Francis Ngannou discusses his ambition to unify the UFC and heavyweight boxing titles against Tyson Fury, reflecting on his journey from Cameroonian skepticism to global icon status. The hosts pivot to cultural controversies, debating Lil Nas X's provocative imagery, Joyner Lucas's family reactions, and the fallout of Izzy's comments regarding Kevin Holland that led to a BMW sponsorship drop. They analyze upcoming fights between Jake Paul and Ben Askren, comparing Askren's wrestling advantages to Connor McGregor's power deficits against Floyd Mayweather, while questioning corporate cancel culture and historical boxing narratives involving Lennox Lewis. Ultimately, the episode blends sports speculation with sharp cultural critique, urging listeners to support their Patreon amidst shifting sponsorship landscapes. [Automatically generated summary]
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Movie On Your Life00:06:49
They're gonna make a movie on your life.
Who do you want to play you?
To play in a jackass.
Yeah, man.
And believe me, this shit is dope.
Would you ever box Tyson Fury?
Heavyweight title in MMA and boxing.
Obviously.
Obviously.
Let's go.
Here we are.
We're here with the champ, everybody.
We are here with the UFC heavyweight champion of the world.
Francis, I'm Andrew.
This is Akash.
We also have Alex and Mark and Dove in the room.
We are very excited to speak with you.
Thank you so much for taking the time.
You are officially, I think by most people's standards, the baddest motherfucker on the planet now.
Yeah.
On the whole planet.
Think about that.
I don't know if there's a single guy that can beat you up on the whole planet.
Well, not if I if I stop working, yeah.
If you what?
If I stop working, if I stop working.
If you stop working, maybe they could do it.
That's fair.
I just think it's a pretty amazing feat.
You know, I was listening to a podcast with you and Joe Rogan, and you were detailing your life story.
I'm sure everybody's going to ask you to tell your life story.
I won't ask you to do it right now, but please go listen to that podcast.
It was amazing.
They're going to make a movie about your life.
They have to.
Hollywood's already working.
I'm sure your agents right now are telling you.
You know, Markel's probably in your ear.
He's like, we're going to make this movie.
Who do you think?
Yeah, we've been on that for quite a while now.
We've been working on behind the scene.
You know, we didn't make it here just like randomly.
It's been a lot of work behind the scene.
Like even in the gym and like on the Asian-wise, like such as Markel, who's been working behind the scene for this moment, building up everything.
And yes, there's nothing that we haven't thinked about.
And my team has been doing such a great job.
So as far for now, we don't have nothing that we have to really start from the bottom.
I have a question for you.
They're going to make a movie on your life.
Who do you want to play you?
Who do I want to play me?
Who better actor than me?
You got to do it, right?
Yeah.
Oh, that'd be so cool, man.
Because I don't have to read the script.
I don't have to act like me since I'm just, I'll just be me, just be natural and happen, you know?
And the whole line is going to be in my mind.
I don't even have to read it.
I don't even have to.
Nothing.
So, yeah.
I think that's great.
Now, now, I heard like whispers of you maybe being in the in Hollywood a little bit, some acting opportunities.
Is there any truth to that?
Can you talk about that?
Absolutely.
I've been in 2019, I was in London playing.
I had a small role in the Fast and Furious Night.
Oh, shit.
Yeah, man.
And believe me, this shit is dope.
Like, I was there.
I'm like, man, so this house behind the scenes look like for movie, it was impressive.
I was blew up, like, wow.
You know, I had fun there, enjoy this thing, all the funny stuff that you see in the movie.
I'm like, damn, I'm like, so what is what am I doing?
Like, what is this going to look like?
They were like, okay, you are a fat guy being in the car fighting thing.
I'm like, oh, yeah, that's the fat movie.
Now, who wins in a fight, though?
You are the rock.
You got the rock, right?
No, no, no.
Unfortunately, I didn't have that in some movie, but maybe in the future that's going to happen.
And yes.
And I think it was, yeah, earlier this year.
Yeah, earlier this year, I was in Cali in Hollywood to play in Jackass.
That was funny.
I think that's the craziest thing that I ever seen.
Why would they do?
Man, I had to punch somebody on the nut.
No, Hey, hey, listen, listen.
I did it the first time.
I'm like, listen, man, we know you.
People know that you're the hardest puncher in the world.
You wasn't hard enough.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
Like, I'm never like, I don't know.
I can't hurt this guy.
Like, did he at least have kids or something already?
So, who'd you punch?
Johnny Knoxville?
No, no, no, not Johnny Knoxville.
It was somebody else.
It was somebody else.
All right, fine.
You can't tell us.
Oh, my God.
I can't.
And you had to punch him twice.
Man.
So twice.
Seeing that the first time went, and you had to do it already the second time, you know, I'm like, man.
And he was there waiting for you, praying, shaking for you to punch him hard on the nut.
Yeah.
Hollywood's pretty weird, huh?
Basically, especially for that one.
Yeah, especially for that one.
I'm like, wow.
But listen, like, when you follow up with the jackass story, you kind of understand that exactly the kind of stuff that they do.
Yeah.
It's all about crazy stuff.
And that's what makes it special, you know.
I was watching an interview with you and you were talking about like the importance of confidence and like believing in yourself, right?
Learning From Mistakes00:06:41
And what I'm so fascinated by with you specifically is your whole life, you have to believe in yourself that you can do something while everybody around you is going, don't do that.
Don't leave Cameroon.
Don't try to get into Europe.
Don't do these things.
It's dangerous.
Don't do it.
Right.
And you do all of that and then it works out.
And then you have to go and learn how to do a sport where people tell you what to do.
Was it difficult to have people tell you what to do and then trust what they said after your whole life?
You just trusted what you felt was right?
No, I mean, trust them when you felt was right.
Your intuition doesn't have nothing to do with knowledge.
That doesn't mean like when you believe in yourself, that doesn't know mean you know everything.
You have to learn.
But at some point, you just have to have your own guts and believe in it because there is no like an actual statement who says this and this is going to be like this.
Everybody is kind of like guessing, assuming.
You know, that's where that's when belief in yourself is very moment.
I mean, believe in yourself doesn't mean you won't go to school because you believe in yourself.
That's just silly.
You know, you have to learn, you have to explore things, you have to experience stuff.
And that's even one of the reasons because like believing yourself allows you to experience, to go forward, learn different things.
So nothing was hard about that because even the first time that I started Boston, I was 22 years old.
I mean, I walked through the gym.
I left my village, go to the city, and then I went to the gym.
And I was like, I felt so strong.
Like, I felt like I'm going to work two people at the same time.
And all this, like, I can go to the war, war.
And then when I went there, I felt like I realized that it's not as easy as I thought.
I still have to learn.
I still have to believe in the technique, in the system of in the experience.
And down the road, that experience pay out.
But at the beginning, at first, I didn't have that.
And I had to trust somebody to believe in something in order to get there.
You know, so believing in yourself doesn't have any problem to do with learning something.
Yeah, it's not.
You can believe in yourself without being arrogant.
You can still be humble when you believe in yourself.
You're saying?
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you can be humble, listen to some people's advice, counsel, and use their advice to make your own point of view, to make your own statement, because there is a lot of things that they don't teach you.
They don't teach you how to live in life.
You know, when you grow up, for example, we all, I'll take this example because we all here might understand.
They don't teach you how to talk to a girl, how to find a girl.
But we all under that as a man.
I mean, you kind of like have your own way, your own techniques to approach and to do this.
They don't teach you those stuff.
They don't teach you how to be a man.
They teach you intelligence, but mostly like wisdom, you gain by your own.
You understand yourself by looking around and see how the world is moving and kind of like make your own statement, which is not like any like others who can be different of others and still don't be wrong.
You know, you can just have a different opinion and not be wrong because there is not a fact.
It's just like assuming, you know, because nobody knows what exactly is going to happen tomorrow.
We don't have a guarantee of what's going to happen tomorrow.
So we just assume it.
When you have a situation, situation in front of you, you just guess and go among 10 solutions, you choose one.
Somebody else will choose different one.
Another person will choose different one.
Well, who knows exactly what is the right solution?
There is not the right solution.
You just trust your God and you deal with your decision because sometimes you're right, sometimes you're wrong.
But you deal with it.
But I always believe that it's very important when you're wrong, when with on your own opinion, then you learn from that.
Then it makes you grow more than get wrong on somebody's opinion, on somebody's advice, because you didn't apply your own thought, your own opinion.
For me, it seems like you're living somebody's life, abandoning your own life, and living somebody like.
There's a lot of things that you have a right to learn on yourself, to mistake on it, because it's all what life is about to learn, to mistake, and to continue evolving.
Yeah, that's probably so.
Based on what you just said, I was going to ask something else, but based on that, what failure in your life taught you the most?
Where you made a mistake trusting yourself and you look back at that and you think that's a turning point in my life.
I did a lot of mistakes in my life on my decision.
But listen man uh, I'm gonna tell you this, all those, those mistakes that, those decisions that I have made, all that led me to where I am today.
So there's not a way for me to stand here and say I'm regretting something.
Uh, you might, I might wish to go back and fix something and change something.
But guess what?
Maybe by changing something to fix something, I'm gonna broke up something again and even worse.
So I deal with it.
You know, three years ago I lost a fight against TP Miyotish.
I lost like I did.
Resetting The Mind00:06:55
Honestly, I didn't do anything right on that fight.
I learned from it.
You know, I understand that, and today I don't think if it's just emotion, but I think from that loss I learned a lot and which make my victory today even more enjoyable.
You know more appreciatable now.
So I mean, that's all what life is about, mistakes.
You learn about you, you learn from your mistake, you move on, keep going.
And yeah now, when I saw you guys in the ring at first, right before the fight started, I noticed that Stipe didn't even comb his hair.
Okay, like he looked like he just got out of bed, right.
And I was worried for a second because I was like this guy just wants to fight.
Like he didn't even give a fuck about putting a comb in his hair, he didn't use gel, he didn't use anything.
I was a little concerned.
Was there any part of you that looked at him and was like uh-oh, he's focused?
When you looked at his hair oh no uh I yes, I looked at him.
I'm like he's focused, not because his hair wasn't calm.
I mean like uh listen, when you're, You're in the locker room, like getting ready to warm him up, you know, maybe with your coach and your partner going all over, sweating.
Yeah, I think the last thing that you think is your appearance, how you look.
Yeah, you know, if your hair is calm or if this is right, you know, at that moment, that's what you think about the less.
I have I wouldn't be surprised.
There was one moment that nobody asked, or I didn't see anybody ask you about in the post-fight press conference, but there was one moment in the fight that blew my fucking mind.
It was before you knocked him out, he hit you with a short right hand.
Yeah, I've seen him knock people out with that same shot.
I forget exactly who it is.
I don't know if it was Junior Dos Santos or somebody, but it was the same thing.
Fabricio Verdun.
It was Verdum.
It was Verdum.
That's right.
Verdum was kind of chasing him and it was around the side of the ring.
And he has his short right hand.
He hits you with it.
It looked like it looked like it hurt, but you kind of got your feet.
And the next punch you threw was the knockout left hook.
Were you stunned?
No, I wasn't stunned, but he hit me and I felt it.
And at that specific moment, like what went in my mind was like, okay, you get hit because you rush and you expose yourself.
And the old drill for the training camp was like, no, rush, calm down.
And that's even why that's like the most important thing that my team was there telling me.
Cameroon was there yelling like, relax, Francis, calm down, relax.
He was just yelling like, relax.
So when I get hit, I'm like, fuck, I'm doing something wrong.
Calm down.
You know, because I feel it.
I'm like, fuck.
I'm getting something wrong.
I'm like, okay, let's reset.
Then I was there, like, okay, let's reset.
Let's start all the way.
Let's start over.
Then he was just rushing on me.
Boom.
Then, boom, you know, so I was seeing him.
I was like, seeing him very well.
I'm like, well, I just take the shot.
But for me, I was just stopping to move forward.
Like, okay.
But he hits me with that shot.
I felt it like shit.
You know?
Yeah.
I also, even during training, we work on that.
Like, don't circle on his right because he's good at circle on his right and then sneak his right hand.
And when I get hit by that right hand, I'm like, damn, I get something wrong.
Something that we've been working on.
I'm like, okay, reset it.
Focus.
Did you, when he tried to take you down, and not only did he not take you down, but you reversed it on him, did you notice a difference in like his mindset?
Did he realize in that moment he was in there with a different Francis and Ganu?
Well, I think that should have, that was the case, but I didn't like really pay enough attention to focus.
I was just focused on my own mindset, trying to control what is going on in my mind, trying to control myself, not to escape what was the game plan and what I was supposed to do.
I was just focused on like, okay, yeah, you have 25 minutes.
Take your time.
Take it slow.
This is when you get the best out of yourself.
The best version is yourself comes out when you calm, you focus, you're this, you have a clear, that's a clear, clear, best version of yourself.
At that moment, I didn't really notice, but listen, I know that if he tries something, he's going to try.
And if he tries, I'm going to defend.
And I was even prepared, like, okay, I might defend and something might work, but I will still be able to defend myself from the bottom.
If I finally get my back on the canvas, I can reverse the situation.
And, you know, because yes, you might have the best takedown in the world, but it came always came some moment for some reason that you end up in the floor.
Not taking any credit to Stipe.
He has the ability to take anybody down, but you can still even slip on the canvas and yourself in the floor.
And from there, they won't restart the fight because you slip.
The fight is going to keep going and you're going to find your way out of there.
So I was training and prepared in case I get there.
Even though I don't want to get there, I'm like, okay, if ever I get there, the last time I went there, I went out.
I ran out of option.
If I get there now, what would be my option?
What would be, what can I do?
What is Stipe option if I'm down?
What would be my own option to reverse that?
What can I do?
And then practicing that.
So, man, listen, looking back to that fight, I realized that something happened to his mind at that specific moment that I stopped that takedown.
Pressure Beyond Yourself00:13:41
But being in there, I didn't think about it.
I only remember in the first round in the break time, I was sitting on the store and my coach was like, and Eric was like, hey, we beat this guy already.
Let's go there and have fun.
Really?
Wow.
Yeah.
I'm like, we beat this guy already.
Let's go there and have fun.
Because he knew.
He knew after seeing Stipe's.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, from the outside, he has a better option vision than me and was like thinking about it.
He knew.
Now, you are right now the biggest sports star, let's say, out of Cameroon, right?
When I was living in Spain, I lived in Barcelona.
And there is a soccer player, football player by name, Samuel Heto, who was a superstar.
Do you think that you are more popular in Cameroon now than Samuel Heto?
I think I'm just a new generation, not like I'm more popular.
And, you know, and that's how the sport moves.
Samuel, we today, we have two different status.
Samuel Leto is a legend, and I'm a up and coming.
Yeah, you're current.
No, like current, like upgoing athlete.
You know, you're a champion.
He's a legend.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm champion.
He's a legend.
You know, so he's still a status ahead of me, which makes sense.
And it's not comparable.
There's always legend when it comes to sport, and there's always champion.
When Samuel Leto was champion, there was a legend out there, such as Roger Miller and other players from the 90s.
And maybe 10 years from now, if I keep doing well, I will stand as a legend and someone will be champion.
And that doesn't take credit to anybody.
It's just, and it's not comparable.
It's just two different status.
My roommate, when I was in Barcelona, happened to be from Cameroon as well, right?
And he was telling me how important it was being from Cameroon, seeing Samuel Eto, and how influential that was.
And obviously, football is an incredibly popular sport, but so many more people wanted to go be Samuel Ato, and it seems possible because they saw him on TV.
Do you think now that happens with MMA in Cameroon or even throughout Africa now that Africa has three champions?
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, when Samuel Leto was playing, I was in Cameroon myself.
And I was dreaming about it myself, even though I wasn't playing soccer.
I never really, I mean, I like soccer.
He's our cultural and it's the most popular sport out there.
But he wasn't my thing.
You know, I never felt like, okay, this is what I want to do.
Right.
Even maybe because I wasn't good at it.
I mean, anyway, I wasn't good at it.
So I was just playing.
I was just good enough to play in town, have fun with friends sometimes, but that's it.
Not even to envision myself being professional.
But as far as combat sport, I always love combat sport.
Yes, by the time I was in Cameroon, see Samir Le To and everybody was dreaming about it.
It was inspiring people.
I always believed that I can be something not in soccer, but in boxing and maybe not his level, but at least get something done by my own because we all know where Samuel came from.
You know, he didn't come from like some rich family, some well-educated and classic family.
No, he came from the street, you know, from the like suburban, yeah, there's like that.
And today, it's been a year now that I've been going to Cameroon because at first, when I was talking about doing boxing in Cameroon, even my family, don't like shit, what the hell is that?
How can you possibly think that could be like a job or that could even be something that would happen?
Have you ever seen somebody did it?
I mean, those staff are just meant for people in Europe, in America.
But have you ever seen somebody in Africa achieve something like that?
I mean, for those few ones who have tried, he didn't go where.
And then even when you see them on TV, they are not doing good.
You know, even their house, they are just like living in the poverty.
And that was the, and that was the fact.
That was true.
It's not like they were making it up.
It was true.
But I love sports so much that I'm like, okay, maybe he didn't make it, but at least he's happy for the experience.
He enjoyed the process.
And he did what he liked.
And that's probably what I'm going to do.
At least I'm going to try.
And we don't have the same destiny.
Everyone has his own.
I don't know where it is going to end.
I do not believe at all that it's going to work.
But what I do believe, what I do know is I love it.
I want to do it.
I go for it.
And I don't do it halfway.
I don't do it lightly.
I do it very hard.
So in case it doesn't work, I can look at myself in the mirror.
Someday I'm like, well, at least I try.
I did my best and it didn't work.
Then I will be in peace with myself.
I think that was my vision.
That was my perception of it.
Like, I didn't truly, I believe in it, but there was a part of me who was looking in the reality.
It was like, okay, this is the reality.
How do you think it's going to happen?
Then I keep to answer that.
I'm like, if it doesn't happen, at least I enjoy.
I go for it.
I love this thing.
I have to do it when I have a chance, when I'm too young.
So, yeah.
So, even my family didn't believe that.
And they were looking for those people who was like doing like boxing and all this stuff.
They didn't have a good look about them.
They're just like, oh, they are stubborn.
They are gang.
They are this.
They have other attributes which is not good at all.
So then I just keep doing my thing, find my way, leaving Cameroon, went in France, trying.
Then they started seeing me on TV.
And all of a sudden it changed.
One in a while.
Then I started come back and those things become like very serious.
And people are like, what exactly is that?
Like four years ago, then I start like when I was building the foundation, I started to see like people and I'm like, I heard that you're building a foundation.
My son wants to be a fighter like you and this.
How can he do to attend?
I was just like surprised, like, whoa.
So you're not shocked that your son wants to be a fighter.
You're even looking how to help him because he makes sense for you today.
And it was very exciting talking about it.
And more and more, you know, people started to get interested about it.
And I think that's when I truly understand.
Like three years ago, when I lost my first title fight against TP, and I felt like shit, man.
I was here, like going to bed, didn't want the sun to rise the next day, feeling so bad.
But luckily, I have the clearance of mine to just book a next flight for Cameroon.
And then when I went in Cameroon, things changed.
Everything changed.
Yeah.
I went in Cameroon.
I didn't even know that then they was aware of what was going on.
Man, I was received as a rock star.
Wow.
Entire country.
Everybody was congratulating me.
They were so happy, so proud.
Like, good job, this.
Like, at some time, I had to stop and remind them, guys, I lost the fight.
I mean, you might get confused.
I lost the fight.
No, you didn't lost.
Like, where are you come from to even get there to expect that you lost the fight?
Just the fact that you get there, represent us.
We saw you with the flag in the top of the wall to challenge for the war title, something that nobody believed that it could have happened.
We couldn't even expect that.
You did it on your own, and you say you lost.
How come you lost?
You make us proud.
And hey, listen, I was seeing those grammar who doesn't even know how to read or to write.
They were just looking, seeing me.
I'm like, hey, son.
Francis, I think we lost you.
There we go.
It was good.
Okay.
I think that was John Jones trying to interrupt the interview, man.
Okay.
You were in the middle of telling us about how well you were received when you went back to Cameroon for the first time, right?
And these people are so proud of you for the achievement of even getting there because they know how far you had to go.
Have you seen the video of people in Cameroon reacting to the knockout?
Absolutely.
Listen, we have a video from every city.
Crazy.
Like they record a video.
I'm waiting for some of those that are going to send out a video from different cities from people's reaction.
Man, and because we knew that it's going to be crazy.
And I'm like, okay, guy, we should find a way to have this on page because it's so amazing.
And we have some stuff.
That was special.
There was also a video, a good buddy of ours, Israel Adesania, was watching with his family out in New Zealand.
And they went fucking crazy.
Crazy.
Yeah, yeah.
He sent me that video too.
I mean, yeah, that's got to feel so good.
Like coming from this place where you thought nobody believed in you, and now it looks like the entire world is tied into your success.
It's got to feel pretty good, huh?
Yeah, man.
They feel really good, really great.
But at the meantime, you have this pressure on your shoulders that you realize that, you know, it's not just about you anymore.
You have to do everything right now because it's not, as I said before, it's not for you.
It's not on your level anymore.
It's beyond, way more beyond you.
You know, because today a lot of people look at you, look as an example.
And even though, yeah, you might say, oh, I didn't sign up for this, but guess what?
You are the man.
As some people were a model for you, you have to be a perfect model for others.
And this means even if you have to adjust something, compromise something sometimes in order to get it right, you know, to impact some lives, if that can impact some lives, then you won't take that much on you.
So, yeah, it's amazing.
So, how do you plan on carrying that extra pressure?
Boxing Dreams Ahead00:10:23
Because that's pretty overwhelming when you feel like the whole country is invested in you.
How do you plan on carrying that pressure?
Well, the good thing is, right here, everything is kind of like central, central, central in the same place.
Do your best.
Work hard.
Do everything that you can to give the best results.
And as long as you do that, I think everything will be okay.
Yeah, it's a really interesting thing because the fight that most people are talking about, you even mentioned it afterwards.
And I thought you were very graceful to John.
You said, I think John Jones is the best ever in mixed martial arts.
And people talk about the John Jones fight.
From what he tweeted, it didn't seem like he wanted to fight you.
It seemed like he wanted to make money getting knocked out by you.
Because he didn't say, let's fight.
He just goes, show me the money.
Yes, maybe because he has talked about this fight.
He had talked about this fight before and didn't see the money.
Listen, I think John Jones has been there for so long time and has had many title fights, but I think if this fight happens, it's going to be the biggest for him.
Such as for me.
Of course.
You know, I believe that this is going to be a mega fight, huge fight.
So, and we all are doing this in order to one day, with expectations, one day have a payday, you know, the mega payday.
And if something comes together to like make this mega fight, so it's just normal to ask for to have a payday because it's not like you're asking for something irrational.
You're just asking for your own small cut from the revenue that the fight that you're making is going to generate.
Basically, if you are the man who stands as a good and make the fight bigger, I think it's right in his position.
Yeah, it's what when you go into a fight with Jones, let's say you're going to fight Jones.
What do you see are your advantages over him right now?
Listen, I think the best way for me to approach this fight is not to think, it's just to think that I have already disadvantaged over John Jones.
I think this would be the best way for me to get ready to prepare myself into this fight.
So what would be some of those things that you think, I need to, I'm always improving.
Now, what do you improve if you want to fight John Jones?
What do you got to work on?
Everything.
As I said, I'm going to work on everything.
I'm going to keep working on my grappling.
I'm going to keep working on my wrestling.
And I'm going to keep working on my striking.
I'm going to keep working on my conditioning as well.
So I'm going to work on everything.
I'm going to keep working on my mental game.
All the aspects that if a fight can request, I'm going to be working on that because we are talking of someone who has been there for such a long time.
I mean, even though he's very John and I, we are almost the same age, but he's been here even in the USA almost 10 years before me.
And he's been in the sport for his entire life.
So, the experience that he has over me is so there's such a big gap between our experience that I need to compensate that we just will work.
So, I don't think like right now, I have a right to stay there and think that I have an advantage on something over John Jones and over any one of us anyway.
What about a potential fight with Derek Lewis again?
You guys think that you would do that?
Yeah, that would be the I mean, in the normal world, if it wasn't about the John Jones fight, I think the Derek Lewis fight would be the perfect fight for me next.
First of all, I had a rematch.
We have this fight that we never really did it, neither for us, neither for the fans.
You know, I lost against him, but not because I didn't fight well, not because I didn't, it was better, but just because I didn't fight.
So, we have this.
I have this thing that I need to fix back.
And he's a legit contender right now.
And my goal as a champion now is to keep the heavyweight division moving.
You know, the heavyweight division has been stuck for so long.
So, and I was a victim, a direct victim of that.
So, I decided to do my own do-weight differently.
So, now that you're a champ, you're saying you're going to be active?
I'm going to be active.
As I said, I will be ready by July, August.
I'm ready to fight twice this year again.
Wow.
I love it.
I love it.
Now, I don't know if you've been following.
I know that you're obviously a fan of boxing.
Have you been following this fight between Jake Paul and Ben Askrin?
Well, I heard about that, but they've been following.
I don't think it's enough.
No.
I don't think it's something that would cause my attention at that point.
You know, I follow the heavyweight division mostly.
And yeah, I've been waiting for this Joshua and Fury.
It's going to take place sometime soon.
Now, would you think?
Oh, no, first of all, who do you think wins?
Fury or Joshua?
Fury was good.
Fury, right?
I can't fully say Fury because this fight can go either way.
You know, of course, Shuri has the ability.
He has the technical skill.
He has the skill to keep the fight to the decision.
But Joshua also has what to keep.
He can stop the fight anytime.
You know, so it's either way.
50-50.
Wow.
You say 50-50.
I think this is an easy.
I think this is the easy fight for Tyson Fury.
I think this is.
I think this is easy.
I think since Joshua lost, since he's lost against Reese, people kind of like slip over him and kind of like really forget who he or who he was before that fight.
And Just trying to think about Joshua before that fight and uh match him up against uh uh titan fury.
Now, you know that people are gonna ask you to fight Tyson Fury if he wins.
You know, people are gonna go, I want to see Francis Nganu fight Tyson Fury if Tyson beats Joshua and Francis beats John Jones.
Would you ever box potentially in the future?
Heavyweight title in MMA and boxing.
Obviously, obviously, let's go.
You have to uh, you have to remember that uh, my whole dream uh in my entire life, and that's what even led me here, was boxing.
I didn't know MMA until like eight six years and a half, it uh no, seven or seven, seven years or eight years ago when I went in France.
I didn't have any idea about MME, it was all about boxing, so I still have this dream inside me, even though uh, I get uh DVA by uh MMA who gave me the opportunity that I didn't uh have at that time.
So, but I still have this dream that needs to be like accomplished one day, so I would definitely at some point get to boxing.
I mean, that would be unbelievable to have the UFC champion also be the heavyweight boxing champion of the world.
Wow, that would be the greatest combat sport athlete in history, undeniable, maybe the greatest athlete you could argue.
Wow, yeah, I mean, um, that sounds unreal, but it's something that I might chase for him for anyway.
Greatest Athlete Ever00:02:11
I'm aiming something like that.
Oh, I love it!
I love it.
Look, we don't want to take too much of your time, but I do want to ask: can we see the belt?
It's right here, baby, yeah, it's right here.
Gotta love it, gotta love it.
But listen, Francis, thank you so much for taking the time, man.
We really appreciate you.
We're huge supporters of you, and uh, we will be there at the next fight.
Um, what were you saying, Mark?
No, no, we could get a picture with him.
Oh, yeah, can we get a picture with you?
We're gonna stand next to the screen, so you just stay right there, and then we'll be next to the team.
Okay, you're the man, thank you so much, Francis.
We're rooting for you, brother.
You go out there, man.
Keep doing great stuff, very inspiring.
Yeah, it was an honor, man.
Okay, thank you guys.
I appreciate you.
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Now let's get back to this.
What's up, everybody?
And we're back.
Great chopping it up with the king right now, the heavyweight king.
Bad motherfucker.
And what a sweet guy.
Doug, just humble, humble by life.
And you know what?
I'd be really nice, too, if I knew I could beat up every human on the planet.
Yeah, you got nothing to prove.
Yeah.
Like now I got it like, hey, fuck you.
I'll call for you about my podcast.
You know what I mean?
Like when you can beat up literally every human, there's not a human on the planet he can be like.
Usain Bolt is the fastest human.
Right.
And he's the most deadly human.
Yeah.
What a crazy thing to be.
Yeah.
He's the alpha.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you don't have a gun, go.
Like, don't fight me.
That's true.
That's the only thing that could beat me is a gun.
Gun or sword.
Also, we did think about, since, you know, Francis is not an avid listener or watcher of the Flaring 2 podcast.
And we did realize right before we started the interview that we have two machetes and a gold-plated fucking AK-47 just sitting here on the table.
Drinking out of bullet water bottles.
And I sincerely hope that he didn't think we put this here to make him feel nostalgic.
You know, this was not about that at all.
This is what the table looks like every single day.
Anyway, let's get into it.
Lil Nas X, the king, bro.
Man, this motherfucker did it again.
This is the black gay Tommy Larin.
Yo.
Lil Nas X is black gay Tommy Laron.
This is outrage culture manipulated to a T, and he is brilliant.
And Tommy Laron would piss off like black women and black Twitter, right?
Yep.
And Lil Nas X knows perfectly how to piss off conservative Christians.
And the important part of that is when you piss them off, it just blows your shit up.
Exactly.
And then you get bigger than ever.
And they're a monolith.
They all think the same way.
Now, when I'm saying they, I'm not talking about every fucking Christian, conservative Christian, but there is a body of them that think the same way about things.
And when they get enraged, they fucking go.
Now, there's a few things with Lil Nas X right now.
Which one are you talking about specifically?
I'm talking about the sneaker.
But I'm also talking about the video.
Oh, the timing was, this is a package.
Yeah.
He knows what.
If you really want to look at it, his first video went at Christian conservatives' favorite genre of music.
Yeah, that's a good point.
An amazing genre of music, by the way.
An absolutely amazing one.
A genre of music, I don't know, that might be taken over soon.
And not by a gay black.
By a gay white.
Maybe we give him a little snippet later.
Maybe not.
We'll see.
But so basically he put out this music video.
I think it's called Montero Montero.
I think that's his first name.
Yeah.
Montero.
And wild music video.
We can get to that in a second.
But he also put out a sneaker.
And he, I guess he linked up with this brand called, I imagine it's supposed to be Mischief, but MSCH.
Yeah.
Right.
And they put together the sneaker, and it's like a Satan Air Max, right?
There's one drop of human blood in it.
There's all, there's a pentagram.
There's an upside-down cross.
There's all these things that would really piss off Mark.
Mark came in here fucking heated today.
I wore my white Air Max.
You have to dial some bad.
Exactly.
There's one drop of coming every day.
From Ice.
The rest of the drops are in Mark.
No, there's a.
So basically, I guess Christian Twitter went crazy.
Yes.
So much so that Nike had to issue a statement saying that they were not part of this collab.
The collab was with Mischief and Lil Nas X. Right.
But that's hilarious that Nike had to actually speak on the issue.
Of course.
And that Nike, and I guess, how do Christians feel about child labor?
Like, how do they feel about that?
Like, is that devilish a little bit to make child slaves so biblical, bro?
Yeah.
Was it?
I don't think kids had jobs back in the day.
They were getting pregnant at like 12 back in the day.
Whatever, bro.
You old enough.
13, dude.
Okay, you're right.
The Jews established the age.
12, they look at you like a weirdo, but 13.
You were an adult, right, Dove?
You're a man.
That's it.
Yeah.
13.
There's a lot of Middle Eastern slavery in the Bible.
And so I guess they're okay.
I can't imagine that they were like, you know what?
18 is the cutoff for slavery in the Bible.
You know what I mean?
I bet you there were some child slaves in the Bible.
Yeah.
Probably, huh?
Huh, Dove?
Just to get into the crevasses.
Little bodies.
Anywho, they're absolutely pissed off about this shit.
And I think it's like, I think it really speaks more to the fact that there's nothing going on.
Like when Christians start getting upset about devil shit, you know, life is good.
Yeah, it's the 90s again, baby.
We're in the 90s or was it the 80s?
Was it 90s?
Satanic panic?
Satanic panic?
Probably, probably 90s.
But it always happens when like everything's boring.
Yeah.
When everything's boring and there's no like, oh, we're worried about the wall or worried about a race war in America.
We're worried about there's literally nothing pissing people off on social media.
Then Christians go, the devil's bad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right?
Then Marilyn Manson, who ended up being kind of dead.
Yo, whenever Christians are right about some shit, I think they need to come out later on and be like, yeah, they don't do that.
I told you so enough.
You know what?
I told you so enough.
Because they're waiting for their big I told you so when Jesus comes back.
So they just keeping it all in the pocket.
Because right now they say, I told you so.
They'd be like, really, Doug?
Where Jesus?
That's great.
And if you didn't believe them about that one, they got to run through the list of other shit they're right about before you get to heaven.
Oh, yeah.
You got to admit you were wrong about every single thing that they said was going to happen.
They're like, they're going to force us to get vaccines.
We're like, shut up, dummies.
Now you can't even go back to New York unless you get vaccinated.
So how do we feel?
What are we thinking?
What is Lil Nas X?
Is he a genius?
Does he figure out outrage cultures?
This is the genius.
The genius is he took a song that it's fine.
Yeah.
Like Old Town Road or whatever.
That shit slack.
This is fine.
Yeah.
But it don't matter.
It's going to do crazy numbers because of the outrage behind it.
32 million already.
I just saw the motherfucker.
That shit is gay.
That shit is gay.
Joyna Lucas was at him like, hey, man, what the fuck?
My kids are seeing this.
He's getting tweeted.
Wait, he said that?
He tweeted.
He was like, yo, man, you didn't put a fucking disclaimer up or nothing?
No, son.
Joyna Lucas, your kids are gay, bro.
You got some gay ass kids just watching gay porn on YouTube all day.
Lil Nas X. That's your kids.
He responded with something like, Old Town Road is about adultery and doing drugs or some shit like that.
You don't have a problem with that.
Was he doing the adultery and the drugs in the video?
That's the thing.
Another dude's abdomen, and he was grinding on the devil.
The licking of the neck was what I was like, yo.
I thought it was his abdomen.
No, he'd be licking the damn.
He did both, but technically, I think he played all the characters.
So he's kind of just both.
Oh, that's fine.
Oh, he played.
He played all the characters.
How was he dancing on himself?
I mean, body double for some of the parts, like the stomach and shit like that.
But if you look at the face, it's him on all.
Yo, Al.
It's a little racist fan.
Yeah.
Those are different black guys.
Those are different black guys.
They weren't.
That's insulting, bro.
It wasn't.
Was it really the same?
Yeah, it's him.
Well, all of a sudden, y'all look different, huh?
Which is progress.
There we go.
Point is, I guess it's less gay if you're just doing it to yourself on body doubles, but is it?
I don't know, bro.
Can't we just be a little taken aback?
Because this is, we haven't seen this before.
We heard songs with drug use and adultery.
This is the first time I've seen a dude twerking on Satan in a video.
Yeah.
So it's just new.
It's just new.
I don't even care about the Satan thing.
Like, if, yeah, yeah, I don't care about the Satan thing.
Like, the same thing didn't bother me at all because I don't really believe in it.
Yeah.
You know, like, I believe in heaven because it might be there, but I'm not going to believe in Satan.
I'm not going to believe in hell.
What's the point of that?
Like, you're just going to believe the good stuff.
Yeah.
Like, if I don't believe in it all, I might as well just pick the good shit and be like, maybe I'll go there.
That's a valid point.
Yeah.
Because if you believe you're a Christian.
Yeah.
That's why I'm so pissed off by this motherfucker, dude.
Yeah, because if you don't believe it, if you don't believe in hell and then you go there, then you can believe it when you're there.
You know what I mean?
You're like, I'm all right, I'm here.
I'm going to call it heaven.
You're not going to tell me what it is.
Uh-huh.
Perception is reality.
Exactly.
Suck it, Satan.
Suck it.
He's ready to.
Yeah.
As Lil Nas X, he's ready.
Yo, honestly, why aren't Christians agreeing with this video?
Because he's saying the devil's gay and they're like, gay people go to hell.
And he sent himself to hell.
This is the most Christian song when you think about it.
This kind of Christian is a Christian-ass song.
It's what the hell are you upset about?
Dudes twerking on dudes.
Where should that be?
According to y'all.
Oh, there you go.
Hell.
Video belongs in church, as far as I'm concerned.
Al, I'm not Christian.
I don't give a fuck.
Yes, you are.
Yes, you are.
How do you feel about this, Mark?
Bro, I would say he did it right.
According to the book.
Well, actually, I think that's what he said the video was about.
He was like, this is me making response to all the people that told me to go to hell for being gay.
He's like, conservative Twitter says that I'm going to hell.
They tell me to go to hell.
So fine, I'll show you what hell's like.
Can I just ask a question about that?
Like, do you need to tell him to go to hell?
Like, isn't that already going to happen?
Yeah, why?
Like, why?
You don't need to tell him that.
Why are you telling somebody?
Yeah, why are you doing God's job for him?
Yeah.
I guess you don't have to say that.
That's blasphemy.
You ain't God's secretary.
That's a good point.
Sending messages back and forth from God.
Who the fuck are you?
Do your regular job.
God over here, like, I got it.
I'm God.
Yeah.
I'm going to send his ass here.
I wrote a whole book.
What the fuck do you need to tell him for?
Yeah, it is a little bit much.
Like, there's a bunch of fucking teachers' pets.
That's what these like.
There really are these like Christian conservatives.
They're fucking teachers' pets.
Yeah.
God, look.
Somebody's fagging about on the internet.
I'm not religious at all, right?
So I don't have any religious backing that's pushing me into believing something is right or wrong or sexy or not sexy.
Yeah.
Right?
But when I see Lil Nas X lick what looks like a dude's stomach, your brain is still adjusting.
Sam, it's cilantro.
It's cilantro, dogs.
I want to like cilantro.
I don't want to be the guy at the Mexican restaurant that's like, can you not have cilantro?
Like, I feel like a complete herb.
Yeah.
So I want to watch him lick the abdomen and be like, that's hot, bro.
Like, that shit is fire.
Yeah.
But in my mind, I'm like, this tastes like soap.
It tastes like I'm eating soap right now.
You don't think cilantro is less of a vegetable?
It's not.
Arugula.
It's more.
I can't handle it.
It's so dominant, I can't handle it.
It's a better vegetable than all the other vegetables, celery, that's nothing.
I eat that as water.
It's nothing.
Cilantro, I need to stop.
I need to take it out.
I need to like this, like a fucking pussy, bro.
Yeah.
So I'm a pussy when it comes to that shit.
Fair enough.
So what you're saying is dick is so good, you can't handle it.
Yeah, son.
If I watch him lick an abdomen again, bro, I'm going to start beating off, shooting it up in the air, catching in my mouth.
What?
What, Al?
Al, what, dude?
Can we make that a clip right there?
Bro, make that.
Are you trying to act like you never did that?
You never threw yourself out The backbone off the you cashing it back in your neck like that NIKE commercial.
You gotta do that.
You gotta pull a Ronaldo bro, shoot it up in the air, catch it back, let it roll down one side, throw it out, grab it out the air.
It's nothing, it's light work and that's what I'm gonna do if I keep on watching.
It's a Scooby snack and let me tell you something, I, Yaba Dabba Dabba Doo want him to lick some more belly buttons.
Yaba Dabba Doo, bro, just fucking idiot.
Hey, whatever.
It's the same shit as cartoons.
I never watched him, bro.
I was busy watching gay sex as a kid.
Like Joyner Lucas' children.
You know what I mean?
Joyner got to sit down with his kids and ask them why they so gay at a young age.
Just watching dudes kiss bellies all fucking day.
31 million of those views come from Joyner Lucas's household.
Oh man.
Yaba Dabba Dew is the full seven.
I thought the Yaba Dabba Doo was Scooby-Doo Doo, but it's Scooby-Dooby-Doo.
Where are you?
Probably looking at gay guys kissed.
Yo, dude, Scooby, bro.
Nobody wants to talk about what Shaggy was doing with Scooby.
Nobody wants to talk about that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nobody wants to talk about Shaggy shit in his mouth, too.
Facts.
Facts.
When the lipstick is shit, that's what they call them in the back of that van.
Facts, facts.
A couple of facts.
A couple of fiats.
I think it was a fiat van that they were driving.
Matter of fact.
But for real, nobody ever saw that episode, right?
When Scooby's little pink dick came out, right?
When that Revlon, when that little Revlon came out, the rocket, the red rocket, that Andrew Santino shot up the tick.
Yo, nobody ever want to talk about that.
And Shaggy was like, oh, let me put that away for you.
Shaggy said, let me put that away.
Right?
Nobody ever wants to talk about that.
I missed that episode.
You did miss that episode.
I got it on DVR if you want to see it.
You know who else?
Joyner Lucas's kids probably got that one saved as well.
Yo, why Joyner Lucas?
Why is Joyner Lucas out in his kids, bro?
Let them come out when they want.
Like, that's disrespectful to your kid.
Like, why you could, yo, my kids watch gay shit all the time.
At least let them know.
They know.
Sexy ass little Nas X with his thick ass lips.
Yo, Lil Nas X is.
He got some nice lips.
He cutie, yo.
Nah, he could polish off a pinish.
Yo, he could.
He could, bro.
He got great skin, probably from getting cumbed on all the time.
That's what they say is the best thing for your skin, bro.
Yo, got a lot better here in Miami.
It did.
I've been coming all over my skin.
Dude, look at Dub's hands.
Dove got the softest hands west of the Nile.
Dove help with that.
What do you say?
Yeah, from the lotion, bro.
Nah, from his own lotion.
Yeah.
That motherfucker jerks off on his hands, rubs it in.
Word?
Oh, fire.
100%, dude.
100%.
Nah, your hands be bad.
No, his hit.
No, your hands are rough today.
They're clammy from this conversation right now.
Really?
Bro.
By the way, the song's called Call Me By Your Name.
Which part made you the most nervous?
Was it the word getting used multiple times?
Whoa, dude.
Whoa, dude.
What happened?
Whoa, dude.
You just use a crazy word.
We don't use that word.
When I say I think you said, hey, we're old school today.
Yo, we really are.
Is this Patreon?
No, it's not.
We're really acting like we got nothing to lose.
Dude, you know that I got Lil Nas X coming in here, bro.
Sucking on flamingo beaks.
Yo, that motherfucker be sucking on flamingo beaks.
That's his new video, Al.
Yo, for real.
You never seen that?
You ever seen, bro?
You never seen Lil Nas X suck on a fucking toucan beak, bro?
Putting the fruit.
Are you trying to say he's sucking on a cockatoo?
Oh my god.
I just think he's about to suck the cockatoo, bro.
Oh my god.
Or three or four, Mark.
You never know how many.
Shout out to Lil Nas X. We're talking about you on the biggest podcast on the planet.
Lil Nas X Vibe Check00:03:51
You know what I mean?
You did it.
You know how to rile up the conservative Christians.
Yeah, yo, we're a conservative Christian podcast.
When you think about it.
Yeah, we got one.
We got one conservative Christian right there.
Alex.
Yep.
I was a conservative Christian, bro.
You also could be considered a conservative Christian.
Yeah.
He got Jesus tattooed on his arm.
Did you get Jesus on your arm?
I got my hero.
Who's your hero?
Your Wancy.
Cotton.
Wow.
What did he say?
What did he say?
Cosby.
Cosmy.
I'm just thinking about heroes, dog.
I just think about heroes, yo.
Akash was wearing the cop.
What was the university that he's wearing his Hillman University sweatshirt?
Yeah.
Which isn't even a real school.
It's literally just the school Cosby sent his daughter to.
And a different world.
And he was wearing that shit for like a good three years after the cock.
I still wear it.
It's just hot.
You're a wild boy for that, son.
You're a wild.
Yo, Akash is a wild boy, bro.
Yeah, man.
Son, I don't know about Miami Akash.
This guy's on a different level.
I think that he got a new shirt and you could tell it's dude because it's still got all the foals from a user though.
I should have Christmas.
Chris in his back.
I respect it, though.
I respect that.
Let me tell you something.
This is brand new.
I know.
I can tell.
You think I'm going to take the steamer to a brand new shirt?
Son, what's going on?
Undershirt.
I've been raised.
I don't know if it's an Indian thing.
That's what I was always told to do.
It's a t-shirt.
You're wearing a button-down t-shirt.
Just take out the undershirt.
Let that chest breathe.
You're Miami.
Look at his little...
Al got his little, what is it?
What is it?
Cat food?
What is it called?
Oh, my taco meat.
Taco meat.
Belittling.
You got to say it, dog.
You don't know what it is.
You say it, you go with it, and you keep moving.
But sometimes you got to bring out the title.
Yeah, you got that fancy feast, bro.
Lil Nas X got a cat tongue, though.
He had some traction when he was lifting that ass for it, bro.
I was, dude.
Lil Nas X cute, bro.
He is cute, though.
You got to get a little Nascu on the podcast because he cute.
He cute.
He got nice.
He's cute, yo.
Yeah, he got the fatty.
He's going to get mad jealous when he walks in here.
I won't.
He's going to get that jealous.
He got a fatter ass than you, too.
Oh, my God.
You got to have a twerking cat.
You're going to maybe really twerk on Lil Nas X when he gets in here.
Oh, without a doubt.
Both of y'all twerking on Andrew the Devil.
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Now, let's get back to other things happening.
The Suez Canal blockage.
That shit is finally free.
Finally, free.
I think Lil Nasitz licked it and then was able to move the boat.
Lil Nas X came over there and he licked the end of the boat and it just jimmied free or shimmied or whatever.
And now the boat is free, and now we can, you know, have trade again.
Yo, shouts to the goats.
Shout out to y'all.
Yo, Egypt, y'all can't have any responsibilities anymore.
I think we're done with that.
No.
Yeah.
Wait, who runs the canals?
Egypt, son?
Egypt.
I mean, the Jews took it over for like a week once.
It's like an Airbnb.
They Airbnb'd that shit.
They really did.
You did have it for about seven days.
We had it.
Then we took that Sinai Peninsula and then they gave it back, which is historical.
So it's back in Egypt's hands, right?
I'm just really proud of your history.
I know my shit.
He knows history.
It's really annoying.
I love history, man.
It's worked out for us.
Yeah.
Okay.
So everybody made a big deal about this fucking boat being stuck.
Can y'all explain to me why they couldn't just move this fucking boat?
I don't know.
This shit was big.
When it drifted, just put a little bit more water, get the water higher, and then you can move it.
It's a lot of water to raise the whole fucking canal.
They had to dredge out 60 feet deep.
It still wouldn't jimmy-free.
I mean, it was the boat on its side, it is longer than the width.
So when it was in, it went in.
But all the means of it, one bulldozer was sent first before.
Yeah, they need Francis and Ghana to go push it.
They really did.
Bust free real quick.
You know what's crazy, though?
That apparently, like every day, it costs like $9 billion.
That's crazy.
Who's paying that?
I don't know.
Yo, they be saying shit like that.
I think that's just when the company's losses or whatever.
They have livestock on those boats.
I mean, they have everything.
And now you have to also send those boats around Africa.
Just because we're of color.
You're going to call it livestock.
That was fucking racist.
That was wild, bro.
That was super racist.
Cows.
Ghosts.
Wow.
That is super racist.
How else are you supposed to get them Chinese kids we adopt over here, dog?
Hold on, hold on.
I'm going to lob you guys up.
Send them a fucking back.
It's Egypt, and it happened during Passover.
Come on, comedians.
Go.
Oh, go.
Yeah, I'm going to pass over them jokes.
My dubby.
What an odd setup that was.
We don't get it, dude.
What are you talking about?
Egypt gave Jesus safe haven.
You don't remember that?
When he was in, we gave him a safe haven, bro.
He knows.
I don't have to.
No, he knows.
I went to the synagogue where he was chilling.
Him and Mary.
Shacked up.
That's his mom, yo.
Yeah.
Yeah, they were shacked up, bro.
You can't be shacked up with your mom, bro.
Joe, Mary.
It's a different relationship.
Yo, son, Joey and Mary.
Joey and Mary was shacked up, and Jesus was there too.
How jealous do you think Joe was of Jesus that he was in that pussy for he was?
I would be looking at you your whole life, like, you little motherfucker.
You better be God's son.
You better be God's son.
Otherwise, I'm going to beat your ass.
Yo, that's crazy.
The first time he saw Mary's pussies was when Jesus came out.
Yeah.
Just winking at him and shit.
Wow.
Wow.
The disrespect, dude.
Yeah.
Joe, kind of a simp.
Motherfucker, a super simp, dog.
Is he not a super simp?
Motherfucker, your wife gets pregnant.
You ain't even smash.
You know what I mean?
Three homies show up when she's giving birth.
Do you know what I'm saying?
You ain't asking no questions.
Yeah, you're not like, yo, who are y'all?
How you know?
Oh, you guys, the doctor?
They're like, nah.
We just here to watch.
Hey, tell your wife, split her legs open.
We're here to watch.
That's crazy.
We're not going to talk about that.
Conservative Christians, y'all not going to explain that one a little bit.
Oh, shit.
Mark.
Mark?
What?
They just going to show up.
Sit in the fucking bleachers.
He's a secure man.
Huh?
He's a secure guy.
How?
Joseph.
No, that guy is the ultimate secure dude.
Unbelievable security.
Yeah, exactly.
Or fucking retarded, bro.
Or genuinely retarded, bro.
Like, people, I was talking to Theo on his podcast about this.
Like, you know how there's like an IQ number that makes you retard?
Yeah, like 90 or 80.
Whatever.
Like, LSA is 80.
There are people that are 81 that just walking around.
Right.
That doesn't concern anybody.
Right?
Like, like, midget is 4'11.
Five foot isn't midget, but we're still looking at them like, man, come on, bring my midget ass.
My sister's five foot.
I still call her a midget.
No, you don't.
She looks way taller than five feet, bro.
Five foot.
Oh, my God.
That's amazing.
Anyway, point is there are retard midgets.
Yeah.
Right?
This episode is crazy.
It is crazy, bro.
It is crazy.
We had just incredibly uplifting, inspirational story from Francis and Ganu.
And then the back half of it is.
We got to balance it out.
We are balancing it out.
Okay?
We're balancing it out.
Yo, what's wrong, buddy?
Motherfucker is sweating, bro.
He is.
John's sweating.
He's the most Jewish I've ever seen him.
The anxiety.
Look, guys.
Point is.
I love when we go off the rails.
It's been a long time since we gone off the rails.
We got it.
But my favorite thing is we go off the rails and then you try to go, all right, guys.
The point is, like, there's a point to any of it.
There is a point, bro.
That Suez Canal.
We got to take it back, man.
We got to take it back.
Yo, son, we used to let Egypt think that they could choose their leader, right?
They made some bad choices.
Then we got up in there.
We're like, uh-uh-uh.
And this is the reason why.
Yeah.
Is because you can't control your shit.
You can't control it.
Sorry, Egypt.
We got to step in again now.
Keep that Suez running.
We don't even have Panama, though.
We don't even have the Panama Canal.
What do you mean we don't have the Panama Canal?
It's not ours, right?
Who's got it?
We gave it back to Panama.
Come on, Mark.
I'm pretty sure we did.
That's just a PR move.
They know what time it is.
Let them try to close that.
Let us show up with a boat and they're like, nah, you can't pass.
Alex laugh.
No can pass.
America.
You about to be part of Guatemala if this shit don't open.
Put some respect on my laugh.
Yo, you got the greatest laugh in history, dog.
Yo, Alex, when we were doing this hypothetical country song that we might play or we might not play, it's a banger certified.
I have a feeling we're going to play it.
Yeah, we definitely play it.
Who's listening intense?
We've listened to it seven times before the episode.
Oh, yes, I just love it.
It's such a great song.
But we asked Alex, like, yo, we need your laugh in it.
And Al couldn't recreate his own laugh.
What the fuck, yo?
Son, it's involuntary.
He literally was like, Tahoe.
Like a fucking clown nose.
Tahoe.
That's it.
That's all you gotta do.
Okay, fine.
I just begin my feelings hurt at the first part and not here in the second.
Al laughs like an 81 IQ, motherfucker.
He got that five-foot laugh.
Come on, bro.
We got to meet an 81.
If you got it just above retard IQ, please holler at us.
We need to interview an 81, dog.
You don't think you know an 81?
You don't think so?
No, personally?
Like, it's my friend?
Yeah.
81?
Yeah, 80 to 100.
No, no.
I thought 100 is lit.
That's a great IQ.
I thought it was the best you could get.
I thought it was 0 to 100.
The fuck are we going over 100 for?
100 is average, I think.
What?
I think it goes up to like 140 is genius, right?
Why wouldn't it go to 100?
We all got gifts.
It goes higher than 140.
81 created this test.
It's just like Fahrenheit, bro.
It's like Fahrenheit.
Because there's no limit to the IQ.
I don't think so.
Over 145 is highly gifted.
What's the highest IQ that's ever existed?
That's fire, fire quick.
Over 180, so probably.
What's Alex Jones' IQ?
Alex Jones got the highest IQ in history, dog.
300 easy.
300 easy.
Like his cholesterol.
Alex Jones' cholesterol and IQ the same.
The same exact number.
What's the highest IQ, Dub?
Someone named Anan Celeste Callway with a score of 263.
Because he was hoping he'd be a Jewish person.
He was hoping it would be a good idea.
He looks a little disappointed now.
Callaway, they're like, what?
Look at him.
He doesn't believe it.
You don't believe it, huh?
Don't buy it.
How much is it?
Put some respect.
We got an Edith Stern coming in over 200.
Come on.
Hi, Edith.
Some woman?
Yeah, come on, some woman, bro.
What does she end up being?
What did she end up being a chef?
Now you try to recreate it.
He don't know how to laugh anymore.
We literally stole Alex's laugh.
Wait, wait.
Well, first of all, it's the highest dub.
What was it?
263?
263.
That's fucking crazy, dog.
But remember something.
It was founded by a psychologist named the actual IQ scoring, William Stern.
Of course, y'all do the best.
I don't even believe the IQ test no more, dude.
Yeah.
But also, you guys are just in charge of the test.
It's like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're an administrator.
How are you in charge of the test and you don't even have the top score on it?
Yeah.
That's kind of trash.
That's like owning a bank, bro.
Like, you guys control all the stuff going in and out.
Yeah.
I just want to take some royalties.
I'm just saying that's not fair.
Of course, Jews are going to do the highest.
What is the test on?
Like, how many times you could change your table at a restaurant?
How do you have high?
How do you have a high?
What's like the third question?
Just give me the third question on the IQ test.
How many times your mom calls to ask if you're okay when you're sick?
I'm going to give you a couple questions right now.
Yeah, give me some IQ questions.
Hopefully, I do better than my Wonderlick.
Yeah, Wonderlick is with Lil Nas X did the guy in music video.
Yeah, you got an 81.
That shit's a Wonderlick.
All right, give me some questions.
All right.
Do you remember his Wonderlick when he was like taking mad time entry?
I thought I bodied it, dog.
I genuinely thought I bodied it, bro.
They're multiple choice, and you gotta.
Dove, just ask the question, dude.
Which number should come next in the pattern?
37?
Five.
34, 31, 28.
37, 34, 31.
I swear to God, dog.
28.
I mean, it's the simplest thing in the world.
40.
25.
No, no, I understand.
Everyone was three less.
So what's his IQ based off your assessment, though?
Bad pressure to answer questions.
That's a lot when your friends think you're dumb.
Yeah, four smarts.
You can't get it out.
You can't laugh anymore, dude.
That's crazy.
It'll come back.
It'll come back.
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Okay, guys, there's serious things that we have to talk about.
It's White Boy Summer, man.
Yo, you're right.
Yo, are we?
Congrats, dog.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
I've been working hard for this.
Are we going to allow Chet Hanks to dictate anything?
If not, Chet Hanks, then who?
Keep going.
I mean, listen, this is the white boy of white boys.
He is the heir to the white boy throne.
Who's America's white boy?
Thomas Hanks.
That's a great point.
Who is the only relevant son?
Chet.
Wait, he has another son?
Colin.
Oh, shit.
He's a good actor.
Colin is the Tom Hanks of Tom Hanks's sons.
You know?
Like, everything about him is so Tom Hanks.
He's so Tom Hanks.
Chet over here on some white boy shit.
Chet broke free, dog.
He really broke free.
Yeah, he knows why the cage bird sings.
You can't contain Chet Hanks.
I saw what you did right there.
Hey.
Was that the Tom Hanks movie?
No, it was a black ass book, dude.
Come on.
Oh, it was a book?
Yeah.
How did you see what happened if it didn't happen?
I thought that you were referencing a Tom Hanks movie.
Why the Cage Bird Sings, you know?
That's a Maya Angelou poem, bro.
He's thinking Bird Cage with Robin Williams, Nathan Lane.
Oh, yeah.
Bird Cage.
Jackman.
Bro, you're going down.
You're at like an 87 right now.
I think I'm coming close, dude.
I'm coming close to retard levels of IQ.
I'm getting uncomfortable.
I'm grabbing a mic stand.
Point is, Chet Hanks is, he's a white boy.
If anybody knows white boys, it's a guy that grew up in white boyness.
Yeah.
Can we listen to some Chet Hanks music?
Are you guys familiar with any of his music?
He made a college song.
I know that.
Probably slapped.
I didn't know that he made music at all.
Are you sure he made the college song or was it Redhead?
Asher Roth.
No, he, no, no, no, not a song called College.
He made a song at his college, like trying to promote school spirit or some shit like that.
Some rap song.
Yeah, I just read about it on Wikipedia.
I don't know too much about it.
But he is a rapper.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And we haven't heard any of his songs.
No, but he got a fire-ass patois accent.
Everybody hates on it because he's white.
That shit is fire.
Nah, he could go with it.
Okay, but if we play it, then this video is going to be demonetized, so we can't play it.
Fuck, so don't play.
Unless we just listen to it and then.
Oh, his name is Chet Hayes.
Let's go.
Do it better.
All right, let's listen to it.
Go.
Yo, that shit is flames, bro.
Chet Hayes kind of nice.
Chet Hayes.
You don't like Chet Hayes?
I'm just feeling it, but maybe I'm not going to be able to do it.
Come on, dude.
Wasn't it better than your expectation?
Okay, I'll give you by the middle of it.
I was like, okay, it's not as bad as it started off.
I was bopping to it.
Yeah, I was like, Mark, what'd you think?
It's just so easy to make a good rap song if you have the funny.
Yo, if you have make one hit country song, man, and all of a sudden you think it's easy to make a hot rap song, bro.
If you have unlimited money and you know everyone in Hollywood, you know that you can make one banger of a rap song bitter right now, bro.
It really does.
You don't realize you did Chet Hanks at comedy, right?
Let's go, man.
You just know everybody in the industry.
Yeah, what do you mean, brother?
What do you mean, brother?
What are you talking about, brother?
Oh, my God.
But a shit gotta sound good at the end of the day.
Yeah, you just guess on to make that shit sound fire.
Why would you put out some shit that's like mid?
Do you have one where he's filled into his body yet?
Because that motherfucker was looking slender in that last one.
We need one where he's he was looking a little Colin-ish, to be honest.
Yeah, he was he had a lot more Colin.
Yeah, and we need him a little bit more thick.
You want to thick him?
I think I think we need to see thick Chad Hanks.
Chet Hanks, the ghost.
I would go so far as to say Chet Hanks better at music than Tom Hanks at acting.
Yo, relax.
I can't even do it just because that's like, come on, don't go at Tom.
You love Tom that much?
Yeah, that's Tommy.
That's Tommy Hanks, bro.
Come on, bro.
I mean, how great is Tom Hanks at acting?
Let's be honest.
I mean, he's pretty fired.
Is he, though?
I mean, I wouldn't have.
He played at 81, dog.
Huh?
He played at 81.
Yeah, that's a great point.
Man, he did, dude.
But it's easy to pretend to be retarded.
What do you mean?
And Southern.
That's tricky.
He did both, yo.
Yeah, that's a tricky thing.
That's two.
That's two almost retard voices.
You got to figure out how to do both at the same time without letting one dominate.
You keep dipping on this 81.
I'm going to say something smart before I think about it.
Yo, they gave him a gun.
The U.S. Army gave Forrest Gump a gun.
But he was so dumb, he was like, Let me just run.
Let me just save everybody.
Let me just run.
Good ass point.
Damn, probably know how to work the fucking safety.
Chet Hanks is fire singing, bro.
That was great, dude.
Yo, I think we got to put some respect on Chet Hanks.
Andy's live, too.
You can't.
That's a fact.
That's what he wasn't.
That was live, son.
That wasn't live.
Yeah, that wasn't.
What?
What is happening?
What video do you say?
I don't think that was live.
I just don't believe that was live.
But how?
Or maybe he's got a fucking record track and he just mouthed out his lip sync.
Ashley Simpson.
Yeah, yeah.
Yo, yo, People gonna say that.
People gonna say that I actually sing it, bro.
I'm gonna sing it live.
I'm gonna go a cappella.
Let's go.
If you don't think, but not right now.
I'm just saying, if you had such a song, how wow would it sound?
You know what, Al?
You put me in an awkward position, bro.
Why?
I think we gotta.
I think we gotta give him a taste.
You have your hand on that, have your finger on that space bar in case we need to stop it.
But I think we need to give the asshole army a little taste of the greatest of the greatest number one hit in history.
Why are you wagging fingers?
Listen, shut up, truffle.
Fucking mouth, okay?
Listen, the people need the people need this right now.
Vibes are yo, let's the people need it.
You get a salary now, baby.
Hold on, baby.
Hold on.
Hold on, son.
We're about to give it to him.
Are y'all ready?
All I gotta say is, all I gotta say is, we were in Nashville, we've been in Florida, and the rest of the country needs to catch up.
You know, I don't want to put out medical, you know, misinformation or whatever, so don't trust nothing I'm saying.
None of this is true, but this is all false.
Don't trust anything like that.
It's just feelings.
We got to open the country up, baby.
We got to open her up.
Don't we got to open her up, Al?
I think we got to open her up.
Mark, what do you think?
You think we got to open her up?
I think, yeah, there's an argument to be made.
There's an argument to be made.
We're not saying it's facts or anything like that.
We're just, you know, being hyperbolic, and this is music.
Do you think we got to open her up?
I don't know.
Convince me.
Okay, I might have to.
Dubbits, hush.
Press play.
Whippets.
Wanna take all my sweats and click my views.
Hey, where's my picker?
Tired of getting caught jerking off on Zoom.
Two, baby, what you doing?
Doctor says I need to double up my mouth.
Tell the little gerbil he can kiss my ass.
What do you think boss?
Open her up like a can of bees.
Open her up like a jar of weed.
Open her up for a sweeter curse eye.
Open her up, let's see what's inside.
Like a good old boy with a sharp knife skating to bug.
Open her up.
I could be fawning.
Fawz it.
Pause it.
Fawz it.
I don't even know if we can give him any more out.
I don't know if we can give him any more.
Shit.
That was fire.
I can't believe it.
Can we give another verse?
I don't know.
We can, Al.
Nah, nah, nah.
We gotta wait.
We gotta wait.
They hit a second verse with the video.
Maybe the Patreon.
Maybe we drop the whole song on the Patreon.
Love it.
Because there's a rumor on the streets that we might have, that we might have a rap verse from Jelly Roll on it.
I'm just saying, there's a rumor.
God damn.
There's a rumor on the streets that there might have been a crazy collab of incredibly successful Nashville artists.
That's all I can say.
I can't say too much, you know, for legal reasons, etc.
But if you're not familiar with Jelly Roll, check him out.
Check that's the song, save me.
My God, dude.
Fuck.
We really made hot college cry with me.
I got emotional.
Yo.
Yep.
Yo, this is this guy's the truth.
This guy's the truth.
I mean, we had our boy Dave as well.
Dave, the truth.
I mean, we had a bunch of people that were putting it together.
Josh Wolfe, the truth.
Another person that we gotta stay silent about.
We gotta stay silent about another person, but a legend.
Yeah.
I know some of y'all like probably Garth Brooks.
I can't say if it is or it isn't.
Actually, I can say it's not Garth Brooks, but Sunday, very successful.
Incredibly successful.
All I'm saying is we might have to take the country music charts by storm.
You know what it sounds like?
Talk to me.
It sounds like it's about to be a white boy summer.
I think it might be.
I think a strong case is being presented.
I think it might be.
Between Chet Hanks is singing and your country music.
Hey, it might be a white boy summer.
It might be a white boy summer.
It might be a white boy summer.
Maybe that's a song collab you guys could make.
It might be.
WBS.
You know what I mean?
It might be.
It might be.
But this was such a big collab.
You know what I mean?
That's true.
I don't know.
I don't know if it's just a white boy thing.
This might be just a whole world thing.
I think the whole world might get behind this because it's time to open her up.
Oh, yeah.
Now, how are you going to react to criticism of people saying that you're stealing little Nas X's whole trajectory?
Do you have an answer for the critics?
I do have an answer.
Critics want to know.
I do have an answer.
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At least I'm straight.
At least I'm straight.
Maybe you guys will like that part of me, huh?
Oh, my God.
I didn't see it coming.
Sam, bro.
Kind of like Joyna Lucas' kids.
Yo, what an old man thing to do for a rapper.
Yeah.
You're supposed to be a rapper.
My children are seen.
I was disappointed.
Have your children watch any MM videos?
Have they listened to any M ⁇ M music?
Aren't you signed to Eminem?
Yeah.
What a nerd-ass thing to say, bro.
My children are watching it.
Come on, bro.
Ain't nothing wrong with gay kids, bro.
Kids is mad gay.
Jesus is mad gay, yo.
Jesus is mad gay.
All right, what else we got, yo?
Jake Paul, Ben Ashkren.
Oh, yeah.
This is a phenomenal press conference.
The highlights were great.
Son, the highlights were great.
Did you see Ben Askren's promo video?
Yeah, I saw you retweet it.
Fantastic.
Absolutely amazing.
This guy's great at content.
He is great.
And even when he's calling Jake, he didn't call him Jake Paul.
He calls him Logan Paul's little brother.
And you know, that's the thing that, yeah, dude, of course.
I'll be honest, I think Jake seemed a little nervous.
I think Jake was just out-trolled, but I still think Jake is going to win the fight.
But I think he's not used to being on the end where a fighter is better at that part than him.
I don't think he ever saw that coming.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
That's a great call.
That's a great call.
And that can throw you off because you're like, I'm used to the one that is antagonistic and I'm the asshole that gets under your skin.
How the fuck are you doing this to me?
I did not see that coming.
Yeah, there was one point where he just didn't know what to say.
He's like, stupid pussy ass bitch.
You almost felt bad.
You're like, oh, fuck, you didn't have a line for that moment.
So Ben is under his skin.
Oh, yeah.
I wonder if he goes out and tries to knock him out too hard and that works in Ben's favor.
I don't know.
I mean, listen, everybody I know that knows boxing, you, Rogan, that's about it.
They say he could throw, like, this kid's legit nice at boxing.
No, no, he's.
And Ben is not nice.
He might be good at fighting, but not boxing.
He's good.
The only chance that Ben has, and it is a significant chance, is having good enough head movement to avoid Jake.
And one, having a strong enough chin, and he has a fucking excellent chin.
Okay.
He does have an excellent chin.
He's been hit hard with the little four-ounce glass.
Having enough chin to sustain punishment until Jake gets tired.
Because we don't know what Jake's cardio is going to be like.
Like, it takes fighters years to build up to an eight-round fight.
Like, most fighters, like, I think amateurs are three rounds now.
There was a time I think there were four rounds.
Like, and a lot of guys will fight four rounders and build up to an eight-round fight.
Eight rounds is a lot.
Yeah.
And Ben has full fight cardio.
He has five, five-minute round cardio if he needs.
So if he can do five fives, he can do eight threes.
But it's different.
You know, boxing is also different.
We'll see.
But you like to, you probably go, okay, this guy's been fighting longer.
He's been in the gym longer.
He's been doing this for the last fucking decade and a half or whatever, however long he's been doing it.
The guy's cardio is probably at a level that's better.
And I think he's like, I'm just going to try to wear Jake down and then eventually his cardio goes and then I'll just beat him up and hopefully get a stoppage.
Yeah.
So it's really about Jake's cardio.
And if Jake is too excited and trying to knock him out too quickly because he's too angry, he just really wants to expose this guy that has embarrassed him.
Yep.
That cardio goes.
How did his pad work look to you in that promo video, Ben?
His pad work always looks trash, bro.
That's what I was thinking.
It always looks trash.
But it doesn't mean that, one, he doesn't hit hard and two, that he's not going to be in there and engage in doing some what they call like dirty boxing.
Like, I think Ben could get in there in the clinch and then work out of the clinch well.
What does that mean?
Oh, the clinch is like when they're kind of like holding each other like in a foam booth.
They're just real tight.
So that's what I think he'll do.
I think he'll kind of like hold one arm and then hit him with some uppercups, maybe some overhand rights.
It's not technically legal.
It's not technically illegal either.
Right.
It's just like in the gray area.
You're not going to get a point deducted, but because you can work inside, but I think that's where he's going to feel more comfortable because he can also control him there.
If he needs to, he can wrap him up.
And then once he wraps him up, there's nothing Jake can do.
You're talking about an elite wrestler.
Yes.
There's nothing you just got to wait for the ref to come in and separate you.
Right.
Because physically, there's nothing you'll be able to do.
Right.
This guy's like ability to manipulate your balance with his is next level.
Right.
Okay.
The guy couldn't even strike and he would just dominate fighters for most of his career simply because of that.
Right.
Same thing with like Khabib.
Like Khabib doesn't have to be good at striking because once he grabs you, there's nothing you can do.
Yeah.
Like when he said to Jake at the press conference, he's like, if we were in an alley and I could do a homicide on you.
Yeah.
If I wanted, I could do a homicide on you.
Yeah.
Like you know that too.
Yeah.
That's a fucking crazy.
Like I could kill you if I wanted to.
Yeah.
A guy in rainbow sandals says that to you?
Yeah.
You got to believe that.
If a guy in sandals ever says, if I wanted to kill you right now in an alley, I could do that.
Yeah, I believe.
And Jake was like, come on.
But he wasn't.
Yeah.
The best thing Jake can do is just make it about boxing.
Right.
Like, I would even lean in like, yeah, he kicked the crap out of me in wrestling.
I do all that.
Of course, of course.
You're in boxing.
Yeah.
You don't know how to do that.
In this specific thing, I'm knocking your ass out.
This is not an alley.
This is not an alley.
Yeah.
This is a ring.
Yeah.
Do you think Jake feels like he's in over his head a little bit?
No.
Really?
Because I think he's fucking people up in the gym because everything that I've heard, he's legit.
Everything that I've heard, and I trust the guys that I've heard it from.
My guys told me before the Nate Robinson fight, they're like, yo, this kid is fucking people up in LA.
I think that was in LA.
Like legit people.
Not professional box, but like legit gym guys.
Yeah.
He's fucking them up.
Right.
Not just like, oh, he had a spirited sparring match.
He's fucking them up.
Right.
So on paper, everything should go his way.
But if he can't hit him, if Ben is elusive enough, can't do damage.
If Ben gets in his head, how big of a deal is that in boxing?
It can expose you.
I know in basketball, if you're at the free throw line in your head, you're fucked.
But this is different.
It seems like it's different.
It can't expose you, I think, man.
I think it can.
How so?
I think it just makes you want to knock him out, make you want to knock the person out quicker, and then you just exhaust yourself.
And you only have so much fuel in the tank.
Right.
Eventually, we run out of fuel.
Yeah.
And an eight-round fight is about fuel management.
As you get into eight, 10, 12, it's just as important to be able to manage your output as it is to have those skills to be in there.
Because you can have all the skills in the world.
If you got two rounds in you, you're fucking done.
Look at Connor McGregor.
Yeah.
And every boxer goes in with a game plan.
So if you get in somebody's head and you get them off their game plan, now they're just scrambling.
Yes.
And once you do that, he can't stop the shit talk in the ring, even.
Ben Askrin got to be running his fucking mouth in the ring.
No, I don't even think he has.
I think he has to treat him like a little kid, undermine him, kind of tease him, like really get him.
And if the most important thing that he can do, and this is hard to do it, but is like, is flip the internet on him.
Because right now, the internet is like Jake is the man and he's trolling everybody.
And he's like, he's almost 6'9 in the boxing, like the MMA community.
Right.
So if Askrin can flip the internet, be like, oh, shit, Askern did this thing that's better.
And now Jake is looking silly.
Like him pushing his face, I thought meant that like Jake got under Askren's skin because Askren never makes physical contact.
Like Askren's, his whole thing is like, why are we saying we're going to fight each other?
We're literally going to do it for money in two weeks.
Like I've heard him say that to people.
Like, I'm going to, you're going to get your chance.
You don't have to yap right now about this.
But when he pushed his face and then walked away, I was like, oh shit, is Jake under Askron's skin?
Or did Ashrin go, I can mush this guy's face and there's nothing he can do to me?
I thought it was this.
Yeah, it was like a publicity thing.
Like, here, I'm going to shove his face.
Everybody's going to talk about that.
He's not going to do anything.
He can't.
Like, this is not the boxing ring.
I'll win here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was cool to see Jake's reaction, though.
Like, people criticize it.
Like, he just slapped his stomach, but his knee-jerk reaction was like, pull back and then react with a punch.
Like, when most people are, like, attacked when they don't know, they just retreat and they put their hands up and they stop.
They kind of freeze.
Hands up, freeze.
But his reaction was to move his head back and then counter.
Yeah.
That was the knee-jerk reaction.
Yeah, that was interesting.
It's pretty cool.
Yeah.
It's like to learn those instincts.
He's only in boxing a few years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't counter with an open hand.
He can't fuck the money up either.
Yeah, I know, but I'm saying that's still if it's his knee jerk, you're not thinking.
You're just going.
Yeah.
Yeah, good point.
I don't know.
I just thought I always like seeing like, what do people really do in the moment?
Like, how are they really going to react?
Yeah.
And he tried to at least counter.
Yeah.
Look, either way, I'm fucking excited.
If Jake gets knocked out, you think he like goes crazy or even if he wins or loses on like technicality or something?
Like, I don't really see Ben reacting negatively if he loses.
I think he's just sort of like, all right, whatever, moving on.
If Jake loses, do you think he throws a fit?
Does he like go wild?
I think he spirals a bit.
The thing is, like in my interactions and like I think most people's personal interactions with Jake, he's like just the sweetest kid.
He's just a fucking nice guy.
So he understands how to play the character and like hype things up.
So he was very like humble after his defeat of Nate Robinson.
He's like, I hope he's okay.
And he called me out and blah, blah, blah.
So I don't foresee him like making a big stink about it if he gets knocked out.
Like I think, but if he does get knocked out, I don't see who he's going to fight again.
So that's where shit gets tricky.
Like he needs this to go well.
He needs.
I mean, if he wins, it's going to be him and Connor McGregor is going to be a thing that would make a ton of money.
Bro, if he knocks Askron out, the fight game is his.
The mere feat of making the amateur boxing world as lucrative as the heavyweight boxing world potentially.
Like if he can pull that off, that in and of itself is just like fuck good for you.
You fucking did it.
Pick whoever you want.
Yeah.
That's in the MMA world.
Yeah.
And then fight them after that.
Yeah.
If he knocks out Askron, I'll be honest with you.
If I'm Connor, I stay the fuck away.
Really?
Why?
Because you said Connor can box.
Ask cannot.
So to me, if I'm Connor, and we don't know if Connor wants it, but it's like, I mean, this is an amateur boxer.
I'm essentially an amateur boxer.
Yeah.
Who cares?
I stay away if I'm Connor.
If he knocks out Askron.
Okay.
Because Askron has been.
Okay, so Askrin has been in there with guys that strike.
It's not like he has a.
And he has a chin.
So if you manage to knock out a guy with a chin, then you got this guy's punching power.
The only time like Askrin's been significantly hurt in his career is when he got kneed in the fucking head at full run.
Yeah.
Like Jorge's knee.
Yeah.
Which was by design, but like that never happens.
I don't want to call it lucky because he did train it and worked on it and predicted where he was going to go.
He's going to shoot for the double leg and he need him right there.
But like I'll take that not happening nine out of 10 times.
Right.
Yeah.
Pretty infrequent.
Yes.
So the guy's got a chin.
He's dealing with bigger gloves, so the shit hurts less.
And he knows how to avoid a punch.
He's been in there with guys who punch.
Yeah.
And they haven't hit him enough to knock him out.
And they know he's only doing one thing to them.
Right.
Is wrestling them.
Like, it's not like he's this versatile fighter.
He's going into every fight going, I'm going to grab you.
I'm going to hold you.
I'm going to put you down.
And then I'm going to punch you.
That's all.
Right.
So I don't know.
It's just hard for me to just go, yeah, there's no way.
But like, Connor went rounds with Floyd.
And maybe Floyd was just like playing with him.
But like.
Yeah, you say Floyd is carrying him.
Floyd's carrying him.
Floyd don't train for the fight.
Apparently he only just did like push-ups and shit like that.
And even then, he just did whatever he wanted with him.
Like, I think Connor has good head movement, you know, but like he couldn't hurt Floyd.
He didn't have the power in the gloves.
Like, it's really interesting.
Connor is a fucking hard puncher at like 145 pounds.
As a boxer, like the hands just didn't seem hard.
It was really weird.
I don't know what it is, but the punching power just wasn't there.
It's because there's so much more glove, I assume, right?
Yeah, I guess.
But like, he caught Floyd with a clean uppercut.
Like, Floyd, I think, lunged in and like, he caught him early with just a clean uppercut.
Like, hit him?
It was nothing.
Floyd's got a beard on him, but like.
So I don't know.
If I'm Connor, if he knocks out Pen Askron violently, like just as dominant as he was against Nate Robinson, if I'm Connor, I stay away.
I stay away.
And then if you're Jake, you just fucking call out whoever the hell you want.
Who do you think would take him in the MMA world?
If I'm him, I call out Khabib.
He's retired, undefeated, not the best striker.
Yeah, I don't think Khabib could care less unless you like go at his wife.
And then I think if Khabib does that, I don't think he's like looking to play by rules or whatever.
He clearly like $100 million.
You go, we can make $100 million or you can make $100 million, Khabib.
And you just go, why don't you just donate this to your favorite causes?
Here's $100 million.
Give it to the people of Dagstan.
You have to fight one guy that you can't really fight.
And he could have an out because he said, I retired from UFC.
From UFC.
Yeah.
But I don't know.
But you got to call out the MMA community.
That's what it is.
Just keep going through it.
It'd be interesting to see.
Speaking of fights, Izzy apparently got dropped from BMW because he said that he would rape Kevin Holland.
Son, the prime minister of New Zealand was criticizing it.
And it's like, yo, what are we doing?
But that, yo, low-key, that's how famous he is over there.
Oh, that's fire.
Like, isn't that crazy?
You got to be famous for the president.
Like, if Biden hit me up and he was like, yo, you can't say that shit.
I'd be like, whoa, bro.
I'm pretty famous.
That was like when Obama called Kanye dumb.
Yeah.
And Kanye's like, wait a minute, what I say, what I say gets to the president.
Yeah.
So that's a huge compliment.
And to, you know, I mean, if we had to make an argument for BMW or the New Zealand, like, he did hump Paul Acosta after he knocked him out.
Yeah.
So he's rapey.
Yo, like, yo, Kevin Holland better watch his mouth, yo.
Izzy could take that ass if he wanted to because he'd easily knock Kevin Holland out.
He would easily knock him out.
And then what he does with him after he knocks him out is up to Izzy at that point.
After you're knocked out, there's nothing you can do.
If he wants to take that ass, you take that ass.
You better hope Herb Dean bought his dick from going into you.
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Maybe it wasn't inaccurate to say that.
Maybe it wasn't.
But BMW, you got to know who you're doing business with.
Yeah, man.
This guy rapes dudes.
Oh, my God.
No, no.
It's all jokes.
Nah, but like, I don't know.
I think that BMW shit is so corny.
That's the whole problem with the cancel culture thing.
It's like BMW knows who they're doing business with.
They know that he's somebody who's like hyperbolic on the internet.
He makes these jokes all the time.
They love it.
And they love how big it's.
And they tell you that when they sign you, oh, we love that about you.
Don't change that.
And then the social pressure forces them into making a decision like this.
It's not BMW that wants to make the decision, right?
It is all these idiots on Twitter go, BMW, you see what you're sponsoring.
They also go to Puma.
They also go to all these other sponsors and they go, they've done it with us.
We see something crazy, and then I see them tweeting at all of our sponsors, going, These are the people that you want to advertise.
And we've lost advertisers because of it.
Yeah, but like, I would love to see BMW be like, you know what?
No.
One company be like, no, you guys are going to forget about this in a week.
Yes.
You're not going to buy our cars anyways.
You're too poor.
You have nothing better to do but complain on Twitter.
Yeah, that's true.
Clearly, your job ain't shit.
So let's just wait it out.
I would love to see one sponsor set that precedent.
That's a great point.
Like, activists don't have enough money to drive a BMW.
Yeah.
Keep your morals, you poor fuck on the bus, you loser.
Your monthly pass, you can't even afford bum asses.
Get out of here.
You ain't got no BMW money.
Yeah, it's a shame.
It is a fucking shame.
But I guess I do understand how these corporations work and why they have to do it.
They don't, it's not that they want to.
It's not like they're finding out about that and going, I can't be associated.
They know they're associated.
They just bend to that pressure from social media.
Yeah, I push back on the word have to just because I don't, I understand why they do it, but I don't think they have to do it because it always goes away in a week.
They feel like they have to.
Yeah.
And maybe it only goes away because everybody caves in.
So then we're allowed to move on.
But I would love one company.
And granted, it's easy to say when it's not my money, but I would love one company and be like, let's see how long you guys are really pissed off about this.
Let's just see.
Yeah.
I mean, is there such a thing as crossing the line and pre-fight like shit talking?
Yeah, we're going to beat the shit out of each other.
Like, I'm going to physically abuse you.
Potentially kill.
Yes.
Like, people have died in this sport.
Yeah.
So.
If someone said, I will murder you, it'd be like, no, that's a DeAndre Hopkins said, I want to kill someone in the ring.
I think Tyson said, I want to eat your children.
Yeah.
To Lennox Lewis, who doesn't.
He said, I'm going to eat his children.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, yeah, Tyson said crazy shit.
I think Tyson said he's going to rape people.
I wish they confirmed that one.
That one's still up in the air.
What's that?
Him and Lennox Lewis.
I think it was him and Holyfield.
A Holyfield.
Yeah, yeah.
That'd be interesting.
I want to see that.
And Holyfield stayed in shape, man.
Was Lennox Lewis super nice, like historically nice?
Yeah.
Like kind or like good at boxing?
Good at boxing.
Yeah.
Amazing.
Unbelievable.
And kind.
Yeah.
And kind of.
When he would like talk in interviews, sounds like the nicest guy.
Yeah.
He just never had a home.
It was really tricky because they tried to market him as British, but like he kind of grew up in Canada.
Yeah.
So he didn't really have a place.
He didn't have like a people didn't understand, but he was also Jamaican.
So you just didn't understand who he was.
Yeah, yeah.
So I think it was really hard at that time to like get behind people.
They're like, okay, he's black.
So he's either from America or Britain.
Right.
And then he's Canadian?
Yeah.
But his passport is British.
We just didn't understand how to digest a guy like that.
Right.
It's a shame because he was an excellent boxer.
Yeah.
Like fucking like he's excellent.
I remember the belt getting passed a few times back and forth, but he seemed like the one that was just like super dominant.
Yeah.
Super, super dominant.
All right, guys.
I think we got a great episode.
I hope you enjoyed listening to Francis, man.
It was really cool that he was able to do that.
Thank you so much, Francis.
We really appreciate you and wish you best of luck and everything.
And I would love to see you own the heavyweight boxing title as well.
That'd be absolutely historic.
So let's see what happens.
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