Host Sheltie critiques Donald Trump's refusal to explicitly condemn white supremacy during a Chris Wallace debate, labeling the silence as cowardice that empowers extremists. While noting Trump's past disavowals of groups like the KKK, Sheltie argues his current "stand back and stand by" stance regarding militias is indefensible for a president, risking alienation of moderate voters despite economic policy benefits. The analysis suggests this strategy fails to secure moral credibility, as avoiding anti-supremacist rhetoric aligns the candidacy with white supremacists regardless of Trump's personal views or claims about left-wing violence origins. Ultimately, the segment concludes that such ambiguity undermines democratic integrity and forces a reevaluation of his support base. [Automatically generated summary]
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Trump's Silence on White Supremacy00:08:17
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And then obviously he comes to the point where he said they asked him, do you disavow or condemn white supremacy?
And he can't just outright do it.
And the biggest defense of this that I've seen from all the Trump folks, right, who just refuse to criticize him about anything, these fucking lemmings.
Like, I respect a guy who's objective and is like, okay, Trump does some good stuff and Biden does some good stuff and they both do some bad stuff and okay, fine.
But if you can't, you know, criticize anything about Trump, then there's no way to even have a conversation, right?
I'm going there and I'm like, all you got to do is just say, yeah, I condemn white supremacy.
And all these people are tweeting it because I was like, how do you just not say no?
And they're like, how many times does he have to say it?
That's crazy.
Yeah.
I'll tell you how many times.
As many times as he's asked.
Every time.
Every time you're asked, you condemn it.
Every time you're asked, are you going to build the wall?
Does he go, I've already said I'm going to build the wall.
Ask him, do you condemn ISIS?
Do you think he'd be like, I mean, ISIS, chill, stand back to stand by.
Not even stand back, stand by.
I don't have to say anything because I've said it in the past.
He will say every fucking time.
It's the worst excuse for it.
And when I see you, you being Trump, refuse to condemn white supremacy or any supremacy.
Just go, I condemn all supremacy except American supremacy.
He could literally flip it and be like, you know what supremacist I am?
I'm an American supremacist.
I condemn all types of supremacy, gender supremacy, racial supremacy, all that.
But American supremacy, that's it.
I'm America first.
You say that shit, motherfuckers are going to be ripping American flags off the wall, throwing them in the air, shooting guns.
They're going to be so excited.
Maybe not ripping them off the wall, but you know what I mean, posing them up on the wall.
Very excited.
But the dude is so terrified.
He's so fucking scared of losing that part of his base, the part of his base that he believes supports white supremacy, that he can't condemn them publicly.
What is he?
I mean, like, to me, that's just cowardice.
I think it's a huge miscalculation on Trump's part.
And Trump usually doesn't miscalculate.
And regardless of a lot of people are going to say or not, there are people, myself included, this on the fence, okay?
And I'm really struggling with this idea, like, could I vote for Trump?
You know what I mean?
Like, could I do it?
Right?
Could I vote for Biden?
Could I do it?
And I'm looking at it objectively, right?
A lot of people walking into debate, right?
I'm looking at it objectively.
A lot of people won't share this, especially people in entertainment.
But fuck it, I'll share with you guys.
And I'm looking at Trump and I go, you know what?
I don't want to fucking kill innocent brown people in the Middle East anymore for fucking oil.
Okay.
And I know if a Biden administration is in there, we're back at stupid, pointless wars, and we're shooting up fucking weddings of these innocent fucking people.
Okay.
And I don't want to do that.
I don't like having it on my conscience.
And if I got to pay another, another dollar for gas, I'd rather do it than kill a bunch of innocent families.
I'd rather not do that.
Okay.
Not to get too serious.
All right.
Also, economically speaking, Trump's policies, I think, are going to be better for the economy.
I really do.
And I think economy is very important.
I think a lot of people die when the economy is shitty, just like a lot of people die from a pandemic.
So it's something I'm concerned about.
So I'm like, okay, I side with those two things, him over Biden, okay?
Regardless if Biden believes any of the bullshit that he's spewing about diversity and helping people that have less and supporting and all the Democrat values that he seems to have like created laws that absolutely go against like the crime bill, et cetera.
Doesn't matter.
He seems to be atoning for those things or at least trying to atone for those things.
I side with that on Biden.
I'm going in here and I'm like, Trump, Biden, give me some inspiration.
Right?
If you say, if you don't condemn white supremacy in the most affirmative, assertive way, when asked point blank, do you condemn it?
I can't vote for you.
Yeah.
Removed my ability to vote for you.
Yeah.
That's what you did, Trump.
And there was a lot of people in the middle that are like me, I imagine, that now go, well, now it's indefensible.
Before I could defend it, if you just went out there and you just said, I condemn that shit, then it was defensible.
And I can go and I can go, look, he has stimulus packages for what was it?
There was the platinum planner he's trying to do for black people.
How are you going to say he doesn't like black people?
How are you going to say he's racist?
The wall isn't necessarily about racism.
It's about protecting American jobs, whatever mumbo jumbo he's trying to say.
There's ways that you can create excuses for it.
The second you don't condemn supremacy of any kind, I can't support you.
Simple as that.
Yeah, and it's annoying, especially because in the past, Trump has condemned it.
Like, I saw like multiple videos.
There's like a two-minute compilation of Trump condemning white supremacy.
He said, David Duke's the worst.
I disavow the KKK.
Yep.
White supremacy of all kinds is bad.
He even said, similar to your thing, I disavow all supremacy.
Yep.
And I was like, all right, cool.
But he's so stubborn that when asked point blank by someone in the media, hey, do this thing.
And he has Biden over his shoulder being like, yeah, do it, do it.
He's so stubborn that he's not willing to be like, all right, I'm going to do the thing, even though I don't want it.
Is it not stubbornness?
Or is it?
I saw amongst the people.
I've heard two things.
It's not stubborn.
What I saw is.
I've heard two things.
I heard one, and I'll keep his name quiet because it's off the record, but I've heard two things, right?
One is obviously, nah, he just doesn't want to piss off his white supremacist voters, right?
Two, I've heard he just absolutely hates media and he doesn't want to be told what to do by media because he knows exactly what they're trying to do.
Come on.
That's what I've heard from people who have interviewed Trump a lot and they know him.
That's another, and this is someone who told me this is not like some white Trumper at all.
He's just somebody who is, I believe, an objective journalist.
My only pushback on that would be: I assume in some of these two and these sound bites in this two and a half minute clip, he has been asked point blank by media members, do you condemn white supremacy?
I doubt it came up organically.
And for all of them, he was like, Yes, I condemn it.
Yes, I do.
I say, and again, this is the first thing.
A month or two ago, I started seeing like Trump is very concerned about winning this election.
So he's leaning into his zealous fan base that he knows will go out and vote.
Because whether or not you like Trump, most people don't vote.
We have strong feelings and we sit at home.
If you can really get a motherfucker to love you and fight for you, he'll go vote.
And that's kind of how I think he won in 2016.
Right.
One of the reasons, and I think now he's leaning more into it in 2020 because he's like, the moderates don't fuck with me as much anymore.
They do, though.
That's his miscalculation.
They front like they don't, but I'm telling you, there is a huge faction of moderates that would consider voting for Trump just because Biden is so uninspirational.
Clearly, there is because no one publicly supports him, but he got elected.
So that's a bunch of moderates that go out and vote for him.
And if they feel that's a thing that's best for them, I respect it.
And one thing I've been saying about Trump his entire presidency is: hey, I don't think he's racist, but the fact that he doesn't really call it out as much as he calls out everyone else, because he does a job to call out everybody ante for every single sentence.
So call out the white supremacist every single sentence as well.
And so he makes living in this country scary for me because it's like now you empower these groups and now they're like cheering.
Yes, this is my guy.
And so now anybody who's a fucking like loser kid in his basement just looking for a group to be a part of, now they might look towards these groups because like, oh shit, the president doesn't disavow these groups.
So it's like you're helping this grow by not speaking out about it.
And that's a shit I just can't fuck with.
To your point in one of your rants, it's not enough to not be racist anymore.
Yeah.
You got to be anti-racist.
Especially if you're the president.
If you're four jack offs in a podcast, all right, we can crack our jokes and what if you're the president, you got to condemn supremacy of all kinds.
Condemn white supremacists, condemn Black Panthers, whatever you want.
Jihadists, who cares?
Any supremacist, condemn it.
And then to just be like, yeah, but what about the left?
It's like, bro, this is wild.
And it is what he empowers is like, oh, and I'm not, I'm not the guy who's been bashing Trump for four years.
I thought he was hilarious up until Corona.
And now it's like, oh, this is a problem.
And I've heard the defense where people say, oh, well, Chris Wallace asked him like two questions.
And I don't necessarily think that's a good defense.
Taking the Bait on Extremism00:02:21
There's one question.
Exactly.
Because he had the opportunity because Chris Wallace asked him like, would you disavow or would you condemn white supremacy?
And he goes, yeah, sure.
And then he goes, well, okay, so will you condemn like militia groups in cities like Kenosha, blah, blah, blah.
And it was a different question.
And, but even if he's asking a different question, you just clarify.
I denounce white supremacy.
Hey, are you hoping?
However, you could say this.
You could go, listen, I denounce white supremacy.
I understand how militia groups would want to protect a city from burning, especially if they have friends that own these businesses.
I understand that.
If those militia groups happen to also be white supremacists, I disavow that white supremacy.
But I do understand private citizens wanting to protect their businesses or their friends' businesses from burning down when they feel they've taken no part in this egregious violation of rights against black people.
How simple is that?
How do I know how to answer that question?
You are the president of the United States.
You know you're going to get asked about it.
He knows how to answer.
He's just smart enough to know that this was going to be the biggest televised debate in history.
And it's too close to the election to say something like that and possibly lose that.
That's pussy, bro.
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That's pussy, bro.
That's pussy.
He's calculated.
And he fell from Biden's bait.
Like, Biden's the one that set up and said, oh, the Proud Boys.
And then Trump then took the bait.
It wasn't Chris Wallace that said the Proud Boys.
Proud Boys and Democratic Voters00:09:21
It was Biden.
Yeah.
And so he goes, who do you want me to condemn?
And he goes, the Proud Boys.
And then he fell for the bait and said, Proud boys, stand down.
And I think as he's saying it, he goes, but.
He didn't even say stand down.
And this, I listened to it again because Chris Wallace said, will you tell them to stand down or something?
No, stand by.
Trump doesn't say stand down.
He says, stand back and stand by.
Right.
Which even like, he won't even give Chris Wallace stand down.
Stand back.
It's like, take a step back.
And then clarifies and tries to help him out and be like, but also, you know, hang around.
Yeah.
And that's the shit that's scary to me.
Yeah.
Stand by.
What the fuck does that mean?
Yeah.
And they, and that is like, again, I think clever wording of they're going to hear that is like, yo, stand by.
We got orders coming to act.
Stand by.
Be ready.
Yo, stand by.
To me, I hear that as be ready.
Yo, stand by for the money.
That's an order in the military.
That's an order in the military.
That's an order in law enforcement.
Stand by.
That's like be ready for the next one.
How depressed are QAnons right now?
Why?
Why?
I'm just saying.
Like, they're like, yo, where's our shout out?
Like, I'm throwing a Q up or something.
I could have said 13 or 17.
What's the letter?
Yeah, 17.
17.
You couldn't give us a little shout out.
Where are we standing by?
Like, hello?
We've been rocking for you.
Everybody's a lizard.
We sell everybody the lizard.
Okay.
These proud boys get a haircut, and all of a sudden they're the gang that you support the most.
The unload child.
That's it.
That's a Q nonsense.
They had cool shirts, but what about us?
Get back in the basement is basically what Trump said.
Go back to your Googles.
And I don't think Trump is a racist necessarily.
I think he's a businessman.
He's a marketer always, and he doesn't want to lose his core demographic.
Yo, I mean, let's call it what it is, right?
Didn't he have some like racist real estate policy in terms of renting his places or even selling to minorities or whatever?
Not really.
Not renting, right?
Which was a very common practice amongst these like big real estate companies, right?
We've seen this type of racism permeate.
Like that's what it was common practice in America.
Pardon?
It was common practice in America.
Redlining.
Of course, redlining and like the not allowing, I think it was even, you said your friends.
Yeah, I had a friend whose parents' house has that in the deed from like the 50s.
Like it was in the 40s.
Yeah.
Basically the deed said, hey, if you do sell this house, you have to sell it to a white family.
Right?
So this was just common.
Yeah.
Right.
Not justifying it, but it was common.
So the question for a guy like Trump is in that situation: is he racist?
I don't know if he doesn't like black people.
I'm not sure.
But is he willing to compromise his values for profit?
If you're making the road for the Klan, like you're not in the Klan, but you're making it.
Like we heard this shit yesterday.
We got to look back to make sure it's real, but like that Coca-Cola couldn't sell their syrup to Germany during the war, so they made Fanta.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
But it's like, fuck you.
Yeah.
They don't get no sugary drinks, bro.
If you go hiss the boys, you don't get no sugary soda.
Yeah.
Simple as that.
Right?
No, I'm with you.
I'm with you.
I'm tight.
Like, how's Pepsi not running that?
Yeah, they fucking.
What is this taste test?
Ain't no taste test.
They're Nazis.
How about that?
Coke is Nazis.
This one tastes a little anti-Semitic.
Yeah.
I mean, what color is even a Coke?
Isn't it the Coke Zero Jews?
Is that what the Coke Zero is?
This is ridiculous.
Zero is the final solution.
How to get rid of all the calories?
Calories.
Oh, man.
So it's like, I don't know, man.
It was a real bummer, dude.
It was a real bummer because I guess I felt like I've defended Trump because I think that he has gotten an unfair shake by media.
I still believe he's gotten an unfair shake by media.
And I think that unfair shake is now justified because they've put a lot of stuff on him that is entirely not true because it goes along with this image that he just justified with that statement.
So if he wasn't that before, he's completely confirmed the suspicion of that by not just.
You know what's interesting is another workaround that a lot of people will do is I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer, right?
That's like a workaround that people see through, but people do it a lot.
He literally said, I will answer however you want me to answer.
What do you want me to do?
And then they said, condemn white supremacy.
He said, hey, guys, stand by.
That was like, he said, I will dignify this with an answer.
No.
100%.
This is how you know how pussy his fucking strategy is.
Yo, whoever's in his camp is terrified.
That's a terrified man on that stage, bro.
I've never seen Trump terrified, but just his demeanor, he didn't look confident.
He didn't look like the bully that he was.
I thought early on, man, I thought his Amy Coney Barrett answer, I was like, that's a fucking great answer.
What's that?
I said that.
My girl got upset.
They were like about rushing her into the Supreme Court seat.
He was like, look, the Democrats couldn't do it four years ago because they didn't have the Senate.
Yeah, with Mary.
We won.
So we're going to do it just like they would have done it if they won.
Yeah, it's great.
Great answer.
And that's when Biden is stumbling through that.
And I'm like, oh, this shouldn't be a wash.
It's your bloodbath.
Started out good.
Then one corona, once Corona came, you saw Biden kind of perk up and Trump start to lose it because he knows that's indefensible.
Yeah.
Another misstep that Trump made is that Biden didn't really have great answers for some of the questions.
He was like kind of fumbling, like he was kind of wandering, didn't exactly know where he wanted to go, didn't have his points lined up.
And Trump, instead of letting him fall on his sword, interrupted him and bailed him out.
Yeah, there was a lot of bailouts.
I saw some white-wing people saying that.
I also thought Biden let a lot of shit slide.
When Trump doesn't condemn white supremacists, Biden goes and defenses.
Oh, yeah, he could.
And it's like, bro, hop on that.
What are you talking about?
He just threw you the fucking lob, and then you're talking about Antifa.
Not about these vegan pussies.
I will say this: there's a I didn't understand Trump's strategy at first.
It wasn't until the next day when I came into the studio and I was talking to Robbie, right?
And I was like, I just don't understand what he was trying to do out there.
Like, you don't condemn white supremacy.
I don't see it, but I want to hear what you're saying.
Yeah, he's like, you don't condemn white supremacy, right?
So essentially, you're just playing into, I guess, your base that is, if not racist, they're okay with you not condemning white supremacy, right?
So you're borderline, you're close, right?
I'm like, what the fuck was he trying to do?
I don't get it.
And then Robbie goes, What he was trying to do is remove Biden's left support, extreme left support.
I was like, what do you mean?
He just lost the left.
And what did he constantly tag?
Oh, you're a socialist.
Oh, AOC.
Oh, you have the radical left.
You see the Bernie, whatever.
He's trying to take AOC supporters, Bernie supporters, any of those extreme, not want to say extreme, but very left-leaning folks away from Biden.
And he's trying to make Biden make statements like, oh, so you don't support the Green New Deal?
And now all the AOC people and all the Bernie people are going to be like, well, fuck this guy.
He don't support the.
And they might not vote for Trump, but if they don't vote, exactly.
So what he's trying to do is reduce votes in general.
And that's the whole thing with the Postal Service and mail-in ballots, et cetera.
He knows if he can reduce votes just to his extremist base, that he can win this election.
That's why he can't denounce white supremacy because that extremist base will vote for him.
They don't give a fuck.
His gamble is this.
Conservatives are going to vote for me because I'm the only option.
The extremists are going to come out.
Yeah.
Because they fuck with me hard and I'm not going to condemn them.
Democrats might be more split.
Yeah.
And if they are, he wants to keep that split that's to the left away from the pulse.
Yeah.
And that's all he was trying to do.
And I could see that strategy being successful because Biden is so uninspiring.
Truly.
But, but goddamn, you pussy motherfucker.
But that, I think, is where I think, because there are moderate Democrats in general, I don't think vote.
There's a saying, Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.
Like Democrats love a motherfucker and then don't vote.
Republicans are quietly just like, all right, we'll go to the pulse.
Yeah.
But I think when he says, when he doesn't condemn white supremacists, I think a lot of moderates are like, I think, are like, we got to get this guy out of here.
Yeah, it just is a bad look.
And what also frustrated me about that is that in that interaction, Chris Wallace goes, Will you condemn white supremacy?
And he goes, look, the violence does not come from the right wing.
It comes a lot more from the left wing.
Basically, asserting and conflating white supremacy with the right wing or like with conservatives.
And if you're a conservative, you're like, yeah, I just like, I'm not with abortion.
Like, I want like family units.
I don't want to.
I don't want to pay taxes.
I also want black people to live.
I'm not a white supremacist.
So if you're a conservative, you hear that, it's like, yo, white supremacy is not a right ideology.
Yo, that is crazy.
That's a window into his ideology about the election.
He's like, okay, these right-wing, he, even if he's not a racist, he believes his voters are.
And if you're a conservative in that moment, you got to take that in and be like, oh, that's what this motherfucker thinks I am.
Yeah.
Wow.
And that bugged me.
Like, because I would consider conservative opinions.
And it's like, white supremacy is not any of those.
We can see if we got a Democratic think tank behind the scenes motherfuckers listening to us because if they do, they will take Mark's idea.
And they will, this is what this guy thinks of you.
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