Neal Brennan joins Andrew Schulz and Akash Singh to dissect rumors that Kim Kardashian's SNL monologue was a team effort, debating her delivery and the ethics of "outrage marketing." They explore Ayahuasca's impact on mental health, analyze Tyson Fury's boxing dominance, and discuss the exhaustion of producing high-stakes comedy like The Dave Chappelle Show. Ultimately, the group reflects on how niche communities drive cultural trends while navigating the corrosive jealousy and isolation inherent in fame. [Automatically generated summary]
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Mirror Moment With Omar00:15:06
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to Flagrant Suits.
It's your boy Schultze.
I'm here with Akash Singh, Alex Media, Mark Gagnon, the Truffles in the building, and we have a very special guest.
I've been wanting to get this very special guest on for a very long time.
Finally, he got some free time.
Okay.
And an ankle, some ankle jewelry that is worthy of showing off to millions of people.
I don't want to open with it, though.
It's the other one.
It's the other foot.
Oh, I don't even know.
Yeah, sure.
I have so many ankles.
I have so many ankles.
We have Neil Brennan in the building.
We have Neil Brennan in the motherfucking building.
King of the anklet.
We're going to get to the anklet in a second.
I'm sure we have tons of questions about ayahuasca, all this shit, but I do want to clear up a rumor that's going on right now.
I love it.
I told you this earlier, but this is a real rumor.
The rumor is that somebody, not Kim Kardashian, wrote her monologue.
It wasn't penned by Kim, but in fact, a writing team was assembled to write those jokes for her.
Is this true or false?
I have no idea.
Okay.
I don't know.
I have no insight into it whatsoever.
Are you sure you didn't sign an NDA?
I didn't sign an NDA.
I didn't.
I didn't.
Some of those jokes I wish I wrote.
They were great jokes.
You watched the whole monologue?
I watched the whole monologue.
She actually delivered them well.
Yeah.
Say again.
Delivered them well.
She did deliver them cleanly, but you would have to agree, she could have paused.
It was a little, she was a little ahead of it.
I like that she didn't pause.
I like that she bit the end of the laugh.
Because usually when you have someone like a politician or somebody go up there has never done stand-up, they just wait and then it's a restart every single time.
She was able to build some momentum because she was catching up.
I think she could have increased the pleasure from the audience by 30%.
She didn't even, it was one of these things where you're like, what the fuck is happening?
Fuck the audience.
Like, what is happening?
This is so good.
And by the end of it, you're like, I think she, this lady just did 14 perfect jokes in a row.
I think she really doesn't give a fuck about SNL.
She, you know what I mean?
Like, I think the last joke was.
She'd never seen another monologue before.
She'd never seen it.
Yeah, this is good enough.
Yeah, what do I do?
I just go and I say, before I shit on my entire family in existence, yeah, let's go.
Oh, wait, when I talk, guys laugh.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah, I remember this from the 2000s before I met Kanye.
Yeah, did you write on it?
I had nothing to do with it.
Because a buddy of mine, I told you, hit me up and he was like, I saw Neil, Chris Rock, and Blake Griffin at the Mercer having lunch.
Yeah, we were assembling.
We were trying to help Kim Kardashian.
We need to help Kim.
Those are the three I would choose.
Blake Griffin.
What a look that is for Blake Griffin.
To be like, they got the best writers on the country.
They're the best.
They got Neil Brown in the country.
They got Chris Rock.
And of course.
They got Blake Griffin.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, good for him.
And then they were in the sketch.
And so I don't think I have no idea who wrote it.
And then somebody told me, like, I think Schumer wrote it and Seth Rogan somehow was involved.
I have no idea.
No.
But I think the superhero shadow.
Come on.
I think the if somebody goes, yo, Chey wrote it, okay.
They got a bunch of people like that.
They got funny people that are writing that.
Sam Jay.
Yes.
Oh, my God.
Sam Jees.
Keep the jokes.
Keep them.
Anyway, okay, I just need to clear that rumor up before we start the podcast.
I need to know about this huge life change that you went through because I'm curious about ayahuasca.
I don't know if you know this, but I had the shaman, Shaman Omar, on a podcast while we were in Miami.
I was this close to doing ayahuasca.
Why didn't you?
I didn't feel like I needed it.
You were wrong.
Tell me.
Schultz, I'm here to tell you that you were.
Which one's Shaman Omar?
Is he good looking?
Yes.
Afghan guy, part Afghan, part something else.
Sorry, Shaman Omar.
One of them's like an eight or a nine.
Maybe it's Shaman Omar.
Can we bring a picture of Shaman Omar?
He's my friend.
Part seven.
Part seven.
What are you?
What are you?
What do you consider yourself?
What do I consider myself?
11.
100%.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That surprised me.
Why up?
What am I?
Fuck it.
We're here.
Let's go.
What are you?
Well, first of all, I look at Akash.
Soft nine.
Wow.
Thank you.
I look at.
He gave you a week.
You're a wee.
A hard eight and a soft nine.
I disrespect him.
This is actually really good.
What is what is Akash?
When we get to dumps, it's going to break apart.
It's going to break his heart.
Let's make him blast.
What is Akash?
What is Akash?
And judge him on 11.
I'm judging him on the fact that people have said that.
I'm an Indian 13.
This is a little bit like looking in the mirror.
A little bit.
People have said this a long time.
You're a nice Akash.
That's a huge thing.
You're an Indian Neil.
It is a huge.
Dude, it is actually true.
Can he put on the bifocals?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Facial structure now with the beard.
I remember this.
I can see.
Whoa.
Yes.
Wait a minute.
Speaking of this, Mike.
Yeah, exactly.
You can't see shit.
Do you feel better than everyone yet?
I feel richer for sure.
There you go.
Wait a minute.
What is Akash out of it?
Tell me what are we?
If I'm a nine, I mean.
You're not a nine.
I inflated myself.
I inflated you every day.
It's a two-point discount on everybody.
And it's obvious right now.
Even inflating everybody, he still rated himself two points higher than you.
Of course.
I would give you a point.
I mean, and then if you include the point of the point of view, I would give you a point higher.
Yeah, I'll give him a point higher.
Just to throw one point away.
That's all.
Just in fucking delusional confidence alone.
He's got me right there.
Lie to yourself.
It works.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that's important.
I mean, I'll give you an Indian 7.
Indian 7.
I don't know what it is.
What is happening?
Again?
I don't know what it means.
Leave it.
Indian 7.
What does it mean?
It sounds racist, doesn't it?
Prove it.
Yeah, yeah.
Prove how that's working.
It's a real Indian 7.
I'll negotiate it to a 10.
What were the next two numbers you were going to say after that?
11.
Was that it?
I'll give you an Indian 7-11 for sure.
Yeah, you know.
The 11 is silent.
Yeah, Indian 7.
One time we were at a hotel and I was staying.
I met Akash and his family at a hotel.
And this is in Times Square.
And the hotel had put them in room 7-11.
Dead ass.
It's happened multiple times.
And they've never been more at home.
Never.
Am I wrong?
I think we love the hotel.
And it's happened multiple times since.
Really?
Multiple times.
And I don't think I would have noticed if it wasn't for you.
But now I'd be like, oh, this is a thing.
That's what you need white people for it.
And we're now racist.
At least I haven't gotten 9-11.
Yeah.
Yeah, they could have been.
Paulo.
Paula was two floors up having a party, dude.
Okay.
Mark?
Oh, Mark is.
I mean, it depends on where you are.
That's a good point.
There's like, if we're in New York, this look doesn't work.
It doesn't do it.
Williamsburg.
Williamsburg, it works.
Williamsburg, yeah.
But in most parts of the, like Philly, you're.
I gotta go give them $5.
The South, you're like.
Let me go on an Indian scale.
How do I do an Indian?
I mean, Indian.
Am I an Indian nine?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's pair of skin.
He's got blue eyes.
Yeah.
Yeah, like, I'll go.
I'll go eight.
I think you're a point better looking than me.
Needed that.
Needed that.
All right, so I'm leaving the birds right now.
Neil not letting anybody have more than one point.
Let's don't get ahead of you.
Yeah.
Okay, what about Al?
Ankle bracelet Neil's crazy, dude.
He's a wild boy.
Okay, what about Al, though?
I'm like playoff P. Ankle bracelet Neil is Al, let me.
Why are you wearing the hat?
Bad hairline or you got good hair?
No, no, show the hair.
Just because I'm growing it out.
I'm growing it up.
Oh, shit.
No, no, no.
That's going to work.
That's going to work.
That'll do.
That'll do.
Seven.
I'll take it.
And you're not even standing, bro.
No, I'll take it.
You like the seven?
I mean, he gave Okaj a seven.
Oka's got some beautiful ass eyes.
I'm sure.
So who's at 10 to you?
What guy's at 10?
I still spend a lot of time at Hollywood.
Brad's Pitt.
Yeah, he's okay.
Okay.
Yeah, like Brad Pitt, you see him and you're like, fuck.
You think Mark Scott Brad Pitt?
No, give me time.
I'll grow.
Oh, no, no, you just said Mamoa.
Mamo, you're like a white, you're like a shitty white Mamoa.
You just couldn't.
You just couldn't.
You like the waistline.
Oslo, man, but you can only go down 10 meters.
You can scuba dive.
Yeah.
Tony Inglis said, I look like Jay's Mamo in the commercial where he takes all his muscles off.
And then you start doing creatine every single day.
Yeah, non-stop.
Just motivation.
Non-stop.
This is motivation.
Okay, what about Duff?
Keep in mind, I know Dove looks Persian.
Jewish?
He's actually Jewish.
Of course.
Okay, of course.
He's got the posture.
He's got Jewish laptop posture.
Yeah, so Mike can't.
Yeah, you're because you're hypochondriac, Jewish.
Gotta replace the spring.
You got the spring cords, no shoot, no socks.
Are you wearing the hidden side?
Okay.
Your style, you've got an eight for style.
He's a gay.
Wow.
Looks-wise, I gotta take you below.
I'm taking you to a six.
Sorry.
You're on a Hollywood heart drop scale.
Yeah.
It's me, Jake Dylan Hall.
Ryan Gosling is there for him.
Ryan Gosseling.
The other one?
The other Ryan?
Gosling's a 10.
He's a 10?
Yeah.
Ryan Reynolds, Ryan.
I think I got gosling, dude.
You don't got gosling.
I think I got.
Hold on.
I think I got gosling.
Oh.
Son, your lips got thinner.
It's like butter.
This is a long story, but gosling sublet my place one time when I had a place in New York and for like six months or something.
And when I came back, the motherfucker left books of poetry in my house.
Was like, oh, this guy's as good as advertised.
Like, reading poetry in that lot of candles poetry.
You can't do that.
Which one is gosling again?
The gay one, clearly.
Yeah, just compare yourself to him.
The notebook.
The notebook.
The notebook is gossiping.
But no, he's kind of like tough.
He does like a New York accent in his movies a little bit.
He does like a fake New York accent.
He's from Vancouver.
He's, yeah.
He's a Disney kid.
He's like, he's Timberlake.
Yeah, Mickey Mouse Club.
But good choice.
I like the accent.
Yeah.
I think it's worth it.
I still think I got him by half a point.
Hollywood?
No, he looks like something.
You can cut to Schultz.
Son, you can cut to me, boy.
You cut to Schultz, you'll deliver.
Wait, you think you're better looking than me?
On my scale, yeah.
Okay, what's on my scale?
Which scale he does like this Jewish scale?
He thinks he's a Jewish scale.
J date?
Yeah.
I'm six feet.
He's getting swap.
Are you like, do you, are you, do you have, are you a doctor?
Are you like?
Bow your head for a second.
Show the top of your head to Neil.
Just for a second.
Just the top part.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
You're actually doing well.
Is that the.
Are you taking pills?
Oh, yeah, dude.
Yeah.
I don't know how I avoid it.
I was doing great.
Yeah, you actually still have hair.
I used to yank it.
I don't know if that helped.
For what?
I read an article where they said Anthony Perkins from Psycho used to pull his hair and that kept him from going bald.
And I started when I was like 19.
It may have nothing to do with anything, but I do it and it's, I think the hair speaks for itself.
Is baldness in your family?
Not really.
Okay, that probably has more to do with it than nobody else.
At least 1965.
I think it's Anthony Perkins from Psycho.
Oh, there's Shaman Omar.
Handsome.
Yeah, he's good with it.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
So.
So let's talk about this ayahuasca trip because I was literally about to do it and then I felt like I didn't need it.
And a lot of the people I was speaking to that were doing it had basically said that they were having a lot of trouble moving past traumatic events in their life.
Yeah.
They reached some sort of blockage.
And I'll be honest, when I was in Miami, I was at the happiest part of my life.
So I felt like I was almost like abusing if I use it.
I was like, oh, this is a fun, goofy trip.
And I'm like, I don't want to go into this territory unless I need it.
But again, I might have gotten it wrong.
You're also like, I would say a legitimately shallow person.
No, a legitimately like not, you're not neurotic or complicated.
Right.
You're not like, you don't have any inner life.
You just go, I'm great.
Good night.
So.
What were you like before the ayahuasca?
I know.
This is happy, Neil.
He just said, you have no inner life.
You're not very, you're just not complicated.
In a good way.
Like, I wish I crave this.
So you may not need it.
Yes.
To me, my experience, by the way, it bores the shit out of people.
So it's like telling people about your dreams.
And then you were there.
It's just not that interesting.
But I will say that it was the first spiritual experience I'd ever had.
You believe in God now?
I do.
Because of taking really?
Will Smith's got a book coming out.
He talks about it.
He said it's the only pure freedom he's ever felt was doing ayahuasca.
And he told me about it like five years ago.
Yeah.
And I was just like, eh.
And then somebody else rock texted me about it.
Rock text me an article from the New York Times.
We're so old, we get our drug ideas from the New York Times.
And then I got the guy.
You said it's the only freedom he's ever felt.
Yeah, the only true freedom he's ever felt.
And he can fuck around on his wife.
Yeah.
He is an open relationship.
Yeah, and he's still the freedom he's ever felt.
Yeah, but that's because he was retaliatory fucking around.
You don't think he was fucking around first?
Can we just, you know what I mean?
Did you guys talk about this endlessly?
We wouldn't do that.
No, not endlessly, but we're not going to do it.
No, really, not I have.
Will, I mean, who knows what's going on there?
Yeah, you do.
I actually don't know.
Really?
No.
I don't.
I don't.
I don't care who people are fucking, really.
I do.
It's really important actually to me.
I just like, I just don't care.
I just fucking, you know, Andrew.
So we had dinner the other night, and Neil pulled up with a guy and a girl.
And the girl was a famous actress.
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I won't say the name.
Okay.
And then Ben came up with a lot of people.
Ben, right?
Great, great company.
But when they all pulled up, I was like, Neil's this?
Am I Ms. Neil?
Yeah.
Yeah, I do.
All right.
I do a decent business.
Like, imagine Akash White, but with credits.
Yes.
Now, there you go.
I feel like a kid who came to get water.
Like, I was sleeping, and the parents were having a party, and I just came out and said mean shit to everybody.
And you're ugly.
So, what's Vala?
Oh, boy.
I was hoping we wouldn't get to this.
I don't know.
You're Afghan?
Yeah, I'm Pakistani Afghan.
How do you say that?
I don't know.
Well, I mean, six?
What do you mean?
What did you need?
What do you mean?
What's going to make you feel good?
Yeah, what do you mean?
You're watching me.
I love this.
So back to ayahuasca.
Ayahuasca.
So, when did you meet God?
My third ayahuasca journey.
I said nine to you, and you were like, all right.
Well, I knew that there was something wrong.
He's on drugs.
He's on drugs right now.
I know.
I know.
Why are we taking this campaign?
I said he was an eight or a nine.
Trevor's a 10.
Trevor knows a nine.
Trevor knows a 10?
Yeah.
Really?
Yes.
In person, like he, like, I was with, I mean, yeah, like, girls are like, like, something happens.
Really?
Yeah.
No, I saw him speak Zulu one time and I was like, okay.
Yeah, he speaks so many languages.
He's Zulu.
Yeah.
He does like the click with the.
Oh, I was going to go with the business.
That's another one called Mosa.
That's what I was saying.
I know what it was.
I know the click.
Osa.
Osa.
Yeah.
But you got to get the pipe.
He sang a song with the click.
It was on some British panel.
His mom speaks it.
His book, I hadn't read his book.
I've been friends with him 10 years.
Read his book.
I was like, it was great.
Really?
And I was expecting born of crime, yes.
Yeah.
He talks about crime in a way white people would understand it.
Because he was kind of a hustler for a couple of years, which I was totally surprised by.
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Um, anyhow, ayahuasca.
Now, you refuse to talk about you.
No, it was my third journey.
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I was like, oh, I'm in the presence of God right now.
And then first two times, nothing happened.
First two times was just nice.
First two times, when do you take Chris?
Third time?
Chris, I took the first time and the my like eighth time.
Okay, and both of our first times were like nice.
Yeah, his my eighth time was good, his second time, his entire being exploded in front of me, and it's the one of the greatest things I've ever seen.
Now, did he start saying he was retarded after this, or like Paris after that?
Remember him?
He was doing that whole thing where he's like, He had a learning disability.
He came out and he said he was a little, he was like, I'm retarded.
He has a learning disability non-verbal learning disability.
Okay, well, he just made up the end.
No, it's non-verbal.
It's non-returning because I think it's actually disorder.
I think it's non-verbal learning disorder, but I was trying to get with you.
Yeah, yeah.
He did try to say he's retarded.
I don't like he didn't.
He didn't.
Yeah, no, those are his exact one on CNN.
That's true.
He just went on the breakfast club and he was like, I found out I'm a little retarded.
And then you're actually one of the most brilliant people.
He's literally, my whole life I've been like, guys, this guy's so fucking brilliant.
And now he's saying he's retarded.
Now, what does that make me?
If I'm looking up to a retard, a little bit.
Yeah, a little bit.
How do you think I'm full?
Then you're full.
I got to be full.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
We all are.
We're full.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You retarded us all of this.
You made Chris Rock retarded.
I unretarded him.
Whoa.
I took him out of retard.
I took him out of the jungle and brought him into the jungle of retardation.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Brought him to the big city.
Yeah.
So now it's like I have a thing.
I believe in God.
I like have a, I like every day I kind of just check in.
I have, I now believe, I'll go a step further that I am a spirit in a body.
I just happen to be in this body.
But I'm like a endless.
This soft nine body.
A good body.
I mean, a hell of a body.
No, he actually.
I sent him a picture one time.
He was talking shit.
You're talking about shit.
I'll send you a picture.
Make your shirt on your picture.
I'll send you your podcast.
I'll send you a photo.
Give me your number.
He's got one picture.
One morning he woke up swimming.
I got fucking stock photos, stock good photos of myself shredded.
Oh, you are looking shredded.
This is post-yahuasca?
You know, it's all, I don't even know anymore.
And time's a construct, Andrew.
I mean, yeah, exactly right.
So now I, so now I just am like, I'm a spirit in this body, and when I die, it will not be the end.
You say it as if I'm going to go, f.
I know.
Well, that's how it feels.
I'm used to that.
Yeah.
It's like describing Game of Thrones to someone who's never seen it.
Yeah, that's funny.
Like, you know, back in the day before, it was this popular thing.
You're like, yeah, there's dragons.
Yeah, yeah.
But I'm like, no, I got bad dragons.
I hate dragons.
Yeah, no, these dragons are fucking.
They smoke cigarettes and stuff.
They're super cool.
But it was a transformative experience.
Yes.
And I think you're happier.
Yeah, I do too.
But not as if you're putting it on.
I just think it's like when I hung out with you and you were happy, it just kind of feels like that is you.
It's the like I had like felt like I had pressure.
I felt like I had like a heavy plate on my forehead that's kind of gone.
It still looks like I have a migraine.
That's never going to change, guys.
That stays.
But you would just feel that just day to day before ayahuasca, just like there's just this fucking weight, right?
Yeah, I've stopped taking antidepressants.
Really?
Yeah.
Since I did it.
Because you can't take them and do it.
That's how you have to purge your body of everything, right?
Yeah, you just have to.
It's basically if you take ayahuasca, there's such a release of serotonin that if you SSRIs keep serotonin in your body, if you take ayahuasca, it'll, you can over, you can get something called serotonin syndrome, which is incredibly rare, but it's possible.
Right.
So now I feel, I just feel better day to day.
Would you recommend to someone who is chronically depressed?
I would recommend it to every single human being.
Even if someone, like, even unless you're like bipolar, I would recommend it.
And even somebody's working on making it safe for bipolar people.
Really?
It's, dude, it is a fucking wild experience.
It's, I can't even explain.
Are you reading the Bible and then being Noah?
You're, you're in, you're, you're in the presence of dream state.
Eternity.
I mean, it's like.
Are you able to, uh, are you lucid?
Is it okay?
You're lucid.
Yeah.
It's, you, sometimes you're not, but sometimes you're like, you can always like get up and go to the bathroom, shit like that.
You can always, if the people that do purge, the few, I've only purged once out of a hand, like very little.
Yeah.
But yeah, like you're saying is people throw up.
People, yeah.
They, you, you have a bucket and you throw up.
But the weird thing is, this sounds crazy, is you throw up a, an idea.
My friend threw up his mother's hatred of him.
Yeah.
I've heard that.
Yeah.
I threw up the one time I did throw up an apology to the earth for pollution.
I have no, you know what I mean?
Like a thing that I was like, but but I know people that have purged up like I like feelings.
Wait a minute.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Can we go back to your praise?
Now I'm like, well, this is kind of cool.
I ain't playing this shit.
That was your blockage plastic.
No, it was too good.
You're depressed.
So many CFCs in my aerosol.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The bottle, the turtles.
So you threw up the apology, meaning you apologize or you no longer have to apologize.
No, I apologize.
Like, I just felt so ayahuasca is it's a they say it's a woman.
It's a feminine spirit that you're kind of interacting with.
Yeah.
And ayahuasca did it to another friend of mine where she like showed her a bunch of just awful shit about like pollution and goes, puke.
Like, fuck you for doing this.
And she went, ah, ah.
So that's how you apologize.
You pollute the ground?
Yeah.
Look, it's not a, she hasn't worked out a perfect system yet.
They're like, into the waterway, all right?
Where the fish lives.
Yeah, it's not a perfect system.
It should be like, may I just like make this more efficient?
Can I just burp or something?
Okay, so then you stop trying to pollute.
Well, no, I haven't really changed anything.
You stopped eating meat.
Well, no, I haven't eaten meat for 10 years.
Like, I've already been.
So this was something you already felt guilty about.
You kind of started caring about the environment.
And this is not like some LA people have to develop things that they care about so they feel like good human beings while they watch like homeless people living in tents down the block.
This is a real thing.
The apology?
No, not the apology.
Like you actually do care about the environment.
Environmentalism is like, oh, yeah.
I mean, as much as an American, you're kind of trapped.
Yes.
Like, I have the electric car.
I've had electric cars for I don't eat meat.
I buy carbon offsets when I fly.
I like do the shit, but like Amazon, if you order from it, there's so many traps that.
Yeah, you're doing the best you can.
Yeah.
Which is fine.
But you know how Leo cares about the environment?
And again, I don't know the fucking guy, but I assume he's like, what's the one issue I can care about?
And then not piss off half the country into not attending my movie.
Right.
Oh, the environment.
All right.
But he's been into it for since for long, for like forever.
Sluts on private jets around the fucking world chilling yachts.
Like his carbon footprint is massive.
Of course.
He doesn't really care.
I know.
Well, that's the problem with being.
It's hard to be an environmentalist and great because you're on these private jets.
Yeah.
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And you want to be.
I mean, he probably bars.
I was talking to a really rich person that it's like.
You would have premised this.
What was it?
It was about like, I'm not sexist, but Mother Nature.
Oh, no one's more sexist than Mother Nature.
What Mother Nature does to women with the bleeding and the cramps and the fucking.
They're smaller than us.
And yeah, it's awful.
They got to give birth.
Like, okay.
But I'm, but I'm sexist because I did this to you.
Because I said comedian.
But, but yeah, so, so the environment.
I mean, that's just what I got once.
I mean, other times I like felt like it was actually really funny.
Like I felt connected to my mother.
And I was like, I have my mom's hard, I have my dad's hardware, my mom's software.
And I told my mom, like, hey, I did this basically drug and I found the way to hack parents approving of drugs.
I go, it made me love you more.
And then four days later, she emails me, hey, can the whole family do it?
I'm not even kidding.
Would your mom do it?
Would you take your mom?
She would get, her mind would get so blown.
She's like on the cusp of she's 87.
So like, maybe just wait.
Yeah, you're about to see God.
Yeah, you want to make God give you five years?
You guys are a bad influence on me, by the way.
You guys are bringing this out of me.
All this, like, male energy, like, yeah, yeah, fuck the environment, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Obviously, I didn't realize how fucked up a statement that was, but like, you're literally looking like if this thing made me see God, then you look at your own mom, my mom's not ball for this world.
What's my mom?
That's four, four or five years top.
Um, so what's the matter?
No, no, no, like if your mom's got five more years and you see her twice a year, maybe three times a year, yeah, I'm gonna start crying if you do this meth.
Don't think about all that stuff.
Shara did this joke.
Somebody did this, like where you're only gonna see your mom or dad like 13 more times.
There's a uh, there was, I thought I saw it on like a TikTok, it was like a therapy thing, and it was like about taking advantage of those.
There's so much therapy on TikTok, I keep hearing Charla, huh?
Charla, yeah, that's who he feeds it to us.
Made sure, yeah, yeah, great.
I made sure it's all over TikTok, that's our guy.
But no, but and I, and I thought about it like that, and I was like, wow, imagine seeing your mom 30 more times, or even seeing your mom 10 total more times, yeah, yeah.
I mean, there's nothing time is a motherfucker, man.
Like, it's just like you, you can't really think about it that much, but now I believe, like, oh, this is just, I'll see you.
You believe in an afterlife, yeah, really, yeah.
I, again, this is all new, so I love that.
I want afterlife, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I believe I, in my head, I have like the end of uh, you know how The Matrix has like four endings.
Um, it's like he does a monologue, like, I know you're out there, and then like, then he's they just cut, they have too many endings.
Uh, when he flies away, that's how I feel kind of like what's gonna happen.
I'm not gonna fly away, but uh, I just don't, I don't know.
That's just what I now, that's what I think based on this commune, communion with the that world interconnectivity with yeah, like it's all kind of one thing in the in the and the spirits and the that's what everybody seems to say.
Like, when I when I talk to the shaman, when I talk to other people who have done it, they they feel this sense of being like connected to something greater.
And I think a lot of the times it's very difficult for people that exist just in the world right now who are not religious to feel connected to something greater.
Like, it's super easy to be isolated, especially you.
You don't have any kids, you know what I mean?
It's like you're existing kind of alone, as sad as that fucking sounds.
So, the feeling of the feeling of being like rooted into something greater, that's transformative.
It's better.
That's all I'm just like, oh, this is better.
Yeah.
Than like atheism being like this.
Like, I always said I was an atheist the way like a eight-year-old kid is a runaway, where I'm like, All right, I'm leaving.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, trying to get God to be like, Nia, wait, like, all right, uh, but now I'm, yeah, now I just believe in it, and it's just as boring as anyone else's beliefs.
Yeah, but at least I have like a like, yeah, I drank a thing, and then now this.
What about kids?
You think you maybe, yeah, why not?
I don't, I'm just not inspired to have them.
Like, the ways I've been inspired to be in comedy and whatever the shit I've done in my life, like, I just, I don't know.
I don't, I'm not moved by it.
I'm also the young, I think part of it is I'm the youngest, so I never had like a baby brother.
You know what I mean?
I never had that kind of relationship, but you have to have like uh nieces and nephews.
Yeah, I got mad niece and nephews, actually.
And you think that's like enough?
Well, the other thing is, they're not that much younger than me.
Like, one of my nephews was in LA, and I brought him to a restaurant.
I'm like, this is my nephew, and everyone's like, Hey, and I go, He's here on a business trip.
Yeah, yeah, he's 34.
Stop talking to him.
Yeah, like, hey, you get out, you like L. Did you go to Disney World?
Um, yeah, I'm a vendor there.
Um, so, uh, so, yeah, I don't, like, I don't think it's gonna happen.
Are you doing it?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I haven't started, but like I'm getting married in December, and it's something I've always wanted to have.
I never thought I wouldn't.
Actually, there was a time in my life where I thought I was going to be a bachelor, and I just accepted it.
Yeah, I don't think it's, I don't think it's, I don't, I won't, if I never get married, I don't think my life will be incomplete.
Well, now you're part of this bigger thing, so you can't.
I'm just saying, once you realize you're part of this bigger thing, you know, having children, I would imagine I haven't had them yet, but like you start to feel like, oh my God, I'm seeing myself and my kids.
Then you have this understanding of your parents that you never would have had.
And so you're having the craziest thing.
Yeah, it's like kids.
Chappelle one time said it's impossible to see a baby born and be an atheist.
He also has a fucking hilarious line about it, too, which was when I saw my son come out of my wife's vagina, I thought, man, I've been using that thing all wrong.
So yeah, so I was not going to have kids before ayahuasca, but now I feel, I don't know.
I don't think that that's a person's purpose.
That's not my purpose.
Yeah.
How often do you do it?
You still do it regularly?
I haven't done it.
Yeah, I haven't done it in like two and a half months.
How often have you done it?
How many times?
I thought it was something you did once.
And then it's always up to you.
I mean, I was, I mean, some people, it's like, do it every, some people do it every six weeks.
Really?
Some people have done it a thousand times.
But the, the, the, uh, the shaman does it, you know.
I mean, he's, you know, ripped and beautiful.
He does it every single time.
He does it.
Yeah, you have to, like, they don't drink as much, but yeah.
So, yeah, I haven't done it in two and a half months, but, but I will, I think I'll probably do it less often because I was afraid it would wear off, like the sort of energy shift.
It's not even euphoria, it's just better, a better spirit.
Yeah.
And I thought it would wear off, and it's been two and a half months and it hasn't worn off.
Amazing.
So yeah.
Yeah.
There's a, I'm just curious, like, if it affects you creatively.
Like, do you think that you're funnier now?
I've written jokes on it that work.
Really?
Yeah.
I thought of a hilariously bad movie idea on it, which was, I won't even get into how crazy I get on it, but like, like my body shape, whatever.
Oh, you convulse?
I don't convulse.
I'll explain it now.
And this is going to, this isn't going to be like, it's more like, what?
Yeah, yeah.
I thought of a movie idea, Sharks vs. Mermaids.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, it's not bad.
Animated?
Something?
Whatever.
I'm never going to write it.
That's for the kids.
That's for the street.
Animated was going to convince us.
Oh, it's not animated.
I mean, I was like, it'll be a funny movie.
Sharks versus mermaids.
It's not fucking, whatever.
Trust me, I got better movies than that.
Please.
I don't have to explain myself to you.
This podcast is over.
My god.
Fuck you guys.
Where are we supposed to go?
Sharks versus mermaids.
Give them ayahuasca immediately.
You're all pieces of shit.
Also, mermaids win, right?
Almost certainly.
Yeah, of course they will.
I mean, they got to do it.
It doesn't look like they're going to, but of course they ultimately do at the end of the day.
Oh, the third movie of the Avengers?
That's the Judaism right there.
And when we start doing product, I mean, we get to do it.
Yeah, once we start doing it.
I mean, I can see the merch.
I'm talking to a merch guy right now.
So, yeah, my shoulder shake.
Ooh.
Yeah.
Ooh.
And then, yeah, they shake for like four hours straight.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay, Neil.
Did you ever get emotional?
Like, did you find yourself weeping at anything?
Yeah.
Fuck you.
I was, I've gotten, I, I, I was mourning a friend of mine so badly when I thought when I turned my phone on, they were going to be dead.
Wow.
That's how like, I was like, I don't want to turn my phone on because I'm, this, the only way this makes sense is if they actually're dead.
And did you connect with them afterwards?
Like, yo, I have this weird experience about you.
Oh, this is fucking really funny.
So in terms of people, so the name dropping, it's me, so I have to.
So when me and Rock were doing it, I was like, doesn't this remind you of Erica Badu?
I was like, doesn't it fucking?
And he's like, yes.
He's like, I literally just thought I have to go spend time with her.
Like something about it is in that, like, just whatever Erica is, is like, it's like connected to it, right?
So I feel that way about Duval.
I mean that sincerely.
I know exactly what you mean.
No, no, that's weird.
I've never had anybody describe this before, but like every time I hang out with him, I feel like I have this experience.
I feel like that way after going to Burning Man, it's not like this like, oh my God, like my life has changed, but I feel like I have a little bit more clarity and I'm talking to someone who really understands the things that I'm saying, but also understands on a different level.
And I can kind of communicate them better afterwards.
And that's so interesting that they're like these certain people who are like almost like organic shamans.
Like they are shamans.
Absolutely.
Wow.
Like fucking absolutely.
Every experience I've had with Badu has been like weird.
Like, so, so, uh, and, but, but I also forget she's funny.
So I, after the next day, I leave her a like long voice memo going like, hey, I just did it.
And we had a moment at Dave's Mark Twain thing where she just, I got off stage and I was like kind of emotional from it.
Yeah, yeah.
And she just looked at me and was like, baby.
And it was like, literally like fucking goosebumps a little bit.
Yeah.
And so I and so I leave her a voice memo like telling her thank you for that moment.
And she texts me back, wrap it up.
I call you motherfucker.
She's funny.
What did you think about the backlash to speak of Dave?
I don't, it's just a, it's, it's like you can almost just write it up.
You can just write up what's going to happen, who's going to say what, who's going to, it's cause for concern, but it's never, it's just, that's like the theater of it.
The, the, uh, you just know what's, everything is pretty like predictable outcome.
Yeah.
There's, Mark just finished it.
Like we did a podcast last week and then Mark just finished it.
And then you brought up a really good point, Mark.
And I'll let you articulate it, but about like that, they're disagreeing on different things, the two communities.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It seemed like I likened it to like the abortion debate.
They're like, you have one side that's like, you hate women.
The other side's like, you're killing kids.
It's like, they're not arguing on the same, like what it even means to disagree.
So like, so when it comes to the trans issue, it's like one side is saying by saying that gender is a biological fact, you are making me invisible as a trans person.
You're saying I don't exist and it minimizes me and my community.
And that's what I consider transphobic, I guess, is inside of the trans argument.
And then the other side is, I guess, like, oh, I love you and I'm accepting you and I don't want you to be discriminated against.
And I don't want any legislation against you as a trans person, but also I think you're kind of crazy.
And that's why it feels like the other side is that like, I'm not going to hurt you.
I don't, I'm not transphobic.
I don't hate you.
I'm not afraid of you.
But also like, you know, come on, let's be honest.
Like it's a guy and it's a girl and you're just like playing dress up or something.
Or like you have dysphoria.
You have some mental disorder.
Yeah.
So like the trans community is basically saying, yo, if you don't think trans is real, that's transphobic.
Right.
And then everybody else, and I'm putting that in quotes, but like the majority of people are just like, I'm not transphobic.
I don't want them to die.
I don't want them to get beat up.
But do I think that it's real?
Or I think they're making it up.
Well, this is also one of those things of like, now we're getting, it's, abortion's a great analogy for it, which is, you know what I realized a while ago about abortion?
I don't fucking know.
It is great.
It's expensive.
Is it not that expensive?
I'll talk to you after the show.
I got a guy.
I got pills.
I got a lot of stuff.
Plan gold bracelets.
Plan A is ayahuasca.
I got a concoction.
But they you, I don't fucking know.
I don't know what you are now a woman and you are not a woman.
I don't fucking know.
I don't know what an idea.
No, no, but what I'm saying is like abortion, where it's like people go, I know when it's a life and when it isn't.
How the fuck do you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't fucking know.
I don't know.
I'm not saying I get the, I used to do a joke.
I never did it as a joke, but I used to do a joke on the phone with Gerard, which is abortion is kind of killing kind of a baby.
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Like, you're not fully a baby.
You can't fully kill something.
Something happened.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's with trans stuff.
I'm like, I don't know like, when you officially are a man or a woman or like, in terms of like or turf or like.
Is a?
Is a operated on woman the same as a woman?
What is a the?
What's a woman?
Do you know what I mean like?
What is a fucking?
I don't know those Namibian chicks that have vagina, female anatomy, but internal testes that make you testosterone.
What is that?
Huh yeah, that is a very complicated porn search.
Is what that is?
Um, some people got like three chromos or three.
Uh well, you're talking about the girls that were left out of the Olympics.
Yeah, the Namibian chicks.
Yeah, it's not even their fault.
Yeah yeah, they're just really good at running.
Yeah yeah, and they love Mma?
No, but it is.
It is interesting like, if that, if both sides are arguing different things, of course they're not going to understand each other.
So if you believe that just not believing in trans people is transphobic right, of course the jokes are going to seem like that to that community, right?
If you're out here like yo, I got trans friends like everything's good, I don't hate you.
Why you call me transphobic?
It's because you're not going off of their definition right, and that's why nobody's gonna understand it.
Well, that's also like it benefits both sides to not be understood.
It benefits like there's a victim.
Victimization is like currency.
So you know yeah, i'm, it's.
It's what uh you ever hear Kurt Metzger has the term it's so fucking like a uh, cultural flop.
You know in, like in the NBA, like the flop where people are just flopping like whoa, did you see that reflect?
And and like the NBA stopped that up.
Foul that, that Steph Curry thing.
That's no longer going to be a foul.
We need to bring that into the world where it's like, no, it's not a foul, no contact yeah, or there is contact but you initiated contact and if you, if you fake and then lean in, it's not a fucking foul.
So now there's people that that uh are those people like the people who are offensive to be offensive just for well there, it's like there's that.
And then there's also people that are offended to get the sympathy.
Yeah energy yeah yeah, they are the they fly.
It's a lot of people flop.
It's like a soccer thing where one guy flops and another guy flops and then and then there's a stretcher.
I like when they bring the stretcher, But yeah, I don't, it's just not, it's predictable.
Yeah.
It's just entirely predictable.
Baked into the marketing.
I'm not saying this is what Dave did, but like you've seen like certain ad campaigns use racism as marketing.
Like they put out a kind of racist ad and then of course the internet goes crazy.
And everybody's talking about head and shoulders.
Everybody's talking about whatever detergent.
Remember, I think it was like an Asian commercial where they put the black guy in the laundry machine.
Right.
I love it.
And then he comes out white.
He comes out white.
I love what's the name of the detergent.
What is the name of it?
Bleach.
No.
Don't say it.
No, but it is.
I just feel like it's part of the outrage marketing now.
Like if you're putting out a project and it's not pissing off, you have to find what can be done.
It's like trying to get a book canceled so it becomes a best.
But you got to be really specific with the community because you piss off the wrong community, they'll take away your book.
There are certain communities where big corporations will turn a blind eye.
And it kind of looks like trans the big corporate, like if you go at like gay, then well, no, there's pretty, it's another Kurt Massacre.
There's like protected groups, but some and then some are more protected than others.
Yes.
Like, and it takes a while.
Like, uh, certain people are not like short people, fat people.
You can still like, it's like, damn.
Yeah.
Fat people, I don't even think you have to, yeah.
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It's like, that's choice, right?
Like, nobody else is choice.
Right, but this is this is it's all all of these things have like come up.
Stop put the hamburger like, or it's glandular or it's whatever, like, or they can't, or they got better.
They don't get good.
Uh, yeah, people have uh, have thyroid things and whatever.
Uh, also, people get any and she's never been fatter.
That's literally nothing.
She'd have a fucking software.
Well, that's where all the food goes, I guess.
Yeah, it stops right there at the thyroid.
Yeah, that was the issue with the thyroid.
Just cut off her fucking esophagus.
If you cut them, it's like a slurpee comes up.
So this is disgusting.
But yeah, there's all, and then there's people that, like, well, they're poor.
They didn't get nutrition explained to them correctly.
They're in food deserts.
There's like reasons for it's kind of all the same thing.
Right.
But there's all kinds of things.
You need to explain nutrition, bro.
You need to tell people that if they eat ice cream.
Come the fuck on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right.
Of course.
But all of these things start to come the fuck on.
And then you go.
Like, I, yeah, it's like, I'll never call someone they, and then they show up.
I'm like, hello, they.
Like, I, I, have you done that?
Uh, I don't know any days.
I'll do it if they ask, but it is grammatically hard, don't you think?
Like I said, they ask.
Yeah, there you go.
But like, it is tricky, right?
It's like somebody had a really good argument.
Would they like some ice cream?
Somebody had a really good argument against they, which is I'm not going to call them they because they're singular.
They're only one person.
But they feel like they're more than I know.
Again, that's the thing.
It's like, I don't.
It's just, but I just respect the rules of English.
Like, all right.
That's it.
It's just really simple.
Yeah.
He she, it, that all is.
But if you don't know, if you don't know the gender, then you would use they.
But not to their face, right?
You would say, what would you like?
And then you wouldn't, you wouldn't use a third-person pronoun anyway.
Yeah, I don't even see a real practical application.
The thing that all these things have in common, they are very boring.
Yeah.
They're very boring.
So like they don't help me either.
Yeah, they don't, they just inconvenience.
Yeah, they don't benefit me in any way.
How can you make it easier for me and then I'll do it?
Yeah, I just, it's like, it's all this stuff that like it starts.
None of it's very, I don't mind doing it.
I guess I, the thing I do mind is when if I forget or I make an honest mistake, it's bad faith interpretation.
That wasn't an honest mistake.
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That was an aggressive mistake.
That is violence.
And it's like, I just fucked up.
Couldn't America couldn't learn metric, yeah.
You think we're gonna learn all these fucking new gender and I would assume most days are pretty cool with you up because they're used to people up, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think there are a small number of people who want the attention and want the victim currency to fly who make it a big deal, and I think the rest of they are like it's tricky, dude.
Of course, you're gonna make a mistake, but if we're friends for four months, you'll probably figure it out.
Yeah, but the first time you talk to me, yeah, it's gonna be vigilantes on Twitter that get pissed and shit.
You're like the guy who is in the store, like the GameStop dude, yeah, who I think he's done a couple things.
Like, he's clearly out here flopping for clouts, yeah, yeah.
And what is it called?
I love this term, flopping, but like culture flopping.
I think culture, flopping for clout's pretty great.
So, so beyond that, I just like, all right, I don't, it's not just like cool, yeah.
And then people are like, Do you someone's like, you need to condemn this?
No, I don't.
I don't fucking agree with anything.
Every there's not anyone on earth who I agree with 100%.
Yeah, so my mom, like there's nobody, yeah.
So, why do I need to uh specifically?
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Tyson Fury Boxing Promo00:15:30
You know what's funny, though?
Is like going back to the Kim K monologue, which was exceptional, is that there were trans jokes in it.
I guess one trans joke or something like that.
A Caitlin.
Yeah, maybe it was a Caitlin joke.
Yeah.
And it was like, and she has the authority to make the joke, even though she's not part of the community because of proximity to the community.
Like, nobody said anything.
Nobody asked Caitlin if it was okay.
Right.
But because of her perceived proximity, like nobody knows if like she hates fucking trans people.
But they're like, well, it's her mom dad.
So she's allowed to make the jokes.
Is she?
Well, that's because Dave's argument was like, yo, I had a friend.
Right.
Right?
So she's like, I got a mom, dad.
Right.
So does that allow her to do the joke?
It looks like she's gotten away with it.
And nobody said a single thing.
Now it was sweet and it was kind of cute.
And Dave's stuff seemed like it was like, this is how I feel.
Right.
And here's a joke that goes along with it.
It seemed a bit pointed, yeah.
It seemed, I actually feel like if it was less, yeah, if it's less honest, like if he cared less about like making the point, it was almost like comedy was a tool to drive home the actual point instead of like, here's a random joke about trans people.
Here's a random joke about parks.
Yeah, I think Kim was in some ways just saying words.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
Like just like words, Laugh.
Words or words are words or words.
My husband is a bad personality.
All right.
I hope Kanye makes a diss song about her because it's like way worse than anything any SNL has done.
Did you notice, though, that like she made sure to say the things that he really care about?
Like to get her, he's the richest black man in America, which is not even true.
Who is another guy?
Oh, no, no.
There's no Aaron Allen.
No, Bob Johnson, the guy who's in the bottom of the box.
Yeah, probably.
There's like a few other, but still, like, she said all the things that would definitely be a little bit more.
Yeah, she knew, like, you can say this if you also.
Save my personality shit as long as you say I'm really rich and I'm a genius.
Yeah.
And she said greatest rapper of all.
He's the best rapper of all time.
And all of us were like, yeah.
He's not the best.
I would argue he is not the best rhymer of all time, but he is the best hip-hop musician all in of all time.
That's fair.
Yeah.
I like that take.
If you're including producing the music, yeah, of course.
He's competing with who?
Who else?
Jay Mole?
Jay Dilla.
Yeah, like there's a few people.
Yeah, Tamberlin and Pharrell.
Dr. Dre.
Dr. Dre.
Like guys that aren't.
Guys that didn't write.
Or guys that did.
I mean, Pharrell writes a little bit, but like, but didn't really have many of their own albums.
Yeah, he's amazing.
But that guy's Kanye's fucking unbelievable as a musician.
Yeah.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
And I learned that like three weeks ago.
Yeah, I just found that out.
What do you mean?
I never felt that way.
Oh, you didn't, you just didn't care for it?
The bars are trash to me.
Like, I do think they've gotten weaker.
Oh, they've definitely gotten weaker.
But like, he's got a song in this album, Hurricane, the one with the weekend, and his bars are fucking great.
I'll give you one for Albion.
My feeling is he's at his most authentic when he's complaining about women.
And I think that he does have women issues.
And all of a sudden, the bars are like really true and real.
And then when he talks about pretty much anything.
Hurricanes about women.
Well, there you go.
Yeah, yeah.
But he was good about the early stuff when he was complaining about women, like it was real.
And you could tell that this guy was going through it and these were real experiences he had.
And then all of a sudden, he's trying to like change the world and shit.
Like, activist Kanye.
It's like.
Dark, Beautiful Fantasy is maybe my favorite album ever.
Really?
On any genre.
Yeah, it's a great album.
It's sad.
It's weird.
It's like, it's great.
All right, fine.
So maybe I'm a little bit off there.
I mean, whatever.
You don't have to agree with me.
Yeah.
Did you see the fight?
I didn't see, I didn't see it.
I didn't even see a frame of it.
Bro, I saw a replay.
People really love the battle.
Even knowing the ending, I was like, this is fucking impressive.
Is it just like they were just throwing haymakers and not falling?
You don't see heavyweights do this.
You don't see heavyweights do this because usually, especially with heavyweight boxers, usually they never start young.
I mean, even Deontay Wilder, right?
I think he played football maybe or something like that.
And then he started boxing.
Yeah.
So, I mean, if you're big and you live in America, like you're not choosing boxing.
No.
There are other sports you can make way more money, have a much easier life.
Yes, right?
So Tyson Fury comes from a legit boxing family, like a dynasty.
Named after Mike Tyson.
Named after Mike Tyson by his father.
I love it.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
That's hilarious.
You know, ASAP Rockies named after Rakim.
No.
Yeah.
Oh, this is it.
Okay.
So you decide what your kid's going to be before he's old enough to decide for himself.
Well, yeah.
And it works out.
Yeah.
A lot of rappers, a lot of people are named after rappers.
He just happens to be good at rappers.
So they go and they fight.
And this is the trilogy fight.
And everybody, myself included, thought Tyson Fury was just going to walk all over him.
It's a trilogy fight the way Dave and trans people is a trilogy fight.
That's good.
Last time I was fighting this dude, this is it.
Haymakers back and forth.
You know what I mean?
100%.
So, yeah.
When the trans person kissed Dave at the weigh-in, I knew that was too much.
Like, he is not going to take this well at all.
Go ahead.
So, so they're basically in there.
And Deontay comes a little bit more prepared for this one.
And they were fucking slugging away.
We're talking about like 240.
I think Deontay was 245.
And then Tyson was 277.
This is a lot of weight.
This is heavyweight division one punch, you go down.
That's it.
That's why it's interesting.
It's like the lighter guys are fun to watch because they're so skilled and they're running around.
But at the end of the day, it's like they can just pound each other's heads.
It's rare that you're going to get these big knockouts.
Many pacquia was so exciting because here's this little guy that could actually pack a punch.
Like you guys can't remember last time Floyd knocked someone out.
Do you ever go to a Floyd fight?
Yeah.
It was like watching a guy in fast forward and the other person's in regular speed.
It was like, oh, this is just not fair.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was amazing.
I saw Floyd Canelo alive.
It was fucking unreal.
But anyway, so they start fighting and they're swinging and it looks like Tyson is going to kind of start bullying Wilder.
And then Wilder catches him with a really short right hand and drops him and then drops him again at the end of the round.
So all of a sudden you're like, holy shit.
Right.
Like, I don't even know what's happening.
And then the rest of the fight, even though Fury's starting to come on and starting to outbox him and starting to bully him, you know that all it takes is one shot.
The guy already went down.
So for 11 rounds, it's just this scintillating non-stop action from heavyweights.
You never see it from heavyweights.
And then Fury knocks him out in just like this amazingly beautiful, I think he dips under, hits him like an overhand right, finishes him.
They stop the fight.
Deontay Wilder shows so much fucking heart.
Like both guys leave the fight.
Beloved.
Everybody who watched it was like, yo, both of y'all, if you ever fight again, I will watch you guys fight again.
The worst part of the whole fight is that Deontay didn't want to shake his hand afterwards.
Why?
He was just like...
Ego problems.
They had beef after the other fights.
He accused him of cheating.
Yeah, Deontay's been like sore loos.
He's a sore loser.
That's it.
He's he's a he's sort of mentions the fact that you're not in shape.
He never says, I don't know.
I don't like getting beat up by a guy who's not a guy who's a who works for UPS.
We do live in an interesting time, though.
Like I was talking to my girl's dad about this, but like we're like Tom Brady and Tyson Fury.
Yeah.
Like there's not a single abdominal muscle between the two of them.
These are the most dominant people in their respective sports.
And I'm watching this fucking fight.
And I asked that probably on Twitter, Instagram, but I'm just like, who was I talking?
There's a guy in the NBA played for Milwaukee and Chicago.
Jabari Parker.
Yeah, yeah, Parker.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he just has like...
He's a little puffy.
Like, doughy.
But you know what that is.
And no, I was.
I said somebody.
No, that's what I was like, why is he in bad shape?
And they go, that guy eats perfectly.
Really?
And he can't, he just has a soft-looking body.
He doesn't, he's not on the sauce.
No.
Usually guys like that in the future.
Yeah, of course.
They're on the sauce.
Yeah.
But interesting.
Yeah.
Some guys just can't get their dough.
Like Will Farrell can run marathons.
And he's just doughy.
Some people just got bad bodies.
You're off the bread.
You'll be good.
I really believe that.
You stay off carbs.
You'll be fucking good.
All right, cool.
Anyway, I'm literally watching this fight and I'm like, what?
You stay off carbs.
You'll be good.
Jabari Parker.
That's your problem.
Yeah.
Yeah, if you're listening, Jabari Parker.
Yeah.
If he gets off carbs.
From what I hear, he's off carbs.
No.
No, you mean Tom Brady's on the carbs?
Tom Brady's on the carbs.
He's not on carbs.
He's fucking like a tiny fucking.
He eats avocados.
Have you seen him without a shirt?
Say what?
Have you seen him without a shirt?
This is like a guy who's about to fall into questioning.
Yeah.
Like a guy who's like, no, it's the cops.
Yeah, bring the cops in.
I'll talk to him.
What?
No.
Yeah, I saw the picture.
Where'd you say it?
I don't remember.
Tom Brady, I think, is like in, for his age, is in very good shape.
For his age, he's in great shape, but he's also the greatest football player in history, and he's never had an amazing physique.
Just like Tyson Fury.
Well, that's the thing where I think if you're, I think now, just because it's like you look at like Johnny Unidas, those guys didn't know about nutrition.
Yeah.
And they had day jobs.
Don't worry.
Don't look at that.
Day jobs.
But these guys can just be about working out.
You ever watch.
I was just, there's a picture of Len Dawson.
Sorry.
In like halftime of the Super Bowl, the championship or something like that.
Smoking a cigarette?
Smoking a cigarette, drinking a beer at halftime.
He's my fucking shit.
Mike Aaron used to smoke cigarettes in the dugout.
Baseball, it makes sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They still do tobacco to this day.
You could do other things while you play baseball.
Yeah.
But football is wild.
It's wild.
Yeah.
Anyway, quarterback sauced up, making reads.
That's going to be the future of the combine.
They're going to be looking for fat guys.
100%.
They're going to see some guy be like, yeah, too many abs.
It's the now.
Oh, some positions.
I don't know.
I'm just saying.
I'm watching Tyson Fury fight and I'm like, who could beat this guy?
And then I started thinking, like, historically, who could beat him?
I think Tyson Fury is the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time.
Stop.
Everybody guffaws when I say it.
Just tell me the guy that can beat him.
Yeah, but you're telling me real quick.
6'9-inch Tyson Fury.
He does look, he's fucking huge.
He's gonna get beaten by 5-foot-10-inch Mike Tyson.
Muhammad Ali, what?
6'1?
George Foreman?
6'3.
And what is the top?
What did he weigh?
220 pounds at his top?
He was probably hovering around 208 to 11 when he was fighting.
Like 277.
George Foreman is closest.
6'4.
But if Ali is outboxing, if Ali is outboxing George Foreman, imagine what's gonna happen when a guy 6'9 is in front of him with great foot movement, fast hands.
The only person I can think of is Lennox Lewis because Levi's.
I was gonna pitch him.
No, here's the thing.
He's just because he was huge.
Because he was big.
He's tall.
He had great reach and great power.
But here's the thing.
He also gave one of my favorite interviews after a fight where he, it's like he, I think he lost, but the British accent, he was like, did he even throw one jab?
It was so fucking fully Canadian.
Yeah.
No, he just chose to use the British accent.
He went Madonna.
Yeah, exactly.
But the point is, I'm watching, and I'm like, if Lennox Lewis is the only guy that can beat Tyson Fury, right?
Nobody considers Lennox Lewis the greatest heavyweight of all time.
Yeah.
Yeah, but this is what I was saying last week or on Patreon or something.
It just moves forward.
Like, if you put Giannis, he's not the greatest basketball player of all time, but if you drop him in the 60s, they're not going to know what the fuck this thing is because everything just moves forward.
Yeah, yeah, people get better at their respective.
People get better.
They get bigger, they get faster, they get stronger, everything.
They just, somehow, as time passes, we just get more and more dynamic at everything.
Yeah.
So Tyson might be able to beat any heavyweight going back, but that doesn't make him the greatest heavyweight ever.
Yeah.
You got to put them in their time and consider them in the time.
And what?
Just to that point, real quick.
Okay.
Just to that point.
If things get better as we go along, we're currently, according to that argument, in the best, right?
Yes.
Because things are getting better.
And if this is the best guy of now, which is the best version of the sport, he's the best ever.
According to your argument.
You use greatest is where I tripped up the first time he said he's the greatest heavyweight ever.
I think Grade is a little different.
Best, sure, he might be able to beat any of these guys because of the era we're in.
And 20 years from now, there'll be a lot of people who could beat the shit out of this guy.
That's just how time is.
But we're not there.
What if we're talking great relative to your time?
I don't know boxing, but I'm assuming it's going to be an Ali who fought Foreman and Frasier and List and whoever else as opposed to Tyson Fury's wild.
He feels like he's not going to loss it.
With like a fucking heart was 5'10.
I agree.
He wouldn't even touch him.
Yeah, but think about it.
Wilder was touching Fury, and Wilder's not a great boxer.
Yo.
He's just a slugger.
If you put Ali in front of him, yes, he's shorter, but he's an actual boxer and can touch him.
Let me give a little pushback about that.
So Deontay Wilder is 6'7.
What a lot of people don't realize about Deontay Wilder is like what he lacks in skills, he makes up for in the fact that he's the hardest puncher in the history of boxing.
He had 42 fights before that fight and 41 ended in knockout.
That's the highest knockout percentage in history.
He's the hardest puncher in history.
Nobody's close, probably, right?
So when you're 6'7, you can have kind of shitty fundamentals because you're so much taller than people you're fighting.
They have to take risks in order to hit you.
And the second they take those risks, boom, game over.
He goes up against a guy 6'9 who can actually keep him out there and he still fights him well.
It's like, I'm telling you, I don't see anybody in, I know this sounds blasphemous, but you're not wrong.
I know what you mean.
I see your point.
Yeah.
There's just physics here.
It's like, who's going to touch him?
Yeah.
And everybody goes Lennox, and I think that's reasonable.
But if we're going Lennox as the only guy.
But Lennox also wasn't like dominant.
He was like the champ, but he wasn't like.
He got beat.
God damn.
It wasn't like he murdered people.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
I don't know.
He got, I just think, I know it's crazy to say, but if you really sit down and look at it and you're like, who could be, could Mike Tyson beat him?
There's no way in hell.
There's no way.
I don't even know if he could reach him.
He could literally just stand up straight in front of him.
I don't even know if Mike is reaching him with the punches.
Yeah, but Mike would get close.
Like Mike Styles.
You what?
Going like this?
I'm going to take some hits while I'm getting close to you.
And once I'm close, now I'm bodying you.
I'm taking you to the body and then I'm going to...
I'm going to get you close with that big old jab.
Yeah, I'm telling you.
He would just run through that shit.
He just walks in like this, just takes punches.
I'm telling you, Mike could do it.
And I think Ali would be able to do it.
Nah, bro.
Because Ali could take a lot of punishment.
Ali could take the punishment.
Yeah.
But how close is he to Deontay Wilder?
Who?
Tyson Fury.
Close is he in terms of what?
In terms of skill, in terms of significantly better.
Yeah.
But skill.
Deontay's got the equalizer, which is the power.
If he touches you, you go down.
There's nothing you could do.
Turns it off.
It's so funny how unpopular it is.
Like heavyweights used to be the only game in town.
And now I'm like, who?
Yeah.
Like when you talk about it, I'm like, is that the big fat guy?
Is that the other guy?
You know what I mean?
Are you doing MMA at all?
Are you getting excited?
Big Toe Injury Analysis00:09:27
Not even a little.
Really?
It's actually too violent for me.
Interesting.
My dad says the same thing.
And he's a huge boxing fan.
I was watching boxing this time.
Them two, I was like, this is too, this is like, these guys are all getting concussions.
It's crazy.
You get a concussion, then you get back up and you keep fighting.
Yeah.
And you just, a couple rounds in, you're back to hopefully back to normal.
That's the thing with MMA is like people think MMA is way more brutal because you hit someone when they're on the ground.
Right.
Right.
But the reality is letting somebody get back up after they were concussed and keep fighting.
Yes.
Even while their knees are still wobbling, that's a war crime.
It's a fucking war crime.
It's torture.
Yeah.
It's insane that we allow that, right?
Yeah.
So it's actually apparently way worse for you boxing.
Well, because you get hit so much more.
Yeah.
Sustained punishment.
Football is kind of too violent for me now.
They say that boxing and football is the same thing.
It's like that constant, like you're just knocking it constantly.
Whereas MMA, it's like one big shot lights out, ref jumps in there.
Yeah.
You're taking less punishment.
It's mostly getting split.
You're like bleeding a lot more.
Yeah.
And also there's more cost to punish.
I also don't be honest, I don't like your hand hurts.
I don't like the barefoot thing.
I don't want to see feet.
I don't want to see feet.
I thought you were going to, you fucked up bare knuckle.
Nah.
You never heard of barefoot boxing?
Barefoot boxing.
It's really popular.
It's getting really popular.
You don't like seeing the feet.
No.
Dude, there was a gnarly thing that happened in this fight.
This guy kicks a guy in the face, right?
He does like an upkick, kicks a guy in the face, breaks his big toe when he does it, right?
He goes back down to like plant his feet.
And this, assume that's the big toe.
This big toe is just pointing up, right?
And as he's looking at the other guy, he looks down at takes his other foot, just pushes the big toe back down onto the canvas, keeps on fighting.
That's toes on logic.
It's like, what would Daffy Duck do?
He would, I think, step on his own fucking broken toe.
Yeah, but yo, surprisingly, surprisingly, toes aren't that big of a deal.
Like, when I used to do karate, I broke three toes, like kicking and shit like that.
Not just that I broke both.
Like it doesn't hurt that much.
It doesn't mess up your balance that much.
Really?
If there's nothing, there's also nothing they can do.
Big toes.
Oh, yeah.
They just say, don't walk on it or some shit.
You put it in the cast.
If you break your big toe, I would think you're fucked.
I would.
It's not that bad.
Apparently, you can just step on it.
Yeah.
Did you try stepping on it?
No, I didn't try it.
I actually did a good one.
Yeah, I just waited till it wasn't like competition.
In competition.
It just kept going.
Just kept going.
Adrenaline, you don't feel it.
And then afterwards, it hurts a little bit, but it doesn't hurt that much.
Which it was different ones.
So one time was a big toe, and then the other time was a pinky.
And then, yeah.
Yo, sorry.
A couple questions I had about the Wilder fight.
I saw the replay.
First of all, Wilder looked like a better boxer this time.
Like he looked.
Usually I watch him, he just looks crazy.
Also, here's one question: Fury would put Wilder in this headlock a lot, and the ref would always break it up.
Fury's first knockdown of Wilder, he popped him, got him once, then put him in headlock, then uppercutted him.
It's a classic move.
Nice.
That's like using the armhook in basketball to drive.
It's like kind of dirty, but everybody does it.
You use this hand, or what depends, whatever, but you use one hand to kind of hold their head down.
Yeah.
And then you uppercut with the other.
But if you're really good, you keep the ref on the hand-holding side.
So if the ref is right here, you just put the hand here and then you uppercut with the left.
So the ref can't see you.
Because the ref will be like, hey, that's illegal.
You can't hold his head down and punch him at the same time.
But yeah, this is a guy like the Furies have been fighting since they're four years old.
They're gypsies.
Yeah.
Like the legit gypsies.
Like not like we're playing around for this for like the title.
He looks like he trains only outside.
He has a Winnebago.
Yeah.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
That they go living sometimes.
Yep.
Doesn't surprise me.
The life that they call them the travelers or something like that because you're not supposed to use gypsy.
And he just said, Well, no, I'm going to use Gypsy.
And he's also the baddest guy on the planet.
So it's like, I guess you can just use it if you want.
But like, that is the fucking life.
And they fight.
They're called like fighting men.
And yeah.
It could be in a field on some like Brad Pitt and lockstock shit.
Was it lockster or something?
Snatch.
Snatch, probably.
Yeah, don't know.
But like, but yeah, of course, man.
It's rare.
You're never going to get that.
A guy 6'9 in America is playing basketball or football, and he would never be brought to a boxing gym out of his mind if he was brought to a box.
You talk about head movement sometimes with boxers.
I notice it with fury.
Oh, it's fucking crisp, dude.
Just in and out.
Slip, slip, slip.
Bang.
When he knocked him out, he dipped a fucking punch.
Yeah.
Caught him with an overham right.
It's unbelievable.
It really is the difference of doing something your whole life and getting into something kind of later and like figuring it out.
Even though one is like an elite athlete, another one's just sort of like a massive guy.
Yeah.
I went to the triple G. Canelo fight.
Oh, dude.
And I was which one?
They had a trilogy.
The second one.
Second one.
And I was front row.
And at one point, they're like, they're eight feet from you, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And at one point, Canelo punched Triple G this, this, and he didn't blink.
And I was like, oh, these guys, this is some other shit.
Bro, they're my guy that I train with, right?
He used to be on the Egyptian Olympic team, right?
And he's won a bunch of like world titles and that kind of stuff.
This is an amateur, Hossam Abdeem, great trainer.
You should go train with him in New York.
But he said they used to do a drill where they would take a glove not in a hand, but just a glove outside of a hand, and you'd leave your eyes open and they would just punch you in the face with the not with your hand in the glove, but just holding on to it.
Just like getting used to so you get used to not blinking while a punch is coming at your face.
Yeah.
The most basic human instinct there is.
And they beat it.
Yeah, it was like, oh, okay.
All right.
Go ahead.
I think that's what freaked us out.
I remember when Matt Barnes put the ball right in Kobe's face and Kobe didn't even blink.
The craziest shit ever.
Yeah.
I heard there's an angle where it's off to the side.
Don't watch it.
I refuse to believe that.
It's heartbreaking.
There's another angle of that exact thing that happens, and he comes nowhere near Kobe's face.
But the way I'm not.
That's not mama mentality.
That's my style.
Don't even talk about it.
Cut it out.
Cut it up.
We call it out there.
Scrub it.
But we believe that about Kobe.
You can train yourself to just not fucking blink when a basketball is throwing an inch from your face or whatever.
I did a couple commercials with Kobe.
And the funniest shit about I did a Nike commercial and a 2K, I think.
But if you wanted Kobe to be in the commercial, he'd go, Yeah, I'll be in it, but you got to shoot it within 10 minutes of my house.
So he's not wasting time.
He's like, Yeah, I'm not fucking going to you.
Yeah.
But if you want to come, if I'm like getting my dry cleaning, I'll stop by.
Yeah.
And I'll do your fucking dumb commercial.
Because what are you going to do?
Make me more famous?
Right.
They already, all those guys already got the money from Nike.
So they're like, what's Nike going to sue him for breach?
Yeah.
In the 14th year of their day.
Jordan, the funnies is Jordan does it.
And it's Jordan.
For his own brand.
Yeah.
When was the last time you saw Michael Jordan in a Jordan commercial?
Yosh.
I can't remember.
I know.
I know when you did, and I can tell you how much time they had to shoot him.
Jeter commercial, this.
Oh, yeah.
45 minutes.
Come to the golf course.
Get the fuck out of here.
Yeah.
Like, just come to the golf.
That's the, the, it used to be like in the old days with like those like Johnny United's guys, they'd make them come.
They'd you come to set, you're here for 12 hours.
Yeah.
And then a guy named Joe Pitka directed all Michael Jordan's commercials besides the Jordan, besides the Spike ones.
And he would get him in and out in three hours.
And that changed the game.
And that became, you get people for three hours now.
I'm not even trying to make a joke.
Those guys are like, like, Kobe built the helicopter because he was like, I'm not wasting fucking time.
I'm not waiting.
You just get to the point where like, this is.
I'm sitting in traffic right now and it's costing me LA.
No.
Yeah.
10 minutes from my house, or I will take the fucking helicopter.
I don't want to take it.
That's like that was his mindset.
That's why he built it.
I'm just, I think that's how we get to it.
He built the helicopter?
That's why he got the helicopter.
Because that might explain something.
I mean, there's a momental.
There's limits.
Let's get the instructions.
Yeah.
So what happened with Kobe when you guys did the commercial?
Good to work with?
We had almost no interaction.
Really?
I either thought sometimes I would get paranoid and be like, he must think I was racist to Dave or something.
So I would just get like paranoid.
But meanwhile, they just don't.
He's like, who's Dave?
Exactly.
No, he did do a thing that was crazy.
It was when he had his right arm hurt.
He had the shoulder injury.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he rotator cuff.
Yeah.
He was, it was, he did an underhanded shot from half court, hit the rim, left hand.
I was like, yeah, that's some other shit.
He can, that's some other shit.
Like, I can't.
I don't know anyone that can do that.
Is that a real fear?
Like, are you worried that people would think, people that aren't exactly familiar with who you are, that they could think?
It used to be worse, but like now it's.
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Yeah.
Were you blamed for that?
For being racist?
It was all too hazy.
It was all a little hazy.
So it was like, ah.
Some racist shit happened and then something happened there.
You were the only white person on duty.
So it was like...
You have no alibi.
Yeah, I'm white.
And I was there.
Yeah, I was there.
Yeah, that's tricky.
You're walking through life and every person you interact with, you don't know if you have to explain yourself or not.
I have a picture of meeting the Obamas.
And Barack is excited to meet me.
And Michelle's like, Michelle's like, I have the photo.
Barack's like, black people be treated sometimes.
They just go to Africa.
You know what I mean?
Black people just leave and go to Africa.
Yeah.
Michelle's like, literally, like, people are like, Michelle seems mad.
I'm like, yeah, she does, doesn't she?
I don't, again, I don't know.
It's paranoid.
Yeah.
It's like, I'm just, I don't know.
So I don't know what, but that Nike shit was great because it was like Richard Sherman and fucking Kobe and Serena and like literally nine days of shooting.
Really?
In the world.
It was the best.
And you don't mind dealing with athletes?
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Now let's get back to the show.
And you don't mind dealing with athletes?
No, because here you want to, with like directing directing, you have to be like, you know, you come in to do it.
Here are my directions on that.
Faster.
Literally, just like fast, just run faster.
Oh, this is very funny.
So when you do like a, for instance, Nike commercial, we would audition people for how they ran.
So we were doing exterior running shots and we had 10 people and we go, all right, run.
And then we get like, nah.
People, you can't have a bad runner in a commercial.
You can't like, she can be great or he can be great looking.
And like, if they just, I do it now when I go to like Westside Highway or something where I'm like, nah, nah.
Can't use them.
Don't have him.
He's struggling.
He doesn't, he doesn't, like, his head moves weird.
But that is true.
That's worse than getting called a six, honestly.
And getting told that you run weird.
Fuck.
Yeah.
Stop it.
I'm just thinking maybe it's different for you, though, also, because like you're, you're not going into this shoot as like some fucking director that none of them have ever heard of.
But that's familiar with you.
That's the other thing.
That's within one person.
Like there's one degree of separation.
You're like, oh, yeah, I was talking to blah, blah, blah.
You're a comedian.
And then a lot of them like grew up watching Chappelle show.
So they're like.
Right, Like, I went to Blake's house one time.
Griffin, half-baked was on his living room table.
And I was like, dude, you got to play it.
You got to be a little cooler.
Like, you're kind of blowing this right.
Like, this is not.
That's a little too.
You got to.
I get it.
I'm going to put their school.
It's exciting to meet me.
I get all that.
You know, bring it down a little bit.
Yeah, that's good when they're like, when they were younger, and then now they're like, fucking white Neil.
Opposed to Black Neil.
Well, I was White Neil for a lot of people.
So you got it.
You ever want to do it again?
Not Chappelle Show, but like.
No, I don't.
You, you don't.
I always try to bring you.
I always try to.
No, no, but you did an hour-long television show.
How was it?
Oh, God.
Was it fun?
Was it?
How was your life?
We didn't have a life.
No kidding.
Yeah.
Like, it's not, it's like, this is too hard.
But is there ever a part of you that's like, okay, I want to create another thing that captures cultural sentiment?
Like, that's what excited me about the show that we made, right?
Is like, it felt like every week we were doing something.
And it was before we did Netflix.
When we were doing a weekly on Instagram, I was like, oh, every week we tapped into the conversation and had like something really interesting, fun, and like thoughtful about it.
And it was really exciting.
And you got to experience that.
Like every week, it was tuning in and people were reacting.
Imagine there was social media.
Imagine there was social media.
It's the last show I remember that you stopped down at that time and watched it.
So isn't there, is there a part of you now?
No.
I'd rather just do stand-up and do.
I was telling somebody earlier, it's too hard.
Yeah.
It's too hard.
So if you have like a group of dudes that you love doing it with, that makes it easier and makes it more fun.
Yeah.
But at this point, it's like what I don't even, it's like peers-wise, it's like, who am I gonna?
It's just all too dragons.
Yeah, it's like just too hard to do.
And then even like Sudakis, I saw Sudakis a couple weeks ago, and it was like, yeah, I got to go back to LA and I got to do the writer's room.
And he just got back from London for eight months.
And it's just like, ah, that doesn't look like it doesn't seem like a fun life.
So you're, yeah, you're valuing enjoyment and first person.
Like, what is my, what is it?
Yeah.
I, when people bring up Chappelle show, all I think about is like, I'm fucking exhausted.
Like, I'm so, I wouldn't sleep for three days.
Yeah.
I'd have to edit like in the editing room for two days straight.
Yeah, yeah.
Not, and then like, I'd have to convince Bijan to stay, the editor.
Yeah.
And then I would only go home like to go to the bathroom.
Yeah.
Because I have a no, I don't do it outside of the house.
Yeah, no, I get that.
And that adds up.
You get it.
So, so I just, all I think about is stress.
That's literally all I think about is like fear.
Yeah.
It's like PTSD.
Yes.
PTSD.
So the commercials are amazing.
The commercials are great.
Because it's like in out two days.
I would say like, it's your wedding.
Where do you want to stand?
Yeah, great.
Yeah.
Product shelves.
Shoot the shit out of this.
Yeah.
Gatorade.
I Gatorade with Lillard and Damian Lillard and Serena.
And it's like, great.
Go to Portland, go to fucking Palm Beach.
Yeah, but Serena's like, yeah, I'll be in your Gatorade.
You're coming to Palm Beach.
Great.
See you there.
Portland, do Damien Lillard.
Like, just, what have I done?
I do Kev.
Yeah.
Chase with Kev.
Yeah.
Doing, I did an NBA 2K, like the most recent one where, where, what's his name?
From Boston.
Jason Tatum is playing video.
Whatever.
It's just easy.
Sprite.
I did Sprite with LeBron.
Yeah.
No, I hear you, man.
It's just, I don't know.
I know.
You know the feeling, and not a lot of people know the feeling.
I know the feeling.
And I also know.
It's exciting.
It's very exciting.
It's very exciting.
But I, but then.
And we got a fraction of what you guys experienced.
Yeah.
But we did experience it.
And we experienced it in a downtime where there wasn't a lot of good things coming out.
So maybe it was, it felt even bigger because there was really no competition.
It was like we were putting out a thing every week and there was nothing new coming out and then the last dance.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
So it was just like, it was, it was go done.
But you experienced that on a fucking crazy level.
And I don't know.
I'm just curious if.
It's, I mean, it's just too, it was, it's too hard.
But it is good.
It is a really fun thing to have an idea, say it, go, yeah.
And then you do it.
And then it's like, it doesn't even really even, you can't even track it.
Has anybody done it with a realistic schedule?
Like, has anybody created the show?
Apparently, Louie would only shoot for eight hours.
Really?
Which is like, that's pretty good.
But he wouldn't go on location scouts.
He like, he would just go like, he would just do it.
He would edit himself.
He wouldn't go on location scouts.
Like, he just had it honed to the point where like you, it's, it's humane.
And also Louis wasn't at the level that we're talking.
Like it was important.
For some people, he was.
I mean, you know what I mean?
Of course, but it wasn't like.
It's different to be important for some people and then just to be important, period.
Yeah.
Like Chappelle show was like.
It crossed over, man.
You had to see it.
So it's like.
Yeah, I remember hearing somebody goes, I was just in Vegas.
Well, the cool thing was we did the taping.
All right, there was a, there was a cut of the first, I would edit for, I would be fucking dead.
And I would have to bring a tape up.
This is how fucking long ago this was.
I would bring a physical tape to 106 and Park.
And so we showed, we showed like racial draft, like stuff that was done for the first episodes.
And then I was like, I have a cut of Rick James.
Like, it's not good.
Like, we worked on it for three hours.
Yeah, yeah.
And we showed it, and it's like uneven.
Cocaine's a hell of a drug got a lot.
The repeat, I like put a repeat in, and that got a lot.
And I was like, all right, I'll do more of those.
And then...
Oh, you got to try.
But it didn't.
Yes.
You got to work out the rest of the day.
Oh, we'd show it at Caroline's.
Wow.
We would show sketches at Caroline.
Yo, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're working out the jokes within the eggs.
Yeah.
We would do cuts.
We would do cuts, and then Chappelle would do like Caroline's and then go like, here's some sketches.
But it was before the show was on.
So people were like, what?
What are you doing?
In fact, but not even what are you doing?
We showed the racial draft at the cellar.
I think the night before we showed it and it kind of ate shit.
Fucking.
And Dave was like, yeah, this is not the right crap.
So we showed a cut of Rick James and Dave was like, that was the best.
Something like, that was the best you can do.
And this is like his favorite story about me.
I looked at him and I went, and I look like fucking like a Wiley Coyote, like a bomb and explaining my face.
I go, yeah, sorry, man.
Like, just like, fucking, I, yes, I failed you again with fucking by working fucking my dick off.
And, but, like, and then we had the taping, and then Dave's wife said she was at a restaurant.
It hadn't aired yet.
And she heard someone say, I'm Rick James, bitch.
And that is over.
Before it had aired.
They had been at the taping.
Oh, from the taping?
From the taping, they just were saying it.
And then somebody said, I was in Vegas and people at the blackjack table were saying I'm Rick James picture.
And my first thought was like, why?
Why would anyone say that?
And then, and I still don't really know why, but I'm glad they did.
Is that when you realized how big the show was?
That was the cool thing about that was like the show was, that was on the fourth week of the second season, and the ratings went up 100,000 people every week after.
Like a weird, like 100,000, like just 0.1, 0.2, 0.3.
So we got a million extra viewers in whatever, however long that is, in 10 weeks.
10 weeks.
And then our contracts were up.
Of course.
Now it's game time.
Yeah.
Yes.
So, yeah.
So that was that was fun.
Yeah, it's a rare.
But I don't, it's not something I...
Okay, how about this question?
It was a spiritual thing that's like not even, this is pre-yahuasca.
It's a spiritual thing in that it's just like we had been, it's just like 10 years of like, and then like, boosh.
Like shit was on the show that we'd been talking about for, like the real world sketch we had talked about in 10 years earlier.
Years ago.
Frank got thrown off the show.
Yeah, Frank got thrown off the show.
Because I think what a lot of people don't realize is like your first special, your first movie.
Squid game is a perfect example of this.
It's like you work 10 years for your first album.
Yeah.
10 years for your first special.
Like everybody, their first creation is not made in that two-year timeline that the rest of their creations are made.
Well, by the way, that's why Steve Martin never did stand up again.
He admitted it on Seinfeld on Comedian Space.
This was my first life.
He's like, I would have taken me 10 years to write another hour.
Rarely is the second album as good as the first album.
Somehow hacked it a little bit, but maybe you had more wealth to give.
Still yeah, we did.
But also, like Tucker pitched the racial draft.
Brian Tucker uh, he writes for LIVE now.
Okay, he's the what he's in.
Uh uh, I know black people.
He's like the whitest looking dude you've ever seen.
He's so fucking white.
He's the one who said uh uh, what is a loosey?
And he's like like a, like a hoe um uh, Tucker pitched a thing like we had Donnell.
Well, I the keeping it real goes wrong.
It's kind of me and Donnell.
Like there were just hits that were like Kroll actually pitched the N-word family oh, really Kroll.
And Berbiglia and Roger Hails pitched that.
They pitched it kind of like not how we did it, yeah and uh we, they pitch it like a sitcom or they pitch it like a documentary.
And then we met so like we had outside, but that it was mostly just about like yeah, not even budding heads, just like this thing yeah, and then you can do.
You think you could do it again though like, do you think if you had the bandwidth, if you had the time and if you had the passion, you weren't worried about stress?
Do you think it's a thing that you could create?
Could you be part of a show and make that show the thing to watch?
Oh, I have no idea, I don't.
I not, I not in a way that like I know what to do.
It's like a weird thing where it was Dave's 10th pilot yeah, so it's like I hadn't worked on anyone.
But it's a weird thing where you, when you find your genre yeah, like it was one of those things where once we did it, I was like oh, you should have been doing sketches the whole time feels, but you don't even know, you don't know that as a when you're yourself like yeah, and then you try and you go oh, i'm weirdly good at this, this is what i've always been doing yeah, and then you start to look back at bits and you go oh, you babies yeah, you kind of do standard sketches right, and Hey,
actually told Dave like you could write movies, like because he's like the way your jokes are, they're like visual and like there's cut tos, so you could write movies, but it never, I don't know, it never came up as like sketch, like sketches, I don't know.
And we, even when we, when he called me to do it, it was like Playboy after dark, so it wasn't like yeah, it became a sketch show.
It was not even supposed to be it's.
It's one of those things where, like when, when you're part of something that successful and you realize what goes into it in order to make it that successful, when you see people who have had multiple successes, your respect just has to go.
So, like when you look at like a crystal well, I don't even a whole like when I look at Nolan, I go wait a minute.
Like almost everyone is amazing and the ones that aren't amazing are still like pretty.
I would argue that Nolan's it's about him and his brother.
He has the team it's, but him and his brother.
If you look at all their movies, yeah moment, it's just some weird thing between them and he's developed a visual style, but it's about it's like I Call it this, like this, this fucking ineffable.
Like, I don't know, it's just the thing.
Yeah, I remember somebody saying somebody saw before the show came out.
Somebody saw me and Dave together and was like, something about you two.
I was like, but you felt it like, aren't there people where you're around them and you feel funnier?
Yeah, and it's just for whatever reason, they get your shit and you can start to skip all ideas.
Yeah.
Tags come out.
But that's always like we're friends because we would go like in 1992, we would talk about, you know what I mean?
Like we were just friends and that would talk about shit.
And then that's the that's the reason why I'm wary of doing it's like I don't have that thing with anybody.
Right.
Like you gotta, you need that before you need like people ask me all the time like, well, did whatever.
I could get my like there's but I don't feel that way.
I remember watching the curb episode, the curb season where they did the Seinfeld reunion and every time Jerry and Larry are on camera together, it's a wrap, it's fucking magic.
And you just see this chemistry and you're like, god damn it.
That thing I don't know.
I don't think about Seinfeld makes sense.
The success of Seinfeld makes sense right there.
There's the one where they're talking about they're like the stage manager from Evening Shade or something where they have inside jokes Jerry and Larry that's on the show and you're like I don't even know what the fuck they're talking about.
This is great.
I don't even know what they talk about.
I remember one argument about a booth in one of the episodes, and like somebody comes and Jerry and Larry both have a side of the booth and then they're just arguing about who should let that person sit next and says like yo, I'm watching the show yeah, you just see the magic right there.
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Yeah, and that's what I assume you're saying you had with Dave.
There it is.
So, in order to create that thing you need, even if the thing's in you, it's like, it's like uh, I say it's like, I got an idea.
That's burning a hole in my pocket.
Like I have to.
Yeah yeah, like the, the these shows I did like three mics and the new one is like, started transition.
No no, it is.
That's a thing where I am like I have to say this, yeah, whether it's whatever happens yeah, it's uh to.
To liken it to something in stand-up, like, uh, you know the new joke that you're working out, that's actually good.
And you know how like, if you put it three jokes into the set, those first two jokes are like, oh, do I have to?
Yeah, you're so annoyed with everything before it.
Yeah, you just want to open.
You're like you guys are phonies.
Like you guys are phony.
Yeah, I wrote you six weeks ago and you were great.
But this is the guy.
Yeah I'm, this is my new baby.
I don't even give a fuck.
You guys are so hacky.
Yeah like, get out of my set.
Yeah like, why are you even here?
I'm glad Neil's not having kids get to four and be like, why are you here?
Yeah, that's what's my dad's, my impression, that's my impression, my dad uh yeah, but you, that's the exactly for a joke that you know is right, but it doesn't hit yet and you're like I'll keep tinkering.
Yeah, I have a joke now.
I wrote it in the new show.
I wrote it.
I call Chappelle.
I go, Has anyone done this joke?
He goes, You pitched me that joke in 1993.
He's got like the LeBron memory.
That's crazy memory, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He absolutely has a LeBron memory.
Like fucking beyond.
Like, in terms of like, I recall and stuff.
Yeah.
His eye, mine's very good, and his is like, how?
Like, how the fuck can you?
He, there's a story I heard.
Somebody told me that Tony Morrison was at Dave's high school.
Who's the not Tony Morrison?
The poet.
Maya Angelou was at Dave's high school, and she was saying one of her poems, couldn't remember, and Dave finished it for her.
No.
Like, just a fucking, he's got like, his brain is like put in the Smithsonian.
Like, fucking crazy.
His dad was, his parents are professors.
Yeah, yeah.
And he's got that thirst for knowledge, it seems like, where he just always seems to be reading.
Yeah.
Based on what he's saying, it's like, oh, you're incredibly well read, clearly.
Yeah.
He's not even well read.
It's not even reading.
It's like osmosis.
Yeah.
It's like shit.
He like, how you hit something with the Nolans.
I didn't think about that.
I knew, obviously, it's Jonathan and Christopher.
Yeah.
But that team, in order to make the magic, and then you look at people who have like made consistent magic.
I don't care what some people might say about like, I'm a big Sandler fan, but like, it's that they've had that team this whole time.
And it's like putting together these random parts to go make a movie that's better than anything else.
I mean, that's, to be honest, you might say that's why like the Marvel stuff is so impressive is because they will just quilt together a team to make those movies.
They're like, okay, you're the new director for this one.
Absolutely.
And the storylines are so I think they plug it into a fairly specific formula.
Ah, Kevin Feige.
He is all of them.
So he is Kevin Feige is his name.
Feige.
He is the North Star, and then he makes sure everything below works.
But still, it's interesting you see that, right?
If you want to create magic on a consistent basis.
You know what impresses me when you say that, though?
Is Chris Rock, I think from Bring the Pain to Bigger and Blacker, he might have actually gotten technically to me, it's his best special.
Like he's fucking to have that after Bring the Pain.
He's still thinking about it.
He's more proud of Bigger and Blacker than he is of Bring the Blacker.
Dude, if you rewatch it.
Because he's like, it fucking, it's sold better, which I still can't believe.
And he's like, it's imposs, it's the sophomore album.
And it's a lot of fun.
It was like fucking.
It was like 16 months after Bring the Pain.
It wasn't like, I took some time off.
He literally just like kept going.
And you'll notice these little things.
He did it a year and four months.
It was immediate.
Yeah, that's unreal.
And it was so good.
And like, I don't know if you've seen Chris Rock's old stuff.
He used to have his habit where he'd start punching his like when he was feeling himself.
You don't see, I think in Bigger and Blacker, he starts to do it once and then cuts it.
It was like he was like hacky.
He used to knock the mic stand over too.
And that was like the joke.
Like people, whatever, people would knock shit over and go, hey, Rock's here or something.
But yeah, like I think I like Bring the Pain more, but like...
But Bigger and Blacker might be better.
But he would say it's better.
Yeah.
He like straight up.
Bring the pain had that like hunger.
Yeah.
Like, you know, and Bring the Paint change my life.
The camera is shaking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you watch it, they're laughing.
He always says, well, black people laugh at their feet.
So there's, it's like a fucking earthquake.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It reminded me of I was at game six of the Mets the Bill Buckner game.
Yeah.
I was there.
What?
Yeah.
I was there.
I just happened to, my dad got tickets and we went.
Bill Buckner, classic moments where he's the first baseman and the Red Sox are about to end their drought.
How many years is this at the time?
And it just goes right through.
Buckner was Boston.
Playing for Boston Red Sox.
They're playing.
And their World Series, game six, it's over.
And then they rally.
But Shea Stadium used to move up and down.
And I was like, this doesn't feel safe.
And that's Rock Special.
The camera's fucking shaking.
Yeah.
That was one of those specials where they really got the sound right.
Like, you know, we always talk about this when we're putting out anything.
is like the energy exchange between performer and audience needs to seem even or slightly on the audience's side.
Whereas, have you ever seen somebody special where they're giving a lot, but the audience is recorded poorly?
Yeah.
You just feel uncomfortable watching at home.
It looks like they're bombing.
Yeah.
Even if they're crushing in the room.
Even if they're crushing.
Without clips like this.
I need them down immediately.
Why don't you fucking sweep?
Now we got it.
Now we got, now I got a guy.
Shouts to Big Kev.
But I got a guy that films everything and we have a good system.
But before, I would just hire in a guy in a city and I'm just trying to get clips up because at the time I was.
Mixing.
I can tell you a story about mixing.
Chris's The Chris Rock show, the HBO show, which was great.
Yeah, you guys fucked that up.
Well done.
How is he?
I actually feel bad.
How is he?
Because it was a good show.
I genuinely feel bad.
Chris Rock had an HBO show that was excellent.
It was great.
Excellent.
And it was his show.
It was part of the crazy thing.
It was like just at the same time that you guys found your show.
Yeah.
Chris found his show.
But he found his in 97 through 2000.
Rock shows before.
They passed on Chappelle show because they said, we have Chris Rock.
Why do we need you?
Which made sense at the moment.
I mean, whatever.
It's defensible, but it's also racist.
Yeah.
Why is it racist?
Because they had fucking Bill Maher and Dennis Manny.
We have our black guy.
We don't need Chappelle.
I mean, 12% of the population.
Thank you for that.
50% of the prison.
No, I get it.
Let's go.
What?
Didn't you tell me some stallions?
Transgenders are women.
They're white.
So Rock would kill so hard in his show that it would be like burnt out.
Like the speak almost, it sounded like in the red.
It would peak, right?
So when I was mixing Chappelle's show, I would always make it peak to compete with Chris's show.
There are laughs and there are jokes in Chappelle show you can't even really hear because they're and they were like, we can't.
I was like, do it.
You have to do it.
And I would like have to go to Sony and they played on the big speakers and I'd do the Michael Jackson.
Michael Jackson used to play.
He wouldn't, he would play, he would mix on the big speakers and then he would put it on a shitty boom box and say this is how people are going to hear it.
So like this is how we should mix it.
There's a special he also molested kids.
Allegedly, bro, he did what he had to do.
Hey, But the Bill Burr's special in England, when he's in that big theater.
Yeah, go on.
Usually those big theaters stink for specials because you can only hear the applause pops.
And if you're an act like Burr, where the laughs are long and raucous.
Yes, they're like bringing the pain.
Bring the pain had these long laughs.
It wasn't just all applause.
There are actually people laughing, but you don't pick those up a lot of times unless you mic the crowd well or use like the cam mics.
You really get it because most people just go, okay, here's a clap at the end of the bit.
I guess the bit's over.
But then the rest of the bit is fucking painful to watch at home.
Right.
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Yeah.
You're watching at home and you're like, oh shit, I feel like I'm kind of in this.
I don't feel like I'm watching this awkward thing where I'm only getting Mike.
Right.
It's commensurate with around how funny it is.
Exactly.
Instead of like, hmm, that seems weird.
Like, that seems to be a lot of fun.
Little things in Chappelle show that didn't get, I can't even explain it, that like didn't get.
There's a thing when the slow motion sketch where we cut to Dave walking in the and he goes, and but we don't, it bombed and he goes, nothing funny about that, but it was funny.
We just had to cut out the, I can't even explain it.
But sound design is with comedy, is massive for viewing experience at home.
Yes, yes, and that's what a lot of people just don't get.
They'll just put out quickly.
But also in the theater, if somebody is laughing, like I've had people after my show be like, there was a guy behind me who was dying and it was so much better.
Yeah.
The contagiousness of laughter is such a thing.
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It's watching a movie in the theater, like watching a comedy in the theater.
I remember I saw Hangover, the first one in the theater.
Maybe we even saw it together.
We saw the second one together.
Oh, we saw the second one again.
But being in the theater when a joke kills.
Amazing.
It's fucking incredible.
Dude, we thought it was great.
And then if you go back and re-watch it, you're like, what?
Was I laughing at?
But everybody, I don't think we are all so confident in our own judgment of humor for the most part.
Maybe comedians are, but the average person, if I say some shit is funny and you don't, we're like, oh, I guess you also conform to the group.
So if you hear the audience laughing, you're like, oh, it's funny.
I'm going to laugh.
Yeah.
I saw the same movie.
I saw the exact same one again because I was like, oh, it's so funny.
I got to watch it again with seven people in the theater.
It was like a matinee.
And I'm like, man, it's all right.
Yeah.
Now, granted, I saw the jokes already before, but I'm waiting for my brother, whoever I saw with, to just fucking lose his shit.
But he wasn't.
So something about that.
But I was so fucking smart to test the pieces, to test the sketches and then re-edit after tests.
Yeah.
Woody Allen used, I mean, still does probably, when he does his schedule, he schedules in a week of reshoots.
Like, budget it, I'm gonna fuck up.
Like, I'm gonna need reshoots.
Like, it's silly not to.
I was, I was saying, I used to say when I worked on the daily show, sometimes I'd be like, dude, let me do a monologue on Tuesday for Wednesday.
Let me just, you have an audience.
Let me just try it with the fucking audience.
I think they, now they don't have a crowd.
You try it on Tuesday, but you actually record Wednesday.
Seth and Fallon test their monologues out with the tour with the tour group comes through at three.
Oh, that's true.
They just get 20 people that may not even like them and then just go like, okay, anything?
No, anything?
Like, the reason my Twain speech for Dave was good was because I worked it out.
Like, I got off stage and Keenan goes, how did you do that?
And I go, I tried.
Yeah.
How'd you work it out?
I just said, I got to do a thing for Dave.
It's not like people are like, who?
Yeah.
Oh, like you would hit a comedy club.
I was doing, at the end of my set, I would go, like, I'm going to do this.
Like, when people are doing roast.
The people who do the roast the best are always the ones that work out their 5-10.
Yeah.
And I've seen it happen.
Like, I've seen them go up and be like, hey, this person isn't here and none of the people I'm joking about are here.
I just am going to say these fucking words.
Yeah.
And just saying them for the first time, not on camera in front of all these people, in front of the famous people, makes it so much better when you actually do.
Well, you need, your body doesn't know what to do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You have to like, that's another thing.
A Chris thing, I don't know if he's, he, before bring the pain, this made, this freed me up to be as fucking dorky as possible.
Before Bring the Pain, in his house in Brooklyn, he had a wall-to-wall mirrors and a microphone stand.
And he would fucking practice his act in his house like a fucking dork.
Yeah.
And it's one of the best sets ever.
And once I heard that, I was like, okay, I don't won't judge myself for any preparation.
What was he trying to practice?
Movement?
Do everything.
See what dancers do?
I always felt with Chris Early, like, I was like, oh, he's this brilliant mind, but I felt like there was a physical awkwardness on stage.
And then he was trying to overcompensate with that with like movement and doing these other things.
You know, the clap thing was a little weird.
But like the mind was just so natural.
He had a joke about James, the guy who shot Martin Luther King.
Yeah, yeah.
That, and it was so much better than every joke in comedy and his act.
It was that James Earl Ray assassinated Martin Luther King.
And now Martin Luther King, it's a national holiday, including for prisoners.
So James R. Ray must walk around prison and be like, you know, I'm the only reason we have off.
Fucking hilarious.
And then he made an hour of those.
Do you know what I mean?
Like you just fit that joke.
And then another same version of that is Alan Hughes, buddy of mine, who did Menace Society.
Yeah.
And he did the Dre and Jimmy Ivan documentary.
He said that he used to have a rag in his car because Menace Society was so bad, he would just cry on the way home.
It was so fucking bad.
He would just, he hit a rag for like, and then he would just get a good sequence that he didn't mind showing people.
And then you just make that sequence bigger and like, that's all everything.
Just what is this?
Do I mind showing this to people?
Cool.
Wow.
So it's like, you and your act, you're like, this fucking joke.
I'll do it because I got to do the time.
Rock had the fucking like truest, meanest observation I've ever heard about a set of mine.
My Comedy Central hour.
He goes, he goes, he goes, you didn't think you have the time.
You didn't think you had the time, did you?
I go, what are you talking about?
Goes.
He goes, you slowed down in the last 15 minutes.
To make the time.
Oh.
And I was like, wow.
And did you?
Yeah.
Damn.
Why not just tell them, yo, I got 50.
I don't even, I don't, by the way, I don't think, I think I did an hour five.
Like, I thought I didn't have the time.
Yeah.
But he, I absolutely slowed down because I thought I didn't have the time.
There's guys like Leno one time called Seth Myers and said, you know what I like about your when you're doing a monologue?
You, I, I don't know how you feel about your jokes.
He goes, when Jimmy Kimmel doesn't like a joke, he looks up and to the left.
Oh, shit.
When, like, guys, fucking veterans, you just got this fucking guy.
Yeah.
Patrice one time said, I won't say who he said it to, and he said the N-word.
I'm not going to say it.
It's not worth it.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's almost worth it.
Don't get me wrong.
Not worth it.
A guy who wasn't really a comic, and the guy's pacing backstage.
And Patrice goes, just go bomb, scared.
The best.
The best.
Scared.
Yeah.
So, yeah, but we get to the point where like when a guy knows, and you're like, fuck, you're right.
Yeah.
That's canny.
Canny veterans.
The dope things about the streaming era is you don't have to fit the TV block.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh.
Back in the day, it had to be an hour.
Actually, it had to be probably like an hour for it was for, it was literally for the section of the DVD.
Like it was some, it's literally a manufacturing.
It doesn't get considered a special to be on a certain type of DVD.
It's like it's that dumb.
And it's the TV is, and there's 44 minutes average.
Like it is that stupid.
It's still that way, dude.
When they hit us up about like getting a, what is it, a fucking Emmy or something like that for the for the Netflix thing we did, they're like, there's no category for what you guys did.
And then it's like, just like the talking funny category?
Can you just do that?
Like there's none?
Like there's no category that you can.
Wouldn't it just be comedy special?
Yeah, just put it as comedy special.
Or they're like, well, technically it's four segments.
And I'm like, we'll just make it not.
Yeah.
We wrote it as just a thing and then chopped it up into four.
You think it's going to be like another January 6th if you get a nomination?
Recount it.
They're going to storm the academy.
But I mean, not like I give a fuck about those things, but it is so like the antiquated thing.
And it's so cool that now with a special, you can, like, even with what you're doing now, I'm assuming you're going to do a special.
Right.
And you'll just choose the hour and five minutes of it that it's great.
The hour and 10, that 53.
Whatever you want it to be is what it will be.
And there'll be no pushback.
I imagine.
No, I don't think so.
I mean, I don't, I want it to be.
I'll ask like Robbie from Netflix, like, what's the good?
Like, I said, does it matter where, what the venue is?
Ah.
Because I could do it in a, I'm doing it like a two.
Yeah.
But I have good mask jokes.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, people still get it.
Yeah, it's not like people are like, what?
Yeah.
When is this from?
What?
Fuck this guy.
Squid game.
Yeah.
I don't have any idea what that could possibly mean, but yes.
And, but I'll ask questions like that.
Like, what's the, does venue size matter for viewers?
I think, again, Rock is like, Rock's like, he used to look at all of his specials as an infomercial.
Burr never cuts to the crowd.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know what makes for a better special.
Like, I don't, I don't know what Sherrod pointed that.
I just moved to New York and I was listening to Birth Special Discount.
Why do I do this?
Yeah.
And Sherad's like, it was great.
No audience cutaways, none of that.
I like that.
And I was like, huh.
I thought that's what, like, if you're a real comic, you hate cutaways.
But now I'm like, oh, I think it's just a personal choice.
It's literally just a personal choice.
I can see when it's just cutting to the audience, usually it's like because they're making an edit, right?
They're taking a chunk out.
But I can't, I love it.
Or they're making an offensive joke about Asians.
You cut to the Asians.
Yeah, that's also.
And they go, they're laughing.
What's your work?
I think it's funny.
Hey, cheer up, honey.
But being able to, I don't know, for some reason, like, one of my favorite things about watching Deaf Comedy Jam was the crowd.
Of course.
And imagine Deaf Comedy's Jam, like without the crowd, like without seeing people get up out of their seats and one season.
It's one season, dude.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Stan Lathan directs all day specials because we used to talk about like, this is the best comedy show I've ever seen.
Yeah.
Because the lip that comes out.
Yeah, the thing that the crowd and the fucking also is just, yeah.
We did that for.
And the backdrop's like, what is that?
Scaffolding?
But that's when you come back.
Or like a radiator?
What the fuck is it back there?
It was like, I don't even know what that style is called, but like there's a ladder and shit.
It's like industrial.
Yeah, you could just put things up like, hey, we just decided to do it here.
Yeah.
Hey, we didn't, they didn't even know we were coming.
Yeah.
We're going to do a comedy show.
Yeah.
I think Aziz tried to do that, but with like nothing in the background.
Oh, in Brooklyn.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
That was, that's actually a really funny one to watch because you can see people in the background.
At one point, there's like 10, and then later there's like six.
Two, and it's like, are people leaving this workers?
Yeah.
But did the crew go out for a smoke?
They're just union for me.
You guys stay where you are for 60 minutes.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't, but that I'm more curious about like what's effective.
Yeah.
Because we don't, you don't, I don't know what the good length is.
Cultural connectivity, strong beginning.
So I think it's like something.
First of all, asking heat.
Because by the way, Cat Williams does 13 minutes about Jacksonville.
I've never been to Jacksonville.
You want to get into the minutiae of it?
And yet I think it works.
Another quick Neil Brennan name drop story.
Never met Cat Williams.
Met him.
And I go, you know, there was a Vulture article about where they, what do you like or something?
And I met, and I talked about Kat's, the fact that he talked about Jacksonville for 13 minutes and it shouldn't work and it does.
And I tell Kat, I was like, hey, man, I did an interview about you.
And he goes, oh, I know.
I printed it out.
It's on the wall of my office because how often does a comedian speak well of another comedian?
But isn't Kat, like, aren't both of his parents doctors?
Like, oh, yeah.
Stuff like that.
Like lawyers.
Yeah.
The perception of Kat, I think, from the outside, the average person.
Like a super brain.
Yeah.
And I, you know, I think he told me I know that's I, his father.
His brilliance is.
His father, and this is wrong, but it's something like his father invented the enzyme for tang.
It's like that's like Tang, the powdered.
Yeah, that brain.
He was involved in Tang.
It's something like, it's not exactly Tang, but it's something like that.
Right.
Yeah, you got to have super, like, Connie's mom's was like, you got to have great, smart fucking in terms of doing well.
We were thinking about this yesterday.
And I think that a lot of times people reach out for the masses when they're trying to make something go.
Because I've been thinking about, at least with Netflix specifically, I was like, what's the last thing on Netflix that like just blew up that they wanted to blow up?
That's rare.
Title they don't know.
It's not supposed to be.
Squid game is not supposed to be a hitch.
There's something on Netflix, and I think there's something in us that taps into exploration.
Like Squid Game, when you watch Squid Game for the first time, not you, me.
I mean, I just watch it because I'm the second wave.
But the first wave of people that find Tiger King or Squid Game, they think that they're like into a new band.
Yeah.
They're like, yo, I found a secret.
Yeah.
I found a secret on Netflix.
But Lauren Michaels says, it's when they go, he'll go, they discovered you on channel four.
Yeah, they discovered you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like you came into their living room on channel four, and they're like, who is this?
Kristen Wigg.
All right, Lauren, you get the credit.
Okay.
You discovered him, Lauren.
But I think that there's something to that.
Like, we want to discover.
So having some distance is valuable.
Or you tap into communities that are more monolithic in their viewing habits, right?
So it's like, if Kat is the black comic of the time, which he was when he was putting out those specials, especially you're definitely referencing, it's like the community is going to flock to it.
And black Americans overrepresent influence for their numbers.
You know what I mean?
Like what black Americans do, Americans do, but they're 12%.
So it's like if 12% can influence what is cool for the other 88%, the marketing shouldn't be done to the 88.
The marketing should be done to the 12%.
But then white people are not mind-like in what we watch.
We're too divided.
Like some of us will be like, I'm into succession.
Other people like Big Bang Theory.
It's rare that all whites go to one thing, but we get looked at, we get looked at as if we do.
But if you go into like minority groups and tap into them, they'll start telling everybody.
If there's a new Mexican comic, please believe Mexicans will be talking to each other.
New Filipinos.
They tend to do it the opposite.
Indians tend to.
Russell is the exception.
Indians are like Canadians, where like once it's popping in America, now Canadians are like, oh, this is our shit.
Indians tend to need you to be co-signed by mainstream America.
And then we're like, oh, that's our guy.
And why the hardest?
But they need everybody else to sign off before they're like, oh, okay, yeah, that's our guy.
But Russell's the one exception.
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I think that's the way that you go to like.
Russell got all of Asia, though.
Yeah, he talks to Russell, man.
It's the greatest style of comedy.
Where in the world are actually impressions of crowd work?
Yeah, just I mean, crowd work and then leading it into an impression you're sitting on.
Yeah, it's just brilliant.
Like, where in the world are do people not sound funny from other countries?
You know what I mean?
Like, if I'm in the Philippines, the Mexican accent is funny.
Yeah.
Doesn't matter where I am.
But it's also like, if people in other countries are watching your stand-up, that's partially because of Russell Peters.
Yeah.
Like, that motherfucker is like a colonizer of stand-up.
Yeah.
A conqueror, ambassador.
You know what I mean?
He said one time, I did a show with him, and he's like, my audience doesn't like stand-up.
My audience likes me.
Because he's the first version of it.
No, but it is right.
Somebody was saying.
I think Rock was saying, like, a Dave or a, it's like, that is some all boats rise with the all boats are raised by the rising tide.
Like, yeah, yeah.
Like, Dave and Kevin.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You guys are fucking smart.
This is my ninth hour of this podcast.
So sorry if I'm fading a little bit.
It's giving Rogan a run for its money.
But like, we all can't be nice.
I know.
We were having a good conversation.
We were being sweet.
There's a whole lot of people.
You guys jumped on my ass about the rising Chappelle show.
You interpreted that as fuck you.
That's the problem.
We were just like, yeah, that's what it is.
I interpret hello as fuck you.
Fair enough.
Okay.
But like, yeah, Dave or Kevin are these guys that like, they're big tent people.
Yeah.
And then they go, oh, I like, I like the whole thing.
Yeah.
But most people don't even watch comedy.
That's the crazy part.
But so that's why you got to tap in smaller.
And when you tap in smaller, you don't have the same scrutiny from the networks.
Even when we did, like, we were Guy Code.
Remember Guy Code, right?
Guy Code wasn't supposed to be a show that was a hit at all.
It was just an afterthought on MTV2.
But it caught like young, like, hip-hop heads, like, kids who were into, like, Jordans and shit.
And for whatever reason, it just, like, caught them.
And it caught that one little group, and every single one of them watched it.
And then from then, it kind of blew.
Oh, I know what you're saying.
Well, I, I, I, I say it making all this content.
It's like you have to run for in order to run for president, you have to win the primary, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you have to win the primary, even with movies, or like, especially the way it used to be, is in order to be a movie star, you had, especially comedy, you had to be, have two scenes in another movie that you crushed.
Yeah.
And then they would go, you know, like Dave was really funny, nutty professor.
Yeah.
So they were like, you know, that's how we got the meeting to do to half bake.
Like, and with this, to your point, like, you have to have, get constituents that aren't like on Main Street.
Yeah.
And you have to then like get it's got to be like a word of mouth.
Like everything's kind of got like an underground feel.
And those communities are underrepresented, even in conversation.
Like I even noticed like when we put out clips, like if we put out clips about like somebody like a Bosnian person that I'm made fun of randomly, the whole Bosnian community is passing around.
I go out to a fucking steakhouse and if it's Bosnians that run the steakhouse, they're all knowing about this moment.
Keegan Michael Key told me the reason that name teacher sketch is because the people that do that.
No.
Teachers.
It was teacher.
The Reddit thread of teachers was like, oh, this is.
And then it gets...
Reddit is a.
Reddit is a great website.
I don't give a fuck.
We learned about Reddit through Mark.
Like, we knew Reddit existed.
You know what I mean?
But we didn't really understand what it was.
But what Reddit.
I don't know if I give you the credit.
I'd stare at you like, this is your contribution to the world.
Like, my Reddit guy over here.
Yeah.
And you're like, no, I'm a Canadian man.
I'm like, oh, so Reddit, huh?
Yeah.
No, but like, but in the same way that like Reddit creates these communities, right?
And these communities push these things to the top, right?
They push it to the top of our interest.
And the things that exist in the community, the community cares about.
Yes.
And once you get all the eyeballs of people who care about a certain thing in the exact same place at the exact same time, you can really push that thing to the top and get some views.
Exactly.
That's what literally minority groups and television or content were before Reddit.
It was literally the idea was like, oh, there's a show.
There's one show about black people on TV.
Let's watch it.
All right.
We'll have a look.
If the only people look like me, might as well check it out.
Jeremy Lynn plays basketball for the Knicks.
Yeah.
Every Asian in New York was at the Knicks stand.
I was a fan because he was close enough.
There it is.
I was like, I'll take it.
Close enough to India.
Yeah, I'll take it.
Close enough.
So it's like everybody keeps on trying to get like the succession whites in America.
I don't even know if they're the succession whites, but like this idea of I think you just do some good shit.
And usually if it's about something, that group, like I get the mental health, I get the depression people, which who aren't great with word of mouth.
I should have picked differently.
Lively sounds.
But I get like the mental health area.
Yes.
And then it spreads out from there.
I think that you got to create what you want to create.
That's got to come from a real place.
But then when you're looking at the marketing and you're like, oh, shit, like nobody's speaking to these people in the mental health space.
And like, this is something really important to me.
And I really care about.
This shit is probably going to really resonate to them.
Right.
If you go to an exec and ask them which clip they should put out, they'd be like, What is your most relatable clip to everybody?
Oh, there's a clip about chicken soup, and you're like, What do you are missing it?
You meet 10% of people that are going to tell every one of their fucking suicidal friends about it.
And they got to watch it, they got to watch it quickly because they're going to be dead in 70.
It goes down by 100,000 every day.
Big opening game.
Not a lot of repeats.
Life really is circular.
You lose 100 and you gain 100.
Tell us about this show, Neil.
You know, Andrew, thank you.
Yeah.
It's basically the ways in which it's like, it's called unacceptable in that, like, I'm not, I don't do anything.
I'm not, I don't have kids, not married.
Yes.
I don't eat meat.
Don't really drink.
Don't only smoke weed.
Live alone.
Have a dog.
Fine with it.
I'm liberal.
I'm like, kind of not a good liberal.
Yeah.
Racially, it's like, I write very good racial jokes and like, but like, well, you know, but maybe Michelle Obama thinks I'm racist.
Yeah, yeah.
There's a, I don't fit in any, I'm not really like anyone.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
You're giving me all the reasons no one should come to this.
Well, no, but what I've come to realize is like no one feels like they belong.
That's the thing.
Like you're about not the closest analog, but you're like similarly like something.
Yes.
When you walk on stage, you never know what everybody is thinking about you.
Now you probably know because you're a famous person, but remember early in stand-up when you get on stage for the first time?
Yeah, yeah.
Like I'd envy like a fat guy that would go on stage.
Yeah.
Because everybody knew.
You ever, you know what's funny?
I've had black comics admit to me that they only want to be the they want to be the only black comic on a show.
Really?
Why?
Because they get all the fucking monopolizing the other, the other and I'm the fish out of water.
You're going to be the black show on TV.
Yeah.
And you can, and you can get the like it's, it's the, the fishiest out of water person.
Yeah.
And you get all of like the you can do all the jokes.
You know what I mean?
Like you can do all the white people looking at me, whatever.
Like, yeah.
That's right.
If you have the other black guy that goes on the show before, now there's not this discomfort.
Right.
There's not that instant tension, which is good for comedy.
So that feeling of not knowing how you are how a white person opens his show if they're not fat or like wheelchair or something.
Yeah.
I'm like, that sucks, dude.
That sucks.
Oh, yeah.
Just from.
I'm just open about my race, which kind of sucks, but it's just, there you go.
It's easier.
It's done.
It's like having a uniform in school.
Yes.
What makes life easier makes comedy harder.
Yeah.
Right.
That's usually a function an equation that always works, right?
So it's like if you're a hot woman, life's pretty easy.
Makes comedy pretty tough.
Really hard.
Right.
And if you're like really weird and you have kind of like a misfigured face or some shit like that, you know what to talk about the second you get on stage.
And I'm sure it gets annoying and fucking boring.
I'm sure if you're like a gay comic coming out every single time that you go on stage, like pain the ass, like painful moment in your life, you just got to fucking relive.
But it's still something that you can talk about that you're all on the same page.
Yeah.
Right.
So instead, you'd have to learn how to write jokes.
Right.
And, but I understand that feeling that like, um, there's like this vague sense of like, what?
Yeah.
And I don't, I'm not, when people go, people go like, you're like Eminem.
I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Just because you've seen me with black people.
It's like the most simplistic, dumb distillation.
So it's about feeling like the, I'm not acceptable, like I'm not in the world and how it's kind of, it eats away at me.
Cause I think like, why don't you want to have kids?
Why aren't you married?
Why aren't you a better liberal?
what is what's going on with you and race like all the uh like why why doesn't weed like mdma doesn't work on my brain i've done it seven times doesn't work just where i'm like something i keep saying a couple times during the show i say like something's wrong with me and then there's a story at the end where i like even in comedy i'm like Every comedian I meet's like, seem like more of a writer.
And every writer's like, you're more of a comedian.
Right?
And when comedians say you're a writer, it means like, give me your jokes.
And when a writer says you're a comedian, it means like, you're annoying.
So it's like fitting in.
And then there's like a Netflix anecdote where Rock made the fucking best, funniest fucking joke about me.
Like, but like laughing stuff.
I'm not going to do the joke, but it was literally like Ellen, Eddie, Dave, Chris, like the Hall of Fame, like Burr.
The joke I do is Decap, this, this story is so named Robie.
DiCaprio was there.
I don't even mention it.
And the cutaways were like Ellen, like, and just like this feeling of like, even the, I'm not, I don't have, it's kind of what I was saying before.
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It's like, there aren't a lot of people.
My peers, like age-wise, Dave, we're having different experiences.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like Chris, me and Chris are, they've gotten close in the last decade or, but like, there's just not a lot of, and then there's like, when I started doing stand-up, I had already done Chappelle show.
So I'm like this rich, successful guy.
And then the new guys are like Crohn, Mulaney, Aziz.
Then they're all more, then they shoot a button.
So I'm like, kind of like, ah, I don't have like my guys.
Who are your peers?
Right.
I don't, I just don't have any.
Yeah.
Which I don't expect anybody to care about.
But it's, from my point of view, it's like, yeah.
It's a bit like I, there's no one like, remember when we, it's fucking, you know, there's a, there's an isolation.
Yes.
There's an isolation, which, and then, so the question becomes, is something wrong with me or something wrong with the world?
Or is nothing wrong at all?
There's a, there's a, right.
There's a Nipsey hustle thing.
And I'm sure he didn't write it, but it's, would you rather be at peace with yourself and at war with the world or at war with yourself and at peace with yourself?
Like, and it's like, either one, you're at war.
Yeah, yeah.
Which war do you want?
So it's just a matter of choosing.
And, and, but what I found is like, like with three mics, I just went first.
I wasn't worried, like, no one's going to, I kind of thought, like, people are going to relate to this in some way.
Yeah.
And with, yeah, it's like with three mics where people are like, oh, yeah, my so-and-so did it.
I don't think there's anybody who wakes up and is like, I feel perfectly part of something bigger than myself.
Well, if you don't, then nobody does.
No, I feel like what you were saying before, like not exactly knowing.
Right.
You know, like, um, but I'm also kind of like, I guess, comfortable in operating within that.
Like, you know, in terms of peers, like Akash and I starting together, and we have like a few guys that we started together, but like, I have a very small, tight-knit group.
And it's probably because like within my group, I know that I feel like a sense of responsibility for that group.
So I can't just be like, there's certain guys who are just like friends with everybody.
It's like, well, what happens when they need something?
Right.
And like, what happens when you get something and you have the opportunity to put them on?
You just go, I'm sorry, buddy.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, you know, I want to be in a position where if I got something, everybody got something, you know?
Right.
And I also don't like being in a position where like.
But that's got its own pitfalls.
Yeah.
If you guys wouldn't mind leaving the room, I'd like to talk to you.
That's why you got to choose wisely.
Yeah, but it's still going to be like, there's still going to be fucking petty and like you just shit that you can't even believe happens.
Give people credit, man.
I don't, that I don't have a problem with, but I just know guys that like rich successful people.
You know, the guys that don't give credit.
No, no, no, but I know rich, successful guys who's like, if they buy the mom a house, then the brothers and sisters don't want to have Thanksgiving at that house because you think you're better than us.
That's stupid, petty.
I agree, but it's very human.
Yeah.
And it happens with like score, like not almost everybody, but like there's like the hero's journey, and then there's like the opposite of the hero's journey.
Like where you just see what happens to narcissists.
There's an article by this guy, Tim Minchin in The Guardian.
Yeah, it's great.
He hasn't done Sam in 10 years.
He hadn't done Sam in 10 years.
And he said, because he could tell what fame was doing to him was bad.
And he wore eyeshadow before.
So you can only imagine.
But his like, the way he describes it, it's like, yeah, I've seen, it's like there's just a program that people get in.
And like, oh, yeah.
Let me get, I can tell you what's going to happen here.
But yeah, I feel like also that happens like when you isolate yourself from you know the people that can be honest with you.
And it's just basic insecurities.
They also might be a little bit different now with no, with much less industry pulling the strings.
Like you operate on your own to a large degree.
You'll work with these guys, but like, you are your own guy.
Yeah.
I don't feel like I have to sell my soul to go to a party.
I don't want to go to a party.
Like I've seen you turn down all this stuff.
Like you don't, you play the game on your own terms.
And now we all see we kind of have that ability.
So I'm not saying petty shit won't pop up.
I think we do a good job of always putting the friendship first.
But yeah, it could pop up.
But also it's, I think it's less likely when like, like I'm sure Comedy Central was saying stuff to you and Dave and causing this whole thing.
Oh, yeah.
We don't have as much of that because there's no Tommy Central right now.
Yeah, we're not fighting for like the other people's money.
Whereas like, yeah, and I can see that totally happening.
Like everybody trying to get theirs.
But I do feel, yeah, that's tricky.
That's also very tricky.
And then you're being put against each other.
And yeah, that's that can still work to make sure this always goes well, especially as like Andy's career skyrocketing.
I always want to make sure I'm nothing but happy for him.
And I don't need anything from that.
That's my brother doing great.
Great.
Yes, great.
Yeah, but it's easy for some people that don't have a relationship we have to be like jealous or resentful or something.
And also a little easier if there's no outside forces being like, I'm sure there's literally someone tweeted at me today or something or he DM'd me something about like something, something, Dave Chappelle's dick washer or something.
It was like, but again, Dave doesn't say it.
Yeah.
Dave didn't say it.
Yeah.
Some fucking guy said it.
Yeah.
And it's still, so that's rattling around in my head.
Yeah.
There's shit that you get a fucking sudden.
I'm sure there's a million of them.
And so it's, you have to like filter that out when you see anybody that you're working with that's like, well, I'm not going to put that on them.
But it's just hard.
You know what?
You know what's like what was, I think, helped us is I got to go through everything Akash goes through with Charla.
Yeah.
Right.
So it's like I knew exactly what was going on.
I knew all the fucking DMs.
And you get, you get both sides of the DMs.
Like everybody here is going to get the DMs.
Like, yo, the show ain't shit without you.
You're the best, blah, blah.
And then everybody's also going to get the DMs, which is like, yo, you're the only, you suck.
You're the worst.
You're fucking blah, blah, blah.
I love you.
Exactly.
Yeah, so much better.
Yes.
So it's when do you see the comments on this?
It's going to be the first 10.
We have to vote them down, guys.
Yeah, I think they're going to like you just ripping us to shit.
No, they'll enjoy that.
Someone's going to use the word actually a lot.
This guy's actually funny.
Really?
After 25 years of giving you material, you quoted to every girl you were trying to fuck.
Now I'm actually funny.
Thanks, you fucking goofball.
Yeah.
That's what you got to try to remember, though, is who that person is.
Oh, it's very dudes got pussy off of your lines.
Rick James.
I mean, you can't literally sketch.
Yeah.
It's incalculable.
Yeah.
But it is interesting.
And like, I don't know.
It's avoidable and it's very hard to avoid.
Like, it's, it takes premeditation from the first person to succeed.
Yeah.
And then post-meditation.
It's like, it just, you, you take, it's just like, then you have to know what you're getting yourself into.
Yeah.
And you have to be, you have to like the, you have to like the thing.
You have to like, you have to like this.
You have to like this.
You have to like the people you're working with.
You have to respect the people you're working with.
And then, yeah, and you also have to, I don't know, for me, it's like that, you have to be like super grateful for it.
You know, I think that's something like we are the worst people.
We, meaning comedians, are often like the worst people to become famous because there is an inherent narcissism and ego.
Well, it's also a smallness of character where it's like, I got to be the prettiest and there can be no second place.
Yes.
Yeah.
You can't even.
No one can come in second place.
Like, no, no, no.
I have to win outright.
Yeah.
Or else it's let's not even do it.
Yeah.
And that's the that's the that's the stuff that but again that ends up.
I know a lot of really it's not just comedians, I musicians.
Yeah, it's people in this business.
Just yeah, it's just show business people.
But that's what fucks everything.
And it's like, can I get a water?
Yeah.
Can I?
Yeah, Can you grab a I drink both of them?
Yeah.
But yeah, dude, having that like, I don't know, I've seen that.
I've seen the fucking jealousy and that kind of stuff becoming corrosive.
And there was this guy.
This is like fucking random guy just said this to me.
And it kind of really resonated because I would think about it with Charlotte.
And Charlotte is like just super, he's very generous with credit.
And Charlotte's like very, like, not very show busy.
Yeah.
He's, he's not show busy.
And that's something like I saw him just be successful without having to do that whole thing.
Yeah.
But also like, I would tell him all the time, I'd be like, buddy, like, you're way bigger than me.
Like, if you want to call this your show or any of that kind of stuff.
And he was like, no, no, it's, you know, it's ours.
We're just doing it together.
And like, I just tried to fill in as many gaps as I could.
I was like, okay, he's offering all this.
You know what's weird about the brilliant idiots?
You guys are more popular separately than you are together.
It's fucking bizarre.
Isn't that great?
One of those weird.
It's like, it like it's so weird.
Like you're both great on your own, and people are like, yeah, just get rid of the, get rid of the other guy.
And meanwhile, I don't know, it's fucking, it's so, it like goes against that spirit thing that I was saying.
Yeah.
Because the spirit, it's like, you guys have a spirit, but I think the audience is like, we don't like this spirit.
Separate it.
I like peanut butter and chocolate, but together.
Together, why would you?
But I learned a lot from him about it and like dealing with that kind of stuff.
And that was very helpful.
And I think a lot of people, they just don't get that opportunity.
And like also understanding the feeling of being in that position, being like a number two and to somebody who's huge.
Like when we started that podcast, like Charlamagne was fucking going, bro.
Like it was out of here, you know?
Understanding what that was, checking my fucking evo ego every week.
Like, I'm sure you've experienced this being around famous people.
Like, you ever around someone famous and you try to say something, and the person that you're talking to cannot even shift their head to care when you say something because Leonardo Caprio is talking, or he could talk.
He might not even be saying anything, right?
And just to sit in a room and like say something funny and then look at everybody, like, no, nothing.
You're just waiting.
Well, that's whenever I'm on stage with Dave.
He'll like, my jokes have to be perfect.
Yeah.
And he just has to be like, hit the mic on his knee and people are like, fucking, yeah.
I have to like fucking have diagrams and shit because they're like, I don't.
I always say, like, he's Skittles and I'm the guy with the recipe for Skittles.
It's going to taste the same.
Yeah, no, no.
No, it's like, I know how to make it.
It's like, do you have Skittles?
No, but like, I developed Skit.
Forget it.
Yeah, yeah.
I see the Skittles.
Yeah, that, but that is good that you've been able to.
It's if you're kind of like you, yeah, and you're lucky and you appreciate and appreciate it, even if it's not the most lucrative.
Or it's, it's, I was talking to somebody about this the other day, comedian, uh, big comedian.
And I'll just say who was Cedric, right?
Yeah.
Cedric said, I like going on tours with other people more than by myself.
Less money, less time.
It's just, but off stage, the hang, it's like, how much money do you need?
Yeah.
At a certain point, it's like, ah, more.
But you're fucking alone and not that, it's not friendly.
You're not.
I, the, the joke I've been doing, you know, people on reality shows say, I didn't come here to make friends.
I actually came here to make friends.
Like, I came here to make friends, and everybody else is like, ah, I got the, okay, I just, I thought it would be, I think it's cool that we can do this and make money from it.
So, like, the, but you're also doing it for the love of the game.
Like, right.
You didn't have to come back.
Weirdly, when I was starting, I think you were getting it, though.
That's the thing is, I was never a comedian.
I remember seeing you.
You see the Comedy Village.
Yeah.
Remember the comedy village right there?
And I remember seeing it going back.
And I was like, oh, yeah, I guess, of course, he does stand-up, but I didn't know you were a stand-up.
Right.
So I didn't know what it was.
I like wasn't.
But you had jokes, though.
So it's not like you weren't.
No, no, no.
I knew how to write jokes, but I would do it like once a week.
You know what I mean?
Like, I was busy.
Yeah, yeah.
But it was just, yeah, so like your path was different.
It was like, yeah, it's like you're a guy.
There's no, that's the other thing.
It's like, I don't have any.
It's like, you know, like when a guy creates a huge show and then the other guy goes to Africa and then the one guy does stand-up.
Yeah.
It's like there's no one else.
There's no one like, oh, so we should, there's no one.
I did it wrong.
Yeah.
You see, like, I just did it wrong, which, but I, it's fine.
Like, it's not even like it.
There's no wrong, but you just came at it.
And like, for me, I'm looking at like, you actually love the game.
I love it.
I, I, I'm like a gym.
Like, I love you're a seven-footer who actually wants to play basketball.
The Kim monologue where I'm like, man, I wish I fucking could have gotten a couple licks in that shit.
Even Chris and Blake were in a sketch.
I was like, this fucking stupid motherfuckers didn't text me.
Like, I wouldn't, I had jokes immediately for both of them that were whatever.
Yeah.
Like, you just want to get in.
Like, oh, I like, I like it.
Yeah.
You want to back in, bro?
Well, I like Niels, Niels, Neil's got a lot of.
I like comedy.
I don't, I don't want to, I like, I like comedy, but I don't, that doesn't mean like a consultant.
I'm not out of it.
No, what about that?
Like, what about instead of doing the toil and the grind, but like be a consultant on something that is regular?
Have I ever told you what I make on commercials?
It's just not like, why, why?
Yeah.
You're the coach.
I just do stand-up and then I'll come.
I'm going to come to my house.
I'll come and do your commercial.
I'm happy to do it.
I'll help.
And a lot of times they're like, ugh.
Has anyone ever offered you an exec job?
It seems like you have a good eye for funny.
You have been behind the scenes.
Why would I want to go somewhere and try to convince other convince unfunny people?
I would think if I'm an exec and I'm saying, what should we green light and what should we not, this would be a good guy to be like, hey, what do you think of this?
Yeah.
I actually offered, I said, told a network, give me $100,000 a year and I'll read all your scripts and I'll tell you which ones you should do or not.
And?
Oh, God, no.
King Tells Company?
Oh, I don't.
It was 10, 15 years ago.
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They probably just thought it was out of my mind.
But that doesn't mean anything.
Like, I don't.
That doesn't, whatever.
People want to, they want to get in the game.
Yeah.
They want, they want the scalp.
They want to, they want I, that's the other problem with my, me and my age is like, no one can take credit for me.
Oh, they want to be the one that's going to be.
No one would be like, you know, I saw him.
He pulled up in a Tesla and I thought he's never going to make it.
Like, he needs my help.
Like, I'm, the only guy that can take it is Dave.
Yeah.
So like, that's another, like, not like it's a huge disincentive, but it's more exciting to discover a Z's.
For them, but I'm sure for you, like, the success of three mics was probably very validating.
You know, like, okay, here's this thing that I'm doing outside of what most people know me for.
Yeah.
And it's unique and successful.
It's different.
The Twain speech was more that than anything.
Yeah.
Yeah, but the Twain speech is still connected.
It's only seven minutes.
But again, you have to go super viral.
It's special.
And the other thing, psychologically, cutting from me to Dave, where people are like, what?
Wait, what?
Seeing him like it was like, does something to them.
Oh, fuck it.
Like, oh, it clears everybody's minds.
Oh.
Because I thought he.
Wait, so he would probably say stuff and then he would say like also you're no longer racist.
If anybody thought you were.
A skillion percent.
I swear to God, I actually believe that.
I legitimately believe that.
It does work to have cutaways.
But if you've got a specific goal.
Yeah, black people.
Yeah, they cut to like America's favorite black guy.
You got to cut away a Dave laughing.
That's all about it.
We got to use that cutaway.
If you guys really got anything, I'll use it on dates sometimes.
I'll do it on the video.
Neil, listen, tell them where they can find you the show.
Unacceptable show.com.
Oh, yeah.
We didn't get to your anklet.
Please.
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We didn't?
No.
No, it's just ayahuasca.
Oh, really?
It's just an ayahuasca, a tribe in the Amazon, either Peru or Brazil, drinks of medicine and makes these, makes these, like, makes whatever jewelry or whatever the fuck this is.
And it just is a little reminder of that I'm flying away at the end of all this.
Hey.
Hey, I don't know what you're doing over there with this.
You see, he has a moment of vulnerability.
It's a moment of vulnerability.
Even I went funny.
And then immediately fuck everybody.
I know what you're doing.
We haven't even made fun of Al's trash ass pants either.
Oh, yeah.
The pants are crazy.
He's sitting behind a desk with the most sobbing pants I've ever seen.
He's on 100 pants.
What do you mean?
We really went two hours, no one brought it up, we couldn't see.
Guarantee you, everyone's going to be interested about this.
No, they're not.
Dude, what the fuck?
Red pants.
I didn't know you were Jamaican.
I got the dress.
Oh, yeah.
Guarantee you.
I like when a guy tries to break a new style.
It's like, just let it.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What exactly goes for?
It might work out, but you're gotta be.
You're really just trying to break something.
You're trying to break it?
Yeah, just break a style.
From the brand rude.
I guarantee you.
What?
From the very underground.
No one's a million-dollar fashion brand rude.
You're trying to break it down.
But it's still a different, still a different type of style.
Gotcha.
Gotcha.
You don't wear no pants.
You're going to break it.
You'll be wearing it a month.
You'll be wearing it a month.
That's what happened to him.
You ever tried to break it?
We wear a deep cut shirt and shit.
That's what happened to it.
That's what happened to it.
Come on, bro.
That's what happened to it.
I get some muscles.
Get some muscles in my muscles.
Like, come on, this is what happens.
Come on, bro.
Come on.
Come on, son.
Come on.
I would say this is unacceptable.
You know what else is unacceptable, Neil?
There's a play going on right now.
Can you call it a play?
There's a play.
There's a play.
There's a play going on.
The unacceptable play.
It's such a good segue.
It was going to be such a good segue.
Yeah, and then he called it a play.
It's a play.
Where's that at, Jim?
Unacceptable show.com.
Unacceptable show.
It's six more weeks.
Not another six weeks.
Yeah, wow.
This is the craziest thing ever to me.
Because the idea, the pressure of selling tickets on the road is already a lot.
I've already sold 8,000, and I have to sell way more.
But in the same city.
I know.
That's what's nuts.
Yeah.
That's nuts.
It's wild.
And do you have people come back?
Yeah, I think.
Does that make you feel uncomfortable ever?
I can't tell.
Okay.
Why do you black out the audience?
I won't allow myself to see cutaways.
No, you can only see a few ropes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I don't, you know, pick on Puerto Ricans like you do.
Just one.
Just one guy in his pants.
Yeah, so people come back because they like it, but I don't know who.
That was worse than Play.
That was way more.
I don't insult minorities like this guy.
Puerto Rican.
Okay.
But Unacceptable Show.
UnexceptibleShow.com.com.
Now that you think I'm actually pretty funny, he's actually pretty funny.
Yes.
I'm at actuallyprettyfunny.com.
That's a way to get it.
We can buy that angle.
Actually, pretty funny.
But no, go check out Neil's show.
Neil, you know, I'm a huge fan.
I think you're absolutely brilliant.
I know that you don't want me to compliment you and shit like that.
You got to.
I fuck with all you guys.
I watch all the clips.
We love you.
I'm excited to meet you.
I was excited to meet all you guys.
Because the other thing about these shows are, I said this on Rogan one time.
These are like sitcoms.
Whether you guys realize it or not, like you're all like, I remember when you got locked up in Amsterdam and your wedding episode.
And you did the college where you went back to your college.
Like, I know the fucking narratives of all these shows that I don't even.
I don't watch every episode, but I know enough to have the same relationship that we had with sitcoms back in the day.
It's the same thing of like, oh, it's so-and-so.
Ding-dong.
Yeah.
Here comes fucking numb.
Look at his stupid pants.
Get him.
So you agree they suck, right?
The pants are awesome.
I won't go back to negotiating.
Yeah, looks like a parole bracelet for games.
For gays.
I haven't heard gays in a long time.
Parole bracelet for gays.
Okay, we have the title of the episode.
Neil, we love you.
We appreciate you.
Yo, go check out Neil's show, man.
And I'm coming not this week, next week.
Great.
And I want to buy my.
You got to be vaxed.
I'm vaxxed, bro.
I know, but that's for the black people.
Can you just have a card?
I literally heard a bunch of kids like plotting in front of the show.
I was just sitting in front of the show and they're like, nah, I got the fake card.
I'll get you on that.
That's got to make you feel good, though, that they want to break the law.
No, yeah, that they're willing to break the law for me.
No, yeah.
The 75% of black people cannot come.
When I did the Breakfast Club, I was like, well, this is practice.
This is practice for a white radio show who can actually come.
Guys, Neil Brennan, go check out Neil, man.
Make sure you check out the show and let him know that we told you to go there, okay?