I know you know what I'm talking about.
But there specifically is where they talk, I don't know if it's about Jay-Z, where he's like talking about global unrest.
And he's like, hey, there's all this chaos in the world.
Great for business.
I think he might be talking about Libya, actually.
That's the one that I have to go and find.
The one I'm talking about.
I've just looked forward.
It's not implicating Jay-Z in any type of crime necessarily.
It's saying he's talking about why America is not Brazil.
He says, why is there not rioting in the streets?
Why are poor people not cutting our heads off?
And the conversation basically goes, they have the Super Bowl.
Right in the circus.
And the people that should be rioting are completely happy watching this and kind of sold out by Jay-Z.
Right.
Is what the email says.
Okay.
All right.
I mean, I don't hate it.
But what I found in here is Epstein had a remarkable amount of self-awareness.
Like when Libya was collapsing, he was like, hey, let's get in on this.
He's like, Libya's collapsing.
Let's make some money here.
He's like, I know a guy, a sheikh who knows somebody inside of Libya.
There's a ton of oil.
He's always on the lookout.
Like these people, the way that they operate is they find opportunity where the rest of us have revulsion, right?
But most of us are like, we're going to blackmail their heads of state in order to seize state assets after Gaddafi's killed.
Suggests that he knew Sheikh Hamdan bin Mohammed Rashid al-Maktoum, the crown prince of Dubai, the Sultan disgrace who seemingly made Epstein got in touch.
And basically, yeah, this is about a separate email.
Sorry, I'm still looking for the Libya connection, but that one specifically is about that.
Yeah, I mean, again, I'm paraphrasing the emails and I might be taking it out of context, but it's more or less saying, like, hey, we can get some money.
Basically, Gaddafi has been on a campaign for 30 plus years collecting all this wealth, and now it's just kind of up for grabs.
I'm looking at it right here.
So 2011, and then I'll get to the one that Griffin just pulled up.
Greg Brown and Epstein discuss plans to extort Libyan officials, seize state assets under the pretext of helping rebuild the country with involvement from former MI6 and Mossad.
This all takes place during the Civil War.
But this was a very revealing exchange.
June 2016, Peter Thiel from Jeffrey Epstein to Peter Thiel.
A return to tribalism, counter to globalization, amazing new alliances.
You and I both agreed zero interest rates were too high.
As I said in your office, finding things on their way to collapse was much easier than finding the next bargain.
So you look for collapse, you look, and they're talking about Brexit.
That was kind of the kickoff.
Isn't this the Soros?
Soros investment strategy too?
But this is, this is, I mean, hasn't that been the criticism of Soros?
It's a time-honored tradition.
If we're chaos, you have opportunity.
The rest of us are like, how are we going to pay our bills?
If you're a normal Britain, I mean, look, I thought BRICS was a good idea, but regardless of whether or not a normal Britain is like, we need independence from the EU.
And these people are like, where's the money to be made here?
It's like Libya.
They're arguing about making $15 an hour as minimum wage.
Right, exactly.
These people are like, what's the next government about to collapse?
We're going to extract money.
The leap here that I'm willing to entertain is to say that if they're benefiting and making so much money off of chaos, do they not have a vested interest in causing chaos?
Yes, they do.
And see, that's the whole point.
Is that what you're actually doing?
They're saying the way that they would make money, they would not do it all the time.
It's a little tougher to substantiate from the files, it seems like.
But just walk me through it.
But it would make sense that, oh, if Gaddafi goes down, we can make a ton of money.
Hey, should we try to support some rebel force that's going to depose Gaddafi?
Well, that's where you would say that their entire ideology, which forced Gaddafi from power, which, by the way, was a chosen operation by the United States, is supported by the Epstein class, which is the very type of people who invent this fake doctrine of art.
It's called RTP Responsibility to Protect, where NATO was involved.
Remember, even though NATO is for Europe and we decided to go in no-fly zone, and then Gaddafi literally ends up with a rod shoved off his ass on power in America during that time.
That's right, Obama, exactly.
Right.
So, yeah.
But the thing is, is that it's not really an Obama story because it wasn't just Obama, it was the entire foreign policy apparatus.
Like, you guys don't know this, but like, Libya was one of the most consensus-based decisions in the history of Washington.
So, there was unanimously.
There was nobody who said Libya was a bad idea.
But the idea.
There were more people who said Iraq was a bad idea than who said Libya was a bad idea.
But this is why people claim that the American left is basically center-right of the rest of the world.
You could say the Democratic Party, but the Democratic Party, sure.
But like, basically, because it's just still the same like neoliberal that's go around and like fuck up the world so that we can get money from it.
Yeah, check out AOC's just remarks at Munich, by the way, where she basically said that.
AOC just gave one of the most neoconservative speeches I've ever seen.
Oh, she's running.
Yeah, no, because it was a disaster.
Oh, what?
When the argument was a disaster?
Well, just basically, it was a disaster.
Griffin, if you want to get the clip, we can watch it.
Which one?
Taiwan?
Taiwan was bad, but there was, yeah, let's start with Taiwan.
Taiwan, just to show you.
Let me bring that up.
We all sit here and we argue all these cultural issues about trans, whatever, and it all means absolutely nothing because the actual rich people, regardless of what political side they're on, are making money from destabilizing countries around the world.
Yeah.
So whether it's like disaster capitalism.
I mean, this is what's happening with Ukraine, right?
You have BlackRock, you know, who's pledging to rebuild Ukraine, who's pledging to pay BlackRock, the U.S. government.
And then it's like it becomes a circular disaster financial thing where Zelensky, I mean, he meets with the CEOs of these companies and they say it out loud.
They're like, yeah, we're going to need $750 billion to rebuild Ukraine.
And then who's going to pay for that?
We're going to pay for it.
Europe's going to pay for it.
Goes to the banks to finance the loans.
Which, so what you do is you destroy the country.
After you destroy the country, you fuel the civil war and you make sure it's even more destroyed.
Then after it's all completely destroyed, then you finance the rebuilding of said country.
The only people it's bad for are the people who are there.
Who finances that?
Well, the original, I mean, it's the American people.
Is that who finances?
Well, it's the U.S. government is the CIA.
It's everybody else.
Stupid fucking goys who pay taxes.
Is that it?
But like we watch TV and these people are arguing and it's like they're all friends with each other.
They're all supporting the same candidates that effectively do the same agenda just with a different wrapping.
Right.
So that they all get money.
And we pretend like it's real.
Yeah.
To me, that's.
Is this Taiwan, Griffin?
This is the Taiwan specific.
Okay, let's take a look at the larger people.
I want you guys to hear it just to show like this.
I think it's in Munich.
This is talking about.
So yeah, let me set the stage.
The Munich Security Conference is the go-to.
It's like that is where the world's foreign policy is decided.
So Putin gives a famous speech there.
JD Vance gave a famous speech there.
It's a long and storied history of like the nexus of NATO.
It's kind of like the World Economic Forum for Foreign Policy.
So AOC going there was a really big deal.
It was a very I'm running for president moment.
And this is what she came away with.
Yeah, it's like 2028 auditions for the Democrats.
You know, first and foremost, I think we need to revisit our commitments to international aid.
Not just USAID, but the dozens of global compacts that this current Secretary of State and President Trump have withdrawn from.
They are looking to withdraw the United States from the entire world so that we can turn into an age of authoritarianisms, of authoritarians that can carve out the world where Donald Trump can command the Western Hemisphere and Latin America as his personal sandbox,
where Putin can saber-rattle around Europe and try to bully around our own allies there, and for essentially authoritarians to have their own geographic domains.
And it actually is the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
It is our global alliances that can be a hard stop against authoritarian consolidation of power.
All right, let's cut it there.
So, first of all, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, that's not, she meant Transatlantic Alliance.
So, major fuck up there.
First of all, that's a little tedious, but like one ocean.
Okay, okay, okay.
So, okay, okay, so let's go.
That's full.
She can't mix up one whole region of the world the most important security concept.
Get Taiwan next.
Taiwan's way worse.
Okay.
So, look, if you're looking at this face value, right?
You're an average American citizen that maybe doesn't have as negative a look on like how the Epstein class makes money by destabling nations and extracting their wealth, right?
Or causing chaos and profiting off it.
If you're just looking at this face value, does it not resonate?
Does it not?
I think communism sounds good.
Yeah, well, it will not say it.
Yeah, thank you.
Before we go to this one, so I think the average person digests it and they go, wow, I think that she's kind of describing something that we're all seeing.
I think this makes sense.
But when you take a look at this idea that both parties are mutually benefiting from destructive chaos, you can look at it as maybe a dog whistle to those people in Europe to basically go, hey, we're going to go back to the old system.
Yeah, exactly.
We're not going to stop this.
See, that's the thing, is that our left-hand side.
Is that the criticism?
The critique is you have to have the ear of Washington.
So when we hear like withdraw from the world, it's like, well, if we're not withdrawing from the world, we're going to stay in the world, which I'm going to make our forward-deployed empire, which, by the way, the left has always been the people criticizing the forward deployment of the broad American allies.
I just want to frame this to people watching, right?
So like, yeah.
So like, give me the, give me the, the best case scenario of what she said, and then give me the worst case scenario.
The best case scenario of what she's saying is like warmed over the neoliberal Obama framework is that NATO and all that must be together.
We should help our allies.
There's, you know, all this, you know, we're all friends here.
We shouldn't have, you know, bad relations is that America should remain the security umbrella of the entire world.
Ukraine is, you know, the fight of freedom and democracy and for the West, et cetera.
The worst version is what I'm talking about is that this is an inversion of a traditional leftist critique of the U.S.-American empire, which not, which works to actually facilitate cause to goal case.
Best case scenario, she's like, we should look out for our allies and we should all fight bad together.
And I think a lot of people do hear it that way.
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Yeah, but you got to think then what?
No, no, no, no, we're not with you.
No, no, no.
This is what I'm trying to say.
And I can't say what she actually believes because I don't know who she is.
But the worst case version of this is she's saying to the Epstein class, the powers that be, hey, we're going to go back to the old system.
Enough of this.
We're just in the West.
We're everywhere.
And wherever there's chaos, we're going to extract that wealth.
So that would be the person that's maybe most concerned about American imperialism and the negative impacts of the world.
And I know we're talking about American imperialism, but it's not just American, as we've seen with these connections.
This interconnected web of these different intelligence agencies that is willing to take advantage of and maybe even stow chaos around the world and profit off of it.
That language resonates with them.
Maybe she doesn't, maybe that's not what she wants.
Maybe she's naive to how it works.
I'm trying to give her the most favorable outcome here, but you also got to take into consideration what she normally preaches and goes on.
Of course, of course, of course.
That was, see, Alex, that's why I thought it was bad.
My joke was, that's your brain on the New York Times.
Like, that's basically what, that's like somebody who reads the New York Times.
Yeah, we shouldn't withdraw from the world.
Again, the most leftist critique of the American Empire has always been like, no, we should withdraw, actually, because U.S. involvement forward to American imperialism is a destabilization force.
And instead, she's inverting it and basically embracing a neoliberal, neoconservative almost framework.
But the second thing is, it's very obvious to me, this lady has not thought about foreign policy.
Well, you don't mix up Trans-Pacific Partnership with Trans-Atlantic.
Listen to the Taiwan answer.
No, but listen to Taiwan and you'll see exactly what I'll do.
Would and should the U.S. actually commit U.S. troops to defend Taiwan if China were to move?
You know, I think that this is such a, you know, I think that nah, cutting to the audience is crazy.
This is, of course, a very long-standing policy of the United States.
And I think what we are hoping for is that we want to make sure that we never get to that point.
And we want to make sure that we are moving in all of our economic research and our global positions to avoid any such confrontation and for that question to even.
Oh, they got her.
Yeah.
I mean, she got her.
Eventually got it.
Come on, bro.
It wasn't going to go.
It was a disastrous answer.
Like, you just say we're going to maintain the policy of strategic ambiguity, which she eventually got to.
But she clearly didn't even know what she was talking about.
She also, by the way, said that Venezuela was below the equator, which is not true.
So like, these are three separate things.
I'm sorry, she's still an American.
We don't know about other countries.
I'm just saying.
I mean, again, again, again, again.
It seems that she's hesitant to say what's actually really interesting is in the other answer, she's like, we want to protect and support our allies.
And then when asked about Taiwan, she's like, well, we would hope it doesn't get to the point where we have to.
I don't want to get to that.
And I don't know what my policy is.
I mean, it's clear, like, again, to me, this is a woman.
So you think she just wasn't ready for that?
She's not ready for the question.
Okay.
I think that these people, and this is the most dangerous thing.
There's a darker way to interpret that, though, Sagar.
The darker way to interpret it is that she does know the answer and she's saying, we're not going to go and support.
Or maybe we will.
I mean, but that's the whole point about policy.
The policy of the United States is strategic ambiguity.
Maybe, maybe not.
Now, the thing is, you're supposed to just say that like flat and then move on confidently.
If this is the global conference, she should know that they're going to ask about Taiwan.
She should know.
I mean, I don't want to get too like nitpicky because, like, look, I get it for all the people who are mad.
Trump is literally the president who says concepts.
I get it.
I get what you're all saying.
We can point out a lot.
I know.
I'm just saying.
I hear you 100%.
Now, generally, they like to hold themselves to the higher bar.
But what I'm trying to say is that the danger in this, and this is always my danger, is that if you don't have an ideology, which I don't think that she does, you will get colored in by Washington.
That's why I talked about Obama.
Obama is deeply about foreign policy.
He had a little bit of an anti-war inkling.
He comes into office.
He gets destroyed by the neoconservatives and the general class who force his hand on Afghanistan and make him to commit to a war.
Obama's Wars by Bob Woodward.
That should be like required reading for every American to see how the internal machinery of the Pentagon can move you through the press, through leaks.
They can force your hand.
And you're a president who just won 55% of the vote.
And it turns out you have no power here.
So this is really interesting.
If you do not have, if you're not an ideologue about geopolitics, for better or for worse, you are at the mercy of the system.
The deep state.
And the deep state or whatever it is, the powers that be, the Epstein class, will move you in advantageous situations for them.
Yeah, they'll force your hand.
So maybe the most fair concern about this is the way that she communicated these ideas, it showed that she hadn't thought or it wasn't an ideologue about these certain things.
It seemed maybe with the first answer, she's like, I believe we should support our allies and go back to maybe more traditional approach, which one way of looking at that is like, yeah, we should support the other countries that are looking out for us as well.
And you might not agree, but like I, me personally, I look at that.
It's like, I want allies.
Like, if we got to bang out of it.
I would just say, well, which ones, right?
So, like, who should be an ally?
Sure, sure.
I guess on the surface, I don't hate that answer that she gave at all.
But the scarier version of that is, is she messaging to the real powers that be, hey, if I am in power, we can go back to the old way, which made you guys a lot of fucking money.
Yes, and not only a lot of money, that's like, that is, that's the crown jewel of Washington.
It's the American empire, the Imperium.
It all stems from the world.
I think average Americans are just so distant from this on purpose.
No, I get it.
But you know, the other warning I give, sorry, we get off Epstein track, but like, guys, the one thing you're actually voting for is foreign policy.
99% of what you want from Congress is not going to fucking happen.
Like, even in the best of times.
Oh, we know.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
But like, as you have found out, as many new entrants to politics have found out, right?
Like, but what you will get is foreign policy.
The person with the monarchial powers to start wars, to end wars, to do whatever they want, as we're all witnessing right now with the situation with Iran.
So that person you vote for, like, if you make a mistake, it's bad.
And like what I'm pointing out in her ways, if you're a leftist, and specifically, like you have your critique of the American Empire and like the way that the U.S. and all that should operate, and I have deep respect like for that worldview, you will see here what you're watching, what you watch in front of you is not a representation of that whatsoever.
It is much more representation of a traditional Hillary Clinton-esque style Democrat who's maybe tweaking her language a little bit by saying the words working class a few other times in the Senate.
But that's the danger.
Voters are fucked either way because Trump ran on, hey, I ended up doing it.
And now we're about to start.
So it's like, welcome to Washington.
You can't even vote yet.
I think that that feeling is emblematic of the Epstein thing as well, which is like, you're fucked either way, right?
It's like they're a group of people that they're going to make these decisions, whether we like it or not.
And even if we have them dead to rights, it looks like the administration, every administration, but especially this fucking one that ran on exposing it, will do everything in their power, even if it means besmirching all their reputations to silence it and shut it down.
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Yeah, let's talk about Lutnick on that one.
Lutnick is the worst example of this.
So I have the clip in here.
Do you believe a guy in finance would be neighbors with one of the most rich and powerful people and never want to hang out with him?
Right, he said.
Let's get the Midas Touch clip, the one where he says he never saw him again after 2000.
Me and my wife saw him and we felt a dark feeling.
And we're like, I will never hang out with that guy unless it's on an island with my family.
All right.
So we are in number 11 and he lives in number nine.
Right.
So I mean, are they just fucking with us?
At this point, are they just fucking with us?
I was in number nine.
Epstein is in nine.
He's in 11.
Luckily, Lutnick happens to not go to work that day.
At this point, he's the guy who was supposed to.
I was going to say, do we, if we want to go further, he's from Canter Fitzgerald, which is where the plane directly hit in the World Trade Center.
Yeah.
So they were trying to get him out of here.
You can take your own conclusions.
Bin Laden is like, if we get one office.
Okay.
All right.
Go on.
Go on.
Yeah.
Pigeons and mice.
Okay.
That's it.
It was Daryl Wow.
So we rebuild our house.
We'll move in in 2005.
Okay.
Jeffrey Epstein is arrested like away that nigga.
So I'm like, right.
So knock on the door.
His assistant, or like a sari, says, Mr. Epstein, your neighbor, would like to invite you over for coffee.
So my wife and I go next door.
You know, we walk seven steps right to the next house for building seven.
Sure walk.
I'm just saying.
So he invites us in.
We have coffee in this, and he says, do you want a tour?
I said, great.
Interesting.
He's got a really big house.
Every room you went into?
He's got, he's got, well, I'll tell you.
So his house is like super big, really wide.
And so he gives me a tour in the living room, big living room.
And then across from it is double doors.
I assume it's the dining room.
Yeah.
And he opens the door and there's a massage table in the middle of the room and candles all around.
So I ask very insightful, cutting questions.
I say to him, massage table in the middle of your house?
How often do you have a massage?
And he says, every day.
And then he like gets like weirdly close to me.
And he says, and the right kind of massage.
Now my wife is staring here.
So she looks at me and I look at her and we say, I'm sorry.
We have to go.
And we left.
And in the six or eight steps it takes to get from his house to my house, my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again.
All right, let's cut it there, Griff.
And then let's put up the next clip where he was in front of the United States Congress after emails showed that he had sent multiple emails to Jeffrey Epstein, including potentially planning a trip to the island.
And what do we have here?
He did go to the island.
Yeah.
Quote.
And actually, this is a five-minute clip.
We don't have time to find it.
I'll give you the direct quote.
Did you, in fact, make the visit to Jeffrey Epstein's private island?
Lutnick, I quote, I did have lunch with him as I was on the boat going across on a family vacation.
We had lunch on the island.
That is true.
That is after the alleged incident and the dramatic telling that you all just saw, which is planned by email, which was released in the Epstein file.
Yeah, he said he would never be in a room with him again.
Yeah, oh, right.
Sorry, right.
He had to be outdoors.
Yeah, you're right.
He was on a yacht.
Yeah, it's very good.
Yeah, he was on a yacht.
He happened to be near the island.
It's disgusting.
It's an explicit lie.
And then it's not just about the lie.
It's about the confidence in which he's willing to tell that story.
And what does that confidence tell you?
The confidence that his lie will never be found out, right?
That was the purpose of that lie, is that he knew that he was lying in the very moment that he said that.
Not only did it get found out, but now he also knows that he will face no consequences.
And I think that is the worst part is, and this remember what I was talking about with foreign governments and accountability?
Our government is the least accountable, and our government has the most of these people.
The Federal Reserve chair was listed in the Epstein email as a potential guest, the new chairman who Trump is going to appoint Federal Reserve.
RFK Jr., there's an email in here where they're talking about going fossil hunting with RFK Jr.
I mean, Jr. is, I mean, I even asked him about it.
He admits going.
No, he got early.
Yeah, yeah.
He was like, oh, yeah, I stopped hanging out with him.
But I was on the plane.
And what did he say to us, Griffin?
He's like, I knew a lot of people.
I knew O.J. Simpson or something.
He went on like a list.
Yeah, he was like, I knew OJ.
I knew.
It is also funny that he's like, we went fossil hunting.
It was old stuff we were looking at.
The oldest that could be.
No.
But I mean, what is a consequence for someone like Lutnick?
The consequence should be that the public should demand resignation.
But if we're making anyone that's associated with Epstein resign, I mean, Trump is his boy.
Well, okay.
Back in the day.
Fair point.
Lutnick is Trump's handler, right?
Like, that's.
I mean, I don't know if that's accurate.
As I understand it, Lutnik is like this deep.
Kushner's the handler.
You think his kid is?
No, his son-in-law is son-in-law.
His kids are.
I don't think I'm going to be able to do that.
I'm sued for that.
I don't think that.
Yeah, we have to be careful.
No, no, no.
But like, I mean, that's...
Look, if Lutnick had that type of connectivity with Epstein, like where he's willing to lie about the relationship, even though he knows he's gone to the island, the emails show that he's planned to be there.
He's Trump's right-hand man.
He's behind him in every single conversation that's happening.
Point man on tariffs, by the way.
Point man on tariffs and about the destabilization.
By the way, people should look into his son.
If Griffin was here, I'd have him look it up.
His sons are doing some sketchy stiff stuff whenever it comes to the tariffs as well.
But the point remains around all of this is that accountability.
Hold on, I don't want to leave this.
Do you think that Lutnick is his handler?
No, I don't think that.
I think Handler misunderstands the way that the current Trump administration works, like the idea that he doesn't have agency.
And I think Trump has a lot of agency.
Like he's the person who's deciding what he wants to do.
He may be manipulated, you know, in certain directions.
And I definitely think that's true, but that's not unique to Lutnik.
That's a variety of different policy areas.
So with Trump, then specifically, right?
Because Trump is mentioned, what, a million times in the email.
According to Jamie Raskin.
Is there any is it?
Because the timeline that we were presented was that they were, they kind of knew each other.
Now we know they really knew each other.
They were good friends.
They were good friends, but now they kind of knew each other.
And then something happens and then they severed the friendship.
That's according to Trump.
That's according to Trump.
But have the files proved that that wasn't the case?
What the files have proved, not just the files, what we have seen is that Trump's intimate relationship with Epstein is much deeper than he led on, which is that he was just a Mar-a-Lago member, that they casually knew each other.
And by the way, Trump has hung himself in his own public comments.
He talks about how he was being creepy with girls that were at the spa.
The story came out that Mar-a-Lago was sending private massage girls to Jeffrey Epstein's house.
I mean, Virginia.
I was going to say, Virginia Guffray, one of the she's a more controversial Epstein accuser.
I will definitely give you that.
But it is undeniable that she was trafficked or she was, you know, abused and/or associated with Epstein around the time that she left Mar-a-Lago.
And Epstein, or Trump was even asked, Did you sever your relationship because Virginia Guffray was stolen by Epstein from Mar-a-Lago?
And he basically said yes in the Oval Office.
He was asked about it on camera.
But the deeper point around their relationship is not just their social relationship, but you know, frankly, we see multiple instances of an entanglement in their social life when it comes to women.
So, for example, you see this ex-girlfriend that Epstein apparently had that eventually started to date Donald Trump.
If Griffin was here, I'd have him pull it up.
But there's a dated check in the birthday book where it's like a depreciated asset being sold.
He's deep.
He's in the deep seat.
He's literally compromised.
No, but there's the depreciated.
The depreciated asset check where, you know, there's a girl, like Trump's ex-girlfriend being sold from Epstein to Trump.
Like, this is a bad look.
There's also in the Epstein files, I'll have Griffin pull this up whenever he comes back.
Is Trump's one of the accusers was actually interviewed by the FBI?
Can we get that?
It's in Politicians, Trump Accuser interviewed by the FBI.
He just came out from Roger Solenberger, which, by the way, let me just finish the thought here.
The fact that the FBI did interview a victim who was accusing Trump goes beyond an anonymous claim against Donald Trump by a tip line, right?
So this was actually one of being interviewed.
Again, look, look, being interviewed is not necessarily a crime, but what we're talking about is a deep social relationship with Trump has never really wanted to acknowledge in his public life.
But in the prior life, he would acknowledge it all the time.
The 2002 interview that he did on the record about Epstein, he literally said, Jeffrey, he likes him young.
Like he said that straight up in 2002.
And he was like, no question, Jeffrey enjoys his social life.
So why run on this card?
One second.
The birthday card was that before or after 2008?
That was 2006.
2006 is the year that would Trump run on this.
Well, that's a great unless you.
And then why would he specifically choose people that build their entire identity around exposing you know what I've noticed about this?
And I actually went and tracked the record.
Mark Trump?
No, no, no.
Oh, Mark.
All right.
I'll add on to that.
Trump never ran on it.
He was always uncomfortable when asked about it.
I went back and tracked the record.
He was never into it.
So it was the people around him.
Wait, but what do you mean the people around him?
It was Kash Patel.
It was Pam Bondi.
He was choosing them.
Yeah, he chose them, but like he didn't choose them for Epstein.
Like he kind of flew above the whenever he would ask about it.
Remember famously with Ghelane, I wish her well, right?
Like the famous comment that he gave, oh, Jeff, I barely knew him.
Actually, it was a Democratic scandal.
But when he was on the campaign trail, he never mentioned it.
It was other people, like influencers, media, ecosystems that were obsessed with the case, which it was used by the Trump campaign to become into his purpose.
Prove that soccer is compromised.
No, no, he does have one mention where I don't remember exactly where it is, but he comes out kind of unannounced and says, by the way, that Epstein Island thing, Clinton's going to have a hard time with that.
Did he say where?
Where did he go?
Do you remember this?
Yes.
This is during the campaign.
This is like 2016, 2015.
I can't remember exactly.
But he basically just comes out.
It seems like it's sort of unprompted, but he just kind of like goes at Clinton, basically trying to use it against him.
I don't remember the exact.
Dude, you remember this, right?
Yes, I do remember him referencing it.
Now, is this something with the island and Clinton's going to already elect at this point?
Is he campaigning against Hillary and he's using this as a way to malign Hillary through bills?
Yeah, I think it was that.
That's so surprising because Clinton's his boy now.
Yeah, no, they're good friends.
They've always been good friends.
So early 2016, Bill Clinton had a lot of problems coming up with the famous island with Jeffrey Epstein.
That's what he's doing.
So Trump references the island.
I didn't know that.
2016, they counted.
That's in 2016.
It's like a throwaway comment.
Yeah, do your research, bro.
Okay, so this is where I got to give some pushback on you because it seems as if Trump and the administration are very technical in terms of not technical might be the wrong word, but like purposeful in the people that they put into power, right?
Like they don't like, well, baby, you wish that were true.
All right, fair enough.
But like they want to, they want to execute certain things and they put people in power that will execute those things.
Yes, that's right.
Right.
Yeah.
So they did choose Bondi.
They did choose Cash.
Yeah.
They did choose, what's his face?
The Bongino.
Bongini.
So they were aware of these people's identities.
They're aware of what they were campaigning with themselves.
Why would they put them in those positions of power?
Because you can't do that.
And they're something different.
Well, you can see that.
But that actually did happen too, though.
But then you got to neutralize them.
It seems like an extra effort.
It's like, for example, this new person they're putting up for the Fed chair, right?
They don't like what Jerome Cowell is doing.
So they're putting someone else that's going to do things that the administration wants.
That's what I imagine.
Will that guy do the exact same thing that the administration wants?
I don't know.
But that's their hope.
Tulsi Conspiracy Theories00:10:25
Yes.
You're telling me we're supposed to believe that they would put these three figures in power.
And then once they're in power, go, hey, can you take back everything you just said?
Because that's not what we want.
Why not put people in power that said the stuff that Trump and them believe want us to believe?
It just seems like Bongino's a massive oppositional voice.
If you recruit him into the fold and basically thing, it's like RFK has a lot of support.
People like him.
We're going to bring him into a fold.
Maybe we can scrape some dem votes.
Well, there's a famous LBJ quote.
He's like, they're like, why'd you bring in one of your enemies into the tent?
He's like, better inside pissing out than outside pissing in.
Right.
So like that.
He doesn't have to worry about Kash Patel.
Listen, there are a variety of theories.
I've always believed that he basically thought it was a stupid issue that got people riled up and he didn't realize people like us were serious about it whenever we were talking about it and then wanting and demanding accountability.
I also look there's an alternative explanation for Cash and Bondi, which is while they may be very, you know, like they may have been very into the Epstein question, they were also loyal.
They're loyal.
They're going to do what you're told, dog.
They're willing to date anything.
It is public.
Yeah, they're willing to sacrifice themselves.
I mean, look at Tulsi Gatsby.
We've got Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. and Pam Bondi and Cash.
Like these people have defenstrated themselves like completely on the public stage for everything that they allegedly believed in.
Like, dude, I've interviewed Tulsi many.
I thought she was a legit person.
I really did.
And when I saw her back up the Iran thing, I was like, I cannot believe this that this woman who I spent so many times interviewing really respected.
Dude, it's about power at the end of the day.
New York Times article just dropped.
The reason that she's behind all this Fulton County FBI election raid, they're like, she wanted to get back in Trump's good graces.
Like that, dude, it literally is about access to the king.
And it checks out that Trump wasn't taking this seriously because they really thought the whole giving away the binders thing.
They thought it was bullet here.
See, they under they usually have a good idea.
Let's keep in mind, though, but they were, but they've been right about everything else.
Every single other thing.
If you look at issue areas where MAGA purports to care and Trump says and no longer, like Iran, if you were to poll MAGA two years ago, should we strike Iran under the current circumstances where the administration looks like they might, they would be like, absolutely not.
Biden should be impeached.
He's trying to start a war without congressional authorization.
Now Trump says it's like oh god it's 90% support, right?
So it's literally gonna flip.
It's called thermostatic public opinion.
Things rise and shift with depending on who's in power.
I mean same thing on the app, but the thing is that was the one thing that they didn't realize no a lot of us actually cared.
And that's pause for one second.
Is that because they didn't realize how much normal people care about women?
Yeah, you might be right, dude.
Like, I don't know what they're saying.
Are they so caught up in the Epstein class themselves that they're just going, oh, they care about little girls getting trafficked?
Like, is it losing?
It's normal to these people that they think that we would just get over it.
Well, I mean, if it's so commonplace in their life, not in their defense, but let's think about it.
They've gotten over so much.
The MAGA people have gotten over so much.
Like with flip-flops, Ukraine, Iran, like things, life and death.
You know, so many vital issues.
I mean, I got, I could think forever, like so many campaign promises which were alleged and then didn't happen, right?
IVF, right?
Like that was supposed to be a big one.
The vaccine, that was a big one for some people.
Building the wall, which never happened in the first, like, dude, I could literally give you a spreadsheet list for a whole other show of just shit that was supposed to happen, which didn't happen.
But the Epstein one seems to be the one that people, for some reason, decided to just not let it go.
And I do want to give credit to a lot of people out there, a lot of people out there who are sticking to their guns on this story.
And I can tell you, this is the most shit that I get.
How do you frame the parent administration?
Hold on one second, one second.
What do you mean this is the most shit you get in the world?
Oh, they have the Whitey Whoa, you're so obsessed with Epstein.
Nobody cares, man.
Like, you're in the mythology.
And they're always like, you're a cons, you know, it's, they literally sound like the liberals from the Latin, from when I used to talk about this before.
Conspiracy theorists.
There's nothing there.
They're, dude, they're sending me this, all this apologia about, yo, man, these girls, like, they were lying to Epstein about their age.
And I was like, have you ever read the law, by the way?
The law says that that's not a defense.
Florida statute, which Epstein was convicted under, it literally says not knowing the age is not a legal defense.
This is the case.
This is one of the grossest narratives that I'm sure has come down from some like right-wing think tank where it's like, you know, the girls were procuring on it.
Yeah.
So now we're going to villainize.
So their consent, right?
Exactly.
There's no such thing as consent for an underage girl.
That's dude.
And yeah, if you manipulate a young, how is it that we can understand this for everything else?
If you manipulate somebody to do something against their will or put them in a bad situation where they're, hey, look, he specifically went after the girls who were troubled or had bad family situations who needed a couple hundred dollars here or there.
I mean, the same thing.
They're like, oh, well, he was just flying in European hookers.
That is illegal.
Like, I literally feel like I'm going crazy.
You cannot fly Russian hookers to the United States to fuck them.
That is a violation of the Man Act.
That is explicit interstate prostitution.
Like, I feel like I am losing it whenever it comes to this.
And they're like, you're feeding all of these conspiracy theories of, and have I brought up?
Have I brought up anything that hasn't been literally verified?
I try to couch everything I say.
Why do you think that's it?
We'll get to the PCG stuff.
I'll even show that to you and I'll couch it.
No, exactly what it is.
I want to talk about that too.
I want to talk about like some of the most salacious and absurd things in it, but like, why do you think that they are so committed?
Why do you think DC is so committed to that?
Because for them, they see everything through partisan lens.
For them, now it's a problem for Trump.
Ergo, you're creating problems for this administration.
I go, I don't give a fuck.
Isn't there a part of them that looks at this and they're like, there are underage girls being trafficked and there's no accountability?
Is there no part of them where you look them in their eyes and you're like, yo, you have kids?
Yeah.
You have nieces.
Yeah, but then they convince themselves that they did nothing wrong.
If anything did happen, it's all overblown.
It's a satanic panic.
That's the new one.
Is that this is equivalent to the satanic panic?
Yeah, I have satanic panic.
I affirm that there are satanists that are ruling the world that are eating children.
That is a real concern.
And the thing is, is that for them, they, it's so hard to describe the social scene of Washington.
Washington exists so in a world of its own where more, like, questions of morals and all of that are always pushed aside for power.
These are people who give up their families.
They give up any earning opportunity.
This is their life.
This is life and death.
Like the success of their ability to have access to the Trump administration, whatever administration happens to be in power.
And this is an entire power corruption.
Absolutely.
Power corrupts.
Absolutely.
Exactly.
Like that, you know what it is.
Distort people's brains.
Dude, I see, like I said, I'm in a weird position because now I know some of these people.
Like I knew like this is Tulsi.
You know what I'm saying?
Like with Tulsi, like we sat across the desk.
I thought it was real.
Like I really thought.
And listen, I've read a lot of books about politicians who lie to your face, but it's another thing.
Wow.
Like to experience it and to experience it at a visceral level.
RFK Jr., I mean, how many times I interview RFK?
Four?
How many?
I think three.
Three, four.
Right.
I spent hours with this guy.
What do you think RFK's implications are?
Well, it's not about implications.
I'm like, in the way that he's operating within HHS and like they throw out this like bullshit for the masses on Twitter.
But like, if you're a hardcore ma, like you should be furious about the way that this administration has acted from the USDA.
Oh, no, Sagar.
They're only worried about what goes in their bodies if it's not grown-ups.
This is what I'm trying to understand.
Bondi just said they're not releasing any files, any more files.
That's it.
No more files.
So the Calci market should be zero for more files getting released this month.
But somebody is still trading.
That's just how crazy gamblers are.
That's a good point.
Nah.
That should be easy money right there.
Or Pam's got an account.
Pam's got an account on Calci.
Baron's doing tricks with the computer.
Baron's cooking up something.
Remember when Trump said that?
He's like, Baron with this computer, he's just amazing with this computer.
The things he can do.
Yeah.
It's like, yeah, he's stealing.
Make $100 million on a fucking coin.
What he can do with this is crazy.
So, so they got a 12, what is that?
12 point 11.4% chance that we get more.
Yeah.
It's really just a bet on like, is Pam Bonnie telling the truth now?
Well, she's an honest woman.
She would always tell the truth, right?
When does she ever lie?
And I think we will get more, especially Saga reported today that only 2% of the files actually came out.
So it's like, say it's half.
It's 2%.
2% now.
Yeah.
So if the public finds that out, I'm going to take that prediction.
Yeah, we're getting more.
It might be a little bit.
I mean, knowing Tito, he might release one file.
Just to get Taron on a quick line.
You guys, a new file is dropped.
Yo, that is one singular email.
I mean, why isn't that what everybody's doing?
The second somebody puts an insane amount of money on like, we're invading Iran, you just go, oh, yeah, that's what's going to happen.
Right?
Like, if you're putting $10 on it, no.
But if some guy dumps $2 million, they might be driving the ship.
Like, they got their finger on the button.
I had thought, I was like, should someone, by someone, I mean me, email Epstein with my dates.
Did I tell you this?
Yes.
With my tour dates.
Yes.
And just be like, hey, fuck you, Epstein.
Also, I'm on the road.
Come see me here.
Then it's releasing the files and then everyone sees my tour.
Well, you would get your ideal audience for sure.
Conspiracy theorists.
Conspiracy theories.
People searching through truth seekers.
Exactly.
People trying to get to the bottom of this great conspiracy.
Your mom finding you in the files would be so funny because that means she was searching.
Exactly.
Anyway, let's get Sager back in here.
Yes, dude.
Before we get rich.
It's not trying to get too rich and be invited to be part of these cabals.
Are we off cabals?
Are we off cabals?
The debutante cabal.
The Debi zone.
That's what they were.
In a way.
Oh, dude, that's gross.
Why'd you make it gross?
Why'd you make it so gross, dude?
Iran Ballistic Missiles00:10:37
Oh, boy.
Why does your brain always go there?
Why does your brain always do them double?
Oh, Mars.
Always thinking of these.
That was nasty, dude.
And you're from down south?
No.
You're from New York, dude.
You live right near Epstein.
He's your neighbor, basically.
I have a cabal here.
I joined a cabal as a kid.
You had to slice some kid in the face.
Isn't that what they were called?
We call them gangs, but y'all call them cabals.
What is it?
The buck 15?
Buck 50.
15 is the best that come off.
Negotiating with the guy cutting your face.
What about $1.15?
And make jokes about negotiating, you little boy.
Fuck you.
Don't call me that word.
You wouldn't even understand.
You're a good little guy, too.
Stop it.
Don't say that.
You are a good little guy.
No, stop.
Al, you're a goy.
I like being a goy.
Yeah, you're not.
You're not.
You know, guys, no.
All right.
Listen, can we get back?
We have to expect Sager's time.
Yes, we're missing two Indians right now.
We go.
Arcos, get back from Australia already.
How do you feel about the current administration?
How do you think I feel about the current administration?
Is it coming across yet?
Well, tell me, how do you feel?
Like, you are conservative like this.
Because we've gotten no shit for criticism.
You're in a very vital place.
I think what I'm the most disgusted by was the rhetorical use of a lot of principles, which I really cared about.
So, like, let's say, for example, anti-war and Iran, right?
And it's especially galling to have sat across the table from some of the people who are now currently in power who are pushing or excusing this type of behavior.
And not only that, who are either silent or actively working behind the scenes, not stopping the obvious, like, look, I could call it a takeover, but that's why I have to come back to Trump has agency.
Trump has agency.
He's the one who's decided to embrace this neoconservative agenda to do all of this insane nonsense with Venezuela.
Hold him a couple of years.
Don't talk up to the DPS.
But he's the guy in charge.
Exactly.
He needs to be held.
But it's also about the people around him because for a fact, they're not.
If you take your role seriously, then you actively work for that type of principle that you ran on and that you have literally sat across the table from me.
And I'm not talking about one person.
I'm talking about a lot of different people here who worked, who were like, they were like, we believe this.
Like the United States, we should not go to war with Iran.
And so then to watch.
How comforting was that to hear for the first time in your life?
It's not about comfort.
This was a project.
I believed in this project.
I worked, we don't, you know, in many cases to try and assist this project.
Like in not the Trump campaign, but like, I'm talking about the principles.
The ideology, the ideology, right?
Like, I have taken so much shit.
I excise myself from professional Washington to go against like for the neoconservative agenda.
A man, I got, you know, basically professionally canceled over Israel.
It's fine.
You know, I have my show.
I get to hang out with you guys and stuff.
Like, I don't care about that, but like, there was a cost, man.
Like, there was a cost.
And so then to then have those people like come into power and now we're on the brink of bombing Iran for literally no reason.
After, by the way, you know, not to derail this too much, didn't we bomb Iran so that we would never have to deal with the nuclear issue?
So if we bombed it already and never have to deal with a nuclear issue, why are we currently on the brink of a potential war over the nuclear issue?
I was told that the nuclear issue was solved during the 12-day war.
Oh, that's...
Can you tell us how it would be advantageous to the United States of America?
And then we get back to Epstein, but to engage in a war with Iran.
Why would that be politically economically?
It's not politically popular.
Economically, it's another story.
It's economically, maybe, you know, potentially useful for the United States to control the Straits of Hormuz, although I would argue they're not.
Why do we end up controlling it?
Well, of course, because this is about regime change.
Like, ultimately, and really, you're saying the United States, there's really not that much in it for us.
The United States in the Middle East.
Yeah, well, there's a little country called Israel, for which this is actually a vital national security interest.
So they should handle it.
Let me explain this too.
Well, how can they?
They can't handle shit.
The one war they got into, they were getting their ass handed to them with the United States basically shooting down half the missiles that were coming.
And downtown Tel Aviv still looked portions of downtown Tel Aviv literally looked like London during the Blitz.
Like it was crazy.
So, so the question I keep going back to is like, if you can explain to the American people why it's advantageous to us to do certain things, there's a version where they start to go, okay, now I don't love the intervention stuff at all.
I don't like the endless foreign rules.
I hate it.
I thought that that was a seductive talking point, which now they've obviously flip-flopped on, like they flip-flop on everything they said, and it's fucking horrible.
But like, for example, with the Venezuela thing, which I don't love, but the American mind can go, wait a minute, we have oil, oil gets cheaper, everything.
Listen, the American mind is different.
What you're doing is you're operating in like Washington.
I'm talking about the American mind and imagine like the propaganda system.
We go, okay, oil is this much.
Wait, now we have access to more oil.
That's leveraging power in the world.
Things potentially get cheaper here.
This is how people can consume things, right?
Yeah.
Do we agree, yes or no?
Totally.
Yeah.
I don't see any strategic benefit for the United States of America in engaging in a prolonged war with Iran.
If someone can explain it to me, that'd be lovely.
It's crazy that they're not even trying to explain it.
Like, that should be the most audacious part of this.
They're not even bothering to give us a whole propaganda campaign.
At least with the bullshit Iraq war, they had the fucking.
Can't let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud.
Is that what was the line?
Yeah, or the war on terror or whatever these things are.
At least they gave us something like, you know what?
We're going to at least trick the American people into thinking that they're the same.
Saddam has something to do with 9-11.
Exactly.
They gave it this.
They're not even doing it.
They're saying they have ballistic missiles now.
Right.
You got to ask.
Okay, they explained that too.
They have to do it.
Let me explain that too.
Just so you guys know, the ballistic missile thing, let's just think about it.
Who are the ballistic missiles a threat to?
All right.
Ballistic missiles are a threat to the United States only when they are intercontinental ballistic missiles.
And if they don't, does Iran have intercontinental ballistic missiles?
No.
Okay.
They do have regional ballistic missiles, which are capable of hitting what?
Israel.
That's right.
So that becomes the talking point about for a new deal with Iran.
The only thing America has an interest in with Iran is the flow of oil through the Straits of Hormuz and the nuclear threat.
That's it.
And the Iranians are like, all right, you guys want to talk nuclear?
Let's go.
But then at the last minute, after B.B. Netanyahu comes in, we're like, oh, but by the way, we also talk about ballistic missiles.
And they're like, no, we're not going to talk about ballistic missiles.
And then all the front groups in Washington are like, they don't want to negotiate in good faith.
They refuse to negotiate.
Guys, let's just, and I'm not pro-Iran.
I'm not pro-Islamic Republic.
Let's think for a second.
Yeah, fuck the regime.
Okay.
Yeah, right.
They just murdered 40,000 people in the protest.
Well, I don't know about the number, but the whole point is just like, they murdered a lot of people.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
And now, you know, with the help of Mossad and the United States, also, yes, like, let's be honest about some of that.
Story just broke.
United States smuggled hundreds of Starlink terminals into Iran to help the protests.
Literally, I mean, maybe thousands of Starlink terminals.
The Mossad was literally bragging in the Israeli press about how they were arming the Iranian protesters, right?
So it's a little complicated, isn't it?
But just to even come back from that, the point around the whole Iran question is that this is an Israeli problem.
So they shouldn't have to be.
This is an Israeli problem, but they can't handle it as they proved in the 12-day war.
Only the United States can handle it.
Even in the 12-day war, it takes the full force of the U.S. Empire to make sure they don't get blown to shit, right?
And this is the biggest problem.
That even 12-day war, it took 25% of U.S. interceptors just for that 12 days.
That was just to defend Israel.
Now, imagine if we have to start defending.
29% of our entire whole global stockpile.
That interceptor is 25%.
And if we get into a real conflict, we're fucked.
That would mean we need to at least make sure if we're going to go all out, it needs to be for something truly vital for us.
And this is not it.
And the reason why they don't want you to pay attention to that.
If you start learning this ballistic missile stuff, you're going to go crazy.
But that's why they don't want the American people engaged.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I don't think that there should be anything wrong with having this perspective.
I think as an American, you're allowed to look out for the interests of your country and see why and see why that that would be.
I mean, they're going to call me an anti-Semitic just for that.
I mean, literally, I will never forget the first time I was ever professionally called anti-Semitic was the, remember when the U.S., Israel bombed an Iranian embassy in Syria, which is crazy, right?
They said it was an IRDC base.
Okay, whatever.
Every embassy in the world is a spycraft base, just so we're all clear.
But so they bombed it.
And then Iran fired missiles at them, right?
And then America shot all of them down.
And I said something like modest proposal, the U.S. military should just shoot down stuff whenever it's attacking America.
And everyone was like, look at this disgusting display of anti-Semitism because we shot down the missiles that were going to Israel.
Yeah, I mean, which they started it.
No, did they not?
Well, they bombed an embassy.
Well, to that, I would say it's like, are you giving us forewarning that you're going to do that?
Have we agreed with that action?
If you expect us to do that.
And what's in it for us?
Well, I think if the expectation is us to defend you, then we have to be aware and we have to sign off on whatever military action is going to require defense.
Yes.
And if you're operating with impunity there, but just expecting defense, then I think that that might be taking advantage of the problem.
Which is the way that they operate from the Doha strike.
I mean, that was so insane.
The Qatar strike that happened, which this is a U.S. basically protectorate where you're just blowing people up.
I mean, who knows whether it was prior sanctioned or not.
But there's other countries in the region that also would want regime change with Iran.
Definitely.
UAE, Saudi.
Even that kind of depends because they want regime change, but they don't want destabilization.
Whereas Israel does want destabilization.
They want the Syria model.
They want it to basically be a collapsed state where a rump state where you can constantly.
That's just going to make it more dangerous to everybody around.
No, not really, because you're removing the bigger threat, which is the nuclear issue.
They don't care about if it has destabilization and migrants and all of this other civil war.
Like that, if anything, that benefits them because it takes out a regional competitor.
Well, because there's what happened to Syria.
Organization.
Yeah.
But there's so many American allies that want this to happen.
Well, I don't.
See, that's the thing.
If you look at the reporting, at least what's happening behind the scenes, from what we've seen now so far, the Saudis in the U.S., like these people may hate the Iranians.
They may be against Iran.
They're not pushing whatever the current Israeli position is, which is decapitation strike.
Right.
Luxury Interconnected Networks00:15:10
Yeah.
I mean, we should do it the old-fashioned way.
Send Kermo Roosevelt to throw some newspaper.
Well, he did a great job, right?
Yeah.
He was very successful at his job.
Okay, back to Abstin.
Yeah.
Unless there was something else.
Oh, no, sorry.
You were talking about how you felt about the current administration.
I think it's really cool that you're willing to talk out and you're willing to criticize.
Oh, well, thank you.
I mean, that's always kind of been my thing.
Well, it shows that you have standards and you're not just captured by the party or even captured by the audience of the party.
Right.
I think that that's a very well that's a cancer.
As you guys know, people will stick with you if you actually at least try to stick to what you really believe in.
And if you look at a lot of my comments, like it hasn't changed.
You know, it's one of those things where I'm like, who changed in this relationship here?
Well, I think that there's all the times where it's like there's different moments in history where you'll have more social utility based on your skill set and then less.
Yes, that's right.
So like, you know, if you're the guy that is saying the war on terror is stupid while the war on terror is happening and a lot of people hate it, all of a sudden you're probably going to be crushing it and people are going to want you to organize the world for them.
So I think that's a very, but I think it's noble that if people are not, or an administration is not living up to your standards or the promises that they made you that you were actually really excited about, right, that you call them out.
And I see a lot of people that are doing this mental gymnastics to like kind of justify what's happening.
And there's this version where you just want to shake them and be like, you don't have to do it.
Your people that listen will actually respect you more if you don't do it because they're going to see you as an honorable person and willing to go, hey, I'm going to call out the people in power, even if those are the people in power that I thought were going to do something beneficial.
Yo, you're absolutely right.
And also, that's the only way you have it.
Look, I've also learned this.
I actually, I've only been really doing this professionally for like 10, 15 years.
Presidents come and go, you know, but we're actually, we're always going to be here.
A lot of these people, I have seen politicians be flashes in the pan who in two years will be stratospheric on the rise.
And then a couple of years later, who?
Beto O'Rourke, a good example.
What's he doing right now?
These guys come and go.
And at the end of the day, all you have is yourself, your integrity.
And if you want to keep doing this in this business, I've also seen a lot of commentators ride all those waves where they're the highest of highs.
And then what, a year later, the lowest of lows.
Or they're just chasing trends.
Or they're chasing trends.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I think that you're going to see.
I think one thing that I've kind of noticed from the administration is that like people assume that they just do what they want, the classic authoritarian approach.
But when you see that they flip so quickly based on public sentiment, right?
Like you saw it happen with ICE in Minneapolis.
You saw it happen even with ICE when I think the farmers were complaining.
They're like, yeah, we don't have anybody to work the farms.
And they're like, oh, ICE's not going to target the farms, right?
Like there's this immediate backtrack of what they're doing.
You've seen it with certain tariff stuff.
You saw it with Greenland.
So the idea, I don't know, there's something kind of beautiful in it, which is like protest does work.
Guys, Epstein, the whole reason we're talking about this, this whole episode is a result of our public pressure.
The last time I was on here, they said that it was done and dusted.
And now we have 3 million files.
Like we don't have all the files.
It's only 2% of the files.
We have some of the files.
That's pretty cool.
That's only because, and I want a massive shout out, Rokana, Thomas Massey.
These guys laid it out on the line.
I don't think people understand.
They were dead.
This bill was going nowhere.
They were, it looked like a vanity project.
And then they just kept grinding and getting signatures.
And then they beat the president of the United States.
They forced his ass to sign it in the middle of the night.
Something he didn't want to do.
He said he wouldn't sign it.
He had to sign it.
It's the biggest L he's taken his entire presidency.
Well, that's democracy.
And it's a beautiful thing to watch.
Yes, cool.
And so to that point, when you see how willing the administration is to flip when public sentiment turns, especially their base, but when things look ugly on TV, I think there is like, you know, I was talking to the PodSafe guys and they had a good point.
It's like, you know, he's an entertainment guy.
He's watching like the news.
And when the images look ugly on the news, oh, he knows.
He knows and he starts to change his term.
So what's interesting about the Epstein stuff specifically is the pushback is monumental.
But the flip-flop hasn't fully happened yet.
They gave you like, they gave you like a semi-flip-flop.
Here's some files and now they're trying to shut it down again.
Yeah.
I don't think they can run away from this thing.
I hope that you're right.
We have to just keep doing it.
So their hope with Epstein Files transparency was, first of all, remember, they violated the law.
The day that they were supposed to release the files, they didn't release the files.
They barely released anything.
It took weeks.
It was incompetently done.
They redacted names that they were supposed to redact.
They unredacted names that they were supposed to redact.
That was a complete mess.
Even by the way, right now to this day, they keep removing and then re-adding files to the Epstein database.
Like there were, if you search Trump's name, there were some there that were originally, they were taken off.
In the time that I've been doing this, the reason everything in my spreadsheet is captured on Twitter or in an article is because I can't link to the original.
Because in some cases, they've been taken down, as you all saw, for the redaction process.
But the point for pressure is to understand what we're dealing with.
We were dealing with a, as we, you know, to say the umpteenth time, a vast network of unaccountable financial, political, and media elites who were engaging in immoral behavior.
And in many cases, those people either knew about, were complicit in, potentially involved in many of these crimes, and that these crimes run the gamut.
Yes, from the more salacious stuff all the way to mind-numbingly boring financial or tax crimes, but they all bear investigation, right?
That is the point where we shouldn't let up.
And we should also, I think everyone should really be informed about this because everyone tangentially is like, oh, Epstein, he was a creep.
And like, I think they kind of know, but like always, my, you know, hope in doing episodes like this or my show is to like fill in all of the lines for the stuff of your suspicions and also to like bring you back, because part of the problem with, you know, is total explosion on the internet, is people will fall for the most low iq stuff, and it's sometimes i'm like no let's, let's come it back.
Sometimes you're right though, by the way, like sometimes the people are actually correct and we can validate some of their, you know, crazy conspiracies.
But that's why I think it's really important and why also, it's so disappointing.
A lot of serious journalists have dropped the bag on this story.
You know, for the intel connection, all of the stuff I laid out here.
I was on here six months ago.
I laid out the whole case.
It was all there.
Yeah, it's all there, and it's only now, and now they're like, oh, he's Russian, he's a Russian asset.
Come on, you know.
You know my colleagues, Ryan and us, like we're doing all these stories about Les Wexner, Iran Con.
It's all out there for the for the taking.
Why do you think they're not doing it?
Because they're afraid?
They're afraid of lawsuits or they're afraid that it would implicate some of their.
What it would implicate their people?
It'll stop their access.
I mean, doing these stories does not come costless.
What does implicate their people?
Okay, let's say, if you're at the NEW YORK Times and you have a Jerusalem bureau and you start reporting all this stuff about Israel and Epstein and then all of a sudden your Jerusalem bureau guy gets his visa revoked, like now, what do you do?
What's important to you right, I mean it's.
That's a.
That's a basic example and that happens all the time.
Bloomberg NEWS had people.
They had their people pulled out of China because they wrote some story about the Chinese, you know, the Chinese premier, or something like that.
This happens constantly and this is exactly why interconnected corporate media is very dangerous, because they always prioritize stories.
Remember I think I told you guys about this the ABC NEWS reporter who was leaked on camera, who was like oh, I had the whole prince Andrew Epstein story, but we should.
I forget her name, Robach, maybe Amy Robot, I think that might be it but uh, she was like we had the whole prince Andrew story but we shut it down because they threatened our access to the royal wedding for ABC NEWS right like, but that's reality like that's, that's what this stuff looks like.
So these newspapers are like billboards to sell ads to 60 year olds, right.
So like, they're not going to compromise these sources access.
This is, I mean dude, the Royal wedding that was like a multi-billion dollar product.
That's right for all of these people.
So, so they're just as interconnected and interdependent, of course, and also they I mean, think about it media conglomerates are just as directly implicated.
Okay actually, I don't have even have it in here, but do you want to?
I do not want to do a thing where like, if you want to find that Ellison uh, the Ellison wire transfers, there were wire transfers from Epstein to uh Ellison, there's something look look, it was definitely in the files.
But this is the thing I don't want to do.
The thing where we like pat news, new media on our backs, or something like that.
But because like, but the fact that we don't have the luxury to be as interconnected yeah no, you're right, because the only reason we can do it yeah yeah, we don't have the luxury to be as interconnected with all these people because we are new yeah, you know what I mean.
Like, 30 years from now who the fuck knows like Saga's kids could own a fucking thing.
Come in and be like, hey, here's a bunch of money.
Can you not talk about us?
And then podcasters will stop talking.
Well, didn't they do that to a bunch of podcasters or people?
So right now, I guess some of us are uniquely positioned to be able to talk about this stuff and ask these questions simply because we're not part of the internet connected web and want to be able to get pictures of the royal wedding.
Like, how fucked up is that?
What is this one?
Epstein writes to his lawyer, have one of your cronies ask to see the mortgage to Mar-a-Lago cash from Electricians Union.
Oh, yeah, this is about, this was to a reporter, I think, and it was about Trump.
And it was specifically about asking to see the mortgage to Mar-a-Lago, cash from Electricians Union.
His driver, Matt, was the bagman.
$30 million loan from the casino to Donald Trump backdated.
So this was alleged about, I think it was about some Epstein compromont, apparently on Donald Trump.
But the important stuff to remember, like within all these emails, is not only just our current president and many of the people who work for him, it's the billionaire global elite.
So like we haven't even talked about the Bill Gates STD thing, which is crazy.
It's beyond crazy.
And one of the reasons why, you know, a lot of people have said that it's Melinda is hot.
Can we put the Bill Gates antibiotics thing up here on the screen?
Right.
So this was, so I want you guys to notice this is in a sent email.
Now, do you remember what I showed you earlier from my own reporting?
Because one of the things that Bill said was, this is fake.
This is all a complete fantasy Bill Gates.
He sent it to himself for some reason.
He sent him to himself.
I have no idea why.
Didn't I show you guys earlier that Epstein routinely sent himself emails?
You would only know that if you've read thousands of his emails, which I have.
He routinely would memorialize and send things to himself for explicit purposes like this, for his lawyers, potentially for blackmail purposes.
And this is the email where he says that Bill Gates got STDs from these Russian hookers and then asked Jeffrey Epstein for antibiotics so that he could secretly give it to Melinda without her noticing.
Now, to be clear, Bill Gates denies it.
And Melinda Gates, I don't know.
I mean, I don't know if you guys saw her reaction.
She doesn't deny it.
She says it's sad.
Yeah.
She was like, it's sad.
Something like that.
Which actually, the last time I was here, we were talking about that.
And I explicitly was like, I think she knows more than she likes.
We said this, right?
And she got out early.
Yeah.
She was insider trading.
And so she shorted the gates.
I think she found something out.
And by the way, it's not just his cheating because he's cheated for years.
That's literally on the radar.
Didn't they have like an agreement?
Who knows?
Or like he gets to go to.
At that level, I have, you know, who even knows at that level how a real relationship could ever function.
But clearly the Epstein thing was something.
Like it was enough for her to be like, whoa, I'm out.
I talked about the Leon Black situation, right?
Where he had to pay in a settlement.
Reed Hoffman, that's another one.
Let's Play on the Island, Griffin.
I have that.
I saw somebody bring that up about Richard Branson, bring the harem.
There's no way.
Dude, he's a good guy.
There's no way Richard Branson is involved.
I'm just saying.
No, but I saw somebody call out the New York Times for that, that they didn't include Reed Hoffman in the list of people that were interconnected.
Oh, I think the all-in guys.
Yeah, they may be right, actually.
That's a good point.
So, Jason, Jason, why would you do this?
Why would you say you cannot, you cannot, you cannot say I didn't talk to him when you know that.
When you totally talk to him, you have to do the RFK thing and be like, we're digging for dinosaur bros.
You have to like lean the fuck into it because then when it comes out, people go, okay, you are lying.
Right.
You have lied.
And once we see you as a liar.
I barely knew the guy.
And then here, I spoke with Jason Calcanis.
It's literally an email from Jeffrey Epstein.
That's fucking.
There's also Steve Tisch.
I'm sure you guys have seen the Giants owner.
That one's bad, by the way.
I mean, that's bad.
I mean, he couldn't even say that he didn't find girls.
He's like, he had to be like, they were legal.
Yeah.
He said this specific email he says, pro or civilian or working girl.
You're like, dude, there's no innocent explanation for this.
Like, it's straight up.
There is literally no explanation for this whatsoever.
Like, he was procuring girls on your behalf.
The thing I can't wrap my head around is like, it seems like America, we're just more concerned with just outing the people who are in the files instead of like. prosecuting them.
Right.
That gets to my earlier point, remember, about foreign governments.
So I showed you guys, and I have some of that in the accountability section.
Griffin, we already showed the French one.
We showed Peter Mandelson, but like Norway, Slovakia.
Let's put those up there so that they can see them.
These are important.
Like the former prime minister.
And I think what they did is they made him step.
No, no, no.
I think they're actually involved in the former PM.
Yeah, so Norway's former prime minister is charged with gross corruption over Epstein links.
And then in Slovakia, they actually, the prime minister's national security advisor had to resign over Epstein Links.
What do you think the public can do to force their hand?
Because I feel like the public is what forced their hand to release the files.
Right.
Like, can we just change direction and be like, hey, we want to see some prosecutions?
I think that the best way to do that is to channel your energy through the current process, which is Rokana and Thomas Massey.
Like they're not dropping the ball.
And also keep involved at the democratic level because this means if you're representing, let me explain this.
Representatives care about nothing.
These are not principled people.
What do you mean representatives?
Like your house representative.
Your congressman.
Your congressman's greatest dream is to go viral.
That's all they care about.
I wish I was joking.
So what the best thing you can do is to reward them is to say, you will go viral as long as you pressure the administration about Epstein.
They need to turn every appearance of every one of these officials every time they're in front of Capitol Hill.
There's going to be an Epstein question.
You can never let them escape.
Right.
And like, that's the only way that this will become a thing is if they know that there's enough public and political pressure, as we all saw through the democratic process.
That's the way, let's, let's use the power of virality for good.
Yes.
You're addicted to attention.
Yeah.
Make sure this is the attention.
Viral Representative Pressure00:02:03
Right.
These people are narcissists.
All they want is attention.
So let's give them attention, but only for the right reasons.
Be very careful with your narcissism.
With your rewarding of narcissism.
I've seen certain people on the right being critical of people on the left, like maybe now calling these things out.
And they're like, oh, you're just calling out because it could hurt Trump.
And it's like, good.
Yeah, right.
Whatever your reason for calling it out is, it's okay because it's the right thing to call out.
Totally.
Who gives a fuck what your reason is?
I mean, I imagine it's.
And by the way, a successful political movement.
When I was a crank talking about this on YouTube, now it's a national story.
It's like me and like maybe like 15, 20 other guys.
We put it on Netflix.
That's my point.
We want credit.
Right, but okay, great.
Like that's my point.
Guys, we were cranks, no?
Like we were literally looked at as cranks.
That was a national movement.
I will say credit to Netflix.
Like we were naming all these big names and we didn't get pushback.
That's awesome.
We only got pushback about one person.
Ellen DeGeneres says vagina smell.
That was the only time that Netflix was like, ah, we got the only note.
We got a special coming out with her.
Do you have to make a finding Nemo joke?
And we were like, yes.
And they were like, okay.
That's true.
But like, to be honest, this is, and again, I can't believe I'm defending kind of the big institution right here, but I mean that.
Like, you kind of need the institutions to go, hey, we're going to put this kind of stuff out and this is important.
And then after years with people like you speaking out, a bunch of other people speaking out, you know, maybe us putting a little something out, a little pressure, this starts to melt.
And it looks like we're starting to see something.
I think when to what you were talking about, like, why do we want to see all these people punished?
I think it's because the feeling is that nobody gets punished.
Yeah.
Right.
So we're like, we need to see somebody go down.
I feel like we just want to see them like named, but like no one's calling for a punishment.
I want more than that.
That's the worst part.
Is let's go to the accountability section, Griffin.
All of the people who are being held accountable for this right now are just private citizens, which by the way, like is fine, but that's a sickness in our system.
Swiss Bank Connections00:07:59
So for example, Kathy Rummler, we talked about this.
Oh, you're Goldman Sachs, lawyer.
She's, let's put this up there.
She just was, yeah, she would just step down.
They handled this top lawyer.
This is a perfect example of like having a crisis PR team handle something well because they said she sat down because of connections that I've seen in the emails.
And they didn't go into the actual interaction that they had.
So this is Goldman Sachs' top lawyer.
I think she was also working in Obama.
What did she do for the deputy White House counsel?
She was the deputy White House counsel for Obama and she's Goldman's top lawyer.
Can you bring up the email correspondence that Mark sent us earlier?
Oh, yes.
I'll send this to you, Griffin.
Just one moment.
Again, there are people that are mentioned in the Epstein files that are mentioned tangentially.
You know what I mean?
She's in there so many times.
Right.
But like, this is a very specific interview.
I'm taxing to you, Griffin.
And I think it's worth looking at because, yeah, go.
Yeah, this is, let's say, let's see.
You need to talk to the boss.
This is from Jeffrey Epstein from Kathy.
She says, doesn't look like you're prioritizing your schedule effectively.
How are you going to manage all this week?
This is UNGA week.
That's UN General Assembly Week for the uninitiated.
So the boss will be in town.
I'll be here all week.
You may get sick of me.
Just sat down on the train so can talk freely.
Epstein says, Girls, question mark, careful.
I will renew an old habit.
Then he says, This week, Teal, Summers, Bill Burns, Gordon Brown, Jaglund, Magnolia President, Hardy Puree, Boris, Gates, Jabor, Qatar, Sultan, Dubai, Costlin, Harvard, Leon Black, Woody, you are welcome, a welcome guest at any time.
We've reported that email before, but that's like a who's who, where he goes, girls, careful.
I will renew old habit.
Anyway, here's all these famous, rich, and powerful people that I'm meeting with while they're in town for the UN General Assembly.
That email, I think, just kind of encapsulates everything.
People are like, oh, how did they, how did he get away with this?
Like, how did people let it happen?
And it's like, he's putting it out in the open.
He's making a tongue-in-cheek reference to his prior conviction trying to procure a minor.
Girls, I'm going to go back into an old habit.
And then at the same time, he just goes, look at all these amazing, famous, wealthy people that I can put you in contact with.
Yeah, exactly.
So in all of the Epstein files, what is the craziest email that you feel like everybody missed?
The most interesting email is this connection of the House of Rothschild to Jeffrey Epstein.
And what we find in the article, as you guys can see, Ariande Rothschild sending thousands of emails there to Jeffrey Epstein.
She is at the head of this bank in Switzerland, Edmond de Rothschild.
Edmond de Rothschild at the time was facing a lawsuit or a problem with the Department of Justice in America.
The Department of Justice was alleging that Edmond de Rothschild, the bank in Switzerland, was helping wealthy Americans dodge taxes.
So what they decide is that they'll pay a fine.
Now, to negotiate that settlement, they hire two individuals, Kathy Rummler and Jeffrey Epstein.
And Griffin, can you go to Most Interesting Email just so we can see the exact text?
It's my own tweet of a screenshot of their email.
He says, I think you will find 45.5 penalty.
That's 45.5 million legal.
Kathy plus Pillsbury, around 10, 10 million for people fees to Kathy.
Me, 25, all less than 80, pretty good.
So they paid 45 and a half million to the Department of Justice.
Epstein was paid 25 million to broker that deal.
Kathy and her team paid some $10 million.
Now, by the way, the reason why this puts it all together for me is you have the Rothschilds, you know, this famous storied family in the history of Europe, and you have them negotiating with our Justice Department, the American Justice Department.
Who do you hire?
Normal people in Washington, again, I'm from Washington.
I know how this works.
There are 10 law firms which you hire.
You don't hire Jeffrey Epstein unless you're hiring him for a reason.
And when you hire him for that reason, it was to negotiate with the DOJ.
Now, who's he negotiating with on behalf?
What influence does he have?
You have the former White House deputy chief of staff to President Obama working for you.
And what you do is you get that settlement knocked down.
How did that happen?
That's the story for me.
The House of Rothschild, Jeffrey Epstein, Swiss banks.
You know, this is where, by the way, what did I talk about earlier with Epstein's influence and money laundering?
Now, does Swiss banks maybe have anything to do with that?
No.
Right.
Oh, it would never, right?
They would never engage in the movement and the housing of dirty money.
Like, this is honest.
Well, they are honest.
They are honest in their silence.
They'll take money from anybody.
But that'll take credit too.
Yeah.
Right?
What do we know the Swiss for?
That is my thing.
What do we know the Swiss for?
What?
Credit?
Chocolate.
Oh, yeah.
Chocolate.
There's not a single fucking cocoa tree in Switzerland.
Is that true?
Of course I don't.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think about it.
I only went there once.
It's a great country.
You'll never see one because it doesn't grow there.
No, but I'm saying it's grown and stuff.
But how did they get the expertise of chocolate?
I wonder what countries in Africa they might have colonized to get all this cocoa.
I thought it was.
Okay, I'm going to have to look into this actually.
Because I thought it was a South America thing.
Anyway, they got it there too.
Coming back to the Rothschild thing, you have the storied bank, you have the head of that institution, or one of the, you know, the primary parts of the institution hiring Epstein, his associate.
And actually, if you continue reading the way that it all went down, is at various times, he's using his network as the Rothschild bank is on, is going through all these changes.
So at one point, he's like, why don't you meet with my friends at Apollo, Leon Black, right?
Why don't you meet with Kathy Rumler and hire her?
So he's using his social network of all of these other people involved in the files to actually set up meetings with the new house of Rothschild and the bank in order to broker some potential deals, some tax advice, flipping things around, some investment vehicles, various different things.
A Barack at one point is potentially involved.
Like my point is just that he uses his whole social intelligence, money laundering, and all of that network, brings it together for political influence to negotiate this one deal for the Swiss bank.
So even though that bank story is kind of like is kind of peripheral, if you think about it, like it's not the biggest story in the world.
That's his whole influence.
But also that's everything.
It's the Swiss banks.
It's like U.S. government.
It's not for the Swiss banks.
It's for the powerful Americans that are hiding their money.
Hiding their money around.
That's why I think it's lost in all this.
Like we hear the Rothschilds, oh, he's just helping out the Rothschild bank.
No, no, no.
He's helping out the Epstein class here because they're going to have to pay even bigger penalties for dodging taxes and hiding their money in that Swiss bank.
Exactly.
So the Swiss bank is leveraging maybe their relationship to do it, but this is him just helping out his boys.
And once you get helped by him, now you're implicated forever.
So now you're also silenced, right?
You're doing the deal with the devil, right?
Oh, this guy's going to save you 100 million or whatever, Leon Black.
150.
So 150.
But now you're tied in.
So for $150 million, you're tied to the pedophile forever.
Yep.
Now, the question is, how much?
And they were tied for years before that.
Sure, no.
That's the craziest part.
There are other things, but there are people which they do something one time and then they'll continue to do it.
And maybe they're aware of his actions in the past and what he was convicted of, or maybe they weren't.
But once they become aware, they know that they can't remove themselves from him.
It's over.
And that's how you end up in such a, I barely knew the guy, right?
Which is what Rosschild said.
Oh, I knew him a little bit.
I regret any of my past association.
Like, when you look at all those emails, you can see like the names of all the people who were emailing back and forth with him.
Like, it's unbelievable the extent of all of these like wealthy, not only business Titans, academia.
That's man, that's another thing where it gets dark, like with the academia stuff.
His obsession with eugenics.
Leon Black Deal00:04:06
Explain this.
Let's get into the salacious.
Like, let's do it, dude.
Tim Dylan had amazing stuff here.
He was talking about the pizza and jerky.
Oh, pizza jerky.
And he's like, he's like, yeah, of course.
Like, I mean, it makes total sense that the most wealthy people on the planet that have access to the best restaurants and the best private chefs would be obsessed with jerky.
Of course, there's nothing else here.
I mean, there's an email with Epstein.
Well, so I actually do think that email, I'm pretty sure it's about the restaurant cannibal, which it was just a restaurant.
Like, people are misinterpreting that.
Well, there is one with Epstein and a guy who's like a massive urologist.
I forget his exact name.
And he emails him saying, Hey, let's meet up.
I would love to go grab pizza and grape soda.
I have that if we want it.
I have the Hudson Pizzagate.
I don't know a ton of billionaires, but how many of them are going up for pizza and grape soda?
It does sound a little odd.
Like, again, I don't know what it is.
It could be drugs or soda.
It's not bad.
I wanted to let you know that I like pizza.
This is better.
That was the closest thing there was to a black person.
Singular mention of grape soda.
Yeah, I wanted to let you know in the crew, we really appreciate the pizza today.
Thank you for letting us do that.
Next, you mean radiating with a soft glow, look of bliss.
Yeah, that's the pizza.
Dot dot dot.
Let's go.
Come on.
What else do we have?
That's better than a Chinese cookie.
This is better.
Nobody calls it.
Chinese cookie cookie attached.
Let's go for pizza and grape soda again.
No one else can understand.
Go know whatever that means.
And yeah, so there you go.
There's multiple pizza references in there.
Again, look, some of it add an instant explanation.
People pointed to the jerky thing.
That was about a restaurant, I believe, called Cannibal.
So I want to be responsible and stuff there.
I'm saying this one, I haven't seen the innocent explanation.
People have pointed out the muffins thing.
There's a lot of references to muffins, but then shrimp as well.
Have you seen that?
The shrimp one is another one.
But there's also references to an actual muffin recipe that just seems like it's muffins.
It could be muffins.
Let's go.
Can we put Snow White, the next one, up here?
This is where I'm going to show you guys this stuff, which is legit and has no current innocent explanation.
Or I challenge you to find one for this one.
Quote, The Snow White was effed twice as soon as she put her costume.
Smile, smile, smile.
So, yeah, I mean, that's, yeah, I don't know how else you explained.
Yeah, right.
And we don't know what it's from.
It was a character.
No, we have no idea.
I will say that Jess Staley, who was the former CEO, Barclays Bank, he actually, who what?
Walt Disney?
Is it a book?
It's Grimm Brothers.
Yeah, is it Brothers Grimm?
Is that a Brothers Grim?
And where are the Brothers Grimm from?
I don't actually know.
I'm going to go German.
Let's see.
I mean, if that's what they're calling like German academics, wow.
If that's what they're calling like these white European prostitutes, Snow White.
Oh, I forgot on the Snow White thing.
The Snow White, there was a reference.
There was a reference to Snow White by Jess Staley, where he said, Snow White, something like, can you find it, Griffin?
Jess Staley, that he was the former CEO of Barclays Bank.
He actually resigned because of Epstein.
And previously, he worked in JP Morgan.
And he was at the Nexus with Epstein.
They exchanged like hundreds of emails, but he previously had made a statement about meeting Snow White.
Or he's like, Snow White says hi.
So maybe Snow White was one of these.
You know, yeah, there you go.
Right there.
Maybe, what did he say?
He sent an email, answered Beauty and the Beast.
Oh, well, yeah.
Say hi to Snow White.
What character would you like next?
Epstein responded.
Staley replied, Beauty and the Beast.
You know, actually, now that I look at the date in July 2010, can you go back to mine?
That might be the same timeline, isn't it?
July.
Oh, yeah, very good.
July 2010.
So maybe we just saw something right here.
Anyway, not alleging anything, Mr. Staley and his lawyers until his name is redacted.
But you could put those two things together for yourself.
So he had a favorite, and then he would dress her up as children from.
Can we put hairy coconuts up there?
This is another one.
Here we go.
I mean, this is reassuring to all the people that text and use like emojis like snow and leafs and stuff like that.
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Yeah, that would never feel.
Yeah.
You'll get away with it, guys.
I ordered sweet young coconuts from Thailand for you.
They just arrived.
Very yummy.
I was going to ship them to you in Paris, but I hear you are coming back.
So I will send them to 71st with Sarah.
Just so you don't have to drink juices from old hairy things.
Oh, God.
No, I think that's about coconut.
Yeah, I could be.
I don't know.
I'm just, there's one, you know, haven't seen an explanation.
It's listen, I've never seen anybody refer to coconuts that way or like who would ship coconuts across the globe.
No pairs.
Thailand person.
I've been to Thailand.
There's plenty of coconuts.
You can ship any coconuts.
You know what I mean?
They're available on the street.
There's literally guys who will crack them open for you and do the whole thing with the machete.
You can just stick your strawberry.
Unfortunately, Thailand is also known for something else.
Yeah, no, I just gotta say, or you can think about something else.
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Let's go to shrimp.
Yeah, give me some shrimp.
I tried to photoshop the cream off the twin shrimps.
Quote, I like shrimp, but not so much if it's too pink.
Although I'm definitely more into white than into any other color.
Two are Russian, some are shrimp.
You throw away the head and keep the body.
She will give you a massage.
She looks better than shrimp, anyways, and good with massages.
Code word shrimp.
Again, I don't know what's going on.
Yeah, they're bad at that.
Let's go.
Wait, what are people alleging the shrimp means?
I have no idea because my point is just smart.
Sounds strange.
What do you think?
I mean, the implication is quite obviously like some type of sex trafficking.
Yeah, whether it's a you know, adult prostitute or a young child that's being trafficked.
And that's basically how people are implying this.
There's also reference to black shrimp, I believe, where they're like, oh, I don't like black shrimp.
And so it's like, what even is black?
Like, it's not even a thing.
Right.
And so, and then there's also references to like being in an aquarium full of women, like in the same kind of correspondence.
It's like coded fish language to basically describe sex trafficking.
Yeah, as long as you don't have any hammerhead ones, you throw away the head.
Yeah, it's it's look.
And as I said, all of these I've checked.
Like these are actually in the files.
And anybody who doesn't believe me, you can go and check every email for yourself at any time.
It's on the DOJ website.
You just have to search the text.
Tell me about sulfuric acid.
Oh, I think that one's been debunked.
Let's see.
I have it.
I think I have it in unsubstantiated.
I got it.
Yeah.
55 gal sulfuric acid.
So there was concern.
People were like, oh my God, were they dissolving bodies?
He ordered 55-gallon containers of sulfuric acid.
If you actually read the purchase order, I think it gives it away.
It says 55-gallon drum sulfuric acid, materials for conductivity pros, replacement pH and cable-RO plant.
Apparently, on the Virgin Islands, there's a lot of reverse osmosis water treatment plants.
So that was the potential explanation for that one.
I will say it was on the same day that the FBI opened up the sex case against him.
So I'm noting the context there, but I was contacted by an expert who said that the RO plant is most likely an explanation for reverse osmosis and that that's what that would be used for.
There was another concern.
Can we put the trapdoor photo up?
Or what else could we order that would make sense?
Listen, you're on an island.
How things confirm also destroy evidence.
Here's another one.
This trapdoor that everybody saw.
This one I still have never.
So like there's this, there's this trap door that leads from the floor directly into the ocean.
Again, someone on the island contacted me and told me that it's common to have something called water cisterns that you need access to in Some of these island homes, and that that could potentially be the.
I'm just, I want to offer the act without, you know, not with context, just so people aren't immediately drunk.
This one wasn't as compelling because they're like, it's a trapdoor that leads to the ocean, it opens out, so it's right, it's inherently not a right.
It's likely they said something to do with water and cistern management.
I'm just, I'm putting these there because you may have seen these on social media.
But as I showed you already with the hairy coconuts, with the Snow White thing, with the pizza, the grape soda, those are ones where we have not yet seen any innocent explanation.
Can we put you will be 22, not 14?
That was another important one.
Have the people in these email correspondences been investigated?
Well, it depends.
In some cases, yes.
In some cases, no.
In many cases, we don't even know who they are.
As you saw in the Snow White email, it's all redacted, right?
But then you said that even in some of these case, like, look here, and these, like, these are all redacted in terms of who the sender and all of that is.
This might be because it's a victim, but like in terms of his own behavior, you can actually see here directly.
He tells a 14-year-old, or he says, quote, you are going to be 22, not 14 years old, in this email exchange.
And he even is instructing her.
So I'm going to read some of this.
Now that I understand, try to take some nude photos.
Be open, brave, sexy, wild, dance, jump, have fun, live.
I think you should take some of yourself first.
I wanted you to be free with yourself, blah, blah, blah.
Then he follows up.
I watch, she says, I watch porn.
Of course, okay.
I will be at home.
I will try to take some of myself.
He says, try today to be free.
You look great.
Think sex, intimate videos, have fun, learn English.
And then he continues about the you are going to be 22, not 14.
That's in the email exchange.
So there you go.
It's definitely a bit strange whenever you're reading the entire exchange.
I really, you know, I really have no idea.
Mark, what else is going on in there?
Well, I'm curious, what is the T-O-E-F L test?
Oh, TOEFL.
That's English.
It's English.
So this is a girl, a child that he's trying to traffic from a different.
Well, I mean, you could read it a couple ways.
He says, you're going to be 22, not 14.
Like, for example, you want to be free.
Like, maybe he's saying you are 22.
I don't know.
Like, there's a couple of different ways that you could read this email.
She could be a 22-year-old girl saying, don't act like you're 14 years old.
Whenever it comes, right?
So I'm just giving you.
But you can also, guys, you're getting a little bit of a sense for how disgusting this guy is, like openly talking to him.
And it's like this goading, like gross behavior that like girls will talk about when they're on dating apps.
He's like out there, like, do you watch porn?
You know, why don't you send me some self-manies?
And that's just, it's thousands.
If you control F into the files on the actual website, it's like, oh, I want to see you naked.
Send me pictures.
Hundreds of constants.
The strangest one that I haven't seen anyone talk about is the book recommendations.
Which one?
There's a few.
Obviously, he recommends people read Lolita.
Yeah, I know.
And regularly.
Actually, in his hacked email, we found that even right before he died, he was buying new copies of Lolita.
So he owned a first edition and he had an annotated copy.
So he was obsessed with this book.
He's obsessed.
And I've heard people suggest that it was potentially like a pass.
Yeah, like having a physical copy of the book was somehow some type of access point or some type of signal because people are referencing and emailing him saying, which copy do you want me to use?
Do you have a copy I can borrow?
Things like that, where it's like, if you recommend a book to me, I would just be like, hey, I got the book and I read it.
Or hey, thanks for the book.
But he's saying, when I arrive, do you have a copy of the book?
So it's like they need to access it for some reason.
The other one that's very strange is that there's direct recommendations from Epstein to, I'm assuming, victims saying, read the story of O.
I think you'll like it.
Now, the story of O is, and if you Google it, you actually probably get like a more exact definition.
I obviously have not read it.
But the story of O is a book written in like the early 1900s that is a woman's like story about a girl that gets basically like bound and tortured by a man.
And it's like an extremely graphic book that was a French erotic novel in 1954.
And exactly.
It's some BDSM fantasy.
Ritualized dominance of submission, psychological surrender, power, ownership, and identity, erotic humiliation, and devotion.
O gradually relinquishes autonomy, undergoes physical and emotional transformation in pursuit of the experience as love and fulfillment.
Yeah.
And he's recommending this book to multiple different people saying like, hey, you'll enjoy this.
Read this.
Like basically embody this book.
I think you'll find it valuable.
Yeah.
Right.
Which again, I think just showcases like how sort of demonic his proclivity is for this like power dynamic when it comes to sex.
Right.
He was.
What is the other book about?
Huh?
The other book you?
Yeah.
Oh, Lolita.
It's a very famous book.
Old gobble.
Yeah.
A guy marries a woman and he ends up sleeping with her stepdaughter, right?
Is that Lolita?
Is Lolita's the, I haven't actually read the book, but he starts sleeping with a stepdaughter and the whole book is like a justification about how she kind of seduced him and he's obsessed with her.
And she's a young girl.
And she's, yeah, she's like 12 years old, like this entire time.
And so, no, it's a book about pedophilia, basically.
It's like a book.
The people, it's a very famous book.
And people say that the book shows how much of a monster he is because he's all, he's like blaming her.
But obviously, like the people who read it who are into this look at it as like an inspirational story.
So it's like, he didn't really read it the right way.
It's weird.
Cohen Grooming Dynamics00:14:54
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
He's like, oh, there are more people like me.
Like, I think the book is about how he's a monster.
The book is like, the book is to show like how disgusting he is.
But he obviously didn't get that.
Yeah, it's like mind comp it's like different people read it for different reasons.
He's wearing this with Scarface all the time.
You were like, dude, Scarface is sick, dude.
I want to be Scarface.
You got to watch it.
You're like, no, I don't see the end of that.
That's not the point of the movie.
Should we do the plant one that we learned today?
Oh, yeah.
Let's do the plant one.
That's a fun one.
Paralytic drug.
This is from TMZ.
I actually looked into this one specifically for this pod as I was on the way here.
So TMZ reported on this email.
I checked the email.
It is legit.
They say Epstein may have had a collection of highly poisonous plants known to produce a drug that blocks free will in its victims.
And so the drug that is referenced is about this zombie plant drug and specifically a type of drug which produces, it's angels' trumpets, which are toxic, and they produce a drug called scopalamine.
And so I looked into it.
There are two emails in the Epstein files that reference scopalamine.
And one of them, here, let me find it.
I have the exact screenshot.
It says forwarded email to Epstein.
Scopalamine, powerful drug growing in the forests of Columbia that eliminates free will from the Daily Mail that was forwarded to it.
Real quick, is Snow White Sleeping Beauty?
No.
Those are different characters?
Different.
No, it is.
Yeah, they're definitely different.
Yeah, Snow White's posted up with the story.
Snow White is the seven dwarves.
Sleeping Beauty is its own story.
That's Prince Charming.
Right.
I don't know.
Let's do the Ohio gynecologist.
This was from local news in Ohio.
Epstein made regular payments to Ohio State head of gynecology.
Okay.
And who also lives in Ohio, by the way?
Leslie Wexner.
Leslie Wexner.
Oh, Wexner, his main financier.
Exactly.
Interesting.
Langdon received as much as $25,000 every few months.
Langdon told NBC the payments were for consulting work and he had no knowledge of Epstein's crimes.
Along with the quarterly payments, Landon received 10 packages from Epstein Associates.
In all, he spent more than $200 mailing things to his home.
The files do not detail what was named.
A man named Eric messaged Epstein saying, Dr. Langdon's 25 quarterly payment is due.
Please approve.
A few hours later, he wrote that Epstein's company had billed Leslie and Abigail Wexner in advance as we have for prior years for the payment.
There you go.
That's all I get.
I have no idea what that holds about.
For Gates' STD.
There's multiple of these types of things where he's off paying.
We didn't even talk about the U.S. Virgin Islands.
We should do that for a second.
Let's do Epstein-Pays tuition of U.S. Virgin Island governor's kids.
So, you know where Little St. James is?
He was literally paying the tuition of the U.S. Virgin Islands governor, their children, at the school.
And he wasn't even the only person that he was paying for.
And remember, their congressman, Stacey Plaskett, was live texting Jeffrey Epstein in the middle of a congressional hearing.
And she has never apologized for it.
And in fact, the emails show that she went to the island.
You can go to the link right before that.
Democratic Representative Stacey Plaskett went to Epstein Island in 2014, previously worked for the Epstein Fixer in the Virgin Islands, who accompanied her to the island.
Plaskett is the only sitting member of Congress, it seems, to have visited the island right now.
She's still so far.
Yeah, she's still, she refuses to apologize.
What did she say?
Or Crockett said.
Jasmine Crockett defended her.
Yeah, Jasmine Crockett was like, she was emailing a constituent or something like that when I heard a couple of things.
You can literally watch it on video.
You can watch the video.
Of course I have.
It's absurd.
You see her literally who she's questioning.
She's going after someone else.
She's questioning someone live in a constitutional hearing.
I think it was, what's his name?
And Epstein is coaching her through.
Literally saying, hey, ask about this.
Ask about this.
And she goes, she literally asks about it.
She doesn't know if it's a name or an acronym.
So she's literally just like impractical.
It was Michael Cohen.
It was Michael Cohen.
Wow.
So Trump's lawyer.
Yes.
Yeah.
She's talking to Trump's lawyer and Epstein is giving her things to talk about.
And she's just saying it live in the hearing.
Yes.
Basically being like, oh, what do you know about this?
Doesn't know if it's a person or an acronym.
Right.
And it's just straight up like impractical jokers.
She's getting told shit while she's saying it.
These things are absolving Trump or incriminating Trump.
It's putting Comey or it's putting Cohen under pressure.
Oh, so it's meant to.
It's actually bad for Trump because Cohen was there testifying at that time.
Remember, he turned on Trump.
That's what I'm trying to understand.
Is Epstein trying to incriminate Trump or is that?
Well, actually, from the emails, it does seem like Epstein hated Trump near the end.
He was kind of a Russiagate libtard near the end of his life.
Like he was ordering all these books and he was encouraging people to ask questions about Trump.
He's putting pressure on Cohen and making Cohen go, oh, how do you know about that?
Like that's basically the energy that it's giving off.
He's a great person to be hated by.
Oh, Epstein?
You hope that he hates him.
Right?
Like, why does he hate Trump?
I don't know.
It could have been the business.
Look, there's a variety of explanations.
The fallout allegedly over Mar-a-Lago.
There's a theory that they got into some spat over a real estate deal.
Right.
And then maybe because of the Bill Clinton, like you just said, I hadn't even realized that he had brought it up one time in 2016 about Bill Clinton, his relationship to Epstein.
Epstein didn't like that.
Where are his enemies?
Where are Epstein's enemies?
This is what I find so peculiar.
Where are the people that are, I mean, even Putin has Navalny.
Right.
Do you know what I mean?
Where are his long-standing enemies, the people who are like, fuck this guy, he's a piece of shit.
Maybe they, for whatever horrendous, fucked up reason, they look past the human trafficking because maybe they do those things as well.
But maybe they hate him because of other things, other business dealings that have gone wrong.
Maybe they have ideological differences about the world and they don't like him as a power player, which is obviously like the Naval New Putin thing.
Where is the opposition to him?
I mean, they're afraid.
Yeah.
Maybe they're afraid because he's more afraid of Epstein than Putin.
Well, I don't know if that's necessarily true, but it's like it's one.
Well, first of all, Epstein not nearly as power, or maybe he was.
It depends on how he found power.
But the question around like, why was nobody out?
But the one thing I think that erases a little bit is the victims who fought him in court for 10 years, right?
Like it took them 10 years.
But the victims are not billionaires.
That's right.
That's true.
That's the thing.
I heard this from Ezra Klein's pod that he the guest brought up a point that Epstein groomed everyone, that he groomed the girls that he was procuring to come to the island.
He was grooming these people, but he was also grooming these billionaires, that he himself was hand-holding all of them.
And someone at his level, at Epstein's level, the amount of money and influence that he had, he has people flying to the island and he's personally texting them and emailing them.
When do you land?
What do you need?
How can I help you?
I'll pick you up.
But he is personally being the liaison to give them concierge service everywhere they go when he's in control.
And I think that he's actively grooming them to the extent that he makes all the rich, wealthy people really happy and he's able to exploit and basically sell out and traffic the most vulnerable people that he knows can't go against him.
Right.
And so he keeps all of his enemies right here.
Yeah.
And you have, I mean, what's astounding is the sheer number.
Like Elon.
And by the way, we haven't even talked about Elon.
That was insane.
Like begging to go on Christmas morning with his wife.
6 a.m. with his wife.
Yeah.
And Epstein tries to go like, she may not like her.
The ratio is kind of off.
And he's like, she'll be fine.
Like, she'll get over it.
And you're like, dude, I'll be like, Epstein doesn't really like Elon, but it's still being very diplomatic and being very nice with him and saying like, hey, the parties are actually canceled.
It's not you.
Like he's an absolute operator at all levels when he's dealing with the highest drought.
Or the tour of SpaceX, which, you know, Epstein always, or Elon always said he didn't get it, give him one.
And then Epstein goes, thanks for the tour.
Sarcastically.
Yeah, I mean, maybe, but it's one of those.
Do you subscribe to this to this allegation that Elon makes that Bill Gates shorted Tesla at the behest of Epstein?
I don't know.
I've never followed it.
I mean, I feel like nobody, I feel like zero people are trustworthy in that entire story.
So it's one of those where I have no clue.
And at this point, I'm not exactly in the business of believing Elon, considering how this whole Epstein situation works.
Of course, you have to be questionable of everybody.
So I think you were about to bring up one more thing, but then I do have an overall question.
I think we've hit most of the billionaires that are on my list.
On this point, I just want to say that there's so many people.
I mean, I've just heard justifications where they go, oh, I didn't know.
And then people say, oh, maybe they didn't know.
You don't Google every person you get connected to.
And I've heard people say, I disagree with that, but sure.
As do I.
And I've heard people say, like, oh, they just look past it because the charge is kind of bullshit.
And he says that he wasn't really even in prison that long.
And they're able to look past it because it does something better for them.
But there are people that got connected to Epstein that turned him down.
And there's a bunch of them that just said, like, Joe Rogan, I want nothing to do with this.
Norm Finkelstein.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Much of them were like, no, man.
They were just like, yeah, I Googled him and this is a bad, this guy is bad.
I don't want anything to do with this.
And to me, that completely skewers this whole defense of like, oh, I didn't know.
I didn't Google it.
Totally.
It's like, well, there's so many other people that did.
So in a lot of cases, the people who said no had way less power, right?
They were not nearly as rich.
Like, for example, Reid Hoffman, one of his defenses is he's like, oh, well, he would only help me raise money if I went to.
He's like, dude, what do you need to raise money for?
You're worth like $40 billion.
You need help raising money or whatever.
You know, you're what?
Your collective net worth of you and all your friends is going to be in the hundreds of hundreds of billions, right?
Why do you need this obscure financier to help you finance like an MIT or Harvard donation?
Like even that explanation passes no smell test for me.
Same with Bill Gates.
His original explanation was what?
Oh, well, he was going to help me raise money for the Bill and Melinda Gates.
It's like, dude, you were one of the richest men in the world.
Like, what do you need this guy for?
Allegedly, the real influence campaign was Bill Gates needed him to help him win the Nobel Peace Prize.
But honestly, the more that we see now, it's like, dude, maybe there was something going on in terms of the social life that Epstein has offered, you know, is able to offer him.
And then when Bill cuts him off, what does he do?
He memorializes this memo to himself about Bill and Bill Gates and the STDs and all of this stuff.
Like, that's how it operates: he got in with him.
Maybe Bill realizes he's a fraud or he gets upset with him.
That's exactly when the Epstein email is going to strike, right?
That's when the memo comes.
It's like, no, you don't get to walk away from me.
I walk away from you, if ever at all.
And like, that's the nature of his blood and blood out.
Right.
It's the nature of his relationship with all of these guys.
And he's charming and brings you in.
And if you try to fuck him, then he has stuff on you.
Yeah, exactly.
He was nasty.
I mean, you see it in his communication with his victims, right?
And how commanding and controlling he is.
And then also in the way that, like, when you cross him, all the people who did business with him, they're like, oh, you do not want to be on the other side.
Why?
What happened?
Because he wouldn't pay his bills or he would go through a protracted legal battle or he would call somebody to yell at you.
Like his MO was, if we're in business, you're going to be my friend, everything forever.
But if you mess with me, it's going to be a problem.
So who was doing the punishment at his behest?
Well, he had a lot of lawyers.
I mean, he was a very good man, right?
Well, I can't name all of them.
One of the lawyers, you want to look it up, one of the head of the law firm just stepped down.
Who was it?
Law firm stepped down, Epstein.
Yeah.
Make sure I get his name.
Because these guys are not co-conspirators in the sex trafficking per se, but they are co-conspirators in terms of the operation.
So you look at like a Harvey Weinstein type.
Well, again, they're not guilty of sex trafficking, but they are guilty of maintaining his power structure.
By the way, this is a lawyer.
That's their job.
Paul Weiss.
Paul Weiss is a massive law firm.
Like anybody who knows that this is a very influential.
So to have Brad Karp, who was the chairman of Paul Weiss, to step down over his relationship with Epstein, big deal, right?
Because you could actually see Karp once thanked Epstein for, quote, hosting him for a once-in-a-lifetime evening.
Epstein told Karp, you're always welcome and that there are many, many knights of unique talents.
You will be invited often.
Look, let me give the innocent one.
He often held dinners and lunches with very wealthy, powerful, rich people, smart people, MIT law professors.
A lot of people actually went to those and they didn't know anything about the sex stuff.
Now, I will say, you know, some of them who did go were like, yeah, even when we were at innocent dinners, there was something off about the guy, or he would have women who were sitting in his lap, right, at the current meeting.
The paintings are all like deeply sexual and disgust.
So there's, you know, there's not a full off of just doing that.
Like, if you went in there, you probably talked about Diddy parties.
No, we were all at the Diddy party, but I ain't seen none of that shit.
Yeah, exactly.
That's all I recognize.
It's like, yeah, but you definitely knew something was cool.
It's like, you definitely knew that the power dynamic.
You can smell it, dude.
Like when you're, if you're in a room like that, you're like, something is not right.
You know, it's like, especially with those pictures.
Also, I just do want to return to that thing.
People were like, oh, well, I didn't, I had no idea.
After 07, like, I'm sorry, Google exists.
The charge is registered sex offender.
Solicitation of a minor for process.
Like, is it a sex offender?
I thought that he was a registered sex offender.
But I thought the specific charge, the sex offender registry, was wiped after a year.
I forget, I forget the timing of it, but he had to register as a sex offender.
But I thought that he went away afterward.
Like, I thought that was why part of the reason why we took a sweetheart to him was because he could operate as a normal citizen afterwards.
I don't have it in front of me.
I'd have to look it up.
But the registration term, I don't know, but the solicitation charge is out there.
It was literally public record.
The solicitation charge, yes.
Right, but it literally says solicitation of a for a prostitution involving a minor.
Right.
Like, I'm not, I would never meet anybody like that, right?
Like, would you?
No, no, it's just a Google, it's a single Google, it's simple Google.
And you can go to Wayback Machine and you can look at what the Google search in 2016 was on Epstein.
And you get three links down, you go, Miami man arrested and prostitutions.
And you're like, this is crazy.
Right.
Yeah.
It's like, no, this is not happening.
Then you're going to continually do business.
You can also see, I believe, I don't have it in the document, but there were, I think there was some email where a firm was helping him edit his Wikipedia page or like edit search results.
So like he was very concerned, exactly maybe about this, that people were out there Googling him, who he was supposed to meet with, and then they're removing some of the search results.
Zoro Ranch Charges00:11:52
So you mentioned earlier that you got the email leaks.
Are these different emails from what some of them are in there?
Not all of them are in there.
Okay.
So one of his emails was hacked by this collective group.
They gave access to my colleague Ryan shared it with me.
Actually, not just me.
Bloomberg News got their hands on it.
A couple of other news outlets, and we all went through it.
I mean, it has a lot of personal information, so we can't just publish all of it.
And, you know, you have to be responsible.
But we published most of what we thought was newsworthy.
That underage email I showed you, that was some from his hacked email.
I don't even know if that's in the file.
Was there an email?
You know how he sent himself an email to maybe blackmail Gates?
Was there one like that about Trump?
No, there hasn't been one that I've been able to find yet.
I haven't seen one, at least in the sent email.
And I checked, to be fair, you should remember this.
He changes email all the time.
The hacked email that I had access to was only active for a select few year period.
Every time you would get in trouble, he would change his email.
So there's like 10 emails out there.
There's a pre-99 email, there's a 99 to 05 email, there's an 05 to whatever, like his legal emails that I had kind of had access to when he was negotiating his plea agreement.
That's why it was interesting for me because it's like a very dark time in Jeffrey's life.
But then there's a Ghelane changed her email too.
She had multiple different email addresses.
So even what you see here, there are a couple that are in there.
But that's why I think the channel's four story about how maybe only 2% of what's been released, like that's the whole point.
There's still so much out there.
I mean, my dream is the 90, the pre-99 stuff.
That's where it all.
And nobody has touched that.
No, but there's nothing in there, man.
I mean, nothing in there about all of that.
That's where Les Wexner, Hoffenberg, you know, Iran Kant, like, that's the real stuff.
Who's got their hands on that?
Who knows?
I don't even know if it exists at this point.
I'd be shocked.
Oh, it exists.
I mean, it still exists.
Like, there's stuff at like Zoro Ranch that's now in the hands of like a new private owner.
And like the DOJ is like, we're going to investigate what's going on because there might be bodies.
Yeah, what's we're going to get there in a few weeks?
You want to pull this up, Griffin?
Yeah.
Zoro Ranch?
You're not going to tell someone that you're going to go investigate where they're going to go to the next one.
So Zoro Ranch was an Epstein property that has never been searched.
Yeah.
And by the way, with New Mexico, one of the Epstein-linked politicians that nobody remembers now is Bill Richardson.
He died, but he was the governor of New Mexico.
He was a very prominent Democrat.
Did he die or did he die?
No, he like died.
But if you paid attention to, like, I knew Bill Richardson, like, he was very connected with the Clinton machine.
I think he went to North Korea at one point.
Like, he was a very prominent like, if you were in the news business 10, 15 years ago, you knew who Bill Richardson was.
And he was deeply connected to Jeffrey Epstein.
It actually comes out in some of the files.
So just to connect the tissue to Zoro Ranch and the New Mexico property, because not a lot of people pay attention to Zoro Ranch and the Jeffrey Epstein connection.
In fact, I believe it was bought by a Texas politician or who is running for office right now.
But New Mexico has now approved a new commission, if we want to pull that up, Griffin, a quote, truth commission on the Epstein Ranch abuse.
Lawmaker said the panel will compel testimony to discover what happened at Epstein Zoro Ranch and who knew about any of the alleged abuse that happened there.
Multiple women have said that they were abused at Zora Ranch.
I do believe that it was never raided.
Yeah, they've raided all the other properties: New York, Caribbean, Palm Beach, and Paris.
Never were touched Zora Ranch.
So it's, I mean, look, who knows?
I don't know.
It's been a long time.
I'm not quite sure exactly what's left there at this point.
Like, at that time, was the time to sit around and gather the evidence.
But this just goes to show the sprawling nature of the investigation.
And even in terms of what remains and is interesting, let's say, like in the files, is what remains most important, and what I kept emphasizing last time is the money.
And can you Google Ron Wyden Epstein treasury records?
I wanted to make a public call for this.
These still have not yet been released.
And these are like when we talk about files, this type of stuff that should be.
The Treasury Department is sitting on a trove of suspicious activity reports that the banks put together after Epstein's death that detail like a billion dollars in suspicious wire transfers all around the world.
That is what I want to get my hands on.
And that's the stuff that's not released.
That's the stuff that, unfortunately, it's not sexy.
Like we talked about for politicians.
Yeah, there you go.
Wyden expands Epstein investigation with probe of hundreds of suspicious bank Mellon transactions.
Epstein moved nearly 400 million in and out of accounts in a bank of New York Mellon through 270 wire transfers.
That's just one bank.
There's multiple other banks that have suspicious activity reports just with stuff like this.
This is the whole story: piecing together where the money went, who it came from.
And that is what actually would really implicate and screw a lot of rich and powerful people.
And that could show money laundering.
That could show the tax avoidance.
That could show the shell companies and the payments in and out and the intelligence networks.
Yeah, I mean, who the hell knows?
Most odd, everybody would be involved with something like this.
This has never been, never been released, never been touched.
This wasn't required that it was given to the public.
Well, it's a different, it's part of the treasury department.
It's a different outside of the Department of Justice.
So that's part of the difficulty with this.
But this is the FOIA Treasury?
You can, but this one, you know, ongoing investigation.
I mean, we could try.
It would probably take years.
As I understand, and by the way, if you're listening to this, some people have seen these files.
The investigators from the committee, they were allowed to read them, but they couldn't take any notes.
Like they were allowed to go in and review the file, but they weren't allowed to take any notes and they're not allowed to talk about it.
So I've been trying to anonymously get in touch with anybody who's seen people on Ron Wyden's staff, a couple other people on that committee, the finance committee.
So there's not that many people.
And even then, I think technically they'd be speaking out of turn.
But if you want to talk anonymously, I'll protect you.
I would love to know what's in the files.
Can I ask you a question?
Yes.
Epstein is gone.
Yeah.
Maybe he's dead.
Maybe he's somewhere else.
But he's only a cog in this greater machine.
So my question is: who is the next Epstein?
I do not know who the next Epstein is.
I have a suspicion of where it will come out of.
I think I have a section here to start with.
Next episode.
Let's start with Eric Schmidt.
Okay.
So Eric Schmidt, he's the ex-Google CEO.
Here he was more recently spotted with 27-year-old daughter of a German politician.
Let's just say we've often heard about Eric and some of his exploits.
But I'm putting this together with a couple of other stories.
Can we go to the Elon and Sergey story, for example?
Sergey Brin.
Yeah.
So do you guys remember the whole Nicole Shanahan, who was RFK Jr.'s running mate?
And she was married to Sergey Brin.
And allegedly, according to this Wall Street Journal article, she slept with Elon Musk, apparently at a party.
And yeah, and that was the precipitating of their divorce.
And Sergei, by the way, was named sometime.
Epstein.
And then go to that polyamory article, the next one from 2017.
This, I have just heard, and the reason I'm putting this all up of Eric Schmidt, Sarah Gay, Elon, and the ins and outs of Silicon Valley's new sexual revolution.
This is from 2017 about polyamory.
There was and has been now a movement in tech over the last decade of the transhumanism.
You guys know what that is, like specifically with AI, you know, and to like move past any normalcy and to break boundaries.
And one of that was in the area of their sexual morality, and that's why they're embracing polyamory.
Well, if you put all this stuff together of the transhumanists and of the questioning, whoever the next Epstein is, it will come from somewhere like this.
I think it's going to come right.
I mean, think about it.
That's where the money, the power, where's all the all of US GDP is tied up in AI and data capital expenditure.
It's in the hands of Zuckerberg and Sarah Gay, Google, Amazon, Jeff Bezos.
We've got to look at him and his, you know, the whole Lauren Sanchez thing.
So I'm just saying it's going to come.
And then the rise of personalities like Ayella Girl, we could put her up her.
Griffin loves this particular person.
Are you guys familiar?
Do you guys know who this is?
She's a substack girl.
I think she's in Austin right now.
I think she's in Austin.
She frequently writes about her sexual exploits.
I've seen her on Twitter.
Yeah, she does like research about data-based analysis on her clients.
She's like orgies.
Yeah, on her class.
So she'll like post an orgy and then take data based on it.
The number of men who did it.
The number of men, how many times they did how many times.
Yeah, exactly.
And then one recently, she took a kid's virginity.
Yeah, that's right.
In the original and wrote about taking kids' virginity in the orgy and did a bunch of data.
Anyway, she's very popular.
She's very popular in tech.
She's very popular in tech.
Yeah, no, yeah.
I'm not alleging, to be clear, I'm not alleging underage abuse in any of these cases.
What I'm telling you is painting a picture of all of these prominent tech personalities where we clearly can see a moral degenerate framework.
And obviously, in my opinion, if there were to be a new Epstein, it will come somewhere out of Silicon Valley.
As we saw, many of the Silicon Valley people were involved with Epstein.
So if there's going to be a new one, it's going to come out of this nexus of power, money, control, a belief that we're better than everybody else, building the technology of the future.
I mean, shit, a lot of the stuff Epstein was into, like eugenics and, you know, his DNA.
Can we put that New York Times article up there from eugenics?
Jeffrey Epstein's hope to seed the world with his DNA, to seed the human race.
Like he was literally obsessed with impregnating women at the Zorro ranch at his New Mexico ranch.
Like this is.
Does he have any kids?
We don't know.
It's all it's exactly.
It's all these references in the files to stolen babies.
Andrew Windsor's former wife.
She emails him.
Andrew Windsor is Prince Andrew?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Stripped of his title.
So he's just Andrew Winter.
You get a last name now.
You're no longer a Brazilian football player.
But his wife or ex-wife sends an email to Epstein saying, congrats on the baby boy.
Yeah.
Right.
And then also immediately follows it up with saying, hey, I feel like our friendship is so fake.
Like you kind of like, you know, ghosted me.
I feel like you just wanted to get close to me to get type of Prince Andrew.
It's just like a like the whole exchange is bizarre.
Isn't there, do I have in there the diary entry, diary baby stolen?
I'm fairly certain that I do.
Let's find.
Yeah, here it is.
Let's see.
Perhaps it says baby.
Perhaps it's not.
There was this diary entry, a 32-page diary of an Epstein.
This was part of the files.
By the way, again, not confirmed.
Epstein, a victim.
She writes that she gave birth to a baby girl and was used as an incubator.
That's what she wrote.
This is very cryptic and it's very strange.
She says, controlled all by Jeffrey all the time.
Go to New Mexico.
What in the hell?
This makes no sense.
What about school?
He is now controlling everything when it used to be Ghelane, who someday acts like she hates me.
I'm tired of keeping this secret.
I know people are wondering, but I can't tell.
I'm exhausted.
I don't understand why she's treating me on some days like I'm the enemy when we lay in bed together and she is how she used to be, warm.
She eventually, this is like I said, this is like 32 pages, but at the end, she says, I missed the person I was before I was made into what feels as a human incubator.
And she says, this is not surprising.
There's no such thing as a child prostitute.
They are children and cannot consent.
They are missing the biggest in my own backyard and so many more.
So, yeah, I mean, look, again, this is 32-year-old, 32 pages.
It's, it's rambling.
Like, we have no idea what this entire thing was about.
But I did check.
It is an actual entry, which is in there.
She alleges the incubation.
Pathological Narcissism00:07:34
I will say there have been multiple instances of these transhumanist billionaires.
Google the thing about the Chinese billionaire, Chinese billionaire IVF Babies, California, where recently in family court, it came out that a Chinese billionaire was paying American models to have his babies via IVF.
He would never even meet them.
Yeah, here we go.
The China, Chinese billionaire having dozens of U.S.-born babies via surrogacy.
So he was like paying, sorry, I said IVF previously.
He did surrogacy where he would have his like his genes or his children like impregnated into these surrogates who he'd never met before.
And he would be their legal father in the court of law and in exchange would pay these people for years and years, like give them a stipend to raise his children in America.
And it's all based on this belief of just like paying people to spread your seed to as many as possible.
I think Elon, Elon is involved allegedly in this type of stuff.
So is the signal guy, Pavel Durham?
Yeah.
With Telegram.
There you go.
He's basically, I think he has a deal where any woman can carry his child and he'll like pay them a small amount or something to that effect.
And anyone on earth can have his kid.
I think he has like allegedly thousands of children.
Right.
So there you go.
Right.
So I just gave you guys like multiple super rich examples.
Thousands of children.
And there's multiple of these billionaires.
And they were out there.
This is the allegation.
I don't know exactly how many.
Maybe I'm not being responsible.
But I think he has a contract and paperwork where basically he's absolved of any type of like fatherly duties, that this is just a donation.
Right.
But he'll donate to anyone.
So what is this about?
What is the is this some flex?
No, it's not a flex.
It's it's like Genghis Khan.
Like they believe that they're better than us, that they need to spread their seed, that their seed is morally and, you know, is morally and is morally superior, morally and genetically superior to the rest of us, and that they have a social responsibility to perpetuate their genetics in the gene pool as much as humanly possible to achieve domination.
And like it's quite literally about that.
And that is Epstein at his core was a transhumanist.
He also, at one point, see if you can find that email where he makes fun of Bill Gates for Christian morality.
He like makes fun of Bill Gates for being like, oh, Bill is this idiot.
He has this Christian idea that all humans are created equal, right?
Like he was like, he's like, what a naive and a stupid belief.
And so what?
That we're all the same.
We're all equal.
I've heard different people have these discussions.
Like, what do you think?
Like, how do you think somebody comes to these conclusions where they're trying to justify justify their success or their power?
Yeah.
Like, where does that come from?
Is it like a baked in narcissism that gets wrapped up in some like pseudo-technical justification?
So that's it.
You're just trying to reframe your narcissism for why you are the supreme being.
Right.
I mean, you, we're all in a unique position.
Like, we've actually met a lot of like very famous people or like powerful people or even like successful people.
And in my experience, there's two kinds.
There's one kind who is like, man, let me tell you, it's pure luck.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, you know, it's like, there's one kind who is like, there are 15 other guys who I started out with who were just as good as me.
I happened for this, this, and this, and all lined up perfectly.
I'm going to make the best of it because I'm very uniquely in this position and I am not better than anybody else.
Like, in fact, a lot of people who I knew who were better than me ended up not making it.
And that's a tragedy.
And in fact, you should try.
A lot of those, those people will try to lift other people up around them.
Right.
And then there's the other kind who was like, no, it was only me.
Right.
And it was their weak.
They tapped out.
They don't have what it takes.
Those are the types of people who, in general, will subscribe to this.
You know, it's very enticing.
You're a billionaire, man.
You're in the top.
0.0001%.
Of course, your seed should be spread.
You're better than everybody else.
You hire everybody around you.
Like, think about even in the best circumstances for those people to stay grounded.
And then how easy is it when there's this whole permission structure, technology structure, ideology that says, no, you're better, we should just keep cranking it up.
Yes, spread your seed as much as possible.
Genetically engineer.
Oh, if you have a different sexual proclivity, it's okay.
The law does not apply to you, right?
The law, like Andrew, you texted me.
You were like, why do we pay taxes?
And I was like, well, man, we don't have influence over the people who have monopoly on the use of force.
So we'll go to jail.
Whereas the people, you know, like the people who don't pay taxes, if you don't get in trouble for that, you didn't do anything wrong, right?
There's no such thing.
Everything is in the eye of enforcement.
Like, and like, that's a theory about structural power, which I think is so enticing for people who are very, very, very wealthy.
Yeah.
It's dark.
And then when you ask, like, why are people going in like the administration and not doing anything?
It's like, yeah, they got invited on the boat.
Yeah.
And it's like, oh, yeah, you're in the club.
Like, you can either fight us forever or you can just join us.
Yep.
Right?
And it's like, a lot of them just join.
And most people probably would join.
We got to sink the boat.
Yeah, exactly.
I can't believe like, yeah.
I never understood that feeling that you don't count luck as this massive, this massive assistance in your success.
I know.
These people are pathological, though.
Or not even luck.
Like the other one I heard people do, and I like this one too: is you sometimes hear athletes talk about it.
Is I'm not as talented as these guys, so I got to work really hard.
Yeah.
And there's like, yeah, you're giving yourself credit for hard work, but there's a humility built into it, which is all these guys around me are so fucking good.
And I got to find a way to be good as them.
I got to find a different way.
And that might just be like, I got to work twice as hard.
So there's this humility built in that is like really beautiful.
It's also relatable.
Even giving it to God.
Like if it's sincere, it's like, hey, it's not me.
Right.
It's not everything outside of me.
And we mock people that do that.
Yeah.
These people mock people that do that.
No, they do.
You see it all the time.
Somebody might accept something, some award, whatever, and they're like, I really want to thank God for giving me this opportunity.
They're like, oh, you got to thank God.
Look at you.
My kids think you're better than everyone else.
You know, well, imagine that person can't believe what they've accomplished and they're trying to justify it in some way.
And instead of going, I deserve it because I'm better than all of you.
They go, there's a fucking higher power and that's looked out.
Dude, I feel that way being able to do what I do.
I'm like, I look back on it and I'm like, there was break here, break here, break here, break here.
It's like, you better make the most of it, man.
There's a lot of guys who you started out with who are not in the position of 100%.
But if you can't get it, I don't think you ever will, because I think it is truly a pathology.
Yeah.
Right?
It's like someone that has like synesthesia.
Like they can explain to you how like they can, you know, like see sounds or whatever, but like you can never truly know it unless you have it.
And these people truly have a megalomania, like a narcissism that is clinical.
And it's all, in my opinion, rooted around control.
Everything is all control.
Like destabilizing governments, growing their own portfolios, connecting these people.
Even I think their sexual proclivities and their trafficking crimes are controlled.
Dude, all of his sex stuff is controlled.
You see it in there.
Take the photo, do this.
It's all, it's like frame control.
Everything is about is he has to control every aspect of the interaction from who he pays to the recruitment, even the act of a massage.
Like, it's submissive.
He's like, I'm not doing anything to you.
This is all about me.
Yeah, like the whole thing is about me, right?
Like, that was his entire frame.
You could benefit from sex, not with a child, obviously, but with an adult.
Like, anybody actually feels some joy out of this?
Feudal System Control00:12:15
No, no, nothing.
Yeah, you feel like you service me.
That's it.
That's more so.
Like, and again, this came from the pod that was the guy's name, Anand.
Anand did with Ezra, where basically he's pointing out that, like, I don't know if this is all pedophiles from a pathological standpoint or just Epstein, but it's this idea that an adult can stand up for themselves.
They can push back against you.
They can have their own opinions.
Like, they are their own human being, but children can't, or at least with intimidation and fear, they're much less likely to do so.
So, it is the sort of zenith of control that this person is truly just a vessel.
I think Virginia Guffrey, even in her book, talks about how Epstein just talked about women as vaginas with a heartbeat or something to that effect.
They're like, You're not a human, you're just a thing for me to exploit.
He has some email in here where he tells them, He's like, He's like, Don't open your mouth too much, or something like that.
He's like, Nobody actually cares what you have to say.
Yeah, like the way he's talking to, I think it's some girl who was asking about for career advice.
He was like, Don't open your mouth too much, nobody cares what you have to say.
Yeah, yeah.
What is what does justice look like?
Great question.
Um, I would like to see some semblance of what we have in the UK, which I think is handling it responsibly.
The party in power and the ruling opposition and the opposition decided this is a serious scandal.
The party in power had to face very difficult questions, had to allow open police investigations to be had about the royal family and about the person who was part of their government.
The House of Lords had to have a discussion about stripping of titles.
None of it to me reeks of like going too far because what they're doing is they're just opening an investigation, they're making it so that like set a playing field and also setting an accountability within the culture of their government.
Of like, this is intolerable.
We cannot have everyone in government who has been acting like this with Jeffrey Epstein.
And what I think is responsible about that is that the party in power got hit, they had a they have a real political problem around this.
The opposition, both from a political perspective, but also from a justice perspective involving the police, is actually opening investigation into all avenues.
That's what I think justice would look like here.
Like, everything that we've put up to, let's be clear, like many of these emails are just allegations, and allegations are not substantive enough to be able to convict someone in court, nor should they in the United States of America.
It's great as a journalist to have as much information as possible, but real justice has to be adjudicated through our court system.
And I would want a real investigation over all of the claims, the co-conspirators, the money, and you know, from the financial crimes.
And I think that's what justice looks like: that ultimately it's about accountability for the people who appear to truly believe that they're above the law and to just put an end to not just that criminality, but to that mindset and to send a message.
Because that's what the Epstein story is about.
Yeah, that's the Epstein story.
Yeah.
And then our justice is: hey, we charge one person and then put her in a cushy jail and probably we'll get clemency at the end of the year.
I mean, how crazy Peter Attiyah justice looks Peter Attia's emails were fucked up.
We can admit that, right?
Okay.
But how is it that he's in more hot water than the commerce secretary?
That's crazy.
That's actually insane that Peter Attia has more of a pylon than the commerce secretary of the United States of America.
Well, he's staying at CBS.
Right, yeah.
Well, sure, but he was at least in hot water.
Or that guy, the head of Paul Weiss, Casey Wasserman, he's selling his LA talent agency.
Boohoo.
Okay, sorry.
But still, I mean, I'm sure it sucks.
You know, if you're him, but like my point is just Casey Wasserman is under more of a more problems, is facing like financial pressure and all this stuff, and is facing more accountability than the commerce secretary of the United States of America.
That's crazy, or the current president who is just acting in an insane way around.
It seems like they're giving us the people who rely on those institutions of power and have benefited from them, but not the people who are actually part of these institutions now.
And we need to see the people who are part of these institutions and these power dynamics go down.
So, what are the based on the information that we have right now?
Who are those 10 people?
Who are those 20 people?
Who are those five people?
Like, who are people that there's enough, we think, incriminating evidence in the files?
It could be child sex stuff, it could be financial crimes, it could be cover-up.
You know what I mean?
Like, is there enough?
We know that obviously there's not enough in the files to be able to name any of that.
I would say there's not enough in the files, and it's irresponsible just to give 10 names from what we've seen, from what we've seen, right?
From what we have seen in terms of what's public, I would say that obviously Wexner is an important place to look.
How the fuck is that?
But I still think we need much more information.
And I, again, I know it's not as sexy.
I think the financial stuff will prove everything.
I think that is everything.
That is unfortunately.
The financial stuff I think is so derivative from the initial story.
Yeah.
Right.
And I think is like so far out of the understanding of most people.
Like right now, I'm understanding like money laundering and moving money around so we can move weapons around the world.
I don't even really know what that means, if I'm being honest with you.
Like, yes, I know we need to get weapons to Iran and we have to do it through these intermediaries.
I conceptually understand it.
But when someone goes, there's a child sex trafficking ring, there are kids potentially being murdered around the world by all the elites.
I think the knee-jerk reaction from most people is we need justice for that.
We don't give a fuck that they're sending some missiles over to Iran.
I think that is the sensation.
But what you're saying, and I think is probably the most true, is that by solving those financial crimes, it will solve these as well.
Yes.
Because what's probably the case is the top of the top is that.
And the sex crimes are derivative of that.
And they enable the intelligence and the finance that enables everything else.
A lot of the people who were involved with him, they probably had no idea.
Or if they did have an idea, they looked the other way, but they weren't participating themselves.
But he was so useful to them that they it all kept perpetuating.
And yeah, that's you know, we talk about a culture of permission.
And ultimately, he was allowed to operate in a permission structure where he got to be phenomenally wealthy, unaccountable to the law, build this empire that he was on the top of, where he was orchestrating geopolitics and various deals with different countries and all this other stuff.
And as he got more power and money, the sex empire grew, right?
But that it only is able to grow because of the umbrella of the power.
I think what's super damning is all the DVRs, hard drives of the secret cameras.
They have what, 80 cameras in the house.
We have no idea how much they're doing.
Which they say are in the files.
We have no clue.
They say they're not in the files.
Yeah.
Or they're not going to release it because it's CSAM and it's a victim material.
Sure.
Which, look, I mean, I have no idea.
It probably is, but like, we have to do that.
Isn't that the most damning?
Because we can literally see the people who are there interacting with potential girls.
Yeah, I mean, that would be if they were to release it.
But there's also no co-conspirators.
So it's like there's this weird paradox that we're existing in.
Yeah.
Where there's no co-conspirators, but there is blackmail material, probably with child sexual assault content that no one knows about.
So There's no co-conspirators, conspirators.
Who is Trump and the administration protecting?
Great question.
Yeah.
Well, that's why they look.
Remember, it's always been very, it's always been very convenient to the current governments in power that Trump and Ghelaine Maxwell were the only people charged.
That's the most convenient way for it because then the Epstein story dies with Epstein.
The Ghelaine Maxwell charges, she goes to jail.
It's about her.
It's got nothing to do with anybody else.
Well, who are they protecting?
What we see from the Epstein class, as we see in all these stories, is that from the files, is that what they're protecting is the system.
If anything, like a system, and honestly, even a way of life.
Like it is literally quite literally that's you know, the way I described the way that the billionaires operate here about that with their spreading their seed.
Like it's a philosophy.
No, this is this mindset.
This, this, this is interesting.
Yeah.
They're protecting the system.
And the system is not dependent on one or two individuals.
Yeah, exactly.
The system is what allows thousands of individuals to thrive.
Right.
And if you attack that system, you remove the honeypot from all of those people that are interconnected around the world.
So the system to me that we're talking about is ultimately one that protects capital above everything else and financializes global markets.
Right.
Which, how do you actually dismantle that without just like becoming like, are we just doing like a theory podcast?
Yeah, yeah, right.
I mean, Mark, unfortunately, that's an age-old political.
I'm trying to not get like fully just like pilled here where I'm like, dude, I'm an Angles bro.
No, what I'm saying is I think that like dismantling a system like that starts with punitive measures from the people taking part in the system.
Yeah.
Because if there's no punishment for taking part in the system, you're going to have these, you know, maniacal narcissists take on that thing without any real risk.
Right now, if Alex wants to write off his fucking car for his business, he's got to think about it.
He's got to call a CPA and be like, okay, how do I make sure that it's a vehicle that I'm only using for my business?
Or I'm using a hypothetical here, but like these guys don't give a fuck.
These guys are going, I'm not going to pay tax on any of this, or I'm going to send 200 million over to this foreign government to, you know, what's it called?
Cause unrest.
But that's a feature of the system.
Right.
But if you felt a mistake, but if you felt that there was repercussions for taking part in the system, i.e., what happened with the church committee, right?
What was supposed to happen in the church committee was, hey, there are repercussions, CIA.
When you go around the world and you do these bad things, we're going to punish you and the people in it.
Now, did it stop it?
No, they found a workaround.
But I guess what we have to do is, just like all law enforcement, is continue punishing workarounds.
Yeah, I think even with the church committee, I don't even know if there was repercussions.
It was just an exposure.
No one that ran MK Old Trust.
That's a good thing.
And on top of that, it gets put into black sides.
Yeah, you're not wrong, but I would disagree with that.
It wasn't a serious punishment because what it did is it humiliated them.
And also, what it did is it made America never trusted their government again.
There are two single things that made Americans never trust their government.
It's the JFK assassination.
And also, it was Nixon, the 1970s, and the church committee.
There was an entire decade of like, no, these people, oh, in Vietnam, obviously.
Those, those things, JFK, Vietnam, the church committee, Nixon, that decade made it for the moment that we're in right now, where they were like, we can't trust these people anymore.
So like, I agree, like real justice would be.
No, but they, no, for real, don't.
Like me and me.
Oh, okay.
If you go look at public polling, there's like Pew Research polling.
Like 90% of Americans were like, I believe the government in 1955.
It's crazy.
We were living in a different world, man.
Like, they were like, well, the president said it.
Eisenhower was like a god.
I think he just said, if he said something, they're like, yep, got it.
Yeah.
So this is my thing.
We're ultimately looking at an actual shake-up of how the world interacts with capital.
Like, is really kind of what we're flirting with, which again, I don't know if that's the answer, but I do think as long as these things continue to exist, and then you kind of put like some punitive shit where like you trust bust and you have like, you know, post-robber bear in America where like you kind of reorganize things.
Yeah, the progressive era.
Yeah, it just progressivizes, but then it backslides into this exact like quasi-feudal system where the richest 1% just do whatever they want with impunity because that's how it's set up.
Yeah.
But maybe that is, maybe that is what you have to do.
It's a constant fight.
Yeah.
It's not like, hey, we fix it.
And then these people who constantly are looking for tiny margins that they can exploit are going to stop it.
You have to keep looking at them every single day, every single year.
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You got to keep punishing them.
And you have to set examples.
Like you have to set examples that make other people that would be willing to join these groups go, it's a little risky to go over there.
Yeah, exactly.
Everything is about permission structure is you want to shut down permission structure to try and disincentivize.
Also not a bad idea.
But now you understand how they got to the geeks.
You can't do this fucking shit.
Did you see the thing that people are saying they might have swapped out Glenn?
Like she looks like no credence to that.
Yo, the face looks a lot different.
She's a pretty good photo.
She actually is in my hometown.
She's in the town I grew up in in prison.
Really?
Yeah.
Brian Collisation.
I was already born there.
So like, yeah.
Can anybody visit her?
Well, you can't visit the prison camp, but you can get pretty damn close.
Like those daily mail guys with their telescopes, they get photos of her all the time in the yard.
She's in the same prison as Elizabeth Holmes and the real housewives.
She's not even supposed to be there because she's a sex offender, which is crazy.
That's a whole other story.
Yeah.
The Catholic Church says that people should visit people in prison.
It's a corporal work of mercy.
So you can get in good standing with the Pope.
But she would have to wait on the list.
She would have to put on this to get to a beat with you.
How hard is it to get on a list with Delaine?
Yeah, I don't know.
Fuck.
Yeah, I get your point, Mark, which is like you're talking about, you're talking about systems in place and a way that essentially the world works and blowing that up.
And I don't know if it essentially blows it up, but we have to create, like, these are people who are already risk averse and there's no risk for joining.
Right.
Exactly.
So you're taking the most, no, they're not risk averse.
Sorry, no.
These are the most risk-tolerant people on the planet.
And there's a club that you join where now you don't have to be worried about risk at all.
We have to increase the risk even a little bit, you know, because it's not going to be your morality.
Like the fact that Epstein is making fun of Bill Gates for having, and this is Bill Gates worth $50 billion for having too much morality.
Yeah.
Bill Gates, for having too much morality.
Like, what does that mean?
What does that say about Epstein and his cronies and the level of morality that Bill Gates is an anomaly to him?
Yeah.
Wow.
Wow.
Crazy stuff, guys.
You have the media covering it up that basically have a financial incentive in order to sell ads to their people.
So they run the stories that are going to get the money.
And then you have the legal system that's operating in lockstep with the criminals because they're being told that they're intelligence, allegedly.
And so, like, the legal system is failing.
The media is failing.
The government is ultimately failing.
The global system is all in cooperation because the financialized markets are basically pushing everyone in the same direction.
So, it doesn't have to be controlled by one guy, but just the incentive structure makes all of them do the same shit.
Dude, seeing Elon in the files and knowing how much I've invested in Tesla is very concerning.
And I say that as a joke, but I think that that's an example of how a lot of these people feel when they're pot committed, right?
Like a guy who, a guy like, I don't know, Teal, for example, this like kingmaker, this big power broker, like if you're invested in all these different companies that he's, you know, I wouldn't say that they're maybe dependent on him, but there might be this version where if you're one of these silicon guys, you know, he's getting into some nefarious shit.
I don't know if he is allegedly, but he seems to be all over this kind of stuff.
If you're, you're like, well, he's my access point to all these Series A rounds.
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Right.
And if I call him out for his fuck shit, am I not going to be invited to series A?
You won't.
Yeah.
And you won't.
You won't.
So it's like, it's, it's not only like the society's relationship to capital, there's like a personal greed complex that you have to, I mean, you're not going to eradicate it at all, but like that silences people.
You don't even have to silence them from being implicated.
You can silence them simply from wanting more money.
Yeah.
Rough stuff.
I should catch train guys.
Sager.
Thank you so much, brother.
Thanks, Chad.
Appreciate it.
Thank you so much, brother.
Okay, be safe.
Be safe.
I'm not suicidal.
What did Thomas Massey say?
He's like, I'm not suicidal.
I eat good healthy food and I can swim really good.