Shaman Omar Ahmadzai explains that ayahuasca combines the vine and chikruna leaf to bypass liver metabolism, allowing DMT to feed the third eye and reveal one's eternal purpose. He details strict three-day vegan preparations and chanting ceremonies designed to transmute trauma rather than offer superficial fixes like financial success. While distinguishing mushrooms as "little brothers" from ayahuasca as the "mother of all medicines," Omar warns against unguided use, noting legal religious exemptions in the US. He critiques rigid diets, sharing how eating lamb rejuvenated him after years of veganism, and outlines his plans to rebuild ancient mystery schools in Florida. Ultimately, the discussion positions the shaman as a balanced guide who uses vibration to awaken humanity from collective sleep, fostering organic gratitude over forced manifestation. [Automatically generated summary]
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DMT in Our Cerebral Fluid00:14:45
What's up everybody and welcome to another episode of Flagrant You.
We're here with my man Omar.
I don't know how to properly pronounce your last name.
Ahmadzai.
The American way is Ahmadzay.
Ahmadzei.
The traditional Afghan way is Ahmadzai.
Ahmadzai.
Ahmadzai.
I think that was good pronouncing.
You have to pronounce it.
Yeah, that's a really good one.
You should take that right to Kabul.
Yeah.
Because yeah, if you mispronounce it, if you say Omar Ahmadzai here, then it's like, oh, but if you mispronounce it, if you were to say it the American way over there, it wouldn't work.
Of course not.
Now, you were here for a very specific reason, and I have a feeling as this conversation goes, there'll be more reasons attached.
But I have a curiosity about ayahuasca.
I have this curiosity.
I'll tell you where it comes from.
I don't want to try it.
I'm actually terrified of it.
And I have, I think, a decent reason why, which I'll share with you, that you've probably heard a million other people say.
You've done thousands of these ceremonies.
You're an ayahuasca shaman.
And I want to learn about this plant medicine, this drug, whatever people call it.
The reason I'm curious is because after I speak to people who have used it, they talk about the crazy trip and the things that they see.
That doesn't interest me that much.
The transformative process that happens in their life afterwards is very similar to what happened to me after going to Burning Man.
And I don't really even do drugs, but just like the experience there, for whatever reason, kind of like filled me up in a way.
It was really exciting.
And like, I don't know, I'm actually depleted.
I want to go back.
I crave it.
A reservoir you didn't know you had inside of you until you experienced it.
Thus the awareness of it, then you realize what those levels are at like a gas tank.
100%.
So before we dig in, can you just explain to me what ayahuasca is?
Yeah.
Well, I can say for sure that the reasons you just described that you don't want to do it because you're petrified is like because you're smart.
You should be.
And that's the truth.
And then the reasons why you would want to experience because the aftermath of transformations, that's the only reason to drink it.
Right.
So we should just go now.
Just go now, do it.
Start at the end.
There's a preparation part, but what is ayahuasca like?
So the way, you mean like, so the way I look at ayahuasca is a leaf.
Yeah, so there's a physical plant.
Right.
So there's a like, what is Andrew?
Right.
So, well, Andrew's a human, right?
A male.
I hope we're not going to limit male, right?
Like mid-30s, right?
Okay, cool.
But then what is Andrew like inside, right?
Who is Andrew is like the personality?
So we look at plant medicines the same way.
What is ayahuasca?
Ayahuasca ultimately is a two-ingredient tea.
So it's a vine known as ayahuasca and then a leaf called chikruna cooked like a tea.
So it's a two-ingredient tea.
So the question is, is how come we drink this tea without regard and then we're scared of this tea?
Yes.
You know, ultimately it's tea.
So therefore it's a medicine.
Like shamanism, plants are medicine and chemicals are drugs.
So drugs can be used medicinally and plants can be used as drugs.
Tulum.
Right.
Burning man.
You know?
Yeah.
Shamans everywhere.
Yeah.
So, you know, people running around just like, oh, you want to try it?
You know, so that's the problem.
But if you use things ceremonially, medicines, you're going to have every single time the results that you described, like the transformation.
That's where the healing occurs.
You know, because ultimately, if you want to say, like, what is ayahuasca on the grants, the macro, if you look at, if you triangulate everything shamanically, we say mother earth.
Correct?
Mother Earth.
Yeah.
Right.
The earth, mother, because it brings life on the earth.
But to the earth, it's the child of earth, father, sun, mother, moon.
Everything is alchemically combined between masculine and feminine principles for it to exist.
So the earth is comprised of three kingdoms: the plant, mineral, and the animal kingdom.
The mineral kingdom is father nature, the deserts, the mountains.
The plant kingdom is mother nature, and then the children of earth, the animal kingdom.
And so, when we talk about the earth, the Amazon is the womb of the earth.
It's 5% of the earth landmass, but produces 20% of all the ocean, all of the air over all the land and all the ocean.
So, inside the womb of Mother Nature grows a vine called ayahuasca.
And so, ayahuasca is just the name for the spirit of mother nature in the language of Shapibo from the Amazon.
So, in Christian mysticism, they refer to Mother Nature's spirit as Gaia.
In Islam, they say Adriana.
The Greeks called it Sophia.
And so, in the Amazon, they call it ayahuasca.
The difference is you can meet her.
So, you can meet Mother Nature through ayahuasca.
It is the same thing.
Oh, when you use it, that is the expression.
That's Mother Nature.
Okay.
Mother Nature is going to take you and take your baby soul and swaddle you again like this and start at the beginning.
Okay.
Okay.
Now, I want to get into that.
Can you break down chemically what it is?
Sure.
What is the DMT?
Is it like acid?
Is it more extreme mushrooms?
Like, what is happening to me when I take this thing?
So, ayahuasca itself has no DMT.
DMT is added in a leaf called chakruna.
The thing about DMT is people say, oh, it's smoking DMT.
Smoking DMT is one thing, but DMT is naturally found in every single plant that's green on the earth.
Every single plant on the earth, your salad is all DMT.
Okay.
We have DMT in our cerebral spinal fluid.
Our third eye, our pineal gland secretes DMT as well as absorbs DMT.
So if you were to smoke DMT or drink ayahuasca, that's the first time that your third eye is going to be fed.
So it's like, you want to know how you're supposed to operate, feed the third eye, and you'll see your full capacity and capabilities as a human, right?
But DMT is not the point of ayahuasca.
That otherwise the medicine would be called chakruna.
It wouldn't be called ayahuasca.
Ayahuasca has no DMT.
DMT is added because as humans of our five sensorial three-dimensional reality, the perception that we rely on the most is the sense of sight.
How do you know?
Because you saw something, right?
And so DMT is added so that way mother ayahuasca has a 10D screen to teach you through.
Okay.
So you can learn.
In the jungle, they don't put much chakruna leaves.
There's not much DMT in their medicines.
It's because they're already naturally connected.
They live in the freaking Amazon.
They're like living under trees.
Here, we grow up in like New York, Miami.
We're like real.
So we need to make sure for the medicine to work here that large amounts of DMT is added into the medicine.
Oh, so this is interesting.
So they can access the same connectivity with Mother Nature through mainly just using the ayahuasca plant.
100%.
And it's almost like how Chinese food is changed over here in the West to like fit our palate.
Yes.
Like there's a general south version of ayahuasca that Westerners are using because we are so disconnected from Mother Nature that the chakruna has to create that connectivity visually for us because we don't want to trust that instinctual connection.
Just have so many different walls, uh, in both in like you know, the chakra system, which is basically like energy fields within the body, like the temple body.
We don't even believe in these things a lot of ways.
We have no idea.
We don't even know that we don't know.
That's the problem with our society.
Is we are operating on an unconscious, incompetent level, but yet we think we have all the answers.
Okay, so at your stage right now, and I do want to get back into this, but at your stage right now, could you take pure ayahuasca and access the same connectivity?
You mean just the ayahuasca vying from the water without any chakruna?
Yeah, 100%.
And is that something that you'll do for more experienced ayahuasca practitioners?
So, the thing is, people no, actually, you would that would be for, yes, if the more experienced you are, the more you have a familiarity with the presence and the energy and the spirit, and then your own soul in the dimension.
It would be like going into a specific type of pool with a specific type of wave, you know, like your familiar hot tub of the soul, as opposed to some random one at the one hotel.
You know, it ain't trashy, you know, going to a dirty bathtub.
You know, this is like a clean, nice, you know, private one.
But, yeah, the thing is, is that with ayahuasca is so the human body was created, whether you think we were created by God from the Garden of Eden or the Anunnaki, doesn't matter.
But at the end of the day, the human body was created with all of the tools and all of the system completely open.
But we were created with certain barriers.
See, the humans are the only animal that walks on this earth that cannot eat green leaves and digest and metabolize DMT.
So, that's why we don't live symbiotically on earth.
So, in ancient Egypt, they said that the key to the soul lies in the liver.
And so, ultimately, what ayahuasca does chemically and biologically within us is that when we drink the ayahuasca, the ayahuasca produces an MAOI.
And so, the MAOI stops monominoxide inhibitor.
It's basically when we eat DMT, our liver produces an enzyme that stops us from digesting the DMT naturally, right?
So, whoever our creator was stopped us.
I wanted life to be a little more boring.
Eat from the tree of life, never touch the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
And if you do, we're going to make sure that there's a barrier on top of that.
We're going to have two locks on the door in case you find one key, you know.
So, that's what we're dealing with ultimately.
And what would be the advantage of that for a species?
Control.
Wouldn't you want a slave race to stay asleep?
Why do we wear masks after you have the vaccine?
Yeah, I gotta show the masks that you probably.
Let's not get political.
Let's not get political.
I found them.
I didn't.
Someone gave them to me as a gift for you.
Yeah, at the door.
Box that said your name on it.
Yeah, it was a masked shaman.
It was Fauci.
Fauci's our mash shaman.
It's all magic.
That's the thing.
It's all a battle between good and evil, light and dark, and there's sheeps and wolves.
Right.
Okay.
That's the ultimate truth.
But so, so, in essence, when we drink the ayahuasca, chemically, the ayahuasca has an MAOI.
So it puts a layer and stops the liver from basically disintegrating the DMT, allowing for the DMT to metabolize, go in through the bloodstream, and then feed the third eye.
That's what we're dealing with here.
And so then, you know, system go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what?
Can you, can you break down like what starts to happen in that experience?
And I imagine it's different for every person, but like, or maybe speak on your first time taking it, because I've heard all these different things.
Like people, it almost feels as if, and please give me pushback if I'm wrong here, but like that it's a form of like dealing with childhood trauma.
A lot of people that I've heard take it or that have took it were kind of like went into it with a problem with their dad or they were, you know, maybe molested or something as a kid.
Like maybe they had like, maybe they aborted a child that they felt awful about abortion.
And then like they said that they were processing these things and working through these relationships in the trip and the trip did not seem fun at all.
Yeah.
So this idea for like the casual drug user is like, yeah, I'm going to do acid one day.
I'm going to do mushrooms one day.
I'm going to do ayahuasca.
Yeah.
I don't know if I would place it in that same realm.
No.
No.
Ayahuasca is in its own dimension of everything.
And everything you mentioned, those are good reasons to drink ayahuasca or then, you know, like dealer, they have childhood trauma, then they turn to drugs and alcohol as a way to fix that.
So they have compounding things and there's a source issue.
But regardless of anything, ultimately the mind-blowing part of it is, is that you think you're going to drink ayahuasca for ABC.
And then but there's a, you know, words have a lot of meaning, right?
So there's like, you know, I'm coming here for this, but there's like beneath the surface, you know?
Like if we are, if one thing that all religions and spiritualities teach us is that the soul is eternal, right?
So they say that at one point we were created by something and we've existed and will continue to exist forever.
That's why people are afraid of heaven and hell because they know they're going to continue to exist.
How, you know, the churches will tell you, you know, for a fee, everyone's got an answer for you.
Everyone's got an answer for you, right?
Everyone will tell you what's going to happen to you next, but yet everyone's living in fear, right?
So the thing is, is that that's why it's called getting to the root of the problem.
Okay.
So it's like there's the beginning of everything, right?
And so ayahuasca has this way of, sure, dealing with childhood traumas, all these things, getting to the source of things, but going deeper than, you know, into like the highest depths, like places that within yourself that you know to be real because you know inside they're real.
Like you probably experienced in your Burning Man journey you just described, right?
Going to like senses of knowingness that you may not be able to even verbally describe, but they are experiences that change you and create a wider platform on the, on the, on, you know, this being that you call Andrew to have an experience from, right?
Is it possible that some people can't handle that?
No.
Well, it's possible, of course, but that's why you have a shaman.
Otherwise, you should just go get ayahuasca and drink it in your condo.
So what will you do with somebody while they're accessing those deeper levels of their personal being or emotional being?
What are you doing in that process as the shaman?
So it's a ceremony.
The Shaman's Guided Journey00:09:36
Like the ceremony is, you know.
Yeah, maybe break down the ceremony.
Ceremony.
But at the end of the day, like you hear these people talk about how it was they had this rough experience, but they're telling you with a smile.
It makes no sense, right?
They're like, and I threw up and it felt and you're like, what?
This sounds horrible.
And they're like smiling, right?
But that's the thing.
Like if you were like training to be like a professional bodybuilder, like you're not going to, you're going to be talking about the pain of the workout, but the result is the key.
You know, who likes to train?
And in kickboxing, no one likes to have bleeding shins every day.
But when you don't get your ass kicked in front of an audience, that's the best part.
Yeah.
You know, so that's kind of how that works.
But yeah, people talk about it in reverence.
But the ayahuasca ceremony is, it's a ceremony.
You come, you prepare yourself for multiple days, at least three days, vegan, no alcohol.
Like the first time that I went three days in my life without eating meat in my entire life was the three days before my first ayahuasca ceremony.
Wow.
Because my father's like, oh, mom, if you are a real man, you have to eat meat.
You eat meat.
Like, this is what I was raised on, you know?
And why do you have to limit the diet?
Why do you need strict vegan diet?
Well, it's not even about just vegan.
It's just about not having any animals, alcohol, especially alcohol, drugs, cheeses, any, because if you want to come into the ayahuasca ceremony, you want to come with all your good, all your bad.
All your purity.
You don't want to come with like the energy of the cow on the hormones, producing the artificial pregnancy milk that you put into your egg sandwich and then the turkey bacon, the death of the turkey, and then roll into the ayahuasca ceremony.
Right.
That's a lot of emotional trauma.
Right?
Yeah, yeah.
I've had people like eat chicken, go into the ayahuasca ceremony and experience like the death of a chicken for like an hour and then they never touch chicken the rest of their life.
I've had people, I've had people, I'm telling you, Angela.
Okay, I've had people that ate meat.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
And they think they got it all figured out, right?
Yeah, yeah.
It's just like with a girlfriend, like, you know, you like dinner and massages, and then all of a sudden, like, after a while, you start thinking you're comfortable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
And that's what people do with ayahuasca.
Like, we're talking about ayahuasca.
We're saying like mother ayahuasca, like the goddess.
Yeah.
You don't just, you know, you better get comfortable.
You better keep getting a segment of flowers.
Right?
So like you keep like bow your head in reverence.
You know, so, or, you know, either you give the respect or she's going to take it.
It's real simple.
Like there's no, it's like a dragon.
Like we're going to ride a dragon.
Yeah.
I would be like Khaleesi.
Like the dragon is familiar with me, but it's still a dragon.
Yeah, yeah.
She's allowing you to ride the dragon.
That's it.
You're not controlling this dragon.
That's the key.
You are, you may know her favorite songs.
You may know her favorite, what she likes to dance to the most, right?
But you're not in control of the situation.
You are a maestro, a conductor.
As the shaman or as the person taking it?
No, the shaman.
The person taking it is just laying down.
You're just on for the ride.
Well, you basically prepare yourself for at least three days with, you know, we have an intake process, so it's like my organization, but basically speaking in broad strokes, three days minimum, no alcohol, no animal products, no drugs.
You come into the ceremony, you don't eat like four hours before, you dress like you're going to a spiritual sleepover, sleeping bag, et cetera, right?
And you lay down, drink the medicine, just lay down.
That's it.
You can do nothing.
You sit up, you lay down.
Nice.
Then the ayahuasquero, an ayahuasquero is an ayahuasca shaman.
The ayahuasquero, you know, there's songs like I sing in like five of the native languages from the Amazon.
So it's just basically like four, five, six hours of the most dynamic shamanic concert experience imaginable because every little sound like is creating, you know, every note with the flute, you know, there's seven chakras, there's seven notes in major seven major notes in music and seven colors.
And so everything is triangulated into this like, you know, five-dimensional situation.
So are you painting this journey or are you awakening mother nature?
Okay.
Both.
And it's painting itself and you're guiding it.
It would be like the lightning is energy, but then you can move the energy and light up a whole neighborhood.
Okay.
You know?
Tesla style.
You know?
Okay.
So there's lots of ways.
Plus it's creating itself.
But ultimately, like it's good that you have the fear and the reservation.
But quick, quick, quick.
So you're creating, you're painting this picture, you're creating their journey with them as the medicine is starting to take place.
People will start to get high, for lack of a better word.
What word do you use for that?
Go deep.
People will start to go deep at different times, I imagine.
Somewhat.
Is it not based on digestive speed?
No.
No.
Fuck.
No, that's how you know you're dealing with.
But I thought it has to hit the liver.
No.
Okay, so all at the same time.
All the logic out the door.
Okay, so all at the same time, people are starting to have these experiences.
Pretty close to about the same time.
Are they considering one another?
You're in a trance.
For the most part, you're...
No, no, not necessarily trance.
Not necessarily trance.
That's the thing like...
You're on your own journey.
You're on your own.
Yes.
Okay, so you're.
Journey, because it's not a trip.
That's the thing like you trip.
Like, someone's like, oh, that was the most amazing trip.
I'm like, no, you were tripping when you walked in the door.
That's why you came here.
You know what I mean?
Like, you trip when you're off balance.
Yeah.
You trip when you're trying to stumble upon the truth.
Yeah, yeah.
You stumbled in here tripping.
This is a journey, you know?
A journey is something that's planned out for purpose.
Okay.
How much can you take into that journey and decide where you go?
You are, for the most, see, I don't want to, for the most part, people would describe overall that their experience is very interactive with Mother Ayahuasca.
Like as if she's not referred to as the Agualika.
You're going to end up making me do this shit, bro.
We already knew that.
You wanted that.
But you wanted that.
You wanted that.
Okay, go on.
So your experience is personalized in a way with Mother Ayahuasca.
In every imaginable way possible.
Because you're basically talking about the mother.
We say Mother Earth, right?
So then there's the Earth component, but the Earth is in essence a star with life on it.
That's why it's a planet.
And that's connected to the universe.
So imagine like everything through the divine feminine is connected through a cosmic umbilical cord, just like you are connected to your mother through the umbilical cord in her stomach.
But now we're in the womb of the mother earth, but then we're in the womb of the cosmic mother at the same time.
And you are interacting and engaging on every level, not as, hi, my name is John.
I'm 25 years old.
No, as an eternal being.
And so by default, you, when you come, you know, then you're deep.
At some point, you come back and you just have that whole experience that will begin to unravel itself.
Because if you take someone so deep and they realize how deep they are while they're there, they're going to scream.
The magic is in when they come back, they realize how deep they were and then they unpack that for weeks.
Does life become boring when you come back out?
That's my first question.
I have a follow-up to that.
No.
No, of course not.
Do you resent certain things that exist in this reality that we're talking in right now that you now know to be fake or fraudulent since you've existed within the connectivity of mother nature and the cosmic universe, et cetera?
Assuming that that is 100% real and assuming you really felt that.
Now you go back into this world where you see people doing things.
You're just like, oh, you're a fucking sheep.
How do you deal with that resentment or like maybe anger?
Yeah, that depends on who you are.
Like, what is your purpose here?
Like, people have goals, right?
But if you say, like, someone has goals, one year, one month, five-year, 10-year goals, financial goals, acquisition of material possession goals.
But if you ask someone what their purpose is, do you know your purpose?
I know my purpose and I know my goals.
So it's like when you have the goals that are beyond crystal clear, right?
And then purpose, you're not really paying so much attention to anything else.
And that's really when you, all your energy, you know, because every thought we have is like creating a web, right?
Creating like a thought entity, which is like the thoughts.
And then that rains back down on you.
That's karma means action.
So everything you draw your attention to, you're opening a portal for that to exist and like rain back into your field, you know?
And so when you narrow, when you zoom that back in like a true sorcerer, a whole lot less bullshit is coming.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But depending on your purpose, like if you're like someone like me, yes, it's very difficult to watch people, you know, walk into the fire.
Yeah, I could sense that you get frustrated with them.
Manifesting Through Thought Karma00:15:47
Not with them.
The system.
Like I can see.
It's not their fault because they're blindly walking around.
But yet at the same time, it is.
It's a tricky thing.
That's why I stay in my house.
Fair enough.
So you're, so you're, that frustration exists.
Now, now, after I went to Burning Men the first time, I, and I had this experience with a little help from Molly.
I experienced what happened when my, um, I was emotionally filled and I had extra.
So like I'm a stand-up comic, right?
I make people laugh.
And that probably stems from the fact that like there's a little void in me and I'm trying to fill that void, right?
So I'm like, oh, let me spread some joy.
And they're laughing and now I feel good as well, right?
Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe something else.
But I experienced what it was like to have that void filled and then extra.
And what I did with that extra was really cool because I just wanted to give it to people.
I wanted to call my friends and tell them I loved them.
I want to call my parents and tell them how grateful I was with them.
I really wanted to like share love.
Right.
And I came out of that experience and for however many months afterwards, maybe I'd be in a conversation with someone.
And instead of seeing what I could get out of that conversation, I was paying attention to what they might have needed.
And I'll be honest with you, that's been really depleted in me.
But it was so nice to sit down with someone and then go, oh, they really want me to listen to them and then give them that gift instead of going, what can I take from you from 100%?
Now, I know it sounds silly to do.
Magnify them by 10,000.
That's what I'm wondering if this is.
Magnify by 10,000, deeper, wider.
But do you see why I had that curiosity about?
Of course, because you're a good person.
But it seems that the people that have tried this drug are experiencing somewhat similar things.
Most people go into ayahuasca completely for selfish reasons.
I need purpose and I'm a fucking Western American and I want you to make my purpose happen now.
Listen, can I tell you something funny real quick?
So one time I serve medicine like 14 countries.
Yeah.
Right.
And so I was talking to this, you know, like a private client.
I never served him before.
And he was Russian.
He's like, he's like, hello, shaman.
I want to know if mother ayahuasca will tell me if my business partner is fucking my wife.
And I said, that's why you want to fly me to this country and serve the medicine.
And he's like, this is a good reason.
And I said, why don't you just hire a private investigator?
Yeah.
This is not the reason to drink the ayahuasca.
You're going to find out why you don't trust people.
You're going to find, like, maybe find out why you're rolling around with business partners that you have to worry about.
Yeah.
You know, and the key is.
That's what you're saying, the deeper level is.
Yes.
Even on something that's so superficial.
Yeah.
You know, because what kind of business is he in?
Like, you know, he's not doing non-profit.
Yeah.
He's not doing nonprofits.
But that's the thing, though.
Like, people are drawn to it.
Like, I serve medicine to, like, I'll have a ceremony in a location with like 10.
It's not tax-free, but not non-profit.
You know, tax-free.
And these guys are, you know, I attract them, I guess.
But they feel safe.
The thing is, you'll serve medicine to like 10 PTSD people in New York.
And then you'll fly here and serve medicine in like a $100 million freaking mansion in Monaco.
And the next week you're serving medicine to a bunch of yogi hippies in London.
And then you're serving medicine to oligarchs and freaking politicians in foreign, not in America, foreign countries.
And then like everyone imaginable, because ultimately everyone's looking for the same thing, man.
Everyone wants to know if it's going to be okay.
You know what I mean?
Like peace.
You know?
Yeah.
Like peace, single thought.
Like we're like, oh, I just need to be able to focus.
Do you need to be able to focus?
Or are you just thinking about too much bullshit and feeding too much?
Like thoughts happen.
Filtered out.
Thoughts happen.
Like I can't control my, look, I have literally, I have over 1200 ayahuasca ceremonies, right?
I can tell you a few things for sure.
Number one, I cannot control my thoughts.
Yes.
Okay.
Cannot control my thoughts.
But at the same time, at least we know that ayahuasca doesn't make you, you can't fry yourself.
Because if you could fry your, like, I serve an average of 150 ceremonies a year.
Yeah.
Okay.
For like nine years straight.
Okay.
So if ayahuasca could fry your brain or do something really bad to you, bro, I would be riddled with this problem.
Yeah.
Oh, do you use every time?
Of course.
That's a shaman.
Yeah.
A shaman.
You never trust a shaman of any kind that doesn't work with the medicine that they serve in front of you in the ceremony.
Why would you ever have a fat yoga teacher?
You know what I mean?
A cook that doesn't.
The Buddha was fat, right?
Because he bought his own shit.
That's the problem.
The yoga teacher who becomes the yogi guru buys his own shit and stops doing yoga, which got him there.
And the problem is that doesn't work with ayahuasca.
As soon as you stop, if I have certain abilities that have been unlocked within myself that we all have within us, that's the best part about this.
Because someone says, wow, that's amazing.
You can do it too here.
You want to find out?
Drink this.
You want to find out your, you know, drink this.
The problem is, is that with something like yoga or, you know, meditation teachers, they just buy their own shit real fast, Osho style.
You know, like, you know, he had no, he had nothing, you know, he was the man.
So like now at this point, like everyone thinks you're the living God.
But the people that gravitated towards Osho are probably similar in some regards to the people that gravitate towards ayahuasca and gravitate towards any other spiritual healing that will give them purpose because these are often very wealthy people.
Just because you make money doesn't mean that you're going to be happy.
And I think a lot of those people who make millions are actually more unhappy because they thought the money was going to be happiness.
Yeah, of course.
And imagine getting there.
Like when you're poor, you at least have the carrot in front of you going, well, one day when I'm rich, I'll be happy.
Exactly.
But when you're rich and it still isn't there, that's cryptic.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Fuck.
Oh, you can meet people who, yeah, you meet people who have, who have, you know, like, look, they're like 12 billion, right?
But it's double that.
Double that, right?
So like, what are you going to do with all that?
The answer is, well, I have everything already, right?
So then, so why are we here now talking?
Just like this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You are searching for something that you know you don't have and you can't buy.
Yeah.
That's peace, right?
Peace.
Like, you know, the conversation, like someone says, hey, Andrew, you want to go out and drink tonight?
And your intuition goes, no, right?
But you speak, yeah, not tonight.
I'm really not that interested.
Weakness, right?
And then they say, oh, come, come, come, right?
You get off the phone, right?
If you're lucky, you walk around.
Another in 10 minutes, you've given yourself five reasons of not only why you should go, but why you deserve it, right?
You go out and get fucked up.
And then the next day you regret it.
Why didn't I just not go?
Like I knew I shouldn't have.
That's the sixth sense.
That's that higher intuition, right?
And the ping-pongy thoughts that people have, I don't have those thoughts.
I haven't had a conversational, like, should I, should I not in my head in over seven years.
And just from that alone, that's priceless.
Just that alone.
Wait, why is that?
Why?
Because I have only singular, like, yes, no.
It's like you're, not without getting too like fufu, but like, you know, the chakras are seven chakras.
Like six of them are in your body.
The sixth one is the third eye.
Between the temples lies the key.
The key is the third eye, the pineal gland, the sixth chakra, right?
The seven chakra is here.
And that's your higher self, right?
And that symbolizes your higher self always raining down on you.
In modern Christianity, they say you're a guardian angel, but one day you would find out that you are your guardian angel.
That's your intuition, right?
And so the intuition, when it turns on, when you activate that, whether through ayahuasca, a near-depth experience, something that turns it on.
And I don't mean when you get a glimpse of its existence.
I'm saying when it's on, like the switch there, right?
When that's on, right?
The thought process of the ego and the doubt and the fear and the delusions and the illusions, that voice, the volume goes down by default by the intuition voice turning up.
There's only 100 decibels.
So you're saying that you've keyed in through this, your experience with the medicine, you've keyed into your intuition in a way where you trust that instinct, whereas a lot of people are unsure about their intuition.
Yes.
And you will deal with the repercussions of your intuition, meaning you make a decision based on intuition.
Sometimes that decision may be wrong.
There's no way you can be right 100% of the time.
No.
But you accept that that is the path that you want to lead in life.
Yeah.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, for sure.
Like you could go, no, I don't want to go out to eat tonight.
And then an hour or two later, you could be like, you know, maybe it would have been nice to be around those people.
But you just accept that that was the path and you trust your intuition.
Yeah, that through, yes, absolutely.
Through the process of the inner knowingness.
Because it's impossible to be right every single time in life.
That's not what you're saying.
True, right, right.
True.
But there's a difference between go, there's a difference between, you know, just shooting out random goals and trying to push through the door and then having like a long-term strategy, like a long-term plan, but that's like been revealed to you.
It's one thing if I think like, okay, I'm going to be a millionaire.
Okay.
How much is that per month?
Okay.
It's $83,333 per month.
Okay.
How much is that per week?
Okay.
And that's for eight hours a day.
What if I work 16 hours?
That's the way I backed into me becoming a millionaire when I decided I'm going to be a fucking millionaire at 29.
And that's how I logically did it, right?
But then the funny part about like making a million dollars is as soon as you spend $1, you don't have this, you don't have a million anymore, right?
And so that's the work.
It's the game, right?
But the difference is, is that when you're, when you're awake inside and you know yourself to like inside out, there's a, you know, people always talk about manifesting, right?
Manifesting happens in the thought planes.
When you sit down and you think, how am I going to get this special on Netflix?
Now you're manifesting this in there.
And when you open your eyes, you materialize the manifestation.
There's a, there's a, we had a guy on here named Jim Quick.
Great episode.
He's like a brain efficiency guy.
Yeah, I watched it.
Yeah.
So Jim was, I don't know if he spoke about it on the episode, but he spoke about how the guy broke the four-minute mile.
And he literally manifested it.
Yeah.
And nobody had manifested it before him.
Yeah.
And once he broke it.
Everybody.
Everybody broke it because it was possible.
Yeah.
So I think the world record for holding your breath.
Same thing.
Yeah.
As soon as someone did 20 minutes, they're like, oh, I guess we did it in a week.
Yeah.
It is amazing.
Tony Hawk, when he did the, was it 900 miles?
900.
Or 720?
900.
I can't count.
It doesn't matter.
So he does the 900 and then everybody does it.
So there is something interesting about the power of Tony Hawk did a 900?
900 back in the day, bro.
It was a 720.
He's a legend, dude.
Wow.
But the power of manifesting something and believing something and seeing something.
Mow.
To take that into the ayahuasca.
But the trick is to materialize it.
Yes.
So my curiosity is, is there a time within the experience doing ayahuasca?
How did you refer to it?
Because you didn't say the trip, the journey.
The journey of ayahuasca, where you start manifesting these things that can be.
And is that for the first time in a lot of people's lives where they see something and believe that it can be real?
Like, do people's own insecurities often limit their happiness because they don't even visualize what life could be?
Absolutely.
100%.
100%.
That's like a very good ayahuasca clip, like a world-class ayahuasca clip.
Everyone who's about to drink ayahuasca needs to see that.
That was a good one.
That's the problem because you think about things and you're thinking like a, you're thinking like, like freaking The Simpsons.
Like I'm manifesting, but it's like Atari.
You know, and then ayahuasca.
You're manifesting in 2D.
Yeah, now you're doing it.
Then ayahuasca goes, and you're in it.
So it's not like, oh, I believe.
No, no, no.
You experienced.
You experienced.
That's the next level past thinking about it.
Yeah, there's no thought.
It was as real as this is real.
Let me give you an example.
My first ayahuasca.
So here's what happened, right?
I'm like, you know, I'm a business consultant.
I'm living in Miami.
I'm young.
I'm young now, but I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I've got it all figured out.
I'm celebrating myself every day.
Yeah.
You know, everything I'm touching turns to gold, it appears, you know, and making all this money for all these like, you know, hedge fund guys.
And I'm getting like little bits thinking I'm the shit.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, like a little baby.
And things go south, right?
Not under my control.
Just the system just like crumbled.
I didn't know what to do.
My expenses were crazy.
Like I had, you know, I was spending like way too much per month.
Like I had like every, I didn't know what to do, right?
So I found ayahuasca when I was making a big decision, like what to do next with my life.
You know, I'm going to stay here and try something out.
You know, when you're like 32 years old and you need, and you need to like basically clear like $550,000 a year just to like pay for the bills, you know, like yeah, with no college degree, like you can't just like go on career built career finder, you know?
Like, so I like one opportunity to move to like Saudi Arabia and do, you know, that I was like, I'm going to trade.
I knew I'm trading the hamster wheel for the golden wheel.
But it's still a wheel.
Yeah, but I don't want to play the game.
I'm not a rat.
Yeah.
I'm not a lab mouse.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, I was never in my life, I was never asleep.
Like I studied like mysticism, religion in fifth grade.
I've read 10 books in my life.
Religion to mysticism to ancient history.
My whole life, the only thing I could ever study and read, only thing I ever cared about was like the history of the world, spiritual paths, religion, psychology, philosophy.
That's all I ever cared about.
Right.
Just because I personally cared about it, right?
Why do you think that was?
Well, ayahuasca showed me.
That's the best part.
Okay.
So yeah, I just thought it was just what I like.
Like some people like to paint.
Some people like this, right?
I was always in business and communication, like the process of, you know, the art of decision making, you know, like this.
So I applied this into my, into business.
And so when I drank ayahuasca, ayahuasca goes, oh, so you think you've just been studying religion and all the history of the world for no reason.
I was like, you know what?
And ayahuasca showed me two visions, like as in like a blink blink, blink of an eye, right?
Like, right?
One was I was going in front of a very large audience, like in like a, like an arena, a stadium, because of some book I wrote, right?
I'm holding this book and I'm walking out because of this book.
The second vision was I'm standing over, I'm like dressed like I in like a ceremonial outfit that I pretty much wear now.
And I'm in the, I'm in the jungle in some like temple shaking leafs on people when they're laying down on top of a mountain overlooking an ocean, like in the jungle.
I had no idea what the hell that is because I drank, I was in Miami.
I was in a, in a high-rise condominium in the continuum.
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I never even, I never.
That was your spiritual awakening.
That's the truth.
It's the truth, yeah.
Because I know.
I don't saved your ass.
Mother Days was like, let me pluck this motherfucker out of here.
Let me, I'm plugging it from the major.
But the truth, though, I never was plugged in, though.
That's the thing.
I was never, I never had like an initial awakening.
I was never really asleep.
Like, that's the thing.
I never bought, I saw systems, controls, like religions and stuff.
Yeah.
But I never, I never subscribed.
I never gave my power away.
Okay.
But I learned it all.
I never understood why I learned it all.
I thought it was just because I like people and I want to understand, you know, things.
And I still am that way.
But ayahuasca showed me his two visions.
Now, this made no sense to me.
People were like, oh, how was your son?
I'm like, yeah, I don't really know.
Like, makes no sense, right?
So this is really cool.
You came out of it without this immediate knowing your purpose and immediate change in your life.
Like it took a little bit because I think a lot of people think they're going to take it.
And the second they walk out, they're like, I know what my dream job is.
And then I go do it.
That happens.
That's very, that's actually, that's the.
Okay.
Yeah.
Don't take the I just want to set expectations.
That can happen.
It's not a guarantee.
Gotcha.
Maybe you throw up, maybe you don't.
50-50.
Gotcha.
Anything that someone sells is 50% maybe, 50%, maybe not.
Okay, okay.
So you, you have these two visions.
You walk out of your, and real quick, when you say ayahuasca showed me, I'm maybe being juvenile about this, but it's not like there's a woman with walking with you hand in hand and taking you through this experience, right?
No, these are two flashing images you see and then maybe some other stuff and then you're out of there.
Yeah, like we're talking about like, so it's like communication without words, but with words at the same time.
But as someone's talking, it's like, are you, do you have like a girlfriend, someone you're in love with?
Fiancé.
Okay.
So when you're like in love with someone and you're having sex, right?
And you're having a communication that's deeper than imaginable, right?
Yeah.
Even if you're not talking in just the breath, right?
That, that times a million inside your soul.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there's communication.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
There's understandings that don't necessarily need.
Although at the same time, she does speak.
She may materialize herself in a vision and a personification that is exactly what you need.
Like they say that ayahuasca has a perfect prescription for each person, regardless.
You speak your language.
Yeah.
You're going to get exactly what you need.
She's the maestra curandera, the master healer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Like, you know, she's got the perfect prescription for you.
In this case, it made no sense.
People are like, ayahuasca could have showed me a vision of being the president of the United States.
That would have made more sense than any of this shit.
First of all, I don't, how am I going to write a book?
I don't read books.
Like, you know, I'm like dyslexic.
Like, I can't even read.
How am I going to write something?
And then this shaking leaves situation in the jungle made no sense because I've never been to the jungle.
But then I would go home and I would like lay down.
You know, at night, you have those moments like where you wake up in the morning, you look at yourself in the eye.
Doesn't matter if you're a billionaire or homeless.
Like that's that real moment, you know, laying down and I would just be breathing and I would breathe and I would revisit the vision again.
And after a few nights of it just, bow, right back to me, I realized something.
I realized that it doesn't matter what it, what the vision is.
It could have been mechanic, shaman, it could have been helping kids, whatever that is, the feeling inside of satisfaction, of contentment, of, you know what I mean? Emotional reward.
Yeah, that was more important than any of the other bullshit that I could create in this world.
It wasn't the job.
It was the feeling associated with it.
100%.
And that was your purpose.
And that's how you knew it was your purpose because the feeling was right.
And only you know.
That's what I mean.
Like that moment before you die when you're laying in your, when you're laying in your bed, hopefully at home in your castle and all and your kids and everyone that you love is in front of you and you say thank thank you for this journey, you know, and you gracefully bow out that last breath.
You know, that's what you want when you go.
But imagine having that breath every fucking day, every second.
Yeah, there is a, there's, there's a, if you look at, you know, some successful people or whatever, they say a lot of like billionaires, whatever, do this.
They, they start their day with gratitude, but in a weird way, they're trying to like trick themselves into this experience, right?
Like they're going, what am I grateful for?
Because they're not waking up feeling grateful.
Yeah.
So they're going, how can I manipulate myself into realizing all I have to be grateful for?
Absolutely.
You're saying that is if you live through the thing you're supposed to do, that will organically happen.
Absolutely.
And when you're on your right path.
Interesting.
If you close your eyes, right?
And you say and you take.
Gratitude is medication.
Yeah.
That's what they're doing instead of.
Okay.
Yeah, but we make it too linear.
Like, if you close your eyes and you inhale through the nose and you just let go of your frustration, ah, right?
But then you close your eyes and you inhale and exhale gratitude.
Peace inside of you is the result of just attaching the idea of gratitude.
We have to, I'm grateful for my wife.
I'm grateful that I don't have, I'm grateful for my new iPhone 12.
Thank you.
Thank you, Apple.
Fuck you.
You know what I mean?
You're like a children.
It's like children.
Like you have these adults and these like very powerful people, but the children, like I make my gratitude list every single day.
And I'm like, that's nice.
What else do you do with your crayons?
You don't need to associate exist within your gratitude.
That's what I'm saying.
The word spirit comes from the Greek word spiritus, which means to breathe.
So like people say meditation, like they say, Omar, do you meditate?
No, I don't meditate.
You go, why don't you meditate?
They're like, I'm surprised with all their judgment sprinkling trying to pass my force field, right?
The thing is, it's not going to work.
So I'm going to get a little bit.
The thing is, is that meditation is a practice, but why do you practice something?
Why do you practice a jab?
So then you operate at an unconscious competent level, the muscle memory plus the physical, right?
And that's the whole point.
The point of meditative practice is to stay in a meditative state.
A cobra doesn't need to practice vibrating.
It fucking vibrates.
Vibrates.
You know what I mean?
A tiger doesn't wake up and do and have like, I mean, 20 push-ups.
You know what I mean?
The lion's like, fuck, I gotta, you know, I gotta prepare myself so everyone knows I'm a lion when I step out this cave every day.
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't need to like, you know, do anything to be.
Within that meditative state.
That's the point.
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That's where we need to go.
Okay.
So keep taking us on this journey because this is what's fascinating.
So you go and you have these visions and then they keep popping back up in your life, these two images.
Pretty much when I would be laying down, I had this like breath meditation.
Like I would lay down in my bed and I would breathe through each chakra before ayahuasca, before ayahuasca, you know?
And when I would do that, then it was, as soon as it would get like to the heart, bow, I would shoot back in those visions.
But when an ayahuasca vision, as I described, was just the blink of an eye, blink of an eye, right?
But when you go inside of it, it's now.
And how Wong is now?
Now is eternity.
There's nothing other than the now.
You know?
And so when you're in that now, then I could feel like not only like my own power, my clarity, my purpose, my satisfaction, fulfillment, and all those other amazing things.
And then I made a declaration.
I was like, this makes absolutely no sense, but I'm going to go deeper down this rabbit hole and see, see what the hell this means, you know?
So, and that's, that's, that's kind of how, you know, I went down that path.
Now, I usually don't tell these things because I don't want to inspire all these people to like, oh, I'm going to drink ayahuasca and convince myself that I'm supposed to be a, you know.
Because it might not happen for you.
Yeah, but people will tell themselves they're supposed to everything.
Like, you get these musicians, they've been playing music their whole life.
The big dream didn't happen.
They come to an ayahuasca ceremony.
They go, wow, it's only music.
And then they become a shaman in like four days.
They, I don't want to inspire that.
Yes.
Yeah.
That's, that's job insecurity.
You're going to have people coming for you.
No, but you're right.
They are tricking themselves into thinking they're supposed to be a shaman when in reality it's just something that is more enjoyable than their musical retreat.
Yeah, they want validation.
They want to feel good.
Like, I get it.
I understand.
Like, I understand all that stuff.
But at the same time, like.
When you said you went down that journey more, you're saying that you did more ayahuasca.
Yeah, I went into another ceremony and then it was like even more.
And then like my journey, you know, it just look, put it this way.
Became more clear.
Brother, I drank ayahuasca one time almost a decade ago.
Yeah.
And I'm still on that path.
From that same trip or journey.
I'm on whole different levels of visions now.
Everything that I was talking about has already, that's already happened.
I was in the jungle for two and a half years.
Yeah, take me to the jungle experience.
We go.
No, no, no.
Like, I mean, like, when do you go?
I'm leaving civilization or Western civilization and I'm going to the fucking jungle for two and a half years.
Yeah, man.
I was in an ayahuasca ceremony and ayahuasca like showed me.
I said, how does this make any sense?
And then she was, and then the consciousness of ayahuasca goes, do you trust?
And I'm like, that's a big question because the answer is no, we don't trust anything.
That's the problem.
We don't even trust ourselves.
You know, it's like people get into these arguments with their like, you know, wife, girlfriend, boyfriend.
You say, like, how are you mad?
How can you get mad at someone who doesn't even know who they are?
You're judging someone who you know, you're complaining that they don't know who themselves.
They're too inconsistent, you know, indecisive.
But then you're judging someone who you're saying doesn't know themselves.
And that's the problem.
Like, how are we supposed to know what we're supposed to do when we don't really know ourselves?
You know what I mean?
On the depths.
That's how people go to war and they know each other better.
Two people can train in like Muay Thai or Jiu-Jitsu and they know, you know that person real well, better than your other friends.
You see this with you fight someone one time, you know each other well.
Fighters, you see it with presidents, like presidents who have like battled each other, said horrible things about each other.
All of a sudden afterwards, I guess they share the battle scars of going through that.
And the only other person that they can relate to is the other guy who did the same thing.
They have to serpent across the real talk.
You know what I mean?
Like, who else are you going to talk about?
Who else are you going to sit down and be like, man, it was tough blowing up all those people?
Like, you can't have that regular dinner conversation.
Scorpians don't hang out with each other, but they recognize the pain of the scorpion across the hall.
Like the scorpion and the frog.
You know the story?
No, no, no, no.
So frogs hopping along.
It starts to rain.
Oh, he lets the go on his back.
He bites him and says, You gave me your word that you weren't going to kill me.
He says, what do you expect?
I'm a scorpion.
Like, what do you expect from a politician?
Yeah.
You know, the lawyers that you didn't hire.
A lawyer only works for the person they hired.
Yeah.
And then when they get in the position, now only big corporations hire them.
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Yeah.
Why do you think, you know?
Yeah.
I don't know.
Anyway, that's all.
You have your frustrations with civilization.
I'm just on team humanity.
Yeah, yeah, I hear you.
I'm on team humanity.
Like, you know, people, souls, like collective goals.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, everything is just like one step away.
It's like you walk around and you see everyone's like stuck in a maze.
Yeah.
It's like, but they don't realize that it's like, what's the difference between a maze and a labyrinth?
Yeah.
I don't know.
Well, a maze.
A maze is a multi-cursoral puzzle that everything changes at all times, like, right?
Except for the way in and the way out.
It's always changing.
A labyrinth is a multi-cursoral puzzle that everything changes except the way in and the way out always remains the same.
10 steps forward, two steps left, right?
And that's the human mind.
The human mind is not a maze.
It's a labyrinth, as well as the soul.
You know, the soul is also a labyrinth.
Like you can dive in.
Once you decide to enter the door, you can't control.
You don't know anything that's going to happen each time.
But at the same time, you know that the way in is safe and the way out is safe.
No matter what.
That's why you have a shaman.
Because the shaman makes sure that that field is going to always be protected, safe, and clean.
Have you had an experience where someone was having a very bad trip?
And then how do you, not trip journey, and then how do you manage that experience?
How do you help them through it?
You just fix it like real fast, like with songs, breath.
Someone's having a bad time, like a rough experience, that thing's going to be transmuted in less than one minute.
Really?
Yeah, without question, like surgical precision.
Really?
I've been doing this way too long.
And how do you do it?
Or would it make it?
It depends on what's going on.
Like if I open my eyes and I see a few people in the room, right?
But if you close your eyes, then we're inside of ether, right?
The substance that we're inside of is ether.
Okay.
Ether is the, they call it black matter or antimatter, right?
So that's the substance in the whole cosmos that if it didn't exist, the whole, everything would implode or explode in a millisecond.
A fish doesn't know what water is.
Yeah, You know what I mean?
And so we don't know what ether is.
But when we go into these dimensions through whatever drug or medicine or breath, meditation, near-death experiences, the substance in between is like a blank canvas to work within, you know?
And so you can paint notes within the ether.
So if someone, if I'm singing something and everything is at a certain, and everyone is receiving, you know, like each person is a planet, right?
And so this is the ceremony is a solar system and each of you are a different planet in the solar system.
And I would be the medicine is like the sun and everything's flowing in its own beautiful orbit, right?
You don't know what the orbit's going to be until it happens.
Well, one is kind of like static, right?
So you can feel that static because that static is like on a web and it's creating the vibration.
So if I go over to that person and I open my eyes, I just see a person, right?
But if you close your eyes, then you just see chaos.
And so you can sing and fix and essence, blow the chaos away.
This is unbelievable.
Blow the chaos away.
You know how unbelievable this must sound to a person that hasn't experienced this realm, right?
I'm too deep into it.
I know you're too deep in it.
And like, I'm one of these people that, like, I get very excited by these things and I like going on the journey with that person, right?
Like, I don't like to take my cynicism or skepticism into a story.
I can say I can have it before or afterwards, but I like to take everything you're saying and face it.
That's a skill by itself.
Fair enough.
But I also am thinking about the people who go, like, this is so out there for me.
I don't even know how I can.
It's so tricky to like bring to bring them to understanding.
Like, even with me, right?
Like, how I've been trying to explain this to myself, like, do you notice how literal it was?
Like, I was like, so Mother Nature walks you there, and you're like, you're not really walking.
Like, you're just existing within it.
And now I'm like, okay, I'm trying to think what it would be like to exist within it.
So I'm just saying for anybody listening or watching, I can understand how confusing this would be because the first leap you need to make is removing your understanding of physics.
No, no, that's the best part.
That's going to happen regardless.
Whether you like it or not, shit is going down.
Yeah.
Period.
Like, for example, I tell people, like, someone goes, you know, what if I don't believe?
And I go, believe what?
You shouldn't believe everything.
And they say, oh, what if I don't believe in ayahuasca?
Like, will it work?
And I'm like, listen, there's a few things I can guarantee that I can introduce you to.
One is death.
Two is gravity.
And three is ayahuasca.
That's it.
How deep do you want to learn?
Gravity, you want a little lesson?
I can trip you.
Big gravity lesson.
I can push you off a building.
There you go.
Throw you off a plane.
Yeah.
Parachute or no parachute.
Right.
Right.
And that's the shaman comes in.
Parachute or no parachute.
Parachute.
God.
You want to parachute?
How do you pack for the journey to the moon?
What's hot?
What's cold?
Yeah.
You know, to you, hell may be hot, but to me, hell's cold.
Right.
And so these unknown things are energies and thoughts that pop up and they may as well be this, thrown up into there.
And I go, okay, that's 100, that's a 20.
But it's based off of just the depth of fear in the vibration that they're omitting.
I need to tell you, go, go, go.
Well, these things sound crazy, but if you think about it, right?
If I tell you I can send, I can sit here like this, right?
Because it looks spiritual and send a message to someone.
You name someone in the world in a different country and I can send a message to them telepathically.
That sounds crazy.
Yes.
Well, what the fuck is a text message?
We have created a device to do the unthinkable.
Yes.
Right?
Yes.
Well, why is it unthinkable regarding Mother Nature has created these types of devices for us to experience spiritual experiences?
Yes.
Just to clarify, are you saying you can send a message to somebody else on the planet?
No.
Okay.
I have a phone.
Just making sure.
Yeah.
You'll just text.
It's easier.
Okay.
I have two things that I need to ask you about or share.
First, well, first is my one and only experience with mushrooms.
I had a really difficult journey with mushrooms.
And I was at Burning Man, and maybe there's something that you could give me some kind of advice.
And this has probably made me feel comfortable with psychedelics.
And then there's a bigger thing that I'll say afterwards.
But I was at Burning Man, I did some mushrooms, and it was starting to be really cool.
And the way I describe it is it was like taking the condom off of colors.
You know, like all of a sudden, like purple was this like amazing purple.
And like these, and I would look at the moon, and the moon was like following me and not literally chasing me, but no matter where I looked, it almost looked like there was this weird connectivity and it was kind of funky, but it wasn't as crazy as I had imagined, like the sky dripping, like you hear some people say.
And well, then I randomly got cell phone service in the middle of the desert And I was just on Twitter and there was a bunch of like, you know, negative comments and shit like that.
So, and then after that, I had this like really tough time, man, where it felt like I was meeting each one of my insecurities.
And they were like these stone soldiers, similar to like that Bruce Lee Enter the Dragon movie.
And like every time I'd close up my eyes, that would be what I saw.
So I'd keep my eyes open, but I was like, I just want to go to sleep and work this off.
And it was, it was really heavy for me.
The next day, I got out and I was and I was okay, but it was really fucking heavy.
How close are they cousins, mushrooms in ayahuasca?
And what would you say that experience was?
And yeah, like what do you have to say about that?
I guess I'm looking for some kind of wisdom.
So symbolism is important, right?
But mushrooms are known as ninos.
Niños are the brothers.
The brothers, like the little brothers of the forest, you know, the sprites, the elves, the gnomes of the forest.
Mother ayahuasca is known as the La Malare, the mother of all the medicines, right?
Or like the abulita, like the elder.
Yeah.
You know, some mushrooms, mushrooms are very powerful, obviously.
And there's many kinds of mushrooms.
But the set and the setting is an important thing.
You know, you're running around, you take mushrooms for the first time in Burning Man, you know, at nighttime, you know.
Maybe not the best idea.
I mean, a lot of people seem to have a great time.
You know, you would never get me there, but I mean, five years straight, people were trying to like pay me to come.
Like, oh, you were friends, come with us.
I'm like, no, you want me to come so that way you can get extra fucked up.
Yes.
And when you get, go too far, I'll bring you back.
And then I'm like, I'm not coming.
Like, it's not going to be like working in an emergency room.
Yes.
But you should go for yourself.
I think that it would give you faith in humanity.
I think it would give you some faith in humanity that you may have lost.
I haven't lost any of it, brother.
A little bit.
No, come on.
Here's the thing.
You don't take a cobra and put it in the middle of a concert.
That's fair.
That's fair.
But again, I'm not, you've experienced like this level of spirituality that I haven't touched 100%.
But from a guy from New York who's pretty, you know, cynical about stuff and skeptical, I went in and think it was going to be the dumbest thing in the world.
And then I saw people actually trying to be nice, kind, and helpful to other human beings for a week.
And there was helpful with a lot of drugs and alcohol, but their first intuition was, how can I be nice and kind and helpful to you?
And it was super transformative for me, man, because I thought human beings were pieces of shit at our core.
New York style.
Bro, it's tough out there.
Everybody trying to take advantage of you.
Hold life growing up.
You know, you want to help the environment?
Give me your money.
You know what I mean?
Everything is giving your money.
So it was cool.
And maybe you like it, maybe you don't, but that's up to you.
Yeah.
I've heard some of my closest friends have been going to Burning Man for like 10 years.
But not being the doctor.
You have to go with your own.
Yeah, that's the problem.
I need to go with like people I don't know so they can't like try to get something out of you.
Put make flyers and then promote it to all the people so they attract all the people to sell them tickets to their camp next year.
They were just used me.
Yeah, that is that's that is the most unburning fan experience because what they're doing is taking from you and the whole idea of it, at least what I saw there is give.
People spending $1.6 million on their camp, but then telling me that I want to pay my weekly rate.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm like, really?
You just bragged to me.
This were you going to skim?
You just brag to me about what Diddy's doing, what you're doing, and then you're going to tell me you have no money for me.
That makes no sense.
Okay.
But that experience, I think overall, probably one of the best things that could have happened to you is you had your like, you know, solo experience rolling through there, the moon connection, mother moon.
Mother Moon is like following you around, almost like putting light in the darkness on you.
The symbolism of the statues, those statues were always buried with the emperors to protect them on this journey into the next, you know.
So, so that, so in essence, these were features within yourself that you were using as a protection mechanism, a defense mechanism, and they had no life in them.
They only had the life in them that you put when you're on the mushrooms, you see them separate from you, and you recognize these characteristics that were not you.
They were only you as long as you feed them.
Interesting.
Just like a bad thought.
Yes, they were bad thoughts that you internalized.
These bad thoughts.
Well, the ultimate virus is fear.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because you can live your whole life not know you have it.
Yes.
It's systemic and you can give it to your children and everyone around you and no one notices it.
There's no vaccine for fear.
And that's ultimately how in the reptilian brain, right?
When they were saying like reptiles, you know, our cortex is the reptilian brain.
That's fight or flight.
Some people are hardwired.
Something happens, attack.
Other people run.
But it's both uncontrolled emotions, both uncontrolled emotions.
So you face that, and you, of course, you probably, even though you say the reservoir drained or you don't have a lot of the flow that you had, right?
But certain things, characteristics changed forever, right?
100%.
And through perspectives, the way you see the world.
Knowing that it exists, it's the four-minute mile, bro.
Knowing that it can be done.
There we go.
Yeah, it was super transformative and it was great.
That's amazing.
Here's my second thing.
My brother went on a journey with psychedelics and is now schizophrenic.
Now, he might have been predestined to that, and then that might have happened already, but it felt as if like he was really chasing something with maybe LSD and mushrooms and stuff like that.
Now, I'm not equating LSD to ayahuasca, but I think a lot of people out there may see them as similar things.
100%.
So my fear is that I have this thing in my DNA that I could unearth.
And I'm terrified of unearthing it when I'm generally like a very happy and grateful person.
Don't get me wrong.
I have my fucking down days, et cetera.
We're frustrated, whatever.
But like, I almost, I'm going, am I being greedy?
Chasing after?
Nah.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like, I feel so grateful for what I have.
Crystal clear.
What am I?
Am I going to be punished?
No.
With fucking schizophrenia.
So maybe with psychedelics, with psychedelics, yeah, that could happen.
So you tell me that distinction for a possibility for anybody.
But what is cancer before it's cancer?
It's just a cell.
It's a cell.
It's just a cell, right?
And so we're all predetermined for any of these things.
The problem, so science, science today, they have psychedelics.
A psychedelic means that you're consuming a substance that the main ingredient that's active in the brain is foreign to the brain.
So mushrooms are organic, right?
But still, psilocybin is a psychedelic because it's foreign to the brain.
Simultaneously, LSD is chemical man-made and it's foreign to the brain.
They classify ayahuasca in something called entheogenics, right?
And entheogen means that the active ingredient is inside of the system already.
But that doesn't mean you can't have a problem.
Right.
Smoke too much deep.
Look, here's the problem with psychedelics, right?
You see people, so I said I do an average of like 150 ayahuasca samuras a year, right?
So if you took mushrooms, try taking mushrooms 150 times in a year, right?
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You're not going to make it.
You know what I mean?
You're going to be, you know, naked with the trees, burning man year-round.
We're going to be chasing burning man all year, right?
Like a fucking dog with a fire hydrant looking for the next hippie festival, right?
You take mushrooms 150 times in a year.
I mean, take a LSD.
Yeah.
You're frying.
You're done.
Okay.
You can't un-fry a steak.
That's the brain.
That's why you can't pay me to take a drug.
You can't pay me to take LSD.
Because it's not like, oh, but Omar, it's the purest.
I mean, I know a lot of people, man.
And Omar, it's the purest LSD.
Like, you don't understand.
I don't want to understand.
I don't need to understand because I have no purpose.
Why would I take this?
What am I?
What is LSD going to give me that I have not already experienced?
Or do not have the possibility of experiencing with, like, there's no such thing.
That's why it's the problem with our world today as you're going into this grape.
I'm glad you opened this up.
There's no such thing as an LSD shaman.
Right?
Like, there's no, there's no.
Yeah, there's no DMT shaman.
Yes, yes.
Regardless of what shaman and Tulum tells you, regardless of what popular people say, it's bullshit.
A shaman is somebody who utilizes vibration tools, whether the voice, whether flutes, drums, they use tools to bombard the five sensorial three-dimensional reality in the fourth dimension of vibration, right?
Vibration to awaken the sixth sense, to take you outside of your own thoughts into your own sixth sense, right?
That's that spiritual journey.
Now, people consume psychedelics and medicines of different kinds to go into those spaces, but a shaman is someone who works with spirit.
And there's no such thing as LSD spirit.
What's the spirit of LSD?
It's literally a mind fuck, right?
And so like, what's the goal?
To trip out of your mind?
That's the fear.
So what's the point?
You know what I mean?
It's like the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.
But at the same time, the point of a trip is to get out of your mind, but that's the fear.
That's the ultimate fear, to fry your brain and never be able to come back.
Schizophrenia is someone who's stuck in between multiple dimensions.
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I would serve medicine to that person and fix them.
There's another medicine, by the way, that I don't work with called Toe.
And I'm not promoting this, any of this stuff.
I'm saying look into this stuff.
This medicine is known for fixing bipolar disorder, schizophrenia.
It's a leaf.
Remember in Alice in Wonderland where she's going down the rabbit hole, right?
She's following the right white rabbit.
And all she had to do was just turn around, stop chasing the rabbit.
And at one point, when she goes in with the flowers and the one's like, Alice, stop, you're going the wrong way.
They go, what?
I am?
Like, don't listen to her.
That's Brgmanzia.
She's always fibbing.
That flower, that's Toei.
Right?
And I would never serve someone this because it's serious.
It's even more, it's like the most psychoactive plant flower on the earth.
But I know like Grand Maestros, like two like, you know, 50 years.
Oh, there, bring it in.
You know, watch the brain surgeon get to work.
But yeah, yeah.
And there's, I know, I have seen at least a dozen and I know of, you know, dozens of people who have had certain situations that they get fixed to that.
So anything that can be created through, you know, we, we create drugs to fix problems, but those problems were created by drugs.
We're going further and further away from nature and finding more drugs to fix the problem, right?
But mother nature can fix anything that are for the children on the earth.
So it's like the idea that there's not a plant to fix, fill in the blank is crazy.
So, how do I balance my desperation to find some sort of cure for my brother who I love more than anything in the world and kind of like fact-checking and understanding this experience that he could potentially go through?
I mean, I guess at this point, there's little to lose, right?
Because we've tried these different drugs and it doesn't really help him.
But, like, I'm only willing to go down this path because of my desperation.
But the drugs that they're using are to trying to make him normal and be able to operate in society as make him a lemming.
The goal is let him try to live a normal life.
Yeah.
Right.
And the problem is, is that the program in the mind is scrambled.
Yes.
Right.
And so they're trying to give him pills to unscramble that.
Yes.
Right.
But that's not going to necessarily work because the soul, like the when there's a will, there's a way, right?
Like, it's going to have to fix from within.
That's the problem with psychedelic, especially with like LSD.
Yeah.
The problem with people smoking deep.
Well, if I smoke DMT, it's a quicker way than drinking ayahuasca.
The notion is all the tech people, oh, it's 15 minutes.
Why would you need this experience?
And it's like, there is not, it's not the same thing.
Like, there is a, if you think fucking is fucking, sure, but there is a difference between having like tantric sex with a Victoria's Secret model for four hours and having sex with a prostitute in Bogota for 15 minutes.
Yes.
Okay.
But if it's just fucking, then it's the same thing.
And that's the difference between ayahuasca and DMT.
There's a difference in that.
And the thing is, when people start chasing the dragon, they're going to get burned.
He was chasing it, man.
That's the problem.
And that's the problem because you're taking the idea of taking something.
What is it that people chase?
What is it they're going after?
That's what I'm trying to understand.
It depends.
There's crazy.
Look, there are people who are crazy.
Crazy exists too.
There's crazy, you know?
Like, what's the point of playing Russian roulette?
What's the best thing that happens?
You don't die.
What's the worst thing that happens?
You die.
Like, don't sign me up for that.
But there are people who, like, you know, there's a bunch of crazy motherfuckers that'll get together and be like, let's play Russian roulette.
And maybe seven people are like, fuck no.
But two guys are like, I'll do it.
Yeah.
And those two crazy people.
And that's the problem.
Like chasing the dragon, then you want to wonder what happens when you get burned.
But when you're burned, you can't, you're going to have the scar.
Yeah, you can't unburn.
You know, and so the, so LSD, like imagine you're going to take something that's going to scramble up your brain that costs $5.
That sounds crazy, man.
It's like $5, man.
Like, that's nuts.
And if you watch these old hippies that were, you know, growing up, like, oh, man, they're gone.
You know, you see these mushroom, like, you know, the guys.
You haven't experienced that with ayahuasca.
You haven't had an experience.
It's not going to happen.
I become sharper.
Because I was reading a little.
But I don't fuck around, brother.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't, I'm, I don't like, I don't, like, I don't take mushrooms for fun, survival was on the weekend.
I don't drink alcohol.
So you live this life.
Yeah, man.
I'm, I, yeah, I'm 100%, you know, like, I'm, yeah, I'm 100% going this way.
The, um, I read, no, I was listening to a podcast, actually, and one of the guys on the podcast said that ayahuasca is different from most drugs, medicines, in that the more you take it, the stronger it becomes.
Why?
Well, I almost know my answer, but I.
Yeah, I was going to say, I saw you figure it out.
Yeah, your body, and let me see if this is the answer.
Your body gets desensitized to things it's not supposed to consume.
So in other words.
Says who.
Well, no, no.
Like, I mean, like, for example, if I drink alcohol, my body knows that it's not that good.
So, my body starts to go, okay, we got to build up some tolerance to this shit.
You shouldn't be doing this.
And if you drink too much, your body says, get rid of it now so you don't die.
Right.
Whereas maybe with ayahuasca, assuming that it is something that we're supposed to ingest or it is natural, your body doesn't build up that tolerance because it doesn't want to.
You become more sensitive.
Yeah.
So it's almost allowing you, or you build up trust and you're allowing it.
Are there anything?
Is there anything else like that?
Can you think of another substance that doesn't even have to be something that takes you on a journey?
Like water or something?
No, no, we build tolerances to everything.
We build tolerances to everything.
Caffeine, water.
Well, water, you drink more, you need more.
Yeah.
So pretty much everything else except for ayahuasca because of the, because of what we're talking about, ultimately.
Like we're talking about this, we're talking about the spiritual journey.
The more we get in tune, look, the more you get in tune with your body through working out, right?
Yeah.
The one mile doesn't go as far, right?
Now, let's say you start running.
Like, look, I'm going to start running.
And so you start off with a mile.
After hopefully just a couple of weeks, one mile is not a break of sweat.
Now you do two, now you do five, right?
Yeah, yeah.
But it's not that you need to do more miles.
It's that you're able, you've conditioned your body to go deeper in the journey of running.
Okay.
Are there people that you say or that you believe should not try it?
Like, will you ever say to somebody, no, I don't want to do this for you because either your intentions aren't good or I don't think you're in a place where this is right?
The intentions is a huge thing.
So it's for you, it's intentions, less like emotional state or mental state.
That's the thing.
Everyone, people go, I want to drink ayahuasca when I get into a better state.
I'm going through a lot of stuff right now.
Exactly.
That's why you're joining the state.
That's why you need it.
Or I'm in a really good place.
I just, I don't see why.
I would rather a person who thinks they're in a really good place right now to not do that.
Because everyone's always like the way you approached it is the right way.
Like fear, you're supposed to be afraid.
Terrified.
You're supposed to be.
Absolutely.
Because fear makes you humble.
And humble is exactly how you enter the ceremony.
When you're humble, you're received humbly.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
When you're a kid and you go to the dentist for the first time, the dentist doesn't have the fucking injection in his hand when he comes to see you.
Yeah, yeah.
He has a sticker.
Yeah, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's ayahuasca.
Like, like, we're all petrified children, but foolish children are the one I have to watch out.
Someone's like, oh, yeah, you know, I've taken LSD 42 times.
I microdose with the Bitcoin guys in San Francisco.
Like, we know what we're doing.
And I'm just like, that person, I put the fear of God in them.
I'm going to make sure they're afraid because I'm doing you a favor to make, to humble you before you fall.
Before you get humble.
Not because of me.
I'm not going to do it.
I'm on your team.
Yeah, yeah.
But ayahuasca.
Yeah, ayahuasca don't play that shit.
Fuck no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like you're talking about a different level of lay down.
If somebody who has listened to this or watched this is curious, and I'm going to say right now, I'm still terrified.
And maybe I'm not at a point in my life where I'm ready.
And maybe I'll get to a point where I'm ready.
I just want to be honest, like with everybody listening.
I don't want them all to think that we're going to go do some retreat.
And then everybody's like, oh, it's for me, blah, blah, blah.
Like, if you're scared, I'm scared.
Like, it's okay.
Yeah.
And this is not a function of like, to be honest, I think it's a function of you being honest with me.
Like, if you were trying to sell me, I think that you could sell me, but it doesn't seem like you're trying to sell me.
It doesn't need to be sold.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But does that, you understand what I'm saying?
Yeah, I do.
I'm trying to like credit you here in terms of like, I appreciate that.
Your experience here, like, you're, I'm like, I'm scared.
You're like, you should be scared.
Instead of some people going, nothing bad can happen.
Oh, I got you.
Don't worry.
It's natural.
Whatever the fuck is that.
Yeah.
So, what I'm what I'm curious is like not everybody that listens that might be curious will be able to do it with you.
I'm at you, you're a very busy guy.
You have these clients around the world.
Maybe some of them will get that experience.
The world's shut down.
I'm in America now.
Well, you're chilling for right now.
But how do they avoid the fake shamans?
That's the trick.
I mean, that's what are the things that they can look for, et cetera.
Because that is a concern of mine.
If they listen to this and then they go after it and then they end up in the hands of some fucking douchebag in Tulum.
Yeah, that's the problem.
There's no real shamans in Tulum.
So don't do it in Tulum.
Don't do ayahuasca in Tulum.
Ayahuasca is not natural in Tulum.
There's no way, you know, people say, oh, my shaman's been learned with the shamans in Tulum.
But the Tulum is peyote, like peyote, like grandfather medicines, you know, not ayahuasca.
Ayahuasca comes from the rainforest, right?
So the thing is, the tricky part, like, I can't name someone who was serving medicine five years ago in America because ayahuasca, you know, what happens is, is they start trying to cheat the system, right?
So like, okay, I'm not going to drink it.
They tell me, oh, I've just drank enough ayahuasca.
I'm already connected.
So then they don't drink the medicine.
They serve to all these people.
Ayahuasca, like, oh, really?
And now you don't know what's going to happen.
So they, they, they, like, all of a sudden was like, ah, and they, you know, and so then if someone has a really bad experience, anyone else who's in that room is never going to drink medicine with that person again and tell everyone not to.
So by default, karma fixes that.
How are you going to be a shaman with no one to serve?
Yep.
It's like being a chef when no one wants to eat your food.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Pick something else.
Okay.
And so I say, trust your intuition.
How long has someone been doing it?
But a lot of people, you know, there are good mechanics and there are bad mechanics.
And this bad mechanic's been a mechanic for 26 years.
Right.
You know, so it's really fucking tricky, man.
So in other words, like make sure they're highly recommended by somebody that you know and trust and it's had that experience.
That's the most important thing.
Yeah.
Don't worry about, you know, anyone who's promoting like, you know, like my like Instagram says I'm an ayahuasca because I am an ayahuasquero, but I'm not like putting posts on my story like Sarah Monty in Los Angeles.
You know, like that, watch out for that.
You know, for me, 100%, I would say 99.99% of the people I serve medicine to are coming because someone they know was like, you got to do it.
With him.
Yeah.
That's that's the goal.
I've served medicine to over 8,000 people, man.
Yeah.
You know, and there's never been a, there's never been a promotional post with it.
Ayahuasca, my job as an ayahuasque is to plant seed and to build bridges.
My job is not to serve ayahuasca to the whole world.
It's impossible.
You know, so if I plant the seed, like you had the seed planted by someone.
Someone, thank you, Emily, so much for making this happen, Emily and Ampersand Studios.
And yeah, you were very sweet to make this connection.
And thank you for having me here, man.
Thank you.
Yeah, I mean, I've been watching your stuff for a while.
I saw you in Rogan and the monologues are the monologues.
I didn't realize that was part of a Netflix special.
I was catching those monologues.
I was like, thank God someone's dropping it.
But you can, you can say it because you're a comedian.
Right, exactly.
Shaman, they go.
How dare you?
How dare you have a belief?
How dare you?
How dare you not agree with everything, the narrative?
But the yeah, man, it's just, it's just tricky.
You have to, like, word of mouth, someone you know, number one.
But at the end of the day, it's preparation and intention.
Like good reasons to, you know, to experience the medicine.
But at the end of the day, I can tell you one thing for sure, without that, I've never, ever heard anyone ever tell me ever that they wish they didn't do it.
I don't care if you have stage five pancreatic cancer and you were literally purging for three and a half hours.
I don't care if you're coming with the only intention of healing child molestation, right?
I don't care if you thought you were a really good person.
That's the best.
The people that think they're really good people and then ayahuasca is like really you, because they're so delusional that they think they're really good, but they're just thieves.
You know, those are the people that get, because then they're like, no, it's not true.
You know it's like no, it's true.
And here's a million examples.
You know, those people get like you know, but everyone comes out better.
Everyone's always better, more connected.
You're gonna get exactly what you need, especially in the right setting, in the right in the right, with someone who knows what they're doing.
Do you do these ceremonies in America?
Yes, and then, how do you get the ayahuasca to America?
Or is that an illegal question?
No, so because it is an illegal substance, right?
No actually, ayahuasca is legal.
The thing is, there's no Dmt.
Dmt is illegal and the Dmt is in the Chicodo, the Chakruna Chakruna yeah, and which is added.
How do you get that?
Well, so the thing is, is that um, I have an organization that that was, you know, it's headquartered in Costa Rica, registered in five other countries, being the United States, and so when we're dealing with like, the matrix, we're dealing with like, we're dealing with law on legalities, right?
So the the, the case law regarding medicinal, you know, the using of drugs as medicinal or religious purposes has already been argued, 2006, Supreme Court case with this guy, James Moody from the Udv Native American Church, with peyote marijuana, and then there's 2008 precedents for ayahuasca and Supreme Court, and then 2010.
So all the precedents and the statutory laws put in place on the Supreme Court down to a state Supreme Court level regarding usage of ayahuasca.
So I think that ayahuasca should stay exactly the way it is.
I think that um, if you're selling ayahuasca to people you you're, you should be prosecuted.
There's a big difference between distributing a banned substance and someone sending a donation into an organization for a seat in a ceremony.
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You know if I, if you come to the ceremony and you drink two and a half cups, then i'm then the.
Then I don't charge you 150 per cup.
That's distributing a banned substance and that's illegal.
You're paying for a ceremony that happens to have.
You're sending a donation into an organization right for a seat in a ceremony which is up to 20 people, at which the the, the sacrament is ayahuasca.
Yes, whether you drink a half a cup, two cups, one cup, irrelevant.
Yeah, that's, that's how we, we operate gotcha, that's.
That's the legal way for any religious organization to distribute wine to a minor.
Yeah, got you okay now.
So, in other words, you are getting the actual ayahuasca and the tracruna from the rainforest.
You're not like 100.
Yeah, I have made so fra, I serve more.
I serve hundreds, like I.
I serve a lot of ayahuasca.
Yeah okay, and so um, so it's always being made and it's always being sent to wherever i'm going.
I have a whole organization.
I don't even.
It's just all taken care of.
Yeah, I basically like, just deal with myself.
I love it.
I serve medicine.
Yes, you know what I mean.
It gets there, it's gonna be there.
I just worry to make sure i'm there right right, and everything is gonna be taken care of you know.
Thank you so much.
I don't want to take up any more of your time.
Alex has a question.
Oh, Alex is curious about your opinion on Dr. Sebi.
Are you familiar with Dr. Sebi?
The vegan guy?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's no longer with us.
Dr. Sebi, he had the revolution regarding.
What's my opinion?
I mean, I think he anything that becomes too indoctrinated, like there's no one solution.
So for example, like humans are humans, right?
But if you go one step down, the human is the animal where with the soul within, right?
But if you look at this, the animal of man, there's many kinds of man, right?
So whereas like no one should be eating red meat only, but at the same time, not every person will benefit from never having that in their system.
Some humans might be able to digest it better than others.
There isn't one way for you.
Yeah, and so like the religion, like veganism, for example, has become a religion.
You know, like the new virtue signaler is like, I'm a vegan.
So they have like vegan friends, like, oh, half my friends.
Like, we're going to go to like, why go to a steakhouse and then bitch that they don't have good vegan options?
Yeah, you may.
You don't see steak eaters going to the vegan place and bitching.
It's just disrespectful, you know?
Yeah.
So it's like, I made this post one time.
I said, Hitler was a vegetarian and Jesus ate meat.
Your diet doesn't define your spirituality.
And people went crazy.
Like, how dare you compare Hitler and Jesus?
I'm like, how dare I compare the eating habits of two well-known historical figures?
Yeah, yeah.
So I think Dr. Sebi was amazing from the perspective of he really embodied one aspect, but I look at the whole thing of taking care of the human body and or the spirit as like Hinduism.
Like they have many gods and goddesses and you may be drawn to one thing.
You may be a devotion of Krishna, but that doesn't mean that the other paths don't exist.
Like when I, after my first ayahuasca ceremony, I didn't eat any meat or any animal product for like two and a half years.
I went from like 216 to like 165, right?
Whoa.
Yeah, I'm like 202 right now, right?
Then I went and visited a friend.
He has like this farm.
He's like, has like this most amazing lamb.
I was like, lamb?
I'm like Afghan.
So I'm like, lamb.
DNA is like, DNA is like, you know what I mean?
The DNA activate.
And I ate that.
Man, I took the first bite and I felt my body just come alive, like saying, thank God, right?
And after I ate it, I felt like completely rejuvenated.
So I feel the goal with anything is to find your path.
Like I do green juice and celery juice like three days a week preparing for ceremony, but on Monday, I may order lamb if my body says for the most part, I stay vegan, but I, if, but I know what I need, and that's the key.
Yeah.
Not ask someone what I need.
You know, I think going in, you mean what I think of him as a person or what his system?
Philosophy is.
Yeah.
I think it's his philosoph.
Yeah, I think his philosophy is important to exist on the earth just as like a, as like a Buddha or any of these, you know, like we needed an Osho.
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We needed all these different personas to come and that embody one specific thing for us to see as a guiding light.
And maybe we go down that path for a month.
Maybe you go down that path for five years, right?
But the point is, you'll be, you'll have another tool in the surgery of life to be able to implement with precision, you know?
But I would never just like, this is the only way.
It's absolutely not true.
There's no such, you know, there's no way.
But I think, but him as a person, like, let's look at him.
Like, you know, he's a living Buddha.
You know what I mean?
Plus, like a Jamaican, you know, like the whole, the whole, the whole vibe, the whole vibe.
Yeah.
Well, dude, thank you so much for being here.
Thank you so much for your time.
Tell people where they can find you.
You have your Instagram, obviously, also the organization.
Like, we're going to put it, you know, in the video.
Oh, I appreciate that.
But yeah.
We leave the organization out of the Instagram.
What's the best place to contact you?
Shaman Omar.
Yeah.
On Instagram.
And yeah, I'm just super grateful for the conversation, man.
This has been awesome.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm excited for you when you, you know, all you guys decide to.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Part two.
Also, how much does it cost a ceremony?
Can you share that?
Depends.
Yeah.
Like for, yeah, I mean, it just depends on where.
Yeah.
Can you give me like a, can you give me like the gambit?
So if you're going, if you're joining like a public, a public ceremony.
20 people, let's say.
Yeah, but some people have public centers with like 70.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
It's a little crazy.
Personally, like, here's the thing that you have like five or six musicians, right?
Maybe they have a little bit of skill or not.
They're like nurses.
Yeah, right?
They're nurses.
So nurses may be able to have a good ceremony, but one day someone's going to need a doctor.
Okay.
Someone needs a doctor.
The nurses are looking around to see where the doctor is, right?
So you need a doctor, right?
But then there's doctors and then there are fucking surgeons.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like a maestro ayahuasca is a surgeon.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
And a surgeon is only going to set up certain amount of surgeries, potential surgeries in one time.
You can't do too much.
Yeah, because quality is the key.
You have, ayahuasca is so perfect in so many ways that your job, the way I look at the art of the shamanic arts, my job is to make sure that I'm not the reason this was the most amazing, unbelievable experience of ayahuasca is the reason.
If you're looking for the most powerful spiritual experience of your entire life, that's exactly why I'm serving you ayahuasca.
Anything other than that, go to the hippies.
Go to Malibu.
You know what I mean?
And drink a little ayahuasca and dance.
If you're able to dance, you're not doing it.
You're not doing it.
You know what I mean?
You should be thinking like, how am I going to go to the bathroom?
How am I going to stand up?
That's an ayahuasca ceremony.
You're not going to be thinking like going to the bathroom.
You're going to just be in the experience, right?
But a group ceremony ranges in the matter of a few hundred dollars.
Yeah.
Per person.
Per person.
To equal a certain amount for a minimum to cover flights and everything.
And then the private ceremony is that same amount, but it doesn't matter if it's one person, three people, six people.
Yes.
So on.
Then there's retreats.
Like I do retreats in Costa Rica.
Actually, we were going to open a retreat center in Costa Rica.
Again, I had one for a few years, but with the whole vaccine passports and all, I don't, so now we're actually going to open one in Homestead here in Florida.
Oh, really?
So, yeah.
So we do seven-day retreats.
So it's like a, you know, so in essence, you come, you come on a Monday, you leave on a Sunday.
My goal with creating the shamanic center in the U.S. is to bring back the mystery schools of Egypt that once existed.
So it's not just about like me building an ayahuasca center.
No, it's about bringing like Hopi Indian from Sedona to give you the right of passage with their medicine.
Bringing in the Mandean tribes, you know, the tribe of John the Baptist to come in and baptize your ass with their medicines.
Oh, that's cool.
You know what I mean?
To bring in what once existed that we have heard stories of but do not know of the existence of.
But these tribes still live.
That's really cool.
So you can have all these different experiences that have been tied to either religion or belief systems or philosophy throughout history.
And there's a reason why I was thinking about this when I was doing my research on ayahuasca.
And then I'll let you go after this.
You've been more than generous with your time.
I appreciate this.
It's good.
Philosophy Born from Utility00:02:15
The free market decides the fate of things.
If something has been around for thousands of years, it's either here by force or here by utility.
And that is what made me super curious about ayahuasca because if there wasn't utility, it wouldn't be here, right?
There's no government body that's forcing the people to consume it.
You know?
Yeah.
Like spam might be around for as long as the U.S. is around because the government's like, we're going to keep printing this shit.
But ayahuasca is like, you got to go into the forest to get this shit.
Like, you got to try to get it.
It's not easy.
And the fact that it's still around made me go, okay, there's, there's definitely, this is choice.
This is utility.
Like, yeah, man.
Yeah, that's an amazing way of looking at it.
But, you know, we say like philosophy, like philosophy as we know it was created in Greece.
And the most famous philosophers would be like Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates.
Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates lived for between 26 and 28 years in the mystery schools in Alexandria, Egypt.
Oh.
You know, so like, so when you, so when they learn alchemy, like the Egypt is Egypt after, you know, ancient Egypt's name was Al-Khemet.
Al-Khemet means the black lands.
So they looked at the Nile River as the spine of Mother Kemet.
And the soil was so rich, dark, dark brown.
So that's where magic, black magic is magic from the lands of al-Kemet.
And the science of this is called alchemy.
And so these, these Greeks sent their brightest and their smartest to the mystery schools to learn from the repository of history from Sumeria and from the Indus Valley and work with all the medicines.
When they learned and experienced alchemy, they realized that everyone in Greece is asleep.
And so they did, instead of trying to become shamans, they started to teach people how to turn the maze of the mind, start tearing down walls.
And that's how they created philosophy.
Philosophy was a way to take the understandings and the macro and to bring it down into the mind.
Like when you see like Carl Jung created the archetypes, but the archetypes are based off his study of the Sumerian tablets with the archons, which is the, you know, the false creator.
Shamans as Yin-Yang Lines00:03:19
So ultimately, when you look at the, what you're saying about like utility or by force, right?
But then there's also the force to remove utility from our hands.
So if you look at like the proverbial Garden of Eden, we all look at it from the perspective.
We as in modern world, 82% of the world looks at this story in some reverence and everyone understands it.
And so we say, God said, eat from the fruit from the tree of life, but do not touch the fruit from the tree of wisdom.
And they're associating right and wrong based off of this and original sin and down the rabbit hole, right?
But if you take away what they tell you God said right and wrong and you look at the story, the creator of man said, through the fruits from the tree, from the fruits from mother nature, you can learn everything about eternal life and good and evil.
You're here to decide what you want to learn and what you don't want to learn.
But through your decision, you choose to stay asleep.
Ayahuasca is like, doesn't matter which pill you take.
Wakey, wake up.
You're going to see red or blue?
Purple or green.
You're going to go to the place.
Love it.
You know?
And you'll have the story, you know?
And more than the story, like the more you start to have those experiences, the more you start to see in other people.
And like, you know, so I'm not, I'm very optimistic of humanity, by the way.
I love it.
Yeah, yeah.
Don't let all black fool you.
Like, I fly places and I hear people tell me the worst things.
I have, I hear people tell me, let me tell you my story.
Here's my problems, right?
Here's my perception.
But the problem is that they're holding on to the story.
You know, you create, they're casting the spell on their own life, right?
You create the spell with the words, and then they're, and then you hear everything, like really dark shit.
And then sometimes things that people think are dark.
You know, a trust fund baby is like, and my mommy and daddy, they were never around.
It's like, because they're making all that fucking money and celebrating their life.
But to them, that pain is at 85%, just like the kid who never met their parents.
So pain is pain.
And 85% of reality of pain is that.
So who are we to judge that?
You know what I mean?
Like everyone has their story, right?
And they feed that story.
But I fly somewhere, I meet people, and I hear the worst things and confusion, like chickens, like the sky's falling.
And then we have a ceremony, and after that ceremony, without question and with millimetric precision, afterwards, hope, the world is reborn.
It's a new day, you know, hallelujah.
So I get, I, every week, I see the dark and the confusion, and then I see the light through the perspective of other people's projections of reality onto my field.
You know, so I just stay, the shaman is the line in between the yin-yang.
Right.
You know?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh my God.
No, the line in between the yin-yang.
Even when you go into the dark, you're still balanced between the light.
When you go into the light, you don't scream for joy either.