Stephen A. Smith defends his journalistic legacy as the 21st Black columnist, contrasting his earned credibility with modern social media noise while asserting Michael Jordan remains the greatest athlete due to his six Finals MVPs and psychological dominance over opponents like LeBron James. The discussion critiques Floyd Mayweather's defensive style compared to legends like Muhammad Ali, debates Tom Brady's lack of raw agility, and analyzes Mark Cuban's ego-driven trade of Kyrie Irving to the Mavericks. Ultimately, the episode explores how discipline separates legitimate entrepreneurs from drug dealers and examines societal double standards regarding harassment and media consumption. [Automatically generated summary]
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Earning The Right To Speak00:11:50
But would you get married once?
Yes.
Really?
Yeah.
I've done it all.
He's easy to say, I'm done demo.
Hold up.
Listen, I've never been.
I haven't heard you shout out.
I haven't heard you said that.
I've lived good lights.
I've been.
I've spent the vast majority of.
Even your piggy got a boner.
He talked to us.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to Flagrant.
And today we are joined by the Riz God, the drip god.
Okay.
Probably the greatest sports journalist alive right now.
We have Stephen A. Smith.
Definitely.
Definitely number one.
Okay, who's number one if it's not you?
I wouldn't know.
I wouldn't know.
You don't look backwards.
I don't look backwards.
Now when it comes to that.
Now, now here's the thing.
Yes, everybody knows you as like this great sports journalist, of course, right?
We know.
But I think what a lot of people don't know is you're quite the thespian, Stephen A.
I don't think so.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, don't be humble now.
Don't be humble now.
Come on, bro.
I was watching you, and I think I loved my wife recently.
And I was like, don't worry about it.
Wait a minute, man.
That was about 15 years ago.
So you've only gotten better.
Now the general hospital's.
Let's go, bro.
Let's go.
That's current.
That's current.
I like it.
I like it.
I saw a little clip of you catching some bodies on General Hospital.
That was hilarious.
They did it in slow-mo for a reason.
I didn't know what the was doing.
It was the wildest thing because I'm watching, like, did someone f ⁇ up with this on YouTube?
Yeah.
Because it is slow-mo.
It is slow-mo.
That's how they did it.
That's how they did it.
We did do it in slow motion, but they definitely slow-molded.
Thank the good Lord, because who the hell knows how I would look in real time?
I mean, I mean, you grew up, you know, you grew up.
I mean, there might be some people that know in real time.
There might be some people that know.
No little son son.
It was a little wild out there.
Absolutely.
That's true.
That's true.
But that's between us.
That's between us.
But there are some people that know why the book is called Straight Shooter.
Hey, that's what I'm trying to say.
They're not with us anymore.
Dude, the book is great.
Thank you.
It's awesome.
I mean, I know I've seen you, you know, make the rounds.
And like, obviously you're talking to so many people, but I was really curious because you were speaking about, okay, so right now everybody can have an opinion.
And there was this like almost ethos in the book, which is like, yo, I had to earn a fucking opinion.
Damn right.
And I think that like it's something that younger generations, I'm 39.
So even younger than me don't understand that there was a time where just having an opinion about sports only, not staying the fucking stats, but just this is my feeling, didn't exist unless you were at the upper echelon.
Absolutely.
And now when you see everybody just going on Twitter spouting off, here's the deal.
I don't mind it.
Here's what I mind.
I mind when your little young ass act like people didn't come before you to pave the way for you to be in the position that you in.
You don't have to be some intellectually brilliant individual to no respect.
Somebody came before you that had to put up with bullshit that you never had to deal with.
You can get, now you can get, you can, you know, you can get on social media.
You can express your views.
You can build a following or whatever.
Back then it didn't exist.
And when we in the newspaper industry coming up, you're a high school reporter, you're a features writer, you're a college reporter, you're a pro writer, or whatever the case may be.
But the word columnist meant everything because those were the only people allowed and licensed to give their opinion.
That's the era I came up in.
So I had to work through layers, get promoted damn near 10 times over the course of my career before I was granted the columnist position.
And in 2003, when the Philadelphia Inquirer named me a columnist, there were 20 people, there were 20 black people in American history given that title before me.
I was the 21st.
Wow.
So now everybody got a damn opinion.
And I'm cool.
I'm cool with it.
But when you try to question my opinion, I'm like, hold the fuck up.
Who are you?
Yeah.
Because you didn't work through all of this to get to this point.
I did that shit.
And now, and it ain't like I did it and I'm not doing shit.
And I'm asking you to hold on to the process I went through before I got to a point years ago.
No, I'm number one now.
Like it's present.
You know what I'm saying?
My show's number one now.
So how am I number one now?
I'm still doing this shit.
I literally went through all of this to get to that point.
But then you want to act like you get to forget all of that.
No, I'm not letting you.
I'm not letting you do that.
That's all I'm saying.
How many of you are number one?
11 straight years, Tom.
Tell me, Tommy.
11 straight.
First trade, first thing has been number one, 11 straight years.
And I think the biggest thing about it now is that they just put something out today, like last month in January, was our most watched January.
And we averaged nearly 600,000 viewers.
And that matters.
First of all, it's linear television.
Secondly, it's at 10 in the morning when people are at work in school.
Thirdly, it doesn't take into account the re-airs nor the billions that you get on social media.
Oh, social media.
So that's where it goes crazy.
So the fact that you got that number is a really, really big deal.
And it's like, you know, April 1st, I believe, marks the 11th straight year the show has been number one.
Okay, okay.
So you get the right to have an opinion.
This is where I'm.
Okay.
You earn the right to have an opinion.
You haven't had one before on paper.
Do you?
Haven't had what on before?
Meaning before you're a columnist, you're reporting the fighter.
It's just facts.
Now they're like, yo, just go.
The first one, do you ease into it?
Oh, hell no.
You bring the ring.
Okay, okay.
You bring the ring.
You bring the ring.
It's like, I'm free.
It's like, I'm free.
I'm free.
I can say what the hell I really feel.
You know what I'm saying?
It ain't just about, well, this is what happened.
This is what happened.
This is what happened.
And I'd find a way to like sting you a little bit by inserting my opinions, even when I was supposed to just be spitting the news.
But I'm like this.
Look, he went down the lane.
He had a wide open layup.
He missed it.
That's fact.
But you know, you can kind of read between the lines.
I'm putting a little sauce in it.
Now I'm like, damn it, he blew the damn light.
You know what I'm saying?
It's a little bit, it's real different in that regard.
So I certainly make sure, I mean, the second they unleashed me.
You remember the first column?
Man, I don't remember the first column.
I remember the fact that I was pitting out opinions left and right.
I like, I never had a shortage of them.
It was AI woman.
It was Larry Brown the next.
It was Tracy McGrady the next.
It was all of this other stuff.
It didn't matter what it was.
The second they unleashed me to give opinions, I was like, they don't know what the hell they just did.
You know what I'm saying?
This is what I've been waiting for.
And also, this is a time where you're interacting with these guys regularly.
Now, a lot of people got opinions on Twitter, but they'll never meet Kyrie.
They'll never meet Tracy McGrady.
You're seeing Tracy.
He's absolutely.
They're coming to your office.
It's all of them.
But I'm at the games.
I was at the games.
I was sitting courtside.
I would go in a locker room pre-game, post-game.
I traveled on the road and I would literally walk up to catch.
Yo, man, you ain't going to want to see a paper tomorrow.
You don't want to see that.
You was garbage tonight.
You don't want to see the paper tomorrow.
That shit is not going to be pleasant.
You ever have, like, because AI is a real AI and I, well, we like brothers.
That's my little brother, but we've gone through, you know, and in fairness, in the interest of full disclosure, you had players on the 76ers, especially guys like Aaron McKee, Eric Stowingham.
They used to call me an AI, y'all like some damn married couple.
Because we would literally go.
One time we went eight months without speaking to each other.
Nah, eight months.
And I had to, because he didn't like some shit I wrote.
What'd you say?
I'm not practicing.
I said, no, no, what about practice?
He didn't care about that.
Believe it or not, he didn't care about that.
He got mad because I said that, you know, he taking liberties.
You know, he's AI, but he's milking every single damn liberty he can.
He needs to get his act together.
And he didn't appreciate that.
And he was so pissed off, we went without talking.
And it got to a point where a couple of my colleagues pulled me to the side and said, Yo, man, you're the beat writer for the 76ers.
You cannot go eight months without talking to the superstar of the team.
And I said, Watch me.
I said, I said, I said, was he, was he?
I said, so what?
I said, he don't speak.
He's still giving quotes in press conferences and all this stuff.
It ain't stopping me from doing my job.
I'm not going to be a prisoner to a guy that chooses not to talk to me.
And so, so be it.
And then his late friend, that whole practice, practice, we talk about practice.
What that fed off of was his frustration because one of his boys got murdered.
Right?
Just a week earlier.
And so he's saying, like, who cares about his friend got murdered?
Well, that one, that boy that got murdered, God rest his soul, his name was Ra, and he's the one that brought me and AI back together.
Oh, wow.
He was a real good dude.
Real good, real good.
You know, obviously, he's a street kid.
AI knew him.
AI took care of him the whole bit, but he had a beautiful heart.
He was beautiful people, was always protective of AI.
They didn't engage in no stupidness, no shenanigans.
He was a really good brother, had his heart in the right place.
And when AI wasn't talking, he had me and AI meet at a nightclub at 2:30 in the morning in Philadelphia off Spring Garden Street and got us together to stop the nonsense and the start talking about.
Okay, hold on.
So a street dude that's cool with AI hits you up and goes, I need you to be at a nightclub.
He called me.
He saw me at the game.
He said, meet me here tonight.
And was there any part of you that's like.
I'm from the streets, bro.
Ain't nothing to me.
Ain't nothing to me.
You want me to be there at 3:30, 2:30?
That's where I'm going to be.
And I showed up by myself.
I was like, yo, what's up?
So he got us together.
Y'all need to squash all of this and all of this other stuff.
And, you know, I just let AI know.
I said, you know what?
The only thing I said to AI that night, I said, you always get mad and you think about what I say.
You don't give me enough credit for what I don't say.
And he was like, my man.
What do you do about the hole?
I have no comments.
I have no recollection of that.
But I will tell you, I will tell you, first of all, certain codes.
First of all, certain codes.
Number one, it ain't got to be about that.
But if it was something about that, I'll be damned if anybody would ever hear something like that from me.
I mean, I don't know you, and I wouldn't tell on you.
Ain't none of my damn business.
You understand what I'm saying?
You know, listen, I'm a reporter.
I wouldn't say that.
I would never do anything.
I'm a reporter.
I wouldn't be able to do it.
There you go.
Say it.
Say it.
Save yourself.
Save yourself.
That's the way you're supposed to do it.
But I'm just saying it.
You know, you go out and it's like, listen, I'm a reporter, stuff like that.
Don't break no laws.
Don't get into the police blotters.
Outside of that, all I care about is what you're doing on the quarter field.
Ain't none of my business what's going on in your personal life.
That's my cardinal rule.
I've always been that way, and I will never change.
I'm from Howard, Queens.
I'm from the streets of New York City, bro.
There's a certain code that's applicable everywhere you go, and it transcends race.
Personal Life Boundaries00:12:50
You understand what I'm saying?
It's a bro code.
You understand?
You don't do it.
Period.
You think that?
There's nothing to talk about.
You think that is why you can talk to players?
Because you'll say some crazy shit to a player, but he knows you.
He knows where you're from.
He knows you respect the code.
So he'll let you say more than the guy.
That's part of it, though.
But that's not like I don't have players that can't stand me or players that hated me for something that I said or whatever the case may be.
But when you say what you just said, understand, I don't believe I'm saying nothing crazy.
My shit's fact-based.
So the point is, is that I'm not some cat with a social media account that's just got an opinion.
And so my point is that when I come with an opinion, it's really not just an opinion.
So if you see me sometimes on TV and I'm getting into an argument with somebody, half the time I'm looking at them like, you fucking know I know.
It's like, no, I'm not making it up.
You know.
It's just that you know I can't say anything.
And then when you'll see me get really, really heated is when I feel like I'm sitting across from somebody that knows I know and knows I can't and won't say what I really know.
And they're taking advantage of it when they know the truth.
They like they have the information too.
Yeah.
So you know that I'm not telling you all I could say.
You know why.
And by the way, for any guy that's in the business that I'm in, please understand something about most journalists.
We all know 75% more than what we reveal.
Wow.
Never forget that.
We all know more than we reveal.
So your opinion means more for that, dude.
It's just that, you know, you can't.
Listen, you can bring people in the White House that cover the White House.
They don't tell you everything.
They tell you there's certain stuff that they tell you and there's certain stuff that they hold.
People that cover Hollywood, there's certain stuff that they say and there's certain stuff that they hold.
You can't say everything because if you say everything, no one will trust you.
That's right.
No one would trust you.
That's right.
You got to be, you got to prove that you're someone who can keep secrets.
Exactly.
So that's AI.
So that's the other thing is like, and I think that's where a lot of these newer, like newer media struggles is they're running for clout so fast.
They get one little tidbit of juicy information.
And instead of storing that and building trust with somebody, they throw it out there.
You can retweet it 100%.
But you consider that media.
See, I consider that bloggers.
I consider that people that's just trying to create clickbait and stuff like that.
If you are a member of the media, you absolutely know that comes along with the job.
I'm telling you right now, I don't say 80% of the stuff that I know.
Wow.
I cannot.
80%.
80% because the objective is to build trust.
For you to know you can trust me, that you can talk to me.
There's plenty of stars who will remain nameless.
That'll be Steven Amen.
Let me talk to you, man.
This is shit that's happened.
Wow.
But you can't say this.
Has anyone ever been grateful?
Has anyone ever hit you up and been late?
Most are grateful.
Even when you're critical.
Most are grateful.
Even when you're critical.
No, because they get what I left out.
Yeah.
You see what I'm saying?
They don't hit you up.
No, they'll just nod at me.
Yeah, I got you.
I got you.
And it's cool.
That's all what I'm doing for.
Listen, and here's why I don't get mad at a lot of people.
I don't get mad at a lot of people over this because I know people in my family and people in my inner circle that are friends and stuff like that, pick up the phone.
And I'll be like, who the hell you think you're talking to?
You think I don't know?
I said, I can't say X, Y, Z. How do you not know this?
And you know me?
My bad, my bad.
Well, then what the fuck are you asking me for?
You know, you call me, why didn't you say this?
Because I can't.
I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to violate that code.
That has nothing to do with something.
Like, for example, you can sit up there.
I'm famous.
Stay off the weed and all of this other shit, right?
I'm not talking about just anybody.
I got family members, friends being smoked on weed, okay, please.
You're on the streets, that's what you do.
Had at least most of us.
The point is, is that I'm talking about the cats that has cost them money.
So if I'm sitting there and I bring up something like that, right?
And then you high as shit.
You walk by the scorer's table.
I can smell.
You wobbling around.
Sam's dirk.
Coach is making a call.
Coach is making a call.
Everybody knows Sam.
There are worse examples.
There are far worse examples.
But the point that I'm trying to make, I love my man, Sam.
I'm glad you brought it up.
I'm missing.
I guess I can't wait to see him one of these days.
But let me tell you something.
You can see these guys and they wobbling.
They can't understand plays.
It's not many, not most.
I'm just talking about a handful of people.
You'll see something like that, right?
I'll write a story.
Now, this is how I'll handle it.
Maybe they dribble out the clock game on the final.
I was thinking this.
I'm saying this is how I'll handle it.
I'm not going to die my mouth.
I'll be like this.
This brother shot three for 23 last night.
He made this mistake, this mistake, this.
Now, I don't know what the hell he was doing last night.
But, right?
Because that's me letting you know.
I know what the fuck he was doing last night.
This is so good.
Okay, wait.
How much warfare exists where, like, do you ever have a GM or assistant, Jim, or somebody or even a coach give you information on an opposing team that they're playing, hoping that you run with this?
Yes.
And how are you filtering out all the information so you're not affecting the game or someone else?
The ultimate, first of all, that's not my concern at all.
I could care less whether I'm affecting or not affecting a game.
What I care about is the veracity of the information.
How truthful is it?
If the information is true, you do your digging, you find out whether it's true or not, et cetera, et cetera.
You go from there.
Now, if this person leaked this information to me, you might not know who it is if you're the opposing team.
But if you read the information or listen to me, you can use your imagination.
Yeah, that damn person gave Stephen A this information.
That's why he said this shit.
You know what I'm saying?
And then all of a sudden they get furious and then all of a sudden they come back with something.
Oh, it's happened many times.
I have been used as the instigator of wars between teams, players.
I'm not telling you that.
I'm not telling you that.
What I'm saying to you, though, is that it doesn't matter.
What mattered was it's not that they were using me and that's it.
It doesn't matter.
Is the information correct?
Now, if you lying, no, you can't do that to people.
You got to make sure you hold that information.
Matter of fact, you got to go back to that cat and be like, you lied to me.
You lied to me one time.
I'm going to roast your ass.
You ain't going to, don't lie to me.
Don't use me like that.
But you can use me for the truth anytime you want to.
But don't use me for a lie.
And I will decipher whether or not it's material I want to use or I don't want to use.
And I'll go back and forth.
And the objective is to be humane and to be fair.
I've got people, I've had people over the years, not recently, but I've had people over the years giving me personal information about cats.
They ain't had nothing to do with their play on the field or court.
I look at them like, what you telling me that for?
But that's violating.
What you doing that for, man?
Why would you do that?
What if he did that to you, man?
Because you ain't innocent.
Why would you do that?
Scratch that shit.
Go to somebody else for that.
I ain't doing that.
I don't play that game.
Come to me with basketball or football or baseball or, you know, I ain't doing no damn hockey in NASCAR.
That's true.
Or come to me.
Come to me with some stuff that's relevant to the sport.
You don't want gossip.
Don't come to me with people's personal.
Listen, again, I don't know y'all.
They come to me with something about your personal life.
Go someplace else with that.
I don't play that game.
Do you have any obligation to the players if the organization is trying to like tarnish their value?
Yeah.
No.
Really?
No.
The obligation is whether or not it's true.
You might say something about the player and it might be damaging to the player.
And I will make the determination whether I want to use that intel or not.
But I don't owe it to either side to use it or not to use it if it's true.
If it's true, then I'll use it.
Depending on what it is.
Now, if you telling me this dude ain't playing well, he playing like shit because he in the locker room.
He's a locker room cancer.
He's arguing and fighting with players.
He's doing this.
He's doing that.
That's different.
All game.
You start telling me, ah, it's because he having an affair or because he's doing that.
No, now that's your family.
That's your wife.
That's your relationship.
You violate.
That's crossing the line.
Oh, you know, he's doing drugs.
Wait a minute.
That's far deeper than something like that.
I'm not doing that.
You see what I'm saying?
There's lines that you don't cross.
But what I deem in the boundaries are things that directly relate to the field in the court of play as it pertains to the actual game itself.
You're in the locker room fighting with a teammate and then I see that you refuse to pass them the ball.
That's relevant.
You see what I'm saying?
You're in the locker room fighting with the, you know, you in the locker room and you wasn't fighting in the teammate.
But outside, you know, something else happened with the wives or something like that.
No, that's crossing the line.
I'm not doing that.
I'm not doing that.
What about, okay, what about, sorry, I wanted to ask this real quick.
There's a cool clip of you talking about Kobe cussing you out over voicemail.
Yes.
You said you and AI didn't talk for eight months.
Yes.
What's the craziest story you have of a player being upset with you for something you said and like some crazy shit happened that you're comfortable saying?
No, I would tell you, I've told this story many times and I actually hate telling it now because I feel bad because I just reflect on it and know how wrong I was.
But, you know, we were in Denver when Randy, Larry Brown, I think it's 2003, something like that.
Larry Brown leaves for Detroit, 2003, 2004 season.
Randy Ayers takes over.
Randy Ayers takes over coach in 76.
He ultimately gets fired.
Glenn, big dog Robinson.
I thought he could have handled things better, whatever, whatever.
I go on TV, I say what I have to say, blah, blase.
And then next thing you know, they got a game in Denver after All-Star weekend.
And I walk in the locker room and big dog gets in my face.
You know, motherfucker, I saw what the hell you said.
You know, you ain't shit.
You ain't this, you ain't that, blah, blah, blah.
He's talking smack to me and the whole bit.
I'm like, can I speak?
He's like, what?
You know, he said, you're no good, sorry-ass MF of blah, blah, blah.
And I said, my turn.
I said, I appreciate your honesty because I feel the exact same way about your sorry ass motherfucker.
Who the fuck you think?
Blah, blah, blah.
And we get into it.
You know what I'm saying?
And he was like, he said, he said, man, you don't know who I am.
He said, you don't know who I am.
I'm from Gary, Indiana.
I said, motherfucker, so is Michael Jackson.
So after all of that, so after all of that happen, after all of that happened.
Yeah, nobody can clean scary in here, bro.
NJ Ruin.
So after all of that happened, after all of that happened, you know, we never spoke to each other again the whole bit.
And then years later, I just felt really bad because I saw him talking about it.
And I was like, and then Randy Ayers and others got on me because they were like, let it go, let it go, let it go.
And I was like, they right.
And then I saw his son.
And his son was in the league.
And he was such a nice kid and everything.
I didn't want his son looking at me talking on TV every day, thinking that one day if I spoke about him, it was going to be because of his father.
And then I realized, you know how you just look at somebody and it's like an epiphany hits you?
This is all my fault.
That brother was a basketball player.
Whatever he felt about Randy Ayers, he felt about Randy Ayers.
Whatever he felt about his teammates, he felt about his teammates.
He has that right.
He was in that locker room.
He was a star player formerly at Purdue and then in the NBA.
I wasn't.
You know, he was that dude.
And the fact of the matter is Glenn Bigdore Robinson could ball.
And the people that you spoke to, most of them felt he was a really cool brother.
And they didn't feel the way that I felt about him at the time.
So I was like, there must have been something good about him.
The fact of the matter is, and I don't want his son feeling this way.
So I walked up to his son when I saw his son.
I was like, I was totally wrong.
Your father was right.
I said, I could have handled things better.
I'm the one sitting in this chair.
It's my obligation to be the professional and the grown-up, and I didn't live up to my obligation.
I want you to know that if I see your father, I'm going to apologize to him.
And I want you to know you never have to worry about anything that happened with me and your dad being a reason why I would judge how you play or anything like that.
Influence And Locker Room Dynamics00:04:06
I'm going to call it like I see it.
That's all you have to worry about with me.
And I just felt that that was the right thing to do.
And I still feel that way to this very day because it's on me.
I'm the one that's sitting in that chair.
And I should have handled it better.
When you're in the chair, you have influence.
Yes.
And people know that you have influence, and they might want to take away your influence.
That's what we do to influential people.
We try to remove that influence.
Many have tried.
Have they tried, like, have they tried throwing ladies your way?
Like, is it a matter of fact?
For me, personally, I think so.
I think that there have been several cities.
Look, I'm dead serious.
I'm not joking.
I think there's several cities.
One time.
Miami, Miami, Miami.
Yes, Mike.
He's got the dolphins colors right now.
Yes, Dallas.
He's repping.
He's repping right now.
Yes, Dallas.
Yes, Dallas.
Yes, L.A. There have been times where...
Dallas must be throwing you some ugly women the way you talk about the Cowboys.
Oh, they're Cowboys.
They're throwing Cowboys, some reverse Cowboys at Dolphins.
There's a lot of nice looking women.
I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Dallas is kind of nice.
But I will tell you this, seriously, man.
There have been times where I'm like, I don't think I'm Godzilla.
I think I'm a decent looking dude, but I ain't that damn good looking.
These women being a little too aggressive.
Oh.
There are times that I felt like that.
And it was like it was during the finals one year.
It was during the playoffs another year.
And all of those cities that I mentioned.
And I'm like, nah, nah.
You know, I'm saying no.
I'm walking away.
Not just that.
You get to go into the front desk, finding what room I'm in.
I got to change the name on my hotel room.
Like, I got to go by, you know, I got to go by, you know, like, what is that?
I got a brain like you steal.
No, I got to come off that.
I got to change the rumpel Stilskin.
I mean, it had to do something like that.
But I had to like, yo, what the hell's going on here?
There were girls knocking on your hotel.
Knocking on a hotel door, trying to hook up the whole bitch.
No, but it was like, but again, I'm looking at them and they look pretty damn good.
And I'm like, this is.
This is good looking.
No, this is no, I open the door.
I'm like, this is not a bad thing.
I got to see it.
I just didn't let him in.
I'm a gentleman.
I ain't gonna let them in.
I had to open the door.
I mean, just respectful.
I was being respectful.
That's all.
That's all.
But the point is, is that that's what I did.
You know?
And it was like, I'm just looking at it and I'm like, this is ridiculous.
This is fine as hell.
And why are you chasing, chasing it?
Nah.
Stephen A. Stephen Ace.
And you dressed nice nails.
Now, before.
It was with the bandka.
It was with the baggy bag.
No, no, no.
They didn't like the baggie baby.
You can't even see.
She was hot and sausage, bro.
But the point is, but the point is that that's what they were doing.
And I was like, this is too much.
No, I don't look that damn good.
I ain't that.
I ain't one of these superstar players.
Oh, hell no.
I smelt the setup.
And when you, let me tell you, what will stop me in my tracks real quick is when I think somebody's trying to mess with my money.
That's what I know how to police myself.
It ain't worth it.
Get your ass in your hotel room, close that door, refrain, chill out.
You understand what I'm saying?
Yes.
It's the one thing in my life I can't go celibate for, my money.
Yes, I can.
But that is wild that they're sending.
Like I said, I don't know.
I'm not saying that I'm coming from a bullshit.
I'm not saying I'm coming from a position of knowledge.
I'm saying that I suspected it because I'm like, no, I'm not one of those dudes that, you know what?
Oh, I couldn't get a girl until I got on television.
I've always been blessed.
Money Versus Celibacy00:09:30
We know.
I've always been blessed.
I'm good.
I'm good.
We worry about it.
But the point is, is that despite being blessed in that regard, you know, in terms of women wanting, instead of women wanting to meet me and the whole bit, I ain't never had these.
I ain't never had no women come after me the way some of those women came after me.
And I can tell you, you can call it whatever you want, but I'm one of those dudes you don't have to worry about on the road.
Like, yo, you know, what's he doing?
How he acting.
Oh, hell no.
I guard myself like, like, you know, like, like, like, like I'm money in the safe.
I don't play.
You know, I go out.
It's with my inner circle.
I don't just hang out.
I'm going out.
You know, if I'm with my girl, that's different.
If I'm with my family or the people that I work with, that's different.
I don't go to strip clubs.
I don't go to just parties by myself.
I don't put myself in a position where I can potentially get exposed.
Somebody slides some shit in your drink or whatever.
Oh, no, no, no, none of that.
I got people around me at all times.
You know what's fucked up?
Is like those girls found out about you and fell in love with you probably from their boyfriends watching you.
Like their boyfriends are watching their show and then they're in the background doing some TikToks and shit.
Like, oh, he has a kind of nice voice.
And the dude didn't even fucking see it come.
Yeah, that's true.
That's just a situation.
There's a slight issue with what y'all are not saying.
Okay.
But that's just as important as I'm talking about.
Y'all acting like that's the case with a dude that's on television.
That's usually the case, period, with any of y'all.
Think about it.
Think about how you've met somebody.
Think about how somebody else has met your friend or whatever the case may be.
You do have people that plot.
You do have people that it's like, you know, you could have a lady and she meet one of y'all and she's looking at you like, yeah, but she with you.
It does happen.
It does happen.
And by the way, men are proof.
Men are obviously worse.
Men are obviously worse because we see some shit we like.
You understand?
A lot of times, at some point in time or another in our life, we didn't care about who we were with.
So we can't do, don't act like it's TV.
It's anybody.
I literally, I never forget years ago, man, it was, this was about 20 years ago.
I went to a journalism conference and I watched, and I watched, listen to me, a journalist conference.
Journalist conference.
And I watched two, I watched two people who I knew were married go into their room together, came out of the room, went downstairs to meet their respective spouses who were just around.
Maybe they went journalism.
Yeah, they were journalists.
Journalists isn't journalists.
That's one way that's a word.
That's a word you use for it.
I'm just saying, it's like, it doesn't matter, y'all.
It doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman.
Anything's possible.
It doesn't matter what industry you're in.
It doesn't matter what's going on.
And when you are a journalist slash commentator, pundit, whatever, you connected to the fourth estate, which is the media and stuff like that.
You see it all.
You see it all.
And I can't even begin to tell you the things that I've seen.
It makes you scared to get married.
Makes you scared to get married.
I mean, when you're trying to late, bro.
Yeah.
Wait, what kind of crazy?
What do you mean?
Wait a minute.
Are you telling me there have been like players' wives that have tried to throw you the breadbasket?
No, not me.
What I'm saying to you is that there are players who have been traded because they were with a teammate's wife.
Oh, wait, wait.
There are coaches.
There are coaches who have traded players because players was getting with somebody they would get with.
Listen, it happens everywhere.
Y'all talking to me because I do sports, but the fact of the matter is sports, Wall Street.
You could be medicine, you know, somebody, doctors and nurses working at a hospital.
Look, man, since Adam and Eve, this has been going on.
Stop acting like we don't know.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah, we're all married, bro.
I never met anybody in my life.
You know what?
You married?
That's exactly the answer you should give.
Would you get married again?
I've never been married.
I've been married.
Oh, that's right.
You have kids, though.
Two dills.
Two daughters.
Yeah, yeah.
But would you get married once?
Yes.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I've done it all.
He didn't say I've done them all.
Wait, who takes down the most the opposite I've liked?
I never heard this set up.
I live a good life.
That's all, folks.
I've lived a good life.
I've lived a good life.
That's all, folks.
I've lived a good life.
You know what I'm saying?
Listen, I'm not proud of the fact.
I'm not proud of the fact that I've never been married, but I am proud of the fact that I didn't get married and not honor marital vows, not even come close to it.
At least I didn't do that.
So, you know, I mean, there comes a point in time where, you know, you get sick, you know, you want somebody there to nurse you back to health.
You come home.
You get married.
You got to have a significant other.
You got to have a significant other.
It damn sure ain't because you have this overwhelming desire to be the most monogamous person on the planet.
No.
You just get to a point where it's like, you know, I've been here, done that, you know, and it's cool.
You know, but it's over.
Overwhelming desire.
You just wake up one more time.
I need to.
Be faithful to this.
Yeah.
Wake up.
Wake up.
I mean, listen, listen.
I'm proud of any man.
Yeah.
Any man.
Yeah.
That says, I have found the person that I want to spend the rest of my life with, and I have zero interest in any other human being on the planet.
That is a very, very special man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's not me.
Up until this point in mind.
Oh, but you're getting there.
No, no, no.
I think, no, no, I'm over all of that, man.
But I'm over all the stuff.
All the monogamous stuff or all the months.
No, no, I'm over all.
I'm over.
Listen, I've been, I've spent the vast majority of my life.
Pinky got a boner.
He talked about it.
I've been, listen, man.
Listen.
No, no, no.
Ever since I would tell you, I'm 55.
Ever since I became a dad, my life changed.
Oh, really?
Prior to that, just reckless.
It was crazy.
It was bad.
It was bad.
Just call it Will Taylor.
You putting up Willie.
No.
You're putting up with me.
No, nothing like that.
It was never like that.
It was never like that.
But you know what it was?
It wasn't so much what I was doing because I was never that bad.
It was what I wanted to do.
Meaning that, you know what, I would be with someone and know there's no way that this is going to last because I'm going to want. to be with someone different.
It wasn't worth running around, all of that other stuff.
Nah, you ain't doing that, but what you're doing is you're like, I have no intentions of being in this for long term.
You class.
But once I became a father, the scary part is, is like, you know, especially when you got daughters, you like this.
Damn.
I don't want her to run into somebody that I was like.
No.
You know, you start thinking about...
All of a sudden, you know what it works.
All of a sudden, you sit there going like, you know what the word karma means.
Yeah.
You didn't know what it meant before then.
But now you're like, shit, I know what it means now.
Karma was a stripper in D.C.
Yeah.
And you're in your aunt.
I was in New York.
I was like, I'm in Toronto.
I mean, you just, you're looking at all of that.
You're looking at all of that.
It's like, nah, you know.
But it changes.
And, you know, it's like, you know, you don't feel like you're doing anything wrong.
You know, you single, you're not married, you don't have any kids.
And you're very, very honest.
Look, I'm traveling 200 plus days out of the year.
I'm not trying to settle down.
But then you find somebody special and you want to be around them, but you still sense it's not going to last.
All right.
So then it doesn't last.
And then you get with somebody else.
And then that doesn't last.
And you don't care.
Then you become a dad.
And all of a sudden, everything you didn't care about, now it's an overload.
You caring about that all the time.
You're like, Lord, please don't do this to me.
Don't make them run into somebody like I was.
And you could sit up there and you could look at a whole bunch of people that's much, much worse than you ever were.
But the fact of the matter is you're thinking about you and you're thinking about how you were and you're like, shit.
Why did I do this?
But you have daughters, right?
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
But they won't know what it's like to be.
I know.
I know.
That's what I'm trying to say.
I know.
I knew how I was.
I knew how I thought.
I'm like, oh, shit.
Threesome's a lot?
No, no, no.
Triangle offense.
I'm not getting into that.
But you all the Philadelphia.
Fatherhood And Boxing Legends00:11:51
I don't get it.
I'm not getting into all of that.
I don't know.
Of course it's too much.
No.
He got it.
He got it.
Nah, he was running boxing one.
It is, dude.
Not at all.
Not at all.
I sat up there.
I sat up there and I was like, yo, nope, I'm chilling out.
I mean, listen, most people I've been around with all my life.
I'm talking about my boys, my cousins, people like that.
They were far more buck wild than I ever was.
But that didn't make me innocent.
Right.
And I know that.
So when you become a dad, it's like, shit.
Yeah.
So this is the thing.
I feel like when people talk to you, this is why it's exciting to talk about this kind of stuff because when people talk to you for the first time, I'm sure they're always going like, here's my sports take.
What is your opinion on it?
You know what?
Believe it or not, I try to make it very, very clear to people.
That's what I do.
That's not who I am.
That's what I'm saying.
You know, it's a lot more to me than I like to joke around.
I like to clown around.
And I love, I've always been one because I've grown, I was the youngest of six, got four older sisters, 90% of my relatives are females, whatever.
So I always love that.
That's where the risk comes from.
I always love being around the fellas and just shooting the breeze.
Like being in a room filled with testosterone and stuff.
You know what I'm saying?
I like that.
You know what I'm saying?
It makes you feel free because that happened to me often.
So when people get me around, it don't have to be about women all the time, but they ask me questions.
I'm not running from anything.
But that's the cool thing.
It's like, because I feel like somebody as opinionated as you is going to have these same, it's not like you're just going to be opinionated about sports.
It's going to be about politics.
It's going to be out relationships and all these kinds of things.
Yeah, because that's how it is at home.
Exactly.
I mean, if you're being real about it, who goes home and just talk about what they do for a living?
No.
You really talk about a lot of things that expand beyond that.
And so for me, it's not something that I ever run from.
And if you want to hear that, no mercy.
His podcast now, you go into every single topic.
That's right.
Don't run from anything.
Yeah, I love it.
You know what I'm saying?
So, I mean, it just is what it is, and I'm just having the ball.
It was one of those things I remember during the pandemic, right?
Everything shut down, no sports going on.
I'm like, I'm like, we're about to find out if these motherfuckers can really talk for a living.
And when you guys found a way to talk about not sports every day.
Every day.
Like, y'all are still.
Listen, man, that shit wasn't intentional.
We should have had time off.
But we didn't.
But we didn't.
I mean, first take.
Everybody had time off.
It was you and nurses.
First take was on every day, five days a week throughout the pandemic.
Those two months where there was nothing but sports.
That's why, let me tell you something.
That's why Dana White, that's why he was such a salvation for us.
Because remember, he was talking about he was pushing for the sport to keep going.
And that gave us something to talk about.
That gave us something to talk about.
The two people I'm most grateful to because they provided us sports during the pandemic was Dana White and Michael Jordan's last dance.
Bro, when the last dance came out, it couldn't have been a more perfect time.
I remember there's a video of me somewhere.
My wife is videotaping me without realizing it, and I'm explaining her the rules of how I'm going to watch this show.
And she's going, but what if I have any questions?
I go, there are no questions.
We're watching.
No, she asks fucking questions the whole time.
Scotty Pippin.
Why is his wife dating somebody?
Everybody.
That's a good dance.
But that was like this perfect.
Okay, you're older than me, but I'm still old enough to be at a time where it's like there were a few things on TV that everybody cared about.
Right.
And when the finals came around or the playoffs came around, that was it.
Now there's everybody's on TikTok, Instagram.
There's a million different things that they can be distracted by.
But when that fucking, when that special came out, when that documentary came out, it felt like the world stopped, man.
And if it was like, I don't know if like the world is organized in this way.
I don't know if there's a higher power.
I don't know what it is.
But it was something like, hey, y'all are going to fucking recognize Jordan's greatness.
There's a reason these kids are wearing these sneakers.
They never watch them play once.
And I would even talk to young people about it.
And they'd be like, oh, I see why you.
You know what I'm saying?
But, you know, because so many of them are lost.
It's so sad.
You know, I mean, because they wanted, they listen, they talk about LeBron.
They talk about these other plays, talk about even Kobe and then, you know, MJ, better than MJ.
No, they were not.
MJ was on another level, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, listen, LeBron is universally respected.
Mount Rushmore basketball, greatest small forward that ever lived, or going to go down his all time greatest scorer in NBA history, all this other shit.
All true.
But you know something?
He ain't 6-0 in the NBA Finals with six NBA Finals MVP.
He doesn't, you know, Michael Jordan doesn't have a choke performance on his resume.
We just call it what it is.
Against Dallas 2011, that was not LeBron's shining moment.
That's just the truth.
And then not only that, and I often use this.
LeBron is universally and unquestionably highly respected.
Jordan was feared.
He scared the living hell out of you.
You didn't want to go up against Jordan.
You want to know parts of him.
And Jordan would do things to demoralize you in such a way that you didn't even want to think about going up against him again.
I mean, the things that this man, the things that this man used to do to people, to opponents, it's unreal, man.
And I'm like, I saw it.
I saw it.
They could talk to me.
They could talk whatever they want until the cows come home.
Michael Jordan's number one.
LeBron's number two.
Yeah.
LeBron's number two.
Between two and three, between him and Kareem and Dujibal.
Okay.
I have a theory that Floyd Mayweather is the greatest great of all time, meaning he is greater at his skill of boxing than Stephen Hawking was at science.
Okay.
I can live with that, but I don't know if I would call him the greatest fighter of all time.
First of all, Floyd Mayweather is one of the greatest ever.
He's a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant defensive fighter.
His speed, his bass, is boxing savvy.
He's just a savant.
He's just something special.
No question about it.
But I got to look at the Sugar Ray Leonards of the world.
So you came up at a time where you're watching Sugar Ray.
I watch Sugar Ray.
I watched Pepino Cuevas.
I watched Thomas the Hitman Hearns, Hagler, Mugabe, all of these cats.
I mean, what's the name?
Aaron Pryor, Alexis Aguelo, Salvador Sanchez before he died.
I mean, I come up with that era.
And I'm telling you right now, you could look at, of course, Allie, Foreman, Fraser, Norton, Shavers, all of these guys, right?
It's not just about your skill set.
It's who you do it against.
Your level of competition.
Is it possible that he's so far beyond his level of competition that he made it look easy?
Well, I think he did as a lightweight.
When he went up to the welterweight division, not so much.
You know what I'm saying?
Now, if I'm not going to be able to do that, take out Canelo the way he took out.
Well, he just gave him a boxing lesson, but Canelo was 22 years old.
See, I remember that.
That's an excuse, though.
I don't like this like he's 22.
He's 20.
I'm going to tell you this.
Well, you know, you do have to take that into consideration.
Let me explain.
You have to take that into consideration when boxing is the issue.
Now, if he got knocked on his ass, that's different.
But when he simply got schooled, when you swinging a punch and Floyd is tapping you on your shoulder saying, I'm behind you, that's a problem.
You understand what I'm saying?
That's just a skill.
Like, you know, you.
We could credit Floyd with that.
Of course, I am crediting.
I'm saying he's a brilliant, brilliant boxer.
You know, Floyd knew how to move before you even threw the damn punch.
You see what I'm saying?
You got to be a veteran to know how to overcome that.
You can't put a novice into the ring with Floyd Money Mayweather.
You understand?
He's going to school you.
What I'm saying to you is that if you want to make an argument on Floyd Money Mayweather's half, which I'm not summarily dismissing, I would tell you it's this.
Floyd Money Mayweather was undefeated for the last half of his career with one hand.
He constantly broke his hand.
He constantly broke his hand.
And so because he broke his hand, you got to give credit where credit is due.
He would go into a ring knowing he had no shot at knocking somebody out because his hands were hurt too much and literally walked in the ring and said, I'm going to embarrass you and humiliate you by showing the world you can't hit me.
Wow, that's true.
We were in Jacksonville.
He hit Arturo Gotti.
Beat the shit out.
But we were in Jacksonville, Florida.
The Philadelphia Eagles were playing among New England Patriots in the Super Bowl.
And it was a week before, a few days before the game.
And I go up to Floyd and I'm like, look, man, you know, this man, this is modern day Rocky.
You can't play around with Gaddy.
You got to take him out.
You can't play.
I'm just telling you, we're in the VIP section.
Floyd grabs me, pulls me close to him.
Ain't no motherfucker with six losses beating me.
Don't ever forget that.
I said, what?
Music blaring, VIP section, we in the club, the whole shit.
He said, I said, ain't no motherfucker with six losses ever beating me.
Goat.
Watch.
So I said, fine, I'm a BD.
Fight was in Atlantic City.
I flew back from Jacksonville and I went to Atlantic City for the next week for the fight.
And Floyd beat that brother like he stole.
It was a point in there.
Roger Mayweather looked at the cameras like, keep watching this ass whipping.
And Floyd hit that brother with like six straight rights.
I said, oh, my God, just picked him apart.
That's insane.
Just like he told me he was going to do.
Wow.
My dad used to be a journalist.
He would go to Ali's camp a lot.
And he asked Ali before he fought Foreman.
He's like, how the hell are you going to beat this guy?
Remember, Foreman, that was when Foreman hit Frazier and lifted him off the fucking canvas with an uppercut, remember?
Yes.
Yes.
And Ali told him, he goes, you have to understand, like, I'm a scientific boxer.
He goes, this new stuff, this is what you do.
He goes, you could be the best at this.
He goes, but I'm the greatest ever at this.
And it is a science to me.
And I have figured out how I'm going to break this guy down.
Now, the irony is he went into the ring with that plan.
He was like, this shit ain't fucking working.
I need to lay on these ropes.
But that's the greatness of Ali for sure.
But there are certain guys that you can just.
Well, it's funny you bring that up because I write about it in my book.
That's my father's funniest moment.
I've never seen my father laugh harder than when Foreman knocked Frazier upside the back of the head for that final knockdown.
I mean, it was just hilarious.
You know, it was like, my father laughed about that until the day he died.
I mean, it was 50 years.
Then spanning 50 years, he still laughed at it until the day he died about how Frazier got knocked because he had never seen somebody get knocked out of the back of their head.
That way, the Foreman hit Frazier and Foreman was menacing.
You know, Foreman was arguably the most menacing boxer in history.
People talk about Mike Tyson.
Go back and watch it and how Foreman scared the living hell out of them.
But when you think about brilliant boxers, Floyd's up there.
Sugaray was.
Allie, of course, the greatest because who went through the adversity that Allie went through, which is why we call him the greatest.
But Floyd's up there.
He's in the discussion.
Yeah.
Defining True Athletes00:06:50
Okay, so the question is, obviously Brady's retired.
Yeah.
And I think a lot of people are like, I think they're hesitant to be like, he's the greatest athlete ever.
I think he is.
Do you think?
First of all, the word athlete has no business in the same sentence as Tom Brady.
Because...
That wasn't what he was.
He is an elite passer of the football and an elite football mind, which both contributed to him being the greatest quarterback ever.
But he ain't the greatest athlete.
That is not true.
What makes you an athlete?
Well, speed, quickness, agility, along with various other skills that come along with the respective sport that you're in.
Tom Brady didn't have those things.
You know what?
Mike Francesa, formerly a Mike and the Mad Dog radio show, they were on my show first take last week.
And they had their reunion.
And Mike Francesa made a very valid point.
He said, I love Tom Brady.
He's got the greatest resume as a quarterback ever.
He's the GOAT, no doubt about it.
No shade throw on him.
He said, but we need to understand he's neither the greatest regular season quarterback ever.
That was Peyton Manning.
And he said, nor is he the greatest Super Bowl quarterback ever.
That would be Joe Montana.
He said, those two quarterbacks, he said, you're talking about Tom Brady.
Tom Brady was neither the greatest regular season quarterback nor the greatest Super Bowl quarterback.
But that's 10 Super Bowls versus four.
I understand that.
But what I'm saying to you is that Tom Brady, say what you will, the fact of the matter is that was factually correct.
Well, I would just disagree with Greatest because it's not winning percentage to me.
It is, you got to take everything into account.
No, then don't then take everything, not just what you want to.
Like, for example, you look at the AFC East.
Well, the Jets, the Miami Dolphins, and the Buffalo Bills spent years.
They were coached.
They were jettisoned.
So you are automatic.
You are an automatic top two seed in the AFC.
for years.
You guaranteed a home playoff game at Foxborough.
Okay.
Most of the time, two games in the AFC championship games.
So you got to take that into account, right?
Then you got to take into account the first three Super Bowls Tom Brady won is because of that defense.
New England.
Bill Belichick coached defense.
He obviously was the defensive coordinator before he became the head coach.
Ty Law and McGinnis and the rest of the crew.
The defense led the New England Patriots, not the Patriots' offense.
They led, but the winning drive was always Brady.
I understand that.
That was every Super Bowl.
Well, you could say that.
Well, what about the losing drive?
Because guess what?
In the AFC championship game, he couldn't put together a winning drive against Peyton Manning.
Peyton Manning had beat him.
You also got to remember in the Super Bowl, Eli Manning beat him twice.
Yeah, Eli got him twice.
Okay, so you got to look at all of that.
And by the way, he should have lost to Seattle if Pete Carroll and Daryl Beville didn't call the stupidest play in NFL history when Marshawn Lynch is running, wreaking havoc over the New England Patriots.
Get you to literally the half-yard line, and they decide to have Russell Wilson throw a pass over the middle that gets intercepted by Michael and Butler at the half-yard line.
This is what they did.
He should have lost that Super Bowl.
He was down 28-3 against Atlanta, but Matt Quinn and Kyle Shanahan decide not to run the football and throw the damn football.
So an incomplete pass stops the clock, which gave New England all the time in the world to come back and erase the 25-point deficit when they were supposed to run the damn football.
So there's a lot of things that happened.
And Matt Ryan took that sack that took them out of field goal range that ended up letting New England come back crazy.
So all that I get, but again, to me, overall encompassing 10 Super Bowls is crazy.
That's more than every team ever.
Well, nobody's saying he's not the GOAT.
They're just saying that you can be the GOAT without being the best regular season or the best Super Bowl quarterback.
That's what they're saying.
They still call them the GOAT.
They're saying, but he's not the greatest regular season quarterback and he's not the greatest Super Bowl quarterback.
But the athlete conversation is, I thought there's an athlete as someone who plays a sport because the best athlete is probably some CrossFit guy.
But we're not going to call him a quarterback.
That's fair.
That's fair.
I get where you're coming from.
But I guess what I'm saying is when we look at a respective sport and we marvel at the greatness of a player, it's usually because of what they do.
That's true.
But when you say athlete, you take into consideration a multitude of things.
Primetime Deion Sanders is the greatest cornerback that ever lived.
But damn, could he play wide receiver?
And damn, could he return punts and kickoffs too?
And damn, when he got into the open field, you could pick the fastest dude out there.
They had no shot of catching him, which is how he came up with the dance because he could afford to dance because there was nobody on his heels because he would just run away from the crowd because that's how lightning fast and quick primetime Deion Sanders was.
There's a multitude of things.
Bo Jackson, baseball, and football.
And you saw the versatility of his skill set and the repertoire that he had available to him.
You looked at that.
Caleb Jenner won a men's decathlon as a woman.
That's amazing.
Think about that.
That's impressive.
That's pretty crazy.
I'm not going to do that.
I'm not wasting my time with that.
He's not wasting my time.
Miles is watching.
So then maybe the greatest athlete of all time is Usain Bolt.
Okay.
Because everybody in the world has run straight.
Not everybody's played baseball.
Not everybody's played basketball.
Well, you can say he's the fastest man.
But again, I said versatility when it came to athletics.
I didn't say speed.
I said versatility.
So you say you same boat, you're talking speed.
I'm talking versatility.
So Bo Jackson runs, you know, runs over the stocks, plays baseball.
Deion was playing baseball.
Deion played baseball and football as well.
Number one athlete of all time.
A lot of people try to say Jim Brown because he played football in La Crosse.
La Crosse.
Apparently he was amazing at La Crosse.
He was.
They said he was amazing at La Crosse.
I'm going to tell you it's a cross between prime time Deion Sanders and Bo Jackson.
That's me.
In terms of athleticism, if you want to tell me LeBron, because I can imagine LeBron on a football field.
What about Tiana Trump?
Because a lot of people don't know her.
Amazing skill set.
I have amazing skill sets.
No one's talking about diversity.
I don't know.
You're just knocking at your hotel room all day.
You never open the door one time?
Open the door, say hello.
Very nice to meet you.
Sorry, not interested.
Have a nice evening.
Make sure I get my little.
I'm a little bit hole one time.
Make my sister service.
No, no, look at the people open the door.
Yeah, yeah.
Did you do the movie Underdogs?
No.
You didn't do that, the Snoop movie?
No.
I wish Snoop had called me about that one.
I thought you were in the middle of the day.
I heard you say, aren't you in there?
I am in it, but I thought you were supposed to be in it.
There's like cameos from.
If they did it, I don't know about it.
I might have to make a phone call to Uncle Snoop.
You know what I'm saying?
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I mean, he's the dude.
That's my dog right there.
Yeah, but the person who's played this Stephen A in the film.
Well, no, more sketch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I thought that was cool what you said about skipping your book, man.
Just about like that he is this person.
And that you appreciate people who are like that.
Right.
Like you would rather somebody stand on their opinions, even if they're wild, than somebody just say a wild thing for reaction.
Yeah, that's Skip.
That's Skip.
I think that he's authentically himself.
I don't think he's a phony or anything like that.
I'm going to always have love for him because I wouldn't be where I am in my career today if he hadn't pushed for me to be on first aid.
So he knew it.
You saw something.
Well, we both saw it.
It's just that he had, he was in a position at that time to help make that happen.
And he definitely pushed for it.
We don't always agree, obviously.
That's why we had a successful debate show and all of that stuff.
There's things that he has said and done in his career that I would have done differently.
There's no doubt about that.
But I'm eternally grateful to him for the role that he's played in my life.
And I will never allow anybody to think otherwise in terms of how I feel about him.
Okay, I know you got to go, so I don't want to take too much time.
Sure.
I am.
Why is it, why are sports so important to us?
You've been around sports your entire life.
You know it more, probably better than any other human being.
Why is it so important?
Why does it elicit this emotion?
Why do I cry when I watch a fucking documentary?
Because I think it's an escape from this fucked up world that we live in.
Even though, like, for example, you notice how frustrated people get when politics, social issues, and all of this other stuff infiltrates sports.
Yeah, because we're like, we're leaving that sport to have that.
Right, right.
And you get very upset when it intervenes.
There's a reason for that because sports has been utilized as an escape for so long.
But my response to that is that's only because folks weren't paying attention.
Society has always infiltrated sports.
Think about the civil rights era and think about the athletes that took the positions that they took.
That's why they were famous.
Think about Muhammad Ali with the Vietnam War and refusing to enter the armed services.
Think about Jim Brown and Bill Russell and Kareem Abdu-Jabbar.
Think about Kurt Flood fighting for free agency.
Think about Jackie Robinson and Larry Doby integrating the sport of baseball.
Throughout history, things that have not, that supposedly didn't have anything to do with sports, ended up having everything to do with sports because what the athletes and the sports world was showing you is that we still have to live in the society once the games stop.
And these folks come to the games and they bring that stuff with them.
They might chair for you if they're rooting for you.
But what about the Philadelphia Phillies manager that was denigrating Jackie Robinson with racial epithets and all of this other stuff while he was up at the batter's box and calling them all types of names and everything like that?
Because when you have people rooting against you, they could do anything to you.
We look at Naomi Osaka right now and she's playing tennis.
And then you've got people clamoring for folks to stop bullying or start reacting or whatever because they see her get so emotional.
And then the issue of mental health and all of this stuff comes to the forefront.
We're constantly seeing things invading the sports world because the athletes come from those worlds and they have to deal with it as well.
So why act like it doesn't exist?
Especially if you're not compromising the game to do it.
See, to me, there's no excuse for getting in the way of the game.
You Colin Kaepernick, you can protest.
I defend him all the time from the standpoint, listen, he took a knee, he did this, he did that, but guess what he didn't do?
He didn't get in the way of kickoff time.
He let the games were being played.
So when I'm arguing with conservative hosts and stuff like that, and they're talking about these things, I say he didn't get in the way of the game.
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He's an American citizen.
He has every right to do what he did.
He didn't violate any laws.
He didn't violate any of the sports tenets or anything like that.
He's just taking this position, which is unpopular to some, which is popular to others.
That's the world that we live in.
And so when you see sports, even though it's supposed to be an escape, and that's why people clamor to it and gravitate to it, I like the fact that societal issues sometimes infiltrate sports because it's a reminder that even though life can be beautiful and it can be a game, life ain't all about games.
It's about life.
So let's deal with all of that while we still manage to play games.
Stephen A. Smith, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you so much for being here.
Make sure you check out the book.
Get the book straight shooter.
Check out the podcast.
No mercy.
You're the fucking man, dude.
I appreciate it, man.
I had a lot of fun.
Y'all are crazy, man, but I love it.
I love it.
I like it.
I like it.
And we're back.
Awesome having Stephen A on thoughts, guys.
He was so fucking cool.
I thought just hearing Stephen A cuss is great.
You know what I mean?
And then he's a little intimidating, but just cool as fuck.
No acknowledgement of the Cowboys stuff.
Bro, that was so funny.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's why I was laughing before.
He saw me, shook my hand, and like I was dressed normally, and then just kept talking about everything that was happening as if I wasn't.
He saw me, he was like, hey, how you doing, young man?
Nice to meet you.
That's all he gave me.
He must have seen the pod before.
He saw how you dressed.
He's like, oh, this is his regular red.
Bro, you were in here for an hour dressed like fucking Woody.
I swear to God, I was like, do I take these stupid ass off?
Dumb, dumb fake boots that weren't even real.
And just asking him honest questions like, so how did that affect your career?
And the whole time he didn't say anything.
I swear to God, I was asking serious questions.
Like, I can't wait to wear these fucking boots asking these questions.
Well, you committed to it.
You never realized that.
And it would have been distracted because they had to strap it.
It was like a five-minute process getting off.
So stop in the shoe.
I was like, oh, he's locked into this dude the whole episode.
Also, we're all assholes for never bringing it up.
Like, oh, yeah, by the way, he's a cowboy.
No, it's funnier that way.
Way funnier that way.
Way funnier that way.
That's it.
Yeah.
Way funnier that way.
He's a force, man.
I'm seeing you guys over there by the bathroom.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I think that's an interesting thing.
At the top, doing what he's done for forever.
100%.
Did you get a little nervous asking a question?
Yeah.
I saw Al ask a question.
He was like, taking a picture with him right now at the end.
I was like, do my arm go around him?
Like, I've never once questioned that.
I look so stupid around another man in my life.
This is so funny.
Hey, watch it.
Yeah.
You're Norman collected.
You see this guy.
Anything you wanted to ask him that you didn't ask him?
What, like, when he's long and gone, what does he want his legacy to?
Yeah, I want to know what he wants to be known.
I mean, obviously, this is going to be the most fucking blatantly obvious observation, but, but yeah, he's just such an amazing, he's such an amazing talker, but also builds this incredible momentum.
Yeah.
Like when he gets going, you don't want to, you don't want to break it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because you're, you're, you're entertained.
Yeah.
It's like entertaining when he gets on a roll.
Yeah.
And yeah, it's just what a great skill.
But I'm glad we talked about things that weren't sports with him as well.
Yeah.
Because I think everybody naturally is just going to try to do the sports stuff, but you know that he was getting it.
We talked about things that were gotten in it.
But I wanted to ask, but then he said I wasn't as wild as some people.
I want to say, you and Irvin, when y'all trade stories back in the day, whose stories are crazy?
Nobody fucking with Irvin, bro.
Then he was like, that's why he said, like, I'm not as wild as some people.
I was like, okay, he told me right there.
But I wanted to ask.
I think he gets more pussy than some players.
God.
And that's so.
Like, he's actually more famous.
You know, like Rogan.
This is why Rogan's a good comparison.
Like, Rogue is more famous than every fighter.
He's the most famous person in the arena when he's calling a fight.
That's so funny.
And Stephen A is more famous than most basketball players.
If you're not a perennial all-star, perennial, Stephen A more famous.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
Crazy.
And then build it from nothing and then left ESPN.
I don't know who let go of who, but then to come back and then take that bitch over.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Anyway, he's fire.
Okay, what do we got, Mark?
What are we talking about?
You want to talk about Tom Brady's second retirement?
Sad, sad, sad, sad day.
Okay, I was asking Charlamagne about this, and I'm curious what you guys think.
Like, do you, do you really think that he threw away his marriage for one more year?
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That's the narrative that's out there.
My suspicion is the marriage was already shaky, and he was like, I'm not going to sacrifice playing another year for something I don't think I can salvage.
Like, I want to play another year.
I'm not going to not do that.
And then we get divorced anyway.
Yeah.
I can't fathom that they had the best marriage ever.
And because he wanted to play one more year, they're like, no, it's done.
Yeah, I wanted him to keep playing for that reason because it costs you a marriage.
But then I thought about it to your point.
And I was like, oh, probably he retired.
And then he was like, the fact that I don't want to be here anymore probably means we're done.
Like, if I'm that willing to go back to football, that lets me know we can't.
Me not having football and just being with you, it's not working.
So I think he went back to football knowing it's probably going to cost me my marriage, but it's not what I thought it was.
And she probably said the same thing.
Having him home is probably not what I thought it was.
Are they fully divorced?
Divorced, full.
Yeah.
Settled everything.
Oh, it's settled?
Yeah.
Her good days are.
Bro, she's still cooking.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Son, I don't know if you've seen the recent pictures.
Stop it, stop.
Still the mother of the kids, bro.
Oh, shit.
Fuck.
Come on, man.
Now, she was down in Costa Rica in Santa Teresa.
Yeah.
Where we went.
Oh, you met?
You saw her.
No, I didn't see her.
But she goes down there a lot, apparently.
And she was down there with a trainer.
So all these girls get with the trainer.
What is up with that?
Trainer makes sense.
Why?
Because it's someone that's got authority.
They typically look good.
And on top of that, you're doing hard work together.
Yeah.
That's what makes your brains.
You feel better every time.
Endorphin release every time you see this guy.
Caused by him.
And he makes you.
He's feeling your best when you're around him.
Yeah.
And he's good looking.
Testosterone all over this man, all up in this man.
It makes sense to me that you hooked up.
Just doing bodyguard.
And they already broke that barrier because like the touching barrier.
Physical.
So it's like, yeah.
That's why you got to be like a eunuch.
That's what they did back in the day, right?
What'd they do back then?
Like, if you were like a fucking apprentice to the queen or whatever, they chopped your balls off.
So, like, that makes more sense.
I thought the trainers back in the day had no balls.
That's what we need to do now.
Yeah, but they need a testosterone.
Why don't you need a testosterone?
Talk to the pushback.
It's like grayworm in Game of Thrones.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, because I'm not going to listen if you don't got testosterone.
If you look like a eunuch, I'm not going to take your advice on fitness.
Why not?
Be like Yoda.
Like, Yoda's not the most fit guy.
I wouldn't take Yoda's advice.
If Yoda was training you, you wouldn't listen to him.
No.
He's wise.
He would be anaking for sure.
He's not one with the force.
Yeah, I'm not one with the force, bro.
I'm Harrison Ford.
Miles, who is Harrison Ford?
I don't need that little fucking force shit.
Yeah, but you're a guy also.
That's the thing.
If there's a guy, I guess I wouldn't even want a guy training my wife in the first place.
Yeah, I don't want a guy training my wife.
Sorry, man.
It's a segue, but you might respect this as an actor who doesn't really like doing his lines.
Is there a scene in one of those Star Wars where Princess Leia says, I love you, and Hanselo goes, I know.
He was supposed to say, I love you, too, and something mushy.
And Harrison Ford was like, My character ain't no bitch.
He ain't saying that.
So she goes, I love you.
And then he just goes, I know.
And then they get frozen or whatever the fuck.
Oh, really?
Which I thought you might respect as a girl.
Yeah, see, Harrison Ford, a legend.
What would Yoda have done?
Oh, that's a good question, dude.
Spoken in a riddle or something?
Oh, shit.
But it's a wise stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But be honest, your girl comes home.
She's like, oh, yeah, I got a trainer.
We're doing one-on-one sessions.
It's this guy.
And then shows you a picture of some handsome strapping guy.
Nope.
Yeah.
I mean, my girl does have a male trainer.
But if it's a group setting, that's fine.
Nah.
Yeah, it's just one-on-one.
I mean, you got to do something.
I do have to do something about that.
You got to quit comedy when you're 44.
That's what you got to do.
You got six years.
Fuck.
But you also don't want her to get out of shape or you don't want to discourage her.
You know what I mean?
If she's having a lot of fun with fitness, you don't want to destroy the whole thing.
But now she is a female trainer, but I like that.
See, there you go.
That's good.
That's good.
Make sure she's straight, though, because if she's gay, it's even more.
Yeah, that's rich.
I'll way rather a male trainer than a gay female trainer.
Wait, why?
Because a gay female trainer knows how they got the riz, bro.
Son, you want Sam.
MJ being your fucking train her up.
Train her up.
She's going to come with all that Therapy shit and just be like, oh, yeah.
I don't care.
He tells you your value comes from him.
I don't care.
I see your value beyond him.
I don't care.
I don't care.
It's not going to do nothing to me.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know.
He's trying to talk it.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
I don't care about that.
Oh, no, no.
You're saying that she's going to.
Oh, I thought she's trying to hook up with my girl.
She's trying to just sabotage our relationship or nothing with your girl.
Yeah, she's trying to hit her.
But I would say try.
I.
Well, you don't even mess with me.
I don't want anybody to try.
Yeah.
Like, I don't care.
Like, even if they did, I wouldn't.
I don't know.
No.
Yeah.
I don't care though.
Now we're talking.
Now it's a whole different ballgame.
I wouldn't care that much.
I don't know.
No, like, listen, ideally, it's not that, but if I had to choose between like a guy or a girl, of course.
Yeah.
I don't know, bro.
I don't know.
Oh, come on.
You would.
You would rather, you just agreed with me.
Yeah, but then he put it in a different scenario.
Yeah.
No, I'm all.
Then he was just talking about fitness.
You know what I mean?
He's just talking about fitness.
Okay.
I'm just saying, someone having sex with your wife, you'd rather be a girl than a guy.
Oh, yeah, sure.
But I think the girl would take, if you get a female trainer, it's not just sex.
She's taking that girl emotionally from you.
Have a little weight off your shoulder.
Yeah, that's a weird thing.
PTO.
Give me some PTO.
Cut your time off.
I'll call you girl, yo.
I'll call you girl.
Take that shit up with her.
Yeah, that might actually work out.
I think, yeah, them Muslims got it, bro.
They could be upset.
They're upset about the same shit.
Yeah.
Y'all should talk this out, right?
Yeah.
Like you're, she's going, oh, you don't spend enough time with me because you're with her.
And it's like, you know who could really relate to this?
Work that amongst yourselves.
I think there's something to this.
Yeah, I think so.
Like, I don't even know if they really hate each other like that.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like, I think that they're like competitive, but they don't hate each other.
It's like F1 drivers.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, they're all trying to jockey for positions.
It's like Brady and Manning.
Yeah, exactly.
But they don't hate.
They relate the most.
Yeah, they get it.
They fucking know the life.
It's like presidents.
You're not like all presidents just hang out with each other because they're the only ones who know what it's like.
Yeah.
That's what it is.
Y'all some presidential pussy.
Do you know what I mean?
Talk about that life together.
No, I like it.
I don't quite like that.
I don't know if you want to deal with that stress.
That's presidential.
I don't want to deal with that stress.
That seems like too much stress.
You having your, you'd rather a fucking dude over a girl with your wife is crazy, bro.
I thought I would.
Y'all making me question myself now.
Yeah.
Okay.
You should question yourself.
I'm going to commit, but y'all really making me feel insecure about my decision.
So.
How the fuck are you so secure about it that you're cool to guide?
Yeah.
That's a trainer guy.
Man, I don't know, bro.
I just said the girl's going to get in there more deeply.
What is wrong with you, bro?
You just agree with me.
Yeah, but then he made what I was saying.
That was what he was thinking about.
I know I was bugging.
That was one of the craziest things.
I was bugging.
Yeah, you see?
Okay, I was bugging too.
There you go.
Fuck it off me.
Yeah, that's all I agree.
There we go.
Thank God.
But yeah, all that to say, I don't think him going back for another season actually like ended it.
I think that was the beginning of the end.
I don't even know what we're talking about.
Tom Brady talked about Tom Brady.
I was like, who's going back for another season?
I had no clue.
No, that's right.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't think that's the thing.
There's no fucking way.
I think it's like when all your kids move out and then you realize like what you have in your relationship.
I think this is the same thing.
Like he gets done with his career and he goes, okay, where's our relationship at?
You're not in a good place.
So I don't think it was the one additional season.
I think it was the 20 seasons before that that slowly eroded things away and other communication issues.
Or them 20 seasons held it together.
And then when it was finally home, he was like, you know what?
This sucks.
We suck together.
That's the thing.
It's like she's got her career.
She's making crazy money.
So she's busy.
She got a full-time job.
She's busy as fuck.
She's flying around the world doing all this fashion shit.
Okay.
He's got his career.
He's busy as fuck.
You're the quarterback.
Yeah.
Right?
And he was more obsessive than everyone.
Of course.
All year.
So it's like, there's no time.
Yeah.
Think about how little time we have.
Yeah.
There's no way they have time.
Yeah.
Right?
So, of course, you get along.
Of course, you think you do.
Oh, two good-looking people that see each other once a month and have children together.
Oh, my God.
How do you manage that?
Right?
Of course, you're going to be able to keep the marriage together.
And then, like you said, the second you stop playing.
So we're together too much.
This don't work.
AB stay at their house for a while.
Yeah.
Oh, God.
He's implied some crazy shit.
We should have known that marriage is over.
Like, you having some other dude just come up with a bunch of people.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, AB is a wild one.
You having a wild dude come live with us so you can win the championship.
Yeah.
Our children are here, yo.
What's going on?
I'll show you's number one.
I have like guys over because then she just has to do everything and we just have the fun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's why Miles couldn't live with me.
Okay.
That's why I'm telling you.
When you're married, you got to domicile.
You got to domicile.
You can't disrupt that.
Yeah, Miles.
That's too much testosterone.
You know what I'm saying, dude?
Yeah, Miles coming in.
He's going to fuck up the whole thing.
He's going to ignore your wife completely.
Miles comes over.
Your wife is probably like, thank God.
Yeah, I know.
Somebody can talk to you.
That's honestly true.
That's honestly a great point.
Did y'all see Last of Us?
I haven't seen it yet.
Did you see it?
Nothing new.
I'm watching tonight.
I am caught up.
I need more.
I'm caught up finally.
I needed more of that episode.
I told you.
I needed more from that.
It was too short.
It was like a 45-minute episode.
Oh, well, they gave us an hour and 20 last time.
So I kind of like when shows fuck with times, though.
I think each episode is a piece.
Yeah, but this is that the director did this episode and the next episode.
Oh, so I think they basically shot a movie with him.
Okay.
And they just chopped it in half.
So I hope that.
It does feel chopped.
Yeah, it does feel like there wasn't like a real, you know, but I did like the humor that they added to it.
Like you're starting to see the bond between them and they're doing it in a kind of cool way.
And she just has this book of puns.
Yeah.
And you know how puns aren't funny until you keep saying them.
Yeah.
And then they become like some they compound and become hilarious.
Like they get exponentially funnier the more you try to catch on up with the pun.
And she's just doing it and you're seeing him like slowly like break in the episode.
I'm not giving away anything.
Right.
But yeah, so they're just, yeah, there's aspects of the show which are like fantastic.
And then there's other parts where it's like, I wait a week for this and I look forward to it and I'm so excited.
I need a little bit of a.
Don't let me down.
Yeah.
Don't let me down.
Like I'm I'm like it's crazy having a show again.
It's awesome.
Like I'm way I'm like going.
I'm like, oh, so we got something to do Sunday.
Yeah.
But what if next week delivers on this week?
Well, that's what happened.
Delivers, meaning like it'll deliver, it'll deliver on next week and it'll tie up loose ends from this week's episode.
Then I'm good.
I can give you one episode, two episode in a row is pushing it.
Yeah.
And then three episodes in a row is walking there.
I fucking tapped out.
Yeah.
But they're great, man.
I'm telling you.
We were talking about this on Brilliant Idiots a bit, but like the batting average of HBO is truly remarkable.
It's nothing like it.
Nothing like it.
Almost no comics have specials that hit at the rate that HBO hits on TV shows.
It's like right now, live, active HBO shows.
Succession.
Everybody loves succession.
Euphoria.
Best show.
One of the best shows I've ever seen.
White Lotus.
Fire.
House of Dragons.
Last of Us.
Jesus.
Like, I'm sure there's ones I'm forgetting.
Bat girl, shut the fuck up.
You know what I'm saying?
If they canceled it, if they spent $100 million, though.
That's why they're good.
This is like what Steve Jobs did.
Like, he would release products and they'd be like about to drop and they invested fucking $100 million into this one thing.
He goes, eh, it's not right.
Scrap it.
Change it.
We're not releasing it.
They did it with a bunch of shit.
He's just like, if it's not perfect, we're not putting it up.
There it is.
Yeah.
Because they maybe understand more than anybody.
Every time you have a bad show, it erodes a little bit of trust in a brand.
Right?
It's like, it's like the consistency of going to a restaurant.
If you could consistently make food that's a B plus, I'd rather that than sometimes A plus, sometimes C plus.
Like, I know that you were posting about a Ruby Rosa, which is this great fucking Italian spot.
And it's like, the pizza's fire.
And you go there and that shit is consistent.
100%.
That consistency, if you start to fluctuate, now I can't really, it's a date.
I want to take a girl there.
I don't know if you're going to give me A plus or C.
I can't.
I can't.
If you are a friend coming in town to visit me, I'm taking you to Ruby Rosa.
Boom.
Shout out to Oyoba.
I'm taking you.
I know you're going to enjoy it.
You're going to be like, yo, I'm not getting this anywhere else.
And you're going to have a great time done.
I don't have to stress about finding the right restaurant for you.
It's great.
And that's why that Netflix model where they're just throwing out so much shit, it's like, it's impossible to throw out that much and maintain the quality.
You know, they tried to do a live action squid game and then they had to scrap it because people were getting hurt.
And just, there's no way that's going to be good.
A live action, a real squid game.
That should be fire.
That should be fire.
Basically, no, well, it basically pulled off.
Yeah, that's the thing.
You're not pulling it off.
It's not going to be nearly as high stakes as the show.
Also, it's like, do you even watch your own content?
The whole point of the show is capitalism is a problem and it makes people eat themselves.
And then you're like, and Netflix is like, that was a hit.
Let's do that in real life.
Like, they missed the whole fucking point of the show.
That is true.
HBO would never lack that self-awareness.
That's funny.
Yeah.
I still would watch it.
I still would do it.
Bro, that is so.
It's crazy, right?
Dude, this reminds me.
Went down to, you remember Manager Miles we had on the pod?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Manager Miles just had his 30th birthday.
He's like, he's like, bro, would you come down and would you like roast me or whatever?
And I never fucking do this, but I love this guy.
And I was like, okay, fine.
I'll do it.
And it was a Gatsby-themed party.
Right.
And I'm like, this guy's never fucking read The Great Cat.
It's like the great Gatsby or Gatsby, the character, was a scam artist that conned his way into high society by throwing extravagant events.
Yeah.
It's like, what are you admitting to all the people that are at this party?
It shows the issue of like chasing wealth and shit.
It's the people that watch like Wolf of Wall Street.
And then he loses it all by Wall Street.
And they heard Greed is good and they're like, Creed is good.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that movie made me want to do that.
Exactly.
Wall Street?
Yeah.
Like, there's certain movies that, like, if I saw it a younger, more impressionable age, I would have absolutely like, remember Charlie Wilson's War?
Did you guys see that movie at all?
I knew of it.
I never saw it.
Yeah.
And it was just, it made being a politician look kind of cool.
Yeah.
And then this, you remember that?
Yeah.
And then, and then the same thing with the Wolf Wall Street.
I'm like, oh, wow, like just ruining people's lives and like scamming them out of their money.
And like, this is awesome.
This is great.
Yeah.
And then nothing happens at the end.
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Yeah.
And then you kind of go to jail, but you don't.
Yeah.
Like, what is the point of that movie?
Yeah.
It works out.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, if you be the worst human, it works out.
That's one where like they try to tie the moral in afterwards.
You know what I mean?
Like they do all this crazy shit and they're like, but don't do this, you know?
Like, but we have to go over the moral to make it justify what we're telling all these crazy fucking stories.
I guess why their life has to completely fall apart at the end of a mob movie.
Like a mob movie can't end happily.
A mob movie.
Yeah, yeah.
Endorse the lifestyle.
You have to die or everybody you love die.
Everything has to fall.
Casino, everything falls.
It's too romantic.
Yeah.
I'm like, if it worked out, I'm doing that, yo.
I seen Scarface when I was younger.
Still wanted to do it.
Still that.
It's crazy how many rappers love Scarface.
They're going to bring a lot of problems.
Bring out the motherfucking problems.
Bro, it's crazy.
Dies, everything falls apart for this man.
It's like, it'll be different with me.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you just stop the movie right before the end.
You just pause it.
You got greedy.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, there is something to that.
I wonder if you can sell drugs.
I wonder if there are people there who could do it without being too greedy.
I've had this thought thousands of times.
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
But you don't think it's intoxicating?
Nah.
I know people who've been selling disciplined.
Yeah.
For a really long time.
They don't really change the amount.
They don't really add new clients.
And they've just been for a long time.
Question: If they applied that to something legitimate, do you think they would make just as much money?
No.
Probably not.
Drugs are just such fast money.
I used to think that, right?
But I used to be like, oh, yeah, if these guys just got into business, they'd be able to do the same thing in business.
And it's like, no, they wouldn't.
This is an illegal drug that is addictive by nature.
It's a lot different than selling fucking topsoles or whatever, or like hamburger makers, you know?
Like that's a hard thing to do.
There's competition.
This one, you get to shoot your competition.
And the competition is terrified to do it.
Like once it's legal to sell it, everybody's on that app.
Right.
I mean, maybe some principles are similar, but please believe if they really thought that they had like the business acumen to like succeed with any product, they go do that.
And some of the guys go legit and haven't really done much.
Like Jay-Z was a worse drug dealer than he is a businessman.
Yeah.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, well, that's why I thought.
He doesn't like kingpin.
Like, he's a kingpin of business now.
Oh, yeah.
But he stopped.
But that's why I thought.
Continued, maybe.
Maybe.
You never know.
No, that's true.
That's why I thought even he wasn't a fine drug dealer, I guess, based on what I hear.
He made it a life.
But then when he went legit, it's like, oh, this guy's a fucking genius.
Oh, yeah.
So that's why I was thinking if those guys with that discipline applied it to something else, they could climb real high.
Because discipline is the hardest thing.
Discipline every fucking week or whatever.
This is what I do.
These are, I live by this.
That's hard, especially when you can get that greedy and there's that much temptation.
And there's still that discipline.
I assume if you can apply that to something else, legitimate.
Man, for me, it should be a combination of like greed and risk.
It's like, if at this amount I'm already doing 25 years, I need to make the most money at 25 years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like that's kind of how I would do the equation.
Like if I'm selling the amount where it's just a misdemeanor, okay, I'm not going past that because I can handle a misdemeanor and I can continue my life.
Once we get into big years, I need big money to justify it.
Yeah.
Like imagine getting 25 years and only making like a teacher's salary.
Yeah.
Yeah, nah.
Yeah.
And then not to mention the risk in day-to-day life.
People trying to kill you.
People trying to rob you.
Yeah.
But I'm telling you, there's people that are just doing it normally where it's like, it's not the, I'm taking out the competition.
It's not the, oh, I need to reach new heights and new money.
It's like, no, this is like a nice little sum that I make that just pads what I do legally.
Right.
Oh, they also have jobs.
Yeah, you also have jobs.
And so they just do that.
What they're selling?
Are they selling like super hard shit?
Or like that's pretty hard.
But so they also work at a fucking UPS or something like that because there's that guy who got picked.
Did you see that?
Yeah.
The guy at the U.S. Postal Service was delivering Coke.
Which is kind of genius.
Yeah.
You can also put the tags on it and be like, it's not mine.
That's a movie.
Why has no one made that movie?
That shit is awesome.
All right.
Like the dude that's doing UPS and also like slinging drugs on the side.
No, there's a former dealer who's gone talking about everything in his past about dealing and saying between UPS, FedEx, and the Postal Service, like UPS, all the packages come to a central facility and people there would know and they'd get the drugs and take them out or take them, resell them, sell.
But the amount of drugs the U.S. Postal Service has sent is a lot of people.
Oh, for sure.
That's the biggest drug dealer in America.
Yeah.
Because they're not even checking a lot of the boxes.
Nah.
He was just barely.
Thank you, you guys.
Yeah.
I also guess you can't apply regular business practices to drug dealing.
You know what I mean?
Like you can't be like, oh, I'm going to scale.
I'm going to franchise.
I'm going to get all these employees.
Like, because the more scalability that you do, the more open you make yourself.
And off top of that, you're operating outside the law.
So it's not like you can even use the regular law, set up an LLC, do whatever the fuck.
So like you might think, oh, I want to operate like a real entrepreneur and that these people are like generally entrepreneurial.
But then as you become of real business, you're more exposed.
So it's like resisting the urge to be more efficient and like more economical.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And so a lot of these like drug dealers, they got to just be like, all right, yeah, I'm just going to only keep it at this level.
And they have that fucking discipline.
Yeah.
I think they got to have some other way to like exercise their entrepreneurship.
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You know what I mean?
Like keep it as a hobby.
Yeah.
Because if this is your main thing and you want to scale and you want to be great, they're going to get clipped eventually because you can't just keep on expanding exponentially without it being too exposed.
You know what I mean?
I mean, 100%.
It's a matter of time.
Like everybody who spent some serious time in the game says it.
They're just like, you're going to get caught.
Yeah.
It's 100%.
And you just get a hope that you accumulate enough money where you can handle the time and then get back out.
Listen, there's a big game coming up, right?
Oh, yeah.
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So this is the same thing.
Okay.
And in the comments, you're saying in the YouTube video.
Yeah, the URLs in the YouTube video.
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Tell us what boxes you chose.
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Okay.
Well, what else we got, boys?
What else cooking, man?
We got China with the balloon.
Everybody making a big deal out of that?
Yeah.
We got the Kyrie trade.
Kyrie.
Which is of note to me just because I'm from Dallas and that's more stupid shit that Dallas Sports is doing, just driving me crazy.
Okay, I have a theory on this.
Okay.
Because we've all approached the Kyrie situation as people who are outside of the business, right?
As fans.
And we're just going, why would anybody want this guy on his team?
Obviously, the skill is undeniable, but why would you put up with this headache when the guy's not playing because of his political reasons?
He's not playing because of his physical reasons.
The guy just doesn't play.
So why would you bring that person and put that person on your team?
And of course, the Dallas Mavericks make the trade.
Yeah.
My theory here is that Mark Cuban and other owners and other GMs, they have egos too.
Oh, yeah.
And they feel that they can motivate and manipulate players and also just other people that work for them into doing the things that they want.
They have so much confidence that they've built these incredibly successful businesses and they should have that confidence, right?
So he's going, I'm a billionaire because I was able to motivate people.
I was able to get people on my side and believe in my vision.
You don't think I can get this kid on my side to believe in my vision?
This kid believes the earth's flat.
I can get him to believe that he's a part of the Dallas Mavericks team.
Like, it seems like the easiest thing I imagine for a guy like Mark Cuban.
Yeah, I think you think you can change them.
You're the guy who thinks they can change the girl.
Don't save him.
He don't want to be saved.
It saved his man.
I was talking to a friend about this, a mutual friend of ours, and I was saying, Dallas could really, the fan base could really love this guy.
Oh, they're going to adore him.
He's anti-vax, possibly anti-Semitic.
I feel like a lot of these things are going to line up for the Texas fan base.
You know what I mean?
He thinks the earth is flat.
He's going to be at the fucking grassy knoll every day in Dallas trying to figure out the JFK conspiracy.
Like, this guy is perfect for the Dallas fan base.
And maybe that'll save him.
But I just, every time you think, every time you hear it's a risk, but we're going to take it, it almost never works out, especially in sports.
100%.
It's a risky move, but it could work.
It never works out.
Yeah.
But I think above that, like, not to say the fucking Texas fans are all like fucking anti-Semites and shit, but just that I think they see him as a free thinker and like a Maverick.
And literally the whole ethos of the state is like, oh, we are the lone star.
Like we push back on what everyone else is doing.
And Kyrie is like literally an exemplification of that.
And is also nice at basketball.
Bro, it was so funny today because I didn't know that he was Jewish, Mark Cuban.
I thought you said Kyrie.
Oh, I didn't know that either.
No.
And then Charlamagne goes, I thought he was Cuban.
And I didn't think he was Cuban, but it wouldn't be the craziest thing.
Right, right.
Like, I did kind of think he was Latino or something.
Yeah, I thought he was.
Yeah, I thought he was like, he's an Anglo guy.
Yeah, Jewish.
Full.
Havzies.
Jewish.
Dove.
Son, you didn't even know about this.
I honestly did not know that he was.
So why are you doing this, Mark?
Wow.
Wow.
Just makes sense, all right, guys?
Just saying.
The guy.
We got another one.
We got another one.
The KD Boston trade, that shit is kind of crazy.
Wait, did this happen?
I think it officially went through.
What?
A few moments ago.
Yeah.
I think KD went to Boston.
Yeah.
No.
I don't believe this.
Am I bugging?
Did I just make that up?
Stephen A. Smith issued his major report.
No, he's no, I think it's a rumor.
Oh, all right.
My bad.
He's on the verge of potentially being moved.
Yeah.
I can't find anything.
Oh, okay.
So maybe it's a rumor.
So they've gotten the team, basically.
Yeah.
But if he goes to Boston, that's scary.
That is going to be a squad.
It's going to be a squad.
They definitely probably win.
Definitely, probably.
But prohibitive favorites.
Favorites.
But here's the thing: he'll forever be looked at as a guy who just was added to already great teams.
Yeah.
I don't know if he wants that.
He doesn't.
I'm sure he doesn't.
Apparently.
You don't think that would be his team if he goes in?
Well, it was Golden State was his team, but you're already going to a place with a few stars.
Jason Tatum is the guy.
Yeah.
And I guess Jason Tatum hasn't won, so it's more up for grabs.
It could be like LeBron and Wade.
KD would be the guy if he went there, like LeBron and Wade.
Yeah.
But at the same time, the people, the public, would view it as, you know, you're just hopping on a team that was already there, and then you're putting them over the top.
I mean, they went to the finals last year, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They did go to the finals last year and almost won.
They were up 2-1.
Like they should have won.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
So, and this year, they're by far the best team in the East, probably overall best team.
Yeah.
And he will go there and be the best player.
There's no question.
But if we're looking for ways to discredit LeBron, there's no way that people aren't going to discredit KD.
Do you think the Celtics, I mean, the Nets could do this on purpose, knowing KD doesn't want it?
Because apparently the Lakers and Suns made better offers for Kyrie than the Maps did.
Oh, he didn't want to send it to the Lakers.
The owner didn't want to send him to the owner.
He wanted to go to the next one.
The Nets were offered two first-round picks from the Lakers.
Now they said this gives them the best chance to win now.
I don't believe that shit for a second.
Mavs traded good players, but not like that.
So the Lakers offered two first-round picks and Russell Westbrook, who with his contract is off the books this year.
And then the Suns offered Chris Paul, Jay Crowder, and a first-round pick.
And then the Nets said no.
Yeah, it was fixed.
And now they're sending him to a team.
And I don't know what your opinion is, but Dallas has a great ball handler and Luca.
And now it's Kyrie and Luca.
Do they play well together?
It could be.
They could play really well together, but you're not looking at them as real contenders.
You're just not.
Yeah.
I mean, you need the ball in Luca's hand.
I think what's interesting is that Luca needs help scoring.
And Kyrie is a guaranteed bucket.
He can get you buckets.
But how much does Kyrie need to touch the ball?
Is the question.
Yeah.
Well, Luca also needs rest, I think, is what they were seeing.
He's getting hurt all the time.
Somebody do all that.
But I'm wondering if the Nets are like, you know what, KD, you got us into this mess.
The last thing you want is to go to the Celtics and win a championship as another bus driver.
We're sending you to the fucking Celtics, my guy.
Have fun.
Have fun.
You made us keep this guy.
Have fun.
What do the Nets do now?
Like, how do they lose all their stars and have generally underwhelming seasons?
So now you.
Kyrie Irving.
You just restart.
You rebuild, but you've given the Rockets your draft picks through 2027.
Yeah.
Because you did that for James Harden.
They mortgaged their future into six fucking draft picks for Kyrie.
They got one first-round pick and two second-round picks, which is not much.
Yeah.
You're still in the hole heavy.
You're still when you're bad because you're not going to be good for a while.
You're hoping the Mavericks are bad because you get their picks.
And then the Celtics are not going to be bad.
You're going to get their picks.
And you're giving up really good picks in the meantime.
Think how annoying Kyrie is that the owner was like, I don't give a fuck how long we're bad.
Get him out of here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fuck.
Yeah, that's kind of wild.
And why did he request a trade specifically?
Do we know?
Just enter politics.
They weren't going to pay him.
Oh, that's right.
He was working on a contract extension and then he didn't want to do it.
He said, he claims, even if they were, he would still want to trade.
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Oh, but it was like, come on.
Nah, nah, nah, nah.
Kyrie's a problem.
But just like, you know, this is sports.
It's, you know, you have a rare ability.
People keep on giving you chances.
Like, how many chances did fucking Antonio Brown get?
Yeah, that's true.
You know, that's true.
That's my only hope: the Mavericks can trade him before everybody realizes this guy burns down every freaking.
Yeah.
Okay, what do we got?
Let's do one more thing and get out of here.
All right, you saw his viral video, his comic falling off stage.
How many people sent you this video?
It was an unbelievable amount of people.
I mean, unreal.
Okay, if anyone hasn't seen it, here you go.
I've been having a lot of sexual escapades as of late, you know, like having a little adventures with some freaky Chicago girls.
And I've come to the realization, I've been talking to one, that I don't think pegging is necessarily that gay.
I was a god right there.
Alex you wild.
I was his god right there.
So the Christian guy.
So it's a guy on stage at the Laugh Factory in Chicago.
And he's walking along the stage doing a set.
And then he says, I've come to the realization that pegging is not necessarily that gay.
And the second he says it, he falls off the stage and then stumbles to get up.
Nobody reacts at all.
It's a dead silent when he falls.
And it's just the most awkward fucking video you've ever seen.
What do you do?
You finish that joke?
Yeah, you got to.
Just do it from the ground.
I think you just lay there and you finish it.
Just from the house.
I need to see the rest of the video.
I know.
I wish they put the video.
I don't want to be a hater.
I kind of think, I kind of think staged.
Really?
It's very funny.
It doesn't change how funny it is to me.
And I hope there's another angle that shows people, but like the fact there's no one there, no one responds.
You don't even hear anything in the mic.
You know what I kind of think?
I kind of think it was just an open mic.
Maybe, yeah.
And then that's where he fell.
Now, he commented on whatever the clip I saw, he said something like, This guy must be hilarious.
You should check out more of his videos, which seems like it seems like he took an L and then he was like, Yo, we should put this out.
This is I think it was organic.
And then he was just Laugh Actory being like, let's put this out.
I think he was like, please put that out.
Yeah, of course.
Kudos to him for laughing at himself.
They subtitled the clip of him falling.
Like, they said it to an editor that was like, yeah, spell it, paste it out, right?
Like, there's production put into it.
But it is very funny.
But nah, that kills it for me if you think he fell on purpose.
I don't know.
I don't believe he did.
I just think he saw what it was after and was like, I have to put this out.
I don't know if he thought it'd be this big.
That shit is hilarious.
Did he film it or does Laugh Factory film all setups?
I laughed sets.
So I think they were just filming.
Yeah, it's incredibly funny.
Yeah, I mean, it's just fucking unbelievable.
Thank God they film all the sets.
I don't know.
You'd expect some reaction from the crowd or something.
I don't know.
Maybe it just didn't pick up in the mic.
I don't know.
I think it's an open mic where there's very few people there.
But why?
Is the mic not even on?
No, it is.
I just figured you'd hear the audience through the mic.
Well, when he falls, you hear the mic clunk.
So if it's staged, you'd have had to tell them, hey, go turn on the mic.
Yeah.
And I'm going to go fall.
So I do think it meant it wasn't supposed to happen.
It was real.
But I think when he saw it, he was like, this is hilarious.
And I, again, kudos to him for being like, let's laugh at me.
Yeah.
Because I'd never, I'm way too insecure to put that shit out.
Really?
I'm insecure to say the first line.
I'm not even saying the joke.
Peggy isn't that gay.
No, I'm not saying that.
Yeah, that's not a joke.
Yeah, that's not a joke.
That's a single week.
Yeah, but that's just a story.
That's not gay.
Not gay is gayer than saying you're gay.
Saying pegging's not that gay is way gayer than being like, I'm gay.
I'm not waiting for Peggy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shit.
I mean, is pegging that gay, though?
Yeah.
Yeah.
What if it's not a strap on?
What if it's just an insertion?
I don't even know what that means.
Doesn't your book say no sodomy or whatever the fuck that shit is?
Says you can't lay with another man, but that doesn't say anything about your girl smashing you with a giant dildo.
Oh, I thought they say no, but fucking.
Nah, they just say you can't lay with a man.
You can't lay with a man the way you lay with a woman.
Well, what if Sodom and Gomorrah?
They got burned to crisp and that's dudes.
That's my point.
Okay.
It can't be dude on dude, but if it's a girl banging you with a giant penis, that's fine.
Oh, it's a town of all dudes.
Why didn't God just send some hoes up in there?
See what happens?
Yeah, no.
Before he decides to burn it all down.
That's on him.
You got to take that up with him.
I had nothing to do with that.
Hell, why make the town like that?
It seems like he's asking for it.
Yeah, right?
A little bit.
Send him up to film.
Yeah.
I thought God was against like ass fucking like guy girl ass fucking stuff.
Yeah, sodomy is against the law.
Yeah, yeah, second clip.
I don't know.
That is it.
Is it in the Bible?
This guy doesn't know.
Yo, where's Shifty?
Somebody who actually knows this shit.
Imagine the people of like the town of Sodom finding out the Adam and Eve story.
And they're like, all it takes is a rib.
I've been putting fucking gym for the last three years.
I could have been making bitches.
Is that what they said?
Like, that is crazy.
Of course, they didn't read the Bible.
That's really their sin.
If it was the Bible, they would know.
They would know.
They got girls locked in.
Right?
You got a woman inside of you.
They're trans in the first place, really.
If you think about it, damn, man.
Well, anyway, listen, whatever your name is, man.
Yeah, I don't know.
Keep on doing it.
Give him a shout out.
We got to find out his name.
What's his name?
I don't see his name.
Malcolm in the middle.
Hey, tell Malcolm in the middle.
Keep on that.
I want to see the whole joke.
We need Malcolm to send us the whole joke.
Please send us a joke.
And then the gym saga has escalated.
I don't know if you've seen this.
We talked about this a little bit.
So, like, more and more people are addressing girls filming in the gym and catching guys creeping on them and then posting the guys creeping.
I guess as a way to retaliate against years of guys being creeps in the gym without any justice, right?
And so now, but then people are calling it out being like, just because a guy walked past you doesn't mean that he's checking you out.
Shout out to Joey's full, dude.
He'd be checking these hoes.
Yeah, exactly.
So then this video went viral where basically it's a girl doing a squat, right?
And she's filming.
And then she gets to the bottom of the squat and she gets a little bit stuck.
So yeah, she should have stopped at that rep right there.
Solid rep. That was me with Dove on my back.
It's like, uh-oh.
Can't she just throw that shit back?
Yeah.
Yeah, just drop it.
Yeah, I think technically she can.
I don't know why she didn't.
Let it go.
See, this is what happens.
My knee would have been exploded, bro.
This is hard to lie.
This is athletic.
Honestly, they speed up the video because she's sitting there that long.
This should be its own workout, really.
Yeah, it is impressive.
This is its own exercise.
Yeah, silent treatment.
And then eventually this girl comes and helps her out.
Oh, she just didn't want the embarrassment of dropping the weight.
I guess, but like, the real best ending of this video is if they just turn the lights off and just close the gym and she's like, hello?
Anyone?
But yeah, people are saying, oh, this is a case of like, be careful what you wish for.
I don't know.
I'm also like, I just feel like if any guy was there, I can't imagine a guy saw that and was like, I think she says, excuse me to a guy at some point.
He's got his headphones in.
He's not paying attention.
Yeah, we don't look at women in the gym, bro.
No, we do, but.
Nah, we don't.
No, we do.
But like, we do.
We look at people in the gym.
Okay.
Especially a woman at the bottom of a squat.
Let's be honest about this.
You're not looking at that.
You know the thing that's crazy?
Like, when we see influencers in the wild, we're looking at them because it looks like influencer.
You said it like influenza.
Shut the fuck up.
Like, we look at them because they're doing something.
We see the tripod.
Like, it's just curiosity.
So when you see a girl at the gym with a fucking tripod, and you're like, you can actually just be curious.
You might not just be trying to look at her because what she's doing.
And so that was good.
Yeah, you see?
They're just curious.
That was good.
Just curious.
Yes.
Yes.
I'm just a content creator.
Yeah.
Looking at another content.
This is like when a bear goes up to a camper and he's like sniffing the tent and every animal expert's like, oh, he's just curious.
He's not hurting.
He's just sniffing.
He's genuine.
He's fucking biting on the glass to him.
He's just curious.
He just wants to know what's going on.
He's fishy.
He's just genuinely curious.
Yeah.
We're all curious.
We just want to know.
They're curious too.
They're looking at us.
In the footage.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I'm just.
What's wrong with looking, bro?
You can't even look no more.
You can't leer.
You can look, you can't leer.
What is leer?
Staring in a fucking creepy way.
How long is that?
Yeah, what's the time frame?
Yo, just give us a time frame and then five go over it.
Five seconds.
Well, you can test it.
Yes, you can test it out.
That's what I'm saying, but that's what creeps do.
Here.
Three seconds.
I was going to say, maybe that's too short.
Look, it's just this.
It's one, two, and then done.
Two seconds to do.
Stir me.
Stare at me.
I'm just second and a half.
That was long.
I feel like I was fucked with that timer.
But yeah.
You got a second and a half.
I think it also depends on the person.
Yeah.
I think for you, it's a second and a half.
I'll be honest.
For Indians, it's probably shorter.
We've done that to ourselves.
It's slightly longer.
We've done that to ourselves.
I got to be honest.
That's on us.
That's 100%.
I think depending on where you are, I think there's different people you can stare for longer.
Yeah, black people, we don't get as much time as whites.
You don't think so?
We do a little bit more.
You think whites?
We don't have the best rep. I guess that's a good point.
Son, Excuse Me Miss, was a hit song all about street harassment.
That's true.
We just want to see them smile.
That's it.
Alex stopped staring at people after Bernie Matt.
Yes.
Stop staring and smiling.
Now he just hugs them.
Yes.
Staring at strangers all over the city.
Full-on physical assault.
There's a little weirdly funny about a girl filming herself for Instagram.
Like, you can't stare at me at the gym, but you are allowed to stare at that exact same video on Instagram.
That's a great point.
Obviously, there's two different things, but it is funny to me that someone's like.
They just don't want to know.
I like that song.
I don't want to know.
One person can't stare.
If you're creeping, please don't let it show.
Yeah, exactly.
That's such a good point.
It is kind of funny.
Millions of people.
You're shooting this content at a gym for millions of people to cock at you.
Yeah.
And I do get the frustration.
It's like this is their version of getting justice when there was no recourse for years or whatever.
But it is funny.
It's like, I got a ring light and I'm filming my ass at the gym.
Yeah, but how often did like stares turn into like you didn't pay for drinks that night?
Wait, what?
Like, there's a good side of getting stared at.
I see it.
Interesting talent.
The positive side is you stare and then you get drinks.
Okay.
Right?
You have a family maybe one day.
What if they're at the gym, though?
Say again?
What you paying for at the gym?
Yeah, it's a protein shake.
I guess you're smoothie kids.
That one girl needs a little protein shake.
Maybe she should have accepted some stairs.
This is from the trainer in the corner.
Exactly.
No, I don't know.
I'm just trying to say, like, there has to be some level of engagement.
We have to allow some level of engagement.
If you don't want someone to talk to you, okay, that's fine.
But there's a difference between inconvenience and harassment.
We need Texas Day Brazil, like Brazilian steakhouse cards.
What is that?
Oh, the green light, red light, green light.
Exactly.
Yeah, but the red light, green light is depending on who you are.
So you can't even do that.
It's like you just, listen, in order for your man that you fucking love and you're going to have children with and have a family with, in order for them to approach you, you're going to need to get approached by a bunch of motherfuckers.
They ain't shit.
That's just the name of the game.
And if nobody approaches you, guys had to get a lot of women who ain't shit to meet the one.
Of course.
This is how the world goes around.
Hell yeah.
We don't bitch about it.
All these girls I had to dick down for years before I found a love of my life.
How about you struggle?
You know how many girls I had to fuck that I didn't love?
Yeah.
You know how many loveless dickens I done give him, bro?
I mean, wasted.
Unsweet cock sucks?
What a waste.
Too many pumps, man.
Too many pumps.
What a waste.
You don't know how many pumps I wasted, bro.
You know how many good boners I wasted?
My man only gets about 7,000 good boners in his life.
Why would they talk about that?
Oh, they talk about all three.
Yeah.
Come on, bro.
Come on, bro.
You said a lot of sperm.
We can use that sperm now.
Now, sperm you keep making, but hard dick goes away.
I'm saying the good sperm, though.
That dick looks like one of our trees, bro.
Well, these are fake.
Satan.
I'm just saying, this is, listen, this is the name of the game.
What's the name of the game?
You wake up with a boner now and you're like, oh, shit.
No, how about that?
No.
No.
You never said ever have a boner.
No.
Hey, no.
One time I go on a Thursday, you wake up with a boner, you're like, oh, sick.
If I wake up with a boner, I'm like, who's raping?
Somebody's sucking my dick in my sleep or something like that.
What happens?
It's like Jamanje, what is it?
Where am I?
That's what I think.
I think I'm dreaming.
I woke up and I'd be like, am I still having a dream right now?
Dick is in my pants.
No.
What the heck is this?
Who put a dick right here?
What the hell is happening?
For sure.
I don't know.
Come on.
You don't even recognize your own dick?
That's crazy.
That's honestly scary, dude.
No.
I don't know.
Every time I talk to, like, every time I talk to what they don't seem that concerned about this.
Are guys annoying?
Sure.
Can guys be creepy?
Sure.
100%.
Especially if it's fucking late at night.
You're walking alone.
But like in a public place, a guy coming to hit on you.
Man, most girls don't seem.
Matter of fact, most like hot girls complain that it doesn't happen enough.
I hear that a lot from women.
So ugly.
Do you know what I'm saying?
All these girls are like, oh, it's so difficult.
It's like, well, well, most beautiful women that you speak to be like, guys never hit on me.
Yeah.
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Y'all look too attainable, is the problem.
Maybe that's why they're upset because they're looking at these guys hitting on them like, why do you think you could get me?
Oh, so it's an ego hit and they're blaming it on harassment.
But in reality, they're upset that a guy that they thought they were too good for is hitting on.
Why do you think you could have me?
Well, because you can't bench 125.
Or twat, or whatever that was.
You know what I mean?
Bench 125.
I don't want to lift.
25s.
125 kind of heavy, right?
It's kind of.
That's 245s.
He like womb.
No, 135.
135.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I got that one.
I'll throw that shit up.
I don't think you do.
Nah, I got that.
I don't think you do.
For one.
He doesn't bench.
He could do it.
No, I could do that one.
But you got long arms a problem.
Yeah, long arms make that shit difficult.
Also, being weak.
Yeah, that's what makes that shit done.
I did it twice.
I did it twice, 135.
Really, you did?
Yeah, not now.
There's no way I could do it.
I believe you could throw it up.
No, 135 is not that bad.
I would rep with 135.
Yeah, but you don't do it now.
Like, that's like muscle that you have to continue working.
No, I bet you.
You never keep that strength.
You keep that.
Oh, you do, bench.
Oh, everyone's going to be.
That's what you're only cardio.
But, but, yeah, the most I ever did, what's the most you ever benched?
Um, 215 is my guess.
I think 225.
No, you've done more than that.
You can do more than that, right?
You could do more than that.
I would think you could do more than that.
That's two plates each side.
How much is three plates?
I didn't, I like struggling.
But my friend was like, that's like spotting, but I did.
Three plates each side?
That's 315.
Yeah, it's like 315.
Yeah, so then that was.
That's crazy.
That's very different than 225.
That's way different than extremely fucking ad hoc.
That's a human body, bro.
That's a whole human.
That's a defensive line.
That's not a human body.
That's not a human body.
That's an offensive line.
He cut out 100 pounds.
That's a person.
Oh, yeah.
That's insane.
Yeah.
What's wrong with you?
That's a math wrong.
That's like an e, that's ego math.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I don't really do plates.
I like free weights.
What do you do with the dumbbells?
Dumbbells, right now I'm up to like 70s, but I've been, I used to be like hundreds.
Whoa.
Yeah, that's wild.
Yeah.
I mean, remember when we met Al, that man was doing push-ups with his dick out on IG all the time?
That's why I need to wear fucking tights just to keep it to control the dick.
Yeah.
Not high.
Set the fly.
We'll get you some tights.
Anyway, y'all, listen, thank you guys so much for watching.