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But I think your life experiences have informed your perspective in a way that a lot of other people in the media field maybe do not know or can't relate to or they just don't have these life experiences.
So bring me back to the beginning.
Iran.
Born.
Christian.
Assyrian and Armenian?
Assyrian and Armenian.
Okay.
Very briefly, what is Assyrian?
Assyrian is Babylonian.
They're the first Christians, first warriors.
You know, them and Armenians always debate on who was the first Christian.
If you read the Bible, you see Assyrians all the time.
Aramaic, so I speak Aramaic.
So Passion of the Christ.
You speak Arabic.
I speak Aramaic.
So in the movie Passion of the Christ, we understand what they were saying.
Wow.
Nobody else.
Well, I mean, except for seven of us, you know.
Wait a minute.
You grew up speaking the language the Bible was written in?
Yes.
Yes.
Is it different in Aramaic than it is in English?
I'll give you our numbers.
It's Assyrian.
It's close.
Ichad, Steam, Shalosh.
That's right.
They got to make it about themselves.
Every single time.
We were having a nice moment over here with the Christians.
What about something?
The Jews come in.
Anyway.
Okay, so you're in Iran.
Shah falls.
What is happening in Iran during the reign of the Shah?
So the Shah goes from being this 21-year-old guy, comes in.
His father is this powerful man who is kicked out a couple times.
He is feared.
He is hated.
He is, you know, respected.
He's a guy that raises his son in a way that they're not that close.
It's like, you know, it's the father, it's the Shah, the king.
And the son has to go do all this different work.
He spoke seven different languages, the Shah, smart guy.
He could do interviews in literally seven different languages.
He comes in, he changes the game.
Mossadegh was a guy that a lot of the, he would be the modern day Bernie Sanders.
So they wanted Mossadegh to be the president.
He was going to give the oil money back to the people, all this stuff.
And then with the help of CIA, you'll read this in many different places.
The Shah ends up coming in.
He becomes the king.
And it changes everything in Iran.
You know, education improves women, freedom, voice.
They can become lawyers.
You know, there was an entertainment aspect to it.
Frank Sinatra, all these guys used to go to Iran.
It was top three richest, like the wealthiest of the wealthiest in the 70s and the late 60s.
You would go to Iran, Burma, and Cuba.
Was it like Dubai?
I'm trying to imagine.
It was like Dubai.
I mean, listen, Elizabeth Taylor was dating the ambassador Zahedi.
They were together.
So she would go to visit him.
Elizabeth Taylor.
She dated everybody, but she was also dating Zahidi at the time.
And then all of a sudden, you know, Khomeini from France is sending these tapes.
Before there was YouTube, there were these tapes that would go viral.
So guys were sitting there recording these tapes and giving it away to people.
And Khomeini is talking about how bad it is, what's going on in Iran, and how he put this party together, the 2,500-year party in Iran.
And that was the end of it.
I cannot believe you spent this much money.
Look how much money you're spending on the lavish party.
He invited everybody to Iran.
If you ever see the pictures of this party, it's insane what he did with the party.
And then eventually, you know, Jimmy Carter comes in December 31st, 1977.
There's a toast.
Jimmy Carter says this is a very important partner to us.
The moment he, imagine New Year's, you can be anywhere in the world.
He's in Iran.
Okay.
He leaves.
Next thing you know, gradually revolution starts one by one by one.
And then eventually 9 million people revolted after this event that took place.
Sinamar Rex fire in a city called Abadan.
Abadan is like a bunch of provinces.
It was a beautiful place.
This movie theater, 400 people are in there.
They lock the doors from both ends.
They turn the place on fire.
People die.
The police station is right across the street.
Khomeini says it was Shah's people that did a SAVAC.
SAVAC is like the CIA MI6.
And the Shah says, we didn't do anything here.
Why would we kill 400 people?
Khomeini's, Shah's people, like Khomeini's people did this.
Anyways, the people believed Khomeini's camp and they said Shah was behind this.
Long story short, I'm born October 1878, which is at the peak of Sinama Rex's fire.
My mother, when we're going to the hospital, curfewed 10 o'clock.
They had to be escorted.
I go to the hospital.
I'm born.
Three months later, Shah's out.
And then Iran falls and the rest is history.
What happens to Christians in Iran at this time?
It's a scary time to be a Christian.
It's a scary time to be Baha'i.
It is a scary time to be pro-Shah.
It is a scary time to be any military leader part of Shah's camp.
They were, you know, killed.
My father was connected to the Shah?
No, he was a fan of the Shah.
My dad was a regular guy.
We don't come from a lot of money.
But my dad, they were imperialist and my mother, they were communist.
My mother's family, they were strong communists at the time.
And so they couldn't stand the Shah.
They were happy the Shah fell.
So I'm in the middle of my mom thinks rich people are greedy.
My dad thinks poor people are lazy.
And I'm seeing this debate going back and it's the best debate ever.
You are your father's death.
Welcome to America.
But let me tell you why my mother taught me the paranoia side.
And I think you need that in business.
I think you need that in life.
I think you need that.
What do you mean by that?
The paranoia?
Paranoia, where you got to, you know, only the paranoid survive.
Andy Grove, the Hungarian entrepreneur who ran Intel, he's the godfather of Silicon Valley where everybody admired this guy.
He wrote a book in the 80s and maybe the early 90s called Only the Paranoid Survive in the game of business.
If you're not paranoid, boom, somebody takes you out.
Same in the military, same in business.
You need a little bit of that.
So growing up in this kind of a climate in Iran, you're always like, are you Christian?
Why do you ask?
Instead of, yes, I am.
You know, hey, what nationality are you?
Instead of giving the answers, like, what's the motive behind the question?
Because you're a little bit paranoid.
So that kind of helps.
And people may look at it and say, was that really a good thing or a bad thing?
I think it's a very good thing.
Okay, so then from Iran, you guys flee.
Yes.
Go to Germany.
Yes.
Refugee camp.
Yep.
Are you worried about going to like a camp in Germany, given the history?
Yeah, that was cool.
Let me put it to you this way, man.
I mean, for us in Iran, Mo Khomeini died.
This is like, he died June 2nd, I want to say, of 89, June 2nd or 3rd.
He dies.
I'm in school.
Parents can't find me.
You know, there is no Uber, text, this, that, riots protesting everywhere.
I'm trying to find my mom.
I'm 10 years old.
And we finally do.
They take us home.
We get to the house.
My mom and dad have this exchange together.
We got to get the hell out of here.
We're not staying here.
If he stays here, he's got to serve the military here.
Boom.
Six weeks later, we go to Germany, refugee camp.
We're on the plane, Lufthansa, and you hear the announcer saying, you know, you're free to drink alcohol.
We've officially crossed the border.
So that's when everybody felt free because nobody thought it was real until they said you can drink alcohol.
Wow.
It was a very wild moment.
Yeah.
I will never forget that.
Wow.
Okay, you land.
What's the refugee camp in Germany like?
I mean, listen, man, it's not what you think.
It's just a bunch of people that are trying to fight for freedom.
You know, we're all from Poland, from Czechoslovakia at the time, Yugoslavia, family, you know, Ana Maria Miodrag, you know, the Staff family over here.
And we're all living together.
They would come, they would drop off the food.
You would go pick it up, the apple, you know, juice, all this stuff, milk.
He would bring it in.
We had a small little park.
It was an army base right next to us.
And so we would go and look over the building to see what the guys were blowing up in the army base.
So that's what it was like.
And, you know, you'd go to school and they would look at you.
You know, you came to our country and you're making it worse because there was some, you know, a lot of things were going on with the stabbing, the fights, all this stuff.
So I'm a Middle Eastern guy.
You automatically put that person in the, you can't blame the guys to be thinking that because there was a lot of that going on in Germany, but it was, it was a, it was a different experience.
How do you get to America?
So we're there for about a year and a half.
Eventually we get the green card and we get the call.
We're going.
And it's November 28, 1990.
We land in New York.
I'm looking for Rocky.
I'm looking for Goonies.
I'm looking for gremlins.
If you remember gremlins back in the days, I'm like, where are these guys at?
I couldn't find any of them.
Eventually we got to LA.
There's some gremlins out here.
There is no gremlins.
And then eventually we get to LA from New York.
And, you know, any idea why LA?
Sorry.
Well, I mean, pay respect to Mecca, right?
Which is Glendale.
Glendale.
That was my thought.
Granada Hills, then Glendale.
And then we stayed in Glendale for six years.
Oh, wow.
Everybody looks like this in Glendale, by the way.
Your parents' plan the whole time was to go to Glendale?
No, no, no, not at all.
My dad wanted to stay, but my dad also had a sister in Chicago.
So he would always come back and forth from Chicago.
In 84, he comes back.
He brings this tape with the best 80s song.
So when we came in, you're playing the 80s music.
It was sick because every time I listen to 80s, I go back to that tape.
By the way, whoever picked the songs, I'm still trying to figure this out.
Marquita!
Calvin Harris.
Shaw's death on.
You know, all this stuff was played.
It was great.
But yeah, you know, it was a great experience.
Okay, you're growing up in L.A. You feel probably a little bit more comfortable, I imagine, because you're growing up around a lot of people who kind of look like you, shared experience.
I think at this time, there's a lot of persons that are moving into Beverly Hills.
They also left after the Shafel, right?
So now maybe you don't feel as out of place.
Is that fair to say?
I felt out of place in Germany.
I didn't feel out of place in Germany.
No, I'm saying.
Absolutely.
You're right.
You're in place in Glendale.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
The desire to be American, right?
To prove your American-ness.
Does that happen when you're a kid moving here?
or you're seeing the movies and you're like, I want to take part in this experiment.
Does it happen when you're in LA?
I'm wondering because you go to the Air Force and I've always thought that like that is a way of proving that you're willing to pay the price to be part of this amazing experiment.
Was that your motivation?
So, you know, the concept, the evolution of becoming a proud American probably happened due to a few different events.
One of them, I would say, is as you age, whatever your parents sold you, whatever your teacher sold you, whatever the pastor's uncle sold you, then you find the contradictions in the arguments.
And you're like, yeah, I don't know about that.
Because in Iran, you're growing up in an environment where everybody says, margarit, hombrika, marq bad, hombrika, death upon America.
And they're flagellating their back, and you're like looking outside hearing these 10,000 men screams like, why death upon America?
It's the evil empire.
It's horrible.
Let me tell you what they do.
They're behind all the wars and they do this and they're like, okay, maybe they're right.
Maybe they're not.
I don't know yet.
Skeptical.
Let me find out for myself.
Rich people are greedy and all this other stuff.
And I'm like, wait a minute.
What are you talking about?
The only way you become rich is to help other people around you also become rich.
You can't become rich by yourself.
Most people that build a company that grew up, they don't have 100% equity in the company.
You have to share the equity.
Other people come in.
You have to have jobs.
You have to recruit good people.
You have to keep them.
You're about to lose a guy.
You don't give him that raise.
He's going to go elsewhere.
You can't become rich by yourself.
You're going to need other people that's going to help you out.
So contradictions.
Then I joined the military.
I'm in the army, Hunter 1st Airborne Division.
It's September of 97.
We walk in, the unit, they say, there's a movie coming out.
It's about our units.
As long as we can get it, we watch a movie.
I'm all in.
I love movies.
So we go.
600 kids.
When I say kids, 18, 2, 25.
This movie, you're going to be the first to see it before it's public because it's about your unit.
You have to be proud about this movie.
It's your unit.
It's the badge.
I'm like, okay, great.
Let's see what this is.
Saving Private Ryan.
Let me tell y'all, dude, movie ends.
We're all on fire.
Emotional.
I'm going to seize them.
I'm going to take care of my life.
I'm so fired up about this movie that I'm coming out saying, you know what?
I'm proud to be an American.
Then we go to one of the military ceremonies, whether it was Memorial Day or 4th of July.
And I'm looking at these 40-year-old generals, toughest men in tears coming down.
And they have a look like this, but they're crying because they lost the soldier and how they fought for freedom and everybody else kicking it, hanging out.
They're not thinking about the people that had the hard lives.
And I'm interviewing these guys.
What was it like?
What was he like?
Who's your friend?
Who's this?
And you gradually like, listen, man, this is an incredible country.
And then more and more and more, as you come up, and a regular guy like this with a 4.6 GPA, 15, 10 SAT, all of a sudden you're like, oh, man, you can actually win here.
And then gradually the levels to winning keeps going.
You're like, you know, what else is possible here?
It's just like playing a game.
I'm going to play this game out and see where it goes.
And then obviously, I can sell this is the greatest country in the world comfortably in many different ways.
Results, freedom, what we've been able to produce, why so many people come here.
If we're a restaurant, it's a restaurant that's always full.
Everybody's in line trying to get into this restaurant.
Even when we're busy, even more people want to come here legally, illegally, risk their lives.
It doesn't matter.
Everybody wants to come here.
So now, that doesn't guarantee this place is going to stay this great.
You know, I'm having breakfast with a very successful man in Hollywood, and we're going back and forth.
And the question that becomes, okay, so now what do we do?
I got four kids.
I got an 11-year-old, nine-year-old, six-year-old.
She's going to be seven tomorrow.
And I got a two-year-old.
She'll be two in a month.
We have a great life.
But man, can you imagine?
It's kind of like, well, I made my money.
I'm just going to chill.
I'm not going to put myself out there because I just kind of want to be invited to all these parties.
I don't want to be not invited to these parties.
I don't want to be not part of these networks.
No, we got to do our part as well.
So I feel there's a responsibility now to bring it from a different angle.
You know, I'm Middle Eastern, so I can talk to white, black, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Asian, Christian, atheist, rich, poor, middle, upper, educated, uneducated.
Let's talk.
Let's hash it out.
Let's see how many things we have in common and what things we disagree with.
Give me your argument why.
Give me your argument why.
Now let's see what we got there.
So I think that's kind of the concept of what happened with the Love for America.
I wanted to ask you a question.
When you're growing up, you come here.
What's your mentality about how you're going to take advantage of being in America?
Are you looking at it like, I'm going to start my own business?
I have capitalism at my fingertips.
No.
I came here not trusting America.
I came here like looking at the white man like, I've learned a lot about you, Mr. White man.
I see you coming to school in the BMW and we're coming in in the used 79 Honda Court hatchback, you know, that only goes drive, doesn't go reverse.
Okay, you're special.
You think you're better than me, right?
So that bit of animosity or kind of looking at them funny, that was there.
There was nothing about I'm going to come here to become rich and do this.
No, of course, don't get me wrong.
I was the dreamer since I was a kid.
Wilson Jr. high school, we're coming down Verduga.
Michael Jordan Mentality00:05:05
I'd be the guy.
Say we're all walking down and I say, listen, guys, question for you.
Okay, you got one of four choices.
Which one do you want to be?
You can be the richest man in America, Bill Gates.
You can be the best athlete in America, Michael Jordan.
You can be the best performer in the world, Michael Jackson.
Or you can be the president.
Who do you want to be?
And we debated for 30 minutes.
It was great.
At that time, it would probably be money because I grew poor.
You know, I didn't have a lot of money.
So it was more than it.
And now, if I could jump 48 inches, listen, are you kidding me?
I mean, it's not even a question about it.
Same answer right now.
You'd be the athlete if you could jump 48 inches.
Michael?
It's not just an athlete.
You got to get the billion because you're Michael Jordan.
It's Michael.
I just want to make sure you were saying that.
No, man, it's Michael.
You know, it's Michael.
I would never want to be Bill Gates.
Yeah.
Nah.
Ever.
I have zero interest in being Bill Gates.
Most of those answers sounded unappealing.
Which one?
Michael Jackson.
God, nobody wants to be that.
Bill Gates.
Jesus Christ.
No, no, Michael Jackson.
I would be MJ.
I'd be MJ.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I want to be.
Both of them are MJs, by the way.
So which MJ are you talking about?
Michael Jackson.
I go to Michael.
I'm going to be Jackson?
That's what I'm saying.
Seven is affliction.
He's not sweet.
Pre-knowing all of that.
I could have saved all those shits.
He's a serious affliction.
I'm doing it to save the kids.
That's your energy source, man.
No, no, no, no.
It's Jordan, but then Jackson.
Jackson would be second out of Jackson.
Why Jackson?
I mean, out of Gates and president?
President, I don't want to be.
That's too much fun.
So that's kind of what the angle you're growing.
Yeah, I feel like if you're Michael and you have aspirations to do the other two, you can.
If you're Jordan, if you're George Jordan, you could be president and you're going to be a billionaire.
He is.
He's not going to have a problem with that.
By the way, did you guys watch the movie Air or no?
No, yeah.
No, no.
Fantastic.
Three times in the first week I watched.
Wow, wow.
We took the whole team to why.
You'll see why.
Yeah.
Sick movie.
Reno, we added that second show.
Very low ticket morning on that.
So June 24th, make sure you get whatever's left over there.
We added Oklahoma City.
We're going to be there the 21st and 22nd of July.
Bethlehem, PA, thank you guys so much for selling out the show.
We are adding a second show that should be up by now.
And then Atlantic City, man.
We're going to look into potentially doing another show there as well.
That's been crazy.
You guys have been gobbling up tickets to that.
Thank you guys so much for that.
Also, Calgary, we'll see you guys out there in August.
Thank you guys so much.
D'AndrewSchultz.com for the tickets.
And, you know, I love doing this more than anything.
So I can't wait to see you guys out there.
Peace.
Are you like a LeBron guy or a Michael guy?
I'm curious.
You're like diplomatic.
It's great.
It's not diplomacy, but it's like Michael did some things to me like as a Knicks fan.
I eventually beat Michael Jackson.
I want to do it, Jackson.
That's what I'm saying.
So like as a Knicks fan, Michael Jordan broke my heart, right?
And then I also got to experience Jordan when the athleticism was starting to wane and he was just willing himself to victory.
So I started to root for the guy who broke my heart.
Like when that series against the Pacers, I don't know if you remember this.
And it was like, I found like greatness transformed my hatred for him into adulation.
So I have like the ultimate respect for Jordan, but also with Braun.
Like I remember being there when he sealed the 3-1, when he was down 3-1, I came back.
I was literally in like fucking Aruba or something like that.
I was sitting next to a guy and his wife who were from Ohio randomly in Aruba.
And it was like us, some Swedes.
There was like eight people watching this game.
And the guy from Ohio just starts crying.
Like it was just that he couldn't believe what just happened.
And I saw that.
So yeah, I think it's, I think if you're being objective and you've actually grown up with both of them, the kids who never saw Jordan, they only know him as a guy who makes sneakers.
Like, of course, you don't know what greatness is.
It's Michael, though.
Bro, it's Michael.
Jordan, it's Jordan.
And I'll say this.
It's Jordan because Jordan is 100%er.
Michael Irvin said this when he came on the podcast.
He goes, I'm 100%.
We go, what does that mean?
He goes, it doesn't matter what it is.
I'm giving 100%.
Right.
I'm giving 100%.
That is what it is.
And Michael didn't need any extra motivation.
He didn't need the playoffs.
He didn't need the finals.
It could be a random game on a Thursday and he is going to give 100% and break you.
And he'd have to make up that motivation sometimes.
But that level of competitiveness, I don't know if we've seen match with his skill level ever.
And I don't know if we'll ever see it again.
Yeah, closest it came is Kobe.
And I do think it's Michael, but I also get annoyed with the Michael guys who just shit on everything LeBron does.
And it's like, yo, LeBron is second and it's fairly close.
But it's indisputable.
Yeah.
It's indisputable that he is if you can't look at, I'm a Kobe guy.
Do you think that's how Jews were when Jesus came around?
They were like, nah, bro.
Nah, he's not like our guy.
I mean, he's nice, kind of.
And then like Christians, when Muhammad came around, like, maybe that's just what happens.
Like, you always need.
You got to respect Muhammad's game, but Jesus, when he did it, like, what do you want?
Military to Finance Competitiveness00:06:27
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Anyway, so, yeah, okay.
So you have this crazy thing.
You go, you become crazy successful, right?
You get some confidence from the military, I imagine.
Yeah.
When do you go?
Like, why finance?
You go from the military to finance.
Why?
Man, I love numbers.
It's as simple as that.
I mean, I can't tell you how much I love numbers.
Oh, yeah.
I love anything to do.
Everything here is numbers.
Number of cameras, angles, how you're seated, you know, the books, you know, the buy books by foot, you know, 10 feet, 20 feet here.
Everything is.
You know how much you love numbers?
You took the SAT and then walked out of the verbal portion.
Which means you literally just dropped the SAT by the time.
I'm not getting any college.
I just want to do this test.
And I love, listen, when I was in the Army, I bought a math analysis book just to do math analysis in the Army in my barracks.
That's how we, this is not a story I proudly share, but that's how much I love numbers.
So when I worked on Morgan Stanley Dean Wooder and I'm looking at the Series 7, everything, they're like, you realize you're going to fail this test.
You know, if you fail it, you're not going to get a job here.
I'm like, let me give it a shot.
And then you take the Series 7.
First time, if you fail, you lost your, you get fired.
Boom.
I'm like, I love this world.
Look at this.
What if he can do this and you can take money and do this with it?
But what about this investment?
How about the, it's a beautiful game.
I mean, to me, capitalism is all a game.
If you look at this game of like the whole concept of business, you're playing the game and you're killing it, right?
I mean, flagrant, you guys are killing it.
Your podcast, your show as a comedian, the whole concept of a comedian, how you do it.
You know, if you're too disconnected from the audience, you're not going on the road to kind of see the reaction, how they reacted.
How many do people react into this joke?
Men, women, most of them were men.
None of them were women.
What if I can do this?
How about if I come?
That's all numbers.
Everything with your world is also mathematical formula behind it.
So for me, when I got into the financial services, I was like, oh, I found my home.
And I said, I'm going to go 20 years.
Yeah.
I said, I'm going to go 20 years.
And then I went 20 years.
October of 09, after Morgan Stanley Dean Wooder, I go to Transamerica.
I'm there seven and a half years.
Then I see what's going on in the marketplace.
And I'm seeing the fact that, you know, the insurance industry is filled with 56-year-old white male.
And I saw no one else is going from women selling insurance.
Do you know anything about insurance at this time?
Nothing.
My parents have never been okay.
My parents have never lived in a house my parents owned.
They've never owned insurance.
We didn't even have auto insurance back in the day.
Nothing.
My dad was a cashier at a 99 cent store.
No, we got nothing.
Zero.
Okay.
And I kept asking my mom, I was like, you guys sure we don't have some kind of a relative that's got oil?
I'm looking for one uncle.
Does anybody have money?
Nothing.
Zero.
So you're like, all right, fuck it.
I'll just dominate the insurance business.
Yeah.
Now, how did you dominate?
You said there was basically a white space where everybody is white male.
So now you can.
Let me tell you, there's a couple of things that was going on.
And this applies to every business.
This applies to whatever you do in your life.
So these guys wrote this book called Blue Ocean Strategy.
If you've never read it, you've got to read it.
Okay.
So the core concept of Blue Ocean Strategy is how can you be, everybody's making fun of these guys.
How about if I'm not going to compete for this space, I'm going to go do comedy here.
Everybody's playing this game.
Everybody's selling to these guys.
I'm going to go sell here.
So I'm looking at insurance and I said, okay, everybody's targeting this audience.
No one's targeting the fastest growing audience in America.
It's the Hispanic audience.
And no one is recruiting women.
Only 17% of agents are women.
You're kidding me?
No.
Perfect.
That's what we're going to be doing.
Boom.
We target that audience.
The financial industry was going away from social media because they were scared.
Everything was, every communication you have with your client, you have to document it.
We can't do that.
Social media is not waiting for you.
So I dropped my securities license.
I focused only on life.
Fast forward to today.
We just sold the company a year ago.
We have roughly 45,000 people we've licensed in 49 different states.
54% or so are women.
51% are Hispanic in a company.
And the average age is 34 years old.
You come to a convention, you're going to look at the audience, you're going to say, there's no way in the world this is an insurance conference.
A big ass party.
How much did you sell the company for?
A few hundred million dollars.
A few hundred million is a wonderful way to say.
Okay, so you get complete financial freedom.
You don't have to work another day in your life.
I don't have to work a single day in my life.
And then you decide to be a YouTuber.
Well, you know, the YouTubing thing kind of started 2013.
Right.
Well, I'm like, yeah, let me do a video a week called Two Minutes with Pat.
We do 100 videos.
Only the last video was two minutes.
Everything else was seven minutes, nine minutes, 12 minutes.
And then we kind of grow and I'm like, listen, there's an audience for entrepreneurship.
Let's pick one word.
We went entrepreneur, created a bunch of business content.
And I said, I'm not touching politics.
Every time I did politics, Mario would say, Pat, you're talking politics.
This is not politics.
Pat, you said you don't want to do political content.
Okay, listen, we can't do this one.
Let's change it.
And then eventually I take a break.
We're at like 450,000 subs.
And I said, I'm not doing this right now.
We took a three-month break.
I was having kids and family's busy.
I'm traveling six months on the road.
So I said, if we come back, we got to really compete.
We got to really do something with this.
And then we bought the domain value tame from a publicly traded company.
And we picked it up.
They changed their companies into value tees.
Then we started changing the structure.
We're going to do some interviews.
We're going to talk to some people like yourself.
And boom, that became interesting.
We do an interview with Michael Francis.
It's on the cover of World Star.
Everybody's messaging us.
And we're like, wait a minute, this thing just got that many views?
This thing got this many views?
Yeah.
What can we do now?
Michael Franchise is a famous mobster.
Out of Long Island or something like that.
Where was he?
Right around here.
He was making anywhere between $2 to $10 million a week in a gas business.
Yeah, he was a smart mobster.
He was a smart mobster.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
He found a hack.
What was it?
What was the gas hack again?
The gas tax.
It was the 41 cent discount.
This is brilliant.
Yeah.
Because he wasn't paying the gas tax.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he connected with the actual gas stations, right?
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
Him and the Russian mob worked together closely and he could get gas cheaper than anybody else for you.
20 cent discount for you.
And everybody was calling him.
He was the guy that was running everybody.
And then next thing, you know, they're like, wait a minute, this guy's making the Fortune magazine comes at the top 50 most powerful mobsters in America.
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He's on like number 13 list at the age of 38.
It's like, wait a minute, why is this?
And he's not even a boss.
I don't even know if he was made at the time, right?
He was a capo.
He was a cop.
So there's the boss, the conciliary, the underboss, then you have capo.
He was a capo.
Okay.
Sammy was a underboss under Gotti, but and Sammy made money, but Michael was known as the earner.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you get into these mob guys and you're doing a bunch of these interviews.
Yeah.
And when do you pivot?
When does it become, when do you feel like you can affect culture a little bit more?
Because I feel like now that you're tapping more into culture, I don't like to call it politics.
I think politics is a reflection of culture.
But I feel like you're talking a lot more about culture and the things that you're saying.
It's not only motivational stuff when it comes to business, but it's also opinion when it comes to, you know, societal breakdown, if you will.
So, you know, in Hollywood, they look at actors like Justin Timberlake and they call him what?
You know, they call him triple threat, right?
This guy can dance, he can sing, he can act, right?
There's not a lot of them out there that are good in those three areas, right?
If you were to look at some of the names, maybe you put Will Smith in there, maybe you put Chris Brown in there, but then you have Justin Timberlake.
That's terrible.
Jamie Fox.
100% Jamie Fox.
Yeah, 100% Jamie Fox.
So for me, I'm looking at the game and I'm studying everybody.
And I said, okay, this guy is a great host.
That is a skill set.
What's a great host?
What do you think?
What do you think?
Do you agree with each other?
What do you disagree with what he has to say?
Andrew, how about yourself?
So that's a whole that's a skill set, right?
To be a great host.
Like Larry King is a great host.
But nobody will say, what was Larry King's opinion in XYZ?
That's not his game.
He played this, right?
Ernie Johnson on Inside the NBA.
Say that again.
Ernie Johnson on Inside the NBA.
Ernie Johnson Inside the NBA.
Absolutely.
He is a great host, right?
But if I ask you right now, what is Ernie's opinion on XYZ?
You're not going to think about it, right?
Then you have talent opinion, Barkley.
That guy makes the show, right?
Talent, opinion.
You know, here's what I think we ought to.
They're making a mistake.
These guys are a bunch of idiots.
You know, San Antonio underwears are the biggest.
You know, let me tell you.
What is this guy talking about?
But he's entertaining.
Chuck, you can't say that.
Why'd you just say that?
I got to say this, the truth.
Okay.
So you got a host.
You got the talent, the opinion, and then you got analyst, Kenny Smith, which means, let me give you an idea why based on this data, da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
Each is attracted by a different kind of an audience, right?
If you can do all three, now you got a different kind of a element of talent.
So for me, I looked at this and I said, okay, I enjoy this.
I enjoy listening to banter conversation, but then I got opinions about different things.
So there is risk with the opinion game.
Big time.
That's the risk.
So a lot of times I had, again, I had a meeting with this guy today, billionaire, business guy, Hollywood music.
You know, what we talked about for breakfast, you can't talk in his world and give what he really thinks about, his opinion.
If he does, it could ruin a lot of his business and his life.
So there's a risk into doing that.
Eventually, I said, you know what?
I'm going to do this with Value Taint.
Here's my opinion.
Here's what I believe.
Here's what I do.
If you don't like it, I totally get it.
But I'm going to give it to you for my POV.
And then I want to do PBD podcast and I want to talk about everything.
And I got a lot of interest in culture, family, parenting, kids, economy, politics, add them all together.
So there was an evolution in it.
First, I was just creating content to talk business.
Then I started interviewing.
Then it's opinion.
And then, you know, that's kind of it came about.
Do you think you'd be able to do it if you were still running the insurance business?
Not the way I'm doing it too.
Because they'd attack you for it.
Oh, they're doing it today.
But I say, okay, great.
What do you want me to do?
Really?
I haven't seen a lot of people go at you yet.
No, no.
When I'm from the space.
Oh, it will happen.
In this space.
Yeah.
In this space, in the insurance industry.
So when I'm building the company and I'm in the process of wanting to sell the company, if the company has a category where my opinions are linked to XYZ, a buyer doesn't want to buy the company because did you hear what the founder said?
Did you hear what this guy said?
So there's an element of that where you have to massage your way through on what you really want to say.
I think it's wise to do it anyways.
But today, the handcuffs are, the handcuffs are off today.
Was that also part of the draw of starting your own YouTube channel?
Is I sold my business, or not starting, but really getting into it.
Now I can finally say what I feel.
Whereas before you had to conceal it for me.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, there's a liberation to having the fuck you money.
Yeah, fucking money.
Especially fuck you.
Exactly.
Especially if you're going to, if you're going to have very strong opinions and you have very strong opinions.
Yeah.
Do you worry about that at all?
Like, hmm.
How do I say it?
It's like you're operating, I feel like within, you're operating at the top of your bubble.
And then by bubble, I mean there's a specific lane on YouTube, which you really tap into.
And there's also another lane, which is like Florida.
I feel like in Florida, you're like Rogan.
Like when I was walking around after doing your pod, everybody's like, I just saw you on PBD.
And that was the same thing after I did Rogan, like the first time, just walking around.
People are like, oh, shit, I just saw you, Rogan, et cetera.
But I feel what happens is every time you bubble out of that, right?
You're going to get the scrutiny of the casuals, right?
The people who don't really know you, don't know your experience, don't know your story.
They start hearing about you and they're going to have resentment or animosity for your opinions that are different.
And then they start attacking you for the things you said.
And you've said some people would go very wild things.
Some people would also say that's very rational, your take, right?
Depending on your like politics.
But I feel like when you offered Tucker the 100 million, right?
That was outside of bubble.
Did you feel some heat after that?
Oh, absolutely.
Big time.
Absolutely.
What did people say?
Oh, he's like, you want to dance.
I love it.
I love it.
Oh, my God.
I can't even describe it to you.
Like, I get excited when I even think about what that's going to look like.
You know, look, for me, everybody fights in a different way.
Okay.
There's different styles to fighting.
You know, when you have a fighting style where, you know, Larry Holmes versus Ali versus, you know, all the Ken Norton versus, you know, Foreman versus, you can go and look at everybody.
That's a different style on how they would fight, right?
I think in this world of communication, there's a different way to fight and deliver your message, yet stand your ground, but at the same time, maintain a relationship with the other individual.
That is an art.
It's not easy to do.
It's very hard.
And the way you do it is by, I think what is unattractive is the following is when you're 100%, I'm right, you're wrong, you're an idiot, you're a moron, and some people do it that way.
I don't think you're opening up the door to want to have that exchange.
I think if there's an opportunity to say, listen, man, find some leaks of my argument.
What do you think?
I love that you did that.
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Yeah, tell me.
Maybe I'm off.
Tell me where I'm off.
I'm okay with that.
If I can compliment you a bit more, not only do you bring on people that were going to disagree with you, you don't bring on like punching bags from the other side that you could just bully in an argument.
You bring on smart people who make great cases.
And I think that's really cool and rare in this space.
And going off what Andrew said about you get hate from the general audience that doesn't necessarily know you, how would you describe yourself?
To them or to who?
To everyone?
Everyone in general.
Well, I mean, I think it has to do with how long.
Like, for example, I'm asking him about the story, okay?
The unique story of this building next door, right?
Mom, how he grew up down the street, how far, the bike.
They don't want him to ride the bike because he goes the other way.
October 30th, birthday, 40, family, yesterday's exchange and text.
I'm curious about this guy as a product, right?
I'm curious about him as a human being, but he didn't become who he is today because of what I've consumed of him the last five years.
I want to know what prompted this guy to be here.
Unfortunately, in America, too many times our judgment is on who this person is.
Chelsea Andler makes this video.
Perfect example.
Chelsea Andler makes this video calling out Adam, one of our guys.
And she says, Whoa, look at this guy, Alpha.
Trust me, you are definitely not an alpha.
He gives me the SDE energy.
And trust me, I can tell you for a fact, this guy on Alpha Motivation Zero, you're not Alpha.
This is coming from an Alpha.
You're a zero is what you are.
So she calls him out and she talks about the fact that it's incredible to be childless.
It's phenomenal to wake up and not have any kids, have sex with anybody, want to drink as much alcohol.
All this shit she says.
Video goes viral, 50 million views on Twitter, right?
Whatever the number is.
Okay.
So the average girl is going to watch that and say, what?
That's right.
Screw that STE.
I also want to drink and be able to be with any man.
I don't want to have any kids.
Does anybody even want to have this kind of responsibility in life?
I want to be free because we're equal as men.
Screw them.
I don't need them.
Great.
Then you go read her memoir where she tells a story about when she was nine years old at the age of nine.
Her brother, she describes, who was 22.
I think they have six kids total.
Mom and dad, I think one was a car salesman.
It was a good family, six kids.
The older brother, 22, she calls him my second father, my first boyfriend.
I was in love with him in a way of loving my older brother, but he was my world.
He's going on a mountain hiking trip.
His last words to her was, can I wait to see you when I get back?
The guy dies climbing a mountain while she's nine years old.
He never comes back.
Then when he dies, she says, my mom and dad lost it.
The man I needed next was my dad.
My dad, I didn't have my dad anymore because he lost his mind.
I don't blame him.
He says, in that moment, I realized the pain of losing someone I love.
And secondly, I saw my dad, the pain he went through of losing his child.
Of course, I want to have a hard time with commitment and wanting to have kids and get married.
Do you blame her?
When you read the story, then you're like, okay, Chelsea, I understand.
It's easy to troll her and it's easy for her to troll other men, but we don't know that story.
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So if somebody from the outside says, who's Patrick Bay David?
Here's a rich guy.
He's probably raised in a, you know, I remember there was a time in the third year, the insurance company, I was paying comp more than my competitors were.
A rumor started circulating saying past the link to oil money.
And you know what I did with that rumor?
I ran with it.
I said, you're right.
I have oil money.
I can pay the kind of money you can't pay.
I don't have oil money, man.
I worked at a 99 cent store in Englewood by Great Western Forum 15 years, but I love that rumor.
So I ran with it.
So if somebody doesn't know your story, great.
You can say what you can say.
So if I face opposition, I tell them, how much you know about me?
Tell me your story.
Tell me about your upbringing.
Why did you come to the conclusion of the opinions that you have today?
Tell me.
I remember when this happened, that okay, great.
Can I tell you why I came to this conclusion?
Yes.
Here's mine.
Is it fair that we have different reasons why we came to this conclusion?
You had life-changing experiences like this as well.
How about we respect each other?
Let me make my case to you.
You make your case to me.
Let's see if anybody can persuade the other person.
You game with that?
Let's have a civil conversation.
So that's typically what happens when I face somebody that fully disagrees with some of my views.
Who has fully disagreed?
I mean, and it's not even, you'd be amazed.
They'll come to me and say, hey, you know, you're supportive of Trump on what he does.
And I see your MAGA.
I'm like, I've never worn a MAGA hat.
I'm not a Trump guy.
I'm a guy that...
That's the only thing I don't like about you.
Yeah, this factor.
You're right about everything else, but I got to tell you.
One thing I got to respect the group you guys got here.
For the record, Anna's never worn a MAGA hat because he doesn't want to cover this.
This is the part that was so impressive in your group.
I got an email just so everybody's wondering why I'm dressed like this.
These guys run a tight shop.
Email came in.
Pat has to wear a three-piece suit with a tie.
I had to come here 9.30 in the morning, two hours of makeup.
Couldn't believe that.
Obviously, you want to be president or not?
The flag I saw, the big MAGA flag I saw in your building here, impressed the living crap out of me.
So whole New York.
I got to tell you, it's so ballsy.
And by the way, it's so ballsy.
They have it on the window for people that are walking by to see it.
That's what you want.
What did they do?
They pay homage.
They love it.
It was hurting.
They were so impressed.
They had it right next to me.
Very impressive.
It's a pride flag.
It's a MAGA pride flag.
Make America gay again.
Let's go, baby.
That's what it is.
We're making America gay again down here.
That's why we fluffed you before the show.
100%.
Okay, so what's going on in Florida then?
We have DeSantis just kind of announced, can you help him at all?
Like, what's the deal with this?
He sounds unbelievably corny.
He is.
And everybody tells you, they go, DeSantis is the guy.
Like, he has all the right ideas and this.
And then you hear him talk and you just imagine like him pushing his bifocals up his nose every single sentence.
Is that your guy?
Sure.
Yeah.
So let me explain it from a different perspective.
It's not.
But I'm telling you right now, trust me, if you go watch my clips, their camp can't stand what I say.
How the hell do you announce presidency third week of May and you launch your book February 28th and you promote it based on going on two different interviews that you do 10 minutes, 15 minutes, whatever, however many interviews it is.
You don't go on Megan Kelly.
You don't go on different podcasts or sell the book.
You don't go anywhere.
Everybody forgot about your book.
Oh, I just wrote the book.
You didn't just write the book.
You wrote the book because that's how you run for office.
You write a book, you make your launch on Elon Musk.
And yesterday on the launch, he would have said, if you want to know what I stand for, one, read my book.
Two, go to this website.
And yesterday would have been number one book on Amazon.
A few hundred thousand people would have bought the book.
Then the next promotion layer comes in.
Then he would have sold a few million copies.
Now we're sitting there saying, well, I like the way he explained this with his upbringing.
So complete screw up on the marketing side.
I don't understand what they did there.
We were with them a couple of weeks ago at the governor's mansion for six hours.
They invited a small group of 10 or 15 people to sit there and watch him on what's going on just to see how he handled himself.
And I'm kind of watching the whole thing.
These are all guys that are DeSantis, great guys.
You know some of these names that are in there.
I'm in Florida because of him.
When we were in Texas and we're thinking about where to build a media company, it was going back to Newport Beach.
It was coming down here to Greenwich.
It was going to Tennessee.
Was Tampa, Fort Lauderdale, or staying in Dallas.
DeSantis is the reason why we are in Fort Lauderdale.
Because if Texas, which we love, and California, which we love many parts of, if those two guys had a baby, maybe it's Florida.
Okay.
So, you know, the, and by the way, Florida's waiting for you as well to make your move down there here.
You know, it's going to take a minute.
It's going to take a while.
It's going to take a hundred million dollar offer.
That's what it's going to take.
Offer.
You may get something like that.
Let's talk.
You know, but the point is, Florida to me, with what he's done, great.
Now, here's a question.
Watch this question.
I ask you guys how you answer this.
Okay.
Who here?
I love you, Pam.
Who here?
Who here?
Watch this.
When I answered this, you would mop the floor with all these guys, dude.
It sucks.
It sucks.
You have to be born in America to be president because you would mop the fucking.
You wouldn't have to be.
If he's charisma.
DeSantis is hype man or like impractical jokers.
Put an earpiece in him or something.
I just don't know if DeSantis has the charisma.
And I want to get back to it, but like, there's just something so funny about you going up against these guys.
I wonder if we have discussed this on your pod.
If you do military service, maybe you get to run for president.
If you're willing to die for the country, shouldn't you get all the spoils of the country?
Yeah, you.
You don't even claim America.
I'm American.
I want to be Chinese.
I'm barely American either.
Don't you fucking dare.
I'm wrong with the winners, baby.
So you say more American than you?
You didn't serve.
Pussy called after 9-11 and do nothing.
I know I'm pussy.
Listen, listen.
I do think they need to.
You are Chris.
He's American, but you've chosen that.
I am pure-blooded American.
Not as much as him.
Technically?
More.
Why?
Because I'm born here, unfortunately.
That is the rules.
That is the rules, yo.
Talk to fucking Alexander Hamilton about it.
So maybe we have you run, man.
We all campaign behind the scenes.
I want to be president.
I've said this.
I don't want to be president.
I want you to be president, but I want you to mop the floor with these guys.
I think it'd be really funny.
You know, it would be a lot of fun.
Do they melt when you're around them?
Or do they have some ego?
It's not even, why would you have an ego?
I can't compete.
Why would you even be worried about that?
I'm not competition.
So you can't even think like if they want some donations.
Automatic.
Bro, I didn't even think about that.
Like we were talking about this the other day on the podcast, like how the how the Kardashians are brilliant at like utilizing other famous people to make them look more famous.
So Kendall Jenner is courtside at the Lakers game and she's dating Bad Bunny, who's the biggest star on the planet.
There's one picture that comes out with them.
How is Bad Bunny?
He's like this.
And she's not even looking at him, right?
And it's just this genius branding, right?
To make her look like the most desired thing on the planet when you have the guy who is really the most desired person on the planet, like begging for her attention, right?
And I wonder if like, yeah, I just, I, I.
The Kardashian brand can overpower anybody.
They can't overpower Bad Bunny.
You don't have the Hispanic audience the way Bad Bunny does.
Bad Bunny is God to the Hispanic community.
You can't overpower Bad Bunny.
Bad Bunny, have you had Bad Bunny here yet or no?
No, no.
I'd love to see Bad Bunny with you guys.
Oh, we will.
Wherever you're watching this Bad Bunny, you got to be right here with these guys.
The world would want to see this.
You heard it.
Oh, I guess what I was trying to say is they're not worried about you competing with one of the other politicians.
No, they can't political care.
So they don't have to worry when they're interacting with you.
Whereas every other person these politicians are interfacing with publicly, they have to make sure that they're winning that arrangement, winning that conversation, because it will be used against them.
His influence is huge, so they have to worry about that.
Of course, of course.
But the way that they're interfacing is different.
Like, for example, let's say Trump and DeSantis are shaking hands and they know all the cameras are there, right?
DeSantis can't be this little beta and like kind of curling up against him.
DeSantis can kiss your ass like he would a donor, like who would anybody else with influence because he doesn't have to worry about that competition.
Not even potential competition.
Bro, why don't you just run for Florida governor, dude?
Just be Florida governor.
No, that's my question.
If you can't be president, what would you be politically?
Listen.
No, I have no desire to be a governor of a state.
If you're governor of Florida, I guarantee you can be president.
No.
Listen, that part, you know.
Not president in America, but we'll find a fucking president.
A Syria.
We're bringing back the empire.
Florida's going to secede.
That would be great.
That would be funny.
No, I have no desire for it.
Here's the part, though.
So the great thing is, like, when you know you can't compete for this one thing, okay?
You know, legally you can.
Laws.
Doesn't matter how much you can't say you can't.
What if?
No, listen, you can't.
Like, when you know you're vertical, you know, you can only jump 20 inches.
I'm going to go be a gunk contest champion like Spud Webb, and I'm 5'7.
Bro, you're not going to pull it off.
You got a 20-inch vertical leap.
You had nearly 50 inches, right?
So in this part, I know it's not going to happen.
What's the other part?
It could happen.
What we will do is we will compete in the media space.
And we will compete in a very big way.
Right now, man, you know what I'm doing right now?
I have only one plan right now.
Trying to put a super team together, brother.
That's the only thing I'm thinking about.
That's all I'm doing.
Yeah, all I'm doing right now is putting the super team together of people who love America.
Yep.
Who are, remember, the whole name valutainment is what?
You have to bring value, but you have to be entertaining.
If you're not entertaining, our brand doesn't fit you, your person.
You have to be able to entertain because it's just as important as bringing value.
But if you can do both, you're a valutainer, even better.
One question about the DeSantis quote-unquote flop when he made the announcement.
Yeah.
Now, if I'm the PR guy, I say make it fail on purpose.
I say, Elon, do me a favor, have the tech fuck up, make it look like, you know, I'm getting caught off in a few seconds, make it look like we have to reboot it because you own the news cycle afterwards.
HBO, the final episode of this show that was a fantastic show, but not a lot of people are watching called Mayor of East Town.
In the final episode of Mayor of East Town, this is during the pandemic.
Halfway through the episode, the stream fails.
Twitter is on fire.
You can't go on Twitter without people talking about it nonstop.
Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.
Brilliant.
Listen, he got Trump to make fun of him about his address.
So it's like you're almost playing the Trump game.
So if I'm the marketing people behind DeSantis, I win the news cycle because everybody's talking about me, good, bad, doesn't matter.
And two, now I actually want to see what he was saying.
So now you get the message across.
Do you think that that was planned?
Do you think they have somebody with some balls on the campaign?
I think it's less than 1% that was planned because Musk and Sachs, if you listen to the entire recording, Musk and Sachs were also putting plugs in to Twitter and the future.
It was just as much about Twitter's future and mainstream media's future as it was about DeSantis.
So it can't fail Twitter as well.
Yeah, I think the brand actually was elevated.
I would say it's 60 DeSantis, but I thought it was 40% yesterday about Twitter spaces, mainstream media, Musk, Sachs, what they're doing.
Yeah, those guys, those guys are going to be players.
Obviously, Musk is number one, but in the media space, the game changed yesterday.
700,000 people are watching this thing and it crashes.
700,000 people live in a room are waiting for this and they have to go on Sachs's account because Musk's $130 million messed up the algorithm.
So they went on Sachs.
Sachs got $650 and it was fine.
Everybody could listen to everything that was being said.
And DeSantis made his announcement.
Yeah, I think Twitter is going to be, I've said this, the day Musk bought Twitter, I did a video and I said, Twitter's going to be a trillion dollar company, okay?
What they're about to do with Twitter, it's scary.
What are they about to tell us?
Oh, my God.
What a great setup.
That's why you need to be president.
What we're about to do to China, we'll be back after the break.
But we need to do it together if that's going to be the case.
But, you know, with the whole Twitter thing.
Okay.
So YouTube right now, there's an audience that's worried about what's going to happen with YouTube.
Okay.
Rumble is winning because of what YouTube is doing.
It's a badge of honor right now for some people to say, I got kicked out of YouTube.
I don't think that's a strategy, but I don't think that's a good strategy, but I don't know why people are doing it.
YouTube, give me six strikes.
Screw these guys.
I will never use YouTube again.
Brother, go look at history.
Just 13 years ago or 12 years ago, a competitor came to YouTube.
One of the guys in the marketplace took a bunch of YouTubers off.
They went all to the other platform.
It lasted for a few years and then it flopped and everybody came begging back at YouTube.
So you got to be pumping your brakes a little bit.
Now, having said that, I think, I hope Rumble makes it and I hope they kill it because they're very necessary to keep YouTube working.
The more Rumble gets bigger, the better it is for YouTube creators.
My hope is Rumble becomes a 20, 40, $100 billion company.
Go light it up.
But what I think will happen before they become $100 billion company, Musk will buy Rumble.
Either he will buy Rumble.
I think Sachs sits on the board of Rumble now or something like that.
An announcement was made this week.
So it's very interesting.
Sachs is the most trusted guy to Musk.
Theo is also involved with Rumble.
Theo, Sachs, Musk, all go back to the PayPal Mafia.
They could come up and scoop up Rumble and say, hey, can you fix all these things, Sachs, before we buy it?
Yeah, okay, here's $5 billion.
Come to us.
We're going to put it under Twitter and we're going to use the technology the way we want it because now Sachs is in there to give his ideas.
Then they're going to control communication.
WeChat model that's in Asia.
Then they're going to pay talent more than anybody else is paying them with the subscription model.
Pay, you know, pay my, they're going to do so many different things.
Who is the number one customer service representative in America today?
It's a guy named Elon Musk.
He's worth $200 billion.
He reads what people say.
You can't get any Fortune 500 CEO to come out there and talk to its customers.
They're locked up in the 80th floor all the way to the top and they don't go around talking to people.
This guy's like, okay, let us look at, good point.
We'll work on that.
It's not a bad idea.
Let us look into it.
What do you mean by this?
This is a revolutionary type of guy.
Musk is.
He'll be the first trillionaire in America.
I think it's going to take three to seven years, closer to seven.
But depending on what happens to the economy, it could happen three years.
I think in seven years, that guy's the first trillionaire.
Do you think it's a bad use of his time to be responding to people in that way?
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No, not to.
How long should he do it for?
You have to know if you're as curious as he is, you know, people who are using your product know more about the product than you do.
You only have one lens, okay?
You have to get other lenses that show your blind spots.
Like even right here, right?
Okay.
You know, he's doing what he's doing, but that guy's going to say, look at the camera this way.
Move that.
Can you see that?
The logos are we're not getting sponsored.
How about this?
Musk has that.
Do you know what it is?
It's very, very unique.
It's like Conor McGregor saying that he's going to fight again.
Who knows if he's going to fight again?
But the fact that his name is in the conversation is good for the alcohol brand he has.
It's good for the entertainment brand he has.
It's good for the management company because his brand is wrapped around him as a fighter, not him as a retired fighter.
Elon answering five tweets a day is just a reminder.
Yo, I'm listening.
I'm here and this is my company.
Like an attention lottery.
That's it.
That's it.
So not only tweet at me, but know when you're tweeting, you're tweeting on Elon's platform.
You're driving a Tesla, that's Elon's car.
And all of us are literally invested in Elon.
If some random person bought Tesla, I'd probably take my money out of Tesla.
What?
I'm invested in Elon, and Tesla is my ability to invest in Elon the Man.
If there was a stock that was just Elon stock, and it kind of wrapped up all his different ventures.
We would invest in that.
I think that's pretty fast.
I don't think you're buying Facebook stock.
You're buying Zuckerberg stock.
I ain't buying it.
Nah, none of that.
I ain't buying none of that.
Whatever it IPO'd in 20, whatever, that was the line of thing that I was told by my uncle he bought it.
And I was like, I'm hearing not good things.
He's like, I don't care.
I trust this guy.
This kid knows what's going on.
I trust him.
Now, Meta, he might be out of his depth, whatever, but that was initially the comparison I was making.
Okay, so we got off track a little bit.
DeSantis.
Okay.
How do we or do you think that DeSantis can even beat Trump?
Okay, so it's almost at halftime.
They're down 37 points.
How many times have you seen a team come back from halftime being down 37?
Never.
Not often, right?
I was at a game one time, playoff game.
Rockets are playing the Clippers.
They're up 28 points going into the fourth quarter.
It's me and Robert Green, author of 40 Laws of Power.
You remember that day when we were together?
He's like, you want to go to dinner?
I said, why don't I just wait two minutes?
And then they benched James Harden.
I don't know why they bench James Harden.
Boom.
Rockets came back and beat the Clippers being down 28 with Harden on the bench.
I'm like, what?
What the hell just happened right now?
Couldn't believe it.
I've never seen anything like that in my life.
So Harden in this case is who?
DeSantis.
Casey can help him win it.
Casey is very unique.
You see his wife.
His wife is.
Have you seen his wife stream?
I think we were talking about Casey and Istad, bro.
I was like, is he going to do daily vlogs?
Casey, if you watch Casey in a small setting, oh my God.
She's on it.
Talent.
Talent like you wouldn't believe.
Wins, buy, you know, attractive, good talker, smart, intelligent, supportive, protective, defends the husband, has the story, can connect with moms, you know, can, it's a very unique dynamic part that he has.
Look, this is, this is the best way to look at who DeSantis is.
Who in here is the one that knows the most about technology, shit breaking down, data, statistic?
Who's the most analytical, organized person in this floor right now?
Who's a person?
Probably Mark.
Mark.
Mark.
You put Mark.
Okay.
How well is Mark on camera?
Good.
How great?
Guys, is he?
Guy's a star.
He's a star.
Okay.
This is the last name.
What's your last name?
Gagnon.
Okay.
That'll lose your time.
Fortunately, with Gagnon, you said, what was it called, show called?
It's the podcast called.
Yes, Camp Gagnon.
Yeah.
And you go to, you listen to two songs to get home, right?
What was the song you said?
Right on Chili Pepper?
Yeah, Give It Away and then Black Hole Something today.
Seven minutes to get home, right?
Seven or eight minutes to get home.
Okay.
Now, fortunately, he has charisma.
But in most cases, a guy that can go, like in my case, when I was coming up, I'm Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.
I had a guy that was next to me.
He knew everything about every product we sold.
I could not believe how much this guy knew.
He would do laps around the branch, man, around everybody.
Couldn't sell.
Yeah.
Didn't have the charisma.
That's my concern with DeSantis.
DeSantis can do laps around anybody when it comes down to policies, constitution, all this stuff.
But he's going to need to lean on his wife for the charisma side because even yesterday when he's doing the live, he just read for seven minutes.
Bro, that's the thing.
It's like, and I think he's doing the same thing that like Hillary did, which is Charlamagne had an interesting thing about like Hillary when Hillary ran and he goes when Hillary ran she came on the breakfast club and they teased her about saying that she had hot sauce in her back.
Oh my God, I'm gonna forget that.
But when he said he was now, were you just saying that to pander to black people?
She took a moment and her like robot brain was about to spew out some bullshit and then she just went, did it work?
And it was the first real moment you've ever seen with Hillary.
And everybody laughed and it was like, oh, there's an actual human being in here that's not having everything like field tested that she's about to say.
My concern with DeSantis is everybody around him has told him it's a lock.
He's going to win.
So now he's playing prevent defense.
He's like, I don't want to say the wrong thing that's going to fuck it up for me.
Prevent defense prevents you from winning.
And I feel like every single thing he's going to say is going to be buttoned down to the T and you're going to lose any charisma.
If we've learned anything, you need fucking charisma.
And if he doesn't have it, he can maybe beat Biden.
Maybe, but he's not beating that fucking Trump.
Only one way he can beat him.
Only one way.
Listen, it's so funny you say this.
You know what we talk about in the first five minutes of the podcast?
How only the paranoids survive.
Their camp is not paranoid enough.
That's the problem.
What are you doing?
Like, I'm sorry.
The guy won in 2016, and he is the greatest smack talker of all time, one of the greatest showmen, not been a better marketer than him in political space.
He came out of a city, New York, where in the rooms he has to negotiate with, these are killers.
You think he's intimidated by going up against a guy like...
Who would he talk to?
He's building skyscrapers in bureaucratic nightmare New York City.
I don't think people understand how difficult that.
He's buying air.
He's buying air.
He's buying like, you can't build and delight in this, like that, that negotiation is not going to be easy.
So that's the part with the only the paranoid survive when it comes on.
But the way, one of the ways that they could be relying on Trump on DeSantis winning, sometimes when a person comes in and they're a little too confident, they know something we don't know.
And I don't know what this is.
Listen, I'm not starting anything here, but here's what I mean by it.
Here's what I mean by it.
So if they're banking on the reason why they keep delaying, because they think the law would have prevented them having to even get ugly.
And rather, they wanted to delay it so far so Trump gets arrested and he can't run.
And then they come out and he says, look, I don't care what you say.
If it wasn't for the president, I would have never been a governor.
I wouldn't have to win the MAGA vote.
And I think there's a little bit of that where maybe they were relying on the law to make this thing easier.
Now you have to fight the guy.
So DeSantis thought that he was going to get locked up.
And then if he did get locked up, he would defend him.
He would defend him and then take all the MAGA loans.
It would have been the easiest one.
That's the smartest thing in the world.
It would have been the easiest way to do it.
But now he's got to knuckle him, though.
Because now he got to knuckle up.
You know what I'm talking about bureaucracy?
There's nothing more bureaucratic than locking up a billionaire.
Yeah.
I mean, that's going to take a long time.
You think the DNC maybe are like holding the real serious shit about Trump?
Wait to them to like fight it out in the mud and then make it so Trump can't move.
So these guys are, well, the Democrats want Trump to beat a face.
The Democrats want Trump to win.
The Democrats want Trump to win because they know they can beat him again.
Because the Democrats, okay, cool.
Let's play that out.
If that's the case, Alvin Brack, I'm sorry, why do you do that?
Oh, because it helps him.
I don't know if it helps him, the pictures of him being in court.
Well, you know, with the Mar-a-Lago FBI, what?
Because that helped.
No, it doesn't help him.
Like, if you really think he's the guy, help him beat DeSantis.
So they're not putting that, you know, dark political games of, so, well, you know, DeSantis is really the guy that, you know, he's going to win and then they're going to go after DeSantis.
Or the establishment wants DeSantis because DeSantis is more establishment than Trump is.
And it's easier to negotiate with an establishment than it is to negotiate with an anti-establishment because one wants to drain the swamp.
The other one is coming from the swamp.
That's what some people are saying, right?
That DeSantis is kind of part of the swamp.
Who knows what's going on?
All I can tell you is a lot of this stuff here behind closed doors.
There's a lot of talks and negotiations going on that we probably are not a part of.
And we're not probably not a part of.
We're not a part of.
But this is the best.
This is the one question nobody can answer me.
Here's a question for me that nobody can answer.
Okay.
I had this girl, Whitney Webb on, very smart girl, okay, wrote this book about Epstein.
She lives in Columbia.
She's got two kids, doesn't want to live here.
She feels safer over there.
In the podcast, she gets emotional.
I don't know if you saw that.
She's just powerful, who she is, how smart she is.
But she can't stand Trump.
Okay?
She can't stand the establishment, but she cannot stand Trump.
So I asked her the question.
I said, I got a question for you.
She says, what's that?
I said, tell me the biggest institutions, departments that have made our lives hell since 1963, November of 1963.
Why?
November of 1963?
November 22nd, we know what happened.
I'm saying November 1st of 1963.
November 22nd, JFK gets assassinated.
And she says, I said, give me the names I want to write them down that made our lives a living kill.
Okay, CIA, great.
Who else?
DOJ, great.
Who else?
Well, I would put FBI, but FBI is part of DOJ.
Okay, great.
What else?
You know, NIH, great, what else?
CDC, what else?
All of this stuff that we're going through, all these Federal Reserve, all this stuff that we're writing down.
Okay, great.
I said, now give me the families in the last 60-some years since November 1st of 1960 that have made America worse, have made our lives worse.
They've had to control the establishment.
She's given all these names, the Clintons, the this, the this, the that.
We're going through all of them, right?
Okay, exactly.
And then I asked the question: I said, now tell me this.
How many of these organizations love Trump?
She says the following.
She says, I see where you're going with this.
I said, there's only the closest example to Trump is only one other name.
What's that?
Bernie.
No, it's John F. Kennedy.
Come on.
Let me tell you why.
If you look at what these guys wanted to do with the Federal Reserve, with the CIA, with finishing the Vietnam War, with doing all this stuff, we can't do it.
Are you kidding me?
The guy was draining the swamp at the highest level.
And Lyndon Johnson was the swamp.
He is part of the oil guy.
He is a Texas guy.
He was supportive of the war.
He was supportive of the military-industrial complex.
And John F. Kennedy is more from the Eisenhower side saying, listen, we don't need to go to war to make all this money with the military.
Why do we keep going to war?
There's only the closest case study you got to Trump is John F. Kennedy.
I'll give you another statistic here.
Watch this.
When John F. Kennedy ran, his dad, Joseph Kennedy, gangster.
If you're not studying this guy, one of the most powerful men in America, the last hundred years, he's kind of like the Moses.
What's his name?
Who's the guy in New York, the power broker?
Peter Moses, Peter Moses, something like that.
Robert Moses.
Robert Moses, yes.
He built New York pretty much, right?
All the stuff that he's hated and loved and admired all this time.
So, okay, Joseph Kennedy, at the time, is worth $400 million in 1962.
He says, I want him to spend every single penny on my life savings to make sure my son becomes a president.
Which son?
John F. Kennedy.
Not the oldest one.
The oldest one was first.
But he died.
But the plan the whole time was the oldest.
You're right.
The oldest one dies in the war.
Then they have to make a fake war story for JFK so that he can actually run.
This guy is the architect.
Joseph?
Bro.
I mean, bro, like, listen, whoever's.
Why do we not have a movie?
That's the guy that was about to be like, wait, you need a movie about this guy.
I wonder if they block it because the idea of the Kennedys right now is like this tragic family that has went through all this horrible stuff and we almost feel bad for them.
But if you know what that mother, that that is a motherfucker.
If you have a script, you're watching this, Hub Joseph Kennedy, send it our way.
$100 million at Value Tame and we're entertaining that movie if you have a script.
Anyways, going back to Joseph Kennedy, $25 million for John F. Kennedy's campaign.
Okay.
50% of the money for the campaign was raised.
The other 50% was John F. Kennedy, Joseph Kennedy's money.
Okay.
Now watch history, how much money who raised.
Okay.
Ronald Reagan put 9.6% of all the money for his campaign.
Okay.
9.6% of his own money.
The guy almost got assassinated and killed.
Here we go.
The next one is Ross Perot.
97% of his campaign money was his own money.
He went up to 21%.
He didn't win, but guess what?
He caused George Bush Sr. becoming the president.
Clinton won.
If it's not for Perot, Bush is the president.
The director of CIA is going to be the president.
That's insane for an independent to get 20 plus percent of the fucking in my as a kid.
I didn't know how rare that was.
And I was like, oh, this guy got washed.
And no, that's crazy.
Trump, 72%.
Yep.
72%.
Hillary Clinton.
Zero.
Biden.
Zero.
They don't have to.
By the way, Bernie Sanders is also anti-establishment.
But you know what he did?
He caved at the end.
He did.
It should have been Trump against Bering Sanders.
It shouldn't have been.
He got scared.
And they did something behind.
I think they have something on Bernie that he's embarrassed of because it should have been the argument that we all wanted to see.
Let the two true believers, Bernie's a true believer socialist.
You know, he calls us socialist, democratic socialist, and Trump's a true believer.
I want to see that fight.
We never got to see that fight.
That was a fight.
Hillary Clinton wasn't really a fight.
So when you look at some of this stuff and you say, why are these institutions?
What do you think about Bernie?
Do you think it's some stuff from him?
Didn't he go over to Russia and like...
Got married there.
That's when his honeymoon was out of Russia, by the way.
So maybe it's that.
Maybe there's something.
He gives a shit, though.
We, I mean, America gives a shit.
No, I don't think they do.
No, I don't think they do.
I think in the middle of Russia, you know what I'm saying?
Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders00:09:35
Let me tell you what's one of the worst places to be in.
Okay.
Here's one of the worst places to be in, my opinion.
Somebody calls you and they have something on you.
You have a major F up, major screw-up that you did.
And you're like, hey, if you don't do this, we're going to go public with this.
Okay.
You sit there and you say, okay, this is potentially going to cost me a divorce.
You know, my kids, I have to explain to them.
I'm going to be, it's going to be a very embarrassing moment when my kid's here.
My friends are going to say, what the hell were you thinking?
That sucks.
And you're 62 years old.
You're 71 years old.
I don't need to freaking talk.
My legacy will be protected forever.
Or if you're wise, you're going to say, they're going to bring it out anyways.
My kids are going to know about it anyways.
You know what I'm doing?
What?
I'm doing the eight mile story.
I'm going to my kids and my wife and my family and say, listen, guys, we're going to have a meeting here.
Your father screwed up 19 years ago.
Here's what I did.
Boom, boom, boom.
But I'm going to go and tell the world right now, right afterwards.
And I'm going to tell them they came and gave me the threat.
And this is what I'm doing.
And I hope you take value.
Now, I'm going to come out and say, hey, let me tell you guys, I got an uncomfortable announcement to make.
And then I hope you respect the fact that I'm doing this because I don't want to be held hostage.
Can you show a picture of how hot the girl was?
This is like she was.
Listen, listen, look at this.
Listen, this is.
You would do it too, America.
That's huge.
That's a huge grant, right?
That's what Hugh Grant did, right?
I think that the actor, he got caught with a prostitute and then went on Letterman or something.
It was like, hey.
I think they had already found out and then he just owned it.
And then he had to.
Oh, yeah, he reacted to the news coming out.
But I'm jumping a gun on that is fire.
Going on Letterman to promote the movie and then be like, yo, I got something else to tell you.
Very disappointing.
But go watch the movie this Friday.
I don't.
Quick question about Trump's 71%.
I don't know how to ask this about signing super anti-Trump, but don't we not know?
Don't we know to not necessarily trust his accounting and his numbers?
Isn't he kind of like, doesn't he have a history of fudging numbers?
So can I tell you something here?
Yeah.
So I brought at our Vault conference last year.
This year we're going to have Brady Tyson and Will Guidera from 11 Madison at the event this year in Miami.
The chef?
The chef, yeah.
He'll be there.
So tell him to put some meat on the menu.
I don't know.
I was a little bit surprised.
But it's not him now.
It's another person that's choosing the menu, apparently.
I don't know who's choosing.
He stepped away.
I don't know.
I think somebody told me that.
But I want to answer this question for you.
So you're asking about, you know, accounting, right?
Okay.
Five years ago, I'm at the four-season spa in Dallas and I'm doing a business planning strategy session, but I go to the sauna downstairs and this guy's like, hey, man, I saw your interview with this guy.
I'm like, okay, so what do you do?
I'm an investment banker.
Which firm?
Such and such.
Oh, cool.
How much money?
Oh, we do this.
Big guy in his 60s, late 50s, early 60s.
He says, I said, what's the best speaker you ever heard?
He says, you don't tell him?
I said, I've heard Tony Robbins.
I heard another.
I heard another zigzag.
I was just going.
No one was a more life-changing speaker I heard speak than Andy Fastell.
I said, which Andy Fastell?
He said, D. Andy Fastell.
I said, Enron CFO, jail.
And yes.
How is Andy Fasta the greatest speaker you've ever heard?
He says, he came in.
This is a CFO of a company that's got 100,000 employees working for Enron.
And he gets up and he says, here's how this accounting world works.
Here's me recognized as the accountant of the year, CFO.
Here's next month, my card ID at the jail.
I went from this to this.
Now let me tell you what happened.
He said, I followed every single guideline everybody else followed.
And whatever everybody else was doing, we did it as well.
But we, for the same exact comparison, we got caught.
And here's what happened to us.
All of a sudden, boom, Enron, he's going to jail.
Then they try to get his wife and all this.
He does eight years.
Anyways, he comes out.
Now he's doing what he's doing.
We had him at the event to speak and tell the story because you have to be careful when you make money who is on your team.
So think about right now, Elon Musk's life.
Think about his life.
He's running Tesla.
He's running Twitter.
He's running SpaceX.
He has, I don't know how many kids, eight or nine kids.
And he has to talk to his accountant.
And he has to talk to this Goldman guy.
He's a Morgan guy.
And he has to follow the accounting laws that are changing every.
And how do you like?
So, okay, I'm hiring this accounting firm.
Do I hire this forensics to audit this accounting firm before I hire the accounting firm?
It is at the next level.
It's very complicated.
I'm not undermining anything there.
I think the one angle you could have taken is to say, well, yeah, he funded 71 or 72% of his campaign, but isn't that from his father's money?
Because his father gave him a million bucks or 10 million bucks or 40 million bucks.
I can see that as an argument, you know, to say he got money from his family.
But John F. Kennedy, some call him the greatest, one of the greatest presidents we've had in the last 50, 60 years, 50%.
All the money was given by his dad.
He didn't make his money.
At least Trump operated and built some stuff.
These names on these towers wasn't his dad.
It's him putting the names on the towers.
So yes, I understand what you're saying on the accounting side, but I think it's important for people to realize when you're making $500,000 a year, you have a very easy way of doing your accounting.
Also, isn't campaign finance like super strategic?
You can't just fluff numbers on your campaign spending.
Isn't that what they're getting him for right now?
If you could hide that, then we wouldn't even have the trial.
Listen, if they go that route, there's going to be 50 other people right now running to Singapore to make sure they're not next to investigate them.
These guys are doing.
What do you think happened with JFK?
What do you think happened with JFK?
I'm not a fan of Lyndon Johnson.
I'm not.
You know, I'm always very careful with super ambitious people who are not talented, don't have charisma, and are not willing to work as hard as you.
You have to be very careful with them.
Very.
The most dangerous people, people in society are lazy, ambitious people.
Oh my God, they're dangerous.
Distance yourself from them.
Stay close.
Don't offend them.
Do your best to not, you know, get on their bad side because they're working 24-7 to come after you.
And to me, you know, think about John F. Kennedy.
Attractive, good looking, great last name.
All the women love you.
Marilyn Monroe, Jackie Kennedy.
You're this freaking guy that you're on cover of every single magazine.
And they're this guy named Lyndon.
You're a kid.
You wanted to be a president.
And John F. Kennedy didn't want to be a president.
John F. Kennedy's father wanted the oldest son to be a president.
John F. Kennedy had back problems.
He had issues.
He had things that he was dealing with.
He was just a guy that wanted to live a regular life.
Just always keep your eyes out on lazy, ambitious, non-charismatic people.
Do you think LBJ set him up?
If I'm a betting man, of course, I can't say 100%, but if I'm a betting man, I'm going to say, you know, 60%.
Yes, it's him.
What chance do you think it was that he was taken out by Russia?
From which standpoint, from the angle of the fact that, you know, he had gone and stayed in Russia and his girlfriend and the wife and all that stuff.
You know, back in the days, they were using this one drug to get you not be thinking what you're doing and then you snap out of it again.
I don't know if you have a experience.
So, you know, by the way, this is another.
Now you're speaking on like this.
By the way, this is the thing.
There's a reason why this guy is a, you know, I call him one of the sharpest cats in the market, but he's very good at, you know, Schultz is brilliant, man.
What's he doing to you right now?
What do you think is going on?
What do you think?
Listen, what game is he running?
He knows when we finish the podcast how big of a fan I am of his.
I think he's a modern day Johnny Carson.
I think super capable.
I think this is a guy that is a very, here's what I'd like with him.
This is what I would like with him.
It's what he wants.
But I would like to see him talk to the average day-to-day people.
And that happens at 11 o'clock at night.
Jimmy Kemmel, Jimmy Fallon, a show.
When Greg Gutfeld, who's very good at what he does.
Shout out to Greg, yeah.
He's very good at what he does.
You know, he is number one beating out Fallon Kimmel.
You know, the only reason is because there's not a Letterman, there's not a Leno, there's not a Johnny Carson today.
Nothing against him.
They got a great crew going on.
But it just means the product of Kemmel and Fallon is not that good today.
That's just all it means because you have forgotten how to talk to the regular person in America.
So the strength of a Johnny is I can talk with anybody, but most importantly, I know how to talk to America.
That's why people loved him.
And I think he's a modern day Johnny Carson.
Where was Johnny from?
It was Omaha?
I think it was Omaha.
I think that was huge for Johnny.
I think growing up there and understanding what everyday people are allowed him to communicate those sensibilities to the people in the highest echelons of Hollywood.
And yeah, even going back to like watching him, like unbelievably charismatic, self-deprecating.
Imagine being like the number one guy on television when there's four channels.
We're not talking about now when there's like a million different channels, a million different YouTube.
We're talking about you are ubiquitous, right?
And making fun of yourself constantly, a joke bombs on TV every night.
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You're teasing yourself about doing it.
Like a really special person that I wish that this generation could understand how he maintained like his personal life may be wild and doing some crazy shit.
Married four times, all that stuff.
Yeah, pulling the gun out on the dude, banging his wife, whatever, like just a badass motherfucker.
But what he was able to do and how he was able to keep relatively even keel with having that much influence, power, and adulation is commendable.
Not everybody can handle success like that.
You're 100% right.
You're absolutely right.
And, you know, he was one of a kind on how he did it.
So going back to Russia, you think Russia was the...
I don't know.
It's just a tricky situation because you can't acknowledge that a foreign country killed your leader without going to war and everybody dying, right?
So you have to maybe make up a story that removes their claim to victory from them to protect your national identity.
If it comes out that we took them out, you know, like look at what happened with Iran, right?
When Trump zapped the dude and then puts the American flag on.
And then they pop a unit with nobody out of it.
But they said, look what we did.
We retaliated.
Exactly.
So they had to do that to keep up their solemnity.
That's something that's not.
So they had to do it to keep up their, you know, I guess morale, image, whatever it is.
But we, I not only, I guess, struck first, but we took credit for it.
Let's say we didn't even do it.
Let's say they did it by accident.
Trump throwing the flag up there, steals the story.
He's a marketer.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
So it doesn't matter.
When you had oil money, you're like, I got oil money.
I'm solemani.
But for real.
And that's how you know Russia didn't want the smoke either.
Because if Russia did do it, the fact that they never claimed it means that they don't want who benefited the establishment.
I'm with you on that argument.
I think that you look at like a lot of times throughout history, especially like when you start to delve into conspiracy land.
Conspiracy doesn't mean something's not true, but the way that like certain presidents have been attacked, especially the ones that oppose certain institutions that you've spoken about, like Andrew Jackson is the number one dude, right?
The ultimate guy.
Yeah, you're right.
Jackson takes down the Fed, right?
Yeah.
And the way that we remember Jackson is he's the most racist president ever.
He hated Native Americans.
It's like they all did.
The idea that we're putting him on a pedestal for being racist and hating Native Americans.
If you tell the story to kids, it sticks.
Yeah.
And then you're like, oh, he reminds me of this guy and this whole concept with nationalism, you know, how the word is a bad word, being a nationalist.
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What's the antonym of nationalism?
What is the antonym of nationalism?
Globalism.
Globalism.
Okay.
So listen.
I'm proud of being an actor.
I love my country.
I'm not going to be a globalist.
Yeah.
I've traveled the globe.
Don't love all of them.
No, I'm good.
I'm a nationalist.
I am.
You look like you had a blast in Morocco.
Where were we?
That's amazing.
You guys had a friend.
I got the sweater so much.
What's the next spot?
Where are you going to next?
Can we say, yeah, we'll talk about it.
We're going to go to...
Yeah, we'll go.
We're going to go to Turkey.
Have some fun in Turkey.
Istanbul or like pop into Istanbul, Bodrum, have a nice little summer.
Okay.
Have good bookstores there.
I think you guys are going to enjoy the libraries.
Yeah, that's over there for Christmas.
Sure, I believe it.
But I do like the way that Turkey is.
I don't know.
I just love their role in history, especially like ancient history.
You know, you see all these.
That's kind of the new conspiracy I'm getting into.
The history before history.
The history before history.
Yeah.
Which part of Turkey?
Oh, God, what's the name of it?
Gobleki Tepe.
Well, there's one site, but there's like this specific area where they have all these, they've discovered all these like cities that are underground and they've been like carved into the bedrock and where people would live.
And you're talking about some of these cities are so meticulously designed that they went down to the water level and stopped right before the water level.
So you have access to water while you're underground and protected from whatever was going on upstairs.
And who knows what it was?
Maybe it was meteor showers.
Maybe it was crazy animals.
Who knows?
But human beings went underground for a stage in our existence.
And we don't know why go for it.
You guys got to get to the bottom of it.
We got to figure this thing out.
But oh, I got to send you, I got to get you down to like a nice little rabbit hole.
But this is the cool thing about, I think lately, you know, as we discover more about history, the timelines start to change.
You've seen it with like the pyramids and all the Egyptian stuff.
You know, you should get a guy named Graham Hancock on your pod.
Is he the guy, the YouTuber, with like six million subs or something like that?
There's a few other guys.
I mean, we had the guy that does these history videos that Uncharted X.
We had a guy named Ben Van Kirkwick on who is fantastic as well.
And it's just a bunch of these guys who have studied these like ancient structures.
And, you know, part of the part of the analysis is we don't think that this is physically capable with a stone and a and a pick.
So there had to be some sort of technology or it had to happen way earlier and the remnants of those civilizations is completely wiped out, which is kind of exciting, right?
Don't you want to know that this has happened all before?
How different are we really?
Like, Mark, you were saying about when you went to Pompeii.
Have you been to Pompeii?
No.
But like Pompeii, Pompeii, in southern Italy.
Yeah, Napoleon.
Yeah.
It was covered by Mount Vesuvius in like 32 AD, giant eruption, and then basically perfectly preserved the city until it was uncovered in like the 80s or 90s.
So it's completely locked in, right?
Because it was wiped out in a day.
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Everybody was hanging out.
And then you see how they're living.
And it's exactly, there's like a fucking dick museum.
There's like, there's brothels and stuff like that.
And the brothels all have like paintings of what you can do because not everybody spoke the language.
It was a big like a mariner city, but like prostitutes.
They wore sandals with a symbol for prostitution so you could follow where the sandals were and you could find the prostitutes that way.
They got fast food restaurants and shit.
And it's just like, oh, wow, a few thousand years ago, they're living the exact same way in many, you know, in certain, you know, with certain things that we are.
Podcasting, everything.
Yeah, there was definitely thoughts.
Super Twitter spaces.
There's the whole thing.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, all right, where are we at?
We're at conspiracies.
You think it was maybe these institutions maintaining power.
Okay.
Come at it from another angle.
We can't sit here and believe that like the course of America is plotted in four-year increments, right?
So in other words, like a new president comes in, he's like, all right, here are all my ideas.
You go do it.
You've run businesses that are incredibly successful.
You couldn't have a new CEO pop in every four years and then they work, right?
You need a long-term strategy, right?
So you don't think eight years is enough.
What I don't think is that the president makes any decisions.
You don't think he makes any decisions.
I think they let him make a few.
I think they let him make a decision.
That's a good strategy.
You just say what he says back to him and then he's like, oh, yeah.
That's the question.
Who is they?
That is, that is the fun one right there.
Who is they?
You know, why isn't Epstein arrested?
They know.
Who's this guy who just bought Epstein's island?
And why are we letting him buy it?
And why didn't we all buy it?
Why didn't me, you, Rogan, and other rich people that can foot the bill go and buy the island and then explore it for ourselves?
We'll find something there.
A retainer case?
You know, like, I guess, who is the they?
That's the exciting one.
Now, honestly, if you can answer that question, who is they?
Yeah.
You can answer a lot of different things.
Then they will kill you.
If you get answered, they will kill you.
Yeah, Andrew Schultz, what a great guy.
We're here at his funeral.
You're drawing an incredible guy.
I can't say much more because they are here.
But yeah, who is it?
I don't know.
Do you believe America can change?
Like, do you believe that there's a long-term strategy that you have people maybe in the State Department or the CIA or the FBI?
I don't even know if the FBI would work in that way, but there's a longer geopolitical strategy that's attached to this country.
I would hope I'm not.
Play the dark role.
What is the outcome?
What do they want to do?
Preserve America and its interest.
The dark.
Yeah.
Yeah, maintain because American supremacy allows their businesses to flourish.
A lot of people have said that the CIA, in a lot of ways, operates in the interests of these billion-dollar corporations.
And I'm not just talking about the ones that make the bombs and stuff.
You might have a corporation that's selling bananas that come from Nicaragua.
You control the money, you control the world.
Exactly.
So it's like, hey, all of a sudden, Nicaragua wants to make a country out of itself.
Well, that fucks up my banana business.
Hey, CIA guy, can you do me a favor and fruit my banana?
Yeah, like, and then they might go in there, put somebody else in power.
And who knows?
Maybe that's beneficial to America in some way.
We consume a lot of the bananas and we need them to get out of Nicaragua.
I don't know.
But there has to be somebody or a group of people.
And I'm sure some of them are, you know, connected to politics.
Maybe these like lifelong politicians, like a Nancy Pelosi type.
It's like, what is she?
She's a House of Representatives.
She's not even a senator, right?
She's a house.
She's in the house.
She was.
She was speaking of the house, but she's in the house.
So she got to campaign every two years.
Really?
This old lady is going to run around every two years for 40 years to maintain this shitty little seat in the House of Representatives.
She got to be part of something bigger, right?
Like, it doesn't make sense to me.
You know, they just had the meeting, right?
The meeting in Europe, the Alberta, what is it called?
No, not the Davos.
There's another one that just happened right now this week where, not the G7, not the G7, the one where they're all sitting around saying, you'll see if you pull it up, the AI and they had all these different issues and they went through.
This used to be a secret society meeting where nobody would talk about it publicly.
Now they're no longer saying it privately.
They're saying this meeting was being done here.
It used to be in San Francisco, I want to say.
Bilderberg.
Bilderberg.
Oh, the Bilderberg conference.
Bilderberg conference.
Wasn't that in like Sweden or Norway or something?
Sweden or Norway.
Yeah, I think it's Sweden.
And they wrote out exactly who was there, what the topics are, what the issues are.
Well, there's some good conspiracy stuff about this conference.
Yeah.
Zeitgeist.
He was in Zeitgeist for Exchange or one of those.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, go on, guys.
So the whole thing is like, who is they?
Are they they?
Or is there a guy that's like, okay, have those guys sit right next to each other?
Why is that person here who invited him?
Okay, I see why we have him.
He needs to meet with them because we need to get that deal because we need that technology here for South Africa because of the deal that we're doing with India.
So they like, who is they, they?
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
Who is it?
And who continues to hire these people?
And how do we make sure that we have the best talent?
How do those people get recruited?
You think there's a couple different they're?
Yeah.
No, so I think that there's, this is my hope.
And I know this sounds crazy to hope, but like, I think that my hope is, is that there is a group of people that are the they're that we're thinking about, right?
And these people probably work for government institutions.
Maybe some of them are politicians.
Maybe you want some that are in.
And they're like the career politicians that you're like, why haven't you done more?
Like, why are you, like, why is Nancy Pelosi campaigning every two years?
Like, you're too famous to campaign.
Like, why not go from, why not be a senator, campaign every six years?
It'll just be easier.
Our job, though.
Speaker of the House is a very powerful person.
Of course, but she wasn't always speaker, right?
And she's been involved in politics forever.
Forever.
So you have a few of those people and they plot the course of America.
And those people interface with the billion dollar corporations that are that are incredibly successful within America.
My assumption is, is that once you're at Bezos, once you're in Elon, you're a government employee.
And not in a bad way, but it's like, hey, you want to keep on gaining money and gaining influence and being successful.
Google has to talk to the government.
So I got a question for you.
Yeah.
Do you think Elon, his vision, what he's doing is good?
Like if I were to ask you what percentage of trust do you have that Elon is a good person trying to do good versus evil, what would you say?
I think Elon is a good person trying to do good and the best.
I think he believes that he is doing the right thing.
And I think that sometimes comes at odds with the powers that be.
And I think that's why you see, like, for example, everybody loved Elon.
Elon was the darling.
There was the left and the right.
The left were buying his electric cars and the right was like, here's this businessman.
He's making all this money.
We love him.
It was the one thing the left and the right could come together on and agree on.
And then Elon gave a political opinion.
He tweeted, it's hard for me to, I'm a lifelong Democrat.
It's hard for me to consider myself a Democrat now.
And just like anytime Joe Rogan says that he supports a presidential candidate or anybody with influence, and you're going to go through this as well, there was a smear campaign that happened the day after and they were out there, they, whoever they is, out there trying to make him radioactive.
Maybe that's the DNC.
Maybe it's not even the they's that we're talking about.
Maybe that's much more.
Low level, yeah.
Yeah, maybe that's like DNC to me is like a low level shit.
It's like, you're trying to get someone into office.
Like that's not the game we're playing.
This is that's temporary game.
They they's that's forever game.
They they's are like manifest destiny.
Like we want to go back.
They they're like, yo, let's buy Louisiana.
Are you saying like Coke?
You're talking about Rothschild.
You're talking about Torres.
You're talking about those types of guys.
I think those are the guys that get to interface with the government employees, right?
Because you need someone who's actually part of the fabric of the government.
And then you have so much success within business that you become part of the government.
So Google can't operate on its own.
The government needs to know what Google knows.
And Google is like, you know what?
That's fine because otherwise I go to prison or whatever the fuck it is.
Zuckerberg gets a call.
Everybody gets a call, right?
Like we even saw it with Twitter, right?
Wasn't like the FBI interfacing with Twitter and talking about it.
So we know that they're discussing things and we know things are going on.
And like, to be honest, that's why I think you're in the best position where it's just like, you have generational wealth.
If you wanted to stop right now, you're good.
Your kids will be good.
Your kids' kids will be good.
And obviously, hopefully you put the values in them to make sure they make these smart decisions.
Like you have real freedom right now.
You have real freedom on planet Earth.
That is fucking crazy.
That is like 0.0000001% of human beings even get here.
The only way to get there without money is like if you can live off the land and fuck that.
I'm not trying to camp every single day.
You know what I mean?
I want air conditioning.
I want a fucking house.
Right.
So once you get to multi-billionaire status, now you get the calls from those they're and you'll find out who they're, but you got to be willing to pay the cost.
And then they might call you and be like, listen, Trump ain't the guy, man.
He's messing up these deals that are 50 years in the making.
Like he's talking about buying greenland.
We've been trying to buy greenland from 1905.
We think we'll get it by 2030.
And he's talking about it now.
Now the price is going to go up and they don't even realize the resources they have under there, but this fucking baboon started talking about it.
Like there has to be somebody who decided we need to go from New York to California.
So you think there's an element of nobility in the establishment?
Here's the thing.
Due to money because the selfishness of making sure to protect the money.
There's a nobility in your business succeeding because the people that work for you also succeed and they thrive within that business.
So like you wanting to succeed is going to help them pay for their families and everything.
Now, I'm not saying they make the right decisions.
They make fucking horrible decisions that we benefit from and we just get to complain and whine about them.
Because we're on the right side of it.
You know what I'm saying?
They go start some war somewhere.
We take all the oil.
Oil is $2 a gallon.
We get to take all that oil, enjoy all that oil at $2 a gallon and still go, they suck.
How they going to make those wars over there, them piece of shit days?
And they can't even complain about it.
So money keeps them honest.
Their selfish intentions and desires makes them do the right thing.
So, okay, so then the question becomes, are they more driven by freedom, status, or control?
I would assume the latter.
Control.
You could say they're one and the same.
Yeah, they could all be wrapped up into one.
I assume these people are patriots.
They just have a different way of looking at their patriotism.
You think these people are patriots, some of these people?
I think that these people...
Do you think Soros is a patriot?
No.
Okay.
I don't know what that guy is.
I don't even know what he is.
I hear the name.
The name is popular.
I think he's done a great job of like making himself be mysterious and not even in the conversation.
I think like the Wizard of Oz.
Yeah, it's like just now with the internet.
Like, think about this.
This is fascinating.
This is how you know that guy got some influence and control.
We know everything about Jeffrey Epstein, everything about Ghillen Maxwell.
I got bikini pictures of Ghillen Maxwell, right?
Yeah, you do.
Nobody even knows George Sorrel.
They barely know his upbringing.
They kind of like, if this guy is actively supporting these district attorneys in these liberal cities and destroying the fabric of these liberal cities and these liberal states, if he's doing that and we got one picture of him, that's different level.
And it is possible that a guy like that is at odds with the people that want America to be successful.
And he's found a way to profit off of this.
And who knows?
I don't know why they would even let a guy like that exist.
If there is an all-powerful they that's trying to protect America, why would they let him exist?
Who the fuck is he?
Can you tell me who he is?
There's no way in the world, like right now, if you look at, are you familiar with ESG, DEI, and CEI?
No.
Is that a new idea?
I didn't even know what the fuck you just said.
It just came out of your mouth.
Lesbian, gay.
Let's talk about tequila.
The best kind of tequila sitting out there.
I don't know if you guys had it this last Sunday one.
We're going to have it.
Afterwards, so apparently these guys, if you're not, they're mixologists is what you guys are.
It's this protein drink.
Am I saying it correctly?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
With Celsius and tequila is what you guys drink every day.
I'm so impressed by this, what you guys say.
So go back to this.
Okay, so ESG, CEI, and DEI, okay?
ESG is about environmental something, something group that's out there to making sure companies are making the right decisions.
So Larry Fink and BlackRock say things like, we're going to force people to do the right thing.
There's a video of him saying this.
We have to use force to make companies do the right thing.
DEI is called your diversity, equity, and inclusive score.
How good of a job you do here, this will be a good score.
You know, we're doing really good here all around.
This will be a great score here.
Okay.
Except two of you guys has to be gay.
You don't know how many identifying parts of it.
One of you guys.
You got to make a decision here.
So then you have CEI, corporate equity index score.
Okay.
So what the hell does this mean?
So Dylan Mulvaney, okay?
Yeah.
Goes out there and gets the drinks from Bud Light.
Dylan Mulvaney didn't do anything wrong.
Okay.
Dylan Mulvaney just got the Bud Light.
Listen, great.
So Dylan does what Dylan does, and he's on Drew Barrymore, and he's doing all this stuff.
And he's doing his stretches and all these weird stretches that we can't do.
And anyway, so Bud Light comes in, he's drinking.
People on the other side lose their minds.
What the hell was this all about?
Why are you doing it?
And the VP of marketing for Anheuser-Busch comes out and says, well, look, here's what we have to do.
Let's face it.
A lot of the beer drinkers are these frat, you know, we just kind of have to find another audience and we couldn't do with this.
What the hell are you talking about?
Who drinks Bud Light?
You forgot who your audience is.
No problem.
They did that to get a higher ESG score because Anheuser-Busch is one of only 20 companies in America with a perfect 100 score.
So watch what happens.
Then the CEO of Anheuser-Busch, former Marine, former CIA officer, okay, is the Anheuser-Busch CEO, sharp guy, comes out and they do the horse commercial, okay?
They're like, no, we're going back to horses, you know, more horses.
And then he makes a statement about the fact that we're this, we love America, we'll do all this other stuff.
Perfect.
Bud Light's numbers are down 28%.
28%.
Coors Light is up.
Then when Bud Light is now backtracking about the fact that they lost their customers, which is vets, Americans, just regular beer drinkers who don't even think about politics.
I just want to have a beer.
I love America.
Then when he made the apology and the ESG folks took it as apology, they said, nope, Anheuser-Busch officially lost their perfect score.
They had a chance to stand up for themselves and really do something about this and defend the transgender community.
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They did not.
We're lowering their score.
Okay.
So now it's like, what the hell do we do?
Here's the problem what they did.
Rather than understanding who your audience is and making sure your audience is happy with the customer, with the product that you're selling, you try to make ESG happy.
So who's behind ESG?
Larry Fink, BlackRock, all these guys.
But the HRC score, which is the, you know, the, the, the, the DEI score and the CI score, HRC is a company that gives these scores.
HRC, human rights something.
If you Google what HRC stands for, I don't know what the C stands for, it's human rights community.
Human rights is human rights campaign.
Human rights campaign goes and gives the scores and they tell you what you need to do to improve your score of ESG within your company.
So guess who gave $100 million to HRC?
I want to say in 2012, you can verify this.
In 2012, HRC that dictates what your scores are and comes and scores these people was given $100 million by this guy named George, last name Soros.
Okay.
So, okay.
So what, Pat?
What's the big deal behind this?
So, you know, then we go to a completely different space.
You look at Hollywood.
What announcement they just made, right?
I don't know if you guys saw the announcement they made last week.
Hollywood made an announcement, the Academies made an announcement last week.
Moving forward, for you to be considered to win an Oscar, you have to have a third of your crew or the main actors or even supporting cast or even people behind the camera be part of the underrepresented community, which the underrepresented community is LGBTQ.
I think it's women, it's black, it's disabled, it's all these things that they have, right?
If you don't have a third be a part of that, guess what?
You are not able to get nominated for an Oscar, which means, you know, if we go to Titanic, would have never been nominated and would have never won.
If we go to Godfather, it's not going to happen.
If we go to all the, you know, saving private ride, not going to happen.
You go to all these great movies that have won Oscars, that'll never happen.
So what does this do?
A Richard Dreyfus comes out and says, wait a minute, what are you talking about?
The whole concept of being creative was for me to be let loose so I can do what I'm doing.
By the way, here's the part that Hollywood has completely lost their minds.
Do you know why movies in America went to Hollywood?
Do you know the story behind why we make movies in Hollywood in the 20s?
How do they hire the Jews?
So the Jews went out and made Hollywood.
But where did they escape from?
Where did they leave and who dictated the rules?
Do you know who dictated the rules of Hollywood and movie making?
Who?
A guy named Thomas Edison from Jersey.
They left Jersey because Thomas Edison had all these guidelines of making stuff that you had to do.
You had to go through this.
You had to go through that.
They controlled all of it.
You can type in Thomas Edison, 1920, Jersey, Hollywood Leaving.
You'll see the article.
So they go to Hollywood.
Edison, like the light bulb?
Like the Edison Edison.
Yes.
Edison.
So Edison.
Did you find the article, Edison?
Yeah, I'm pulling it up right now.
Yeah.
So Edison, the light bulb Edison guy, forces the creatives.
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They're like, dude, let me alone.
Let me just go make what I want to make.
Why are you doing this to me?
Let's go find this one city called Hollywood.
They go to Hollywood.
In 1920, 95% of all motion picture movies were made in Hollywood.
They gave the double to Jersey and to Edison.
They go to Hollywood.
They make the movies.
Today, Thomas Edison drove the film industry to Hollywood.
Wow.
They left him.
So here's what's crazy.
From 95% of motion pictures being built in Hollywood to now 50%, 55%.
People are leaving Hollywood to different cities.
They're sick of this game that's being played.
So people forget, like, go back and figure out why Hollywood started in the first place.
Because you made it too difficult to make movies here.
Now you're doing it again.
You're doing it today.
What does George want from this?
Is he profit-driven?
Like, I don't understand his.
I have my own opinion.
Yes, please.
What is your own opinion?
For me.
Okay.
So there's a lot of different fears people have.
There's a lot of different fears people have.
There's a fear about overpopulation.
Oh, that's one of the biggest fears that we have was overpopulation.
Elon Musk comes out and talks about the underpopulation.
Declining population.
If you go really look at the founder of Planned Parenthood and see what the hell her vision was and how she was worried about all these kids being made, and if you see her interview with Wallace, just go watch this 26-minute interview with Wallace and you'll see what she says.
When he asked the question, do you believe there's such a thing as a sin?
Do you think we're committing sins by preventing these kids?
No, I think we're doing the right thing because these kids shouldn't be born in this difficult life and all this other stuff.
No problem.
Statistically speaking, and then morally speaking, I'll give you statistically first and then we'll go morally.
Statistically, China, when you look at their population, a inverted pyramid is when a society is healthy, meaning a pyramid is where society is healthy, meaning the youngest at the bottom, zero to four in China, 1950, the biggest percentage of the China's population, 1950, you can pull this up as well, was zero to four.
Then it's five to eight and all this other stuff, right?
When you look at their age.
So today, China is the complete opposite.
They have tons of old people, tons of old young people support them.
And their cost of Medicare just 20 years ago was half a trillion dollars.
Last year was $8 trillion.
They don't know what to do with this.
They're dealing with this four-to-one rule, which is for every one kid, he has to take care of two of his parents and four of his grandparents.
But 1978, 1979, they came up with the one-child policy.
China took it.
They used to do four, five, six kids.
Per now it's 1.1 is where they are.
So in the U.S., do they want to under.
Oh shit, is this our democratic free way of combating a rising population?
By getting...
You see what China is?
Well, this is the shit that I'm talking about.
This is just a second ago, we were talking about how do you plan out 100 years?
And who are these figures that are planning out 100 years?
In America, we can't say, you're just going to have one, you're just going to have one kid because we put freedom in the fucking Constitution in the beginning.
And I know the powers that be right now are like, what fucking idiots did that?
1776 has made my life so difficult.
Now I got to manipulate Americans into doing something that they might not want to do through the guise of freedom, right?
So, holy shit, they see the advantage that China might have by reducing their population.
We have to find a way to reduce our population.
And now you got women in the streets going scoop those babies out of your uters.
By the way, that's one girl.
Fuck.
Planned parenthood would be one element.
You know what the other one is?
Here's what the other one is.
Yay.
You saw Bill Maher talk about it.
Bill Maher.
By the way, you saw what Bill Maher talked about?
Have you ever seen the statistic by generation, which generation has the most LGBTQ members?
Have you seen this?
Can you pull up LGBTQ community by generations?
Okay.
And then he, Bill Maher says, listen, at this pace, by 2047, we're all going to be gay.
Okay.
Because that's just kind of, it used to be 0.5%, then 1% of the generation, then it's 2%, then it's 4%, then it's 5%, then now it's like 24% of the generation of is LGBTQ.
So the pushback someone would give for this argument is those were times when being gay was not accepted.
And now's a time when it's being accepted.
So all those people that were in the closet have now come out the closet.
That's the pushback that some would give to that statistic.
And the flip on that would be there's a major churches are losing today to the church of LGBTQ ology.
Okay.
These guys are baptizing people into their community better than anybody else is doing it.
I had a guest on the podcast from Gays Against Groomers.
This guy was on.
He says, I'm gay, totally gay.
Our communities, we're all gay, you know, lesbians and gays is what we are.
But here's what we don't like.
We don't like putting that into people's thoughts, people's schooling, like books right now.
You buy a book, it's called It's Normal or Gay BCs, and it says, here's how boys have sex with boys at 10 years old.
Here's how girls will have sex with pictures and images in the book, by the way.
And, you know, some parents are sitting there saying, look, man, there's a few things you got to know.
I teach my kids.
I raise my kids.
It ain't your job.
This ain't no village.
These are not your kids.
These are my kids.
So you either have to subscribe to the fact that these are your kids are America's kids or your kids are your kids.
If you subscribe to the idea that your kids are America's kids, let them groom your kids.
No problem.
Be at it.
But if you think these are your kids, then you got to raise your kids with the values and principles that you got.
You pick and choose.
That is a form.
That is a philosophy that you got to make a decision of which one you're more comfortable with.
A lot of parents are not.
This is why people are moving to Florida.
And this is why some of the guys are more comfortable being in Florida than in some of these other states.
Some states are fighting this.
So again, going back to this, this conversation started with George Soros, then he went to ESG, then he went to the CEI, then HRC, then coming down to the depopulation, all this stuff.
Who knows what their motives are?
But some are thinking this could be one of them.
And that's George Soros wants to depopulate in America.
George Soros wants an open society because he is a globalist that would like to have an open borders, open society.
If you Google Open Society Foundation, that's the foundation that gave HRC $100 million.
He started Open Society.
And why would that benefit him and the people that agree with him?
How would that benefit him and the people?
I don't think it's about how, but we can go there as well.
And by the way, everything I'm saying from here on is purely opinion and speculation.
Feelings, no facts on this show.
Yeah, that's great.
I love it.
No, but you know, look, would some people who are driven by power, would they rather control 330 million people or 8 billion people?
So, okay, so here's where we go.
Most people, regardless of if we think they are good or bad, convince themselves that they are being benevolent.
Nobody goes, I'm a bad guy.
I totally agree.
Right?
I totally agree.
So where does he see his benevolence?
So two nights ago, whatever the night was when the Celtics played Miami Heat and the Celtics beat him, what was that?
Two nights ago?
Yep.
I didn't tune into the game.
I watched George Soros documentary.
It came 2019, four years ago.
Worth watching.
Starts off with painting him as an evil guy, ends with he's a philanthropist, cares about the world, cares about America.
Well, here goes to another Chelsea handler story for you.
When his mom, when he was a young kid, I think he was nine years old, and his mom had two, I want to say, Russians or two Germans, I think two Germans raped his mother and she told him this story, and he is apparently lived out with this story.
You know, those kinds of enemies, the loyalty isn't to you.
The loyalty isn't to anything.
The loyalty is to, that happened to my mom, and my mom sold me disbeliefs, and my mom believed in me.
I'm going to spend the rest of my life making sure my mom's dream becomes a reality because that is an emotional story that I'm going to tell myself over and over and over again until it becomes a reality, right?
Like, what was his mom's dream?
It's not about what his mom's dream was.
His mom, you know, the hatred she had, the pain that the mom and the trauma she went through by being raped by two German soldiers, I think it's German or Russian.
You can look it up on which one it is.
So in the documentary, they're kind of telling that story.
And then he eventually reads a book by a man, I don't know his name, that talks about the concept of open society.
If you type in George Soros, Open Society, you know, the book he read, it'll come up with a lot of people.
The more accepting and open we are with one another, the less chance that this will ever happen again.
Yes.
To anybody, not just someone that I care about.
The, yeah.
There it is right there.
Karl Popper's 1945 book, The Open Society and Its Enemies.
That's what inspired him to come out with the Open Society Organization today.
And obviously they fund a lot of different things in America.
And why do these companies care about the ESG?
Like, why does it matter that some governing body is saying, hey, you're doing the right thing for the environment or you have the right credits?
Okay.
So because what is the DNA of the establishment?
Think about it.
What is the DNA of an establishment?
So there's one video that just got, it's going viral on YouTube, right?
It came out six days ago.
The opening line is by a very profound professor.
I think it's a Berkeley professor.
And she says, look, let's face it, Democrats, the hardest task we have is to tell the American people, because we all know we're smarter than everybody else.
But the way we have to sell it to them, we have to connect with their hearts.
We know we're the ones that are educated.
We know we know the history and they don't.
And we know what's right for America.
But we have to try to connect with them through emotionally.
Like, wait, what?
What are you talking?
I'll text you the video afterwards so you can see it.
What are you talking about?
Well, the establishment thinks they know what's right for you.
By the way, everybody watching this, all of us here, right?
All of us, like I'm watching your body language, your body language, his body language.
Everybody's body.
We all have a different kind of body language, right?
Okay.
Some topics we don't give a shit about.
Let's face it.
Like if somebody starts talking about the art of building a clarinet, you lost me.
I'm falling asleep.
If you tell me like how to ski down the mountain and it's going to be like, here's how you accelerate to 120 miles an hour.
Good for you, bro.
I just want to see how you landed.
Are you going to fall?
Did your back hurt?
What happened to you?
I want to see the final product, right?
Okay.
There's three different types of people in the world.
There's the oblivious, where, believe it or not, they live the happiest life.
But they also ruin most of our lives, the oblivious.
My dad told me the craziest thing.
I'm 21 years old.
I'm devouring books.
We're sitting there at the kitchen.
My uncle is sitting over there watching Kings of Comedy with D.L. Hugh.
He loved Bernie Mac.
The girl.
Two-year-old, two, four, six.
Lord, help me, babysit these motherfuckers.
You know, this whole thing that he's, he would say, put him again.
The guy doesn't speak English.
Albert doesn't speak English at all.
And he's laughing.
Tears are coming down his eyes, listening to Bernie Mac on repeat.
I'm like, do you know what he just said?
No, but it's funny, right?
And my dad points, very monumental moment in my life.
He says, look at Albert right there.
He says, yeah, see this book?
I said, yeah.
The more of this you read, the less happy you'll be like him.
That's the happiest person I know.
And he knows nothing.
Yeah.
Because he doesn't care.
Ignorance is bliss.
He just wants to be happy.
There's a risk when you pick up books.
There's a risk there as well.
Here we can actually use our God-given abilities to defend and protect the next generation that comes after us if we have kids.
Over there, you're risking that the next generation, your kids could be controlled by the establishment because the establishment, they all went to the same schools.
They all think they know what's good for you and I.
They all think they know what's the right thing for you to do.
You shouldn't do this.
You should have this many kids.
You should go do this.
Should, They should all over us, right?
And rebels don't like the word should.
We like the word choice.
What I ought to do, ought has an out.
Should doesn't have an out.
Should is judgmental.
Ought is your choice.
Do what you want to do.
This is what you ought to do.
But look, man, it's your decision, bro.
Do what you got to do.
Here's what you should do, right?
Establishment.
The anti-establishment is the guy that sits there and says, look, bro, honestly, I was just watching the Laker game until you said that bullshit.
Now I got to go read the article to see what the hell you mean by that.
No, you're not going to do that to me.
I'm not for.
That's literally the anti-establishment audience.
Just a bunch of regular guys that just don't like to be bullied.
So the anti-establishment is sitting there saying, wait, what?
What do I need to do?
Why do I need this score?
Why do I need to hire this many people of this?
That guy's not good at his job.
The other person is.
Why would I hire that person?
No, because of this.
Yeah, you know what?
Now you pushed the envelope a little bit too much.
I was cool with you.
I was chilling with you because I'm typically a guy that can get along with everybody until you start using the word force.
Now we have a problem.
We're not doing this, bro.
What do you want to do?
How do you want to handle this?
That's kind of where we are today.
So the ESG crowd is part of the force crowd.
And everybody else is sitting there saying, I don't know.
That just doesn't sound right to me.
A lot of what's anti-establishment now, though, previously just establishment.
Like, don't you just miss the old establishment?
Like, not being able to get married because you're gay is a Christian belief that was forced upon everybody.
I don't happen to be Christian.
I'm not gay, even though I act like it.
But I did grow up in a place where people told me, you're going to hell, you're not Christian.
You should go to church.
It was forced upon me.
Not part of it.
But a lot of it, I'm not saying you're not.
I agree with you.
But I'm saying a lot of the people who are pushing back against, hey, this gay shit is not okay with me.
You just miss the old establishment.
You're not anti-establishment.
You're just right.
So here's what's going on.
This is the whole thing where, you know, Elon Musk is like, look, man, I'm telling you, like Bill Maher's interviewing Elon Musk and says, look, you know, I feel like you and I are kind of in the same situation.
We say one thing, everybody says, right-wing, right?
And I'm not a right-wing.
I'm a Democrat.
I just feel like Bill Maher says, remember that one chart you put up, Elon, where you said, this is me.
I've always been here.
You guys went further left and I'm not there now.
Apparently, I'm a libertarian, but I'm not a libertarian.
But I am today because of where you guys went to.
Yes, you're totally right.
You know, like the whole reason why I was an atheist for 25 years, don't freaking give me this judgment stuff.
No.
I'm going to hell.
No problem.
I'm going to hell.
I'm going to take the risk.
And then it became my choice of where I'm going to.
And then I said, I actually want to know to see what's going on here.
Okay.
So what did I do?
I went to Church of Scientology.
I went to LDS because everybody around me was LDS.
I started saying, I actually like the fact these guys have all these systems.
They do this, they do that.
One guy's like, hey, the greatest movie of the year.
You got to watch.
Maybe this thing's going to win an Oscar.
I'm like, oh, shit, tell me what movie is this?
Napoleon Dynamite.
Seriously?
Yeah.
Greatest.
This guy's going to win an Oscar.
I got to go watch it tonight.
I go watch Napoleon Dynamite.
I'm like, it's the shittiest movie I've seen all year long.
Why is this thing so great?
Because the main actor's a Mormon.
So like, now I get it.
Now I get what you're talking about.
You guys are tight.
You defend each other.
I actually respect that.
I wish more of us did it.
I wish more Americans were like that.
Go support that guy.
Go support this guy, right?
Like, look what Rogan is doing.
He's lifting up all comedians.
Freaking awesome.
Respect to what he's doing, right?
So I agree what you're saying.
Today, I think the Christians and the old anti-establishments are kind of coming together and saying, listen, man, here's a mistake we made 30, 40 years ago, and we understand it because we were talking about God doesn't want to judge, yet we judge everybody.
And I think here's a mistake these guys are making today, and we're not for that either.
And you're like, yeah, bro, honestly, I don't like you 40 years ago, but I feel like we're kind of on the same team.
It's kind of weird.
You know what I'm saying?
We are, but let's not promote this to everybody because I don't want people to think I'm now pro-church going Christian, but I kind of want to put my kids in private school.
But you know what I'm saying?
Like, just don't tell everybody my kids go to a Christian school.
I kind of want them to think that they're going to secular.
This whole concept that we're playing, I don't know.
It's a problem for me.
And I feel.
Well, I don't love what's happening either.
But I think your argument was.
And I think maybe it just anti-establishment now is old establishment, and then the pendulum will swing back.
You nailed it.
And then they're going to win.
And then we're going to be anti-establishment again with, yeah, you guys are taking it to you.
It's just a series of overcorrections.
But every correction is an overcorrection.
And yeah, so maybe you see that start to swing back.
But that's a really interesting theory.
Manipulating the Masses00:02:28
The idea of planned parenthood and a promotion of LGBTQ as a way to curb population growth and compete with China, who did it effectively, incredibly effectively with tyranny.
You cannot do things with tyranny in America because we have freedom.
So you have to manipulate the masses into doing what you want them to do.
It is a much more difficult task.
But if you manipulate them well, they'll not only do it, they'll be proud of doing it.
That'll be their identity.
Imagine tricking somebody.
Yeah, dude.
Don't a lot of these companies make money by going a more like a socially progressive route?
Is there a financial incentive to it?
Let me ask you a question.
How funny are you?
Damn, you know, I'm trying my best.
You know what I said?
You know what I said to him?
I said, is that guy a comedian?
Because he should do something.
He's like, no, that guy's a comedian.
He opens up.
He apparently who's a somebody and then you and then and then you write.
Is that what did I get it right?
Or is the old?
Okay.
Yeah.
She's like, dude, that guy's funny as shit, right?
I'm like, dude, I just felt it.
By the way you were, you came, you introduced yourself.
I knew your last name.
Now I know your first name's Mark.
That would have been a lot easier because your first name's easier than the last name.
But you know what you just said here?
I'm going to flip it on you with the money part.
Can you force a non-comedian to be a comedian?
It'd be very difficult.
Okay.
Can you force a non-comedian who's a one to be a three?
Yeah, probably.
Can you make him an eight?
No.
No way you can make him an eight, right?
Okay.
DeSantis, let's just say we're in his ear.
He told one joke yesterday on the live of an hour and 15 minutes.
And a joke was a congressman came up about Kentucky saying, I only buy Tesla.
And he told a joke about the license plate.
I don't know if you're downloading.
Okay, he's got jokes.
What was that?
It's some joke about, yeah, but you have to see his license plate because he's a guy from Kentucky that has this.
It was actually funny.
I'm like, okay, good.
That showed a little wood.
Use that more often, right?
Okay.
I think we can probably take DeSantis' charisma.
What score you want to give it?
Negative five.
Okay, let's.
I think you can probably take it to five.
I think you can take it to five, right?
Okay, that's great.
Now, what if somebody comes in and says, listen, guys, this whole flagrant thing you guys are doing, you need to have at least one disabled person part of the cast.
We need to have two.
Alex is disabled.
Great.
I was about to say that.
He's in a wheelchair.
DeSantis Charisma and Woke Culture00:03:58
Disabled.
And you know, it's kind of like.
Oh, we got a double whammy right there.
I checked.
The only thing you're missing is you would have taught him.
He ain't wrong.
Well, then you guys are scored away here.
But the point is, so let's just say, now I could run the comedy club.
You're forcing me to put a guy that I have to to meet my guidelines.
The guy's not freaking funny.
Who's going to show up?
Yeah, that's a problem.
You can't force me to hire somebody that's not necessarily a lot of people.
Why do these companies care so much?
I don't drink beer because they have a perfect ESG score.
Like, I don't understand why the companies care.
Why are they adhering to it?
Because if you have a higher ESG score, they'll help you raise money.
You'll be able to participate in certain things on the stock market.
You know, they removed, you know, what's one of the worst ESG scores in America.
Which company?
Take a wild guess.
You'll get it right.
I want you to take a wild guess.
A crazy CEO they hate now.
What company you think has won the worst ESG scores in America?
This guy just bought Tesla has won the worst ESG scores.
Are you kidding me?
This is the guy like environmental.
The guy freaking build a car to clean the environment more than you did.
They have a low ESG score.
Do you realize the hypocrisy just because they don't like this guy and he doesn't follow their guidelines?
Yeah, that's a crock of shit right there.
There's no way you can say something like that with this.
Question.
But because the right structure of people are not there, the best part about bad policies is eventually the leaks in your argument, the hypocrisy, the contradiction shows up, and then all the fingers are being pointed back at you.
But unfortunately, for it that to happen, it takes a couple of decades.
You can get away with it for a couple of decades.
There's a religiosity to wokeness that I think I'm starting to wrap my head around a little bit more lately.
I'm just curious about your feeling of this.
Is that like, you know, when you act in like a pious way and you believe in the teachings of whatever God you choose, it removes some guilt about the way that you interface with the world.
You can feel better about yourself.
It removes some anxiety.
If there's things out of your control and you put your belief in God, it removes that horrible feeling of like, what if I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow?
What would happen to me?
What would happen to my family?
A little bit of it.
And that's why I think that, you know, God can be this amazing force in people's lives and religion can as well.
It literally can provide comfort, right?
Emotional comfort, right?
I wonder if subscribing to woke ideology does the same thing in that like if you realistically want to give every human being in the first world a score, we would score a zero, right?
The phones are all made by slaves with the fucking cobalt mines and the outfits are all made by a sweatshop worker and the sneakers are this and the oil is from some war, right?
So it's like, but if I do 0.1% better, right?
Which is woke, if I put up a flag or if I try to, if I recycle my straw, if I do 0.1%, like literally now I went from a zero to just a 1% on this scale.
I'm still 99% horrible, but that 1% allows me to remove all the guilt and anxiety.
I'm a good person in this world.
And I wonder if that's why people have a religiosity about it.
I felt horrible about my contribution to the negativity of being a first world citizen in a place like America, but this removes me from that and now I can exist in my day.
It's a coping mechanism.
Yeah.
It's a what? Coping mechanism in a way.
I think the other part is also guilt.
They're making you feel guilt.
And even more importantly, is you know how you sit in a room.
Like, for example, if we walk downstairs, I saw a guy skateboarding.
The guy had a camera trying to get this clip.
Real place here, by the way, sick place.
And we see a guy slap a girl in the face.
Okay.
And we're like, oh, shit.
Guilt and Skateboarding Guy00:13:48
Well, listen, we've told not to do anything.
And then he slaps her in the face again.
And one of us says, well, probably he caught her cheating.
Okay.
And then he punches her in the stomach.
Okay, great.
But if you do get involved and you touch a new laws out, if you get involved in a marital dispute, you go to jail for five years.
Okay.
Let's just say something like this exists.
Okay.
Then you're like, well, I mean, look, I got to follow the laws.
So I'm just not going to do anything.
But you're not doing anything.
Is that the right thing to do?
No.
What is the natural thing to do?
Hey, bro, bro, honestly, dude.
I don't know what's going on.
Dude, I get it.
I've been through a bad relationship.
Can you just, dude, can I just, here, bro, let's go for a walk.
I'm so sorry.
Can you do that?
Andrew, can you talk to her?
Can I talk to you?
What's your name, man?
Where are you from?
You seem like a nice guy.
What happened here?
Do you know what the fuck?
I caught her with this.
Totally get it, bro.
We've all gone through it.
Tell me.
Okay, that's what naturally we're all going to do.
Right.
Okay.
So some of the stuff today is going on, I believe in our mind.
We say this.
It's a little weird.
It's a little weird, bro.
Kids watching transgenders dancing drag queens.
Why, bro?
I've gone to a drag queen show when I was freaking 22.
Totally fine.
I'll freaking last my ass up.
It was hilarious.
Hilarious.
Five years old, bro.
Yeah.
But you know what?
I don't want to say anything because my score is going to be down with the people I'm working with.
Five-year-olds belonging to non-drag comedy.
Yes.
Yeah.
But you know, it's like a little, that's, but you know, you have to be abnormal to think that's normal.
So all people are saying right now is, that's a little bit abnormal.
Okay.
Say you have your kid and your nine-year-old kid comes to my house and we're hanging out.
And your son, you're like, hey, Pat, I want my son to get closer to because I want him to be a better business guy.
And I say, hey, Junior, yeah, what's up?
Do you know how boys have sex with boys?
And you're like, I don't want to say anything because Pat's got a high ESG score.
You're going to be like, Pat, I'm sorry.
What are you doing, bro?
Look, I'm teaching the guy yesterday's options.
Maybe he's gay.
What are you getting upset about?
Your daughter, do you know how girls, you're going to say, dude, can I ask you a question?
What's that?
Talk to him about business all you want.
Unless if I tell you to straighten out my kids and talk about this topic, because I gave you the permission, don't ever talk about that with my kids ever again.
Made me very uncomfortable.
He's right.
We should not debate that topic.
It's between the father and his kid.
He gives me permission of what to talk to his kid about.
It's his responsibility, not mine.
So for us to sit there and say, yeah, but you know, this is a village.
This is how we grew up.
And it's our children.
No, no.
If it's our children, I want you to change every diaper on the kid moving forward.
I want you to pay the bills on everything.
I want you to go out there and do every time they're sick and all the snot that came over me.
And then I was sick for a week and I still had to make the foot and I still had to go through this.
And my dad was not doing well health wise.
My marriage was in shambles.
I was going through bad financial situations.
Why don't you take all those responsibilities?
Then it's your kid.
And I want you to give birth to the child.
Matter of fact, I want you to get pregnant, but it's our kid, but you raise it.
Can we do that?
Here's the sperm.
You get pregnant.
You go through the pain for 40 weeks.
You go to the hospital.
You pay all the bills.
Yeah, you're right.
It's your kid.
I'm sorry.
It's just my sperm, but it's your kid.
Unless if we're doing that, it's my kid.
Pump the brakes.
Step back.
Listen, I'll give you a crazy funny story here.
We're in the Army.
Yeah.
Okay.
This guy named Johnny.
I like the line.
I didn't ask.
You don't have to tell me.
Well, you know, his name was actually Mark and he was a sweetheart.
We're in the Army.
We're in Kentucky, Tennessee.
This one guy who is a Ohio State linebacker who didn't make it in the NFL, but he's with us at the Army.
Guy's freaking a beast.
He's a monster and he's pissed because he's not in the NFL.
But he knows how to party and he knows the best clubs.
And I'm a rookie at this unit.
He said, I'm going to take you to a club, Pat.
It's a sick club, connections.
We go to this club underground, nearly a thousand people there.
It was like Studio 54.
The stuff that happened in this club was unfreaking believable.
But it was a drag queen club.
It was a gay club, lesbians, all of that at this club, right?
And half the women that would go there were single straight.
They just kind of wanted to be left alone, have a good time with their girlfriends.
Well, after 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock, they kind of were a little bit more open-minded.
And then that's when you explore.
I take one of my guys, and we were very careful when we took guys to this club because we were worried, Linda, they're going to freak out or something.
So this guy goes.
And a couple of the guys at this club were very aggressive.
I said, listen, guys, I'm going to be taking, you're going to be protected.
You're safe with me, but I love girls.
So just if we can have that straight, we're good to go.
Great.
But they always asked us one question.
And they got one of my friends.
And the question was this.
Goes up to this guy and he says, Hey, you ever been with men?
No.
Do you like men?
He says, No, I like women.
He says, How do you know?
What do you mean?
How do you know you don't like men?
I'm telling you, like, how do you know you don't like men if you've never been with men?
So it's like, it's a great pickup line.
I actually think it's very impressive, right?
So, so then we go in the car.
We got a 45-minute one-hour drive back from Tennessee, from Nashville.
And he says, But he's right.
How would we know, Pat?
I'm like, bro, trust me.
What are you doing?
He says, I'm telling you, but maybe how do we know?
Yeah.
And he's like, add the alcohol to it, and it's two o'clock in the morning.
It's like incredibly, because that should have been recorded, right?
Yeah.
You know what he got to find out?
He had to go to find out for himself.
No.
No.
And I'm like, dude, what are you doing?
Okay.
Anyways, we had another guy.
Was he gay?
Is he like it?
Well, he's not gay.
At least we don't think he's gay.
But now he knows.
But now he knows he's not.
So he's straighter than us.
Yeah, in the end, he knows he's straight.
We don't know what's gay.
You know what I mean?
Like, that guy knows.
He's the straightest man.
That guy knows.
Is that how you found out what's up?
I still don't know.
You say I act like I'm gay.
I don't know if I am.
Who knows?
Well, I flew the one woman in my whole life.
That's pretty gay.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
Is this serious?
Yeah.
Disbelief.
Hey, there are gay guys that have slept with more women than him.
By the way, you know.
He's kind of a better Christian than you.
By the way, I wouldn't say, and I would tell you this: you know, it's hard to only sleep with one woman.
You're a very good-looking guy.
Your eyes are freaking ridiculous.
No, no, he's a very good-looking guy.
You know this, so I don't need to tell you this.
You're a very handsome guy.
No, but the point with me is, Mike, if we're going to say, Are you serious?
That's me every week.
I'm like, really?
I'm waiting for the bit to be up.
Yeah.
So you've seen someone get flipped and you saw how easy it was.
Well, by the way, you know what I say to that?
You know what I say today?
Yeah.
That's totally fine.
Yeah.
Why is that fun?
He's 18 years old.
Freedom.
Over two old.
I don't care.
Call me respect.
This is your Chelsea Handler story.
No, I saw someone get flipped.
To me, it's go for it.
You made it.
I don't need to know that.
Yeah.
I don't need to know everything.
Did you feel some guilt that your friend was sucking dick in a Kentucky nightclub because he brought him there?
But he would have never done it.
The funnier story was another guy.
We would always.
I will tell you that the funniest of all stories was this one guy.
Every time we take a shower, he was rock solid.
What?
What?
And he would always say, I would say, hey, bro, what's up?
Wait, wait, you had to ask me.
You know what's up.
What's up?
But it wasn't like it was like, you know, maybe like you just got done with your girl and you come and you come and take a shower.
Girl, respect.
But it's kind of like every time and it's like, right, like, dude, that's crazy.
You know, six months later, we found out why.
Why?
He was a bi.
He was bisexual.
So he liked guys.
So he would see other guys and shower.
I'm like, listen, moving forward, you got shower nine to 10.
We're going to come at 10 o'clock or 8 o'clock.
But your shift is this time.
He was like, we laughed about it.
By the way, he's married today with two kids.
Okay.
And probably the best looking guy at the unit.
Okay.
But he was bi.
Guess what?
Over 18, your choice, do what you got to do.
Under 18.
Yeah.
Let's not confuse our kids.
That is the only thing I'm saying.
And if your kid, if you think your kid is gay and your kid is part of the anomaly community that our genius friend here is talking about, the 1%er, we're going to come.
By the way, we can even give him shirts, 1%er.
Okay.
And that's that community.
Guess what?
You can have a specific class just for somebody that's there.
No problem.
If we continue to have anomalies throughout history, right?
If it continues, is it an anomaly?
Is it an anomaly?
No.
If it continues throughout history and it should weed itself out because they can't procreate if they're having gay sex.
If it continues, is it an anomaly?
In society, we've done a lot to try to get rid of it.
You know, history.
Get rid of it.
It's been around forever.
No, no, no.
It has.
It has.
That being said, there are other things within.
I guess I know that people are going to...
Are not right, though.
Like in Iran, there was a famous comedian who's very well known.
A lot of people, Farrokhzaded, this guy was a famous comedian, incredible on TV entertaining, but rumors had it he liked men.
Yeah.
And they killed him.
That's not cool at all.
That is not at all what we're talking about here.
But just because history did that doesn't mean let's make up for it by going and converting a bunch of other people to it.
All I'm saying is, you're 18.
You want to go do this?
Go for it.
You want to go do that?
Go for it.
I'm not going to sit there and tell you, here's what you ought to consider doing.
One question.
Like, you love America.
Part of the great fabric of this country is that we can choose our own beliefs and how we want to live.
So, yes, I'm pretty sure not every parent goes and checks the entire curriculum, but you do raise your kid for more time than what school does.
So it's like, if they learn something that you may disagree with in school, it's up to you as a parent to place your beliefs on your child.
So it's like, how come based off of your beliefs, you're picky and choosy about what the school can teach the kid, but on other things where like, say, African-American history and stuff like that, like stuff going on in Florida, it's like, why is it wrong there, but not wrong in other subjects?
You talk about an American like.
Yeah, like you're placing your beliefs onto what schools to teach.
But at the end of the day, it should just be based off of how you parent your kid.
If you feel that being gay is wrong.
Yeah, but I think that it could be a catastrophic effect on a person's life.
For example, guns.
Should a kid at 13 years old own a gun?
I personally don't think so, but I think so.
By the way, you know what, Republicans, what I disagree with them on?
Here's what I disagree with them on.
I own guns and I'm going to buy a lot of guns.
I was in the Army.
I like guns.
I feel safer.
First time I bought a gun, I'm living in my house with my wife and I.
We had a kid.
Range Rovers Parked outside.
This is 2012.
I go to sleep.
I wake up.
We're living in Encino.
I'm thinking we're in a good area.
Somebody broke into my range, took everything, took the system.
That day, I went and bought a gun.
I had to wait four weeks for it, but I went and bought a gun.
You're not going to mess with my family.
It's that simple, right?
But I never bought a gunboard prior to that.
Even I was in the army.
I think this concept about me being able to go buy a gun, same day, go home with a gun and what do you call it, rounds and all this stuff without any kind of training, I think that's not smart.
I would much rather require you before you want a gun to do a one-week training, okay?
Learn how to use it effectively, because I'd much rather have 10 million people that know how to effectively use guns than just letting anybody just go buy the gun and go home.
No problem.
That's fine.
Go take it home.
It's fine.
You just do the balcony gun.
No, I think we need to test what medication a person's taking on.
Some of us tell many states do.
I think we need to do a little bit of a background check.
Many states do.
But do you know why the NRA doesn't want to give the left this piece to negotiate?
You know why?
Same exact reason why what's becoming normal in school today.
Because if you say yes, it is, they're coming for this, this, this.
That's their fear.
That might, my, my, my ambition would be to get everybody in here to learn how to use a gun.
One week training, take this course, just like you get a driver's license.
Go do it, guys.
That's my for you to go buy a gun at a store and come home.
It's crazy.
It's a little weird to me.
By the way, Republicans, when I say this, like, what are you talking about?
You don't have the right to say something like that.
I made a video once, the most hated video I ever made.
Texas.
I go to the store.
I buy M16 with all the rounds.
And I leave.
I record.
It took me 15 minutes to go in, buy an M16, get the rounds, go to my car.
I don't think that's okay.
I think you ought to go get a permit.
I think you ought to go get training.
And I want my state, if I run a state, I want my state to have more trained people knowing how to use guns than other states.
Also, the more destructive the gun, the more the training, just like with the driver's license.
You can't just drive an 18-wheeler.
Buying an M16 in Texas00:16:23
Yeah.
That's dangerous if you drive an 18-wheeler.
It makes a lot of sense.
It's common sense.
Exactly.
Because you need a more sophisticated license.
So if you want to have an M16, sure, have an M16.
If you want a bazooka, have a bazooka.
I'm not like selling that to them, though.
I understand also they're worried about giving up a little bit of a business.
That's their worry.
That's their worry.
Yeah.
So I understand.
I think there's a lot of money to be made in lobbying for that.
There is no question about that either.
I'm not going to sit here.
And by the way, the more they try to threaten to take guns away, the more gun buyers, you know, gun sellers make money.
It's a form of a military industrial complex.
It's another way of making a lot of money.
So, but yeah, you're asking that question for me.
I think, you know, if I had to make some life-changing decision pre-18, I'm probably going to be in a different place if everything was being sold down my throat when I don't have my father around me all the time.
I'm living with a mom who's worried about me being a drug dealer.
Yeah, I'm kind of glad they didn't at that time.
Okay.
And then after 18, I was able to say, yeah, no.
You sure?
No, I'm good, bro.
Good.
Okay, cool.
All right.
Yeah.
No, okay, cool.
I'll try that.
No.
So, because now I have a little bit more able to see what's really taking place.
I've been with more than one girl, so I have a little bit of experience in my life.
I'm not as devout as overcompensating.
What is that?
How do you make sure your kids don't fall in the trap of many riches?
Was it faith-based?
Was it faith reasons?
Faith in trying to be a good human being.
Good for you, bro.
Tell my kids.
He couldn't get no pussy, bro.
That's what it was.
I don't.
How long have you guys been friends?
15 years issue.
So when did you get married?
Three years ago.
So you guys have been in each other's circles.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know.
I know.
I could have at least got some of your fun.
I know.
Should we blow his mind right now?
Should we blow his mind right now?
You know who else has only had sex with one girl?
What?
Look to your right.
No way.
Yeah.
Dude.
Alex and I only hang around with losers, bro.
Why?
I understand him.
I met my wife when I was 18.
We got married at 23.
It was partially religious and then partially what denomination?
Catholic.
But I listen to me.
You cannot back off this.
This is the world.
I'm actually a fan of your show.
So I was listening to your show.
That's why I did it.
This is what you want.
Let me tell you, but I. If they didn't find Kali, they'd be shooting up screws.
Hey, we're just cells.
We're just cells.
Let me tell you.
Do you know there's lift, there's literally zero, you know, stereotype I can give you because both of you guys are good looking guys.
It's not like you don't have options.
Respect to have control, bro.
It's not easy to do.
I salute you.
I didn't.
I respect what you did.
So that's not that we should applaud Latinas.
I respect it.
50%.
I respect it.
304 Latinas when they age 30 to 34.
He's like, listen up in Florida.
This is the world.
I've never been into Latinas.
Tony Virgin.
You're 25.
How old are you?
26.
26.
Oh, my.
This is the first.
44 years old.
This is the first.
Our ESG score is crazy.
The G stands for gay.
No wonder you guys want to have that stuff being taught in school.
I got you.
Don't be like people.
I respect it.
I see the motivation.
Exactly.
This is one thing that always kind of leaps out at me, though.
And again, I agree with a lot of what you say.
I don't agree with everything, but a lot of it.
But there's this thing that people who are back, whatever, fighting back against Dylan Mulvaney or whoever, this being taught in schools, they say, don't shove your beliefs down our throat.
And then they'll turn around and say, yeah, but this is a Christian nation.
So what they want, again, they just want to go back to the establishment where they were shoving their stuff.
The Pledge of Allegiance that I say proudly, and I am a person who believes in God, but every time you say it, every student in America, one nation under God.
Yeah, but you make a big.
Under God.
And I don't, because I'm, hey, I'm a chameleon guy, whatever.
Under God, I don't care.
But there is a thing where it's like, bro, you don't have a problem with the establishment as long as it's your establishment.
No, so you're not wrong on what you're saying.
But like the other day, I had a conversation with Adam late at night, and we're having a conversation, debriefing about one of his shows.
And we're talking about, okay, so let me ask you, you died today, man.
How's your legacy?
And we had this very deep conversation together, right?
Great conversation.
One of the best conversations we had together.
I said, hey, bro, when's the last time you went to?
He's Jewish.
I said, when's the last time you went to church?
And he says, you know, I said, why don't you go to Temple?
Temple.
When's the last time you went to Temple?
He said, I haven't been.
I said, why don't you go to it?
So I went a couple months ago.
I was going to Israel.
I said, why don't you go back to it?
I'm not trying to tell you to go.
I'm not debating.
Catholic, go.
What's your denomination?
Go.
Whatever it is, go.
Go build more.
Because if you put all the religions there, we're all taking a risk.
You're taking, it's a gamble, okay?
You're going to be right or wrong.
I want to be right or wrong, but we're all taking a risk.
Life is filled with plenty of risk to take.
The risk I'm taking, I'm risking on being a Christian.
That's the risk I took.
Okay.
So if you put them all on there and you get a predictive analytics guy and you match all the values and principles, 99% is the same values and principles.
It's the same values and principles.
All I'm saying is, let's go to that.
Pay a little more attention to those values and principles.
Ray's a pretty good guy.
You committed to your faith.
You're with one woman.
I mean, you two are major net positive to society.
Okay.
You have made it safer in America.
If you think about it, you've made it safer by having fewer partners.
You've made it safer.
You've made it better for us.
You're taking care of your family.
Values and principles are solid.
You're probably going to raise kids on good values and principles.
Guess what?
Net positive.
We have to turn you guys into heroes.
My problem is the following.
I'm running a sales organization.
In a sales organization, we got however many agents, right?
40,000 agents.
So that guy made zero sales for two years.
You want me to recognize him?
Why?
He's not doing anything productive to grow this business.
I can recognize him for working out six days a week.
Guess what I can say?
He's got a six, six pack.
Great job.
He's on a good diet.
But I can't recognize him for sales.
Okay.
Who we're turning into heroes today matters.
To me, you're a hero.
You're a hero because it's net positive.
Not, well, it's not fair.
We need to also, no, no.
This is how life is.
You should never say to me, well, look, you know, it's Pat's basketball game.
It's not, like, we know he sucks, but it's not fair.
Like, let's say it, Pat, your game is, you're good.
You're needed.
Like, no, my game sucks.
You shouldn't recognize me for my game of basketball.
And it's okay.
My feelings are going to get hurt.
No, it's not.
It's part of life.
So I believe the biggest problem we have in America today is a hero making machine.
We're making heroes of wrong people.
That's all it is.
And we're encouraging the wrong people to have too many kids.
I want the right people to have more kids.
You know, you know, my talk, the last two years in every private setting, I've had more like in the last year.
You know, my entire conversation is about right now.
Having a kid is very complicated, especially you have your first one.
It's emotionally draining, bro.
Oh my God.
You know, hey, I'm ovulating.
Okay, let's go take advantage.
Hey, let's go do this.
Hey, let's spend 60,000 hairs.
Are you pregnant yet?
Is something wrong?
Is something going on with this?
I'm so freaking sick of this.
Listen, family, one more time you ask me who's pregnant, who's not, you're not going to see me again.
Do you understand me?
Don't ask us if we're pregnant or not.
We're sick of it.
All right.
So then you overcome that hurdle.
Then you have the first one.
You never thought it was going to happen.
Then, you know, you can do it now.
For me, if you're net positive to society, guess what?
Go have five kids.
Go have six kids.
Go have as many kids as possible.
I'm trying to get people of the right values and principles who are net positive to society to have more kids.
And I think we need to do that because I think the right people are a little too conservative when it comes down to having kids.
They're too safe.
So when you have those kids, you're a successful guy.
Yeah.
You're not saying that the right people are only successful people, but I imagine it's not money driven.
It's not money driven.
Ethics driven.
It's called values and principles driven.
Now, you happen to be very wealthy.
How do you make sure your kids avoid the trap of being spoiled brats that are of no benefit to society and they are lazy because they've just been gifted a fortune?
It's a great question.
It's a great question that you ask.
You know, we, three of my kids are there.
We're doing estate planning.
So I said, let me just have some fun with these guys right now.
And I said, hey, Tico Dilly, Sena, 11, 9.
She's going to be 7, but she's 6 today.
And then two.
So two is not part of the conversation.
It's just the three.
I said, hey, guys, I'm curious.
Dylan's asking, Daddy, how much money you got?
I say, I got some money, but how much is it?
Don't worry about it.
Somebody told me they saw your money online and you have this much money.
I said, they're wrong.
Well, we have some money.
Great.
I said, well, I got a question for you guys.
What's that?
If I die and if I die, where should the money go to?
Oh, the money should go to mommy.
I said, okay, let me ask a more specific question.
Let's say mommy and daddy die.
Who should the money go to?
And they say, well, the money should go to Tico.
He's the oldest brother.
I said, what if he's terrible with money?
What if he chooses to do drugs and alcohol ruins his life?
Should we agree to give him the money?
Then you see my oldest son himself says, no, I shouldn't get the money if it's like that.
I said, then what should we do?
He says, well, we have to make sure it goes to somebody that knows how to make the right decisions.
I said, okay, so what should that look like?
Well, I think it needs to be this.
I think it needs to be this.
I'm just taking notes.
I'm like, okay, I agree.
I said, okay, should we give money equally to all of you guys?
Let's just say we have $1,000.
Should we give $333, $33?
Yes, I think that's fair.
I said, do you really think that's fair?
Yes, why is that fair?
What if one contributes more?
What if one is a better leader?
What if one's more responsible?
I didn't think about it that way.
So then how should we gauge it?
Well, what if we can do this?
So anyways, that led to a conversation of them thinking about how this is one day going to be taking place.
And they're already processing the conversation together.
So it's like, okay, great.
I said, so I agree with you guys.
We're going to probably have some guidelines in place that, you know, whoever does this, gets that.
Great.
And they know how that works.
Everything to me is with guidelines.
For example, all the kids want phones.
Okay.
They want phones.
None of my kids have a phone.
It's not because their parents can't afford a phone.
They don't have a phone.
God bless.
God bless.
October 31st of this year, Halloween in the community with this other family, son of a guy, this guy Gordon, and his family, billionaire family, they got 7,000 employees.
Great people, good looking guys.
Each brother has four kids.
Each is a doctor and each married a doctor and their parents are doctors.
Very weird story.
They're about three houses next to each other.
We're walking.
They're family, powerful, great class.
So I want to learn from this family all the time.
I said, so hey, your son, what happened?
Say, hey, call me.
He says, his son says, dad, I can't.
I don't have a phone.
So, oh, you're right.
Okay, cool.
I said, dude, that's a 17 years old.
What do you mean he doesn't have a phone?
He said, oh, we have a very simple rule in the house.
To have a phone, you have to have straight A's.
He has a BRB right now.
I said, wait, what do you mean?
He says, if you have one B, you don't get a phone.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
Damn.
What a standard.
So guess what I did?
I came back.
I'm like, okay.
How many guys want a phone?
But here's what we got to do.
Great.
Hey, iPad.
My kids only play iPad Saturday, Sundays.
Okay.
But if throughout the week they screw up, they don't get it.
And if they have any C's in their class, they don't get any iPad for the weekend.
It has to be A's and B's to be able to play on the weekend.
Great.
That's a standard that's in place.
When COVID happened, one of the best things that happened to our family, we were non-essential, but of course, I see my business as essential.
I'm the founder.
I'm at the office every day.
For three months straight, I'm at the office every day except for one Sunday and I have to go away for a family issue.
So I'm at the office every day.
I have to take care of my kids because schools are shut down.
They're at the office every day.
You know what the kids did every day?
Here's what happened to them every day.
Every day they were required to swim 25 laps a day.
Every day they were required to make 52 shots, make 52 shots a day.
Every day they watched a one-hour documentary and told me about it.
And every day they read 20 pages.
Do you know what happened to these kids three months later after COVID during COVID?
Don't tell me.
Oh, bro, I can't even tell you the conversations I'm having with these guys.
What were you going to say?
I had a joke.
I had a joke, but Akash also said, I was like, don't tell me they became gay.
But Akash also said something.
So it just cut the thing.
Well, we're going to find out.
My bad.
There's no way you would know.
So anyway, so we're going through this whole process.
I'm like, damn, it's actually very interesting.
By the way, I can't get credit for this.
It was purely a fluke because I'm working.
They're there all the time.
I'm like, listen, guys, 25 laps, 52 shots, one hour, this, da, da, da.
And so next thing you know, they're like, did you know this?
Like they've watched every episode of A Man in the Arena, every episode of Last Dance, every episode of Captain, every episode of Pele.
Every one of these episodes of documentaries to inject the spirit of competition and improvement is in them.
All of it they watch, right?
So today, these guys swim every day, one hour a day.
They do jiu-jitsu every day, five days a week.
Dylan does a bunch of different things.
Tico plays the violin.
Okay.
All these guys are doing what they're doing.
They're improving.
I think when you have money, you buy into this bullshit dream that I had a very hard time with.
Guy was selling me their dream when I was coming up.
I was 21, 22 years old.
He says, Patrick, imagine if one day you can have so much money that you never have to work a single day in your life.
That's really a dream.
Imagine if you could do that.
I'm like, bro, you give my dad a billion dollars.
He's still working today.
And tomorrow, he doesn't give a shit.
My dad never did it for the money.
My dad's 81 years old.
He was in the hospital for five days.
Just got out two days ago.
You know what he's doing today?
He's probably working today.
Can't stop this guy.
Guy.
So this dream of imagine one day you can be with your kids all morning, all afternoon, you're with them all the time.
And then you tell stories.
Daddy used to be a hard worker.
What?
Kids are not going to do what you tell them to do.
More is caught than taught in parenting.
You got to catch what I'm going to be doing.
But you're in the car with me.
I'm doing a hardcore negotiation for one hour.
You're all listening.
After the negotiation, what'd you think about it?
I think the other guy made a good point, Dad, but I like when you asked this question.
That was actually a very good question.
What'd you think about it?
Yeah, I was in, what'd you think about it?
Oh, dad, I wasn't listening.
Okay, no problem.
It's totally fine.
Now they're seeing the meetings taking place.
Now they're seeing, hey, this person comes over to the house.
Now they're seeing daddy working.
Now they're saying, I take him places when I'm working as well.
I think if with the day you, you're already rich.
It's not like you're making very good money.
You have a great life.
But you're going to get your couple hundred million dollars.
You're going to make a lot of money.
Okay.
You guys here, team as a collectively together, this is a successful winning team.
Everybody here is going to be winning.
Good thing is you guys have a Michael you're running with and everybody's contributing.
Everyone's going to shine.
Mistake you're going to make is when you win, now you think, well, I won so I can be around them.
Now they're going to think that's what's winning and they become lazy.
No.
Get them involved.
Show them what it is.
Show them what it's like.
Get them to say, this is what it takes, guy.
This is what it takes, guy.
Here's what it takes, guy.
Did you see what he did?
This is what it takes, guy.
This is what it takes, guy.
That's the element.
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And I think sometimes parents have a hard time doing that with their kids.
Everything that I've learned from my parents, and it is literally everything.
Not one time did they sit me down to teach me it.
There's one thing I can remember my dad teaching me specifically.
And it was like the power of apologizing.
He's like taking accountability.
I remember it was two things.
There's one of the power of the apology.
It's like, don't be too proud to apologize.
If you did something wrong, apologize.
It's better to take accountability for your actions.
And the other was like, I didn't do my homework.
And he asked me if I wanted to like sit on a stoop and do it before I went to school.
He asked.
He didn't say, he asked.
He's like, well, do you want to sit here and do it?
We can do it.
Then we just sat on the stoop and I did it before and he was so proud of me.
And then after that, I was like, oh, that was really cool.
But everything was watching them bust their ass.
So that was the expectation of work.
Like seeing them work so fucking hard.
That's great.
I never thought about that.
Like letting your kids see this stuff, having them around, seeing that, seeing you wake up at fucking seven in the morning, go to bed at two at night.
Like, yeah, your kids should feel like their parent is outworking them.
But if they're around, it's not this isolated thing where they can't even describe their parents' job.
Like my dad would like, let me work within these like little events that we would do.
I was always working and I would get paid and it was cool to have money and like save money.
And, but yeah, I never understood like how profound that was and like setting a standard of work ethic.
Holy shit.
It's not what they, it's not what you say to the kids, huh?
More's caught than taught.
Look who they raised, the stud.
Yeah.
It's so interesting.
Yeah.
And that work, I think, often is more purposeful.
I think it fills the kids with more purpose than being told values and virtues.
I think doing work, especially from a young age, like not hard work, not like child labor, but like helping out, I think gives kids a lot of purpose.
Yeah.
Okay, listen, you have to go.
Wait, wait, wait.
The question you asked your friend.
So if you die tomorrow, how are people going to remember you?
Terrorist to you.
Oh, I've lived a great life.
God has given me an incredible life.
There's only one person that can slow me down.
I'll always say this to my wife, to my kids.
Only one person is the man upstairs.
If he says you're talking too much, come on.
There's plenty of other guys better than you that can do the job.
I am so content with that, 100%, because I believe he knows best when I'm ready, when he's ready.
But if he keeps me around, I interpret that as I'm keeping you around to fight.
And I need some soldiers down there to fight.
I'm going to do my part.
I've already, I tell you stories of what things I've done in my life.
This is a fantasy.
I'm a regular guy in high school.
You would have never thought I was going to do anything.
One of the best things I love when I sat down with one of my friends, Adrian, went to Conrad.
He says, Pat, I got to tell you, man.
He says, everybody probably tells you, oh, we always knew you were going to make it.
And they're lying, Pat, because they tell me something else behind closed doors.
This was the guy I would play Fester's Quest with.
I don't know if you guys know the game, Fester's Quest.
And he says, Pat, I never thought you were going to make it.
I thought you were going to be a bum.
I thought you were going to be a regular guy.
I had no clue you were going to be this.
So to me, you know, I'm living a dream.
God's given me an incredible life.
Some good people are in my life.
They've been in my ear.
And I've used my talents to the best of my abilities.
If he keeps us around for 40 years, we're going to do our part.
We're going to have a blast.
We're going to do a lot of wild, exciting things.
We're not expecting everything to be perfect.
There's going to be a lot of painful moments that we anticipate.