Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh dissect Floyd Mayweather's Instagram strategy regarding his potential exhibition against Jake Paul, noting the postponement of the Logan Paul bout. They speculate that sophisticated captions imply a ghostwriter, highlighting Mayweather's correction of "lynching" to address cultural appropriation accusations while debating if race is a calculated sales tactic. Analyzing Jake Paul's mockery of Mayweather's education and Nate Robinson knockout, the hosts conclude that Mayweather pivots to cultural critiques to shut down narratives, ultimately framing boxing as a lucrative circus comparable to football contracts. [Automatically generated summary]
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Floyd's Nuanced Racism Tactic00:10:05
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And I got to say something.
Obviously, the news of the Logan Paul fight being postponed with Floyd Mayweather.
And, you know, we had joked that Floyd thought he was fighting Jake.
Right.
Paul, and then found out it was Logan and then postponed.
Yada, yada, yada.
It is what it is.
What I think is really interesting is I don't know if you watched or you looked at his like Instagram post.
Yeah, I did.
Did you see it?
Yeah.
I think someone else is writing his Instagram posts.
No, I don't.
I'll tell you.
I'll tell you why.
They're too sophisticated.
And I say this, it breaks my heart to say this because he DM'd me, like thanking me for what I said about him on Rogan.
Floyd did?
Yeah.
I never told you this?
No.
Oh, yeah.
This was like a monumental moment for my life because, you know, he's the greatest of the greats, in my opinion.
Thanks for letting us know.
Yeah, my bad.
What the hell?
This is like getting married and not telling anyone.
Yo, we've done such a thing.
Monumental moment.
But I think that he's not.
Sometimes he sounds way more eloquent in his Instagram captions, right?
So I think someone else is writing them for him and then purposely misspelling words.
Okay.
So it's like, oh yeah, this is definitely Floyd because he would spell Lynch with an E instead of a Y, right?
He said lynching us, but L-E-N-C-H-I-N-G.
So I think that that's their workaround.
Because a lot of the thoughts that he's expressing in these captions oftentimes are like pretty like sophisticated thoughts.
And I haven't seen, at least in any of the 24-7s, the promotional pieces, the podcasts that he's done, all this stuff.
I haven't really seen him expressing these thoughts in that way.
So I think they're trying to trick us into thinking that he's doing it.
And imagine having that conversation with Floyd.
Yeah.
Where you're basically like, listen, this is too smart for you.
So I have to misspell a few words.
So we throw the scent off the trail.
I mean, he knows we know he can't read.
Can he not read?
I mean, that's, he sounded like me doing that com reading.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
But here's the thing.
He's gone and back and corrected the misspelling.
Oh, he did.
He's now spelled Lynch correctly.
Whereas initially in his post, Andrew's referring to the fact that he referred to basically Jake Paul is stealing black culture.
And like he talks about what black people have gone through.
And he said, we used to get Lynch just for reading.
He's called Lynch.
I don't understand what EMCHED.
Yeah.
I don't understand what that has to do with anything.
I don't.
I think he just, he just sells the fight.
I think this is what, like you said, you need a race component to sell the fight.
Nobody does that better than Floyd.
Nobody does that better than Floyd.
Yeah.
I just don't understand it.
Like, I don't understand why he's jumping to this.
It just seems like an easy out.
So this is the first post, Al.
It's just promoting the fight.
And he says, basically, I will fight Logan in an exhibition.
And if Jake can beat Ben Aspirin, I will fight Jake as well.
And then he said, I'll fight 50 too.
50 says I'm too small or something like that, but we could go.
I don't give a fuck about weight class.
And then 50, I don't think, responded, but he will in a hilarious way.
And then Floyd had a more recent post because I guess Jake responded.
So Jake did this really funny trolling video.
Okay.
And I don't know if you can get that up, but it was good.
He's basically reading a poem in front of like a fire, but it's not actually a fire.
It's on the TV.
Right.
And it was really funny.
So he responds to that by saying, you know, you take our culture, you take the way we dress, you take the way we wear jewelry.
And it's like, what does that have to do with anything?
Like, why are you making this like a vulture conversation?
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, you wear horse riding boots, Floyd.
You know what I'm saying?
The way you dress is.
absolutely appropriating not American black shit from Michigan.
That's 100% sure.
Like he's wearing all these European designers and stuff like that.
Nobody's going, oh my God, you're appropriating our culture.
It just seems like a weird conversation to get into.
And it's like, if you make, are you really going to make this fight about a racial dynamic?
It's like, clearly, Jake Paul, I don't think hates black people.
He looks incredibly inspired by black people.
Right.
You know what I mean?
What are you laughing at?
You were just saying last week, man.
Thank you.
Add the race component.
You have to add a race component.
I'm sorry to say.
You just have to add a race component to every fight.
Then Floyd does it, which he always does.
And you're like, I just, I'm going to flabbergast.
I just, that is a question mark over my head.
I said three.
Like, you literally said that shit last week.
I couldn't.
I don't understand.
It's happening.
No, but not even last week.
Multiple weeks you said this.
But I said that you have to accuse someone of racism or it just has to be a white diverse.
Yeah, but the racial component is there's two different races.
You had to add, you said this about Lloyd and about Logan and Floyd.
To sell the fight, you're going to have to add a racial dynamic beyond like the look.
You're just going to have to make it a bit racist.
Oh, and that's when I was saying like Logan shouldn't do that.
Yes.
Because if he does that, he's going to be looked at as the villain.
Right.
And Jake don't give a fuck.
He'll go.
He will, but I don't think he wants to be seen as that.
He won't.
I think that's his one Achilles heel.
Like, I think that he actually won't respond to this because I don't think he wants to get into a conversation of if he's appropriating black culture, if he can, if he's allowed to do that, because he does want to appropriate black culture.
It's part of his brand.
The fucking guy wants to be a rapper at the end of the day, or he is a rapper.
He's trying to be a rapper.
So that is maybe like a really smart tactic by Floyd, but I don't know if it continues to engage the conversation.
Like when it happened between Connor and Floyd, do you remember this?
Yeah.
And like Connor shut that shit down.
He goes, nah, we're not doing this racial shit.
Same thing happened with Gypsy King.
Somebody tried to make it about a racial thing with you.
He's Nez, nah, we're not doing that.
Like, what are we, why are we?
And the fights are still huge.
It's going to be huge if there's a white person fighting a black person.
It's going to be huge.
No matter what.
We got to do the skip Bayless cut of you arguing with you.
I know, right?
I know.
I can't wait.
Somebody's going to put that together.
It's going to be so good.
I get it.
I don't know if I can, if I'm like articulating it well enough.
What I'm saying is there's a way to do like white versus black, Filipino versus Mexican, Puerto Rican versus American.
Yeah.
Even though they're Americans, but it's a whole fucking thing.
Bernard Hopkins versus Felix Trinidad, whatever.
It's like, if you have some sort of like dynamic like that, it's always going to sell a fight.
You're saying you can add a racial component without making it overtly racist.
The fact that they're different colors is enough.
But the fact that Floyd is going into like, into this thing is like, oh, you're stealing our culture.
You're doing this.
You're, I don't know, I guess alluding to racism in a weird way or just alluding to vulturism.
Floyd is a fucking fantastic salesman, but this is, if he's fighting someone of a different race, this is his marketing tactic.
And you mentioned, as you were supportive of this last week, Floyd coming in with a sombrero when he fought Oscar De La Joya.
Like he just, that's what he does, and that sells a fight.
But Floyd wasn't saying Mexicans hate black people.
No.
Floyd was saying, I'm going to insult Mexicans.
Yeah.
He wasn't putting the racism on the opponent.
Yeah.
So this is a kind of different tactic for Floyd.
I think if Floyd is fighting a white guy, that's what he's going to do.
Well, he's fought white guys.
Not in the recently.
When was the last white guy fought that?
Like, since he's been Money Mayweather, Arthur Gotti.
I don't know.
I mean, this was a long time ago, but that was a big fight.
But I'm sure there might be obviously.
You had one Irish guy and he fucked him up, I think.
Victorious Conor McGregor?
No, no.
There was another one before that.
Ricky Hatton or something like that.
Oh, yeah, yeah, English guy, Ricky Hatton.
I didn't see any racial component in that fight.
Yeah, and I don't know if it was that big of a deal.
The fight was huge.
Was it?
I remember.
Dude, Ricky Hatton brings all of London to every fight, but he does a lot of the heavy lifting with that.
It is just an interesting thing.
I guess, I don't know.
Maybe I'm sensitive about it because I think that they're both good enough at like creating interest.
Like Floyd was just amazing at creating interest.
Floyd should just shit on him for being little bank, et cetera.
Look, this is the easiest way to do it.
Make it a race fight, of course.
It's the easiest way to do it.
It's the highest stakes.
But it stops being fun.
Like, I can't get in on it now.
I'm out of here.
That's where I think, that's why I think you're disappointed.
If you're looking at it completely objectively, you would agree with yourself last week, which is, yeah, this is how you sell the flight.
The fight, black people aren't going to be interested necessarily off rip, I don't think, because it's like, hey, he's going to beat the shit out of this white boy.
You know what it is?
Now they're in.
This is what it is.
You make Jake racist.
It's Trump.
Even when he does something funny, you repost it.
Now it's, look at you reposting this racist.
Look how fun.
Oh, are you saying what he says is okay?
Are you saying vulturism is okay?
You create a toxicity around supporting something that is funny.
And he's a guy that's easily hateable already, so that it's going to be easy to make him toxic.
I know what you're saying.
But the video that he did was genuinely funny.
But if you make him a racist, now I can't say, yo, that shit is mad funny.
Oh, so you think racists are funny?
It's like all of us would watch Trump do these hilarious fucking things in the press conferences, and then we just privately text back to each other.
Like my fucking woke friends in entertainment that just trash Trump all the time are texting me privately.
Yo, yo, this motherfucker is the funniest president we've ever had.
Same.
So.
Now, in fairness, his tactic seems more nuanced because he's not overtly calling him racist.
He's just saying that he is jacking from black people.
Sugar, Spoons, and Learning00:03:01
Right.
And that he's biting all black people's culture, which is not saying racist.
Right.
You're right.
It's not like sucking all the fun out of it.
Yeah.
But it is adding a racial component that for certain people can make it uncomfortable.
Yeah.
No, I gotta, I mean, I guess I'm being.
What did Jake say about education?
Because that's what Floyd attacks.
He says, and I don't even play when it comes to education because the blacks got lynched just for reading.
Go to Jake's video and just play it.
You want to find that?
You think that's Floyd's rationale for not knowing how to read, you think?
What's that?
That he's trying to protect himself?
That's what I was thinking.
I was like, you ain't get lynched, motherfucker, for reading.
You didn't learn.
Come on, bro.
Millions of black people have been killed for millions?
Millions of black people have been lynched.
For reading specifically?
I don't know about that.
Yeah, I don't know.
Millions?
That seems like an easy thing to get out of.
They're like, yo, were you reading?
You're like, no.
I'm going to play it.
I don't know how.
You just lie.
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UFC Pay vs. Circus Culture00:05:26
You call me out to fight, but you're half my height.
You might meet my brother, but Jake Paul is a different type.
Fuck your proposition.
I don't do exhibitions.
We can fight on my conditions.
50-50 commissions.
Oh, and we haven't forgotten.
You tried training Nate to beat me.
I left him unconscious on the canvas.
Let's hope you're not that easy.
A quick NBA knockout.
He's never boxing again.
Speaking of NBA, who knocked up your daughter, my friend?
After a KO Askrin on Triller, April 17th, I would love to fight you, Floyd, and punch you in those fake veneer-ass teeth.
Yo, that's disrespectful.
Dear Mr. Mayweather, who runs your influence?
Yo, Floyd Bennett.
They need to get paid better.
I've been a Floyd tooth appreciator for decades now.
That shit bothered me.
What?
The veneers got his teeth, yo.
The veneer's cost.
My man got the best teeth.
No, he got great teeth, but they're definitely fake teeth.
So I think this actually contextualizes his response a little better.
Okay.
Because he goes hard and like is talking about his family, his daughter.
He really gets personal with it.
And so Floyd, now being like hurt and offensive, goes, What's the one thing that I can say that sort of like gives me like this like iron, you know, defense?
Yeah.
And he's like, attack him for being a culture vulture, blah, blah, blah.
Like to me, it seems like his response was hurt.
And he's like, I'm just going to say the thing that everyone's going to get.
And it's effective because he can't respond.
Yeah, exactly.
If he responds as he's not, we go, come on, bro, stop it.
You're a Disney star from Ohio.
You didn't learn that shit from Disney.
He didn't learn that shit from Ohio.
Right.
Right.
So, yeah, this is interesting, man.
So then, technically, he's doing what he should be doing, attacking something that is actually negative.
And if yo, yo, you know what it is?
If we're all in, like, we're all like, you know, shooting the dozens or whatever it is, it's a very effective technique to shut somebody up.
If you want to build a fight, you don't want to shut somebody up.
Here's the issue, though.
There's where it's tricky.
Jake has to reply.
So he just has to find a clever way out of this.
He got to ignore it entirely.
But he'll still respond.
What is he going to say as far as being a culture vulture?
The only response he could do is show all the outfits.
We want to talk about culture vulture and show all the outfits and then have that.
That's good.
That's what I'm saying.
All right, fine.
Fair enough.
And it's like you brought up.
Maybe I was right.
You got to add a rhythm.
Guys, I got to listen to myself more often.
But it's also like you brought up in Rose Battles where the more famous person doesn't have as much ammunition as the less famous person.
Yeah.
I don't know who's more famous amongst YouTube worlds.
Demographically, it's different.
In the sports world, Floyd don't know shit about Jake.
Yeah.
Floyd couldn't give less of a fuck about Jake.
Jake knows a lot about Floyd, so Jake can hit X, Y, and Z, and Floyd is like, dude, I don't know anything about that.
He's a fucking, he's a white pretty boy.
What can I say?
Race.
That's how you got to go.
Yeah.
Now, I have another question about this.
I've seen some people criticizing Floyd for turning boxing into a circus.
Does him taking these exhibition fights against like Jake Paul and other people, does it turn boxing into...
Who's criticized Floyd for that?
Just like shit, people commented on his Instagram and just on the internet.
Saying that.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think Floyd's a purist.
I mean, he fought Conor McGregor, you know, for $100 million.
But if you actually look at the people Floyd fought, he's been a champion his entire life.
So he was fighting number one contenders or close to that for his almost his entire career, the majority of it.
I think their point is more recently he took the exhibition fight.
Didn't he take one in like Japan against some fucking guy that was like kind of a joke?
This is kind of a joke.
But I would also say UFC is washing you guys right now in terms of like cultural relevance.
So you got to just figure it out.
And also competitive or say what?
He's retired from boxing.
And that's his work.
Yeah, this is another thing.
But I think another thing that people don't get is that he changed his name to Money Mayweather.
He's very clear about what his intentions are with the sport.
He's boxing Mayweather.
Exactly.
Or Pretty Boy Floyd.
That was the earlier name.
He had a classic kind of boxing nickname.
Now it's Money Mayweather.
I fight for money.
Whoever pays me the most money to fight, that's who I'm going to fight.
Very simple.
I can respect that.
Yeah.
These people who are like, oh, no, only MMA guys can fight MMA guys and we have to have purity in the sport.
It's like, no, these guys have a certain amount of fights before they can't remember their grandkids' names and they should make as much fucking money as they possibly can before that happens.
The same thing with football.
I think there was some coach that was on, I forget which show, but someone's asking, how do you feel about your players going to these other team and getting big contracts?
And he goes, I hope they do.
I hope they get paid as much money as they possibly can.
And if that means they have to leave, then by all means, leave.
He gets it.
You get six years, eight years.
Dude, there's a handful of boxers that are going to make money.
Think about this.
Everybody in this room right now makes more money than 99% of boxers.
Think about this.
Everyone in this room makes more money than 99% of MMA fighters.
I bet you 80% of MMA fighters on the UFC roster.
I bet you 90% of MMA fighters on the UFC roster.
This is how little these guys get paid.
So these people in the comments talking about, oh, stop making a circus.
Appropriating Cool MMA Culture00:03:20
Suck a dick.
That's true.
Making a circus, making a clown car, making whatever the fuck you want.
Get all the money.
God bless you, Floyd.
Like, holy shit, man.
Maybe I'm defensive of boxers, but like...
No, I get that.
I get that.
That shit drives me crazy.
If the fight is interesting and the buildup is interesting, then we're totally fine.
But that's also why you hit race, because I got to make as much money as possible.
Yeah, I was wrong.
I was wrong as fuck about that.
I was wrong as fuck about that, bro.
You know what it is?
Sometimes you need to say the wrong thing to be right.
No, I was wrong as fuck about that.
And it was more nuanced.
You're right.
Like, he was going to a specific thing.
He wasn't saying you're a racist.
You hate boy.
I agree insofar as that point.
If he were to say, yo, Jake's a racist, like, blah, blah, blah.
He hates he's a white supremacist.
Like, all right, like, what are we doing?
Now, he did bring up the lynching for not being able to read.
That's not on Jake per se, but he's putting it in close proximity.
Like, there's great.
That's his only defense for why I can't read.
Hey, I don't play about reading.
If you were lynched for reading Harry Potter, like, what are we doing?
That's the problem is we were playing too much and motherfuckers trying to teach you how to read.
How about you don't play about reading?
There is a, there is a, maybe a goal of his with that is don't bring up the reading shit no more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I attach lynching and racism to it, then you're not going to ever bring that up because you don't want to be attached to lynching and racism.
That's pretty smart.
And to me, that indicates that he's actually really hurt by it.
Yeah, to me, it indicates he doesn't know how to read the word million because ain't no way millions of black people were lynched for reading.
Come on, bro.
How many books was there?
They weren't going to the library.
They're out there going to the library back in the day.
I was picking strawberries.
With strawberries?
I meant to say strawberries.
Yes, you did.
You did.
I was rolling with you on it.
I was lost for a second.
I saw where you were going.
I'll give it to you.
No, I'll take the F.
Okay, so, all right, fair enough.
Maybe that is how you promote a fight.
We're talking about it.
Obviously.
Response would be like, don't make it about race.
You're just trying to generate money because you're going to go.
No, don't be serious.
Always be above serious.
Yeah.
If you're Jake and you're going to play the villain, I think you lean into all the clothes he wears.
He goes, You're right.
I have appropriated, like, lean.
Yeah, I've appropriated black culture.
You know what?
It's pretty fucking cool.
At least I'm appropriating cool culture.
Look at you, you fucking idiot.
And he's wearing these stupid boots and this stupid pants.
And then honestly, tell me what black dudes wouldn't look at that and be like, nah, no, low-key, Floyd's been looking fucking goofy with a lot of these outfits.
You're right.
Do you think there would be support?
A little bit.
Tiny bit.
A little bit, yeah.
Because some of his shit is dumb.
Yeah, but then, like Dub would probably point out, it's just some shit we don't know about.
So to us, it's dumb.
But to some doesn't hear like shorts and cowboy boots?
He's wearing fly shit.
He's wearing fly shit to those like elite fashion people.
But for the rest of us, we're like, bro, we're not impressed.
That's what I'm saying.
We're impressed by the cars.
Go back, show us the cars again.
Yeah.
Every time he gets into a little tiff, it's like, yo, y'all seeing my cars?
How easy is that, bro?
We just need 50 cars so that anytime anything goes wrong, we can give you the tour.
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