Sheltie and Mark dissect the upcoming US election, arguing voters misinterpret opposing motivations while seeking freedom from political correctness regarding speech and taxes. They note Trump's "lizard brain" appeal resonates with primal desires despite majority opposition, warning of potential mayhem if he loses clearly. Highlighting shifting minority support due to Democratic overreach on religion and family values, they reject viewing groups as monoliths. Ultimately, they advocate treating votes as commodities bought with tangible policy outcomes rather than blind loyalty, suggesting life changes are often nominal regardless of the result. [Automatically generated summary]
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So we don't know who's going to be president next term.
We're still trying to figure it out.
I don't think we're going to know by the end of today.
I don't think we're going to know by the end of tomorrow.
When do you think we'll end up knowing?
Probably Friday.
Friday.
Friday, we'll know if our guy got it.
We'll know if our guy got it.
Yeah, Who's our guy?
I mean, it's our guy.
Everybody knows who our guy is.
Yeah, who's our guy?
Our guy's our guy.
Listen, whoever's listening, I voted for whoever you voted for.
I got that from Duval.
Duval said, if anybody asked you who you voted for, I voted for who you voted for.
You didn't vote, me neither.
Who votes?
Nah, in all seriousness, we're misunderstanding what the Republican voter wants.
And I'm sure we're misunderstanding what the Democratic voter wants.
And I think both sides are misunderstanding.
And I think they're painting the other side as evil.
We've had this conversation because it's before, which is an easy way to kind of drum up support on your side, because if there's evil against you, then you got to support it, right?
You got to come and fight the good fight, whatever it is.
We have to create a fight in order for you to want to fight.
But what's interesting is like, then what is motivating these voters, right?
And I was like, man, maybe it's just taxes.
Maybe Republicans just want taxes.
And then Mark goes, nah, it's a culture war.
I go, what are you talking about?
And Mark goes, just don't tell me what words I can say.
Don't tell me what I can or can't do.
Just let me live my life.
And low-key, I think that's exactly what it is.
And I think that we're a part of that culture war.
We are sitting in this place like, yo, apolitically, I think the people are listening to.
I think we have a lot of people on both sides of the spectrum.
But everybody agrees.
Like, yo, just don't tell me what the fuck to say.
Like, some of us might want to pay a little more taxes, help some people.
Some of us are like, yo, I don't want to pay anything.
I want to, I think the government, you know, wastes the money, whatever it is.
But at the end of the day, everybody who's listening to this is kind of like, don't tell me what words I can or can't use.
Don't tell me what jokes I can or can't say.
Mind your fucking business.
Let me do what the fuck I want.
And if that is the driving force of voters, one, you probably see why Trump has an attraction to a lot of people.
You know, I don't think, you know what I'm saying?
They're kind of like, yeah, he's just talking that crazy shit.
And it's like, it's kind of refreshing.
I'm tired of people telling me I can't talk crazy.
I think that was a huge part of what got Trump elected in the first place.
Yeah.
Huge part of it is, hey, finally hear somebody who says what he says and then doesn't apologize and backtrack later.
Yeah.
Even though it's an overcorrection, like even though it might be saying what he says too far, sometimes too far is more refreshing than nothing.
Yeah.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Like you rather have your girl have two big titties than none.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like if you could choose like, yo, you want a little bit too big titties or do you want no titties at all?
Concave.
Concave.
Like Daniel Simonson's chest.
None of y'all going to get that joke.
But shouts to Daniel Simonson, funny comedian.
Said his chest is concave.
And when he goes straight mish on his girl, it makes a farting sound.
So, like, you're going to go a little bit too big.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
I think we would rather have a little bit more of what we love than none of what we love.
Yes.
Yeah.
A little bit more of what we love.
Too much over nothing.
Yes.
Yes.
Too much over, too much over nothing.
Great, great, great.
I think this is related.
I was listening to Trump, whatever he said last night on the way here.
Yeah.
And I was like, oh, Trump speaks to our lizard brain at all.
Everything he says is just like, yo, I fucking, I don't, fuck logic.
I feel what this guy is saying.
So to that point, when he's saying all this wild shit and not apologizing, it speaks to that lizard brain party that's like, yo, I know there's some place for PC talk, but I'm so tired of it.
This guy not giving a fuck speaks to that primal part of me, that lizard brain.
But here's the thing: he's tapping into that lizard brain to the people that hate him too, don't you think?
Yeah, because fuck logic.
Fuck what side I should be on.
Pro-choice, blah, blah, blah.
No, this guy taps into that part of me that overrides all logic.
But that lizard brain part is not only the things that you love, it's also things that you hate.
So that hate is visceral as well.
Absolutely.
And according to the popular vote, and we are in a Democratic country, and I know the Electoral College matters.
I'm not really talking about how people get elected.
I'm talking about how Americans want this country to be led.
The majority of Americans do not want him to lead the country.
And you have to respect that.
Even if he says some shit in ways that we go, I kind of relate to that.
I like the fact that someone's just saying something.
The majority of the people, their lizard reaction to him is, I don't want it.
Right.
And you got to respect that.
You have to respect the democratic process.
If this guy loses, which it looks like he's going to lose, you can't all of a sudden start pouting, right?
If you're a Trump supporter, you can't all of a sudden start pouting because the Democratic process didn't work in your favor.
If it looks like everything's legit and there was no, you know, ballots counted out for the fact or whatever, you are the American values side.
You are the, we need to law and order, right?
The people yelling law and order need to respect the law and order.
Right.
And so does Trump.
If it looks legit, don't get me wrong.
If it looks like there's something fishy out there, yo, fight for what's right.
But if it looks like the victory is flawless on Biden's side, he got to take that out.
He's got electoral and popular.
I don't.
I don't even care about popular.
Yeah, okay.
Look, we're just talking electoral.
Now we're talking voting.
Before we were talking about like public sentiment.
Okay, okay, got it.
That makes sense, right?
But now if it's electoral, you can't go, I'm the law and order guy.
And if it looks legit, no funny stuff, act like it wasn't.
Yeah, I always think.
Your people could have mailed in shit too, right?
Not like Republicans can't use postage.
Yeah.
Oh, they show up.
Right?
They show up, which I'm not sure.
I told them not to.
Say what?
He told them not to.
That's on you.
But you know what I'm saying?
Like, if it looks like there's no funny stuff, you can't go from law and order to, nah, fuck it.
This law and order don't work for me.
Yeah.
But I mean, you're giving Trump a lot of credit, Doug.
When does he ever really stick to his gut?
I'm not going to say that that's what he's going to do because I think he does react emotionally.
The right thing you should do is stick with your gun.
Based on your value.
Based on your values, not your Alex Media's values, based on like Trump's values.
Yeah, but he doesn't even abide by his own values.
Right.
But to be fair, both sides do this.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
If Trump won popular and loses electoral, Republicans will say, hey, let's just go off a popular vote.
And Democrats wouldn't be like, yo, you know what?
This happened to us four years ago.
You're right.
They'd be like, no, this is fine.
Fuck you.
See how it feels?
Like, everybody's value system changes based on whatever their emotions are.
Let me ask y'all this.
So Trump's still got, what, three more months in office?
Yeah.
Oh, I can't wait for the fuck shit.
Yo.
I can't wait for that fucking shit.
This can abuse.
What do you mean?
Because like, low-key, I'm like, well, nah, fuck it.
It ain't going to be no wall.
We're going to have a slide.
You know what I mean?
We're going to have a slipping slide.
Get your wet backs on in here.
You know what I mean?
Like, is that what he does?
He's just going to fuck it and tear the whole shit down and not live up to any of the promises he was saying he was going to keep.
Here's why I don't think he does that because to do that, you have to admit defeat.
Trump ain't going to admit defeat.
Well, he don't got to admit it.
If he lost, he lost.
But no, no, no.
He can cause all kinds of mayhem until then.
He could say, hey, this is fixed.
I'm not leaving.
This is a bullshit, whatever.
Like, they're going to have to potentially get this motherfucker out.
I'm going to be honest with you.
I think he wants out.
I think if it's not a clear victory, I think if it's not a clear victory, I think he's out.
I think he's tired of it.
I think he also doesn't want to lose.
Guy's a winner.
No, no, no.
There's no question he doesn't want to lose.
But if it looks legit, like if he looks legit, legit, I don't think he's going, oh, we got to cancel people who mailed it, cancel all mail-in voting, all that kind of stuff.
I think he's like, I'm tired of this shit.
I'm tired of motherfuckers hate me all the goddamn time.
I'm 80 years old.
The potential charges he's facing here in New York.
Oh, so he's trying to keep his moment he's not president.
They could charge him.
With what?
Tax evasion something.
And then there's another one like bribery, like his lawyer situation.
Like they have two big charges.
Not even just that.
Tax evasion.
And like hard proof.
Not even on some like bullshit.
And just low-key, I'm sorry to say, low-key, like Trump in prison, like a locked-up RAW documentary would be the most fire shit, bro.
If there was a TV show about Trump in prison, bro.
Dude, Orange is the new black, bro.
Daredevil season two when Kingping got locked up.
That's where that shit'll be.
He could be eating veal, chilling.
Bro, Orange is the new black, bro.
If he's in prison, that shit would be so fire.
Tell me you're not watching that.
Oh, absolutely.
Oh, my God.
He's going to be the most entertaining motherfucker.
That's why we got to low-key keep him out of jail.
We got to keep him out of jail because we won't have enough access.
I think he flees.
Like the Snowden motherfucker.
Where does he go?
Russia?
I don't think he's going to be.
I don't know.
Wherever we can actually.
He got businesses everywhere.
Nah, I don't think he's out because I think his kids have political aspirations.
They got to go too.
Also, like, rich people don't go to jail.
You know what I mean?
Like, he just finesse that shit, like Filibuster or some fucking whatever.
He got me in court forever for years.
Also, Don Jr. has been talking to country bumpkins for the last three years.
He don't want to put that to waste.
Like, he's been out there with the fucking I'm hunting vest, you know, the camouflage vest, talking to every one of these, you know, veterans of foreign war, what do they call it?
VFW, kind of like bars or whatever.
You know, he's been really putting it at work because he wants to run this shit one day.
Yeah, but if his dad leaves, he could still run.
Nah, it's hard to run if your dad's a fucking, especially law and order, and then your dad is a drink.
The country, bro.
Yeah, that'd be pussy to be free.
If he fled the country, that's pussy.
I can see him going back in the media.
That's what I think his move is.
He gotta.
He's gonna make so much money.
He's like a radio show, start a network, and then he's like legit manipulating elections and shit because he has all of his devout followers still fucking with him and stuff.
Yo, he would have way more power as a media person than as a president in terms of influencing politics.
Because as a president, you just got to sit there.
You can't say all the wild shit you want to say.
Yeah.
Right.
You can't really buck off.
But if he was doing that weekly shit, right, or even nightly shit, remember we watched that one Tucker piece and we're like, oh, Tucker is literally telling his, he's telling his viewers to manipulate politicians to have a certain specific political goal in mind.
Oh, yeah.
He was like, hold them accountable.
He was like really using pointed language.
And Tucker don't got close to the influence that Trump got.
Drum be bucking off, though, on Twitter.
Don't he be bucking?
Yeah, he'd be bucking.
Yeah, and he's been bucking for a minute.
And maybe that's why Indians like him so much because he be bucking.
My man is a fucking.
That's another thing we got to talk about: is like the minority support.
So there was another, somebody pointed this.
It was like for the last four years, the left has called Donald Trump like a racist, a Nazi, and all this other shit.
And the only group that reduced their support for Donald Trump was white people.
Yeah.
Every minority group that voted for him before increased their support, which makes me think he wasn't living up to those white people's racist expectations.
They were like, fuck this.
We out.
Let's go with the other old guy that locked up the blacks.
I can't fuck with this guy.
He kept putting the black people in the front row.
Yeah.
Got to get them out the front row.
He had the girl, black chicks in the back, yes, queen.
And they're like, uh-uh-uh.
We're not going to do this.
We're not going to do this.
Isn't that interesting, though?
Yeah.
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So what does that say?
Oh, we got to be careful.
Like, we can't talk as if he lost.
Nah, we don't know.
Nah, he might not be.
You think he's in?
Let's go!
I think this just goes to show that the polls are all bullshit.
Polls?
But the polls are closer this year.
A lot of polls said this.
I think they were farther.
No, in the popular vote, Biden was supposed to destroy Trump in the popular vote.
Yeah, they said he was going to rip him in Wisconsin.
He was going to lose.
So it could be close.
He was going to flip Florida.
He was going to flip Pennsylvania.
He said he was going to, I think in Pennsylvania, he was up like 10.
They thought he would get Texas.
The polls were saying he was going to wash Trump of everything.
And now we're looking at it like, oh, yeah, it's close.
We don't know which way it's going to go, but it's not a wash like the polls are saying.
So what do you think is happening?
There seems to be this great transition happening where white people feel not conservative white people have lost faith in the conservative Republican Party and they're flipping.
But minorities have lost faith in Democrats and they're flipping.
Yeah.
Like Trump loses these whites, but at the same time, Latinos are coming out.
Asians are coming out.
Some black dudes are coming out for Trump.
So what the fuck is happening politically and culturally?
I think, go ahead.
I think I can, I think I understand the Republican flip a little bit.
From what I understand, it's a lot of white suburbanites.
White suburbanites aren't super racist, but they're just like, I don't want to deal with a lot of the issues.
I can compartmentalize them, whatever.
I think in the past six months, everything got brought so closely to the forefront.
I think they're like, okay, I can't deal with this.
I think.
Since Trump's been elected.
I think they don't want to be associated with the party that's looked at as the racist party.
So they go out to the suburbs because they want a nice, calm life.
Minority Values and Conservative Shifts00:08:12
And this guy is making it too stressful.
Like everybody in the cul-de-sac is beefing.
I don't want all that.
I want to be able to go to the store.
I don't want flags everywhere.
I just want a nice, easy American life.
And he's making that life uneasy.
He's so polarizing that he's making that life uneasy.
Let me vote for the guy that's, okay, that's fair.
Mark, okay, go out.
And just the reason why minorities are coming on board, because some of us like that shit.
Let's fucking go to Morgan.
The more bravado you got, the more we like that shit.
So it's like, that's why.
That's why Trump was a hip-hop icon.
I think, and I want to hear your point, Mark, but I think what I think a lot of minorities are realizing is that they do have a lot of conservative values and that they were almost like bamboozled a little bit by the Democratic Party in believing that they were Democrats.
And I think the Democratic Party moved a tad bit too far left for them.
Like I think a lot of minorities, and again, don't let me speak for y'all, but I think a lot of minorities were like, all right, the Democrats care more about me, even though I don't exactly align with them on maybe like abortion or religion or these types of things or like regulation of stuff.
You know what I mean?
A lot of minority businesses, like when they're starting, like a lot of any business, you know, aren't very regulated.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, so the guy who's like making ices on the street don't really got regulation.
He just found some ice.
He's shaving that shit into cones, right?
So I think a lot of ways they're like, okay, Democrats, I've been told, care more about me than those other folks.
So even though I don't align on these other things, I'm going to fuck with them, right?
I think I'll fuck, I'll vote for them.
And I think maybe the Democratic Party leaned a little too far into those or leaned a little too far away from those core values that a lot of minorities hold, right?
And they really distance themselves from those core values.
They're like maybe religion, family, you know, identity politics a little bit much.
And then I think that's when they're like, all right, well, oh shit, I don't really got anything in common with y'all besides the fact that you say that you love us and I haven't really been feeling a lot of love from y'all.
So let me go try out these other motherfuckers.
Fair?
Fair.
Mark.
Sorry, I wanted to hear myself.
Al, just as a reaction.
I just think it giving people too much credit, like where we started.
I think it's just culture, just the feel.
Because like the polls were showing on Fox News, the stats, like so many people kind of agree with the issues, with the core values.
Yeah.
So it's not really a political side of, hey, your values aren't like mine anymore.
It's more so it's just like your energy, your feel isn't like mine anymore.
Yo, that's ragging.
I think that's true.
And I think that's coupled with, I think one of the most valuable things Trump ever said, and they clowned them for it, but I think it was valuable, was what do you got to lose?
Remember when he said that?
And I think to like every minority group, like who has felt like Democrats haven't really improved their lives in the way that they said they were going to, they're like, well, shit, if nothing ever really changes, why don't we just try out that other motherfucker?
I think that that's coupled with the energy.
Okay.
Yeah.
And I think this is actually something that you've talked about before, but it's like looking at minorities as a monolith.
Yes.
That's what these polls do all the time.
Yeah.
I see it a lot more from like, I guess, like the Democrat side, like the way they talk about, like, even with like Latino voters.
Yes.
It's like, oh, yeah, like Latinos obviously don't fuck with Trump.
And then obviously we saw with all the Cuban shit.
And Venezuelans, too.
Yeah.
But like, there's even, I think, like Sega was bringing this up, but like, there's a county in Texas.
Yeah.
Yep, it's County or some shit.
Is it Zapata County?
Zapata County.
It's like all, it's small, but like it's pretty much all Mexican.
It shares a border.
It flip that.
Shares a border with Mexico.
In 2016, Trump lost to Clinton by like, I think Hillary got like 65%.
65%, something crazy.
And then this year, he won it by like 52%.
That's how much motherfuckers hate their family.
Is that like your family's right on the other side of the border?
And they're like, wait, he's going to build that wall.
They're going to never visit.
Fuck it.
That is great.
You can just send money back and not worry about it.
Yeah.
That's why he left the little slots.
Yeah, yeah, just like an envelope size.
Yeah, you just toss that shit.
Yo, you know what, though?
And you've, again, brought this point up.
I think this is overall great for minorities that they're voting more Republican because you've said this.
Yeah.
Minorities should let it be known their vote is for sale.
Yes.
So both parties work to win their vote.
Yeah.
Because before Democrats looked at them as a monolith and were like, hey, we got them locked up.
We don't have to do anything for four years to serve them.
Trump, apparently, for four years was thinking about Dade County and the Venezuelan, Ecuadorian.
I don't know the politics that much, but I heard he was implementing policies to get their votes in four years.
Knowing votes are for sale, I'm going to start implementing policies to get your votes.
This is the best thing that can happen to minorities is they start flipping a little bit.
Not all the way.
Not all the way.
Either way.
Let it be split.
Yeah, your vote should be somewhere in the middle.
I could be bought.
What are you going to do for me for four years?
I could be bought.
Yeah, I think the more Americans start to realize that like not much changes, you know, and I'm sure me even saying that is inflammatory because some people are going to be like, my life completely changed when Trump came in and blah, blah, blah.
Who knows exactly?
I don't know what aid was cut to you or et cetera.
But life changes nominally for the majority of people.
So like maybe it bumps up 5% with one party and down 5% with another party.
That 5%, if you can stomach it, some people can't, but if you can stomach it, your vote should be for sale.
Yeah.
Because then you could actually get something for that vote.
If you can't handle that 5%, if you're already on the poverty line and 5% down, that kills you and your family, obviously you do what you got to do.
But for me, if I have way more to gain and only 5% to lose, I'm rolling them fucking die, bro.
Even then, it's like, I'm going to read your policies.
What policy suits me better as opposed to blindly saying, I'm voting Democrat, I'm voting Republican, one issue, this, that.
That's how I voted on the whole shit this year.
That's like, I'm registered independent because I'm like, yeah, I'm just going to see which policy I like.
See which candidate I like better.
And I'm not going to just go red or blue all the way.
Yeah, straight ballot, I could never do.
Yeah.
Sometimes you use Christmas tree that shit, guess.
Make a fake rationalization.
Every time I voted, that shit.
What?
So you read up on every single person.
No, that's why I said I was Christmas tree and guessing on something.
Oh, okay.
That's what I did.
But I was making a fake rationalization in my mind, though.
Like, some of them was like county tax collector.
I was like, you know, you know, throw a Republican in there.
You might shave a little off the top.
He might let you slide a little bit.
Yeah, he'll be cool with it.
But then I was like, election oversight committee.
I was like, make that Democrat.
You won't let any fuck shit go through.
Like, I was just making up shit in my brain.
Yeah, you got to justify your vote.
Trump won Hispanics, especially in Florida, because they already speak broken English.
So he just said all the buzzwords that scare him, like socialism and communism.
And they're like, no, no, no, not that guy.
We're not going back to that shit.
I think that's what he said.
But it is true.
They are petrified of like where socialism can lead a country.
And they only use the examples that they understand.
Like, obviously, Cuba, Venezuela, you see what happened.
So you understand the PTSD that comes from that shit.
I'm not shocked, but I think that what Mark was saying earlier is that when you look at Latinos as a monolith and you don't understand like the cultural differences between these countries, you just go, oh, they speak Spanish.
They all think the same shit.
They do not.
I mean, somebody's experience in Mexico is completely different than someone's experience, obviously, in Cuba or even Venezuela.
And if you were coming right from that, you have serious fear, bro.
You've seen your whole family have no food whatsoever.
You've seen your currency devalued like a thousand times and the other buddy go and literally you have some of these candidates going, we believe in democratic socialism.
I'm sorry, you said what?
That's the N-word to them.
That's fighting words.
Socialism, we are not doing it, bro.
So I understand that completely.
And the fact that like there are some, I imagine, like Democrat strategists that don't see that or don't understand that, you're just not doing your job, bro.
Yeah.
Like read the room.
Yeah.
Do you think that changes up with all minority groups?
What do you mean?
Like, do you think, because I don't know, I guess my, like, the prevailing view in my mind is like, oh, like, a black Republican is like a little bit weird.
It's like, it's not the, it's not very common.
I got this thought.
If Biden wins, right?
Which it looks like he may, may not, but if Biden wins, I think that the black exit from the Democratic Party happens in four years when if Biden and Kamala don't do anything for black people.
Because I feel like it's like this was the, it felt as if it was like, yo, this is the last time, yo.
Political Diversity vs Overcorrection00:01:03
Right.
Y'all got one more shot.
That's the thing.
I don't think it should be a black exit outright.
I think it should just be a black split.
I think there should be diversity in the political thing.
Every correction is?
Overcorrection.
So I think there's an overcorrection that's going to come with intolerance to not seeing the change that they've been promised for so long.
Right.
And if the right candidate comes up on the right that can actually lean into that, I think they could take advantage of that.
I don't think it's this time.
And it was so close.
But if they don't do anything, if there isn't a specific plan, honestly, if there's not a specific plan for black people by Kamala and Biden, I think you're going to see people like Charlemagne going, nah, we're not doing this no more.
The only reason I push back against that is because I don't think Biden has two terms in him.
So most likely it's going to be Kamala versus.
So they're like, all right, well, let's see what Kamala would do.
Fair enough.
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