Our old friend, original birth panelist, and former NJP Central Committee member Michael McKevitt rejoins us for a sober and serious post-mortem of what went wrong and why, and what we do going forward. Bumper: Coming of Age by Foster the People Break: Seeing Red by Unwritten Law Close: Between the Lines by Julian Gray & Midnite Amity Go forth and multiply. Support Full Haus here or at givesendgo.com/FullHaus Subscribe to Surreal Politiks. And follow The Final Storm on Telegram and subscribe on Odysee. Censorship-free Telegram commentary: https://t.me/prowhitefam2 Telegram channel with ALL shows available for easy download: https://t.me/fullhausshows Gab.com/Fullhaus Odysee for special occasion livestreams. RSS: https://feeds.libsyn.com/275732/rss All shows since Zencast deplatforming: https://fullhaus.libsyn.com/ And of course, feel free to drop us a line with anything on your mind at fullhausshow@protonmail.com. We love ya fam, and we'll talk to you next week.
If you're listening to this, you likely came of age politically in at least some way during the rise of the alt-right and Trump's 2016 campaign.
The leftist anti-white horrors of the preceding years form the scar tissue.
The data flow from social media, 4chan, Murdoch Murdoch, and new podcasts and streamers explain the carnage.
You met up with strangers from the internet for the first time, and the prospect of an orange man on a white horse riding to the rescue proved too tantalizing for many of us to remain mute on the sidelines.
We won that battle, but that war was never winnable.
The savior turned out to be a fraud.
Our rising influence received no establishment support, but instead provoked a vicious response.
And a movement vaguely reminiscent of the anti-system stirrings in 1960s America resulted in a very 1970s style hangover.
The enemy put out the wildfire through censorship, co-opting some of our points, and oppression, but by no means extinguished it.
It's a painful thing to think you're winning, get knocked back on your heels, and then feel compelled to regroup and devise a new offensive or just quit.
Defeatism or nihilism is tempting.
Recriminations are everywhere.
And the urge for a new project under different leadership is irresistible.
And so many of us continued to struggle on, at least in the spirit of a heroic but tragic timeline from the know-nothings to southern rebels to the Klan to Lindbergh's America First to the John Birch Society to Rockwell's American Nazi Party to Pierce's National Alliance to the militia movement to the alt-right and perhaps even to include the National Justice Party,
the latest outgrowth of organized resistance that made an impact, but ultimately failed to achieve its goals.
And so here we are again, with most of us looking around and asking, what next?
This week, we welcome back one or possibly two veterans, not just of Full House, but of the very real hard work of the past several years.
And we'll see what hard lessons we can share for moving forward.
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welcome everyone to full house the world's finest show for white others aspiring ones and the whole biofam It is episode 175, and I am your scarred but unbowed host, Coach Finstock, back with another two hours of brutal honesty and stubborn optimism in the service of our people.
Before we meet the birth panel, though, sincere apologies to our pal Andreas of Nordic Frontier and our mutual audiences.
We were scheduled to do a Christmas Yule comfy transatlantic matchup this past Sunday, but it was my only day off this past week, and I did not have the heart to disappear from the family for what always ends up being three hours, and it would have been the middle of the afternoon due to the time difference.
So I apologize, and we will try to reschedule that as soon as possible.
Moving on, big thanks to Rusty, Theo, Von Kaiser, and Charles for their kind support of the show this past week.
And if you've got any scratch burning a hole in your pocket at this time of the year, that means that you must be wealthy and you can support us like those kings at givesendgo.com slash fullhouse or full-house.com and the support us tab.
After all that, let us now get on with the show.
First up, consistent with his pregame rage routine of the past few shows, he is straining at the leash to unleash a fuselage of personal invective, sordid secrets, and righteous.
revenge against all those who have wronged him or his friends over the past year or two.
Sam, welcome back.
Wow.
Make you a villain, Camel or Highwater.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, hey, that's, you know, a lot of thoughts there in that intro.
I'm interested in this discussion we're going to have important things.
But hey, look what I got on eBay.
I don't know if you can see, but back from 1979, I had this toy.
Yeah.
Space Laser Fight by Bambino.
I had this as a as a wee lad in 1979, and I didn't have it anymore for a long time, but I saw it on eBay.
And I remember when this thing came out, it was like 50 bucks, which was a lot of money back in those days.
And I'd saved up all my birthday money and bought it.
And I got it on eBay, $14.99.
And it works and everything.
And I showed my kids and they just shrugged their shoulders and they were like, you know, and I can't even play it because if you heard it there on the mic, it's really loud.
And my wife will say, that's too loud.
So I have to go like into his, yeah, I have to go into a room by myself and play it by myself.
But it's really cool.
Look at it if you can see it.
That does look cool and kitsch and retro.
And bring it into the graphic, Sam.
Looks like it's big enough.
It'll fit on your lap.
Yeah, the graphics were remarkably good for that day and age, you know.
But anyways, I was excited about that.
It's good to be here.
Glad to have you back.
We won't ask you to answer it now, but I went through all of the website comments that don't appear, but I can still read them because they get emailed to me.
And one of them was, I'm dying to know what Sam as a Catholic thinks of E. Michael Jones.
So stick that in your memory cap.
We'll get to that in the second half.
You know, polarizing figure for sure.
All right.
Next up, I formally advised him to take a chill pill before we sat down to record this episode because he's got a lot to say.
But Lord knows if he took my advice.
Rolo, welcome back, buddy.
Digest.
He didn't take his chill pill, ladies and gentlemen.
What's up, bud?
Nothing.
I'm just real excited to be here.
And I'm really looking forward to this episode.
Very good.
I like the new Final Storm intro music.
And I wanted to give you special sincere kudos for doing the work.
People who follow us on Telegram or Gab may have seen that Rolo spliced together a impressive almost hour of us talking during the break on the show when we didn't think we were going to be recorded when it wouldn't be released.
And it came out very fun and interesting, if not earth-shattering.
Thanks for doing that.
I'm happy to do it.
Yeah.
Now, tell me that wasn't the best.
And like all the future hop mic specials are just going to be like garbage, like, you know, burping.
And no, that was, that was the just the beginning.
I did not go over every single thing we had.
I literally went in chronological order.
All right.
Very good.
That's, that's awesome.
Yeah.
Because it was fun to listen back and remember, you know, where I was at the time we did that.
All right.
We got a lot to cover.
Thank you again, Rolo.
If you want to hear that special hot mic episode, of course, you can go to surrealpolitics.com, use Full House as your reference code, and then you get access to all Cantwell, all of us, but enough of that.
And finally, our special returned guest.
And I might add, he's back from just a brief hiatus from this show.
The word on the street is that his favorite rock band is a toss-up between Three Days Grace and Three Doors Down.
His favorite nursery rhyme is Three Blind Mice.
And of course, his favorite sitcom is Three's Company.
Smasher, aka Michael McEvitt, welcome back to Full House, brother.
Sorry, I had to do it.
It's good to be back.
I ran up by my wife.
I was like, is this too much?
And she wanted me to shorten it, but I just let it go.
I am so happy to have you back.
It was great to see your wife and your four beautiful kids within the past, God, I don't know what it was, a month, two months ago.
And you are calling us from the road, from your truck.
What's going on in life right here at the top, big guy?
Not much.
Just working as always, staying busy.
Good to have you back, brother.
Welcome back, big guy.
Yeah, you know, so same as always, you know, just staying busy, working on the road right now, but I'll be home very, very soon.
And, you know, just kind of keeping busy, putting holes in drywall, fixing holes in drywall.
It's been a, yeah, it's been a slow couple months for you, news-wise, and in regard to the movement.
So, yeah, just going out, earning your daily bread.
Yeah, nothing, nothing at all.
I'm smiling through the mic sincerely because when you took a break from the show, no surprise to the audience listeners in the show.
Yes, of course it was due to a dust up between me or the show and NJP, et cetera.
And we, of course, were bros about it.
And I just, I think I suggested we should probably, you know, take a little break here.
We'll always be bros, but we actually meant it.
So it was literally just like, it's not goodbye.
I'll see you later.
Yeah, you're like, let's not have a bastard stepchild show.
And I was like, I'm not going to, I've had enough.
I'm not going to, you're welcome on the show, but I'm not going to allow an ANJP showing.
Or maybe I was just thinking that.
I don't know if I told you that.
All right.
Let's see.
We got a lot to talk about.
It's an important topic, and we kind of have a tough challenge in front of ourselves here because we want to be honest, candid, serious.
We don't want to be cheap and petty and caddy, but at the same time, we don't want to pull any punches.
Mike was a champ for being willing to come back on and may or may not become a regular guest on the show again.
That's completely up to him.
The door is open.
But first things first, some nasty things have been said about you, Mike, and your family.
I heard the scuttle butt through the grapevine and didn't believe the majority of it.
I guess truth in this case is far less strange than fiction.
I didn't personally approve, but I kind of just thought, oh, those wacky kids.
So do you want to get it out of the way here?
I know you put a statement out, but anything you want to say at the top here, just to put that stuff behind us.
Yeah, I mean, I don't have much to say about that.
my you know my post on the trs forum bang is out there uh the daily rake article before it was deleted and you were banned yeah before it was deleted and i was banned uh yeah you know it's totally okay to say that like somebody is a rapist and has groomed multiple women and things like that but as soon as that person says that's not true you delete them and you bang here's my two cents you know um So,
yeah, I mean, that stuff is totally false.
Like if there was a bunch of women that were being like raped or trafficked is another thing that I saw thrown around.
Where are these women?
99% of the women in Evergreen were married.
And none of their husbands are upset that I allegedly were grooming all these women.
That was always bullshit.
Like, did one thing happen?
And like, I'm not going to have a debate about the morals of it.
Because at the end of the day, like, it happened.
Maybe it was bad judgment.
Sure.
I'm not saying that it was great judgment.
I'm not saying that like it's something that should be totally normalized, but it happened and it was completely mishandled.
And there, you know, there very obviously was not multiple women that this happened with and people aren't being groomed.
Certainly not being trafficked.
No, yeah.
Totally.
Yeah.
Go ahead, Sam.
Well, what upset me is that with a number of men and their wives, the horrible things that were said and continue to be said over these last few days, even about that.
There's a lot of things that can be smoothed over.
Somebody says something bad about me, about you.
Maybe we blow it off or we make a sharp retort about it or something like that.
But when you say things about somebody's wife, somebody, a guy's wives, that is hard to come back.
No, it is impossible to come back.
Those are fighting words and no one would tolerate that.
And I've heard that again and again.
I've heard those scuttlebutt through the months.
And then in these last few days, I've heard them repeated.
You know, last week when we talked about, hey, we should have a show like this where we kind of talk it over and stuff.
I thought it was important to get it out.
But there's been so many of these kill streams and live streams and shows going over this in such detail.
My wife has listened to a certain amount of it and, okay, I tried to give it a listen.
I could hardly stand it.
The things that were being said were so awful that it's by the time of tonight coming to the show, I was almost feeling like I hope we can put the positive discussion on this that we originally intended.
Sure, Sam.
It was Jerry Springer for White Nationalists the past three or four days.
Yeah.
And that was something that like I don't really want to contribute to.
And that's why I, you know, I stayed quiet about it because I was, you know, as far as I'm concerned, I don't want to contribute to all of this, especially public drama, let alone private drama.
And the only reason I said anything was because I saw all of these things being said about me.
And it looked, you know, at this point, obviously the gloves were off.
People were just saying whatever they want.
And I was like, well, okay, then I should say something.
I should at least give my side of it.
And even what I said was pretty minimal.
I could have made it much longer, and I chose not to because I was like, that a lot of it, it's not water under the bridge, but it's the past and nothing can be changed about it.
I'm not going to cry about things, but I'm not going to let my character be attacked as some like rapist or something, you know?
No, yep, yeah, and that's why, yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, that was just it.
Like, I, you know, I'm going to say as much as I feel like I needed to say to dispel that.
And everything else, I've kind of, you know, kept to myself.
I mean, there's been a lot of discussions about what happened and how things were run, or this, that, and the other.
And I haven't really commented on any of that.
And I don't feel the need to comment on a lot of that.
Sure.
I mean, I was of two minds about doing this in the first place.
One, because, you know, the easiest thing is, of course, you know, the old mantra, just say nothing and ignore it.
And that's also for self-interest, too, right?
Because when you wade into a shitstorm, pardon my language, you inevitably get dragged into it.
And when something's already raging, you don't need to throw fuel on the fire.
You know, choose your metaphor here, essentially.
But then, you know, when you're getting attacked and I'm getting attacked and all these people that we like and have been thrown overboard over the years, slandered, given a lot, sacrifice, money, time, risk, etc.
For not just three years of the NJP, but going back five, six, seven years, it's happened time and again.
And then everybody starts running their mouths and mutual recriminations, et cetera.
And to just ignore that and pretend it didn't happen, I think I will do that like, you know, next week or after the show, but I couldn't let it just go without adding some commentary to it.
And I promise I'm not going to try to be like a, you know, Mr. Diplomat magnanimity here.
I've got a lot to say.
I'm as angry as I am kind of embarrassed at the whole spectacle and frankly, a little bit depressed about the whole thing.
I mean, especially like, I mean, it's embarrassing for everybody, but like, I mean, shit, man.
I already swore.
That's all right.
So, so did I.
But it's a very special mind.
My name was attached to the NJP.
And like, you know, you and I, we didn't stop being friends, but we took a little hiatus because of it.
And that has happened with multiple people.
And, you know, I own up to, you know, there are people that have been hurt.
And I'm not going to say that they were doxed or anything like that.
That's not true.
I will say Tony hasn't doxed anybody that I know of.
I'm not making the claim that Tony will dox anybody.
You know, there's a lot of FUD being spread and people are upset and mad and whatever.
And I'm not trying to spread any of that.
But people have been hurt, as in cast out of social circles, had their names drug through the mud, rumors, et cetera, et cetera.
Right.
And I am implicitly connected to any of that, whether I had a hand in it or not.
And that's, you know, extremely embarrassing for me.
And I, you know, I'm willing to own up to any of it.
Anybody that has messaged me and, you know, wanted to have a conversation, I've, you know, tried to be candid and apologize for anything that I feel that they feel like I've done or said or whatever.
Like, you know, it's time for me to eat some shit if I have to eat some shit.
Yeah.
But it just kind of sucks.
Man, this, this whole thing's, I'm just, you know, this whole thing sucks, man.
This is something that I believe that I was prepared to connect, you know, myself to for the rest of my life.
And there are a lot of things along the way that I wasn't happy about or I disagreed with and whatever.
And I'm not going to sit here and go through all of them and be like, see, I'm super smart and I was super right about everything because that's entirely unfair.
Sure.
You know, that would just make me look like an asshole.
Yeah.
And so the audience knows, I mean, I told Mike before the show, you know, if there's stuff you don't want to answer or you can't answer, fine, I might ask it.
It's, you know, it's at his discretion on a professional and personal level.
The other thing, and I want to get Sam in here too, is you see, oh, this is, this is white, the arguably the worst impact or consequence of a collapse like this, an embarrassing one at that, is that everybody or way too many people wash their hands and say, screw this, amateur hour.
I'm going back to my life.
Or even some of the people inherently involved said, oh, that's white, that's white nationalist for you.
And yeah, big surprise.
White nationalists have a cadre of antisocial people, vicious, backbiting people, and also some of the greatest people that I've ever met in my entire life.
I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
The cause remains.
If you're listening to this, know that, that, hey, they tried something and it ended up going up in flames.
That doesn't mean that the cause is wrong.
And Sam is still here after God knows how many fights and blowups and failures and arrests and things like that.
Anything on that real quick, Sammy?
Go ahead, Mike.
Well, certainly there's been a lot of repetition, just like you say.
And near and dear to my heart is the skinhead thing going back to the 80s.
And in its own way, went through the same thing.
It was by the late 80s, it was getting very powerful.
And at some point into the 90s, it went through a period of decline because of infighting and organization, really, is what I would put it.
And the same thing has happened here.
The movement was not ready for the level of organization that was attempted.
Same thing with the skinheads.
They had a great thing going.
We were getting the best people.
We're having big gigs.
But the infighting caused by organization ultimately was its own undoing or at least its temporary undoing.
And same thing with this here.
You had some guys who were doing some great podcasts that people enjoyed.
They were funny.
They were entertaining.
It got a lot of good conversations going.
And then they wanted to become something else where they, I think, should have stayed with the winning hand that they had and continued to do that.
Let's look at Full House.
We're just a podcast.
That's all we're doing.
But, you know, we have had an impact on people's lives to a certain extent.
The people that like our show, they love it, listen to us.
They love us.
We love them.
You know, that's we got to stick with what is working and not be so anxious to move on to the next thing that is really not going to be supported.
High time preference comes to mind, Sam.
And I was talking about that a little later.
And whether we're like, you know, let's take on the universe right now with this with this with this plan and perhaps a little time to step back and reevaluate things.
I got a lot of thoughts on that.
Right.
And, you know, my post-mortem, in a sense, I do want to share a lot of my thoughts and my experiences with NJP because probably they're relevant to a lot of other people, but it's kind of like, you know, where things went wrong or whatever.
And of course, I was actually at the beach on a family beach vacation with Potato Smasher when he sort of let it be known that, yeah, we're forming a political party.
And I said, oh, that's great.
And honestly, I was a little bit butthurt.
Mike knows this.
I was like, what am I?
A chop liver?
I only worked in Washington for 20 years.
I got some foreign policy chops, et cetera.
However, I swallowed my pride.
I was like, all right, sounds good.
All right.
You know, helped out a little bit with that one important edit on the platform and went to the first awesome uniting event at the Charles Bowsman's Barn.
Heaven forbid.
The Russian barn.
Oh, there's so many retards out there.
I'm sorry.
Like, whenever I see Mike's a Jew and NJP is Russia found, it's like, oh my God, dude.
And then they're like, they're like, and they just keep holding events in Bowsman's Barn.
It's like, there was one event in Bausman's Barn.
We had, in the last three years, there's only been two events held in a barn.
And only one of those was in Bausman's Barn.
Not every barn is Bausman's Barn.
And we've only been in two freaking barns.
Like, come on now.
I had to go get that giant fan from our mutual friend out of storage to bring that up there.
I don't even know if we turned it on for it.
But what I'm getting at is essentially that, and you can go back and look up the little write-up that I did.
I think I said present at the creation, at least at the first event.
There was a great turnout.
Spirits were high.
Sky's the limit.
I actually was the one who started chanting Mike, Mike, Mike, as he was going up for his thing.
I was proud of that.
At the time, there was nothing but goodwill to start off.
Of course, there's always going to be naysayers and people who hate this person or that person for any reason.
It started off great.
That's something I could really want to expand on is naysayers, right?
So when we started, there were naysayers, right?
Because, and, and I think these people from the start, of course, there were like, you know, bad actors and people paid to just be, to spread FUD and whatever.
But there were people that were naysayers that were from the ranks of TRS.
And it wasn't that they thought that it was, you know, going to fail or anything like that, but it was just like they correctly identified that some mostly podcasters were trying to start this serious organization.
And so they were just kind of like, oh, I'm going to dip my toes in the water before I jump.
Skeptical.
Yeah.
Right.
I don't think that they were bad actors.
I think they were completely genuine.
And at this point, you know, they were obviously correct that there were some issues that needed to be addressed in order for the things to be successful.
For sure.
Yeah.
I knew several sharp, well-intentioned people who thought it was a bad idea from the get-go.
And I remember saying, you may well be right, but let's not, you know, abort the baby before it's even been born.
You know, give it away.
The original idea, yes, exactly.
Even people in our area had the same reaction of, oh, no, what are they going to do?
But at that point, I said, well, the idea of having calling it a political party might get you some protection for getting the message out in another way.
And I think that the original concept maybe was not such a bad idea looking at it that way.
Yeah.
And that was the intent.
You know, our intent was always to file to be a registered political party.
And the reasons that we didn't, I think, were genuine.
Maybe that's, you know, self-interested, whatever.
But I thought that they were genuine because, I mean, Coach, part of how you got doxxed was through political donations.
Sure.
Well, Neil.
So there are legitimate reasons to not register as a political party until you're ready to actually run candidates.
Now, I'm not interested in having the debate on like when's the appropriate time to run candidates because that's something that like we could argue for the next 50 years and never come to an agreement on.
Yeah, when we did that first show, it was actually you and Tony who came on and I was sincerely trying to signal boost you guys and give you a little more gas in the tank.
And I said something like, you really should run somebody for dog catcher.
Otherwise, people are going to say that this is a fraud.
You know, if you call yourself a party, you got to get chopping on the candidates.
I get it that it's risky business with the contributions and the doxes and building the infrastructure and third parties fail, you know, destined to fail.
But I think that was that was one thing when you called yourself a party and then didn't run any candidates in over three years.
The guys were like, you know, if you gave a little ammunition to the enemy.
Yep.
And there were different plans to run people for different things.
And for various reasons, they couldn't happen.
And they were, you know, basically rescheduled.
Like, when's the next time this sort of election is happening?
Do we have somebody in this area, et cetera, et cetera.
So it wasn't like we just weren't working on it.
Sure.
You know, in fairness.
Could we have done it?
Could we have said and just done it?
And whatever.
Also, that may be the case.
I think both things are true at the same time.
Because even I found out that the Butler County sheriff election was 2022.
And like, okay, I live there.
I should maybe have known that.
But I wasn't really, I wasn't plugged into, I'm not plugged into local politics like at all.
I'm plugged into like big Jew politics.
And had I paid more attention and known that the sheriff election was in 2022, I'd have run.
Absolutely.
Because I don't think I would have, I mean, would I have won?
Maybe, maybe not.
I think with the area that I live in, it would be pretty easy to win, honestly, because you just run on like an anti-drug dealer platform.
You know, you kind of take us where I live, if you run saying, hey, I'm going to take a soft spot on people that are addicts and we're going to focus on rehabilitation, not criminal charges.
But if you're caught dealing drugs, then we are going to bring the draconian hammer down on you.
People would vote for you.
That's almost a guaranteed win.
Yeah.
And I don't buy the, it was all a grift from the get-go.
You could, you could make the criticism that it wasn't serious enough or diligent enough or focused enough.
I mean, you know, at the end of the day, did it work?
No.
So that opens you up to that.
But the, I don't even want to say the extremely online people, but there's just, you know, as much as I grew to frankly kind of despise the effort and just want nothing to do with it.
I still had that compunction to like be like, no, that's not true.
That's not true.
Like, I know Mike.
He wouldn't hit me going along with some Jewish grift.
I would have bailed a long time before then.
Yeah.
That's one thing that like I don't like lying about people or things, you know, even things that I hate.
Like, and I don't hate the NJP or anything like that, right?
Like, don't get me wrong, but there's no reason to lie about the NJP.
There's no reason to lie about TRS.
There's no reason to lie about Mike or Jesse or anybody else.
You know, and in fairness, you know, there's not, you don't even need to lie about me.
Like, there's enough things that you can say, enough failures that you can point to that you don't need to lie to just basically say, like, yeah, this project needed to be over with.
You know, there's no, there's no reason to lie about any of it.
Yeah.
The only people that are lying, I think, are lying for self-interested reasons or they're getting paid to lie or something like that.
Or they were, or they were totally brainwashed.
They were in the cult-esque state of mind.
I can't, you know, I, when.
Well, then they're not lying.
Sure.
Yeah.
If they believe it, they're not lying.
Yeah, they were just bought in.
You know, people, of course, are taking victory laps saying, I told you so, I told you so, et cetera.
But that was partially a consequence of what grew to be, I'll speak for myself, you know, an extraordinary arrogance and imperiousness.
I went to the first four NJP events, the barn, a couple in PA and the one in Ohio.
And by the last one, by the fourth, I was not hostile to the NJP whatsoever, but there was a certain point where I was like, I didn't need to drive all this way to like drink beers and listen to speeches.
I could listen to the speeches on my computer.
Like, you know, it's now been however long, that was probably a year and a half or something like that.
And I just sort of said, okay, I've seen enough.
I'm just going to hang back and watch.
But that was around the point when NJP, maybe big money was coming in, maybe big numbers were coming in.
But when you guys started, I'll say you guys, don't take it personally, but you started flexing your muscles as if I, I don't know if I said on the air, but I've at least said it privately.
And I've been very candid privately, but I've been more guarded publicly, both to not create a headache for myself and two, because maybe this is going to work.
I'm not going to be the one to go out there and attack you guys.
Maybe you will pull it off and it'll be a terrific success.
But you started to go around like the popes of white nationalism, as I said, we're the only show in town.
You all come under our wing.
We are the leaders here.
And I witnessed that firsthand myself, which was pretty ironic when NJP was like, no, you guys should fold up and come under the wing.
I said, why?
You know, we're friendly to you guys.
We've helped.
I've donated.
I know a bunch of other guys are doing it.
A lot of them are enthusiastic, but you're coming around like a mob boss saying that all this territory now belongs to us.
That was, in my mind, the first real sign of trouble where I was like, what the hell are these guys on?
There's a lot there, Mike.
And I know you don't want to spill all the pasta, but, you know, and I know that your position and responsibility sort of changed over the years too.
Whatever you feel like adding on that, if you would, buddy.
Yeah, well, I mean, that was one thing that just with the man of bun.
Sure.
There was a lot of muddy water there on both sides.
I mean, you know, like the idea of Warren pointing a gun at somebody was ridiculous.
Sorry, but people believed it, right?
And that was retarded.
But people believed it because somebody that they trusted said that it happened.
Well, those are like the sort of details, but the effort was there.
And it wasn't just the bund, it was other groups, as I understand it, too, like trying to.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, like, yeah, and I'm not dismissing.
Right.
And I'm not dismissing any of that either.
I think a lot of that wasn't handled very diplomatically, we'll say.
You know, there were better ways that these things could have been handled, and they just weren't.
And that really kind of was a foreshadowing of, you know, ultimately what has led to this implosion, this most recent implosion.
Yeah.
Yeah.
First, what was it?
Greg, then, I guess, Jeff's hands, even though he wasn't formerly part of it, then Stryker, or then you, then Stryker, then the axe came for the hangman.
It was like Robespierre when Tony got the yank.
I'll say it myself.
And how about you?
You know, obviously we have spoken as buds in the past, but it sounds like as the year went on, you either got pushed aside or felt incapable or unable to do some of the things that you thought were more common sense.
Yeah, both.
I was certainly pushed aside.
I mean, most info, you know, all the information flowed through Tony.
And like, that's, that's not just me saying that as like some butthurt, whatever.
If you ask anybody, every, you know, everybody has said the same thing.
So I'm pretty comfortable saying that.
They're like, Tony controlled all the information, told everybody what to do, et cetera, et cetera.
Hell, the last event that I was at, I had to get the address for it from a supporter group director because Tony just like kept not putting it in the central council chat.
And there's nothing wrong with having a competent, you know, severe chief of staff who, you know, snaps necks and writes checks, et cetera.
But if you do it, the number frankly, it is just number one.
The number one failure of any organization is poor communication.
If you do not communicate to the rest of the organization to let them know what their duties are, their responsibilities, where they have to be, what's going on in the organization so that they can be an active participant, et cetera, et cetera, then it's not an organization.
It's not.
Well, and if you want a contrast there, back in the day, the fellow we had hoped would be on with us tonight, JO, he functioned much in that same capacity for TRS.
I remember back in the pool party days when he would coordinate things or we would hear from him, or he would even come visit us and hang out with us or tell us a few points of direction or something like that.
And how much more competent and respect, respectable he was in that role.
He was respectful and he was respected in turn.
Yeah.
And yeah, the little spoiler from Sam there, part of the chorus, Jayo was going to come on tonight and he still may in the second hour.
Smasher's going to run after the first hour.
And I'm going to check in with Jayo when we go to the second for his perspective, which goes a lot farther.
Jayo got mercilessly thrown under the bus and told to go away forever after working his ass off.
I saw it firsthand sincerely, in good faith, to be a friend to everybody, to build goodwill, which he was very good at.
And then one of the many lessons learned is, you know, you cross one person or do one thing wrong.
You're out.
You're done.
You know, nobody associated with him.
You're blacklisted.
And what people don't understand is that this is the we've always hated him a bit, right?
Yeah.
You're never any good to begin with.
Yep.
And Joe was so good at when there would be a problem or somebody got doxed or just somebody was having a problem.
He'd be on the phone or even in person.
He would be there to make sure things went the right way.
Yeah.
All the gossip about Jo and the lurid tales and the tall tales or whatever.
I always told people, look, I don't know every second of Jo's backstory, but I could tell you from extended personal experience up close that he's a damn good guy.
He was doing sincere work.
And no, he's not this demon that you're hey, we'll save that for him.
And the other thing I wanted to mention is that people forget how optional all of this stuff is.
All of our lives would be simpler, safer, more lucrative if we just went about our lives and didn't do anything other than listen to a podcast or maybe meet up with some friends for beers.
But we know that that's inadequate.
So when you make it so that people feel either threatened to be part of it or that if they dissent at a certain point or if they make one mistake and then they're out or, you know, if you're associated with this group, then you can't even come to a mass meeting.
It's a mass meeting.
I understand that you're not ready to like invite the Reds like the NSDAP did, but you'd think just to get the cover charge at the door, as long as you don't think they're an actual bad actor.
You know, the blacklisting was out of control, unfair, counterproductive.
And we were talking about this the other day.
How many good men in this cause, and there are a damn lot of them, have just ghosted or drifted to the woods or maybe stayed in touch, but don't want to touch it with a 10-foot pole because they've gotten burned or they've seen people close to them get burned and said, forget it.
It's hopeless.
Not going to do it.
And that is one of the massive capital losses, human resources losses in this whole thing.
Well, I got two things.
I want to touch on the ability to step away from all this.
I have been pretty distant the last few months just because it was like, I don't want to deal with the drama, et cetera.
And that's kind of what put me into the perspective of like, I don't really feel like I need to feed into all the drama.
You know, I'm not going to lie or try to cover anything up.
I'm going to take, you know, whatever lickings I have to take.
And, but I'm not going to lie about anything either.
And I'm just going to not talk about things that I feel like I don't really need to comment on.
Of course.
And that, like, when this all first started, I was full of piss and vinegar.
I wanted to go on, you know, meltdown, burn everything down, and whatever.
And having spent a lot of time off the internet, I'm like, you know what?
It's actually just not worth it.
Because if you delete Telegram, guess what?
This all goes away.
Yeah, I know.
You log back kicking and screaming.
He's like, my life was so tranquil, coach, until you were like, people are complimenting you.
Come back.
Yeah, if you, if you log out of Telegram, white nationalism in America disappears.
Hate to say it.
Sabbatrio.
Hate to say it because I believe in white nationalism.
I believe in the ultimate destruction of Israel and a bunch of other things.
We say Jewish power on the show, Mike, but that's okay.
Yeah.
You earned it.
Never mind.
Well, the thing is to concentrate on the real life relationships of people that you know in person locally.
When all of this was beginning to dissolve about a year ago, I spoke with a particular friend and I said, Hey, concentrate on your local network.
It sounds like you're doing great there.
We have a great thing here.
That's what we all need to work on.
Think globally, act locally.
Under promise, over-deliver.
Well, and what really I've been thinking about this a lot, you know, about governments and organizations and what the nation and state, you know, et cetera, et cetera, right?
So if famous white nationalist saying is that the nation is your extended family, so this nation spreads across the United States, you know, this theoretical nation that white nationalists claim exists.
And I'm not saying it doesn't.
I'm just saying we claim that it exists, right?
The white American ethnicity, if you will, exists.
It's valid.
We are a nation.
And it is spread across the entire United States, United States geomass.
Well, if it's your family, your family doesn't all live in one house.
Your family exists across multiple spaces and operates independently to make up your greater family/slash clan, right?
So why should we look at this any differently?
You know, we're a bunch of houses making up a neighborhood, making up a city, making up a country.
And we have to operate as such.
And that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be some sort of centralized direction keeping everybody on the right path.
But when you start to micromanage, you start to, you know, tell people how they should be doing literally everything, which I know is redundant, but you get my point.
That starts to cause problems.
You start to get into people's business that you don't really need to be involved with, and that causes problems.
Starts to sound like a cult.
Yeah.
And a lot of people have called this that.
I always poo-pooed that, Sam.
I said, stop at the cult nonsense.
Like, they're a bunch of guys trying to do their best.
I tried to extend as much goodwill and assumption of good faith for the longest time.
And then when the sycophant started to come, when things started to go south and honest, good people were starting to disagree publicly.
Of course, there's always the, you know, the sour pusses in the comments or whatever.
I said, no, I, I, yep, that now it is starting to get to sound culti.
I just finally came full circle on that.
And it was honestly a sad realization on my part because especially now you're seeing all the outrage and the hate, a lot of it justified, honestly.
But for me, it was, and that was kind of my interest to do this show was not to express the rage, but more, maybe to.
Talk about it and think about it, or even the sadness about it.
Because the thing is I, I have met all of these guys, some of them more than once, and had very nice conversations with literally every single one of these people whether uh, the exactly the NJP people, but also the?
Uh, people from TRS, like Jesse Mcnab and others and uh, you know, Tony Hoviter.
We had him on this show and I never had a personal conversation.
Yeah I, I never had a personal conversation with him, but we had him on this, this show, and he was fine, you know.
And uh, and the same same with the other guys.
I've i've had personal conversations more than once with uh uh, Mike and and Stryker used to come to the shows.
He would support the gigs and everything uh, so I it was hard for me to understand how to put all this together, you know, when i'd had all these nice conversations i'm perhaps sounding a little naive and the people who are a little bit more engaged, you might say, or more online, they they're saying, you know, they're following different incidents and things, and things said, things done.
But um, you know, it was there, were there were, i've i've known all these people.
Warren talked to all these people and it was just hard to understand that asshole Mike.
You know all these people i've met and uh, so that's.
That was kind of my takeaway, like you know, and still remains a kind of a mystery in a way.
Like you know, when i've had these nice conversations with these people, how did it turn into this?
Yeah I, you know it probably goes both ways.
They've they've viewed any dissenters or naysayers as special snowflakes, or you know not, will you know?
They just wanted, they just wanted to feel special and not actually do any work, or they had ulterior motives, or their real priority was something else.
And guess what?
Yeah, life is kind of messy.
Uh, and you know you you're some people are going to be hostile from the get-go.
Some people are going to be all aboard the train now.
Some of us with scar tissue from previous causes, we're not going to be quite so reluctant to get aboard any train going forward.
And the rest of the people are, you know, wait and see.
You know show, show me, don't tell me.
Uh, compel me to want to join you rather than trying to strong army.
You know, it was really ironic that they were like no, all of this belongs to us.
Now, when I was like didn't didn't didn't, I hear that, like David Duke and Harold coming to that same thing, like give me your mailing list, you know, give me all of your subscribers.
And TRS was like no, it was.
It was so bizarre to see that.
Come full circle.
Uh, before we get too far here Mike Uh, question from the audience.
A buddy reached out via DM before the show.
He said, what would you say or what would you suggest for the NJP rank and file, the maybe not the supporter group leaders, but you know people who were invested in some way in NJP and now are angry or confused, licking their chops, etc.
Um, I would say, don't despair.
I've been involved in white nationalism for almost a decade.
At this point, i've seen I don't even know how many organizations come and go five, I think at this point.
Um, maybe seven if you count, like the different iterations of organizations.
Uh, this is unfortunately, this is not unique.
Um, it's something that's happened and it's something that will happen again to other organizations, promising and otherwise.
Uh, you know i've always said that calling this a generational struggle is a cope.
Uh, because we should be doing everything that we can to make it easier and to to try on future generations and to try to obtain victory before those future generations have to worry about it.
But that does not mean it is a short-term struggle.
That doesn't mean that, you know, there's going to be just one organization that pops up and instantly does everything right and wins.
There could be a hundred more organizations over the next 30 years before something catches and truly achieves, you know, great victory.
So sure.
There are dozens of small startup parties in Weimar, Germany, right?
There's one for every little bespoke thing, and then eventually one took and took over.
So this is, it's not that it's a generational struggle, but it is something that takes a lot of time.
It takes a lot of effort.
It takes a lot of growth.
It takes a lot of failure.
It absolutely takes a lot of failure.
And not just as a political party, but just organizing in general.
Organizing is not easy.
Various aspects of it may be easy and different things are easier for different people.
But organizing, especially on a mass scale, is not something that's very easy.
I mean, people get paid a lot, a lot, a lot of money to do that, right?
$6,000 a month.
I said it.
You didn't.
Well, the thing is, invest in your local network.
We have many wonderful networks of people that have been set up through the years.
We have a great local crew here.
You guys know our people, and there's other great groups throughout the country.
That should be your priority, not a national organization, but invest in support in your local group, your local community.
And I agree that you should be working.
Your focus should be locally, but that doesn't mean that you should ignore what's going on nationally, right?
Because how many of us live, how many of us live within 20 minutes of each other?
No, of course.
But we're still friends.
We still have a national resource network, even though it's not necessarily anything official.
Right.
I'm confident that I could go pretty much anywhere in this country and find somebody's couch to sleep on.
And that doesn't mean nothing.
Absolutely.
That shows, I've argued with people about, you know, it gets ridiculous.
What is the value of what we're doing?
And I was arguing about, oh, look at how we help each other in this way and that.
And the guy was saying, well, well, I could get somebody in my neighborhood to help me like that.
don't need that for an organization yeah but but you know we put out a call on this show can you say the n-word with them while you're fixing your car together yeah Of course.
But we put out a freaking call for somebody's kidney and somebody contacted us.
You know, that shows the strength of our community.
Like Smasher said a moment ago, he could be anywhere in this country and make a call and say, hey, I need a place to stay.
And somebody will give him that place to stay.
Unless they were in the chairman's circle, then they might not give him his couch.
I don't want to be too lovely to be here.
We do have, you know, that shows the strength of our community right there.
And that's the thing we should be building.
Yes, locally, but and anywhere, any white nationalists across this country and across the world even.
Absolutely, Sam.
We're getting a little long in the first half, but I still got a lot.
Mike, you run whenever you got to go.
We're not going to keep you super long, but I did want to talk briefly about the other Mike, Mike Painovich.
Of course, he was the chairman.
The buck stops with him.
And I'll be perfectly candid with the audience.
I can't bring myself to hate Mike for all this.
I don't see him as a malevolent, malicious actor in this.
If anything, and maybe it's too generous, I see him as a little bit of a victim.
You know, so many of us got sort of swept up into this thing.
Mike excelled, excelled and excells at what he does best, you know, analysis and cutting things down to core motivations, causes, and consequences.
And, you know, he's kind of, he's got an unfortunate, as I would see it, codependent Siamese twin relationship with his business partner.
And he got lofted up into, he basically got compelled, you know, people were telling him, Mike, you know, you're the guy, you're the guy.
And he answered the call.
And I don't think he was genetically cut out for it.
And I just mean that, or, you know, that wasn't his wheelhouse.
His position.
Yeah.
Well, and that's, that's, I'll say that we, when we formed the NJP, like we told Mike, we were like, we want you to lead this.
Like you, you don't want to, and we know that, but we want you to do it.
Everybody wants you to do it.
And that's what everybody says, right?
You don't want somebody just seizing the mantle.
You want other people to acclaim them to it.
Yeah.
And well, I think Mike was a good pick as far as the person in charge with good sense, good, good ideology, good.
And I, Mike, in fairness, is a good decision maker.
The problem is that he is very conflict diverse.
And he said as much, you know, I'm not sure.
You know, and I would say this to his face.
You know, he is extremely conflict diverse.
And that ultimately is what caused a lot of these problems.
But I also don't hate Mike.
I feel bad for Mike.
I do believe that he is a victim more of somebody else than what you said.
But, you know, I don't hate Mike.
I still love Mike.
I wanted the last conversation.
We're going to get Mike to the beach and get him that beer.
We're going to make his dreams come true.
We can do it again.
If Mike asked me to go to the beach with him, I'd go.
Sure.
Same here.
One of the last conversations that I had with him, it was actually when he asked me to step down.
One of the last things that I said to him is that I told you that I would do anything for you, man, and I will.
So I'm stepping down.
And that was one of the hardest things that I ever had to say in my life.
He was choking up.
I was choking up.
It was pathetic.
I sat in my truck and cried for like 30 minutes.
Oh, God.
A bunch of facts.
Well, hey, that means you cared.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're at an hour.
Smasher's got to go.
I don't want to delve too much.
We can carry this over in the second half, of course, because we haven't unleashed Rolo from his pin or from his second.
And I can hop off and you guys can be as mean as you want.
No, fair enough.
A couple quick things, Smasher.
You know, I watched Warren and Emily do their sort of sort of post-mortem.
I don't think that we're digging the grave.
I think it's already there.
But the idea that the Jews beat you guys, that one had me almost fallen out of my chair.
I was like, did he, did he, did he say that?
He said that early on.
That the set, well, don't, don't, it's not a direct quote, but it was absolutely blame put on the Jews for the failure of the NJP in the context of not being able to get the message out due to censorship.
And of course, I almost fell out of my chair when I heard that.
Now, in his fairness, later on, like toward the end of the stream, I think he was a little bit more candid about perhaps the organizational or the personality problems.
But the thought occurred to me, like, maybe at one point, the feds were like, oh, what's going on with this NJP?
And all they had to do was just kick their freaking feet up on the desk and wait for you guys to implode.
You know, seen it happen before.
It'll probably happen with these guys again, which just pissed me off.
And, you know, and I'll name, I listened to the third rail post-mortem, and early on, Spectre was like, the why doesn't matter.
No, the why absolutely got damn matters so that we don't do this again and again and again, even if we're doomed Nietzschean style to eternal recurrence.
Like, can we please, you know, we need to learn some lessons from this, both in terms of personalities and management and setting expectations and treating people with respect and dignity.
I'm, you're a really great sport for coming on to do this, big guy, too, because I'm, you know, trying not to lay it on too thick here.
And it's easy for me, I'll admit, to it's easy to play Monday morning quarterback and say this was wrong, this was wrong, this was wrong.
But for people thinking about starting something new or who are running one right now, there was a goodwill squandered or goodwill wasted is a is a horrible thing.
And it's really hard to get it back.
And same goes for trust.
Yep.
Yep.
Oh, trust me, I'm in the same boat.
And that's why I'm not saying a lot of things that I feel like I could say or even things that I kind of want to say because it's like it's easy for me to do that.
And I don't want to seem self-interested in a lot of the things that I'm saying either, you know, because just because I disagreed with a lot of things over the years, if I just sit here and say, well, I disagreed with, you know, this decision, that decision, and that just is extremely self-interested and would be, I would look like an asshole because it's just saying, yep.
Right.
He's just saying the self-serving was coming hot and heavy from the two primary corners of troublemaking.
Yeah.
And it's like, I will, I don't, I would not lie about anything that I agreed or disagreed with.
But in my mind, at this point, it doesn't matter what I agreed or disagreed with because I either did or didn't do anything about it.
And so it just is what it is.
You know, I'm not, I'm not here to make myself look good or to like even craft a narrative.
I don't need to, I haven't really needed to do much.
I put out what I put out and that's been it.
And, you know, everybody else has been fighting.
And I don't feel any need to jump into that.
No, it's more credit to you.
It's embarrassing, man.
Yeah.
It's embarrassing to see people acting like this.
Chum in the water for the enemy, more discouragement for people to get involved in the future because they think, oh, God, if I if I run afoul at somebody, then I'm going to get doxed or all this, you know, gossip mongering is going to get out there.
It's, it speaks a lot about how you handle adversity.
One of my favorite George Kennan quotes: it's not what happens to a man, it's how he handles what happens to him, whether it's his fault or not.
Uh, Mike McKevitt, thank you very much for coming on for Colin from the Road.
Uh, bless wifey and your three boys, and of course, one very special daughter.
Uh, loved hanging out with you guys recently, and as you know, I uh I only hold you uh 99% responsible for the uh outcome of the NJP.
Maybe one, maybe, maybe, maybe one or two percent.
No, but and look, this is not an act for the audience or whatever.
I was like, no, Mike is my friend.
I actually, like I said to my wife the other day, I was like, you know, Mike could probably like commit some horrible thing and I'd still be as, you know, as long as it wasn't like uh, whatever.
Yeah, you know, that qualifies.
It was some horrible thing.
I was like, I'd still be friends with him, you know, but like that's what you know, people lose sight of this thing.
They get uh so self-important and absorbed.
And look, we got a bunch of stinkers in this cause.
Everybody knows it.
Every group, every cross-section of America and the world has great people.
Yeah.
Average and stinkers.
Yeah.
And that's one thing I'll say to people that are looking on and it makes them apprehensive to get involved or whatever.
Yeah.
I don't care what your hobbies and interests are, whether it's punk rock, whether it's anime, whether it's video games, whether it's Nazism or anything else.
He's just talking about us three.
Yeah, I'm just talking about the show.
But if you go and you become part of like a fandom, right?
And I hate to call this a fandom, but it's kind of like the Hitler fandom.
Little big S. You go and join the fandom.
You get involved and you start going to Comic Con or whatever else.
You are going to see the same problems that you're seeing play out here.
You're going to see that there.
You're going to see it in freaking sports fan clubs.
Yeah, it's just humanity.
Right.
And that's not to despair you.
It's just part of human nature and it's growing pains.
It's things that we are that you have to deal with and you have to figure out how to overcome.
That's right.
It's not a reason to give up.
Amen, brother.
If you give up, you'll spend the rest of eternity in hell with the Jews.
Just saying.
Well, hey, one of my most probably intelligent and he's got it.
I'll just say he's got his life together better than almost anybody I know.
We were talking about this whole thing and not to be self-serving here, but he said, coach, it's time.
I was like, don't tell time for what?
What's your idea?
You know, talking about fill in the void.
And then we got talking about the show.
He had been an avid listener.
I was like, do you still listen?
I'm just curious.
If you don't, that's fine.
And he said, honestly, I don't.
I said, all right, why not?
You know, do we suck now?
And he said, I miss Smasher and Jo.
He said, I loved Smasher and Joe on the show.
And that's one of the best guys I know.
So a little feather for your cap.
Not that you need.
Thank you.
You bet.
So hey, number one, number one rule of degeneracy.
Never somebody else's wife.
Lots of bleeping for Rolo.
Rolo, anything for Smasher before we go to the break?
I've missed you.
There you go.
I missed you too, buddy.
All right.
Maybe we'll still watch it on YouTube sometimes.
Thank you.
His gaming streams?
Yeah.
Other things.
Okay.
I don't.
I don't want to.
Don't worry about it.
All right.
Oh, good.
All right.
Oh, you guys have your special little YouTube relationship.
That's fine.
All right, guys, we're going to the break.
Mike, again, thank you so much for coming on.
You are welcome back anytime as a regular or an irregular.
I'm going to reach out to Geo to see if he is perhaps game for the second half.
If not, we didn't even get to the going forward and the ideas.
And I've got two polls of my broad trusted circle that could provide some information as to where we are and where we might be going or if this is it's all it's all hopeless and we should all just look out for our own asses as opposed to the broader cause.
All right, for the break, we are going with little classic jam.
I think this is early 2000s.
It's called Seeing Red by Unwritten Law.
Some of you will remember this one.
And we'll be right back.
Don't have much time for sympathy because it never happened to me.
You're feeling blue now.
I think you bit off more than you could choose.
And now it's time to make a choice.
And all I wanna hear is yours.
So follow the leader down.
And follow your bride and drown.
When there's no place left to go, maybe that's when you know.
Follow the leader down.
And follow your bright and drown.
When there's no place left to go.
Maybe that's when you will lose.
And foolish lies.
Oh, can't you see I try to compromise?
Cause what you say is true.
And I can see the tears in your eyes.
And what you said now can't stop the words from running through my head.
And what I do to get through to you.
But you don't redo it again.
So follow the leader down and follow your bright and drown.
When there's no place left to go, baby, that's when you'll know.
Follow the leader down.
And follow your bright and drowned.
When there's no place left to go.
Maybe that's when you'll know.
Ooh, I can fast.
I don't know what to make from all this mess.
Don't have much time for sympathy, But it never happened to me.
You feel it.
I don't know where I'll be when you come in And now it's time to make a choice.
You know I wanna hear And welcome back to Full House, episode 175.
Hope you didn't mind the early 2000s punk there from Unwritten Law And Elva, the album.
And I didn't say anything in the first half because I was so preoccupied with the topic at hand, which we are going to carry over here in the second hour.
But Merry Christmas, everyone.
Merry Christmas, one and all.
Got Yule as well to our pagan friends.
I don't know.
It's December 20th right now.
I don't know if we're going to get another one in.
Probably not before Christmas.
And again, we could have possibly had a nice show with Andreas in the spirit of the season.
But I'll tell you the truth.
I was sitting at the kitchen table trying to fix the batteries on Potato's little electric train that goes around the Christmas tree because one of the old batteries from last year had corroded.
You know what I'm talking about, Sam, when you get that sort of blue, copperish looking thing at the end.
And I had to clean the contacts in the train.
I was very proud of myself for fixing that.
And then Wifey and I went down and fixed the chicken coop roof, which was leaking.
It's ancient.
And I did at least put in the work to make that Sunday worthwhile as opposed to doing a show.
You can take it out of my paycheck next week if you like, guys.
Big thanks to Smash in the first half there.
I think that was about a good balance of candor, honesty, airing dirty laundry, being honest with the audience and not having it descend into a he said, she said finger-pointing exercise.
The Spider-Man meme with the three Spider-Men pointing at each other and various names on there was particularly poignant.
Just after the past week.
And I did resist the temptation to gloat as a once vigorous supporter, turned sort of neutral, jaded observer.
Turned, I'll keep my mouth shut, but I really don't like this project one way or another.
And when people asked me privately, I was absolutely candid with the reasons why, too, I was just not about to go public and burn the house down with my reasoning.
And as it turned out, didn't have to.
And I do feel sympathy for the people who got take, they didn't get taken for a ride.
I don't think it was flawed from conception.
But people who put thousands of dollars into this, I feel pretty ripped off right now.
Absolutely.
And then you still got bitter enders and loyalists too, right?
Who are like, no, the party, the party survives.
We will carry on.
And the reality is any organization, group like that, when you suffer a severe trauma or public dust up like this, especially the embarrassment of what's going on on the Telegram page, it's virtually impossible to come back from that.
So we go on.
But before we, you know, and I, Rolo hopefully will air all of his dirty laundry and pent up fury from the past year or two.
Absolutely.
But we got.
Hey, hey, hey, I won't have to.
It's all being recorded, baby.
Yes, please.
Just one hour of Rolo ranting during the break when he knew he was being recorded.
That's his scheme here.
It was all part of the plan.
Let's see.
We got a nice unsolicited photo of a brand new baby boy in the DMs.
And he said, let's just keep this anonymous, but she is our second baby.
We had her at home, and it was a much easier labor than our first.
She's a day old in this picture.
We're planning to have more, but need to assess how long to wait first.
Last time it was nine months between pregnancies, which was a little short.
Merry Christmas to you, everyone else on the show.
Thank you so much, buddy.
I got to give you a name.
We'll call him, I don't know, another John or something.
I feel bad.
Totally a non.
But regardless, beautiful baby.
And I actually, this is what I told him.
I said, she looks a lot like my firstborn son was when he was born.
Now, don't take that the wrong way.
You know, the babies all look sort of amorphous or whatever, but a very similar, you know, phenotype.
I'm sure she's going to turn out to be a beautiful, beautiful woman.
And if you're ready for this, I don't think I forwarded this one to Sam and Rolo, so this will be a surprise to them.
But we got a delightful email in the inbox and get a load of this one.
Mi Hermano de un otro madre.
He says, hey, coach, big Castizo fan here.
First time writing.
I just want to thank all of you for this show.
Now, I know what a mestizo is.
What's castizo?
Like a quarter Indio?
Well, no, higher cast than that.
Well, hold on.
That's not even a term used anywhere in Latin America.
That's like a made up, like a literally like a modern term that doesn't mean anything.
I suppose you could say if it had any meaning, it's let's say there are people that have been there that are white presenting, but they've been there so long that they don't have like an identity with Europe.
It's they are South American, but they are maybe white or whitish.
I was right.
I was right.
Castizo, racial category used in 18th century colonial Mexico, three quarters Spanish by descent and one quarter America Indian.
So accordingly, we are only going to read three quarters of our fine fans.
Just kidding, Migo.
All right, here we go.
I just want to thank you all for the show.
You have no idea how much it has helped me.
Political WN shows are good and all, but the constant black pills of the anti-white world, the willful ignorance of the normie con and the infighting has really taken a toll on my hopes.
And this is where I thank Full House for offering entertainment and real hope for our people.
You've helped me grow and mature as a person.
And he says, the biggest example I can remember of the dumb teenager shit I did and felt toward my parents was for them leaving Argentina and moving to Honduras.
He says, we're technically richer here, but the country's infrastructure is non-existent.
Leaving all my friends and the house I grew up in made me bitter towards my dad.
It was childish and petty, but it was your show, Fatherland and Full House, that gave me the maturity to understand the tough decisions fathers make for the good of their children.
And I just listened to the last episode where you mentioned the possible guest Jim from the fatherland.
This brought back so many memories of the old show, the good old TRS days.
Jim, Salty, Otto, Ryan, Kenny, Nick B., Steves, Nick, Nick B. Steves, Borzoi.
Thank God I saved some of those episodes.
Thank you very much.
And I don't know if that was his real name or not.
So we'll call him Juan Valdez.
No, I'm just sorry.
We'll call, yeah.
Yeah.
Jose Gutierrez.
Pablo Escobar.
Yes.
Jokes aside, thank you.
Gonzalez.
Thank you.
Thank you so much, Bud.
We sincerely appreciate that.
And we are not such fire-breathing monsters.
Oh my God, he's got a quarter Indio in him.
If you're a quarter Jew, then I definitely would have at least lopped a quarter of the message off, maybe half to be safe.
But I'm just kidding.
Thank you very much.
God bless to you in Honduras.
And whatever you do, we don't, you know, start a business down there and employ them.
Hey, stop coming this way.
You could use the help.
I want to go to Rolo, who again, just asleep at the wheel playing cards when we're talking about matters of life and death, or at least nationalist progress.
And I was only partially joking because Rolo does have extraordinarily strong feelings about this, as do I, but he tends to let it rip every once in a while.
Come on, Rolo, either impressions from the first half or your chance to have a little stem winder here.
Well, honestly, I just, I think that this was something that probably started out pure and it was just poor management.
And I'm going to be honest, I've said this to as many people that I could.
This is 100% Mike's fault.
It doesn't matter that he didn't want to be the chairman when he took that job, then he should have been responsible for all the stuff going on.
So maybe he, oh, I'm a conflict averse.
Oh, I care about internet drama.
It doesn't matter.
Is the party serious or not?
Yes.
Okay.
You have to deal with it.
No?
Okay.
Then I understand why you don't care as much.
You are the guy in charge.
And if you want to be next Hitler or you want anyone there to be next Hitler, you have to make sure that it goes according to plan.
And it's not all glamour.
There's the hard work and the difficult decisions and things like management and making tough decisions can be learned on the job too.
You can't just wash your hands and be like, well, it's not really my cup of tea.
Well, imagine if you were the manager at like an Albertsons or something.
And then someone comes up to you like, hey, we're out of toilet paper in the bathroom.
Like, I'm conflict averse.
I don't ask, ask that person.
Go have them deal with it.
Like that would never fly.
It doesn't matter.
He's not, not, not only was he the guy in charge, but he was getting paid for it.
And maybe he wasn't getting all that money.
Okay.
Maybe the chairman's circle didn't actually grant him those funds, but still money was being sent to them.
So he was responsible for an organization that was being sent money voluntarily from people, just out of their goodwill, their hopes, their beliefs, everything that they wanted it to be.
And he put a guy who looks like he's from the Star Trek mirror universe in charge of everything.
And it would have been different if that guy had a history of being like an actual organizer.
Maybe he was in the military, like he commanded a platoon or something.
Or maybe instead of being a waiter, he was like a manager for like a big restaurant, like the Ritz Carlton or something where, okay, like, oh, I can see why we're, but no, they just put this guy who invited a journalist from the New York Times to live with him for a week.
Oh, that's a good idea.
Let's put this person in charge of making important decisions.
And instead of just peeking my head in every now and then to see if everything's going fine, I'm just going to not.
That sounds like a good idea.
And when I do, I'll be insulting or dismissive or snarky or just yeah, how to make enemies and lose friends or lose friends and not influence people.
Yeah, because you have to know that people are leaving your groups.
Like, how do you not know?
And everybody knows what's going on.
Like, it's, it's your head can't be buried that far in the sand.
Yeah, they could have said, I'm in over my head.
You know, I'm stepping down.
He could have, but from what it sounds like, is he was even so far detached from that notion.
Yeah.
Like just he wasn't even in over his head.
He didn't know that he was in over his head because he didn't care to know that he was in over his head.
Assuming he's only totally telling the truth, too, because it's hard to believe that you could be with us.
I don't believe for a second that he was as ignorant as he claimed to be.
Maybe he was ignorant on some things, but there is no way that unless he was a complete shut-in and the only interactions he ever had was the Mike and Warren report, strike and Mike, and Tedious.
And other than that, he had no contact with any human beings.
He had to have heard from someone, hey, Mike, you know, a lot of people are leaving the pool parties.
Hey, Mike, a lot of former friends of yours are speaking ill because they've been blacklisted and they've been thrown out of pool parties.
There's no way that didn't happen.
Maybe he's not going in Telegram chats and watching people shit posts, but there is no way people aren't telling him.
Like, oh, I'm at the NJP event.
Oh, there's Mike.
I got to tell him because this is something that I think this is really important because people are sending the money out of their goodwill.
Well, they would probably want to tell him, hey, this is a thing that's going on out of their goodwill.
You have to assume this.
Well, he heard it from my own mouth.
I told him face-to-face, he was making a problem where there wasn't a problem previously, and that this was a bad decision.
It was just like, okay.
I mean, well, that, well, that was years ago.
Well, that was years ago.
I'm talking about the last year, six months, when like everything was falling apart.
There were so many times when they could have just, they could have stopped the bleeding.
But all Mike needed to do was come in and just say, okay, I need to handle this.
But instead, he said, Tony, handle it.
He said, guy who's causing all the problems, handle it.
It's like the Obama putting Eric Holder in charge of investigating Eric Holder for Fast and Furious.
Oh, found nothing was wrong.
Case close.
Oh, there you go.
Not a single scandal on my track record.
It's that level of retarded.
Well, the leader has the final reckoning, and you cannot point fingers at anybody else.
And that's what was so upsetting to listen to some of these things I did over the weekend was the finger pointing and this happened and everything else.
The million dollar question, fam, is all right.
Another wreckage in the rearview mirror with some scar tissue, more scar tissue, and some embarrassment.
What now?
And oh, before we do that, though, real quick, and one other thing that's not too much of inside baseball, but several of those guys were in my chat for a long time, for a short time, etc., and inevitably got offended, angry, and offensive at pushback at different opinions, whether it was conservatism, COVID.
All those guys were in the full house chat at some point.
I mean, every single one of them.
At some point, at some point or another.
And look, there's guys in there who I'm like, well, yeah, I don't really agree with you on this or whatever.
And I always told them, I was like, guys, don't get angry.
This is free market research, right?
I mean, people are going to disagree with you.
You are not actually the oracles of the absolute correct take on every single thing.
I think that was another big part that, you know, my way or the highway.
I'm right.
You're wrong.
And then you had, you know, Sven over there fanning the flames on TDS and given more ammunition.
And remember, there was a time when our pal humbly said, I don't really think it's a good idea to have a political, ostensible political party tied so closely to an edgy podcast.
Oh, you're, oh, that's, you know, Nazis.
Well, you're sour grapes.
Oh, what's this sneak whispering and stuff?
Well, I specifically remember when that was happening.
I was in the chat watching that happen.
A lot of heat conversations over the past three years that have all come home to roost.
And I'm not happy about it.
I'm actually not happy about it.
I really wish those guys could have kept it together, kept a much bigger tent, even if people didn't want to donate or didn't want to go out and do activism.
Come to the party, pay at the door, say hello.
Maybe you'll want to get involved more in the future.
Incentivize them as opposed to trying to shake them down or threaten them this or that or you're out.
And of course, we know what happens to people when they're out.
Jayo is not available to join us for the second half, but he did promise me he's going to come on.
It's just a bad night.
So we will get him on in the future.
Looking forward, though, I did two polls of the Internal Brain Trust, significant number of people who I like and respect and trust.
Most of them at least.
Just kidding.
And I'll do the most recent one first.
But what I'm getting at here is I ask the question, is America salvageable in its current form?
In other words, the geographic territory and the rough system of government, not some revolution that comes in and changes everything.
But can this country be fixed insofar as to become a safe, wholesome, remain white majority?
Doesn't have to be the perfect ethno-state with national socialism or whatever.
But can this place be fixed?
40% said yes, don't despair.
60% said no, it is too far gone.
I was among the 60%.
I don't remember if Sam or Rolo weighed in on that one.
I did.
And you said, yes, it is, right?
Yep.
I was in the 40%.
You were in the 40%.
Yes.
It can be salvaged.
Don't despair.
That, no, not going to make a point.
Before anyone sends the hate and bail, I have a very specific reason because it wasn't.
And can it?
Not can we vote our way out of this or something?
Sure.
Right.
Yeah.
And The reason I ask that question is several people have either over the years or especially now with this all going on said, so coach, what are you going to do?
Are you going to make a move here?
And I've got multiple reasons to not, but I said, if I were to, the first thing I would want to, what can we do that is worth our time, effective, not likely to fail where all of the other ones were.
And in my, you know, we all want the, I suspect that our ideal scenario would be the unassailable, virtuous, brave, ruthless leader who unites us all and leads us to at least a victory, if not the ultimate victory or whatever.
But I don't think there's, I mean, Roman emperors, some of the greatest Roman emperors couldn't keep that empire together.
And I said that to my buddy.
I said, maybe our time preference is just way off here and we think that we can do things or we're self-important.
You know, we can make a difference here.
Obviously, we make a little bit of a difference on this show, but it's not earth-shattering.
It's not going to save the white race, but it will result in more white children.
You know, should we set our sights on something as grandiose as that?
Or is that impossible that we are living in the collapse, a new collapse of Rome?
It can't be stopped.
Some things cannot be helped, even if that perfect hero came around, in which case we need to orient our objectives, our efforts, et cetera, smaller, more locally, and a little bit more humble in the face of what we're facing.
And I certainly was in the this place is too far gone.
It cannot be saved.
Rolo, Sam, chew on that for a little bit or Rolo, at least explain yourself and your foolish optimism.
Well, Rome collapsed, but Italy's still there.
I mean, it's getting wrecked right now by brown people.
I actually think it can get so bad that the people that are steering the ship can lose all control and nature will have a way of kind of correcting things.
Because I think if you remove whites from a society, then you just have anarchy.
And if you remove whites from society, then there's going to be no one to police it.
So I think enough blacks and Mexicans will kill themselves.
I don't mean like by suicide, but I mean via homicide, like gang wars will happen.
The collateral damage will be the other browns.
I was actually thinking about this as a story, like a movie or a book called like A Day Without a White Man, where Jews win and they wake up to an America where there are no more white people and they have to deal with all their creature comforts and everything that they've gotten used to that whites have given them being ran by Shibuns and Squatemalans.
And now the jihadi Muslims are running around because there's no one to stop them.
And if white people just bow out and just do all the things that they've been doing for the last few years, like prepping and having skills and growing their own food and all these things.
And if it all collapses, they're going to be the only ones that will be able to save themselves.
That's sort of the white racialist John Galt scenario.
Yeah.
Leave it all to crumble and build a new.
Yeah, because that's where I think everything is headed.
Don't think it's going to collapse.
And then just oh, all the white people are dead, game over.
Um, United States is now Africa, I.
I think, if it all collapses, white people will be the only people with agency to stick around like, maybe some East Asians will be competent enough to, you know, preserve themselves, but for the most part all all, all the urbanites, all the blacks, all the Squatemullens, they're not going to know what to do.
They're all just sucking on the, the white man's teeth.
And if, if that's the case then uh, white people are not going to be helping them anymore because it's going to be everyone for themselves.
And white people enough of them will probably realize that the only people that will help them are whites.
Like it's, like this is, this will become jewel, will become white Jews essentially yeah, extremely tribal.
Yeah, they'll be.
There'll be no more Dei and there'll be no hr to to come get you.
If if uh, if you, you do anything pro-white or anti other races, so they the, it'll all kind of click together.
So that's where I see, like it, it's salvageable no it's, but we, we can't, we can't.
Just, you know, vote the next guy in office or um the, the Montana militia can't storm the Pennsylvania Avenue or whatever.
1920s yeah yeah pick, pick your goofy scenario.
It's not gonna happen.
You made a good point about uh, you know, Italy exists even if Rome collapsed.
And that's what my when I said that you know maybe, maybe we need to ride out this slow collapse or this storm, and he said yeah, but this is not, that's what collapses.
But but he said, this is not just the collapse of a civilization.
This is a deliberate slow running, racial genocide.
If we, if we lose lose, they're just going to finish us off, because that's manifestly what the agenda is.
This is not like they'll just let us be, you know, hanging out in our hollers and raising potatoes and and cattle.
They want us.
Well I, but maybe that's I.
I think they want to milk us.
I think no no no, they don't want to milk us.
They're not that smart.
What I think is happening is the, the genocide and the collapse are unintentionally overlapping, like what they want is the genocide, what they don't want is the collapse.
What they want is the genocide and they're gonna get the.
They're, they're getting both, and that that's why um they're, they're rolling back a lot of Dei stuff because, as the genocide is progressing and they're bringing in more Browns.
Everything that Jews need for their their lives of luxury is falling apart.
Sam, you are not a spring chicken uh, but you're not tiptoeing toward the grave either.
Are you getting?
Are you getting antsy or impatient, or are you more or less?
Would you be content if, on the day that you go to meet St. Peter, that all that you had accomplished was a small?
Well, small, large is relative, of course, but a great local network of productive, happy families working together to advance themselves.
Yeah, well, that's the thing we can do right now.
And that's the thing we are doing.
Sure, you might say this little show we have is, you know, how much effect does it have in the whole world?
Yeah, well, but we're doing the thing we can do.
And I would say that we have achieved some modest success.
This is what we can do now.
And in regard to your poll question, if you sprung that on me and said, give me an answer right now, here's the question.
I'd probably agree with your answer, Coach.
But if I thought about it for a while, I think I think that I agree with Rolo in the sense that, sure, we can save this thing.
We absolutely could save it.
It's all in our heads.
It's all mental.
The day that white people decide to do it, we will do it.
So, you know, that's where it is.
And I think we do have to ride this thing out.
You know, there's a lot of not just how does it look on the big stage, but there's what does it mean in your own life?
You know, and we were chit-chatting on a few episodes ago, just me and you, Coach.
And I think that the real value of this thing is the exhilaration of understanding what's really going on and to know in a spiritual sense, the importance of being white and of white culture and white life, if you will, that there's absolutely something you get out of this right now by being in this movement.
And it could be expressed in so many ways, like cultural things of art, music, architecture, whatever, community life, things like that.
And I think that's what we can aim at.
Whether you're living in good times or bad times, a person can lead, shall I say, a holy life, and a life that is important on a certain level.
Amen, Sammy, baby.
Yeah.
And to be honest, several people, it's not a ton, are in some ways expecting or looking for me to do more, either because they like my judgment or what have you.
And I may or may not be able to or the guy to rise to the occasion.
God, you know, people think that someone would do a good job and they don't all the time.
But that got me thinking.
Go ahead, Sam, before I continue.
I'm sorry to interrupt you.
Well, and I think that that's what we're doing is we're making a community, you know, and the community is something that will give rise to some future thing, near future, far future, who knows, that will be the turning point.
Honest to God, you know, we are like nobodies.
We're just some guys doing a podcast, you know.
I mean, not to say that this is not without worth, but when things get really severe and when a turning point is really being approached, it will be, let's say, the chief of police in a major city that takes the law in his own hands.
It will be some general or, you know what I'm saying?
Like imagine a third world that is approaching some kind of coup d'etat or something.
You know, it's the people who have actual power.
That means guns.
That means decision making.
That means commanding people.
Those will be the people.
Yeah, those will be the people who can really make a big, the big difference that you are talking about.
You know, we are, you know, I hope we don't get like the NJP people some kind of sense of self-importance.
Delusions of grandeur.
Yeah, we're little guys, but when it does, maybe we could provide the bedrock that out of which somebody who is in a real position of power can decide to make decisions.
And then the outcome of those decisions, they know they have a community that's ready and willing to be part of that, something like that.
You know, I think the thing that we have to keep in mind or have as our goal, I was just talking to Hammer.
I was at a gig with Hammer and we were talking about this.
Let's just make it so next year at this same time, we're all still like friends talking to each other and doing this thing together, right?
Because there's such upheaval and so much turmoil and this and that.
Let's focus on just having a thing that is surviving at this point.
Yeah, relatively drama-free.
I hope the big guy's doing well.
Of course, you know, we're talking about like staying friends and not throwing people under the bus.
And when he did his perhaps ill-considered plan to go to Ukraine and act as a international Nazi mercenary recruiter to go Russians, that really rubbed me the wrong way.
I still like Hammer.
I'm not throwing him under the bus, but that was like, that's where I get off the hammer time.
No hammer time here, Bill.
I don't know that that's in the cards.
I don't think anymore.
Quite a bit.
And that was not talked about at all.
I think he's a great guy.
I think his heart's in the right place.
I did.
And, you know, and that's what we talked about.
Like, let's just, you know, if we were by some magic wand took over anything today, we couldn't run anything.
We couldn't fill any position anywhere.
You know, we couldn't make sure that the garbage was picked up on time.
You know, not with that attitude, Sam.
Come on.
Give people a little bit of credit.
People would be saying, put the Jews back in charge, you know.
So, so we got, you know, the thing we can do is to make this thing solid.
And next year, this same time, we're still here.
We're all friends.
We're doing this thing.
And then the conditions will drive the big changes that we dream about.
Like I said, people with real power that are chief of police, some kind of general in the military, I don't know, whoever.
Those people will make decisions that will really change things.
But what we are doing now is setting the stage that there's an ethic, this white nationalism, and we're together, you know, and we're fostering people to have families and we support each other in our local groups.
But Sam, I want a hero to come along on a white horse and fix things instantly, ask us for help and for it all to be quick and easy.
When we have this type of community that somebody could rely upon and arise out of, maybe something, maybe somebody like that will be coming.
Well, and it got me thinking.
I said, all right, so this thing is tragically, mostly tragically melting down.
Maybe it had to happen and it was good that it happened.
I don't know.
I said, what would you commit yourself to or be willing?
Whatever.
What would you be interested in actually dedicating yourself to 2024, next year?
And I tried to cover the waterfront of things that either were going on or were in the realm of the near-term possible.
And unfortunately, auto-delete killed it, but I remember it pretty well.
And one of them was active.
And this is just what would you, you know, putting everybody on the spot, the Brain Trust, putting you on the spot, what would you commit to working toward in 2024?
And one of them was activism, either a new activism group or an existing one.
Patriot Front, take your pick.
There was simply focusing on homesteading and prepping.
You know, maybe building local connections, being the guy who sells beef, et cetera.
If you want to stock self-defense items and, you know, really harden yourself, gold and all that stuff.
Another one was informal social networking.
Things are obviously that is always going on, but I just wouldn't want to commit to meeting like-minded people and, you know, getting the families together, et cetera, having a good time making friendships.
And then one step up from that was something more formal, a group or an organization, whatever you want to call it, where there are rules, positions, tasks, things to do, stuff like that.
And then the other one was a new political party.
And then, of course, another one was politics, either local or national politics.
Just commit yourself to actually getting involved in the system as it is.
And yes, that would probably mean trying to go in as a Republican.
The results I don't have handy, but I remember them damn well.
New political party, zero.
The two top vote getters were both of the networking options, the informal social network and the more formal with roles and responsibilities.
And after that was activism was close and then the sort of buckle down for the coming storm.
So that's at least where our people's minds are, that they are still in the game to build those bonds, make friendships, work together, whether it's just getting together and helping each other informally or building something or joining something with the structure.
Take it.
Well, there was two options you didn't even include in there, which would have got my vote, which is number one, go to Sybaris Romantic Getaway.
And then the other one is go see Wellington Arms at a gig.
Did I miss it?
Was it a Wellington Arms gig, Sam, where you saw Dummer and everybody?
Yes.
My invitation must have been close in the mail.
There's no way I made it.
I thought you were going to say the Wellington Arms gigs was at Sybaris.
I'm like, wow, that's a killer.
Yeah, you have more new white life from that one show than all the full house episodes put together.
Yeah, to the audience, look, think about this stuff.
There's some happy medium between grandiosity.
Now we're going to take over the galaxy and this is all hopeless.
I'm going to completely check out and screw away nationalism and all these backstabbers and gossip mongers and incompetent income poops.
Don't know what to tell you.
But don't give up.
Please don't, because there are tens of thousands of people who are not giving up, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions around the world who are not giving up.
And we need everybody.
And of course, when in doubt, have another kid or redouble your efforts to find that keep winning lady.
Moving on.
I don't have too much here and we're already at, damn, almost 40 minutes.
Sam, anything in your stack?
I got a couple of things here, but we want to go to you first.
I didn't have anything.
No.
All right.
Very good.
Rolo, anything bugging you?
Nothing.
More than usual.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I knew that's what you meant.
Very good.
Then I am going to throw out to the audience my knee conundrum.
This is not a selfish topic.
I think this is relevant for a ton of people.
It's that it grows, right?
My, no, my knee doesn't grow.
I was very embarrassed.
I didn't get that haiku dad joke.
But as listeners, loyal listeners to the show will know about a year ago.
Oh, E. Michael Jones.
Thank you, Sam.
I had it in the notes on the first page.
But my knee conundrum last January, muddy, cloudy, but not cold day, just kicking the soccer ball around with Junior.
And I felt that pop, but it wasn't nearly as tragic or catastrophic as previous ACL tears.
I did get an MRI confirmed it was torn.
Thanks to Rolo and his MSM recommendation, glucosamine and MSM.
I'm more or less able to function normally.
I don't have a limp.
I can jog with a little bit of discomfort.
You know, there's a torn meniscus in there too.
And I can even ski if I'm really careful.
I can feel that it's unstable.
It's probably pretty stupid, but I've never actually, all the things I've torn my ACLs with, it's never been skiing.
I've never injured myself skiing.
Long story short, I am faced with a difficult decision.
Do I get the ACL repair, which I have a window of opportunity to do this coming year with a little bit of time off saved up that I didn't have earlier in the year?
Or do I just go about my life with a imperfect but more or less functional knee?
You know, I can't really play.
I can't play basketball.
Shouldn't play tennis.
I can maybe kick a soccer ball around a little bit.
So I'm half hobbled, but I'm still functional.
I'm 42 years old.
And the other factor is that insurance will cover it.
The recovery is kind of painful and long, but it's nothing I've been through before.
So I put that, I put another poll, really crowdsourcing the wisdom of numbers or the wisdom of crowds here.
And 80% of the brain trust said, get the surgery.
However, invasive surgeries, if you can avoid them, it's generally a good idea.
The stuff that goes on in hospitals, the risks of complication, the time, I'm not a spring chicken anymore.
And the surgery is not like guaranteed or anything like that.
Oh, sure.
I mean, it's not like, oh, you go get this thing and then you're perfect.
That's not the case.
Nope.
Yeah.
It would probably be an improvement, but it's not guaranteed.
And he wants to take it from my hamstring.
In the past, I've gotten cadaver ACLs, which is a less intrusive surgery.
Cadaver, meaning I got some old dead guy's ACL, maybe a young dead guy.
But he said that if you take from the hamstring, sure, it's a more involved surgery, but that will last a lot longer.
So I'm thinking, man, you know, it's really a question of suffer now and enjoy later or sort of waddle through with a constant sort of toothache, essentially, of the knee.
I'm leaning towards getting it done, but I'm by no means 100%.
But 80% of people, I don't know why I'm talking about this on the show.
I just thought maybe it was relevant for people out there who have medical issues and are debate.
You know, that's a pretty regular thing for people as they get older, you know, the serious intervention versus trying to live with it, for example.
Sam, for example, the medical professionals wanted to give him a penis reduction surgery.
Just make it through life, you know, with that thing hanging down.
That's what I sorry.
That's what I got going for me.
Everybody's got to be good at something, Sam.
That's right.
You got that swang.
Okay, that does remind me of something that happened to me recently.
Go ahead, Rolo.
So I donated blood recently and I took a screenshot of one thing that it said, like when I got this email for it and it said race matters.
And then there was a little thing under it.
It said, like, be sure to check your race because some people have ailments that are specific to race.
So you could be helping save lives.
It was basically saying, say what you are because race, like blood doesn't mix.
But biological realities is cutting through the American Red Cross typical propaganda.
Race matters.
And that's it.
Well, yeah, and that's a new thing.
But that was just an interesting thing.
But the thing that was actually that I wanted to talk about, it was the person who was taking my blood.
I don't know how to describe her other than like she is a midgets equivalent of like a Stacy Dash.
I'm interested.
The midget part really makes it.
Was she actually a midget or just a short Stacey Dash?
Because that sounds.
No, she was white.
She was white, but she, but she didn't, because midgets all have that kind of like Down syndrome type face where they all look the same.
Where she was, she was mostly midget shaped, but she was probably about four foot six.
She was actually good looking.
But after she took my blood, she said, don't lift anything heavy for 24 hours.
And I went, and then I just stopped.
I almost said, so I should pee sitting down.
Boy, I'm telling you.
Being born a midget, I mean, you have a guaranteed career for the rest of your life in movies.
I mean, right?
That's a so much.
In midget tossing, you could always get that.
Yeah, but I don't know.
I mean, there's only one Peter Dinklage in so many people.
There are no midgets.
There are no midgets that are unemployed.
Wow.
Sam, really putting out on a limb here.
I'm going to go find some unemployed midgets tomorrow.
Real ugly ones.
No chance to make it in Hollywood.
There's no midgets that are struggling to find a job.
No.
I mean, if anyone's thinking of having children, if there's something you could do, think about having a midget.
Yeah.
Just consider it.
If you want to have a child, think about having a midget, okay?
Tell your doctor.
Doctor, I'd like a midget because, you know, he'll take care of me financially when I'm older.
I just have a little servant around the house.
You know, he's not a slave.
He's just my little biological servant.
My man servant, Claude.
He brings me my coffee in the morning.
It's terrible.
Sorry.
All right.
But she was a very odd-looking person because she had a normal girl's face.
And then she was a midget shaped because midgets all have that shape, but she was like four foot seven.
And most midgets are like, you know, three foot nine or something.
Yeah, she's like a big midget.
Yeah, she's a giant midget.
Giant midget, giant shrimp.
Oxymoron.
No, I stopped myself.
I mean, I was chatting her up, but I was really embarrassed that I always made a big penis joke to a midget who is could you ask her out on a date?
Well, okay.
Well, here's the thing.
And this is just some advice to the baby might be a midget.
Well, a 50% chance, but luckily I'm tall.
But to all the guys out there, don't turn your game off.
Chat with every woman you can.
Just because you will always need the practice.
Sure, yeah.
Just always do it.
And if they're really ugly, you'll make them, you'll give them a little thrill on their life too, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Girls like to be spoken to politely by charming young men, too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And as far as that ACL or whatever you called it, coach, that surgery.
What do you think, Sam?
Maybe you should hit up Mike Beth.
Give him, maybe he can give you some tissue.
No, Hold on.
No, no, no, no.
I thought he was saying Mike was going to die soon and I could get his ACL.
No, no, hold on, guys.
Take a little bit out.
Just take a little bit out.
No, what are we doing?
Let's take it from the guy who didn't give Mike the kidney.
Like he's still got.
What are we doing?
Robert.
Yeah, Robert.
Yo, keep your kid.
He's got two kidneys.
He's got a liver.
He's got a heart.
He's got ACL.
That's my mic in your knee.
Very good.
Rolo, did you donate just to be a good person or do you wanted to get HIV tested through the back door by the donation process?
Both.
No, no.
It's good for you to donate blood because it forces your body to.
Yeah, you don't want to do it daily.
You know, you want to do it every few months, but it forces your body to replenish with fresh blood because your blood will oxidize.
And that's why women are less likely to have heart attacks than men.
Yes.
The thing about that, yeah, because men, especially American men with our meat consumption, tend to have perhaps higher iron levels.
I looked into this a long time ago.
I used to be a regular blood donor.
Then it was the black phlebotomist at the DC American Red Cross that I stopped going because they were poking me too many times in the arm.
And then I started going again now that I live in rural, white, glorious Appalachia.
But the funny thing is, now the Red Cross is so fancy with their app and stuff.
They show you where your blood goes.
They tell you at the end where which hospital gets it.
So I was two times ago, it went to some rural hospital in Pennsylvania.
I was like, all right, good.
That probably did some good.
And then the other time it went to one in like Newport News or Norfolk, Virginia.
And I knew a guy who lived down there.
I was like, he's like, oh, yeah, that one went to a gang bank.
Well, I did want to chime in on this thing of like the blood donation or organs and things.
I have a dear friend that worked in the organ bank.
And it is a fact that you cannot transplant the bigger organs between races.
That I don't know if you guys realize that, but that was something that I suspected, but certainly true.
But even with the blood and things like that.
And I remember seeing an advertisement some years ago.
I saved it for a while.
I had a little catalog of things, but it was targeted to blacks saying, you know, hey, be a donor.
Make sure you sign your donor card, organ donor card, or donate blood, things like that.
And the implication was that blacks don't because they're selfish, right?
They don't donate their organs.
And so the blacks are hurt the most because you cannot transplant organs and blacks are the least likely to donate anything, right?
Yep.
So.
Yep.
Grim realities.
All right.
Sam, your opinion on E. Michael Jones, and then we'll land this puppy.
Yeah.
You know, he says a lot of good things.
He's a little bit, when you listen to him, like his ideas are kind of old.
He's an old guy with old ideas.
He does say good things, but ultimately he is not drilling down to the problem that race is real.
It's, you know, these Jews or other races, they just have a fundamentally different nature than we have.
And you might be tempted to start following him, or maybe Catholic guys might be tempted to start following him.
But ultimately, there's missing this thing that he's not going to going to give you the racial reality.
And I was just talking with somebody.
He's not just give it to you.
He'll give you the wrong one too.
Right.
Yeah.
He'll give you the wrong one.
And I was just out to dinner with a friend last week.
We were talking about this very thing.
And it's just like any, you know, I come on here.
I talk about Catholic things sometimes.
And I do practice the Catholic faith.
I love going to Mass.
I've served Mass.
You know, my family, we actively go.
We go to frequent confession.
We go to holy days, the whole thing, you know.
But you cannot follow that religion or any religion today just as though it's some sort of final authority because all of these so-called Christian religions teach race mixing.
Now a lot of them are even approving of homosexual marriage or blessings, so-called homosexual relationships.
About the Pope doing that recently.
Yep.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So you cannot follow.
That's the problem I have with people that they say, oh, I'm Lutheran or I'm Catholic or I'm Orthodox or something like that.
That's fine if you can go into those things and find the good things in there that help you to lead a better life and that enlighten your mind.
But to follow those things just as though it's some sort of authority that you're just going to surrender your will to, that is not the right way to go.
There are good things in there, but all the major religions have been leavened by the Jew for a long time, long time.
And they fought like hell to get this interracial marriage thing accepted.
It probably took 40 years for that, for the laws to be changed, Supreme Court decisions to be made, and break down the people's resistance to it.
And probably a lot of people resist even to this day of that thing.
But this gay thing, this is being ushered in even faster and harder.
And in five years from now, I think a lot of these people that adhere to, they claim some kind of denomination.
They'll accept the gay thing just like they accepted the interracial marriage.
They will accept the gay marriage.
And eventually it will be just a thing of, well, yeah, you know, I don't really exactly agree with that, but you know, that's what the church does.
And they will all accept it.
I guarantee you.
Yep.
I think, yeah, he's excellent.
If not already.
Yeah.
He's excellent on Jews in particular, for sure.
I haven't read any of his books, but I've heard wonderful things about some of his books.
A little squirrel who had personal history with him told me that he was a real a-hole.
And yeah, his denial of racial realities and certainly seems to be an excessive apologetic, you know, just he's he's a company man for Catholicism, almost to the point of being unquestioning to the point where, you know, Pope Francis clearly was tiptoeing toward papal sanctification of gay marriage with whatever sort of worm-worded declaration he made.
And, you know, he was like, well, he's blessing the sinners, not the sin, or he's blessing the something like that.
Oh, that's such a joke because if I was some kind of prominent guy, if I was some kind of prominent Catholic or something like that, and they got wind of the way I believe or things I talk about, I would be thrown out so fast.
You know, there'd be no question about that.
There's no question about what their aims are.
It's just the same continuation of what we've already seen.
Like I said, since the 50s, they're trying to get interracial marriage and they got it and they put it in.
Took a lot of work to break it down.
And now it's gay marriage.
And all the people that are talking such a big game, oh, yeah, we'll never accept that.
You will.
You will.
Don't worry.
Yep, it reminded me of, go ahead, Rol.
He doesn't just deny race.
He pretty much says that race was invented by Jews.
Yeah, right.
Like the concept of white was invented by Jews.
The Irish.
Yeah, the Irish aren't white.
And of course, the absolute whopper that, you know, if the Kenyans had, this is almost a verbatim quote, if Christianity had arrived to Kenya, you know, at the same time it did Europe, then they'd be on the same level as Europe, which is just retarding.
Guess what?
Guess what?
There were Christian missionaries in Africa and they didn't.
They ate them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Blacks in America can't speak English.
Like, why do you think you could teach them something complex like theology?
Right.
When somebody's that batshit wrong or dishonest about something, then it really throws their entire judgment into question.
Yeah.
Even if, you know, Millennium Woes had some, you know, meme or whatever.
It's like millennial.
Millennium Woes.
Millennium Woes kind of sound cooler.
But anyway, you know, it's Derek Vineyard looking up whenever E. Michael Jones talks about something other than Jews.
You know, just the angry glare in his eyes.
I thought that was good.
Yeah.
I want to read one or more of his books.
And it also reminded me of a pal who asked me about Matthew Raphael Johnson, the Orthodox pro-Russian guy.
Radio Albion.
Yep.
He's on that.
And I think he, maybe he was on Pete Kiñonez or some, or maybe Tim Kelly.
Both of those are great shows, by the way, Pete Kiñonez and Tim Kelly.
I don't love all their shows.
Sometimes they're snoozers.
Sometimes they're outstanding, which could be said about any podcast, of course.
Except this one.
Exactly.
Never a snoozer here.
Sometimes they're better than others.
But regardless, I said I agree with him on most of the things that he was saying.
And this was in the context of Russia.
And it's wherewithal against sanctions and what they're trying to do in Ukraine.
But I said I just take it with a minor grain of salt because he is clearly a company man when it comes to orthodox Christianity and Russia.
I have no idea if he's getting paid by them.
That's clearly his bread and butter.
He is an expert, but he has a vested interest in presenting Russia in the most positive light.
I tend to present Russia in a positive light, but I don't have a vested interest whatsoever in Russia.
At one point I owned some Russian stocks and then uh, the American Security Exchange Commission just thunderstruck them down to zero.
That nope you you, you can't own Russian stocks anymore.
It's like okay, whatever they're.
Just in my Ira it was some broad-based dtf.
So yeah, take you all.
You always have to consider the source and wonder what someone's agenda is.
We all have agendas of one type or another.
Obviously ours on this show is the fate of the white race, not to be all grandiose about it, but when you get into the weeds, that's when you do sort of start to wonder.
You know, does E Michael Jones care more about the Catholic church than he does the white race?
I think the answer is probably, yes.
Does Matthew Raphael Johnson care more about Russia perhaps, than the White Race?
I don't know.
Maybe uh, but I certainly got that, that sense of clientitis from him.
That's an old State Department term, when you've spent too much time in country and you start to identify with your host country and culture, perhaps to cloud your judgment.
Just a little life lesson there at the bottom half of this second show.
Gentlemen, thank you very much.
It was a.
You know, it was like a little bit like walking a minefield.
Didn't want to get Smasher in trouble, didn't want to come across as fire breathing maniacs ourselves, nor vindictive harp raiser, you know uh, kick a dead horse, uh.
But frankly, some of those guys kicked a dead horse right, it was like if if, if.
They're not gonna have any compunction about speaking ill of the organization that they just struggled for for three freaking years, why I don't have any obligation to bite my tongue.
Yeah, hopefully the audience came away with a little more optimism than perhaps had.
But you know, honestly I don't think too many guys were like crestfallen about this, i'm sure.
But that's also because we've kind of bifurcated, right, there was, you were in their tent, or you were out and over over the years.
You know, whatever they gained, I think they probably lost and then lost more.
Uh, by alienating people.
Doesn't make me absolutely.
That's, that's how it went down.
All right, fam.
Full house.
Episode 175 was recorded on what is now starting to get into real winter territory.
It is almost the winter solstice, hot damn.
Our family tradition is to have a little bonfire and i'll put on a little BING Crosby.
So that's coming.
Uh, tomorrow night, maybe the night when you're hearing this, follow us on telegram, on gab.
If you have something serious, please do email us.
Fullhouse show at Protonmail.com, on mail.com.
Remember those comments on the website.
I will see them, but there's so much spam.
It's incredible that comes in through there.
I just spam, Oh, here's a real one.
And that was our friend asking about E. Michael Jones.
And check us out.
Givesendgo.com/slash fullhouse in the spirit of the season.
And of course, we're at full-house.com.
So, in particular, to our pal, potato smasher, Michael McKevitt.
We love him and his family just the same as we did back in the olden days when he was with us on episode two.
He called out sick on episode one.
I was like, this guy is a real, real rock for us.
So bless him and his family.
And everybody who, you know, either got snookered or was all in on NJP and may be looking around like John Travolta saying, what now?
Hang in there.
Unless you were one of those severe, nasty name-calling partisans, there's plenty of goodwill on this end toward you.
Rolo knows who I'm talking about.
Sam, thank you very much, my friend.
Thank you.
It was a wonderful discussion.
I think so.
I think we did well.
And Rolo, thank you, my friend.
You're welcome.
All right.
Well, we're going out to, we did a little bit of pop rock for the bumper, which I sent to Rolo at the break.
We did some real punk or new punk at the break.
And to go out, we're going to go out with a little bit of synth and trance.
We haven't had this in a while.
This is a beautiful song I've been putting on repeat.
When one gets in my head, it goes around and around.
This is between the lines and somewhat relevant to our discussion from the first half by Julian Gray.
Hope you enjoy it.
We love you, fam.
Merry Christmas.
Happy year.
And we'll be back as soon as we can.
How about that?
It's all yours, Sam.
See ya!
I give an inch, take risks, then run for cover.
Buried deep inside, my hope is that you'll know what to do.
Break down my walls and show my heart.
The lies are over.
If you read between the lines, you know that I love you.
Give me just a little time so I can get used to us, cause we're okay if you read between the lines.
You know that I love you.
Too scared to close my eyes with you here.
If quiet size.
I'm too paralyzed from all the nightmares.
You hold my hand and things just feel right.
A hundred times I've been told to look over my shoulder and feel what's happening.
If you read between the lines, You know that I love you.
Give me just a little time so I can get used to No struggles, No more pain That comes with us, cause we're okay.
If you read between the lines, You know that I love you.