Adam 22 and Lena the Plug dissect their OnlyFans dominance, revealing how viral hooks like Skybree's Target backstory drive hundreds of thousands in monthly revenue despite Instagram algorithm suppression. They detail grueling production realities, including accidental semen eye injuries, Viagra-dependent performers, and controversial management of figures like former pimp Sharp. While acknowledging the financial allure over student debt, they confront industry dangers ranging from online stalkers to body dysmorphia, ultimately highlighting the complex tension between normalizing adult content and navigating shifting public perceptions of greed. [Automatically generated summary]
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Watching Adam and Lena00:03:14
Are there corn trends you think are too weird?
No, like, you know, talk about like my mommy milkers and stuff like that.
Like, I'm kind of not into that.
They're saying, during the, please use the term mommy milker.
Yeah.
But I don't think you would like that.
Because your mom's Scottish.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just the accent would throw me off.
Like, to hear my mom talking about her mommy milkers like that.
Have you had your milk today?
Your phones are strong.
I can beat it.
Well, at least one of them.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to Flagrant.
Today we are joined by some folks I'm very fascinated with.
I probably message you maybe like once a week about a random YouTube clip that I'm watching.
We're with Adam 22 and Lena the Plus.
I really, I mean it sincerely.
And I feel like I just send you like random compliments, but I'll just be like watching a video and I'll be like, this guy's the greatest talent scout in the history of the internet.
Like I will send these random things to you.
Right.
And I'm wondering if you are aware of your genius zone.
It occurs to me that I'm utilizing a lot of talent from time to time that probably other people wouldn't have necessarily noticed or thought of.
But do you go, all right, I'm good at recognizing talent?
Yeah, I've definitely started to feel like that over time a little bit.
And not traditional talent.
No.
Not like, oh, this guy's funny.
He can sing, he can dance.
Like this guy, wow, this person has an interesting story.
People are going to listen.
But I don't think I can notice musical talent early on that well, like from like nothing, but I definitely think I can notice like on-air broadcasting talent.
Okay, so you're better with the podcasting than with the music.
Definitely.
Even though it started with the music.
Yeah, but I feel like I can't see an artist from nothing.
I have to see some level of development before I could start to have faith in them.
Whereas as a person, I feel like I could kind of like sign a homeless person to do a podcast.
I believe this.
Yeah.
100%.
What is it?
It's just charm, charisma.
I don't know.
It's hard to put your finger on.
Who's interesting?
I feel like who can have a real debate or a conversation on camera without, I think one of the biggest things is, can you discuss and debate ideas without it getting too serious to the point where your feelings get hurt?
Yeah.
And some of those episodes are the best, like seeing sharp spaz is incredibly entertaining too.
Yeah, but that's still like a debate.
You know, it's still a conversation.
Like the one biggest thing that I've noticed with people I've tried to put on camera is that when their feelings get hurt and they get sulky.
Nobody likes it.
Nobody likes that.
If they're passionate about debate, then it's okay.
Even anger is fine.
Yeah.
It's full of rage.
Yeah.
But as long as you can still come back to relative normalcy, I feel like that's big.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just amazing the world that you've created.
And like...
Appreciate that.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm just very impressed by it.
I'm just really impressed by it.
And I find, it's like the algorithm has decided that I'm impressed by it because I'm getting videos from fucking six months ago, just like random characters that now I'm like really fascinated.
Like I found myself Googling what happened to T-Rell's arms.
Investing in the Story00:15:13
Do you know?
And I know I'm like, I'm such a boomer asking these questions, but this is how somebody gets into the content, right?
It's one piece at a time.
I probably watched like five clips before I even recognized that his arm was a little wonky, right?
And then I'm like, oh, how'd this happen?
I'm like invested in this fucking story.
Right.
It's just like.
Motorcycle accident.
Spoiler.
Oh.
Yeah.
Saved you on Google.
Yeah.
I should have just went right to the source.
Sometimes I go right to the source.
I'm like, what happened the next one?
But yeah, it's just interesting that you do this.
And then I see what you guys have done with your relationship and I refuse to watch any of the porn.
I just want to let you guys know.
I won't watch it.
But you can't the podcast.
I watch the podcast.
They're a podcast together.
With violence.
And you stop it before the fucking.
I don't.
I watch the Instagram clips.
I watch just the Instagram clips, but I don't watch it because if we're going to hang out, I don't want to imagine it.
I don't want to see you guys.
A lot of my friends say that.
I don't want to imagine it.
I would gladly watch them.
Because we're swimming.
But would you want to watch them fuck and then come into the office?
I don't care.
I would love to see a stroke.
Shows a stroke game is true.
I don't have a stroke.
He's admitted it.
I'm on a back.
I couldn't believe it when you said you were getting married because I remember doing a podcast with you back in the day where you said that you desired to have sex once a week.
Stayed the same.
Your boy's consistent out here.
Yeah.
I mean, how many times are you fucking off camera?
Sometimes twice a week, sometimes not at all that week if you have a lot of work to do.
You know, sometimes it depends.
Sometimes we'll wake up in the morning, I'll fuck her in the bathroom before I get in the shower.
Then we'll go on set, fuck two more times, and then we'll go home and be so turned on from the day's activities that then we fucking get.
But this isn't happening, bro.
No, that's very unlike that.
Sometimes I like it.
Once a week.
They're doing once a week off camera.
You fuck like a porn star, bro.
Yeah, I fuck like y'all.
Think about that.
I might fuck more than y'all.
You can do our job.
And I do it for the love of a game, though.
You don't have a kid.
That's a good ass point.
Once you have a kid, morning sex.
Bye-bye.
Yeah.
Really?
I'm not a big morning sex guy.
I feel like that's when you're at your worst.
I used to love it.
I just, you know, yeah, I'm asexual.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What do you mean?
Why morning sex?
Well, it's just because the kid ends up in your bed every morning.
They're like, wake up before you.
You want to go back to sleep.
You bring them to the bed.
Breastfeeding.
It's not really sexy.
Yeah, you guys did the pregnancy porn too.
That was wild.
That's like the one category I don't go to.
I've never watched it either, but she was so determined she wanted to keep working up until she was like six months in.
We did one scene where she was so huge and just full of babies.
Yeah, that she was just like, you fucked up.
Emily Willis.
I was like, I'm sitting here.
I can barely breathe.
You took maturity leave, basically.
Yeah, basically.
I'm like, okay, so when I was pregnant, it was peak pandemic, and that was the best time for OnlyFans.
Like the numbers were just through the roof.
Everyone had their stimulus tracking.
You set the record, right?
I mean, those were my record months for sure.
Like, I was not going to stop working.
Yeah.
So it was just, I'm pregnant, but we're killing it with money.
And then there are people who are probably extra freaky want to see the pregnancy stuff.
Can you feel the baby kick?
Is that weird?
Like, you got your hand on it and it's like giving you a pound.
I'm just saying.
But I wouldn't want to talk about this.
What am I saying?
I'm just saying.
You know, what do people think about it?
I don't want to hear the comments.
You cannot ask.
Okay, I'm not asking you.
You can ask Adam.
Did you feel it?
I don't remember.
The truth is, I really don't remember.
Do you guys think you've completely revolutionized how people see porn?
No.
In terms of stigma, I think you have to do that.
I think the OnlyFans revolution as a whole has.
And I think she was very, very early on to be like a normal person who just started the OnlyFans.
And like the level of attention that she got when she first started was insane because it just really felt like you were a normal person who chose to do OnlyFans or private snap at the time.
And there was definitely like something about that.
Whereas I feel like the public is maybe a little disillusioned to that now, where they realize like, oh, they can make a ton of money.
That's why they're doing it.
Yeah.
I think maybe it's like the number hits and then American greed like gets like baked into our DNA.
We start seeing, oh, that's a reasonable way to make money.
Like we're totally fine with a pharmaceutical company.
We're totally fine with, I'm sure you guys have gone through these like moral gymnastics where you're like, oh, there are things that should be scrutinized, but they're not.
And this thing is very heavily scrutinized.
Well, a lot of OnlyFans girls get to like, you know, 20K a month or something and they're like, oh, I've made it.
I'm done.
We're the greedy ones who are actually like, no, how are we going to take this to the next level and really make a real fucking business out of it?
And then that's like the mentality that led us to like, well, maybe we could do a podcast that's also a porno.
And this is plug talk.
Onlyplug talk.com.
Okay, so this is, I mean, plug everything.
I'm, I, because I do it.
No, it's fun.
Okay.
Plug talk.
Plug talk.
Interview the porn star.
Uh-huh.
Have sex with her afterwards.
Yes.
Keep the mics on.
No, we switch to the boom mic, which is so annoying because it would be nice to just fuck, but you got to deal with the headset thing.
Now, do you need like, I don't know how your system works, but like, do you need to like, you need some performance enhancing drugs?
Everybody asked me that.
Come on.
I've never been like, don't lie about it.
You know?
No, I wouldn't.
Okay.
I would never want him to do them.
He doesn't do that.
Wait, why not?
Why not?
Because all those guys, when you see, like, we've had other guys come on set to fuck girls and they're like, BRB.
I'm going to do another Viagra, like in the middle of fucking.
Like, they rely on it the same way people rely on like Adderall for studying.
They feel like they can't do it without the drug anymore, you know?
You had a scene the other day where it's basically this guy and he's supposed to fuck this girl, right?
And he's, and he can't, he can't do it.
And so I'm kind of like outside smoking and chilling and thinking that they're fucking.
And then I walk in and he's sitting in the room in the corner of the kitchen by himself with his phone propped up watching porn off multiple Viagras beating his fucking limp ass dick.
Trying to get hard.
And he can't get hard to fuck this girl who is hot.
It was two girls and they were both really hot.
Yeah.
Wait, you guys will have guys with you guys too?
So sometimes we do episodes where we'll interview the girl and then for whatever reason, we'll have another guy bang her instead of me or her just to kind of spice it up.
We have this girl, Emma Magnolia, who lost her anal virginity on our show.
And I don't know, like we didn't even discuss.
You can prove that.
You can't prove.
That is a good point.
But she had been on.
You don't have to prove it.
You just say that.
But she had been on a jumper saying that she didn't.
I need authenticity, okay?
So I like it.
If you tell me T-Rell's arm really works and that this was a ruse the entire time, I'd be fucking furious at you.
That would be brilliant if we started inventing stories.
This ability is not where my mind would immediately go.
I saw him cashing checks just now.
Okay, so what happens?
What?
The situation.
Oh, so yeah, he's wait.
Does he end up fucking them or no?
Yeah, he finishes, but it's like, it's a whole thing and it gets awkward on set.
Yeah.
And it's kind of weird for me because I'm the guy who's just like managing this shoot.
And I'm thinking in my head, like, I could get hard in five fucking minutes and do your job for you right now.
And some of these guys, some of the guys do great.
Like that girl, that guy, who fucked the girl in the ass, he did great.
Some of the guys, it's just an absolute disaster.
But then you can't act judgmental or like super concerned because if you were to say like, bro, you're being a fucking Jabroni, this is insane.
Even more, it's going to be so much worse.
And the girls, some of the girls are good with it.
Some of the girls, like we had one girl who we overheard her in the other room going like, are we not hot enough?
Which is like, that's what you really don't say because then the wheels start spinning in his head.
Like, oh my God, I'm making them feel better.
Yeah.
So like, but the girls who are really cool, they'll be really nice about it and they'll start acting intimate with you.
And that's the weird thing is like a porn star girl could have a whole fucking husband at home and maybe like they're thinking that the girl's just fucking on camera.
But in reality, when she's there, it's part of her fucking job to be treating you right and jerking you off.
And I even, I interviewed one girl.
When you're not filming.
Just to get you in the zone because sometimes the guys can't get there themselves.
I interviewed one girl who was married, who was married at the time and she told me that the guy's going to get hard.
Sucking dick off camera?
No, she ate his ass for a half hour.
She ate his ass for a half hour off camera?
While texting her fucking husband.
Nah.
Yeah.
There's a limit.
I feel like you've crossed it.
That's my lie.
That's my lie.
That's crazy.
Like, I understand if it's your job, you're doing it on camera.
But if you're like jerking off the guy, we're fluffers.
That's what's fluffers.
Yeah, but if you don't help him finish, then nobody on set gets paid that day, including you.
So it's like you want him to finish and you have to help him get there.
Now, would you guys ever have a dude be in your scenes?
No.
No.
We got a one-way thing going here.
One-way thing.
I mean, we're monogamous in our private lives and then we do shit on camera with other girls.
Right.
I got too much money to have her getting dunked by some fucking linebacker.
I can't do it.
Should I use that same logic on you?
I've got too much money to let my man do this.
If you want to cancel plug talk, now is there any jealousy ever?
Good question.
It's been years, I think.
Because in the beginning.
I don't know.
Everybody.
Seven years into porn.
Yo, do you get jealous when I fuck other girls of it?
Is that like a situation?
So I think our first scene is.
So I'm saying, I can't deep throw it, but I can't deep throw like Carmen Karma.
I can't deep throw like Adriana Chechyk.
And I think.
Did you bring it up?
Yeah.
You know, like, bring that up just so we can see it.
Not her.
He made like a different sound when they were deep throating him.
And I was like, oh.
What'd you say?
It's kind of like a...
Who?
And I was like, he didn't make that sound like I do that because I can't deep throw it as well as them.
Their mouths are just way bigger than that.
It's like a genetic jaw unhinging thing that I've experienced a couple of times.
And it's not like something that I'm like looking at you on our wedding day.
I will not be staring at your eyes thinking only her jaw unhinged.
But, you know, some of the girls that we deal with are like legitimate fucking athletes.
I mean, that's why they're familiar with her superheroes, you know?
But like, I think in the beginning, I had to just deal with that sound.
I was like, okay, he likes that.
And that's okay.
I can't do it.
And that's okay.
You know, I just have to like mentally talk myself through that.
And it doesn't make me jealous anymore.
Now I'm like, good job.
Deep throat him.
He loves it.
Wait, so you can, you have that much control of your emotions?
Like, because like he doesn't remember half the girls we fuck.
If he put, if you put them in a lineup, he'd be like, oh, I can't remember.
You know, it's like, it, so it doesn't matter to me because I know it's not that serious.
She's seen how heartless I am in general, like emotionally with the girls.
I'm not one of those guys who's all like, you know, flirting with them after and I'm getting the number and I'm texting them.
Like that's just not how I am.
Like I fuck them and I fucking go in the back and I smoke a blunt and I fucking forget about it because it's just kind of work, you know?
And we do have a lot of fun.
Like obviously I'm not gay.
I'm fucking these girls.
It's fun, you know, but if you're not out of jail, I'm gay.
I'm just saying like, you know, I do really like it.
I fuck my wife seven times a week.
I'm not trying to do it the next day.
You know, it's like we do it.
It's fun.
It comes out on camera.
I feel like I'm going to beat off to this shit when I'm 50 for sure.
Yeah.
You got a nice little like playbook.
Not now, but later on, maybe.
Okay, what about a trans chick?
I don't know.
I don't think so.
To me, if you've ever had a dick, that's kind of a deal breaker.
Yeah.
That's your.
And I realize that in this day and age, that makes me a transphobic monster.
No, but I don't think it does.
Yeah, I feel like if you had a dick before, that that's kind of going to be a deal breaker.
The hole needs to come from God.
There's a way I like to put it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Right?
You know, I could see, like, there is a part of me that's like, oh, we're doing porn and we should be pushing the limits.
That's how I think of everything else.
Like, we should fuck a 400-pound woman together.
Oh, that sounds sick.
But then there's another part of me that wants to enjoy my Tuesday afternoon.
And I'm just not, you know, like, why take it there?
And knowing that the audience does not seem like they would want, like, I think they'd have to see you fuck Lizzie.
If we had to Liz, oh, yes.
But if we were to do, oh, let's like, if we did a plug talk episode where there's two gay dudes fucking afterwards, I feel like a lot of our fans would unsubscribe.
Yeah, I was going to say, we would lose a lot.
So it wouldn't really be worth it to take the risk.
What if they were like, we want to see you with this trans porn star?
Of all the comments I've read, I haven't seen anything like that yet.
Really?
Squares?
I don't know.
I just feel like we're cultivating a heterosexual audience.
Maybe we could have somebody else do it.
Yeah.
Right?
Oh, okay.
But you would have maybe reservations you wouldn't really have.
She's just scared to say it.
I'm serious.
I translated.
I'm like, don't take it rallying me over here.
Don't give a fuck.
Yeah.
Yeah, no.
She's a very nice person.
It's a real liability.
You are very nice.
We're really opposite.
Yeah.
Well, I don't think you're, I don't know.
I haven't experienced like the dickhead side, but I always see you as kind of a nice guy.
I just tell people how it feels straight up.
And I mean, why?
Have you gotten in trouble for this?
Being a dick?
I mean, yeah, for sure.
But I mean, you know, I mean, that's the weird thing with having so many people on my platform is I can't afford to pick every fight.
You know, like there's a lot of shit that I just, okay, like you're an anti-vaxxer and you're fucking throwing these crazy memes of like all this stuff in the chat.
I just have to like, you know, at a certain point, like I'm took a long time to get that.
I can't argue with 10 people in the group chat every day.
You know, it's like certain stuff.
I just have to kind of let it go at a certain point and learn that.
Yeah.
Now, are you ever concerned for your life?
No.
But I mean, yeah, sometimes.
A video.
A video popped up yesterday of Lil Housephone, I think that's his name, pulling up on you and pretending to point a gun at you when you didn't know.
Yeah.
This is on your no jumper.
Old dude, he used to love to do that to me.
He would just like run up on me and be like, give me all your money and like pretend to shove a fucking gun in my stomach in public.
And like he's now it's real.
He won't do that again because he said like, oh, like, oh, that could really happen.
Like, maybe I shouldn't be doing this.
Yeah.
I'd be more worried to be him because what if your security sees a guy run up on you?
Yeah.
So what I'm concerned about is you're making all this money doing plug talk.
At a certain point in time, do you remove yourself from the elements of danger in your life?
You have a kid now.
I feel like I'm taking the appropriate measures to avoid said danger, but I can't, you know, you got to dance in the water and try to not get wet.
Okay.
You can't just avoid the water altogether.
That was some sharp shit.
I see you, my boy.
But you don't think you'll ever just pull out and be like, yo, this is my organization.
These guys have their podcasts.
Navigating the Schizophrenic Spectrum00:06:07
They're all brilliant.
They all have their talented shows, but you're not as involved in each.
I mean, I'm already not on any of the shows besides the Tuesday at 6 p.m. one, the No Jumper show.
So it's kind of like, I already feel like I have a lot of separation.
Like sometimes I go on their shows and shit.
And like, you know, but I mean, to me, if I wasn't doing this on camera all the time, I don't know what the fuck I would be doing because this is just like the most obvious thing that even if there was no money on the line or if there was no kind of connection to success with it.
I mean, just talking on camera seems like pretty much the best thing you could be doing.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
I don't know.
I can't find anything that I would be more interested in.
And I actually feel like I gravitated towards doing this because of the fact that like, like I have friends who run clothing brands and I have a lot of respect for them.
Really, when I think about their career, they're kind of just like putting a logo on different clothes over and over and over.
And like there's a lot of creativity within that, but I also feel like I would get really fucking bored over time, whereas like talking to a different person every day is just a different challenge, you know?
I rode BMX for like 20 years.
And at a certain point, it just became like, I can't just keep going to the skate park.
I can't just keep driving around looking for a rail.
Like, this is just not keeping my mind satiated, you know?
What was the worst interview you ever did?
I mean, the one that comes to mind is when I interviewed Boonk, and this is when we used to do everything live.
And he shows up and he's like blackout, drunk, or on pills or something.
Don't tell people who Boonkang is.
Boonk was this dude who in maybe 2016, 17, et cetera, he became viral because he would go on Instagram and he would like go to steal something.
Yeah, he would grab a piece of fruit or, you know, a hamburger from your fucking restaurant and then run away and scream Boong Gang into the camera.
And this is like early Instagram.
Everybody's incredibly impressed by this.
And he was getting fucked up on drugs at this time.
And we had an agreement for him to do an interview, but we're live.
And he shows up and I have almost no staff.
There's like one guy smoking the blunt in the parking lot.
Right.
And like, I don't, I can't get him to not come on camera.
I keep telling him, no.
Like, I'm not doing this.
Like, get the fuck out of here.
I'm not interviewing you like this.
And he's like, come on, come on.
We're going to do it.
He's like, he's done.
And then he sits down.
He does this interview.
It's so fucking stupid.
It's just him repeating himself over and over.
And then when he gets up to leave, he fucking collapses and smashes his forehead on the wall.
And like, I'm in Hawaii the next like week.
And some fucking waiter is like, I loved when that guy passed out.
He was headed.
That was a big moment of me realizing like the dumbest thing that ever happens on my show is going to be way more viral than a great conversation.
But like that kind of thing, like I remember there's a New York rapper Sosa geek that I interviewed.
I watched some other interviews with him and he seemed super full of life and like just so full of energy.
And then I interviewed him and he comes in with a big ass bottle of lean and it was just like you know just nothing to offer.
Like I was just like, why couldn't you have given me the Molly version of yourself?
Yeah, you're not against drugs.
I mean, if you're going to take an upper and come on the podcast, that's all right, Blindby.
I mean, you know, is there a drug that makes for a better interview?
Yeah, Coke, Molly, all that shit.
You're going to be like a fucking lunatic on camera.
That would be great.
Oh, wow.
And I've had some spaced out like mushroom experiences.
Weed can sometimes get you there, you know, not Andrew so much, but I'm out.
I can't do it.
Like, you don't even feel high right now.
No.
You just smoked before.
But the downers on camera, oh, like, I don't want the people I interview to take fucking ecstasy and shit because obviously it's very dangerous.
But if they had to.
If they did, if you're going to do something, I would rather you go on that side of the spectrum.
Whereas I've had people come on on Xanax and talking like five words per minute.
You've never had anyone like too drunk, right?
Just like no one comes on.
I feel like drinking would be the most obvious thing to do when you go on podcast, but it's because you don't have all call it your space here.
Yeah, I never see people really drink.
I guess the Crit Mac guy, and that was fascinating to see that bubble up.
Well, he's dipping levels of like drunkenness, stonedness, and just on the like the schizophrenic spectrum.
Oh, is he?
Yeah, he's talked about being schizophrenic before.
So like he could kind of just come in a completely different version of him on any given day, which is really fun.
Yeah.
The one that stands out to me of people getting too drunk was we met these girls on the street at the store.
Yeah.
We started talking to them.
They're like big fans and they want to fuck.
And this is back in the day before the...
They just came up and propositioned you.
She wasn't there.
So I get on FaceTime.
I'm like, yo, these girls are cute and they want to fuck.
And she comes through.
We're on the podcast.
And as soon as they said they wanted to hang out like that, I fucking sent one of the employees to the store to buy a bottle of Hennessy.
Within maybe 10 minutes of the podcast starting, one of them was in the bathroom puking her fucking face off.
And then the other ones tried to abandon her and leave her with us.
And I was like, I don't want her here anymore.
You have to take her away.
And so that was a real learning experience about alcohol on the podcast.
And did you guys kill those girls?
What?
No.
They went on the podcast back.
Oh, you had them back on?
A few times.
Oh, okay.
That's right.
I got like a meme in No Jumper with Blackout Girls.
The Blackout Girls.
I got a cease and assist from fucking Tristan Thompson because they're talking about banging him while he was married to what's her name, Kardashian.
Yeah.
He's cheated?
Really?
He's sent cease and desists.
His legal team got in touch.
Yeah.
Fucking A. Who's the biggest cornball that you've experienced in Hollywood?
I don't want you to actually get in trouble.
You don't have to say anything, but I'm just like, I imagine you're interacting with these people and you have a certain like, you have a level of like connection, but you don't rely on them for anything so you can actually be real with them.
Right.
And then you get to see if someone's corny or not.
Is anybody like really let you down?
Anybody in the industry?
Like, is there anybody that you are really excited to meet and you're like, oh, fuck, this is all fabrication?
Like, sure.
I'm combing the inside of my brain, trying to think of somebody I could name that I wouldn't get.
I don't want to get you into a situation.
Yeah, it sounds like a leading question.
I don't want you, but I am curious because there are very few people that are in Los Angeles that are not directly plugged into Hollywood.
But I interview almost nobody who's tapped into that world.
Hollywood's Biggest Cornballs00:03:21
Like, I don't even, I don't know.
No, no, no.
Some musicians, I think.
Sometimes, but most of the musicians I interview are really like not on that type of time.
Like a lot of our biggest, like my biggest interview this year, I got 3 million views from interviewing this dude, 1090 Jake, who's a white blood from Massachusetts.
That's another thing I text you about.
I'm like, I'm just watching white gang members.
I was just, the 1090 Jake, the Milk Gang guy, Pino.
I'm seeing them all beef with each other and I'm watching their shit.
It's unbelievable.
1090 Jake, just for the people at home, and shout out to Pino, because I think he's a good guy, but he basically was able to go into the legal system and spend money to obtain a copy of a 13-year-old interrogation that this dude Pino had done where he had got arrested for somebody was stealing something.
And he's basically snitching in the video.
He's like telling on some girl that was involved with it or whatever.
And 1090J got a 13-year-old video of him in the back of a police station doing this interview and made a YouTube video about it, which that really tells you a lot about what's going on in this YouTube world.
Because I mean, if you were to get pulled into a police station and they were talking to you about something tomorrow, are you even thinking that there's a chance that that video becomes public?
Adam, I'm snitching.
Right.
Let me just tell you.
But like 13 years later, like that just really blew my mind.
The level of this bullshit has really changed.
Yeah.
I mean, there's money there.
When there's money there, people are going to keep making the videos.
Yeah.
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What I'm curious about is like, do you have to uphold the code?
Like you're doing these pods with all these gang members.
Street Shit and Gangs00:04:33
They have their own code.
Do they look at you like a square and they go, okay, you don't have to operate like this?
Or because you're operating with them, you have to uphold it.
I think there's a lot that's expected of me in terms of just.
Not, you know, obviously, if I were to talk to a cop about something that was said on my podcast, like, but, but.
Can you hang with bloods?
Oh, yeah.
So even the dudes that you, you, you roll with that are crip or cold.
They don't expect any of that kind of shit from you.
Okay.
No.
And even most of the Crips in LA don't have problems with the blood specifically.
It's like set per set.
Yeah.
It's like they'll have a problem with this neighborhood and this neighborhood and a bunch of Crip neighborhoods, et cetera.
It's not like Crips versus Bloods at all.
Yeah.
But yeah, no, like, I mean, but okay, this is one thing.
A lot of people think that I'm having conversations off camera with rappers about street shit that they would never say on camera, which I also consider that kind of part of the code that when I know that Fredo Bang and NBA Youngboy, for instance, like people around them have killed each other, basically.
They're like both parts of opposing gangs.
There's all kinds of murders tied to the beef between them and stuff.
I'm very close with Fredo Bang, had a lot of long in-depth conversations with him.
Never has it crossed my mind to be like, okay, who killed Youngboy's cousin?
Who killed this guy?
Like I don't ask them that kind of shit.
And I don't think they would tell me if I asked, but I don't ask that kind of stuff because it's like, why do I need to know that?
You know, and yeah, me as a rap fan, I would like to know, but I don't, I don't cross that line.
So I don't feel like even if there's a cop in my face trying to get me to tell him everything I know incriminating about rappers, I can't really think of almost anything that I know that isn't already out there.
It's like, just I don't really wade into like wanting to know that kind of stuff.
That's crazy.
Has an interview ever been used in a deposition?
Not mine.
I heard about a Nick Cannon interview being used against AR Ab, I believe, who's doing like 50 years right now.
Yeah, the Philly.
Yeah, we interviewed him once on Idiots.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
I think we had AR Ab on Idiots once.
ARAB, I don't want to call him an idiot, but if you go watch the videos of him snitching on himself, it is mind-blowing.
Hopefully there's never another person who snitches on themselves like that in interviews because he's really in some of these old interviews being like, I robbed so-and-so for these bricks and I fucking like ordered this and that.
And it's like, just search ARAB snitching.
It's like some of the most mind-blowing shit you'll ever see on YouTube.
Okay.
Now that they're using the lyrics to get these dudes in court.
Crazy.
How much does the music change?
One.
And two, will we ever see real street rappers again?
Yeah.
I mean, I think they'll always find a way around it because a lot, a lot of it's like really coded language.
Like when I look at some of the Instagram stories or whatever from these dudes in the Bronx who are like the craziest drill rappers ever.
Yeah.
To a normal person, you would not read this and think that this was like basically them talking about murder.
Yeah.
But they use like a lot of really weird slang and shit that it would be very, and that's not just for the courts.
That's because, you know, if you were to write like, I so-and-so killed your brother on your Instagram story, it'll probably get taken down, right?
Right.
But if you write like something more coded and use slang and shit like that, like, so a lot of times I'm reading the shit and I have to read over it like two or three times before I'm like, ah, that's what they're getting at.
Or even like we've put out videos where there was Kay Flock, who's currently facing a murder or whatever.
Like he, he had a vlog that we did.
And on one of it, one of the dudes around him is saying, hey, we smoking Rah-Rah.
And then I find out that Rah-Rah is this like 16-year-old kid in the Bronx who got murdered.
Oh, I thought it was weed when you said that.
Well, yeah, but they call their, they say that they put their dead ops in a blunt, right?
So at this time, when I heard that, I didn't know that they were talking about it.
And I mean, you know, I don't really want to like celebrate that.
I probably would have bleeped his name if I had been able to because that shit is just like low.
But you have no idea.
I didn't know at that time.
You're just like agreeing with him on video.
You're like, yeah, we are.
And you're like, oh, no.
I don't want to be cut things out if you think it'll get the person in trouble.
Because I know like Vlad used to take slack for that.
Sometimes if it seems over the line.
Or we'll cut it out if it's like, I just don't want my platform to be used for like.
actually aggravating gang beats.
If a rapper wants to sit there and say, I have a problem with this rapper and here's why, that's that's one thing.
If a rapper is going to sit there and say fuck blank and there's all these words for different gangs that like, you know, you're not really even supposed to say or whatever.
I mean, the obvious ones is that Crips call bloods slobs and bloods call cribs crabs.
Obsession with Clout00:04:11
Right.
And so like, you know, I would never let somebody say that kind of shit on the podcast.
Because it's just instigating.
It's like almost guaranteed to cause bloodshed.
You know, so it's like, there's stuff like that.
If you want to say, I don't like this rapper or I don't like this guy over here, whatever, that's one thing.
But when they're throwing this like whole, because that's like the kind of thing that's just going to aggravate so much tension.
People start pulling up to the studio.
You guys are potentially in danger.
Yeah.
How are you not more worried about that?
I'm more.
I don't think they're going to worry about it.
They're so dumb.
But I don't want to be a part of it either.
You say that.
Yeah.
I mean, obviously, but like I could see somebody doing something dumb for clout.
Like you see people doing dumb shit for clout all the time.
You know, and it's like, I don't understand how you're just so calm about everything.
I want to know what your life like is.
He's a hard man to argue with.
No, besides arguing, just like in life.
Like, what, like, how do you not, do you get anxious?
Are you?
Yeah.
I mean, every time he leaves for work, like little scenarios go through my head.
And when he comes home, I'm like, okay.
Everything's fine.
Everything's fine.
Everything's okay.
And especially after the like, you know, it was a fake gun, the incident on Melrose.
But like, that was definitely scary.
Yeah.
But, you know, we live even with like even with like, like, I'm sure there are people like get obsessed with you, like with the porn stuff.
Like, do you worry about that?
Like, people creep in, trying to like, I worry a lot about like the people who pretend to be me online and then will convince someone that they're in love with me and they have a relationship with me.
And, you know, they'll use like photos of me and my daughter and act like we're like some poor family.
We need money.
And then, you know, they'll discover me online and they'll think like, but like I was in love with you this whole time.
And so they'll send me crazy amounts of emails and I just have them all in a harassment folder.
Like I just collect them so that if I ever needed to use them for a police report, I could.
But that's the kind of shit that does scare me.
I mean, I haven't had been like.
She doesn't have like the real stuff.
Yeah.
I haven't had any like weird following situation going on like that, but it's always like some guy in the middle of America who's like was sending me money and thinks that like we have a real relationship.
Whoa.
And he's not actually sending you money.
No, he's sending it to probably a dude.
He's just fucking straight to a dude who's checking on him.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
There was a guy that pulled up to my apartment building that happened to him.
And he's come multiple times.
Wow.
Came multiple times, somehow got into the apartment.
He was like knocking on the fucking apartment door.
And he's like, no, I we're engaged.
Like I gave her $20,000 so she can do this.
He came with luggage and everything.
Wait, does it someone else that lived in the building?
And the person that opened the door, like, I don't know who the fuck you're talking about.
Like, I'm a guy.
This girl doesn't live here at all.
That's crazy.
So this shit is real.
This shit happens a lot.
So much.
I mean, every day on Instagram, Instagram will suggest to me to follow a page that is using fake photos of me.
Like it's that.
You would like these pictures.
I just block them.
And I had a girlfriend before her who was like kind of like a much less known influencer.
She had like 10,000 followers.
And she had a stalker that was so bad.
He was showing up at her house, showing up at her work, like the craziest shit.
And she was very much like not that well known.
And this guy just invented this scenario in his head.
And this is so early in her career is like, you know, doing shit on camera.
And it was, it was nuts.
And it was nuts for me because I lived on the other side of the country.
She lived over here and I couldn't do anything about it.
You know, yeah.
Fuck, you're powerless.
Yeah.
It's a weird feeling.
I mean, you could have moved her to LA or the Middle East.
Yeah.
Even better.
He'll never find her there.
Wait, are you popular in Armenia?
I feel like Armenians have a weird relationship with my job.
It's the same thing with Kim Kardashian.
I think most Armenians are like proud that she's put Armenia on the map as a real place that you can barely find when you look for it.
But then she got her start like with a sex tape.
So, and they're very conservative.
I actually got an email recently that scared me.
It was like, I'm surprised the Armenians haven't given you, showed you your lesson yet because Armenians can get very aggressive.
And like, there's Armenian gangs and stuff that are sketchy.
Very early on, she said, hey, I know you joke around a lot.
I know you make fun of different groups, et cetera.
Don't disrespect the Armenians.
You just got to say.
They don't play.
Mede kunimboza.
You just got to say that.
Something about fucking your mom.
Armenia on the Map00:14:25
Oh, I'm not going to say it.
Italian mafia type.
We're all talking about language.
You know, these gangs are going to speak very cryptically.
Yeah, I wonder.
Like, I don't know.
Hey, you guys have just such an interesting relationship.
You're doing all these things, operating these spaces that are like supposedly taboo, yet with so much normalcy in the way that you treat each other and the way you treat everyone around you.
So it's hard to not pay attention.
It starts not looking like, I'm so curious, like your kid, like, are you going to have, what standards are you going to have for your kid?
What rules are you going to have that they can't break?
Like, what would they be okay?
Would you be okay if your kid was in a game?
Would you be okay?
Yes.
Really?
I would encourage it.
See what I'm saying?
Like, like, no, I mean that.
Like, okay.
Not okay to be in a gang.
Not okay.
And even porn or even doing OnlyFans, like, I'm sure these are things that you're going like, okay, I'm going to get asked this.
They might ask.
Luckily, we got about 18 years before I got across that bridge.
But yeah.
I mean, I think if she wanted to do, you know, her thing, I would guide her in like a way that I would watch out for her.
I would hope she would choose something different just because of the stigma and because of the fact that like every girl I know who does OnlyFans and porn has body dysmorphia, has like an anorexia, has some sort of thing where it's like you're really focusing on your physical appearance so much to the point where I feel like it's kind of bad for your mental health.
And I won't put that on every single girl, but almost all the girls that I talk to.
And really, it's like a, just a common thing in LA.
But that is something that I fear for about her.
Even with just like, you know, someone approached me about like child modeling when she was six months old.
And I was kind of like, do I want her to audition her face?
Like already?
Sorry, you didn't get it.
Why?
You're not pretty enough as a student.
Exactly.
And so it's like, I don't want to necessarily like teach her those values.
I want her to know that she's creative and intelligent.
But if she was like, mom, this is exactly what I want to do.
This is why I want to do it.
And this is my plan.
And I'm going to be safe or whatever.
Like, how, who am I to tell her like, no, you cannot do that?
You know, when I did that.
Imagine having that conversation of like, listen, no, you have to go to law school and we're going to spend $80,000 a year for you to do to maybe get a job as a clerk.
And then you're going to make like $80,000 a year and you're going to have all this student debt.
I guess we're going to pay that.
So she wants to have student debt.
But like, I do imagine that kind of being a hard conversation at a certain point.
But I mean, I don't know.
Like, I would just hope that they would go down a lot of different roads and try different things before they decide to make that decision.
Cause we see a lot of chicks who get into OnlyFans at 18.
Fucking day up.
And that to me, I mean, but then you talk to a lot of girls like, and you realize that they were planning on it since they were 15 or like they always felt like they knew that they wanted to do this, which even that is kind of like, wow, what a fucking society we live in.
I'm so glad I didn't get into it till I was 25.
Like I went to college.
I graduated.
I almost went to grad school.
I just like lived a very different life than life I have now.
And it was a very, you know, direct decision that I was going to do this thing.
It wasn't like, oh, that looks like it could be fun and glamorous.
You know, it wasn't like dangled in front of me in that way of like, oh, look at my car I got from OnlyFans.
She was a blue-haired lesbian for a long time.
I did not have this.
No, in college, you know.
But I was like a hairy chick that didn't shave.
And like, you know, that's a lesbian.
That's how it works.
I did have a girlfriend.
I was a lesbian.
Yeah.
Wait, really?
Yeah.
I had a girlfriend for like all of college.
All four years of college.
And then he turned you back to guys?
No.
No, that was a good idea.
A bunch of other guys turned it back to guys.
Then I got a lot of business.
And then I got wiped up.
She said that the other day that she is so thankful that I didn't introduce her to the idea of OnlyFans because if I had introduced her to it, then she would have always had to wonder like, like, did I really choose this?
Yeah, you know, for myself.
Because I do see it with some people where it's like maybe the guy's in porn and then it gets the girl in.
Of course.
And probably the porn thing is like better than what she was doing before.
She was just working for an hourly wage somewhere.
Yeah.
But, you know, I would always make me wonder, like, did I do this for myself?
Like, could I be honest?
The dysmorphia thing that you brought up is interesting because like you see women's bodies changing and like the expectation of how they should look changing, right?
Like even like lips or cheeks or all these like fillers and these types of things.
And it's like a girl who doesn't have it seems like she's missing something for the category.
And I'm just wondering if like the average girl going into porn already sets up what she's going to get done.
Like oh, for sure.
For sure.
Well, I think, first of all, a lot of the girls who get into porn or have gotten into porn previously started as strippers.
And that's like a number one place where you're like, oh, well, she's getting more tips because she has boobs.
I don't have boobs.
So I'm going to save up my money and I'm going to get that.
But like, we were just talking about how here, like the plastic surgery and the filler thing is way different than in LA.
Like LA, every girl has filler in her lips.
And if you don't have it, like, I feel like I kind of stand out as someone who doesn't have really massive lips.
Yeah.
And it's weird.
So like, yeah, there is a standard.
Why do you say in New York, it's not as way less fake tits and shit.
It's very interesting.
And even the way that girls dress here, like everything's super baggy.
Like it's almost like usually.
So it's like baggy in the summer.
But we know some porn girls who clearly, you know, they treat their fucking face like a, like a guy who's really into cars, treats his car.
It's like they want to do every single thing that they possibly can to make their face prettier.
You know, she's done barely anything to her body or face.
You don't have my schedule.
I'm like, oh, I'm going to get wrinkles in three months.
I got to get that.
Cause it shows.
It's like everything to make yourself look more youthful because it's your career.
I mean, that's why like having a kid and then coming back was really hard.
Like, were you, were you worried a little bit?
I feel like I'm going to be more worried on baby number two.
I'm like, I put my body through the ringer and she still looks pretty good.
But what happens the second time around?
You know, like, how many times can you get inflated and then deflate?
Yeah, because I've been amazed at the level.
I mean, and she eats super fucking healthy and she exercises like crazy.
Yeah.
Like I was now, but she got her waist small again so fucking fast.
But, you know, a lot of girls are just, they're just literally tuning themselves up every couple months.
And you see how they get fucking pathological about it at a certain point.
And sometimes they look great, but you're also just like, you could have not done all that stuff.
And you still would have looked great.
I'll have like a fucking 20-year-old girl on the Patreon or whatever talking about her body and how, and she looks fucking great.
None of us would even think that she should get surgery and she's like, no, I'm going to get a BBL.
And it's like, you know, you can do that at 25.
You can do that at 28, 30.
You're 20.
Are you able to digest against it?
Like, it was that stepping on.
But it doesn't work for someone who has the mindset already.
Like their whole life and waiting to get a nose job or whatever it is.
Like you're really not going to be able to convince them.
And I do agree that like if it makes that person happier, then, you know, they should be able to do whatever they want.
But it is.
A slippery slope.
When you come in and you feel like you have to make yourself stand out and go crazier crazier, that's where it gets tricky.
It's like make yourself happier, but if the happiness is a goalpost that continues to move yeah, then you're gonna be carved up.
And the most beautiful girls in the industry are the most fucked.
They're like I need a forehead shortening surgery, like things i've never even heard of before, and i'm like, are you kidding me?
Like you're, I could use that unbelievably.
I actually could probably.
Don't make them surgeries that just don't exist.
I'm like, how could you possibly think that about yourself?
But i'm, i'm not like any better.
You know i'll look in the mirror and be like, oh, if only you know what I mean.
And so that's what that's.
My fear about someone getting into the industry is like the things that I have to deal with and other girls have to deal, don't you guys manage some of the girls?
Now we have a couple girls yeah, and so are you like coaching them?
Like hey, you guys don't need to do this, to?
No, because the first girl that we signed is a great example of that.
This girl, Sky Breeze.
She's from Pennsylvania.
She's just like perfect right, her body is amazing and you know she's definitely like having conversations with other girls and I don't know if she's really mentioned it to you, but you know we have to kind of like remind her like you look great, like maybe think about getting surgery years because she's a beautiful girl.
Yeah, you look at her in person and you're like no one's dimensions and proportions are actually supposed to really look like this in person.
Like I could see a model in a magazine being a little more modified to look that way.
But she really looks like that in person and she's so tall.
While we get her up um, have you ever thought about just gaming?
Like I feel like if you're a hot chick and you play video games, you just are rich.
They have that already.
I mean, how many do it?
A lot of the girls in the industry are really getting into twitch, but it takes so much time.
Like, think about parenting her as a mom like I.
I think that would be probably like one of the main things I would suggest you do is just stream on twitch or youtube regularly.
But I mean, being a mom geez, it's not efficient, you know.
Yeah, so that's like why I hated camming and things like that.
The, the making the videos and just selling them over and over again makes a lot more sense.
Yeah, I guess, and Twitch like makes it hard, like they can't be in bikinis and stuff like that.
There are some girls that are really uh, toe in the line and they're doing really well.
Are you back on Instagram yet?
It depends on what day you ask me.
Right now I have eight instagram.
It's not my original instagram, but yeah, it's like every day i'll wake up and it's gone.
Why did uh ask Instagram?
I don't know.
She had Lena.
The plug got it up to like three and a half million that disappeared one day.
She's gone through hell trying to get it back.
Not sure where that stands, but she has at free len of the plug, which is up some of the time, but it's like it's it's just.
Instagram makes it So unbelievably easy for people to game the algorithm and target girls that they don't like.
So, so many girls in the porn industry, even and I know there's a lot of girls who get deleted just because they're fucking dumb and they upload all kinds of crazy shit, nudity, they link directly to their OnlyFans, et cetera.
But there's a fuckload of girls, including the biggest girls in the game, who just don't really post anything particularly explicit, but dudes have a grudge against them or whatever, and they're able to target them and get them taken down.
And Instagram just has no answer to this.
They refuse to acknowledge it.
They refuse to do nearly anything about the problem.
And the problem is that there's this whole like shadowy underworld of dudes charging money to get girls their Instagrams back, either because they know a Facebook employee or whatever.
And I mean, a lot of this has been well documented.
I had a girl named Kitty on my podcast who told me all about how she got her Instagram deleted.
So she goes on LinkedIn.
She starts finding a bunch of different Facebook employees and then systematically banging them until one of them got her Instagram back.
Yeah.
And then let's go.
This became a huge story.
Taylor Lorenz tweeted about it.
All of a sudden, everybody's fucking covering it.
And then guess what happens?
She gets her Instagram deleted.
I knew that was going to happen from the second the story went out.
Yeah.
I kind of almost felt bad putting it out since I was pretty sure that that was going to happen.
She got an OnlyFans spike for this.
At least she got, yeah, she got a bunch of attention from it, but it's like the system is so fucked up.
Adam Moriarty, give me a fucking meeting.
Is he the guy from the head of Instagram?
And like, he went on the breakfast club and it was just like the most tell Charlamagne.
It was pathetic because they just, if they could have had me sitting there like a, like Tim Poole when they went broke it in me at the Twitter and said, yeah, dude, I could have fucking laid into him because there's so much bullshit that happens.
Well, you know what happened to Duval too?
What?
Duval's Instagram gets taken down every week.
Right.
And there's nothing he can do about it.
He's spoken to them exact same situation.
I think that some people get a target on their back.
Yes.
And I think they don't even try.
Yeah.
So I think they don't even try to make sure that you can exist.
I get deleted for impersonating myself all the time.
What?
Yeah.
So I have like a photo of a heart as my default picture so that you can't target me for impersonation because it's like not me.
There's this guy.
Wow.
There's this guy, Yola.
He has a podcast.
Is this Kitty?
That's Kitty.
God damn.
I thought it was Yon Me Park.
You know who's Yeom Mee Park?
No, I don't, but it sounds funny.
The North Korean defector who got the huge tits who was on Rogan, the eight rats.
Oh, what?
I didn't know about that.
You didn't see that?
No.
Bring up Yon Me and them soups.
This dude, YOLA, he's on his 28th Instagram just for being a dude who smokes weed.
Yeah, that's too much.
They just take him down all left and right.
He barely posted anymore and they just won't let him exist.
She defected?
Yeah.
Yeah, she's hot as shit.
Yep.
Yeah, she did that, bro.
Yeah, you got to sign her.
I don't know if that's a yo.
Can we get Yeon Mee Park on OnlyFans?
I would love to.
She has some nice boobs.
She seems like she could do great.
Yeah.
No, she's crushing.
She's absolutely crushing.
Okay, so you guys are in the city for how long?
A week.
Yeah, we're leaving Wednesday at six.
When do you guys get to just do shit, you know, with y'all?
Like, go to dinner, like do vacation.
Like, what is it?
We haven't taken any vacations, just us two.
Yeah, so we got a bunch of trips this summer and we came out here with my mom because with the kid, it's like I know we needed to get your mom on.
Yeah, we had a whole thing planned.
Can we talk about that?
Yeah, tell them.
All right.
So I had this big idea because I've never had a conversation with my mom about the fact that we do porn.
And so I text Andrew and you never had a conversation.
She 100% knows.
She totally gets it.
And she just kind of chooses to turn a blind eye to.
She's very, very polite.
She says she's never even watched one of your podcasts.
So it's not like she's not just paying attention to the porn.
Yeah, because even her watching me like swear and smoke weed, she might not be super hyped on watching that.
But anyway, I told Andrew, I go, I have an idea.
It's my mom's birthday.
Today, my mom's birthday.
Happy birthday, mom.
And I said, happy birthday.
Let's have my mom come on the podcast and you can ask her about me doing porn for the first time, embarrass the shit out of her, do some real Bam Margera shit.
And then I basically told, I guess, my sister or my brother-in-law, they were so worried about how she might react that they spoiled the fucking joke and told her.
She's the nicest lady.
She's a retired man.
Dude, you should still wish her a happy birthday.
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Yeah, yeah.
I think we should call her, bro.
I wanted to bring some Bam Margera energy to the city.
She wanted to punk me.
Can you believe it?
I did it, dude.
So she's aware.
Can I ask?
Parker might be sleeping.
No, don't, don't, don't, don't go crazy.
Just ask me.
I'm just going to ask him to say happy birthday.
You know, close to him, like.
Okay.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
We have to talk about you being in the Illuminati also, remember?
Oh, yeah, okay.
I feel like old people don't answer their phone.
All right, we'll see if she calls back.
So, okay.
Tell me about how you're in the Illuminati.
What?
Because he's part of it, dude.
He's part of like, you know, the whole Clinton mafia.
So break the whole thing down.
My pops.
Do you not know this?
You haven't heard about this?
You don't subscribe.
Illuminati.
She doesn't know.
Anyway, he's bona fide Illuminati.
What?
I take back my engagement ring.
You just wanted to show off the ring.
Oh, I take back this ring.
My dad was kind of like a low-level Democratic operative, like, you know, helping people's campaigns early on.
In the early 90s, 90s.
He was an alderman in the city of Nashville, New Hampshire.
You know, it's kind of like as low as you could really be on the local governance tunnel poll, but he was doing his thing and he wanted to be mayor or something.
He figured he could turn it into something.
We have a real skeptic on our hands here.
Can we bust out some conspiracy corner?
Oh, okay.
No, hold on, hold on.
This is, wait for it.
And action.
Okay, go.
Okay.
As you were.
As you were, Mr. 22.
Okay, New Hampshire.
A low-level operative.
Yeah.
You kind of have to win New Hampshire in the primaries, at least then, if you wanted to have a shot at winning the presidency.
It's kind of important then to be a low-level operative in New Hampshire, right?
He was clever enough or lucky enough to serve on Bill Clinton's first election campaign, you know, in New Hampshire.
Helped him win New Hampshire.
Yeah.
Probably realistically didn't play that big a role in it.
Probably not.
Probably not.
Probably had nothing to do with it.
You know what I mean?
Last name is Grand Mason.
Probably had nothing to do with it.
And then my dad caught a charge, a federal charge, for mail fraud because he allegedly was using his role as an alderman to basically get the construction company that he was employed by work, get jobs.
What's an alderman for us dummies?
It's just basically like a really, really low.
It would be like a senator for a tiny city helping to make decisions or whatever.
And he allegedly was using his power to get more work for his boss.
The way he told me is basically that like the feds wanted to get his boss and that he wouldn't snitch on him.
So he ends up having to do a plea deal.
He does one year in federal prison around 1995.
And then when Bill Clinton leaves, when he leaves office, Bill Clinton issues a series of presidential pardons, as they do.
He issued like 30, I think, 40 pardons.
Of all the people that Bill Clinton met in his life that went to prison, he chose to pardon someone who was already out of prison.
But it made it so that he was no longer a felon and he could vote, which was very important to my dad.
Wow.
Helped him kind of clear up his name there.
I would assume my dad has, you know, not talked to Bill Clinton since or probably before that for like maybe 10 years.
But has he been on the plane?
Federal Prison Pardons00:10:15
There's been a lot of talk of that.
He never knew Epstein.
He never went to the island.
Oh, my gosh.
You're hearing about this for the first time?
I'm just like, like, the plane.
Somebody made a YouTube video.
Somebody made a YouTube video about him in the Illuminati.
I thought it was just because your last name had Mason in it.
That probably is.
Grand Mason.
Like, they're not even hiding it.
They're audacious.
Yeah, it does mean big house.
But who's invited to the big house?
Should I not change my last name when we get married?
No, you absolutely.
I've been thinking about avoiding it.
And that is how you will join the Illuminati.
And then I'll get to tell you about all the cool shit we got going on.
That's how he has the connections to all these different people.
You remember the Stone Cutters?
The Masons?
No, the Stone Cutters from The Simpsons?
No.
Damn.
Why go?
No, it's just like Homer had like a giant boulder chained to him and shit.
It was like the best episode ever.
When he could drive underneath the whole city with traffic.
Oh, really?
It's like you find out in the episode that everybody in the whole town is in the secretive group.
Called the Stone Cutters.
The Stone Cutters.
Hilarious.
This is this awkward thing where you tell somebody about a really funny episode of a TV show.
They're not cultured in any way, so they have no idea what you're talking about.
And then we just project the insecurity to find out what they're doing.
When you two are walking around New York, who gets noticed more frequently?
Really?
I did have some Lena the plug when I was on the phone with my dad, though, and I was like, her content is kind of secretive.
Not even that.
Like, they can't run up.
Like, we had Daisy Taylor on the podcast.
You know, Daisy Taylor?
She's a trans porn star.
Right.
And it's like, she said, like, people will notice her and then make like a knee-jerk reaction to be like, Daisy, and then catch themselves because they're admitting they like trans porn.
So like, I imagine people notice you and they're about to be like, Lena.
And they're like, with their girl?
And they're like, oh, yeah, does that, does that happen?
A guy will see you and be like, like, double take three times.
It did happen to me the other day.
And then the guy saw me later and was like, I like your work, but like you're YouTube too.
I was like, it's okay.
Try to be fine.
Yeah.
It's fine.
I just like, I like yourself.
What is the best way to be a porn fan?
Yeah, how do you compliment a porn star the best?
I think just saying, hi, I like your work is totally fine.
When you're like kind of weird and like, oh my God, like, just don't get it.
Yeah, don't tell me that happens.
That happens in front, in front of you.
Like, you are the hot.
No, not in front of me, but like.
At the porn convention, yeah, there's some big fans over here.
At the porn convention, you see all kinds of stuff.
All bets are off for sure.
I feel like an elephant tamer when I'm at the porn because I'm like walking her around and rushing her through like groups at the end.
Guys are still like ready to propose.
It's so weird.
Yeah.
But I know I'm halfway famous because I see a ton of people googling me right in front of my face.
They'll look up.
Yeah, yeah.
They'll be like at a distance on their phone and glancing up at me.
I know they're googling me.
And like kids come up to me with like YouTube with like they'll search no jumper and they'll be like, this is you.
And that's always kind of weird.
I'm like, I mean, it's cool.
It's nice, but I know it's not 100% clicking with him.
No, it's clicking.
Yeah, a little clicking.
They know what it is.
Now, have you ever been asked if you're a waiter because somebody recognized you but didn't know where from?
Wait, what?
Like sometimes people go, like their brain is just trying to understand how they know you.
So they position you as another job and then they go, oh no, I watch you and your wife fuck.
Oh.
No, not a waiter.
Has it happened to you?
Yeah.
Like different jobs.
Well, you look much more like a waiter than he does.
Is this a jacket?
Is this a jacket?
It would never be higher.
Can you tell me how your hair grew back?
Oh, I got surgery on it.
Yeah.
T-Rel did too.
I'm going to air him out.
Air him out.
We have a bunch of homies who did it.
So I feel like the whole like porn world kind of rubbing off on went to Turkey or you went to...
No, I went to Beverly Hills.
And it was just, I mean, this is amazing.
He got a fucking deal.
He got that for free in Turkey, by the way.
Who?
T-Rell.
Oh, I didn't know he went.
Yeah.
But he has to go to another country.
That seems like a lot of work.
That's what I'm saying.
Well, it's crazy cheap.
Actually, someone took a funny picture of like people coming back from Turkey to flight back.
Right.
It's just a bunch of guys.
I've actually had it done twice.
So I got it.
First time it didn't stay.
No, it worked, but then I needed more.
And it's like the first time I did it, there's two different types.
There's one where they slice a strip of skin out the back of your head.
You did the micros.
And then the second one I did where they remove a bunch of individual follicles.
You see this?
Rub them?
You can't see the scarf.
You can't.
And I got a big fucking tattoo back there over it instead of healed.
Yeah, but uh, it stayed though, dude.
It's crazy.
The surgery is getting so good.
I want to get it again.
But the follicle one, let's talk about that again.
Oh, yeah.
Dumb is ready to go.
He's got a fried neck.
The individual follicles, I mean, it doesn't hurt that bad.
Like, they give you a bunch of painkillers.
I was still hiding it from my fucking employees and everything when I did it.
So I didn't go into work for a week.
I just sat on the couch and watched TV.
And then I go back into work.
Nobody fucking noticed.
And then one day we're on the podcast, and one of my homies, AD, was just like, just admit it.
Admit you did it.
And I just started laughing in his face.
And all of a sudden, I couldn't deny it anymore.
And I was like, yeah.
But then me doing it has caused a shitload of people.
I noted.
Yeah, they started feeling more comfortable.
Yeah.
People are so fascinated by it.
But now I feel like a lot of people fucking know about it.
Whereas when I got it, the first time, I'm 38 now.
I got it when I was 28 when I first moved to Long Beach.
I didn't know you got it back in the day.
Yeah.
Before I met you?
Yeah.
And then I got another one after.
But I didn't want people to know then because I'm like 28.
I'm feeling like this is so early for me to be getting it done.
Like nobody I knew even had any fucking clue what it was.
Now I don't give a shit.
Yeah.
Every, I mean, now if you're not keeping it with the keeps or hems or what it is, you are getting the plucks.
Yeah.
It's a choice.
Yeah.
Like, why wouldn't we?
Yeah.
Don't you like it?
Yeah, I love it.
I like your shape tattoo, but this looks great.
If you're a dude, what could you do with money to increase your looks?
Lie about how much money the needy.
You know, you could.
What?
You haven't heard about that?
No.
They put like a metal fucking throat.
Stretch your friends.
You can get like three inches taller.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or that guy that got the dick on his arm.
Yeah, Al.
Don't tell Al that.
Don't tell Al.
You're going to get the.
You're actually going to grow.
Yeah.
I don't know if Al will be able to walk.
That's a good thing.
No, you can't walk for a while.
Is it like a year?
I think it's almost a year that you can't exercise or run or anything like that.
Imagine when the technology gets better if they could make you like six inches taller.
Oh, yeah.
But it's going to be so painful.
But it's going to be fucked up because you're still going to have these stumpy ass little arms.
Oh, you look like a T-Rex.
Yeah.
That's why you can't go too much or you stretch out the arms a little bit too.
Which is that's now you're just out of control.
You're going to do all your fucking body fucking.
It's crazy there's no dick surgery to make your dick bigger.
Oh, there is.
There is.
A lot of porn dudes inject fucking silicone or something.
No, that's a different thing.
They also inject some shit into their dick that makes it hard as fuck for like four hours.
Stop.
And what happens?
That's crazy.
They just fill it up with like it's a tiny little pinprint.
If you really want to learn about this, Rico Strong told me all about it in his interview, but he uh, it's like you prick it and your dick becomes like ridiculously hard.
You're not going to come or if you come, your dick stays hard.
And I guess it's like dangerous.
Like you're not supposed to fucking do this, but old guys do it and some porn stars do it.
And if you ever watch a porn and the guy really looks like he's just fucking the shit out of her for like a crazy amount of time, there's like a decent chance.
But then a lot of the porn stars have this like goop that they fucking shoot into their dick that just kind of stays in there.
And a lot of times if you see a dude where it kind of looks like he has like a permanent boner, like his dick doesn't get that much bigger when it gets hard.
He's got these injections into it.
Yeah.
Oh, that's crazy.
But they're all like illegal, right?
They're not like supposed to be sold.
I don't know how regulated they are.
Maybe they have to go to another country or something.
Do girls ever get not get wet?
Do they just like, I'm sorry, I'm not wet today?
I feel like that's a good ass question.
Like, we take a hard dick.
We got to get our dick heart.
But y'all just got to just.
We suck dick.
We get a lot of spit.
It goes everywhere.
But also, I noticed like when I go down on a girl, there's always like a taste down there, like a sweet taste.
So I feel like a lot of girls will go and put like a bunch of people.
Why the women have a sex?
Why'd they make you a coat?
Like lube that has a taste to it in their pussy so that before you go in, it's not dry.
Oh, so the lube has a flavor.
Yeah.
Have you girls ever told a girl she got to fucking wash it up?
Have you ever seen it?
Well, all the girls, like we all have like a time where we break and we go and do and they put their little flavor on.
It's kind of cute.
Like at the dentist, when they ask what flavor of toothpaste you are, you're like, oh, run it up.
Even cherry.
Yeah, that's kind of fun.
No, sometimes the girls have a little bit of an odor, but even the worst one that we've encountered was like, not really.
I honestly can't think of any situation on Plug Talk specifically where it was like, that was awful.
I'll never want to work with her again.
She smelled ever.
Who got the most fire pussy outside of your wife?
I didn't know what he was going to say.
Kira Noir.
Who, who?
Kira Noir.
Kira Noir.
K-I-R-A-N-O-I-R.
So before we worked with her on Plug Talk, I did like a lesbian scene with her.
And I think that was like one of my first times doing a scene where I was genuinely so turned on.
I wanted her to come back and just fuck me off camera.
And then Adam got to fuck her on camera and we got to kind of like enjoy it together.
She was just really making love to us.
She had the softest lips.
She'll look you right in the eyes.
She was beautiful.
It's great.
I didn't.
You know, I thought she was hot before or whatever, but I really didn't expect.
I mean, when it's past a certain point in terms of sex, it's like it goes beyond them being hot.
And it's just like the vibe or like the aura they bring to a situation.
You believe like a sexual energy.
Some girls fuck like they're like you're the love of their life.
And for that 20 minutes, you just feel like you're being showered with so much affection.
It's kind of weird for me because when the girls are really staring into my eyes, I feel like I'm kind of cheating on her.
Yeah.
And that kind of freaks me out.
The funny thing is the girls that feel like we've had the most moments.
Yeah, that's terrible.
Guys, that's so terrible.
Have you ever had that dream, that nightmare?
Yeah, where you don't have any teeth and you're fucking somebody else besides us.
And you wake up and you're like, oh my God.
Oh my lord.
Why am I getting eyes?
Yeah, dude.
No, so how do you, how do you cope through that trauma?
Like, what did you do?
What do you do in that situation?
Like, when you're really worried about it, I just got to remember that, you know, I love my girl and that I'm not, she's just playing games with me.
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She's just doing it.
Because you got to remember, she's doing it for the camera because to look up is kind of like the proper thing to do on camera.
And it's really hard.
What do you mean?
When you're down there and you're trying to look all the way in someone's eyes, it's not really like, it's hard.
Try it right now.
I can't.
One of my eyes doesn't go all the way up.
They're up here and you have to be like looking pretty and looking all the way up into her eyes.
Yeah, it's awesome.
And it kind of hurts your head.
Keep that in mind for the thumbnail.
I want to see you.
Put something out.
And then I have to look like lovingly.
Some girls really have the crazy eyes.
There's this girl that we did a scene with, Kate and Presley.
And like, she's hot, but the way that she looks on camera is like fresh out the asylum.
Like her eyes are just like fucking blowing out of her head.
Like she just looks nuts when she does porn, but it's like really hot and good on camera.
But it's like, she's clearly like paid attention to how she looks on camera.
And she knows that she's leaning into it.
Yeah.
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You know, the first time I heard about Plug Talk was your clip with the girl who was getting the pile driver and her neck.
Oh, Arizona.
Yeah.
That's a lot.
Yeah.
See, look at her eating that guy's ass.
That could be you, Andrew.
Yeah, dude.
That could be you.
I could be eating his ass.
Best Sex Positions00:15:28
But you have to be lovingly.
You have to do it lovingly.
And look up.
Yeah.
No, the girl with the broken neck bone or whatever it is.
Adriana, yeah.
Yeah.
That's a real, she's like a pro wrestler with that shit, bro.
That's crazy.
With us, we don't really do any positions that we wouldn't do in our normal sex life, to be honest.
Like we like to keep it very comfortable.
We basically treat it like we're just hooking up.
We do everything.
We switch all of them.
You don't just go straight.
Oh my gosh.
Andrew doesn't believe in hooking tops.
Come on, dogs.
What are we doing?
Why do we get so successful to be on pillow principal?
Like, come on, working all day.
You're a pivotal guy.
Why are you staying thin for if you're not playing like it's on top?
No, I'm out here like that.
And then every pop, I hit him with a pop, and that's all that.
Every fourth stroke is a pop.
Once you slow down, it hits you with a little pop.
You pass the...
So you're using Blue Shoot to lay down?
Yeah.
Some girls are just...
Because it's fighting the rush of blood.
They want to get on top of you and just grind that cup to you.
Yeah, that's like a type of chick.
That's it.
The best type.
You described the best.
Some girls only want to do that.
Wait, you want to be on top the whole time?
I mean, I get on top a lot.
Yeah.
He's a good on top.
I'm not a pillow princess, but I do get on top once in a while.
What's a pillow princess?
You.
You.
That's what I'm talking about, dog.
On your back.
That's real G shit.
Do you ever lie in your stomach?
Say what?
Yeah.
I lay on my side.
Sometimes I lay on my side.
You know what I mean?
You ever put your heel behind your head?
Sometimes.
Every once in a while.
Formerly teaches you to enjoy missionary in your private life because missionary is really not that great on camera.
It's like kind of at the bottom of the totem pole.
But then in real life, you can kiss them.
You can look them in the eye.
You can grab a titty.
You can grab their ass.
You know, it's like missionary is fucking great.
We do a lot of missionary, but then, you know, if you're doing it on camera, it's kind of whack.
You're like covering her whole body.
You're covering what everybody wants to see.
That's the thing important that people don't realize is there's a lot of like opening up where you like you want them to see the full insertion as opposed to when you're actually having sex where that would never even cross your mind.
But like you gotta, you gotta open up a lot.
You gotta, that's why you see a lot of fucking porn dudes who are doing this or this where they like put their arm behind their back because you, you know, your instinct when you're fucking a girl doggy is to put both hands on her ass.
Yep.
But as a porn guy, you really kind of want to leave that open so they could see what's going on.
You ever tried doggy, but you're laying on your back.
Yeah, we try that.
You're just in it and then you just lay back and then you're just in the back.
That's what that's called.
It's called play dead.
You never tried play dead?
You never play dead?
That's actually one of the best ones when they're fucking riding your dick from behind and you can just sort of film fish and get all in there.
Tuck it under the butthole.
Fast, bro.
You go fish eye on the iPhone?
Yeah, it makes your dick look so much fucking bigger.
It's like a skate part.
Oh my god, it looks bigger.
I'm over there like with the freaking alien head.
You're not worried about her at all.
You gotta be generous because some of the angles you'll hit the fucking seven head looks insane.
Yeah, that's what Dove says whenever he's on the outside of like the fisheye picture and he looks a little inflated and he's always like no no it's the fisheye dude.
Yeah, he thinks that the 0.5 lens at the iPhone makes him look like he has breasts.
He thinks it's just the 0.5.
It's not.
We've been trying to start an only fans for Dove.
Actually I'd crush.
No, he does.
He has amazing breasts for a guy.
And I mean this sincerely, you think I'm making this up.
Take my shirt off.
Let's go.
I'll take my shirt off with you, but we both have to take our shirts off.
But he does have like an old.
Remember, women's breasts back in the day had like a do you know what I'm talking about?
Like they would they would come out to like almost like a teepee and like he has a 70s breast from a woman.
Take your shirt off side by side.
I think Dove could do it right now.
Two days before your honeymoon.
This is not an episode before your honeymoon.
Let's know what Italy is going to be getting with you shirtless for a week.
I would be more than happy to do before and after, but you have to take your breasts.
Same time.
Fair.
And we go.
We take your breaths out and we squeeze whatever's in them into those glasses.
Leave your caprice on.
Take your cats.
We put that on Patreon.
Let's go.
Let's see.
Is there?
Well, a lot of guys asked me to help usher them into the porn world, but I've never heard it pitched like this.
Yeah, because most guys don't go off their tits.
I'm saying the guy's tits are going to be the new part of porn.
Well, if Brendan Schaub's fucking assistant can make $100,000 a month.
She was not making $100,000 a month.
That's what they were saying.
Yeah.
And they go mad at Rogan for exposing it, right?
I mean, you can go see it.
It's public information, isn't it?
No.
Not that.
She had it private.
Oh my God.
I'm into the feet.
All right.
Are you the feet guy?
You're a feet guy.
Hers are calloused and blistered right now.
So I've been trying to.
I'm more feet fans than the average girl.
And I don't know why.
I don't have cute feet.
I will admit this.
I have really big feet for how much.
What size are those?
These are eight and a half.
That's a fucking as long as you're not in double dig.
No.
If you're not in double digging.
Do you have like a read on feet, guys?
Like if a guy's really into feet, does that mean he's like maybe weird in other ways?
Yeah.
What are you trying to say about me?
Nothing.
No, it seems like you're trying to get out of here.
I'm not talking about asking about her and her fans.
Okay, so I've like worked with girls and they'll just start like licking my feet and putting them in their mouth.
And I'm like, oh, I really like this.
So I kind of feel like I understand the people.
I don't do anything sexually with them.
You just want to look at them.
I just think they look pretty like an ocean.
He's got your surfer.
He's literally in the bay all the time.
If they don't have a pedophile, I mean, drop an anvil on them.
They have to be done right and they have to be like beautiful and everything.
But I don't need to do anything sexual with them.
I just think they're a beautiful part of the body.
You don't want to touch them, nothing.
Like your eyeballs.
Okay.
Right?
It's like you can look at someone's eyes and be like, wow, you have beautiful eyes, but you don't want to do anything sexual to them.
I hope you're not.
Right?
That'd be weird.
Yeah.
So yeah.
I thought you guys were more into kinky stuff.
I feel like I have a new girl about feet.
Like it's just, I don't really feel like I like when someone touches my feet or licks up.
She likes a nice foot rub.
I like nice light touching all over.
So I like feet touching.
But I feel like a lot of times I'll be fucking her and I'll just kind of shove the foot in my mouth and that kind of freaks her out because I'm not like easing my way into it, you know?
Yeah, like don't you?
You put my foot in your mouth and then you stop and you went, did you walk outside barefoot?
We're in the middle of sex.
What the fuck are you asking about?
But did you though?
Did you?
I had just taken a shower in front of him like five minutes before and I'm like, if you're gonna put my feet in your head.
He tasted ground on you.
He tasted ground.
You gotta taste all that dog shit.
He tasted ground.
This is the equivalent of when he tries to get all kinky and put his fingers in my mouth and I can smell the blunt on his fingers and I'm thinking about like, you didn't even wash your fucking hands and you're putting in my mouth right now.
You're taking me out of it.
So I had to get you back.
That is true.
It does take you out.
Yeah, of course.
His hand smells.
I'm like a wine taster when I shove that foot in my mouth.
I could taste everything in the whole there's hints of dog shit.
And a Mexican possibly working.
Barefoot.
Oh, is that a car heart?
Yeah.
Do you guys still dirty talk?
We get into it.
I feel like we talk more like lovey-dovey because our porn life is like more dirty talk that I feel like we kind of swang it the opposite way.
Yeah, like I love you.
Can you tell when you guys are like saying lines that aren't natural to one another during porn?
Like, can you tell when you're faking it a little bit?
I would like to reveal something.
Go.
What?
One time she fake ate my ass.
Wow.
Like she got back at one time because she knows it for real.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But one time she just like, I don't know, the girl, the other girl's giving me head and she just decides to get back there.
And I don't know.
She smelled something, but she wasn't licking my ass.
She was licking the area immediately above it.
And afterwards, I just called her out in the car.
Like, what was it that?
Okay.
You had a post-game comment.
Let me explain.
Yes, please.
Really, really big butt cheeks.
You're like this, and the girl's giving you head, but you're standing upright.
What?
I'm supposed to open the curtains and put my whole face in it.
Like, you need to bend over a little bit.
Yeah, you need to bend over, dog.
Open me up.
So I just like, I'm like, you know, because I can't get all the way in there.
Plus, like, I'll lose a fucking eyelash.
I keep wanting him to let me eat his ass in different positions, but he doesn't like feeling feminine, so he won't like bend over.
But like, that's better.
So what's the most masculine way to get your ass eat?
Like, like George Washington on the fucking pokemon.
Yeah.
I can actually see the outline of his penis head right there.
That was crazy.
The best way to get into it is you're just getting some head.
She's getting it real, real sloppy.
The spit is dripping down, so she can't taste the fecal matter on your butthole.
And then slowly your legs just kind of go up.
She gets deeper in there, you know?
Cannonball.
I do want to hit the cannonball.
Yeah, dude.
We as well do it, bro.
That's a good position to get your ass.
But that's too vulnerable for him.
You can roll me around and hit it from a bunch of different positions.
It's wide open.
What position do you most want to eat it in?
Probably in that position.
Sometimes he tries to sit directly on my face and he's like twice as big as me.
That's hot.
And I'm like, okay.
I like to lay her down flat and be like fucking her face and then just sort of plunk your asshole down on her mouth.
I like to be a little more in control than that.
Happy birthday, Mrs. Gray, Macy.
Real, real bum that you missed the podcast today.
Thank God.
Absolute banger.
Thank God she's not here.
I'm so glad she didn't come.
But it would have been really fun to talk about this and she's sitting right there.
Just imagine.
That would have left.
She would have cried.
Really?
It would have been bad.
She's the nicest lady you've met in your entire life.
I have a feeling.
I have a feeling.
It doesn't make sense that he came out of her.
Shut the fuck up.
People have been saying that to me my whole life, but it hurts coming from her.
She laughs to me all the time for stuff.
She's like, I'm so sorry.
She yells like it's his fault when he does stupid shit.
She's like, I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
He plunked his ass on your face after that.
She doesn't know anything about that.
We've talked about moms on the show in the past.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We talk a lot about our moms and our moms all have quite big tits.
So we talk a lot about that.
That's how I knew you're a real one, Adam.
You know what I'm saying?
If your mom got that headbeat, I'm serious.
We don't know for a fact.
We do know about Mark, right?
We know nothing about mom.
He's fucking embarrassed.
He's scared to admit it.
That's my point, okay?
No, no, no.
My mom is a pious woman, a woman of God.
No, but it's fire to have a mom with super fat tits.
We all love that.
Well, she's starting to kind of get put in the MILF category, don't you think?
You are literally, I'm not 18, so yeah, I'm automatically a MILF now.
Is that the rules?
Kind of.
Sometimes it depends on your look, but you know, some girls have a more like youthful look.
We had a girl that someone was like, Do you want to work with her the other day?
And she swore to God, she looked 13.
I was terrified of her.
She had like the tiniest limbs, but she was like 22.
I was like, I cannot.
No way.
She just looked too juvenile.
So young.
Really?
It looked like she put a filter on her face, those ones that just make you look so young.
It would have been a creepy visual.
I kind of felt, you know, a lot of people would not have necessarily paid enough attention to be like, oh, she's a grown woman.
Yeah, because they're not looking at the license at that point.
They're just looking at the human that looks like a child.
Are there any porn trends you think are too weird?
Like any stepsister thing, like the sister-brother thing?
Well, I feel lucky that we don't have to do that.
Well, I feel like I get approached a little bit more like as in the MILF category.
So I feel like they want me to do like mommy talk and stuff like that.
And like I'm definitely what is that?
I might be into that.
What's that?
Do some of that.
Give us an idea.
No, like, you know, talk about like my mommy milkers and stuff like that.
Like, I'm kind of not into that.
What the fuck?
They're saying, during the porn, please use the term mommy milker.
Yeah.
Okay.
But I don't think you would like that.
And like, they want like your breasts to be like fed to them.
And it's like weird.
Because your mom's Scottish.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's just the accent would throw me off.
Like to hear my mom talking about her mommy milkers like that.
Have you had your milk today?
Yeah, your bones are strong.
Are you big?
Well, at least one of them is like, I'm not rubbing right now.
My mom's going to watch this.
That's the crazy thing.
She logges a lot.
She does.
It's crazy.
Do you guys do any studio scenes?
There's all OnlyFans stuff.
We did one.
We did one for Pornhub, and I think a director from Brazzers shot it.
And after that day, especially because you got cum in my eye, like directly in my eye, I was like, I am not built for this shit.
Why didn't you blink?
That's what we always do.
Don't fuck this up.
Don't close your eyes.
Look, pretty.
And then he just like, it stays red for like many days and it hurts.
Like, I can't even explain how bad it hurts.
We're driving from the bottom.
Does he have to use a salty nutter?
Everyone feels like we hurt that bad.
Yeah.
We're driving back from downtown LA.
We fucking dead stop traffic and her eyes are so red because I had busted a nut on her face, got some in her eye, and then they're like, no, stop.
And they're like filming it from all different angles and taking pictures.
And there was an outro after the come shot.
We had to do like more acting.
No.
I really should have not came in your eye for that one.
Or any of them ever again.
Wait, why didn't you try to do it so it just splatters across the whole face and not just directly in the eye?
That seems more crazy.
I was kind of in a rush to get it over with.
They had us fucking on this blue couch that was like super low, so it was almost impossible to get a good position on it.
And then there was a lot of like lint, like my dick, I was almost seeing like balls of little blue.
And then you would put it in my mouth and all the carpet pieces would be like in my mouth.
No.
Yeah, I like had a hard time being in just the set.
Can you break from that and like fix it?
Like fix the lint situation?
Well, I feel like if that was my own set, I would be like much more comfortable.
Like being like, okay, let's do this.
When someone else is directing you, you're kind of like, oh, I don't want to piss off the director and I just want to get this done.
Let's see.
And you're like this, that the scene, the idea was that she, I was interviewing this other porn star and then Lena snuck in and was giving me head under the table.
While he was doing the internet.
That's fire.
It's a good idea, right?
That's a great idea.
Now, in reality, when you have a table and you have a chair, they don't really like match them up size-wise so that there will be enough room to give a head.
So she experienced multiple concussions from her.
Coom, coom, coom.
And it was just like, oh, and she's having to do it good for on-camera, right?
And it's like, it's really difficult.
And I'm like opening up under there to like try to make it.
It was, it was, I really respect people who really turned us off to doing sort of like scenes on other people's colours.
What are the positions you guys got in you?
We need five minutes of each position.
And I'm like, and they want like five or six positions.
I'm like, do you want us to have sex for fucking 50 minutes?
Yeah.
And like do pile driver and shit.
No.
No, fuck all that.
Back.
Nobody's right here.
Hello, princess.
What we make from the average plug talk scene is so much more than anybody would ever.
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What do you guys make on plug talk?
Many, many hundreds of thousands of dollars a month.
I believe.
She hates when I talk about it.
But I think to get it out there.
But the fact that nobody's going to pay us, you know, 50, 60, 70 grand to do a fucking porn scene for him.
So it's like, we're kind of priced out of doing stuff for anybody else anymore.
And after girls do those scenes, do their OnlyFans bump?
Yes.
And that's why they are like super down to do it.
That girl, Skybree, we signed her and her revenue went up a hundred times what it was on OnlyFans.
She was already doing OnlyFans, fucked with you guys.
Yep.
And where'd you guys find her?
So she was a fan of No Jumper, right?
And then when we started doing the Patreon, which is kind of like light plug talk, where we'll like interview OnlyFans girls and they take their titties out, shake their ass, whatever, and have this like sexually charged conversation, whatever, but it's not, we don't do any sex stuff.
She just fucking hits up my guy who was booking it, doesn't mention that she had already been DMing me for like years and years.
And she comes in, does the whole fucking interview.
And by the end of it, I'm convinced.
Like, I got to tell Lena about this.
We got to manage this girl because she made it perfectly.
She was working at Target.
Like, I couldn't believe that someone this hot was working at Target for like three years.
Yeah.
And then she came out.
Why not be like a bottle service girl or something?
She was from Pennsylvania.
I don't know what kind of talent she was working with.
Like clubs or whatever.
Nobody had realized her beauty at that point, I guess.
Really?
So were you at all like jealous at first when she's like, it was the first time he came home to me and was like, this girl's hot.
We need to sign her.
So I think at first I was kind of like, oh, this is like a weird conversation to have.
But then I was also able to like put that aside and be like, okay, this is a good business move.
And then, you know, we built out the contract, we flew her out.
And I don't know.
I've always liked the idea of like coaching a girl through so that she doesn't make a bunch of stupid mistakes, fall into like, there's all these OnlyFans, like agency type people.
They're like, well, we'll run your accounts and we'll take 50% and whatever.
Wow.
So it's like, you know, if I could guide a girl who obviously had a lot of potential and is very successful in proving herself in that way, like to not be making those mistakes.
But I come home at like 8 p.m. telling her about this hot 22 year old I met and she's covered in baby puke and she's just like like can we maybe talk about this later?
I was just like, okay, I'm feeling really ugly right now.
You got to pick your times to talk about stuff.
But at this point, I feel like she's so toughened up to it that our rules are kind of so set in place that it doesn't really bother her that much, you know?
Well, that's what, what are the rules in the scene?
Is there a rule?
Like, don't fall in love with them.
Yeah, I mean, but can they get the nut?
What do you mean?
Like, can he come on them?
Yeah.
Yeah.
If they take the nut, then it's like, she's just going to swoop in and lick it off like a seagull anyway.
So I'm going to run to the bathroom.
Yeah, but I mean, that is kind of the thing is like, even if in a normal threesome, if you and your girlfriend have a threesome, then you really need to fuck your girl more than the other girl, right?
But like, when we're doing plug tug, it's kind of like she's in every scene.
So it's, it's kind of like more important that we highlight the other girls.
So there is kind of like a balance.
I guess.
Yeah.
So there's a balance, but you know, it works out.
Is that the future?
You guys managing a bunch of these girls?
I mean, that seems like an incredibly lucrative business that you guys are.
It takes a lot of time, though.
Like, you got to spend your time scouting and then doing the investing and promoting them and everything.
And then you never know if they're going to dip out.
But it forces you to have this like really analytical mind state about how much money a girl could make because it's like a girl who can make 10 or 20,000 off OnlyFans is kind of like easy to find.
To find a girl who can make like multiple hundreds of thousands a month is a little bit more difficult.
So it's like, you know, in your normal life, I'm sure you find a wide variety of women hot, right?
But it kind of like forces me into the mentality of like really looking at a girl and trying to figure out what guys would think of them, which is, it's fucking weird.
But also it's like for me, because I'm the one who's most communicating with the girls, like I need her to be like smart because I'm not going to like teach her every last little thing about this is how you use the like button on social media or like, hey, go shoot content.
And then she's like, doesn't do it.
You know, it's like, I don't want to see any shit.
She also has to be like emotionally stable.
You know, like a lot of girls that are in this business don't have that.
And then you're dealing with their emotions and you're managing them.
They could be out doing drugs.
They could be fucking with random dudes.
Yeah.
It's kind of tricky.
What's the difference between a $5,000 a month OnlyFans girl and a $200,000 a month?
Like, is it a content strategy?
Is it a look?
I feel like it's not just a look.
I feel like it's like a viral hook and story.
With Sky, we like played into the fact that she worked at Target.
And so we did this TikTok outside of a Target where we like made it seem like she was like bringing out our stuff that we bought to our car.
And like we picked her up that way, even though it didn't actually happen that day that way.
And it like, it really worked.
And also Target's like a super relatable place for a guy who feels like he can meet a hot girl, right?
Maybe at Target.
And so she like took a bunch of photos in her Target uniform and stuff.
And that really worked.
The best girls who really have the most explosive start in the OnlyFans game, like with her, when she came out, she was doing a good amount on private Snapchat before OnlyFans.
And then she came out with a YouTube video where she said, I'm going to do a sex tape if I get to a million subscribers.
And it gets written about by every fucking website.
And it just became the most ridiculously viral thing.
And then at the same time, she did a vlog on her YouTube channel that was just called, I let my best friend have sex with my boyfriend, which I don't really like think of that as something that would do incredibly well on YouTube these days, but it went fucking crazy.
It got like 10, 20 million views, whatever.
These videos have so many millions of views, but I don't know.
And it was like an accident.
She already clearly was somebody that like people were attracted to and they were buying her OnlyFans, but then those like viral stories, it was just this like.
So you're not only selling a look, you're selling a story behind it.
In the best case, yeah.
But then, I mean, there are some girls who like have no personality, but have like the biggest fucking ass you've ever seen in your life and they're rich as shit.
Yeah.
You know, or like they have amazing boobs.
And sometimes it's just fake boobs.
Sometimes like it'll be a girl who just has like massive fake tits that you almost can't even believe exist.
And you wouldn't really think that that many guys that you are friends with would be super attractive to her.
But no, she's rich as fuck, huge fan base.
So like it's a combination if it could be personality, look, and having like a narrative, that's the best case.
And that's why I think with something like fucking Shaw's assistant, somehow her being his assistant is, that's relatable to that.
It just makes it seem real, you know?
Right.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Yeah, Bad Barbie was not like a dream girl that anyone was like, I need to see her OnlyFans.
But yeah, it's definitely not all appearance.
Oh, she does.
She makes crazy.
Like the environmentalism girl, the same thing.
I forget what it was, but she was doing like nudes to see.
The charity girl.
Yeah.
She was something about the trees and the wallier or something.
Yeah, no, she made a ton of money too.
But yeah, it's like, it's just the hook.
Like it does appearance is definitely.
But then you have some girls who kind of take it to the extreme, like Kazumi.
I don't know if you know about her.
She's on your pod sometimes.
Yeah, this Asian chick.
And she, like, she, she will think she's some fucking viral marketing genius and she'll think of a new hook like every week or every couple months or whatever.
And like one of them was like, I'm sending free nudes to people who prove to me that they're vaccinated.
And it was just getting written about like by all these places that are just super gullible or just see it as something that'll go viral or even like the girl who was selling her farts and jars.
So you got to be kind of smart and like figure out this is the game and like how can I play it?
Delphine with the bathwater.
Right.
But now I feel like the people are getting more and more kind of cautious about buying into narratives because they've sort of seen it all.
Like the thing about her making the sex tape with a million subscribers.
I don't, I don't know that anyone would really care.
Yeah.
Because it was early in the game.
And eventually like what's popular now will be rejected and that will be the new thing that's popular.
So once everything becomes a narrative and game, someone's just going to go, I got fucked in the ass.
And it'll just be so different from everything else that's out there.
People are like, 100%.
Do either one of you personally subscribe to anyone else's OnlyFans?
I did maybe like early on, but pre-pandemic, because OnlyFans is not like the simplest platform to use.
And sometimes you kind of have to like figure it out all the different functions.
So I subscribe to people as like, well, for actual research purposes to see how people are running their accounts.
Same thing.
Same, but how many accounts are you subscribing to?
This is actually, I don't have any.
I've been close.
I've been very close.
How close?
Like Reddit?
Yeah.
You've been close to spending $5.
I'm not rolling in it, but I could if I wanted to, you know?
There's been a few girls I've met over the years where it was just like, I got to see what's going on in here.
Sometimes you subscribe and you're disappointed because then it's like that twerking videos.
And sometimes it'll be like you realize you pay the fucking $10 or whatever.
And then you realize, oh, I'm not seeing shit unless I hop in the DMs, which to me is kind of almost like unethical.
We put all the plug talk episodes just on the feed.
You don't have to pay more money to get the...
But most girls are doing the pay-per-view things in the DMs, but I just think that like...
But if I can't see one dick on your mouth on the feed.
If you have a free page, I don't think you have to have anything on the feed and you can sell everything in the DMs.
But if you're charging a fee just to subscribe, there should be some stuff on the feed for free.
Do you have like global data on like where people are subscribing from?
Number one in Mexico City.
Because they think you're Mexican.
That was like pornhub data from like years ago.
He's making stuff up.
I don't know if they have global data.
Or like any pornhub data where you're like, wait, really?
Like Morocco or something like that?
Mexico City.
Yeah, I think Mexico, I was highly ranked there a few years ago.
They always put out at the end of the year all their statistics of like what countries are into what porn and things like that.
Yeah, that's always fascinating.
Okay.
I have a question before you guys get out of here because I know you guys have a busy day.
Sharp.
How do you come across him?
Is this somebody that you saw and you thought he was talented?
Did you know right away?
What is the growth for him?
Sharp.
So there's a podcast called Software at Underbelly.
Well, not a podcast.
He just does these interviews.
Mark Stills, what's his name?
Stills or something?
Mark.
Fuck.
I forget.
Latio.
Latio.
He's got some great interviews too.
Yeah.
And he has a studio in downtown L.A. and he just does interviews with a lot of street people, prostitutes, escorts.
Drug addicts.
Pimps, drug addicts.
Yeah.
And Sharp is someone who went on there.
He allegedly was a pimp earlier in his life.
And he's a huge deal in that scene too, because he's one like player of the year, pimp of the year, or whatever at these big conventions that they do and stuff, which I'll be honest, I'm kind of in the dark about how you get to be viewed as number one.
And that's the data and what's the magic.
You know, like Magic Don Juan was like kind of like the king of that shit for a long time and is still like an icon in that game.
But yeah, I saw him on Software Underbelly.
Somebody reached out and said, would you be down to have Sharp on?
I had him on.
It does like 2 million views right away.
And I just was like, oh, you know, I should, we already had like a couple of different hosts like AD and T-Rell on the channel.
And I just figured, you know, why don't I just try to get this guy to do episodes on my channel?
Because I real, the thing that came to mind immediately was like, I need to see this guy talking to women.
Like, I just really want to know what the energy is going to be like, you know?
And that's what we did just from the start.
And to be honest, he was a little aggressive early on.
Like, he was really, really just kind of talking over him and just like barking on him.
And I feel like he's gotten a shitload better on camera where he's having like, you know, real mature conversations with a lot of them.
But then at the same time, I mean, he has a lot of triggers.
Like, if you call him a bitch, oh my God, the girls keep calling him bitch.
But in like a girl way of being like, bitch, man.
And oh my God, he just gets so fucking pissed.
But yeah, I mean, he's been, he's definitely one of the biggest things that we got going on the channel.
It's just been insane seeing the way that people gravitate him too much so much.
And I've been in Vegas with him and seeing the way it is on the street where there are a shitload of sharp wannabes who are really on various degrees of the spectrum.
Some of them almost have like his look.
Some of them just kind of are trying to talk like him and trying to talk to girls all reckless on the street and shit.
But I mean, we couldn't go anywhere without him getting stopped left and right to take photos.
It was fucking insane.
And then what's happening in his life?
Like is has he made this transition to legit business and how is that changing him?
I mean, he's a very mysterious guy.
We really like I FaceTime him sometimes and he'll be the middle of the night and he's just like with his daughter.
He's like fucking apparently got a kind of normal life that I don't even really like ask that much about.
But he uh he definitely keeps an aura of mystery.
But yeah, he's definitely on the up and up as far as uh the illegal side of things, I believe at this point.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he's just really interesting character.
You guys should check him out.
You guys have these great guys.
I love doing I would love to get him out here to talk to you.
Yeah.
Amazing.
Oh my God.
No, I'd love to have a conversation.
I'm just curious about like that life.
But also Duno, AD, T-Rex, all those guys are just fucking just, yeah, you guys got something really cool going.
Are you on to Flacco yet?
No.
Oh my God.
Send me something.
I'm sure YouTube will recommend him soon enough.
He's a portly guy from North Dakota.
Well, he's actually from Liberia, which is just the gnarliest part of Africa, apparently, because that's where General Butt Naked is from.
Do you remember him from the Vice documentary?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh my God.
Is he a comedian?
That guy is the fucking pastor at the church that this kid Flacco grew up going to.
For real?
I guess.
Yeah.
But then he moved to North Dakota when he was young.
And then we've got him on the channel.
And I've never met anyone who is less afraid of having a controversial opinion in my fucking life.
He's off the chain with it.
Oh, that's he's he's just like what are some of his hot tastes?
Well, like people getting thrown in prison, like rappers and stuff.
And he'll just be like, hey, lock him up.
Like he's fully like wishing prison upon them based on the accusation.
So we're trying to like coach him into it.
Like, these are just accusations.
He hasn't even gone to trial yet.
You can't be wishing prison upon people.
That's crazy.
And he knew General Butt Naked.
I think if No Jumper doesn't work out, he might end up General Butt Naked's army.
You got to get him.
You got to get General Butt naked.
Oh, my God.
Have I been a Liberia?
Have you not seen this guy?
He's an unbelievable.
He's like a stand-up comedian.
They did a doc on him.
They interview him in Africa, like doing comedy, right?
Like, this is the guy we're talking about.
Yeah, and he would talk about how he would eat a baby before battle.
He would just consume a baby.
Yeah.
Which was kind of troubling.
Liberia is...
What?
Yeah, it's Africa.
But didn't like America play a role in the creation of Liberia?
I don't know.
But it was also like, right?
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Conflict times?
Yeah.
Yeah, I have no idea.
You have all these guys under the No Jumper banner.
You ever get afraid if they say something that it can affect the company?
Well, we don't really make that big a percentage of our money from like advertisers or anything.
So even if somebody were to try to kind of get us canceled, I don't know how much it would really do.
But yeah, there's definitely been times like AD when he first came in, like we were doing the news and we were talking about 6ix9ine snitching and he just looks right at the camera and he's like, well, if it was me, if I couldn't get to him, I would kill his mom.
And I'm just like, okay, that's going to fall into the category of things we can't say.
You got to be a dad about it.
There are things that, you know, when you're dealing with people, he didn't know.
And now he knows.
Now he's much more professional about saying stuff like that.
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So there's a lot of blocks, learning blocks over time.
Yeah.
I caught that AD China Mac beef to friendship.
I thought that was really cool.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah, it was cool.
They had a little squabble or something like that.
And then, because we had China Mac on the pod.
Oh, wow.
Back on Brilliant Idiots.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
And this was like years, this is years ago.
But I thought it was cool.
They like worked it out as dudes.
It didn't get violent besides, you know, the hands.
And then they're like doing content together, doing their cooking shit.
It seems odd to me that they were beefing over food vlogs in the first place.
That's your fault.
I had a lot of people putting it on me.
I mean, I guess China Mac is just kind of protective of his food vlogging content.
But yeah, I mean, it was overall pretty good because AD's been doing these food vlogs that are just going crazy.
They just did one at Blueface's soul food restaurant and shit.
Shit's going crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, shit, man.
I'm ready to end the podcast, but we need Lena to wrap it up.
I was just taking a fucking 50 wiper back there.
Okay.
Hey.
How was that?
That took the longest pee of my life.
Was it really a 50 wiper?
This is not a 50 wiper.
50 wipe is when you go wipe 50 times.
When you go what?
You wipe 50 times.
Yeah, I got that.
Okay.
Yeah.
He's a one wiper.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I don't wipe.
I don't wipe.
I don't wipe.
Yeah.
That's how clean his system is built.
Yeah, trust myself, bro.
He's that Jewish.
Actually, not at all.
Okay.
Guys, thank you so much for coming.
Tell them where they can find you, even though they probably already know.
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You can find her Instagram on my Instagram if you can't find it.
And nojumber.com, onlyplugtalk.com.
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Oh my gosh.
Oh, what?
Oh, really?
Deep, real conversations with sex workers.
Yes?
Adam bought me a freaking full, legitimate podcast set up for Valentine's Day and is making me start a podcast and telling everyone about it so that I have to do it.
Are you interested in it?
I am interested in it, but I usually need a push.
But he's very placed.
What are you nervous about doing it?
I don't know.
People like her on camera, but she just hasn't.
She kind of got out of the loop of just doing consistent content.
Really, you were never that consistent.
So I feel like what the kids are talking about now that I'm a mom.
Yeah, fuck them, kids.
Like, I'm gonna say the wrong thing.
You guys are okay with being controversial and hated.
I cannot handle it.
So, yeah, that's my fear.
I think it'll be good.
I just need to fight with you more so that I have stuff to talk about on the podcast.
We need to beef.
Content, content, content.
I'll throw myself on the piss me off.
Well, we're gonna beef with you at Flagrant.
Yeah, this is our first goddamn beef.
Okay, my first beef, guys.
Uh, this has been uh the Milky Mommies podcast, the mommy milkies podcast.
Guys, make sure you check out No Jumper, check out Lena, and uh, check them both out together.
I will not because uh, you guys are my friends, and I don't want to watch you have sex just yet.