Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh dissect why women demand effort, linking modern dating struggles to oxytocin bonding fears and the clash between "girl boss" independence and traditional chivalry. They contrast New York's app-driven analysis paralysis with rural settling patterns while critiquing how Indian comedians like Ranveer Allahbadia face imprisonment for jokes Americans would only mock. The hosts argue that unlike US identity politics caution, India's morality police enforce censorship, yet they also lament the NBA All-Star game's decline as superstars prioritize injury avoidance over competition, suggesting golf tournaments might restore excitement. [Automatically generated summary]
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Women React to Valentine's Post00:12:37
What's up everybody?
Welcome to Flagra.
I hope everybody had a wonderful Valentine's Day.
I posted something on Instagram recently and women had quite the reaction to it.
I posted this on Instagram, not thinking it would get much.
12 million views later.
It turns out women aren't that happy with us.
And by us, I don't just mean Alex, Mark, Akash, and Andrew.
I mean just men in general.
It seems like there's some frustrations.
Let's play the clip so that everybody has some context.
Everything about effort.
Like, why is the effort doesn't matter when I go to work?
What is this?
I want you to write a card.
What are you talking about?
Write a card.
Explain to me the effort shit, right?
If your girl orders food for you or cooks food for you, which one means more?
I like it when she cooks, but if she was like, I'd rather just order it, I'm totally cool with that.
I just like the fact that she put she like.
The reaction from women about this clip was absolutely insane.
You know, we could have had a woman on the podcast, but that would go against our principles.
So I think it's just up to the boys to figure out what is going on.
Are these women frustrated with us?
It would appear so.
It would appear so.
Yeah.
Those are just the lonely ones celebrating Valentine's Day.
What is Galentine's Day?
The ones that they just hang out with their girls because they don't have a emotional state that they're in and they really wish a guy would go put out some efforts.
I think there was also a lot of women who got shitty Valentine's.
Yeah.
They were really driving this.
One comment was like, he's 41 years old, mind you.
And I wanted to be like, this is a long time ago.
You're late 30s at that time.
I still got a card I haven't written for my wife.
And not only was it Valentine's, it was her 30th birthday.
I killed it.
I gave her a great fucking weekend.
It was awesome.
And that put a lot of effort into it.
That has nothing to do with the fact that I have an assistant now that I can outsource the effort to.
But that's what I was doing.
She didn't think it was weird.
Your handwriting was so nice on the screen.
She kept.
Who are these flowers from?
Testing me?
I was like, me?
I just say me no matter what is in the house.
I did that.
I got it.
Who shit on the floor?
Me?
That was me.
Definitely wasn't Kiana.
We hope.
Okay.
That's actually my suggestion, first of all, get an assistant.
Because all the thoughtful ideas that come to your head, but you're like, but then I got to do it, you can outsource to them.
Dude, I saw you walking out of the studio one day.
Your sister was like, hey, here's a birthday gift for your friend.
And you were like, really?
What is this?
And she was like, they're the paddle shoes you mentioned.
And I was like, oh, that's why you get.
Stop snitching, man.
Jason, I know Jason.
Jason, that came from me.
Who would have been chasing?
Yeah, but I was only one guy that played paddle with them.
Listen to the podcast.
I don't care about effort.
Yeah, that touched his soul, bro.
When I showed him them shoes, he was like shaking as he opened it.
Because I thought he was thinking it was going to be like vibrators and dildos inside or something like that.
But it was a real pair of paddle shoes.
Anyway, I think it's worth to have this discussion.
It seems as if, you know, women feel like we're not putting in the effort that we should be putting in.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I even saw a random TikTok recently after this conversation.
We were talking about it.
And some girl was like, I can't even go on a date with a guy if he's not going to put in a reservation at a restaurant.
Yes.
She says, that's a red flag.
If you're not going to make a reservation, we're not going to date.
So this is interesting.
You brought this up yesterday when we were discussing it.
There are these things that have become very popular for women to talk about.
Red flags.
You said the ick.
And all these things I think are really downstream from women wanting guys to put in effort.
Right.
Now, here's where it gets interesting.
And we do need to bring in the girls for this, so maybe grab them.
But this is, this is, okay, this is a kind of true thing.
Women's greatest fear, I believe, is being alone.
Men's greatest fear is being with a woman we don't want to be with.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, you can couch the women one.
I think they're also a little afraid of like getting murdered and stuff.
No, no, I'm talking about like a relationship emotional kind of fear, that kind of stuff.
Yeah, We're speaking on relationships.
Great exaggeration.
And I still think alone Trump's when they're alone, they did it.
Hey, hey, really?
Hypothetical that women were like, would you rather be alone with a bear or a man?
that everybody chose bear.
I bet if you said bear or alone, they'd be like, give me the bear again.
Okay, guys, so now we have, there's a microphone right there that I need you all to.
We're turning to a red pill podcast.
Let's go.
Yes.
We're checking out the studio every second.
Imagine the second they started talking about just walked a single file out of the house.
I mean, Tanya can't even.
I mean, we got that on camera.
We got that.
I'll kill you.
What is Tanya trying to?
Somehow it turned into a hose.
And she was like, I can't even.
This is, we try.
We try.
Okay.
So yesterday at some point, I think that Mark was being very diplomatic, but there is no room for diplomacy in this conversation.
At some point during our conversation yesterday, during our production call, you guys voiced this feeling that like a woman's greatest fear is being alone.
You fear being alone more than being with a guy you don't like.
Some women, yes.
Okay, this is a name.
Tanya's a fucking guy.
That's an unsure.
All of her opinions are going to reflect exactly how we feel, which I think why when we first met her, we were like, this shit's fucking awesome.
This was awesome.
But I think it also depends on age.
Point the mic towards you.
We need Dove in here.
Dove, get Dub in here so we can sit next to them and manage the women.
We need the four women in here.
I think it depends on, first of all, age and where you live.
I think that's like a big thing.
Okay.
Like if you're like when I was like a 25-year-old living in Montreal and everyone was coupled up, then it feels like, oh, it sucks to be alone because you no longer have fun things to do with your friends when everyone's coupled up and getting married and buying households.
And you're just lonely and dying.
Yeah.
And also everyone's like, pressure.
It's like societally, like that is an age in Montreal where you have to be settling down.
Okay.
Okay.
If you're 25 in New York.
Would you rather be with a guy you don't like or not?
I don't want to ask this question.
You don't have to ask me that question.
You don't want to ask me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because you don't.
As a real question.
Tanya doesn't even want to be with guys that she likes.
We were having this discussion yesterday and Tanya was like, I'll be honest, these guys are so fucking annoying.
They just want to spend time with me all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Alex was talking about, which I think might be a common theme here that I think realized.
Female Alex.
It's not mailouts.
We have a female one ex-Alex here.
And she brought this feeling about like girls would rather be with somebody than be by themselves.
Yeah, but I think it's also pretty point the mic up a little bit just toward your lady mic that needs to be shared.
Yeah, I think it's like subconscious that you don't realize that you hate him.
You're just like, oh yeah, guys don't know how to plan dinner reservation.
So you resent him so much and you don't even know why.
Okay, so this is, we're going to get to a good thing.
This is going to, and it's going to hurt a lot of our feelings because we're going to start realizing how significant others are.
But this is an important thing.
This is an important thing.
Because I feel this all the time.
Like, does my wife hate me?
And it's like, yeah.
No, but here's the, but it's not my fault.
They don't want to be alone so bad that they will be with guys that they don't like.
Yeah.
They don't even like us.
They just hate being alone.
And now they resent us because they don't want to be alone.
It's their fault.
It's their fault.
Yes.
This is the Eureka moment yesterday.
No, I think.
We are miserable because of you.
We've been telling you this this whole time.
We're like, we're good people.
We're trying to make you happy.
Why Andrew was so excited about talking about it?
I was like, I don't even get it.
I guess this guy's really excited.
What's going on?
I saw the light yesterday.
I was like, you finally blame them.
No, no, exactly, right?
Because this whole time that I was thinking, my wife hates me and she's like, I love you more than anything.
No, no, no, she hates being alone.
Yes, toxic femininity.
Yes, now we're talking about it.
Finally, we have women here.
You just resent how stupid you are.
But here's the question.
The messaging I feel like from like society and the moms out there, especially Jewish moms, I think religion is a huge part of this.
Are you Jewish also?
Yes.
Yuck.
Show me that.
So, by the way, we didn't know how to laugh at her until I'm a woman.
She doesn't watch somebody's face to screw.
I'm going to point out this is so funny.
We need to get Dove in here real quick.
So here's Tanya.
Tanya, Alex, and Kiana.
Okay.
Kiana is my assistant.
And she was here like two days, right?
And we were staying super late.
We're working on something.
And she started bringing up this idea of like, she's like, yeah, but you're spending all this money on Ubers and there's a certain situation where you could potentially get a car and you could, you know, have a driver for the car and that driver would be available to you whenever you want, but actually less than all these Ubers.
You should run that numbers.
And we're talking and then Dove just like stops and he gazes at her, right?
And Kiana is Chinese and Belizean, right?
And he gazes at her and he goes, Are you Jewish?
He was the greatest compliment he could bestow on anybody.
Anyway, okay, so Jewish moms really want you to get married.
They really want you to get married.
Because they want you to be miserable like them.
Yeah, exactly.
And then they want to pass it down.
Like, women didn't just invent this of like, oh, I don't need to be alone.
It's the messaging of like, oh, well, all men are terrible.
No man knows how to make a dinner reservation or write you a note or send you a playlist that you know they had thought of.
So it's just like, okay, well, then you might as well just pick one.
You're going to hate them anyway.
So the expectation is that we all suck, right?
You're going to hate us anyway.
It's not like for us.
Yeah, but when we live up to that expectation, you guys are still upset about it.
I just want to point that thing about the playlist, which is very true.
We don't do that.
But today, I just want to point this out.
We don't make playlists that you would like, but today, Mark had a playlist ready on the computer, white songs that black people like just for Alex.
You're very thoughtful for one another.
The effort you made today was phenomenal.
Come on.
Come on, come on.
Interracial effort.
My big thing, okay?
Not intergender.
I don't believe in that.
That was a great display of romance.
Yeah.
I had no fucking clue that a playlist was thoughtful.
Y'all like playing.
And I think I do a lot of thoughtful things.
That even lost my mind.
The only thing that seems like you're paying attention.
Yes.
But here's the thing.
We just pay.
Yes.
And that's your guys' fault.
We want you to pay.
Exactly.
Well, that if you pick one.
Well, here's something.
If paying didn't matter, I really believe if paying didn't matter to you guys at all, then we would have to go the extra mile to elicit that same reaction.
But unfortunately, paying for things works.
No, but hold on.
The paying is like a generosity thing.
And I think biologically we haven't evolved over time.
We still want to make sure.
Tanya's spit off.
Start.
We still make the pay for shits.
We want to know you're generous.
And when you expect us to have kids, I'm just going to be able to do that.
We can't work in a best spot.
Eventually, your guys are going to want to ask to have kids, right?
Eventually, you're going to want to have kids.
This is why women got the right to vote because there was one Tanya woman out there that was like spitting to all the politicians.
I think that they could do it.
I mean, think about women like Akash's wife who are constantly on TikTok.
Oh, this is another thing.
If we make Akasha's wife, we were talking about this.
This is my goal now in life.
I didn't know that Akasha's wife was like a serious influencer.
She's like a big fucking deal.
Okay.
I watch hours of her TikTok.
So here's the thing.
I didn't know this.
Now that I know that she is like an influencer, it hurts my feelings.
I've literally sent a video.
Remember, she made it on Fox News?
I sent it to the Flagroup.
And you didn't pay attention.
You paid no attention.
And that hurt my feelings.
That really hurt me.
This guy's thoughtless.
You know what, Hayden?
You know what happened?
When you send me a video of your wife.
That's what hurt me.
When you know that I have other shit to do and you're like, watch my wife talk about this shit.
That was the insulting thing.
Yeah.
I hate you.
Okay.
I hate that.
And you know what?
I'm going to do with that hate.
I'm going to make sure.
And listen, I say this to all the flagrant listeners out there, the flagrant viewers.
Please, I beg of you.
The Hurt of Ignoring Videos00:02:20
We need to make, what is her TikTok?
Just lean with it.
J-A-S-L-E-E-N.
Just lean with it.
We need to make it.
Just lean with it.
Rock with it.
We need to make her the biggest fucking TikTok superstar on the planet.
Okay.
You guys saw this one, her imitating me, right?
My mom has the biggest titties.
Bitch.
All right, bitch.
Shut it back up.
Shut the fuck up.
She's good, dude.
Make fun of other Indians.
Are you Gajrappi?
You cheap little bitch.
Are you Gunjabi?
You dumb fucking bitch.
Are you Malu?
You dark bitch.
It's me, dude.
It's me.
I'm just like saying what you would say.
I don't say that.
Oh, look at me.
I'm Akash.
I can't sleep.
That's good.
That's good.
We got it.
Hey, just lean with it.
We need to make that the biggest TikTok account in the world.
I just want to see.
I love that.
If you thought you weren't sleeping now, wait till your wife is making more money.
Guys, you should already know this.
But if you do not march 4th on Netflix, my new special life is coming out.
I'm very excited for you all to see it.
It's the thing I'm most proud of ever creating in my entire life.
Thank you to every single one of you that came out to see the shows on the tour.
If you were able to see those shows, watch that shit anyway.
And if you weren't, here's the opportunity for you to see what that hour is like.
Again, thank you guys all so much.
Spread the word.
We're running it up.
We're watching it as a family.
Go to Netflix right now.
Hit that remind me button.
That's helpful.
Apparently, it tells the algorithm that people are interested and it sends it to more people.
So that'd be very helpful.
But thank you guys so much for all the support and making this a possibility.
So life is coming out on Netflix March 4th.
We are watching as a family.
Let's get back to the show.
We also got to do dates.
We added a sixth show in Brea.
Tickets are almost gone.
They might be gone by the time you get this.
We'll try to add a seventh, but there is no real real estate.
So get tickets to this one.
Also, Zane's in Nashville, February 27th through March 1st, March 14th and 15th.
I completely forgot I got shows in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
So buy tickets to that.
21st and 22nd, Omaha, a bunch of other dates.
AkashSing.com.
We're going to add more April dates soon.
Oh, also, hurry up and buy April 11th through 13th, I believe, maybe 10th through 12th, but I'm pretty sure 11th through 13th in Tampa.
All the dates got canceled when I was had the flu.
Those tickets are almost gone.
So get your tickets for that.
AkashSing.com.
Now let's get back to the show.
Netflix Premiere and Ticket Rush00:03:58
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That's how long it takes in a while.
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Portland, Maine, April 27th.
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Multiple people have done trying to do that after the shows.
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Find out what his dick smells like.
Okay, so you need more effort from us, ladies.
And so what we're seeing right now is the complaints of a lack of effort.
And that kind of like masqueraded as these other things like red flags and icks, et cetera.
And that's what I think Mark was talking about.
Where you don't really have red flags and icks.
You just date guys you don't like because you don't want to be alone.
And then you start describing the things you don't like about them.
Yeah, yeah.
It's not easy.
It's just don't date us.
Agreed.
Don't date us.
We haven't heard from Kiana's.
Well, like, it depends on how much is going on, like, in your life.
Like, sometimes you just don't want to spend any time with anyone.
Sometimes you're really bored.
So you're like, oh, he wasn't that bad.
See, that's standards, though.
But what's crazy.
But then it's like you get fed up really quickly.
So then you're like, it's not worth the time.
Alex, what do you think about this?
What are your feelings about this?
You're so quiet over there.
What's going on in your head, right?
I wouldn't know.
I make a lot of effort with my wife.
So it's like, it's one of those things where you haven't even made the effort to make her your wife.
What are you talking about?
My wife.
It's the same thing.
You don't get to use that word.
If you don't got paperwork, you don't get to call her wife.
Okay, fiancé.
Fiancé.
Yeah.
Barely.
What do you embarrass?
What do you embarrass?
I don't know.
She got a race.
She got a race.
I don't even like that word.
Like, what does that mean?
And once you put it online, that's sufficient.
That's a fishing.
She won't even show her feet, bro.
Yo.
I'm saying, with all due respect.
With all due respect.
I'm not going to put the dogs on.
I'm only looking at Alex's mom's feet.
I'll do respect.
Imagine treating your mom worse than your fiancé.
Or better.
Or better.
Welcome to being married.
Yo, that's true.
They get along now, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's how you know you're not married.
You're always getting along.
Yeah, once you get married, that shit is going to switch up immediately.
They still play.
They playing nice with each other.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
That's not fun to look forward to at all.
No.
No, no.
The second.
No, but I had to create a game to show effort.
So me and my fiancé do Christmas every month.
So on the 25th of every month, we give each other a gift.
So we have to listen to one another throughout the month and see if you pick up on something that that person needs.
That's what I'm saying.
You got to gamify a lot.
Listen, listen.
You got to gamify it.
It's brilliantly framed.
You framed.
Now you're going to make it.
I'm not going to shit on it.
I'm not doing this shit on it.
But what's going to shit on it?
He's going to shit on it.
But this is genius.
This is why you're really smart.
Because you framed is this exciting thing for her.
And now she gets the effort that you want.
But what you really did is create a device where anytime she wants to buy anything, you go, but it's not the 25th of the month yet.
So why would you get that?
No, because he can still buy it, but he got to listen.
It's still his responsibility to get a gift that she didn't buy herself.
Yes.
So he got to actually listen.
Buddy, you dug yourself into a fucking hole.
It's already too many days to give a fuck.
Valentine's, birthdays, Christmas, India.
I got Diwali.
I got a fucking oh my god.
A funeral.
Alimony and Lifestyle Expectations00:15:22
But some of us like hearing from our partners.
Is that your home language, quality time?
Because that shit, I did the test as my least important with any human being.
Y'all get the fuck on my face telling you you love me.
Let's hug.
Yo, that's a lot, bro.
We used to spend so much time together.
No, yeah, no.
We live together.
We go out to eat until three in the morning every single night.
You love quality time.
Yeah, I was lonely.
I'd rather be funny.
You didn't actually like hanging out.
You don't watch the TikToks of my wife.
It's that thoughtless.
Just didn't want to be alone.
That's all.
I didn't know they were that funny, man.
I'll be honest.
I will subscribe.
I just got TikTok back on my phone.
Because I had a new phone.
You didn't get TikTok until like two days ago.
Yeah.
So now I'm locked in.
Okay, can I ask you a question about the rather be with somebody even if they suck?
Do you think it's rooted in biology and the biological clock?
I said no.
Hold on.
And I think, yes, because it depends on.
But let's let Tanya answer because her clock is all.
I only got a few hours left.
I was looking like you need to be.
No joke.
Two of my best male friends have been coercing me to go get my eggs frozen.
My male friends.
Yeah.
But this is a hustle too.
We were talking about this.
Yeah.
But also, I think it is rooted in that.
But I also think it's like if you're in your 30s, or mid-30s, especially, and you've been with the guy for like a year and you're like, fuck, I only have a couple more years left.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
So then it's true.
It is rooted in that.
And then there's also intertwined, like, all the other attachment stuff.
What's our maternity leave policy?
Gosh, I don't think you got one.
You know, it's funny.
Freezing your eggs is probably cheaper than maternity leave.
Yeah.
And I wonder if that's why the business is.
They do do it that way.
100%.
So, and then, oh, God, that's the worst.
That's 100% why the tech companies don't do that.
That's the worst type of sexism when it's framed as progressive.
It's the same as PTO, by the way.
Why do you think companies are?
The same as what?
PTO.
I don't know what that is.
Don't even explain it.
I don't want to know if there's something we should be giving.
I don't even understand that intellectually.
It's got time off in the fucking acronym or whatever that is.
Basically, tech companies give unlimited PTOs.
So how do you have a business?
Because the whole point is when you give someone- for fuck's sake.
When you give someone two weeks and then they don't take it, you have to pay them out for it.
When it's unlimited, and they most people in tech companies, they won't even take their PTO.
Love that.
They take shame.
Yeah, it's like, oh, like, especially in America, it's like, you're always working, you're always working.
Even if you're traveling, you're answering emails, but then the companies don't have to pay them out.
So it's like, they do it for like a tax purpose.
Oh, you're saying if they don't take the two weeks off, they have to pay them for the time they work.
So they do unlimited paid time off.
So they take three days.
So it's the same thing with the freezing your eggs bullshit.
Yeah.
We will ship in a freezer eggs, though, right?
Oh, thanks.
Yeah, actually.
Would you?
100%.
Yeah.
A jar in the office.
No, no, I would freeze.
I could work out a freezing situation.
No, no, absolutely.
I will definitely pay anybody here that we can't do it.
You got to witness this, everybody.
I hope Zach, you're listening.
No, 100% I will.
Well, no, Zach is gainfully employed.
You just offered.
Yeah, fuck.
Anyway, okay.
Is there a plan?
Should we come in the studio, though?
Is that allowed?
Oh, can we store them?
Yeah, we'll be the one that stores them.
Type is frozen eggs like an aggro crack, just like in the corner.
Before we forget, you had a great point on the call yesterday.
This is why Taylor Swift women fucking love.
Oh, because she seemingly doesn't put up with the shitty guy.
She'll break up with you.
She'll write a song, make all the money, but speak to you guys and your frustrations.
Because she's more comfortable being lonely, I guess.
Or the perception is she is.
Because she's financially independent.
There is an incentive to date the guy who can, yeah, maybe he's not the most thoughtful, but he can pay for a meal because maybe I can get out of this girl boss rat race.
Like, that would be great.
And Taylor can leave the guy because what's the girl boss rat race?
Well, just because I feel like girls are leaving this shit.
Like the girl boss thing was hot five years ago, and I feel like that thing is dying.
Well, yeah, it was kind of a lie that was sold to us.
Shift in social media.
It's like the whole trad-wise.
Like super like into like raising your children, cooking for them.
God just buying them.
Homestead.
Love chickens.
Everything from scratch.
Everything's shifting.
Yeah.
Why do you guys think that is?
Trump.
The boy.
Oh, wait, wait, Y'all are blaming your own shifting mindset on Trump.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I think it was a lie because it was like, oh, like.
Get on the mic.
You know, we have more of these, but it's really fun that they are all social.
It's like we were told that you could like girl boss and not have to like, you know, be the madman wife at home.
But all of a sudden now we have to do both.
No one's planning your dinner reservations or taking care of you.
So this is interesting.
Also, girls don't date down.
Well, I want to get to that in a second.
But this is interesting about the girl boss idea.
So maybe there's a little part of them they're going, okay, if I go to work, I make that money.
Yeah, you don't have to be with the loser.
Yeah.
Well, no, you don't have to be with the loser for sure.
But then you assume that the guy would also pick up some of the slack.
Oh, yeah.
Right.
And then you found out that we won't.
Right.
And now you're like, why am I working?
Yeah, like I'll do all the thoughtful shit.
I don't need, you know.
But you're not going to work as well.
Yeah, I don't want to work as well.
Give me home or give me office.
I don't want to do both.
And I think now people are having to do both.
Didn't you decide this like a million years ago or something like that?
Whole circle.
Yeah.
To that point.
They all biologically, we haven't changed.
But to that point, would you rather work?
You got a guy maybe makes maybe less, maybe a lot less money than you, but does all the thoughtful shit, or you do the thoughtful shit and they work.
Which would you rather?
They do the thoughtful shit and they work.
I mean, I do.
No, that's the truth.
That is the truth.
That's the real truth.
It depends how good their job is, honestly.
Like, I think if they're like really high up, then like, great, I'll do the thoughtful shit.
But yeah, I think most people probably want to like be in love and have someone do the thoughtful stuff.
Yeah.
Women, so if the guy has like a really important job where it's very time consuming, you'll do all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, I'll do all the home stuff.
If you're just going to let you know right now, everything's paid for.
You're saying that?
I would.
Until you guys get comfortable and then that shit goes out.
I'll tell you right now, I don't want that.
No, we know.
We know that.
Why don't we even call Tanya?
Tanya, you should be smart.
No, I think that everybody, you start to get comfortable.
Yeah, but the money comes with control also, which is a part that I don't like.
Yeah, that is that.
If they have control, if you're in a league.
You're paying for everything, paying for the house.
We're married.
There's no prenup.
Until you start cheating and then there's a divorce and then the woman's stuck with nothing.
And that's when they have to rely.
Well, let's say you signed a prenup.
I didn't have a prenup.
Not you specifically.
I'm talking about the world.
You're saying what I should have done.
You should have.
And then, because, I mean, this was my biggest resentment in Montreal, Girls My Generation.
Tanya gave it all.
This is therapy.
This is therapy.
It's like our mothers all went through the same thing.
They didn't work.
The second they started a family.
They didn't work.
The husband's made all the money.
The husbands are going off on business trips.
They're fucking around.
They're cheating.
Women want to divorce.
And then the women are stuck with nothing.
And they still, even after divorced, have to rely on the husband to provide whatever they choose as like alimony, right?
And to be fair, I've heard this saying that makes a lot of sense.
The courts are not in the collections business.
So even if they award you half, the husband could just not pay for how many money.
Which I think is fair to bring up.
There's no like the court's not going to come after you.
Not really.
Is that true?
No, no.
No.
They do a little bit.
If you have a child, and that's why you want to have a kid.
Okay.
But there's a difference between Moshe and Moshe.
Apparently.
She's Jewish.
Hold on.
So if you trap them, if you baby trap him, gotta go.
You've gotta let a good job.
You've gotta let women talk.
Stop silencing them.
Is I'm the only one of color on this side?
Yes.
I'm this side.
Okay, go.
Well, Tanya's something.
Well, like, Tanya's from Africa.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's part of it.
Like kids who have divorced parents, like my best friend, her mom got alimony and got child support.
The courts will go after the dad if they don't pay.
If you have a child and they'll take away your passport so you can't travel.
What do you guys think of alimony as a concept?
Fantastic.
That shit is a criminal insult.
I love it.
I don't mind you getting.
I do.
Wait, listen to this.
Are you getting half?
Half?
Sure.
But alimony?
It depends who falls for divorce.
Isn't that what alimony essentially is?
No.
Half is what we got now.
One at a time, one at a time.
You take half of what we got now in a divorce, especially if we got kids.
Yeah, absolutely.
Child support, even if we got kids.
Okay.
Alimony.
You need to do that.
That's your fault.
What happened?
No, but hold on.
Andrew, wait, this is a good question for Andrew.
Yeah.
Okay, so you're successful.
It's a dangerous question for Andrew.
You're successful.
When you met Emma, you made X amount.
Yep.
Right.
And now you're significantly more successful than then.
Yeah.
And you have a baby and you prefer that she stays at home with the baby because that's how you want your life.
That's an assumption.
No, that's what I'm saying.
Assuming that that's what happened.
That's not true.
It's not true.
Because a lot of fathers actually prefer that the mother raises the kid.
So it was very, I was very specific about this.
Like with like Emma, you know, she got her MBA.
She was, you know, doing AI projects for Apple.
Like she, she was killing it.
And this was her choice.
So I said, you have to want to do this.
Okay.
Like, this is, it's not going to be my decision because if you don't like it, I don't want you to ever resent me.
So this has to be your decision.
If anytime you want to go back to work, obviously, like I grew up in a family where both parents work.
Now, was I supportive of it?
A thousand percent.
Like the person I trust more than anything in the world is going to be the one looking after my daughter.
Like, yeah, that's the ideal scenario of the world, but I'm not going to like restrict her 100%.
Right.
But hypothetically, there are guys that go, you can't work.
I need to get the baby.
Sometimes it's, they prefer it for the, for family purposes.
Sometimes if you like actually do the math, it almost becomes more expensive to hire nannies and everything than the mother's salary.
Yeah.
At that moment in time.
So she quits her job.
She stays at home.
And then let's say when she does, if she decides to go back to work eventually after you've had three kids, whatever, she's now 10 years behind in her career versus where she would have been.
So then that's where the growth of when you got married versus where you are now comes into play, which is not fair to just get, let's say, half of like when you started.
So this is the way I look at these things.
I think it's like a great, like more nuanced point.
I think that there's a certain number where we don't need to worry about alimony.
So let's say, for example, like you have $20 million between the two of you.
You guys get divorced.
10 and 10.
You'll figure it the fuck out.
Yeah, yeah.
You don't need alimony.
100%.
But that's not how the law looks at it.
The law looks at it.
You've split 50-50 and you have to maintain her lifestyle.
Whatever her lifestyle was with you, you have to maintain it.
That's what she's doing.
It's not her fault.
It's not her fault.
It's the law's fault, right?
And these laws are kind of antiquated because they're built around a time where women weren't, you know, girl bosses.
They weren't making all this money and they wanted to protect women because they literally couldn't get a job to support a family.
Also, most people don't have 20 mil when they get divorced.
Exactly.
So I'm just saying there needs to be like a little bit more nuance with it.
But usually the way the judge looks at it, I'm pretty sure, is to maintain the same, to maintain the same lifestyle as when you were married.
So it's like if you were buying your wife a Chanel every year.
You should have stayed married.
You shouldn't have bought her Chanel every year in the first place.
No, no, no.
But this lifestyle with us being married.
Like, for example, I got to maintain your lifestyle with us being married, but you don't got to come and cook me dinner every night.
That's mild.
That's the Chris Rott joke.
Pussy payments.
No, but I don't want pussy.
I want dinner.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, I want the clothes washed and folded.
Like, if I have to pay you to maintain your lifestyle, you should still do things that maintain my lifestyle.
Yeah, you made a choice or we made a choice when we got divorced.
This lifestyle is fundamentally different because of just one of you.
And I think if women understood where some of this like red pill movement is rooted in this, like this idea is crazy.
Let's say Andrew's 20 million.
And most guys who are complaining about this won't make that kind of money.
But 20 million, whatever job losses you have, valid they may be, is more than offset by the 10 million you just got.
You can't make that work guess.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, I think that's essentially the point.
But I agree with you that in circumstances where people are both, you know, like one person is a teacher, for example, and the other person is staying home with the kids.
Like, obviously, you can't let that person go back to this career that they haven't done 10 years.
They have no way of making money.
And now the kids are going to also suffer.
So I get that point as well.
There just needs to be a little bit more nuance.
And I think they just put like, what is it?
The fucking Bill of Rights down.
Precedent was set and now we can't break from precedent.
All of this nuance, wouldn't it be easier?
Like, isn't there some motivation for like Andrew in that clip or everyone in the comments, like men trying to like process this effort thing?
Like, wouldn't it be easier to just learn how to send a playlist or make a reservation?
You can avoid all of this.
It's so easy.
They're begging.
I'm going to be honest with you.
And I spoke about this, I think, on the pod, right?
There was like, it was like my wife's birthday.
No, no, no, it was Christmas or something like that.
One thing I got for Christmas were these like crocs that had these like little gibbets in them that like pertain to her life and like our daughter and everything like that.
And she cared about that way more than anything expensive that I got her.
And despite that clip coming out six years ago, it hit me.
I was like, oh, maybe I should like look into what she's, you know, likes or whatever and like get things around that.
And now, now, no, that makes sense.
But I think, Akash, you pointed this out.
It's easier.
It's less work.
It's like we're being lazy when we buy the expensive gift.
Yeah.
But you're basically paying for their lack of thoughtfulness.
Yeah.
And but even this time around, same thing happened.
I agree with you.
The effort is there.
My concern is, and I think like when a girl really does love somebody, you know, hopefully my wife really loves me, it makes that much more of a difference.
But I do feel like there are some relationships which girls are in where they're like, they don't really like the guy.
They just don't want to be alone.
And these thoughtful things that the guys are doing are just like, how do I say?
They just like extend the unhappiness a little bit longer.
She's like break up with that guy.
It's not, you don't have an ick.
You don't have a red flag.
Paying for Lack of Thoughtfulness00:03:41
You don't like him.
I totally agree.
I think that's where you get to the point where she, she's been resenting this lack of effort thing.
She's been begging for the effort.
It's not clicking.
And then even if he does do it, it's like, okay.
Then she gets to a point where every word that comes out of her mouth is nagging.
It's going to be just like miserable for both of you.
And it's like, oh, yeah, just break everyone.
But that feeling of fear of being alone is like why you don't want to.
One second.
This is the thing that's interesting.
We're so used to the nagging.
We think that's what you guys are.
That's the problem.
But think about that.
No, I'm not saying we're talking about our lives.
Definitely not.
No, but in past generations.
Past relationships.
But like you look at every TV show.
No, no.
You look at every TV show, right?
And it's like Al Bundy and his nagging wife.
It's like the nagging wife in every single one, right?
But what you're saying is that this is like a downriver problem from picking this guy because you don't want to be alone.
I'm just putting the blame on you, which is unfair.
But you understand what I'm trying to say.
Yeah.
In my experience, when a girl really likes a guy, nothing bothers her about that guy at all.
We're in 100% agreement.
It's not that like women nag or that like, oh, I'm being a bitch.
It's just like, oh, you two shouldn't be together.
Yeah, they're celebrating low standards across the board.
Yeah.
That like, oh, she nags, duh, and she's like, oh, yeah, well, he doesn't put in any effort.
Duh.
And they're both just accepting mediocrity.
Take a year to be alone.
Someone better might pop up.
Someone might not.
It's fine.
You're fine.
That shit is going to happen, though.
My wife's still going to nag.
I'm going to still be thoughtless sometimes.
You know what I mean?
The expect there's.
But you love each other and that's fine.
Yeah, yeah.
But you know what is annoying when you're, when you put some thought in and they still nag, yeah yeah yeah yeah, that shit makes you.
There needs to be a one week shut the fuck up.
Yeah, you said one week, shut the fuck up.
Does that apply to players?
And this is what here's what I'm gonna get in trouble for saying.
There is a rate of inflation on TikTok's ready, get a ticket.
There is a rate of inflation on thoughtfulness, the amount of effort that is thoughtful.
You get used to it, as anybody would get used to anything, but that amount of effort increases.
So sometimes it's like all right well, let me just pay the money because that will now thoughtful went from here to here.
I disagree.
I don't think nobody's been thoughtful for you.
Damn, it's just fun working here.
I totally disagree.
My gosh go.
Can you tell us your feelings?
With respect, we have an hour department.
Where's dove?
Where is Dove?
I think like yeah, you can, you can scale it up, you can do something more thoughtful, you can plan something more thoughtful.
But it doesn't always go up like sneak in a sticky note on her desk that says, have a great day, like just little things, that actually it ebbs and flows.
Don't just keep that idea.
Yeah, go on.
Yes, you need to learn my handwriting.
That's what we need to do.
No, a fire one, go sit down, put sticky notes all over the apartment yeah, and then she'll find two one day, and then she'll find three more the next day and she'll.
She thinks you're putting them down there all week.
Yeah, but really just did it one time.
And then a week later she's like, why are you leaving so much garbage?
I don't want to talk about that.
Can you clean up a little bit?
Okay dove, Dove.
I don't know if you've been listening to this conversation.
Have you been listening from the outside a little bit?
We have a special coming out too, so it's a lot of that.
You do bring this up.
You really want me to notice the effort.
You do want me to notice the effort and I just want to see the results.
I want mom and dad fight about the effort.
Effort Linked to Intimacy00:14:54
They all gone okay okay, but uh, I don't know why.
Why did we want dub in here?
Oh no uh yeah, I caught you.
Yeah yeah, yeah.
When I said yuck and you didn't budge, I knew we were good.
I knew we had that.
We're good.
Yeah, we're good.
So we're trying to get to the bottom of this stuff.
We're trying to figure out love.
We're trying to make make sure that we enter these great, healthy relationships where both sides respect one another.
Are you a thoughtful person when it comes to the women that you date?
Of course you're smiling as we come to that always.
You know how thoughtful Dove is when it comes to dates.
Oh no Dove, Dove would go on dates with girls because he is truly trying to find love.
He's I give him this a thousand percent, he's truly trying to find love.
Um, and I, I do is fighting two things, he's fighting thoughtfulness and he's also fighting uh, ethnicity.
And I remember, like a week or two into living in New York he, he would say he would go, he'd go.
Do you know how much taking a girl out on a date is?
He goes.
I'm spending 300, 350 a pop on dinner.
These girls are drinking like fish.
Like, what is wrong with this city?
Do you remember this experience there?
That number was high.
Shit.
I tell them what I told you last week.
Damn.
Oh my God.
Hold on, hold on, Cal.
What is this?
Some of my guy friends work in finance, and there was a joke because there's a roster and there's a lot of girls.
And it's a cost per nut ratio.
So if you were taking girls out on dates, like one through three, sometimes you're getting up there.
Like it's almost like $700.
So if the cost per nut ends up higher than $800, they would ghost them.
Really?
But that's because they don't really like them.
They just want to have sex with them.
Okay.
So here's another tricky thing.
And then I remember I was in Rogan once in this clip that Joe and I were talking about end up going like pretty viral.
And there was this idea that a million guys have talked about.
There's nothing novel about it, but this post-nut clarity.
Do you guys remember that thing?
Okay.
And it's this unfortunate situation that you guys are in where it's like the guy doesn't really know if he likes you until after you guys have slept together.
And it's yeah.
Tanya is a guy.
I know.
I know.
She really is a guy.
That's my nigga, right?
That's a dead ass.
Don't you say it, Tanya.
She can be walking around.
Okay.
So are women aware of that or not?
Women are aware of that.
Okay.
And I think that's.
What is the conversation amongst yourselves about that?
It's unfortunate that women actually, like once they sleep with you, like will then become more attached.
And the timelines are completely opposite.
Like once you have sex, the man is like, okay, yeah, like, okay, maybe that was fine.
Maybe I don't like her that much.
Meanwhile, once she has sex with you, she has all these hormones where she's saying, oh my God, I love him.
Oh, my God.
I need to be near him.
Even though they're illogical, you're like fighting this like avalanche inside your body being like, I need to spend time with you.
And presex is different, where the man is more invested in your kind of lives.
The timelines are completely opposite.
Menus love to get sex.
Women use sex to get love.
Oh, no.
The other one.
Yeah.
No, I think women use sex to get love.
You got it right.
You got it.
So menus love to get sex.
And this is the, what is that?
The Playboy method or something like that, where you're really nice to them in the beginning.
The love bombing or something like that.
I honestly don't think that you can look at that and say, like, oh, it's purposeful love bombing or like purpose.
I think it's quite genuine.
I think it's genuine.
I think they genuinely believe, oh my gosh, I'm going to get to know her.
I'm going to have sex with her.
But then somehow, like chemically, once it happens, it's like, all right.
And now we look like a fuckboy.
Yes.
When in reality, we never really liked that person as much as we truly thought we did.
Exactly.
And then the women look like a psycho, but they're just kind of like, what's happening in my brain?
And our ego gets hit like crazy because we're like, yeah, she didn't really like me that much until I gave her that.
I think she's good at sex.
I didn't understand the guy who was a virgin.
Yes.
When we're not, it's just this, oh, how advantageous for us.
A chemical gets released in your head after sex where you love us that much more, no matter how bad the sex is.
Oxytocin.
Yeah.
Billie Eilish has a song about it.
Really?
Yeah.
Even if it's bad sex.
I don't think that's true.
I don't think it's bad sex.
Hold on.
So is there, is there.
My brother listens to this podcast.
Sorry.
Sorry, Gail's brother.
We love you.
So it is possible that sex can be so bad that you're like, I don't really want to, the oxytocin doesn't get released.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I also think it's like not all women, not all men.
Like, it's just that is a thing that can happen.
Can happen in generalization.
Yeah, in generalizations.
But yeah, sometimes that can happen.
And that's where the Taylor Swift, Lana Del Rey, like getting fixated on, like, oh, like, I love him.
This, like, I don't know, depression.
Let's tie in the effort to the sex.
What if when you have sex, there's no effort, and it's all about him.
Define effort.
Because I feel like for us, just not coming fast is the most effort we can make.
Like, you can tell if there's like how much more effort put in my dead grandma for three minutes.
Three minutes.
Three minutes.
No, no, no.
I don't have no effort in Sam.
Come on.
She just died.
We just got all this.
Come on, bro.
Like, is she like, what's the foreplay like?
Is he going down on you?
Is he familiar with you?
You're thinking about all these things.
Like, after that.
If you're on a date with a guy, you expect a guy to go down you the first night like there's no way.
We go out partying.
We're dancing.
You're wearing like tights.
Use your fingers.
Yeah.
For what?
You.
I use my fingers.
You didn't see at dinner at the end when I went in here and fingered your wallet.
No, no, no.
Okay.
Yeah.
So, so an attention to satisfying you, not just being satisfied.
Because once you guys come game over.
Yo, facts, though.
Yeah, facts.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We have to come first.
And that's effort.
Yes.
And then I'll get that thing that you just talked about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What is that?
What is that?
The thing in the brain that oxygen is.
You don't think I'll be having a disease, bitches.
She's in denial versus going with the autistic biology of it.
I'll see that.
If the sex is bad, you're immediately written off.
Goodbye.
I was assuming that was the case.
Let me draw out an outlier.
Okay.
This is a tricky one, but I have seen.
Okay.
I have a friend who hooked up with this girl.
He was like, dude, I fucking couldn't get it up.
That girl became obsessed with him.
Really?
Daddy issues.
My dad could never get it up.
Reminds me a lot of him, to be honest.
No, no.
Is there a part of that where it's like the like they dated?
Like they dated for years.
What?
And now I, this is what I chalked it up to.
I chalked it up to her going, that made me feel really rejected.
And I'm wondering from the female perspective, is there a part of it where it's like, I've never had a guy not get it up with me?
I feel rejected.
I feel ugly.
I'm going to win him over.
I'm going to prove to him that I can get him hard or whatever so that I like myself.
Maybe like a very young person might think that, but that seems pretty like immature.
Like there, there really is no correlation between how you look or your behavior to that.
Right.
Side.
Would you still write that guy off if you're saying there's no correlation between whatever?
100% closing the mic like a fucking senator, dude.
It depends.
It depends.
Is this like a kind of guy?
Like, it's like you've been dating, everything was perfect.
Yeah, you guys are getting along.
It's great.
You guys are getting along.
Then one night you went out drinking till five o'clock in the morning.
Maybe did some other substitutes.
And then you have a whiskey dick.
That's forgivable.
So, and what happens in those moments?
Do like, does it like, yeah, Miles?
I'm going to ask you something.
But like, do you just like bang it against it?
Like, I just sponsor about a muck barn for a whole year of your life.
No, but like when you actually try to have the sex, is it like a have you ever seen like a baby elephant doesn't know that it can use it to get the water out of the watering hole and they just kind of like slap it against the pond?
Is that kind of what happened?
How do I laugh this off?
Tell me.
Do you go to the bathroom and then try to get it up?
Or like, am I winning yet?
Or like, I had a buddy that would say this, and this is, this was pure game, 100%, right?
He would go when he was talking to girls, he'd be like, Yeah, girls never made me come from head.
I just don't know what it is.
Oh my God, the amount of times people do that.
That is like the oldest trick in the book.
That is the oldest trick in the music in the book.
Oh, I'm going down there for 45 million a buck.
Bitches need the fucking dumb.
Do you want to believe that one?
Yeah.
Oh my God.
This is awesome.
Okay, so guys try that shit.
They go like, oh, I could never who and you listening to women could be fun.
We've been fucking up for 10 years.
Okay.
So, okay, so that's not a trick that guys should use.
Like, girls know about that trick already?
Yeah.
Yes.
Okay.
If a girl ever said to us, or you're super gay.
Yes.
Okay.
But if a girl ever said to us, like, no guy's been able to, you know, make me come from going down on me.
I'd be like, you should try something else.
Say me some more.
Thank God.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Okay.
So that doesn't work.
All right.
This is good.
It's good to know.
Is there anything a guy that you really like can do that you're like immediately, no, I'm done?
Actual ick.
Yeah, like not like a, oh, he rubs his hair or, oh, he like puts his shoulders up in the rain.
Funny they may be.
Yeah, I don't think they're allowed.
Sending food back at a restaurant.
Really?
Wow.
But they actually fucked it up.
Being rude to wait staff.
Oh, I'm with that.
I see that.
Okay.
I see that.
Tanya.
Supporting pets.
I was really going to say that.
You Jews.
Oh, my God, dude.
I also feel like this is New York contingent.
Like, I feel like dating in New York, guys in New York just kind of suck.
Like, I hear my friends tell me stories about dating guys in New York.
It's just like, no guy ever wants to settle down.
You're female friends.
Yeah, yeah.
And like, no guy wants to.
Dating in Milwaukee is going to be better.
I kind of do.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
This is my feeling: is that like the more like small town, like Christian vibes, more guys are like, yeah, I'll get married.
And you have less options out there.
Are those towns only Christian?
Where are we supposed to go?
Utah.
So like Tel Aviv.
Okay, so you're saying because the culture reinforces getting married and meeting someone that you want to be with.
Yeah.
Also, potentially the culture.
I remember you saying that.
I don't know if it still applies, but when we first started hanging out, you were like, girls moved to LA to get famous.
They moved to New York to live sex in the city lives.
So to a guy, it's like, well, these girls are just trying to fuck anyway.
So I'll find somebody else around the corner.
Whereas in a place where it's like, now these girls are trying to settle down, you might have to be more on your P's and Qs.
So talking about it.
It's just like analysis paralysis here.
It's like talking to some of my guy friends here.
They feel like dating is tricky because the girls are handling five or six guys and one guy could be better.
And what are my options?
Same vice versa.
But I haven't heard you guys talk about that at all.
Do you feel that way?
Yeah.
So you're like, I don't really know if I like this guy.
And now if you have five guys that you don't really know if you like, you're probably looking at these like icks or red flags way more than if you had one guy in your hometown that you were really into.
Yeah, it has me using things to rule people out that like seem kind of cruel.
I said this to your friend.
I was like, oh, yeah, well, like he's sober in AA, so like he's done.
And she was like, well, those people deserve love.
I was like, dude, not for anything he's got from me.
He's trying to better his life.
You turn everything around.
It's just, that doesn't feel like that's scary, dude, because one drink and then he's off the way, and now you're in it.
Like, you know what?
I don't need that.
There's four other dudes who want my time.
They don't do that.
Which one is it, actually?
It's all of the above.
Okay.
But it's like you're looking for things to rule them out because, yeah, there's like seven other dudes on that, the silly little apps that want to take you in the next spot.
So that is the problem with the apps is there's constantly a new person.
And when you think like that, what is it?
The grass is always greener.
And the first time you meet somebody, you look at all the opportunity that presents itself, right?
It's like there's like hope in it.
Like he could be perfect.
Look at all these.
You also have way too much information.
You have their, like, everything they believe in and their sense of humor and all these pictures and their religion.
And like, it's like, how much are you Googling people when you meet?
Just an Instagram.
Just like look at their Instagram.
Just to see if you have visuals.
So wait, you're looking at LinkedIn.
That is true.
That's my question.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Tanya's son.
Tony said Uriah.
No, no, Denmark.
So Tony.
Look at our LinkedIn.
It's so funny, dude.
I mean, what's what you were saying earlier?
I'm 34 years old.
I'm not dating a bartender.
God damn.
God damn.
I'm checking their LinkedIn.
You know what's so funny?
This is, Dove is such a girl because the first thing he says when he meets a new girl, he's like, she's actually an engineer and she works for whatever.
And I'm like, nobody asks what her fucking occupation is.
Show us the video that doesn't have a filter so we can get like an accurate assessment.
Yeah, it's all visual.
I knew a guy's girl was really hot when I said, see a picture and he just handed me the phone and he didn't handle it to self-picture.
Yeah.
That's low.
Okay, what do what do you guys feel about like how you look on Instagram versus reality?
Like, do you, do you feel when you go to a date?
Like, everybody looks better on Instagram for sure.
But now with all these filters and shit, is there ever a moment like where you've only talked to this person online?
He's only seen what you guys present online.
And then in person, you're like, oh, is he going to think that I'm as attractive?
Like, is there any of that insecurity that comes out?
There wasn't any until one time a guy showed up 100 pounds heavier.
Oh, no, I'm talking about on you guys.
Oh.
So guys are catfishing too?
Height Differences on Profiles00:02:52
Wait, I ran for the help.
No.
I fucking laugh.
Okay.
I think I do hear from my guy friends of like, oh, she misrepresented herself.
And I'm like, okay, that's a nice way to say that she wasn't as hot as the pictures.
Yeah.
I think everyone's using four-year-old pictures, but I also think for us looking at a guy's profile, if I'm going to show my friends, like they're all like the first thing is like, oh, well, they look better in person.
Like men are given more permission to look shitty on Instagram because it's like, oh, like they don't take pics.
What about this?
A lot of guys, some of whom are on this podcast, will lie about their height.
How does that make you feel?
That does not make me feel good as a 5'9 lady.
Like I don't want you to come and be embarrassed.
You know, I don't want to meet you at the restaurant and you'd be like, oh, I shouldn't have lied.
Do you pay for dinner if you're taller?
I walk away if I'm taller.
Wait, so the height is a huge thing.
Like you cannot date a guy, I think, right?
It's just honesty, but also like, yeah, maybe I could date a guy that's shorter, but it's like, if I'm looking for reasons to rule them out, that's a big one because I don't want them to resent me for being taller than them.
Like I don't want them to have any male ego about how they are.
You think a guy who's shorter would have a male ego about being with a taller girl?
You wouldn't see him as like a badge of honor.
He'd be like, oh my God, look at this.
Well, that's why girls call them short kings.
The ones who are not insecure about it.
Yeah.
Got it.
But like, if they're shorter than you and then they misrepresent themselves.
If they're shorter than you and then they misrepresent themselves, why would you want to continue to date them?
That's how we feel if you're not as attractive.
But for you, it's height specifically.
Not just it's like height, high and weight.
Fair.
Like, so we're all just lying to you.
It's just shallow, especially in New York.
But I think the apps have like really increased the levels of shallow because that's the only thing that we can judge on.
Whereas back in the day, you'd meet someone at a bar and you knew kind of how tall they were immediately.
You knew what they looked like pretty much.
Yeah, you just hoped you weren't drunk enough.
Like how drunk you were.
What if a guy has a picture with like three of his boys and he's the least attractive one in the group?
Oh my god.
Bad.
Always bad.
Yeah, yeah.
What are you doing?
What an idiot.
Wait, why is that bad?
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
So then you're going to the date and you're hoping.
Because, okay, with all these pictures, I'm looking at all these different profiles.
I'm not quite grasping which one you are.
I'm just hoping it's the guy on the left.
I'm hoping.
I'm hoping you don't know.
There's no way you'll go on a date and you don't even know which one of the three guys that's.
Oh, yeah.
Maybe there's two of those.
We have.
It always usually has one picture with a group and the rest are like solo so you can figure out which one it is.
Are you asking, are we going to date the ugliest guy in their group or you're not sure who the guy is?
Yeah, would that be an issue if he was the ugliest in the group?
But what if he was not at all?
I don't know.
It's not an issue, but you're doing yourself a disservice posting.
Something on your profile where your boy looks hotter.
Chivalry as a New Norm00:15:38
What does it matter?
We don't care about that.
No, you're out here to get ladies.
This is the place to get ladies.
You're supposed to what?
Not have hot.
There is a girl.
I'm like for the funny, ugly one.
There was a girl.
There's a lot of women that feel that way.
Thank God.
Tell me about the a lot of DMs.
Yeah.
Your profile.
I am so ugly.
Girl.
There's a girl in my sorority who lost a ton of weight and she kept her profile photos of her 20 pounds heavier so that they would be like, oh my god, she's so hot when they met her in person.
How many smart people met her in person?
A good amount, bro.
Really?
Hey, catfish.
No, I think that's a bad idea because you want to get as many like you want to get the best you can get.
Now that you worked hard for this body, go get what you want.
Yeah, but then there's also something to that.
Like if your mentality is get the best and you know you're getting DMs or you're connecting with all these people on these apps, your brain is always going to be looking for a little bit better thing instead of looking for the thing that you want.
And that's going to make you mental illness.
What's happening is not a good thing.
That's important to say.
Yes.
I'm just describing what's happening.
Yes.
Yeah.
This is not a way to like meet your soulmate.
Right.
So maybe girls should get off the apps.
Yeah.
Seems like it's just making life harder for you.
Maybe, but I still want to drive home the point of like the effort thing is not that hard.
But what if it's hard for us?
Like, what if it just wasn't?
I think that that's kind of like the, I'm like, why is this so why?
Why don't you feel like an intrinsic motivation to like surprise and delight the person that you're with?
It does feel really good.
It does feel really good to do.
I will be honest.
It feels really good.
And then when you make them happy, there is like a feeling of euphoria that comes from it.
But I will say it is, it's not like the most natural instinct that we have.
The more natural instinct is like, how do I provide?
How do I make sure that we're safe?
If somebody disrespects them, how do I make sure that like they don't know that I'm afraid to fight them?
Yeah, you gotta move to Red State.
No, in all honesty, though, I agree with what Andrew is saying.
Like when I'm like, when I was like dating, I thought about like the primary values first, not like the stupid other shit.
You know what I mean?
Like, what are your primary values?
Well, yeah.
The trick is to be Jewish.
Yeah, that whittles it down.
That's a cheat code.
It was.
It was like respect, generosity, like that need to care for me and have a future and not fuck around, like all that other stuff was more important than like, I don't give a fuck about flowers.
I kill them in a day anyway.
Like, yeah, I guess that'll be given to me.
Like, if you're in a relationship with that, but to me, that is a lot of the effort is like those like primary things first.
And then everything else is kind of like icing on the cake.
Like, if he doesn't send me a playlist or Send me flowers, but like on a day-to-day basis, there's like respect, and also like little things I feel like effort.
Like, for example, exactly, when it's cold outside, he like walks Frankie because, like, I don't exactly talk about, but that's effort.
But that also comes down to like, oh, he's gonna, he takes care of me, which is like the primary value filling up your water.
That's a big one.
Which one?
Filling up the girl's water.
That's like water.
So you go to the kitchen, fill up both.
Fill up the water.
Little stuff like that.
Men fill it the water.
That's what I totally agree.
But like, that's not the same as like making reservations and sending flowers and like surprising me with all these other things.
No, it's kind of interesting.
I think walking your dog is like on that level.
But we've divided neither.
So you're like, no, hold on.
It doesn't require planning.
That's the difference.
No, no, we've devised this system where we did things that showcased effort.
And I think we started to call it chivalry.
And then it just became expected.
And now it's no longer seen as effort because it is the expectation of our gender.
And so now we're going outside of our gender expectation, i.e., writing a card, which is not natural to us, right?
Fighting some guy in a bar is an extraordinary fucking effort, right?
That we have to do that's expected of us.
But we don't, I don't know if we get the same credit for doing it because if you don't do it, you're a bitch.
How could you not support your girl?
Whatever.
I got to pretend I'm willing to fight, even though we both know I'm not.
It's a lie we both maintain.
But no, on some serious shit, I wonder if we've done a bad job of that.
Like we should have never coined it as chivalry.
We should have never even spoken about it and just done it.
And then when it happened to you guys, you'd be like, oh, that was so nice and thoughtful of them.
But now all the things that are kind of like a little bit more natural, the things that we do, opening a door, obviously paying for dinner and doing these types of things are the expectation.
But the problem is that we got to do girly shit so y'all know that we like you.
Your where Gen Z is buying a card is not in our wheelhouse at all.
Daniel.
Okay, where Gen Z chivalry in Gen Z is dead.
They don't know how to open doors.
Is that you think that's more than New York thing?
Because I grew up in the South.
That's an expectation.
Hold doors open.
It's different in New York.
I think what Andrew is saying about the like being willing to fight someone in a bar.
It's a stupid example, but no, no, it's a fine point, but it's so rare.
Yeah, that's true.
Like, like that could happen once every two years.
A fight isn't a real thing, but it's more about like somebody being rude to you.
Do you want your bad to protect you?
Yeah, it's just that's just so rare.
So the sticky note gets you to the like some guy gawking you on the street and then making him feel uncomfortable for doing that.
It's not actually a fight, but it's this little example of, hey, I'm going to protect you on the subway.
And you're like, I don't like that.
That's awesome.
Like, keep doing that.
I, I, yeah, that's awesome.
But in his, he's count as expected.
And you guys, maybe, I don't know, but maybe you don't see it as the same effort as like getting you a card.
But in our minds, we're like, hey, this is me showing that you're really important to me.
And there's this weird homeless guy we're walking down the street.
I'm going to move you to this side just in case anything happens.
And I wonder if you clock it the same way, like, oh, that was really thoughtful that he did that.
I think that that's not a like a given.
I don't think all the guys out there are doing that.
No one has moved me around from a creepy guy.
Shitty generation.
That's literally only 59 though.
Yeah, he might have to shield me.
I only date guys who are significantly older than me because men in our generation are the worst.
This is interesting.
Speak on this.
Yes, so you said that your generation is known for dating much older men.
Sorry, how?
Can we ask how old you are?
Okay, I'm 22.
Like my last boyfriend was 31.
So, okay.
Like an old guy, 31.
That's my wife and dad.
We both started dating.
It's funny.
But you also said that as well.
So, and is that a thing that like your generation is known for?
Do people talk about this or is this kind of like an unsaid statistic?
I feel like a lot of my friends do.
Like, I feel like it's like the norm.
I, I don't want to say that it's like, oh, like Gen Z, because it's like the biggest cliche in the book that like dudes in their 30s want to date 22 year olds.
Like that is how life kind of works.
But I think it's happening for Gen Z because these guys, because no one is, oh, sorry, because no one's like moving me away from the creepy guy or like doing those things.
Maybe a 35 year old might know to do that.
But neither like walking on the outside of the sidewalk.
Yeah.
Like when you're walking down the street, like they'll go on the app.
Like that is just something that should naturally happen.
Like if you date someone who's like 23, just moved to New York, is like, oh my God, like this is the best.
You're like playing tour guide and it's like miserable.
And their only socialization is fucking video games.
Like their, their brains are like raw.
Undeveloped.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But do you think this is a problem of also how your generation kind of brought that on themselves with the whole like equality thing?
It's like you want everything to be equal.
And they're like, okay, well shit, yeah.
If this was an audio only podcast, like revealing the video of her and it's just one of us in a wig.
We don't have videos like you guys know, but it's like, that is a thing that happened.
I need you.
That happened with the whole society being like, oh, men and women are exactly equal.
Everything is the exact same.
And you guys made it seem like it looks down.
They're looking down upon you if they treat you a certain way.
So then they just naturally start stopped doing something.
So I think there was real quick, real quick.
Sorry.
No, no, no, generational thing.
But like, but, but I think there is a little bit of that.
Like I've spoken to younger guys about this and there was a little bit of a concern about doing some more chivalrous acts and it coming across as like almost condescending.
Exactly.
It comes off condescending.
And so I think there was a hesitation because they're like, oh, I don't want them to think that like they're this helpless little girl that can't do anything.
So they pulled back from maybe some of these efforts.
Well, we would call them chivalry, but like some of the effort the men did that actually did make you feel good.
And now I don't want to say you're craving it, but it is comforting when you're dating the older guys and they do do it.
Maybe.
I have like really, well, I grew up here.
So I have like really woke friends and like normal people friends.
And no, I'm so serious.
Like I have friends who like, if the guy pays on the first date, like she's going to insist.
Like she's going to shove it down there.
Like, I'm going to split.
Like, no, we should split.
I'm never going to do that because like Chinese.
It's not in my culture.
I had a guy one time.
He was like, you know, I think when you're in a relationship, you split every single thing down the middle, even like a cup of coffee.
And I looked at him and I go, that's not in my culture, unfortunately.
We drink tea.
Okay.
So is that possible though?
Is it your generation, the guys are actually trying to do a thing that they think you want, which is to treat you as equals and to get rid of these like gender restrictions, but some of them actually make you feel good.
Now you're dating these older guys just so you can get that nice comforting feeling of effort and love.
I'm going to voice something that I do not think is a good thing, but I think is true, is that there, you get more permission to do those chivalrous things that maybe might come off as like creepy or too forward or like infantilizing you.
You get more permission to do that the hotter you are.
What?
That's okay.
I do feel that way.
Like if a gross guy hits on you in the grocery store, it's like, get away from me or like, or, you know, does a protective action.
It's like, oh, I didn't fucking need that.
But if it's like a 6'5, you know, could be the one, you're like, yeah, I do need help.
It feeds into like the fairy tales and all that stuff.
Yeah, 100%.
So I think, yeah, I don't know what the advice there is, but I do observe that happening.
I think the advice is there are no rules when you're hot.
Yeah, that goes for women too.
Absolutely.
Yeah, remember that thing?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So here's a question about the chivalry thing that it became kind of the expectation.
It feels like with men, the expectation back in the day was, and this is where it was maybe smart on women's part.
Expectation was you cook, you clean, whatever.
And now when a woman does those things, that's really thoughtful.
And we ain't asking from that's great.
Y'all get the chivalry and you're asking for thoughtfulness.
Whereas on the other end, if you're doing the things that were expected back then, you are like, that's thoughtful.
So can you understand maybe our psychology of like, well, we're being chivalrous.
Isn't that thoughtful?
What is this extra shit?
That's an interesting point.
Like, maybe we digested it the same way.
When a woman would cook, clean, and do all those things back in the day.
The guy was like, well, yeah, I'm working.
Like, what the hell are you going to do all day?
You better do it.
And you're like, hey, no, I'm making this house beautiful for you.
And I made this meal beautiful.
And I went to the market and I got all these, you know, fresh fruits.
You get a delicious meal.
And you're not even caring about it.
And now it's almost reversed.
Now you're like, how dare you expect that?
So we don't.
And when you do it, we're like, wow, that's it.
No, but that's, but that is still expected.
That is still expected.
Women are exhausted from working all day.
And then, like, you know, when men get married to women, their quality of life improves.
They remember to brush their teeth.
That's true.
You know, they are taken care of in a way that it's just natural.
If you're living in my house, yeah, I'm going to make sure the dishes are done.
And like, you know, it's just like, I love you.
It's a done deal.
I think women are doing both the domestic and labor outside.
And then men are considering chivalry as equal to like cooking a crazy Sunday night meal like that took hours and shopping and effort.
It's like you need to do more if you're putting those as like the extracurriculars outside of working.
The housework is way harder than like stepping to a guy at the moment.
So I think pushback.
It does seem like a lot more couples.
There's eating out a lot more.
Uber eats a lot more restaurants, date nights, cleaning ladies, even.
So for y'all, it is completely natural to say, I'm working.
I'm not trying to do all that.
I think in healthier couples that I see, it's very much like, well, yeah, so don't, we'll figure that out.
You don't have to do that.
That's not expected of you.
But it's still us expected of men generally.
The chivalry is expected now to go above and beyond.
Whereas if we, if you were working and cooking and cleaning, a guy was complaining to his dude friends, he might just do it.
But a lot of dude friends would be like, shut the fuck up, dude.
Your wife works, she cooks, she clean.
You're a fucking loser.
I think it's a cultural thing.
Sounds pretty good.
Like, think about the households where Sunday dinners are really important.
Like Spanish household, Italians.
Like, I think where you were raised and like where you come from plays such a huge role into that.
Yeah, it curates the expectations you have for yourself.
Because I feel like I love cooking.
Like, that's something like I enjoy.
Like, I don't mind cleaning the kitchen, but like, you should be carrying the groceries and like I could go pick them up.
I could do whatever.
Like, I'm going to leave them at the bottom stairs.
You should be carrying them up the stairs.
So there's like little things.
So maybe the pendulum is swinging around a little bit and we have to just come to this, you know, kind of middle ground where you have to state clearly what your expectations are of us.
What is the baseline?
Well, that's impossible.
Then that's your fault.
Because we, yeah, we know.
We know what, because I think we know what our expectations are of you guys.
We know what is the baseline and we know what makes us feel good when you go a little bit above the baseline.
And can you just tell me what the expectations are just so I know?
Because I don't quite know.
It's opposite.
Way the same.
No, no, but I think, I think it's like, I think it's like, it's like hygiene, obviously.
Like shaved.
Is that the hygiene?
Like, what is the list?
I'm sorry.
Yeah, Showers smell good.
Maybe it's because I date Indian women, but like, come on.
Jesus.
You know what I mean?
Shafed.
Harold, you need to be on it.
Yeah, exactly.
You're talking about hygiene.
That shape.
That shape and shit.
Don't come with your feet.
That shaved shit.
That shaving shit is the expected shit.
Okay, expected.
Yes, I think there are those like baseline, like, okay, just be hot expectations, right?
Which sounds like, I guess it even sounds annoying describing it to you guys.
But if I don't say it, then I'm not being honest, right?
So I think that there is that like a care to look beautiful.
I think that that matters, right?
And then just maintain it.
It's not like saying you can't fucking like schlep around the sweats or whatever.
That's fun too.
But like, it is nice to know that that's something you guys value.
100%.
I think like a curiosity and care about us, maybe it's just because we're comedians, but that's important to me.
Like me and my wife having conversation, her wanting to know what's going on in my life, like me taking interest in what's going on in hers, like those really caring and like supporting.
The cooking and the cleaning stuff is extra.
Baseline Care and Resentment00:04:57
It's like an added bonus.
But do you care about me?
Do you care about what's going on in my life?
And do you want to support me in achieving my dreams?
That's like selfishly what I would say.
And once you have a kid, everything's out the window and it's different stuff.
But before that, it's this feeling of like, okay, you're going to be my partner.
Do you really ride from it?
Oh, shit.
You're really supportive.
You see all these things going on.
You know, I'm having a hard time with this and you're trying to make it as easy as possible.
That's huge.
That's exactly the clip.
That's exactly what she wants too.
And the sticky note is just like, or a playlist, like it's just a little action that shows, hey, I got you.
Hey, I'm thinking about you.
It seems like not having those creates resentment.
Where if my, where I don't know if a woman didn't cook her clean, if we would resent her for it.
I don't know if it would like, it would be this like uproar on a pot if that clip came out.
We were describing that scenario.
But if you didn't have like clean socks and underwear, how would you feel?
But this is the thing where I'm just like, I can outsource that to somebody who can make your life easier.
You know what I mean?
Like, so I'm just, I'm just telling you like where our baselines are.
And I feel like our baselines are a little off.
And it seems like you guys need a little bit more thoughtfulness than we think you need.
Yes.
For you to not resent us because we don't want to be resented.
That's huge.
Because in our minds, a lot of us, we feel like we're going above and beyond.
So when you get resentment and you think you're going above and beyond, it creates a real feeling.
You start resenting.
Yeah.
Why do you resent it?
Like I do all that.
Like we think we're doing all this where your baseline is actually higher than what we expect of ourselves.
I think that's exactly.
Our baseline for you is lower than what you expect.
So you're doing it.
No, it's hard to keep your weight the same and stay shape.
No, no, no.
Listen, listen, listen, listen.
Oh, that stress me so much.
No, listen, because your baseline isn't based on us.
Like you said earlier, it's based on your mom.
So you're putting your mom's shit on me.
I'm not your mom.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, I don't care what your mom said.
So I think we need to find that.
Like, I think we need to work on finding what that baseline is and work on, okay, wow, you went above and beyond and this was really extra.
You might like fold all the socks and shit.
I don't care if they're folded or not.
I don't care if they're mixed.
I don't care if they're inside out or not.
You might be looking at me like, no, no, you're not.
I did this for you.
Yeah.
I never looked at my underwear.
Right side, left side.
I don't, yeah.
I think the solution for this, nobody wants the resentment.
And I think women are confused when they open their mouth and everything is snagging.
I think it's a bad point to get to.
I think women should be more comfortable being single and like, like not take out that mom or societal pressure on their partner.
You guys need to write it down.
We need, we need the expectations.
But it's also fair.
Like we're like when we move in together, we're expecting.
We're doing all the cleaning because we want it to be clean.
Not for them.
And they don't give a fuck.
And then you get a little bit of a cut.
He's getting all the garbage in his bathroom until I moved in.
He would use his washing machine as the hamper.
Like his socks would go from the thing into the drawer with not one.
And you act like you're doing it for us.
Not for us.
I'm doing it for myself, not for anyone.
He doesn't give a fuck.
So that cleaning thing is on me, not him.
Okay, because I want the house to be that way.
And she's like, I didn't touch it today.
I go, who cares?
Yeah.
That's good, right?
Yeah.
At least she wasn't around.
Mark didn't have a toothbrush for three days.
Two days, okay?
And you're shooting a thing.
I got one.
That's crazy.
That's two days.
Fucking disgusting.
But I think this is a good place to get to.
What are your expectations, the baseline expectations of us, right?
So that we can understand.
We might look at them and be like, yo, I can't do that consistently.
It's just really not important to me.
And I'll do it a little bit so you feel good, but know that it is not important to me.
And the only reason I'm doing it so you feel good.
That's different than you expect me to do it every single time because there's going to be resentment because of that gap.
Yeah, the expectation of mind reading is hard.
Yeah, but like even mind reading, I feel like is part of all this.
Like to get to the point where she's upset that you didn't read her mind, she was upset about 10 things before that.
Oh, interesting.
You know what I mean?
Interesting.
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So I just learned something.
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And it hasn't changed in thousands of years.
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And they want to be fed.
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Men Want Primal Things Only00:11:12
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Now let's get back to the show.
There's a lot of comedic drama happening in India right now.
Yes.
This started popping up on my socials because anytime somebody gets like canceled for a joke abroad, especially, I get tagged in like posts that have lettering I don't understand.
And like, it's always something in the translate is like, oh, if you think this is bad.
Right?
Did you get those as well?
It's like, no, they just come some shoals.
You got to come, you got to save your boy or something.
And they added Ranveer Alabadi, who I've mentioned on this podcast.
He's like a big podcast.
That's beer biceps.
Beer biceps.
He's India's Rogan.
Oh, yeah.
And so he's a big deal.
He said, like, hey, I only started podcasting because of Joe Rogan.
He's a sweet kid.
Respect.
Help me get away with it.
And you did the pod with them.
I've done it.
He actually done his pod in two episodes.
But then there's this other Indian comedian, Sameh Reyna.
Very funny kid.
He won like India's version of Last Comic Standing, but it matters over there.
Okay.
Joke writer, purist, like loves to craft.
He started the show similar to Kill Tony, but he gives Kill Tony credit.
It's a crossover of Kill Tony and India's Got Talent a little bit.
It's called India's Got Latent.
Latent doesn't matter.
It's just like a play on the word talent.
But the idea is, it's not just comedy.
You as a contestant come up, you do a talent.
Before you do the talent, you give yourself what score you think you'll get on a 1 to 10.
So if you are self-aware and you're like, I'm a four and we didn't like your act and we give you a four, even if we thought you're a piece of shit and that's why we gave you a four, you could still win because your score, it's not about who's the best.
It's about who's got the most self-awareness.
It's a really clever concept.
I just want to point out one thing.
That's dope.
Tony, before you get upset that somebody has, you know, taken your show, I just want to point something out.
This is very serious right here.
India has taken Superman, Batman, every Marvel movie, every huge billion-dollar blockbuster movie they've made into Bollywood.
And now they're doing with Kill Tony.
That is like a fan and he gives Tony credit.
But that's the ultimate sign of respect.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
An Indian cultural institution has taken your concept and ran with it.
My understanding is he's truly like, I can't, these people can't make it to India to do Kill Tony.
Let's bring Kil Tony over here.
And the show goes bonkers.
I'm talking like, it's India, but like, it makes like $3,000 a year.
Yeah, you deserve royalties on this.
Not dollars, but views, $20 million an app.
It's like fucking insanely big.
It becomes a part of the zeitgeist.
Like the cultural conversation.
Yeah, yeah.
Summay becomes this massive star.
He was already a good comic respected, but now he's out of here.
One episode they're doing, and just like Kiltoni, he's got his guests who are celebrities.
One episode they're doing, Ranvir Alabadi, who's a sweet kid, asks the contestant a hypothetical: hey, would you rather watch your parents have sex forever or join in to make it stop?
Seems like a fun hypothetical.
All of a sudden, there's this massive uproar.
They're threatened with going to jail, legal issues.
It's like getting FIR, I forget what that stands for, but essentially like we're preparing a legal case against you.
Ranvir's parents, like people are.
So it's not even Sumay.
Both are getting threatened, but Ranvir didn't even say the joke.
No.
Runvir the joke.
And people were at the taping, said Ranvir, after he said it, checked in on the guy.
He's like, hey, that didn't hurt your feelings.
Buddha Ne Laga, which is like, you didn't mind that too much.
That wasn't too bad for you, right?
Checks in again after the episode.
Hey, you're okay with that.
The guy's like, yeah, it's all good.
They keep in the episode.
Suddenly, it just becomes this massive case of how dare you put something that obscene in entertainment.
India has the most violent fucking movie.
There's a movie called Animal that came out in 2023.
Great movie.
It's maybe the most violent movie I've ever seen in my life.
But they're killing Muslims.
No, no, no, they're Indians, which is a problem.
Joking about Muslims is probably okay.
But there's also, dude, Indian comics have gone to jail for making jokes about like that are adjacent.
A Muslim comic went to jail for making jokes that's like adjacent to Hinduism, not even really.
So they're going through their comedy struggle, which happens in every country.
Like this happened in America too.
I understand things are going to be inflated there at a different level and there's probably going to be more severe actions taken, but like it's not to say that this isn't a common occurrence historically.
Like there are American comedians that got arrested for, you know, what is it, the seven deadly words or whatever it is.
Seven words you can't say on television.
I'm not saying it's not potentially way worse there.
But what I am saying is it is common that as comedy pops up in a country and you start to say things that the society or culture does not digest with great frequency.
Yeah.
And a lot of those people not really understanding like the intention is to make people laugh, there is this knee-jerk rebellion, this knee-jerk reaction that is oftentimes negative and punitive.
There's a lot of people who have no idea what stand-up is and they're getting offended by this.
Two things are different.
One.
And sorry, they don't have free speech as like a cult thing.
Go.
First difference is back then, they're not going to dox you.
There's no internet.
You can find out who Lenny Bruce's mom is.
Ranvir is like, people are, his mom is a doctor.
People are pretending to be patients coming in and then like threatening and whatever.
Second difference is there is not a constitutional right to free speech.
India's constitution, I'm going to fuck this up a little bit, but it's essentially like you have the right to make your speech and they have the right to get offended and then we can kick it up to the legal battle and see what's going to happen.
It seems like legally they're going to side against the comics and say the reaction toward them is not okay.
You can't take violent action on your own, but these people should be censored.
So that is where it's, I'm not going to speak ill of the Indian government because I'm terrified of them.
Whatever they, God bless.
Yeah, absolutely.
Whatever fear you have about Candace Owens, 100x.
So yeah, guys, hey, no ill will.
That's not a knock on you, Candace.
Listen, we have a lot of fear, and we want to make sure that you keep on doing the great work that you're doing about the Belldoni case and also about Macron.
Anyway, back to this.
But what I will say is freedom of speech is not a real thing in India.
It doesn't exist like that.
So if you are a comedian, that's a real fucking issue.
I don't know any solution other than get the fuck out because this, they're going to pass a law.
And I don't know if this is anything, I'm not speculating at all, but, you know, keep my family safe.
But they're going to eventually pass a law that is you don't have, you don't get to say what you want.
As a comic, we get to dictate what you want.
What was the answer to the hypothetical?
I don't remember, but I think it's the same answer.
You get back in there, right?
You were in there once.
You know what I mean?
You go home.
You end it.
And then you're going to watch them forever?
I think you get desensitized.
Yes.
I didn't talk about that.
Dad, that movie game.
Come on, man.
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Watch it forever.
Does that mean like every night that you go home they're doing it or do you have to sit in the room forever?
Because I couldn't sit in the room.
Sit in the room forever.
It's not fair.
You got to watch it once a day for the rest of your life.
No, we could do that.
That's what I'm saying.
I think I go down.
Absolutely.
To me, that's the worst part of the hypothetical.
We all have the same answer.
Yeah.
Plus, my dad got a bigger dick than me and shit.
Like, come on.
I can't get involved.
You better watch your dad.
Are you worried about not pleasing your mom?
Bro, disappoint your parents again.
I know, bro.
Shit.
Oh, that sucks.
That's what's funny to me.
We hear this on fucking public radio in America.
And there, it's unbelievable.
How could you?
So they're taking it seriously.
They're taking the hypothetical 100% seriously.
They're not seeing that both situations are awful and vulgar and obscene.
And the reaction they have is right.
Like, yes, it's awful, vulgar, and obscene.
That's why I'm asking it because you have to choose between these two things that are horrendous and you wouldn't want to do either one of them.
Now, it seems like the Indian free speech law in the Constitution imposes restrictions on certain things like defamation, security of state, but also decency and morality.
So now you have like morality police basically saying, hey, this violates the Indian law of so yeah, to be honest, any law the government passes is not unconstitutional.
Whereas here, it'd be unconstitutional.
It is a direct violation of the Constitution that is freedom of speech.
It's pretty absolute.
There, it's not absolute.
So if the government passes a law, it's on y'all for voting for.
Like there's the government didn't do anything.
And this is the perfect thing for them to step in on because there are very few people that are not comedy fans that would be supporting questions like, would you fuck your mom so that your dad would stop fucking her every day in front of you?
Yeah.
Like they'd be like, we don't need this.
They don't realize the trickle-down effect of that.
Yeah.
Right.
So it's a very easy thing to get on board with if you're not a comedy fan.
Yeah, it's designed kind of brilliantly by the government if you think about it.
Yeah.
Because I'm sure there's been plenty of other jokes that have caused an uproar.
Yeah.
I mean, you've told me this before.
There have been comedians that got in trouble.
Even Veer, when he came on here, didn't he get in trouble with something?
He wrote a thing called Two Indias.
It's like more serious, but he got in trouble for that.
He got the FIRs thrown at him to threaten him with legal action.
And when people ask, Indians ask, why don't you do a tour here?
I hate that because I feel like I'm letting them down.
But it ain't worth it.
The risk reward is just not in my favor.
So no, I'll do a pop-up show, maybe.
Like pop into a spot even, but I'm not, I don't want people there policing and looking for whatever.
You know what I mean?
But the concern is not your life.
The concern is your family.
My family's life.
Right.
Because you could do a show and then it's going to be like an international dust up.
But they're not going to arrest an American comedian that's going over there because it's going to make them look bad.
Now Trump gets involved.
You know, you know him.
That's the homie he's been on.
So Trump's not going to let an American doing something that is core to our values, right?
Go over there, get arrested and get locked up.
But he can't protect your cousins, your uncles, and all these other people.
Exactly.
Ooh, man.
They kicked Vivek out of there pretty quick.
I don't know how much they come into his defense.
That's a good ass point, bro.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, but I'm right on.
If it's America versus India, we'll win.
I'm American to Indians.
And I'm American.
Clip it.
To them.
And I'm American to them if India's got a problem with me.
Then I'm American to Americans.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's been interesting to see the international reaction to Trump, though.
Like, Trump has all these international fans.
And I wonder if, like, some of the things that they believe that he's fighting against here, they hope that their government officials would fight against.
Like, corruption is not a thing unique to America in any way.
No.
Right.
Institutional distrust is not unique to America.
So when you brand around this idea of like, hey, we're taking down these corrupt institutions.
Yeah.
You know, we're taking down these corrupt politicians.
We're draining the swamp.
Like, shit, every country out there is like, yeah, why don't you drain this swamp?
That's the reason I'm broke because that swamp is so fucking big.
So bro, speaking of Trump and India, did you see him talk to this report?
This is one of the all-time.
He's just a clip machine and never related to it.
Do you think that should continue here in the U.S. as well?
You're going to have to go louder.
Mr. President, people in India would be welcoming your decision to extradite the Habur Ghana to I can't understand the word.
Wealth Gap vs Identity Politics00:05:12
See?
It's not me.
I had help on the standard.
So this is an interesting.
I want to get back to the side.
This is an interesting thing that I've noticed with Trump is like people always say this, especially liberals often say this.
They're like, why the fuck do working class people relate to this guy?
He's a billionaire.
And I think an interesting thing with Trump is that like billionaires don't really relate to him.
He talks working class.
Ah yeah, yeah.
Right?
Like that's a working class thing to say.
Like a billionaire polished person would be like, would you mind repeating yourself?
Like, because he understands the repercussions of saying some shit like that.
But a dude that works at the plant and some Indian guy's asking him a question is like, yo, can someone translate the English to English?
I have no fucking clue what's going on.
And that relatability allows him to connect to those people, which financially he's not connected with at all.
Yep.
I was talking to the reporter that we had on.
Was it last week or two weeks ago?
Yeah.
That he was here just about that.
And it was like, we had that conversation about like, why can like, what is the fundamental issue?
Like, what, what is the issue with the Democrats?
And we were talking out in the hallway and it was like Republicans and not all of them at all, but like Trump feels like he can hang.
He feels like you could talk to him and you're not like worried about what you say.
Yeah.
With Democrats, if it was a private room and nobody's around and we had fucking Tim Waltz in here, we got fucking Buddha Jet or something, like one of these guys, like, yeah, we could hang.
We could say whatever and it doesn't really matter.
But the second the cameras go on, they're like, if I mention the pronouns thing is a little bit absurd.
Am I going to get blowback?
And they don't know where the line is.
I think, Mark, you said something like that.
They just don't know where it is.
And when you don't know where the line is, you speak in this like unrelatable way.
Right.
And that is something that Democrats are going to have to figure out.
You have to figure out how to just speak freely and relate to normal people.
And you can't do that when you don't even know where your line is.
I figure it's, they just have too many donors that have special interests.
And it's like, ooh, if I see this one thing, I'm going to piss off this donor.
And I think you catch Republicans with that, especially with like the gun stuff.
But there's a little bit more like, and it's going to get obviously too far and be annoying on the Republican side as well.
But there's a little bit more freedom to be like, ah, shut up with that kind of nonsense.
Ah, you're being ridiculous.
Yeah.
Whereas like Democrats are like, yeah, all right, I'm going to piss off the identity politics people.
I'm going to piss off these people.
I'm going to piss off those people.
You're constantly concerned about the piss off.
And he doesn't seem that concerned about pissing people off, which is refreshing.
He's also in an easier spot.
Like right-wing people in general are able to just be like, hey, let's just go back.
We're conservative.
Let's not change shit.
Whereas liberal people have to be like, all right, what are we changing?
What are we pushing forward as policy?
What are the new lines?
They're literally trying to find new lines.
So they don't really have a sort of cognizant view of what the lines are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like when your party is wrapped around progress, you have to continue to progress.
And sometimes you maybe progress too far.
Like NATO's job is to expand.
You know what I mean?
Like if you work in a NATO, they're like, all right, where else can we get NATO?
And then maybe you go too far.
And then maybe there's a war that none of us want to be a part of.
If the ACLU is like, yeah, shit, it's pretty good.
They're done.
It's a wrap.
We don't need you anymore.
But you do need progressives.
Yeah.
Because you need to get to a point where they're not fucking lighting gay people on fire.
Yeah.
So it's that, yeah, it's that unfortunate pendulum swing.
And they need to find a way to be progressive without alienating the majority.
Because I feel like in their efforts to embrace minorities and embrace the people who don't really have a voice, they've kind of alienated the working class, which is the majority of people in the country.
So they need to figure that shit out.
And that shit, that shit ain't easy.
It's not as easy as going and get the pronouns out of here.
Like, that's a tough.
It's the class issue that they're like tiptoeing around.
What do you mean?
Like, they don't want to acknowledge the class issue and like try to go at like billionaires the way Bernie did.
Oh, because they're in bed with the billionaires.
Yeah.
Oh, wait, the Democrats or the Republicans?
Democrats.
Like, I mean, kind of everything both.
But like, Democrats in America are like kind of right in comparison to the rest of the world.
So they're tiptoeing around the class issue and going at like all the pop culture shit.
Republicans being in bed with billionaires doesn't surprise us.
It's in line with Laura.
They're the party for the rich.
But that is a great point.
Like if they made their cause about the wealth gap and then let all the other stuff kind of go to the side, I'm not saying we just fucking ignore what gay people or whatever.
I'm not saying ignore, but if they made the core identity of it Bernie, which was, hey, you got these institutions that are taking advantage of you and you got these rich people that are taking advantage of you.
I think that the average working class person could kind of look the other way about some pronoun shit.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
But because, like you said, they're afraid to address it, they got to lock into these other things that, unfortunately, for those people, the rest of America really doesn't care about at the same level that they care about the wealth inequality.
Yeah.
I mean, frankly, it's a bigger issue that affects more people.
It is.
Then Republicans are the party of the rich, and a lot of them think, oh, I'm going to be rich too one day.
That's American.
Cancel Culture for Profit00:11:27
Every American think they're going to be a millionaire.
Okay.
So then what happens in India?
What happens with these guys?
Like, so they've already taken down all the episodes.
Like, that show is off the air.
It's not.
I tried to look up how many views there were.
They took it down or the, they were like, the government was like, take down all the episodes.
And they were like, fee, we will comply.
I don't know for a fact, but that's, it seems like what it is based on reading.
Like some may put, sorry, they both apologized.
I wasn't trying to offend anybody.
I wasn't whatever, which was like, again, in America, you don't have to do that.
I think in India, you have to fucking do that.
So I don't know.
I just tweeted before I even knew it was happening.
I was like, I don't give a fuck what Runveer said.
I know him.
I like him as family.
I'm riding with him.
Then I said something else, and somebody was like, somebody should be fined every time they cuss.
It's like my dick, you dumbass motherfucker, which I thought was a joke.
These tweets made it to the Times of India because here you can just stand up for those guys.
There, you cannot.
Nobody's saying anything.
Oh, your tweets, baby.
My tweets, the whole article.
Indian comedian who interviewed Trump.
You know, you need to chill the fuck out.
Yeah, but again, I can stand.
I'm not going to criticize the government.
I just know I can stand on what comedy is and what free speech is.
That I'm comfortable, I'm confident in that.
The government, theoretically, if they do pass this law, they're not doing anything unconstitutional.
So as much as I'm afraid of them, I wouldn't even say what you're doing is XYZ because that is the Constitution.
They are within their, I can't call it some gross misuse of power.
The Constitution was written.
It's also fascinating how native freedom of speech is and like expression is in America.
That like even seeing the response from like Indian like Twitter users being like, oh, this is disgusting.
Like this dude, this guy is a creep.
He's issuing this apology.
It was a deliberate act and full consciousness.
Like, yeah.
Keep in mind, marital ra is legal in India.
You can't rape your wife in India.
It's impossible for that to be illegal.
Hypothetical about fucking somebody.
Wow.
That's illegal.
What is this word?
Sanskar.
Since God is, I think, traditions.
So decency, culture, and traditions are not his forte.
Yeah.
So basically, people are saying you're violating what it means to be Indian, which is like decency and respect.
Wow.
Yeah.
But then you got to wonder, like, is the way America does shit, like freedom of expression in America, is that applicable to all people?
Is that inalienable and human, or is that just a cultural thing?
That's a cultural thing.
You know what I mean?
Like, so at a certain point, as Americans do look at this and go, well, if that's what works for them, or should we stand up for freedom of speech?
That is the issue.
That's the age-old question, man.
I think we are often, I was like, freedom of speech is under attack in India.
It doesn't exist.
It's such a crazy notion that we are in a country, like cancer cancel culture is like people fucking use it to make money, I think, here a lot.
And it's a little annoying.
There, it is truly your life is in jeopardy.
We'll throw you in jail.
We'll fuck, we'll take everything from everyone you love.
Don't fuck around.
Is this one of those things where we're projecting our values in the same way that we're like, yo, you got to let women drive in the Middle East or whatever just because we let them drive here?
So now we're projecting our values on them.
And we believe that free speech is a good, righteous, kind thing that human beings should have.
And over there, they're like, we have way less accidents, bro.
But it is the same, like, what is it, like, intellectual imperialism, as you will.
Like, we're not over there boots on the ground, but we're basically shaming you if you don't get American with your shit.
At the same time, as a comedian, I'm like, I want comedians to be able to say way crazier jokes than that.
I'm going to support every Indian comic saying whatever.
That's just a fundamental thing for me as an American who is a comic.
And the government over there is like, that's cute.
Yeah.
So that's not the way our people are.
We're going to kill all of those people.
So what do you want to do?
Yeah.
Comedy isn't even part of their identity as a nation.
Like comedy is an American art form.
I can't imagine America.
I can't imagine like American cultural institutions without comedy.
And a restriction on that we reject almost instinctually.
It's like viscerally.
It makes me sick.
But this is some new shit over there.
Comedy is literally, I've done comedy longer than the country of India.
It started, I think, December 2009.
They like know exactly when it started.
It's brand new to them.
I started 2007.
I wonder if it's like if they were like, you know, breakdancing is vulgar.
And we'd be like, what are you talking about?
It's not, it's just dancing.
They're like, nah, we outlawing that shit.
You know, like, that's how new it is to them.
You know, so they're like, we can do without breakdancing.
We've been here for 5,000 years and there was no fucking breakdance.
We'll be fine without it.
And we're also like taken off guard by this because we're like, there's no way that could happen here.
But there, you almost have to wonder, like, did they know?
Right.
Like, I don't think that's what happened in this case, but like, let's say there's a comedian that's warned two times, like, hey, the jokes are saying you're going to get put in jail.
And then he says it a third time.
Is all of a sudden is our empathy for their restriction of freedom of speech the same?
Because it's like, yo, you understood what the consequences are.
And this is why.
Sorry.
The other thing people are like, they're making an example of him.
Maybe they are.
I don't know.
To me, it's weird because if they were doing that, he's been fairly, the criticism I hear a lot about Runveer is he's very like the government's whatever.
Like he does, he's pro-government, pro-whatever.
Like he's up their ass.
People criticize him.
So for them to make him the example, I'm like, well, that doesn't even add up to me.
Well, is there any...
It could be possible, but it doesn't add up to me.
Is there any version?
You said he's the Rogan of India, right?
Yeah.
Is there any version where they're looking at America?
And, all right, let me let me bring it back.
You know how like China locked up their tech CEOs?
Yeah.
And I imagine they looked at America and maybe other countries and they saw that the power that these like tech CEOs had and their ability to influence culture, laws.
And they went, you know what?
I don't know if we want to, I think we need to send a message to these tech CEOs in China that they still work for us and that we make the real decisions.
So, you lock them in a basement for a month and then you let them out and then they can continue doing their stuff.
But now they know.
If you're saying that he's the Rogan of India, I wonder if this is just a message: like, yo, you're not bigger than the system.
Yeah.
And we're going to let you know right now you're not bigger, even though you've been good, even though, as you're saying, the criticism has been up their ass.
It's just another reminder.
Whereas with Rogan, you can't do that here.
Yeah.
You can't.
They've tried.
CNN have tried to like shame him.
All these different publications have tried to shame Rogan, but like at the end of the day, the American people are going to ride with the guy that they feel is giving them the truth.
Yeah.
And not the rhetoric.
To your point, they could be in what the theory conspiracy theorists are saying, whether they're right or wrong, I'm not going to say, but the conspiracy theorists are saying, well, the law they're trying to pass is about online content and being able to censor that, which would be, to your point, all online content we can't control.
If I'm another country, we can't control.
We need to figure that out.
Let's pass a law.
I mean, look, if you sorry, theoretically, let's use the guy that's been sympathetic to us.
So they know, like, it doesn't seem like a hit piece or it doesn't seem like we're making an example of him and sacrificing him, even though we might be.
Nobody's going to say that because they're going to say, oh, this guy's pro-government.
So they just really believe in this bill.
But he's sympathetic now.
You know what I mean?
Like, you got to have some control.
Right?
You never know.
And also, he might be sympathetic to the government, but he might be also sympathetic to the Ambanis or another very powerful family.
And maybe that's the government going, like, hey, we don't, yeah, yeah, we're daddy and you got to abide by this because putting too much power in one person, as you've noticed with in America, like Joe has the influence.
You know, he can sway elections.
He can sway culture.
Even before the election, he can move culture in a way that will affect the election.
The election's downstream.
Yeah.
So, wow.
Yeah.
I wonder what happens in those rooms.
Like, how crazy is it that comedy is at this level where the government needs to potentially step in and apply punitive measures to scare people into relinquishing their power and influence?
Yeah.
That's a crazy, what a time to be able to comedy.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Fuck.
Yeah.
It's a scary thing, man.
But every institution has a version of that because it's like there's words we don't say on here because we know the platform we put it on.
Even though we want to say the joke, we won't do it because we know we can potentially get killed.
Or we bleep it.
Yeah, that's a good point.
That's not legal.
It's not the government coming down.
That's true.
But Google, you know, government has their hand like, yeah, what's allowed?
And we don't like these words being said.
I can see that happening.
Yeah, I go for it.
I just think the leash is a lot shorter over there.
And I just, I have to ride for comedy and the ability to do comedy.
Otherwise, it's going to me telling every comic in India, well, you just need to leave, get a fucking seek asylum, get a visa, go to what you love somewhere else.
So where is Same?
Why don't we get him on a pod?
I would love to try to.
He's actually, I was trying to get him.
He's doing shows in Canada right now.
I talk to him.
He's holding up okay, but he's like a single entry visa.
So we got to be able to figure out how to get him back here.
But I would love to have him on.
I don't know what he's going to be willing to say, but I would love to talk to him.
I would love to, because I'm safe in America, I would love to bring light to this issue.
I can understand why bigger comics in India are staying silent.
But me in America, without trying to make too many enemies, I would like to have some conversation.
And maybe he's just asking a bunch of hypotheticals and, you know, having fun and he can't answer them.
And that's kind of fun.
That's the tricky thing when it starts to affect your family.
Yeah.
Like most of us are willing to take it on.
Yeah.
You take on the criticism.
And in America, it's different.
It's online criticism, people making comments or saying stupid shit.
Yeah.
It's like they're saying death threats, but it's like, okay, whatever.
But when they pull up to your mom's job.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're not worried about that.
Like your tweets are getting picked up in the times over there.
You have family back.
You know how many things there are?
That's true.
I mean, that's true.
And they're probably thinking.
They're like, no, they can't.
They all think I'm Punjabi.
Let them.
Yeah, yeah.
I do.
But yeah, I guess to me, it's like, it's not anti-government.
What I'm saying is just pro being able to make jokes.
And I guess to me, I hope that people can make that distinction of like, I'm going to defend comedy.
I'm a comic.
Unequivocally, this is what I will do.
I don't know that they will, but like, I'm not going at the government.
I would never do something that fucking crazy.
I mean, I fear them.
So there you go.
Gotcha.
That's on record, everybody.
Government.
I'm afraid of you.
I want no smoke.
It was, it was, like, I remember when we were in Russia.
And there was like part of me that was like really enticed by like doing, I don't have family in Russia, so it's fine.
And I'm like, what's the international incident that's going to come from it?
Like, it's not going to be a fucking, I'm no bargaining chip or whatever, but at least it's in your brain.
Yeah.
And it feels a little bit more exciting because the stakes are higher.
Yeah.
You know, any joke feels more exciting, even when we were in the Middle East.
Like doing those jokes felt a little bit more exciting because of the cost.
But at the end of the day, I get to go, yeah, all my family's, I don't have any family in Russia.
I have no family in the Middle East.
Like I'm not concerned about anything happening to them.
And the worst thing happens is like I get arrested and then it's this international news story and then I get to come back home.
Like that's the worst thing that's going to happen.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The family thing is crazy.
I mean, this is like what North Korea has on all their people.
You know, it's like, yo, you can try to run, but like, we know where my dad works, we know where your cousin is.
Yeah.
So like, you can be a martyr, but you want your whole family.
They didn't sign up for this.
I actually, at Indian Comics, said that to me.
His wife was getting sued.
He was getting sued.
And I don't say he was just because it's not worth it, probably, but he was like, they didn't sign up for this.
That's the thing that fucks me up.
And that's, he's like, I'm probably going to leave because I understood what I was signing up for.
They didn't.
This person just fell in love with me.
NBA All-Star Game Controversy00:10:04
That's their crime.
I can't do that.
Damn, that sucks.
Yeah.
Yeah, it sucks.
Yeah.
Somebody, we'd love to have you on, dude.
We'll try to figure out.
Yeah, as long as you're alive, because they kill Indians in Canada.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
The government will send you over.
Yeah.
They'll send like a hitman out after him.
Yeah, it's true.
Imagine he got killed because of your tweets.
I made him.
I made him immortal.
Actually, no, he'll come back.
That's the other thing.
Like, yo, why aren't you stressing so much about your mom getting killed?
That's true.
Believe it or not.
I lose her this lifetime.
I'm not worried about her soul.
I'm selfishly like, I'm a misser.
But I'm also like, if you're the government, if you're like, killing.
Sunday ain't married.
He could go.
No, no, no, no.
Who cares?
I'm saying, like, if you're the government just killing somebody, you know that they're going to come back as like a fish or whatever.
Like, it's going to, they'll do something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's really not a good punishment.
Keeping them alive and making them watch their parents have sex every single day.
That seems like a way better punishment.
That is a fair law.
Yeah.
You got to deal with whatever your words were.
Yeah.
Did any of y'all watch the sad ass NBA All-Star game?
I didn't even.
This is, I think the NBA is in trouble.
I didn't even know it was All-Star Weekend.
I forgot.
Completely forgot until I checked Twitter.
It was apparently horrible.
Yeah, I tried to tune in Sunday.
It was really.
So what was the format?
It was my understanding is it was instead of two teams, East and West, it was four teams and then a tournament.
One of the teams is Rising Stars, and then the other ones Chuck, Shaq, and Kenny picked their own teams and then they played.
Yeah, it was like the OGs.
So the older all-stars, then the younger all-stars, then the Rising Stars.
And then there's like the foreigner team.
So they put like all the joke vigils and all that type of shit on.
And then it was just first to 40 and then they put the H-1B Visa team.
That's far.
Why was the all-star game exciting when we were younger?
I don't know.
And here's another question.
Was it?
Yeah.
I remember watching in 2001.
And I remember they, it was like kind of boring at first.
And they said, these guys are going to start trying in the fourth quarter.
And it was awesome in the fourth quarter.
When they really started trying, yeah, and I don't remember them ever trying since then.
Oh, Jordan and Kobe in like 2003.
Yeah, I remember that.
Yeah, I don't think they were getting paid enough money.
I mean, now you're getting paid so much money, you're like, I'm not going to risk getting injured for nothing.
That's a great point.
It's an inconvenience.
Yeah.
Whereas back then, you're like, I'm playing for honor.
I'm Kobe.
I'm just going to show everyone on Mambo.
And so he would go off.
And they would really showboat for the first three quarters.
And then the last one, they're playing.
And now it feels like they don't even care.
Yeah, it's like no defense.
It's slow lobs.
It's just like horrendous.
It's like shit.
So I'm more excited for that than Super Bowl Sunday.
And then, and now I'm like, I don't even know.
LeBron fucked up the dunk contest because the year, the years that we wanted him in it, he's like, nah, it's too risky for my body.
So then all superstars stopped doing the dunk contest.
So now we got a white guy winning.
Yeah.
Mac McClung's fire, though.
Nah, he is fire.
Shout out, Mac.
But like, that is a tricky thing.
So, so the superstars stopped doing the dunk contests.
So now we have less interest in that.
The superstars aren't even playing their hardest, and some of them don't even play.
LeBron tapped out like an hour or two before.
Yeah.
Which Stephen A called out, and I love LeBron, but I agree with Stephen A here.
It's like, you could have just not played and given someone else a spot.
Why would you wait so long?
Play or don't.
Yeah.
But he wants that little byline.
16 times.
20-time all-star.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So how do they Russell?
What would you do if you're advising like Wemby or you're advising, don't play hard?
Yeah, right?
Like, exactly.
I have a contract that is guaranteeing you $350 million.
I don't want you playing in a, I don't let you play back-to-backs.
You're not allowed to go skiing.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm not going to let you play basketball hard for nothing.
It's crazy.
No benefit to my team at all.
Yeah, they're in a tricky situation.
I mean, you saw it happen with the NFL all-star game.
That shit is flagged football.
I didn't know they did that.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
It's trash.
Nobody watches it.
Actually, it would still get big ratings, which is great.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
That makes no sense.
It would still get bigger ratings than every other sport.
I thought it was such a problem that they had to move it to the week or something.
The week between the Super Bowls and between the championship and the Super Bowl.
The ratings weren't great relative to NFL games, but they were still shockingly high.
Oh, really?
Relative to other sporting.
All right, fair enough.
I like the celebrity game.
It was embarrassing.
Celebrity game more than anything.
Because I'm like, oh, I got to see Kevin Hart play because you're trying.
Yeah.
They're trying.
They have a little ego about it.
And you get to see people play that you would never imagine playing.
Yeah, that's that.
Like, they tried to change it by making it like first to an X amount of points because then there's a cap and people start to play defense to be like, well, you're not going to get closer than me to the they were attempting to make the game more competitive.
All right, I got you.
Which it was.
I know.
I think I could save this shit for one year.
I could save it.
I don't know if it goes past one year.
But what do NBA vets?
What do like retired NBA players always say?
Oh, back in my day with the hand checking rules, whatever, I would have scored 30 if it was like this, or I would have done whatever.
You make the game the current all-stars versus retired all-stars.
Okay.
And you give the retired all-stars some sort of like cushion, some sort of lead, whatever.
And now you're playing for pride.
Now, all those guys that were talking all that shit on ESPN all year, how they would lock up Steph, or what they would do to this person, what they would do to that.
Maybe you even switch it to like the old rules where hand-checking is allowed or like you allow them to play the defense of their time.
I don't know.
You need to create rivalry that we want to see.
I want to see Kendrick Perkins talking all that shit about fucking Wemby and then have to guard him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The problem is they're all so out of shit.
Not all.
So many of them get so out of shit.
But if they knew, if they knew all you got to do is come up for one game.
Yeah.
You know, you just need something else.
Like make them golf.
Like, what if you had like Jordan versus Steph?
Like golf tournament.
Yeah, so basically don't do the sports thing you guys are gonna get injured on like you can play golf no one's really gonna get hurt But I'm gonna see two people go at it.
I mean that would work.
People would tap in all right.
I remember they played horse one time.
They've been trying what if you did like G-League stuff and if you win you get in the league or something contract, I think.
I think the only problem with that is that you don't have the stars, and the stars are what make it exciting.
You know, like that's fair.
Yeah, just how do you do it?
Or do you just do?
You just write it off?
Do you do no game and just do challenges and dunk contests?
They should just fuck it.
If no, if no superstars want to do it, open it up to everybody on the internet, because there's some crazy like that would be like ig dunkers, that would be nothing.
They just don't.
Yeah, yeah and just do that.
Just that is the.
That is the problem.
The Non-NBA dunkers are better than the NBA dunkers.
So we're watching open that shit up to the best.
Yeah, we're watching it.
We're supposed to be watching the best of the best this weekend and we're watching worst dunkers in the dunk contest and I would say well, we don't know who they are.
I don't know any of the dunkers.
Really, they're all rookies or second year guys.
I haven't heard them.
I've heard their name but I don't know about them.
And who's that guy who does like all the crazy trick shots online?
Yo um uh, oh god uh, Lethal Shooter, Lethal Shooter, Lethal Shooter.
Shout out, i'm such a fan of his.
Yo, mix it up, put it for the, for the non like game games.
Yeah, put people who are not NBA players up against NBA players.
But they got to be nice.
Three-point shooting contest, Stephan, Lethal Shooter, get out.
That's crazy.
I gotta see that.
I figured it out now.
I figured it out.
I figured it out.
No, that's fine.
And then give him a 10 day.
Like, if he beats Steph, you get a 10 day.
I don't even know if he needs that.
You don't even need that, bro.
You beat all the NBA guys at the three-point content and you only need one guy to make it into the finals yeah.
And now you got the NBA players actually giving an effort because they want to prove they're the best.
You got to tap into their competitive instinct a little bit.
Steph, not letting some guy not in the league beat him, exactly.
Yeah, oh.
And if they do the shit talk that you get for the whole year.
Yeah, and then the next year the Nba's like, all right no, we're gonna get this, we're gonna get, we're gonna get it back, we're gonna prove, we're like.
I was interested when Steph shot against the, the girl i've heard her name, Sabrina Ianos, like that.
That piqued my interest because oh yeah, I wonder how that would actually go.
Yeah, and then with Nfl, I think the Pro Bowl you should put it the week before the season starts.
Get like all the best players to start the season off like.
Get like just create the excitement for the new Nfl season, because they put it after the Super Bowl and the after the Super Bowl.
It's like we're done.
Yeah, it's like that camp to get in shape, get their bodies primed, whatever for contact.
Nfl is just so tricky because these motherfuckers get injured every single game.
Yeah, there's like there was a running back back in the day they were doing like a.
Not even the Pro Bowl game I forget his name, Robert Something he played for the Patriots.
He was good, hadn't gotten his big contract yet, but he doing a beach football thing before the Pro Bowl game, which tore up his knee, never really played again, was never the same.
I forget his name, but exactly the point, he just became a cautionary tail.
I think a lot of players are like I ain't doing that.
No yeah, did you see Chris Paul and Wemby sort of cheated on the first thing?
Yeah, the skills challenge.
Yeah, skills challenge.
What was the idea that like, if you do it under a certain time it's, It's more beneficial.
Yeah, but you got more points by being faster.
And they were like, fine, we'll throw the balls to the left and the right.
You don't have to.
Instead of take a shot, they just missed all the shots.
Yeah, one big higher IQ, bro.
That's all.
I don't know.
I'm not familiar with his game.
He's just a little scrappy, kind of shitty, do whatever it takes to win.
Fire, which is great.
Smart dude, though.
I love it.
What are we betting on now, man?
Medieval martial arts.
Have you been watching this?
Well, the real NBA season starts now.
That's true.
Now, now the NBA game's match.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Can you bet on hockey fights?
Because apparently not.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that the U.S. versus Canada?
Yeah.
That shit was fire.
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But what if we bet on this, though?
Not as far.
This shit is fire.
Why is this fire?
Miles put me on with this and it's crazy.
To me, this looks so stupid.
This is retarded.
So they actually fight.
So it's basically MMA, but they also have swords and shields.
Oh, Jesus.
Stupid.
Who fucking cares?
No, it's far.
What do you mean?
This is crazy.
Have you ever punched a guy in a fucking shield?
It doesn't hurt.
Boom.
I mean, crazy.
I like that.
And look where they are.
Al says this doesn't hurt.
Al fell skiing this weekend and it's like decrepit.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't have to.
What's going on?
I turned the snow.
Now that guy might be tired, though.
Yeah, he died.
Wait a minute.
Al, it's hard to know.
It's ice.
It's very ice.
We have really bad slopes.
Nah, I'm fucking in paint.
Like, everything's burning right now.
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