Dave Portnoy recounts his 2017 White House interview where complimenting Ollie G. forced Trump to admit a tweet mistake, while detailing Barstool's evolution from a Boston gambling blog to a national empire via the "Stoola Palooza" tour and controversial "Bitch in the City" articles. He addresses false Business Insider allegations regarding unauthorized filming, his $250,000 Super Bowl bet leading to an NFL ban, and internal conflicts like firing Francis over a murdered girl story. Ultimately, Portnoy emphasizes Barstool's self-sufficient grind, refusal to appease critics, and the polarized reception of his comedy-driven content across political spectrums. [Automatically generated summary]
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Dave Portnoo Admits Mistake00:14:41
I actually got him to admit he made a mistake with tweeting.
Do you ever just wake up the next day be like, man, I wish it was that?
He's like, yeah, I do.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to Flagrant.
And today we have the man, the myth, the legend, barstools on Dave Port, everybody.
Get it off again.
Thank you so much, man.
I have a bone to pick with you, Dave, because you did the thing that I wanted to do if I ever interviewed Trump.
Which was what?
I'm wondering if you can pick it out.
My dad?
No.
The dad was a beautiful moment.
You were going to do that too, though.
You were going to call Dave's dad.
Yeah, I was like, I know your dad hated Trump.
No.
What did I do that?
That was the first thing that opened.
Ollie G.
I always said I was like, if I ever talk to Trump, the first thing I'll say is I'll bring up the Ollie G thing because as far as I remember, the only person.
He's the only one that saw through it, got up.
It also, so when I did that interview with him, he really didn't know who I was.
Like Donald Jr. was a fan.
Everybody there was like barstool people, but that disarmed him, actually.
He was like, oh, this is friendly fire.
And it changed his demeanor.
Into you.
Yeah.
He started explaining it to you.
And like, it was crazy because he, obviously, people like to get complimented, but he found something that nobody else complimented him on, but he was proud of.
Yeah, he loved it.
He loved it.
It changed the entire actually.
Because one thing about him, he for sure, a little bit probably similar to me and a lot of people, but when he, his, his hackles go up when he thinks he's being attacked.
So if he views somebody as like, this guy's an enemy, he's basically a real prick back.
And that's how a lot of his conflict is.
But if he, if he thinks you're on his side, he turns into kind of normal dude.
And then you asked him the wildest question to follow up.
So you're like, yeah, I love you.
You're great.
We're all, why can't people take a knee?
It was like, I was like, what the fuck is that?
And then you also, this is the first time I've ever interviewed somebody.
So I don't think he knew what to think in the moment.
It was.
He was so flattered.
I actually got him, and it may still be the only one to admit he made a mistake with tweeting.
But I was like, do you, I was like, do you ever, I'm like, you're going nuts on Twitter.
And I'm like, do you ever just wake up the next day?
Like, man, I wish it was that.
He's like, yeah, I do.
And as far as I know, he's never admitted that he made a mistake in his life except that.
Did you have other questions you wanted to ask him that you didn't?
No, so the thing with that interview is I found out about it like, I don't know, less than 24 hours before.
Like I was on vacation and I've had somebody on my team just like, hey, Trump wants you to come interview him in the Rose Garden.
And I've said this.
People obviously can agree, disagree.
I'm like, we try not to be political.
Because you're going to piss somebody off.
And we're not like, it's the old Michael Jordan quote.
Like, you know, Republicans buy sneakers.
Yeah.
Red money old buy sneakers.
Like the old wire sneakers.
Everybody can't.
Yeah.
It's like, we're just trying to make money.
So I found out really short notice.
And I really had never interviewed anybody.
And we had a couple of our team go and the Trump people are like, you can ask anything, anything, anything, anything.
And we go.
And first of all, it's crazy.
Like Mariano Rivera is there.
It was, I think, opening day.
It was all that.
And they're being super nice.
And then right up to the interview, all my guys couldn't come close.
And like 30 of his guys surround us.
And right before it started, they came up like, don't ask about this, this, this.
I just kind of ignored it.
I got most of my questions out.
Like people who like Trump are like, what a great interview.
People that don't like Trump is like, you were doing softballs.
It's like, I don't know nothing about politics.
Like, how deep can I feel?
The first question was a hardball.
Yeah.
But it was the compliment, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it was surreal.
I'd never been to the White House.
The whole.
White House kind of mid or what?
No, I liked it.
Really?
Yeah, I'm like one of those weird like history.
How old are you?
38.
You're using mid, huh?
Thank you.
Thank you.
That's crazy.
We've actually been trying to work on his vernacular.
That's crazy.
Why is he crazy?
That's young.
I think you're a bad man.
What is it?
Mid means like not good.
Somebody came up to me and said it the other day.
And I was like, what is that?
I didn't expect to hear, but it was like a teenager.
It was a teenager.
Yeah, yeah.
But you use it, right?
Like when you buy shorts or like mid-cause?
Yeah, I guess.
I use it like, where is it?
It's in the middle.
Not that way.
No, I'm a, I like the White House.
I'm kind of like a buck.
Was the White Daddy?
Have they been on you about that?
No, no, but it's pretty lit.
Like, it's funny because he gets every type of thing wrong.
Like, all the vernacular doesn't know anything.
I think he maybe used it right.
No, no, I just didn't expect him to.
He did.
And now we've been trying to help him with it.
And then the one time he gets it right, you come in and go, fuck you.
Because I'll still do it.
He's new.
I shouldn't do it anymore.
No, you're also going to use like cap when he's going to climb.
Yeah, yeah.
So please.
I use cap.
Yeah.
Like, so I do that.
I do that BFF thing with like, so they'll throw words.
And I'm like, I don't know.
I'll just start using it, you know, as a joke.
Like, sharp, the guy.
He's very good.
Very good.
I did not expect it.
So, yeah.
This is the TikTok.
Sensation, right?
Yeah.
Basically, that just came about.
Like, Barcelona's been around 20 years.
Yeah.
So TikTok, I hate when any new social media comes out because another thing to worry about to stay relevant.
But nobody on TikTok knew who we were.
And Charlie DiMello, Diamello, I always get the name wrong.
I like that family, by the way.
But she was dating this dude, Lil Huddy.
They broke up.
Something happened.
It spilled into Twitter.
And it was going crazy on Twitter.
You were talking shit about mid.
I'm telling you what happened.
It's still on Twitter.
I'm going to couch everything with, I just want to make money.
Yeah, right.
Well, that is it.
Not the mids, though.
Spilled onto Twitter.
His people, I'm like, what the fuck?
Who are these people?
And his team reached out, like, want to do an Instagram live with him to, he'll explain it.
And he was great.
We clicked.
And then I think Snapchat reached out.
Like, do you want to do a Snapchat show?
It's like, no, I want, I need his TikTok audience.
So that's how that came about.
But he's sharp.
He's good.
Yeah, he was good.
Yeah.
You fired some talented people.
Yeah, no, he's good.
He don't work for us, I wish, but he was just like a collab.
Oh, really?
Yeah, no, we couldn't fucking.
Josh Richards is huge.
Huge.
Ah, so you guys are partnered on this podcast.
We own it equally.
I like it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, he's big.
The other thing that I was telling you before was the Caller Daddy thing.
Yep.
Oh, yeah.
You said you were responsible.
Yeah.
This is how.
Okay.
I was supposed to go on a date with Sophia.
Yeah.
With an F. In case you didn't know.
No, I know.
And I had I played in a basketball game, I think, or something.
I was like exhausted.
So I hit her up.
I was like, hey, can we reschedule?
Yeah.
And she was upset.
And she was like, I'm going to go on a date with somebody tonight.
Superman was who she went with.
Interesting.
Small world.
Yeah, I don't know.
Sorry, man.
Yeah, no, listen, that was going to end probably poorly no matter what.
And I've probably been good because they were left anyways.
Right.
And the controversy that ensued because of that probably ended up helping us a little bit.
You think?
Yeah, a little bit.
Yeah, you thrive in the...
Well, it's like, so Caller Daddy, when that debate was going on, it's Caller Daddy kind of.
And we let people do whatever they want at Barstool.
So a lot of the Caller Daddy crowd, as I was growing, really didn't know who I was or Barstool.
They were just, they were caller daddy fans.
And if they left as they were planning to leave, it would have been a he said, she said, and people would have believed her, their crowd would have believed them.
They're not even listening to you.
Correct.
Yeah.
But when they got in that dispute, they just stopped podcasting.
They didn't put out an episode for two months.
And then I took their feed and I went.
All these girls are like, oh, a new Collar Daddy.
And I stopped.
And they were like waiting.
There wasn't a new one.
There was all these rumors.
And it's like two months, there hasn't been an episode.
And suddenly on a feed, it's like, oh, New Caller Daddy is just fucking me for like 45 minutes.
Let's go.
Here's what's going on.
So yeah, it probably helped.
We got a lot of new fans.
And most people, whether you like me or don't, like I come across as credible.
It's like he's telling the truth.
He's willing to talk.
He's not like even when you ask anything I want to talk about.
I'll talk about anything.
There's no skeletons.
Well, there are skeletons, but I'll talk about them.
So it probably worked in her favor.
Can you lie if you need to?
No.
Have you seen Love on the Spectrum?
No.
I'm hooked on this show.
You know how like we love dating?
What channel is that?
It's on Netflix.
But like, we like dating shows.
Yeah.
So now they're making Autistic People date.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's awesome.
Wow.
No cap, bro.
Yeah.
But, but, and, and it's like beautiful because they just don't know how to lie.
Right.
Like honest in every moment when they're anxious, they're incredibly anxious.
And then like, you can tell they don't want to hurt feelings, but they just got to like say stuff.
You know, like, it's kind of really beautiful, but it's also refreshing because everything they say, you believe is real.
Yeah.
I mean, doing it.
Are you autistic?
No.
Sorry on the spectrum.
I'm not autistic, but with what we do, if you lie, they're eventually.
They come for you.
And you're going to go down a path or you're exposed for lying.
So no, I mean.
But I imagine this has always been you.
Yeah.
I'm pretty.
Everything's out there for better or for worse.
Yeah.
And it's all out there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pretty much.
And you've handled it better than everybody.
Yeah.
I mean, better than everybody.
I appreciate that.
Again, it's, it's, it's, I've always said, I, when the truth is on your side, it allows you to do whatever the fuck you want.
To be really honest.
We say, we say the same thing.
It's like, there's all these people that know they didn't fuck up, but they're so scared of like losing a role.
Yeah, right.
So like fucking the, I always bring it up the Ratatouille guy.
What's his fucking name?
Ralph.
Patrick Oswell.
Yeah.
Patton Oswell apologizes for being in a picture with his friend Chappelle.
And it's like.
It's crazy how that goes.
You're so worried about losing the fucking role or whatever like that that you don't realize the truth is on your side.
Yep.
When the truth is on your side, someone's trying to take your life away.
Let them fucking know.
Yeah.
And it's all a lot of it's, you know, it's the same arena.
They know what they're doing.
Every situation is totally different.
I handled my, I would handle mine the same day one or day like year 20 of doing my shit.
It's just, that's my personality.
It's like, oh, you, you want to say something about me?
And a lot of times I come over a lot heavier.
Well, they got to pay the price to talk.
Yeah, right.
That's what I like is that most people just let them talk and then hope it goes away.
You're like, if you're going to talk to me, if you're going to take my life away, your life is going to be difficult.
Totally.
So make sure you want this.
And that's like the number one thing that I find.
And the people like, I've always said this, and this is what Barcelona, for some reason, there seems to be a belief that you can just throw stones or like chirp out of the clouds.
And then nothing happens.
Yeah.
And then when you chirp back, people criticize me.
It's like, he has this big audience.
He should know.
It's like, I don't give a fuck.
I was minding my own business and you come at me.
What's my responsibility?
Like, I always say, don't like threaten to murder somebody.
But if you come at me, I'm not going to like put you.
It's not my job to coddle you because I have my audience.
It's like, what do you fucking expect to happen?
Yeah.
Actually know the name, Henry Blodgett because of you, and I only hear it in your accent.
He's an all-time cocktail.
Yeah, I mean, he is a Business Insider guy.
Yeah, he owns Business Insider.
I mean, he's a crook.
Yeah, the man is like and i'm.
What business do they talk about?
Yeah, there's no business.
I don't see articles but companies you could pay to be on their site.
They're a piece of he.
He is banned by the SEC.
I mean that's that's, i'm not.
He was uh, he worked for, I think.
Uh, was it Meryl or one of the big firms?
Yeah, and he literally got caught like telling his clients which were any like mom and pop people, like buy this stock, and then his emails being like, this stock is trash.
He got one of the biggest fines in the history the SEC, and he's banned.
This guy is a legitimate crook.
Yeah, and then he started Business Insider talking about WALL Street.
I guess they're scumbags um, and and he's the guy who wants Business Insider which, by the way uh, people probably like, what's he talking about the?
Their whole model.
They're bought by a company that owns a German newspaper.
I think it's BILK.
Their model is well known.
It is just salacious headlines for clicks.
That's what they do and they coach it like they're this real business thing.
They're not.
They're trash.
And I paid a lot more attention since i've been involved with them.
But it's like every week it's somebody else that they're doing the same.
It's wild and behind the paywall, behind the paywall and then they advertise it everywhere.
It's like, just tell us, pay ten dollars to see what i'm sue right now.
So i'm suing them.
Good which, good for you.
Literally every lawyer is like it's gonna be almost impossible.
You're a public figure, like in what drives me nuts?
Some of the they say so they can just play dumb, they can just be like we're a bad reporter.
What was said to us?
We didn't do any.
Somebody says Daypointed this day, pointing to that it's not their job to to do the due diligence to see if it's the truth they make.
Oh, we didn't know a source.
Yeah, the source said that the source was lying to us.
Yeah, that's their fault, not yours, but I don't give a fuck.
It's like I I need to see them in court.
I literally there's another publication i'm not saying the name because i've learned I don't want.
I don't want connect the dots.
That's trying to do this like is doing the same same thing.
Yeah, and I found out about it's the same.
Like i'm getting all these girls being like Dave, what's this about?
I ambushed the reporter at her house.
I found out where she lives.
I did a steak out for like five hours, jumped out of the car you personally yeah, me personally wait so you get in the car.
You're sitting out there, you're.
I just it was like uh, it was like point break just sitting there with me and my camera guys dressed for point break.
Yeah, I got like a 10 minute video.
Fox News Consent Scandal00:14:25
She's in the publication.
They wrote that like we don't appreciate that, we'll talk to you when we're ready.
It's like no, it's like you're gonna write this public, you'll write the article and then you'll like Business Insider yeah, spent a year digging up on me and they found nothing.
Yeah, and then they gave me 24 hours 24 hours to be like, what do you say about this?
And that they wrote a second article.
I had a leak at Business Insider.
Somebody sent me the draft before they published it and they tried to do the same this time, because they they're so vague I don't even know what the they're talking about.
Yeah, but I had time to figure it out.
The second article.
So when they said hey, here's your 24 hours, I was like bang, here's the facts.
Change the total article.
If I didn't have the leak, there'd be things in there that are so false and so over the top and things I did.
They would have published it and be like oh, we didn't know, but because I had the leak.
That's how up the whole thing is.
It's like I literally have an article that they were ready to publish.
And if I didn't have a mole, they would have published it.
Wow.
But since I had the mole, it gave me more time to be like, here's all the text.
Here's everything.
Lie, lie, lie.
And so you were ready.
So the first time I had no clue who they were talking about.
So I got so blind.
I knew it was coming, but I didn't know the details.
One of the girls, there's Stargirl in the first one who literally says in the article that like, we don't want, she didn't want her name out there to protect herselves.
She went on TikTok, said who she was, launched in OnlyFans, became top like 1%.
Fullball point star now.
This girl is in the article saying, I don't like to be filmed.
She's a full-blown porn star.
I'm not talking like R-rated.
She's like as full-blown as you can.
Like double team.
You name it.
Okay, you got to tell us.
Yeah, it's like, it's crazy.
I don't care at this point, but have they ever mentioned that?
Like, this is the girl who's the lead.
She's cloud chasing.
Yeah, the lead headline.
Like, oh, he filmed me without consent.
That's why I said to the reporter at, I mean, it sounds rude when I ambushed the reporter.
She's like, do you film without consent?
I'm like, if a girl's giving you head on her knees talking to the camera, would you see that, say that's without consent?
She's like, no.
I'm like, here's the video.
Like, do you want to see the video?
I'm like, I haven't.
She's like, no, no, no, I don't want to see it.
It's like, well, like, what are we talking about?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
She's like, why haven't you said that?
It's like, I've been screaming it from the rooftops.
You got to go on here.
Correct.
Why did you go for a year and do all this research?
I've had video, a girl videoed a conversation on my behalf.
And the reporter, this new one, she's like, do you know his ex-wife at all?
Have you ever talked to her?
What she likes?
It's like, nobody's ever.
I was married to my ex-wife for five years.
She's still my best friend.
No one's not once reached out to her.
Be like, what kind of person's Dave?
Not once.
Wow.
Because they don't want to know.
Anybody who says anything positive about me, forget it.
They don't want it.
Why do you think they're coming for you?
Page views.
I mean, there's a couple of things.
I think I got viewed as political.
So like, this insider only goes after people they perceive.
You're on Musk now.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it was Rogan.
Yep.
Anybody.
It was Trump, then Rogan, and now they're doing Musk.
And then you're percolating in that.
I feel like, yeah, those are the lily pads.
Yep.
They just keep jumping.
And I talk about it, which.
But you also go on like Fox and stuff like that.
Totally.
Because they'll be talking about something that aligns with something you feel.
It'll be like, and this is something that I am very careful with as well.
Is they can use you as a mascot for something that you agree with, but then kind of wrap you into other political affiliates.
And I've always said that about me on the political side.
I hate politics.
I hate the extreme left.
I hate the extreme right.
You can ask me a question.
You're not going to know the answer based on what you think left or right.
That's not how I am.
Like, I mean, it's just not.
I remember I went on Fox one time with Tucker Carlson and it was Kaepernick.
And it was when Nike signed him.
And I was like, to be honest, I think it's a great move by Nike.
I think the urban market is going to love it.
I think he's a perfect guy for them.
And I got crucified by people being like, he's trash and Kaepernick.
It's like, they didn't even listen to what the interview said.
Like, I was like, I think it's a great move.
So, but if you go on Fox, you're Hitler.
It doesn't matter what you say on Fox.
If you go on Tucker Carlson, they perceive you as Hitler.
And I've done my research on most of the people I go on and I don't find the smoking gun.
So I keep going on.
And by the way, CNN or any of those people asked me on, I'll go on there.
I'll go on anywhere that I am like I said Fox is fucking huge like a huge audience I'm trying to grow our audience Yeah, you ask me on a big program.
I'm there with bells on yeah, I'll be me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It is interesting though that like certain places are so radioactive That's one of them, but it's like it's a huge show but to answer your question I also talk about these articles and they put it behind the paywall so when I'm screaming Yeah, guess what?
People want to read what I'm screaming about.
So it actually, in a weird way, plays into their hands.
Yeah.
And you only need a few thousand people to recoup that investment.
Correct.
Yeah.
Now, how do you think you've been politically polarized, but barstool is neutral still?
Yeah, but people, I don't think, view it that way.
Really?
Yeah, I think they view it as like guy culture and like, what is it, locker room stuff, like fun, like ball busting.
But I don't think anybody's like, these are where the right-wing consumers are.
Oh, no.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But those are people who aren't paying attention, but they do.
They do.
And we have everything.
I mean, listen, people think we're like racist white guys.
Some people, we have the number one urban podcast in the country.
Bar none.
Like a million dollars worth of games.
Fucking huge.
Yeah.
And they're awesome.
But if you don't want to look there, you don't have to look there.
We have a female CEO.
People say I hired her just because she's female.
It's like, what do you wasn't even, do you know who Jenna Marbles is?
Yeah.
So like, well, she worked for me.
I discovered Jenna Marbles.
She's working at a tanning salon in Boston.
I hired her.
And we started a site called Stoola La.
It was just the female version of Barstool.
We'd have a smoke show, Pretty Girl.
She'd have Smoke Bro.
This is before anybody ever called a sexist.
The only reason she left is she got huge.
So like people just don't do the research on us.
We're just trying to make people laugh.
And if you want to say we're equal opportunity haters, fine.
But like there's never been somebody in our doors who have said, look, this, that, the other thing.
That's the Rogan thing.
We had Rogan on the other day and it was just like everybody who hates Rogan has never listened to an episode of Rogan.
Right.
That's they hate the idea that is presented of Rogan.
And I think that's a lot of times what happens with you.
And if there is criticism of Barstool, it's probably that.
But if you're actually watching the content, it's apolitical.
Totally.
Like, who's the guy on?
Who's there?
There's some guy on Around the Horn on ESPN.
He was talking about Dion the other day and we Dion works for us.
And he literally is like, what was when they got that recruit?
He's like, he makes content with Barstool.
Makes me want to throw up.
It was like, what are you fucking talking about, dude?
But it is, I do think there's a perception out there.
And I think that comes from me.
Like by me going on Fox and me interviewing Trump, people aren't going to listen to what's said.
Like what, like the Trump interview I was asked, I tried to be as deep as I can be asking real questions, but whatever it is.
Well, the N-word clip didn't help.
But that's crazy.
No, I would never do that again.
But the N-word clip you're talking about, which was dug up during Black Lives Matter, is so we had a Super Bowl party and it was, you can't compete.
We can't hire like Bieber or Taylor Swift.
We don't have those budgets.
So we're like, we're going old school.
This is kind of before they were performed more.
We got Jarul and Ashanti to perform.
And I did this emergency press conference.
I'm like, you'll never guess who we have.
I sang and I sang their top five fucking songs.
Firefest one.
Yeah.
It was fucking a great show, by the way.
It was a great show.
So I'm like, you'll never guess.
And I can't rap.
And I'm like, I'm going to sing the one minute of their five best songs.
I sang the N-word in the thing.
No one said it fucking works.
There's no one said it works.
Granted, I think most white people sing along the N-word on that whole thing.
Never.
Never, Al.
That's why it's like, to be honest, like I don't think I'm the biggest idiot in the world.
I knew it was going online.
It wasn't like they caught me saying it like to a buddy.
I've never said that.
I sang it, put it out, and I'm like, go.
I didn't hear a word for five years.
Nobody ever brought that up.
BLM happened.
All of a sudden, it's like the headlines, like Dave says the M-word.
It's like, I didn't, I definitely learned.
I'd never sing it, never say it in that context again, quote.
Yeah.
But I wasn't like, to be canceled basically for that.
Yeah.
It's like, and I got into a thing with Willie Cologne who worked.
It's like, I've learned, I won't do it.
It's tough for me to apologize because there was no hate and nobody.
It's like, I fucked up, but really, I've been online for 20 years.
I've written a blog every day.
I've never, this is your clip that I'm announcing as Shanta and Jeruel.
And you were killing the song too.
You were singing well.
You were slow.
Yeah.
You're right.
That perception perceives.
And we're going to run with that.
There's a couple.
How much fun was it to say it?
No, but I've been waiting on it.
No, no, no.
Not fun.
We also have a terrible Kaepernick clip that I, to this day.
Even though you're pro taking the knee?
Yeah.
No, I, I, I, listen.
Oh, you think it's better than the type of protests that was having with looting and that kind of stuff.
You're like, this is the thing.
The looting is bad.
Anytime, anytime there's silent protest, let it go.
That's what this country's built on.
Like, at some level, like, if you look at it, you know, it's, it's, you can go into so many different directions like this, but things have to change.
Like in this country, there's always had to be change.
I mean, we had fucking slavery in this country.
So what?
If someone was protesting that you didn't agree with it, it's like, what's this guy protesting?
But if you, they cut the clip and it continues like, oh, he's actually protesting police brutality.
Yeah.
And we continued in the same clip to be like, you know what?
Yeah.
If you want to protest that, go for it.
But it was like a real conversation of guys sitting around.
It's like, what's he, that's how we talk.
Like, what's he doing that for?
Yeah.
When we did the research, like, you know what?
In this country, that's the beauty of this country.
You're allowed to protest for causes like that.
We needed change with the police and how they deal with African-American community.
They need it.
Do I think BLM went too far with like, you know, you talk to the lady who fucking stole funds and looting and people who probably didn't actually care about the cause using it and hijacking it just like kind of me too?
Yes, but it absolutely had to happen.
People, that clip, everything you see there be like, dad's a racist, he's whatever.
It's like, I'm not.
And people, of course, I'm going to say I'm not.
It's me.
Like, even if you are racist, everyone, like, I have this black friend or whatever.
I'm fucking not.
And I'm far more on social causes.
To the left.
To the left.
If you called yourself a comedian, do you think you would get away?
I've said, I've said Barcelona was a comedy site.
Barstool is a comedy site, but if you were like, oh, I am like an internet comic, like I'm on.
If you watch that original clip, I don't think there's anybody in the world who with a straight face can say they weren't trying to be like funny.
They talk about it in a comedy.
It's like, you know what?
When the show is out, it's like, we want to be part of my take meets, like the Chelsea Handler like setup.
Like come around with subjects.
But I do admit when I go on Fox News and I'll interview Trump, like I get taken, like Nelk.
You guys all know Nelt.
Yeah, of course.
They'd fuck Trump.
Like, that's how much they love Trump, but they don't get the blowback.
I've had the convention doing YMCA.
Yeah, and I don't.
I literally was on their show being like, I wouldn't vote for Trump if he ran again.
I think he's too divisive.
Like, I just don't want to see the country tear apart.
I don't like Biden.
I think he's a terrible president.
But for the sake of like this country and people like holding hands and not fucking hating each other, because he's intentionally divisive, Trump.
So again, people can listen to what they want to say about me, like the abortion shit and we're going down.
Like I was the abortion thing.
I feel Fox News people hate it for me because it's like, that is a issue to me.
It's like I would never tell a woman what to do with their body.
I think it's insane that you would ever try to overturn that.
Those issues are more important to me than like the financially conservative.
People just don't have an understanding of who I am.
Like I say, each issue, I feel differently.
And I don't care left, right.
I view it like straight on.
And the people that know you know that.
What's interesting is that you don't get any support from the left when you support the left.
They fucking want, they just want to rip my throat out.
It actually makes me a lot of what Elon has said lately.
It's like, I know how you feel, buddy.
He's like, they're making me hate the left.
That's the hardest part is that like it's easy.
And I talked to Joe about this too.
It's like, it's very easy when one side clearly wants to ruin your life and the other side.
It's embracing you.
It's easy to fall into that embrace.
You have to be incredibly diligent that you don't become right wing because then you'll lose all the people who might be, you know, middle to the left that like the fact that you're a people that a lot of fans have been with me forever.
So it's like they know who I am.
You can't pull, like you said, a lot of people know that end clip.
The Kaepernick thing, you know, it literally fixes this.
You don't think they're ever saying comparison.
But if you have no idea why he's protesting, and at that time, the biggest thing going on in this country wasn't BLM or anything like that.
It was like terrorists and shit like that.
That was like front of mind.
Guys kneeling for the national.
It's like, what is going on here?
Who do you think affected America more?
What do you mean?
Terrorists of Capitol.
Kaepernick or someone.
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These things need to happen.
That's another one.
Like I got accused of like supporting Harvey Weinstein's the fucking worst like human who ever lived.
Yeah.
We talked about that when it came out.
We got to the point where like the people who didn't like us listened to everything we said.
That's the Howard Stern thing.
We had like, but they clip it and release it.
Oh, not they listen to it.
So we used to have a two-hour radio show every day.
We do 10 things.
I'm not just a radio guy.
I jump on, we'd talk for two hours.
Who the fuck knows what we're saying in two hours?
Supposed to be comedy.
But like our enemies would record it and they'd wait.
So like Harvey Weinstein, when that all happened, we prefaced it.
Biggest scumbag in the world.
He should go to jail.
This isn't about Harvey Weinstein.
Hypothetically speaking, if you're a Hollywood agent and you're a young actress, you're both willingly like want to do a trade.
Like, there's no pressure, none.
The girl's like, you're going to put me in an A-list star role.
Yeah.
I'll sleep.
I'm happy.
There's no complaints after.
Should that be legal?
That was what we asked.
And they turned it into like, that's not what Harvey Weinstein did.
He's a fucking basically a rapist, deserves everything he got.
But, you know, it's, it's, I haven't been careful, I guess, because of the Kaepernick thing, but it, I, I don't think, you know, you should be allowed to talk about things without being shamed.
I think what happens is you reach a certain level of influence and people are afraid of the influence.
And I think that's, you know, clearly that happened with Rogan.
I think that happened with you.
And that happened with a lot of people that can move culture.
You know, if politicians are seeing the amount of like power you actually have to like sway public opinion and they don't have a way to control you, they have to make you radioactive.
Now, if they had a way to control you, they don't have to make you radioactive, right?
They go, hey, Dave, we know you did some crazy shit.
You better.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
I got in a debate with AOC.
Like AOC.
Yeah, what was the AOC?
Unions.
She loves unions.
So she never had a union job her life.
And by the way, how does she know about the union?
Like, I've nothing against unions.
Like, that's a perfect example.
I just don't, like, what do you, I don't understand how she understands.
Listen, the idea of a union, I think, is noble.
It's like you need union.
This country needed unions.
You had manufacturing jobs, people working fucking a million hours a day.
You needed it.
But I had a dead spin, which is the worst company that ever fucking lived.
They're the worst.
All they do is fucking bitch and moan and try to fucking get cloud chase us.
They're the fucking worst.
And they change gawker, all these.
Well, I've been around for 20 years, Barcelona.
They've been around for 20 years.
So I fucking hated them for basically close to 20 years.
And they created it.
They created a union.
And it's like, guess what?
They fucking still went out of business.
All their writers got fucking fired because they're talentless fucking losers.
In my business, you don't need a union.
If you're talented, you get a job.
Like, you don't need it.
But fine.
Every industry is different.
They all got fired.
And the union's like, we're getting fucking not treated right.
And I made a joke about them.
I'm like, where's your union now?
Tough guys.
They're not, you're still all getting fired.
It was just anything I can do to need a dead spin, I'm going to do.
AOC comes out of the fucking clouds.
I never talked to her.
I barely knew who she was and tweeted at me like, you can't be anti-union, whatever.
I'm like, oh, all right, here we go, AOC.
So I started going back with her.
People were filing complaints to the National Labor Relations Board.
I had to agree to issue like an apology being like, if people want to create a union at Barstool, they could.
It's so fucked up.
Our guys tried to create a fake union and trick like the people who hated me, be like, Dave's trying to shut down our union.
Like, and then there's articles actually treating that as a real art.
That's how fucked up our world is.
I saw that headline and I thought that was real.
No, fuck no.
It was like my friends, like just fucking with the media.
But isn't that crazy?
Yes.
Yes.
Isn't that crazy that I did?
That's how fucked up it is.
Oh.
Yeah.
And you got tricked and you're Gen Z. You know what I mean?
I'm all about the internet, dude.
I got all the apps.
Yeah, and I think I said, I treat our guys at locker room.
It's like, oh, these guys want to fucking create a union.
I'll quit and see how their union does.
Like what you were talking, like, but we bust balls.
That's what we do.
But people take what we say internally.
And that's something that as we've grown, you know, we start, it was me.
Then there's two guys and there's three guys.
And we're just sitting around a room with a camera, internet 1.0.
No one's paying attention.
And we continued to talk like that as we continued to grow and the world continued to change.
Things got taken differently.
Sometimes out of context, some again, it's like, I think we're joking.
I don't mean to offend people.
That Kaepernick, that whole story I just told, would we do it now?
Not in a fucking million, zillion years.
But your intentions aren't bad.
I think that's correct.
And by the way, nobody said a word about it.
Until it was time.
Until BLM happened.
And it wasn't just us.
It was a lot of people.
They went back.
It's like, what have I always said?
All right, we've been doing this for 20 years.
If you think we are as mean-spirited and hated and bigoted and racist as you think we are, I think you'd have a couple more examples than what you were able to do in 20 years of we don't dead spin.
An example, Gawker, they deleted their entire Twitter.
Like they went back, delete it all.
I haven't deleted dick.
Like everything I've said for 20 years is there.
Go.
Wow.
Yeah.
Go find it.
You're a brave man.
Wow.
I know what I say and what I don't say.
I know when people are lying about me because it's like, I don't talk like that.
I know when they're not lying about me.
But it's, you know, it is what it is.
It is what it is.
Early days.
Yeah.
Barstool.
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There's some interesting stories about how you got the whole thing started.
But even before that, I heard there were three business ideas that you had outside of college.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The furniture company.
But this is, I think, essentially lucrative.
It's called Barstool.
The furniture company.
Everyone is there.
No, it was.
The furniture and a scouting company.
Okay, but the furniture was.
So the furniture was, if anybody who's ever gone to college knows semester ends, streets become littered with furniture.
They're thrown out.
So I'm like, you know what?
I'm going to get trucks.
I'm going to go pick all this furniture up for free, warehouse it, put it online, and then sell it back to these students, you know, when they move in.
So that was, that was number one.
Number two.
Next step scouting.
So this, I built the software.
Paid people to build it, like you actually built it.
Yeah, I built the software.
I had a business plan.
I had everything.
It was again, you gotta remember when I started the internet was like infancy.
Yeah, it was going.
So this was a recruiting agency.
Uh, so I I like played baseball in high school.
I I was good, not great, like could play d3 maybe, if I was lucky, d1.
But it was built for the guys or girls not being recruited to play like big time college sports, but division three coach still wants to win.
So it's the goal was connect an athlete with a coach.
So the coach go into the database, search his area, see who's in there.
And we pay local scouts.
Like every high school has people, people go to every game.
Yeah, so you get like 10 bucks.
You fill out a scouting report on a player, you put it in and it connects the coach with the uh player uh school, everything.
So you can see, you know who's in your area, who wants to go where, what they're like, watch video on them.
That was uh, I built that database, yeah.
And then the third idea is a gambling newspaper.
That's what we are yeah, so the third of those three you think was going to be your success.
So, so the easiest one for me to start was the gambling newspaper is, which is what I started.
But you thought that that was going to be.
That's why I started it.
Really yeah, that's what Barstool was gambling newspaper.
So I i've always gambled.
Um, at the time Barstool started.
Oh, I figured you would have thought the scouting thing would have been the.
No, there was so many different people involved in it.
It's like was really hard.
You had to go get the scouts and the coaches and then the.
The way it worked.
The parents would pay.
That's how you made money.
Parents would play to add their kid to the database.
Um, but no, I thought I talked to all these offshore sports books and I was like, what do you guys need?
I'm interested in this industry.
I actually flew to Vegas, met with like marketing people at casinos um, to see how do I get in involved in the industry.
The offshore sports book said the internet was too cluttered at the time, like it was if you went on a gambling site.
It was like fireworks and it looks like you got your credit card stolen.
Basically, they were so cluttered.
They're like, we don't want to be online, we want to be in a physical newsletter.
If you have that, we'll advertise.
So I sold like a year's worth of advertising before we launched.
Oh okay, and that basically gave me time to figure out our formula, which went from straight gambling to more men's interest, like put a girl on it.
I put Jessica Beal on the cover one time, blatantly illegal.
It's like whatever, no one's paying attention what we're doing.
And when I did that, everyone's like more girls, please more girls.
And we started morph and we used to be like in Boston, a localized maxim, we'd get a local girl, do a full-blown photo shoot and she'd be a girl from Boston.
Yeah, and that, and that's how.
It was hard to find.
No problem.
You'd be surprised.
That's that's more.
That's more racist, stereotypical than anything.
I'm saying you don't like freckles.
What's wrong with freckles?
Instead, it's pretty girls in Boston.
Even you don't believe that.
No, I do.
You can lie, I absolutely.
Where's your girlfriend again?
Where's she from?
Yeah yeah she, she's from.
She was born in Columbia.
There are four ways you can get so much.
So boss.
Anyhow, that that opened the doors.
It's like once we start putting the pretty, they were pretty, you know, advertisers were like, I thought when we did the advertising, you know, sports teams, casinos be like, how do we advertise?
How do we advertise?
They didn't.
They didn't give a fuck.
They're like, well, Foxwood's big casino.
Mohegan's son, big casino.
Like, we advertise with the Red Sox.
We already reached the sports crowd.
We don't need you.
I put a pretty girl.
They're like, wait a minute.
Because there was, yeah, they're like, if he knows where the pretty girls are, that's where the guys are.
So that opened up the advertising for us.
Wow.
So people be like, he's sexist.
No, it's trial and error.
That's that's what companies are sexist.
That's what brought us money.
So that's what we did.
And as Barstool begins to grow, is there anything that like creatively you're a perfectionist about?
No.
It is outcome related.
Driven.
Yeah, yeah.
Every single time, right?
Well, our biggest advantage that we've had over the course of our existence is being quick and nimble.
Be like, if we'll try anything, it doesn't work.
Move to the next.
Try next thing.
Doesn't work.
It works.
Go and go like hard and don't think about it and just go.
And that's like, I'm trying, like, obviously the pizza thing.
Pizza Saturday for the boys was something that like just exploded.
We did a concert tour that like, so from 2004 to 2010, we were only in downtown Boston.
And I was like, I got to get out of downtown Boston and see, do we have fans other places?
So we did a sixth, sixth city, I guess you call it, music tour because it was like, I need a sponsor for the tour.
And what can let a liquor company get involved?
Because it could be over 21.
Music.
They can put their name on music.
So we got this dude, Sammy Adams.
No one had heard of him at the time, but he was from my neck of the woods, paid him 20 grand for six shows.
We went to UMass, URI, like Quinnipiac Toads, six places all around New England.
UMass, we're going to a bar.
These are all bars.
The beer.
He's a play off of the beer.
Yeah, off of Sam Adams.
Yeah, yeah.
But his name's actually Sam Adams.
Oh, that's his real name.
Oh, wow.
This guy loves history.
He loves history.
No, he's pretty big.
He was, he's, I got a song with like, yeah.
Not in reading Jr., whatever.
He blew up.
So we were going to all bars.
Yeah.
And the school, the school UMass called me and like, what is this?
We called it Stoola Palooza.
And they're like, what is this?
All the students are calling, being like, can we buy tickets?
We don't even know what they're talking about.
Like, we're just going to a bar down the road, but we called it UMass, but we're not, it's not affiliated.
It's like, would you ever be willing to do it at the Mullen Center, which is their basketball arena?
I was like, we can't do it there.
It's like, what are you talking about?
We can't afford that.
They came up with some deal and we sold out in five seconds.
Wow.
And that kind of, that was eye-opening.
Hold on, hold on.
This is when you're still in the newspaper stage or you've moved in?
We had the blog.
So we were in newspaper and the website.
Are you getting analytics on the blog yet?
No.
So you don't know how many fucking people are reading.
This is the first time you find out.
And we showed up in all these tours sold out in a second.
We showed up on campus.
People had our signs in the windows.
It was like, holy.
Do they know what you look like yet?
Yeah, they're like following you on the main.
Yes, they do kind of shit.
Yeah, yeah.
But I didn't know they knew, but I didn't know they knew.
It was eye-opening.
So that was 2010.
And that was the first time.
It's like, holy shit, we have something way bigger than maybe I really realized that we had.
And it's funny.
So we made, that's the first time we made real money.
I thought, this is, geez, we have kind of a talent that people know, but they don't really know.
I'm going to blow this the fuck up.
And I hired, so our next tour, I call back to stool.
So we did Stool Palooza, the second round.
And on it, headliner was Mike Posner.
Shades cooler than me.
Wale, Mac Miller.
I paid $1,500 for Mac Miller.
That's how early.
So we were so plugged into the college scene.
I was like, who's coming up?
And I was like, this dude, Mac Miller, this dude, Mac Miller.
So $1,500, six shows.
I paid almost $100,000, I think, a show for Posner, who had like the number one software.
Oh, Dutch Isle of College, right?
No, that's Sammy Adams.
And Asher Off.
Ashton Roth.
That's right.
Sam Adams had a take on that.
I hate college.
Anyhow, no, cooler than me, shades.
The song was that.
So, and I rented out huge buildings like DC, you like big, big buildings, sold the same amount of tickets if less.
I thought we were going to business, actually.
And what I learned from that, our people going didn't give a fuck about the talent.
They cared about us.
And then we came out with our third version of it, which is called the Blackout Tour, which was early EDM.
Like Avici played our shows.
It was like, and again, we weren't paying.
It was so fucking early.
And it blew up.
It became the biggest thing in the country.
And are you the one that's finding these artists?
Are you talking to people on the team?
Like, who's got their?
We just send an email, tell us who's hot.
And everyone would be like, this guy, that guy, this guy.
It was crazy.
I was clearing during the blackout show.
I thought I was going to hurt.
I was making between 250 grand, 500 grand a night into my pocket.
And it, it, but we also started causing riots.
We, like, we came to New York.
The police commissioner was asked about us at a press conference, like, what are you going to do to stop the Barcelona?
It was nuts.
We had news crews following our around.
Yeah.
And as it was going, I'm like, holy shit, I'm going to be like a billionaire.
And I'm investing all in production lights.
Like you, it, it looked like a full-blown, like you go to an EDC type.
Like we were doing that.
And as quick as it came, it went away for a variety of reasons, which was A, the artists themselves became so big, it went, we'd be the only EDM show at a place for a month where suddenly there were five a week.
And we were, well, we were playing Ave's music.
You could pay the same to see Avici the next day.
So every, and we like, there were a lot of ODs and shit at a lot of these at point.
And if someone died or got hurt, no one ever mentioned that.
They mentioned us because we pick up the phone.
We had our name on it.
You don't know who to complain about at a concert with us.
The insurance went through the roof.
So when it was all said and done, we probably broke about even on the blackout tour, but it helped fund a lot of the things that propelled us to the next stage.
So at this point, you're like, people really fuck with what we're doing.
Correct.
And they fuck with us.
They're not fucking with the talent necessarily that we're bringing on as like musicians.
We are tapped into the culture here.
Correct.
You're in build mode, I imagine.
Yes.
How do you take it from regional to everybody in the world knows about Barcelona?
That's never been totally planned out.
But so essentially, we started in Boston.
I got to the point and it helped.
I got a little free money with these tours where it's like, I can afford other people.
It's like, let's replicate what we have.
So we started Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, and a lot of the guys still there.
So, you know, Big Cat in Chicago, KFC in New York, Smitty.
Yeah, they're all still with us.
And I, we stayed there from 2010 to 200, what are we about 16, six years just growing, like, and making more than I ever thought I'd, it's like, all right, full-time job.
I'm never going to have to do something else.
I like this.
And the Cherno group, there's, you guys know Jared Lorenzen.
He was like, played for the job.
Lefty.
Yeah, Hefty Lefty, Pillsbury throwboy, passed away, but awesome dude.
And we became friendly with him.
One day he's like, hey, my agent's friend wants to talk to you about Barstool.
Will you be down to talk to him?
I'm like, sure.
I always had requests like this, different VCs or whatever.
None of them serious.
But this guy was at Yahoo, Yahoo.
He ran Yahoo Sports, went to Chernin Group.
I talked on the phone.
He's like, will you meet with me?
Like, sure.
He flew from San Francisco to Boston the next day.
So you know he's serious.
He's basically like, if I gave you money, what would you do with it?
Investment.
And I was in Boston.
We're all spread out.
I'm like, you know, I think a kind of blog reality situation would work.
Like, house us all in one spot and let's just make content, turn the cameras off.
Like no one really does that.
And he's like, all right.
Yeah.
I think that could work.
And the only thing I'm like, you can't, I'm in control of content.
I sold 51% of it to them, but I had final say on everything on content.
So that, and I hired Erica Nardini, our CEO, because we needed help on that.
She was the perfect hire.
And that was like putting gas basically, you know, on a fire.
We already had this underground base, but we were so like to advertise with us or do anything, you needed to like call in a favor, basically.
Like people would be like, we want to advertise.
Like, I don't fucking care.
I'm not going to deal with you.
I was happy with how we were doing.
And it just really exploded from 2016 to 2020 when we sold it to Penn.
Okay.
At what point is your dad proud?
He was proud.
Keep in mind, my dad is a guy who, if he sees an article on ESPN up to like three weeks ago, would try to fax me the article as opposed to.
So how old is your pop?
He's 70s, early 70s.
Okay.
My pop's 80.
Yeah.
So, I mean, it probably took like, if we started, I started this thing in 2004, 2010, but a lot of like, how's this person know you?
How's that person though?
He gets it now.
I gave him his own like show on Sirius for a bit just to keep him happy.
He's going to get mad about that comment.
But he gets it.
Like I was able to buy them a place, help out my sister.
So he gets it.
Is he vocal?
Is he like, does he say, hey, I'm really proud of what you're doing?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he recognizes the magnitude of what you've created or is there?
He gets it now.
He gets it now.
How can you not?
Not saying that in like an arrogant way, but like we're talking like the Celtics.
Like I'm sitting next to Draymond Green.
Like, how can you see?
But that's how they reference things, right?
It's he must be doing well because he's at this institution that I recognize only people who are doing well.
In like the Trump interview, for example, he hates Trump.
Yeah.
Like poison.
Yeah.
And I didn't tell him I was interviewing him.
And then I FaceTimed with Trump, be like, dad, you got anything to say?
He froze up like my son's like FaceTiming me with the president of the United States.
Leaking Tapes and Alley Drops00:07:16
If you don't get it then, you're not going to probably get it.
But he's super proud and they've been super supportive.
Were you close?
Is he your introduction to sports?
Oh, yeah.
So he goes, hey, we're playing baseball.
Oh, yeah.
He's a huge sports guy, like all of his terrible at sports, but we're a big sports family.
Huge.
My mom, too.
Oh, really?
Yeah, yeah.
And is she more keyed into what you're doing than your pop?
So she'd know about the internet a little bit more and know.
No, they're both about equal.
I mean, listen, that's the thing that I love, not to riff, but like we talk about business inside or all that shit.
Like they don't get or it doesn't reach them.
No, they don't, it does.
Like the business side, they don't get the effect making shit up does.
Like my parents have to read that shit.
My girlfriend's parents, who I hadn't met yet, the first thing they're reading is shit like that.
Like, who is it?
Did they see any of your videos?
My dad.
My dad.
My dad, my parents didn't mention the videos for months.
And we went out to dinner one night.
Oh, no.
And my dad looks at me.
He goes, did you do that like the Kardashians on purpose?
And I was like, are you fucking kidding me?
The guy would leak that on purpose.
He's like, with you, I don't know.
So that's the only time that we've talked.
Do you think that they've watched it?
No, I don't think so.
They're definitely.
I don't know.
Like, you want to see what you kid, you know?
Like, I had to, again, before these, like, the BI articles came out, I called, I knew it was coming.
I'm like, hey, this is coming out.
It's all bullshit.
And they know.
I mean, anybody who knows me knows.
So, but it's still, you know, I don't like it.
I don't like walking around with people who don't know me making assumptions like this guy's fucking crazy person.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That sucks.
How long?
And then they have to come up to you and say, like, one bite, everyone knows the rules.
And they're like, well, which type of bite?
The day my first sex tape leaped.
It's like an alley drop.
It's an alley drop.
That was the weirdest every, I've never, I couldn't go a step without somebody being like, saw a tape, saw a tape.
Somebody like, good job.
This, like, it was, I mean, it's weird because the guy who is like a sex tape broker who did the Kardashian tape, did Paris, loves me.
So he's now, if something comes up, he gives me a heads up.
He's like, just so, you know, people are shopping this shit.
It's like, thanks, man.
How can they shop it?
I don't understand.
You can't tell you that.
You can't, you, you, you can leak it.
Like, that's one thing to make clear.
Like, we get taken down.
Right.
You'll know someone's making money on it.
Yeah, because I would have to sign off on that, like, being made my, like the Kardashian thing.
She had to sign off on that to, or else it couldn't have been, you know, used the way it was used.
So she's acting like, woe is me, someone leaked this.
No fucking way.
It's not going to Vivid and all those things unless she signed off.
Because you could come for them.
Correct.
Yes.
Like, no, I, I, that, you, ours, thank God, because I don't give a fuck about me.
Like, honestly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But they're pretty old, the sex tapes.
And I never was like, oh, people are going to want to watch me fuck.
Like, that never crossed my mind.
And I feel bad for the girls.
Right.
Like, no, again, it's.
Do you think you've gotten better at sexing?
So, like, no, no.
I think that's one of those things.
Like, if I want, like, you're like, if you're fucking, that's my brother.
If you're 90, and it's like your pitchers came in like, oh, I want to throw 99.
No, you got what you got.
But you're a good call.
No.
So, but I feel awful.
Again, there are people who are trying to get at me with no regard for the girl.
Correct.
And in the guise of protecting the girl.
Yeah.
Right.
And it's like, I don't give a fuck.
You're not hurting me.
Like, everything's out there.
I've had the worst things said about me.
People see me in moments I would prefer not to, but you're not.
The damage you're going to do is actually like, girl, not the fucking me.
Those tapes didn't really hurt you.
No.
Well, you're just a wild boy.
Like, yo, they're wild boy.
Yeah.
A lot of eye tattoos.
How many girls from Portland DM'd you after this?
Right.
It's like the old, one of my favorite, one of the roasts, it was a Hasselhoff roast.
I forget which comedian said, but like, how do you roast a guy whose life is a roast?
It's like, what are you going to say?
It's all out there.
Like, you know, again, I would rather not be called like basically a criminal and rapist, which is essentially what BI said, which is insane.
But I guess for everything that's happened in my life, I wouldn't, you know, I've been wildly lucky beats working a nine to five, which I was doing.
But I can see how, I mean, it's crazy.
The things they've written about me is, as you can see, people are like, what does he shop about?
Like, why does someone call you a rapist?
And see how you handle, like if you're in your mouth, shut up louder.
Yeah like, is there a weird freedom though, like once you get past that, like once the worst thing that anybody can say is said and then everybody doesn't believe it.
Yeah, i'd like to think, but it really still bothers me.
Everyone's like.
Why you guys so mad about it?
It's it just is, I mean, I think, the number one thing and this is before it came out that people liked, or they're like oh, I like how he does that.
Uh, and again, it's not something I knew was gonna be public, but HBO did like a little inside sports on it.
Yeah, I have champagne bottles in my office engraved with people I hate.
Yeah, on a business, I just wait to pup them and then again, it's just that's like me.
Yeah yeah, this was before the bi.
Yeah um so yes, some people may be like, oh I, I can't, that's my nature.
It's maybe East Coast, whatever.
Like, I hold long grudges.
Yeah yeah, do you have champagne bottles in your office right now?
Yeah really, is that what motivates you?
Like yeah I, I think, I think it is yeah, I think it I, I like, so you have to thrive on hate.
Yeah, it's like that's the mj.
It's weirdly like if they just left me alone, if they have that big of a problem, I wouldn't have the motivation.
Yeah, but they keep like it.
It Bernard Hopkins you remember the boxer?
Yeah yeah, that's.
He said something very similar, what it was exactly.
He's basically saying that, like he needed the beef to motivate him.
And when he became the face, like when everybody started loving Bernard Hopkins and the guy, he's like I don't have that drive that I had.
I need everyone to hate me.
I need to take the Puerto Rican flag, stomp it in Puerto Rico.
Yeah, everybody throwing fucking plantains at him.
And then go and beat Tito, Trick Dad and knock him out in the 12th round.
And for athletes, I miss kind of like Brady fucking crying when he's talking about getting drafted like the six guys ahead of him.
Yeah, I don't know it is.
It's different.
The hate that i've gotten recently was such a different level.
Yeah like, I can rational, I get like the stuff we talked about, the rundowns of the, the cabernet I get it.
I can see how I get what I said.
Looking back is like, yeah he, he.
I think if you really sit down, talk to me like I, I kind of get what he's saying.
The other stuff they're crimes.
Yeah, people are.
It's a different level.
Yeah, you're saying I basically committed a crime, a crime, and it just didn't happen.
And not only did it not happen, there's text messages where they're just didn't put, oh, they should go to jail for this.
I 100, because if you're trying to take my life away, then what's the cost for you 100?
Whatever could this a yo-yo report of the first one.
Proving Feelings Without Kids00:03:32
The second one's, this girl had never written an article.
No no, putting someone that's on like you're trying criminal, crate cases in the media and it's almost with the Elon i'm not the Elon, excuse me with the giant.
It's a giant death.
Yeah, it's like, if you want to go to court, go to court, do it like how they did, but to try these cases in the media yeah, it's, it's insane.
Like Washington POST, in my mind, should be held responsible for publishing that, no doubt.
Yeah, and outside of like legal retribution.
Do you protect yourself mentally any other way from like the onslaught, from like those publications?
No, the only thing is I know what i've done, so like I don't really give a fuck what people who don't know me think about me.
I do want the revenge and things like that, but You know, I know what I've done and what I haven't done.
And that's, that's it.
It's like, it's just not true at all.
So it is what.
I wonder if the Deb Hurd trial changes things a little bit.
I'm curious.
Because now there's a price attached to lying.
Lying costs $7 million now.
Yeah.
$8 million.
But it was everything's different because for my thing in particular, there's no way these girls, the statements they use is like, I felt like he was being aggressive.
They didn't say it.
They didn't do anything.
They talked to me for three years, but I can't prove that they didn't feel.
It's crazy.
Yeah, And as fucked up as it is, the first BI, this is going deep, but they wrote that article.
I proved in my mind, clearly it's all fake.
And they're like, are they going to take it down?
And I asked, like, no, because now it's a news story.
So even though it's not true, the fact that it's not true is news.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it's like, but they wrote it.
It's just crazy.
Do you ever, do you ever think that you'll have a family?
I'd like to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it has to be right.
What is right?
I don't know.
I hopefully will know it.
Yeah.
But I don't know.
Yeah.
We're looking for more answers.
No, I'm just curious.
I mean, I'm getting old, obviously, but no, you're getting old, but also like, I know you have this.
It seems like you really care about your pops.
And he probably, you know, did a good job bringing you up.
Yeah, I mean, I want to have kids for their behalf.
But also maybe for what you could bestow on them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's got to be right.
I mean, it's got to be right.
My life's been a crazy life.
I like it.
I like having the freedom I have right now, which is like, you know, traveling all over the place and doing whatever I want at the drop of a hat.
But yeah, no, it, you know, again, a lot of people, I was married for five years.
Yeah.
I'm dated her for five before.
So I've had a bunch of different lives to be totally honest.
But you could be okay not having kids too.
Yeah.
I'm not sitting there being like, damn, I'm fucked if I don't have kids.
Yes.
Right, right, right.
And you could be okay with retiring and not having kids.
Like, I'm one, like, you have this insane amount of energy, right?
And like, when the focus is put towards somebody that's coming after you or beefing or building a business, you've had a pretty good track record.
Right.
I'm, I, I, I relate to this in terms of like, I like intense focus on this, right?
I'm curious about what the later half of my life looks like when I stop this.
Like, yeah, right.
What do I do with that energy?
Can I relax on a beach?
Can I shit?
I think I can.
People have always said they don't think I can, but I think I can.
I like just watching fucking TV, laying by a pool or a beach and betting on horses.
Like that's, I like doing that.
I don't know.
I think I could.
Yeah.
I don't know.
But you're like, you want to get you get an itch.
Buying Crypto Cheap00:03:19
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So I've been doing this for 20 years.
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You know, I've been again, it's all I've done.
People are always like, oh, is he a good businessman or get lucky or what is combo?
What?
It's like, this is basically the only thing.
I love the, he got lucky.
It's like, yeah, everybody gets lucky.
Nobody doesn't have luck, motherfucker.
You need it.
But that's not why you're not successful.
Yeah.
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NFL Grounded by Cops00:11:14
I really need to understand.
You understand people.
Why the fuck do you think the pizza review is as popular as it?
My friend who buddy in Toronto, he said these words and he does it.
He's not a very hyperbolic guy.
He goes, why the fuck is the pizza review?
Why do people love this thing?
He goes, he shut down the city in Toronto over the pizza review.
Are you familiar with this?
Yeah, yeah.
Something happened.
Yeah.
What is it about?
That's everywhere.
That's what is, why?
Why?
I don't know.
It's, I think food is something everyone can relate to, pizza specifically.
The way it started, they're just so organic.
Like sometimes when I have guests, they're like, that's it.
It's like three minutes.
But I was giving honest reviews.
That helped.
So I would say if a place was bad and the characters in the streets, that made the things work.
Like it started in Boston, but it really took off in New York because, and I still love Boston, but New York is a fucking weird city and the people in it are weird.
And it almost was more an ode to New York than anything else.
It was, you were getting real feel of New Yorkers just jumping in.
Like, you know how that, like the sidewalk Knicks video went crazy?
Yeah, everyone jumping.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's sort of not to that extent.
But the characters that were just walking in, it just you get to showcase authentic New York characters in an organic way.
You're not like putting them on lights.
No lights, nothing.
You don't know they're coming until they walk.
And they come in and fucking pizza.
I mean, it was a combo.
It was the pizza that became, and then you do it so much.
People are viewing me as a credible pizza.
So I walk around the city like literally yesterday, and it probably happens once a week.
I'll see someone out of town or from New York being like, we're doing your pizza tour.
We're going to all the places.
I've done huge.
I've followed, I have your app, and I think I got excited.
I've probably seen 500 of them.
I love seeing this mom and pop like, are they going to blow up after this?
Because I know if he gives them something in the eights, they get mad.
So that's the thing.
And it was this like American success story.
It's the same.
Like, how many of that time?
How many has that happened to you?
Like, if I give something above an eight, it changes home.
What's the biggest blow?
Yeah, it's like, they'll run out of adult by noon.
Really?
It's amazing.
It's crazy.
I think lines around the corner.
You can't get in.
Do you feel inclined when you see like a mom and pop small shop or you're like, how do I be honest here?
How do I?
The only thing that's changed is I won't trash.
Like I used to.
Oh, this is terrible.
I give like a 2-4.
I won't do that.
Have you crushed any places?
Early.
And like they went.
They went out.
No, no, they don't go off.
Because for the most part, you're not going to, if someone likes the pizza, they're still going to go there.
We can help, but I won't just.
And it's much harder.
It's much harder because all the pizza places know me now.
So they see me.
I talk to them for 20 minutes.
Give them a good.
They come out.
They watch it outside.
So I'm not going to be like horrible.
But yeah, it literally the next day, like we start warning them, like heads up.
If I know it's good, not warning that we're coming.
Warning, we're about to post it.
We're going to post it.
You're going to be, you won't be able to get tomorrow.
How do you not let this go to your head?
Right.
You have the ability to change people's lives.
Right.
Right.
Like you did it, obviously, with the barstool fund, but also just going into a restaurant and saying they have good pizza.
You're looking people look at you in a different way when they're livelihood.
How do you not get there's like a fucking God complex that comes with that?
And how do you check that?
Now, I know you can lean into it for jokes and stuff like that, but how in your real life you maintain being like a normal human for me, and I think it's probably similar and maybe not always, but I always an athlete, great athlete, or like an actor is great.
But let's go with the athlete.
They're the best generally from middle school, high school.
And everyone's like, you're the best.
You're a God.
You're unbelievable.
We were a fucking 95 guys.
So you're baked as who you are.
We're pretty grounded.
Yeah, we're pretty grounded, I would say.
And I don't know, that's how I've always viewed it.
It's like I still feel uncomfortable like cutting a line at a bar because I was the guy at the back of the bar.
It's fucking 20-degree weather in Boston, waiting for an hour and seeing someone go to the front.
Like, who the fuck's that guy?
I've been here for an hour.
I will cut line.
I recognize.
It's like, damn.
And like, I mean, I remember a Patriot playoff game.
I waited literally one night.
It was the first game under Parcels that they made the playoffs.
I was in line from midnight to noon the next day.
People were passing out, getting carried out in stretchers.
It was so cold.
Now I, you know, Kraft literally called me.
He's like, want to sit next to me for when Brady comes back.
So it's like, I, I, I've been, I'm grounded in it and it's still surreal.
Like when I was there or I'm sitting courtside, every time I'm like, I can't believe I'm here.
I still appreciate that, but I was pretty grounded.
I mean, I started Barstool at 24.
It didn't make a penny till I was probably like 30.
So to change who you are.
It's hard.
Yeah, at that level.
Yeah.
Is there anything you switched up on on a little level once you got money?
You're like, somebody, when you were a kid, you're like, oh, fuck that.
People always say that like fall barstool, that has kind of changed.
But yeah, I have fucking money.
Yeah, but what are the things that change?
You're like, oh, restaurants are cool.
No, watches are cool.
I've always been.
He's making fun of me.
Like a watch, you know what I mean?
He just came up with like fucking living on the streets in New York, and all of a sudden he gets money.
He's like, Yeah, I gotta watch.
I'm going to five-star restaurants.
I had a good life growing up.
I would have been doing the things I'd been doing with my money.
Like, if I had it, like, I, Fernand Tucket, my favorite place on earth, I started, I'd go one day on vacation, like one night because I couldn't afford more.
Barstool started doing better, two nights, three nights, I bought a house.
So, I've always, I think, actually kind of had like bougie taste.
Like, yeah, it's now I can afford the bougie thing.
That's, I feel like that's a Boston thing.
What's that?
Boston is no, no, no.
Um, there's like even like the working-class Boston guy is aristocratic.
Yeah, maybe.
Like, there was a guy who was like a Mason that I was just like talking to randomly.
He goes, He's fucking missing teeth and he's drinking a fucking beer outside on the side of the bar.
And he goes, Uh, I was like, Yeah, what do you think it is about like Boston?
He goes, We're the aristocrats of America.
And this is a guy with missing teeth.
He just came off the job.
But, like, I think in his mind, he's like, Yeah, but fucking Ben Franklin was here.
Like, maybe, like, I do the same shit.
I always gambled.
I bet 10 bucks a game, 100 bucks in college.
And if I lose, I'm like, holy fuck, I can bet 500 grand a game now.
But if I lose, I'm like, what am I fucking doing?
But I need the rush.
So it's like, what's the biggest bet you ever played?
500 grand.
500.
What was the game?
What was that?
It was, I did a bunch.
It was, geez.
I went through a stretch.
I don't know.
College football is up.
I was probably, I mean, I was betting at every game.
I know which one I lost, which stopped it was Virginia Tech North Carolina.
This dude, Brandon Walker, jinxed it.
But yeah.
Wait, what do you mean he jinxed it?
He changed the vibes now.
I took the lead.
I love gambling, bro.
Bro, that's every gambler.
That's every gambler, bro.
Like, I screamed out.
Do you have like a ritual, like, double tap?
No, it's just you need good vibes.
When someone bets that much, and like it was Virginia Tech had come back, taking the lead, and then two people got in a fight.
They stopped watching the game and like concentrate, concentrate.
And as I said it, the big play happened, changed the vibes.
No.
Yeah, I'm trying to think if I bet that.
I've done that a bunch.
That's the biggest.
I bet prior to that, I had bet 250 grand on the Pats to win the Super Bowl against the Rams.
And I was in jail for it.
That's the game I got dragged out.
So I had no idea what was going on.
I could hear the crowd, but I couldn't.
I didn't know what was happening.
Because you're in the stadium jail.
I was in the stadium jail at the bottom.
Wow.
How is that, by the way?
It was horrible.
And then they walked me out in handcuffs and walked me like probably, I don't know, half a mile away from the stadium.
And I turned on the phone with no idea what happened in the game.
Like I knew it was over, but I didn't know anything about it.
That's a rush.
Are they like you?
So I was banned.
Like I have a, I'm a Patriot fan.
And I have a thing with Roger Goodell, the NFL commissioner.
So a thing.
A real bitch.
We protest.
Brady got suspended for four games.
I went to NFL headquarters.
Keep going.
Yeah, right.
We handcuffed ourselves to each other, four of us, in NFL headquarters, demanding to talk to Goodell.
And we got put in jail for a night.
So that happened.
And that launched to this day an ongoing rivalry with him.
So I'm banned from the Super Bowl because the NFL event.
So I went in, bought a ticket.
I had a ticket and they dragged me out in halftime.
They put me in handcuffs.
They literally dragged me out.
Like I went deadfish.
Like, I mean, like five security guards like picked me up and dragged me out.
Who were you with at the game?
One of my guys.
He videoed it.
It was all Patriot fans, too.
And then they tried to kick me out of the postgame.
I've won a raffle during COVID.
This is this is paid 250 grand to watch Monday Night Football with Goodell.
Oh, wow.
They uh then they contact me like we've done research on your file and you're not eligible.
It's like my file is basically just me being arrested at NFL headquarters.
I don't know how much research you had to do for that.
Um, so yeah, that's why, but I watched that game without knowing, I could hear crowd noise and no one would tell me what the fuck was going on.
I'm like, what's going on?
What's going on?
Also, the cops that weren't even nobody told there was no one around, no phone, no nothing.
Was there anyone else in the cell with you?
Like, anyone else that got arrested at the game?
No, no, it's just me.
It was just me.
It was actually weird because not weird.
The NFL was who put me there.
And this was also must have been like very high security for terrorism.
And the face recognition.
The Atlanta cops, like when they found out what was going on, they were livid at the NFL.
They're like, yo, wasting our time with this guy?
Because they're on full alert for like major shit.
Not a guy who is protesting Tom Brady being suspended.
Like, why, why?
They had like, because the NFL had security drag me out.
Then they called over like 10 cops.
And the cops, like, wait, what, what's going on?
What, what's the problem?
Like, he's a Patriot fan.
Like, that was what I was being basically dragged out.
It was interesting.
Yeah.
Because honestly, why waste cops' time?
Especially if you're that worried about terrorism for a high-profile event where security.
I, again, all my times are screwed up, but I know it was a very serious time where people were worried about security.
Francis Loyalty to Barstool00:12:00
I've heard this about you.
I've heard that you value loyalty.
Above all, yeah.
Above all.
Correct.
Like, really take care of the guys that have gone above and beyond to be loyal to you.
Correct.
My biggest criticism that I get as like a boss is I don't be like, Eda boy, I don't do those.
What do you mean by that?
I'm not like, great job.
You're doing great.
Very rarely say that.
Probably should say more.
I just don't.
It's like, if you don't hear from me, that generally means you're good.
You're doing good.
But the loyalty, I would say, is what the people work for me like the most.
Like I will be very strongly, fiercely loyal to people I perceive to be loyal to me.
And what if their talent isn't matching up to your loyalty?
Is that difficult for you ever?
Or is it like...
No, I mean, I wish it did, but the world needs ditch diggers too.
You know, it's like not everybody can be an A-list guy, but I'll protect you regardless of that.
I never used to fire people.
That's one thing that's changed now that we're a little more corporate.
But I'm up front.
Like if I hired you and it was me early, you had a job for life.
If you were loyal and worked hard, I would never get rid of you, no matter what.
Now, if we hire you, if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.
But I'm up front with that.
Like, you have to produce now.
But the early guys.
Is there anybody that you let go that you're like, damn, I wish I didn't do that?
No.
Like, I know there was that situation with Francis that was tricky.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I didn't, I didn't regret that.
So that's a good example.
So Francis, who's talented, super talented.
Yeah.
But Francis was in it for Francis.
Like, I, and Francis would say that.
Like, Francis was using Barstool as a platform to build for his career.
And if you thought that he was a you know, locked in component of the game.
He wouldn't, I would have gone to, I would have just taken the beating and gone.
Because it's worth taking the beating if you are one of the pillars.
Correct.
Oh, no, even pillar.
If I thought, like, you, and not everyone.
And by the way, I don't begrudge him for it.
It was a different time.
Yeah, yeah.
But if in my mind, you're like, you live, breathe, die, like Barstool, and you really like, it's in there, I'll go to war with you.
Francis, I think if he was sitting here and I've talked to him plenty of time, would openly be like, yeah, no, I'm working on my career here.
You guys are stepping, which is we need people like that.
Yeah.
But I also think that's probably kind of how that stuff gets out.
It's like he's thinking he wants to be more on the edge because that's how it helps.
And then he goes for it.
And then that was just circumstances.
That was the worst circumstance.
The worst circumstances ever.
I mean, just to fill in everybody who doesn't know, what was it?
There was like a girl who was missing.
There's a girl, Francis, very talented, unique, hilarious.
Weird, interesting.
He actually, when I think of a comedian, it's like, that's kind of what I think of, like an eccentric, super talented dude.
But he wrote a blog about a girl who had been missing for weeks at the time.
And then popped up on like Sugar Daddy websites.
Something, yeah.
And I'm talking within or something like came up with an hour after she was found like brutally murdered.
Yeah.
And how after it went out.
And his article was like, she also like followed call her daddy.
And he brought that in.
He's like, of course she follows Call Her Daddy and like Sugar Daddy.
And the girl had been missing for weeks and then was found brutally murdered, like kidnapped, murdered.
And everyone descended.
Of course, Barstool.
So we fired him.
Honestly, it wasn't that hard of a decision.
And again, it was one of those things.
It's like, I'm not going to take the bullet for Francis, who I know is in it for Francis.
Also, he was already kind of on my shit list.
Like we did an event two weeks or something before this happened called the Barstool Awards.
And I sent like an email sponsored.
So we're taking this seriously.
Dress up award show.
Take it seriously.
Showed up like how I'm dressed right now, high as a fucking kite.
And I was like, you mother, it's like, did you not read the email?
This is a big fucking thing.
How do you think we pay the bills?
So he was already on my shit list.
But yeah, if it was somebody else, I would have, I would have cared.
It's not the first time that's happened.
We had an instance where, and he didn't get fired, but we changed roles.
Somebody called like Rihanna fat.
And people, there goes sexist Barstool again.
We've said far worse things than that.
Yeah.
But guy, time, place, how I felt.
It's like, if you're not, if I, I have to perceive the loyalty thing.
And again, I think of Francis right here.
Yeah, no, you're 100% right.
Like, I don't think he, there was any dispute about what he was in it for.
But that's the tricky thing about having a platform is that some people are going to go to that platform because they want to build themselves and some people are going to go because they want to be part of it.
Yeah.
And you got to remember, Francis came over in New York.
Barstool had started.
We'd been business, I don't know, 10, 15 years.
People I had been with who had quit jobs, risked stuff to come.
Those people I'll die for, even though I like them, don't like them.
Like KFC, who you know, like a lot of people like Dave and KFC like, like I do anything for him.
Like he's been with us forever.
He's done everything.
So yeah, each person is.
What's the hardest decision you've had to make?
It's the hardest decision I've had to make.
Like, is anything ever like torn you up emotionally?
No, I don't think so.
Have you cried?
Ever in my life?
I cry over animal movies.
I was about to ask you, movies.
Only if airplanes are Pixar and Marla and me.
Like, I mean, I was cry, cried a little bit and top gun.
Of course.
Oh, my God.
The recent one.
Don't get him started on top gun.
We did this for a week.
He was like, and for somebody probably like your age, it like almost made me feel old.
It's like weirdly because I've seen the original 100%.
Nah, fans.
Yeah.
Nah, fans.
So, yeah, movies.
No, yeah.
Wait, wait, what animal movie?
Now I'm curious.
Farlap.
You guys won't know that.
It's a race horse who like they true story.
They fucking put too much weight on him.
A guy lost on the gambling bench with the horse.
That's what the movie's about.
Yeah, right.
Marley and me.
I want a huge thing.
You're going to be a lunatic to watch Marley and me.
You'll have to catch me off.
Like, you almost have to trick me to get into Brooklyn.
Marketing me is brutal.
Oh, we were talking about like the animals are real.
These aren't cartoon movies they're watching.
Bro, like they're using.
No I King who made me cry.
Okay, good.
When like, you know, wake up dad.
Yeah, like League of Their Own made me cry.
Really?
Yeah, when they're old and they come back to the field.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, movies, movies can get me for sure.
And then you just bottle it back up when you leave.
I don't know.
Movies, yeah.
I don't, I don't know.
Coco, you watch Coco yet?
Great guy.
He cried when he's crossed.
Come on, come on.
Come on.
Of course.
You know what's crazy?
We called.
We announced the Canelo fight that he lost.
We had an alternative broadcast for Dazone.
And Julio Cesar Chavez was sitting in front of us, also announcing for a Mexican.
He was watching Coco.
No.
Yeah.
He had Coco on the screen the entire time.
It's unbelievable, bro.
Yeah.
That was crazy.
Yeah, I respect that, though.
I respect that.
I can't even like, how do you?
And the whole arena is just watching him watch Coco?
No, he was in, like, we were in press row where all the announces are he's the announcer for must be like some Mexican broadcast for Canelo.
So he just on his little screen in front of him had Coco.
If you listen to the broadcast, you can hear him crying while he's announcing this fight.
We mentioned on ours like, he's like, first of all, smash.
That sounds racist as a fucking Cesar Chavez in front of us.
Holy shit.
Second of all, he's watching Coco.
Listen, Dave, I know you've got a busy day.
We don't want to take all your time.
But first of all, I want to say thank you so much for coming.
It's incredibly impressive what you built.
And I admittedly didn't understand what you built early on.
Like even when I first went to Barstool, I was like seeing all these things that were happening and I didn't understand like the machine.
You know, I saw like the specific piece.
Like I saw like, you know, KFC's thing or part of my take with Pop.
Do you remember the first thing you saw on Barstool?
Barstool from Barstool?
For me, it was an Instagram page.
That's crazy.
People know us very different ways.
Yeah, it was Instagram for sure.
It was Instagram.
I think it was like you were trying to transition to just Barstool, right?
It was like, it was Barstool Sports.
We were trying to, we could never buy that domain name.
Yeah.
Like I tried that early, early because we are more than just sports.
Exactly.
It's cool.
Because sports change, like that makes you think it, but we were never able to get the domain.
But I guess what I was going to say, he was going to bestow this compliment on you is that once I, it was really what when I saw you handling the adversity that you were experiencing, that's kind of what I, what I, when I started to understand you.
And I had a very different look at not only Barstool, but what you built.
So I hope there are people who are not familiar with you that watch the podcast and they get this more well.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
I do feel like that's one of the things that overall, when you hear the controversy or people, they're successful, this, that, this, like, and I've said it.
It's like, we're successful.
Not obviously any luck, but all these writers and jealous, like, I just outworked your ass.
I didn't take a vacation day for 10 days.
I did a paper route for 48 hours, literally in an Astro van that I bought on Craigslist, 1800 bucks, and went to every fucking subway station, put my newspaper in the box.
Well, you were fucking probably, I don't know, you were seven years old.
So I don't need your social fucking classes in college to be like these guys, this, that.
It's like, I was just fucking working.
So yeah, that I do think is why I'm never too worried about the controversies.
Yeah.
Because our house, brick by brick, that's like one of our slogans.
Yeah.
Our foundation.
That's what it is.
It's like, so the winds don't block it over because and people know you in the way that I think now I'm getting to know you a little bit more, at least through content, right?
Whereas initially I wasn't familiar.
Literally, I'm saying like Peter Reviews, these types of things.
So, yeah, I think it's, I know, I think it's cool that you go on other platforms and have these conversations because there's no way that you're going to penetrate the people that don't fuck with you through your own platform.
Yeah, I got a feeling your crowd probably fucks with us.
Yeah, I think there might be some cross.
Yeah, yeah.
The people who don't like me, if I gave them a hundred bucks, they're like, fucking asshole, give me a thousand.
I was like, dude, they're never going to like me.
I've come to grips with that.
They just fucking hate me.
Yeah.
There's whatever.
There's haters.
I guess that's what it is.
You know, they're just never.
I don't.
It's been a long time, I feel like, since I've converted somebody who didn't like me to like, oh, I like him.
They just fucking hate you.
I didn't, I never didn't like you, but I know I know.
No, no.
What I'm saying is you converted me into someone who goes, oh, this guy is like a, like a kind of a business genius.
That, that's, that was the conversion.
But I didn't get it initially at first.
And even I would even go on like KFC show.
I was like, what's going on here?
Like, what has happened?
I'm like walking around the office and I'm like, I thought everybody be playing beer pong.
Why is everybody writing?
Like, why is there computers everywhere?
What the fuck is going on here?
Right.
Like, because from the outside, Barstool is like, oh, this is just the frat house.
Like, everybody's having fun.
And then I'm in there and I'm seeing like, oh, people are like really grinding.
And people are trying to like make pieces of content that are going to win.
And it almost has like, it almost has like an athletics vibe a little bit where it's just like, oh, that guy's, that guy's bad in 350.
LeBron vs Draymond Hypocrisy00:11:20
It's very competitive.
Yes.
Very, very competitive.
Yeah.
I didn't understand that that is, that is trickled down.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that, to be honest, we, we, we got an advantage.
We got that.
We're, I always say we're the first like new age company, digital.
Like we get people from networks.
They don't have that drive.
The internet, the beauty of the internet is you can win by yourself.
If you're good enough, you rise.
So it's like what you like, I'll leave it with this, but I have like a painting in my office and it's this guy just pouring glitter into a big star.
And like what that is for me.
And I tell our people at every coming meeting, it's like, you just get in what, like you put it.
I'm never going to be like, oh, this guy wasn't here for lunch or this, that.
Work whatever fucking hours you want on the content.
Just get it done.
It's not even good.
Like, this is you.
This is your career.
If you're, if you do it, guess what?
You're going to have a McAfee contract, a million dollars worth of game, Alex Cooper.
It's like, it's up to you.
It's how much, how hard you want to work.
But it is like SNL.
Everyone's fighting for airtime.
Facts.
Facts.
Do you think they're going to cry when the Celtics lose?
I still think they're going to win.
I want to cry.
That was tough.
That last game was tough.
But Steph is special.
But no, Steph's special.
But if you score like two points in the last six minutes, you're going to lose to most teams in the NBA Finals.
He's great and fun to watch.
And you realize even I don't hate him.
I hate Draymond.
I hate Clay.
I don't hate Steph.
He didn't say a fucking word.
I actually said one thing to him.
He turned because I had seats right there.
I'm like, you're going to have to do it yourself.
He looked because I know I am.
Yeah.
Whoa.
So, like, I don't.
And he did.
Alpha.
Steph is a real alpha, bro.
He don't look like it.
Like, I fucking hate LeBron.
I don't hate Steph.
But again, the Celtics did what?
We scored 18 points in the fourth quarter.
You're not going to win many NBA finals games scoring 18 points.
All right, quick before you leave.
What did you think about the fuck you, Draymond chant?
What's the furthest the audience can go?
That is PG.
That may be G.
I mean, and then his wife was like the language, dude, you swore in front of your kid at the post conference after the game.
And he's got the clip on his podcast being like, fuck Draymond.
No, fuck you.
He plays along with it.
That's his vibe.
That's fine.
Fuck you.
Fuck you, Draymond is nothing.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, nothing.
I'm gonna fuck your wife over the line.
Yeah, like you, Draymond shit like that in the seats.
There was one actually weird, and I also think if players talk back, you can talk to them.
Like a guy behind a couple scrubs complaining to the refs.
He's like, sit down.
And the golden state security guy, he's like, you can't engage with the fans.
Meanwhile, Iguadala came out and Iguadala said to the guy, he's like, it's okay.
He's yelling at the dude.
He's like, they've never seen a black person before.
Well, now you can engage with the fans.
But again, I think the main, I think the main thing is I get it because you're so close to the players and you don't want it to go over that line where it's like, you know, get a mayhem at the palace where people are getting punched.
Right.
You fuck you, Draymonds.
Nothing.
It's nothing.
Nothing.
I don't think there's anything.
So there's a line, but that's not the line.
An F word.
Come on.
And by the way, he brought it on himself.
I mean, he's a fucking maniac.
He goes on his podcast, talk a ton of shit.
Yeah.
So come on.
You, you don't.
That's that.
That's easy.
That's G. That's not PG.
That's G. As long as you keep it towards the player, you don't go family.
It's not threat.
You're not touching, but fuck you, Draymond.
There's no one here who thinks that's a problem.
When you were playing baseball, were you a good shit talker?
You can't really talk shit in baseball.
I mean, because they can throw a baseball.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, I was in the outfield.
I was sitting there in a field by myself.
There's not, you know, basketball, football, but basketball is that's obviously shit talk.
I mean, there's no, everyone agrees, right?
Fuck you, Draymond.
Yeah, it's not that he's heard way worse things, and he's probably said way worse things.
But I do think people cross the line.
Like, sometimes I'll be there and they are talking about wives.
They're talking about like Bronze Kid and shit.
And it's like, yeah, leave the kid out of it.
He's 14 years old.
Yeah, let's just be honest.
I mean, LeBron did say like he, a big regret, he didn't want his kid to have too much pressure, but he named him LeBron like Jr.
So I mean, I mean, like, he's running hat onto the court during his games, right?
Right.
Posting clips of him.
So I, LeBron likes to think you can talk about it.
LeBron likes it both ways.
Wait, are you saying LeBron's a hypocrite, bro?
Yeah.
Are you actually saying right now?
Maybe the old-time hip.
What?
Yeah.
So, LeBron James.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
So, I mean, he's again, most of the people I really fucking hate are born out of rivalries.
Like, that KG, Rondo, Pierce, they went to war with him, and I hated him so much.
Like, that Celtics team's like my favorite, basically, Boston sports team ever.
I like, I loved how much they felt like me.
Like, they were out there like the Ray Allen, the way they fucking hated him.
I'm like, yes.
So, they were like fans.
So, you know, that starred my hatred of him.
And then he's the way he handled himself, like the decision and all that shit.
So, I've been a LeBron hater.
Like, for a long time.
I have an article.
I have an article, I think, 27 Reasons LeBron James is the Antichrist.
And you're a Jew.
Literally.
Literally.
Okay.
One question before he goes, you go.
All the beefs that you've been in, have you ever wanted to throw down?
No, I'm pussy.
But is there any one specific person that if I was confident in my fighting abilities?
If you're confident in your fighting abilities, and you got to be careful here, obviously, because they might be confident.
Well, I've said very clearly, I'm not confident.
Right.
So in this hypothetical, my well, I challenged Rapport.
And he said no.
He had a contract.
He had a $200,000 contract.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He had it.
He got, he, I literally sent it to him.
Fight no way.
Yeah, he had it.
Really?
And what was the issue?
Breakout or?
Yeah, something like that.
Like, you mean, oh, no, I thought you meant, I fucking thought you meant like the breakout of getting paid.
No, no.
Yeah, he, he, he's not one of my favorite cats at all.
I, I, I was a fan of his, not anymore.
Clearly, he were you're gonna like televise it the whole deal?
Yeah, it'd be rough and rowdy.
But I, I, my shoulders are so like, I literally like I went to the doctor the other day.
I need shoulder replacement surgery.
Like, if I, if I did this, my shoulder would dislocate.
So, um, he was a problem.
Bro, you and him both.
You have the same thing?
My shoulders are fucked up.
I literally are we just old.
Literally, my shoulders, I have no car.
It's a disaster.
So, um, he, but I mean, Blodgett, like, I mean, yeah, he, he, you kind of got he's such a pussy.
I may be able to take him in a fight.
Yeah.
Somebody being like, watch out.
He, he's a little country club fucking snot fucking thief.
He was on some, you know, they have the Twitter spaces.
Yeah, yeah.
So I was, the Bruins are playing.
So I was watching them, but somebody.
No, it was Kara Swisher where you popped in.
Yeah.
Somebody's like, hey, yo, like, he's on a Twitter space.
I'm like, he is?
Because they will never respond to me.
So I jumped in it and I can't believe they took me.
They put me on.
I don't know what they thought.
I'm like, yeah, I got something to say.
That fucking Henry Blodgett, you fucking cock.
Why won't you talk to me?
You fucking liar.
They cut me off, but he heard it.
Yeah.
I went off on him.
Oh, he knows.
This over here, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, this was phenomenal.
Do you want to know?
Yeah, but it's funny because of the way that Kara prefaces it.
She's like, okay, we're going to take a chance.
Yeah, I was on mute for a second.
I feel like I'm saying that to Dave Courtnoy, but okay.
Dave, unmute yourself.
Come on, Dave.
Yeah.
Hi.
Sorry about that.
That's exactly.
So, yeah, I saw that piece of shit.
Henry Blodgett on there.
My first question is: why would a piece of shit who's been banned by the SEC from talking about the stocks be on there?
My second question is, hey, Henry, you fucking coward.
You know, everything you wrote about me was bullshit.
Why don't you ever sit down with me, you fucking piece of shit cowards?
That's my question for everybody.
All right, then Dave is gone.
I've offered them multiple times, like, let's sit down.
You can ask me any question you want.
I just want it videoed.
That's it.
I can use it after.
You can ask me anything you want.
To think that you'd write what they've written without the prime suspect being like, hey, I'm giving you a tell-off.
Who says no to that?
They do because they know I have the truth.
And the fact there's no answers for the evidence I have, except, yeah, we were fucking lying.
We're scumbags.
People who don't listen are afraid of the truth.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Bill Clinton said that.
But it's in one of the world.
It's like if you're doing a huge expose on somebody and that person's like, cameras on, let's go.
Anything you want.
It's not an expose.
You know what it is.
It's fucking clicks.
I think you fuck up Henry Blodgett.
I do think you got to be careful.
I think Scooter Bron fuck you up, bro.
I think he likes me.
I think he likes you.
Actually, I got to ask, but I think he, I think he might be able to throw down, bro.
I've never met him.
Yeah.
But I know enough of people in his circle where they're like, have you heard the preface?
Do you know who Dave Grutman?
This is Miami Dave Gruttman.
He's like the king of Miami.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely the king of Miami.
So he, the Grutman, that's Caller Daddy.
He called me and he's like, hey, Scoot Braun wants to talk to you.
He's on the other line.
Will you talk to him?
It's about the caller daddy.
I'm like, yeah, but he knows like who I am, right?
Like, and I meant that in a sense, like, I'm not kissing Scoot Brown's ass.
Scoot Bron.
That's one thing about Barstool.
Think not everyone get.
We operate in a different world.
Like I, the people that other people may have to kiss their ass.
We don't like we're self-sufficient, we don't need fucking dick from anybody.
So um yeah, Grump is like yeah, I told him you're a terrorist.
He's like.
He's like I told him like, just know he's.
I'm like I said Dave, it's on the record, like i'll talk to him.
Everything we say I may talk about repeat.
He's like I told him he wants to talk to you.
So, but I think he likes me, I think.
I think, I think i'm gonna ask him.
I'll ask him that I still.
That's another one people.
Oh, Scoot Brawn called Scoot Braun.
He got in at the worst time.
That was Caller Daddy.
He got in at the 11th hour.
It was done, the whole thing was settled and i've never talked.