Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh dissect a chaotic upbringing in Bay City, Texas, where the guest survived police chases by swimming under bridges after getting pulled over while high. They explore his father's prison survival stories, his mother's drug dealing, and his transition from emulating rappers with chains to embracing authentic cowboy aesthetics at age 39. The conversation covers his musical fluency influenced by Big L and Nas, his obsession with Johnny Dang, and his athletic past playing soccer with a teammate who fractured his foot eight times. Ultimately, the episode highlights how overcoming trauma through music and family bonds reshaped his identity beyond flashy jewelry or traditional rap tropes. [Automatically generated summary]
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Jumping on Bounce Houses00:14:05
I always got an onion on me and I got a uh, what the fuck is happening right now?
I actually had this girl that slutted me out.
You were an innocent little boy, yeah.
And then what?
This girl do bad things, what type of bad things.
She ate it, that shit.
She sang my legs in the air.
I felt like she was gonna put me a missionary bro in Chi Rack.
This dude died in the ops.
The ops that sounds so stupid.
I had a homeboy named Cameron Pye.
He really wasn't my homeboy, he was my kinfuck homeboy.
But this motherfucker was legally lunatic on papers and I seen this was gone.
What's up everybody?
Welcome to Flagger.
Today we're joined by a guest that I am so excited to have here, man.
Okay, what's going on, baby?
Okay, tons of talk about first thing I gotta say is I've been watching a lot of like pods and interviews with you, you know, so I could get acquainted, and you will say some shit in these interviews that is so unintentionally funny okay, like I don't know if you're trying to make them laugh and I don't know if they know, but I'm howling.
Okay, there's one I think it was on rap radar.
You were like, you're like man, you know what, I don't need that much.
I don't care how much money I get, you go.
I don't need that much, you go.
All I need is two acres, a double wide trailer yeah, and then you said this and a trampoline, bro.
hey bro I promise you it's like since kids bro we always had the trampoline in the in the pool you know but you don't need the pool yes I tramp I can't at 24 are you on the trampoline still usually you put the bitches on the trampoline because you see the titty shaking but you were like no let me show you backflips yeah I'll show you my titties I gotta show off
So that's a backflip, so that's making it like two acres double wide in a trampoline.
I'm chilling 100 chilling, hell yeah for sure.
So before we start the pod, I go how you feel moving in New York and you're like, I'm gonna be honest, it's a little different because and then you started telling me the amount of guns that you usually drive yeah, in Texas, with hell yeah, two with AR in the passenger seat, AR in the back seat and my pistol on my lap.
Every time, every time, what if you're just going to buy, like whenever I, when I leave without it, I'm like man, what the fuck is not here?
You got to pat your wallet and your AR.
I leave my wallet before I leave my gun.
Really, hell yeah.
So do you feel?
Wallet, cell phone gun, that's his checklist.
I promise to you every time 100, 100.
Do you ever feel okay, what if you're going to do something that you cannot get shot at?
Man, I put that between my ass cheeks, right under my nuts, so you would grab your gun to go get like a Frappuccino from Starbucks.
Man, I'm in, I'm in church with my gun.
This is a Texan man.
I'm telling you, this is bro and Chirac, and Chirac.
This dude died in the ops.
The ops, that sounds so stupid.
The, The opposition, yeah.
The people that he got beefed with, thank you, bro.
The people he got beef with went into his funeral and stole the casket with the body in it.
Yeah, so I don't give a fuck about none of that.
Motherfuckers ain't out here friendly.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, fuck that.
So now you're in New York.
How'd you sneak in the guns?
Remember, you told me before the pod, you're like, Yeah, we snuck in all the guns.
Nah.
Just got him arrested.
So, what are you doing for safety?
Do you even feel safe?
Hell yeah.
Like I said, like I said, when I'm like in California, I feel like everybody's out to get me.
Everybody.
I feel like I don't know, bro.
Cause like in California, I just feel like California, like I love California.
I love my fans out there, but it's not a place for me to be.
It's just not for me.
You're stressing.
Yeah.
Like, I just, I overthink too much.
And like me, I already know it as like a bad place.
What if I took you to a bounce house and just let you jump around it, bro?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you can jump all day, dude.
The ops might be jumping over there.
You get shot in a bounce house.
You can dodge it.
You can't.
Backflip like the Matrix.
You know what I mean?
Bust on off.
It's easy.
That Mexican OT avoids murder.
The bounce house double backflip.
Yeah.
Yeah, dude.
Yeah.
I wonder if like you start to get like your safety becomes dependent on the gun.
It definitely does.
Because when I have a gun, which is never, but when I shot one at like one of the gun ranges, my security went up because my baseline is no gun.
Right.
So once I had one, I was like, ooh, I feel like a superhero.
Like, this is incredible.
Yeah.
Especially when you're good with it.
I wasn't.
Yeah, yeah.
He's not good.
Yeah, he's not.
That shit goes back.
You got to train wrists or something.
Yeah, no, I mean, I ain't going.
I mean, I got to train wrists, bro, because that shit goes back.
How do you keep it from doing that?
If in order for me to hit the bull gun, what kind of gun?
Say what?
What kind of gun did you shoot?
Yeah, you got the right shoes.
That's also another thing.
That kickback was crazy, bro.
That's crazy.
No, What?
He just judged you.
I had a problem, bro.
Oh, that's why.
Yeah.
That fat motherfucker.
That's what he had.
Fat motherfucker.
Yeah, like me.
Like me, bro.
I'm chilling.
Like, I just, I like it about palm size, about that.
And I already don't got big hands.
So, like, you know, like I said, the Hellcat Pro.
Shout out Springfield, not million me, the Hellcat Pro, Smith.
So the whole gun is fitting right here.
Hell yeah.
Do you ever, like, I'm not going to ask you if you've shot somebody, but is there ever a part of you that's like, that'd be kind of fun?
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
I was kind of unsure of answering it, but yeah, man.
Like, fuck it.
Like, if they, if they ran up in your house, I knew, I'd be like, we grew up shooting paintballs at each other.
So that was fun.
Just imagine a fucking you seeing, like, imagine doming somebody and like, because I've heard military stories, like, this dude sniped this one dude and like he saw the bodies kick the legs kept moving, but like his whole chest and up was like gone.
Like a chicken with a head cut off.
Right.
But he's still walking.
Wow.
Yeah.
So like, I bet that shit's wild.
I bet it is.
Definitely, bro.
That's why they shoot someone's head off and they keep moving.
Yeah, dude.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
We don't know if I could do it.
I mean, if they were running at me with guns or something like that, definitely.
Yeah.
Protection.
Yeah, without a doubt.
But I'm not a savage like that.
I can't just.
You know what they did in New York sometimes on some of the projects uptown?
They would freeze the paintballs.
Oh, yeah.
The night before?
Yeah.
Me and my kinfolk do that.
That's some whole ass shit, but we definitely did.
But the nice thing about the projects in New York is that everybody walks by your building.
It's not like if you live in a house somewhere, it's rare.
It's your neighbors walking by, so you can't shoot your neighbors, but it's tourists walking by or whatever.
So they're just right out the window sniping people.
Yeah.
Frozen paintballs.
Some whole ass shit.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I bet it was fun for him.
Good times.
Good times.
Yeah, for sure.
Damn, bro.
Two ARs in the car, man.
Yeah.
Have you ever had to pull the AR out?
Yeah, hell yeah.
And to get like a number or something?
Or like, what do you do?
Nah, just.
Excuse me.
Just, you know what I'm saying?
Motherfucker just needs some act right.
No way.
Yeah.
Like someone pulled up?
Nah, like, like.
Like, there's been scenarios like where I've been around because I used to part, we used to throw a lot of land parties.
What's that?
Like, you just got acres and field parties.
Yeah, just field party landscape.
Got a bonfire going.
Hell yeah.
Be chilling, got the cars around, four-wheelers out there.
You know what I'm saying?
Good music.
Everybody smoking.
Anyways, there's a lot of motherfuckers over there.
There's not even no gangster shit over there.
It's like motherfucker just be on drugs tripping, you know, pills and shit like that.
So they thinking they Superman.
I don't know.
The last thing I ever want to do is shoot you.
I'm definitely going to beat your ass up.
But I don't want to have to shoot you.
And one time I didn't feel like fighting this motherfucker.
You know what I'm saying?
I was like, look, bro, I'm not in the mood right now.
I'm going to shoot you in your foot.
And, you know what I'm saying?
Like, he kept talking and shit.
I pulled that big motherfucker out.
Like I said, these guns, he got to look like they came from the aliens.
So like, you know, I got titty on that muff, titties on that motherfucker.
Titty.
The hunter round drum.
50 on 50.
And then, you know, the bullet drums, all the bullets.
Like I got the homie gun from the fucking.
Yeah, but there's two.
And I got them on an AR, AR 15.
The circle shit at the bottom.
Yeah.
With the bullets.
But we call it rounds.
It rotates with rounds.
It's full of rounds.
I didn't even know you knew this.
I just learned through osmosis or whatever being in Texas.
Pull that motherfucker out.
He saw eyes went big and shit like that.
Where are you hiding the gun if it has the big circle to the bottom?
I'll bet from his angle, I look like fucking CJ off San Andreas.
You know what I'm saying?
But in all reality, right here.
So I pulled it out the bed of the truck and was like, say, bitch.
And then what'd he do?
He froze up.
And, you know, of course, started acting right and shit.
But, you know, but.
You know, a lot of 90 shit.
Have you seen Don't Be a Menace to South Central?
Of course.
That scene with Marlon where they do, we have that.
Like that's you at all times.
No, yeah, definitely.
I mean, shit, you got to get like that sometimes.
You know, I forgot who I was talking to about it, but homeboy.
And oh, it had to have been somebody in Cali because he was like, I feel like guns is going to be good here.
You know, because I'm telling them, Texas, we got guns and shit like that.
He was like, yeah, I feel like it's going to be good because some motherfuckers might die, but it's okay.
Because you have to have examples.
You have to have examples.
There's a perfect moment of you in an interview trying to say some serious shit.
Just clip that right there.
Some motherfuckers might die, but it's okay.
For real.
Because examples have to be made.
It's kind of like, you know, you go to jail.
Like, if this motherfucker fuck with you, I have to knock you out.
Because if I don't, this motherfucker going to see it and he gonna try and fuck with me.
Then he gonna see it and he gonna try and that's why I think so.
I feel like some, some bodies might drop for sure, but like motherfuckers gonna be like oh, they got guns on society, like prison, that's basically.
I mean shit.
My dad came out.
He was like prison, taught me how to politic with everybody oh wow, everybody.
He said.
That made me a political ass motherfucker.
I came out and became a beast.
Interesting because in order to survive there you can't, and he solo, he want gang affiliated solo.
So he got a really politic.
You see, you see what I'm saying.
But my dad, he's always held it's like bro, my dad, he's.
I fell from that nuts with the energy he got and like he, like for real bro, for real bro.
I fell from a great ass sack of nuts man like that was dog bro.
Like he just got this energy, and you know, people already respect him, and the way he carries himself, you know, he just comes correct.
So, a lot of people respect him.
Like, there were some people that, like, everybody wanted him to be down.
And he'd be like, you know, with all due respect, I love what you got going on.
I respect it, but it's not for me.
And one time, somebody was like, oh, I thought you were somebody.
My dad was like, I am somebody.
Whoa, yeah.
And like, you know, just from him, like, sticking up and like, you know, being who Chuck is, you know, he got a lot of respect in that.
But, you know, he definitely learned how to be a political ass motherfucker.
Did you ever say he was scared in there?
Hell yeah.
Every day.
Really?
I'm sure shit.
You know what I'm saying?
There ain't no way you can't be.
Like, you out, you got to be in that motherfucker watching your back 24/7.
Did he tell you that, though?
Yeah, bro.
I'm sure.
Because he's told me a lot of crazy ass stories.
He's seen somebody, he saw, like, he heard, he was in the store, he was in his cell, and he heard like a basketball game, like all the shoes, like, you know, all the shoes squeaking and shit.
And then next thing you know, somebody just falls.
He's had his head busted like a watermelon.
Whoa.
I mean, that's a concrete floor.
That makes sense.
Yeah, you fall from about three, four stories.
And that's why you need trampolines in prison.
Yeah, exactly.
Think about that.
Because then you can bounce all the way back up.
Exactly.
Let's keep going.
Yeah, they keep fighting.
I feel like if they had trampoline, I feel like if they had trampolines in prison, like, I think it'd be good.
Like, you know, kind of like how they try to make football teams.
I think they can have, you know, some trampoline team.
Good playtime.
Yeah.
Just chill out.
It's really helping me squash the beef, man.
Yeah, definitely.
Bro, because that weight shit, like, motherfuckers are getting their head squished by 45-pound plates, you know?
Oh, because they're fighting with it.
Yeah, fuck.
Yeah, I'm sure.
Yeah.
That's a vulnerable thing.
And then people in prison, the trustees.
What's that mean?
All right, when you're in, you become a trustee, like you work your way up, being trustable.
You can like, you can drive the tractors, you can go out there and you're serving the food in the kitchen.
You know, you just have good jobs.
Like, so you get a little easier.
The trustees, I didn't want to say it, but he said the house.
Yeah, it's low.
He gave some respect.
Nah, because a lot of them are white.
A lot of trustees.
But if you're in prison, that wouldn't be safe.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, those are motherfuckers you should not be.
But if white people were slaves too, they would probably have them in the house.
You know what I mean?
Like, they would put them in.
I don't know how tuna, but I was told that the first black slave owner was a black man.
I don't know how true that is, bro.
I feel like I wish I was educated in Texas, bro.
That's just so much better.
Texas history is awesome.
It's so much better.
Black people started it.
Y'all know the trendy, and we're like, ooh, okay.
White people just always steal from black people.
That's what it is.
We just copy all this shit.
Okay, so what's up with the trustees?
I don't know.
White people got it going on, man.
Right, though?
I think y'all kidding some shit.
We got girls who killed the pussies for sure.
They killed his pussy.
White People Got It Going On00:03:33
That's fat.
That's true.
There's no pinker.
Hey, yeah, y'all know Uncle.
You know, Uncle Ruggas.
Yeah, yeah.
I always say that.
Thank God for the white white man.
Are they throwing it at you now?
Huh?
Are they throwing it at you now?
Okay, even beforehand, I've always loved white women.
But hey, as I got older, I saw a lot of black women love me as a kid, and I was like, no, like, I don't want that.
And as I got older and looked back at it, I'm like, I probably passed up some topic.
Yeah, you missed something.
So you had to mature into it.
Yeah, like till then, I've never had a white woman is for young people.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
What'd you say?
You'll grow out of it.
White woman, that's it for young minor people.
He never had it.
He never tasted it.
He never seen that pink, bro.
Lucky for me, I was fat and ugly when I was a bad person.
That's a whole different ballgame.
It is a whole different ballgame.
Who gives the best head?
Which race?
I feel like all fat hoes, dude.
It's not even a freak.
Fat hoes are a race, though.
Fat hoes are a race.
You seen them on a trampoline, bro.
That's bro.
That's crazy.
If you got animals on a trampoline, bro, they can break it, dude.
You gotta get.
Yeah, that's true.
That's how they get oil out of serious face.
Fuck, dude.
So, fat hoes, you think, give the best head.
Man, they eat that.
It looks like they sneeze on it.
Ops.
That's a nice sneeze.
You know what I'm saying?
You should have allergy reactions.
You ever had it, bro?
You ever had a woman fully put all your mouth and lick your balls?
That's when I was like, whoa.
Yeah, it's different.
And sneeze at the same time.
Okay.
You say, bless you.
Yeah.
It is different.
But also, it's like, you got to act like it's a struggle a little.
Don't do it too easy.
Like the girl, I don't want you to just make me feel like this goes down easy.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, she's all talking with it in, right?
Yeah.
If you want to go to the movies later, it's like, I need that.
Yeah, definitely.
At least fake it.
Yeah, fake it.
I think women don't understand the importance of faking it.
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Peace.
I was talking to this girl one time and I was fucking smacking that shit down, bro.
And then I fucking, you know, I nutted everywhere.
And she goes, oh, I'm sorry, Papi, I didn't nut.
I popped a perk.
I was like, bitch, I don't give a damn.
Why are you telling me this?
It's like the biggest turnoff that I was ever told.
Sorry, I didn't nut.
I popped a perk.
It's traumatizing.
Yeah, it fucks you up.
What does perks do?
What do they do?
I guess they make it go.
I don't know.
Bro, I took a perk once.
I told a girl I loved her.
Because I did it for a dental reason.
I had like.
Was she your dentist?
You told the aura hygienist?
I just easily came out of it.
I love you, God.
No.
No, it was.
Yeah, I had a tooth removed or something like that, but I was feeling so warm and fuzzy and amazing.
But yeah.
Yeah, I got a tooth right now that's shattered.
I got to get all four of my teeth pulled the wisdom because I never got them pulled out.
I always had room.
Somebody would never fuck my teeth up.
But now I think I grind my teeth in my sleep.
Do the grills fuck it up?
Nah, hell no.
Dental Reasons for Perks00:02:57
Like, do you have the same, like, I need to keep my teeth as white as possible because I don't have something covering them.
Yeah.
I mean, shit, there's places you can get them whitened.
You know, you can go to the dentist and get them whitened.
My buddy, my buddy Moncy, he did like two sessions of it.
I know, bro.
I'm not from Texas.
What I'm saying is, you're walking out every day and you got these like beautiful grills in.
So you don't have the same like pressure motivation to keep your shit white.
If my teeth aren't white, everybody's going to see that.
If his teeth aren't white, everybody's going to be, oh, he's got yellow teeth.
You got to have yellow teeth under there.
Nobody cares.
So do you ever feel it?
Like, when I pull them out, do I feel shit on the bottom?
Are you ever like, I got a brush?
I got to keep that shit.
Really?
Hell yeah.
I feel like that all the time, especially because I smoke a lot.
Not only do I smoke, I smoke these woods.
Shout out to Slapwoods, but I smoke woods.
I thought this was a New York thing, the backwood.
Backwood.
Yeah.
We do Dutchesses.
Yeah.
And operos.
Y'all do like it.
And I ain't going to lie.
Y'all fuck me up when I find out about spliffs.
Wait, why?
Because you like the tobacco in it a little bit?
I mean, I guess, because this is tobacco, but I'm not going to put grabber or what do y'all call it?
Grabber?
No, tobacco.
Tobacco and weed is a spliff.
Yeah, fuck that.
Or what's the shit that's made out of the tar, the made out of the resin?
Yeah, grabbing.
Put it in Europe.
Isn't that what it's called?
Grabber or something?
There's another name for it.
Hash.
Rosin.
Yeah, yeah, I like I like Ross, not so much of a hash, all right.
Um, you're 24 years old, I love cocaine, wait a while, yeah.
Well, see, I was gonna ask a different question, but now we go into the cocaine, dude.
One time, listen, I was on shout out, West Columbia, shout out to all my country boys.
This is when I drank and I used to drink with my white boys, they used to get me off.
Yeah, so listen, it's like I well, at first, I'd be like, How the fuck are they drinking all night and like staying up?
It'd be like midnight.
I'm like, fuck.
Then I discovered what cocaine was.
Oh, what was that first night?
The first time you did cocaine, what happened?
I think I punched myself.
Yeah, I was fucking tweaked.
Your own worst enemy sometimes, bro.
Yeah, that'll happen.
So, look, anyways, oh man, maybe a freshman?
How old are you?
Freshman in high school, 14 years old.
Yeah.
Okay.
Something like that.
I remember being in school.
Me and my buddy, we'd be passing the fucking look, like the 22 underneath the stars.
No.
Sitting in there like we're shitting and fucking hitting.
You wouldn't coke in school.
I had a homegirl.
I had a homegirl that I sat next to, and she always had, like, she was very pretty, but for something, like, we just never hit on each other.
We were always cool.
And man, I'd be in cocaine with her in class.
No.
Yeah.
We was in the corner of the class.
She'd like fucking pull her nail out like that.
Did it make you better at school?
Yeah, but you're raising your hands.
This is why he thinks black people start slavery.
Fishing with an Alligator00:12:08
They start.
It's his fault.
Who the fuck is that guy?
Coke in class is crazy.
That is like a thing.
His parents never gave him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So easy.
Yeah.
And it's raw, bro.
I remember one time I was fishing.
Me and Buddy Billy were fishing, hitting cocaine.
I came back and I remember I told him.
Cocaine while fishing might be crazier than cocaine.
Fishing is cocaine.
No, literally going fishing.
Me and my grandpa used to cut grass and sip drink together.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
But cocaine and fishing feels like it doesn't go together.
Hell yeah.
Cause I'll be out there like this, just waiting, just waiting.
Stupid.
Staring at the pole.
I ain't never, I know, I know ain't nothing getting past me.
You don't got to do nothing, bro.
It doesn't have to get past you.
I never knew one person who did coconut still.
Doing coconut sit still is pretty much.
I'm sure I'm not sitting still.
I'm sure my leg like that, but I'm full-on focus.
Like I'm fishing the shit.
Did you catch any fish?
Hell yeah.
Gaw.
Eight foot gaw.
Six foot gaw.
Oh, really?
Smack that bitch back to my cousin Homer and he cook it.
Wow.
But we hog hunt.
We be hog hunting.
We, you know what I'm saying?
So you in the helicopter.
Yeah, hog hunting.
Fire.
So, okay, I thought that this is like a novelty thing.
That's a real thing you could do in Texas.
Can you explain that?
They want you to.
Yes.
We got land, so we just go wherever our lands are and they be out there.
You know what I'm saying?
But like when I know that was my first time actually going in a helicopter.
Normally when we go, I'll be in the bed of the truck and Kenfolk driving and we right here.
And anytime you see a pig, fire game over.
Game over.
Because they're a nuisance.
They fuck up people's land.
They fuck up crop.
You know what I'm saying?
They're out there like they just for destruction.
Thank you.
Just for destruction.
So the government is basically saying, yo, you can kill these motherfuckers however you want.
Yeah.
And are you selling them?
You cooking them?
Sometimes we just leave them there.
Get out of here.
And then the other animals just come and devour them.
Cycle of life.
Damn right.
Peter alligator.
Damn right.
You guys got gators?
Hell yeah.
I thought that's a Florida house.
See, I didn't know that.
Bro, our Gulf of Mexico is infested with gators because all of our rivers flow into the strait of the mouth of the Gulf.
That's why our beach is so dirty.
Alligators everywhere.
We'd be golfing over there in Bay City and there'd be alligators on a golf course.
I seen that, but I always thought it was just a Florida thing.
I had a homeboy named Cameron Pye.
He really wasn't my homeboy.
He was my kinfuck homeboy, but this motherfucker was legally lunatic on papers.
And I seen Scott.
I promise to you, bro.
It was gone.
Legally lunatic.
Homebaby's legally lunatic.
He wasn't an illegal lunatic.
There's a lot of illegal lunatics out there, bro.
This guy had a license.
He's crazy.
You're acting crazy right now.
I know.
Yeah.
I have a purpose.
I got a badge, motherfucker.
Like, bro, like, nah, I'm not like he's on papers.
Like, was in the loony house or that.
Okay.
Anyways, he just like a baby alligator.
It's probably about three.
I promise to you.
About three miles, however big by three.
It was about three feet.
And he got, I remember he got on top of that hoe and he tried wrestling it.
And I was like, you got a lot of white friends, so what happened with him?
Nah, of course, like, of course, it fucked him up.
I'm like, he got scratches everywhere and shit, but it's a baby alligator.
He put, he jumped on that motherfucker.
He put his hand on his head like this, jumped on the back, and it tried to ride, but it started turning.
And then it just got away.
An alligator can't run zigzag, but if it's running straight, that motherfucker gone.
So it did like that death, that death tour, whatever the fuck they call that shit, and then got away.
Yeah.
Cameron fucking stupid, though.
What happened to him?
He probably somewhere shit.
I don't know.
He's doing some wild shit.
I honestly like they need to lock that motherfucker up because he's crazy.
What is the wildest thing you saw him do?
Bro, all right.
So look, we used to party hard.
And like me and my kinfolks, when we would go to parties, we wouldn't go to party dressed up like this.
Like we would, I'd have my shoes tied up to the max, shorts on, t-shirt, like, you know, the gem t-shirt.
I'm ready to go beat nigga up.
You know, like, we get, you know what I'm saying?
We go over there, like, just on some fuck shit every time.
You know what I'm saying?
Hit that dust now.
Oh, we in the, and I used to be on shrooms, too.
Like, bro, we used to, I used to, bro, my body used to not know how to feel.
Like, I used to be on cocaine, acid, fucking, and ecstasy at the same time.
Exos, like those little dolphins.
I remember those dolphin ones, those blue ones.
Remember the blue ones that hit the hardest?
I remember we were in that phase.
Anyways, I wanted to tell you this cocaine story that I had.
I was in the Dub and I drank it with my boys.
It's like seven, eight o'clock in the morning.
And Ty lived like three houses down from my grandpa.
That's Cameron Ty, your friend.
No, no, that's Cameron Pie.
Pie.
This is Ty, Ty Griffin, but we call him Tyrone.
Okay.
And short ass white boy cuck got Lil Man Syndrome.
Anyways, I'm the only one left, right?
And I know my grandpa's already up.
I'm finna walk over there and go chill with him.
And I'm gonna hit one more bump.
And I fucking, I always got an onion on me.
And I got a fuck is happening right now.
What do you mean?
Like, I ate all of cocaine.
Oh, I thought you actually met the job.
Come on, bro.
Fuck it.
The way he paused for a second.
He likes trampoline, bro.
He's got cocaine a story, bro.
He came over with a fucking onion if he had a bad thing.
It's a cocaine storage thing.
All right, go to the bottom.
It's Tech Window 2.0.
I'm fucking hit this hole, right?
And I'm fucking, I just, I remember having a dust in my hand, and I look at it, and I just, I don't even remember falling.
I think I blacked out and boom, I woke up and I was on the floor.
I'm like, fuck.
I look at my left.
I look to my right.
I ain't seen nobody there.
And I'm like, fuck, I'm not like, nobody can help me.
I'm tripping.
Like, I'm like, fuck.
I look at my left.
I see that dust nigga.
He's not a line.
Got my bitch ass up.
Walked home to grandpa.
Smoked like a joint of some Reggie with him and went to bed.
That was just a Tuesday for you.
For real.
Shout out, Grandpa.
You know, it's buddy.
Shout out, Grandpa.
The first thing I asked him when he came here, I was like, Do you want something to drink?
He goes, Nah, man, I don't drink.
He's not crazy.
I can't get on that shit.
That's just wild.
It's not that I can't get on it.
I'm wild.
And that's why I don't get on it.
I just know my body.
I know how I am.
And I don't like how I act on it.
So you're a little more confrontational on the alcohol than you are the drugs?
I get mean, bro, on drugs.
I just be happy.
Like, give me a hug, man.
You know, like, I'm friendly on that shit.
Shrooms.
I just want to smile.
And who introduced you to that?
I want to know more about the characters you grew up with.
I actually had this girl that fucking slutted me out.
And she fucking threw me on the shrooms.
What you mean she slutted you out?
You were an innocent little boy?
Yeah.
And then what?
And then what did this girl do?
Bad things.
What type of bad things?
She ate it, bro.
She ate it, didn't she?
She ate it.
You remember the first time a girl eats her ass, bro?
It changes everything.
I was just going to say, like, next thing is my legs in the air.
I'm like.
It's crazy that you do that, right?
Because you would never think you would do it.
I felt like she was going to put me a missionary.
I was like, yo, what is this?
But it's kind of nice, though, right?
When she went down for the first time, did you know what she was going for?
Hell no.
I was just like, I didn't even know what she was doing until I really looked and I was like, well, I'm good.
I'm good.
No, I'm good.
Thank you.
You had to look.
You had to investigate.
I just, I couldn't.
Like, I felt like I looked and she put her hand on my chest, like, lay down.
Yeah, chill out.
Give me the baby wipe.
How old were you?
How old was she?
Because if you were like 15 and she was eating ass at 14, that'd be crazy.
No, she was definitely the older than me.
She was like 21, 22, maybe this year.
Oh, crap.
Yeah, she was grown.
So, like, I don't care.
She should let me.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, she took advantage of this guy.
That's what I'm thinking.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're right.
She probably did.
You got molested.
She got molested in your ass.
You're a victim.
And then she put you on drugs.
Shit.
Wow.
Okay.
I mean, I ain't going to say she molested me because it got to the point like I'd come home and I'd be like, hey, do that thing.
Did she ever tell you not to?
She ever shits like, I don't feel like it.
Hell no.
Interesting.
Did you wash up before?
Like, did you take care of everything?
Sometimes.
Like, I tried to.
Sometimes she just threw me on the.
Damn.
And you eat Mexican food all day and shit.
She's eating.
She's eating Mexican food, too.
I don't even think I was eating at the time.
Yeah, because you went vegan for her.
No, hell no.
My grandma, dude, like, my grandma can't cook for shit.
I remember I used to have to put A1 sauce on the enchiladas, right?
So like, I probably wasn't even eating a lot.
And I just, you know, me rolling, I'm like, I don't want to eat.
Give me something to smoke.
So you had the cleanest asshole in Texas, and she found you, and her passion was eating ass.
I ain't going to say it was the cleanest, but I'd be sweating all day for so.
It was definitely swamp ass down there.
That's Texas.
She was called for it.
Hell yeah.
Dude, yeah, I remember the first time I got my ass hate.
And then the second time I asked for it, and I got rejected.
Damn.
Dude, that was brutal.
I seen this video.
A fucking Slim Thug posted a video.
These two couples.
They were kissing, and the girl threw up and then dude smiled.
Oh, that was snarling, dude.
How did someone get that on camera?
That's amazing.
Hell no, bro.
What a video.
There's no way that shit was.
They're just making out.
It's like a drunk couple.
They're making out.
And then Shorty throws up in his mouth.
Yeah, and then they both spit it out.
Snarling.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
Don't pull that up, Mark.
I mean, do it.
It's open carry state.
How you not kill that bitch out there?
How old were you when two girls in one cup came out?
Oh, yeah.
You remember the first time someone showed you?
Yeah.
I remember I was like fucking dick in the hand ready.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm like, fuck.
And then next thing you know, I see her pull this cup and she shits in it.
I was like.
Yeah, you're like, what is going on over here?
You were 24.
You came right there?
No.
No.
That was horrible.
That would have been horrible too.
2008.
Right?
It's like you're jacking off your nut, right?
When the camera goes to the dude.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, bad time.
Bad timing.
Okay.
That was the first time I had to do it.
And then, like, every, I don't know about y'all, but every time I do it, I'll be like, why the fuck I had to do that?
So, like, you definitely regret it after that.
So, you say you already regretting jerking off.
Every time afterwards.
Every single time.
Every.
I've never jacked off in afterwards.
Was like, yeah.
Like, the bum ass.
I remember, I mean, don't get it twisted.
I did.
I remember in the fifth grade, I ran up like almost abandoned porn on Dish Network.
I didn't realize how quick $13 added up.
And then I'm buying.
And I'm buying these motherfuckers right.
Like, now she's not tight.
Boom, buy a new one.
I'm knocking about eight out a day, right?
My nanny, hey, when I finally got caught, I heard my nanny talking to my popping downstairs, and she was like, I was wondering if he kept sleeping with the door open.
I mean, with the door closed.
Yeah.
Yeah, fucking nanny.
You know, taking two-hour showers and shit, macking that shit down.
What'd your dad said?
What'd your dad said when he found out he spent a thousand dollars on me?
He ate that shit up.
He liked it.
Hey, well, I'm talking about I'm in Austin.
He's talking to his boy getting a headcut.
He's like, tell me what you did.
Were you embarrassed at all?
I mean, at first I was, but then I saw my dad laughing at it, so I was like, man, fuck it.
I'm fuck it.
You know, I had to give up my birthday money and Christmas money for that shit.
That was the punishment?
Yeah.
To pay for it?
Yeah, my popping was like, yeah, what the fuck?
You think I'm paying for this shit?
No.
And was it on the computer you were buying it?
No, on TV, like on Dish Network.
Like in the living room?
Yeah, downstairs, upstairs.
Hell yeah.
How old are you?
I just turned 24.
When this happened.
Oh, I was fifth grade.
Fifth grade.
Fifth grade.
10-11.
Hell yeah.
10-11.
I remember knocking them hoes out before and after baseball practice.
You know what I'm saying?
Two days.
Yeah, two days.
I was buying them hoes.
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Wow.
And then, like I said, I buy one back.
She's not my type.
Got to get another one.
You know, because you just have the name.
You don't have pictures.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, back in the day, bro.
Right.
It's changed now.
And then, and then I was fucked up when I found out that it came on for free at like midnight or in the morning.
That's how to get you, bro.
No, but that's that soft porn shit.
Like, you don't even see dick and pussy.
Like, bitch, I need.
Oh, no, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I don't like that soft porn.
You ever get tricked?
You ever get tricked?
Feel me tricked.
Like with a trans chick in the porn?
Oh, fuck no.
You never got tricked?
Oh, no, I'm not.
Like, you clicked the porn and then a dick popped up out of nowhere?
I mean, no, I don't think so.
Yeah, you went in there.
My boy, who will remain nameless that you all know this weekend?
He goes, he goes, all right, all right, all right.
Hypothetical.
And you already know it's going to be crazy.
Come on, Tim.
He goes, he goes, he goes.
He goes, okay.
You just get in head.
Yeah.
Okay.
The hottest trans girl ever or the ugliest girl girl ever.
That's a fire.
You just getting head.
The hottest trans girl ever or the ugliest girl girl ever.
Let's put out a disgusting girl so we know what it looks like.
Put one out.
I mean, I'll just search one.
Yeah, let's do that.
How trans?
How trans is she?
Nudge, the hottest trans girl.
Because she had the parts.
You just get in head, bro.
Damn, that's disrespectful.
Yeah, don't show that.
Don't show that.
Or that's like disformity.
Or disformity.
Disformity.
Disformity.
Or one of these.
As a training.
Oh, all right.
I ain't gonna lie, not knowing, I'll smack that down.
That's the thing.
That's the thing.
Not knowing, yes.
But here's the thing: you know, the hypothetical is you know, but one is just awful looking, and the other is the hottest trans chick.
Man, fuck it.
I go with the ugly hoe.
I could do that.
Now, here's my other one.
Okay?
This is next level.
Getting head.
Trans dude or trans chick.
Trans dude means born a woman, but now got a beard and everything like that.
But got the vagina.
And was born a woman, but now has a full beard.
But it's technically a woman, right?
Or trans chick.
Come on.
Right?
Looks like the girl.
Ain't no thing for me, bro.
I like Indian girls.
Little facial hair ain't hurt your boy.
You know what I mean?
Okay, Akash.
Alex, go.
I'm good.
What's up, Mark?
That's crazy.
Come on.
You gotta answer, bro.
Beard.
She got a beard, bro.
I feel like we all want to say the dude that's a girl.
That's what.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like women, so I'm going to go with the one that looks most like a woman.
I think we all broke.
You kind of have to.
You're going to let a beard be under broken.
I like how political he was.
He was like, I'm not going to say I am.
I know.
But we believe we are.
I speak for the group when I say this.
No problem.
I'm like, collectively, yeah, that's a good thing.
If you agreed with it, that was your shot.
What do you want for that one, bro?
Say what?
What do you think?
I ain't answer that gay shit.
I don't want to answer that gay shit, bro.
What the fuck is wrong with y'all?
But you got to ask me, right?
Yeah, come on.
No, I couldn't.
The beard.
Nah, there's no way.
There's no way.
You can't do beard, bro.
You can't put your dick in a beard.
I'm just saying.
How?
I'm talking about a five o'clock shot.
No, I'm talking about Duck Dinosaur.
Bailey.
Duck Dino.
Yes, yes.
Yeah, see?
No, it's different than that.
It's a little five o'clock shot.
There's nothing but a Dominican.
Yours to do yours.
No, yours ain't even new.
It needs to be full fucking beard.
Nah, you're a lot of lake of it.
You need to do your beard?
I mean.
Oh, okay.
Nah, yeah.
Yeah, there we go.
Now you got to be gay.
Now you want to be gay.
Now you want.
You're not even real.
You're not going to really argue.
I'm not gay shit.
Do you see me?
I'm about that life.
Excuse me.
Come on, bro.
Yeah, that's you guys.
I like that.
Nice little clear polish on your jersey.
I just don't like dirty fingers.
I bust weed down.
You see that?
But clear polish is different than queer.
Respect.
What do you think of this, though?
What's your take on that?
I think he's doing a good job of it.
There you go.
There you go.
If you like it, I love it.
Me right here, I just do it because I just like being clean.
It looks clean.
It looks sharp, business-wise, you know?
Yeah.
Do you get your toes done too?
Hell nah.
I do get my feet massaged.
I get them clipped.
I get them waxed.
I get the bad shit, dead shit.
But you want to put a clear polish on?
Nah.
I did it once to see if I liked it.
I was like, fuck no, never again.
Why?
Because I don't know, bro.
I was just listening to this bitch, and she was like, yeah, you do it.
And I was like, all right.
The other funny shit you said in the interview, you're talking about the Johnny Dang song, right?
You'd be like, yeah, he's a part of Houston culture, blah, blah, blah.
And then you just interrupt.
I think it was, was it Boulevard Cap?
Maybe.
Shout out to Boulevard Cap.
Yeah.
But great interview.
He goes, and then you go, yeah, the song really ain't about him.
It's just about having Asian-looking eyes when you're high.
Yeah, being high.
I mean, yeah, honestly, but we'll run with it.
But we got to get you a happy ending massage.
Yeah.
We were talking about that before.
That's on your bucket list.
We got those in New York.
No, I don't want to.
I want, dude, I want, I want.
The Disney Disney.
You know what I'm saying?
He's a trans talk to get you going.
Once it starts, that's a good thing.
Devantis is right.
Okay, so wait, what do you mean?
Do you want it?
I think I want to, I want to, like, I want to get ate up.
Like, I want a bitch to fucking eat me up, and then I just want to be laying there while I know.
I want the hoe to throw a towel on me and be like, clean yourself.
You want them to tell you to clean.
Yeah.
Clean yourself.
I want, I'm trying to get a little bit more.
Gossed around a little bit.
Nah, not boss around.
I just want a woman like that.
I don't know.
Yeah.
That's okay.
I don't want to be slutted out.
You want to be slutted out.
Yeah.
Because it happened to you at a young age.
So you're still crazy.
Bro, you know what's crazy?
Because when I'm fucking, I like choking.
I like that shit.
I like when they push me away.
And then, you know, I sat there and thought of it.
Consensually.
Consensually.
Lots of fun.
Yeah, yeah.
There you go.
But you know what?
You know, my boy.
Man, you know.
Okay.
He did this for you.
If you like it, I love it.
That's what he just said, bro.
Yeah, there you go.
That shit.
That shit that y'all do.
I don't know.
Like, I don't know.
So, shit.
Anyways, I'm sitting here.
You like rough sex.
I think that's a better way to phrase it than them pushing you away.
Yeah, yeah.
That's why I like trampolines.
Because trampoline is like, get out of here.
I'm coming back.
Oh, fuck.
No, but yeah, then I was like, fuck, there was this movie that was recorded.
And I remember I used to fucking masturbate to this scene.
And it was this dude.
And like, I guess they were fucking, he had ran through, you know what I'm saying?
And it was like basically fucking taking shit over.
And then that's when I was like, damn, that's crazy.
That's crazy how like little shit you pay attention to when you're a kid, it fucks you up like that older.
Like, I ain't gonna lie, I got this tattoo on my neck, and it's a, it's a, it's a clown, it's a circus clown, and two clowns right here smoking a cigarette.
Other dude looks crazy, and I got it because, like, bro, he said, I'm very polluted up here, like, very polluted.
And you mean from drugs, or you think you think it's from everything Steve's observed?
Yeah, everything, bro.
I remember, I remember, bro, my all right, so look, my mama was like, there'd be people at my house fucked up.
Fucked up.
Cause like, you know, my mom and her man, they were dealing drugs, you know.
Oh, really?
Yeah, like, and I've seen a lot of fucked up shit.
Is your mom or your stepmom?
This is my real mom.
Okay.
My mom, man, my mom was a thug, bro.
Real?
Yeah, my mom would walk around Bay City, fucking ask him over to run up on me.
Like, where my money at?
No.
Yeah, bro.
Hell yeah.
Are you with her?
Yeah, I've been around her some crazy times.
Like, I've been around her when, like, she got into some fights for sure.
But for the most part, I was taking care of by my Uncle Mo, my The Sam, you know, because my The Sam was younger than them.
So they would come over there and they come hang out, you know.
And my mom was having me at a young age, so she would be out still being a kid, you know.
And my mom was crazy as fuck, though.
My cousin Homer said one time my Thesam, my mama had smacked him in the back of the head with a fucking brick of cocaine, huh?
He was like, Yeah, he was like, you know, where that shit at?
And she was like, man, it's over there.
And he's like, where?
And she, because, you know, she's not a morning person, I guess.
She got up, irritated as fuck.
Yeah, bitch, smacked him on the head with it.
And that's what she was selling mostly, cocaine?
Yeah, crack, crack coconut, crack cook.
No fear.
Man, my mama was fucking wild.
She was savage, like 5'3.
Really?
Yeah.
And do you talk to your family about that?
Like, how does she have the courage to do it?
It's just such an odd position for a woman to be in where she's going to be like an enforcer, too.
Shit, she from Palashes in Bay City.
You know what I'm saying?
You have no choice but to, especially at that time, you had to, you know, you got to be, it's a man-eat-man out there.
It was that crazy.
Yeah, women, women was getting picked up off the tracks, beat the fuck up, and under the bleachers, you know, at the football field.
Get out of it.
I promise you that.
I'm sure that's why they knocked the bleachers down now, you know what I'm saying?
And it's crazy.
My nanny used to go walk that track all the time.
You know, I remember being a kid walking that track with her.
For exercise.
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
Okay, so mom's in the game, and your mom and dad were together.
Nah, they were like one of my mama told my daddy.
My mom was a punk-ass nigga.
She told my dad she had birth control.
And then, yeah.
Yeah, God is that.
God is ass.
Yeah.
Really?
Hell yeah.
And then your dad is like your biggest fan from every interview I've seen you.
Hell yeah.
Like, supports everybody.
That motherfuckers are savage.
Yeah, he's a savage, man, you know?
And they both told you from the time you were like four that you're gonna not fuck school, you're gonna be a rapper, right?
Yeah, my dad's side of the family, you know what I'm saying?
Like, my dad always wanted me to be correct as I got older.
You know, like, he tried to, he tried to stay on me, but I wasn't going for it.
You know, I wasn't listening to it.
Like, nigga, you fucking up, too.
Yeah.
Shut up.
There's a, it's funny you said you were rapping since you're four because I remember the first time I saw you, it was the Johnny Dank song.
It just came up randomly.
I was on either, you know, Instagram or TikTok and I just scrolled.
And it's the start of your verse, like the beginning.
And I was like, holy shit, this is so musical.
Thank you.
It was, it was the only way I can describe it is like a musical fluency.
And I think this happens.
And that's why I was like, who is this guy?
Like, what the fuck is going on?
I think there's some people that get to instruments, the game, or whatever it is.
I know you can have whoever you.
I'm sorry.
I don't want to throw you off.
I'm getting high too, so I don't want to forget it.
I know you can have anybody on here, bro.
I was a fan before, you know what I'm saying?
And I'm just, I'm grateful, bro.
Respect.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
What I do is what I love.
I'd be doing this shit if I was dead broke and a junkie.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't know what else to do.
But that's the beauty of this.
Like, I remember seeing it and I go, wow, this guy's so musical.
But specifically that is like, and I listened to the whole album and it's the confidence that you have rapping in different ways.
Like there are certain people that have like a cadence.
They have to stick to the cadence.
It's not like, it's not that they're bad, but they have to stick to it because that's their comfort zone and they don't have like a musical fluency.
I'm not a musical expert.
This is just what I'm saying as an outside observer.
Right.
But just seeing the different ways that you're able to rap so comfortably, right?
Even the what's it called song, the Cowboy Killer song is, is, bro, it's blues, bro.
Yeah, hell yeah.
But I grew up jamming that shit.
But that's what I'm saying.
And I think that's what happens.
When I saw an interview, like, I've been doing this, I'm four years old, I go, oh, yeah, it's a language.
It makes sense.
You know how to speak.
Even when I saw the fucking the llama shit, I'm like, how is this fire?
And it's the musicality, right?
It's just you have an instinct for musicality.
And I think that happens since you're, you know, when you're doing something from a young age, it's secondhand to you.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, definitely.
I breathe this shit.
For real?
Did your dad?
Did your dad, was he a musician?
Hell no.
He was just a fucking soccer.
But he would battle like his uncles and shit.
His uncles rapped.
Yeah, my uncle is on my mama's side.
Yeah.
Matter of fact, my uncle Mo, remember, I told you my mom would go out.
My dear Sam was younger.
Her boyfriend was my uncle Moan.
And they've been together since they were like, he was like, she was like a freshman.
He was a sophomore.
And he was rapping.
And my cousin Homer from Bay City was rapping.
And my uncle, Moan, he from Big Springs, Texas, which is West Texas.
Him and my uncle Esco.
They moved to West Columbia.
And, you know, they had family over here.
But anyways, he was always in the studio.
Him, my Moan, Esco, and Homer.
They were always rapping.
They made kick, dough, click.
And then I started rapping with them.
And I was like, I was a kid recording.
You're like the Tiger Woods that rap.
Hell yeah.
Since you were like three, four years old.
Do you have early tracks that never got released?
They recorded when you were like really, really young.
Really?
There's some shit of me like when I was 13 rapping on YouTube.
But do you remember some of your earliest bars?
Nothing?
Interesting.
Do you ever think about revisiting some of your first songs?
Like, I know you said your first song was about your mom.
You ever think about doing that now as an adult, 24 years old, 16 years later, you could probably make that something.
Yeah, I don't think I had it written.
I don't even think I ever recorded that.
I don't even think I have that paper no more.
Yeah, but there's been lyrics that I wrote when I was like in the eighth grade that I use this to this day.
Like a lot of the songs y'all listen to are old-ass lyrics I made just said better.
That's interesting.
Like what?
Like The lawnmower one that kicked over click and said, I don't like snakes in my grass, but I'm mis can I mow it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I used that when I was like probably eighth grade, seventh grade.
Oh, wow, and you just collect them all over time.
Oh, that's cool.
Even I'll be like, I think on like on like on the ride over here, for an example, on the ride over here, I'll see something and like, oh, oh, we're gonna put it in the notes because it'll make me think of a bar.
It's funny, we all do the same shit, right?
Like, even with jokes, like, I was gonna say one thing, like, like I remember if I if I go back to my earliest ideas, some of them are awful and kind of pedestrian, but some of them are like really authentic.
And it's like, oh, shit, I really cared about this one thing, and I didn't know how to make it funny yet, but the idea was there.
There was something really novel there.
Yeah, definitely.
But yeah, that's my whole note function.
It's just like, ooh, this might be an idea.
This might be something.
Yeah.
Someone that you said you grew up on that you really liked that I love is that you always shout out Hobson.
Oh bro, Hobson was an animal, bro.
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He was an animal, dog.
It's interesting.
Not a lot of rappers.
I've used some of his bars before.
Really?
Hell yeah.
Even Big L. Like, I remember I wanted to sound just like Big L when I was.
Bro, I got to understand this because I grew up in New York, huge Big L fan.
I did not know another person outside New York that knew who Big L was.
Bro, you know who put me on?
How the fuck are you 24 years old?
This motherfucker didn't even have papers.
Him and his family didn't even have papers, and I'm in the eighth grade with him.
And he was like, hey, you ever heard of Big L?
I was like, nah, who's that fool?
And he just put some headphones in my ear.
And I think it was like the 98 freestyle that he did.
Crazy.
Yeah.
And ever since then, I've just been in a loophole with him.
Bro, L was so put it on was my shit.
Put it on was great.
There's that great line.
The bad hoes ass beef is like a nothing but that's the line, bro.
He was one of those dudes as a young dude who I cared about like, you know, comedians and being funny, et cetera.
And I saw this rapper who was like, he had crazy hard bars, but it was like really clever.
He had like punchlines built into the bottom.
Forget the yachts, the city cops.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was an animal, bro.
Definitely.
Have you ever heard the devil's son or the devil's advocate or what is it?
I think it's the devil's son.
He said he's the son of the devil.
Yeah, son of the devil.
There you go.
I mean, there's confessions of a dice game, which is great storytelling.
Casualties of the dice.
Or casualties of the dice game.
Yeah, I like, I think the first person that ever fucked me up with storytelling was Nas because he had that rewind.
Rewind?
Crazy.
I'm even telling Charlotte about this because he was like, he was like, I think, he was like, I think, who was it?
Who he said that was way better?
Was it Biggie that he said was way better storytelling than Nash?
Biggie, Ghostface.
Yeah, he said somebody.
Nah, Scarface off from Scarface is nice.
But like, the rewind story from Nas.
One, telling a story is already hard.
Two, rhyming it is hard.
Three, rhyming it backwards.
Right.
Crazy.
Crazy.
That's a whole different animal.
So you were listening to a lot of East Coast shit.
You got to understand.
I was riding around in the car with my mom and dad while they doing what they doing.
I'm soaking all that game up.
My dad jammed the Eagles, rage them against machine, raid against machine, you know, fucking Metallica, 21 Guns, motherfucking, what is that?
That was that 21 guns.
That's it, Green Day.
Green Day.
The Offsprings.
Of course, yeah.
I'm saying all that shit.
What about some chiente, bro?
Santana.
Just there's no, what about Vicente, bro?
Nothing?
No rancheras?
No.
Nothing?
Really?
At my Peppo Chico's, yeah.
But like, I uh, I was only with him from like when I was in Bay City because I'd be at the ranch with him and my cousin Adrian and Michael.
My cousin Michael is cold with that whip.
Adrian, once you want cow shit, it petrifies.
And we would get kick cow shit and throw it in the air.
And Michael with a literal whip.
Yeah, whip it in the air.
That's how accurate he was.
He was a bad motherfucker with that hood.
It was rain shit.
Who was that?
My cousin Michael.
R.I.P. to my cowboy.
Yeah, he died on my 10th birthday, man.
That shit was wild.
That's my cowboy.
And he just worked on the ranch.
Well, my Pepo Chico.
Oh, that's cool.
My Pepo Chico, he died at 99.
He won a plaque from the whole Southern Texas.
He got a plaque, Cowboy of the Century.
Really?
Hell yeah.
That was a bad motherfucker right there.
He cowboyed for the, when I'm doing this rap shit, I want a cowboy.
I saw you on the horse.
I was like, oh, he can ride.
Hell yeah.
And what does that mean to cowboy?
Like, you have your own cattle.
You have your own garden and things like that.
Your stock, you know what I'm saying?
And it's more than that.
You know, like cows, you're going to have to fucking trim their nails.
Horses trim their nails.
You know, bathe these motherfuckers.
It's funny.
Like, in New York, we don't understand what the job of cowboy is.
We think it's just someone who rides a horse.
And I was watching that.
Was it Yellowstone?
I was watching that show and I was like, oh, cowboying is the maintenance.
Yeah, cowboying is a whole lifestyle.
It's a mentality.
Bruh.
Yeah, it's like construction.
In New York, we have construction.
And in Montana, they have cowboy.
So, well, you just have to watch over the horse.
You're moving cattle to different pastures.
Repairing the fence.
Tearing out the shit.
Feed all that shit.
All that shit.
I don't care.
Fucking the, what is it?
Those.
That's another thing.
I've been on a weird rabbit hole on fucking TikTok, cleaning out the horses' hooves and shit.
Yeah, cutting the horses.
That's what I was talking about.
Tripping them nails and shit.
That shit is crazy.
It looks like they're cutting their foot.
Yeah.
Nah, but it's just, it's just, they don't feel that at all.
It's all nail.
It's all.
What is your nail made out of?
Calcium, right?
Yeah.
Carrotine.
My heart is made out of.
That's all.
There you go.
I got a heart conditioner.
How about the calcium on my heart?
Tequila is the only thing I should care about.
I got calcium on my heart.
These little young bucks.
Stop it, bro.
They think that...
Yeah.
I got 39.
I got a question about the cowboy.
That's why I got it.
You make it look good, baby.
Thanks, brother.
I appreciate you.
That's why I was so like, I was stoked about the Big L thing, man.
It's because, I don't know, I've just been such a big fan.
And there was a couple songs that went big.
I remember like even, you're probably too young for this, but there was a...
Ebonics is how I found out about it.
Ebonics was great.
But 106 in Park was playing Put It On.
Yeah.
By Big L?
Yeah.
So it's like, I was like, okay, there's going to be some recognition, et cetera.
And then it kind of moved on.
But I really think that he was one of the most profound rappers for his time.
Like, especially multi-syllabic words.
I think Zero was definitely ahead of his time, too.
Who?
Zero.
Houston guy, right?
Who's Zero?
I don't know.
I think he was like, I remember, he was the person that really started singing with rap.
Just that light skin that I'm with, that mixed breed motherfucker.
We kicked him out for that reason.
Thank you.
Get him out of here.
Get him.
Yeah, yeah.
Nah, anyway, B-Don.
I love how Texas is so technical.
Chat Nick's pretty.
Listen, bro, for real.
Nah, he cool as fuck, though.
Shout out to my boy, man.
Like, he's definitely him.
And there's another one, G-Luck.
Those are two, some bad motherfuckers.
Two of the good ones.
G-NB, G-MB, that's their name.
Anyways, they're cool as fuck.
And not only are they great at what they do, they're highly respected just off Face Card, you know what I'm saying?
So there's a lot that they can do.
And B-Don's really blessed me a lot, man.
And he's the one that actually got Paul on the song.
Really?
Yeah, bro.
B-Don, he's a pioneer, one of the pioneers of what the sound of Texas is today.
You know what I'm saying?
What does he do?
He makes beats.
Oh, he's a professor.
Yeah.
And like G-Luck, his sisters are Toy Luck.
You know, B-Don, he was already punched in with them.
G and B, they were on tour with Slim Thug when they were like 17.
You know what I'm saying?
So they've been in the game for a minute.
Right.
So they've seen a lot too and learned a lot.
Got to soak up a lot of gaming shit.
Anyways, back to Zero.
He was ahead of his time, too.
I feel like he was singing and had some crazy wordplay.
He was fast as fuck.
He was good at telling stories.
You know, he was definitely an animal for sure.
Who do you?
I'm trying to think, like, who do you collab with?
And it can be outside of just I have one because I, there's this, you guys look completely different, so it sounds weird, but in your personality and your just who you are as an artist, you remind me of Jelly Roll, who's a friend of you know Jelly?
Yeah, I don't know him personally, but I know of him.
He got that somebody say, oh my god.
Yeah, that's unbelievable.
You guys will go.
And he could rap too.
Yeah, he can.
That's what he started as.
Yeah.
And then, but that's an interesting one.
Because you're both very authentic.
Alex.
I like Yellow Wolf.
I like Yellow Wolf.
Yeah.
He was on that Worldwide Choppers.
Remember that?
Bro, remember that fucking skateboard video he had back in the day?
It was like one of the first music videos, and I think it was a remix.
Remember, Hobson was talking shit about everybody that was scared.
He was like, I'm around Skada.
He was talking shit about Lupe Fiasco.
Yeah, yeah.
He had a diss track.
Yeah, Novi Novak, I think, too.
He was like disappointed everyone.
The Elmon Hobson 4.
He was talking shit on that one.
Yeah.
Okay, so who's like a dream collab musically?
Somebody who just like musically interested.
It could be Black.
Kodak Black, my favorite rapper.
Really?
So that's the other thing.
But he's not my favorite.
He's not my dream feature.
No, but here's another thing: is like when I talked about musicality with you, and I'm like, wow, this guy's really musical.
That's the same thing that I say about Kodak.
It's fluency.
It's like there's something about it that he understands music in a way where everything else is secondary.
I want to sing with Stevie Rayvon.
Oh, wow.
I mean, R.I.P., but like the greatest guitarist ever, arguably.
Yeah, I want to sing with him though.
I mean, that would be so cool.
Yeah.
Can I show you something?
Hell yeah.
So I recorded this on my.
What is that song?
Long and lean.
Love like us.
I'll never go old.
She's a sweet little thing.
She's my pride and joy.
She's my pride.
Yeah, he was an unbelievable.
My sweet little baby.
Bro, if you covered that, yo, that would be stupid, bro.
I like that one.
That would be crazy.
Yeah, definitely.
Let me see.
Hold on.
So I recorded this on my phone, like as a voice note, and I sent it to my boy Oliver.
And he made this whole beat around it.
Now, of course, it's only this small piece of it, but I want to show you it.
Because Stevie Rayvon is the reason why I sing like this.
Also, I saw that movie, The Cadillac Records.
And then after that, I was already in the jazz music.
And then I saw that.
And I just got even deeper into it.
So a lot of the way they sing too, like Money Walters beat.
Really, The Howling Wolf.
What's it called?
The Holland Wolf.
I need to see it.
No, the movie's called Cadillac Records.
No.
Yeah, the movie's called Cadillac Records.
Oh, also, I'll never go out.
And I was at this bar with my Kim Folks CJ and some rock song was playing.
I don't even know what it was.
And I've got that melody to it.
And I'm already a dog.
I'll be out in public.
So, like, yeah, here we go.
I just like Katie's.
I do like Katie's.
I do like Katie.
He's a beast, man.
He makes all those instruments himself.
Who's this?
Oliver.
Oh, yeah, bro.
You gotta sing too, bro.
Oh, these bitches, I'm so sick of them.
But I still got a whole lot of dick for them.
And the wheeltail, no, I can't kick with them.
Tell them the storms get on.
I ain't feeling them.
I say, baby, leave me a criminal.
She'll keep the Glock in this person.
Get rid of them.
Da da da It's a cold where we live in.
Even my mama told me, Don't trust these bitches' money sticking to my ties.
I've been on the road to riches.
I can't live on fire.
And I throw it in the ditches.
I don't.
It's a cold where we live in.
They gonna use you for militants.
I just need some distance.
I know that I'm about to think.
My winnings and da-da-da-da-da.
That's what I like.
Oh, man.
Fire.
Bro, yes.
That was great.
Oh, that's that's crazy.
So that's how sad.
It's just unfinished right now.
That's how like a song comes about for you.
Like your hair beat.
Well, actually, I didn't even, yeah, like I said, I was singing to another song and then I just recorded that a cappella and he made the beat around it.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
When you were doing the just right now, when you're going, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
Is that you?
That's how I'm going to hit it.
I just don't know what I'm going to say.
That's how I do a joke sometimes.
You're a bad motherfucker.
No, I mean that.
Like, I know what the music of the joke is.
Yeah.
But sometimes I don't know.
Like, I know what it needs to be to get them to move in a way.
Yeah.
But I don't know the words that are there just yet.
I have the premise of what I want to talk about, but that's so interesting because I always describe it like music.
I was like, yeah, I kind of know the rhythm of what it is.
Yeah.
So you're just flowing on the beat and then filming at it.
It's fucking sick.
It's like chili peppers, like Nirvana, like same thing.
Like that's why a lot of lyrics don't make sense.
Is that what they say they do?
Yeah.
And they're like, all right, what goes with that?
And then they're just finding words that fit in that they kind of like that rhyme.
And then they're like, yeah, it doesn't matter what the words are.
Let's just make a cool, a cool track, a cool local.
I mean this.
You could argue.
I don't want to say that the words aren't the priority, but especially with music.
But like what we attach ourselves to emotionally is the music and the rhythm and the sound.
And then the words on top will make you go, oh, this shit is crazy.
Right, right.
Because you could rock out just the beat.
I loved your whole song when I thought it was about Johnny Dane.
And then I found out it was about some other shit and I was like, ooh, that's even fun.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But that's so interesting.
Oh, I love that direction, bro.
So who helps curate that for you?
Do you have people who are like someone who's as obsessed with music on the production side as you are on the what is it called?
The lyrics side and the singing side?
Do you have another person that you're partnering with to make these things happen?
What do you mean, like lyrics-wise?
No, no.
Like, is Oliver your producer who's like?
Nah, TB Robbie is my in-house producer.
And then I got my buddy Scales.
He'll make some of my beats.
I also work with, you know, I work with the good beats.
So like, you know, like at first, I used to be like, man, nah, I just want to work with my people.
But I had to realize, man, there's a whole world out there as selfish as I want to be.
Greatness needs greatness, bro.
And bring them with you.
Right, of course.
Have them learn.
Yeah, you see what I'm saying?
But I never want them to feel like I'm leaving them because, man, I want us to come together.
Like, you got to understand, I've built my shit with them.
They need game too, though.
Yeah, for sure.
Like, collabing with these people ain't going to take away food off their plate.
They're just going to learn what this level of beat making is and how.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
So yeah, now I'm doing that, working with other people.
I met Oliver over there at Johnny Shripe's shit at Cinematic, but I fuck with Oliver.
I ended up punching in with him.
He made the Cowboy Killer beat.
I mean, that one was funky.
He made Briannan.
Yeah, Brianna was cool, too.
Yeah.
I was shitting and throwing up on myself at the same time while I made that song.
What?
I ate bad salmon.
And then I was like, I was, bro, it was bad, man.
And I'm throwing up on myself.
And then I get a call.
And it's Johnny.
He's like, hey, I need you.
He was like, how you doing?
So I'm chilling.
So, you know, because I don't need to talk to him about it.
And he was like, all right, well, I need you in college tomorrow.
I was like, man, I just hung up.
Fuck that.
I ain't trying to hear none of that.
You know, I fucking, it got so bad.
I just laid in the shower and leaked.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, it was bad, bro.
And then, you know, I got to fucking California.
I'm sitting here, like, biting ginger straight off the fucking car, just trying to do anything to get my belly to feel better.
And I fucking went in there.
I shit came out and I fucking, I knocked out like eight songs that night.
What was the one song in the album where like you have some sort of distortion on the voice or where it gets lower?
Yeah.
Oh, it's chopped.
Oh, OMG.
OMG, yeah, yeah.
What were you putting on that?
It's just slowed.
It just slowed down.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Because at first I was like, is someone featured on this?
Nah, so I'm really hitting it faster.
It's just slowed down.
So you hit it faster.
I hit it at normal pace, which is probably like 145, 160 BPM, and then slowed it down to whatever it is at now.
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Yeah, it was cool.
Yeah.
I got a few songs like that.
It's called Screwed or Slowed.
That's the chopping screw.
Yeah, but I don't chop it, though.
I just screw it.
What does chop mean?
Like where it plays it back.
Like if I'm like, kick, dope, click to the date that I don't kick, dope, kick, dope, click to the kick, dope, click, screwing it.
It's just taking down.
Right.
And chopping is when you're going to, yeah, yeah.
There's some songs that are not screwed.
It's just chopped.
I like that you don't put yourself in a box like you're rapping, but then you also have country songs.
Well, you got to understand this rap shit at this point.
It's like, like, how better could I get, right?
So now I'm just having fun.
But also, I think.
But the song Barrio, I really like that shit.
Thank you.
Yeah, the action is fine.
That shit was fun to write.
Yeah, like Cowboy, and that's why I've been enjoying those songs a lot more because they're just fun.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, this rap shit, like I said, it's fun and shit, but it's not that it's old.
It's like I'm just unlocking new characters every day.
That's the thing is, like, most people are starting rap in their teens.
You've been doing it for 20 years and you're 24.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
So I do understand that there's some probably monotony with it.
What is that?
Just like repetitiveness.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's my favorite lyric.
I don't even know how to, how to rap.
I just rhyme words.
Yeah.
I don't even rap.
I just rhyme words.
I got another song where I say, itty the gritty, flim in the gym and I just made up some words for this so it sounded dope.
Yeah.
I got another song where I say I can say stupid shit and it still sounds good.
See?
Stupid shit.
And the success, it feels like obviously it's been coming and like there's been people that knew you on the come up for a long time.
But then since the new record, it's been absolutely crazy.
Has this success and the speed of it been intimidating?
Or is it, are you completely comfortable with it?
I'm chilling.
It's completely cool.
Yeah.
Have people come up to you that you grew up with asking for money?
Hell yeah.
All my family.
Exactly.
How do you deal with that?
It pisses me off.
Because it's like, bitch, I got this shit when my stomach was touching my back.
I ain't never been fat.
I just barely got fat.
Nice, dude.
Fine.
You wear it well, bro.
I try, man.
But yeah, I just barely got fat, man, like about a year and a half, maybe two years ago.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, shit, I ain't had nobody.
And I never wanted to ask.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I don't want to ask for that shit.
You know, I'd rather go get it.
And I ain't going to say I was a hustler either because like I struggled, man.
But everything I had, I took it, you know?
Like, I had to get it.
It's like, fuck, I'm hungry.
I need it.
To people looking at you.
Like, when I first got...
Never.
When I first got a little bit of fame, like, I was used to just being a New Yorker.
So when people would look at me, I was thinking that they were looking at me for some sort of like ill intent.
You see what I'm saying?
And I'll be tripping, bro.
I'll be like, the fuck you looking at.
It will take a little bit, but eventually you're going to expect all those people looking at you to ask for a picture.
Yeah.
But the first few years is weird.
Yeah, now I expect it, but you still never know.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I still be trying to play it safe.
Like, I see our people, I'm like, maybe they're a fan, you know what I'm saying?
So I kind of like let them come a little closer.
And like, once I get closer and I see them smiling, I'm like, all right, get your ass over here.
You know what I'm saying?
But like, other than that, I'll be full-on tripping.
Like, bitch, don't come close.
Because it could be some past shit that you don't even know.
You see what I'm saying?
Like, bro, I know motherfuckers that got to get back 20 years later.
20 years.
Hell yeah.
It's never late.
Never too late.
Wow.
Damn.
Are you worried about that?
Is there anything that you're worried about?
Hell yeah, but you can't worry about shit like that.
I mean, I ain't going to say I'm out here just tripping every day because I don't beef with nobody.
You know, I'm chilling.
But I ain't going to say I ain't never done no shit.
You know?
Have you had anybody hate on you since your success?
Hell yeah.
Really?
And I post them.
I love them.
I comment.
Have a great day, baby.
You know that that comes with it.
Hell yeah.
Motherfuckers didn't even like me when I was nobody.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
I know a motherfucker not going to like me now because I've always been a cool person.
Like I remember 2018, 2019, I dropped music video and I just did it because I ain't have no job.
I'm on drugs.
I don't want to do nothing.
Let's do this.
I want to do music.
So we ended up dropping it and it hit like 40K in a month and got stuck there.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's when I was a nobody.
You know, I had my fans, but it's because in the county, everybody loved me.
I'm just a cool person.
I'll be at parties.
I'll be chilling.
And then so that's where it started, my fan base.
And then from there, word to mouth was my number one growth.
Yeah, that's always the best.
Hell yeah.
That's why my shit's so organic.
Like I can, everybody got it.
It's easy to get views.
Can you sell out a show, man?
I'll be, I'll be, bro, I tell my fans, go eat a bowl of shit and jump off a cliff and they gonna do it.
Is it right about selling out shows?
Because that's a difference maker.
There's a lot of people who make hits, but they can't fill a venue.
You see what I'm saying?
Russ's a bad motherfucker.
That motherfucker was performing in the pyramids of Egypt.
Shout out, Russ, man.
Shout out, Russ, man.
He's my inspiration for what I did with comedy.
He's my inspiration.
His blueprint of how, yeah.
Respect, for real.
He was putting a song out a week, and I was like, bro, maybe I can.
You have no choice but to see it.
100%.
Bro, and you get better.
Come on, bro.
You can't keep speaking Spanish and get worse at it.
Like, you keep using it.
Bro, bro.
Yeah.
Nah, he's nice.
Yeah, definitely, dog.
Have you spoken to him before?
Yeah.
You guys connected?
I've actually, really, I posted him, but I posted him like speaking as a fan.
Not a fan, but like I was giving game to admiration.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I was like, it was something like something he does.
And I was like, you know, this is who I look up to for any other artists that are, because I suck at giving advice.
I suck at talking.
I wrap my ass off.
I suck at talking.
So like I can't explain.
You've been good at talking so far.
I'm trying.
Yeah, I'm getting high as I'm trying.
So, but I feel like, you know, the way he breaks it down is just so much easier.
So I posted it as in like, here, this is my free game to you.
Yeah.
And then he saw it and he hit me back.
And I don't remember what he said.
He was like, yeah, you're cold.
And I left it there.
You know what I'm saying?
Because I don't want to seem like that person just hitting him up.
I'd rather just show him what the fuck I'm talking about and then he gonna circle back.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's how it's always been.
I ain't never really hit nobody up for no feature.
Everything I got has always been organic.
Really?
Hell yeah.
I feel like it's the best way.
Even like, I don't know people that be hitting bitches up on social media.
Like, nigga, what?
Fuck, no.
Like, bitch, I'm already a rapper.
So the bitch is going to think, oh, this thirsty ass nigga right here.
You know, so like, I've always, like, even little shit like that.
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But you're going to also get to a point where it's...
Okay, so in the beginning, they're like, oh, he's thirsty.
And then you get to a point of fame where they go, oh, he's just trying to fuck me and leave me.
You see what I'm saying?
So you're never good.
You know what I mean?
But this is an easier position to come from.
Because some girls are okay with the fuck you leave you.
Yeah.
Because you're a notch on the business.
But I don't want those women.
Yeah, you want them to fucking...
What is it that you like again?
Beat you up.
Beat you up.
Shit on you.
Punch you in the head.
Yeah.
Have you gotten a chance to travel?
Like, I know you went on tour with OGZ, but like, have you gone to Europe and like been around there?
Yeah, no, I could.
I'm a Texan.
Do you want to?
Do you want to get out and be like, you don't want to go to Europe?
Come on with that shit.
Come on, bro.
Yes, yes.
No, don't do that.
Don't do that.
They'll love you out there, too.
They will fucking love you out there.
Bro, it'll be so much fun you'll get to experience.
Don't you want to see the pyramids, bro?
Don't you want to go see Rome?
I do want to see that.
I want to perform there.
There we go.
I don't want to go there to chill.
Fuck, I'm going to be in the desert for that's not my habitat.
That's what I'm saying.
Three degrees cool.
Nah, hell no.
We got humidity.
That's the thing.
All right, fair enough.
They're smart.
And I got my shit here.
Like, I'm comfortable here.
I done planted all my seats here.
Everything I got here grow.
You believe in aliens?
No, there's something out there.
I think aliens are in the water and not space.
I've watched some stuff on that recently.
We don't know what the fuck is going on down there.
Bro, think of it.
They only discovered like, what, 7% of it?
And it's how much of the Earth?
Yeah, and also that there's, what is it?
The octopus brains.
They study like octopus in some weird way.
And they're like, they feel, they have emotions.
They have superiority.
Yeah, bro.
They can't, bro.
A motherfucker can twist.
It can be inside a bowl and twist the thing and get itself out.
Yeah, yeah.
It's smart.
They have self-awareness.
They know what they look like.
They do that thing with the dot.
I think I've told this before.
They're able to put a marking on them.
And if they see a mirror, they know what they look like and they know that there's something on them that they try to get off.
Oh, because they can change what their exoskeleton looks like.
Yeah, yeah.
They're good.
Like they camouflage.
But a lot of animals, if they see themselves in the mirror, that's like it's another animal.
But they have a self-awareness.
When I first got him, I thought that motherfucker was like, I thought that his parents were cousin fuckers because this motherfucker was just dumb, bro.
Listen to this shit, bro.
Legally retarded, right?
Bro, listen.
We would be walking.
That motherfucker just walk into my legs.
Like, bro, what the fuck are you doing?
Just stupid shit.
And then he'd walk around.
He just looked dumb.
He might be retarded.
Yeah.
He might be.
That's hung shit.
You ever got high and talked to your dog?
Like, you ever feel you can communicate telepathically?
Hell no.
But, like, I'll be talking to him.
That's not like some shit.
You don't fuck with water.
No, that happens, bro.
You don't fuck with water?
Bro.
One of my biggest fears.
But I also think it's like the most beautiful thing on earth.
As long as you're away from it.
As long as I see it on TV.
Interesting.
So you wouldn't go to a beach and even just look at the water?
No, beach.
But what about just being on a boat in the middle of the ocean, jumping in for a swim?
Hell no.
I die of heart failure.
Yeah, I'm close.
I'd rather go skydive.
Oh, wow.
That shit is terrible.
And go swim in the ocean?
Hell, nigga.
What?
You'd rather skydive?
Swim in the ocean, bro.
It's not just black people.
Why, why, why?
Because the unknown.
I don't know.
It's too much.
And I'll be tripping.
I don't watch too many movies, bro.
Like, I'll be like, I'll be thinking of, I've seen this picture of a girl.
She was in the water.
And then it's like a fat ass fucking eyeball underneath her.
You know what I'm saying?
You saw the whales that came up while the girl was in the water?
Bro, a whale came and smacked that shit.
All the fucking canoe.
I saw that.
Hell no, bro.
Yeah.
Hell no.
If I'm on a boat, that hook gotta be like eight of the Titanic.
Even then, bro.
What happened to the Titanic?
Yeah.
Yeah, even then, bro.
So what do you think about the people that went to Submarine that went down there?
What the fuck are you doing down there?
Isn't that your jungle?
They're not your habitat.
Yeah, I guess.
That's why I don't think anybody has sympathy for them.
I mean, fuck.
May God rest her.
So I guess, of course, yeah, like, I don't want anybody bad, but no better.
What's that?
No better.
No better.
Yeah, But there might be aliens down there, though.
Without a doubt, I'm sure, bro.
I believe there's some demonic shit down there, too.
Wait, really?
Hell yeah.
What's going on?
I haven't heard this before.
Think of it, bro.
There's been floods all the time.
You know what I'm saying?
There's houses down there that I bet some fuckery went on in.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, bro, the water is slowly just eating up the land.
You know what I'm saying?
I bet shit down there, you know.
And you never know.
There's people that have death wishes.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, there's this one dude, he'll go in the water.
And originally, what he started on YouTube was he'll go in water and like find shit and restore it.
Like he'll find a badass robot and restore it.
Then he started finding water bottles and bottles with notes in them.
And they were fucking death wishes.
No.
Yes.
Hell yeah.
And he would find thousands of them.
And you are right about that, about coastline.
Like as the water rises, the coastline gets evaporated.
No one talks about that.
Those ghosts are probably in the water.
Yeah, or all the key to our ancient shit.
Louisiana.
I don't know.
Louisiana.
All that voodoo shit going on and it's all in the water.
Yeah, where did the voodoo shit come from with Louisiana?
I love Louisiana, though.
Don't get it twisted.
I love Louisiana.
Especially because I play Red Dead.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, the voodoo shit is crazy.
Yeah.
But voodoo is Dominican, right?
I think it's Haitian.
Yeah, but even then, they were very.
Yeah.
The French, though.
Yeah, the French.
Yeah, I think it comes from that, probably.
Yeah.
But even the French there are your people.
Yeah, I think they're actually French, but I'm assuming.
Like, they're Canadian.
Are they really?
Yeah, the French that went to, that's why their accents, the Montreal, yeah, like the New Orleans accent is similar to Quebec French.
You remember Waterboy?
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Yeah.
You remember Coach?
Yeah.
Oh, fuck.
He was on Joe Dirt too.
He was like, oh, Holland.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, the Canadian who founded New Orleans.
Oh, interesting.
So it's like first, like the people, the French Canadians went down there.
They went down.
So that's why their accent.
And then I think a bunch of, was it New Yorkers or something like that?
I don't know.
How New Orleans the accent came about is quite interesting.
Yeah.
It is the most claimant.
They founded for France, but they were Canadian.
Right.
Yeah, they were representing France, I guess.
Oh, that's interesting.
But do you believe in curses and voodoo shit?
Like, you think that shit works?
Hell yeah.
Energy.
Hell yeah.
I believe curses are still, I believe, man, who knows?
What happens?
Like, let's say, all right, you do a lot of drugs, whatever, but have you had any experience in the drugs where you have felt like an almost religious existence?
Yeah, but I probably do high as fuck.
Of course.
But has it brought you anywhere where you're like, oh, I feel small in the world.
I feel connected to everything.
Hell no, I felt disconnected.
If anything, I felt like everything was out to get me.
Even on shrooms and stuff?
Wait a minute, but that's interesting.
Don't you do you feel like that sometimes in life?
Hell yeah.
You got a little bit of a chip on your shoulder.
Hell yeah, bro.
I used to feel like I feel like, no, not even that.
I used to just feel like my mama died at a young age.
I used to see all this fuckery shit.
I was, you know what I'm saying?
I'm living grown as fuck as a kid.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I just felt like I was robbed from everything.
Yeah.
You know, and I took it sensitive.
I got butt hurt from it, I guess.
And like that chip on my shoulder just made me bottle up so much anger.
And it just grew and grew and grew.
And it became very unhealthy.
So yeah, it feels like you're, I don't know, you feel like you're at a different level.
It feels like, I don't know, emotionally, you don't seem like an angry person to me.
You said I was really angry as a person and now you're not as much.
And I was wondering, I know you said you didn't have any experiences on shrooms or any psychedelics or anything, but do you think that helped in the long run making you less angry?
I don't know.
I think I just finally just, I think I realized how unhealthy it was.
Because like, bro, I used to get so mad.
I'd like when I was done getting mad, I'd feel like I got whooped.
I feel like I got drunk.
I'd be like, fuck, my body just felt drained.
Yeah, the emotional.
I'd be like, fuck, I want to go to sleep.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
And I think when I realized it was that bad, I'd be like, fuck.
And then I would get mad and then I'd get mad because I know I shouldn't be this fucking mad about it.
So it's like, fuck, that shit.
And it just, I'm that type of person.
I'm going to let that shit boil up.
Did you talk to your dad about this at all?
Hell no.
You don't think he'd have good advice?
Hell, I mean, yeah, I ain't gonna lie.
That motherfucker told me he gave me a lot of jewels for so.
That's what I feel.
But we ain't ever really just talked about our emotions like that.
Interesting.
Recently, maybe.
From what you tell, he's so emotional around you.
He is.
He's not afraid to show his affection.
Yeah, but nobody, everybody, he a gorilla.
Interesting.
So only around you do you see the tears.
Only around you see the love.
I don't even think he's like that around my nanny, his mama.
Get out of here.
And why do you think so much around you?
I'm his son, you know what I'm saying?
My whole life, he just wanted me to be his best friend.
I remember going to visit him in prison, and he told me that I would go to the guards like with a coins because he can get the coins and like take them to the concession stand to bring back the food.
He said, I'd take the coins and be like, I'd give you these coins.
They might take my limit and take my daddy home.
You know what I'm saying?
It would fuck him up.
You would go there and you'd ask the guards if you could take him home.
Yeah, like, yeah, I give you these coins.
That's all I got.
Because you miss them.
Yeah.
I remember I go there, we lock up.
Because I had to talk to him through glass.
I'd be like, dad, check me out.
And I was a kid, you know what I'm saying?
I just started doing push-ups, sit-ups.
No way.
Hell yeah.
I used to rap to him, but I would rap always on the radio and he'd be like, fuck that.
I want to hear what you got to say.
And my mama died, and I was like eight, and that's when I wrote my first song.
So like, you know, just hearing him say it, and I would write notes to him.
And like, you know, you write letters and I'd write raps to him and shit.
Send him pictures.
I have a great relationship with my dad.
I love my dad more than anything in the world.
And we getting better with our relationship.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, it was, bro.
I ain't going to say we were just the best.
But having someone that's that important to you believe in you is fucking awesome, isn't it?
Hell yeah.
It's fucking awesome.
My dad, bro, my dad looked at me like I was God.
He would come like.
Doesn't that fill you with fucking confidence?
You're like the one person that I care about on this planet.
And this motherfucker, I seen this motherfucker knock out like five dudes in a row.
You know what I'm saying?
Like to me, this dude was God.
Like, not only is he swole, it's all agility.
It's all agility.
That motherfucker's an animal.
So like just hearing and always hearing stories of how much of a bad motherfucker he was, not even just with them hands, just mentally, who he was.
And man, that's Chuck.
What an interesting life.
So he's not associated with anything.
He's on his own.
He's, I presume, hustling to kind of make it work.
Yeah.
No, yeah, I mean, shit.
Like, he was a gym.
He went to school for the body.
I ain't gonna lie.
There's one thing that motherfucker know is the human body.
He's an animal.
He was a trainer.
You know, he would train people.
I remember he was training the woman, the news lady in Austin.
Like, he was training a lot of big people.
Oh, really?
Hell yeah.
He had his own gym, Conquer Fitness, him and his boys on Sunbox Road.
I used to be in the gym working out with him.
I remember we'd be in there boxing, doing lift weights.
We lifted weights, but a lot of it was all body weight.
He wanted me to have full control of my body.
Like, I could do a backflip right now still.
I just got a bag on me.
Wait, what?
Hell yeah.
I'm nothing, but just, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I'm still fast, too.
I ain't gonna say I'm the fastest, but I bet I'm fastest.
You can do a backflip right now.
Bro, I saw you me do a video of me doing backflip.
I was heavier.
I was like 280 right here.
No.
Yeah.
There's no way.
I can't show you.
And gravity don't like big motherfuckers like me.
So I'm really defined.
You see what I'm saying?
That's Bushwig.
You're cutie.
Frenchie?
Pocket Bully.
I just kept his ears.
That's what I'm saying.
I was going to clip him, but when I, the only way I bought it.
That's cute.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah, I ain't going to lie.
I love it because I can see all his emotions.
I can see what he's feeling and shit through his ears.
Anyways, he was beat the fuck out of as a child.
That's actually a really good point about clipping the ears.
It's harder to pick up on cues because when they're super alert, they're going to shoot the ears up.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Well, I think they look an aesthetic.
Over and clip the Bay City.
Look at that.
They fuck with you or what?
Hell yeah.
When I go to Bay City, the laws, the newspaper, everybody out.
Oh, really?
So you call the police the laws.
The laws.
That's cool.
The man in blue.
Wait, where's his backflip though?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, my fault, my fault, my fault.
I just keep getting lost.
I want to show you my grandpa Gilbert, too.
Interesting.
So he had a gym.
I don't know.
I was watching when I was watching interviews with you.
Venice Beach.
I was 280 right there.
I was bigger.
Oh, shit.
Wow.
Hold on, let me see.
And you will need to send this to Miles so that we can put it off.
Shit.
Whoa, bro.
You hear Jody?
That's better than me into water.
Bro.
Oh, that's wild.
Wow.
Bruh.
That's crazy.
Were you good at sports when you were younger?
Hell yeah.
I played soccer and baseball.
Oh, really?
What were you better at?
Both.
Hell yeah.
Okay, hold on.
Hold on.
And me and my team, when I played, me and my team, we were always together.
Same, like, there would be people that would play for different teams different years.
Me and my team, we was always together.
So our chemistry was ridiculous.
Oh, like I'd be seeing my little cousins and then play, and they'll take a fat ass L. Like, I'm talking about smacked.
And they'll run to the dugout laughing.
Ah, okay, what you doing?
I'm like, bitch, I'll be crying right now.
Like, we just fucking lost.
Yeah.
I remember going hard in practice, bro.
We were competitive.
All of us.
We was animals, bro.
I remember I was in like the fourth grade already trying to learn how to bicycle kick.
The backflip with the kick.
You know what I'm saying?
I was headbutting goals in already.
I was an animal.
Hey, shout out Albert.
We caught him flathead.
He was an animal with that shit.
He would always hit the balls with his head and he would get them.
Oh, that's fast.
And he was a mean machine.
You want to know how dedicated we was?
That motherfucker had his foot fractured in eight different places by the end of the game.
And he kept playing because he thought it was only just spraying.
And that motherfucker, bro, we was like, we was kids, but we was playing.
Shit.
I think he was probably like fifth grade, maybe fourth grade.
Damn.
On a broken leg?
Yeah.
Yeah, fractured.
It wasn't broke.
A fractured on like about seven, eight different places on his foot.
Smoking on Viagra on my front porch.
Chilling.
Chilling.
Making music.
Yeah, maybe hopefully on cowboying by then.
That's the goal.
Yeah, yeah.
Get the land.
That's why I ain't got no chains or nothing like that.
Because you're saving up.
Yeah.
I mean, not only that, I don't need it.
My music speaks for itself, you know.
Not only that, but there's people out there that I be seeing people in all the time, fat ass chains, four of them, fat-ass Cubans in a fat-ass pen.
They bust down Rolex, fucking fucking Sky Dweller, you know what I'm saying?
Rings and all that.
And they're not even rappers.
So it's like anybody can have it now.
Yeah.
Don't want it.
I feel like my cowboy had my boots as my chain and shit.
Yeah.
And I don't look like how I spit.
So like, I went to Atlanta one time.
I had boots on, denim shorts, and a wife beater in my cowboy hat and my diamonds in my mouth.
Could look at me like, who is this guy?
And I get in there.
Game over.
I had the people from the front desk like what in there?
You know what I'm saying?
Everybody was in there.
I'm like, yeah, bro, I just look like this.
Supreme confidence in your ability.
Man, if I don't believe myself, why the fuck should you?
Facts.
That's fire.
Never question it for a second.
I can't.
I got to stand on something.
You know?
I got a question about the cowboy hat at the boots.
If you watch all videos of you, you're not really wearing that.
You're wearing jeans, Jordans, whatever.
Because I was trying to look like a rapper.
That's when you weren't being yourself.
When did you start to embrace it?
Can you walk me through?
Was it a conscious, like, you know, this is who I am?
Because that is.
I just started being, I just gave up on it.
I just started getting lazy.
Like, man, I'm just wanting to wear what I wear.
And it's funny how the world works because that's where I'm 39.
He's 39.
We're more casual at this point.
Not going to keep up.
But that will catch my eye.
A motherfucker holding a chicken and spitting crazy.
And that's everyday living.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, that chicken's name is Pretty Lady.
You know what I'm saying?
I think it's just authenticity.
People are drawn to it.
And I think there's different ways of communicating that authenticity.
Yeah, hell yeah.
But we're always drawing.
I think that's why you feel like you get so much love in New York because when someone sees you walking down the street like this in New York, New Yorkers.
I just had a motherfucker say, I look like I came from here.
Bro, but here's the thing: New Yorkers just will look at this and they don't go, what the hell's wrong with this guy?
They'll go, oh, this guy's doing his own thing.
That's fire.
We love people that are being uniquely themselves.
So if I don't.
That's why that worked for you.
Exactly.
I fuck with him.
I mean, this kid grew up in Queens.
Right, that's what's up.
He's not.
But he looks like he's hunting dick.
Hog hunting.
Yo, he's going hog hunting in there.
Bro, you got to go, man.
That shit got a whole different feeling.
Yo, next time we got suppressors on them, hoes.
So like the kickback ain't shit.
You feel like you're shooting like a BB gun.
So next time when we're in Texas, let's do some hog hunting.
That's easy.
I'm going to take you to my boy Ryan.
We're going to be going over Bay City.
Done.
Done.
That's easy, I swear.
But it's so interesting how the world works.
Like you lean into who you are and stop trying to accommodate anybody else.
And then all of a sudden that success starts pouring in.
Isn't that fucking weird?
But it's not weird.
It makes the most sense.
You could be the best version of this.
And you know what's crazy?
I despise and hated everything of myself going up because I would just like from family to people that was around me, I was just talking so much shit to, you know, and eventually it got to the point where I believed them.
I was just broken.
You know, I was like, man, I just.
They would talk shit about you.
Yeah.
And, you know what I'm saying?
I remember I go to school and rap and like, you know, like, there was people that fucked with it, but then there was people that'd be like, man, what the fuck are you doing?
You know what I'm saying?
And then not only just the rap shit, like, just who I am as a person.
You know, there's a lot of people that didn't like me.
And I don't know.
I just didn't like myself, I guess.
When did you start to say, like, I got to believe in myself?
What was that like?
Shit.
I would probably.
I was grown.
I was like 20.
Oh, wow.
21.
Yeah, that's the brilliance.
The brilliance of going through like having everybody shit on you and then being able to find your own resilience.
Like my dad, he'll tell me to this day, son, I used to ask what you're going to do.
And he'd be like, I don't know what you want to do.
And he would hate that shit.
He'd be like, fucking make a decision, nigga.
But I was so scared to fail.
And I was already fucking up.
And I had, you know, and I would, like, my mom lost it.
She would lose jobs because she would have to pick me up from school.
You know, I'm already fucking up, dude.
So it's like, shit.
And you also just want them to be so happy.
You see what I'm saying?
I already missed that.
Like, my stepmama, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I grew up with her for some time, too.
And like, she'll try and kiss me and hug me.
And she's like, I'm like, man, that shit just, like, it's so fine.
Like, I needed that shit then.
Yeah.
But didn't both of your parents were confident in you being a rapper at a young age?
Hell yeah.
My mom and my dad were like, my dad believed in me more than I believed in.
My dad, like, I remember he would get mad.
He'd be like, son, he was like, you're too fucking brilliant for this shit.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, what the fuck are you doing?
Like, I remember like, you know what I'm saying?
And he would think I wasn't listening to him, but I was.
Like, I just didn't know.
I didn't know what to say, you know?
There's nothing to say.
I know I fucked up.
Let me fix it.
You think if your dad grew up in different circumstances, he could be like a millionaire banker or something like that.
Hell yeah, my dad brilliant at everything he do.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, he had to thrive within the environment that he grew up in.
And not only that, like, like I was saying, that energy, that's a real thing.
I got it too.
Like, that motherfucking can go to, he'll go to sleep.
All his bills are not paid.
Zero money in the bank.
And like, he just got everything to stress over.
Like, he probably finna lose his house.
And he going to wake up with 100 bands in his bank account, all bills paid, and the bitch is at the front door, a bitch at the front door.
You're saying that's his mentality on life.
He's just figured it out.
No, that's just how he's like, that'll be a real scenario.
Like, real shit just happened like that to him.
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Wait, what?
Yeah.
Probably not 100 bands, but I exaggerated.
But he had nothing.
No bills paid nothing.
And he just got, you know what I'm saying?
Like, for some reason, like, it could be anything.
Like, oh, government, here's a check, you know what I'm saying, that you had from prison.
Yeah.
It's anything.
Like, he's just, he's blessed.
Things tend to work out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There you go.
Have you, have you bought him anything?
Like, now that you got money, like, have you like bought him a car, bought him anything that he wanted?
No, I bought, I bought, actually, my dad is there.
My dad and my little brother out of my family are the only people that have never called me, not once, and asked for anything.
Interesting.
My dad has never asked me for nothing.
Interesting.
The only thing my dad asked me for is time.
Like, literally, he'll be like, like, he'll be talking to me.
He'd be like, son, just give me 30 seconds of your life.
You know what I'm saying?
I promise to you.
That's beautiful.
Yeah, that's all he's ever asked for.
And what does that feel like when he's asking?
I'll be like, come on, what the fuck you want?
Do you make time for him?
I try to.
He'd be mad.
Yeah, he'll be, he'll be, like, he'd be mad.
I'm not mad, but he'd be like, nigga, fuck with me.
But I just be busy.
Like, I wanted him in here in New York, but, you know, I know that.
I'm older than you, way older than you.
And my dad's starting to lose his memory a little bit.
But this year, I started going every single Thursday to go see him.
And sometimes we just hang out and read.
Like, sometimes we don't talk, whatever.
But it is the best decision.
It's basically my life.
It's just having the presence there.
Just being able to.
We don't even got to speak.
And also doing it for them.
Like, sometimes we think about like what we're going to get out of situations, but knowing that it makes them feel good, even if you're not even talking.
Yeah.
Is it crazy seeing him get old?
Yeah, because they don't get old until one day.
Yeah, right.
Isn't that crazy?
Yeah.
Like my dad, that motherfucker 49, and he's still kicking.
Kicking, ready to throw down.
Fuck you up still, probably.
Bro, he looked like people be thinking he my brother until I'd be like, hey, dad, for real.
Anyways, my pippo Chico, that motherfucker was old.
I remember this motherfucker is so old.
One time I walked into the house and all the lights are off except for the living room light because he's sitting in there and the TV's off.
He just.
And you thought he was gone.
Nah.
Nah, I knew he was away.
He just standing there.
And I walk in.
Hey, Milo.
I'm like, man, what are you doing?
Just sitting there, just sitting like just thinking.
Getting the moment of silence.
I wish I was able to, I wish I can open his head and pick at his brain.
Like, I press the muscle and then a memory pops up.
You know what I'm saying?
Why does he not communicate that much?
Nah, he definitely does, but I just, he just has something.
Bro, that nigga died in 99.
He was 99 years old?
Yeah.
Died at 99.
He won Cowboy Plaque of the Century.
You were saying that, yeah.
I saw that motherfucker holding his, bro.
He was like, was that his proudest moment, you think?
Man, bro.
Fuck.
Yeah.
He just dedicated his whole life to be a cowboy.
So, when he wins it, were you there when he won it?
Hell yeah.
And what is, I imagine he's not like the most emotional.
Imagine he's like tough cowboy shit.
And then he gets that, what happens?
Nah, he just fucking holds it with a blank-ass face.
There's cowboy where he breaks and like he's just like, he never stops.
You could tell, like, I mean, even when my memo died, his wife, like, he didn't show no emotion.
Like, he's always been just rugged like that and tough.
Cowboy of the century.
Even the year makes some kind of sense.
The century.
Man, bro, he was certified, bro.
He held it down for Markham.
Everybody knew him.
There would be ranchers that would come to him and he would break their horses for them.
No way.
Hell yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
He was certified.
So what was his elite skill?
It was breaking horses.
Yeah, and maintenance.
And maintenance.
You know, because he had his own farm in Markham, which is like a little over.
Son, that horse breaking shit is crazy.
People don't really, like, yeah.
Have you done that?
Have you broken a horse?
Man, I tried, you know what I'm saying?
The crazy thing about his.
You could die.
Now that you've gained a little weight, it might be easier to break it.
It don't matter about weight.
It just, it takes patience.
Certified Horse Breaker Energy00:11:38
And that's what I ain't got.
But also, it's terrifying because if they buck you.
I ain't gonna lie, it's not so much terrifying because if that motherfucker don't listen, I grab by his bottom lip and twist it and pull it where I needed to go.
Even if you're on top of it?
Yeah, I'm not because I got the reins.
I'm just saying, like, when you're on one of these horses, you are vulnerable.
And you get thrown off and you're breaking a bone guaranteed or something.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah, I don't know.
Just that cowboy life is, you think of it as rugged because you think about like the cowboys and Indians, them shooting each other.
That's probably the most chill part of that.
Part of that shit's cool.
The hard part is building the fences and fucking breaking these horses.
Yeah.
Do you think you want to have kids one day?
Hell yeah, man.
I want a whole football team.
Oh, really?
Hell yeah.
I missed out on that shit, you know?
What do you mean?
Missed out on it.
Like, I missed out on my own childhood.
So, like, I get to give my son the childhood I wanted.
You know what I'm saying?
And still learn new shit on being a father.
And you want to wait, but do you want to have kids while you're still rapping, while you're still actively touring?
Or do you want to be...
Hell yeah.
I'm probably finna have a baby right now.
You got a girl?
No, I'm saying, like, I'm probably going to start, you know.
Before a girl?
Yeah, I'm going to figure it out.
I mean, do you have a girl?
Yeah.
Oh, you do?
Yeah.
How long you been with her?
Been with her for a while.
And is she cool with the transition in your life?
She's figuring it out.
It's because it's tough for them too, bro.
Hell yeah.
Me not home all the time and shit, you know?
Not only you not home, because when you're there, you can reinforce her.
She feels love.
She feels all the things, right?
But not only you not home, you're getting more and more famous.
More and more people want your attention.
More and more people want your time.
But it's good for me to knock it out now, you know?
Yeah.
I mean, you have to do it.
This is what you got to do for your family, for everything.
But at the same time, I have empathy for what they go through as well.
Hell yeah, bro.
It's not easy.
Especially because they know what's up.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
They're not dumb, bro.
I feel like when Jordan, I feel like there's a lot of times they catch on to it and don't even say nothing.
What do you mean?
Like anything like that.
I feel like that.
They're women.
They got the estrogen.
Like they follow that.
They're feeling different.
They're feeling more like us.
Intuition to, yeah.
Like us.
Like, for an example, us, we're going to go out there.
My dad put this an example for me.
He said, like, us, we're going to go out there.
You know, our baby is going to be like, no, I just don't have a good feeling about it.
Their intuition.
That's what it is.
Yeah, us.
We're like, man, fuck that.
Because we got our testosterone.
So we're not going to go with it.
That's interesting.
You know, so like, so that leads me to say they know what's up.
Like, they be feeling that shit.
Did your dad ever give you game with girls?
Hell yeah, he gave me a game of everything.
Like for what?
What would he say?
I was just mostly watching.
It was observed, right?
Like how he would operate.
Yeah, for sure.
But he knew what he was doing.
Because he was performing a little bit.
He's like, my son is here, so I need to represent a way that he was doing it.
I remember one time he showed me this girl, Brooke.
He said, Brooke, show my son how you do it.
And she took a braff and fucked them tattoos up.
I first she flexed them hoes.
Promise to you, damn, bro.
Whoa.
I was like 15, I think.
Get out of here.
When did you lose your virginity?
Maybe about 22.
Nah.
I ain't gonna lie, I was young, bro.
Did you tell your dad about it right after?
Hell, no, I didn't tell nobody.
Oh, really?
Really?
You don't think he would have been stoked?
Nah, because I was young.
Oh, like young, yeah.
And I don't even think he was really around like that at the time.
I was definitely in Bay City.
Sixth grade, however, old you are in sixth grade?
Sixth grade.
The last early.
I probably wouldn't even shoot him full nut.
You know what I'm saying?
Definitely or not.
Compressed air, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
Hell yeah.
Oh, that's wild.
That's cool.
So you see him, you see him around ladies, and you're observing what the way to be is.
Hell yeah.
And then, you know, I grew up with my nanny too.
You know, so I also...
She would kick game as well?
Nah, but I got to observe how women was.
You know, I had my mama, you know what I'm saying?
I grew up with her.
She always had my Theo around.
Yeah.
She had nothing but sisters.
You know what I'm saying?
So I got to observe them and see how they act and things like that and grow with it.
It seems, yeah, yeah.
You spent a lot of your younger years observing and digesting.
Yeah, I feel like when you're, yeah, about from maybe like, I'll say about three to 12, you like fully soaking everything up.
But I think that's also like a lot of times where the artist comes out is because your only way to express yourself is through the art.
It's through the music or painting or jokes or whatever it is.
I think a lot of times when you just feel comfortable talking all the time, you don't necessarily need that outlet.
You know, so maybe music becomes this outlet where you're like, oh, I get attention from these adults.
They like what I'm doing.
Yeah, I was right battling grown-ass man.
My dad would wake me up before school and I'd be like, I got to get ready for school.
He's like, fuck school, you ready to go down there?
Whoopass?
And you would just body these motherfuckers.
I'm talking about eat them up.
No, would they ever get tight?
Hell yeah.
My dad would be like, touch them.
He wanted to smoke so bad.
You gotta understand, bro.
It'd be a house full of women.
There'd be so many women.
I remember they'd be sitting on the stairs.
You know what I'm saying?
We were living in a duplex.
So we in a small one living room right into the kitchen.
Like 15.
No.
Yeah, sometimes 20.
Because my dad, my dad was moving that shit.
And they all loved him.
Like I said, he had that energy, bro.
Like, he had red carpet everywhere.
He get treated like a rapper.
He's not even a rapper.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
So ladies everywhere.
Hell yeah.
Dudes come through.
They think they're nice at rapping.
And they're rapping in front of women.
So they're going to be embarrassed if they're getting murdered.
And then you are just.
Eat them alive.
And my dad would like call a taxi or have one of his others take me to school.
Get the fuck.
Bro, that is crazy.
And were the girls, were they like affectionate with you?
Hell yeah, bro.
I think, I think, I don't know.
I think one of them went up there and got on me.
Get out of here.
But I was sleepy.
I remember she asked me, she was like, Reggie, you ever felt like you woke up and felt like you had sex?
And I was like, yeah.
Wow.
She was like, that was a demon fucking you.
Like, you had sex with a demon.
And I was like, what the fuck?
And I remember it's earlier.
You got to understand.
You got to understand, bro.
And then like, yeah, I just, I kind of crashed out.
I like went to sleep right after that.
Wow.
Hell yeah.
Whoa.
Was she cute?
Yeah, that was all.
That was all.
I think she was like a mixed breed mutt.
Yellow bone bitch looked like piss.
That's just shit, bro.
You can't get away with that.
Lone star luchador.
Go listen immediately.
What's the next single you think of putting out?
Probably hopefully the opportunity with me and Max though.
We dressed up at some Luchadors.
Yeah.
And we had like, we actually had real Luchadors there too.
Shout out to them.
Have you ever gone seen in Mexico City?
No, I haven't, but I want to.
Oh, it's so cool.
I believe it.
You've gone?
I went for my bachelor party to Mexico City.
And we all went down there and it was.
Bachelor party?
A bachelor party, bro.
I don't know.
What do you mean?
I don't even think I'm going to get married.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
That's fair.
You don't have to.
I probably definitely have kids, but I don't think I want to get married.
You don't have to.
You might want to one day.
We'll see.
I think we'll be happy without it.
But the Lucha Libre.
Yeah.
It is.
What I would say the coolest thing about it is I wasn't familiar with the characters, and I was more entertained than when I've seen WWE and I know the characters.
Oh, yeah.
Because it's about the choreography a lot of it.
Yeah.
Like, oh, yeah, bro, they get down.
They're so athletic, bro.
Yeah, they get down, bro.
Crazy shit.
Hell yeah, bro.
Sean Michaels was a bad motherfucker.
So that's, imagine it was, what is it?
The guy from Triple X. Remember that?
The little guys?
No, no, no.
Something like that.
Oh, Triple X. X. D-Generation X. X-Pac.
D-Generation X. X-Pac.
Do you remember X-X?
D-Generation X.
Yeah, yeah.
That's Triple H and Shawn Michaels.
No, no, no.
X-Pac.
That's a little skinny guy.
Do you remember X-Pac?
There was a big dude and a little skinny guy.
No.
Doesn't matter.
Anyway, he would do tons of athletic shit.
So just imagine there's three dudes, there's six dudes in a ring all the time, and all of them are fucking athletic.
All of them are not athletic.
Doing the wildest shit.
It's like a dance almost, bro.
Yeah, it was crazy.
Yeah, it was awesome.
I believe it.
Nah, I bet that shit look wild.
Yeah.
And then, like you said, like some of those things are real, though.
Like half-ass real.
If you hit the ground, you hit the ground.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Ain't nothing fake about him.
The pain is real.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Definitely.
Yeah, getting thrown through a table, you can't fake.
That's what I'm saying.
Is the outcome scripted?
Sure.
But what gets you to the outcome is painful, bro.
Yeah, hell yeah.
You got to be a bad motherfucker.
And that's why they bad motherfuckers, because sometimes a lot of times it's not painful.
They know how to fall.
You know what I'm saying?
Oh, it's like skateboarding where those guys learn how to fall.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, that's crazy.
I remember eating shit skate.
I used to skate at House Park in Austin.
And downtown Austin.
Just get fucked up.
I met Hobson out there.
He was skating.
He was skating.
Really?
I met P-Rod out there at Sheckler.
Yeah.
You met Sheckler?
Hell yeah.
Were you nice and skateboarding?
You're like low-key athletic, though.
That's the thing.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
And I'm that type of person with like, even backflips, like even kickflip, anything I learned, like, I just need to see it a few times.
And like, okay.
Hell yeah.
I think the craziest flip I could do was like a tray flip.
Oh, wow.
Hold on.
You got to make a skate park.
You got to do a part, bro.
Dude, skating in motherfucking cowboy boots with a cowboy hat is going viral.
And you know what's crazy?
Fuck.
Let me see if you find these videos.
A skate video?
Yeah, I got a video of me.
Yeah, I got a video of me skating in.
I think I had some dunks on, camo, like the real tree pants, no shirt, my cowboy hat.
Let me see this.
Let me see the skate videos.
I got to tell you to send them to me.
Hold on.
Oh, that's crazy that that part of you isn't even out there at all.
Yeah.
Hell no.
Wait, have you purposely not put it out there?
No, I just, I just, I don't ever want to seem like that dude that's just faking the phone.
That's what I'm saying.
You're not faking it.
You're there before you rapping.
You're doing it because you love it.
Yeah, but you know how the media is.
Fuck that shit.
But if you can kickflip, it's like son, if you can kickflip, you real.
Bro, we had Tony Hawk on the pod, right?
Should be free now.
You obviously know Tony Hawk.
Of course.
I saw him perform at X Games in Austin.
Crazy.
Yeah, it was cool as fuck.
He was on that big ass fucking half pipe.
Oh, my God.
But he said he was on some show or something that he thought he was just going to be a like a celebrity guest.
And they were like, Tony, can you kickflip or something like that?
And he's like, sure.
Now, he's a vert dude.
He's not like a street skating dude.
And he was like, he's going into the kickflip.
He's going like, bro, I haven't landed a kickflip first time in a while.
It's 50-50.
I'm going to land this.
This is the greatest vert skater ever.
Like, completely transformed the sport.
He ends up landing, of course.
All I'm saying is if you're busting out kickflips like that, nobody's questioning whether you skate.
Oh, yeah, hell yeah.
Go find a video, bro.
I got her sending it to me.
I don't have them.
Kickflips on a Half Pipe00:06:37
I got her sending it to me.
There's a skate park in Lake Jackson.
It's not me doing no crazy shit, but I'm definitely riding the park.
Oh, that's awesome.
That's got to be a music video.
Like your phone.
It's going to be crazy.
Yeah.
All right.
Before you go, I want to hear about the story where you were chased by the cops and you pissed yourself.
Yeah, I pissed myself like 12 times that night trying to stay warm.
But explain the buildup to that.
All right.
So we're coming from Brazilia and we're going into Lake Jackson.
And these are small country towns.
And I remember I'm riding in the car.
You got it?
Crazy, huh?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I'm waiting for her to send some more.
Okay, go on.
Anyways, oh yeah, we're coming from Brazilia into Lake Jackson.
And somebody driving, passenger seat, somebody right here, and I'm right here behind the passenger seat.
And I know these dudes, but they all know each other better.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, they grew up with each other.
I'm kind of just like, I'm cool with them, you know what I'm saying?
And I got some slides on that I just got for Christmas.
Like they think we're like champ slides, some socks, pants with no underwear and a jacket with no shirt on, a zip-off jacket with no shirt.
And I'm skinny at the time.
And we get pulled over.
I see the lights.
I'm like, oh, shit, cuz I finna get his ticket.
We finna get right back on.
And he fucking, they all three look at each other and I was like, oh, shit, you know, what's up?
And they get this book back and they throw it on me.
And they're like, man, you gotta run.
I ain't gonna hold you, cuz.
And within that split, I'm fucked up, you know.
So within that split second of me being fucked up and trying to think about it, I'm like, shit, I'm either a finna, they finna come to this car.
They probably weren't even gonna search us.
I was probably just tripping.
You know what I'm saying?
I was just probably tripping.
And they, you know, I either knew that they're gonna come and they're gonna search us and nobody gonna own up to it.
And if nobody own up to it, man, everybody going to jail, you know?
Because it's in here.
It was some shit.
And fucking, I ended up jumping out the car.
I was like, fuck, I gotta go.
I got a better chance with just making it on my own.
So I fucking grabbed the hoe and took it and fucking I jumped the fence.
My slides fell off my feet and I took off running and I'm running on all this land.
With the work.
Yeah.
And on somebody's land.
No.
Yeah, running through the shit.
And like, I fucking, you know, I run through a church and I fucking, you know what I'm saying?
I do all this extra shit.
I had to swim through.
While you're high.
Yeah, high as fuck.
I had to swim through fucking a river to get to the other side of the land.
I'm in this water.
I'm trying to hold on to a bar under the bridge.
You know what I'm saying?
Because I'm trying to stay underwater.
You know what I'm saying?
Because I'm thinking they coming after me.
And I see these lights.
And I'm like, fuck that hell.
You know, it's the end.
I'm just praying, just fucking praying.
Like, dog, why am I here?
Why am I in this shit?
And because I'm going just to go fuck with some shorties.
You know, like, this was not on my agenda.
And I ended up getting out the water.
I poke my head out and I see the lights are gone.
I'm like, fuck, they probably got them off thinking I'm finna get out thinking that they're gone.
So I'm sitting in here even longer and it's cold as fuck.
The wind's blowing.
It's fucking raining.
You know what I'm saying?
And they're like, fuck it.
He's in the woods.
I'm sure that's why they left.
Like, you got to say, like, it was a rainy ass night that night.
It was cold as fuck.
The wind blowing hard as shit.
And there's hogs out there.
They're not worried about me no more.
I'm deep in there.
And I'm running.
I'm running.
I remember giving up.
I just laid down.
I had cotton eyes.
I'm like, fuck.
Like, I laid there.
Like, fuck, they just gonna have to come get me.
Fully gave up.
And then I laid there for like five seconds, ten seconds.
I said a quick ass prayer, got up, and I kept running.
And fucking, I ain't look, you know, keep running.
I'm fucking running through a, I'm running in like about ankle deep water now, you know what I'm saying?
I had to jump a barbed wire fence and cut the crotch of my pants all the way to my ankle leg.
So now this whole entire leg getting smacked by cold ass wind and ass.
Hell yeah.
I had to fucking like military crawl through land so people wouldn't see me.
You know, I was fucked off.
Whoa.
Yeah, it was crazy.
Cold as fuck.
Ended up laying down right here.
And I fucking, I was kept falling asleep and I'd fucking doze off.
And like every dream that I had, I was at my grandpa's house.
But I would always dream of being in a different area.
So like I first dreamed, I was on the back patio and I was smoking with her.
And I'm like, all right, grandpa, I'm finna go to bed.
And you ever go to your bed and just kind of like just blop on it?
So I do that.
And every time, boom, I hit the bed, I wake up.
And I had that dream like five times.
Eventually, I just got fucking mad and woke up and got back on the run.
I'm like, fuck that dream.
But while I'm sleeping, I'm fucking, I'd wake up and I would just piss.
And I'd keep my hands right here.
And I'd be like, I'd fucking, I'd try to keep it, you know, keep warm.
And it's cold as fuck.
All this rain hitting me and shit, so I'm pissing like a motherfucker, you know?
Oh, I was stepping in cow shit, too.
I was trying to keep my toes warm.
I stepped first.
First, I stepped in cow shit and I was like, oh, I stepped in fucking cow shit.
And then I was like, fuck, it's all keep my toes warm.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Yeah, as well.
So everything worked out?
You got away?
Yeah, hell yeah.
I ended up getting to my cousin's house.
That motherfucker had to take my clothes off for me because I was like so weak.
I had to jump in the show.
I was sick as fuck for like two weeks after that.
Get out of here.
And what happened to the guys you were with?
They tried to lie, talking about they got locked up and shit.
Because we was all young.
They tried to say they got sensitive juvenile and shit.
I was like, man, fuck that, bro.
Did they ask for the work back?
Hell yeah.
The first thing they asked me was, where's the shit?
And what'd you say?
I said, it's fuck it gone.
But if I had it, it's mine.
Did you have it?
Hell no.
I threw it in that water.
I didn't want to get caught with it.
Oh, that's crazy.
Have you ever been arrested?
Yeah, hell yeah.
Oh, really?
Yeah, but like, man, getting me out of there, I bound out quick.
Why?
You got to get it.
That just fucked me.
Hell no, bro.
No, no TV, no phone.
I can't go without my phone.
You know what I'm saying?
I got a shit in front of everybody.
I don't mind shit.
I ain't going to lie.
Never mind.
I can't.
I shit on the side of the road one time.
I was walking to the complex and I was like, I just had the BGs and I couldn't hold it.
I just took my shirt off, wiped my ass, went right back with me.
We played soccer that night.
Wow.
With your own shirt, bro.
I went shirtless.
You wiped your ass with the shirt?
Fuck, I was going to wipe it with it.
On a cold night, some criminal probably ran through that shit and was like, let's keep my toes on.
Yeah, it's a nice shirt I found some shit.
Learning Acoustic Guitar Now00:01:00
What's one man's trash?
It's the next man's come up.
Exactly.
Dude, that is crazy, man.
Bro.
What a life.
You're the man, dude.
We really appreciate you coming on the pod, man.
This is so great, brother.
I really appreciate you.
Any way we can help you, let us know, man.
Of course, man.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Man, go check out Lone Star Luchador right now.
Listen to it everywhere you listen to music.
And go tap in, man.
That Mexican OT on Instagram.
What else?
Yeah, everything's at Mexican OT.
I've actually been wanting to start Twitching on video because I play a lot of video games.
Oh, hell yeah.
I might as well start doing that, you know.
Yeah, get on.
Fans would want to see it.
For sure.
All right, so go find him.
Go find him on all things.
And I'm excited for the Steve Ray Vaughan collab.
I'm excited for that.
Yeah, that's going to be stupid.
That move right there, man.
Hell yeah.
Dude, so stupid.
I want to play at the rodeo.
I want to walk out singing Troubadour.
Oh, that's why I'm trying to learn acoustic right now.