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Since entering what I must grudgingly agree is middle age within the past few years, at least if judged by white American male life expectancy, a few significant realizations have occurred to me that didn't figure too prominently in my thought process just a few years ago.
The first is the primacy of health and how it must be guarded and maintained just as you would the most important plants in your garden.
Seeing your parents grow older and more frail and recognizing that your own aches, pains, and loss of energy are increasingly a factor in your life, drive home that whatever you're going through, taking good care of yourself is essential to happiness and success.
Second, as retirement approaches the horizon, not just as some fanciful theoretical fantasy far over the horizon, I regret not making wiser investments earlier in my career.
Not as in I should have bought all of the Bitcoin back in 2012, although that would have been pretty cool, but that I wish I had prioritized saving more seriously, even in lean years, that I had chosen more index funds instead of picking and choosing individual stocks and trying to time the market, and that I had taken bigger advantage of the magic trick of reinvesting dividends and compounding interest instead of always thinking the next Black Friday was just around the corner.
Third and most importantly, though, is the absolute joy and gratitude in still having a young one under the roof and that we didn't call it quits after two kids.
Especially as you get older, the mundane early childhood moments with your children somehow get more special, not like a rote repeat, and especially so with your youngest and last child.
When dad says, who wants to go catch lightning bugs these days?
He gets a fatigued look from the older two, but never the third.
When he offers a ride on the tire swing, there's always one who's game for getting the butterflies or the willies, as he calls them, as he soars into the sky.
And only the youngest still barrels out of bed in the morning to run into the kitchen with a big smile on his face and provide a bear hug to start the day.
I do wish we had at least one more, but I'm also damn glad we have three instead of two.
So in that spirit, we welcome two veteran dads who relatively recently added new white life to their squads to talk tips, joys, struggles, and God forbid, whether they regret going for more.
So, Mr. Producer, let's go.
Welcome, everyone, to Full House, the world's finest show for white fathers, aspiring ones, and the whole biofam.
It is episode 189, and I am your youth-respecting host, Coach Finstock, back with another two hours of sincere, family-friendly content that is not contrived, hokey, or deracinated.
Before we meet the birth panel, though, big thanks just to Anon this week for his kind support of the show.
If you like what you hear here, check us out at gibsendgo.com slash fullhouse.
And with that, let's get on with the show.
First up, I do have to wonder if after seven kids, perhaps he did get a little bit jaded with early childhood wandered towards the end of the project.
Sam, welcome back, buddy.
Thanks, Coach.
Yeah.
Well, you know, something you said there in the monologue really hit home for me, which is the way I would put it is the children keep you young.
You know, there are in so many ways where my mind is working just like maybe a 20-something year old person's mind.
I've not settled into certain things, certain habits, certain things that probably come with age.
I suppose if I had to put a word on it, I'd or a phrase, I'd say you got to keep in a fighting state of mind.
And that's what keeps you alert and relevant and able to relate to things going on and adapt and all that type of thing.
Once you select comfort and routine and things like that, complacency.
Yeah, you begin to live in this kind of a easy, safe loop.
And yeah, it's attractive, you know, to look forward to your favorite TV show every day or whatever it is.
But you got to keep in fighting shape and a fighting spirit more than anything.
And that's the way I see it.
For sure.
Yeah.
And the guys on the show know that I had to push the show for a week because my trick knee caused me a significant amount of pain yesterday, which reminded me of the health issue.
Like I was driving today.
I was thinking, man, what I wouldn't give to have two good knees under this body.
But more importantly than my knees is as our youngest is getting older.
Like I'm not, I'm not having a midlife crisis.
I'm not freaking out, but I'm like, oh man, precious time.
You know, it's going to be a long time to have to wait till grandkids.
So let's milk this summer, make as many memories as possible and not ever be like, oh, just another young kid, just another bedtime story, just another happy morning and make it count.
So I'm really jealous of our guests who've got even younger ones.
Yeah.
Well, if you can keep the right mindset where you can see the value in it, because along with all those precious good feelings that you're describing, there is the real challenge of it as well.
And I'm sure we'll get into that here about that.
But we've known people, I mean, no one better say just even having one is easy, you know, let alone the people who have three, five, seven.
It's not easy to have a child.
And then, you know, the waking up in the middle of the night and just when you were about to set about doing something that you wanted to do or needed to do, and then, nope, the child interrupts all that.
All that goes out the window and you're quote stuck unquote with this child to take care of a sick child or some problem that's arisen.
So it is if you can keep the good end in view, that helps you through it.
And that doesn't necessarily make it easier, but that helps you live in the moment and take the joy and even the difficult things because it will change.
Like you say, he's that young one.
He's growing up.
And the good times, the troubles that are part of your lives, those are going to go away and be replaced by new ones.
But you'll be looking back on some of those good moments pretty soon.
Absolutely.
I don't want the audience to think that it's all roses and unicorns and flowers and all the rest of it.
The 3 a.m. Puke Fests rack pretty low on the list of early childhood joys.
All right.
Thank you, Sammy Baby.
I'm sure you'll have plenty to add to this first hour and the second.
course, not next up.
He's running late as scheduled.
He didn't squelch on us.
So we don't have to worry about our pesky producer here in the first half.
He should be here for the second.
And finally, our two.
Oh, I didn't even see you there.
Oh, it sounds like he's mobile, mobile row.
Dangerous.
All right.
Thank you, buddy, for joining us.
Chime in if you'd like.
I don't know where he is.
Somewhere out in the tumbleweeds.
All right.
Finally, our two very patient and special guests.
First is rejoining us after his financial independence and early retirement tour de force several months back.
Conrad has new white life under his roof.
And that means he's going to have to add a few shelves to his board game crypt for whatever the little guy or gal might eventually get interested in.
Conrad, welcome back, buddy.
Thank you, Coach.
Glad to be back.
Our pleasure.
And I think this was your and your co-conspirator here's idea to come on the show.
You're like, Coach, can we talk about some dad stuff for the first time in a few months?
They said, oh, good idea.
Thanks for reminding me.
Right here at the top, buddy, we already did your background on a previous show.
How are things with the new one?
Just generally, top lines.
Sure.
No, things are going good.
It's, you know, it's surprising how much you forget between kids.
You know, we had all four of ours pretty well back to back to back to back.
So it's not like there was any big gap between it.
But, you know, as soon as you're handed that new baby, you know, freshly delivered, you forget how small they were, how tiny they are.
You get used to your big beasts of children as they quickly become.
And you kind of have to learn some of it all over again.
But then it quickly comes back and it gets easier.
So yeah, so we've got our routine going.
This kiddo is probably the easiest sleeper of the bunch, just a few months old and is already going from eight to five pretty consistently.
So yeah, that can't be nine hours straight on a three month old.
So no, we're doing good.
Excellent.
As I expected, you guys are kind of pros over there.
I haven't visited your happy family home, but I imagine it's well ordered.
And I, you know, just talking there about health applies to your kids as well, not just your own bag of bones or your own parents, the kids' grandparents.
And, you know, we've been blessed to not have to deal with anything worse than like a tree nut allergy or with our first.
We were like, he lost a little bit of weight between pediatrician appointments.
We're like, you know, we're starving our child.
He's not getting enough milk.
You know, he might die.
That was the worst for us, which is nothing compared to what some parents have gone through.
I guess before we get to our next guest from your other three or maybe this new one, what's the worst health scare or concern?
Or, you know, if you haven't had any, knock on one, knock on wood.
God bless you.
I mean, we've, you know, it's funny you bring that up.
Our second actually went through chemotherapy with having cancer.
So I'm not going to go into the details.
Holy moly.
Yep.
Had no idea.
So I mean, yeah, we've experienced about as about as bad as I get stuff.
Obviously, she's had a, hasn't had a good outcome and has been declared free of disease for a few years now, but she was diagnosed at less than a year of age.
And we went through all of that.
So, and we continue to have two more and that have been perfectly healthy.
So, you know, there's a, there's a, maybe a moral in there that, you know, even when you go through those rough times, you know, don't let that scare you off from continuing to build a family.
And there's, there's still always, you know, light at the end of the tunnel.
Amen.
Bless you guys, brother.
And if you want to add on to that later for parents in the audience who have lost children or have dealt with serious illness, feel free.
But well, before we go too much further, I wanted to welcome finally a longtime friend and listener of the show.
First time guest, he's been a source of no BS common sense in our circles for a long time, from metapolitics to finance, from family to WN feuds.
And it's our pleasure to finally welcome Justin to full house.
What's up, buddy?
It's great to finally make it on the show.
I'm happy to be here.
You bet.
Honored to have you on.
And let's just do it real quick.
Ethnicity, religion, and fatherhood status, please.
I am a Maramut, a little bit of everything from Northern Europe.
I am an Orthodox Christian.
And I am married to my second wife.
So I do have a divorce under my belt.
Gotcha.
How many kids total?
On four.
Gotcha.
And were you raised Orthodox or are you a convert?
I was about to call you a converso.
Converso.
Yeah, I'm a convert.
No, no, converse.
No, I was raised Christian, different denomination, and was looking for something different, I guess.
And my wife is Orthodox, born and raised.
And that it didn't happen right away.
And it wasn't just like, you know, internet meme orthodoxy that converted me.
It was a sincere change after many years of discussion with priests.
Gotcha.
And same with you.
Don't want to probe, but if we want to talk about the D question a little bit later, dealing with that essentially starting over with a new family, let's do it.
But let's start with adding a new one to your brood.
Did you and Wifey, did you talk about it or did nature take its course?
Did you run the attributes and the drawbacks of going for another one?
Or was that just absolutely in the plan in the works all along?
Yeah, I think my wife and I met through friends who are mutual friends of ours.
And it was pretty clear from the outset what our goals were, what we wanted.
We wanted to have larger family if we could.
So I think by date two or three, we were like, okay, how many kids are we looking to have kind of thing?
Not even like that we were already into it, but hey, if we're going to get married, we're going to have a bunch of kids.
Are we on the same page with that?
So it's always been something that we're planning on having on the outset, you know, as many children as she can have.
Sure.
Spacing wise is more of a discussion on what we feel is appropriate and timing and that kind of thing.
Gotcha.
So you were both on the same page, as many as you healthily could.
And what was the conversation like on spacing and deliberations there?
Yeah, it's so my older two are about 18 months apart, and that seemed to be a pretty good spacing.
We had some other, yeah, it's pretty close.
They were, they're close in age.
We kind of wanted to do that.
We had some life stuff happen, and our two are more like two and a half years apart.
But we're not planning to wait that much longer if we want to try it again for number three with my current wife.
I had two previous and then two with her.
So not four.
Not too bad.
Approaching Sam territory.
Let's see.
So you had the two close together and then you added the third.
Conrad said that he had forgotten some of the joys and what it was like despite having the other three.
How about you?
Was it like riding a bike, getting back on?
Was it rough?
What was the worst of it, I guess?
Oh, the worst.
So the worst for me was that like number three comes, my number three is my current wife's number one.
And so she's freaking out like a first-time parent because she's a first-time parent.
Sure.
I'm just sitting back like, all right, like, I'll just try to not, like, I don't want to antagonize her or act like I know everything, but like, she was like way overreacting.
So, and I'm like, oh, I kind of feel like the expert.
This makes me feel good.
You know, I feel like I know what I'm doing.
She's all over the place and she's looking at me for support.
So it's kind of a different situation, I guess.
But the third one, even with a pretty big gap between two and three, felt like it came back pretty quick.
Does your current wife, do you think somewhere in her psyche, she resents the fact?
This is a personal question, but, and I don't even know if you can answer it, but you know, I've never dealt with having an ex-wife or having kids from a previous marriage.
Sam, of course, has.
Does that ever come up?
Is that ever a source of tension?
You know, I assume you got to spend time away with the other kids sometimes.
How do you juggle that in a marriage?
Yeah, it's not easy.
But it was something that I was very upfront about.
Literally, the first date, it was a long distance initially.
And our first date, I guess you could call it was like on Skype or whatever, just meeting each other because we got introduced through friends online first.
And I was like, hey, so just so we're on the same page, like I'm looking to get married.
If the kids are something I'm interested in, and I live where I live, and I can't move because of my other situation.
And here's my situation.
Like, if that's a deal breaker, great.
You know, this, I'm glad this took five minutes and we're done.
Or if that's not a deal breaker, like we can have a conversation.
We can move on from there.
I just want to set that the tone.
And she's like, okay, I think I can at least work with all that, but I have some questions.
And I'm like, okay.
So I kind of give us a jumping off point.
It was pretty good.
There's been stress for sure through a lot of it.
There's been a lot of tension on parenting.
Like my ex-wife and my current wife do not parent the same.
So when I have my older kids and, you know, my current wife's commenting on the lack of discipline and things like that that my ex and then it gets back to my ex and then my ex is mad at me.
And there's a lot of a lot of back and forth that it creates a lot of tension.
So there is a lot of stress from that that probably won't be resolved at least until my kids are grown and on their own.
Looking, obviously things didn't work out with your first wife for whatever reason.
Don't want to probe there too hard.
But looking back, were there any signs that you should have seen problematic things that you wish you hadn't ignored or glossed over in hindsight, which is, of course, 2020.
And I'm sure it wasn't entirely her fault either to bear.
But, you know, for guys, we'll talk about the new dads who are, you know, have their first on the way or maybe have their first under the roof and are getting stressed out.
But upstream of that, of course, is the most important picking the right one.
And it didn't work out for you.
Anything vaguely that you can give tips to look out for?
Yeah, absolutely.
So I made a lot of bad decisions involved in this whole situation.
She was not a good pick for me.
Politically, we lined up, but like culturally and socially, we did not.
That created some issues.
I would never pick a woman for politics.
Again, I say that.
Then I met my wife through our stuff.
So that's not really a fair statement, I guess.
But I didn't choose to go further with her because of the politics is more of the rest of the story.
But were you guys like bookbooks, conservatives, or libertarians or something like that?
Yeah, my ex and I were libertarians at the time.
Gotcha.
She was the wrong kind of libertarian.
I'll put it that way.
Understood.
Yeah.
But I guess that I'm always one, you know, I don't really regret the decisions I made.
Some of them, I guess, maybe could have made better decisions, but I did them for the right reasons, I feel like.
I think people who date for more than like a year and aren't right.
I mean, if you know you're going to get married or not, if you should know by a year, I did not take nearly that long.
I should have taken more time.
When I say more time, I mean less than a, like at least a year, maybe a year, six months to a year, you should figure it out.
Um, I took less time than that to decide, and really, it's it's not so much like the wrong woman.
Yeah, if they have, if they have red flags, absolutely look for red flags.
Yeah, but one thing I will say that I do appreciate about myself, whether right or wrong, is that I went all in on it because I think that you know, if you're you're never gonna know, right?
You can always find a reason not to go all in on a marriage.
Nobody's perfect.
Every woman is gonna have flaws or things that irritate you or things that make you think, huh, maybe that's gonna be worse in two years or five years or 10 years.
Yeah, yeah, and there's a lot of it you don't know, right?
And so, I would, if you're gonna do anything, you have to go all in.
If you have one foot out, it's never gonna work.
You have to be 100% into it and just give yourself to it.
It can burn you.
Like, that's that's the thing too.
To be all in, you will expose yourself to being hurt and to being just damaged from the situation.
But that's required, I think.
That's one thing right there.
When guys are trying to protect themselves very well, which is understandable and you should, but the other side of it is you have you have to make yourself vulnerable.
You have to take a chance.
And no one knows exactly how it's going to go.
And also, people change too.
You know, my first wife, we were together for almost 12 years.
And for almost all of that time, she was a model citizen.
So, somebody might say, Oh, wow, what a waste.
It failed.
No, for 12 years or so, she was very good.
So, you know, nothing lasts forever.
We, all of us, will die one day ourselves.
You know, you might get sick.
You might live to a ripe old age, but one day you will die, you know, and so nothing lasts forever, anyways.
So, I would say, no, she had 12 years she would not have otherwise had if she was not exposed to my idealism and things like that.
If I, you know, looking backwards 2020, like you say, I would, if there was one thing, I'd say, don't discount those things we would call red flags, like Justin just said.
You know, there's we might be looking deep at subtle things like if they're religious, how do they think about religion or what, you know, how do they keep house, or I don't know, very subtle things, I guess, but don't overlook the gigantic big things.
Like, if somebody has a drug past, people with drug pasts, even though they might clean up for a certain amount of years, the statistics are that people who have a drug past, 90% of them or more go back to it at some point.
Right.
You know, after a certain amount of years, it's almost 100% go back to it.
It's almost impossible to get past that one.
So, and I think you mean the hard stuff in particular, Sam, the most addictive of the substances, you know, previous weed consumption, I don't think is this, you know, maybe that's a yellow flag, but not a red flag.
Well, depends what, what, how heavy or what kind of if it's a lifestyle, it's somebody who's did it a few times or does it occasionally versus somebody who's jonesing for it every day.
You know, I would just say maybe those are some things to just don't overlook the gigantic things.
Yep.
My quick lessons, if I could here, I can be kind of cold and analytical when it comes to relationships.
Like if it's not working out, like, okay, whatever, move on.
But when I was getting toward the point of cohabitating and then finally proposing to my wife, at one point I sat down, I was like, well.
The attributes were like very strong attraction, high lots of fun, stimulating.
And then an important one was that she came from a good family.
Both parents were still alive, involved in her life, you know, hands-on, et cetera.
But the biggest one for me was that we broke up for a short period of time because we were doing long distance during college for like a semester.
And I was really, it wasn't just like the breakup blues.
It was like, holy cow, I really miss her.
And I really think that I may regret letting this one get away.
And that was when I sort of had the realization, it turned out that she did too.
Like, all right, let's go for this and get together.
So if you, sometimes a breakup or a temporary breakup can be good because it makes you realize what you miss.
And if you break up with somebody and you're like, ooh, I'm free again.
That's probably a sign that you made the right decision.
Before we go too much farther, I want to go over to Conrad.
I'm sure that it has been pure idyllic bliss for you and Wifey from the moment you first set eyes on each other.
No issues whatsoever.
But any lessons for the pre-fathers out there from your experience?
No, I mean, I think you guys covered a lot of it.
Sure.
The period of times and the flags.
And luckily, we've not had any major issues.
Of course, there's always the little spats, but we've been fortunate.
We've never had really anything major beyond that.
I will say it's kind of cliche, but that old saying, like, don't go to bed angry.
Like, there's some truth in that.
Like, even if, even if you do go to bed angry, like you need to resolve it sooner rather than later.
As soon as there is a spat and as soon as the emotions die down and it just turns into, I'll call it cold logical like resentment, then you're on a bad path.
So, you know, and there's been times where, you know, maybe earlier on where there was always a threat of something like that happening, but one or the other of us has always finally just gritted our teeth and started the uncomfortable conversation to patch things over.
And even though it's an uncomfortable start, once you start talking through it and, you know, again, understanding where the other person was coming from and remembering, you know, like why you love them and why you're together and it'll start to look kind of insignificant most of the time, unless there's some major fundamental, you know, irreconcilable differences, which is a whole other thing.
But most times I think it can be passed over with just some mature conversation.
So that's, that's gotten us through, I'd say, a lot of the pre-kid stuff.
And of course, I have some thoughts on it too, as it relates to postpartum as well.
So I don't know if I want to talk about that now or save that for later.
Yeah, let's go into the early childhood new baby stuff here.
And just real quick, you mentioned the don't go to bed angry.
We're coming up on 18 years here this fall.
And I know plenty of loving married couples who go to bed angry all the time, you know, and then like the next morning, you just look at, well, you're still here.
I'm still here.
Whatever that argument was about.
All right.
You know, onwards.
Sometimes a little bit of time lets you, you're not mad anymore.
And then you can say, oh, who cares?
It doesn't matter anyway.
It's so true, Sam.
You know, like, ah, you know, like Joe Pesci and Home Alone.
And then you're like, it's been a day or two.
I don't exactly recall what I was so angry at you about.
Or we've got three.
We're not going to stay at, yeah, we're not going to stay angry at each other for two years, or we're certainly not going to get a divorce.
So whatever, water under the bridge onward.
All right, Conrad.
I don't know if you want to go in the direction of tips for new white fathers here, best practices.
I've got a few, of course, but what are some, you know, for the new dads in the audience, first-timers, things you'd want them to emphasize or think about?
Sure.
So, I mean, so for those first few months, you know, it's, I mean, it's going to be, especially for a first-time dad, like it's going to be a major shock.
And, you know, one thing I'll, I'll mention, you know, on the topic of our wives is, you know, we think it's a shock for us.
You know, it's really a shock for them, you know, because, you know, physically and biologically, they just went through a whole bunch.
You know, the hormone, all those swings from, you know, postpartum, they are real.
And so, you know, I'd say one of your biggest jobs as a as a, you know, a father and a husband of a freshly delivered mother is taking care of your wife.
You know, she's going to be, you know, doing a lot of the taking care of the baby, you know, the nursing, the late night stuff.
Of course, you're going to help.
You'll give her breaks.
You know, you'll change diapers.
You'll do those tasks, but she's going to be bearing the brunt of it.
And, you know, and I think people would be shocked at how common postpartum depression is.
And it's not just the stereotypical, you know, weeping all the time, right?
It can manifest as anxiety.
It can manifest as short temper and her snapping at you.
And so one of my biggest piece of advice would be be patient with your wife.
She's going through, I mean, the hormone swings, the sleep deprivation, everything you're going through, plus some pretty crazy physical stuff.
And so patience with her, keeping an eye on her.
You know, it's going to be, especially as a man, it's going to be tough to, you know, maybe pro for those signs of post-part depression.
But I mean, you can read stuff online.
If you think, you know, if you're seeing, you know, some of those signs, you know, anxiety, you know, short temper, more than what could just be passed off as sleep deprivation.
Like if it's turning into an ongoing thing, you know, have some of the women in her lives, you know, she has sisters or her, you know, mother, you know, close friends, you name it, you know, on the on the female side that can help with that.
Like I'd say helping, watch out for that and helping her is huge.
You know, finding ways for her to get sleep breaks, you know, you know, because if especially if she's breastfeeding, she's going to be dealing with the brunt of that.
And so, you know, one system that we've gotten into with a lot of our kids is, and it works, I'm somewhat of a natural night owl, is she'll go to bed early and then I'll stay up with baby for a while and, you know, and she'll have some milk that she pumped and so we'll have bottles ready.
And so I will stay up with baby.
And then the first time the baby wakes up and is hungry after midnight, I'll feed the baby and then and then go to bed some, you know, usually it ends up being around like one or two o'clock in the morning.
And then I'm delivering my wife, you know, a freshly fed baby.
And then hopefully baby makes it at least a couple hours till 3:50.
There you go.
And then, you know, and then she has her from there.
And I can, you know, I can kind of sleep in.
And, you know, we did that a lot, right?
So just finding ways for her to get some, you know, REM cycles in, helping out with her, you know, mental state, you know, just any, anything around the house, you know, do, you know, do more chores around the house than you need to.
Like, what are the things that stress your wife out normally?
Those things are going to, the things that stress her out in a normal situation are going to be amplified.
You know, try to help that.
You know, you're taking care of her as much as more than the baby in those first few weeks.
You heard it from Conrad here.
First, women, believe it or not, can be sometimes emotional, impacted by hormones, and less than completely rational.
Groundbreaking stuff, just for the audience, to be aware of.
But yes, post-childbirth, multiply times, whatever, it is, it can be a dicey time.
I guess some women, it's just like, it's bliss and they love breastfeeding and sleeping works out or whatever.
But absolutely, I mean, I remember being stressed and I remember her being even more stressed.
And especially for a first-time mom, the anxiety and dealing with that.
And often they're a little bit more banged up, I would presume, especially after a C-section, but even after a first natural childbirth, just the physical recovery there, not to mention our sore backs from those horrible couches in the obstetrics ward.
Absolutely.
We are the true sufferers and soldiers through that whole ordeal.
Justin, over to you.
Well, let me like, I have, I don't know if this is my own proprietary system or whatever, but when I think of a happy baby or a content baby, there's five things that are absolutely essential.
And the first one I actually learned from my mother-in-law is she always stressed, keep them warm.
When we had our first, he was like in his diaper, you know, skin to skin, but it was winter.
And she's like, he's probably cold, you dummy.
And I've seen parents like with like young children out with like no socks on or whatever.
So whether you agree or not, keeping the baby warm, because remember, he or she is used to being nice and snug at 98.6 for nine months is important.
Keeping them dry, of course, the diaper is often the key to baby contentness, keeping them well fed, feed on demand.
More is better.
Nothing is happier and more pleasing to see than a chubby, roly-poly little baby.
Keep them burped, the gas and all that stuff, even if you get breast milk cocked all over your shoulder.
And then, of course, sleep, which is its own can of worms.
But warm, dry, fed, burped, slept are the ones that jump out to me in terms of just keeping the baby content and making your life better in the course of that project.
But Justin, any rough, I gave you all the negative questions and Conrad, the happy questions.
But yeah, any surprises this time around or things that you would recommend from your experience?
No, no surprises, I guess.
Our first pregnancy, our first birth was a kind of traumatic experience.
There was emergency C-section.
So that was a big deal.
So this one was a V-back.
So we had a vaginal birth after cesarean, which is not something that all gynecologists and OBGYNs will do.
A lot of them won't.
We had to find one that would.
So we shopped around, found one that would do it.
It worked out.
It was great.
Can I ask is it because why is it?
Yeah.
I won't speculate.
Why is it hard or why do we want to do it?
Why are they reluctant to go with natural after a C-section the first time?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So C-section, when they cut into the abdomen of the woman and then get the side of the uterus and then pull it out, right?
So if you have any other issues like preclampsia, high blood pressure, that kind of thing during pregnancy, if you are trying to, like when the woman's pushing to push the baby out of the vaginal canal, it can rupture the previous C-section and they can be bleeding, internal bleeding, all kinds of problems.
So some doctors don't even want to touch it, which I think they're cowards, but fair enough.
You know, that's their job.
It's their livelihood.
Reducing liability.
Do you know if they use the same incision from the first time or do they make a fresh one?
So a woman who's had a lot of C-sections, does she have like three or four different scars or they go to the same spot?
You know, I don't know.
That's a hard question.
I don't know the medical process for that.
But yeah, so we did a VVA.
Women are cringing in the audience at our ignorance, but that's okay.
Yeah, so it was successful.
She's happy with it.
It worked out great.
My wife's kind of granola, so she was wanting a less invasive birth this time.
But yeah, otherwise, yeah, you checked all the right boxes.
Everything sounds good there.
My biggest stressor, I think, and to be fair to my wife, she's great, but she has a very idealized structure for how childbirth and child babies are.
And if there's any deviations from it, she gets really frustrated.
So I have to, again, like Conrad was saying, you have to be patient with them.
Give us an example.
Yeah, what's a deviation that would irritate her?
Yeah.
Well, the big one, yeah, she had the emergency C-section.
And it's one of those, not a postpartum thing exactly, but she's like, well, I feel like a failure.
A real woman should have had it naturally, that kind of thing.
And it just doesn't always work out that way.
I mean, if you look at the history, a lot of women, they just died in childbirth because they didn't have appropriate medical technology.
It's a pretty rough road.
And there's a lot of bad things that can happen that aren't anybody's fault.
It's not genetic.
It's not like you're a bad person or have bad genes.
It's just something that happens.
How about, yeah, go ahead.
I'm sorry.
I was just saying on the topic of V-BAX, because I think one important thing it ties into my wife, we had to have a well, she had to have a C-section with our first.
And then so after that, three V-BACs in a row.
There's a concern with having too many C-sections.
I also don't know the answer to some things about our different spots.
Goodness, thank you.
I do know there's a concern with having too many.
There's a lot of people.
I hear it all the time.
Well, we stopped after two or three or sometimes only two because we had a C-section at the first, then we had more C-sections and we just didn't want to have more C-sections.
And then they ended up not having a larger family because of it.
Even though you might have to ask a few different doctors, it's not so rare.
We've moved between kids.
And so both where we lived before and where we live now, we were able to find an OB that would do the V-BAC.
And there are certain risk factors, but I don't know that we would have been able to get to four if we would have just consigned ourselves to additional C-sections just because the first was.
So if you're, for any families out there listening, if you had to have a C-section for a reason and one and you were otherwise thinking of a big family, look into that.
There's still ways of not continuing to have to go under the knife with subsequent kids.
Sure.
And Justin, that's a pro, but could you give an example of like a routine deviation that irritates your wife, perhaps rightfully, that you're sort of more go-along to get along with?
Yeah.
So one we're dealing with now with our nine-month-old is the sleep training where he wants to hold mommy and mommy wants to hold him.
And I'm like, listen, there's like a lot of other things that have to get done.
We have another child, a small child that has to be taken care of.
And if you, if you want to spend, you know, take two hours to put the little guy down because he's fussy, we have to find a better way.
It's just, it's too much, too much time, too much energy to put into just a baby who's just a little fussy.
He can be fussy, let him be fussy.
He'll go to sleep.
Sure.
So, yeah, it's a fight over that.
That's kind of one example.
Let's, let's dig into the sleep issue.
Obviously, breastfeeding and getting them fed can be its own major challenge.
But I would guess that sleep deprivation for the parents and trying to get that baby to sleep long, you know, when it's appropriate to sleep through the night, when they're old enough and they don't need to feed in the middle of the night.
I remember the sleep deprivation with our first being the most painful, maybe because it was just a new phenomenon.
We both were working and we both had to get up super early.
And poor firstborn went to daycare from starting from three months.
We were those people.
And then it was easier with the other two due to schedule on that front.
But our last, our youngest, was by far the worst sleeper and the hugest source of stress with him.
Like screamed bloody murder in the crib, you know, tried everything to get him comfortable in there.
A little bit of cry training.
I know some people cringe at that, but you know, Ferber method, letting him cry for a little bit longer, a little bit longer, and then he figures it out that he's not going to die.
He's not being abandoned.
But it just failed.
And we completely surrendered to co-sleeping with our youngest.
And it wasn't ideal.
It kind of led to like stress with mom and dad because it was always, there was always a baby in our bed.
Unideal, but eventually we're just like, we have to get sleep and we can't deal with the screaming in the crib anymore.
So Conrad, Justin, whoever wants that, you know, your most recent best practices with the crib versus co-sleeping, whatever works.
Yeah, I'll jump in on that one.
I feel like maybe it's not a coincidence that it's your last one, right?
Like at some points, parents are like, you know what?
Like we've had enough of this, you know, like we've, we don't, we aren't getting enough sleep.
It's, we've been doing this for 10 years, you know, it's spaced out or whatever.
It's a lot.
It takes a lot out of you.
It takes a lot of your career.
Like, and I'll just, this is an aside, we can talk about it more later if we want, but like your productivity at work and your career goals and stuff get easily set aside when you have kids.
It's really hard.
You're just your focus is not there.
But that's an aside there.
Yeah, as far as the sleep, the sleep, though, like we've been doing co-sleeping.
It works sometimes, but I mean, that's part of why it took two and a half years to have our second versus the preferred amount of time that we were expecting.
That just if your baby's in your bed, it's it dampens things.
You just can't do what you'd like to do, you know?
So it's, it makes it harder for sure.
Yeah.
And not even doing the deed, but also just like getting a good night's sleep.
You know, there's maybe a little bit of awareness, anxiety that you got that precious bundle in between you or older, one, two, three years old kicking when they get the Jimmy legs.
That sucks too.
But you have a magic night where like they're, they're fine.
They're good.
You put them down in their crib and they sleep and you're like, oh, this is great.
And you look at your wife, you're like, do we, do we?
And we're like, yeah, we do.
We go to sleep right now.
At the dawning of Aquarius.
Absolutely.
Conrad, over to you, big guy.
Sleep tips.
Sure.
So, you know, with our first three, you know, we followed all of the guidelines to a T, you know, absolutely no co-sleeping, you know, and the firm bassinet, you know, all, all the, all the, you know, on the back, all the, all the tricks that you're supposed to follow.
And, and most, two of the three kids, it was fine.
One of them, you know, struggled a little bit.
And, and, yeah, there was a, a lot of, you know, the, the rocking, trying to get to go down.
Luckily, we didn't have the persistent crying that I know that you and Justin have had.
You know, I mentioned the kind of the somewhat shifted schedule with your wife, so you can kind of give each other some breaks.
I think that's good for you.
Once they are sleeping, one thing we ran into with our first, who was an especially a hungry kid, was he would go down, but then he would, even as he got older and he was six, eight, 10, 12 months old, he would still wake up at like three o'clock and be hungry.
And what we started doing is, you know, some parenting sites will call it dream feed.
And so, okay, if he goes down at eight, even though he's still sleeping, you know, 10, 11 o'clock, you know, or whenever, right before I'd go to bed, I would, you know, I would get a bottle and I would grab the sleeping baby out of the crib and stick the bottle in his mouth and he would suck it down without ever really completely waking up.
You know, I'd go into his dark room, you know, not try to minimize how much stimulus I create and get the bottle on him and like, you know, re-top him off and put him back down.
And that was huge in getting him the rest of the way through the night, you know, if hunger is the limiting factor.
So we carried that dream.
We didn't find it, we didn't figure out the dream feeding technique until our first was almost a year old.
And then we did the dream feeding for the second and third with really good success.
And then with our fourth, kind of continue on the theme of, you know, YouTube, while we haven't had the crying problems, you know, for the first time ever, co-sleeping has entered the equation with our youngest.
It's not, you know, it's not completely through the night because she'll usually sleep, but if she wakes up at whether it's two, three, four, five o'clock, lately it's been on the four or five o'clock side of things.
But whenever she wakes up in her crib, my wife will grab her and pull her into bed and basically co-sleep with her for the rest of the night.
And that was a little bit of a change.
I think COVID and some of those things kind of helped put a little bit of skepticism on all of the conventional wisdom from doctors on things you should and shouldn't do.
My wife still had a little bit of anxiety over, am I going to smother the baby and some of those safety concerns?
They make devices that like we use one called an owlet where it basically wraps around the baby's foot and it measures heart rate and oxygen levels on their foot.
Oh, you did it.
Yeah.
Exactly, exactly.
And that was huge, right?
Because she had this anxiety that she was going to suffocate her kid, right?
And so knowing that there was something monitoring the baby that would start alarming if something happened, that got her over that anxiety hump of now baby can co-sleep with me.
She's happy.
I know she's going to be okay.
I'm happy.
And so that kind of routine has been good.
So for now, it's good.
At some point, we'll want to end the co-sleeping for all the reasons you guys talked about.
But for now, with just a few months old baby, it's working pretty well.
Yeah, I don't want to be too, I don't know, reductionist or simplified here, but there is truth to whatever works, primarily for baby's health, but also for mom and dad peace of mind.
And that brings up the, I got to ask, have you got when, if, when or if you introduced formula to supplement breast milk?
Because we went from almost entirely breast milk with number one, a little bit of both with number two due to reduced production to our third was entirely formula fed because the first one was not an option.
I am of the perhaps controversial opinion that it's not the end of the world if your baby drinks formula.
Funny story.
My dad, who's tall, played football, went to Ivy League.
His mother, my grandmother, was like, oh, no, we don't breastfeed.
So he was entirely formula fed and went on to become a very intelligent athletic Chad.
So, and God knows what was in formula back in the early 50s.
Right.
And I feel like today it's not the end of the world.
Parents probably stress a ton about making sure that it's mama's milk that's sustaining them at least for the first year.
But curious, I don't want that.
That's important.
That's ideal.
I just don't think it's the end of the world if you have to supplement with formula or go over to it entirely.
Do you guys feel strongly on that?
I think you're right.
I would agree with you.
I mean, I was also a 100% formula fed baby.
I'm over, I'm about 6'2, and I think I'm okay intelligence-wise.
So, so yeah, you can do, you can do just fine with formula.
If it's, if, if it's not going to work, I certainly wouldn't want to really stress over it.
You know, we've, I say we, my wife has a breastfed all four of our kids.
She's always had issues with her production coming in at the beginning.
It's been the way with all the kids.
And so all of our kids have had a little bit of formula during that like first week or so of life until it comes in, until our milk comes in.
And then after that, they've been milk fed.
A doctor friend of mine once told me that, you know, there's some signs of statistical differential benefits through the first couple months of life.
And then after that, it fades completely.
So if you can get a couple months in your baby and then your supply kind of dwindles away, I wouldn't sweat it.
You know, it can be a, it's a weight loss technique for the ladies because you get rid of all the calories.
It can be a money-saving thing.
It can be a bonding thing.
I mean, there's a lot of good reasons to continue doing it.
But even if you can just get a few weeks or a couple months in, I think, again, according to a doctor friend of mine, that's where they see most of the statistical difference of outcomes.
And presumably the boobs stay bigger for longer, the longer they're breastfeeding, which has always been Sam's number one priority.
And Conrad, just think about what you could have accomplished in life if you were breastfed, you know, buddy?
Like what they took from you.
You could have been the next, the next few.
Sam, we haven't heard too much from you.
Chime in.
I'm sure you get a lot of feedback on all that.
Yeah, whatever you want.
Yeah, I was 100% formula fed baby.
You know, in those days, 60s and 70s, that was, it was just seen as, you know, like the more modern way to do it.
Yeah.
It was frowned upon, like day class or something.
Lower class people breastfed.
Yes, unfortunately, you know, but all of my children were breastfed and including to not just months, but even years, maybe up to some of them up to two and a half, three years old.
You know, and they weaned themselves.
But in other respects, I agree with everything said.
You got to do what you can do.
We're not here to beat anybody up or look down on anybody.
We have a certain ideal, wonderful thing that we have in mind, the way we would like to do it.
But, you know, there's reasons and there's things that can come up.
So we certainly understand all that.
I think that for all the reasons, Conrad, they're quickly listed.
It's good to do it for all those reasons, emotional health of the woman, health of the baby, not only the nutrition they get, but the way it stimulates the development of the jaw and the face muscles and all this type of thing.
Try to do it, you know, if you can do it.
And if especially if the woman can maybe read about it or both parents read about it and learn about what they're doing with parenting and things, talk to people as Conrad seems like he's got a doctor friend.
Got a lot of good resources and and so forth.
Um, you know that's.
Yeah, you must do what works, amen.
Uh Justin, if you want to chime in there, have at it, or else I got another question for you guys.
Yeah, I think that's.
Uh, that's all pretty well above board on on that subject.
That's you have to do.
Uh, breastfeeding is great.
Uh, my wife was super concerned about it being the super kind of be the super mom.
It worked out for her.
Uh, my second child had a tongue tie, so I guess that's the frenulum that's under the tongue is a little too long and it doesn't let the tongue work as well, and that impeded her breastfeeding.
So we did end up doing some formula with her, but my other kids were all fully breastfed and that's worked out so far.
So, most for the most part, it's been working great.
But yeah, if you have to use formula, I don't see any real problem with it.
It's maybe not ideal, but yeah, I mean, if you yeah whatever, whatever you have to do, get those calories in them one way or another.
Uh, let's see what you know.
Uh you, you mentioned Justin, like you know our, our bad sleeper was our last.
That actually, I mean that contributed to the uh fact of him being our last uh, but it was really.
It was uh, it was a natural childbirth with a severe complication that almost almost, or could have taken my wife out at one point.
I remember seeing the look on the doctor's face and alarm and then calling in one, and then they eventually went up to the, to the boss doctor in the hospital that night.
So that was the real reason for our last.
But Conrad, I understand that you guys have decided that you're done with four and god bless you.
We salute you for your service.
I'm just curious uh, I don't want to dissuade you or say you know, that's final, that's done.
Uh, if you want to have more, go for it.
But uh, did you and Wifey have a conversation and just say like, I think we're done or what went into that calculation?
Yeah we, we thought we were done at three.
You know, at the right, at the beginning, you know we said three or four.
Uh, we went with three.
And then, you know, and then like, like I mentioned on my first appearance, you know uh, giving you guys partial credits, you know, among other things, we finally uh cracked and said no, we need to bring another, another kid in.
And so we did that.
We did the fourth um, and I i'm, you know, a couple months in yeah it's, you know, going through all the sleep deprivation and that the the, the gap in age between this one and the other three is a little bit longer, so we're hitting the reset button after a little bit more time, but i'm so glad we did.
Um, you know, like what you mentioned, I think maybe in the open, about um, you know the, the older you get every time you hit the reset button, like the little things um, you know they mean more.
You know, the first kid, it's all new, so it was all great.
And then, with two and three, it's like yeah yeah uh uh, you know i've seen this before, I just can't wait to interact with them.
But you know now, with this fourth you know it is more special, but you know, to answer your question, you know it, I would probably do a fifth.
Honestly, if you know if, if my wife wanted to, because I I, I could go for It.
You know, it's more on my wife's side that, you know, she's saying she's done, you know, she's had some health complications with, you know, with a couple of ours and we were able to control it okay with this last one.
But, you know, as you start getting up there in age and you worry about, okay, how old are we going to be when they're grown?
And, you know, and some of the more mundane logistical concerns, like, you know, how are we going to, you know, how are we going to fit all these kids in a vehicle?
How are we going to do all these things?
Are we, you know, are we doing right by the other kids by hitting the reset button again?
And of course, you know, if we were to have a bigger family, you know, Sam's talked about that at length, you know, and I agree with that, but you know, just kind of a combination of, you know, my wife's not enjoyed pregnancy at all.
And, you know, she's troopered through to have the kids and I love her for it.
And, you know, those complications.
And, you know, we're approaching our 40s now.
And so, you know, it's kind of feeling like it's time.
If she wanted a fifth, I'd probably go for it.
But I'm, you know, she doesn't.
I don't, yeah, I'm not going to push it.
You're not going to make a stink about it.
Yeah.
I push for the fourth.
I'm not going to, I'm not going to push it.
Yeah.
Got your blessings.
How about you, Justin?
Conversations or deliberations on more, calling it quits, et cetera.
Yeah, I mean, mostly just trolling you on the whole.
Yeah.
If there's a health issue, I totally understand why you want to stop.
Sure.
I wasn't offended.
Yeah, no, you're good.
And with having more, it's a lot, right?
Like not insignificant with our second, my fourth was, you know, that I'm tired.
It takes a lot.
And I feel like you go back and forth with it.
It's a lot.
And so my wife was like, well, let's just have another one.
Like, yeah, let's do it.
But let's like, how do we want to do that?
And she's like, well, I'm not sure.
We'll just have it and make it work.
I'm like, yeah, this is, this is another one.
It's a lot, you know?
And so it does take time, energy.
You have to consider it.
I, on a superficial level, I'm all for just like, just go for it, right?
Like, if you're going to get married, just get married.
Think with your nuts.
Go all in, go in, do the bit, right?
That didn't work out from the first time, but the second time it's, it's working great.
Sure.
But with kids, it's the same thing, right?
You have the kid, you'll figure it out.
A lot of times, the growth of like the muscles or the mental muscles you need to have a kid, if you're like, oh, I'm not ready for a kid.
Well, you're not ready because you haven't had it yet.
You know, how would you know if you're ready yet?
You're not.
You're never going to be ready.
If you waited, if you were absolutely ready, you will never get there because you have to just do it to get there.
So if you're 80%, just commit to it, get married if you're going to do it.
If you're going to have a kid, have a kid.
You'll figure it out.
One of our biggest problems as a people, as a society, is way too many intelligent, wealthy, competent people probably say, oh, I don't know, too much work or what about daycare and all this stuff instead of thinking with their uteri and their yeah, well, it's the judge meme, right?
It's from idiocracy where the football players banging all the Latina cheerleaders and making like all kinds of weird babies, you know, and the well-thought-out parents like save their eggs and do weird stuff and freeze them and they try to have them produce and they don't work out and they just die out.
So, yeah, there's there's a healthy in-between in that area.
I would say think of it this way: it's the right thing to do.
And if you could think of it that way, that you're doing the thing you ought to do and that's the right thing to do, then you just do it and trust in your human nature and in God to give you the grace to be able to do it as a.
As i've told uh, many of my stem educated co-workers I don't know how many times, as I watched them become first-time parents, literally millions of people dumber than you.
Have figured it out, you'll be fine yeah, exactly.
Uh, I don't know exactly how long we are here in the first.
Without our trusty timekeeper, we're probably close to an hour uh, so I wanted to pivot, if I could real quick back to Conrad again.
If you didn't, if you missed that show.
Uh, he really provided a wealth of financial information.
The younger you are, the better frankly, to get started sooner.
But I didn't challenge him or we didn't dig into one issue that he may have raised himself, which is that his successful investment and saving program worked during what is one of the all-time greatest times to have been invested, despite the financial crisis, despite the Covet puke, you know, 2000 or whatever.
Your starting point is just this great, massive explosion in financial wealth in the United States and around the world, and that might not actually continue to be the model as we hit what I call turbulence, you know, possible coming wars, domestic unrest, with Trump's uh return uh, in the offing.
Um, so one more dig at that Conrad, if you could, about the idea that we're it's not, we're not in Kansas anymore it's, you know, what you experienced is not a guarantor that people who just plop money into a low fee index fund today, with the market at all-time highs on most of the indexes uh should, should people, you know, wait for the great crisis?
That would be one of my mistakes right, always thinking the sky was going to fall and not investing um, but it really does seem like just following the old rules might not be the wisest course or apply today as it as it did in the past, and Justin Can has some thoughts on this too.
Go ahead uh Conrad, sure no, and that that's.
That's a fair point, right?
You know, through the 2010s into the early 2020s, you know there were, you know, covet.
Uh, very short-lived notwithstanding, there were, you know, very few pullbacks and tons of growth, and so it was a, it was a great time.
I'm fortunate to have started it during that um, you know it, it is tough because it it feels like things are going to come to a head.
You know um, you know it's.
It's actually shocking.
Since Biden's been president, you know, the markets hit all-time highs and it was up 20 last year and it just doesn't seem sustainable, and so it's really easy to get into that trap of.
You know i'm going to wait for a crash, and you know one might happen and it could be a great time to to buy in and and i've.
You know, one thing I learned from the, the Covet period um, that I have adjusted a little bit is, you know, whereas through the 2010s I was, you know, pretty much literally 100, you know index fund, literally nothing else, through the 2010s um, you know, lately I backed that off to more like 80, 80.
And so, you know, because one thing that's changed now that wasn't available to us in the 2010s is you could, they'll give you 5% anywhere.
You know, 5% in a fully liquidated money market account that you could, it was as good as cash.
You can get 5% now.
You know, there's the, you know, liquid, not liquidated.
Yeah, you don't want to liquidate.
Thank you for the clarification.
Fully liquid account, it's cash.
You can go in and out.
They'll give you 5%.
You know, the 5.5% bonds I touched on the last episode, the, you know, four and a half, four and three-quarter high-equal savings accounts.
I mean, you can get 5% anywhere.
And so that is a great alternative thing to do.
And that's, you know, I said I've cut the stock down to 80%.
That's where most of my 20% is.
It's just making the 5%.
And the idea is, I think a crash is going to come.
You know, the ironic thing is, since I've gone from 100% to 80-20, I would have made a lot more money staying 100% because the market's continued on to all-time highs.
But I'm sitting at 80/20, and the idea is that at least I get 5%.
And if a crash ever comes, I'm going to take that entire 20% and I'm going to buy back in.
And I think that, you know, that I will stick by that if a big correction comes, that's still the right play.
Because if the market crashes and doesn't continue to grow, that is almost essentially the definition of the end of our financial system as we know it.
If that happens, who knows whether the dollar is going to be worth anything?
Anything that you have saved that's computer money might all become worthless anyway.
So unless you're going to go bear, you know, go full survivor mode, bearing bullion in the hills, then you know, then I think you have to essentially accept that corrections happen.
You know, maybe we're due for a big one, but you need to still follow the assumption that it will on the macro still continue to grow larger.
Because again, if it doesn't, then the system will end.
And, you know, plenty of people have sat on the sidelines of continuing record highs, thinking a crash will come, and it never does.
And that's why I've only 80/20 rather than further.
Because being in our thing, I look at the politics, the macro geopolitical climate, and it just feels like something has to happen.
So that part of me wants to pull it all out of the market.
But I've limited myself to just the 80-20 for all the reasons I just said.
So find your right balance, but don't overcorrect.
You know, it's kind of putting yourself in a win-win situation.
Either something will finally happen, you know, us, nothing ever happened, bros will eventually be wrong.
You know, but if it doesn't, at least you're making money off the system that oppresses us, right?
So you're kind of putting your eggs in both baskets, so to speak.
Just like having more kids diversifies your squad, right?
All three of our kids are vastly different people.
And God knows what our fourth would have been like.
What would have been that magic trick?
Same with your investments.
A little bit of cash, a little bit of bonds, a little bit of precious metals, a little bit of crypto, a lot of equities, of course.
In the long run, the equities have always been your best bet.
But yeah, I thought we felt toppy toward the end of last year.
There was a huge run-up in the fall.
And then the expectations of rate hike cuts came in and the market was going up.
And then they were like, no, not this quarter, not this quarter, not this quarter.
And it's still gone up despite the sort of perpetually punted promises of easier money, which we figure eventually will be coming.
But that's what we thought six months, three quarters ago.
So yeah, diversify amongst everything and keep some powder dry for sure.
And that's actually a really good windup for Justin, who has some thoughts on this that are maybe not necessarily financial.
No, it's definitely financial.
I'm going to jump into that.
Oh, yeah, sure.
So let me cut you out of there.
So I'll say this with that.
So the 2008, 2009 crash was like the big crash, right?
Everyone thinks about that.
That's the last one that happened.
That was really big.
We had a long run.
The people who did the best in that were obviously the people who invested right after the crash, who started at the bottom.
March 2009.
Yep.
Yeah.
Not specifically a Conrad, but maybe kind of close, right?
He was young investing at that beginning.
But even the people who started investing three to five years before that, you're beginning your adventure, right?
You're young, your 20s.
You're not investing a ton of money.
Yeah, maybe you get burned a little bit, but by the 2009, but that's when you really start making money.
So your best bet is actually not getting waiting for a crash to happen before you start investing.
It's invest three to five years before a crash happens and you don't have that much invested and then it crashes.
It sucks, but then you already have the habits built to invest more.
Like there are people who invested and who pulled out of the market after the 2001 dot-com bust and they didn't reinvest and they are totally screwed today.
If they just put their money back in after 2001 and let it ride through the 2009, they would have four to five times as much money as they do now.
Yep.
So being afraid of these downturns is not really a big deal.
They recover in two to three years and then you run it up hard after that.
So you want to keep your money in the market, keep it growing.
And the biggest predictor you have for success with your investments is the money that you put in your account.
That's really it.
The interest rates, the returns on your investments, all those things are all secondary, a distant second to the amount of money that you put in your account.
So if you can save more money, save more money, put it in the account, invest it.
If it takes a big hit, who cares?
Just keep plugging money.
Because really what happens if you have a good savings rate is the market turns down 50% and you lose half what you've already put in.
It doesn't matter, right?
Because you're earning more money and you're putting that money in.
And that money is going to grow over time more than the money you've put in before because you're earning more.
So keep the wealthiest.
The wealthiest, most powerful people on earth use the IRAs, use the investments and buy stocks.
And some of them have inside information and they get out here, there, they make options trades, et cetera.
But yep, unfortunately, one of the reasons our people are not remotely as wealthy as the Jews per capita is because of an unhealthy skepticism or disdain for money, investing, saving finances, whether they think it's fake and gay or whether they think it's rigged or whatever.
Unfortunately, it is the reality.
And if you're not going to play that game, then you have to be extraordinarily talented to get a ton of income or be a good sports gambler or something or inherit a lot of money or win a lawsuit.
Yeah, it's the primary way to gain wealth in real estate, of course, too.
It is fake and gay.
They are screwing you.
It is all rigged.
But if you diversify and put all your money, a small amount of money in each of their little pots, the whole system as a whole, it's built to win, right?
They are winning.
So if you put a little bit of money in each of their pots, eventually you will win too.
Profit on the profits.
They're absurd wins, but you'll win overall.
That's the way to win is to just diversify, split yourself up.
You're not exposed to any of their cons, right?
Yes, you're going to get conned on 25 or 30% of your investments.
But it doesn't matter if the other 70% are all where the Jews win.
Yep.
And just to amplify, sorry, real quick, to a point Justin made, you know, because I agree with everything he said.
Even if you get super unlucky and you start investing right before a correction and you see your account balance halved, you know, Justin is right.
It'll come back.
It always comes back.
The only that money that you put in the halves, the only way it's going to stay halved is if you panic sell.
If you let it sit, it'll come back.
You know, so it'll, it'll, it'll look scary in the short term, but it will come back.
And yes, technically, if you had a crystal ball and could wait, you'd do better.
But, you know, the worst thing you could do is not participate at all.
As long as you don't panic sell, it has literally always come back.
The someone who bought in right before Black Friday, 1929, you know, was sitting pretty in the 50s, you know, as long as they didn't sell.
So.
Amen.
All right, gents, we are well over an hour and we absolutely addressed the most important point three in the opening monologue.
And then we went on to address point two about saving and investing in health as a whole another can of worms and getting old.
Maybe we'll have you back on to talk about aches and pains in your 40s and all the rest of it.
Huge thanks to Conrad and Justin for coming on and being the sluggers on this one.
Poor showing from Sam.
Yeah, very little.
Sam must be sleepy.
He's getting hazards of getting old.
No, it's because our guests were so were so great.
I don't blame you, Sammy.
And Rolo should be back at the control panel for the second half.
I won't even put our special guests on the spot to see if they want to stick around for the second.
They either will be or won't be.
But Justin has the DJ booth heading into the break if he wants it.
Otherwise, Conrad's got one.
Put you on the spot here.
On this one.
That's tough.
Drop some, what's that song?
The EG Money.
I can't remember.
The Money, Money Song?
Didn't, didn't, didn't.
That one?
Money, Money, Money.
All right.
I like it.
Very good.
There's a couple of good remixes out there too, but we'll go with that.
Whoever sang that song, probably late 70s, I guess.
All right.
We will be right back.
Don't go anywhere.
Back to
Full House, episode 189.
Both of our special guests had too much fun in the first half and said they just had to come back for more.
It honestly always pleases me when they choose to stick around.
I guess we didn't abuse them too much.
And the first half didn't probe too deeply.
And just as in the childhood dynamic where your firstborn gets the most attention and the most specific details applied to or taken care of here in the second half, it's the second child, the second child of Full House episode 189.
We will be a little bit more confident, casual, and relaxed in terms of how this goes.
But before we get too far, a huge new white life congratulations.
No, we didn't cancel new white life.
I, of course, was joking last week.
Sam reminded me well into the second half, but our pal Merd.
Myrd is another one who's thinking, but I'm not entirely sure.
Don't quote me on that.
Yep.
Sometimes I'm deliberately obtuse on the details there, but congratulations, big guy.
We appreciate the heads up.
Yeah.
And yeah, congratulations.
And Wifey.
Many more hats off.
We salute you and I don't have too many uh, like you know, housekeeping items here or issues to address.
Uh, I am, my knee hurts, I have a crick in my neck.
Speaking about getting older uh, you know, I had that knee surgery and yesterday I was literally just mowing the lawn.
I had to do a little bit of riding, a little bit of pushing, depending on the terrain, and weed whacking too, and i'm walking and i'm like oh great like, all of a sudden I had a fairly severe pain in the core of my knee, which probably means I didn't pop the uh repaired acl or anything, but it's probably a meniscus issue.
It felt a little bit like bone on bone.
So uh wonderful great, you know.
Uh, to the youthful in the audience, yeah, count your blessings, go ahead, sam you, what's your, what's your medical melody?
Are you in fighting shape?
I'm i'm, i'm doing all right, i'm doing all right.
Uh, thank you for that.
Uh, reference you.
We had a listener reach out and say he was coming through town and uh, we got together.
You could.
Yeah, you gave the info.
We ended up meeting up for lunch, he and his beautiful family.
I mean just amazing uh, they were passing through town and uh, we went out to this Irish restaurant and turned out they were having a special event.
So instead we went over to this Polish restaurant, which was uh, absolutely wonderful, and we spent a couple hours together uh, having good laughs and good conversation.
There was some Polish music tuning up there right at the end.
We had a wonderful time and I ended up giving him one of our new full house t-shirts.
If you see in the video, i'm wearing the new, the new shirt.
Uh, one of our people in our humble little community uh, bought a DTF printer which is uh, direct to film.
Yeah, and these things, if you, you just go on and price them on the internet there, you'll see that they are not cheap by any means, and this is regarded as maybe the best way to put an image on a shirt, and i'm wearing it right now.
It looks great.
The image, first of all.
The image itself is very, very sharp and colorful, but it's uh, the the print is very soft and it feels like it's part of the fabric.
If i'm not looking at it, it just, you know, it feels almost like it's just part of the shirt.
It's very right, it's soft.
You know, some of these transfers can be like kind of heavy uh on there, but it's, it's a very high quality image front and back.
And i'm actually working on my second box.
These things are going like hot cakes.
Oh yeah, yeah.
And uh, i'm trying to um get our our uh dear colleague to set up a telegram channel where she can take these uh orders uh, just directly uh.
But uh, so far i've just been.
I ordered one box and then I ordered a second box because when people see these they, they just say, can I have one, you know, and uh in, in this case, I gave our friend one because he was a listener coming through town, town.
He came all that way to see me.
So I gave him one.
But I think we should.
I can have one.
Sure.
It's funny.
Sam's mercantilist Anglo is coming out.
He's rubbing his hands at his emerging full house merchandise.
True story on the on the merch question.
When we started the show or maybe like a year in when it was a little bit bigger, we talked about doing it.
My wife actually made up a big, a lot of prototypes and I didn't pull the trigger.
And I'll be completely honest with the audience.
Number one, it was a little bit of slough.
I was like, this is going to be a lot of work.
We're in a like, you know, buying inventory and then having it sit around.
God knows how many people are going to buy it.
Number two, I felt a little bit sincerely principled on it.
Like selling merch is a little bit iffy or something.
Like you're just trying to make extra money off the audience.
I know some people genuinely want this stuff, but I was like, I don't, it wasn't important to me.
And then the other thing too was then you get into like becoming more of a business, right?
Like we've just put out a completely free podcast aside from the sex show for five plus years now.
And then it's like, you know, if I am selling merch, do I then have to like create a business and all this stuff?
And I've always just been like, enjoy the podcast.
And, but Sam is making full house shirts on the side.
Let me wrap my beak a little bit in that larges.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, that's great that you're doing it.
Hats off.
The image is, it's a very attractive image.
You know, it shows the family.
It's red, white, and black.
It's kind of provocative.
The way that the family is standing there, it's kind of like a defiant stance.
You know, it's a silhouette.
The image, I think, really says something.
And then on the back, you have the full house logo on the back with the word full house on it.
And so it's a front and back t-shirt.
And we're going to be selling them for 20 bucks.
Most of it goes for the shirt and everything like that.
But the person who's making them gets a few bucks.
We get a few bucks.
And when people see these, they really want them, you know, and they are really cool.
And so, anyways, we did have a colleague set up on one of those.
I forget what the name of the shirt company was, but it's kind of like a made-to-order and print apply or something.
Yeah, he set it up on there, but the quality was not very good.
It was okay, but like this image is much bigger on the shirt than what you could get through that site.
The shirt is actually cheaper because we're doing it ourselves and we don't need to make like a bunch of money at it.
We're just trying to make it worth our while, so to speak.
And it's a higher quality image and shirt.
And also a couple of people bought the shirt from the other thing and they actually like got the wrong image on there and we had to complain.
It was a star of David.
Yeah.
Just some other weird, you know, so it's anyways, now it's, it'll be all under our control.
And once she has that Telegram thing set up, we'll certainly make it available to anyone.
And, you know, it's the type of thing.
I don't know how many people will actually order them, but I know when I have a box of them right in front of me, people say, hey, give me one of them shirts.
Awesome.
Yep.
Well, it's about time you started earning your keep around here five years, Sam.
Thank you, buddy.
Thank you for doing it.
Yep.
Thank you for doing that.
All right.
We were almost entirely wholesome and normie in the good sense in the first half.
I don't think we talked too much about Jewish power or the collapse and fall of White America whatsoever.
So let's do it here in the second half.
And the first thing at the top of my scant stack here is, of course, the debate, the downfall of Biden, which way America is the fix in for Trump.
Do they really want him to win?
Cause he'll pacify the MAGA radicals and make it easier to get in a war with Iran or I don't think Russia.
But I guys were like, ah, you're gay if you watch that debate.
It's going to suck.
It's going to be stupid.
And I am so damn glad that I tuned in to watch.
It was like the moon landing for like the decline and fall of the American empire because nobody thought that Biden was going to be that bad.
My first reaction was, I thought he was supposed to be on meth.
Like, you know, maybe somebody gave him a depressant instead or like some drug cocktail that went wrong.
Yeah, he looked deathly.
He looked like a cadaver.
Like who in the team was doing the makeup where Trump, of course, looked orange.
Anybody could predict that.
And then Biden looked wan and pale and ghostly, cadaver-esque, and he sounded even worse.
And then he had the weird thing where he was like kind of good and coherent or like mildly good and coherent in the middle.
And then he reverted back to doddering old man thing like, oh, he had a cold.
Oh, you know, he's not used to staying up late.
It was just a spectacular display of septogenarian, soon to be octogenarian mental incapacity that I almost, the whole family was here watching.
We were like falling on our asses to be like, and then, and, and, you know, Trump himself was, yes, there were whoppers and lies and exaggerations.
He was not on point whatsoever.
And I think I said this on Twitter, but can you imagine your, this is really important.
We are the superpower.
We are clearly not the sole superpower anymore.
I think China qualifies and Russia increasingly qualifies, but we're like the apex predator of the world.
And we have this constitutional system where the people are voting, et cetera.
And these two guys are longtime professional politicians, executives, managers, television personalities, public speakers, and debaters.
They've all been through this before.
They all had well over a week to prepare with extensive staff who, you know, sequestered in Camp David for a week with the best political advisors money could buy, including somebody playing Trump in a situation like this.
And I guarantee that one or both of those teams had it.
They certainly knew they were going to ask about inflation, about war, about age, et cetera.
And that Biden had the questions.
I'm sure they liked him.
And that was the best.
Yeah.
It's obvious because he answers some of them in the wrong order.
So clearly he knew the questions, but he didn't know what the response was.
I like what the Babylon B said that they're just going to go to him and tell him he already resigned.
And like, how would he know if he did or didn't?
Yeah, but, you know, stubborn old man, like, you know, you know how stubborn old men can be.
Oh, I still got plenty of gas in the tank.
Jill's got my back, you know.
He's that cognitive at this point.
No.
Yeah.
The brain trust poll of the Full House family is it was near 50-50 for all the marbles.
Will Biden resign?
And I think it was like slightly more said that he would than he would not.
And as of today, I mean, you know, they came out in total damage control.
You've now had a couple Democrat elected officials say, no, he's got to resign.
Jake Tapper, the mass media, New York Times, CNN have kind of turned on him.
Obviously, technically, it is Biden's call on whether to withdraw or not.
Maybe they can force him.
You know, it gets into all this speculation about the hand behind the throne and what's really going on.
Somebody said, remember, the debate is not for you.
The debate is a tryout for the Jewish power and the donors.
Perhaps true, but yeah, at the same time, it was so bad.
you really don't want your populace laughing at you, then you're really getting into emperor has no clothes in late Soviet Union stage.
Yeah.
It's just funny when you remember when Trump was president and then there were all these serious mediations about, is he competent to be president?
Like, oh my God, is this guy competent to be president?
Well, they spent the last six months telling us, no, no, his doctor checked him out.
Joe Biden is sharp as a tat.
This is the only reason why I am not sure that Joe Biden will resign because they spent so much time saying that he's never been smarter.
He's never been more focused.
He's never been more coherent.
And then we just all, the whole world saw that that's just not true.
So they just spent this entire time building up that, no, he's fine when the rest of the world is like, I don't know, he looks like a drooling old like hospice patient that you put hair plugs and a fake tan on.
And then, and then like, no, no, no, he's great.
He's great.
And then now he's like, and if it were like 1994 or even 2004, right?
It wouldn't be as dangerous.
But you've got three, you know, three separate hotspots, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Palestine, and China, Taiwan.
Could explode even worse at any moment.
And, you know, Mike Tracy, love him or hate him, I tend to like him or love him more than I hate him on Twitter.
He can be pretty insufferable, but he's just been wonderful.
Like there's, there's no rational world where a man of that demonstrated mental decline should be the sole arbiter of our nuclear weapons or, you know, whether we go to war.
It's scary.
It's shocking.
And they're still doubling down on it and telling you that what you saw and heard was either an aberration or that it doesn't matter.
And the other weird thing is he did come out the next day, maybe because he's better during the day.
And he gave, and he looked like a relatively normal old man who could string two sentences together when he did the thing at Raleigh.
And it's like, I guess I'm just not that familiar with old people where they're like super or relatively competent during the day.
And then, you know, after a certain hour hits, it's like bedtime for Bonzo.
But regardless, if you force me to guess today, I still think that there's inertia that he will be forced to resign.
The donors will rebel or he'll wave the white flag.
It's very close.
You know, the Norseman and I, we always like to make our little geopolitical gambles and we're like, oh, it's, it's too close.
It's too on the line.
It's like even money.
God knows which way it would go.
And then there's the question of who would replace him.
And I, you know, if he's going to resign, the idea that they're going to skip over Kamala, if they think, you know, Trump's ahead in almost all the polls, he's got some big bumps or some downfalls there.
I find it very difficult that the Democrats could skip over Kamala for Gretchen Whitmer.
I do believe they could go for Gavin Newsome because he appears hyper competent, sharp, Patrick Bateman style.
I know he's a white man with a white family, but one of our pals guarantees it's good.
California is like the most like dreaded state.
And he is in charge of like, wow, how could you like bungle this trillion dollar state?
So that, so there's a lot of baggage with him.
Like if you look at most states, most people don't know who the governors are outside their own.
Everybody knows who Gavin Newsom is.
And everybody knows what a mess California is.
Like it's the biggest mess in the country.
Gavin Newsome wins in 2028.
He has no incentive to run this year.
He's not going to put himself in front of this vote.
He's not going to take any heat.
He's let this wash over.
He's going to run in 2028.
That's going to be his whole bit.
He has no reason not to do it.
Now, he hasn't been in a live interview since the Adam Carolla show in 2013, where he got shredded hard.
And so he's just going to avoid any kind of public consideration until there is a vote potentially or some kind of debate in 2028 and he's going to prepare for it heavily.
That's my idea.
I don't know.
Well, I mean, he did do the debate with Ron DeSantis, and I saw him on MSNBC or CNN the other night where he was like, basically, I'm ready.
My thinking on that is that politicians a lot of time think, oh, it's not my time.
I'll wait.
It worked out for Biden when he didn't run and then he chose 2020.
But think about Obama in 2008.
A lot of people said, no, it's Hillary's time.
You need to stay out.
Sometimes you only get one shot at the Apple, especially in this crazy world.
So I wouldn't necessarily say, oh, Gavin's going to wait in the wings for 2028, although it's a very solid theory.
Now, the Gretchen Whitmer stuff, our buddy who's like, you fools, it's going to be Gretchen Whitmer.
I'm like, who?
What?
Jay Andrew.
I don't believe it.
We've got Trump and Biden who are in their 80s.
This idea that you can't run anymore, I think, is gone.
You can drag this stuff out if you need to.
I don't think Newsom needs to.
I think he's been in the 50s.
When 2028 comes around, he's going to be relatively young from what we've seen the last 30 years.
So I think he's going to be okay for that.
Yeah.
I mean, if they do replace Biden, call it 50-50, I would go with Kamala probably first, then Gavin.
I just can't see.
Yeah.
Oh, Josh Shapiro.
Think about their rogues.
There's a lot of dark horses out there that are viable candidates.
I put Gavin Newsome like very low on the list just because of the amount of baggage with him.
But everybody knows about it.
If they ran Josh Shapiro, it's kind of like a who?
Well, you know, he's not Trump and he's not Biden.
Better than nothing.
But you run Gavin, people go, ooh, I don't know.
California's not doing so good.
Gretchen Whitmore still has the baggage of the kidnapping.
It's not going anywhere.
Gavin Newsom wins because people know who Gavin Newsom is.
It doesn't matter if he's a piece of shit or not.
No one cares.
He gets to win.
I think he's not going to do it in 2024.
I do think people might care this time around just because things have gotten so bad that people might be looking for something that appears more moderate on the Democrat side.
Maybe, but they just manipulate it and vote in whoever they want to win.
So if they want Newsom to win, he gets to win in 2028.
That's true.
I am coming around to the theory that many of the big money pro-Israel Jewish puppet string pullers are just resigning themselves to the fact that Trump would be better for Israel.
He's ahead in the polls.
Biden's on death's doorstep and let's just like they know that he's philosophic and he was functionally America's first Jewish president.
Why not just throw in with him and put your chips on the table?
You know, he didn't deliver on any of his, you know, most grandiose, populist, actual pro-white American policies.
So just give it to him and let Biden lose and further embarrass himself or sacrifice someone.
That would be my only argument or reason to give credence to this little witch, Gretchen Whitmer, is that she doesn't matter.
You know, she doesn't have any charisma.
So give it to a woman.
But again, then just give it to Kamala because you know the people hate Kamala and she's even more of a joke than Biden.
Let her.
Yeah.
Don't forget all.
Oh, no.
He brought her back.
He brought her back out of retirement.
Hey, you never know.
You're testing those waters.
I was in this self-checkout line today, Rolo, and I'm like about to get up there.
And a black woman is like coming perpendicular to me, not in the line that's clearly established.
And she's just staring at me.
I was like, and I was polite at first.
I was like, are you trying to get through?
She says, no, I'm waiting in line and I'm thinking I was here before you.
I saw through the hustle right away.
I said, no, I have been here in line for well over a minute.
Thank you very much.
And I wanted to like turn around and help the people behind me and say, like, there's the line, lady, but I just stuck to my guns.
And I was like, that's on you people to stick up for yourself for this entitled black line cutter.
And what do you know?
She got in right behind me.
The people behind me didn't make a stink.
So maybe, maybe they can stew on that one if they noticed at all.
Anyway, she didn't have a knife in her hand.
Yeah, no, she did not look like a wild-eyed, obese baby killer, fortunately.
Yeah, just an entitled, she thought I was going to cuck and I never cuck in the self-checkout line when somebody's trying to cut.
Go ahead, Conrad.
Yeah, regardless of who ends up facing Trump in November, you know, the one thing this whole episode has reminded me is that, you know, despite what we sometimes end up thinking is, you know, our enemy is of a singular mind.
They're not, you know, omnipotent, infallible, you know, with this long-range plan that, you know, that just come to fruition, because that is definitely not the case here, because either their plan was Biden the whole time, in which case, why they've agreed to an early debate unless they thought it would work.
And if they thought it would work, it didn't.
Or if they were trying to set him up to fail to bring someone in, why do they sink all of the credibility across all of the press, all of the Democratic congressmen saying that he is fine, only for him not to be?
You know, there is too much contradiction.
There's too many changing of plans.
No matter what the truth is, there is contradictory information out there.
So just take heart that the enemy has their own issues.
They can't make up their own mind.
Things don't always work out for them.
That is, regardless of what ends up happening, that's, I think, the main takeaway message.
Absolutely.
Rollo shaking his head.
I totally agree.
And that's also a motivating factor to get messages in gear.
Nodding my head.
Yes, shaking your head vertically.
He was doing the Indian thing side to side, which means, you know, mostly yes.
Just kidding.
But yeah, and use that.
I mean, use that knowledge as comforting in a sense.
And it's also uncomfortable in a sense to realize just how fractured, divided, incompetent.
I mean, to put to double down on the cadaver goes to show, man.
And then to have the blustering.
I mean, that was not a good debate performance.
I didn't like Trump at all.
He was repetitive.
He told obvious falsehoods.
He did the usual self, The braggadocia that if you, if you've paid attention to him and all his rhetoric doesn't match the results, then you can maybe blame the deep state and the democratic operatives and the chi comms for the first term.
Not really.
But he's just going to make the same excuses in the second term at this point.
I don't know.
There is a point, though, investment-wise, where if it looks increasingly likely like Trump is going to win, that you might think oil and gas is going to fare better.
A lot of those renewable green BS companies are going to fare worse.
Probably pressure on the Federal Reserve to cut rates and make money easier.
And, you know, it's hard to see Trump escalating Russia, Ukraine, but it's easy to see him escalating Israel, Middle East, Lebanon, Hezbollah, and Iran.
So, you know, screwed either way.
Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
Nothing has changed since our great interview with Greg Hood just over a week ago for me at least.
A pox on both their houses for lying and incompetence and all the rest of it.
Anything else on politics or Trump Biden before we move on?
I think we did it.
All right.
I am so reluctant to do this, but I have to be.
Let's all go to bed.
You think we should ignore it, Rolo, or you think we should talk about it?
I know you have strong opinions on it.
It's so bad.
It's one of the biggest black eyes on our race.
Worst thing since truck nuts.
And that is the Hawktuo girl.
Yes, we're going to talk about it, unfortunately, if only for the reason that it has invaded my mental space.
I posted about it the other day as I was grinding my meniscus down to nothing.
I had a lot of grass and dirt.
I had, oh, you know, you get a couple real good Lugies out there, stuff that would impress your friends, you know, 12 years old in the dugout, spitting them onto the fence so it would like drip down on the chain legs.
But and I was like, damn it.
And I was thinking about the early 20s white girl becoming a sensation for a vulgar reference to Fallatio.
And it doesn't surprise me that a white girl would say that.
It doesn't surprise me that some opportunistic prick would like go around asking sexual questions to a white woman.
What disgusted me most of all was the fact that it not only became a meme and a cultural phenomenon, but that she showed up on stage at a Zach Bryan concert and that she's supposedly being boosted or celebrated in right-wing circles,
which the thought of that deed becoming a meme for, it's gross for us, but for teenagers and like preteens to know like even what that means and what it represents makes me want to go deeper into West Virginia, more into the hollers and escape this Sodom and Gomorrah.
Rolo, over to you, my friend.
Unless I said it all right there.
Well, here, this is my biggest problem with the whole thing is this vulgarity and this open display of basically being a whore.
Like that is like that's someone's daughter.
And the thing is, everybody with the exception of me on this panel has multiple children.
So going down to coach, we can assume that everyone has had sex at least three times.
Okay.
We don't need to tell people about the things that we do.
And I don't like to use my imagination in that way.
Like, I don't want to know what you do.
I don't want to hear about what you do.
Your kids are proof enough for me that there was some intimacy.
But people that just shamelessly parade around their degeneracy and how it's celebrated by the media.
And then, and it's, and it's just going to make white women double down on like, oh, look at the validation we get for being a whore.
Wow, there's, there is literally nothing wrong with it.
It feels good.
And we don't just get approval.
We get credibility on a national and worldwide scale.
Including from right-wingers and conservatives and Republicans, ostensibly.
Yeah, everyone, everyone.
That's a national and global level.
It's not just like, like she signs million dollar deal with porn hub or something.
It's just, it's just like she's a new celebrity and all she was was just a whore.
And anyone that's that open, she's not someone that's like, I just, I just discovered mouth hugs.
I did it one time and it's awesome.
No, no, no.
This is like, like, this is like clerks is t-ball for her.
And she's in the major leagues.
And it's only going to get worse.
And as this behavior grows, that's less marriages, less families.
And respectable white men don't want to be around that.
But you know who will take it?
Blacks, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, sand monkeys, all the undesirable.
They'll have no problem.
White men will take that too.
But here's the thing.
The white men that will take it, they're perfectly happy not forming families.
Yeah.
But the other ones will have the family.
They'll have all the mixed race mongrels they want.
And the whites that see that are like just like functionally brain dead and have no foresight, like what's the world going to be like in five, 10 years, maybe one year.
No, they're perfectly fine saying like, oh, here's a good pump and dump.
And she's happy just doing it.
They're all happy being godless whores.
I'm dreading the moment that I see those words emblazoned on the rear windshield of a pickup truck in West Virginia.
Put money on it that I'm going to see it.
Mercifully, the truck nuts have kind of receded.
And the one thing, I don't know if we disagreed on it, Roller, or whatever.
It's like, I wasn't born yesterday.
I know we live in a sexualized culture and that young women are, you know, they were easy in my day, you know, in the early 2000s and college and spring break, et cetera.
And it doesn't even shock me that that would like come out of her mouth.
You know, Girls Gone Wild was a thing, right?
That was 20 years ago.
But just to see something so stupid and crude get, again, I wouldn't, I tried to ignore it at first.
I was like, why am I seeing a picture of this girl?
And I ignored it.
And then it was like, again, and again and again.
And finally, I asked, I was like, who is that?
The fact that it exploded across mass cultural awareness as a function of social media, of course, and Jewish perversion invading our formerly healthy headspaces.
But just that I don't know, just that it became a thing.
And I guess we're guilty of making it a bigger thing, but it was too relevant and like sort of on point to just pretend that it didn't exist or whatever.
Deserve commentary.
And she will, mark my words, she will do porn.
Well, that's what somebody said.
Yeah, you should skip the podcast circuit and just go right to go right to OnlyFans cleanup.
Almost I think that she will do like not just like there's girls that do OnlyFans that do softcore stuff guaranteed.
Like she's going to be the hawk to a girl for a reason.
You know, it's bad when Howard Stern, of all people who made hundreds of millions of dollars off of objectifying women, you know, needs the feigning couch and says, you know, God forbid that was my daughter.
Now, word on the street is that she is not actually Justin Warren's first wife.
I just wanted to clarify that.
You know, that's as young and pretty as she was.
But, you know, what's, yeah, what's next?
You know, is some other perversion going to be, you know, there's a Hawktua girl.
I don't even want to know what the guttural sound would be.
We got twerking.
We got WAP.
We got Hawktua.
We're really plumbing the basement of our worst instincts.
Yeah.
I think unfortunately, part of what really amplified it, you know, because I think there's always some amount of degeneracy floating around on, you know, in certain circles on the internet.
But, you know, even guys in our circles and, you know, are generally pretty far right leaning who wouldn't normally engage in that.
So many of those people online use memes as their way of coping with reality and interacting with people.
And it became so meme worthy.
You know, you saw stuff that was even outside of the disgusting deed that made her famous, like her superimposed on the spitting velociraptor on Jurassic Carter.
People just had fun with it.
And I did having fun with it.
But unfortunately, all that did was amplify the actual piece.
And so, you know, and I think so as things get worse, you know, it can be fun to share some of those, you know, those, you know, those memes.
You know, another one was her on the face of a campbell spitting, right?
You know, so people, people had fun with it outside of all their context, but all that does is amplify all these behaviors we don't want.
And so, you know, that would be, you know, I guess it, I guess there's a, there's a white, you know, silver lining there in that maybe some of the reasons it got popular are for something outside of the direct degeneracy, but then it's also a watch out that you don't want to amplify and continue sharing things that we don't want, even if it can be fun to do so.
For sure.
Well put, yeah, I don't want, I don't want to give it any more air time looking at the news here.
One thing that really stood out today was that some Cameroonians got deported.
They were illegal aliens in the United States, and I think they had temporary protected status.
This is from Zero Hedge originally.
I think the Center for Immigration Studies picked up on this.
But basically, there were a handful of Cameroonians who got deported under Trump because they were legals and because their temporary protected status due to whatever shenanigans going on back home.
Sometimes the United States will allow Haitians, whatever country you're from, if there's problems there, they'll be like, all right, we'll give you a mulligan or a pass for X amount of months.
And these people got deported because someone rightfully judged that this was bullshit and then they needed to go back.
Obama's immigration apparatus apparently has gone out of its way to contact those people in Cameroon and get them back into the United States, which is, you know, totally jaded on immigration, totally jaded on the invasion.
You know, great replacement is not a theory.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
It is a stated policy of both parties.
And these people are going out of their way to bring illegal alien Cameroonians back to the United States.
Like this guy's going to be on the flight into Dulles.
Please make sure that we undo like this one of a handful of deportations under Trump.
It takes a lot to shock me and surprise me and outrage me.
And I just had to flag that one.
Let's go around the horn for the most maddening thing about the United States today or our culture or our society other than mass invasion hawk to a girl.
Rolo, what's in your craw?
Honestly, the thing that drives me the most crazy is grocery prices.
No, no, it's actually just how selfish everyone is because of social media.
Like everyone is just such a narcissist and nobody has any perception of like what's going to happen down the line for anything.
And that's just the new normal is just live in your phone, live on Instagram, live on TikTok, and don't make any connections.
A boomer talked to me at the gym the other day and he's like, you know, back in my day, you know, we didn't, before people put those headphones in, you used to talk to people at the gym and you'd make friends.
And I was like, you are preaching to the choir, old man.
I mean, he wasn't actually a boomer.
He was probably like late 40s or something, but he was still doing the, but like it's, it is a boomer talking point, like back and not, and that's what he was doing.
But I was like, yeah, yes, yes.
Like you talk, you try to talk to someone and they think that like you're, you're trying to like swindle them.
Yep.
And it's, it cuts across classes too, right?
Like if you're a 60-something housewife, you know, you put an American flag in your bio and you go on and spill talking points on Facebook or maybe Twitter or the Breitbart section.
If you're an aspiring thought, you know, post pictures of yourself on Instagram or TikTok.
And if you're a Nazi, you know, you create a Telegram account or a Twitter account and engage in infight and boost memes that we've seen 10 times over.
Sam, what is, how is Why America making you craziest these days?
I mean, having does it begin with N and end in R or S?
Wow, you're reading my mind, Cody.
You're like over there.
Ned Flanders?
Naggers.
Yeah.
These lawless niggers.
I mean, nothing can be done about them.
They are unpolicable.
They're uneducable.
They're uncontrollable.
They smell.
Yeah.
And that.
Has Ashkosh Summer been more violent or pretty quiet over there?
Oh, goodness.
Yes.
Oh, goodness.
Yes.
Conrad doesn't get angry about anything.
He's, you know, perfect, perfect man.
He's unflappable, you know, just an all-around nice guy.
But perhaps there's something out there in the weeds that's that's bothering him in the background.
Like day-to-day life, you know, I'm thankfully right now pretty isolated from things.
We've talked before about how you can lose the edge being out in the hills and West Virginia compared to where you used to.
And, you know, I can sympathize with that a lot.
I'm in a pretty rural white area.
People, you know, you can't actually have conversations with strangers on the fly.
And, you know, people are friendly and will talk to each other.
And so it's, you know, in daily life, it can be pretty easy to just be chill, you know, as far as when you look beyond that, you know, the internet and big things.
I mean, you could go on forever listening all this stuff that's frustrating.
I think the biggest thing that's frustrating to me, every once in a while, I'll go on the comments on Facebook and different things just to see what normie conservatives are saying.
And it grains my gears the most is every time something involving, you know, Patriot Front with Thomas Rousseau or, you know, 90% of the comments are, well, they're obviously feds.
And it's just feds, feds, feds.
Yep.
You know, just because there's some fit guys who are trying to do something for the country and you are not as fit and not as brave, therefore they must be a fed.
And it's tough because there are plenty of obvious fed situations out there, like that like, you know, phony, like a Washington, D.C. rally they try to get.
And there's those pictures of those three various obvious feds sitting there when no one showed up.
I mean, stuff like that.
Do they just assume everyone's a fed and it becomes their cope for not doing everything?
And I can get pretty angry just reading some of those comments on different things.
Otherwise, you know, good, you know, people with good takes, you know, from a conservative standpoint, but that part rule rule grant.
Very frustrating for me too, including personally, because, you know, I love my father.
He was a great, he was and remains a great father.
He was always middle of the road.
I think he was the archetypal Perot voter.
He reluctantly came around a little bit to Trump and conservatism later in life, only because I think he got a little bit disgusted by the DEI stuff, but still very much like Red State or like Ben Shapiro to your understanding of things.
And then he just offhanded did the obvious feds over the dinner table.
It was probably a year ago.
I said, oh, oh, we got a live one here.
I'm taking that bait.
You know, I'm not just going to like remain apolitical.
I said, dad, we've interviewed the head of Patriot Front on the show.
I don't know if my dad has ever actually listened to the show.
I send it to him occasionally.
I was like, listen to the interview and judge for yourself.
Those guys have been sued.
They've been arrested.
They've been doxxed.
And they keep at it.
You know, feds, feds work as confidential informants and feds, you know, run cover.
They come up with violent plots or whatever.
Those guys have never been violent.
The worst you could say is they covered up a, you know, a mural or whatever.
I said, like, where feds don't get persecuted like that.
They get let off easy maybe on their thing.
I was like, please listen to the interview.
I don't know if you ever listened to the interview.
I never brought it up again, but my own, the wellspring of my of my life totally bought in on that.
And I, yeah, to be honest, I, you know, I went hard on that one, but I wasn't like, you need to start reading, you know, it's just, it's water under the bridge at this point.
It's too late, frankly, for a lot of boomers to invest a lot of time into this stuff.
But to rattle their cages a little bit, send them a full house, send them a spicy link or something, and just challenge their preconceptions if for no other reason than you can say that you tried and just give them a little mental exercise, right?
That's what one of the reasons for mental decline is that, you know, older people don't challenge themselves.
They don't do enough puzzles.
They don't think enough.
Maybe they read a lot.
But go for it.
Yep.
I absolutely agree.
That one drives me up a wall.
And I, you know, I'm, I remain skeptical of the prospects of success for Patriot Front, even though I love those guys.
I support the mission.
By all means, if you're listening to this and you're a young man and you're into activism, I would say go for it.
If you're willing to, you know, undertake the risk and buy into the mission.
I don't know if it's going to win red, white, and blue.
Not exactly my cup of tea.
But to say that they are obvious feds is the biggest example of a brain-dead parrot talking, regurgitating system lies.
And it pisses me off.
Yeah, absolutely.
Oh, Justin, you had plenty of time to think about the myriad insults and injuries we sustain on a daily basis in this transcontinental open-air madhouse.
What do you got, big guy?
You're muted.
Yep.
Or he stepped away.
He's still on the call.
All right.
Maybe we'll come back to him.
Anyway, sometimes it's too much to deal with.
You there?
No.
Yeah.
All right.
Oh, my, and I didn't give mine.
I'll go for it.
And perhaps it's an obvious one.
It's an easy one.
But the slave, speaking of parroting lies and evil propaganda, the slavish devotion to Israel as our greatest ally, flying Israeli flags by non-Jews saying that the Palestinians deserve it, that we need to let Israel finish the job.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Did these people all like, even if you were raised in an evangelical church and you were reading the Schofield Bible and stuff like that, like I can understand believing that at one point in your life.
But remember that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself was a mass society meme.
And just slightly under that is that Jeffrey Epstein was a mossad operative to blackmail American politicians.
USS Liberty is more widely known than ever before.
You've got all the stuff with COVID and the Jews and the Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum that these people can buy.
Yeah.
All the things you hate Disney, Disney going woke, literally James O'Keefe showing that they were like, no, we're not hiring white men for top executive positions at Disney.
That's going to go to Jews.
These people consume that meeting.
They consume that media somewhere, whether it's James O'Keefe or whether it's USS Liberty or our guys on Twitter doing the hard work that to me is repetitive.
I'm like, yeah.
But they get Jake Shields, Nick Fuentes, they get tens of thousands, millions of views on some of this stuff.
Kanye West, it's all so obvious.
It's also out there.
And I just can't wrap my head around being exposed to any semblance or shred of that stuff and still parroting Israel is our greatest ally and pound the Palestinians into dust.
And I never met Cursed Salad.
I have no idea who he was.
He was a Twitter legend from back in the day.
And one of the really fun phenomenons of being a lurker on Twitter is seeing all of these bangers from back in 2016, 2017, 2018 from the greats.
Andrew Joyce, cursed salad, apolitical, gets a ton of his gems dredged up.
And Cursed Salad said, look, right-wing Jews agitate for wars in the Middle East to serve Israel's benefit, which moves refugees, creates instability.
Whether you think ISIS is Mossad or was simply Mossad-enabled, doesn't matter.
The point is that American neoconservative Jews started wars in the Middle East, wanted to start more to benefit Israel, which displaces Muslims who go to Europe and America and other white countries.
Left-wing Jews, instead of being overtly at the controls of war and aid to Israel, are the open borders diversity is good for you types, the great replacement enablers.
And then all of Israel's enemies end up in white countries, which dilutes our political power here.
It does make us angrier and it does make us more racially aware.
But as anyone who's been to Michigan or Dearborn or, you know, notices, like it utterly changes the dynamic in our countries.
And it was a perfect synergy.
Israel gets what it wants.
Our countries get screwed and left-wing and right-wing Jews claps their hands together and rejoice that they're, you know, we talk about the Jews as our eternal enemy, but many shows ago, I said, why do they hate us?
And I think the consensus was one, Christianity and two, they view us going back to the Third Reich, back to the Pilgrims as their final boss, their final enemy who needs to be crushed.
The Goyam need to be fully, not just fully enslaved, which we largely are per capita in terms of brainwashing and debt and sickness and degeneracy, but probably extirpated from this earth is their ultimate objective so that they can reign supreme as, you know, they're white when it suits their purposes.
They're non-white when it suits their purposes.
And then they can just have their rentier, their financier paradise of lording it over the multitudes of brown crows.
I think that's a four or five sentence synopsis of the biggest, most important dynamic in the world today and for centuries, for millennia.
Frankly, they're just closest to it than ever before.
All right.
Justin, his headset is not functioning.
It is almost 12.30 here on July 3rd.
The 4th is around the corner.
So I think we can bring it home here.
Justin, thank you for joining us.
And if you can't speak, we salute you.
Appreciate it.
Let's go to Conrad.
Final thoughts or anything?
Thank you, buddy, for coming back on.
No, I don't think I have anything else to add.
I appreciate you inviting me back and hope I'll get to do it again in the future.
You bet.
I think we compensated in the second half.
We went hard enough in the second half as compared to our very family-friendly and safe first half.
Somebody's going to listen.
Somebody's going to listen to the first half and be like, oh, what nice normal guys.
And then get their hair blown back a little bit here in the second, I hope.
Sam, our emerging merchant class full house member.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
You know, hey, coach, I've been on white noise radio a couple of times recently and had a lot of fun on there.
I encourage people to go over there and listen to it.
We had a wonderful show, which was just playing some music and talking this past weekend.
And then I was on his, he's going by the alphabet, you know, which sounds kind of funny in a way, but we're on letter I and it just makes you kind of dig into what are the bands letter I. Maybe we all tend to go towards our favorite bands, whatever they are.
But when you kind of break it up, it's like you got to make people think and dig down and remember some bands or come up with some bands that are the, you know, letter I.
So I hosted the letter I show.
But I heard somebody else was going to be on white noise radio coming up.
You betcha.
Jay Haight reached out and asked me if I would, he was like, will you interview Nate?
I was like, we just had Nate and his mom on like, you know, a couple of months ago.
What do I want to interview him again?
No, no, no, no, for white noise radio and to talk about the music because he's absolutely right that I absolutely adore sincerely as a true fan Wellington Arms and their awesome library.
So yeah, that's coming up.
He wanted to do it this weekend.
I was like, it's the 4th of July.
Is it your first time?
First time doing a show?
He's like, oh, yeah.
No, I do that all the time where I'm like, yes, let's record on Thursday.
Oh, that's right.
It's my anniversary.
Oh, that's right.
So that'll be coming soon.
That'll be a good one.
Yep.
Rolito, thank you for joining us late.
And I think you were calling in from the road there at a point just to keep tabs on us.
Appreciate it, buddy.
I did.
I did my job.
I made a note.
Final thoughts.
It's all yours.
I got none.
Okay.
We're gilding the lily here late in the second half.
All right.
Well, Full House episode 189 was recorded, originally started on July 2nd.
It's now July 3rd, 2024.
You know where to follow us.
It's all in the show notes.
But this is what we do.
We try to give you practical information and more serious stuff in the first half.
And then we increasingly kick it in the second half with some loose commentary of what actually normal, intelligent, family-friendly white men who are not disgustingly cucked or cowardly on issues of race and culture and Jewish power think in this world.
It fills my heart with joy to think of, you know, frankly, of course, you wish that you had six million listeners every week.
Part of the reason that we don't is because of censorship, but part of the reason that we don't is because we don't do cheap stuff.
And like, you know, you know what the influencers do.
They get big names and they like talk stuff, but they don't actually get down to the root of the problem.
When you get down to the root of the problem, that's where you run into problems, both in terms of distributing content as well as life itself.
And you got to find that happy medium between not making yourself a martyr for no good reason, but also not living like a slave or a muzzled pawn of frankly an evil system.
We'll leave it at that.
We love you, fam.
We will talk to you next week.
I'm not sure what we're going to do for the next show, but we will figure it out.
And if there's one thing that's certain, Rolo will bother me about it starting tomorrow.
So for the closing of the next show, oh, God, that's the earliest time you've asked to date.
New habit, new tradition.
All right, let's go with Loretta Lynn.
Don't come home a drinking with loving on your mind.
I don't think we've ever done one from the great Loretta Lynn.
A little bit of a palate cleanser for all of us from a simpler, simpler cultural time when ladies were ladies and men were hard-drinking philanderers.
Those were the days.
We love you, fam.
We'll talk to you next week.
And Conrad's still here.
Conrad, take us out.
See you.
He gets it.
See you guys.
Well, I was born to coal miners on a hill in Butcher Holler.
We were poor, but we had love.
That's the one thing that Daddy made sure of.
He shoveled coal to make a poor man's dollar.
My daddy worked all night in the family home all day long in the field of hoeing corn.
Mommy rocked the babies at night and read the Bible by the whole old light.
And everything was dark all over come break of morn.
Daddy loved and raised their kids on a minor's pay.
Mommy scrubbed our clothes on a washboard every day.
Well, I've seen her fingers bleed to complain.
There was no need.
She'd small and mommy's understanding way in the summertime.
We didn't have shoes to wear.
But in the wintertime, we'd all get a brand new pair from a mail order catalog.
Money made from selling a hog.
Daddy always managed to get the money somewhere.
Yeah, I'm proud to be a cold miner's daughter.
I remember well the well where I drew water.
The work we done was hard.
At night, we'd sleep cause we were tall.
I never thought of ever leaving Butcher Holler.
Well, a lot of things have changed since way back then.