Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh dissect the Kanye West vs. Drake feud, analyzing whether a pin of Drake's Toronto home is a genuine threat or a fabricated stunt driven by ego. They argue that while Drake dominates as the "artist of the decade," Kanye's aggression stems from a fear of losing his stranglehold on rap, mirroring alpha male competitiveness and past battles like Cam'ron vs. Styles P. Ultimately, the hosts suggest this subjective art competition hinges on streaming numbers and public perception rather than objective victory, highlighting how strategic album delays force Kanye into a reactive cycle. [Automatically generated summary]
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Kanye And Drake Beef00:10:09
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Obviously, Kanye and Drake are continuing their fake or real beef.
We're not exactly sure which one it is, but Kanye dropped a pin of basically Drake's house in Toronto.
Yeah.
Which is interesting, which makes me feel like this whole thing is fabricated.
Yeah.
That's too far.
What do you mean?
Too far in.
Like, even Kanye knows that's too far.
Like, you're putting people's lives at risk.
And also, he's dealt with this shit.
So, like, he knows firsthand, like, it's mad crazy to do that.
Yeah.
So, you don't think it's his real house?
You don't even like paparazzi showing up to his house.
Imagine like crazy fans.
Yeah.
Yeah, I just, I just feel like this whole thing is fabricated.
I kind of feel people probably know where Drake's career is.
Drake made a three-year documentary about this $100 million house that he's putting on in Toronto on the street called Bridal Path, which is like, it's you saying, I moved to Rodale Drive.
Like, I'm here.
Yeah, everybody knows where he lives.
Everybody.
Okay, so let me take that back.
The only caveat that I was going to, that I was going to put in that is, I wouldn't make a deal with Kanye if I truly believe that he's suffering from mental illness.
I would make a deal with Drake.
Yeah.
I go, Drake, this is the deal.
We can, like, let's say, and I wonder if fighters ever do this.
Like, I would do this with a fighter.
Let's say I'm fighting Khabib.
I go, yo, just tell me this shit to stay away from.
I'm going to hype this fight.
We're going to make millions of dollars.
I'm going to go crazy and talk shit.
Tell me the things that are across the line and say them right now.
But then they got to trust you.
And listen, and if they don't, that's fine.
But if they want to come with me and I'll just be like, listen, I want to fuck you up.
Like, please, I want to make sure you're concussed.
You're knocked out.
You wake up.
That's cool.
Whatever.
But give me the shit that is too much.
And if he's smart and he wants to make fucking tens of millions of dollars with me talking my shit, then we go.
And it's funny.
It's funny you say that.
That's what happened with Dipset and the Locks.
No.
Yeah.
But they spoke about it openly.
They said they, hey, what's crossing the line?
We're going to be a little jippy like jabs and stuff like that.
And yo, just don't tell me to suck your dick and we good.
And don't hit me in the face.
That was it.
That was the wolf.
Yeah, they're homies.
They're like, all right, look, they're homies.
We want to fucking go at it.
It was a chant idea.
It was chippy.
Wait, I love this.
I love this.
So they were just like, no suck dicks.
Yeah.
No violence.
Don't touch my face.
I mean, it got close when Cam kicked Styles.
Yeah, when Cam kicked Styles.
But it was like.
Yeah.
But you got to be homies, though, because otherwise it's like, oh, I'm just going to tell you all the worst shit about me.
And then you're going to have all the ammunition to use against me if you want to.
But they respect each other.
That's what I'm saying.
So it has to be all.
Because you were some random motherfucker and be like, all right, tell me your darkest secrets not to say.
Yeah.
Really?
But at the same time, if they don't say anything, like, let's say I reached out and then I didn't hear back from the fighter that I was going to fight, right?
I could go, I could say whatever the fuck I want at that point because I'm like, yo, I asked.
I didn't ask you.
I was respectful.
I came to you in the DMs.
You've seen it.
And I said, what are the topics that you want to avoid?
You looked at it and you didn't say a single thing.
So now everybody's getting to smoke.
Your mom, your family, your religion, everything's getting it.
We hyping this fight.
Yeah.
I mean, people still come at you for being tasteless or whatever.
Anybody, any of his fans are going to come at me no matter what.
But if they're more angry, they're buying that pay-per-view.
They're not going to watch the reruns.
True.
So I would do that with someone like Drake because I feel like this guy is just strictly business.
This motherfucker knows what's going on.
Kanye, I don't believe it.
Kanye type person, like he could have a deal with you and then that shit is thrown out the window.
Kanye a billionaire too.
So it's like he don't really need the money, the promo.
Kanye building fucking houses in Soldier Field.
This is literally all ego.
Yeah.
The whole thing is ego.
You haven't heard of the rap game before?
What?
No, no, no.
It's so funny.
Duval's the greatest, bro.
I love how he just trashes rappers.
Yeah, all his friends are rappers.
But he's like, he was posing pictures of this private jet.
He's like, if rappers really had the money that they're talking about, they'd be flying and they'd be flying and jets that look like this, not the little shit.
So he goes, at least I own my little shit.
It was like the best way to say, I own a plane.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
But, but yeah, I don't know.
Like, I think now maybe the beef is real.
And literally, Kanye's putting an album out just to shit on Drake.
Is it possible the whole album is to shit on Drake?
I mean, yeah, it's not crazy.
I mean, two motherfuckers flew to space just to shit on each other.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, the wars have been fought over fucking egos getting hurt.
Yeah.
To make an album to hurt someone's ego, yeah, it's not crazy.
But imagine that shutting down your whole life.
Like, that's real estate in your head.
Because I don't think Drake is trying to shit on Ye.
I think Drake's going out there, like, listen, I'm the best in my generation.
And I mean, he's like a shit dropping bar.
No, he's going to take shots, et cetera.
But I don't think the sole purpose of putting out the album.
Oh, no, no, no.
I think it's like, I got to satisfy this deal that I got.
Yeah.
Or maybe this is the first one outside the deal or something like that.
But a rapper.
I make rap music.
Let's go.
It's time.
Right.
I put the fucking heart in my head.
It's time for me to drop an album.
I need to give purpose to this shit.
You saw his heart looking on life support, motherfucker.
He said he got COVID and his hairline got fucked up.
Come on, man.
Don't blame it on the bitch.
Nah, you can get a barber to come to your place, right?
A little bit shit up.
But yeah, I don't know.
I just feel like he has real estate and he is living rent-free in Kanye's head to the point where Kanye is willing to put out a whole album just to shit on Drake's release.
Drake did to Kanye what Bushy T did to him.
You know how Drake would just keep bringing up the Pusha T shit for like a year later.
He'd be in an interview talking about it and be like, dog, Drake, here's it.
Type.
Move on.
Yeah.
It's okay.
You're still the greatest of your generation.
Go.
But he just kept fucking talking.
Kanye's like that.
He's just obsessed on this fucking obsessed with Drake.
Why do you guys think?
I guess Drake's like the artist of the decade.
Yeah.
And Kanye sees himself.
Kanye was supposed to be.
Drake's the artist of the decade.
He fucks everybody.
Like, you know what I mean?
Drake is the guy.
Yeah, Drake fulfilled the potential that Kanye had.
You know what I mean?
Like, Kanye was the greatest, like, for years.
Like, those first three albums, like, were unprecedented.
And he was the best producer, the best rapper, had like the best features, like everything.
And then he went crazy.
I mean, for that decade, or like that generation, like 2006 to three MAGA hat?
Anybody ever put him as the best rapper, but definitely maybe the best artist.
But kids fucking worshipped him, dude.
But now Drake's the best artist.
No one's saying Drake's the best rapper.
He's seeing it slip away.
So he and he's just acting a little bit irrationally, kind of like Connor, because he's noticing his stranglehold on the game slip away.
Yeah.
Maybe.
He's always been like before recently, always really competitive.
Remember the fucking lollipop remix of Wayne where he was like, you're not finna bother me like everybody else.
I do it for the belt.
Like he always wanted that fucking spot.
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Now let's get back to the shit.
I don't know.
I think just strategically, though, Kanye has delayed it too much.
I think he's fucking up now.
I agree.
I think the first delay was brilliant.
I think the second was a bit much.
And now it's like, bruh, bring this.
Drop this shit.
Some could say the same for Drake.
Okay, Al.
Drake said he was supposed to drop in July.
But how about this?
How about this?
How about this?
Now Kanye needs to drop the same day as Drake.
Yeah, he has to.
He has to.
He's locked to the Drake drop date.
So now Drake controls your destiny.
Drake could just sit in his shit and be like, you know what?
I think I'm put out in like a month.
He can make another album.
Yeah, but he does that.
He'll look scared.
Maybe he can find it.
That's true.
Right now, we know Kanye's waiting for Drake to drop.
Drake keeps pushing his shit back.
Oh, shit.
What if he does what Marcus said?
What if he does what Marcus said?
What if he drops like a capsule or whatever Torrey calls him shits?
He drops like three songs.
Drake drops.
And he goes, just kidding.
Next week drops the real shit.
Oh, I mean, yeah, they could all play with each other.
He's got Kanye by the balls right now.
Kanye's drop is locked to Drake because he's made it about Drake.
He gave up all his power.
And I also think the difference between the Kanye Drake pushback and the Drake pushing it back, there was so much hype around Kanye because just who was it that tweeted?
Everybody that was at the listening party was like, this shit is incredible.
There was hype around this.
Kanye is back.
Yeah.
And then he pushes.
Drake Drops Capsule Album00:05:31
All right, fine.
We'll go to the next listening party.
Kanye is back.
And then he pushes.
And then he pushes.
And now it's just like, dog, I'm done caring.
It just leaks.
And like, people are listening to it.
And they're like, but it's an unjoint, but it's an unfinished leak.
It's not the final album.
So he could always, you know, Kanye.
Kanye tweaks the album up until it comes out and even after it comes out.
Right.
So we could have a completely different album by the time this shit comes out.
Yeah.
Like my thing is with the hype, this is so good for both of them because I don't care when it comes out.
I'm listening.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a fight.
They turned it into a fight.
Because I remember Kanye's last album, The Church shit.
Like, I gave that probably a few weeks went by before I actually listened to that shit.
But this one, the moment it comes out, I'm listening.
Like Pablo.
Yeah.
And Pablo, he tweaked up until.
Remember he was saying Blame Championship.
He tweaked it after.
Yeah.
That shit dropped.
I remember there was like bars that changed.
Like I had the first version and I downloaded it and then the second version.
I have two versions of Pablo.
And what is it like?
It's like the podcast.
Like you can just upload a new link or whatever or a new like a source file.
Yeah.
And then it changes.
Crazy.
I have two versions of Pablo.
Because you bought the first one.
So it stays that way.
You download the first one.
Yeah, man.
I don't know.
It is interesting.
Why does everything need to be a fight?
Why is that the only thing that we are drawn to?
It's just the highest stakes.
Why?
Yeah, you're the most competitive.
Why is there sports?
No, no, we got the best show on tour.
Yeah, No, I understand wanting to be the best.
I understand these things.
I'm saying, like, I'm asking, like, about our humanity.
Why are we all drawn to this?
I am the most drawn to it.
I love boxing.
I love MMA.
I love competition.
I want to have the greatest show on earth.
Not, well, let's just have a good show.
I want it to be the greatest.
Like, why is that so primal to us?
Why is that instinctual?
Why is it when someone's going, yo, this album's gonna be great, and then another person goes, mine's gonna be better.
I'm like, let's get ready to rumble.
Like, I just can't wait all of a sudden.
That means I'm like a microcosm of human evolution.
It's like, it's what everyone wants to fucking do.
It's how we got here: is that, yo, my tribe's better than your tribe.
Like, my weapon's better than your weapons.
And so it's like instilled in our biology.
And so when you see it play out and like sort of a more fun, like, you know, I can only win if you lose.
Yeah, maybe, exactly.
I think maybe we gravitate towards stakes.
Yeah.
Maybe that's it.
So it's like, um, like the alpha male gorillas, too.
Also, we all want to be that fucking alpha male.
We all want to watch who's going to be the alpha male.
But we want to see shit on the line.
Like, this is stupid to relate to this, but like the crate challenge, we're not watching him to see him make it.
Yeah.
Like someone's going to fail.
Yeah.
Right?
Like, we watch the show wipe out or whiplash, whatever that thing is.
Like, somebody is going to fail.
The stakes are high.
And when there's competition, putting out an album, if it flops, then the album flops.
But putting out an album against someone else and you lose?
That's different.
That is, that's hurt.
That's pain.
Yeah.
There was a reason versus exists.
There's a loser in versus.
Yep.
Now, some might say, you know, in certain situations, both parties win, et cetera, but we really know what time it is.
That's the great part about art competitions is that it's like kind of subjective.
Yeah, so you could skirt out.
Yeah, you're in a competition and be like, hi, he didn't really win.
The judges, whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I feel that's one of the biggest knocks on Fitz career when he went up against Kanye and lost.
And then lost.
Yeah.
Like his career was never the same after that.
I think it was always fading a bit.
He was tiny, but he was still that dude.
And then it was like, oh, shit, this polo wearing backpack motherfucker just took you out and something over a gangster.
Maybe it was different in New York, but I was in LA at the time and you didn't hear Kanye's name ring out.
And I remember thinking, Kanye's doing this.
I mean, Fitzy is doing this to try to get back to relevancy because he was kind of out of the mix.
You didn't hear his shit as much.
Oh, in New York, he was still that nigga.
He was bad New York.
He was still.
He had New York on his own.
I run New York.
Yeah, that was his song, right?
I've run New York.
I mean, yeah, man.
But he was going up against Kanye, who was putting out like a different level of music.
I mean, that first Fitz album was awesome.
Yeah.
But it was not, it wasn't a Kanye album, man.
Just wasn't.
I think that 50 story was just so unique and interesting.
We're like, what is this guy?
He's a super thug, but he also raps really cool.
And even like his voice was kind of odd.
Yeah.
You know, and that the origin story was fucking immaculate.
Yeah.
Right?
Like, you just loved it.
Wait, shot, how many times?
What happened?
And they're not around anymore.
What the fuck?
Like, this is you.
You literally, if you saw it in a movie, you wouldn't believe it.
If you saw the scene where the guy gets shot nine times point blank and then lives, you wouldn't believe it.
Yeah.
You'd be like, this only happens in the movies.
Anyways, who do you think wins it?
It's Kanye or Drake.
Drake.
I was going to say Kanye.
I was saying Kanye at first.
Now I don't know.
There's league versions, like you said, like it's taking too long.
I think the buzz has died down.
I think early on, the buzz was so crazy.
I think everybody was going to listen.
I think he would have won.
I mean, I was taking too long.
It's exactly like a McGregor fight.
We're like, I'm going to watch for Kanye.
But I think Drake's got it.
Yeah, I mean, like, McGregor's fighting Dustin.
I'm like, Dustin's got the fundamentals.
He's got his head on, right?
Like, I think he's going to win.
And do you think Drake wins with it's just bangers?
It's like, what is it about, or is it Drake brings all the ladies in and the numbers are just too crazy?
Also, what is a win?
I mean, Drake's just more consistent.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good question.
What is a win?
Is it first day numbers?
Is it how the people feel about it?
Because there could be a bunch of kids that just turned on a Drake album.
Who Wins The Streams War00:01:05
They're like, oh, this is great.
This is what we want to hear.
But we could also listen to the Kanye album and go like, no, this is like ultra-light beam.
This is one of the greatest songs I've ever heard in my life.
And this is just better music.
Yeah.
So what do you guys consider the dub?
They're going to go by the numbers.
First of streams.
First day streams?
Or just first week?
Yeah.
Usually that's how it works.
I mean, I guess like public opinion, it will be one like facet in like what the conversation is, streams, and then my personal take on like whose music I like better.
I've been a mixture of all of it.
The streams thing is tricky because if one album has more songs, that's just going to get more streams.
But can't you just also say one wins because they're more popular, not because of the album?
It's just like someone has more fans.
Yeah, and Drake has more cachet than Kanye probably in terms of global listening community.
It's close though.
It's really close.
Yeah.
I don't know.
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