Hasan Piker and Andrew Schulz dissect Piker's impromptu interview with Andrew Tate, which targeted the promotion of Hustlers University to minors and resulted in Tate's content removal. They debate socialism versus wealth, critique Elon Musk's reliance on subsidies, and analyze how 401k privatization concentrates top 10% wealth while driving the "great resignation." The conversation concludes by contrasting American corporate exploitation with China's authoritarian stability, arguing that true worker autonomy requires unionization against monopolies like Amazon and visible corporate-government collusion. [Automatically generated summary]
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Andrew Tate's Content Removal00:05:07
A lot of people have credited you for Andrew Tate choosing to remove all of his content from social media.
Really break that down.
He was on this other 17-year-old Fortnite stream because he was doing the rounds.
He went to like Aiden Ross.
He went to Clix's stream.
He's like going up against these 20-year-old kids and just basically farming their audience of like dummies.
So all these like 12, 13 year olds were like, oh, I want Fortnite.
Oh, this Andrew Tate guy, he seems so cool.
He's got a Bugai.
And basically, he was getting all of them involved and invested in this thing he called Hustlers University, the MLM scheme.
And I saw that and I was pissed off about it.
I was like, what the fuck are you guys giving this guy free promo?
He was doing that.
And then that dude's manager, Clix's manager, is a fan of mine.
And he hit me up on the DMs.
He was like, bro, you want to come on the stream?
I was like, yeah, I want to do this.
I want to talk to this motherfucker.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to Flagrant.
And today we are joined by none other than the streaming world's.
I don't want to say, I don't want to say king because you hate the monarchy.
I do hate the monarchy.
So then what do we call you?
Like democratically elected, democratically elected president of a socialist country?
The prime minister?
The prime minister.
Supreme Leader.
Whoa.
We're getting very Turkish, very fast.
I know.
We're here with Hassanabi.
Okay, before we start, I need to know something.
This is very important to me, and it's going to dictate how the rest of this podcast goes.
Fenarbache or Galata Sarai?
I grew up hating football.
What?
Which is like the worst thing.
But the reason why I hated it is because everyone loved it so much.
And I felt like I was faking it the entire time because I was into nerdy shit.
But my family's Fenadbacha, so I'm a Fenabacha fan.
Wow.
Wow.
Did that fuck you?
Bro, come on.
These guys are dying.
Jim Bomb for life, bro.
Oh, my God.
Come on, boy.
Why do you know that?
Because I'm a huge fan of Turkish football, obviously.
That is so weird.
Also, he's Nardwars.
I knew you were going to be Fenarbachi, dude.
Yeah, that is some Nardoir shit.
Fuck, that was weird.
We got to start the pod right.
Okay, so we're here.
Listen, I've done some like deep journalism on you.
Like some real deep research.
And you're a journalist.
I'm a journalist.
Hard data.
I know that.
Okay.
That's why I came here.
Exactly.
Because you won serious interviews with me.
One time you were quoted saying that you support, I believe, communism because it makes better prostitutes or hotter prostitutes.
Interesting.
What?
I was like, what a great connection.
That's a brilliant.
It's true.
Do you agree?
I agree.
I was like, this guy's fucking on it.
You should just stand up.
That's fantastic.
You know what's really funny is you talk so much every day that I could just say you said something.
You'd be like, fuck, did I?
You didn't say that.
I just want to talk.
No, no, I know I didn't say that.
But I do talk for a very long time.
And then, like, because remember old school, like, Joe Rogan?
Yeah.
Because he'd do three hours, right?
So you'd be like, oh, people are always like clipping me out of context and stuff.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
Motherfucker, I talk for eight hours a day, try that shit live too with like people, you know, prodding at you all the time to get you to like slip up and say some dumb shit.
Yeah, which I say all the time because I'm a dumbass.
You said that they're like poking the, what'd you call it?
They're like poking, not the screen.
Oh, I said tapping the glass.
Tapping the glass.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm a zoo animal.
Yeah.
But I mean, it's true.
So like, you know, I do, I do have some very clippable moments already.
You know what I mean?
You don't have to, you don't have to go too far into the journalism sphere to figure out what I've said that's controversial.
You know what?
I'm feeling the nicotine hit my brain already.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're supposed to pack it after you chew it.
Oh, really?
Yeah, you shoot it a bunch.
So now you're going to pack it like a like a snuff.
Oh, I just swallowed it.
That shit's been hurting my throat and shit.
Wait, you swallowed the gum.
You swallowed it?
Yeah.
You're going to get tummy cancer.
No shot.
You swallow it.
What the fuck?
Yeah, don't swallow the nicotine gum.
You're going to be buzzing all day down.
Yeah.
It's reflexive for him to swallow.
It's like a thing.
So I used to be a big gum swallower when I was younger.
He's like, gum?
Gum.
Okay.
Yeah, no, not cum swallow.
That came later.
That was a later experience.
Once you left Turkey, you're like, yeah, now I can do it.
Okay, now, rumor has it, you might have been born in Turkey.
Guys, I'm a journalist.
I'm in Jersey.
This wasn't a gotcha show.
Is it?
What the fuck?
Some people say New Jersey, but there's rumors on the internet saying that you were actually born.
I'm a U.S. citizen, baby.
But, but, but that doesn't mean you weren't born or was that achieved before?
I don't think you think America would let some fucking dude be like, yeah, I actually was born here if I wasn't actually born here.
You could be elected president doing that from what I understand.
Yeah, me and Obama come from the same lineage, actually.
Wow.
I guess also Muslim.
I'm Muslim too.
There you go, the Saints.
That's what we do.
We're trying to expand the caliphate over here.
We're trying to get Zev on board as well.
Exactly.
I'm fifth column style infiltration.
We brought Boris Johnson into the UK.
Many people might not know.
Boris Johnson's Turkish.
That's right.
American Citizenship and Lineage00:07:51
That's our guy.
And he came in and he fucked it all up, but he was too good.
He was too good for the Brits.
And then they couldn't handle it.
So they just fucking canceled this ass, dude.
Woke culture came for Boris.
No, I heard that in order to throw the scent off of the spy trail, when you came to America and you went to university.
Yeah.
Well, originally you were at where?
University of.
I went to University of Miami and then Rutgers.
Then Rutgers, yes.
To be around more Browns.
Geez up.
Let's go.
Right?
You want to be closer to the Browns.
I heard you joined a Greek fraternity.
I was in a fry, yes.
But now, how did the Turkish family feel about that?
They didn't give a fuck.
They were already gotcha.
Gotcha.
Gotcha journalists.
Because they're Greek.
I didn't even put two and two together.
Oh, forgot where he came from.
That's how not racist I am.
I see no color.
I don't even see empires.
1453, best year of my life.
Greatest moment.
600 years ago.
Greatest moment in Turkish history, baby.
Wait, what happened in 1453?
Dude, what do you mean?
Columbus sailed the ocean.
The conqueror fucking took the boats, okay?
Took the boats off of the water, put them on land, and like literally rode them through these like oiled up fucking logs and dropped them directly into the golden horn, I guess, away from the main chain that had stopped every naval ship prior from entering into the Bosphorus and then obliterated the remainder of the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire.
Holy shit.
Turning Constantinople to Istanbul.
And how did they lubricate the ships?
I don't fucking know.
They just like they greased it up.
Olive oil, maybe?
I don't fucking know.
I always heard it was Armenian armpit sweat.
I am not saying that much of Christian.
I be hearsay, okay?
That is what I heard.
That's many years prior to the other stuff that they did to the Armenians.
So was the Turkish Empire or the Ottoman Empire?
Ottoman Empire, yeah.
One of the greatest empires that nobody talks about?
I mean, they used to talk about it all the time.
Why'd they stop, dude?
Yeah, the PR guy.
Because it's over, you know what I mean?
We still hear about the Greek, about the Roman.
Because those are Western, you know what I mean?
I mean, you don't hear about the fucking Chinese empires either.
Like out here.
I mean, you barely do, though.
You don't hear about Genghis Khan like that.
Yeah, you don't hear about Genghis Khan.
You don't hear about the Chinese empires.
You don't hear about the Indian empires either.
Like, you don't hear about any of that shit in the West.
Was there an Indian empire?
Yeah.
Was there an Indian Empire?
Mughal Empire.
It wasn't like just nobody wanted to be around you guys.
Did you actually take over things or was it?
Yeah.
We took shit over, though.
We took shit over.
Yeah, what'd you guys take over?
Yeah.
The workforce right now.
You know what I mean?
No, no, but I'm saying back in the day, like, what was your, like, did you have a military?
India, bro.
It's pretty big.
Are you an empire until you conquer people who don't look like you?
Oh, interesting.
I mean, Turks definitely did that.
That's an Ottoman.
Everywhere.
Vikings.
That's the thing, though.
Like, that's part of the reason why white people hate that shit.
They fucking, they'll bring that up so much.
People were their slaves, right?
Yeah.
They're like, oh, you guys enslaved white people.
It's like, yeah, they did.
White people, we like to hold on to our slavery.
Yeah.
Like, if we spent a day as a slave.
Both sides.
Both?
What are you holding on?
What are you slavery?
Yeah.
They love preserving that.
Sometimes they do it hate.
Yeah.
That sort of thing.
How can we help?
How can me as an ally?
How can me as an ally help non-whites do better PR for their empires?
Yeah.
I mean, it's not gonna, it's not gonna happen.
Like nobody, nobody wants to hype up.
Nobody wants to hype up like the fucking other empires that conquered over like white people and shit.
The Jews love it because they thrived within the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East and Northern Africa.
That is true.
They're like, bring back the Ottomans.
They did.
Except for when Theodore Horse originally went to the Ottoman Empire to be like, yo, we want Israel.
Like, that'd be pretty sick if you gave us the Palestinian territory.
It's called Palestine.
Yeah, it was.
No, it was.
It's called Palestine.
What do you mean?
I know.
It's called Palestine.
Bro, you're hitting the ally points hard.
You're an ally, dude.
You're an ally.
Yeah.
It's the nicotine, bro.
That was not cool.
They did not fuck with that.
For the Jews on that front.
But other than that, yeah.
That's why the Jewish producers only wrote about the Roman Empire and all of that.
That's why you don't hear about these Ottomans.
I want to hear about, I want to hear more about the Ottoman Empire.
Call it what it is.
There is.
What is it?
Is Palestine.
No, but there is.
It is Palestine.
There is actually a really good documentary on Netflix like they did with Turkish actors and shit too.
What the fuck's it called?
They do like a recreation of it.
That was pretty good.
Level of the Spectrum or something.
Oh, I love that one.
That's really good, actually.
The furries.
It was like, I forget what the fuck it was called.
They are furries.
They are, bro.
You know what this is?
No, what?
This is the sign of the ultra-nationalist mehepe.
Okay.
Okay.
The MHP party.
And they are, they're ultra-nationalist, but like, there's like a pan-Turkic mythology that revolves around like wolves.
Like, we are, we are descendants of wolves, right?
So it's like these Turanis guys, these like pan-Turkic mythology, you know, understanders and lovers will throw this up as a sign to be like, yeah, this is like, it's like a Nazi salute, but for the ultra-nationalist, yeah, for the ultra-right.
Yeah.
Turks.
I could see you as like a woven people.
I was just thinking that.
Look at that.
Woven?
Like a Taylor Lautner type.
100%.
That's what I was.
That's how I see myself.
Yeah, yeah, really?
Yeah.
100%.
That's real furry shit, bro.
You just constantly go on, like, yeah, look at this.
That's the coolest hands.
Every time I do this, he's taking photos.
What the fuck is he doing?
Every time I do this, he's like, yeah, we got him.
I fucking got him.
This fucking idiot.
Yeah.
These Armenians are going to come beat your ass.
But like, the Nazi branding's got a little better.
Like, that thing is cool now.
You know what I mean?
Like, the wolf thing is cool.
I was thinking that when he said heritage, not hate.
And I was like, yo, the conservatives have the marketing.
That's just a nice little saying.
Heritage, not hate.
And then Black Lives Matter.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
The heritage is hate.
But you don't think about it.
Why is it always or?
Why not?
And you know what I mean?
That's what it is.
That's the thing.
But the marketing, and then Black Lives More, Black Lives Matter, and they're like, all lives matter.
And marketing-wise, you can't argue with that.
Pro-life.
They say that it's insane.
Yeah, they're such fucking good marketing.
You're literally the most anti-life motherfucker.
Like, they would be like, oh, so pro-life, and then sign off on an autistic black teenager that didn't even commit the crime dying.
Or you have to.
We have to do that.
Okay, okay.
Here's a premise from a brilliant YouTuber that I cannot say who it is, but this is an abortion premise that was said to us the other day, and I thought that was genius.
And I cannot.
You can buy a spectrum on Mollenhausen.
No, no, that's not me.
That's not me.
It's not me.
This is, is there a limit to abortions?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gay Identity and Military Service00:10:34
Like, if a girl has like 100, what?
Like, it's your body choice, but like 100.
What's your limit?
What's your limit?
What is your number?
First of all, if they want to do it, if they want to do it competitively, go off.
They're just like, is there a league?
Like, yeah, what are they doing?
They're just like getting nutted inside of non-stop.
Who the fuck has the time to do that?
Okay, what if they freeze their eggs so they can do it after they stop being a woman?
What is that called?
Menopause.
Oh, wow.
You're morally consistent on that.
You're like, yeah, my grandma, don't call her grandma anymore.
No, call her grand.
Grand.
Sorry, your eggs don't work.
And she's not even then grand.
She's just regular.
I mean, being able to birth the child makes you a woman.
And when that stops, you're a person.
Yeah.
You're an Envy.
Yeah, you're non-binary.
Which is weirdly gender abolitionist of everyone that says that because it's like if you're a teenager or if you haven't been able to, you know, if you haven't had your first period, you're not a woman, technically, which then you can, you know, play sports with everybody.
Yes, we are gender abolitionists.
That's I'm a gender abolitionist.
Is that good to be?
I mean, if, yeah.
Is that the most progressive?
Dude, I think so.
Dude, when has abolitionists been?
That's right.
I'm like Mark Twain out here, dude.
Yeah, dude.
I'm an abolitionist, Al.
You're welcome.
Why did you say?
Is that why did you?
Wait, why Al?
Why Alex?
Well, the abolitionists.
Why did you point out?
Al was born a woman.
No.
No, the original abolitionists in America.
What were they?
What were they abolishing?
They wanted to abolish the really hard-working guys that love to work all the time.
Oh, that's why you're funny.
Yeah, They were like, they wanted to abolish the free market.
The literal free market.
Yeah, it's kind of bad.
That's the nanny state again.
Dude, what is that about, bro?
Abraham, dude.
He was, he was just, he didn't like it.
He was jealous.
Also, Turkish.
I don't know about that one.
Abraham Lincoln?
Ibrahim is the Turkish name.
Ibrahim Lincoln.
It was bisexual, though.
Duh.
What do you mean?
Of course he's bisexual, bro.
No, no, no.
You had a top hat.
I don't know.
He literally has the top hat.
I don't know if it was a top or bottom, but like there is there are a lot of accounts of him like leaving his wife behind.
She was a looney bitch.
Yeah, I mean she was a loony bench.
You wouldn't leave her?
Beard.
Mentally illness.
Beard.
Oh, he literally had a beard, dog.
And yeah, and his wife was a beard.
And I say bye to be like politically crap, but I think it was just like gay.
There's rumors for you.
And he gave good head.
And he.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, buddy.
I don't know about that, but all I'm saying is, explain the joke.
Don't let me explain it.
It went over my head.
You guys have like a special or something?
Pretty funny.
Okay, why?
Why is he by?
There are accounts of him sleeping in the same room as his bodyguard with his bodyguard, which is fucking, it's like, okay, dude, you're gay then.
No, he's gay.
Like, because back then, yeah, no, yeah, he was so safe.
Where was that bodyguard?
Exactly.
Maybe they were having a little tiff.
They were fighting.
You can watch your play by yourself.
Yeah.
He likes musicals.
That's kind of good.
The bodyguard is furious.
He doesn't get to go.
The one thing they get to do together.
Yeah.
It's like, yeah, no, go with your bitch wife.
That takes you.
And then boom.
But I didn't realize he was gay.
Yeah, dude.
He was gay.
That makes me like him so much more.
There are people.
Yeah, if he was straight, he would have shot himself in the head at the theater.
Because back then, it was like shit.
You know, there was no, there was no, like, you were not like openly gay and shit.
You know what I mean?
So back then, you just did that.
You're like, oh, that's just a, that's just a handsome fellow that likes to sleep in the same room with his bodyguard.
Okay.
Now, you've spoken a lot about Turkish culture.
I have spoken a lot about it.
And how gay the straits are.
How gay the straits are?
Yes.
Turkish culture, very similar to like Latino culture, like Hispanic culture, is like super gay.
Don't bring them into it.
Al Puerto Rican.
Bro, bro.
Y'all are gay.
Y'all are gay.
Look how lined up your fucking beard is, bro.
Y'all are gay.
Y'all are gay.
This is so straight.
You probably got shaped up before you joined, before you got him on the podcast.
You're like, oh, no, it's not.
Yo, stop flaring with me, bro.
It's like, because like back in the day, we used to say, like, remember, because I'm 31, right?
Like, we used to say, like, metrosexual.
Like, that was the thing.
And, like, I feel like Turkish men do that and like Latino men do that from, you know, from the jump.
Like, they've been very metrosexual.
They like shape up their eyebrows and shit.
Yeah, yeah.
So, and, and there's a lot of like, you know, flamboyant things that Turkish men do too.
I mean, we kiss our homies, yeah, you know, but also very homophobic at the same time.
Yes, it's like, whoa, gay, well, hold up.
Yes.
However, historically speaking, the Ottoman Empire actually had no issues with homosexuality and some other stuff beyond homosexuality.
Like, what?
The same stuff that everybody was doing at the time.
Boy, button?
Yeah, Stavros talked about it when he was here.
Brilliant joke.
Shout out Stavros.
Yeah, that was a great one.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it was just the Greeks.
Turks never did that.
Anyway, but yeah, there was no like, there was no concept of like homosexuality as a bad thing.
You just like fucked your homies.
Yes.
And I think the bottoms of the body.
That's what we do.
That's basically like podcasts.
And the bottoms were good.
You're like Burning Man.
Which is what you guys.
Yeah.
Hey, don't share stuff.
No, okay.
I was going to tell you that off the bottom.
I didn't realize that was off-the-pod conversation.
Oh, yeah, I bad, whatever.
It's not a good comedy.
You're one of the boys now.
I can't wait for Burning Man, didn't you?
Bernie Man is just burning when I piss after what we did.
But there was no concept of homosexuality.
Bottoms, I think, were still considered gay, but tops were not.
Which is a cultural thing that extends to even contemporary Turkish culture.
But I'll get into that in a second.
As a matter of fact, Turkey was so, like, the Ottoman Empire was so open-minded about homosexuality, it was decriminalized, even though it was never illegal in the 18th century in the Tanzimat era.
So there's like posters and shit of like dudes butt fucking in a circle that you can find.
Like there's some crazy stuff out there.
And why do you think they were so open?
Everyone was.
That's the best way to get it.
The anti-the homophobic, the idea of like homophobia is, I would say, I think it's like a Christian invention.
It's a relatively new thing.
No, what?
What?
You got a big, big-time Catholic to your right.
Yeah, yeah.
Big guy.
No, because like, the same idea of, like we don't like prostitution and you know uh, we don't like uh, homosexuality and stuff like that was because women were just tired of their men not fucking them partially yeah, like they weren't binding.
They're having so much fun with everyone else.
Back in the day, you had to pop out like four kids, five kids only one of them is gonna make it and they're gonna make it to like 16 before they get their fucking head chopped off.
Yeah right, and you need workers in the farm, you need serfs yeah, and and servants.
And so they were like we gotta make make sure these motherfuckers, like you know, they stay together and they just like non-stop um, in order to combat, like depopulation, you know, like Elon Musk, and so uh, that was the idea because, like I guess you know, butt pussy was too good.
Yeah, he was just like why would I?
I mean, imagine your, your husband is his homie.
He never come hang out with you.
Yeah, what's the upside?
Yeah, less fun to hang out with.
He's still having sex.
Yeah exactly, you got to make that weird tight, tight butthole, you know?
Yeah dude, it's great for him now.
Was that one of the things that Autoturk used to like really rally the Turkish people.
Yeah boy, pussy for everybody.
Would be hard though like, there's a lot Turkey's pussy.
You got to get through it.
Delight bro.
Oh, by the way, this is actually funny though like because, like in Turkey, there's still this concept called a pink slip, because everyone has to, everyone has to serve in the military.
Every able-bodied male has served in the military, either after high school or after college, depending on you know, if you go to the college, you go to the officer's rank, which is like a little bit shorter.
If you study abroad or something, or if you work abroad overseas, you can do foreigner service, which is like super short, it's like 28 days uh, and there's always, like you know, financial compensation.
You can like pay your way out of it, which is what I did, um and uh.
So basically, one of the ways of like not having to serve is uh, either you're like too fat right, too fat to serve, because you'll literally die yeah, or or you have like a disability, like a medical disability like, or exactly, or if you're getting fucked in the ass, literally.
You think i'm kidding.
Like this is how Trump dodges the draft.
What if you're just being gay?
Is not enough.
If you're a top, they don't like that enough.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if Abraham was uh receiving or or delivering yeah, so Abraham like it if he's top, if he's top, if he's not verse, if he's just the top, he's not getting out of service.
Wow, because an ass is not considered medically gay, but getting in the ass is I tend to agree with that and it's less gay.
And this is like a thing like.
This is literally a thing where like, you have to get photos taken of you getting in the ass and then doctors look at it.
No, doctors have to look at it.
It's called a pink slip and and it was, it was a thing in existence.
This is all to avoid.
28 days in service.
You know, this is all to avoid.
I mean, what if four weeks of service?
What if you're just?
I mean, what if you're just gay?
Anyway, you're already getting might as well.
Now do you say that you got out of military service?
Yeah, on the internet.
No I uh, I I paid for it because like, every now and then there is uh, they call it off, it's like a pardon basically uh, where they'll say like, if you, you know, worked abroad yeah, and if you have a dual citizenship, like I do, then you can get away with not serving uh, or paying away your your 28 day service that you need to do.
And I actually wanted to go because I was like this is like camp.
You know what I mean.
I'll, i'll do 28 days.
I don't give a, i'll get, i'll get a pump in.
Royal Connections and Commoners00:13:01
You know what I mean?
Yeah, you're already pretty jacked, you.
Well, I thought it would be.
Yeah, I thought it would be good, like I thought it'd be good for you know, i'd be even more fit.
And my dad was like i'll disown you if you go.
If you go, he's like I didn't, your dad, that guy in Pennsylvania that the Erdogan hates no no, Yeah, Gulen, yeah, no, that guy sucks.
He's a CI asset, but oh, really?
No, yeah, 100%.
We can talk about that too.
But he literally said, like, I didn't spend this much money on you to fucking go and like die in a mountaintop somewhere, you fucking idiot.
Like, God, he's talking to you like he's an NFL owner.
Yeah, he was like, What do you mean?
Like, he spent all this money for you to go scan it.
He's like, 20, he's like, Yeah, 23, 24 years of like fucking spending money on you, or at least up to 18, all this education.
We're not going to put that the waste.
You're going to go, your big ass is going to pop out of the fucking trenches somewhere.
Boom, you're done.
Yeah, some Kurdish sniper is going to fucking dome you.
No shot.
So I was like, all right.
Listen, I really want to get your opinion on something.
I don't know if you know what's happened in England.
Are you familiar?
News story.
Prince Andrew had a big weekend.
I knew, I knew about that one.
Well, we did see that video.
We're going to talk about that, but Scotland got their payback on the queen.
I don't know if you heard about this.
Wait, really?
What happened?
They had someone who's Scottish doctors.
Did you know where the queen ended up dying?
Yeah, where'd she die?
What's the name of the castle?
It's the Scottish Castle.
Scott's her favorite in Aberdeen.
It's in Aberdeen.
Thank you.
Isn't that her favorite?
We made it nice and comfy for her.
Yeah.
And then when was right.
Are you Scottish?
Yeah, of course.
Classic, you know, New York white guy.
Yeah.
Oh, Balmoral Castle.
Yeah.
That's right.
That was her favorite castle.
Do you know what Balmoral means in Gaelic?
Oh, no.
Die.
That's what that means.
Dude, you say that, but Edinburgh, which is like the most clear.
The most like English adjacent part.
They were beating the asses of anyone that even said, like, fuck the queen.
No.
Because while the funeral proceedings were happening yesterday, they and they like march her fucking casket through everywhere, which is crazy.
Yeah.
So much is crazy about the entire British kingdom, but the fucking weird outfits and shit.
But anyway, we can talk about the Ottoman Empire outfits.
I mean, the Ottoman Empire's daddy 400 years.
No, that shit was crazy too, but at least it's like flowy.
You know what I mean?
He lost dress of sweat.
Yeah, she was flowy.
But yeah, also, they don't wear it now.
They don't have like the royal guard in Turkey dressed up like that.
I'd be like, dude, what are you doing?
It's just this.
What is the Vatican police wear like that outfit?
Those cut off.
Insane.
Cut off.
They are dripped up.
You could probably see that down the street in fucking Nolita.
Some dude dressed like that.
Scrabbing a cold brew, whatever.
Okay, so you were saying they're bringing the body through.
So they're bringing the body through, and like some people are like, some people held up signs that said, I think not my monarch or whatever, like end the monarchy.
And the cops would just arrest them.
No.
They did.
They literally, like, there was one kid who said something like, fuck the queen or fuck the king or something.
And this like gammon fucking summer ham looking Scottish dude was like, oh fuck you like beating the shit out of this like teenager and then the cops like separate them and immediately arrest the teenager.
Wow.
What cops?
Not a real Scott.
Not a real Scotch.
So not a real Scottish of Scotland.
That's not a real Scottish.
I think that's the most so insanely cucked.
No, no, no, no.
I fucking despise that shit.
What?
The Scottish?
No, I love the Scottish.
Thank you.
That's what I'm saying.
I love the Scottish and I love the Irish.
Thank you.
But I fucking have so much disdain in my heart for a motherfucker who's like, yeah, no, I love the monarchy.
It's like, bro, what do you mean?
They cucked you.
Yeah.
India did.
Yeah.
Are you a big monarchy?
Yeah, he fucking loves the monarch.
You don't speak English, loser.
If I was you, I wouldn't speak English.
I would just refuse, dude.
What was your language before English?
Do you even know?
Oh, yeah.
Do you even know?
German?
Do you speak that?
Yeah?
Do you?
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Only when he's yelling at Death.
Only when he's mad at you.
No, no, I should stop speaking English too.
Okay.
But dude, the worst is when Americans are like, oh, how dare you disrespect the queen?
What the fuck's wrong with you?
I don't get this.
1776, motherfucker, what is this?
Yeah, Herod is not hate.
What is this?
It's the one time where I was like, yeah, I feel American right now.
Like, fuck the queen.
Can I be honest?
I don't get strong feelings either way.
Like, a 96-year-old woman, she died.
Okay.
Exactly.
That's what happened.
It's not like they fucking hit she didn't die.
Yeah.
No, exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
It's like, she won, bro.
She won.
Yeah.
She did.
Oh, that's a good thing.
No, she won.
She lived to 96.
She lived a wonderful life.
She like, you know, took money from the poverty funds or whatever the fuck.
You know what I mean?
She did whatever the fuck she wanted and then sprinkled a little bit of your money on like a couple charities.
So everyone was like, oh my God, she's such a wonderful generous.
She won.
Yeah.
She used a little bit to kill Diana.
Yeah.
Did she really kill Diana, allegedly?
I think so.
Why?
She was the conspiracy is that she was fucking around with an arms dealer.
A brown boy was a brown boy.
Donny Alfayed.
Oh, he was Muslim.
Yeah, you can't connect with that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What guy?
Was he a debtor?
Or a casino or whatever?
No, Herod.
The department store.
That's like the department store in the casino.
Oh, Haraz.
Harris.
Harris.
Haraz.
I just got flashbacks to AC.
Oh, God.
I don't go to Haraz and gamble it up with the boys every once in a while, though.
This is sure.
That's based on a Jewish ruler, Herod.
It's a different one.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, King Herod.
Yeah.
Oh, shut up.
I know King Herod.
Herod's Temple?
Yes.
Yeah.
So you never visited Herod's Temple when you were in Israel, dude?
No, I didn't.
I missed that one.
You seriously?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, it's fire, dude.
You got to go.
How is it?
How was it?
I mean, it's modest.
Oh, yeah.
It's definitely modest.
It's one of the more modest things.
I mean, the stonework.
Yeah.
A lot of limestone and just like a sick pergola in the back for taking in a breeze on the nice summer day.
Anyway, back to what you were saying.
Now, if you're the them, though, don't you, if you're the monarchy, don't you gotta kill Princess Diana?
She left your husband.
Everybody loved her.
I remember there's a story where she like saved kids that were drowning.
She like fucking jumped in the water to save them.
She also was like talking about AIDS at a time when like everyone was like, nah, it's the gay thing.
Don't fuck this up.
They're killing all the gays.
Like it's good.
Landmines.
That was a big thing.
What'd she do with them?
She had moved.
She planned to have it.
She planned to lunch.
Yeah.
Wow.
She's like a comedy knock on her record.
She was like, we should take all the landmines and put them in Ireland.
That's a good place to start all the landmines.
We're having fun.
It's pretty fun.
So she broke up with her man.
I didn't know this.
Well, they got divorced.
They both cheated on one another.
I heard she was getting rinsed.
Which is crazy.
Like five different dudes were just nutting in that thing.
That's what I did here.
You are going to get canceled down.
I did hear that.
And they actually speak to her, but she was just getting divorced.
You know what's wild?
You know what's wild, though?
Like, Princess Diana, like, they didn't like her because she was like the commoner's princess, right?
And she wasn't like noble enough, like high-ranking enough, which means like she just wasn't literally from a distant cousin.
She wasn't inbred enough.
Yeah, she was not inbred enough.
Yeah.
And it showed.
She was hot.
She was hot.
She could get it.
Oh, my God.
And she was getting it, bro.
Yeah, and she was.
You could have taken that down for sure.
She would have been in the UFOs.
She would have liked that.
I would have loved that.
She would have loved me.
I liked that, dude.
I would have been so on with that.
And you could go raw on that thing too, man.
Oh, absolutely.
Wait, yeah, I'm winning in that one.
It's like, yeah, sit down, Boris.
I'll take it from here.
Yeah, no, a little baby trap, Princess Diana, dude.
That's great.
But basically, what I found out is if you look up Princess Diana's summer, I mean, a childhood home, you will realize, like, oh, fuck, she's not a commoner at all.
She was literally like multiple generations of royalty as well, just not as royal as the royal family.
So she's still, what is it?
She was fucking caked up.
Yeah.
She was like, I think her dad was like a noble.
Wow.
But not high enough.
And I never knew that.
And then I looked it up and her summer home or her childhood home in England is like, is a fucking gigantic castle.
Son, I thought she was like a teacher or some shit.
Yes, dude.
They fucking make it seem like, oh, yeah, you're not, you're not a part of like, you're not a descendant of like the Spanish king.
So that means you're fucking commoner.
Meanwhile, the commoner's living in a chateau.
Wow.
Yeah.
Here's a question.
I felt a little duped by that.
Is anyone in the royal family even English?
No.
Isn't that crazy?
Like, Elizabeth was like German, I think.
Germany.
And then her husband was Greek and German.
England's run by a bunch of...
They're all, bro, they're all like this.
Like, the thing is, first of all, Elizabeth literally got dicked down by her cousin.
For those of you who don't know, like, Prince Edward, right?
That's his name, I think.
He is her cousin.
They met when like...
First cousin?
Yeah.
No, third cousin.
However, no, no, no.
Come on, come on.
Let me be reasonable.
Third cousin, no medical.
No, come on, bro.
Third cousin for normal people makes sense.
Right.
Right.
Super on board with cousin fucking.
Yes.
You know, let me just come right out and say third cousin for royals.
Yeah.
Because of so much inbreeding for centuries, third cousin for royals is literally like fucking, you know, father-daughter type shit.
Like they are so intertwined with one another that even if you're a third cousin, like you're still going to have some genetic disabilities and medical conditions like the sausage fingers that the current king has.
Y'all see it.
Yeah, y'all tight, bro.
You can't even fucking write normally.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's weird.
Yeah, he looks like everything, everywhere, everything at once or whatever.
That's fucking the hot dog hands.
Yeah, he's hot dog.
Alternate reality.
So now, okay, wow.
Okay, so then he becomes king for a short time.
Yeah, he's probably going to fucking, he's not going to survive that.
I don't think his blood pressure is way too high, bro.
I mean, yeah, look at them fucking hands.
That's got to be.
Yeah.
He's still committed to the ring, though.
I kind of like that.
I think he just is crazy to me.
I know.
I can't even take that off.
Yeah, I think it's just stuck in his hand.
His hands are floating away and he's got a ring on it still.
It's the best.
It's like blowing up from both angles.
It's like there's more on this side and on this side.
It's like so committed.
You can't even pry that.
He's like jaws of life, but like a tiny one.
What is the argument for British people who do love the monarchy?
What would people say?
What would they say?
If there was an argument?
Because I'm genuinely curious.
I don't understand the connection.
I don't understand.
I think it's just patriotism in a similar capacity.
I was going to say it's like an extension of the flag.
Like we got stars and bars and then they have the fan flag and then this also represents British.
Because they blew a 13 colony lead, right?
But also like that was that was kind of tight when they had it for them.
Even though like you saw none of it because you were a fucking peasant.
They think like, oh yeah, wait, fucking, that was offshore.
Oh, I did that.
It's like, no, motherfucker, you didn't do that.
It's like Yankee fans.
They don't own the team, but motherfucker, we got them penned.
Exactly.
So the monarchy represents the English empire.
Yes.
And there's still pride in the empire.
And the people who are frustrated with the monarchy feel like they're not acknowledging what the cost of the empire was, which was what they had to do to people.
Atrocity, genocide, rape.
Gotcha.
Now, torture.
Do we hold the royal family accountable for that?
Even now, like Elizabeth.
Yeah, everyone always like, everyone always has been talking about like in American news about how like Elizabeth oversaw the largest like decolonialization operation over her reign.
And it's like, bro, it's not like she was like, oh, yeah, please go away.
Like, it's fine.
She wasn't like, yeah, congratulations for, you know, decolonizing and having an independence day.
No, she would go there and they'd be like, yeah, torture these motherfuckers, which they did.
They did it in Kenya, in Malaysia.
Anytime there was like, especially if there was like a communist uprising or anything like that, she was there doing PR while the fucking forces were out there literally wearing their disrespectful ass alphas.
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They wore shorts and shit.
I hate that.
You're really big into military uniforms.
I do love military uniforms.
I think like if you're wearing, if you're getting doned by a guy fucking wearing shorts, like that's so disrespectful.
The Chubbies army is here.
God damn it.
I got killed by a Chubby's Chubbies.
The last thing you can see is some fucking sunburnt caps.
Just like red as fuck.
It's just, yeah.
Summer heat.
It's like, yeah, mate, we have to do it to him.
It's fucking bullshit.
It's bullshit.
It's like Fortnite dancing on someone's corpse.
Like, you couldn't cover them shits up, dude.
What the fuck?
It's just, it's fucked up.
And then they wear the cap with like the little fluffy thing on top of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
They just have a cap like that.
The Turks, they have like crazy shit.
They have the fezzes and shit.
Yeah, the fez, right?
Yeah.
That's Moroccan.
Oh, is that Moroccan?
I'm sure that's the Turks.
Turks have the Fez, too.
Their version, right?
Yeah.
What is the point?
What is that?
Is that just like the version of the Yamaka?
It's such bad headgear.
It is, right?
It doesn't stay on your head.
It's so weird.
You got to clip it on and shit.
It doesn't even look that good.
Why are you trying to look like a cone head?
Yeah.
I never understood that.
It's got a little tassel on it, too, like you're graduating.
It's just silly.
Yeah, I never understood that.
I've never been a big fez boy.
Yeah, this.
Yeah.
Oh, this is what the guy with the ice cream.
Hold on, hold on.
Yeah.
The guy to the right looks kind of hard.
He's kind of pulling it off.
Oh, just him.
Here we go.
The Moroccan up there.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
That Moroccan guy's doing it.
Oh, it's cool.
That guy's doing it, dog.
Wow.
That guy's doing it.
That is a fit for sure.
I mean, the Blazer is crazy.
Elijah Muhammad wore some shit like that, didn't he?
Right before he killed Malcolm Express.
Okay, explain to me why they don't just give you ice cream in Turkey.
Here's the point.
It's so fucked up.
Yeah, I don't understand.
Yeah, a betrayal of everything, dude.
It's just like, you're like, oh, man, I want a delicious child.
I want a delicious treat.
And Turkish ice cream slaps.
They have like this weird thing.
It's like a gummy consistency.
Okay.
It's actually really good.
They got to make you earn it then.
That's all.
Yeah, dude.
It's fucked up, though.
They'll do the flip where like he'll double cup it.
You have like the cone in your hand and then you're like, oh, finally.
And he's like, nope.
Fuck you.
Well, you can get out of it actually if you prove you get fucked in the ass.
It's actually okay.
I walk around everywhere with the phone.
Like, oh, sorry, here you go.
You just have it.
Oh, he's like, oh, man.
You got me.
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Hassan, a lot of people have credited you for Andrew Tate choosing to remove all of his content from social media.
Willingly.
Willingly.
He willingly went away.
Yeah, you guys had one debate, and then after that, apparently he removed everything.
Apparently, you just got him, dude.
You just really demonstrated.
How did you make that happen?
Like, what was that the goal?
Or was it just discourse?
Like, really break that down.
I'm kind of bummed.
I wanted to.
I'm bummed because I wanted to like actually talk to him about the sex trafficking shit.
You know what I mean?
Like, because that's like way more interesting and way more awful than like just running another Tai Lopez style multi-level marketing scheme, which he definitely was doing.
But like, I did the entry point into that because he was on this other like 17-year-old Fortnite streamer, Clix, like his stream, because he was doing the rounds.
He went to like Aiden Ross.
He went to Clix's stream.
He's like going up against these like 20-year-old kids and just basically farming their audience of like dummies.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like all these like 12, 13 year olds were like, oh, I want Fortnite.
And then they like, oh, this Andrew Tate guy, he seems so cool.
He's got a Bugai.
And basically he was like getting all of them involved and invested in this like fucking thing he called Hustlers University, the MLM scheme.
And I saw that and I was pissed off about it.
I was like, what the fuck are you guys giving this guy like, you know, a free promo?
Like, you're not even asking for money.
This is ridiculous.
At least get a cut.
So he was doing that shit.
And then like that dude's manager, Clix's manager is a fan of mine.
And he'd like hit me up on the DMs.
He was like, bro, you want to come on the stream?
Oh, so it just happened in the moment.
And I was like, I was like, yeah, I want to do this.
I want to talk to this motherfucker.
And I had done a little bit of research on him already.
Like, I knew a little bit about him.
So I just went on and I just started talking to him.
And he's just like talking about how women can't drive and all this other shit.
He was like, I've been in the most car accidents.
Well, I mean, Princess Diana, right?
Oh, my God.
She had a driver, though.
Yeah, a female.
A lot of people don't know.
Do you think the Muslim guy was going to let her drive?
Okay, so then you guys, yeah, I was watching the back and forth and you guys are getting into it about the female driving.
Yeah.
And I just like, I was like, bro, that's not, that's not how this works.
Like, you can't just be like, this is my personal experience.
You can't personal experience your away from like, you know, shit that isn't true.
Right.
But he tried to do that.
And then I just asked him like, because I knew that he wasn't a flat earther because I had heard him talk about that already, which is surprising because he's like everything else.
Yeah.
He's into everything else except for flat earth.
Okay.
Which is weird.
Yeah.
So I was like, do you think the earth is round?
And he's like, yeah, I do.
So I was like, all right.
Well, do you think you know the earth is round?
Because it feels like it's flat and your personal experiences would show that it's flat.
Like maybe empirical evidence is important for that reason.
Like maybe science is important.
He was like, no, I actually went up to the sky.
Like I literally was like, what did you fly in a fucking rocket ship to the moon and see it personally that the earth is not flat?
He's like, yeah, I did that.
That's right.
I love that.
I love that.
But at that point, he had been like so thoroughly bullied by me that like he was kind of like sinking in.
I am a bully for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was like sinking into his fucking seat.
He like took off his headphones at a certain point to not respond to me.
Wow.
Yeah.
So after that, he was like, he was not as invested in like Twitch.
And then everybody started making like videos about that and also all the other shit that I had like addressed there.
But people were like researching what the fuck this guy's about because he blew up out of nowhere.
Like he's been around.
He's been on the internet for a long ass time.
I think he dated like Jordan Peterson's daughter and shit, which, you know, that's kind of a dub.
Caleb Peterson is fucking, she's hot.
You're into it.
I think she probably, her sweat glands are probably busted from just eating straight raw meat.
But there's no way.
There's no way she has normal poops.
What do you think they're like?
Oh, it's just like a fossil.
You're like, it's just fucking dense.
You're not pushing that.
That's a little emasculating, too.
You go on a date, you get a fucking Pokeball, and then she just gets it.
She just gets a steak ball.
She's hot, though.
You know, very attractive.
Very attractive.
Very attractive.
Except, like I said, if I ate that much meat, I love meat.
Like, I eat a lot of meat.
If I ate that much meat, if I had a meat-only diet, I feel like I'll be sweating fucking straight grease.
You know what I mean?
Have you tried it, though?
I have not.
Don't knock until you try it.
Yeah.
100%.
Kind of like Hustlers University.
That's also true.
You'll learn something.
If you joined, you might have learned really how to note.
You'll get 50% of the money if you sign up because I've been a member for Carlos.
You're an affiliate.
You got a separate code?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's great.
It's a great business.
It's never been done before.
It's very unique.
Now, if Jordan Peterson was your father-in-law, right?
Like, how would Thanksgiving, do they have Thanksgiving in Canada?
Canada?
I think they have like a Canadian.
They have a different Thanksgiving.
Yeah, I don't know.
What is their different day?
They're thankful for the fact that they're next to America.
I think.
That was actually a very good holiday.
Now, do we think that you guys could reach common ground on certain things?
Nothing.
Nothing.
Hassan.
You would both agree that nothing.
Michaela's beautiful.
That's true.
That is true.
We both think that she's hot.
There it is.
There you go.
That's one.
That's one.
And that's it.
I like eating meat too.
So there's that.
But I don't know what socialism.
He's not.
Dude.
He actually was a part of.
He was a socialist.
He wasn't.
When he was younger, he was literally a part of the NDP.
He was like a student organizer for the NDP.
What happened?
He's like the leftist party there.
As he got older, he went away from it.
Maybe that would happen to you.
Yeah, no, I just think that's not socialism now.
No, I think he just, I mean, I think he just became older.
And a lot of people don't really, you know, a lot of people don't really follow through on that, especially when they're younger.
If they got into it, they see it as like a fad rather than like something to internalize or truly understand.
Are you worried about that?
No.
Well, the one thing I am worried about is not like as I get older, but like the more money I make, the more I'm like, damn, fucking luxuries are great.
They're fire.
They're so nice.
And I've always loved, like, I've always loved commodities.
You know what I mean?
Even when I was fucking broke as shit.
Yeah.
So that didn't change.
And now I can actually buy it.
Yes.
And then people yell at me all the time.
They're like, fuck you.
So what is the line where you like, how, how big can you get maintaining being a socialist?
I mean, rich.
You know what I mean?
Like, how materialistic can you?
You can't be rich.
Why can't socialism be rich?
I think I tend to agree with that also.
Yeah, there's no, there's no, like, it's not a fucking religion.
Like, there's no dogma around like, you know, being wealthy and also being socialist.
But in America, they think like, oh, you're supposed to be dead broke.
Like, it's bullshit.
So what is socialism to you?
Socialism is about worker power.
It's, it's just about allowing everyone to have more autonomy in their lives.
We spend 80% of our lives in the workplace day in, day out, and we have no control over it whatsoever.
Like, obviously, this is a dramatically different circumstance because you have your own podcast.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
And a much low load.
I'm talking about like the regular Joes, right?
People that work at fucking Starbucks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, they have no control over their lives at all.
They can't, you want to take a day off?
Fuck off.
You can't take a day off.
So by your definition, you have complete autonomy.
So you are within your definition of socialism, conveniently.
Yeah.
And also on top of that, like I have, for example, I have a podcast as well.
It's called Fear Ann.
And I, you know, I collaborate with another content creator, is my best friend, for a long time.
And we have a producer.
And we just split it three ways, like everything.
Wow.
Down the fucking down the line.
And not just the revenue, but also the decision making as well.
So the way we do it.
I'm sorry.
Is there a mutant?
Why is your jaw dropped?
Why is your job?
There's mutiny happening in the ranks.
I'm looking straight into my camera and I'm just shaking my head so we know when we can cut.
Stalvro said we should unionize.
Hey, you notice his workforce is three people, right?
No, but this is good.
This is good.
So the way I do it is like the decision-making process is also incredibly important, I think.
Like if someone is like, I don't want to work on that day, let's work on this other day.
That's like a huge part of your life.
Like that's a that's a big thing that you never have in any other workforce.
The autonomy of like the decision-making process.
The process in which we like take on advertisers or whatever or whatever kind of Patreon benefits we want to do.
Like all that shit is decided across the board by all three parties involved.
And that is one way of doing it.
First of all, I think that's great.
I think it's great to give everybody say you probably do recognize that as you would, let's say, scale and have more employees, it'd be trickier to give everybody.
Yeah, for sure.
Can we even like contract as well?
Like it's not like, you know, there are.
No, no, I'm not trying to call you out.
I guess what I'm trying to say is like literally decision making.
If every decision you have to go through 100 different employees, that would get tricky.
You can do it with that way as well.
Like there are different ways of doing it.
There are different ways of many different ways of doing it.
It's just one way.
It's just one way that I do, especially the podcast side.
But I do see that.
Because one thing I think that I think most people would agree with, regardless of where you lie on the spectrum, is that you want workers to have more rights, the ability to make more money, and more freedom in their life.
If you're not an asshole, you probably agree with me.
Yeah, exactly.
But are there ever workers where you're like, I think they should get paid less?
Like, do you ever run into those people?
There are there.
Sometimes.
I've never, I've never had a situation like that.
Never had like a waitress or someone where you're like, no, no.
Because like the way I see it, especially with like, with like Waystaff, right?
Yeah.
I, I, I, like, unfortunately in America, they get paid dog shit and it's all tips, right?
Yeah.
So even if someone sucks, absolutely sucks, I'll still tip them.
I'll still give them a fat tip.
Yeah.
Because I see it as like, it's literally where you're going to.
If they disrespect you or disrespect your girl.
No, even, it's just like, it doesn't matter no matter what.
Because like, bro, the person, that's never happened, so I don't know.
But the person there is having a way worse time at it overall than that brief interaction that you have.
I want it to be on his side.
This cheap motherfucker.
I want it to be on his side.
I'm white.
I tip no matter what because it's in my culture.
But he actually, what's funny is as he's gotten richer, he tips worse and worse.
It's a really interesting phenomenon.
It's a really interesting phenomenon.
It's really interesting to watch.
Why are you saying that?
I've just seen it happen.
When you go to a fancy restaurant, how much you tip?
At 15%.
Yeah, tipping.
I never tipped 15% once in my life.
I've never started something here.
Oh, wow.
No.
Wow.
You're playing a game.
You're playing a game.
Stop.
You're lying to impress the guests.
Yes.
You paid 15%.
That's crazy, bro.
Never once.
No wonder the waiters are disrespecting you.
Never once you be a hard bud.
You really are.
Bro, that's crazy.
Dude, no, no, no.
Are you being serious?
I deadass heard you say to somebody, probably in this room, when you go to a nice restaurant, they know you tip 15%.
That's just what it is.
Strip Club Tipping Habits00:07:16
No, 20% is bare minimum.
Bare minimum.
But what if they disrespect you?
20%.
And I fucking am upset about it.
You know what?
If they disrespect me, I tip 20%, but I do it on the customer copy.
Oh, so they have to do it.
It's kind of like that.
You figure out yourself.
Yeah.
Figure out yourself.
Sometimes you'll do the math wrong.
That's it.
And they'll still get the same amount of money, but it won't be the right sense.
Yeah, yeah.
Why are you making up these shenanigans?
Because you got defensive and you're projecting.
No, he doesn't tip.
He doesn't respect me.
I'm the one with the bad memory here.
I'm the one that forgets things.
Do I forget this?
What do you tip?
What do you tip, Agash?
At least 20.
Fuck you.
Now, post-pandemic.
Shut the fuck up.
Post-pandemic, I swear to God.
Shut the fuck up.
Post-pandemic.
This guy's never tipped 20% in his entire fucking life.
You've never tipped 20%.
This shit is good.
Because somebody's lying.
That's fine.
He never goes out to dinner with us.
There's one time he's been out to dinner with us in the last year.
How would he know?
Because he doesn't want to embarrass you with how.
Oh, hey, what did he just say?
I do remember in Miami when he tipped us out.
He tipped pretty high.
It was actually over 20%.
Yeah, I usually go above.
When we went out in Miami, I forgot that early.
We went to a chip.
No, no, no.
It was a nice response.
I tipped 50% of Chipotle.
That is one thing that dramatically changed my life.
That's one thing that dramatically changed in my life is like back in the day.
Leaving your friends that are pieces of shit.
Did that help you?
Did that help you a lot?
Hey, which one of us is getting defensive right now?
I'm a little defensive.
You're attacking my culture.
Okay, whites have few things, but tipping is one of them.
And if we fucking bring it, dude.
I wouldn't even say that.
Now I'm getting pressure from the fucking Turks over here.
I'm thinking 20% is a little low for somebody, Rich.
Yeah, I do more than that.
We'll do it later.
I'll just.
Take it all.
Fucking take it all.
How about that?
Take all the money.
How much do you tip?
It depends.
So, like, first of all, 20 is definitely the minimum, right?
No matter what happens.
No, if you suck, I don't think you deserve 20.
No, even though you're not.
No, no, no, no.
I stand on that 10 toes down.
If you suck, you don't deserve 20.
I don't like the tipping culture that we have, regardless.
He's proud of himself.
But if you're decent, even at least 20.
For me, it's not based on performance.
Like, 20% is the bare minimum.
Because, like, I don't see it as like a performance-based compensation.
I literally see it.
It's crazy.
I see it as like survival.
Like, this dude, this dude needs the money.
Bottle waitress, she needs it.
Bottle waitress.
She needs it.
She needs 20%.
I just, no matter what it is, like, one thing I never used to do when I was younger is like, I never used to tip when you like go to a Chipotle and they just ask you.
And it's like, well, I'm picking up the fucking, you know, I'm picking up the food here now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
They don't deserve it, right?
Now, definitely.
No, it's not that they deserve it.
It's just I was also kind of broke.
You know what I mean?
But now I even tip then.
Like I just drop a little.
Uber eats.
What about Uber Eats?
Always.
I do the percentage or I did an amount.
Now it's like, I think it's like 25 is the max that you have in the immediate allocation.
I think it's like 15, 20, 25 is what I'm going to do.
Oh, I give an amount.
I give a straight amount.
Yeah.
It just depends.
It depends.
But usually it's like if it's a five buck or a five bucks, you know, five dollars.
That's it.
Jesus.
Oh, now we back.
Now we back.
I got that number from him.
Five bucks, bro.
Five bucks.
It's the same work to bring the thing over.
It's one.
Boom.
It's not.
You're not writing nothing down.
Wait, you're not going back and forth.
You're not asking me how's everything tasting tonight?
I give them that Ibrahim Lincoln, bro.
If you don't ask me, how's everything tasting tonight?
That's it.
$5.
That's it.
That's crazy.
How would I disrespect waitresses like that?
Guys, I'm going to pay this guy as the waitress was with me the entire night checking on me.
Water?
Wipe out your mouth.
He's risking his life to get the food to you.
Get a clone, loser.
Get a drone.
It's literally worse.
They are using their own fucking car.
They're paying for gas.
They're getting parking tickets and shit.
All right, all right, $6.
You got some good points there.
No, it's so much worse.
Like, I definitely go max out.
You max out.
Or it depends on if it's like a big order for like a bigger one.
You're right.
I think I should tip them more and waitresses less.
Okay, what about strip club?
Oh.
Dollar?
Is it dollar?
Come on, bro.
Dollar?
I haven't like, I don't think I've ever, I don't think I've been to a strip club since I haven't been broke.
So I don't even know.
Like, I just, I have not been in a strip club recently.
So I don't know what I would do.
I don't know what I would do.
I mean, I have no problem with it.
Like, I love strippers.
They're great.
But let's say that we're all at the strip club.
Yeah, tonight, maybe.
Tonight, maybe.
Uh-huh.
We all have wives, so that probably won't happen.
But in a hypothetical situation, right?
Are we making it?
Oh, yeah.
Are we making it rain?
Yeah.
Of course.
You got to do it.
You have to.
You have to.
100%.
In the strip club, you can't be like respectfully giving like a $100 bill.
You know what I mean?
You have to throw it.
You have to throw it.
Or ball it up sometimes.
No, exactly.
It's a part of the process.
Yes, exactly.
Yes.
It's a part of the process.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Would you ever ball the dollars up and that's disrespectful?
That's disrespectful.
That's what this guy's going, bro.
No, this guy's a monster.
This guy's a bad thing.
It's you.
This is what you're doing.
You're dividing conquer.
Socialist divide.
Yeah, look at that.
But what he did, I thought out of everybody, he was the most left.
Oh, didn't you think that?
That's what I thought.
This guy's not leftist.
He's a Catholic, bro.
Yeah, socialist.
Catholic socialist.
Come on, bro.
Jesus.
Look at it.
Let's go.
I have a man bun, okay?
We took him to the strip club, and he just followed Instagram.
That's why I thought, like, before anybody else, this guy COVID right now.
Spying.
Spying.
Balled up dollars.
Pump fake shooting three fadeaways at the strippers.
It wasn't stout.
No, it was coins.
Okay.
You're a crazy guy.
It was coins.
You're a crazy guy.
You make like one of those like fucking, you know, early 90s comedy bully style like snowballs.
We put like pebbles in it.
Yeah, exactly.
He's like, you balled up a dollar and put like coins in it, so it was waiting.
She didn't duck.
I don't know.
Like, what do you want me to say?
They were loving it, though.
They were concussing strippers.
No, they would go like this for the hoop.
It was sick.
Oh, yeah.
There is that one strip club, Claremont Lounge.
Yep.
Yeah.
Oh, that's right.
The old ladies.
You don't know about that.
Oh, in Atlanta.
Oh, the old lady strip club.
No, I'm good.
Get Atlanta.
No, why?
The lady crushes a beer can with her titty.
That was awesome.
Smash.
Better.
Pong ball out of the pussy.
That's the thing.
No, no elasticity left.
These are old.
It's like an old gym sock.
You never seen like a you never know, man.
If they've been doing Kegels, they have like a competitive edge over, you know, young 20-year-old strippers.
Oh, maybe.
Kegles for years.
Yeah, their pellet floor is strong.
Shoving them.
It's like Yoshi eating a watermelon.
Yeah.
They're just spraying the whole block.
She's like, oh, you thought I only had one pin pong ball?
Try 30.
She got the Extendo Club.
Yeah.
Dude, we need to go back to Atlanta.
Yeah.
She's like, oh, you threw coins at me?
Watch this.
Right in the fucking head.
I got her way worse than she did.
I feel like Abraham.
That shit fucked me up.
But shout out to strippers, man.
Like, you know, the real troops.
Money Printing and Landlords00:04:12
The real on the front lines.
Yeah.
You know?
Is there anyone you won't tip that you conventionally like would?
Is there any place where you're like, ah, these movers, I don't know.
Yo, you're crazy.
Yeah, do you trip your landlord?
Yeah, who tips the landlord?
There's plenty of places.
Yeah, I don't tip my landlord.
Why not?
But I mean, I don't even, I have a house now anyway.
But would you pay your mortgage?
Yeah, no.
To-go coffee.
You get a to-go coffee.
I still tip.
I tipped into recently.
Yeah, I tipped downstairs.
Did you really?
Yeah.
20%.
I'm going to ask them.
Go ask them.
To-go coffee.
And like when I do that.
Sam, people are like, you fuck it up for everybody else.
I'm going to be honest.
See, I told you he was against tipping and you didn't believe me.
Yeah.
And now the truth is coming out.
And I'm honest.
Hey, no, I'm being honest.
You're not.
I'm being honest this whole time.
Here's the other reason, though.
What if it's aware this?
This guy just conveniently forgets entire summations of that he gives these guys.
That's a good point.
What if it's a fan?
You go there.
If it's a fan, I have to tip.
But you don't know.
You don't know what they're up here.
I hate that shit, yo.
Yeah, man.
Maybe you visualize me off work, dog.
Maybe he was right.
I'm off.
You do something.
You DC not like.
Yeah, I'm honest.
He's not.
That's my whole point.
I love tipping.
See, that's gay.
Oh, come on.
Come on.
Go on.
Anyway, where do we stand on?
What if his nose says he's a big tipper?
Is tax evasion?
Are we good with that or no?
No, no.
Not at all.
You have to pay your taxes.
You have to pay your taxes.
It's such a fucking complicated process, regardless, which I wish it was easier.
But I mean, most people that, first of all, every American does some form of tax evasion, which is crazy.
Yes.
Like there's everybody all the way to the fucking.
Now you guys are all going to jail.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm working with the 87,000 new IRS agents actually.
Undercover.
Yeah.
They're coming in right now.
But no, I mean, taxes are important, man.
It sucks that it like goes to fucking blowing up brown kids in like Yemen with the.
That's a great excuse for rich people to not want to pay their taxes.
I know.
Don't we all do that?
Like, well, I don't want to give it to the government for the bull brown kids.
The way I see it is like.
Like if they were blowing up the right people, we still wouldn't want to pay.
Yeah.
The way I see it is that it still is like a fraction of it.
It's still going to schools, rows, shit like that.
Fraction.
Yeah.
Fraction.
Yeah.
I mean, it's still, it's still, those are incredibly important resources.
Hey, until we smarter than China at math, you should lower my taxes.
I mean, that's.
Where the fuck's this money going on?
No, it's getting dumber every year, Huston.
That's what I'm saying.
No American fucking likes that because like, especially since like the Reagan era, everyone has been going on the starve the beast attitude where they're like, yeah, fuck the government.
And the government fucking sucks.
It's true.
There's no good.
Like, we don't have any fucking health care.
Healthcare bills are getting higher and higher no matter what the fuck happens.
Public education sucks ass.
Democrats and fucking Republicans both want to take funds away and create charter schools and shit that are unaccountable and really fucking awful in and of itself.
And that's the mentality that genuinely makes Americans go, why the fuck am I paying taxes?
I got to tip the government.
I'm not seeing anything from that, which is why I love like, you know, the Trump, the Trump bucks, the stimmies.
That was great.
That was for the first time ever.
Every American was like, wait a minute, the government's like, kind of got my back a little bit.
Which, by the way, the CNBCE and like all the fucking, you know, Fox business and everybody else literally hated that.
They still talk about it.
Why?
Well, they're like, oh, it's inflation.
You gave poor people money.
Yeah.
Well, you can't print that much money without inflation happening.
Most of the money wasn't printed for the poor.
Most of the money was printed for the fucking stock market.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And also, exactly, PPP, which, you know, people abuse the shit out of.
Yeah.
Now they're getting locked up for.
No, they're not.
A bunch of people.
So we know a guy who went to jail for PPP.
He's like, Andrew's going to jail.
We do.
We know.
We know.
No, we know.
Yeah, we do.
Yeah.
I saw him on Instagram recently taking his daughter to jail.
You live in jail now.
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Okay, so then you will run for president and then you don't want to do it.
No.
No politics.
I hate politics.
What are your aspirations beyond streaming?
I love streaming.
I just want to do it to a larger audience.
That's it.
Like if I if I'm like Walter Cronkite numbers, but still doing the same shit that I'm doing, then I'm perfectly set, perfectly happy.
That's what I know that everybody always is like endless growth, endless growth.
We got to constantly keep growing and constantly keep grinding.
And like I do have that in me too.
I have that dog in me for sure.
But I'm not interested in like going on CNN and having a show on CNN or some shit like that.
Plus, they're not going to pay me.
Like, let's be real.
They're not going to pay me the amount I make now.
It's short.
Unless people are going to see it.
And yeah, well, CNN still has a pretty large audience, like depending on what time slot we're talking about.
It ain't Fox News.
Yeah, it is.
You want numbers.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, how many?
What are the numbers that Fox News is doing right now?
I don't know, but Fox News is probably in the millions.
Oh, really?
Yeah, prime time for probably.
And if you had, like, let's say you did your streaming, but you did it at a specific time.
You're like, hey, I go on every single day at six or every single day at seven.
Do you think that would increase or decrease?
I do that already.
But usually for 10 fucking hours a day.
Yeah.
I start at 11 p.m. Pacific, 11 a.m. Pacific every day, usually.
What I'm saying is if you would consolidate it to one or two hours, do you think all those people would meet you there?
Or do you think that the convenience of being on for that long allows these different people to tap in?
Yeah, I think the convenience allows people from like all around the world.
That's right.
You're doing different time zones and that kind of shit.
But I don't do like repeats or anything.
They could just like watch the VOD or watch my YouTube videos.
Did you know there was kind of a void in the market streaming-wise where things were kind of right of center and you could be left of center and there was a market there?
It wasn't, I didn't think about it on like market terms because I didn't, because like when I started making videos on the Young Turks originally, it was so right wing.
Like YouTube was incredibly right wing.
And all the fucking essayists and everyone else was just like, oh, there's a, you know, a black woman in a fucking new cartoon and that's woke and fuck that.
You know, the feminazis are coming after you.
Like everybody, all these like fat neck bearded fucking weirdos were just like cutting 25 to 45 minute videos about like, go woke and get broke.
Like that sort of thing.
And that was like everyone was doing that.
And that market was like awful.
And I did want to push back against that.
Like I wanted to, I wanted to counter that propaganda by being like, look, you can be like a normal person who enjoys even, you know, buying dumb shit every now and then.
And also a person who can like laugh at jokes without immediately being like, this is actually a microaggression or this is triggering.
So here's my question about when you like stake your claim on like a political side.
Do you find people trying to constantly like catch you and out you?
Yeah.
Always.
How do you also be a human being?
Human beings can laugh at shit that is hypocritical.
I'm a biggest fucking hypocrite.
We're all hypocrites, but also big lie.
Have a guiding, have like a moral compass or guiding light.
And how do you, how do you balance that?
Because I feel like that happens to everybody.
It's in the political realm.
What you're looking for is like seeking out hypocrisy in that regard is usually just hyper focusing on the aesthetics.
Like anyone that has watched me for a long enough time knows that, um, knows exactly what I value.
These are people who are looking to discredit you.
Yes.
And because you've positioned yourself politically in a way, they can use those beliefs to go, uh-uh, uh, you did something wrong.
Like the greatest example of it is literally like every cancellation.
This is fucking bullshit anyway, but like every cancellation I've had since I bought the house has literally been the same thing with like a new fucking patina.
It's just you're rich.
You're a socialist, but you're rich.
Like, how the fuck does that work?
Yeah.
And it's so easy to just like dump into that to join in on the fun because everyone is conditioned into thinking socialism is a poverty cult.
Right.
They don't even think about it.
They're not like, how has he made his money?
Right.
Like, bro, everything I do is free and readily available on the internet.
I do it for eight fucking hours and I don't paywall it.
I don't do any of that shit.
Right.
With the exception of the podcast, which now has like additional content behind a paywall, but it's only one hour of the episodes.
And I tell people to pirate it if they want to.
I don't give a fuck.
Yeah.
Right.
Not only that, but all there's like, if you search my name on YouTube, there's a million fucking channels.
So other people have hundreds of thousands of people.
That's where I watch most of your stuff.
Yes.
Is I'll watch other people clipping it and posting.
Yeah, people take, yeah.
People take my fucking stream and just re-upload it in its entirety and make money off of it.
And I let that happen.
Like I've straight up went to YouTube and I was like, I want these channels to operate shit.
They're not my fucking, you know, they're fan channels, but I don't give a fuck.
It's great marketing too for you.
Yeah, win-win.
It's Hustlers University.
You did the tape before tape.
That's like Hustlers Community College.
Yeah, everyone's fine.
It's literally a win-win.
And I, of course, I would make so much more money if I wanted to like, you know, streamline that process and like claim, you know, do copyright claims and shit.
But ultimately, it doesn't matter.
I make too much money as is.
Where do I make the money?
Voluntary subscriptions on free fucking content.
Like, yeah, I'm sorry that, you know, 50,000, 60,000 people are like, no, I fucking, I fuck with this guy.
Like, I'm going to give him $5 a month for no fucking reason.
And then people are like, nah, fuck that guy.
Yeah.
It's not like I put a gun in your hand.
I don't think it's because I think that they don't like other opinions you might have.
And they're like, this is the way that I can say fuck you.
And I think there's, but go ahead.
Well, okay, so I guess what I, so the, the tricky thing is always, how do you police yourself and make sure you're not doing that to other people?
Where you're like, how do you go, okay, I don't like how people try to discredit me based on one thing when you know the entirety of my thoughts.
How do you make sure that there isn't someone else that you're doing that to?
Well, I care less about the hypocrisy of people's actions, even though it is like punchy and it's easy for people to like immediately go, oh, that's hip, that's hypocritical.
That guy sucks, right?
But I care more about like what they're doing and what the consequences are.
Singular issue and the consequences.
Like I don't give a shit if Ben Shapiro is like hypocritical.
I give a shit if Ben Shapiro says this one thing that you disagree with.
So your statement is less about them as a man or a person and more about that singular.
That's great.
That's mature.
Yeah, but ultimately, like the hypocrisy policing is like a good way to propagandize your position.
So I certainly jump on that train too.
Don't, you know, I'm hypocritical myself, obviously.
Because I love calling out hypocrisy.
Yeah.
It's the easiest way for me to not hypocritize.
It's such an easy jump.
You know what I mean?
It's such an easy jump.
I get to dismiss someone and not care.
All right, cool.
I don't have to invest in that.
Yeah, I think that point is great.
It's an easy way to remove yourself from the political sphere.
To go, oh, that person's a hypocrite.
I don't even have to respond to what they say.
And on the other side, that person's also a hypocrite.
Who gives a fuck about either of them?
Yeah.
This you is like the greatest thing you can do.
It's always like a good flip to be like, this you, and then, you know, show like an old tweet or some shit.
And everybody loves that.
Everybody loves engaging in that.
And the way I see it, like, here's a great example, right?
Everyone loves doing the, I'm going to key search Asian on your fucking Twitter from like before 2012.
Let's see.
Everybody has an Asian.
Everyone has made like a dumb fucking joke like that, right?
Not me, though.
I'm built differently.
It's fine.
But you're also Asian, right?
Technically, yeah, that's true.
Let them rip, my boy.
Exactly.
So everyone has that, right?
Like, but shit that you've said 10 years ago do not reflect your current values.
Right.
Shit that you said three years ago might not reflect your current fucking values.
Like we as human beings learn and grow and change our fucking minds about things all the goddamn time.
And everyone recognizes that.
So it's insanely frustrating when people on the left and people on the right do this shit all the fucking time where they're like, well, got you.
You fucking said something that was bad and wrong.
Even if you might have changed your mind.
Well, maybe you didn't actually change your mind.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally.
You got me.
That's so dumb.
And that's always the, there's always something that that person who's like calling you out has also done that you can always like counterweight.
That happens immediately.
Yeah, immediately people will go through their fucking thing.
And it's just this like never-ending cycle of just proving the point that like everyone's hypocritical.
Like you said, everyone has privilege blind spots.
There's an intersectionality of privilege.
Like ultimately, even if you're like a trans black woman who is disabled or whatever, like you're still American.
So now you have like American imperialism that you can benefit from potentially.
And maybe your privileged blind spot in that regard is going to be, you know, people in the third world that are getting fucking butchered and slaughtered.
Right.
So I recognize that.
And that is one of the guiding principles that I have, which is why I always like yell at people in my community whenever they come in and they're like, oh, we got to cancel this guy.
You can't collaborate with this person.
This person has said that.
This person has said that.
I'm always like, nope, we're not doing that.
I love when you.
You have an interesting relationship with your audience.
It's really, they're antagonistic.
And then you're often ruthless to them.
Yeah.
You're like scream at the chat.
Yeah, like a dictator.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
Scream leader.
Because it's the most.
So the way it works is like anyone and everyone can talk in my chat.
Most people do, especially at my level, most people don't even look at their chats because chat's like, it's really.
I didn't know how you even read it.
Yeah.
I'm insane.
But there's like 30,000, 40,000 people in there.
They're all writing shit.
Right.
So there are different ways of stopping people from writing.
One easy thing is like subscription only.
I never do that because I want to have as democratic of a place as possible so I can get as many opinions as possible.
However, some people like to take advantage of that and like try to piss me off.
So when they do that, I'm going to make an example of them to show everyone.
Like I'm going to whip my chat to ensure that like they understand what the boundaries are.
And if you're constantly breaking those boundaries, you're fucking ruining the content for 40,000 other people.
Eye for an eye.
I'm not going to do that.
It's like when Orson Welles would fire someone the first day on a movie set just to let everybody know like I'm not fucking around.
Oh, is that his thing?
That was apparently a thing that he did.
Yeah.
Interesting.
So you do understand on some level how tyrants organize society.
And there is some efficiency and functionality to it.
For sure.
Yeah.
That's it.
Because you've been waiting to hear this the whole time.
I mean, there's two, there's, well, I guess two discussions.
One is if it's the right way to do things, which I think we all agree it's not.
We want democracy, but or I assume a version of it.
Yeah.
Right.
But I'm not an anarchist.
Like I'm not like every decision that we make needs to be like dealt with by a fucking democratically organized council of individuals or whatever.
I don't think that.
For things to run smoothly in content creation, of course there's going to be an authoritarian element, even in fucking, even in companies as well, to a certain degree.
It's just a delicate balance of like making sure that you are doing right by the people that are providing the value for you, especially when it comes to your workforce.
Like you could shoot this podcast on your own.
You could put a fucking camera in front of your face and shoot it by yourself, but it would never be as good as this podcast is now because you have all these people that are generating value that are putting in the work.
So that's entirely different.
But if someone is, like I said, taking advantage of your generosity in that respect, because like it's free for all.
You can say whatever the fuck you want.
And it can be, if you're coming in earnestly and honestly and you want to learn something and you're asking a genuine question, then that's fine.
I usually have a decent way of reading that, even though it's hard to interpret sarcasm or shit like that over the internet.
But if you're coming in, they'd be like, you say you're a socialist, but you bought a $3 billion house.
Just curious.
Like if you do that, and I've seen that a million times already, I know exactly what that is.
I'm going to fucking click, pull you up to the fucking public square and execute you in front of you I fucked your mom in my $3 billion mansion.
Now, at a certain amount of money, can we organize like a coup of you where we take you on?
Yes.
And we're like, listen, he's one of the boys now.
This like take care of the workers and all that shit was, don't worry about that.
Don't criticize him for this at all.
The nicotine gum is.
Take that out of here.
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I really love it.
So, and then we just go, let's just run it up.
Yachts.
Let them eat cake.
Let me cue my space.
What do you mean?
You want everyone to have a yacht in my community?
No, just you, bro.
Just you.
I mean, you can have Armenian workers on the yacht that are running around.
Let's bring it on the land.
Take it off the land.
Let's go to space.
No, no, no, no.
We're not doing that.
We're not doing that.
What do we think, dude?
Yacht week.
We just do a yacht week with the boys.
How do we balance that?
I like luxurious shit, but I mean, that's not, you know, that's never been really something that I'm into personally.
I'm not like a nautical guy.
Okay, no yachts.
No yachts.
Okay.
Not like a sky.
Ash spins.
Yeah, snowboarding.
Do a little.
I mean, I would do some shit like that.
I could do that right now.
Like, I could fucking, you know.
Yeah, let's fucking do it.
But the problem is, like, I like streaming too much.
So that's the reason.
We bring Starlink.
We bring your boy Elon Starlink.
I know you and Elon.
I love him, yeah.
We're good friends.
I was talking to him the other day.
Yeah.
And he loves your commentary on.
Like when his baby mama came on the show, Rhymes.
Dude.
That didn't happen.
Did that cause a little, I saw.
Did that cause a little issue?
I mean, I'm sure he knows who I am, but I don't think he's too fond of me regardless.
Really?
What?
I fucking rip into him all the time.
He sucks.
But wait, why does he suck?
He is like the perfect definition of a fucking con man.
I'm supposed to love everything he does normally.
And you're supposed to, like, he's literally in the renewable energy space.
He's doing space exploration.
Love those things, right?
But he is such a fucking rugged capitalist con man that has been able to like use energy credits to his advantage.
Every single industry that he's in suspiciously only operates off of government subsidies.
Okay.
This is, I think, a reasonable criticism.
Yeah.
Can you explain the energy credit thing?
I think a lot of people don't understand how in order within a capitalist framework, in order for us to try to reduce our carbon emissions, our output, what we try to do is incentivize companies with tax breaks or direct dollars.
These are car companies.
Yeah, car companies.
And every company has some kind of...
Oh, you can buy energy credits for him, even if you're not a car manufacturer?
Car manufacturers do this with the energy swap, but other companies do this too, like landowners do this, for example.
John Oliver had like a big takedown on this thing that people do usually.
Well, they'll be like, this is underdeveloped or undeveloped land, and we're offsetting carbon by not using this land.
Give us money.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that is cool.
And this is what's happening essentially.
Yeah, the government stipulates how many, like what your energy output has to be for your company for the amount of cars you're putting out.
So if you are not making a fleet of EVs, right?
And like you're using, yeah, and reducing your, you know, carbon producing cars, then you can go and like every one of his cars is not producing any carbon.
Exactly.
So now he has an excess of energy credits.
So for GM and all these other companies, they go to him.
They essentially buy his energy credits.
Exactly.
And some might say that that is why Tesla is so profitable.
No, that literally is the reason.
I don't know the economics of it, so I can't do that.
No, that is mainly the reason, especially because like he has done.
Brilliant, though.
He's done the same shit over and over again where he'll just be like, we're going to do battery swaps.
Never happens, but it doesn't matter because the stock price reflects like what he said is going to happen.
Tesla is not a car manufacturer.
It's a technology company, which is why it's like valued at like 10.
Yeah.
That's right.
Yeah.
Tech value has a higher valuation.
Yeah.
And, you know, everyone wants to be in on the unicorn.
So like everyone is invested in it.
And it becomes this like too big to fail scam, basically.
Yeah.
Cause if we're all invested in your success and my savings are invested in your success, Elastic, I think this is why we feel like the stock market was floated a little bit when the pandemic came.
Because if I'm all in, baby.
Yeah.
No, but that's how it works.
They actually privatized what was otherwise known as like pensions and social security through 401ks.
So even if you're fucking working at a kitchen or some shit, even if you're a chef and you're upper middle class, you think you have an ownership stake in the stock market because when the stock market is doing well, you feel like you're doing well, even if it's like fucking marginal.
But when the stock market is doing poorly, those losses are socialized.
So you're definitely fucked if the stock market is doing poorly.
That's why everyone feels like invested in it, despite the fact that 90% of the wealth in the stock market is owned by the top 10% of wealth.
Yeah.
Which is fucking nuts.
And if you're a fucking chef, you're not in the top 10% of wealth, brother.
Isn't that the case with all wealth, though?
Isn't like 90% of wealth always held usually top 10% or the, you know, Jordan Peterson.
Pareto principle.
What is that?
He says it all the time.
The 20% are the 80-20 rule.
The Pareto principle.
20% of the people make 80% of the things or something like that.
Or the output is like dictated by 20% of the people.
Yeah.
Right.
The top creators.
And that's not necessarily that bad.
You're saying that as long as the people that are helping the creation of that are getting paid a reasonable wage.
Yeah, reasonable wage and have like some control over their lives.
You know what I mean?
Do you get, does anybody look at you and be like, I don't want that?
I don't think this is a very unreasonable argument.
Small business owners all the way to fucking, you know, CEOs and shit don't like that.
They would literally go, I don't believe that someone should have some control of their lives.
And if you've read, if you ever got brainwashed into fucking going to college and like reading an econ textbook, the textbook literally tells you what I'm saying is wrong.
It's just wrong, completely wrong.
The market decides what a fair wage is.
The market doesn't at all account for human nature.
Economics doesn't.
Anytime you talk to an econ guy, he doesn't ever seem to account for human nature.
Yeah.
Or human beings.
They just think like, oh, it's a widget factory.
Motherfucker, who's making the widgets?
You know what I mean?
A guy is making the widgets.
You know what I think also like manipulates reaction to this is like when you're in a creative field, there's a heightened value on creativity.
Right.
And especially with the people that are working right here, like every idea is very important so we can come to the best idea, right?
So you want to compensate creativity as much as you can.
I think when you're so far removed from the thing you're creating, like the guy who makes the widget, you've never had a conversation with him before.
You're like, well, what does he need to make?
What's the profitable thing?
You're actually not valuing his creativity because you're like, I created the thing.
You're just screwing it in or putting it together.
Yeah, that's like, that is, that is what happens in an increasingly financialized economy.
Where like the guy who's never stepped foot on the factory floor has the ownership stake and has the say, or he has even delegated the management responsibilities over to a board that has a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders.
Yeah, yeah.
This entire complex system is built in a way where profit, which is extracted wages, like the additional compensation that you would normally get that you're getting cut out of and all control over your life as well, all autonomy in your life taken away from you, stripped away from you, is designed in a way to yield this kind of outcome.
But haven't you seen recently like the fact that people can work from home now, right?
Yeah.
Like my wife just went to business school.
She's working her job.
Her job says you only have to come in two days a week.
Right.
And they didn't say it because that's what they want.
They said because the workers are like, I don't want to go back in five years a week.
Yeah, fuck that.
And then the great resignation is the whole trend with people just being like, oh, I hate it.
Quiet.
The quiet resignation.
And then now quiet quitting is another.
Quiet quitting.
Great resignation.
Which is literally just like you're working on.
So great resignation first was a bunch of people like, oh, I hate this fucking job.
I'm out.
And now there's something called quiet quitting where employees are basically like, hey, I'm not going to go above and beyond what you've asked me to do.
And employers are like, oh, you're quiet.
That's called quiet quitting.
And they're like, no, no, no, I'm not quitting.
I'm just not going to kill myself for this.
Why wouldn't you?
That's insane.
It's just, and that came as a consequence of a little bit of a tight labor market creating conditions that genuinely are supposed to happen all the time, which has never happened before because labor had no power.
Explain tight labor market.
A tight labor market is when there is an unemployment rate that is so low that there aren't enough workers.
There aren't enough workers for the jobs.
Okay.
So now the power is in the hands of the worker.
All of a sudden, exactly.
And they're home.
In normal econ conditions, when workers have more of a bargaining power, they can just say, all right, well, you know, if I quit, you're fucked.
Yeah.
Right.
What are you going to do?
You can't fill this role.
That's a strike, essentially.
And exactly.
But that has not happened in the past because, well, two different reasons.
One is because there's always an undocumented immigrant pool of labor that American the American industry, especially like agricultural industries, have always relied on to be like, okay, you're not going to do it.
Doesn't matter.
I'm not even hiring you.
I'm hiring the guy that just came in from Guatemala.
And if he ever talks back, I can just call the INS or now ICE on him.
Get another Guatemalan immediately after that.
And then go and do that, which by the way, Purdue, for example, the chicken factories, they do this.
This is built into their profit margin.
It's calling ICE on 100%.
I've heard there.
I've heard that.
The government doesn't punish you.
Yeah, and the government doesn't punish you severely enough for undocumented immigrants.
So you can just take an L one time, refuse to give them back pay.
And if they ever ask for back pay, boom, call ICE on them, pay the fine, and then go back to the fucking exact same neighborhoods that you have created, right?
And bust people into those neighborhoods and have a steady pool of new workers that are desperate for a job.
There's a my wife is telling me about they're developing programs that will track keystrokes on your laptop, on your work laptop.
Oh my God.
So this is this is fascinating.
What workers thought was a blessing, which is I get to stay home.
I do my laundry when I want.
I'll sneak workout in when I want to do, but I'm going to get my work done.
As long as I'm getting my work done, the corporation is happy.
We're happy.
I have a much more happy lifestyle.
Everybody's good.
And now they're starting to calculate keystrokes so they can tell if you're using your work laptop or not and how many hours you are using.
It's what you're typing and what you're searching.
Now there are programs that move your mouse automatically.
So it looks like you're doing something.
Oh, real quick, real quick.
Just as far as that, so I guess what I'm saying is like what they thought was going to be an advantage now has allowed the corporations to spy even more intently.
If you're at work, they know you're there.
So you're like, okay, we don't need to look over their shoulder every single second.
But they've developed software to be on you every single time.
To Al's point, there will immediately be somebody who's like, here's a workaround.
But not everyone has access to that workaround and knowledge of using that workaround.
But what you are describing is basically something that Karl Marx understood fucking 200 years ago.
Yeah.
Who's he?
He's just some bearded dude.
Wrote some texts.
Yeah, yeah.
He was a poster.
He's a big poster.
Dirty, schlubby guy with the mustard.
The expression is in the glasses.
Oh, that guy.
Yeah, the comedian.
Oh, yes.
Yeah, with the cigars.
Yeah, I had some interesting ideas, but like it's you have to always squeeze out as much profit as you possibly can.
And profit is making sure that your workforce is working as efficiently as possible.
So that is another way to surveil their efficiency to ensure that they're fucking working because God forbid.
Now, the irony, of course, is that a lot of these office jobs, as we all know, if you've ever worked in this workforce, like if you're not in the service industry, especially, like I did a job like that, you know, I did biz dev, right?
And it's like, you're not working eight hours.
That's crazy.
You could literally bang out, you could fucking snore some Adderall and literally bang that shit out in like maximum an hour and 30 to two hours.
And then the rest is just like hanging out by the cooler.
Yeah.
So that's how it used to work back in the day.
But now I feel like they are going to try and squeeze eight hours monitor and try to get eight hours of fucking work out, which is insane.
But all matter of technological improvements without any sort of labor power ends up fucking over that I remember from the Communist Manifesto is technology invariably hurts the proletariat and makes the bourgeoisie more money.
That was the thing that really blew my mind because technology, like artificial intelligence and automation, right?
That's a beautiful thing.
We're all on board with it.
Someone's got to fucking clean the toilets.
Hopefully it's a robot, not a human being, right?
It takes you out away.
However, the way it works is because of the way that our economy is organized, right now, when there's any kind of automation, they use that to reduce redundancy.
So they will fire someone.
So instead of like having someone literally do like three hours of work for the same amount of pay, now they fucking fired that guy and loaded the rest of the work load onto one guy who will do eight hours of work now and have a higher output because there's tech available.
And then what do all the other people do that are fired?
They start a podcast.
Yeah.
That's how it works.
And that's how we are right now.
What is the solution though?
Because there's no, I can't imagine a business owner honestly doing it any other way.
Yeah, because why would they do it any other way?
Because everyone is trained and conditioned into thinking this is the right way to do it, which I personally believe is not the right way to do it.
So there are multiple different methods of ensuring this.
The immediate thing you can do is unionization, obviously.
And ensuring unionization.
Oh, unionization.
Like ensuring that workers have the power to collectively bargain with their managers.
It doesn't, it's not like good, bad, left, right.
It's just just.
Yeah.
Like that's the way I see it.
It doesn't, there's plenty of fucking union guys that are Trump supporters and shit.
I don't give a fuck.
As long as you are at the bargaining table and you can say, hey, we're going to get some benefits.
We put in a lot of work this year.
We made a lot more fucking money for the Kellogg's Corporation.
We should be able to take some additional time off.
Yeah.
Isn't the union the equal and opposite reaction to the billionaire?
I mean, it's one way.
It's the only way.
It's the only way, right?
It's the only way that you can push back against the way that your workplace is organized.
Well, that's actually.
And they fucking hate that.
Well, it's kind of human nature, though.
I mean, like, that's how humans have evolved, right?
Is there's like one super alpha male, and then the betas all came around and they're like, we don't like one guy telling us to do.
Let's kill him.
And then we just kept doing that.
We kind of domesticated ourselves.
So it's a kind of natural, like, democracy is even a function of that.
Yeah, it is delighted to work telling us what to do.
We just do not like it.
Yeah.
And this is what we do with even famous people or successful people.
We build them up and we fucking tear them down.
It's like in our DNA to be like, ah, too much power in that one guy.
Fuck you.
Yeah.
And that one guy could be magnanimous, right?
And the way I see it is like, as someone who does have a lot of wealth, I try to use it for good as best as I can.
I help organizing efforts.
Like I bring in community organizers, union organizers.
I raise funds for philanthropies, mutual aid, all that stuff.
But it shouldn't be up to me.
Like it shouldn't be left to someone being like, I'm going to be a good dude in this situation and do what's right.
It should be, that should be by design.
And if that was by design, if we had a different way of organizing society, then we wouldn't have need for charity.
You wouldn't have to work so hard.
What?
No, I mean, I. You wouldn't have to stay.
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You'd only stream three hours.
I know.
You have to stream 10 hours.
No, I love doing it.
I love what I do.
You can do it, bro.
This is fucked up, this system, dude.
This is a fucked up system we're working in.
I am so fortunate because, look, I work shitty jobs and I got shitty pay.
And I love what I do.
So it doesn't even matter.
Like, I have a contract with Amazon, right?
Because you have to get a contract where you're an exclusive partner with Twitch.
And in that contract, there's like stipulations.
I can't talk about it too much, but there is a certain amount of hours that, like, if you have a contract with a streaming platform, there's a certain amount of hours that you need to stream.
Oh, yeah.
There's a minimum amount of hours.
There's like, you know, things that you negotiate in that contract.
That's really cool about working with Amazon is they treat their workforce so well.
So well, historically.
Is that a conflict of interest for you?
What?
Actual question.
Working for Amazon and Bezos.
And Bezos, when I'm sure you disagree fundamentally.
Yeah, and I talk a lot of shit.
Not only that, but I had shouts out the Chris Malls.
He is the organizer, the labor organizer for the first ever Amazon distribution facility up here in New York, actually.
Was it Staten Island?
Is that a unionized?
I think so, yeah.
Oh, that was the one AOC was.
I think AOC was like helping them or something like that.
No, AOC.
I think she pretended she helped them.
No, no, no.
There was a little bit of conflict, but they're fine.
They squashed the beef.
But anyway, that part doesn't even matter.
But I had them on the broadcast.
You know what I mean?
But is that tricky?
Or are you part of a greater system?
You are operating within the system.
So no matter who you work with or how you work.
No, you nailed it.
It is that.
It is impossible to escape the clutches of Amazon when you're working in any part in any industry because AWS owns like fucking 80% of the internet.
Explain AWS, too.
The Amazon web hosting services is the backbone of the internet.
So every fucking website is still owned by them.
Is hosted by them.
This is where they built their admission credits or whatever.
This is where the real Amazon money came from.
Exactly.
And they own all, like, they own like an insane amount of an insane percentage of the e-commerce, too.
So like, it's very hard to escape Amazon, almost impossible.
And if you're going to escape Amazon, where are you going to go?
Microsoft?
Yeah, yeah.
Like, oh, those guys are really good.
You know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it doesn't matter who you work with in that situation.
Well, here's a question.
This is why they say there's no ethical consumption under capitalism.
Would it be possible to compete with one of them if you didn't have the same policies?
You would be at such a disadvantage.
I don't think you would be able to do that.
I don't even think that you would be able to literally fucking make an international competitor unless like the rules were changed to side with the working class to ensure like the NLRB was like beefed up.
You know what I mean?
They got like fucking guns and they would like arrest you for not paying back pay or wage theft.
Yo, he is, he's going, yeah.
You should be worried about that.
I'm just like, fuck you.
Dude, we keep everybody here, man.
You got to have all the opinions, dude.
So the way I see it is like, if we didn't have like a pro-capitalist government, a bourgeois government that is creating the conditions to ensure that like workers can never actually engage in emancipation and get better pay for themselves and better benefits and whatnot.
If that was not the case, then yes, there could be a competitor to something like Amazon because Amazon would be like fucking cut into pieces regardless.
But as a singular individual, like trying to compete with Amazon with a cooperative, let's say or a unionized, like democratized workplace is pretty fucking difficult.
Who's the model government?
Who's that?
Is there one right now?
I don't think there is one.
No.
I mean, it's like the way I see it, I'm not like a revolution tomorrow.
I got my fucking furry ears on, you know, type of person.
I'm going to Molotov cocktail, business owners or whatever.
I just, I see it as a transitional period, especially in America.
Like you got to, you have to make sure that the conditions are met.
I don't think that there's a lot of revolutionary potential in the United States of America because we are a part of the labor aristocracy.
I do think that we are beneficiaries of the third world exploitation.
You know what I mean?
Like we don't even fucking think about it, but like the shoes that I'm wearing, like some Indonesian child slave made this shit.
Isn't there like a little bit of silver lining in capitalism is that we like found how good Asians are at sewing?
Right?
Like they would never have known that.
Yeah, no, totally.
If they had no idea.
Yeah, they had no idea.
And then they fucking got to sewing and they were crazy.
It's at a young age.
Yeah, that's why.
That's why they're doing it because they're so good.
We're online.
Fucking amazing.
Exactly.
What were they doing before?
Karate or something?
And then we found the exact thing that they're incredible at.
So sewing.
Yeah.
So capitalism is pretty good.
Yeah.
On that front, I think that there is way more revolutionary potential in the third world because of the way that like production works there.
Whereas here in like America or in the Western nations, like we've already outsourced that.
There's no fucking assembly line where you get together and be like, yo, this shit sucks, huh?
Like fuck this manager.
You know what I mean?
Why is he doing this?
Why is he up my ass all day?
That doesn't really happen as much.
And where there are assembly lines, there are already pretty, those are unionized sectors regardless.
But those unions are so fucking old school that they're kind of a part of the system itself, too.
Yeah.
So it's just, it's too powerful of a force.
So what I try to do is instill class consciousness in anyone and everyone that I can and do agitated propaganda to ensure that people will go out.
At least know that there's something else out there.
Yes.
And try to get their workplaces organized, which has been very successful.
The first ever Chipotle union in Michigan were two Hasanabe heads, two fans of mine.
They were like, one of them was reading a Mark Fisher book.
And the other one walked up to him and was like, oh, what's up?
You're reading a leftist.
You're reading a leftist book.
You know Hasanabe?
You know Hassan Piker?
So they started connecting.
And then that's how they, yeah, that's, and that's good.
Yeah, you know, you know Noam Chomsky?
So I don't need a tip at that Chipotle.
So oh yeah.
Yeah.
You know what that's Chipotle?
You're blasting him with tips.
But yeah, no, it's stuff like that.
There's a lot of, there's a lot of organized student organizers and shit in my community as well.
What about, what about, and we talk about this with Stavros a bit, but like, do you think it's also a function of time and value of life?
And that America has been built and I guess kind of rejuvenated by the immigrant experience, right?
Like your parents come here, they're like, yo, it's time to get it.
Your dad is like, nah, you're not fucking around with the military.
Like you're going to go out there and get some, go get your education, get some money.
My mom had the same idea with me.
Al's parents, literally Mark's parents, literally all of us here, kids of immigrants, kind of funny.
And so we have this mentality where it's like, yo, here's the opportunity.
Go seize that shit, run with it.
And then you give us a few hundred years.
And then we start realizing like after we've gotten all this wealth, we're like.
Third generation is when you get fully assimilated.
There's studies done on that.
So third generation means.
And when you start becoming a fucking loser at school, like you don't give a shit.
And then you start going, I think we should hang out with our family a little bit more and like until they time off.
Interesting.
So what happens if America, since we're so young in the next, let's even give us like maybe a couple hundred years.
What if we start going, hey, you know what?
It would be good if we value the work week.
Let's take August off.
Yeah, let's do what happens to Europe and America.
I wonder if we're just young and we're eventually going to get there.
Yeah, you see what he's saying?
Like once there stops being an influx of immigrants and we become second, third, fourth generation Americans.
Then maybe capitalism kind of leaves and then socialism, social, social.
Because we realize the things that really make us happy, which are like family, friends, and taking August off.
Essentially, capitalism is a great idea for sure.
But no, I don't think that's going to happen.
Bro, because it's a natural evolution?
I don't think so.
And the reason why I don't think so is because, well, first of all, all those European countries, like, they did something just like America did, which was, you know, slavery and theft and, you know, colonialism.
So that's how they were able to like build that profound amount of wealth that they're banking on.
Some of those countries still actually manage the financial operations, like France, you know, they still own like the central bank of Somalia and shit.
You know what I mean?
So like they still keep it.
A lot of money in that story.
I mean, but yeah, there is a, it's an entire country.
So yes, there is a lot of money there.
You know what I mean?
It's not, yeah, it's not, they're not caked up in Somalia, but it's still cake.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, so, so there's a lot of that going on, but let us hope.
Let us hope, Hassan.
I don't, I don't think time is going to do that because with climate change, like there's always a new form.
Oh, you believe in that?
Yeah, I believe in it because this is a Chinese conspiracy.
So I love that.
That's why I believe.
Is that what they say?
That China's paying you big bucks to say this shit.
No, no.
I just, I do like Xi Jinping.
He's, he's great.
Wait, really?
I love high-speed rail, bro.
I just, it's fucking fun.
No road initiative.
That shit is lit.
Yeah, that's good too.
The Uyghur stuff, not great.
Okay.
That's not great.
Is that how it's pronounced?
Uygur is how you're supposed to say it.
It's a Turkish word, right?
Yeah, it is.
They're Turkic.
Yeah.
You say yogurt?
I just Americanize it and say Uighur.
Yeah.
Like even their food is more Turkish than like Chinese.
They're Turkic.
They're a Turkic people.
So why aren't y'all stepping up?
They're helping out your boys.
You can roll it over.
Get in there.
You can't fucking do shit.
What are you crazy?
You got shot down a Russian plane.
Y'all don't give a fuck.
I mean, that's true.
Turkey as a government doesn't care.
And they actually do act.
They swung on dudes in DC.
Remember that?
Yeah.
Son, if you're a man, that was insane.
If you think America treats their workforce poorly, China, let's take them off.
Yeah.
I mean, here's the thing.
That's a really interesting take because I agree.
But that like one fucking or two decade of like hyper-exploitation of its workforce yielded insane results for China, which is why they're going through their like 80s fucking period of like, you know, corpus middle class and like, you know, buying luxury because like China is popping the fuck off right now.
They are dominating.
Terrifying.
And their economy is, their economy is great.
They're fucking, they're killing it.
And part of that is because like they just straight up said like we're, I mean, it's a very different way of looking at it.
I don't think that they're actually like a perfectly transitional socialist state in the way that like a lot of people will claim they are on the internet, especially.
But they do have some really good ideas.
$100 million would you work for the Chinese government?
He just said they have some really good ideas.
I do it for the high-speed rail, dude.
How much do you hate travel time that you're like, yo, China, China?
It's not just that.
It's like there's this concept of Chinese prosperity that they abide by overall, where it's like, yeah, the government's really authoritarian.
There's no fucking social liberties.
You know what I mean?
There's no like civil liberties in the same way that you see it in like Western countries.
It's authoritarian.
There's no porn.
I hate that.
You know what I mean?
I want to watch porn every now and then.
Right.
But having said that, it's more like you put your head down and you work because you know that the government's taking care of you no matter what happens.
Because if the government doesn't take care of you, you know, they're not that far removed from a peasants' revolution.
Like, you know what I mean?
It's like they have that in their history and they could technically do that.
They haven't.
But ultimately, they recognize that the government, at least the Chinese people I talk to, will say there's this understanding that the government is, unless you're an Uyghur Turk living in Xinjiang, then of course not.
The government has your best interests or Tibet.
But ultimately, yes, the government has your best interests at heart.
And they show it too.
They build, they build, build, build like fucking crazy.
And they take this overall pool of wealth and they distribute it across this massive fucking land with billions of people.
And that's the reason why they've been able to prosper so aggressively over the course of the past like two decades.
The only thing it's because they just like steal all our technology and they don't do any research and development at all.
Well, that's a really good, that's a really good bargain.
That bargain was engage in contracts and then use software to rip off everything.
No, no, no.
That definitely, that definitely cuts out a lot of the trust.
A lot of the worker, a lot of the work.
They took advantage of our workers.
They're taking advantage of our workers.
No, you know who did that.
Why are you okay with that?
No, you know who did that.
Who?
The business owners.
They knew that China was not going to abide by their IP and they still kept doing it.
Why do you think the factories?
Yeah, why do you think the fucking factories are still in China, motherfucker?
It's been like 20 years.
You know they're stealing their fucking.
They're good, dude.
Yeah.
They're good.
Because business owners were like, I don't give a fuck if my IP is stolen.
As long as I get that Chinese manufacturing.
Yeah.
Which now they have developed to a point where like Chinese manufacturing is definitely primo.
Like you can get top shelf quality or bottom shelf quality still if you want in the same fucking factory.
But even they have to now outsource it to other places because now it's not, you can't, you can't meet those deadlines and you can't like abuse your workforce once they become more prosperous.
Yeah.
So it's the same concept.
It's the it's the tendency of profit to fall always.
Like the profit rate, the profit margins are always going to fall with technological achievements.
They did, they did, I think, a mixed economy better than America ever has done.
But it worked.
It's not the capitalism.
The capitalism was the influx of foreign capital coming into the country with the distribution.
Yeah, that's why I said mixed economy.
But the distribution of that wealth was spread out across the land.
So it's impossible to do without capitalism.
Well, in a capitalist world, yes, post-Cold War, no USSR anymore.
There's no like communism is demonstrably failed.
Socialism has demonstrably failed.
In that situation, it's like, yeah, you're going to look at that.
And Deng Vid.
And he said, yeah, we're going to, you know, to be socialism is not about being poor.
To be rich is glorious.
Well, that's a mistranslation.
Who invented capitalism?
I don't know.
Mr. Capital.
Isn't that crazy?
We don't even know.
But Adam Smith wasn't even a fucking capitalist.
Wasn't even a capitalist foundation.
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He was Scottish.
That's the funniest part about it.
Adam Smith fucking hates landlords and shit.
Everybody with a fucking econ degree is like, Adam Smith, invisible hands.
Like, motherfucker, you didn't read the text.
Like, there's plenty of shit.
Like, Karl Marx stole his work.
I mean, technically didn't steal it, but like plagiarized half his shit, bro.
He took advantage of that worker.
Yeah, exactly.
That's fucked up.
He also loves guns.
That's why Karl Marx is.
Let's fucking go, dude.
Okay.
So, all right, listen.
I know that we don't have all day with you, but I do, before we get out of here, want to understand Nancy Pelosi.
Smash her pass?
Like, what do you mean?
Where are we going with this?
Okay.
Now, pass.
Definitely pass.
Back in the day.
Young Nancy?
Oh, yes.
An absolute piece or what?
Yeah, she was very attractive.
Beautiful.
Yeah.
You see how she made it.
Well, I think she was a very good fundraiser.
Like early on in her career.
She's a beast of a politician.
Yeah.
She's also, yeah, they say she's very good with the whip.
Like, she's actually very good at like whipping people.
I mean, way better than fucking Chuck Schumer is for sure.
Chuck Schumer has Dick Durbin as his whip.
And the Senate fucking sucks.
So, yeah.
Okay, so she's a beast of a politician.
Now, is incredible analyst, her husband, Paul Pelosi, you know, or George or Paul.
It doesn't matter.
Yeah.
Whatever.
He's great.
Yeah.
He really gets it.
Good driver when he's crunching the numbers.
You know what I mean?
So good at numbers.
Yeah, yeah.
Why do you have a fund?
Like, if he started a fund, it would probably be really successful, don't you think?
Yeah.
No, there are trackers that match what he's doing.
They match his market moves.
Is Nancy Pelosi deep state?
What is deep state?
What?
Okay.
Do you know how like there's, I don't subscribe to this idea that like literally we're going to hand over the keys to America to a new dude every four or eight years.
Like this plotting and planning has to exist maybe 20, 30, 40 years in advance.
And there has to be like a group of people that are doing this.
And those people can move in and out, but I don't think it's every four fucking years.
That's dangerous.
Yeah, I mean, they're not doing it in the shadows.
It's just like rich people.
It's called capitalism.
They get together in front of you.
They go to Davos.
But they don't do it in like a shadowy corner where they're like, oh man.
So it's just corporations and government kind of working together.
Yeah.
And when I like Nazis will look at that and be like, oh, it's all the Jews.
It's like, no, motherfucker.
Protestants, especially in America, like everybody who's rich is already conditioned by the system to be like, I want to be more rich.
To move the system to benefit themselves.
Exactly.
And ideally, if America continues to be prosperous, then they will continue to be prosperous.
And that's where government comes into play and they're working together.
I think at this stage, it's not even America.
It's just like, it's just wherever you can, which is precisely why the original, like the gamble of moving manufacturing overseas yielded a, you know, an incredible prosperous China for the next couple of decades, but was awful for that company like NAFTA.
It was awful for the American people.
Because they weren't thinking about how this would benefit America.
They were thinking about how to make that specific company.
There was no like patriotism associated with that move.
They were like, fuck the workers.
Yeah.
The patriotic thing to do would be pay the workers here a little bit more and not build up this other country.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I do feel that way.
I agree with that.
So so it is.
It's part of your life.
You don't even think about it.
Like when you're operating.
But are they taking advantage?
Like, is that the limitation of capitalism?
Is that it puts your own country in harm's way?
You're green to the city.
This is what I was saying.
It's like with technological achievements, ultimately, it's going to become harder and harder to squeeze out profits.
So you have to do one of two things, right?
You either go to a new country that you can exploit and create a new underclass there, which we have done for many, many centuries.
400 years of slavery, that was a big, that was one of the primary motivators for that.
Or you have to fuck over your own workers.
And we do a combination of the both, a combination of two things.
However, when you do that, then your own workers can't consume.
So ultimately, it's a double bind.
Capitalism eats itself alive, which is why Marx originally thought that the inherent contradictions built into capitalism was inevitably going to be its demise.
But the welfare state has kind of put band-aids on it over and over again.
That's why you see this like boom-bust economy, the economy fucking tanking every like eight years in this like weird cycle.
They act like that's normal.
I feel like the limitation of capitalism is that if you're willing to do anything for money, then you would put your country at a disadvantage for the right price.
Like you would let Saudi Arabia buy up a steak in the New York Times and then put out whatever articles that they potentially want to put out and silence whatever ones they don't.
I thought that's Twitter or any social media ads.
Facebook.
Exactly.
I thought that was the limitation.
So it's like you can be manipulated by your greed.
The way I see it is like a really answering farmer with great hair just talk about how great China is every single day.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm paid by Xi Jinping.
I think that like, I don't really care because I'm Turkish, so I don't really give a shit an American about national boundaries like that.
I do care more about like uplifting people that are just everyday citizens everywhere all around the world.
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Like that, my ultimate goal as someone who believes in the things I believe in is just emancipation for everyone across the board.
And, you know, and one way to do that here, at least doing my part in America, would be to at least have America get out of the way and not do coup d'etats when there's like a democratically elected socialist in a fucking Latin American country.
Most Americans are like, we don't want that shit either.
No, I don't.
That's a corporate greed on another matter because America's not a democracy.
It is a, you know, it's fucking 10 multinational corporations on a trench code.
So it's just like, there's no, there's no will of the people there.
I mean, the will of the people doesn't even work on domestic policy.
You free Brittany, bro.
I mean, exactly.
That's the most you're going to get.
And yeah, you're right, though.
Most Americans, for example, abortion is a great example of this.
Like most Americans, even conservatives are like, nah, like abortion is fine.
Like, chill the fuck out, guys.
But the Republican Party was like, no, we need to make sure that the 30% like white evangelical Protestant base of supporters get, yeah, get what they have been demanding for a very long time.
And look what happened.
Everyone's like, that's fucking bullshit.
You look at Kansas and Kansas foolishly, due to the Catholic, some like Catholic group in Kansas lobbying group, put that as a referendum in their elections recently, like a couple months ago.
They put abortion as a referendum in the election?
They put, yes, in the upcoming, like in the at the time, primaries.
Of course, you could vote on whether they were going to buy.
Yeah.
And it was so bad.
They got fucking wiped out.
The Republicans got fucking absolutely cumstered because everyone was like, oh, fuck no.
Wow.
Primaries.
Well, this is democracy working.
Exactly.
But because of that reason, Michigan has that exact same thing happening right now because it has a red state legislature.
And now they're desperately trying to take that referendum off the fucking ballot because they don't want people to go involved.
And this is democracy not working.
Exactly.
It gets added as a referendum in order for that thing to be exercised.
Wow.
They're silencing the voice of the people out of fear of what they actually do.
Which is why when Bishop and everyone else was always saying, like, ah, it's, it's called more democracy, stupid.
It's like, no, it wasn't.
It was never.
Most fucking states.
It was about to be.
Yeah.
Like, with the exception of like Louisiana and shit, most fucking states, even red states, are going to let you know do an abortion.
That's crazy.
Like they, there's left to the will of the people.
Yes, exactly.
This is one thing Republicans I've noticed do brilliantly is they find the rules around or the loopholes of capitalism and then they exploit them.
Yeah.
I mean, that's.
I mean, not capitalism.
Sorry, democracy.
How many abortions you got, my boy?
I fucking, I have no idea.
Let's go, Al.
I mean, I've raised, I think I raised like, what do I raise like more than $200,000 or some shit for like, you know, red state abortion funds?
Really?
And more than that now.
No, no, no.
How many are you personally raising?
So that's what I'm saying.
Like, so he got to get his money worth.
Yeah, I got you.
$200 plus, $260,000 costs.
I'm out here.
Yeah, I'm out here like fucking, I'm funding all the abortions.
Where are you at on universal basic income?
I think universal basic income has been championed by those like Milton Friedman and shit too, alongside, and Andrew Yang, who I don't like.
He sucks.
He's a fucking podcast.
I told him if he didn't come on the podcast, he wouldn't be the mayor of New York.
Well, right.
There you go.
But it goes either way.
Like, I think it's a necessity in some ways, but it can't actually be used as a way to eradicate the welfare state.
That is also a necessity.
Like, I think in the way that production works right now, because the distribution of wealth is not adequately spread out in our country, like you're going to need it.
At a certain point, you're going to need UBI.
Doesn't matter.
It's going to have to happen because companies have consolidated all that power and all the profits at the top and motherfuckers still need to buy burgers.
You know what I mean?
Or else, why are you goods to sell?
Yeah, you have goods to sell.
So like you have to do that.
That's interesting.
It's not in the government's best interest to help the people.
It's in the company's best interests.
It's like the Model T thing.
He wanted a car that his employees could buy.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
In order for you to have people to buy burgers.
By the way, he's a fascist, but that's alienation.
Like that is alienation is exactly what that is, is that like it gets to a certain point with like division of labor being so exploitative that the person who's making the fucking sneaker in Indonesia can't buy the sneaker.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the product that you're creating, you can't purchase.
So is money just going to be like a water cycle for companies where it just goes out of their, like, you know, they buy the goods, they pay the people, then it goes right back into the company.
The business taxes are supposed to work.
So that's, you know, kind of.
Yeah.
And it, and they will do it only when it's like literally a fucking necessity.
Why do we get stimmies?
The American government never gives money to the poor.
In the 2008 financial crisis, what did Obama do?
He bailed out the fucking banks.
They all got golden parachutes.
Not a single motherfucker went to jail.
Bullshit, right?
How does that happen?
Because the other way around, if they paid off all those mortgages with the money instead of giving it to the banks, then that's a moral hazard.
That's what they call it.
They say it's a moral hazard.
Why is that?
It's only a moral hazard if you're helping the people who need it.
Exactly.
Because the poor don't know how to spend their money.
You know what I mean?
They're going to buy dumb shit.
Which is what you want us to do.
Yeah.
You want us to buy all the dumb shit.
Exactly.
Yeah.
But when the rich, when you give the rich the money, they're more productive with it, which is ironic and not true because they shelter it.
So it doesn't even matter.
They park it in like overseas or they park it in assets that are not even productive.
They are productive with it.
Yeah.
They do make it into more money.
Read the Panama Papers.
They are.
They're productive.
Yeah.
I mean, like, that's what I mean.
Like, real, but it just doesn't benefit the economy.
But sometimes it's not liquidity.
Yeah, yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So that's the, that's the never-ending conversation that e-comm people have, which is it's always a moral hazard if poor people get money.
Yeah.
Right.
Because they don't know what to do with it.
But if rich people get money, they've already shown that they know what to do with it because they're super, they're rich already.
Yeah, yeah.
That's fine.
Yeah.
And, you know, companies can literally build stock buybacks and also like being too big to fail as a strategy into their fucking quarterly earnings.
They're like, it doesn't matter.
What's going to happen?
Boeing is a great example.
Oh, yeah.
Are you gonna let us go out of business?
Yeah, our planes are falling.
What's up?
What are you gonna do about it?
Yeah, give us more money.
And it's true.
You have to.
You have to do that.
Or else, what are you gonna do?
Let a fucking American institution fail?
You can't do that.
Yeah.
So that's how it works.
They can do whatever the fuck they want.
Yeah, I don't think that what you're saying is that disagreeable.
I think the average person would really appreciate a lot of your thoughts.
That's what I try to communicate to people as best as possible.
Outside of your tastes in football teams, which sucks.
Yeah, I'm sorry about that.
I think a lot of the things that you're saying here have been very reasonable.
Yeah.
The thing is, it is reasonable if you like listen to me in a reason from a thing.
If you listen to me in an agreeable situation, but if you're watching fucking clip compilations of me like raging at chatters and you already have this idea that like, oh, this guy's a hypocrite socialist grifter.
Fucking like what I always say is this, bro.
If I'm good enough in media to do whatever the fuck is it.
You the grift if you want to.
Why the fuck would I pick the most annoying?
Why would I pick the broke ones?
The most annoying fan base.
Like I'm sorry.
It's just every leftist hates each other.
Like we constantly yell at one another.
It's so fucking bad.
Why would I pick the worst fucking avenue?
I could have just been like Tim Poole.
That motherfucker's boring as shit.
Doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
He's saying the right things.
And right-wingers love that shit.
They will dump funds into your fucking media operation.
Keep it.
Yeah.
You don't have to do any philanthropy.
Yeah, Benjapiro is like worth $40 million or something.
Wow.
And not a single peep out of people being like, wow, this guy's kind of a grifter, huh?
He's just saying what I want to hear.
Turns out that's the best way to grift.
Why the fuck would I grift the other way?
You don't see the Candace Owens is on the other side.
You know what I mean?
Like people are just, they're not.
That's what you have to say.
You have to say, I am the leftist Candace Owens.
Yeah.
It's so dumb.
It just doesn't make sense.
Like, I could just easily, very easily do this if I wanted to be a grifter.
I could just do it in the right wing.
Okay, last question.
All right, go on.
Smash or past Tommy Lauren.
Oh, back in the day.
Back in the day.
Yeah, Smash for sure.
She was cute.
I mean, Hasanabe.
Motherfucker builded it.
Thank you so much for coming, man.
Tell them where they can get you.
Tell them everything.
I'm live every day at twitch.tv/slash Hasanabi.
I'm live after 11 a.m. Pacific.
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And I'm sure after watching this episode, you're going to see tons of his clips show up on YouTube.
And these are all independently cut.
Yeah.
So don't fucking yell at me when like some random fan channel is like, clip this shit out.