We need more lawyers has been a mantra in our cause for many years, second only to we need big donors, probably.
Even though there are plenty of our guy legal eagles, most of them are stuck in the corporate or government morass and not specialized in the types of law that would help us most.
And when we can even obtain true legal representation, it often seems like our lawyers are outmatched.
Or as we heard during Signs v. Kessler, some even seem determined to throw us under the bus and argue from positions of moral weakness.
Well, we have good tidings to bring to you this first show of December, dear listener, as we just happen to be honored to welcome not just a brilliant lawyer, but one who is genuinely on our side and has dedicated himself to fighting for us and against the hordes of enemies arrayed against us.
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welcome everyone to episode 110 of full house 110 and never again.
You'll have to wait until next week.
We are the world's finest show for white fathers, aspiring ones, and the whole biofam.
I am your cozy host, Coach Finstock.
I got the kerosene heater going here in the great Appalachian gazebo, and we're under a severe wind warning here in Appalachia tonight.
So it kind of sounds like the rapture out there.
And hopefully, it won't be too much background noise in here.
The guinea fowl are sleeping up in the rafters, and hopefully, they'll be quiet too.
Anyway, before we meet our birth panel and tonight's very special guest, big thanks to Gassin B, Rusty, and Jonathan Greenblatt for supporting the show this week.
Very magnanimous of the latter donor there.
He's really reaching out.
But if you'd like to be like those fine fellows, please visit givesendgo.com/slash fullhouse or visit the support tab at full-house.com.
And with that, let us get on to our birth panel.
First up, not content with going harder on the JQ than even the esteemed Dr. McDonald last week.
When he heard about our guest this week, he exclaimed, oh, sure, now he wants to help us.
Where was he when I was facing murder one?
Sam, you always go so hard on the guest.
Sorry, it just came to me.
I don't know.
Yeah.
No, it's great to be here and very interesting guest for sure.
And hey, coach, this last week, guess who I saw in person?
Smasher.
Oh, Smasher.
Yeah.
Yeah, he was passing through town.
And, you know, it's always special when at least one of us gets together, you know, and see somebody in person.
We have our cozy little talks here on the phone, but it sure was nice to see him.
And my youngest son had a birthday, so it was kind of an all-star event.
Wonderful.
I'm guessing Smasher was on his way up to a certain Wisconsin city, but that's just pure speculation on my part.
He may have been on his way back.
I'm not sure.
We'll just leave it kind of vague like that.
Good to see a little mini full house reunion there.
Yeah, it was indeed.
And my son, he was very excited.
He got a pistol grip crossbow for his birthday.
One of our guys was going cleaning out his basement and he found this and he asked if I didn't mind if he would give it to him.
I said, yeah.
So I got him one of these big targets that it's kind of like stiff, stuffed with straw or something.
So, yeah, it was a happy birthday at Sam's house.
Yeah, we're getting into the Christmas spirit.
Got the lights up.
We'll talk a little bit more about Christmas maybe in the second half here.
And yeah, grandma and grandpa both sets have been peppering us with questions about what to get the kids for Christmas.
So my wife and I are pulling our hair out like, oh, we got to worry about ourselves.
And there's the rapture I spoke of.
Anyway, thank you, Sammy, baby.
Glad to have you back.
Oh, boy.
Maybe I should have recorded somewhere else.
Anyway, next up, he was very excited to hear about our guest this week because as we all know, he's always just one ill-advised comment away from needing serious legal representation himself and to maintain a Twitter account as well.
Smasher, how's it going, brother?
Hey, I've never said anything that I wouldn't defend in a court of law.
I'm just it's it's going pretty well.
Uh, I wanted to say great and well, and that came out weird.
Um, yeah, it's going great.
I got to see Sam, like you said, it was awesome.
Uh, uh, either going out or coming back from Waukesha, I can't remember.
Um, but it was like, you know, not out of the way at all.
So it was very, very nice to see him and his family and to help celebrate a birthday and also to see some of the local Chicago guys.
Very cool.
Hell yeah.
And a quick after action on Waukesha.
I actually wasn't sure that you went or not.
I didn't see the whole host of characters there.
So funny, funny story.
I got pulled over while we were on the way to the demonstration.
So, excuse me, I didn't get to walk in with everybody, so I'm not in the cool video.
I am in the background of the later parts of the video, but like the cool footage of everybody walking up and handing out signs.
I wasn't there.
I was pulled over.
I didn't get a ticket.
They pulled me over because I turned around on a municipal road, didn't know it was private, didn't know it was a police station, no sign saying that it was a police station, and it's under construction.
And so the cop pulls me over.
I have a ton of drywall and stuff in the back of my truck that just scrapped that I had to take to the dump on Monday.
And I was like, well, I'm not going to pull it out just to put it back in to take it to the dump.
And so he was like, are you sure you're not stealing from a construction site?
You know, this is a police station.
I was like, officer, I'm sorry, but I'm not driving nine hours from home to steal half sheets of drywall from a police station.
Like that doesn't.
I go jogging through neighborhoods when I need supplies.
Right.
I throw my Tim's on, grab my hammer and go jogging.
And so he wasn't happy, but he was also like, okay, yeah, I guess you're right.
And so I ended up being like 15 minutes late.
Late to your own party.
Well, bless you and the NJP and all the guys who showed up for that one.
ITV is go ahead.
The same Twitter account that posted the video of the demonstration, the one that gained the most traction that wasn't like our video being posted, also posted a picture of me and a video of me getting patted down by the cops.
So that was cool.
My truck looks fantastic.
I don't know if I talked about that.
I finally got my truck back after I got hit.
And it looks great in the footage.
So it was nice.
You can get that report or you can get that account banned now, right?
For posting footage that you don't want out there.
Everybody's having a field day.
I guess I could.
Giving the doctors a taste of their own medicine now.
Yeah.
It's a little bit of a fleeting pleasure.
It's not exactly justice, but we'll take it.
All right.
Finally, our very special and very patient guest this week.
He is a brilliant lawyer with many decades experience.
He is a devoted husband and father.
And he also happens to be the chairman of the board and chief legal counsel for the Free Expression Foundation, which is fighting back against the oppressive and soul-destroying tyranny afflicting our entire country and many others around the world.
He also happens to be an Olympic spearchucker, if I have that right.
Mr. Glenn Allen Esquire, welcome to Full House, my friend.
Thank you very much, Matt.
I'm glad to be here.
It's not actually clinically called spearchucker.
Is it javelinist?
I thought we'd all use racial slurs on this show post.
Oh, God.
I blew it right off the top here.
I actually won my medal in the 400 meters, but I do throw the javelin, but not well enough to be nationally ranked.
Yeah, it was very cool to see you launch that in your backyard.
Yeah.
Show it, Junior.
You know, just a taste of what the enemy has coming from you.
I try to keep the crime wave in Baltimore outside my neighborhood by practicing.
Very good.
All right, Glenn.
Well, we're honored to have you on, and we're going to ask you the same questions we do everybody to all of our guests.
Your ethnicity, your religion, and your fatherhood status, please.
When you say ethnicity, I mean, I'm half Irish and half Wasp, I guess.
That works.
Yeah.
Although, strangely enough, I had my DNA checked and it said I was mostly Scandinavian and only 6% Irish.
I can't figure that out.
Wow.
I know that many of the Irish came from Scandinavia, but Glenn, that's how our 23andMe came up as well.
We were quite surprised because we have no family lore of that being the case.
Yeah, it struck me as very dubious and arbitrary.
You know, I mean, what does it mean to be Irish or Scandinavian?
Yeah.
And I am a proud father of three children who are making their way in the world.
A lawyer, a public relations person, and a filmmaker.
And I don't know what my religion is, Matt.
I mean, I'm being candid with you.
I've always, I mean, for many years, I've been very skeptical of Christian beliefs.
And I guess I was a pretty devout atheist for a long time, but I sort of think there is a spiritual dimension to the universe.
I just haven't quite been able to connect with it.
You know, fair enough.
Yeah, I think that's the same case for a lot of us, myself included.
So we certainly get it.
Now, how about, have you started browbeating your kids for grandkids yet?
Are they looking promising anytime soon?
Well, I have one grandchild born.
Oh, there you go.
Congratulations, Glenn.
I had no idea.
That's amazing.
All right.
The name lives.
Was it a boy or a girl?
Little girl.
Yeah.
All right.
Wonderful.
And I, you know, I was raised by my grandfather, so it's a real distinction to be a grandfather.
I always aspired to that honored position.
I'm smiling through the microphone right now.
Now, I had two wonderful grandfathers, so I wouldn't replace them.
But if you could be a surrogate grandfather to me, too, I would be honored by that.
I guess you're probably the same age as my dad, but you know what I mean.
Yeah.
I'm glad to have any relationship with you.
Heck yeah.
Thank you very much, sir.
All right.
Well, let's get down to business.
The one thing, if there's one thing I want the audience to come away from with the show is knowledge about the Free Expression Foundation, what you guys do, what support you need, and what you're going to be doing going forward.
So I guess let's just start off at the top.
The website is freexpressionfoundation.org.
Everyone should go check it out.
It looks like you are now a 501c3, which means that donations would be tax-deductible to donors on their tax returns this year and going forward.
But how did you get started?
Did you start it or did you join after it was already rolling?
Yeah, I started it, Matt.
I started in the middle of my litigation against the SBLC.
It was a very difficult experience for me, even as a lawyer.
And I realized it must be even more difficult for those who aren't lawyers and don't have access to lawyers.
It's a very isolating experience to be attacked by odious organizations like the SBLC and their network of fellow odious organizations.
So I felt that I had an obligation and that there was a need for something like the Free Expression Foundation.
And yeah, it's a Texas nonprofit.
And then I submitted for 501c3 and we got that.
And I could tell you a little bit about what our mission is and what we've accomplished, if that is of interest to you.
Of course, absolutely.
Yeah, because people are going to wonder: so are those the guys I call when I think I might get doxxed or if I get fired for my political beliefs?
But have at it, sir, you know, your scope of work, I guess, and different areas of law work.
Yeah.
I almost said law fair.
That's what our enemy does.
Well, that's an interesting question.
Well, I would say we're dedicated to providing legal support for persons who've suffered various kinds of harm, legal, financial, or social harm, as a result of their exercise or attempted exercise of their rights to free expression and assembly.
We are trying to protect the robust debate on public issues that seminal First Amendment jurisprudence has articulated.
And I will say, as a matter of principle, I think people on the dissident right have the greatest need, but if somebody whose political views I didn't share came to me and I really felt that their First Amendment rights had been violated, as a matter of principle, I would try to help them.
But I do find that people on the left have plenty of lawyers and people on the right do not.
So I think there's a particular need on the dissident right for lawyers.
So we did, we were formed.
We did create, we did get 501c3.
And the first real activity that we got involved with was the Rise Above Movement cases.
And I imagine you're familiar with them, Matt, and the others here.
But just to summarize, at the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally, there were four individuals from the Rise Above Movement who were arrested.
And when you looked at the videos, really, they hadn't done much more than defend themselves or gotten into minor scuffles.
And in fact, they were not even arrested until, I think, 11 months after that event at the behest of several highly moneyed, highly political leftist organizations.
And so that didn't seem right to me.
And I was put in touch with Mike Moncellis, who was one of them.
And he seemed like a very decent guy.
And so I took a look at the Anti-Riot Act that they were charged with.
And it seemed to me egregiously unconstitutional.
So I and Andy Allen, who's not related to me, but is also very dedicated to the First Amendment, and I came up with some legal theories to strike down that statute.
And we've had considerable difficulty, but we did succeed with a district court judge named Cormac Carney in California, where there were four separate prosecutions of the Rise Above movement, and he struck it down.
The Ninth Circuit reversed him, and the Fourth Circuit never did accept that it was unconstitutional.
But there is a petition for Ser Sharari right now up in front of the Supreme Court on that matter.
So that's something we've been very much involved in.
We've also had some involvement in trying to help.
Well, we've investigated like habeas corpus for some of the other people who got outrageous sentences at the Unite the Right rally and just kind of generally giving advice where we can about people who've been doxxed or lost their jobs.
And in fact, on the Free Expression Foundation, and I need to reorganize that so it's more accessible, we've listed the different state statutes that you could consult if you've been doxxed for political reasons.
I mean, if you've been fired for political reasons.
Sure.
So, yeah, we try to be a resource.
We try to be someone you can come to.
And if we can't help you, we'll try to find someone.
But also just to reach out to people and let them know they're not alone.
Yeah, it's funny.
I think you've got a cat there, Smashers.
Smashers, baby.
That's all right.
We're the dad show.
I also love, I love, Glenn, that you're dead naming me or using my slave name on the air, which is totally fine because I, of course, have been quote unquote doxed.
But bless you for, yeah, bless you for the effort, sir.
So here's one of the million-dollar questions that I have here: are you okay with guys who just reaching out, making a phone call, or dropping an email with a vague concern or just to touch base and establish a connection, even if they don't necessarily need legal representation right away or maybe don't have the money to do so?
Because I don't want you to get swamped with like everybody's, you know, you'll be like the shoulder for guys to cry on.
But should people out there who are worried about losing their job or getting doxxed or sort of murky things like that, should they reach out to the Free Expression Foundation?
They absolutely should do that.
That's the very reason I created it.
And I will say another incentive I had was I learned somewhere, and I think it's true, it may not be 100% verified that it's true, but there was a, I think, a young youngish man named Andrew Dawson who got doxxed after Charlottesville, who took his life.
I just, I was so appalled by that.
And I said, why isn't anybody reaching out to this guy and telling him he's not alone?
And what he did was not evil.
It was, in fact, it was admirable.
I don't want that to happen again.
So do not hesitate, anyone, to contact us.
At a minimum, we'll have a conversation and maybe we can do more.
Wonderful.
So it sounds like you're both defense and offense in terms of possible defense counsel as well as organizing lawsuits against various nay or do-wells.
Now, aside from the briefs that you filed for the Ram guys, what other things have you worked on?
Obviously, I'm not probing for clients or anything like that, but what's in the hopper right now in terms of actual cases that you're working on, or is it still getting up and running?
Well, it's still getting up and running, but I did write an article about the January 6th defendants, and I've been trying.
I've come close a couple of times to getting attached as defense counsel because I don't have much experience in criminal defense, but I do have experience in the First Amendment.
And that comes up in the bail hearings in these cases.
And I wrote an article about a guy named Hale Cusinelli.
And he was denied bail after the powers that be went through his cell phone and had, I don't know, 32 people interviewed who knew him and just combed everything about him to find out things that were offensive.
And that was then used against him in his effort to get out on bail.
And let's be honest, whether you've been convicted or you're just in jail because you don't have bail and you're waiting trial, you're still incarcerated.
So he's basically been incarcerated, as others have, who've had their political views used as a basis for denying bail, incarcerated for their political views.
I have not yet succeeded in getting involved other than writing that and circulating it.
And similarly, with respect to the Charlottesville, I've been on the outskirts of that, but I have offered my analysis of the verdict that came out just a week ago.
And in seeking to make sure that there is no miscarriage there and that I am offering my experience, which is fairly considerable in post-trial motions and appeals in that.
And apart from that, we've had numerous conversations with people and I've tried to find them lawyers.
I'm only admitted in two states, Coach.
So it's often a challenge when someone comes to me because I have to find a lawyer in a particular state.
Sure.
And as I learned in my own case, I needed a lawyer.
And as soon as I would contact someone and find out, and they found out I was suing the SBLC, well, it wasn't long before that conversation.
Sure.
Yeah, even somebody like yourself, too.
So yeah, you can imagine what somebody who's perhaps not well-to-do and maybe a quote-unquote nobody.
Yeah, lawyers don't want to touch him with a 10-foot pole.
You mentioned their Glenn and Salmon Smasher.
Please feel free to jump in.
I got a million questions, but have at it too.
That somebody got in trouble for the memes on his phone.
Now, we've done an entire episode on OPSEC that was not in Kansas anymore.
Ways for guys to reduce the risk of getting doxx.
But let's get some free legal advice.
That's what everybody's after anyway.
What are some mistakes that people make that complicate or complicate their case?
What are some things some guys should keep in mind?
Obviously, we know don't talk to the cops or don't say anything until you have a lawyer with you.
But anything, just general principles our guys should know in what is now unfortunately a hostile legal system in many respects.
There is an article again on, and I need to rearrange the, and we are working on the website, but there is an article about things to keep in mind when you go to these demonstrations.
And some of them are just practical.
You know, you need to have memorized the phone number of a lawyer if you know one or someone in case things really do go south.
Also, be wary, you know, of strangers.
I'm sure this is things you've gone over before.
If someone is urging you to do something illegal, I mean, you should look askance at that person and wonder who they are.
And you should certainly be robust in your exercise of your rights, but you should realize that your statements that might be edgy jokes will be taken out of context by your enemies.
And that's certainly what has happened in the Charlottesville trial.
I mean, that they spoke over, I don't know the technological aspects of it, but somehow I guess a Discord server.
And as far as I can see, the plaintiffs were able to cherry pick things and make these people look like they were really planning violence when I don't think they were.
I think they were making bad jokes, perhaps.
But yeah, and I do think if it comes to you're being arrested or you should take advantage of your right to stay quiet.
I mean, I've had several people contact me who've been contacted by the FBI, and it's always the same pattern.
You may have had some personal experience, but you've heard of it.
There's always two of them.
Not for me.
Glenn, actually, only one visited me the day before inauguration.
I hinted at this on the Tom Sewell episode we did.
But yeah, a solitary agent dressed in plaid came to knock on my door on the day before inauguration.
I'll just share this real quick, not to derail, because it's juicy for the audience and I don't mind talking about it.
At the time, it kind of freaked me out, but now it's old news.
Just one, and I didn't know who it was.
It was just a late model SUV creeping up my driveway.
So I just pulled the blinds, locked the doors, and didn't answer the door and was ready for it to be an actual non-officer of the law hostel.
And he left his card and said, call me.
I didn't call him.
And the next day, I'm sitting there watching the inauguration with my toddler on the couch.
And he comes back.
So I was like, well, he's going to keep coming back until I answer the door.
So I did.
And he showed his badge and he said, I'm Officer So-and-so.
And I don't know what you did, what you're in trouble for.
We just get these reports.
We just have some standard questions.
Oh, he asked my name first, which I did confirm.
And he was like, I just have some standard questions here in my little padfolio.
Would you mind if I asked you some questions?
And I was so tempted to say, yeah, come on in.
Let's have a cup of tea.
But my better judgment kicked in.
I was like, no, no, no, no, don't even open that door.
So I just shook my head and he said, thank you for your time.
And he took off and I haven't been back since.
So a big expose there.
But go ahead, Glenn.
Yeah, sure.
When the FBI comes knocking.
Still haven't managed to get feds to show up to my house.
Get on my level, Smasher.
Well, you know, Coach, you know, you've just given me the first instance I know of where there was a solitary one because usually there are two of them.
And there's a reason for that.
And that's because, to my understanding, they go back and they do a report.
And there are two of them.
And in case there's any discrepancy, there's two against one as to what you might have said.
And keep in mind that maybe the other one was hiding in the back with a Tommy gun, you know.
Sorry.
Yeah, I don't know.
But I don't, you know, there's some dispute among us who are trying to be helpful with respect to FBI.
The general rule probably is be polite, but don't talk to them.
But sometimes, you know, I don't know.
I mean, you can trust your judgment.
I mean, it's possible that maybe a little light conversation might be appropriate and you might even find out just exactly why they came.
Right.
Yeah.
That was the one thing I regretted.
But keep in mind that you have no obligation to talk to them.
They may be polite, but if you tell them you don't want to talk, they should leave.
Here's what you can do.
A friend of mine one time had the experience.
And so they came to him with wanting to talk.
And well, so are you willing to talk?
And then he says, and he kind of nodded, okay, I'll listen.
And then so they talked and talked and talked.
And then they, okay, so, you know, answer the question.
He said, no, I said I would listen.
That's it.
Yeah.
You know, that way they're only giving you information.
You don't give them information.
I think for 99% of our audience, the best bet is just to not answer any questions and not even crack the door unless you're a true mastermind of gleaning information without giving anything back.
And that might be an instance, Matt, in which they could give us a call at Free Expression Foundation and tell, you know, and we'll talk through.
And as you say, it'd be a rare instance in which you might want to talk to them, but it'd be good to talk through with a lawyer.
A lot of people are pretty intimidated, as I would be, having two FBI agents come to your door.
So it can be probably a pretty terrifying experience.
So it'd be good for them to know that, you know, we're just a phone call away if that happens to them.
That's an outstanding resource.
Just your existence and the peace of mind, the comfort that you could call your wife or your girlfriend or your mom and say, better call Glenn.
Sorry, I had to throw that in there once.
Of course, you're familiar with better calls, Saul.
It's terrible.
It's our.
Yeah, I haven't watched this in a while.
Just terrible.
Just trust me.
Glenn, I've only watched like 40 minutes of one episode.
Thank you, Smasher.
So when somebody, say somebody gets arrested, is it still the cliche they get one phone call and they're either calling a lawyer or calling a loved one?
So far as you know?
You know, I've talked to two or three people and they got one.
I don't know if it's a general.
Actually, now that you mentioned it, I'm not sure it always happened with the Rise Above Movement, guys.
You know, and sometimes it's just a logistical thing.
I mean, prisons aren't always the best run, especially the federal, none of us hopefully will end up in prison, but the federal prisons are actually better than the initial places where you are because you're not a permanent.
You're just transitional, you know, and it's really kind of chaotic and there's no facilities like libraries or anything like that.
So a lot of things happen and sometimes they're malevolent and sometimes they're just incompetent.
But so I don't know, but I do think that there's a general awareness among prison officials that, you know, if you want to talk to a lawyer, they better let you talk to a lawyer because there might be some bad repercussions from it.
Yeah, we spoke with Kevin McDonald last week and he basically said, you know, the only thing holding them back from more Bolshevism, more gulags and stuff is the law and they're pushing boundaries too.
And I want to ask about how your perspective on the law has changed maybe a little bit later this hour.
But let's talk if we could about doxing and the law.
I've read in supposedly conservative legal reviews that doxing is always illegal, right?
You're not allowed to expose someone's private information on the internet or elsewhere with malice.
But so many of our guys have gotten doxed and had not either they didn't pursue legal recourses or they couldn't or a lawyer said you really don't have a case there.
Is there anything that we can hang our hats on in terms of what's legal and illegal when it comes to doxing?
And does it vary by state?
Yeah.
Well, when you say legal, I mean there's two aspects to it.
There's civil liability and there's criminal liability.
My understanding, and we're working on an article, that there are a couple statutes working their way up through a couple of states that would make doxing illegal.
I mean, certain kinds of doxing.
I don't know whether any have been enacted yet.
What your real defense would be would be a civil claim for invasion of privacy.
But yeah, I'm sorry to be discouraging, but I'm just trying to be objective.
It isn't easy to win those cases because there might be jury or something involved.
Or there's also what happened to me, for example, in the SPLC manner.
I was doxxed based on some connections I had with the National Alliance, like 30 years before that.
And I took the position that that wasn't a matter of public interest.
I had privacy rights with it.
And I sure think that's right.
But the two courts I had felt it was something that the public had a right to know.
And so what you and I rightly think is private, you know, the courts may not think is private.
So that's part of it.
But yeah, there are, this may not be directly responsive, but there are, the basic, I don't know if you're doxxed and you lose your job, then you have a, if you have an employment contract, then you can invoke that if it protects you.
If you don't have one, you're an at-will employment, at-will employee.
And the general rule is if you're an at-will employee, you can be fired for no reason or any reason.
But that one always surprised me, right?
Because wouldn't that be an open door for the supposed white supremacy and racism, right?
Oh, you're at-will, I can fire you because you're black or because you're Jewish.
I'm pretty sure those people, even if they were at will, could they counter or file a suit for discrimination, employment discrimination?
You're absolutely right, Coach.
I mean, there are exceptions to that, and they're growing.
There's a long list of reasons you can't do it.
I mean, for age discrimination and gender discrimination and race discrimination.
But unfortunately, it's discrimination against white people hasn't made that list.
But there are a number of states, and I was surprised actually, I thought there were only eight, but I think we found 17 that have statutes of varying degrees of effectiveness that protect you against getting fired for political reasons.
And I think it's a solidly defensive position that if you got fired because of your activism for white activism, that's really a political issue.
And if you got fired for that, you got fired for political reasons.
And you could probably get some recourse under these statutes.
But that's a state-by-state thing.
And again, that's something we're trying to develop expertise on.
We're trying to get a network of lawyers.
So we'd be glad to help anyone who's had that.
I am helping someone in Seattle, for example, that has a statute like that.
And this is a, I believe it's a city of Seattle statute.
And it wasn't created to help dissident right.
It was created to help left-wingers, but it does forbid violation, I mean, termination for political reasons or political ideology.
So we're invoking that.
Excellent.
Yeah, I know one guy is suing Christian Exu slash anti-fash Gordon, I believe, for his role in indoxing him.
So yeah, it does happen.
Just seems like it's an uphill battle, like in so many of these cases.
Yeah.
Well, you make another point there, Matt.
Who do you sue?
You know, I mean, do you sue the employer because they fired you?
Or do you sue the creeps who got into your personal matters and brought it to the attention of the Antifurs?
All of them.
I wish I could tell you I've succeeded in suing Antifa.
I hope I'm able to sometime in my life.
But I don't know.
I have not yet succeeded in finding the right circumstances to sue those creepy people.
But I'm still looking for one.
So again, if those kind of people caused your doxing, you know, let's talk about it.
And maybe we can finally corner these people.
Right.
Tortious interference.
Could you explain that to us and whether, because that's always my understanding of it is it's a third party interfering with your contract, either implied or explicit with your employer.
You know, they're monkeying around with something that wasn't broken and therefore that's wrong, but I guess hard to prove or hard to win.
Well, you're exactly right.
I mean, a contract is between party A and party B, but let's say party C decides that he wants to destroy that relationship, then you would have a claim if you suffered harm from the destruction of the contract against party C because they're the one that caused it.
But it has to be, there's an enumeration of reasons like defamation or threats of violence, like labor things, for example.
It's sometimes used in a labor context when, you know, I don't know, a labor union threatens a business or something, you know.
And defamation is certainly one, but it can't be used just by.
The cases often get in disputes about, well, I was just trying to persuade them, you know, you really shouldn't have a contract with those people, you know.
And just persuasion probably wouldn't rise to the level of actual torsious interference.
So you do need a lawyer, but you understand the concept very well, Matt.
And again, you'd have to know the exact facts and you'd have to fit it into something that was sufficiently egregious that someone would say, wow, that really was not appropriate.
Right.
And one more specific here, Glenn, if I could.
Libel and slander suits.
Now, if some Jewish journalist called Potato Smasher a neo-Nazi, probably does have a strong case there.
Smasher, go ahead.
Yeah, guilty.
Well, there you go.
You screwed the pooch smasher.
But if they were saying something like, I had illegal firearms or something like that, like an actionable accusation.
But unfortunately, you're now a public figure as a founding member of the NJP.
But how about that, Glenn?
The private, you know, the public figure exception.
I guess people are allowed to say crazier things if you're prominent and public.
Who qualifies as that and what qualifies as libel or slander?
I know that's a multi-part question.
No, no, you're asking good questions.
But the public-private distinction, public figure, private figure, goes back to the Sullivan case in the 1960s that kind of put a First Amendment overlay on defamation.
But the basic idea was if you're a public figure, then the burden of proof that you have as a plaintiff is higher than if you're a private figure.
If you're a private figure, it's enough to show that somebody negligently defamed you.
They said something that was harmful and false against you.
And maybe they did it because they were just incompetent or stupid.
But if you're a public figure, you have to show that it was intentional, that they knew it was false and they deliberately published it, at least recklessly, but usually intentionally.
So that's the distinction.
And who is a public figure?
I mean, if you're prominent in your profession or something, I don't know.
I've always hoped that I wasn't a public figure.
If my SPLC said, I was just quietly doing my business.
And just because I'm a lawyer, the cases are a little mixed on that.
But there are such things, not to get too academic with you, it's also whether you get what they call vortex public figures.
You get sucked into a controversy, and you, even though you didn't want in there, you give as well as you take and you punch back.
You still perhaps become a public figure.
But I know lawyers who assiduously endeavor to remain private figures, and they may succeed.
But yeah, you made the point about libel.
I am sorry to tell you that neo-Nazi is universally among courts said to be just a matter of robust expression of opinion.
I don't know anyone who succeeded.
I know that Peter Brimmel from VDARE has challenged their use of white nationalism.
Sure, so in the New York Times, New York Times, and that was not successful.
But so that kind of thing, I'm afraid, does not have much.
I would even, you know, I counsel someone to be realistic about your chances on that.
But yeah, if they accused you of illegal conduct, that's classic defamation.
It's, yeah, if you illegal gun laws, I think you would have.
You'd have to steer, you know, pretty delicately through the legal system so you don't get hammered the way.
I mean, I don't mean to discourage you, and I always want people to fight back, but you have to know that some very strange results have happened.
You're perhaps familiar with what happened to James Edwards from the political cesspool.
He had David Duke on his show.
And then the newspaper said, you know, that James Edwards was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, but he never was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.
I guess David Duke was at one point.
He said, all I did was have David Duke on my show.
And that seems to me clearly any fair-minded person would say that was defamatory and untrue, but it went up to the Michigan Appellate Court and they said, well, that's close enough.
I mean, he had David Duke on his show and it's close enough.
So, I mean, there are such egregious instances, but I would prefer to say the glass is maybe not half full, but there's still some water in it.
And I don't think you should give up if something like that happens.
If they really do accuse you of illegal conduct and you didn't do it, I mean, give us a call.
Here, here.
Yeah, there sounds like there's a lot of arrows in our quiver, but they're a little bit waterlogged or the arrowheads are a little bit dull, not truly likely or very likely to hit home.
One of the newer sayings that we have in our cause, I don't know if you've heard this one, Glenn, is that if you find yourself in court, you've already lost.
And that's sort of a reflection about how skewed the so-called scales of justice at least seem to be against people like us these days.
Now, you're still a practicing lawyer, so I know you probably don't want to criticize your arena too hard, but how has the law changed since you got started?
And how do you view it today?
Just broad strokes.
Well, as you know, Coach, I wrote an article about lawfare, about the Sines v. Kessler case.
And I mean, there's always been abusive litigation.
You guys are probably familiar with slap suits or anti-slap suits, anti-slap statutes.
SLAP stands for strategic litigation against public participation.
And it was created, for example, to help tree huggers like me who got trampled by big corporations or something.
So we couldn't even express our views.
I mean, environmentalists or animal rights people or that kind of thing.
And mixed results.
I mean, some anti-slap statutes are powerful and some are not.
But I think that the lawfare that is manifested by the Sines v. Kessler case is just a categorically step up in the degradation of the law and its use for ideological purposes instead of purposes of compensating people.
As I said in that article, that case should never have gone forward because just going through the agony of four years of discovery and the bankruptcy and the stress and the expense that it cost to these poor defendants was a success in itself, even if the verdict didn't turn out quite the way that they wanted.
And yeah, I guess I am, Coach, I would not have thought that could have happened 20 years ago.
Maybe I'm naive, but it happened four years ago.
And we've got to push back, but the trend is moving that way.
So I just hope we can educate people on what is lawfare.
You know, that that is not the core purpose of litigation.
The core purpose of litigation is to redress real injury and put you back in a position you could be insofar as money can do it.
It's not to crush your ideological enemies.
Well, and if you can prove basically that a case is illegitimate and that it is being used as just lawfare, there is some ground for it to be thrown out, correct?
Well, that's true.
That is true.
And I will say that my cases got thrown out, and they did so on very dubious grounds.
My SBLC lawsuit, I alleged, and I alleged circumstantial evidence that I thought strongly supported an inference that the SBLC bribed a bookkeeper or an employee of the National Alliance to give up confidential information, which was used against me.
And that was really one of the core allegations of my lawsuit.
But the courts held that they have a plausibility standard, a minimal plausibility standard to even get past the initial stage.
And they held it was not plausible that the SBLC would do something like that.
I joke at that.
I mean, it seems to me quite plausible indeed.
And I think they probably did do it.
But yeah, there are stages in the litigation that a judge does have some room to get rid of a case at the outset before a real great injustice is, at least in a civil suit, is perpetrated on the defendant.
Glenn, would you recommend to our guys who are logically and verbally inclined to enter legal practice or to go to law school these days?
Well, another good question, Coach.
You know, I would.
I would.
And I'm sorry to say this, but they would need to be cautious about expressing their views.
It's not like you can, if you're a leftist, you can join some leftist organization in law school and that's fine.
But you probably should, and I hate to say this because I'm a First Amendment advocate and I want people to be able to express their views, but I think it's an inhospitable environment for getting a job or perhaps even getting a certificate license if the authorities think that you're a so-called racist or neo-Nazi.
So I do commend people who want to go to law school.
It's just a more difficult route, and you have to learn to hold.
You have to learn that you cannot freely express your views as a left-wing person could.
But I have been contacted by several young people who, and I can't name them, but who want to work for FEF, who've graduated or are in law school.
And yeah, they've made it through and they're working normie jobs, but they're not fully satisfied doing that when they see the society crumbling and they want to help.
And I think they will be able to help at some point.
Yep.
Reminds me of the military a little bit.
I mean, I personally don't advise at this point fathers sending their sons into the military and younger guys joining up because you're just one ill-advised word or internet post away from getting discharged or worse.
And I guess same with the law and getting debarred.
At least if you get debarred, like getting debarred would suck, but like getting kicked out of the military, at least getting a dishonorable discharge is the same as having a felony in the United States.
So a terrible thing to happen, but maybe not life-ruining the way that a dishonorable has the potential to be.
But one of the things that I think about a lot, it's like, what does the left have?
How did they gain power?
Or how do they enforce the power that they have?
And it's like they have access to all of these things that we don't.
So we need to build them.
Give them some credit.
I mean, they've been agitating for decades.
They've been pushing their agenda relentlessly, really.
Yeah, I mean, I'm old enough to remember, you know, the 50s and the 60s.
And things have changed so radically that it's just incredible for us.
Well, that's what I was talking to a guy just recently.
We were commenting about some situation.
He says, yeah, well, those days are never coming back.
It'll never be like that again.
And I said, don't say that.
Our enemies at one time were in the opposite position as we are.
And they didn't say never.
They kept fighting for the sick version of the world that we have now.
And guess what?
They have it.
Bingo.
Rolo, I have not been flexing on you, dear producer.
It's just, you know, one of the rarest things in the world is a free hour with a good attorney.
So I mean, I had a lot of questions here, but go ahead.
Go ahead, Rolo.
I guess maybe they give you a one-hour free consult.
I'm just joking.
Go ahead, Rolo.
You got a question for the good esquire.
Oh, God.
Okay, I'm not going to get interrupted by any more.
Or non-sequitur.
No promises.
Okay.
That's okay.
Just from coach.
Okay.
So the ADL has essentially free reign to label anyone an extremist.
And I do feel like that makes you fair game to be fired from your job.
So if someone lied about, say, doing security for an extremist group that they have no association with, could that be grounds for defamation?
You're asking for a friend, I assume, Rolo.
Yeah, completely unrelated.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Anyone, you know, hypothetical.
In case this happens to me sometime in the future.
Very specific question.
Sure.
Maybe.
I know people often laugh and maybe critically at lawyers when they say, maybe I would need to know more facts about that.
But certainly if it's false and it's a false statement that resulted in your false unprivileged statement that resulted in someone's termination should be grounds for some kind of an action of some sort.
But I struggle a little bit with, you know, being called an extremist is another one of those words that's given free reign these days.
So I would you would agree that that, because the word is overused, I agree, but it is still a defamatory word because extremist is usually associated with usually terrorists.
So to just say that this person works for this extremist group, like is that not legal defamation if they don't work with that group, they're completely unaffiliated with them.
Well, yeah, if they're unaffiliated with them.
I mean, I guess in my mind, I was thinking two things, whether they are, but they think that's a false characterization.
And it probably would be.
I mean, when the ADL calls you an extremist, that means, you know, they're trying to taint you, as you say, as a terrorist.
But when we look at it, it's just kind of a radical devotion to upright values or something.
But yeah, I mean, if you had no affiliation with an organization that they call, if it was a false statement, that's certainly, to answer your question, yeah, just based, again, I would need to know more, but just on the basic facts you said, you would have the basic structure for a wrongful discharge or a defamation claim.
Rollo's friend was only a member of Adam Laugh and the base simultaneously.
He certainly was not an extremist.
I am joking, of course.
He was just her house painter.
There you go.
There's the detail.
Thank you, Rollo.
All right.
Glenn, you're obviously the enemy engaged in some skullduggery with you, if you don't mind me asking.
And then you summoned the power, the will, and the brilliance to sue them, but it didn't work out.
The courts didn't see it your way.
And I think it's fair to say that you think that those rulings were flawed.
What happened with the suit against the SPLC?
And is that now in the rearview mirror, I guess?
It is over, Coach, but I was supremely disappointed.
I mean, I felt my claims were meritorious and I put a lot of trouble into them.
And they raised some important issues, not just for me, but for generally, one of the issues was what use can, even assuming the SPLC, which is supposed to be a law firm and not a media, but what use the media can do of stolen materials?
Because as I mentioned, I alleged and I alleged with particularity and credibility that the SPLC had improperly obtained this confidential information from this bookkeeper.
But that's a very controversial issue right now.
I seem to remember that there was some question about how New York Times had obtained Donald Trump's tax returns or something.
But you may notice that they almost always say, well, we don't know how they came into our mailbox.
We just opened up our mailbox and there they were.
And that's because there was a case called Bartnicki in the 90s that the Supreme Court said if media innocently obtains stolen materials, you know, they can use them.
But if they participated in the theft, they did something wrong, then that's a different story.
And they don't have a First Amendment defense.
But that's the issue I brought up in the SPLC.
And it affected me, but it affected others.
And the courts just could not deal with it because I had really boxed them in with very strong cases.
So they just tried to shunt this case over into an unpublished decision because they couldn't answer my arguments.
This is within the last few weeks.
But like Project Veritas was just raided by the FBI and a bunch of people arrested for what they claimed was Joe Biden's daughter's like stolen diary.
And Project Veritas got it.
And they're like, whoa, we don't want anything to do with this.
We can't verify where it came from and tried to get rid of it.
And then that's when they got raided.
But you would never see that happen to the SPLC or the ADL or something.
Somebody leaves a baby on your doorstep and then you get charged with kidnapping or something.
No, you make a good point.
I haven't delved too deeply into the Project Veritas case, but it raises that very issue.
It's called the Bart Nicki case about what, I mean, how much can an organization participate in obtaining information that it knows is stolen?
I mean, is it enough that it knows it's stolen, but it didn't steal it?
Or if maybe they, you know, they went a little farther and they urged somebody, could you give that to me or it paid them or something?
But yeah, I understood that Project Veritas probably had a First Amendment defense.
And gosh, it's frightening, isn't it, that an organization that I have come to admire a great deal has been attacked like that.
Glenn, did you ever meet Dr. Pierce?
And what was your mindset back in the National Alliance days?
I guess you knew the score long before so many of us.
Obviously, Sam's been at this for longer than Smasher Rollo and me, but any tales from the old days in the National Alliance?
Yeah, I knew Pierce, and I had mixed feelings about him.
I admired him a great deal.
He was a brilliant man.
Just, you know, his mind was a fascination to me, the way he could absorb material.
And he was also a kind of strange guy.
I mean, he was, he seemed very uncomfortable around women.
And he was also, you know, I ultimately concluded he was too negative.
I felt he emphasized too much negativity.
And he sort of gave in to these fantasies.
I regarded them as violence.
But, you know, he was a courageous, intelligent man.
And I will tell you a couple of anecdotes that kind of tell you what he was like.
I once asked him, Dr. Pierce, what culture in history do you admire the most?
And he said, Sparta.
And that, you know, that was him.
I mean, he lived a very Spartan existence, and he was very uncomfortable with what he regarded as people who weren't 100% devoted.
And including his several wives, you know, who kind of wanted to, you know, have nice clothes and things.
Back in the trailer, when your wife leaves you because you won't stop calling her a cuck.
They didn't have that word back then.
Well, yeah.
I know, I know.
But, you know, he was a guy that he saw a lot and he's been appreciative in many ways.
And he didn't back down from it.
He decided to try to do something.
And I didn't always agree with his approach.
But, you know, I saw a lot to admire in the man.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
For the audience, just real quick, if you haven't read the fame of a dead man's deeds, it's the biography of Pierce by the author's name is escaping me now, but it's available.
I think it's still available in print, maybe Barnes and Noble, but absolutely a wonderful read.
I was expecting it to be a little bit of a snoozer or a hit job.
And it's this wonderful expose in a good way of Pierce and the Alliance and what was going through his mind at the time.
Go ahead, Smash.
His last name is Griffin.
Griffin, thank you.
Yep.
Oh, I was just going to say, I think Dr. Pierce is the way I am.
I am the way that I am, because whenever I came into this thing, you know, I've talked about coming in through 4chan and whatever, but the very first content that I really started consuming wasn't podcasts.
It was Pierce speeches that were still available on YouTube, the radio broadcasts that he used to put out.
And so from the very get-go, I was always like, yeah, this is it.
Like, this is national socialism, and we have to just be completely dedicated.
And we can settle for nothing ever.
And, you know, the rest is kind of history.
So I don't know where you can still find them, maybe on Odyssey or something.
But if you haven't listened to basically every single second of audio content that William Pierce had ever put out.
American dissident voices, right?
I think that's right.
Yeah, that's it.
You need to try to find it however you can and listen to all of it because it is incredible.
The original podcaster.
Heart's in the right place for sure.
And the way I just love it, very, very consistent.
Hello, I'm William Pierce.
And then it would go in, and it's so good.
Wonderful.
He was actually quite a gentleman in person.
He would often have a cat on his shoulder, which is kind of a characteristic thing, but he was.
He's a parrot.
Yeah.
I love cats.
And I got a really tough one here before we go to the break.
And don't think too hard, just whatever comes to mind first.
But what is your favorite childhood memory?
Oh, really?
Sure.
This is a new feature where I'm stumping guests just to, you know, whether it's, you know, what really, like when you think back to your childhood, what brings you warm, joyous feelings?
Well, you probably didn't know this, Matt, but you know, I lived several years on the Indian reservation.
I'm not Indian, but when my parents divorced, I was sent to live with my grandfather, who was the superintendent of the Zuni Indian Reservation.
And so I lived with Indian folks.
And, you know, when I was from like three to seven, I think, something like that.
I guess my grandfather was a benevolent dictator.
He was a robust man physically and just a very authoritative figure in a good way, but also a very good-hearted man.
But I suppose some of my memories, and it probably formed with me, was his respect he got from the Zunis and the respect he gave to them without compromising that he was not a Zuni.
I mean, he said that Zunis have the right to be Zunis and we shouldn't, we need to help them as we can, but we should not force our values on them.
And kind of the inference was, you know, we have the right, we're white people and they're they're Zunis.
And so I had some incidents of that, you know, of the goodwill that existed within a framework that we weren't trying to be Zunis and they weren't necessarily trying to be whites, although there was some interchange, you know, well, thank you for asking.
And yeah, that would be fun.
No, that's that's wonderful.
Yeah.
For me, and I don't know why this is, I just, I get transported back to an image of a cloudy fall day where my mom happened to be at work.
It was probably a Saturday or a Sunday, and my dad took, I must have been eight and my sister was four and my brother was one or something like that.
And he took us to the park and I was just big enough to get the basketball into the net.
And just for I, it's not like my warmest childhood memory, but just those simple things for whatever reason that mundane day.
And it's not because my mom wasn't there.
You know, it's just a coincidental.
But I just have extremely fond memories of just my dad and my brother and sister just hanging out there at Parkview Elementary School, shooting baskets and killing time.
Go figure, whatever that means.
Yeah.
Smasher, go ahead, have at it.
What's your favorite childhood memory?
Let's do it before we let Glenn go.
That's what I was just thinking about.
I don't remember that much of my childhood, like childhood.
I can remember like really oddly specific details from like high school and things like that, but childhood becomes extremely foggy.
But one of my favorite memories for sure is, and it's actually one of my earliest memories.
It's not super, super clear, but it is the birthday that I got my first dog was extremely, extremely exciting.
And he was so afraid because he was like, you know, six, seven weeks old or whatever.
All of my family is there, you know, a big birthday party.
And I remember him hiding under the glass table that my parents still had in the living room at the time.
And I was like chasing him around trying to get him to hang out with me, like totally just not understanding that I'm, you know, horribly abusing this poor dog.
And I was, I was probably, I was like three or four, you know, this is an extremely, extremely early memory.
But that, that is a memory that I've always carried and thought about.
Yeah, I think whatever first comes to mind, even if it's not like the best answer or the most significant.
Now, for Sam, of course, it was getting his first tattoo at the age of 10 for sure.
Well, that was normal in like 1876.
Yeah, we didn't make any age jokes for Glenn.
Let's not start in on Sam.
You've got your autobiography up on full-house.com, but you've had a little bit of time to think here.
What first comes to mind for you, big guy?
Yeah, like you say, it's not to try to rack your brain to come up with the most significant thing, but just what first comes to mind.
I remember when I was very little, it was just, you know, before my sibling was born.
And my dad was Canadian, you know, and so sometimes he would just say on a whim, well, let's take a ride to where he was from there in Sarnia, Ontario.
And so we would go.
And I remember driving past, there was the gigantic tire on your way when you drive through Detroit, this gigantic tire, you know, as you're entering the motor city.
And I remember things I remember my mother and father taking me to some type of children's, I'll call it like an amusement park or something, you know, like that.
It was just the three of us.
And, you know, I can remember that very distinctly.
I must have been maybe three or four years old at the most, you know.
Yeah, those things, even from early, early childhood that just stick in there for one reason or another.
Wonderful.
Well, yeah.
Thank you, Sam.
Thank you, Smasher.
Rolo, you're up.
Rolo didn't have a childhood.
He was still a child.
I'm still a child.
I'm still a child.
He's still a child.
No, this is easy for me.
So the summer, it's not like a specific thing, but it was the summer before I moved away from the state that I was born in.
My family had a camcorder.
that no one used.
So I just got accustomed to using it.
And my friends and I, we would just go out doing, like we were 12 years old, just generic hijinks.
And we filmed everything that we did.
And they were my neighborhood friends.
They were kids I went to school with, but it was like a 10-minute walk to where all of them lived.
And it was like, it was like the sand lot type of deal.
I can't imagine a better childhood for anyone.
It was just, I mean, like, we weren't like breaking laws or like doing drugs and like killing people.
Boring.
Not with that attitude.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, we had a lot of people.
That's a terrible childhood.
I'm talking about on camera.
Please.
Come on.
We're all about optics.
And I still have all those tapes.
And of course, most of those people, one of those people grew up to be a cool dude.
The rest of them just kind of became like pathetic losers.
And one of them became an antifone.
Yeah, the cell phones and the cameras are a curse for so many reasons.
But my parents remind me, like, we didn't have money for a camcorder when you were growing up.
So sorry, there's no videos.
You know, they feast on the kid photos and videos that you can just text in a moment.
So be grateful that you have that to document all of your kids' childhoods and stuff like that.
I think, yeah, I think we'll keep at that.
Good answers, everybody, across the spectrum.
And yeah, if we're ever hard up for content, we'll just do all childhood memories.
Glenn, congratulations first and foremost on becoming a grandfather.
Again, I'm smiling at that little bundle of joy.
That's amazing.
Less importantly, thank you, sir, for your good fight on behalf of yourself, on behalf of so many of our guys out there who need the help and need your brains and your courage.
And again, we encourage the entire audience to first go to freexpressionfoundation.org to reach out to them if you might be in a pinch or have some concerns.
Don't abuse the privilege.
And also, please add them to your philanthropic, your charity efforts this Christmas season.
And if you're one of those opportunists out there, yes, keep track of it.
You can deduct it from your taxes.
And no, I'm not aware of anybody.
I donated to VDARE for years and I didn't get in trouble.
I remember being nervous donating to VDARE back in the day.
So have some spine and support Glenn and his growing team of lawyers and their virtuous efforts.
Glenn, thanks so much.
Any last words for the audience?
No, but thank you, coach, for all you're doing.
I can't think of anything more important than encouraging family values as you have done.
So you're right at the top of my means the world.
Thank you, Glenn.
Bless you.
Bless your wife, your kids, and your lovely granddaughter.
And for the break, I'm happy to turn the musical choice over to you if you have a favorite piece that you love to play.
Otherwise, I'm going to go with Better Call Sol theme song or Warren Z Von Send Lawyers Guns and Money.
It'd have to be some Bach, but you probably don't have any right of hands.
What's your favorite?
I love JS Bach.
What's your favorite Bach?
Do you really?
Absolutely.
He's my favorite.
Well, the Goldberg variations, the first ones, I don't know.
Glenn Gould?
Do you play any instruments, Glenn?
Well, my wife is a professional pianist, in fact.
You told me that last year at the NJP Christmas Party.
That's right.
Yeah, and she's going to be playing again at a Christmas party here.
Does she want to start a band with me?
Do it.
Okay, Full House.
Everybody needs to send money to Full House so that I can buy a cello.
Yeah, forget the Free Expression Foundation, the Full House band.
We're getting free recordings.
By the way, actually, Coach, since you're a family guy, and you all are, my wife has created several CDs for introducing children to classical music.
And they're wonderful.
They're just the opposite of these Jewish Christmas stories we're getting out of Hollywood with Seth Rothbard.
They're very wholesome.
They introduce young folks to classical music.
And I would, everyone, if you could do anything for me, in addition to supporting FEF, it would be a support in my wife's effort to get wholesome classical music into the minds of young folks.
Bless you for that, Glenn.
I purchased one.
We loved it.
And I will put that link in the show notes as well.
And yeah, just let me know like three or four minutes of your favorite Bach movement.
We can't play a total symphony or concerto or at the Brad Attitude.
All right, Fea, fair enough.
But yeah, let me know.
And Godspeed, good sir.
Here is Johann Sebastian Bach with the Goldner.
I missed it.
The Glenn Gould.
What is it?
It's Goldberg variations.
Goldberg was a count in Germany, but you could just play the first two.
I mean, there are 20 of them.
You don't have to play them all.
But if you have it there, just the first two or three, it only takes two or three minutes.
But I mean, I don't know if you have access to that.
They're all less than like five minutes.
I think some of them are even like 30 seconds long.
That's right.
Oh, you know it.
Well, yeah, that's right.
Look at the big brain on Brad.
Well, you know, I act like a total retard most of the time, but people forget that like I was the principal cellist and an orchestra.
I had a full ride for playing the cello to a private school here in Western PA, but I was too poor to buy a cello, so I couldn't do it.
Well, you must know some Bach cello sonatas.
I have played a number of Bach.
Well, I played a lot of music.
And I stole most of it from the school, too.
So I still have most of the music.
Oh, yeah.
Sad violin for Smasher's music.
Sad cello.
Hashtag, yeah.
Unhappy childhood memories.
The cello is the best instrument in the world.
It is.
There's something about it, isn't there?
It's in the same range as the human voice, right?
That's what makes cello so interesting.
Is that what it is?
It is in the same range as the human voice, but it can get to the highest end of the human voice and the lowest end of the human voice.
So you can carry a high melody or you can play some deep bass, something really intense and exciting.
Diversity is the cello's greatest strength.
Well, yeah.
There's something very sensuous about it, too.
I mean, it's very, very, it gets right inside you somehow.
Yeah.
Wonderful.
All right, Glenn, it was an honor having you on.
And I will say that I don't hope to see you in court, but at an event.
If I do see you, yeah, I want you on my side.
All right, everybody.
We'll be back after a little bit of Johann Sebastian Bach here.
110, the final episode, perhaps.
Just kidding, we are not going anywhere for a meme.
And special surprise for the audience.
We are so delighted that Glenn is sticking around for the second half.
This happens all the time when we have these great guests.
I just want to have them for the first hour and don't want to ask for too much.
And then they're like, eh, I'll stick around.
I'll hang out.
I'll hang out with you guys for a little bit longer.
Come for the dad content.
Stay for the wig nasty intermission.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
You got to get some Bach.
Well, you heard some Bach there at the break.
I don't know exactly which ones yet, but I can't wait to listen to them.
And yeah, I kind of like the format of doing a little bit more structured in the first half sometimes with a special guest and then kicking it a little bit here in the second half.
Speaking of special guests, next week, we've been killing it lately.
Michael Hill, Chris Cantwell, Kevin McDonald.
And next week, I won't say who, but we're Spectre.
Thank you very much.
I got a lovely note.
We got more kind feedback about Spectre's appearance and his book on antelopehillpublishing.com than for most any other show because the opioid issue hits.
Yeah.
I was just going to say, I was really butt hurt about missing that, but COVID had just kicked my ass way, way, way too hard.
Did you listen at least?
Do you listen to the shows that you're not on, Smash?
I do.
Normally, I did not listen to this one yet.
All right.
I have not actually listened to a podcast in a couple of weeks.
Have not had the opportunities that I'm normally afforded to do so.
Sure.
And thank you for reminding me.
I wanted to flag that I didn't know this, but Glenn went on the Realist Report to talk about his work in the Free Expression Foundation as well.
And I had been in contact with the Realist Report host, God, a year, maybe two years ago.
We were talking about doing some sort of collab.
So if you don't like us, check out Glenn's interview with the Realist Report for sure.
But next week, we have an actual, a real U.S. congressional candidate coming on the show to talk about his campaign, his issues.
And I'll just leave it at that.
And you can judge for yourself whether he's the real deal, whether politics is fake and gay and a waste of time, or whether this might be a man and a cause worth supporting as well.
So we present, you decide.
I don't know.
New fake tagline there.
It's not Paul Nealon, for anybody wondering.
Also, the lovely Laura Toward.
I mean, that would be pretty wild to have Paul back on.
Not back on.
He never was, but the lovely Laura Towler from Patriotic Alternative in the UK reached out to say, she's like, I don't like your show.
It's a terrible show, but my husband loves it.
She said they both like it, but her husband, Sam, likes it particularly.
So she was like, Do you think we?
I was like, oh, come on, Laura.
Of course.
Yes, we'd be honored to have them on.
So I'm thinking closer to Christmas, we'll do a cozy little transatlantic UK, US, No More Brother Wars.
We don't have to get political about it, but we'll see what they're doing with Patriotic Alternative, how things are going on the island there.
I like her articles that she writes.
Absolutely.
They're not welcome unless she sends us some tea.
Let's be real.
There you go.
There you go.
She's got a wonderful tea line and is doing good work.
And her husband ate too shabby himself.
He's listening.
So we'll grill you, hubby, about what it's like being married to a prominent dissident woman.
And then also, Sam.
Because none of us would know.
Yeah, fair enough.
Sam, do we have blue-eyed devils or the blue-eyed devils?
A member, a member of the band.
He's very excited to come on the show, too.
And he wants to talk about, well, he wrote us the letter about handling the infants and that he's nervous about handling the infants, but he also has some ideas about activism.
And also, I want to get his impressions about playing in Mexico.
Hell yeah.
Mexicans go hard.
They do.
Just some teasers there.
I'm looking at my master list and we got a couple other ones, but I'll leave it at that.
That's enough teasers for now.
On to new white life.
We only got one this week, but it's a big one.
And it is our old producer, Jack.
If you remember us grilling Jack about his lady friend and how things were going.
Yeah, long distance.
It's a little early, but congratulations, Jack.
Your boy's work.
You'll be a great dad.
And Godspeed.
Put a ring on that finger soon if you haven't already.
And we're over the moon for you, brother.
Good luck and Godspeed to you.
Congratulations.
And the lady.
Yep.
You're the only new white life this week, unless I was negligent in monitoring the various DMs and emails and all the rest of it.
All right.
I do have a birth, but I don't, it's not confirmed if it happened yet or not, since I'm not on Twitter anymore.
Okay.
Yes.
And F for your Twitter account, Smasher.
And you said you were even playing nice, right?
You just ratioed a blue check marker.
Yeah, yeah.
I ratioed some blue check Jew with like 15,000 followers, and uh I got absolutely reported into oblivion to the point where I couldn't even like access my Twitter account to be told I was suspended because different messages just kept popping up within seconds of each other.
It was a complete show if only we had some sort of 501c3 legal organization that was championing First Amendment rights.
Yeah, that's I really just need Glenn to dedicate all of his time and resources to maintaining my Twitter account.
I mean, in all seriousness, it's a full employment job, I'll tell you that.
But it's not a full compensation job, it's a full employment job.
Yeah, seriously.
But I mean, we've talked about this, I don't know how many times, just generally over the years, that like Facebook and Twitter and social media should all be considered like the public space where you can 100%.
That's certainly one approach.
I mean, use them like public, I mean, address them like public utilities, so they need to reserve space for dissident.
That's probably not going to happen.
And another one, as you know, is to withdraw their privilege under the 230 exemption so that they could get sued for republishing defamation.
That's probably not going to happen.
But I don't know what you guys think of Senator Hawley and these others who have been, and Cruz who've been kind of pushing back against these big media people and kind of, you know, at least threatening them.
But it seems to me perhaps they deserve some support.
More smoke than fire, in my opinion, Glenn.
They just ran Paul, all these prominent senators, they talk a very good game for sure.
Where were they when we had a supposedly free speech president for four years, you know, really banging the drum to get legislation?
I guess free speech got worse under Trump.
Yep.
Yeah.
We were all on the internet under Obama.
That's when we all got banned was under Trump.
I used to do, I used to say, well, we talked about this a little bit on the break on like me being from 4chan and trolling and whatever back in the day.
And, but yeah, we used to do all sorts of stuff on Facebook saying all sorts of like crazy off-the-wall stuff that you couldn't even imagine saying right now.
Almost entirely under Obama.
Yeah.
Well, has Trump created his own social media?
Is it really going to be open for?
I don't know.
He created his own website and like press release thing.
And then I think they shut it down or whatever nascent social media thing he started up.
They closed down.
You know, just like so much else.
It was a facade.
Yeah.
But then you get places like Parlor, which is probably like a literal Israeli operation.
Yeah.
Gab is excellent.
Are you on Gab, Glenn?
I am.
And I've been impressed with the determination of the guy who runs it.
Yeah, Gab's good.
Yeah.
He really seems a genuine real deal, you know, to fight for these rights for people to speak their minds.
Absolutely.
We totally endorse Gab and Telegram, of course.
I don't know if you're familiar with this, Glenn, but Telegram itself isn't censoring anyone but the most egregious, you know, violence posters.
But the Apple and Google themselves are blocking individual channels, including most recently Warren Baylog and Tony Hovader.
The original Full House channel got the ban a long time ago.
So people have to do these worker rounds.
Yep.
The final storm, a little feather for your bonnet there, Rolo.
Yeah.
Speaking of, I did make a new Telegram channel.
Oh.
Because of some of the recent censoring of like Tony and Warren and stuff, I was like, okay, if NJP stuff is getting censored, then I guess it's my responsibility to make a new uncensored channel.
Have you, Coach, have you been censored?
Oh, yes, yes, sir.
I've been banned from Twitter seven or eight times, including accounts where I was on very good behavior.
So that's either ban evasion or the usual suspects.
I suspect that the NGO commissars have a hotline into these companies where they can just say, zap this person, zap this person, white nationalist neo-Nazis.
100%.
Well, that's my latest Twitter account.
I had zero suspensions, no timeouts or anything.
But I hosted a space.
Twitter spaces is a new feature where it's like a voice chat and you're the host and then you can bring people in to ask you questions and whatever.
So I hosted one called Ask a White Nationalist Anything.
And it got at one point a few thousand people in there and got pretty big.
And because I had absolute admin control, I kept it from turning into a complete like nonsense show where people were saying stupid stuff.
It was actually really good.
And I had a few people actually message me after the fact and be like, man, that was really good.
You've made a good idea.
You've made some really good points.
Dude, I had black guys messaging me and being like, bro, how do we support each other?
How do we work together?
Like, we agree on everything.
One struggle, brother.
Yeah, it was some serious one struggle moments.
But that is what got the attraction of a Jew.
And so this Jew joins the space.
And of course, I let him on.
And I just did the whole Nazi bit of say no, ask about Zionism in Israel.
Nazi.
And it got to the point where I was just hitting him with the, so he's not, he said he wasn't a dual citizen.
And I was like, okay, so if the United States and Israel went to war, who would you support?
And he wouldn't answer that question to the point where he eventually spurred out and quit.
And all the blacks that had microphone access literally cheered like when their homie disses somebody.
It was a really, really funny, surreal moment.
That's a great question.
That was my first crack at the JQ as a freshman in college with this five-foot, curly-haired U.S. born Jew get in an argument about foreign policy.
And I was like, wait a second, which country would you actually fight for?
He was like, oh, Israel, bro.
I was like, yeah.
So it was like this Jew quits and then shares a link to the space.
And I went to sleep because it was like 5.30 in the morning.
It was such a, it was really good, but it was such a mistake because I ended up staying up way, way, way too late and got no sleep.
And it was terrible the next day.
But somebody DM'd me his tweet complaining about it and it had gotten no interaction over 24 hours.
And I was just, I can't remember what his name was, but I was like, dude, you have 15,000 followers and got zero interaction on this tweet after 24 hours.
Are you okay?
And then that's when, you know, it started making its way around all of the prominent Jewish accounts and then got shut down.
Yeah.
But these people don't have like, you know, undue sway over social media or the media or, you know, anything like that.
We lost two of our own this week.
Two of our own guys passed away on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving.
And we haven't talked about too much one because you're not sure about the circumstances.
Does the family want you talking about them?
But the censorship on the white pill side, remember, they wouldn't shut us down if they thought that we were all just kooks and cranks and were owning ourselves, right?
They are legitimately disturbed by the power and the appeal of our message, which is why they're just a huge motivation for us.
They admit that.
They will admit that.
They say we have to report these accounts so people can't see it.
Otherwise, the message of hate will spread.
And of course, it's not a message of hate, but they are admitting that it will spread because they know that it's popular.
But for some people, yeah, but no, that's you're exactly right.
For some people, you know, your Twitter buddies, even if you don't know them, IRL, they're your friends.
They're your fam, right?
And like getting isolated and getting shut down, as gay as that might sound to somebody who hasn't been immersed in social media activism or propaganda for a long time, like it's a big hit to you.
And it does disrupt networks and it does impact people.
So yeah, whatever, if you get shut down, take it as a badge of honor.
Don't just go slink off to the night.
Make another account and stay connected.
Coach, what do you think of the departure of Dorsey as head of Twitter?
Sometimes I've seen that spun as they're going to get even worse after him in censorship.
I have to assume it will get worse.
You know, as bad as Jack was, he was still an Aryan and at least paid lip service to free speech.
And I can't imagine that a subcontinental, now we've got subcontinentals at the top of Adobe, Google, Microsoft, and now Twitter, just waiting for Mark Zuckerberg to get knocked off by a Hindu at the top of Facebook.
But you look at like the boards of directors and stuff for all these companies, and is it really like Hindu supremacy?
Sure.
Yeah.
No, I totally agree.
I can't remember what Jew it was, but one of the Jews that they had invested a bunch of money into Twitter last year, and they basically said, look, you're going to amp this up.
Yeah, it was singer.
You're going to amp this up or you're not getting all of this money and your company's going to fail.
Because despite how popular we think Twitter is, like, it does horribly economically, from what I understand.
Yep.
I can't read this.
Grain of salt.
Yeah.
The writing's been on the wall.
They had an actual real free speech guy, Costello, I think was his name.
He departed right around the time that the ban started to happen.
So even though this new, I don't know if the new policy of like allowing you to report private information, which of course our guys are virtuously taking advantage of to get the left-wing doxers taken down and spades.
I think that's more of a coincidence than a sign of, you know, that's just more censorship, even though it's temporarily working in our favor.
So get on Gab, get on Telegram, and listen to Full House.
I don't know.
We got some lovely, oh, sure, that old Kennard.
We got some lovely mail from the audience.
You know, we did the quick Cantwell special on Thanksgiving night.
We had just finished dinner when the phone rang, and I was hoping to go at least 30 minutes.
We only got 15 in.
That's why that one ended so abruptly, fam.
But from Australia, dear Full House, fam, I'm writing from down under to express my deepest sympathy and condolences regarding the horrific anti-white terrorist attack in Waukesha.
My comrades and I stand in complete and total international racial solidarity with the victims, their families, and our white nationalist community at large.
To any of our guys currently suffering in the depths of any black pill stemming from this atrocity, let me just say this.
One day, many years from now, you will look at your beautiful white grandchildren in the eye and tell them the story about how we freed our people from Jewish tyranny and subjugation.
And on that day, every bit of pain and suffering that we are going through will be worth it.
Stay strong.
We will all have a home again one day where this will never be allowed to happen.
Wherever we are in the world and whatever struggles the system throws at us, our cause is just.
We will make our ancestors proud and secure our people's future.
And then he goes on here and he says, I'd also like to thank Coach Sam Smasher and Mr. Producer for providing me much needed white pilling relief the past two years as my government has clamped down on us here.
Keep up the great work, the value provide, the value you provide to our movement is exceptional and appreciated.
Hail, victory.
And that's from Gumtree Party down under.
I don't know what Gumtree Party is that is that some native flora gumtree.
Anyway, so thank you.
Very nice.
Right back at you.
And don't forget Tom Sewell.
I boosted Tom Sewell's got a court date coming up and his comrades were passing around the Monero and Bitcoin hat.
That is on the Full House Telegram.
Oh, when we have friends over now, my daughter came up with a schematic for the curse jar, and it's like the D word, the S word, and then the F word is the big one, a full dollar fine for that one.
But the other ones for a little bit later.
All right, here we go.
Hey, coach, I just wanted to say thanks for the show that you guys did with Spectre.
I just ordered his book.
I spent ages 16 to 26 as a junkie, starting with hydrocodone and ending up on heroin.
I eventually made the choice to get into a sub-ox-owned clinic, but even that is a Jewish scheme.
It did help me kick it, though.
After a couple years, I got off it with the use of Kratom, dope-free for eight years.
What you said in response to the guy's letter in episode 109 that was with KMAC is so true.
If I didn't find this movement when I did, I have no doubt I would be right back where I was.
If you don't have something greater than yourself to work for, then you'll likely become a homo, junkie, or some other Jewish creation.
I'm thankful.
All of the above.
Why not all of the above?
Sorry for laughing.
I'm thankful to know each and every one of you.
Keep up the great work.
Hail our people.
Hail, victory.
And that's from Vaughn.
Bless you, Vaughn.
Thank you, brother.
Great life.
Yeah, dude.
Some of the best people I know in this thing are former junkies.
Say what you want.
I will stand by them.
I'll fight you about it.
Well, somebody that can really kick the habit, that's a tough guy right there.
Absolutely.
Yep.
And he's a family man now, too.
So he's got his posterity and he's got it all together.
He's a good poster, too.
Is this the Vaughn that I'm thinking?
Yeah.
Yep.
This is the Vaughan we know.
He said I could say very good.
I don't know.
Yeah.
He's Werner von Vaughan.
No, I don't.
Sorry.
There you go.
New screen name.
Max Headroom sent me a letter to the P.O. box, and I'm not going to read it because it was slightly more personal, but he wrote it in cursive.
I had a hard time.
He had wonderful handwriting, but I was like, who writes in cursive anymore?
Glenn Allen probably writes it.
Submit everything to the court in cursive just to make it harder.
Glenn buys legal pads at Costco by like the multiple cases.
Elegant.
Anyway, Max Headroom sent me this lovely letter, and then he included a photo of himself with his new bride.
And he looks like the happiest Chad in the world.
And I might say he might be the most handsome man and white nationalist, white nationalism.
Normally, I would say no homo after that, but you know, he's a really good.
In this case, maybe.
Little homo.
Yeah.
If I had to be gay with somebody, Max Hedroom.
And this is how the modern brown shirt started.
Max finger in the full house.
I'm kidding.
Max, thank you, buddy.
Congratulations on your wedding.
She's beautiful.
Your wife's way cuter than you are, bro.
But you are right.
Yeah.
She had the point.
The only thing I didn't like, Max, was the pointy fingernails.
You know, I don't know if they were like glue ons or whatever, but sorry, I don't mean to spoil it.
You guys look wonderful over the moon for you.
And he said, yes, God willing, I think like within a year, he'll be a dad.
So they're going right for it.
Max, thank you for the lovely photo.
Congratulations on your wedding.
And yeah, God speaks.
I'm going to hang it in my house.
I have the only copy.
No, I did share it just with the birth panel.
I was going to post it on Telegram.
I'd be like, this is Max Hedgerim.
Look at what I have.
Slightly better judgment than that.
One more here, guys, and then we can kick it.
And Dee wrote in to say, this week was such an excellent episode.
I presume he meant KMAC.
I don't have a time stamp on it.
I wanted to tell you, thanks for all the hard work.
You're making a difference.
It may not seem like it at times.
But several of my Normie friends were talking about the latest episode, and it made me smile.
So I don't know if our pal here sent the episode to his Normie friends, like, hey, you might want to listen to this, but I guess they were chatting about it.
And he's like, that's awesome.
And he says, tell Smasmer Sam.
No, no, his friends.
Yeah, yeah.
He said, tell Smasher Sam and MP.
Thanks.
Thank you, sir, for the kind comment.
We got a couple more, but maybe I'll save them for next week in case the mailbox goes dry.
Shame on anyone who doesn't write into us this week.
Real quick, Coach's Comfy Corner, and then I'm going to shut up and go to Sam Smasher and Glenn.
So we have the new pooch, right?
She's six months old.
She's growing pretty fast.
We're like, oh, is this going to be like Clifford, the big red dog, you know, growing out of our house.
But she's a total puppy and feisty, you know, chases the cat, but doesn't bite the cat, is a shameless beggar at the dinner table, just looks up at you with her heterochromatic eyes, literally puts her little snout on your leg begging for food.
The other night, we had steaks on the counter.
They were, I guess, marinated, but not on the grill yet.
And the dog put her big old paws up on the counter and was straining to get at the steaks.
And our man Potato, three and a half years old now, he sort of, he didn't swat her down meanly, but he like pushed her down off the counter.
And then he said, nice try, FBI.
Swear to God.
I had no idea where he picked that up, but we were rolling just to hear that little nice try.
I won't even try to imitate him.
But yes, even the toddlers know the score when it comes to our political commissars.
So yes, good job.
He saved the stakes and made us laugh at the same time.
And then Grugg's son let us know that he got him with, I guess he said, Dad, you know, can I have a sandwich?
And he's like, what kind?
And the kid's like, you know, the one that I like most.
He's like, oh, ham and cheese.
And then he got him with ham and cheese nuts, which I thought he said that his whole family was rolling and it was very creative.
So add that one in to your repertoire, fam.
Let's see.
Let's go to our special guest and let's go to Sam next.
Glenn, you said that you had a fond memory.
Was it again with your grandfather?
I forget from the break already.
Pardon me.
I guess it's a bit of a detour, but I think of my grandfather.
He was half Irish, so he was quite a raconteur.
But this is a story my grand, my uncle told me about my grandfather.
It was 1940 or 41, I guess, and Roosevelt had declared war on the Germans and the Japanese.
And they sent out a command that all 20-year-old males or whatever were drafted.
And as it happened, there was a group of Paiutes, which was a tribe of Indians who had participated in the last Indian uprising, I think in 1916.
This was before Wounded Knee.
And it was called the Polk and Posey Uprising.
And they killed some whites and got some of theirs killed.
But anyway, they had gone into this valley in Utah and pretty much minded their own business for about 25 years.
People knew they were there, but they stayed away from them.
But anyway, somebody said, you know, somebody's got to go tell those guys that they've been drafted.
And so they said, well, we'll have my grandfather, we'll have him go tell them that they've been drafted.
Their young men have been drafted.
So as my uncle told me, they went to this valley where these white folks had not been for some 20 years.
And I guess the Indians had heard about it because they all had their rifles.
My grandfather asked him, well, why do you have these rifles?
And they said, well, we may be killing some jackrabbits here in a few minutes.
But anyway, my grandfather went in and talked to the chief and he said, you know, I have come here from President Roosevelt to tell you that the great white chief in Washington has declared war on these Germans and on the Germans and the Japanese.
And your young men need to join the army.
You've been drafted.
They've been drafted.
The chief looked at him and paused and he said, you must be out of your mind.
He said, the only enemies we have are you.
We don't know these Germans and the Japanese.
And my advice to you is to turn on your heel and get out of here before there's trouble.
Sure.
But my grandfather said, he was, you know, a gregarious guy.
And he talked to the guy for a while.
And after about an hour, the chief said, you know, Mr. Floyd, I've taken a liking to you.
But this idea of us fighting these Germans and the Japanese, we're not doing that.
He said.
But I've come up with a compromise.
If you tell us what they look like and we see any of them around here, we'll ambush them for you.
The end of his encounter with those Indians.
So they stonewalled them and didn't get drafted.
Well, they both ultimately did actually.
My name, Paul, and that is between y'all.
Yeah, that's one of those ideas.
But actually, you know, some of them became the code talkers, you know, that confounded the Japanese.
You know, I don't know if you know that story.
Yeah, Navajo.
Yeah, they could never figure out the Navajo language.
Man.
Yeah.
But I've always found that kind of amusing that they weren't going anywhere, but if you tell us what they look like, we'll have your views on America, you know, for myself, for example, I was very patriotic in the 80s and 90s, maybe even into the early 2000s, Glenn.
But have the scales kind of fallen from your eyes in terms of the American mythos?
Or are you still a proud American and our ideals?
No, I'm like you, man.
It's too bad.
I mean, I did have a patriotic streak.
I did join the army.
I mean, I still had some of that and saluted the flag and all that, but I just, it seems so debased and I feel so manipulated when I hear those things.
And you go to a football game and I can't bear it anymore.
I want to scream.
Yeah, I've lost it.
Coach, I don't have those old feelings anymore.
Well, you've lost that love and feeling, you can say.
It's complicated because you should love your country and it's a natural, healthy feeling to love your country.
So we're in kind of an odd position, you know, because we know too much now.
But one of my favorite quotes from Edmund Burke, I believe, was, to love one's country, one's country ought be lovely.
Yeah.
It's like a weird position to be in, you know, because it's like you, you know, we're nationalists, right?
Like we're the people that are willing to fight and die for our people, no matter the consequence or the likely outcome or whatever.
And at the same time, it's like, man, I hate the country that I live in.
And what a strange, strange juxtaposition to have to live in.
And every once in a while, I still, I will feel a little bit of nostalgia, not for America so much, but for the time that I knew that I used to feel patriotic.
You know what I mean?
Just a simpler time.
Yeah, the Disney era.
Two decades.
Go ahead, Glenn.
Sorry.
Coach, I don't know if you knew this, but I had a relative on the USS Liberty talk about undermining one's respect for the flag.
Yeah.
I guess he's not a blood relative.
He's married to my uncle's wife's daughter's, whatever that is.
But yeah, Phil Tourney is that relative.
You'd think he'd want to come on and talk about it?
I know it's Hail Mary.
He's called a man about it called What I Saw That Day.
God damn.
Is this one of the last surviving guys?
I may have seen this guy speak, actually.
Yeah, there aren't that many left.
Unfortunately, they've passed on and been driven to drink by the neglect of our government.
I mean, it's just, it just stuns you to realize how poorly they've been treated.
But yeah, I'm sure he would be glad to go on.
He's a devout Christian, but he certainly speaks the truth.
And first person, I mean, he describes, for example, this idea that the Israelis couldn't see, you know, who they were killing.
He said one of the helicopters was 100 feet up and he was shooting at him and he gave the finger to the Jewish pilot and the Jewish pilot gave the finger back to him.
Yeah.
So flag flying the whole time.
It's utterly unbelievable that if you can count on Americans for one thing, it's to like fly the flag and like make it known that we are Americans.
Everybody knows you're American, even if it's a spook ship.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know if you heard this one, Glenn, but I forget if it was, it was a contributor to unz.com who, and maybe this is widely known, but I had never heard it before.
His hypothesis was that the Israelis wanted it to appear as an Egyptian attack in order to draw the United States into a wider conflict there.
So that that was the false flag was that we weren't supposed to know it was the Israelis.
It was supposed to be the Egyptians attacking us to embroil us in their own conflict there.
Oh, no, I've seen that as an explanation, but, you know, I mean, that the is that was the Israelis' motives.
And, you know, it makes it makes sense because it wasn't just one attack.
They attacked and then they withdrew and then they saved submarines to torpedo it.
They wanted that ship down.
And yeah, I mean, even if it was, I mean, it was incapacitated, even if it was an enemy ship, they had it incapacitated, but they wanted it.
Everyone killed on it, as far as I can see.
Yep.
I've been listening to Mein Kampf on audiobook again.
I wanted to go back to the beginning because you often get lost and distracted on that.
And I think Hitler said something to the effect of when a nation's people are willing to fight and die for their nation, then you have a nation.
And again, I'm paraphrasing, but when they are no longer willing to knowingly sacrifice themselves for the country, which is the case for so many of our people now, like how many of our veterans would say, hell no, would I, you know, sign up again knowing what I know now, then you don't really have a country anymore.
And just two decades ago, we were the global hegemon.
We were the sole superpower and in a unipolar moment.
And now, just two decades later, that is a farce.
No honest, non-retarded man on earth believes that we are still the colossus that is able to exert its will.
We're sick, we're tired, we're fat, we throw our weight around without anything to back it up.
And I think increasingly China and Russia are calling our bluff and saying this is all this is a paper tiger.
This is this is a dying empire on par with Rome, with the USSR, probably with the Austro-Hungarian Empire too.
Multicultural.
Yep.
Sure.
Look at the Chinese and the Russian recruiting videos that came out a few months ago.
Then you juxtapose those against, hi, I'm Sally.
My mom is gay, and my other mom is gay, and I'm gay, and I joined the U.S. Army.
And it's like, bro, we're doomed.
We're doomed.
I could ask you guys, I'm older than you are, but I grew up with the expectation that I should probably serve in the military sometime.
I mean, it was kind of a part of a duty I had.
Did you guys grow up feeling that way or not?
Smashers are only true veterans.
So have at it, brother.
Rolo, I don't know, but yeah.
I did.
I did.
I mean, everybody in my family joined.
Even the cousins of my generation that are a little bit older all joined as well.
And then, so I was like, you know, I have to.
I felt that calling and whatever.
It's all I ever wanted to do.
And it obviously turned out to be like severely disappointing as my political, my understanding of the political reality kind of came about.
But, you know, if I had, if I had my way and we lived in a world worth living in, like, you'd have to, I'd have stayed in the military forever.
I loved it.
I absolutely loved it.
I didn't realize you were in.
What years were you in?
I joined in 2012 and got discharged from active duty in 2018 and from the reserves in 2020.
And Sam was too old to be drafted into the Vietnam War.
So that was the same.
I could say that when I was age 18, a number of my friends were going in the military and I thought that I would do it, you know, but that was also at a time where my views were becoming more mature and I knew that I couldn't do that anymore.
You know, and I, that, that thing of patriotism, I just could, you know, I just had such a disdain for the U.S., disdain for the U.S. flag and things like that.
And that's one of those things.
It's sad in a way because a person, as we just were saying, should love their country.
It's a natural thing and it's a good thing.
In fact, somebody who would be coming from the wrong point of view and say, I hate my country, we would not like that person.
So that's, that's, I guess I could, I, I, I also have that feeling of like, what, as you're saying, at a certain age, you should want to serve your country in that way.
Yep.
And Glenn, I actually did sign up for Army ROTC.
I went to American, but I, uh, the program was at Georgetown.
So, for the first, for the first month, maybe of my freshman year, I went, and that was partially patriotism and noble ideals.
And it was also even back then part opportunism because I only got a half ride and I viewed ROTC as, well, I'll have a job out of college and they'll pay off my student debts.
But as I went through it, I can't, one, I was 18 years old and doing it for half the wrong reasons.
So I was more interested in like staying up late and going to frat parties and things like that.
And that was not really conducive to getting up at 5.30 or 6 a.m. three to four times a week.
I've been on plenty of a multi-mile company run drunker than, but eventually, you know, as an 18-year-old self-indulgent kid with his first taste of freedom, I was like, you know what?
Screw this.
I'll just take the take the student loan debt on.
So, yeah.
And then Rolo was a Navy SEAL and has 100 confirmed kills on his three sea levels.
Dude, you're not supposed to tell people that.
I have over 300 confirmed kills.
Yes, that's it's a it's a meme, Glenn, where like a tough guy gets on the internet and says, like, oh, yeah, I'm a Navy Seal with all these kills.
But I'm an army tiger.
Rollo, did you ever, I don't think you're a veteran, but correct me if I never tempted?
No, no.
Meme war veteran.
Yeah.
Rolo is never tempted.
He's the wisest of all of us here.
I'm basically a meme war ranger.
Oh, yeah.
I've got a meme war veteran t-shirt that is now at the very bottom of the drawer.
Pepe in the army helmet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have a I have a meme war veteran patch that I used to keep on my flight helmet and Pepe, like doing the smug Pepe with the finger over the mouth and it says meme war veteran on it.
Yeah.
Kind of cringe now, but at the time it was cool.
There was actually a lot of the dudes that used to jump, that we used to jump, the SF and even some of the Delta guys, a lot of them had Pepe stickers on their jump helmets.
Just saying.
For so many of us, Glenn, those 2015 to some point in 2017, probably ending in Charlottesville, those were really, even going back earlier, those were formative years.
If you don't know the sort of brain chemistry that happens with social media and dopamine hits and like feeling like you're finally making a difference, right?
That you're like, you can, your voice can be heard.
And in a sense, it's true, right?
You know, if you're, if you're good at the craft, you can get hundreds of thousands of eyeballs on a very dangerous, true, virtuous idea whose time has come.
So we were all, I mean, really.
How many people did we convert?
Because they weren't banning us at the time.
Like that's, I recognized Mike Enoch in a Facebook argumentation group.
I don't remember if it was like left versus right or whatever it was, but I recognized him in a Facebook group that, you know, I was not connected to TRS in any way, except I was just a brand new listener to the show.
I'd only been listening for like two weeks and I saw the exact arguments that he was talking about being made, the same arguments that I had been making.
And I messaged him and that's kind of how I got involved with TRS and everything.
But it was like, we used to be able to go into these groups and just absolutely wreck people, or you could be on Twitter saying not anything that you wanted, but actually articulating our points in making progress with people and having arguments.
And when we're allowed to make arguments, we win and they know that.
And with people who had never experienced these ideas, myself included, too, right?
Like this was like an eye-opening thing for me, too.
It's a subject very near and dear to my heart because when I think back to it, I'm like, okay, half of it was just, I won't be crude, but it's just social media dopamine hits, and you're just chit-chattering on the internet with your buddies, right?
There, there is an aspect, a time suck, a terrible phone affliction or addiction to being plugged in.
But on the other sense, I would say that's much more true now than it was then, though, because at least then you could kind of accomplish something right.
Yeah, exactly.
But yeah, it's something like if I think back, Glenn, like you probably had to wait for like, you know, your latest issue or like the latest radio dispatch to get out.
But for so many of young, impressionable kids, or you know, I was 30-something at the time, it was like boom, boom, boom, you know, wake up and information warfare in your pocket, 24-7 friends, a little bit of fame, you know, a little bit of ability to take it to the enemy.
It was what a time to be alive.
It wasn't quite the summer of love, but something akin to it.
You know, that was last summer.
Here we go.
I have, I still have a copy of Attack Revolution, Revolutionary Voice of the National Alliance from February 1978.
It was given to me by Warren.
Yeah.
No, I remember that.
But, you know, I had occasion to watch a lot of the videos of the Unite the Right rally in connection with the prosecutions of Bram.
And I got to, as I said, I got to know the Ram guys, but I think they acknowledged they sort of got caught up in it.
But I think, you know, apropos of young men kind of wanting to get involved in kind of military stuff, I think that was part of what was going on.
I mean, these are fit young men, you know, and they got their testosterone going on.
I don't think they really wanted to hurt anybody badly, but they did want adventure and a cause, you know, to fight for.
And I think that was part of what maybe you were talking about, Coach, about this kind of rush of true emotions, you know, that was pushing people up to be active and to get out there and do things.
Yeah, Charlottesville was like a tractor beam.
I'm sure it was for those guys too, right?
Even I had advanced warning that it was going to go, you know, this is a trap.
And you guys like, seriously, don't go.
It's going to go poorly.
I was like, even if it does, I'm still going.
You know, like we had to stay.
It was, there was absolutely a martial spirit.
Like, no, my friends are going to be there.
I can't be the shirker who avoids duty that day.
And those, and God bless those Ram guys too, because we all knew that the enemy was going to be there and violent and ready with their projectiles and their makeshift flamethrowers and possibly their guns too, right?
So the helicopters flying overhead that day on a sweltering day.
It was just, it was just like NOM.
No, I hope the Vietnam veterans in the audience don't get upset.
No, there was.
When I go back and look at the video, you hear the droning helicopters overhead.
Didn't one of them crash too?
I hear the job is hovering.
All right, I won't do that.
All the veterans in the audience are going to be like, oh, God.
Are all the Ram guys out now, Glenn, or one is still serving time?
No, they're all out.
But they're two different prosecutions.
And here's the complex thing: the four in Charlottesville have served their time unduly.
And that time is lost.
Even if we turn it around the Supreme Court, they're never going to be reimbursed.
But the ones in California, as I mentioned, we want it.
Our side won at the trial court, was reversed in the Ninth Circuit.
And then it was appealed to the Supreme Court, but it was suspended.
So they've never been, they've been free ever since the trial court released them.
And that, I will say, was one of the greatest days of my legal career.
Wasn't there, but when they went into court, you know, with handcuffs, wearing their jumpsuits, and Judge Carney said, this law is unconstitutional, release those people.
And I was told they walked out without any food or anything.
They just suddenly were free.
They weren't really.
But it would take great malice for the government to prosecute them at this point, but I don't know.
I mean, we know the malice that the malevolence that the government has.
So those four may get prosecuted yet.
Yeah.
What do you think about the prospect of the Civil Rights Act applying to whites?
I guess in theory, it does already, but in practice, it doesn't.
And it just seems like such a pipe dream, right?
That, you know, whoever's going to run in 2024, Trump will probably run again.
DeSantis might run or be his running mate.
Like, I seriously caution the audience about getting any excitement up for that.
I didn't support him in 2020.
I certainly wouldn't in 2024.
But on that sort of big scale, is there a chance for some sort of legislation that could turn this around?
Could that even work, say, if a miracle happened and we got a good president with a willing Congress?
Well, I guess maybe there are two questions: whether there's any consequences.
And I don't know, and I doubt it, whether the existing legislation, which, as you say, doesn't regard whites as a protected class.
I mean, basically, if you're a heterosexual white male, I mean, you just, you're the part that is not protected against, and almost all the others are.
That may well happen, Coach.
I don't know if it's going to happen in our lifetime, but I mean, there's pressures toward in that direction.
But boy, I don't, it's nothing we can count on in the next decade at least.
Yeah, probably not until we have actually a country of our own, which I always say, well, I'm a white supremacist insofar as I believe, and maybe this is cucky.
I'm already checking myself, but it's like whites should be supreme in at least one country on earth, probably several, you know, where we are explicitly in control of our destinies and we can say who's in, who's out.
This is a country for white people.
And whether that happens in an actual white country in Europe or somewhere on the North American continent, I don't know.
But that's probably what it's going to take.
I think the rest of it is probably a fairy tale or a pipe dream.
Glenn, how about you and your?
This is perhaps unfair, but you've had a little, your personal life has been a little bit rocky as a result of your views.
And I'm not talking about your marriage or whatever, but have your kids been hostile or for example, the reason this came up is that Kevin McDonald mentioned that one of his sons doesn't talk to him anymore.
And I'll share certainly that I have family members who I don't speak to anymore.
And then I have other ones who have been completely supportive and loving and even agreeing with me.
I won't name names.
But how's it been on the personal front for you through your years of struggle, really?
Yeah, well, it's probably the most difficult thing.
I could deal with almost anything, but the pressures that were put on our family were the most painful.
And they've never really healed.
And I'm a little perplexed by it.
And I was hurt, but my children grew up in this society and they absorbed certain values.
And I've just had to respect that they don't understand their father.
And I do have amicable relationships, but it's a wound that was very deep and still exists, to be honest.
I hear you.
Did you talk about our issues at all when they were growing up, or was it a secret part of your life?
Well, you know, I always thought that if you trained people to think for themselves, they would ultimately come to conclusions.
I've never been 100% sure I'm correct, and I still know.
But it's really a matter of moral process.
And that's kind of the point I wanted to make with my lawsuit about the First Amendment.
It's not so much the conclusions, it's the process by which you reach those conclusions, whether it's free debate, whether it's people courageously confronting facts that are unpleasant, and really being honest and candid people.
And I sort of tried to inculcate that with my children in the hope that their views would tend in my direction.
And it didn't really happen.
It hasn't been as severe as it has with Kevin, but I don't know.
I mean, there used to be a belief that the older you got, the more, you know, maybe nationalistic or conservative you got.
So perhaps, but yeah, I don't know.
It's a very tough question.
Actually, I should learn from you, Coach.
I do know of some instances where parents, I won't say indoctrinated, but they certainly inculcated their children very strongly with values and had their children kind of react, as children will do, very strongly against them.
So does one do that or does one?
I think that people have to come to terms with their beliefs and with the realities in the world.
And yeah, the fact is some people just don't have what it takes to stand against the world or to stand against pressures.
And that's not to say anything bad about them.
That's just there's different type of people with different types of strengths and talents and that.
I can only tell you this, like with each of my children, that they have come through a time in their life where they kind of resisted me or seemed to be going in another direction.
And then within a few years, they came back strongly in my direction.
So my older children have come around to my way of thinking, but there's one kind of in the middle, you might say, or towards the youngers that is kind of in that phase of where we're not close right now.
And so I think that people change through the years, at least somewhat, and people mature and things like that.
And we know we are right about what we believe in.
So we have the truth on our side.
And so you got to just be patient and trust a little bit.
And I can't be dishonest with my kids.
I certainly don't try to go too hard.
We always say, you know, everything in moderation to a certain extent.
But, you know, when your family is literally attacked, it's virtually impossible to just pretend that that didn't happen with your kids, right?
And not talk to them about, well, okay, here's the dynamic.
Here's what happened.
Here's why, et cetera.
And sure, you can make your own conclusions.
And who knows that the jury's still out, right?
Am I going too hard?
Am I going not hard enough?
Are they going to rebel against it?
Are they going to embrace it from a young age or whatever?
I don't know.
The innocence of childhood is something that is definitely sacred, and you don't want to rob them from that.
But again, in the sick world, I suspect that at least parents today, certainly not judging your parenting 30 some odd years ago.
Today it's a different story.
And just like Derb wrote about having the talk with his kids in 2012 or 2013, they got them in hot water.
Like at a certain point, you have to tell your kids the ways of the world, even if you know.
Yeah, you must tell them.
Yeah.
You must tell them, but you can't insist that they mimic your exact reasoning or that they accept every conclusion that you have drawn.
Yeah, here's what I know, and here's how I know it.
And here's how I formulated my opinion.
If you think I'm wrong, by all means, have at it, Junior.
Prove it, Dork.
I'm just trying to be like Alan Baylog.
One more quick story, Sam, and then I want to get you in here too.
But we had the annual Christmas light extravaganza.
We put them up on the Saturday or Sunday after Thanksgiving this year.
Wife said I went full National Lampoon.
What's that father's name?
Floyd Griffin.
George Floyd.
Went full Griswold.
Full Griswold.
Thank you, Rolo, our resident movie expert.
She said I went full Griswold, which I said, I smiled at that.
But I had a special innovation this year while I was up on a ladder putting the lights up on the gutters and stuff.
What did you use to put the lights up?
A ladder and an extension cord.
And then to hang the lights, I did drill tiny screws into the exterior of some of the trim along the roof smasher.
Tiny.
Should I use hot glue?
Well, the screws are up there.
I've used them for like two or three years now.
But anyway, so I'll get that.
Yeah, all right.
That's exactly.
I'm just leaving them there.
Yeah, and I use thumbtacks and other parts where we had that nice soft fake stone.
But so I got up there.
I was like, oh, man, I got to get all these sticks and stuff off the roof.
I do have gutter guards in there.
So I got up on the roof, potatoes down on the ground.
The other kids, we got Bing Crosby blasting at about 100 decibels, by the way.
Non-stop loof.
My wife loves that when I play Bing Crosby non-stop for 31 days of December.
But I got up on the roof and I was like, oh man, I really got to go.
And I realized I had never taken a leak off the roof before.
So talk about living.
I mean, if you haven't taken a leak off the roof, this is the new meme.
You're an age.
I'm pretty sure I beat off of your roof before.
Oh, come on.
So I don't know where the other two kids were, but Potato was down below.
And he's just like dying to climb up the ladder.
I was like, no, please stay down there.
And then the dog was running around.
So I took a leak off the roof.
And Potato thought that was just the damn funniest thing.
You know, he wasn't close to me or whatever, but he was rolling and laughing at the waterfall up the side of the house.
And of course, we're in a rural area.
Not every man can.
There you go.
Take a leak off your roof in a rural area.
That's the true proof that you've made it in terms of liberty.
But I'll never forget the look on his face.
Wow, that's amazing.
You know, whatever.
I tried to show it.
Wasn't too explicit.
He didn't see my junk, but anyway.
Sam, on the other hand, doesn't get the Christmas spirit until like, what, December 24th, right?
You, you extend yours out into January.
That's right.
Christmas season doesn't start until Christmas and then it goes up until February 2nd.
That's right.
And you did something nice with your son recently, Sam.
Do you want to share it or you want to save it?
Well, there was just the birthday party there.
I was going to elaborate, but I had a couple more ideas for Glenn.
I wanted to bounce off him before we end the show and before he leaves.
Please, by all means.
Yeah.
So, well, one of my ideas, just as I was listening to the discourse there, especially in the first hour, was I thought about as far as giving advice to people about their rights or what situations can be like, I recall in the Bible Christ saying, stay out of the courts.
So I would say that should be everyone's number one strategy is if you get into court, like you said there, someone we were saying, if you get into court, just count on losing.
I think Coach said that maybe.
So stay out of the courts is what I would tell people.
So I wonder what, you know, if you kind of concur with that sentiment.
Well, you know, it's an interesting question, but to be honest, we are at a disadvantage.
You are at a disadvantage if you have radioactive views.
But sometimes you just have to go after these bastards, you know.
Yeah.
You may have no choice in a sense.
Yeah, I mean, we have rights, and we certainly, if we don't exercise them, they're going to go away.
If we do exercise them, they may be futile.
But I do think that there are, a good lawyer can punch back if his client has been.
I mean, it does take resources and it does take time.
But I'm sorry to give you a lawyer-like response and say it depends on the circumstances, but I'm not sure it's always a good idea to stay out of the court.
I mean, I do think there are things that can be accomplished.
And so I necessarily, in any way, the operating premise I have.
And then I thought also, what is your as honest as you care to be, or as frank as you care to be?
How can I say this?
I know guys that are our guys, but they would be so cautious or concerned or even afraid, so to speak, like to go to a meetup of white nationalists, oh, out of the question, or to be on a podcast, out of the question, too dangerous.
How do you feel about either what we are doing having this show or what you see other white nationalists doing?
Do you think anything is foolish?
Or you know what I'm saying?
How do you feel about that?
Again, it's a good question when you realize that the Roberta Kaplans have so many resources and they can take things out of context and use them against you.
But someone said, you know, when they take someone and dox them and ruin their vocation, ruin their reputation, sometimes they take a part-time activist and make him into a full-time activist.
Right.
I mean, when you're had much to lose, I guess I still have something to lose, but I think there are occasions where you do need to be cautious about, you know, that people you hang out with, whether they're doing things.
But I don't know.
The more people who speak their minds, I think, you know, that gives courage to other people to speak their minds.
And it's infectious both ways.
It's infectious to have everybody hide in the corner and say nothing, but it's also infectious to have people speaking their views boldly.
So there are bad actors out there.
There are sort of defectives on our side still, but a lot of them have fallen by the wayside.
And I'm just going to tell you, there are lawyers, doctors, special forces veterans, dentists, child psychologists.
I mean, I'm just naming a few of the esteemed professions that white nationalists currently serve.
Yeah, that was going to be my next question to Glenn is our impression of the lawyer profession is that this is like a strongly held enemy territory.
But what do you say to that?
Do you feel like there are plenty of our guys in this lawyer profession?
I know that there are various professions that do attract our guys for sure.
And I can say that I know guys that are in my profession, but what do you think?
Are we right to look at lawyering as being like a really kind of an enemy stronghold, kind of a crooked scheme, or is it better than we think?
I'm sorry to say that you it's probably fair to say that it is occupied territory.
I hesitate to say this, but you know, almost 60% of the graduates now are women.
Right.
I mean, you've got to start, the women have different values than men, of course, in many ways.
So you start with that.
And I think women tend to liberalism of the virtue signaling kind.
So in that respect, it is not a favorable environment.
And then, I mean, there's so much pressure, you know, to try to make a living.
And that's so it's a little hard to know what people would really think if they didn't have the pressures that they have from the necessity to try to make a living and to try to, you know, appear fair to the judge and jury.
All I can say is there has been a tradition, and it's weakening, but that lawyers who are advocates for unpopular causes should be given respect and space.
So I hope that tradition stays alive at least.
Sure.
And finally, do you have any good lawyer jokes?
I do.
I do.
Stop me if you heard this one.
Let it rip.
I don't know if you knew this, but they've decided to stop using lab rats for COVID tests, and they started using lawyers.
But do you know the three reasons why they switched from lab rats to lawyers?
No.
Well, the first one is there's a lab rats have a conscience.
No, go ahead.
The first one is there's a limited supply of lab rats.
The second is some people actually like lab rats.
And the third one is there are just some things that lab rats won't do.
Glenn, any good lawyer movies or books?
You're a big John Grisham fan, I'm sure.
To kill a mockingbird?
Yeah.
You know, it's been a while since I've watched them.
I've been trying to write one, but I haven't.
Yeah, I've been trying to write a novel that has a lawyer in it that is upright, but it's increasingly become fictional.
I saw an old folktale.
Yeah.
What's the difference?
What's the difference between a gigolo and a lawyer?
I don't know.
Tell me.
The gigolo only screws one person at a time.
I got one here real quick for Smasher.
Sorry to derail.
Hey, Smasher, how many feet are there in a yard?
Three.
You're wrong.
It depends on how many people are in the yard.
Dad humor.
Dad humor.
Blame my wife for that one.
Sounds like Niggy was probably the source on that one.
Do you want one more lawyer joke?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Open fire.
This guy goes in to talk to the lawyer and he says, How much do you charge?
The lawyer says, I charge $1,000 to answer three questions.
And the guy says, $1,000 to answer three questions.
Isn't that exorbitant?
And the guy says, hmm, you know, it is exorbitant.
Now, what is your third question?
Very good.
That's a great way to end, Glenn, to highlight how gracious you are, not just for one hour, but for a special bonus hour with Glenn Allen, world's kindest, most sincere, and human attorney.
No offense to my attorney.
Smasher's future attorney.
You know, God knows what kind of attorneys Rolo is going to need in the future.
You don't want to know.
No, I told Mike while we were in Waukesha, I was like, if I ever am subject to any type of court proceedings, I'm just moving into your house and making you do all of it.
Yeah.
Putting himself under house arrest.
Yeah, Mike, Chris Cantwell, I assume you heard Chris in the, did you listen in?
I assume you listened into some of it signs, Kessler, Glenn, and Cantwell's sort of virtuoso pro se advocacy.
Well, you know, I heard about it.
I didn't listen to it.
Okay.
Yeah.
I understand he did quite an admirable job of, you know, zealously presenting the reasons that the real context of what happened, that the Antifa were provoking these actions.
But I don't know much more than that.
Yep, absolutely.
No, yeah, his closing statement was really powerful.
I guess we'll get the transcript sometime in the future, but I haven't seen it yet for the poor folks who didn't get to listen in.
It was a little special moment in time to be there listening to that.
And did it make a difference?
Hopefully, probably, at least in some sense.
And I guess there's still a lot of baseball to play with those confusing and often contradictory verdicts.
So that's not over yet.
All right, everybody, going around the horn.
First off, to Glenn Allen.
Thank you so much for your time, sir.
You were a wonderful host.
I dare say you're welcome back anytime you feel like coming on to chat about the law or fatherhood or grandfatherhood, most importantly.
Okay, I appreciate it.
Thanks a lot, coach.
You got it.
Everybody, go to free expressionfoundation.org.
And if you're in a pinch, hit up Glenn.
And Sam.
Thank you, Sam.
You should ask those questions in the first half.
I'm sorry if I monopolize the questions.
I got my last year that I got to check them off.
That's all right.
I was just sensing the flow of how it was going.
And if I could sneak those questions in, then great, you know?
Sure thing, brother.
Never hesitate to interrupt me, please.
Absolutely.
No, it was great to have Glenn Allen here and the good conversation we all had together.
Damn straight.
Smasher, always hesitate to interrupt me, please.
Okay, you're not as bad as Jo was at least.
I try to get a quick one in there.
JO's doing fine, everybody.
I was just chatting with him online the other day for everybody asking.
But how are the twins, Smasher?
They are pretty good.
They went through their latest sleep regression and haven't yet recovered.
But besides that, they're super healthy.
They're like 14, 15 pounds now.
They're pretty tall.
And they're getting really, really talkative.
And they've both been able to turn over from front to back.
They can't go back to front yet, I don't think.
But yeah, they're doing great.
And they're super cute.
Yeah, they're handsome and they both look completely different.
Am I off base to say, obviously, the newest batch are both boys, but one looks more like older brother and one looks more like older sister?
I think so.
Okay, good.
Well, it's agreed then.
Yeah.
No, yeah, one definitely has that sort of physiognomy of the one and the other one is the other.
Not saying the one boy looks like a girl, of course.
And Rolo, thank you, sir, so much.
Any closing thoughts?
Nope.
Listen to the final storm.
I'll plug it so he doesn't have to.
It's more gracious that way.
Thank you.
You bet.
Happy to.
And what's your Telegram channel?
Now, the Final Storm Uncensored.
Final Storm Uncensored.
Check it out.
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All right.
Full House 110.
Oh, go ahead.
Have you considered putting For Now in quotation marks after the uncensored?
I'll just do that in the next banning.
There you go.
Bang until you hang and then reboot, as my dad used to say about old operating systems.
You know, you just keep plugging away on your computer, then it gets frozen, and then you reboot.
Same thing with social media.
Full House 110 was recorded on a blustery but warm December 2nd, now December 3rd, 2021.
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So to all of our people out there worried about what Jewish law fair might have in store for them or is actively conspiring against them to impose, better call Glenn and donate to the Free Expression Foundation.
To close us out, we did lose two of our own this past week.
I'll just say Cameron and Alex.
I saw an article on counter currents where it was like, why have you?
Nobody's really promoted this or anything like that.
And I'm gripping this coffee mug right now, kind of angry at that because it's A, we don't want to trumpet these things.
B, we don't know all the details.
And C, it's kind of unseemly.
There you go.
Wow, imagine not understanding like positive social cues of the movement and just like common courtesy.
Wow, you stupid.
He wrote a whole article about them dying, which, you know, is a respectful article toward them, but there's that.
However, that said, God bless the family of Alex and Cameron.
I don't know actually what happened there, but it's always a very sad thing when we lose two of our own.
Godspeed to those gentlemen and as well to their families.
And I was driving around the beautiful Appalachian countryside recently, and this song came on.
I was looking around at, I will call it God's Green or maybe Gray Creation this time of year and thinking how wonderful it all was, and yet also how much evil and pain and suffering and frankly, you know, Jewish-imposed misery there is out there.
And it's a mixed bag.
And this song was playing when I had those thoughts.
And I think you'll love it.
It's called New Theory, and it's by a solo artist called Washed Out.
Hail, Glenn.
Hail the birth panel.
Hail all of the full house listenership.
We do love you, fam.
And we will talk to you next week with a U.S. congressional candidate, Smasher.