Sheltie and Doug dissect the controversy surrounding The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, questioning if the show is white supremacist after its protagonist became queen of the Veiled Prophet Ball in St. Louis in 1999. They debate whether Kimmy, then 19, should have known the organization's history as an overtly white supremacist group founded with a motto to maintain rich white supremacy, despite officially allowing Black people since 1979. Comparing the situation to Germany distancing itself from Nazi history, they argue that accepting such roles or buying brands like Volkswagen might imply sympathy given their historical ties. The hosts express disbelief at Missouri's role in slavery without significant cotton farming and conclude by questioning if the ball remains a whites-only club in practice, ultimately suggesting the show ignores deep-seated racial complexities while promoting gambling on the Mayweather versus Paul fight. [Automatically generated summary]
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The unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is a white supremacist.
Can you guys break this down?
All right, so here's my understanding.
There was a ball called the Veiled Prophet Ball.
It's been in St. Louis for, I don't know, decades, maybe centuries.
It's been going on.
And it was, it started as a white supremacist thing.
I think their motto was, we want to.
Yeah, well, their motto was overtly.
The purpose was overtly, the purpose was like written to maintain the power structure.
Like that's like, everything is right.
But if you put that shit in writing, it's like, nah, this is what time it is.
We want to maintain rich white supremacy, essentially, back in the day.
Now, in 1979, I think it was, they were like, we need to shed this image.
They started allowing black people, which they didn't do before.
They changed the name to something else.
I forget what it was called.
Do you remember what it was called after?
No.
Whatever.
They changed the name.
And then in 1999, this girl who was from the office, what's her name?
Ellie Kimberley.
Kimmy Schmidt.
Kimmy Schmidt.
Kimmy Schmidt goes in 1999 and she becomes the princess or queen of the ball or whatever.
So 20 years after all these changes have been implemented, she becomes the queen of the ball.
And now Twitter is coming for her because this thing used to be right.
So it's like The Bachelor again.
Yes.
It's exactly.
Exactly what I thought.
Now, she's supposed to be aware of the history of this place before she goes and becomes a queen of the ball.
But if they recognize how shitty their past was, they said, we need to shed this image.
Yes.
We have a cool tradition, but we want to remove all the racism from it, which is essentially what every country has done.
And I mean, we're all guilty of some form of hatred or bigotry, and we've tried to shed it to the best of our ability.
I don't see why this makes her a fucking KKK member.
If you visit Germany, are you a Nazi sympathizer?
Yep.
Because they had a really fucking horrible history 70 years ago and then did everything they could to shed it.
So do you forgive them or do you cancel Germany?
Can I ask you a question?
If you buy a Volkswagen, are you...
If you buy a Hugo boss suit, are you...
Volkswagen is Swedish.
No, Volkswagen is people's car.
Volkswagen.
Volkswagen.
I'm thinking about it.
Literally, literally, the people, the Nazis' car.
Hugo boss made the suits for the Nazis.
That's why them shits were lit.
Yeah.
The lines were good.
Doug, can you back me up on it?
Those SS uniforms?
White fitted.
They were ridiculous.
Yo, he probably did this logo design.
You know what I mean?
Like lightning.
He did it, yo.
Pretty fire.
So it's like, don't say that, Doug.
Fire, bro.
Can you think of another adjective to describe it?
Fire.
No, it's just baked into the body.
Why are you gassing them up like that?
Sorry about it, bro.
Just take a shower.
Everything can be all right.
Watch it.
Okay.
But point is, you got this situation where the past is obviously horrendous, but you recognize how horrendous it is and you try to remove yourself from that past.
Go.
The question is, did they try to remove themselves from the past?
I don't know enough about the organization, but it could be one of those things where they're like, apparently, according to the article, they banned black people and Jews.
Sorry, Dove.
But we don't know if when they let them in, if it was like, oh, we don't want to get sued for discrimination, so they're allowed in the middle of the business.
1979, I don't think so.
I mean, I think it's safe to say in 79, there was still a lot of racism that existed that we weren't like, oh, let's make this look.
There's country clubs right now that don't have Jews.
So that's not illegal.
They have it.
They're like, we accept everyone, but you have to submit an application.
And if you're black, then you can't get it.
Yeah, but this is 42 years after they did it.
Like 42 years later, we still have that shit.
If you told me in the 90s, they started letting in black people and they have like a couple, I get it.
In 1979, you'd have to be very forward-thinking to be like, oh, you know what?
This could be a PR hit down the road in the year 2000.
No, they're going to get sued if some Jewish person tried to get in in 79.
Okay, I can see a Jewish person suing.
I hear what you're saying.
I see what you're saying.
I hear what he's saying.
He's saying it's like, yo, we're going to remove the limitation, right?
Or the restriction, but that doesn't mean we're actually going to have them be part of it.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
So I'm just clarifying to him.
So I see.
We have to see if they've actually started practicing that.
Yes.
Again, we don't know enough about the club, but I think the greater conversation here is every industry that has existed for more than 75 years has probably been tied to some form of racism, bigotry, or sexism.
Don't support anyone in Hollywood because Hollywood had ties to racism.
They used to do blackface.
How could you, how dare you?
I mean, if you go to Disney World, you know what I mean?
Oh, my God.
You're supporting an anti-Semite, right?
It's not the happiest place on earth for everybody.
Yeah, exactly.
So anybody that takes part in any legacy brand is, I guess you could say, supporting hatred to a certain extent, right?
So I guess at a certain point in time, we just need to go, hey, they've stopped that.
They've tried to correct it.
And we just need to see if they've done the due diligence to stop and correct.
This situation might be one of those where they haven't.
They've done it on paper, but in practice, maybe they haven't.
They kind of want to keep it as like a whites-only club.
They're just saying we accept everybody, but I guess they just don't want to be part of it.
So that's the situation that we're in right now.
So is there any proof to show that they have started accepting other members besides just whites?
I don't know.
I'm looking it up to see if they have black members, but it's also so small and it's like kind of secretive.
So it's difficult to see.
Right.
Because they also do like a strange ritual thing, which I think is adding to people's paranoia.
Ooh.
Where it's like the veiled prophets.
So like you have to wear like, this makes it worse, according to the article.
You have to wear like a white gown and a white veil.
So that's like compounding it.
But again, it's like the KKK stuff is racist, but like that uniform was used by like different religious like sects and things in the past.
Yeah, if you go to like...
In Spain, it's really popular.
Exactly.
And that's where they adopted it from.
So it's like wearing a veil that's white isn't necessarily racist, but it is racist if you're in the KKK, blah, blah, blah.
Nuance.
Right, I also think it's putting a lot on her at whatever age she was, probably 17, 18.
That's the thing.
To be aware of this thing that is 20 years, like 20 years ago, they changed laws.
At 17, 18, I got to police it and be like, well, hold on.
Before I attend, have you guys really changed?
She was 19 years old.
She's a child.
She's from a rich, like the richest family in Missouri.
And that is from a lot.
Like, that's who's probably involved.
One thing I kind of enjoy about this is watching liberals be like, oh, this show that we love, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, this actress that is the star of this show.
Everybody you celebrate, white liberals, is a rich, white, privileged, incredibly privileged person.
Probably went to an Ivy League school.
She went to Princeton.
The writers of the office, as far as I know, went to Dartmouth and shit like that.
Like the people you celebrate are the most privileged, no experience of minorities people you've ever met in your life.
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And I'm pretty sure Missouri didn't even have cotton.
They were raised for no reason.
Which sucks.
That's a razor.
Why?
The most like, I think there's a couple states that didn't even have cotton.
I'm not saying cotton justified it, right?
But like, if you didn't even have a if you had just had slaves to like get you lemonade, son, that's crazy.
You're just mad lazy.
As lazy as hell.
Like, that, like, that is next level.
Having them drive the riverboat knowing full well black people can't swim.
What kind of shit?
That's dangerous.
That's dangerous, dog.
No life jackets back then.
Some we need to look into the states that didn't even have like farming shit, bro.
That's wild.
They didn't even have like crazy farming, and you still wanted slate.
Like, you fought for slaves.
You're like, yo, we need to go to war for our slaves so they can make the bed before we get in it.
That's unbelievable.
Yo, get amazed, bro.
What states ain't have cotton?
We need to go to war again.
I'm not saying, I'm saying it's fucked up.
If you did have cotton, it's super fucked up as well.
Don't get me wrong.
Fuck, but it's that much more fucked up if you didn't even have the cotton.
Son, slavery to just dust down the dining table, bro.
What the hell's wrong with these people in Missouri?
What's wrong with these people in Missouri?
Yo, come on.
That is wild.
That's quick.
And they're like, yo, we can't have no more slaves.
You got to start paying them.
And they're like, I'll risk my kids' lives so I don't ever have to light a candle before lunch.
And that fucking grip.
Yo, you think I'm going to set my own silverware?
Fuck the fuck do I look like?
Nah, bro.
There was no minimum wage.
You could pay them anything.
Yo, you could pay workers.
$200, bro.
Son, that is next level, bro.
And I know it seems like we're making an argument for the cotton states.
We're not.
We're not at all.
Because that's also wrong.
We're just showing it.
Like, if the cotton people are lazy because they don't want to be in the fields.
If they're zero out of 10 in terms of morality.
No, no, fuck morality.
It's all bad.
Yeah.
Let's just do it a lazy scale.
Yeah.
Right?
Because we got Alec right here.
Just save our caution's life.
Yeah, I saved his fucking life.
I said zero.
And I was going to say they're negative.
That's fair enough, but let's go lazy, right?
If you lazy as fuck for not wanting to pick your own goddamn cotton, right?
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
You lazy as hell.
But if you don't even want to clean off your horse and buggies, bro.
Lazy Workers and Minimum Wage00:04:04
Do you know what I'm saying?
Why do you need a clean horse and buggy?
You don't even need a clean horse and buggy, bro.
What?
You know that there were certain days where they were probably like a car walk.
You don't even got some shit for them to do.
It was probably days where, like, man, we ain't even getting our money's worth out of here, bro.
There's nothing for them to do.
Son, you know how you're doing.
I'm not forgetting how money's worth when you don't pay.
They had to buy them, bro.
They had to buy them from somebody.
Son, it's so easy when you're eating this crumbs.
You need to do that.
You need a slave to do that?
To wipe the crumbs off the table.
That's it?
Come on.
Hey, I'm done.
Missouri.
Is this a fact they didn't have cotton?
I don't think they had cotton.
I think they did have some cotton.
Thank God.
Thank the Lord.
They had cotton.
We're going to cancel this whole state.
Son, I was about to cancel this state.
I would cancel my St. Louis shows gladly, happily.
Yo, what else they got?
St. Louis?
Ready to cancel this whole segment of us.
How do you feel about that?
How do you feel about that?
I'm good.
I'm good.
This is like dubbed asking how you feel about Palestinians right now.
So you just, you're out of here.
Yeah, I'm letting y'all cook.
I'm just letting y'all cook.
Come on, yeah.
Now you do the cooking.
By the way, she did marry a Jew.
Who did?
Oh, just unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.
Yeah.
That's the other thing.
Like, during all the Black Lives Matter stuff, she's posting like black squares and like donating and like she's like active and using her platform and things.
However, so it's like, is she racist?
Do we really think she's like in a clan?
Oh, did she post a blue square?
I didn't see a blue square.
Also, they raised a kid Catholic, which is very rare.
It's like, you guys have enough.
Oh, and you're going to take away one potential new chew?
Yeah, but she's not, the kid won't be because she's not Jewish, right?
So the kid is not Jewish.
Not like that.
Not like that.
Raise the kid.
That is.
Raise a kid Hebrew.
Then the kid can find another Hebrew and we can kind of have that one.
What did he say?
You have to have a Jewish twat.
I'll post a blue square right now.
Post a blue square.
It's so funny when it's happening to somebody else, ain't it?
Jeez.
Did all you guys post blue squares?
I posted a black.
I posted a black school.
That shit was a scam, bro.
None of us posted no squares.
You're really acting like a Jewish twat right now.
You are a Jewish twat, dude.
You're a JT.
Nah, but dumped.
That blue square, that shit didn't pop.
That didn't pop.
Pop with us.
That's all.
We lost the PR war.
We lost the PR.
If you were a black slave, you got traded to like Missouri, right?
I think that's, yo, that's a kind of.
Is that joining the Warriors?
Yeah.
Is that what?
Is that like Join the Warriors went on to say that?
Seven seconds left.
Like, it's not better.
It's not undeniably better.
If there was no cotton, then I guess it was better.
I'm just saying.
I'm asking, bro.
I'm asking.
I'm just out here asking.
I'm trying to get to the bottom of this.
Mark said they had cotton.
Huh?
Yeah, yeah.
They had cotton.
Yeah, apparently.
They did?
What about Kentucky?
Let me look back.
So it's like the Lakers, but LeBron's health is a little shaky.
So it's like more what it's like.
We don't know if he's going to hold up.
I might have to actually do some work.
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