Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh condemn Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 3 as a "series ruiner" wasting $30 million on an invisible battle, mocking the lack of stakes when only minor characters died while Melisandre resurrected. They critique Arya Stark's dagger kill against the unthreatening Night King and highlight perceived racism in sacrificing black characters behind fire. The hosts argue Daenerys Targaryen illogically marched on King's Landing despite depleted troops, predicting her eventual downfall or a twist where Cersei Lannister seizes power, ultimately questioning if the show deviated from George R.R. Martin's vision to force a traditional hero narrative. [Automatically generated summary]
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Worst Game of Thrones Episode00:13:24
What an absolute dog shit episode of Game of Thrones.
That might have been the worst episode of Game of Thrones in the history of the show.
I am so thoroughly disappointed.
I walk in this room and Alex asked me if there was something wrong.
Did you not ask, Alex?
I did.
You were concerned.
I'm still concerned.
I am so upset.
I think they should check on George R.R. Martin.
I would not be surprised if he wakes up and he's dead.
He doesn't wake up tomorrow.
I would not be surprised if he killed himself after that massive flop of an episode.
Just missed layup of an episode.
Unbelievable.
I mean, let's spend $30 million on a fight scene and then have it be not visible the entire time.
Spend $300 more on a fucking light bulb so we could see something that was happening the entire episode.
You couldn't see shit.
It was a fog.
It was the mummy.
We just watched the mummy, right?
We watched the mummy without mummies or any big bad guy.
We watched a horrible dragon fight.
It was a dragon fight in a wind tunnel.
You don't know which dragon lived, which one didn't.
The blue one was retarded, just spitting fire all over the place.
It couldn't even...
I don't know what John was doing.
I got no clue what John was doing the whole time.
At one point, he just stands in front of the dragon ready to die.
Well, if you're ready to die, why the fuck you hiding behind the bricks?
What a useless...
Nobody important died.
Dicklas Theon died.
Jorah, who is a nobody, died anyway.
Okay?
Welcome.
Come on, Marco.
Have a seat.
Just trashing this horrible episode.
Theon, dead, useless.
What, Jorah, dead, useless.
Who else died?
Oh, Malasandra, who's been dead.
Bitch, cough out the fucking spell.
How many times do you need to say the fucking spell?
You've been here for a thousand years.
You said this stupid fire spell.
You're the fire bitch.
Just say the fucking fire spell and get the shit started.
She's trembling like Reek, trying to get this spell out.
What in, if this, if this wasn't the last season, I'd stop watching the show.
This is the episode that would make me go, fuck this.
This is not worth it.
This might be the tipping point for HBO.
We might have witnessed the moment which HBO turns into dog shit as a channel.
I am so fucking livid that you made me wait and get excited and like geek out with people.
Oh, the Batter Winterfell.
The Batter Winterfell.
And then a stomach, a gut stab from Arya off a drop blade is what takes out the Night King, the all-seeing, all-powerful Night King.
Really?
Really?
That's it.
No more, nothing.
And that, that, that, what a fucking absolute debacle of an episode.
Series ruiner.
I don't know how you recover.
I don't know how you, I don't even know how you recover from it.
How do you not kill anybody important?
Jamie's got one fucking hand and he's taking out these walkers like it's nothing.
One fucking hand.
He can't fight the rest of the show, right?
The whole rest of the show, the guy's getting washed every single fight he's in.
All of a sudden, he's Jorah of Mormont or whatever the fuck his name and he's just icing out white walkers, right?
Clegane, afraid of fire the whole fucking time, and he sees Arya's ass on a roof by herself looking fine.
The bitch has been in way more trouble, okay?
This is not the most trouble Arya's been in.
And immediately he's inspired.
Got to go take him out.
I mean, the slave dude really treated his army like a bunch of slaves when you think about it.
I mean, like, the first second he got, the first second he's got, he's like, hey, sacrifice the blacks.
Everybody in?
Hey, is everybody in?
Everybody safe?
Just let him eat up the blacks.
If you didn't think Winterfell was racist before, if you didn't think Winterfell hated black people, they had no problem sacrificing the horse Mexicans and the blacks.
Right?
All the whites inside?
Hey, all the whites inside Winterfell.
Hey, why don't you even let in some white walkers?
Let's let some whites and some white walkers.
As long as those blacks are on the other side of the fire, I think everything's okay.
What a dog shit.
I'm rooting for Cersei.
I hope Cersei takes them all out.
I really do.
I hope she takes them out one by one because she deserves it.
These fucking pieces of shit.
I hope they start with the executive producers of the show.
I hope she takes them out.
I hope that's the first people to go.
Those fucking idiots, Benoit, or whatever his stupid French last name is.
In this episode, we really thought Danny conjured a feeling of shut the fuck up and kill somebody like you used to.
Do you remember this show when they killed people?
How does Danny John, who's 5'8, by the way?
Did you know he's 5'8?
Have you read that enough?
Have you read that enough?
That's a joke.
Dude, I'm basically.
I don't know who John pissed off in Hollywood.
I don't know who he pissed off in Hollywood, but literally every story about John is he's 5'8.
You cannot.
Pop Sugar is tweeting shit.
Hey, guess who had to wear heels on set at Game of Thrones?
Which is weird because we've had decades of this with like Tom Cruise and like short hackers is not new.
He pissed off somebody in Hollywood.
He fucked someone's wife for sure.
For sure.
Guaranteed.
Okay?
Bro, I am so livid, man.
What a hey, let's say this episode happened, right?
Realistically, what really changed?
How has the plot been pushed forward at all?
Well, they resolved the existential threat that has been the entire time.
Right?
And we thought that was going to be the culminating.
We thought that that was the ultimate test.
And they treated it like a check in the box.
They treat it like a check in the box.
We knew that last week when this was the battle, and we said, this is the battle against the White Walkers, and then the remaining will go Feiser.
Yo, but the way.
By the way, this is Wester Bros.
I'm Andrew Schultz.
I'm here with Haney, Marco, Alex.
Akash is on the way.
Continue.
I forgot what it was going to say.
I am so fucking livid.
You ever walk to your boy's house and he's just getting reamed at by his parents as you show up.
That's how I felt when I said that.
What I mean.
Andrew came in high.
Yo, I mean, I wouldn't even have to.
Do the jacket off sat downs to turn the mic.
I wouldn't even talk to anybody.
I wouldn't talk to anybody.
I cannot believe.
I cannot believe that you would waste our fucking Sunday like that.
I cannot believe Sunday.
It's eight years of this.
Okay, let's.
I enjoyed the other eight years.
I enjoyed the other eight years.
Listen, man.
And I guess you're putting it up against Avengers, and that was so satisfying in every possible way.
So I was looking for double that this weekend.
I cannot.
Did DC make this episode?
Is that who made it?
Did the DC Universe sponsor the battle at Winterfall?
Is that what they were trying to?
Is that the point they were trying to make?
Because this episode fell so fucking flat.
I mean, nothing happened.
You got the White Walkers out of there like they're like, like they're nothing.
Like they were nothing.
Just kill Bran.
You don't need Bran anymore, right?
From what I understand, no.
Bran's out.
Bye.
I mean, like, first of all, what is Bran doing having a little fly during the middle of the fucking?
You walked into what?
Those crows?
Even Jack Tech said, like, you guys better talk about how Bran was in.
Why was he just flying around the whole fight?
In the middle of the battle.
You needed a better view.
Just a better view.
Hey, let's see what the dragons are up to.
It's the all 22 film?
Dickless Coward is fucking risking his life to keep you alive, right?
And you are eyes rolled in the back of your head, flying around with a bunch of crows.
What's out there?
He's thinking to himself.
He's bad.
All right.
All right.
So escalator.
You done?
You good?
You want to.
No, I'm not.
You're going to get out?
I'm not fucking good.
I'm just so fucking pissed off.
Let's start.
What happened with John's Dragon?
Pussy-ass dragon.
Bitch-ass dragon?
He showed up.
Was that the one who showed up at the end?
No, that was Daenerys' dragon.
No, Daenerys' dragon Dunzo.
No, Daenerys Dragon shaked off the White Walkers.
They're dead.
It's clear to me what happened.
I thought Daenerys Dragon died.
That whole thing.
I thought John's Dragon then went to Daenerys.
John's Dragon limped off like a bitch.
Like a bitch.
Like a little bitch.
And Daenerys' dragon was dealing with the White Walkers.
Then they killed the Night King.
And then all those White Walkers he was dealing with game over too.
So now he's straight.
I thought he was going to get taken down.
So wait a minute.
So her dragon is definitely dead?
No, she shook him off.
But then where did that dragon go?
What do you mean?
Put this down?
And then the mic?
Where did Daenerys' dragon go?
Put the mic up.
That's bad.
And then closer.
Closer.
Come in.
Come in.
Where did Daenerys dragon go?
After he was in the middle of the middle.
Is he in the frame?
Yeah?
The camera's right on me.
You need to be closer to the mic so that you can hear.
I don't need to deal with more things today.
I've been doing this podcast three fucking years.
This guy doesn't understand microphones.
What's the fear of the mic?
It's a little fear of the mic.
Huh?
No?
Okay.
All right.
Let's start.
Let's start.
Biggest complaint.
What's your biggest complaint?
What's the first time?
The beginning to the end.
All right.
So I need to.
The beginning to the end.
Gotcha.
The beginning to the end.
First of all, did I miss something where they figured out how to hide from the White Walkers in the crypt?
Did I miss something?
What do you mean?
The crypt's big.
That was my impression.
They just hid behind a tomb.
A tomb.
Is this Scooby-Doo?
We have all the White Walkers.
Where's Scooby-Doo?
We know the Whites don't have any peripherals.
Yeah.
They just go forward.
What do they have?
I actually like that scene, but that's a different thing.
The one with Arya when she was kind of tap dancing around them.
Arya.
Oh, no.
That scene was fine.
That was a great scene.
That scene was fine.
If we want to really break down the episode and go into each person's storyline, I'm with it.
I'm just talking about Crypt.
I'm talking about Crypt with the Midget and Sansa.
Sansa.
Midget and Sansa have a cool moment.
I'm cool with that.
I even liked their moment earlier where it was like, you were my favorite husband.
You know what I mean?
It would have never worked out.
Let's go piece of dialogue.
Love it.
Great.
Okay.
The zombies are everywhere in the crypt.
Everywhere.
Hey, the zombies are coming out of the tombs.
Hey, I got a good idea because I'm the wittiest guy in all of Westeros.
Where should we hide?
Behind the tomb.
But there were no bodies behind that wall.
How do you know?
How do we know there's nothing in it?
Santa knows.
Santa knows nothing.
This girl knows nothing.
All she does is get raped the whole show.
What do you mean she knows?
Ned's tomb?
Yeah, I thought it was Ned's tomb.
But why did Ned come out?
I mean, that would have been some real job.
What are you?
Okay, Ned's got no head.
Do they need a head?
I don't know if they need to.
They don't need feet.
They don't need ankles.
Unclear, right?
Unclear.
My point is, you had so many things you could have executed in that fucking crypt.
You have Ilana Stark or whatever it is come out and kill her own daughter, right?
Or have to fight your own mother, have to fight your own father.
Like, let's do some real cool shit in the crypt.
Not just a couple bones come out, chase after some meaningless characters.
Nobody gets killed because nobody ever dies in Game of Thrones.
What show is this?
What show are we watching?
Different show.
It's a different fucking show.
If George R. Martin's.
It's a traditional hero show now.
Son, it's a hero show.
Is that what you just said?
Yeah.
A hero show.
It's a traditional hero show.
What a dog shit fucking show.
George R. Martin, if he wrote this episode.
He didn't.
I know he didn't.
First of all, the White Walkers would have titties.
You didn't see no titties the whole fucking episode, right?
You have no, nobody important dies the whole episode, right?
No sexual misconduct whatsoever the whole episode.
It's a battle.
Every episode's a battle.
You don't think there's a little fuck time?
Not in this one.
Aria is not in this one.
A week pregnant.
Not in this one.
This bitch jumping like she's not with child.
All right.
She just in your first good night before.
How is she not sore?
That's another thing.
She's a virgin, Hyman Buss by Big Dick Gendry.
Paraffian.
Adrenaline.
A motherfucking paraffian, bro.
And she's not a little bit sore.
No wincing, nothing.
Walking a little ginger.
A little.
She's not jumping 16 feet into the sky to take down a fucking white walker.
Bro.
The scene in the library was cool.
It was a cool scene.
Why was that cool?
I thought that was stupid.
It was like.
What was the point?
Why are they walking around?
Because they're dumb.
They're looking for her.
They need to see it, and then they acknowledge it, and then they all come in to attack on it.
So unless they don't engage her.
They didn't even know she was in there.
They didn't.
So she had to hide from them.
Yes.
So why are they in there, period?
Yeah, they were looking for anything at that point.
They were already breached everything.
Where'd they come from?
Because it seemed like one was in the room, and then all of a sudden, six area.
They were gradual, as they were getting more and more through Winterfell.
I think they were just gradually adding them on.
That would be a natural course of action.
Missing Resolution and Suspense00:15:18
I think it was dumb.
And then the moment she's outside of the room, all of a sudden, none of them are there in the hallway.
No, but then they bust through.
Yeah, but if they're slowly walking.
You would imagine she would run into one of the halls.
They wouldn't be in the hallway.
It's still.
She was just so stupid.
Listen, the whole show is horrible.
Just kill somebody.
Kill somebody of importance.
Let me feel that.
Let me feel like there's some stakes here, okay?
How do you kill nobody?
There was even some easy deaths that they could have got her way.
Go.
Sam didn't have to make it.
Where is Sam?
He's probably eating a fucking turkey leg somewhere.
He's alive.
You assume he's alive.
No, he's definitely.
They would have shown die.
He's alive.
He should have died.
Why is he still beating these things?
He's not good at fighting.
Bro.
He's good at everything.
Well, that's more along like the Jamie Warren handle.
A lot of people did not hate the episode.
Are you kidding me?
I didn't hate the episode.
What were you expecting?
I didn't think it met expectations.
Did you watch Avengers this weekend?
I did not.
Did you?
Not yet.
First of all, that's why you didn't hate it.
There you go.
Avengers was everything.
This wasn't.
I'm not going to say anything that happens in Avengers.
Okay?
I know the power I have over you.
So your first complaint, you couldn't see shit.
100% agree with you on that.
Yeah.
For the first 40 minutes.
Dark.
It was dark and dusty.
If you want to do that fast motion battle scene, you can have it in dark, snowy.
There's no way this costs $30 million.
I do this whole battle scene for $10.
No, I think the dragon fighting was probably $28 of that budget.
$28.
Guaranteed.
Dragon fighting?
I could do that with two cartoons.
I could do that with two fucking toy dolls.
And a mechanical bowl.
That's it.
One mechanical bowl, two toy dolls, a little wind.
Give me a fucking...
A blow dryer.
A blow dryer.
What a horrible fucking scene.
Continue, though.
Please tell me what you liked about it.
Because I would like to feel better right now.
Let's go through the critiques.
Let's go through the critiques.
No, no, no.
Can we start with what you liked?
Let's open.
Can we go in chronological order?
Okay, let's go in chronological order.
Can you just tell me what you liked, please?
Anything about it?
It was suspenseful, right?
And music was good.
The music was good.
You're watching me like.
You want to know some real shit?
I didn't think the music was that good.
I thought it was fucking garage band.
I thought anybody could have put those things together.
Okay, go.
Go.
You want to know why it was suspenseful, Haney?
Because for the last eight years, we know anybody could get it.
We know anybody could get it.
Right.
And we were waiting for someone to get it.
For sure.
And then when they didn't satisfy that suspense.
Oh, my God.
Like, no one of substance died.
The only good thing was that little girl.
Like, you knew Sion was going to die, and I thought they spent too much time, like the camera focused on, like, yeah, because it wasn't suspenseful.
You knew he was going to die.
The little Mormont bitch that's always got an attitude about everything.
Yeah.
Her dying was satisfying just because I've been hoping that happened for a few seasons now.
But the way that she died, I mean, like, so fucking pointless.
The giant brings you up to his eyeball so you could get a good look at him.
And you have now been crushed by a giant, have the strength to pull out a dagger and stab him in the eye.
Yeah.
Right?
I mean, like, Haney gives me a bear hog.
I'm out of breath.
That's it.
Bro.
How?
Just tell me how she made it through.
How?
You can hear her bones crack.
She's built like a Cornish hen.
Okay.
She should be destroyed.
How can this giant has to treat her with baby gloves just to not deceive her?
I thought we were going to get like that Ober and Martell like gruesome death scene in that spot.
I was like, oh, her head's going to explode.
And then she got like, even she got like a little hero's moment.
Yeah, she straight to the eyeball.
Come on, dude.
You've got a broken rib.
You can't even throw a football.
My biggest problem with the whole thing is that now it telegraphs like where this is going.
And it's like, it's going to be like tied up.
Like, there's nothing suspenseful about the Xersey stuff.
Like, eventually, like, John's going to end up on the throne.
Let's, okay, let's get there in a second.
It's going to be like very simple and tight.
We'll do predictions in a second.
I also like the cat and mouse game with the Night King and John Daenerys on the dragons.
I was enjoying that.
I was enjoying that as well.
What?
Like, where he hops up out of the clouds and then goes back in the clouds?
I was into it.
I was into that too.
I was into it.
Little dog fighting on the dragon.
You get trash in the episode.
I thought it was good.
Yeah.
You're letting the bad stuff influence the few good parts, but like that was a good scene.
Like, in the context of everything else went differently, like, those would have been good scenes.
You want to know why I couldn't appreciate it?
Because it dawned on me, maybe halfway through.
No one was going to die.
No one is dying.
Yeah.
And the second I knew no one was dying, I was like, you fucking sons of bitches.
They turned it into entourage.
They did.
They turned it into entourage.
It was fucking castle entourage.
That's all it is.
And once you know no one's going to die, all of a sudden those dragon scenes mean nothing.
All of a sudden, Danny by herself in the middle of the White Walker.
I thought she was, I was, I thought that she was going to go.
No, I knew that they wouldn't take her out like that because they didn't make her brave enough before they did it.
Like, they didn't set it up.
They set no one up to die.
Like, last episode, it seemed like last episode set a lot of people up to die.
This is why it was so frustrating to me.
Last episode was the OOP, right?
They threw that shit.
It was the alley, right?
They threw it up on everybody.
Jamie, ready to go.
Theon, obviously, ready to go.
Jorah, ready to go.
Tyrion, ready to go.
All these people.
Brianne ready to go.
Brianne got knighted.
Brianne got knighted, ready to go.
It was so many people ready to go.
So the alley is right there.
All you got to do is dunk it.
That's it.
A brave death.
It's not even that hard.
Like, Jorah's death was, it wasn't even that good.
Not good.
It was like, this motherfucker rode so hard for Danny.
This cuck, while everybody fucked the girl he loved.
He protected the door, listening to some dude banging out the chick he loved for season after season.
And then you barely even give him the hero's getaway.
How did he get there?
Two.
I don't know.
Right?
Like, there were a lot of reaches in that.
I believe he saw the dragon go down.
So many reaches.
Oh, my God.
What a dog shit.
I like the Aria twist that ended up being Aryan.
I ain't got to lie.
I screamed when Arya killed him.
I'm not like it.
And I'll tell you what.
When she ran off, when her, you know, Melisandra said.
The blue eyes thing.
That was kind of a cool comment she was talking about.
Yeah.
Yeah, right.
And she ran off.
I said, go find the Night King.
Yeah.
Right.
And then throughout the course of the episode, I completely forgot that she was there.
So the whole time that Night King's doing his super slow stroll to Brandon, which that was another bad part, right?
The guy's on the one-yard line and then decides to just stop and just walk across the goal line for putting it in, right?
So I'm like, there was like a good few minutes where.
And what is the walk?
All of a sudden, he's walking like Willie Dean.
Look at that structure.
Yeah, no, no, no, no.
His shoulders are moving this.
My man was feeling himself, bro.
They should have played swag sir.
He had a strut.
That's not.
That makes sense to me.
This close of ending humanity.
Like, you gotta get that off at some point.
There's no feeling.
These guys have no feeling.
It's not a dynamic character.
He wasn't tight.
He wasn't excited.
He was like, boom, time to go.
I'm gonna get my sword mad.
Slow.
So as he's doing the slow strut, I'm like, oh, this is enough time for John to sprint out of nowhere.
And I completely forgot about Arya for John to come out and do his thing.
And then the camera goes back to John, and John's about to, you know, he's eye to eye with the dragon, not doing shit.
Dragon opened his mouth.
I don't know why he wouldn't just fucking stab it right there.
I don't know.
They were doing like a talking to him.
In 1999, I was like, oh, shit.
Like, I enjoyed that moment.
I enjoyed the moment of Arya coming out and doing it.
Yeah, it was cool.
Whether how she did it was cheesy or not, I enjoyed that twist of Arya being the hero.
You want to know how that would be dope?
If you killed everyone she loved prior to that.
That would be dope.
Like something had to have would have like a death around her that sets her off.
Sets her off.
And then the Red Witch says, yo, it's on, son.
And then she goes for it.
And then all of us would go, let's fucking go, Arya.
This was just music.
Yeah, let's go.
This was the reaction I had to that.
It was, whoa, word.
I was shocked because it happened out of nowhere.
And then I was like, really, bro, that's it?
That's it?
Game over for the White Walker?
What a trash.
I also enjoyed it because I looked at the clock and I'm like, is this shit really about to end with just Brandon and the Night King staring at me?
I would have liked that to be further.
If that would have been a cliffhanger, I would have been annoyed.
I wanted resolution on that chapter in this episode.
So if that would have ended with just them two staring, that was the cliffhanger, I would have been a little annoyed.
Right?
Also, another thing I liked.
So now it's hot.
So now the weather's good?
Winter is gone.
That's it.
Winter's gone.
That's it.
So now it's peaches and cream.
Now we're just fighting in the sun.
Yeah.
So now we're going to show you.
Oh, it's San Diego.
Yeah.
What a piece of shit way to finish out the season with 85 and sunny.
We're only halfway through the season.
But there's only three more epis left.
Yeah, halfway.
Also, this did not need to be an hour and 22 minutes.
You knocked the shit out in 30 minutes.
No one died.
30-minute episode.
I also enjoyed when she tried to burn the Night King down, when Danny tried to burn the Night King down, and that motherfucker just kind of died.
Yo, but you didn't know that that wasn't going to happen when she was when the flame was on him for a good five minutes.
As soon as she got it opened its mouth, I was like, that motherfucker was not going out like that.
I knew it before because it was like, this would be too easy.
This would be way too easy.
Everything about the episode was too easy.
No, but it's not what a lot of people want.
Oh, the dragon's going to burn the Night King down.
Like, they've been building that up for a while, and then they gave it to you, and it was like, nah.
And you knew at that moment he wasn't going to die.
But the fact that they brought it and did it at that moment, I don't know.
I felt kind of fulfilled.
The problem kind of rewarded that.
You've been waiting for that scene for eight years and then you got it.
The problem, too, is that we never got to really know the White Walkers either.
It's like there's been this big character of the show that we know nothing about and we still kind of don't really know anything about.
No character development.
How is it supposed to be satisfying at all?
Because from what they were season one is what they ended up being.
Nothing.
Like the interesting thing about the White Walkers was what that episode at Hard Home when they sneak attacked him and as he's going away, he raises the dead.
And then you learn a little bit of something about them.
We've gotten nothing else since that.
No emotional attachment to this bad guy whatsoever.
He's gone and it's meaningless.
I thought him and Brandon would have had said something to each other, maybe.
Unless.
Like, give a little backstory on him.
If they find a way.
Did they get the backstory, didn't they?
With the people at the tree, the first time.
Yeah, and then they got those people at the tree out of the way.
It's just, or maybe they just wanted to get all the supernatural elements out of the way before they go fuck with Cersei.
Yeah.
Maybe that's it.
But like, my feeling is, this is what I was hoping this episode was.
I was hoping that they pulled a little switcheroo.
They sent a few dudes at Winterfell.
They thought the people in Winterfell fight them, think that they defeat the dead.
And John is like, no, the Night King isn't here.
And then the last scene, you see the dragon, that same shadow that you saw earlier in the season or earlier in the series, go over King's Landing.
You see that dragon shadow again over King's Landing.
Boom, it's on.
We get another White Walker fight.
We have the decision where we would have a decision where the people of Winterfell have to decide: hey, do we go help this woman that wasn't willing to help us, or do we let her have the exact same fate that she let us have?
Yo, but that wouldn't be sustainable.
Because they were going to lose that battle eventually.
Who was they?
Everybody in Winterfell.
They were so overrun, like, that was going to end.
Unless.
No, I'm saying they wouldn't bring all the White Walkers to them, and there'd be nobody to raise the dead after they were killed the first time.
But you feel like he could do that from anywhere.
I don't know.
Because if he could, he would.
That was kind of awkward how that happened, too.
I think he needs to be around it.
I need at least proximity.
But my point is, the way that you, what you do is you essentially make the people of Winterfell Cersei.
You give them the option to be as evil as Cersei is.
What's up, son?
Come on in.
Akash is here.
So you, right?
So in that hypothetical situation, they get to decide what they would do in that moment.
And a bunch of them are going to end up going, nah, leave her.
And then John has to come and go, if we leave her, we're just as bad as she was to us.
And John has to be the hero in the moment and do what is right.
Yeah, that's how you tell a fucking story, right?
It's like you have to make the greatest thing about Marvel is they make the villains rational and reasonable.
The worst thing about DC is the villains are just like, I want to destroy.
Why do you want to destroy?
I don't know.
Right?
And right now, you have this White Walker.
They tried to make it rational.
They were like, he wants to end mankind and you end Bran, you end the history of mankind.
It was interesting.
There was something going on here.
And then what a fucking flop of an episode.
We just talked about how dogged was.
Akash got caught up.
Andrew came in super hot, went on a however long tirade of just about how awful the episode was.
I didn't hate the episode.
I loved it.
I thought it was out.
I thought the ending was a little.
I just felt like I wanted Jon Snow and the Night King.
I wanted that.
So, yeah, so that scene, Mano Imano, right there.
I wanted that.
And he just kind of lifts it all up and says, fight these guys.
I'm out.
I'm keeping my eye on the prize.
Which I thought also was fitting because later on, John sees Sam getting crushed.
And old John would have turned around and got Sam.
But John was like, I got to keep my eye on the prize.
I got to get the brand.
Oh, I miss that.
Yeah.
John's fighting through.
Maybe because it was pitch black.
And you can't see a single thing that you can do.
And then we've got to get to why Akash liked this episode because I'm very curious.
Say Jamie died, Brianne died.
Yes.
If we got a couple deaths that really hurt us, would that change your whole perspective on the episode?
Completely.
So just that.
Danny died.
I'm mad that the gang is still intact.
I'm mad that you just wasted an hour and a half of my life.
It was a complete waste of my life.
You wasted an hour and a half of my life.
Nothing has happened.
Nothing has changed.
I'm with you on the gripe, but it didn't ruin the episode.
For me, it ruined it because I don't watch this for sword fights.
I watch this for character development and story development.
And right now, the story's the same.
Cersei's on the throne.
We got to fight Cersei.
It's no different, right?
You literally just wasted an hour and a half of our life and $30 million.
HBO subscriptions are going to go up by $2 because of this episode.
You took money out of my pocket for a waste of an episode.
I thought Brianne died.
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No?
Did she not?
Nobody died.
I thought Brianne died.
Everyone that died, you saw the head of the dramatic, you know.
Jorah died.
Jorah died.
Jorah Mormont.
Dion died.
And then the little bitch died.
And then Melissandra died.
The one-eyed.
His name, Ed.
Whatever.
I saw Brianne screaming up against that wall, and I thought she died.
And it does hurt a little bit that nobody died.
I was thinking.
Kill Tormond.
Tormond's still around.
Grey Worm didn't die, which we all thought was the obvious ones.
So she just up against the wall screaming and doesn't get killed?
Yes.
She screams a lot.
That's the first time her life's stored up in a wall screaming.
She's the only woman in this episode.
She's going to go through this.
Someone pushed up against a wall screaming.
I think we can assume they didn't die.
Yeah, I just assumed that was madness.
Didn't die.
Nobody died.
That hurts.
That's upsetting a little bit.
That's my only issue.
If you killed Danny, if you killed Danny up top, I'm like, boom, okay.
Let's go, White Walker's cook.
If you killed John, cool.
Just kill somebody.
You needed a major death.
I needed him.
You know what?
I needed John or Danny for how dog shit the episode was and how like the lack of visible, you know, you made this, you made this battle a big thing, right?
They market the fuck out of this battle.
This is the most expensive battle, the longest battle.
How many seconds of the battle you think were visible?
I get what you say.
I think we're getting wrapped up when they were in the field and that shit was completely not visible.
But when they moved within the walls of Winterfell, it seemed to be a little bit more visible.
Agree.
It's Braveheart at night.
It's no different.
Braveheart, dope as fuck.
Yo, that is kind of dope.
Also, William Wallace dies, which is a valid point of yours.
Spoiler alert.
If you haven't seen the movie in the last 20 years, my point is, once you've seen Braveheart, now we're not seeing something crazy new.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, for me, I thought this was going to be dynamic in some way.
Like, I've seen the zombie horde thing.
We've seen Walking Dead.
Everything we saw here, we've seen.
The dragon shit wasn't even that cool.
It was, I don't know.
I enjoyed the dragon stuff.
I thought it was alright.
Like, if you've seen Godzilla, you've seen that.
Do you know, like...
Yo, man, I liked it.
Like, I liked all of it.
I agree with you.
People should have died.
It would have had more of an impact.
Who would you have die?
Any one of these guys.
I said last week I thought either John or Danny would die.
So one of them, Jamie, the obvious guy, Grey Worm, either Brianne or Torman.
Bare of them.
Little Sam.
Bare minimum.
I thought Jaime was a lock to die.
Like, that was... Sam.
That was it.
Great point.
Little Sam.
Kill Sam's kid.
Kill Gilly.
I thought Gilly died, too.
Is that not the bitch dying?
Nope, nah.
Gilly didn't die?
No.
Okay.
No one of importance in the crypt died.
Son, how does nobody in the crypt die?
Sansa, kill Sansa.
Kill Tyrion.
Tyrion and Sansa should have died.
Together.
No one in the crypt died.
Sanity got die together.
They didn't even love each other ever.
Sansa could have got it.
Tyrion needs to stay.
Oh, my God.
Nobody in the crypt dies?
A couple people dies.
It's no one important.
Who?
Can we name a name?
No, we can't name a name.
I mean, this is mind-boggling.
What show are we watching?
You build up the crypt.
You even say once in the beginning of the episode.
Did you hear that?
Yeah.
Somebody goes, something, something, the crypt.
Like, it was a...
They were really targeting the crypt.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay?
And then nothing happens in the crypt?
Nothing, bro.
You don't bring back Liana Stark.
You don't bring back Ned Stark.
You don't bring back any of the old Starks.
And you don't kill any of the live ones?
Why the fuck?
Hey, guess what, guys?
Going to the crypt was the right idea.
Yeah, you're right.
You're ruining the episode for me.
I'm ruining everybody right now.
No, you missed the beginning about how racist Winterfell is.
I'm glad I was late.
I'm glad I pulled a cast.
Look.
Yeah, I remember we went to go see, you and me went to go see Hangover 2 opening weekend, and just because everybody else was laughing, we thought it was funny.
And then other people who saw it later were like, yeah, the movie sucks.
And then I think both of us, I know, I collective, I was like, oh, that movie did suck.
That's what's happening with it.
I was real hyped.
I came in.
You start bringing up points.
And now I'm like, fuck, did I not like that episode?
That's why I like so much.
I thought people got got.
I thought Gilly died, and I was happy I went to look at that fucking thing.
Gilly is indestructible.
Diabetes is the only thing that's going to take out Gilly and her fucking cow's own throat.
Yo, okay.
No, it was like, it didn't.
It was out of all the battle episodes, it was nevern't as good as Battle of the Bastards.
It wasn't as good as Battle of Blackwater.
It wasn't as good as...
Where are the other battles?
Hard home to World War I was the first.
I'll agree with you on that.
It did not meet expectations.
Red wedding.
But it wasn't.
Take out everyone.
Let's go.
But it wasn't.
The Red Wedding.
It was still like an entertaining episode.
It was fun.
I thought it was fun.
Guys, the Red Wedding is the crypt.
Right?
You got everybody locked in a room.
All you got to do is take them out.
Hey, everybody else could make it.
And you know what they should be trying to do?
Like, Vera should have died.
Like, what purpose is Vera serving?
Look, look, here's a beautiful way to take the episode creating.
Dude, here's the way to do the episode.
You have all those people in the crypt, and then you have Snow, Daenerys, all these other people on the outside trying to get in to save him, but they can't get in.
And one by one, Sansa goes, Tyrion goes, Gilly goes, and they're banging on the outside trying to get in, and they can't.
Episode ends.
Oh, Game of Thrones.
That is a Game of Thrones episode.
You know what's interesting?
I was thinking about this.
You know, we say anybody can get got in Game of Thrones?
Yeah.
Who has really gotten got since we stopped following the books?
Specifically, since we stopped.
No one was just Littlefinger.
That's it.
Yeah, but like.
But he's a bad guy.
Nobody.
Pussy.
Maybe that's.
Pussy.
HBO's pussy.
That's why.
Maybe George Martin.
That's his thing.
Get everybody.
And then the TV people are like, nah, this TV is pussy.
That's what it is.
That is interesting.
Because I also thought there'd be more between the Night King and Bran.
Little something.
There's nothing.
Nothing.
I thought there'd be something.
When they were looking at each other, I thought you'd be like, oh, shit, he's a stark.
Everybody was right.
Then nothing happened.
Give him a head tilt.
I think I was like, Little El Tento.
I thought it was a good idea.
No, you know what the head tilt was.
Go ahead.
No, the head tilt was Bran saying to him, you're about to die.
And the Night King going, what do you mean?
Oh, is that what it was?
Okay.
I was going to say, I know there was some sort of silent dialogue there, but I didn't pick up on it.
Because they can both see what's happening, right?
And like, Bran, I guess the idea is he can see a little bit in the future, but it's not clear.
I was doing a little research about that.
And I think that's essentially what happens is my man hits him with like, you know, just a thought.
And that guy's like, what are you talking about?
And that's why Homeboy knows when Arya comes at him.
Because Arya sneaks up on anybody, right?
That's her shit.
And so he catches her on the sneak, and then the thing drops.
Boom.
Prison shit.
Didn't Brand give Arya a weapon?
He gave her the dagger.
So Arya killed him with the dagger Brand gave him.
That was the dagger that last season.
That Littlefinger gave to him, the one that was supposed to have, they tried to kill Bran with.
That's kicked off the whole show.
Ah.
Right?
You remember that?
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
I forgot that Melisandra ever met Arya.
Yeah, I forgot.
I still don't remember when Melisandre met Arya.
I still do not remember that.
When they looked at each other, I was like, why are they looking at each other?
And then when they spoke, I was like, I don't, I still don't.
Yo, when they captured Gendry, she was there.
Right?
Remember, they put the leeches on?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right?
She got him.
He had King's Blood.
She went up to the Andrew, like the cage wagon.
Correct.
Uh-huh.
When they were with the fireman, the Lord of Light people.
Barrick.
I also.
I was like, no, I got to give him up to her.
And then they had a little moment, and she walked up to Aria and said that thing about like, you know, many people are going to die from you.
Question.
Shoot.
Shorty says, or somebody says to the Sully, Sully, what's his name?
Greyworm.
Greyworm.
Says the Greyworm, Vala Morgulis.
And then he says something different.
Vala Vaharis or something.
Yeah, Verhais.
I don't know.
That's like.
Is that like a message?
I literally just have to say that.
That is the.
That's how that's going to happen.
That's how it's hard to talk about.
Okay.
It wasn't like, because it was a shorty that said it to him.
It was Melissandra, right?
I thought she was like, all men must die.
And he's like, and then he was like, all women must die.
No.
No, there is a second part to that.
To the all men must die.
I don't know.
Well, apparently nobody was dying.
Maybe that was what the interaction was really about.
He said tonight.
All the Darth Rocky, though.
Go on.
And the blacks.
Bro, they really said that.
They really sent it to the doc.
Yeah, like they put him on the kick coverage show, right?
He's running out there with the guy who's the one guy in Middle Tennessee.
He's kind of fucked up.
Son.
Kind of fucked up.
And Ghost, too.
Ghost is on the coverage team.
Okay, what happened to him?
Oh, yo, Ghost's going to live.
They don't kill a dog.
They couldn't do that on the other side.
No, no, I do that.
Oh, that's right.
Ghost, at least kill the dog.
I'd be okay if you.
Well, no, you can't kill the dog because John's still alive, right?
Isn't that the thing?
I don't think so.
My understanding was if the dog dies, then they're like tied together.
So here's what I did enjoy about the episode: everybody's predictions were all wrong.
Yes.
I'm sure people are going to be like, no, I knew Ariella was getting.
Nobody, everybody's predictions were dog shit.
I like that.
And I liked that.
And I like that we all saw two episodes and we forgot everything that we saw for eight years.
And I was like, this is what's going to happen based on two episodes.
And knowing that dagger thing about the Ari thing is cool that it all came full circle.
Yeah.
So I think those are both cool.
And my initial thing was this was fun.
It wasn't as good as Battle of the Bastards, but I had fun at the battle.
And then I didn't see the ending come true.
And all week, we kick around these conspiracy theories and none of them are true.
Knowing nobody died does bother me.
But we did see the ending coming kind of.
Admit that.
We saw them beating the Night King in Winterfell.
Correct.
Sure.
And like, I guess some people thought they're going to King's Landing.
That became.
That became a theory.
But I was hoping.
But don't you want to have something else happen than what you were expecting to happen?
Yeah.
That's what happened.
That's why I started thinking that.
The episode wasn't bad, but no one died.
I started thinking that because I was like, there's no way they would be so simple as to just let them beat the White Walkers this week.
Please let something else happen.
No, because that's it.
Now we're moving on to the real battle.
The battle of what the show's called Game of Thrones.
Now we're going on to the battle for the throne.
So what's interesting is I thought I always thought for the last couple years it's going to be flipped.
Everybody thinks this game of this bullshit throne matters, and then we're all going to have to realize at some point, yo, this is what matters, is the White Walker.
Right.
So I did not see it happening.
But that's what it was for like the past, like, you know, from like last season of this season, the, you know, the attention kind of diverted from the throne to the White Walkers.
Right.
And then we got that conclusion today.
Now we're back to the throne.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I do wish people had died.
I thought Brianne got it.
I thought that was great.
She's a knight.
She dies like a knight.
Be out.
And I thought, what's her name?
Gilly Fish.
What's her name?
Gilly.
Gilly.
I thought she died.
Bro, I just can't.
Okay, let's talk about predictions.
Isn't it funny she got gills in her name and her fucking body slaps out like that?
Let's talk about predictions.
Next week, the North is severely depleted.
Yeah.
One dragon?
One dragon.
They have one dragon and they have.
You guys said two dragons.
You guys said the other dragon.
Potentially two dragons.
You think that dragon?
We don't know for sure.
They had all the white walkers on the stabbing end and shit.
I assumed it died and came back, and that was the one that was.
That's what I thought.
That's what I thought.
I didn't want to say it because you guys were not even close to that, so I just kind of was like, maybe I'm an idiot.
But that's what I know.
Why?
Because the first ice dragon I thought died.
When?
When they were fighting.
Yeah, I thought they killed him.
The two of them.
I don't know how they killed him.
Sarah or whatever the one other one is.
I thought killed him.
Drogo, whoever.
Yeah.
How do you kill an ice dragon?
How do you kill an ice dragon?
They didn't dragon glass it.
But look, you got dragon teeth.
If you got two dragons, that's just a rap.
You're not killing two dragons.
So they have a crossbow and they have a harpoon on the crossbow.
Okay, so, all right, let's just get back into what the predictions are.
Okay, so we have severely depleted.
You literally only have the main characters left in the north.
That's really, you have a handful of people and they're the main characters.
You'd rather have the Dothraki.
Way rather have the Dorothraki.
You have a lot of the Unsullied, like Grey Worm and a lot of the Unsullied.
No, the Unsellied are dead.
They left them out there.
Grey Worm put the fucking switch.
Guy got a little bit of pussy.
And that's it.
He's got beach planes for when he's all.
He's just like, yo, man, I am going out.
I may wasn't friends with any of them ever.
Yeah.
Unsullied, done, right?
Dothraki, done.
They got 30 Northerners tops.
Now they do have the Iron Fleet, right?
Because Yara went back to the Iron Islands.
Let's say she took that back.
So boom.
She's got the...
She would do that.
Potentially, right?
And then you got, they'd have to flip Dorn.
I think the Dornish.
Is Dorne still in play?
I think Dorn would still be in play.
Dorn got to be.
They got to have a fucking play.
I thought those bitches that killed.
But they got an army.
That's a country.
I didn't even consider Dorne.
Yeah.
What about the Brothers of the Harpy or something like that?
Remember that those motherfuckers that were at the original slave bay, Slaver's Bay?
She can gather around.
She can gather up.
Well, the Knights of the Veil there.
Because it did not see the true Prince that was promised, Robin.
Sometime.
So Knights of the Veil potentially are on the board.
Yep.
Okay, so she needs a couple armies, right?
Because she's going up against the Golden Company.
The Golden Company and whatever Cersei has.
They're wildly depleted, and they're about to march for the throne.
And we know that because in the preview, Danny says, okay, we've, you know, but won the battle.
Now we have to take the throne or whatever that nonsense is.
Is it even smart to go right away?
Oh, she's not going to wait.
But why?
Like, you got good weather.
There's no time.
Winter's not here.
Summer's here.
Why even...
This is why the story starts to suck.
It's like, what's the impetus for going now?
Heal up, chill.
Matter of fact, let Cersei pull up on you.
Exactly.
Procreate.
Create some more people.
You have no urgency to get this throne.
Let Cersei come to you.
Why would you go after it depleted when she just got the full army?
She got a dragon.
One to two dragons is the thing that they think.
That's it.
That's all you need.
Yeah.
Sure.
But do you understand what I'm saying?
Fall back, recover, heal up, go at it.
Okay, so that's the logical thing.
What do you think?
So maybe that's what the next two episodes are.
There's three episodes left, right?
Three episodes.
Say the last episode's another battle.
Maybe the next episode is them gathering up an army again.
Going, getting the Knight of the Veil, getting Dorn, getting wherever, building up the army again.
It is weird to do this in episode three.
Am I the only one who feels like this weird to have this giant battle?
And then they've closed.
Yeah, sure.
Couldn't you close that out in chapter five?
Nah, because then you need the time to rebuild.
It's just a little odd.
I think it should have been Cersei and I think the whole thing should have been, hey, it's real, like you said earlier, the throne is meaningless when we got these White Walkers.
And that's a metaphor for life.
Yeah.
Right?
Like all your hobbies and passions are meaningless when you have death on your doorstep.
But it really is shitting on that concept.
It's basically like, no, your hobbies are really important.
Don't worry about death at all.
You had cancer?
Hey, don't worry about it.
You like crochet?
Keep it up.
Do all your crochet.
Don't worry about that, Cancer.
It's a horrible message.
The message should have been like, hey, this thing that we thought was so valuable and so important is actually meaningless when your whole body, sorry, when your whole family is going to be ripped to shreds by this.
Last episode, I was like, I can't see them doing the fucking whole bat.
Like, there's no way episode three is just the White Walkers.
It has to carry over.
I was shocked.
I do agree.
That's an odd choice.
I enjoyed the episode.
I had fun.
I'm not looking for deep meaning or art from it necessarily.
I had fun.
Ending was cool because I didn't see it coming.
I do wish Jon Snow and the...
That makes me feel a little unfulfilled because it's like, yo, isn't that what we're building toward for years and years?
Is this?
But I had fun.
What did John even do?
What did he even fucking do this episode?
Yo, he didn't do anything, really.
Dude, way to bum it up, bro.
Brilliant.
Way to bum it up.
They killed a bunch of white walkers.
What did Daenerys do?
John was short enough to fit underneath rubble.
That's what he did.
That's what he accomplished this episode, to fit underneath rubble.
What did Daenerys do?
She at least had him saved John.
Jora 6.
They all saved someone.
Sure.
But she had Jora 6 the whole time.
She was stabbing motherfuckers.
She was taking people out.
You never saw her fight with a sword before.
That was interesting.
I'm actually more impressed with Danny.
She also said, fuck, like, she was like, we need to go now.
Oh, words.
She pulled up.
She put the dragons in the mix.
She said, fuck the throne.
Let's go.
Yo, John was all about letting them Dothraki die.
Right?
You know what it was?
He was like, oh, all their cousins.
He fucked you.
Which one?
Which one of them's the sons of Cal that fucked you?
Okay, we're going to let them get let up.
That's why she's just trying to go.
John's like, hey, John, you see next week, John's being like, hey, let's relax.
And she just like listened.
Oh, he was the one who taught you all those moves?
All right.
All right, bet.
Look at his sword.
That shit is out, isn't it?
Yeah, I thought it was funny.
She was still giving him a little attitude at the top of the episode.
It's like, bitch, it's zombies.
But you still fighting?
Oh, my God.
Ain't that just like a woman?
No matter what the money is.
They don't listen to nothing, bro.
You trying to say, listen, these meaningless characters that don't even got names, speaking goofy ass language, just let them die, bitch.
She's like, no, I got to risk my life.
Okay.
Auntie.
That's what he's supposed to say.
That's why he's upset.
That's why he calls her Auntie.
Can we just talk about this?
Stop calling you that.
It's uncomfortable.
Did you show when in the scenes from the next episode, it was Danny who's kind of holding court, addressing everyone.
She's still the queen.
Right.
John hasn't been like.
He's not pushing the issue.
Yes.
He's still PTSD a little bit.
He don't give a fuck, man.
He won his battle.
Well, Sam's still alive.
But no, no.
He gave, he went to her and was just like, I need you to beat them.
They're gone now.
Yeah.
Now we got to have that talk.
So now let's have that talk.
Now, now let's talk about it.
And Sam's still alive and Bran's still alive.
Right.
And those are the only people that can confirm it.
That'd be another dope thing.
They should have killed Sam and Bran, and now there's nobody that can confirm that John is the rightful heir to the throne.
But of course, they leave both of them up there.
You know what I'm saying?
Make some shit interesting.
Make some shit cool.
Now you got to walk around with FL like, yo, that's my aunt.
And people are like, aren't you fucking like, yeah, but it's like a thing.
It's a thing.
Aren't you the king?
Yeah.
Yeah, but why are you telling people this?
You know, so she got it.
So, like, I let the bitch have it.
I ain't fighting about it.
I'm still hitting it.
Like, we sleep in the same bed.
And she just gets the chair.
Yeah.
Who wants to sit in that chair?
Yeah.
She sleeps on my side.
Speed out of swords, bro.
Yeah.
That's funny.
He's like trying to touch.
It's overrated the throne.
Like, I said it's cold.
It's a cold stress.
Yes.
Like, everybody looking at you.
Like, don't you want to just kick it some days?
It's just like a wedding.
It's like, look, the bitch really wants it.
Let her have it.
You know?
Yeah, saying, do it if you got it.
I just say 10 G's on the ring.
I don't got to do nothing.
He's making the financial decision.
John is smart.
You don't want to do anything from the house.
No, that's office hours.
He's like, listen, I'm not trying to be on that throne Monday through Wednesday.
You know, that's it.
I'm the king of the north.
Let this bitch be the king or whatever.
Whatever.
Yeah.
You know, it's fine.
Yeah.
Type that.
That crazy ass bitch.
Yeah.
Listen, and she got a dragon.
What y'all going to do, really?
I mean, when I had a dragon, I was popping off.
I was like, nah, I'm the rightful heir.
And now she's the only one.
It's like, you know, you need to do compromise.
Compromise is important in all relationships.
Do you think it meant anything that the dragon?
Because that was John's dragon that went to her.
That was the dragon John was riding, right?
I got very unclear.
Son, it's three card money with the dragons.
I got no clue which dragon is alive.
We have no clue which dragon is which.
All I know is Dracarius, if you say that motherfucker's name, is a smoke show.
Smoke show.
Okay?
Nobody else seems to have the fire.
I thought that meant fire.
Dracaris.
No, no, that's his name.
No, that's not his name.
Drakaris is fire.
Oh, where?
The three dragons are named after her brothers.
Rhaegar.
Rhaegar Viscerin or whatever, which Drogo, which I assume is for Carl Drogo.
Drogo.
His name isn't Drakaris?
No.
That's just the command that means fire.
It's like, hell.
Yeah.
Dragon Names Confusion00:02:38
Good thing we have this podcast.
Yo.
That would have been dope right before Khalees went down on him.
He was like, yo, Dracarius.
Let me get that fire, bitch.
Okay, predictions then.
The next episode is just a building of.
So it's useless app?
Yep.
Back to that.
Long-term prediction?
I have no fucking idea because I can't believe all these people are still alive.
Whatever it's going to be, it's going to be John's going to end up on the throne somehow.
Okay.
Because this telegraphed the way these guys are writing the show now.
It's just to be like.
Predictable.
If you've identified John as the guy, he's going to be the guy.
I don't know exactly how he's going to get there, but do we get the debts that we're looking for?
So, wait, why do you, humps are you probably?
Why do you think this qualified to telegraph John as the guy?
Because when they basically told this story with all the heroes, like before you got here, we said they've turned this into a traditional hero story.
They said it's all the good guys.
He said it's entourage now.
It's entourage.
Like, the good guys that we all like now are going to win.
Are always going to win.
And it feels like the easy answer is, oh, John, he's the guy we followed around.
He's the purest of heart.
And he actually has the birth right now.
Yeah, we're going to put him on the iron throne.
I kind of think he's.
Two fits, right?
Checks a lot of boxes.
It is a complete, talentless, exec move.
And it's a coward exec move.
And execs, they operate based on how can I keep playing my mortgage and paying my mortgage.
And if I fumble this by doing something brave, I might not be able to pay my mortgage.
They're chasing Sopranos.
We saw what they did to him.
Exactly.
Right?
Exactly.
Yeah.
Right?
They fucking crippled that man.
Do you know?
And it's just because they go, well, I don't want to killed off the wrong person and then I get fired.
Right.
Right.
So you hopefully you get someone, a writer of a show.
And like, maybe to his detriment, David Simon has so much power.
David Simon's the wire.
He has so much power that they just let him make horrible shows now.
But sometimes you have so much power where you can actually make, you can actually be brave in your storytelling.
But it's clear that these motherfuckers at HBO are not going to be brave.
I mean, yeah, I guess you're fucking right.
Unfortunately, it's going to be John on the fucking.
I think he won't want it.
I think he's going to give it to you.
I can see that.
I also think there's some feminist shit going on.
Like Arya killing the Night King.
Like, I think that's one of the progressive type moves.
You know what I mean?
Like liberal progressive.
Hey, the woman is going to do it.
Power Hungry Storytelling00:05:54
So I could see John being like, no, she's the queen.
She deserves to be the queen.
Is the last, I can see that.
Is the last scene them kind of like lowering the throne so John Dango?
Or they just get rid of the throne?
Putting a stepstool up to the throne.
No, that's what they're going to do.
They're going to end up getting rid of the throne.
They're going to turn this into a parliament, right?
And they're going to have all the main characters now.
That's what they're going to do.
Practical.
Wrap it up.
Last episode of this podcast.
But in all serious question, what if they switch it all up and then Xercei wins?
Yeah.
What if they do that?
You get all the deaths you want, and then you don't get a happy ending of John or Danny on the throne.
Okay, ready?
Would that redeem it for you?
Would that redeem tonight?
You ready?
The only way they can pull us out is if Cersei ends up on the throne.
That is the only way.
And then this whole episode was an okie-doke.
This whole episode was the, hey, you think everybody is going to, it's going to go as planned, and you think all these guys are going to end up making it.
And then Cersei clips one motherfucker after another one.
And the last one is Sansa.
And, you know, she's just looking right at her and she's like, you will never defeat me, bitch.
And then, boom, sits on that fucking throne.
Game over.
I am standing up, fucking applauding.
Let's go.
If they have the balls to do it, they don't.
They don't.
Listen, I'm not going to front.
I like a happy ending.
I would have taken everyone dying except them two.
I'd have taken everyone dying except John and Danny.
Everybody else get it?
That's fine.
Everyone else dying is cool with me.
Just keep the two.
You know, in the movie with a happy ending, the best one died.
I want one of them.
One of them dying is fine.
Danny could go.
Yo, so here's the thing that annoyed me, right?
Danny, they were building Danny up to be irrational, and they were building Danny up to be power hungry.
Right.
But we might see that in the next two episodes.
And we might.
But I would like to see a little more of that.
I'd like to see that continue in this episode.
But this episode, she was just heroic.
So it was like, all right, now are you making me like her again?
Now, does she have a potential storyline that we want to root for her?
I thought we were rooting against her.
So I thought a lot of what they were doing.
Real quick, real quick.
Also, to that measure, there's a moment in the crypt where Sansa seems petty talking about Danny.
So now they're flipping us on Sansa.
So whereas Sansa was rational before and she was like protecting her family and skeptical of this.
No, I think we were just trying to show that there's still beef there.
But there's the moment where Grey Worm shorty goes, you're right, because we'd all be dead if it wasn't for her.
And that's like a subliminal, yo, we got to show some love.
She was the first one to jump in with the dragon and the fire.
I don't know.
You understand what I'm saying, right?
The thought crossed my mind after we left this.
It was like Tuesday.
I was like, oh, we all sat here and made predictions based on three episodes of this season or two episodes and forgot everything from eight seasons.
So it does seem weird that Danny is just this like bad bitch and noble when she needs to be and selfless when she needs to be.
And then all of a sudden in the last half of season seven or whatever, she gets power hungry.
I ought to look back on that and been like, that's like y'all jammed that in mad late.
So I thought a lot of this shit was going to be from Mr. Rex.
When she smoked homeboys.
Yeah.
That's the idea with her character is you're not going to see her go crazy until she has the power and the power is what makes her go crazy.
They spend so much time talking about the Mad King that you're probably going to see her become the Mad King.
That's what I hoped would happen.
Maybe.
That was my brother's prediction that she would be just like the Mad King and then I think John John would have to murk her or Jorah.
So here was the beautiful thing.
I don't even know if we spoke about this one.
Last week.
Remember when Sam gives Jorah the sword from his family?
We talked about this.
This was last week.
We spoke on this last week.
We thought Jorah would kill.
No, we said we texted about this.
Okay.
So this is how much they keep fucking shit up, fam.
You guys are going to leave me off that text forever, huh?
You're on it, but you don't show up.
I know those texts.
It's not the right number.
All right, we're going to get to the right number.
So basically, this is how much they be fucking up the story, right?
Sam gives Jorah the sword from his family, which was Sam's father's sword, Nightspain, right?
Now, we know that Danny murked Sam's dad, who was the guy who held Nightspain, right?
I'm hoping in some beautiful poetic ending, Jorah mercs Danny with Nightspane because Danny has gone power hungry.
She's turned into the Mad King or the Mad Queen, if you will.
And the person that loved her the most more than John is Jorah uses the very sword.
You wouldn't have liked that.
There's no scenario where Jorah would have ever turned on Danny, though.
They made that absolutely clear.
But that would have shown how extreme she's gotten.
Yes.
He's the one guy that wouldn't turn on her.
The one.
Dude, I would love it.
I would love it.
And it would pay, like, he'd be crying while he did it.
It would be the most emotional fucking scene.
Do you really want Jorah to have that kind of moment, though?
It's over.
Jorah's done, man.
Yes, I want him to have that moment.
Jorah's done.
Not this little thing.
I'm painful for Jorah to die.
Yeah, Jorah had to die.
But he was meaningless.
I'm saying then you would give his character arc something.
Then he actually loved her so much that he was willing to take her out so that she didn't become this person that she was never supposed to be.
Remember, he fell in love with her because he truly thought that she was the rightful queen, right?
Yeah.
So him killing her.
Because he used to spy.
Poetic.
Originally he was a spy.
Yes.
He was there to spy on her and then he came full circle on her.
That'd be full, full circle.
That'd be 360 is if he ended up killing her.
But that's a rap.
Oh.
That's right.
180.
No, you said you've gone 360 because you started out.
Jorah Death Missed Arc00:12:59
Yeah.
It's math.
I got one.
You got that shit, babe.
Aren't you a math major?
Several times over.
He's a master in math.
I'll tell you what.
Yeah.
If there's a scene in the last episode that's Greyworm and Masande on a beach somewhere, I might be with you.
That'd be brutal.
That would be...
That would be really...
It's going to be fucking Andy Dufrayne and whatever the guy's name is.
Red.
And red.
Yeah.
Morgan Freeman.
Yeah, Morgan Freeman, Andy Dufrayne just walking on the beach and Dorn.
Yeah.
Nah, that would be a good thing.
It's going to be the last episode.
That would be too much happiness.
That'd be bad.
Grey Worm should have gotten murked.
He really should have.
But now they're really running that love story, so now they're going to end up making it.
Yeah.
Ugh.
It's a possibility a lot of these dudes get merked in the last episode.
Maybe this was the Okie Doke, and they do all die.
Just not tonight.
Doesn't feel that way.
Because it's been on a downward slope since George's stuff ended, right?
And culminating with the episode last season where they tried to kidnap the white.
That whole storyline has set this Game of Thrones off into like a spiral, I think.
Which one?
They tried to kidnap who?
The White Walker.
And they take him back.
That plan was half-baked.
Yeah.
And it didn't even accomplish anything.
Nothing.
Cersei was like, I don't give a fuck.
I'm not going to go.
Y'all up there.
Yeah.
How happy are the writers?
They're like, we don't got to follow that sadistic fucking George R. Martin.
You know, they probably wish that he...
They're probably begging for him right now.
Well, he gave him the ending, right?
It's going to end how he wants it to end.
Is that right?
I heard he told him what he wants the ending.
And they've been filling in the blanks.
They've talked about it.
You've read that?
Yeah, yeah.
Wait, explain, Akash.
Go.
I think it's kind of a loose, like, look, this is what I want the ending to be.
And then you guys write, you guys get there however you want to get there.
This is what I want the ending to be.
Yeah.
Okay.
Because I was low-key hoping that they carried out the season as it was or carried out the rest of the seasons as it was and finished the show how they saw it.
And then George would put out the books.
And the books and beaches.
Waiting for laughing.
I'm cashing these motherfucking checks.
No, You get it.
You get all your money.
Cash those checks with the books.
And then HBO goes, let's run it back.
Let's do it the way that George wanted it done.
And then they do the exact same thing.
And, you know, all of us would sit there for the last fucking two seconds.
Because the whole thing where that first part was like a vision from Bran.
Boom, that's it.
Right?
Yeah.
You roll it back, and then all of a sudden he's like, Ron Crow.
Sitting in front of the White Walker with his eyes again.
All right, we'll start from here.
Boom, done.
Yeah.
And we would all watch, and you'd make double the fucking money.
It'd be beautiful.
You have two things.
One, real quick, what was Bran doing the whole episode?
We don't know, man.
He was just flying around.
He's flying, bro.
You don't ever take any flight in the middle of one.
As I think about it, he was kind of just watching everything and seeing what he wanted to know everything that was going on in the battle.
Okay.
Where the White Walker's at, where's Night King at?
Where's John at?
Second thing, what if George R. Martin had writer's block, but then at a certain point he was like, let me just see, let these motherfuckers finish, see what everybody likes and dislikes.
And then when I write the books, I can just make shit everybody likes better.
True.
Hot.
Hot.
I mean, like.
Oh, they thought too many people lived in this scene.
I'll get rid of some of them.
Hot day.
I've been reading.
Hantay is a good one.
Apparently, you also, I heard this like before the shows got ahead of the books, but he knew the ending to the point that apparently he said some people online have predicted it.
This is years ago.
So he has an ending in mind.
I mean, yeah, but that's, you know, you just predict every single outcome.
Sure, yeah.
But you can say, my point is he had an ending in mind.
And I'm sure some fucking jackass threw out a thousand and one of them was the one that George R. Martin is.
But my point is he had an ending.
And he was like, oh, somebody did get it right.
Cersei, you got to root for Cersei.
Tear it all down, bro.
Tear it all down.
She flies away on a dragon.
I invested 10 years in this fucking show.
I'm not letting this bitch.
Yo.
She's taking over, dog.
You got to be Team Cersei now.
You really want these.
I'm more into it now than I was a week ago.
I am more into it.
I said kill everybody except John and Dragon Bitch, and I'm good.
I called it.
Cersei's the smartest one.
Called Arya was going to kill the Night King.
You did say that?
Yeah.
On the episode?
The only thing I got wrong, I thought she was going to have the face of a white.
Oh, no, shit.
That's right.
And I called that Cersei's going to end up on the throne.
Damn, Al?
Al, you might be right.
I wrote this shit.
I wrote this shit.
Any other predictions?
I think, no, I think John is going to give the throne to Danny.
That's it.
That's what I think is going to happen.
Do we think everyone's still living?
I hope not.
Three weeks.
I hope in that battle.
That they are not.
You can't be that foolish.
Look, Danny and John got to make it to the last step.
Right?
Do we still think if Cersei goes, it's Arya with one of the faces of.
I can see that.
Captain or Jamie?
We know for a fact that Danny and John make it to the last episode.
That's pretty clear, right?
Yeah.
I think we're all on the same page there.
Yeah.
Unfortunately.
So if it's Danny and John, it's going to be Danny and John Cersei.
So now we know the three of them are making it to the last app without a doubt.
So everybody else can go in the meantime.
Yeah.
Right?
No one else really has to be there.
Are they going to kill anybody else, though, based on their stuff?
They missed their opportunity.
There's going to be another mess.
Maybe, here's a question.
Maybe they want to build up Cersei's villain character, so Cersei will take out several of the characters that we love on the show.
I thought maybe that battle would lose.
That's what I was thinking.
And maybe not a battle.
Maybe like a strategic move.
What's that P-word?
Like the second last episode?
Penultimate.
Penultimate.
So is that the episode where everyone dies?
Is that the next battle?
So like next week is setting up that battle.
Then episode five is the battle and mad people.
Someone got to go next week, bro.
Someone got to go.
No one's dying next week.
Somebody got to go.
Next week is all just filler setup.
Is Brom still going to kill Jamie?
That's his name, right?
Bram, Brom, Bron.
Bron.
Bron.
No, not.
Yeah, Bron.
Braun.
Bron.
Yeah.
Is he going to still kill Jamie?
No.
Can't do it.
Can't stop, won't stop.
But he won't do it.
I don't think Arya is going to do anything of super significance against him.
She's going to have a child.
Like, I think she got a ring.
She's going to have a child.
She is pregnant.
Oh, yeah.
She's got a child, fine.
100%.
But she's not going to kill anybody.
No, she did her shit.
She got to let her head heal.
Right.
And she's just going to be pregnant.
I guarantee she's pregnant.
Guarantee she's pregnant.
And that's a Baratheon star kid.
Yeah.
I had a hypothetical.
Are you guys happy or upset if this whole shit ends like the Red Wedding?
Like a form of that where it's like they're all celebrating and just think it's over.
Everybody just gets murked.
I would respect the gangster of it.
Andrew would love it.
I'd be sad, but I'd respect the gangster of it.
I think Cersei.
I think Cersei.
I'm attached to nobody.
I think Cersei, and it's going to be another form.
Because the Red Wedding is the episode everybody talks about.
Yep.
Why not end it just like that?
Oh, the wedding of Kendrians or Danny.
Or Danny and John.
Danny and John.
Danny and John would be the one who would have it.
How do we get rid of the mountain?
That's going to be Clegane Bowl.
That's going to be the two.
That's going to be the two of them.
Okay.
So this is good.
Before we get out of here, how long are we going to wait?
107.
Okay, so before we get out of here, real quick, let's think about, let's just go through a couple of the majors and how they get out of here.
So the mountain, Clegaine Ball.
He's going to die, though, during that fight.
Clegaine as well?
Feels like that's going to be an Arya Hound tag team match that they take out the mountain.
Now, did the Mountain do anything to anybody else?
Wait a minute, Dorne.
If Dorne gets involved.
Who's left cool on Dorne?
There's like no one who can do that.
What about those chicks?
One's dying or dead.
Assumably.
She took the pointy.
Two other ones.
The mom's there.
I guess the mom's still alive, theoretically.
I'm a fan of that mom.
Yeah, the mom don't play.
Yeah.
Interesting.
So, okay, so boom.
So there's a couple people that could potentially take out the mountain.
We see that.
Cersei.
You could have Jamie.
I think Jamie got Jamie, Tyrion, or Arya.
What about Sansa?
Could be Sansa.
I think Sansa is the one I would put on that.
That's the hitch.
I don't really.
I never understood the Aria Cersei thing.
Wait.
Like, why that would be Aria?
She's the last name on her list.
Like, they never had an interaction.
I think Cersei takes out Arya.
And I think that's going to be a painful one for all of us.
And then Sansa's like, I'm going to need that vengeance now.
Sansa ain't killing no one.
There was a line in this episode, right?
Where Shorty gives Sansa the put the pointy end in.
And you know where that pointy end is going to end up going in?
Cersei's end.
In fucking Cersei's abdomen or jugular.
Yo, when was that line said before?
Because that line was simple.
It was said to Aria by John when he gave her the needle.
The jiggled of the needle in the first second episode or first episode of the show.
And then said last episode from Arya to Gendry.
You know.
Oh, I saw this on.
Just put the pointy in.
I had no idea what you were talking about.
I thought you got the names wrong.
I saw this on Instagram when Alessandra said to Arya, you will kill many people.
Brown eyes, green eyes.
Blue eyes.
Blue eyes.
So if you kill blue eyes, brown eyes is Cersei.
Green eyes is Danny.
No.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Go.
Keep going.
Keep going.
I'd have to find the meme, but blue eyes is Night King.
Brown eyes is.
Cersei.
There's a lot of brown eyes.
That's true.
A lot of brown eyes.
Green eyes is.
Danny.
And she's the only person with green eyes?
I mean, the only important person I can think of.
The mountain also blue eyes.
Mountain blue eyes.
Does he?
It's like purple.
I don't really know what they are now.
I think it's purple.
I thought it was just brown eyes, green eyes.
Are we ever going to see under his fucking helmet?
Yeah.
Probably.
We're going to see.
It's probably not good.
It's going to go down.
Yeah.
There's going to be the shock and awesome Star Wars scene.
Yeah.
That's going to look real dumb.
I thought it was brown eyes, green eyes, like most people have brown eyes, green eyes, and then blue eyes.
That's how I took it, but that's a good theory also, though.
Okay.
So, okay, Cersei, we have the potential Cersei.
And then the dragon.
Does the dragon make it?
Yeah, at this point, why wouldn't it?
Nah, they built up that fucking.
I think by the end of the series, all the dragons are gone.
Yeah.
Because they built up that thing that shoots it too much.
Yeah, but they did that, and they kind of realized how stupid it was.
No, it started, right?
It knocked it.
Yeah, but then he was fine after.
Pulled it out of his side, and that was it.
I mean, that's your first jumper.
It's not.
I would be upset if they went backwards instead of.
They tried that defense.
It didn't work.
That's my theory.
Then they made adjustments.
Half-down adjustments.
That's it.
They could have made an adjustment.
That's it.
When the Night King threw that spear at the dragon, were you waiting for it to come back to him like the Thorham?
I was really waiting for it for it to kind of go, Paul had that spear before and then come back around.
No, nobody.
Yeah, but they never.
He missed once.
Did he?
Yeah.
Well, they missed in this episode, but they never show the scene of him walking really far to go get that spear.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, wouldn't he just raise a dead guy?
Yeah, bring that back for me.
Did I play catch with that guy?
Paul gets away from him?
Like, oh, fuck.
Any other potential deaths before we wrap it up?
I think, I mean, I still think everyone's in play.
Whether they actually have the balls to go through with it is the real question.
I think Tyrion lives.
Everyone's in play.
Tyrion Howe?
I think Tyrion lives.
How?
I don't know.
Maybe Braun.
He's too much of a fan favorite, and I think after tonight, I'm more leaning towards them not getting rid of the super.
Braun can't kill Tyrion.
Braun can't kill Tyrion.
If they didn't kill any of these guys tonight, why would they just die in a battle toward the gold company?
See, I don't think it's going to be a battle they die in.
I think it will be strategic death.
But how are you going to kill Torman?
You can't.
Torman is meaningful.
Torman.
I think that's the kind of fan favorite they can live.
He'll die in the last battle.
They don't need him no more.
I think Torman will protect Brianne.
And then Brianne will end up with Jamie or something of that nature.
You'll have that love triangle play out into one of their deaths.
It's not a love triangle.
Brian don't give a fuck about Torman.
Nah, Brian started to feel Torman.
Brian's starting to feel Torment.
Remember, she's only a knight because Torman put him down.
Strategic Deaths Ahead00:01:04
Yeah, you're right.
I would make you a knight 10 times over.
I love that public.
Is the big woman still here?
That was my favorite.
That was my favorite meme, 3 a.m. at the bar.
Is the big woman still here?
Oh, the one that came out tonight's good.
They put Arya's face on Day Mullen's body.
Oh, it's good.
The Day Mullen meme after the game was.
Oh, that's good.
That's good.
All right, man.
Well, that's been another episode of Western Bros.
Thank y'all for tuning in.
You know, let's hope this shit picks up next week.
Let's really hope this shit picks up next fucking week because we're not playing any games.
Let's let Alex get home early so he can get some sleep and get this up bright and early tomorrow.
But thank you guys for spreading the word about this, man.
This shit has been growing like crazy, dude.
Last episode blew up.
First, it blew up, man.
I mean, this one, I think we're going to hit over 100K, so I'm pretty excited.
That's crazy.
Yeah, man.
So I'm very excited.
So keep spreading the word.
And if you want to hear just angry rants about how dog shit this episode was, then this is the podcast for you.