A tidal wave of indictments and the uncovering of an elite global criminal conspiracy never came to pass under Trump, let alone his defense of his one-time biggest boosters.
But the clock is ticking on what is almost surely the last days of a once seemingly glorious populist revolt.
And we've got special guest and prolific writer Hunter Wallace in the white room with us tonight to break down what really happened amongst our people in the ballot box in 2020.
So, mr producer, buckle our seat belts.
Welcome everyone
to episode 69 of Full House, the world's most committed show for white fathers, aspiring ones and the whole bio fam.
I am, as always, your curious host, Coach Finstock, back with another hour or two of severely crow white entertainment.
Before we meet tonight's birth panel, though, special thanks to our pal, Old Crow, for his donation this week.
That's old Crow, not old crone, for those of you keeping score at home.
I don't know, maybe it is an old crone, but sorry, pal.
Also, thanks to the anonymous donors who have thrown us some crypto shekels the past week.
You know who you are, but we do not.
So thank you guys.
Much appreciated.
And with that, let's get straight on to the birth panel.
First up, take it easy on him this week because he is still in mourning for the passing of Tom Metzger.
Sam, welcome back.
And seriously, were you a Metzger fan back in the day?
Oh, yeah.
See, I grew up with listening to him and reading the war newspaper and then the insurrectionist and his race and reason TV shows.
And I've picked up a lot of his materials through the years and I was going to bring him up.
The passing of a great man.
And if people are not too familiar with him, I really recommend go back and check out some of his things.
Go and look around.
You know, he's got the website, resist.com.
Through the years, he's just had such great stuff and great, I guess you could call him co-hosts and things through the years.
The guy has left us with so many great little quips and things, things that are in my vocabulary I use all the time, you know.
So, yeah, the passing of a great man.
And if you want to contemplate for a moment, put in perspective things that we are going through now, you know, concerns that people have, the way people have tangled with the system, maybe stuff like that.
Look at what happened to him.
Look at what the system did to him.
If you want to consider, like, are things bad now or were things bad then?
I mean, look at what they did to him.
They absolutely destroyed this guy, at least financially.
He continued on in spirit, of course, but the case of him with this getting sued because of somebody else got in a fight and killed somebody.
And that's that.
If you're not familiar with that, I would tell people, go back and check that out.
But he had so many clever things that he said and did.
One of the quips that I use all the time is in discussions with people, you know, people sometimes come to this question like, well, what is a Jew or who is a Jew?
And I agree with his definition, which is everyone is a Jew until proven innocent.
Right.
Yeah, I think it was, yeah, he, you know, I wasn't, I was not that familiar with him.
I saw one of the enemies comment, oh, I'm surprised he wasn't bigger with the alt-right.
And I think it was just, yeah, he hit his prime before America or the world was ready for it.
I think it was Stryker who said, like, if he were alive and in his prime today, he'd be reigning haymakers on the system.
Oh, yeah.
The guy, the guy was so good.
But yeah, a lot of great quips and worth going back and listening and learning from the guy.
But it was fun to be on D Live last week twice.
D Live last week.
I'm trying to work this into a D's nuts joke.
That's like D's nuts live.
Yeah, that was epic.
Last week, we did a live stream and we did one on election night.
And we will do that again.
But it was definitely, it's a different experience when you're going out over the web live.
And I think that, yes, after the show, Mr. Producer and I were like, oh, man, that was terrible.
That was the worst full house yet.
But we just went a little bit too long in the first half beating the election dead horse.
So we're back to beat it again, even deader this week with somebody who has really put in the work.
But we'll get to him in a second.
Thank you, Sam.
Happy to have you back on.
All right.
Next up, he earned his keep on our election night stream, keeping us up to date with breaking news and sharp analysis.
So we're going to let him hang around just for a little bit longer.
He is our resident Russophile and serious political analyst, Harry Flashman.
How the hell are you, pal?
All good.
Glad to be back.
All right.
What are your, you are saying that Trump is dead in the water now, or are you still plan trusting just a little bit?
There's a little bit of plan trusting.
I mean, you know, I think there's some interesting stuff out there in terms of anomalies relative to prior elections, but my full expectation is he's gone.
Okay.
Yeah.
I that is my expectation as well.
And I'm surprised by how many of our guys who I respect the hell out of for their intellect still think Trump is going to be inaugurated the best president.
So I do think I'm predicted his the Trump contract has gone from seven cents to 14 cents over the past few days for what it's worth.
Yeah, it was 14.88 at one point.
So yeah, everybody had a chuckle for it.
Guaranteed victory.
Thanks, buddy, and welcome back.
Finally, our special and very patient guest.
He is the editor-in-chief of Occidental Dissent, featured author on the Uns Review, a longtime white advocate.
And last but not least, he is the very first guy I know who smelled a very big rat in the Trump administration and was not afraid to say so.
Also, as an expert on American accents, I would estimate his to be from somewhere near Boston, Massachusetts.
It's got to be Hunter Wallace.
Welcome to the full house, buddy.
Thanks for having me, Coach.
Our pleasure.
And how are you?
First time on the show.
Life treating you well?
Yeah, yeah, doing good.
It feels like the end of an era.
Feels like something is over.
Indeed.
Yeah, that has always been a sort of a temptation or a light at the end of the tunnel of unshackling ourselves from this wholly unsatisfactory and arguably dishonest train of MAGA.
But we will dig into that.
But before we do that, standard fare for full house first-time guests, please share with the audience your ethnicity, your religion, and your fatherhood status, if you would.
Well, proud father of a six-year-old, Southern of British ancestry, and a Lutheran.
Oh, right.
Kind of unusual combination, but that's how Lutheran from birth?
No, no, through conversion.
My wife, her family was Lutheran.
Oh, they made you convert to get hitched in the chapel.
I was already drifting in that direction.
Very cool.
And you still in the game?
You want to have more or is one and done for you?
Hopefully for more.
Hopefully more.
OutroLing.
Awesome.
And without doxing, you're Alabamian, right?
That's correct.
Yeah.
Very good.
All right.
Hunter, let's just get right into the politics thing.
I don't want to beat around the bush.
For our guys online, white nationalists, pro-whites, whatever, the whole 5% thing took off.
And that was the result of a screen cap during election night, I remember from one exit poll that said that Trump was outperforming everybody except for white males where he was down by 5%.
And then there was another one I saw, I think it was a CNN Emberson exit poll, which said that he was down actually 13% with whites.
But just generally, what happened with the white electorate in this election?
You know, top lines, and then we'll dig down a little bit.
Well, what happened with the white electorate is that Joe Biden won a lot more whites than Hillary Clinton did.
And Trump's a larger percentage of whites, right?
Rough.
All the whites who voted.
Yeah, I mean, what basically happened here is that Joe Biden won something like, I think, 42, 43% of the white vote, which is three or four or five points better than Hillary did in, when was it last time, 2016, and around Obama 2, around Obama 2008 level of the white vote for Joe Biden?
And as everyone has noticed that Trump's margin with the white vote, you know, came down 5%.
That's what everybody's saying.
And literally every single demographic out there that I've looked at, I can tell you, for example, LGBT, he doubled his share of the LGBT vote.
He got, I think, according to the exit poll, four points more with blacks, seven points with Asians.
I forget what it is with Hispanics.
It varies because there's so many different Hispanic ethnic groups.
I think it was something like 4%.
Sure.
Slightly up with white women, which was a big surprise to all the pollsters.
He won more Muslims.
Mormons came home to Trump.
Where was it going?
Yeah, he got 3% of the Jewish, more of the Jewish votes.
That's Jexodus.
We talked about.
Blexit was worth 4% of the black vote.
And then, of course, he won far more conservatives and Republicans than last time.
He did a lot better with Republicans and conservatives than last time.
No McMullen or no McMuffin and no Trump frenzy whipped up this time.
Now, are you just going to say, are you basing these strictly off of exit poll dating?
Is it just one data set or do we have, is that all you can extrapolate from election data?
Or is there some other way to find out like who actually voted?
Yeah, well, there's two things you got to look at.
You got to look at the exit poll.
And I think this is the Edison exit poll, and it's used by the New York Times, CNN, a bunch of different news outlets.
That's the main exit poll.
And this is going to be, and then the exit poll, of course, will be updated, I think, is, I think in like two, three months when they get voter file information and they'll be able to get a better grip on what happened.
But you can, okay, you got, so you got two things.
You got the actual results, the actual results on the ground in counties and states.
And you got what the exit poll is saying.
And what the exit poll, of course, is saying is that, you know, Trump just did a little bit better with every group except white men.
And when you look at white men, it was, you know, he did better with conservatives.
He did a lot better with Republicans.
He brought a lot of those people home that weren't with him last time.
And it's absolutely crystal clear from what I'm looking at where his problem is.
And that's how he got massacred with independents and moderates across like every swing state I've looked at.
He won the independent vote last time in 2016 in pretty much every state.
I think like Virginia was one.
He won independence.
He'd been in Virginia.
Even while losing, he won independence there.
But in all the swing states, he loses independence.
And his margin with moderates, Joe Biden wins a lot more moderate.
So the election was lost for Trump in the center of the electorate.
It wasn't on the right.
In fact, he did a lot better on the right.
It was in the center.
It was with right-wing independent men making less than $100,000 a year.
Right.
Yeah.
That's where the election was lost.
Right-wing independent men didn't either flip to Joe Biden or didn't or more likely just didn't show up in the same numbers they did last time.
That's why the independent vote shifts 11 points toward Joe Biden because either those men flip to Joe Biden, which I don't think is as likely.
I think a lot of these people just stayed out.
They didn't show up.
And that's what broke the whole election.
That was the broke his base.
And he crumbled and plummeted.
I mean, what was it?
Like nearly 80, 90 votes in the Electoral College because literally the reason because right-wing Indies men, that's his problem.
I mean, anyone who anyone looks at the data can tell you that.
That's the problem.
Yeah, Flashman hop in there.
So I might offer a little bit of a different take that may not, at the end of the day, even really disagree with what you're saying.
But like when I look at sort of county by county data, and I, to be honest, I don't believe in like exit, preliminary exit polls.
They're trash.
Like if you look at margins of error on like sub-demographic like income breakdowns, particularly in an age where everybody votes by mail, like I just like they're not, they're not useful.
Like I just I don't think they're very useful.
So I won't even address like the exit poll issue.
But like if you look at if you look at my county in a wealthy mid-Atlantic state that's that's overwhelmingly white, Trump dropped in that county by like 13%.
And you see that pattern repeated over and over and over again.
Like it wasn't the rurals.
It wasn't the all white, like white working class counties.
Like you go to those and like broadly speaking, you look at any state.
He's he's in range with what his margin was in 2016.
Maybe he was plus two.
Maybe he was minus two.
Gary Jamson's not on the ballot.
Like who knows?
But like I'll give you some specific examples without mine.
Like Clackamas County, Oregon, which is a suburb of Portland.
You know, he lost to Biden by 11 points.
In 2016, that same county, he lost by six points.
If you go to Bucks County, Pennsylvania, which is a famous sort of bellwether, he lost to Clinton by one point.
If you look at in 2016, sorry, if you look at 2020, he lost to Biden by nearly five points.
Like it's very clear that his problem was upper class, upper income whites.
Like this pattern is repeated again and again and again.
Counties he won by 80% or 70% or 60%, the real rural white working class counties, he held his own.
He got destroyed in these sort of suburb high-income counties.
And that makes sense based on what you would expect before the election, right?
That he was alienating educated people.
He was alienating white people.
But then we do see these data that says that he did better with people earning over $100,000.
To be honest with you, I just don't buy that.
I think exits are garbage.
The data itself on paper, if you look at county by county, completely refutes that.
Well, I mean, the thing is, I mean, all kinds of people live in these counties.
So according to the exit poll, like Trump just killed it with the upper middle class.
Like he won the, I mean, last time, if according to the exit polls, last time he split the upper middle class with Hillary.
But this time, like, he just destroyed Joe Biden in the upper middle class over $100,000 category.
Now, as you said, you know, like he's losing a lot of from what I've seen, like, it varies.
And I was just looking at this tonight.
Let me give you an example.
In Ohio, he flipped, Joe Biden flipped the upper middle class, right?
But in Virginia, it was the opposite.
The upper middle class flipped to Trump.
In Georgia, the upper middle class flipped to Biden.
But in Wisconsin and Michigan, the people who voted for Trump tended to be a lot wealthier.
Like it was the Paul Ryan crowd.
So like, let me give you an example.
Like in Ohio and North Carolina, with white working class turnout, became a much larger share of the electorate.
So Trump in Ohio lost these college-educated, college-educated whites, indie whites, upper middle class whites, and killed it by increasing the white working class share of the electorate.
Now, in other states, that wasn't the case.
In Georgia, for example, in Georgia, it was both the white working class and the college-educated whites.
In Arizona, is where I've seen it the biggest.
It was the working class whites in Arizona that turned on, that turned on Trump and destroyed him there.
So, so like in Pennsylvania, the white working class was about, or the share of the electorate didn't drop.
It was the college-educated.
So, this is kind of confusing.
Like, you're getting a number of different results in different places.
Let me give a couple other data points just because I think they really show the plot.
Like, if you go to Texas, right?
Like, and forget about the Rio Grande Valley, which, you know, I think it's pretty clear Hispanics did vote more for Trump and he did better than those counties.
Well, I mean, you can look at the returns and Williamson County, Texas, which is a suburb of Austin.
He beat Hillary Clinton by 10 points there.
He lost to Biden by a point.
Fort Worth, he beat Hillary by nine points.
He lost to Biden outright by less than a point.
So you just, this pattern you see again and again and again and again across states, across everywhere, where these counties that are pretty effing white that are suburbs of major cities were disasters for Trump.
And like the fact that Republicans did better in the House elections and in the Senate than expected actually puts a finer point on it, which is, you know, broadly speaking, the Republicans did well.
It was Trump specifically who did terribly in these counties.
Yeah.
So you guys aren't necessarily in disagreement.
It's just about the results in the counties.
The question is, is who in okay, we both agree that like Trump lost a lot of these suburban counties.
But who in this, who is it?
What kind of white voter in those suburban counties did he lose?
Was it conservatives?
Yeah, okay, with conservatives, he's done gone way up.
That's right.
I don't want to belabor the point, but like, that's where, to me, anyway, and I could be very wrong about this about a lot of things.
You look at the rural counties that are very much WWC, and he did very well there.
So to me, that just suggests his problem was not amongst the white working class.
It was amongst suburban, mushy conservatives.
And like, you know, it's just for us, like, it just, it, it just matters what conclusions do we draw.
Yeah, but the question is, if, if, if his problem, if his problem was wealthy, college-educated, suburban Republicans, why are all the exit polls in all the states saying that, okay, well, he's killing it with Republicans.
Um, he's killing it with conservatives.
Um, white work, uh, the upper middle class, it varies.
Like I said, um, flipped it in Virginia in his favor, lost it in Georgia.
Um, I haven't looked the two states I haven't studied yet, Texas and Florida, from what I understand, um, white suburbanites in Texas turned on Trump.
And even though he carried his base Hispanics in the southern part of the state, uh, he did worse overall.
But the question, the question is, is who is it in these counties that is turned against Trump?
And there's no doubt about it.
It's it's independents and moderates.
It's not conservatives, it's not Republicans.
And to say the exit polls are off, okay, well, maybe one.
Okay, let me give you an example of an exit poll that's off.
That's Nevada.
In Nevada, the exit poll said that it was like the race in Clark County, for example, was within two points.
But actually, in Clark County, the result was just like it was last time.
So that's an example of an error in an exit poll.
But when all the exit polls in all the states say that Trump is getting killed with white independent men, I mean, that's a pattern.
So here's my theory.
And you tell me if you're wrong.
Trump moved to the right on economics and he won these college-educated, suburban, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, sock Republicans.
But where he lost in these same counties was white, college-educated, working-class independents who are making less than $100,000 a year.
It's not the cocky suburbanites.
It's the, I mean, because a lot of like Texas and Texas is one example of a place where everybody lives in the suburbs, basically.
And Samsure, I think, is Wisconsin.
It's a very suburban state.
Everyone lives in the suburbs.
And it's these whites who are independents who are making less than $100,000.
Looks to me where he collapsed.
I mean, I've seen no evidence that it's wealthy Republicans that are turning on.
Yeah, and we're probably going to just have to agree and disagree there because, again, I'll go back to my county.
There's no underclass, like there's no white working class.
It's all upper middle class to upper class whites.
And he lost by relative to 2016 by 13 points there.
Oakland County in Michigan, which is like extremely rich.
He went from 14 points.
Sorry.
He lost Oakland County by eight points in 2016.
He lost it by 15 in 2020.
So I just, I think you look at these bellwethers where the average voter is upper class and he did really shitty.
And does that mean that he didn't lose like working class?
Like, you know, maybe at the margins, he lost some.
But again, if you look at the, if you look at the counties that are all working class whites, he outperformed there.
So I just, I don't see the evidence.
Like the exit polls say differently, but that's sort of where I come from.
And we can say, why not both, right?
I mean, Trump is a polarizing figure, and our guys who are working class to highly educated alike either sat on their hands or wrote in a naughty candidate.
And we're not alone, right?
We think that we're the only ones who get it or who get pissed off with our access to information and dissident data, et cetera.
But yeah, but it totally makes sense.
Ironically, it is important for us to sort of nail this down because the messaging we take going forward depends on that answer, right?
Like there's a different answer if we've lost, completely lost educated people than it is if we've lost Joe Welder.
Good point.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I mean, what educated the question is, is what educated, how did he lose that?
Is it because people flipped to Biden or is it because his supporters, right-wing, educated, college-educated independents making less than $100,000 a year, didn't show up.
And so they're not included in the exit poll.
They didn't participate.
They sat it out.
And that's why, well, I mean, that's a good question.
And again, I have not done anything comprehensive on this.
So take it with a grain of salt.
But if you, I did look at sort of like his bellwether, like hardcore 85% plus vote counties, you know, in rural Ohio and Michigan, Oregon.
He got the same amount of votes he did in 2016.
And those counties aren't growing.
Like he got the same turnout.
Like those people came to vote.
So again, that just lends, I mean, for me, and again, I could be very wrong, but for me, that lends credence to the theory that his problems are elsewhere.
All right.
And I wanted to touch real quick, Hunter, on whites, whites defecting to Biden is especially working class whites who defected to Biden is especially difficult to stomach considering that Kamala was on the ticket.
They've just been subject to months of black riots and COVID lockdowns and small businesses shutting down.
Maybe I'm out of touch, but it's just impossible to consider a classic middle American blue-collar guy in particular defecting to the Democrats just for what?
Like national health care and more Gibbs.
That I can't square.
I prefer not to look at that.
I think it's what I think is far more likely is that he lost in the middle of the electorate because his people, I mean, all these right-wing independent shitlords, you know, just didn't show up.
And that's why the independent and the moderate vote, you know, swings so dramatically 11 points because those people like who were there to block all the other people just weren't excited.
So like in a place like Wisconsin, for example, you know, white lefty indie moderates in places like Dane County, Wisconsin, you know, came out in force for Joe Biden.
But where was the people to offset that?
The right-wing, independent, you know, Pepe edgelord type.
You know, I mean, we've seen what their view of the election has been, how that's changed over the last four years.
I mean, it's just clear to me, well, my opinion is that Trump decisively moved to the right on economics.
He sat there his whole, I mean, if you look, if you look at, if you look at the exit poll, right, and then you look at his campaign, the election results and reflect who he campaigned for.
The exit poll says, you know, he just killed it in the upper income bracket.
His whole campaign was about how great the stock market is doing.
Base blacks, for example, platinum plan.
Which does appeal to upper middle classes.
His message.
Yeah, I mean, like, the messaging and the strategy of the campaign were appealing to upper income whites for economic reasons, the tax cuts and deregulation and whatever.
And another part of it we haven't discussed is seniors and how that varied from state to state to state to state.
One big part of it was seniors swung against Trump and swung to Biden.
We haven't discussed that over, probably over COVID.
Sure.
You got anything on Geners?
No, the only thing on seniors I've got is just a funny topic because the left memed itself into sort of like Trump is going to lose by like 30 points with seniors due to COVID.
And I think it's pretty obviously clear that didn't happen, like by and large.
Maybe there's state-state variations, but you don't win Florida by more than 2016 while getting destroyed with seniors.
Yeah.
And I'm going to do a little, I know the WhigNats have been doing a little bit of wheelies in the parking lot for, I mean, it's undeniable that Trump underperformed with whites, and we can figure, we can nail that down, whether it was working class stiffs or indie whites or even the upper middle class ones who were turned off by his shtick, etc.
But the thing about the GOP and the, even if it was way worse than this, if he got killed due to getting lost, losing whites, we knew the GOP was going to latch on to his relative overperformance with minorities moving down the tree of life here.
So, Coach, what's interesting is that the GOP, if it's interested in its own survival, which it may not be, as we all know, but like one of the interesting things that I've sort of picked up on is that GOP House candidates were actually hardercore than Trump in the sense that they went very, very much at the to fund the police, like, you know, Yell them, riots.
Like they were, they went hard.
My understanding is based on what I've read that they went, they were not afraid of going after that, and they did better than Trump.
So to me, that's like, yeah, that's a lesson we should take from that.
Like, you know, suburban, whether it's suburban voters or white working class, like they're receptive to that message.
Yep.
And we've been saying it for years.
All right.
So the overperformance with minorities then, let's dig into that just a little bit before moving on.
He did better with blacks by a little bit, which is understandable considering how much he pandered and how much he promised.
And he did significantly better with Hispanics, but it varied by region.
So the reverse sailor strategy or the unsailer strategy bit him in the ass.
But yeah, what did you see there, Hunter?
Well, I saw it was negative one with blacks.
This is from memory now.
Negative one with blacks in Pennsylvania.
I think it was negative one or two with blacks in North Carolina.
But in North Carolina, there was a much larger black turnout for Joe Biden.
So in North Carolina, he slipped with blacks from last time and blacks came out more in force.
I think in Georgia, it was plus two or three with blacks.
So he did better with blacks in Georgia.
In Michigan, I think it was plus two with blacks.
But in Michigan, the electorate actually went from 80%.
I mean, sorry, 75% white to 80% white in Michigan.
So it actually whitened up in Michigan.
And in Wisconsin, I want to say he posted plus one with blacks in the state.
Stayed the same.
So like from what I remember, in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, I'm sorry, Pennsylvania and Michigan, the electorate was wider.
And in Wayne County specifically, where Detroit is, it was everywhere but Detroit that had the big increase in turnout.
So the suburbs of Wayne County.
So this idea that, you know, blacks are just stealing it in the middle of the night in Detroit doesn't seem to be based on anything.
In fact, it was the white working class in Michigan.
And two things happened in Michigan.
Trump lost significant ground with the white working class in Michigan.
And the people who replaced those people tended to be more, far more upscale, richer, wealthier Republicans who came in to fill the gap.
So he tried to win with a different coalition this time and lost there by like three points.
Yep.
And we are operating under the assumption that he has lost, that there was fraud, but that the GOP is kind of pissing up a rope.
You know, even from the establishment shills like Carl Rove and others who say like, yeah, you can do recounts until the cows come home, but there's never been a recount that changed this much.
Plus the fact the ballots are already separated from their envelopes and you can't just like say this one's bad, et cetera, at least easily this time.
Flashman, before we go on to the significance of this, you got anything else you want to chime in with based on your homework?
He's got it.
All right.
So, Hunter, the implications of this, my worst, there's, okay, so there's a bunch of different scenarios that could play out here.
The most likely one, of course, is that Trump loses by a squeaker.
GOP learns the worst possible lesson, which is that pandering does pay off and they'll just say that, you know, the election was stolen, even if the big Whigs don't buy that narrative and aren't giving it too much lip service.
And then Trump goes off to form Trump TV and his MAGA followers have a huge chip on their shoulder and they stay wedded to that false pop, that false populism.
And we are just sitting on the sidelines as there's the lemmings for Trump in absentia.
And then Biden and Kamala are running the show with the Senate.
Is that, yeah, how do we counteract that?
Is that a good thing for us, that scenario?
I mean, what would be your best case scenario coming out of this?
Well, the best case scenario, in my opinion, would be that, you know, Trump would take the loss and go back to being a businessman.
He's not going to do that.
He'll probably.
No, no, no.
It'll be punish Blump for the next four years.
It'll start like Trump TV.
The election was completely stolen from me.
And you already see a lot of people, even in our spear of Twitter, who's saying, or who are convinced, you know, that it was actually fraud that stole the election by narrowing his margin of victory in 42.
What do we think about the, and maybe it's a meme and it could be completely fake news because I sporadically see this stuff, but like the notion that turnout in Philly, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Atlanta was like orders of magnitude higher than anything historically and orders of magnitude higher than other major cities.
Like I've seen that take.
I like it.
Sure.
Like that fits like, you know, what I want to believe, but like I don't know if there's any factual basis for it.
I mean, when I looked at, when I looked at, when I looked at turnout in Milwaukee, for example, and I don't know how it's changed over the last three, four, five days, but it looked like, I mean, I remember when Trump won last time, people, I mean, the take on election night was, you know, black turnout in Milwaukee is way down from 2012.
And so Hillary underperformed Obama 2012.
And it looks, when I checked turnout in Milwaukee County, it looked like turnout was in between Obama 2012 and Hillary 2016.
Joe Biden came in like somewhere in the middle of that.
In Philadelphia, when I checked Philadelphia, it looked like Trump had actually, Philadelphia had actually swung red.
That Trump won some wards in Northeast Philly and South Philly, I guess Italians, and not blacks with the platinum plan, that's for sure.
And Trump performed better in Philadelphia proper in 2020 than he did in 2016.
Now, like I said, this frustrating, maddening thing with million ballots is that, you know, takes change by the day as these things are counted.
I'm looking at it now.
2016, Hillary was 82.3 and Trump was 15.3.
So far, 2020, Biden is 81.2 and Trump is 18.1.
So if I remember the numbers correctly, he's improved marginally.
But I guess the important thing is just turnout.
Like it is turnout bigger or lower.
If I'm not mistaking, turnout in Philly was it better with, I think it was better with Hillary than it was with Obama for some reason.
Don't quote me on that, but if you check the 2016 numbers of turnout on Philly, I believe it was higher than Obama.
Yeah, it's not dramatically different.
So it looks like basically 700,000 votes in Philadelphia County in 2020.
Yeah, 2016, 700,000 votes.
I mean, it's the same.
It's the suburbs.
It's the suburbs of, it's eastern Pennsylvania and all those suburbs is where Trump is getting killed.
And I mean, that's where the, I mean, you can say he's losing it.
There's no doubt about that.
What would you say about that?
That it's not Philadelphia so much as is eastern Pennsylvania, which has gone far more for Biden than Hillary.
No, I mean, you know, again, going to my narrative from the election, like Bucks County is huge.
You know, he went from losing it by less than a point to losing it by five points.
And that's, you know, in Pennsylvania, that's the election.
Yeah, it was from what I saw, it was college.
From what I saw, if I remember seeing the thing, the graphs, and it was the white working class in Philadelphia and Pennsylvania stuck with Trump, but it was college-educated men who flipped to Biden.
Now, the question there is, and the leadering question to me is, is that because college-educated men who supported Trump flipped to Biden, or is it because college-educated men, independent men, especially, didn't show up?
And that's why they're not in the next one.
So I don't know.
My sort of sense is flip just because the turnout numbers are roughly equivalent.
Like, it's not like, I mean, and granted, like all this, like you come up with, like, oh, well, maybe whites didn't show up, but then blacks did.
And then, like, who the who that knows?
Sorry, excuse me.
Yeah, the pattern, the pattern it looks like to me is that he's losing moderate independent men everywhere.
And all over the country, he's trying to like make that up in some ways.
Like, I'll give you three examples, four examples.
In Ohio, it was he lost this, he lost this ground with moderate, independent white men who flipped to Biden or just checked out.
And he made that up by ginning up white working class turnout, winning more Republicans and more conservatives.
That's how he won Ohio.
So it looks like, you know, it looks like if you look at Ohio in 2020, it's just a few blue dots.
The state overall, the state looks redder, but it's just a few blue dots.
That's how it looks.
And North Carolina.
To the very highest level.
Yeah.
He won Ohio and Iowa by a point or two less than he did in 2016.
And a point or two is what cost him the election.
And, you know, that without getting into the subgroup breakdowns, I mean, it's almost as simple as that.
In North Carolina, let me give you another example.
In North Carolina, the white share of the electorate in North Carolina was one of the few states I saw actually declining because blacks had an enormous turnout for Biden in North Carolina.
And upper middle class, upper, the upper middle class, just the people you were talking about in North Carolina actually moved toward Biden.
And Trump made that up and won North Carolina by winning more conservatives, more Republicans.
And if I'm not mistaken, white college educated voters outnumbered white working class voters in North Carolina last time, but it flipped this time.
So white working class voters were a larger share of the electorate in North Carolina and college educated voters were a smaller share.
And he found new white working class voters in the eastern part of the state.
In Florida.
I have an interesting data point on that since you mentioned North Carolina.
Johnston County is like the biggest suburb of Raleigh.
In 2016, he won Johnston County by 30.3%.
So far in 2020, he's winning by 24%, which would completely explain his lower margin in the state.
And again, I have to assume that county is sort of like suburban whites.
So in both Ohio and Florida, it's independent white men who are leaving.
He's finding various solutions.
I'm sorry, both Ohio and North Carolina.
It's independent white men who are.
Do you think it's men or men and women?
Like I said, I'm not exactly sure.
It varies, but it's definitely white independent men who are either flipping to Biden or not showing up and it's changing the ratio.
So like, and he's finding other, he's finding solutions to come up with this.
For example, do you think the GOP knows that and just has their head in the sand?
I mean, they see the same data, right?
Like, they're literally that willing to.
The GOP knows exactly what's going on with that.
So it's just incredible to speak.
So here's my narrative the way I think.
So white independent men making under $100,000 a year or what's killing Trump.
He had them last time.
He doesn't have them this time for whatever reason.
They either flip into Biden or didn't show up.
And he has to come up with various solutions to not drown because of that.
So in Michigan, he tried to jump.
He won a lot more.
In Michigan and Wisconsin, the Republican vote went a lot more upscale than it did last time.
Last time he won fewer conservatives and fewer Republicans.
This time he won a lot more.
And he won wealthier people in Michigan and Wisconsin.
And we all would have thought from the rallies, et cetera, that he was going to keep his MAGA, which we would assume is blue-collar, middle-income, and lose all those upper income.
The place where it was, okay, in two things.
I remember on election night, people were like, well, wow, Trump's going to win Virginia.
He's doing so great in Loudown County or something, right?
And I don't know exactly what happened with the mailing ballots, but like all the Republicans were like, Virginia shouldn't have been called or something like this.
They said he was doing good in Virginia.
Now, I looked at it.
To be fair, since I was guilty of being one of those people, states that are ultimately won by single digits should not be called before any votes are in.
So in Georgia, in Georgia, right?
Georgia was the biggest dumpster fire.
Well, two places.
Georgia and Arizona, the two biggest dumpster fires I saw.
In Georgia, it was literally like he's down with white women.
He's down with white men.
He's down with white college educated voters.
He's down with white working class voters.
White vote.
And here's another interesting thing.
So like the white vote in South Carolina stays completely stable, except for independence.
In Georgia, it's just like wipe out, like independence gone.
Like everything's gone.
Somebody once said that Georgian white conservatives are more cucky than other southerners.
I don't know if that's true.
So the bottom line here is that in Georgia, he didn't find a solution to his problem.
Now, in Florida, the same things happen.
I want to say, correct me if I'm wrong, Flashman, but didn't Duvall County flip to Biden?
It was a Trump County last time.
Which county is Duvall?
Jacksonville.
Okay, hold on.
Give me two seconds.
So Biden definitely won Duvall.
He won it by four points.
Yeah, so it did flip.
Yeah, Trump won it by a point and that's a point and a half.
Yeah, so in Florida, in Florida, he's also losing.
I mean, look at every state.
Every state, it's, you know, Biden is just killing Trump with independence.
And in Florida, the solution was Hispanics in the southern part of the state.
As everyone knows, he did so much better with Miami-Dade.
I think Florida is where we can agree, right?
Because like Jacksonville obviously flipped.
Duval flipped, but like, I'll just give like a example county, Holmes County in the panhandle.
Trump won 88 to 10 in 2016.
In 2020, he won 89 to 10.
And yeah, like so, so his base of the rural like white working class voter was definitely there.
He completely himself with uh sorry, language again.
He completely effed himself with the uh suburban, more moderate voter.
Yeah, so yeah, okay, and so various solutions to this.
So in Texas, like we already, we already just, we already, you know, said the suburbs just, you know, Trump was killed in, I think, suburban Fort Worth, Dallas, Houston, and he wins more Mexicans in the southern part of the state.
And conservatives are so excited.
He underperformed.
John Cornyn won more votes in Texas.
It's embarrassing.
And they're like, oh, he, he's, he's, it's a new Republican party.
It's a new day.
Like, like, Trump is like, this is a new Republican Party that we lost with.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
No, in Nevada.
No, at least we lost, but we lost with diversity.
Yeah, no, Nevada.
Nevada was supposed to be close, but now it looks, now it looks just like it did last time in Clark, except he's doing worse in Washoe County and Reno.
And then in Arizona, in Arizona, in Arizona, the fucking wipeout is, I'm sorry.
Excuse my language.
We're all violating the rules at this point.
Yeah.
So sorry about that.
I apologize.
In Arizona, the white working class vote is where I saw the most dramatic swing in the exit polls.
And it was in the Phoenix area.
White working class in Phoenix area just plummet, plummeted on Trump.
And he did better with, he's doing better with Hispanics in Arizona.
So he's doing better with black vote in Arizona is negligible.
Almost non-existent.
He's doing better with Hispanics.
He's getting killed with.
That's actually the thing that's crazy is that he did better with Hispanics in Texas in a material way, but then that doesn't seem to have helped him in Arizona.
Like, that's one thing I can't square that circle because you can make an argument like, okay, Florida, like Venezuelans, Cubans, there's specific reasons why he does better with them.
But then why you would do materially better with Mexicans in Texas, but then not improve at all in New Mexico and Arizona is kind of weird.
Yeah.
I mean, well, there's also some questions like, why is he getting destroyed with the upper middle class in Georgia?
But have it, you know, one explanation might be like ads and stuff, right?
How many millions of dollars did Biden spend on it?
So in South Carolina, the upper middle class vote is fine for Trump.
And in Virginia, it actually flipped toward Trump.
Trump won the upper middle class in Virginia.
But I guess in Florida, I'm sorry, in Georgia, it's gone.
So maybe that's because they dumped up $400 million ads or something there.
I don't know.
If I'm taking what both of you guys have said for a while, let's move on here a little bit, you election nerds.
No, I'm sorry.
But yeah, if Trump, and I said he was going to lose from a long time ago, and then you could see it getting closer toward the end.
Doesn't matter what you thought, as Mr. Producer says, nobody cares about your predictions and whether they were right or wrong.
Mr. Producer also wanted maximum chaos out of the election.
And he said, we've only gotten chaos.
But yeah.
Here's one election thing.
One election.
Here's a question.
So where are we at in the electorate?
That is a question I have not seen ask.
For example.
You mean white nationalists or white advocates?
Well, okay, like if you look at the, if you look at, I think I put out a thing earlier I saw on my timeline.
Okay, definitely 5% of whites say that their race is extremely important to their identity.
And it's like 15% of white say it's very important to their identity.
And if you look at the data on where we're at in the electorate, okay, The more poorest, the most downscale whites, the ones that say, and the divorced men, especially, say that white identity is the most important to them.
Independents, I'm pretty sure of this, that people who are pro-white are overrepresented amongst dramatically amongst independents and traditional non-voters.
So, like, and this is this matches what I see, you know, on the internet, like people who are pro-white tend to be extremely, extremely cynical about politics.
They're not regular Republicans.
They're independents.
They, they might show up to vote for one candidate, but they don't come out like every election and they're not just standard Republicans.
They're independents.
And they're downscale.
They tend to be downscale independents.
So, like, my view of it is that those people didn't like what Trump was selling in the Trump presidency.
Not just like the, I mean, of course, WigNats, of course, of course, like the Wignat 5% thing.
Of course, there were plenty of WigNats who voted for Trump and who were disappointed and didn't vote for him.
So they are appointed.
They are part of that 5% thing.
But there's a lot of stuff going on there.
There's seniors that have turned against them over COVID.
They're independent people who have nothing to do with us who just are disgusted for the same reasons and either flipped to Biden or didn't, or more likely didn't come out.
Yeah, I mean, my take always was that he snuck in on a wing and a prayer in 2016 by having magic in a bottle.
His shtick were thin.
He didn't have big margins to lose.
And two things he could have done in this sort of transitions toward us going forward is he could have just come off as a little bit more presidential, a little bit less borish, given the office, because humans actually do.
I was thinking about margins.
That would have been huge.
Also, like he could have just agreed to whatever Pelosi's crazy stimulus plan was.
That probably would have helped him.
Yeah, what's a trillion?
A trillion.
There'd be no downside.
Yeah, exactly.
Like people forget about the freaking shutdown.
Everybody thinks, oh, the shutdown is going to do this.
But the other thing in terms of just moderating his behavior and just a little bit and not turning off all those wilting lilies in the suburbs is to throw us a little bit of red meat.
Just a little bit of red identity.
If he just said white unemployment once, all of us starving and thirsty wanderers in the desert would have not justifiably celebrated.
He did throw us a little red meat in the campaign.
And he stood in a lot earlier, but critical races going on about the suburbs and ending the crazy Obama sexually housing thing.
He kind of got it at the end.
But again, it just points out that he should have done that a lot earlier.
Yeah.
Tom Hunter's question about who we are and how much we are.
I mean, I would estimate our guys to be roughly maybe 1% of the white electorate.
5% is too aggressive.
Obviously, there's not 5% of us that are all shit posters on the internet and totally woke to the Jews and racial questions, but we are not insignificant.
And we're not that difficult to please, right?
Okay.
My view of it is where most of us are in the electorate are right-wing independents really on the front lines, moderate, in the populist, moderate quadrant of the electorate, right on the front lines is where all these right-wing independents are because they tend to be downscale, traditional non-voters or not Republicans,
but not really conservatives.
So My view of it is that, you know, we were really in 2016.
If you look back on it in 2016, when everybody was super hyped up and was excited and the independent vote flipped to Trump and then it collapsed.
And I think we really were like, I'm not joking.
I think we really were the front line of Trump's literally like, you know, the work completely different.
Like online Trump support was just a different world in 2016 than it is today.
And those people were Indies.
Well, possibly they were.
I would like to offer a couple of observations.
Trump, for guys like us, or I'll say guys like me, maybe Trump was a or is a symbol of something that we think that he is.
The deeper analysis is that he's not really that thing, of course.
But regardless, maybe now that's more clear, but going back, especially to 2016, or maybe even up to this current time, people look at Trump as a symbol for something.
And that's why people, you know, he did get some of our guys' votes for sure, you know, and in 2016, he did get a lot of our guys' votes.
But it just begs the question, like for people who, as you say, flip to vote for Biden, like what in the world makes you think that this is a candidate?
You know, like, what is Biden the symbol of for crying out loud?
You know, it's like disgusting.
But so I offer that.
I know we're getting to the top of the hour.
I just wanted to offer a few observations as I was listening.
And this thing about the suburbs and then like Harry, you were mentioned about the, you know, the more upscale county or the more upscale suburbs and things like that.
Where I live, I could take you for a ride.
And let's say you lived where I live and you would say, well, I'd like to move to the better area.
I say, okay, let's go for a ride.
You want to go for a ride?
So we go for a ride and I show you the better area.
Like, yeah, okay, this looks good.
Yeah.
Okay.
So then if we get out of our car, it's all fantasy, of course, but we start maybe doing a survey from house to house.
What's the net income of this house?
Does the man and the woman, the husband and the wife both work?
Oh, yes.
And what's their average salary of all the people we talk to?
What's the average income of the house?
Oh, it's $250,000, $300,000.
And so that's why this community is different.
But do you see that that's not an organic community?
A real community that is not subject to all these racial problems we have would be we have working people and we have a couple of wealthy people and there's the doctor and the lawyer and there's the firemen and the policemen and the mail carriers and the workers in the local factory or foundry or whatever it is.
That's how a real community is.
It's to live in this fancy community means that you got to have this outrageous income.
Well, here's one question that I have about these counties.
How many people who are living in these counties are younger white men who are downwardly mobile?
So let's say you're living in mom and dad's house in say suburban Atlanta and you're all into internet meme culture and you're sunk in like college student loan debt and you don't got a great job.
Yeah, you live in the county.
Yeah, you're college educated, but your economic situation is pretty precarious.
How many of these people who were literally living in mom and dad's basement in, say, Cobb County, Gwinnett County, Georgia, went out and voted for Trump as an independent in 2016 and just didn't show up this time.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, the other thing is you have to keep in mind all these people you're describing, the educated, the less educated income groups of this and that, and which percent went broke which way and changed or flipped or improved or diminished.
Our people, by and large, are very deracinated.
And like you were citing some things there, what percentage of people think their race is important as part of their identity and then very important all that.
Among the non-white races, those numbers are like completely flipped in their ratio to non-whites.
Their race is extremely important, you know, and these different groups, whether you want to say based blacks or just blacks in general, or Mexicans or Hispanics or whatever it is, these people are not liberals.
If you talk to enough of them, these people are not liberals.
They are anti-white is what they are.
Yeah, there's plenty of them that's like that.
You even see that.
I want to say Georgia is one of the states I looked at that had, you know, one of the highest rates of people who said that racism was the most important in the problem in the country.
And that's just because there's more blacks there.
Right.
The same is true in North Carolina.
You know, this is why, in my own estimation, like, maybe this, maybe this looks bad on me.
I don't know, but I see our movement as like an elitist movement, if you will.
You know, a lot of whites are simply unfit.
Being born white does not make you an Aryan.
And so the Aryans I want to help, the Aryans are the people I want to wake up and reach.
And this detritus of these so-called whites, I don't care about them at all.
And it's the conditions, regardless of what you may think about it, our conditions of life in this country are very luxurious.
And people can watch all the Netflix they want and look at all the porn on the internet that they want and all those stupid things.
Sports are starting to come back and all that.
It's like, unfortunately, the only way is that things will become much worse for whites.
And whites have to coalesce around this most basic, important thing of being alive.
You know, every bug lives to reproduce itself.
And that's how we have to start seeing ourselves.
And people that, you know, are fat and live in the suburbs and are stupid and watch Netflix and all that, those people are like, there's very little hope for them.
One thing, one thing I am hoping with Biden and Kamala being, you know, president and vice president, the last three, especially since Charlottesville, people in our circles have been extremely divided over Donald Trump, needless to say.
And the whole Wignat versus Amnat thing was like so based around like Trump.
And I guess it's too optimistic at this point to hope that he's gone and that everyone can move on and this black cloud can be lifted from us.
And I mean, from my perspective, in 2015, in 2012 to 2016, we were doing pretty good.
I got married.
I had a great time.
I had a son.
I was engaged in activism.
Nobody was really fighting.
The internet culture was on the rise.
And then, like, the worst thing, it seemed like everything fell apart when Trump was elected.
Yeah, we were material, we were materially better off.
We were less censored.
The demographics of the country, ironically, were better.
And here we are.
And I think long term, as tempting as it is to want Trump to pull one more rabbit out of his hat to see the absolute insane.
I think if he actually, if there's some way that he pulls this out, that we'll see riots, the likes the country has never seen.
But him going gracefully from the scene is highly unlikely.
Just tonight, I heard them say, well, he might actually create a for-profit presidential museum.
So normally they just create this sleepy little presidential museum and all of his papers and stuff.
But no, Trump will turn it into like an amusement park with hotel lodging on site and just make it a MAGA ville.
And then our people will still be on the same copium, the same false populism thing that they'll, you know, back on the street.
Well, there's always going to be some kind of symbol that people are latching on to.
If Trump died of a heart attack tonight, probably Ben Shapiro or somebody would be, you know, stepped forward as the hero, you know, Ted Cruz or somebody.
Anyway, we're over an hour.
I got tons more stuff here that we got delayed on due to getting into the weeds on the election, which is good too, because we're trying to figure out what the hell happened here.
But Hunter, you game to stick around for a little bit past the break?
Yeah, yeah, just a little bit.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's do it.
All right.
We'll take a quick break.
Hunter, did you accept my offer to guest DJ this week, or you want me to roll with it?
Yeah, yeah.
I'm not.
You can take care of it.
We go to go out to the break with Tonic 1996.
Great year to be a high school kid in America.
This is open up your eyes.
If only, we'd be so lucky for more people to open up their ride and we will be right back.
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Just let me go and welcome back to episode 69 of Full House.
No inappropriate jokes.
Gave you a Bill and Ted.
Excellent.
But I remember when I was a little kid, I got in trouble when I saw Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
I took the habit of going around saying that line from the movie, and eventually my parents had to shut it down.
And I was like, why?
That's just from the movie.
They're like, just don't say it.
It's like, okay.
No internet back then, so it took me a while to figure out what the hell it meant.
Anyway, we'll keep it clean here, cleaner than these knuckleheads with their occasional F-bombs in the first half.
But regardless, top of the second half, thank you, Hunter, for sticking with us.
We do not have any new White Life announcements this week.
It's only been one week since the last show, so we'll cut our listeners a little bit of slack in the fertility column.
But big thanks to listener Jim Foster, who came out of the woodwork.
He's actually been sending us material for a while, and he decided to write a little write-up, an essay about the tragedy of the commons and how political correctness has even invaded some of those austere, not austere, august social sciences.
So thank you, Jim, for that.
That's up at full-house.com.
And I wanted to start the second half after all this election stuff.
I know we're getting like a little bit sick of it.
However, we're going to talk about the future here in the second half for a little bit.
But before we do that, the Finstocks are deep in the depths of potty training with our toddler.
We finally decided it was time.
He was sneaking away into other rooms to go on his diaper and starting to, when he needed diaper changing, he'd just sprawl out and just do a total eagle on the ground like I'm ready.
So you know what?
It's interesting.
Like my four-year-old, when COVID hit, like, and all structure was gone, was like all over the map, like pooping on the floor, peeing everywhere.
I don't know if anyone had similar experiences, but like he was just like, yeah, like this is a new world and I'm owning it this way.
Now, say what you will about the drone routine of go to work, send kids to school, come home, eat dinner, go to sleep.
It is relative.
It's good to have a routine.
And when that gets all thrown up in the air and everybody's under the same roof because of COVID and schools being shut down, et cetera, it definitely upsets the apple cart.
But so we're trying to get potato, our toddler, potty trained here.
So, you know, what did I do?
I took off his diaper, no last resort there, and gave him like an hour, gave him plenty of water to drink and stuff like that.
And I knew the witching hour was coming.
We were at the table, and I see him run off into the kids' room.
And I wasn't born yesterday, so I knew what he was doing.
He was going over to his pooping corner.
So I grabbed him, brought him back, and it happened again.
He ran off there.
I brought him back.
We got his little porta, his little kid potty out here that he sits in and smiles.
And we read the book to him and stuff.
And he just sits there and giggles and then stands up and thinks it's hilarious.
And then he did it a third time.
He ran into the kids' room.
And this time I roped Junior and I said, Junior, go get him.
And two minutes later, Junior comes back.
He said, Dad, he pooped on the carpet.
So maybe you need to put the kiddie potty in that corner where he goes.
Exactly.
Yes.
I thought my wife, well, no, she was happy that I was trying, but she was, that was the first thing she said.
Sam was like, well, clearly he's got a spot.
So, yeah.
And then I joked with the other kids.
I was like, yeah, he just wants to poop in your bed.
You know, we'll put the potty.
Anyway, so good luck.
I'll re-up that master PDF of potty training that I'll admit that I have not read through yet because it's pretty long.
But it's supposedly a magic bullet for kids to get them to go potty training.
So hang in there, parents.
Good luck.
And coach, I know you didn't have any new white life to announce, but you know, there's a few ready to pop any day.
So oh, yeah, absolutely.
We're going to be having some announcements coming up.
The audience is all over the map.
Sometimes they like they're they conceive and they and they send in a message, and other times they're like, No, no, no, we're waiting until the deed is done.
So whichever you prefer, let us know.
We'll give you your more than deserved shout out on the air.
All right, moving on to the future.
Trump's likely going to lose.
If he wins, there's going to be chaos.
If he loses, then whites are going to be tempted to get back on the hamster wheel, as we've said before.
But going forward, what we have to offer to people who are still on there and they're like, why would we listen to a bunch of racist, anti-Semitic guys online?
And having a new political party, having something new to organize around, once we've decided that Trumpism is not the way to go, it would have been manifestly our way to go.
It would have been clear long ago.
Is one thing is NJP, the National Justice Party, still in its infancy, but coming along and a really good statement that they came out with on the election, just highlighting the ludicrous aspect of it while not kicking sand in the face of MAGA.
I thought they did a fine job.
Hunter wanted to ask you for your honest take.
We are not the NJP podcast.
Smasher, who's not on tonight, he's got the night off, is a founding member.
But what do you think about it specifically and more importantly, what we should be doing going forward in the wake of this electoral wreckage?
Well, two things.
First of all, I support the National Justice Party.
I was wondering if people were going to, you know, if Mike was actually going to be the presidential candidate this year, but apparently not.
That was the decision that was made not to run as a ride-in candidate to take away votes from Trump or anything this cycle.
But, you know, I support it.
I haven't heard much else about it.
I will say this.
There was talk when the National Justice Party, a lot of talk on Twitter when the National Justice Party launched in August that there was an argument, well, you know, is the third party vote enough to swing an election?
This one was pretty close.
Sure.
And like, if I'm right, my theory is that, you know, well, the National Justice Party is just one symptom of Trump's collapse with right-wing, right-wing independent men who are moderate and populist into politics.
Because if he was appealing to those people, no one would even be talking about a national justice party.
I think he's got like two, three, four million people to work with there.
That's true.
And that might be an idea.
Just from my perspective, it's like, how is the MJP going to get money?
And at the end of the day, it's crass, but like you need money to compete.
And if like they can't raise funds, it's hard.
to imagine how they're going to go any further than just us.
Sure.
And I think that they'll say, well, it's still early days and electoral politics may not even be the path to power, but it's enough.
But for now, it's an NJP like $20 million.
Yes, we will do your bidding, good sir.
No, I mean, it's going to be Elon Musk.
Well, you have to build something before the donors come.
There's the argument that, you know, if you have two or three million people who give $1, that's the same as a $3 million haul from one bigwig.
I know.
Big thing.
And it's very interesting because I think the GOP made a massive strategic mistake in probably like 2001, 2002, where they fought tooth and nail to prevent any kind of campaign finance reform.
And like the theory behind that, and I know because I'm working on the Hill at the time, was like, oh, well, companies like the GOP, so we have to make sure that Spigot stays open, but they didn't perceive that things would change and companies would be shitlib, you know, completely shit-lib run.
And now they're being hoisted on their own petard.
So like it's funny to watch them that way, but like ultimately that's where we are.
Well, yeah, and it's hard.
It's horrifying considering that the fate of our nation is in the wings and we don't have an opposition party that actually cares about the majority of its voters and small donors, at least.
So just peeling off enough people to kill the GOP is something that would appeal to me.
But that also begs the question, all right, you kill the GOP.
Are the Democrats going to be able to stay together?
I posited that today, that they have their own disaffected radicals to worry about who aren't going to be pleased about senile Joe and Kamala the cop ruling the roost and not giving them enough red meat.
They have to worry about pissing off people.
You saw that Nancy Pelosi may not get re-elected speaker for her perceived disaster in the midterms.
I mean, is this all just water under the bridge?
Are we just waiting for this thing to collapse?
Or is separation and secession something that's in the offing once Texas turns blue?
I mean, if Texas turns blue, the ability for the GOP or a right-wing, white-wing party to piece together something nationally is virtually nil, I would posit, I would suggest.
Well, we're still in the, we're still in the, where we're at now is like all Trump's voters, all 70, how many people, like 70, 80% of the GOP is convinced that Trump actually has won the election and is going to be sworn in as president for a second term in January.
We're living in a post-truth atmosphere where they have not accepted like they've lost yet.
It hasn't sunk in like for the vast majority of them.
What happens when that does?
Because Joe Biden and I mean, sorry, violence was used against Trump supporters.
I mean, we all agree on that with Black Lives Matter and Antifa.
The FBI was weaponized against Trump in his campaign and went on the witch hunt.
He was right about.
A lot of the polls were suppression polls that were widely off in some states, not others.
Yeah, he's right about that.
The media lied, like they said that Trump was, I forget, like was just being absolutely destroyed with white women.
The whole narrative of the election, the whole narrative of the election, how it was a big repudiation of white supremacy when more blacks and Hispanics and everything voted for Trump.
The media lied about everything.
And then, of course, where was it going with this?
All I'm saying is that Trump supporters are going to be extremely radicalized.
But the question I want to know is, is the GOP going to be able to contain, are they going to be able to contain these people and corral these people?
Or is it without Trump there to act as a big pacifier?
And maybe on Trump TV or something, trash talking and delegitimizing everything.
Are they going to lose control of these people?
Could they get violent?
I mean, this is something me and Richard talked about that you could, I mean, the left got extremely violent after they lost in 2016.
How does the, we've seen the polls where it said like something like 45% of Republicans supported violence.
That was before they lost the election with all with like, of course, now I don't think we don't think it was stolen from, I don't, at least I don't think it was stolen from them, but they're convinced it was, it was fraud.
It was stolen.
Like the election was frequent.
I think they think that.
You know, I hope that that results in continuing problems and upheaval and anger and everything.
And I'm not convinced that it wasn't stolen from them in these states that they knew were going to be tight and where they had time to line up shenanigans with the mail-ed ballots and all this.
The rest of the world.
Yeah, the whole melee ballots thing is an example of you're rigging the election.
I mean, quite honestly, like I voted for Trump and I wanted him to win as an accelerationist outcome.
But this is even better, right?
Like you have 70 million people who think they've been disenfranchised and like are angry.
Yeah, like they're angry and like think that like the system is against them.
Like that's good for us.
It's good for sure.
Yeah.
It's a step in the path.
This is an education process for these people.
All of us probably went through some different phases and everything like that.
And, you know, don't interfere in the education process of other people.
Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of these people are, I mean, they're being far more radicalized by this than I didn't vote for Trump.
I was kind of relieved, you know, like, finally, it's over.
I gave up.
As everyone knows, I gave up on him like three years, three and a half years ago.
And I wanted to ask about that.
Yeah, Honor, you were the lonely guy leading the charge.
And I was like, man, he is out over his skis, hostile against Trump from the get-go.
But I felt the same thing, too.
I mean, the serious strikes were the first thing that told me that there was something rotten going on there.
But yeah, you came out of the gates hostile to Trump.
And I think for damn sure history is going to prove you right.
Yeah, it was several things.
I'm so used to the GOP running on one message and then completely pivoting after the election when they don't need the election year message anymore.
So I was ready for it.
And I was that fall, that winter, I was watching the transition like a hawk.
And of course, during the transition is when you had the Hellgate thing and the alt-light dumped the alt-right.
And, you know, there was Cernovich was holding some party and there was a deplorable ball and everyone who was in the alt-right was banned from it.
And it was nothing but based gays and stuff were welcome there.
And also, Trump was making these appointments.
Like he was picking all these GOP people.
Ryance Priebus was just stacking the administration with all these GOP people.
And Jared Kushner got Gary Cohn to be the chief economic advisor.
And Andy Puzner, the CEO of Hardy's, you know, who's notorious, was picked for a labor secretary.
But it was really when Anthony Scaramucci, Wall Street guy that was known as the mooch, showed up on the Trump transition team that November, like two weeks after the election, when Mooch shows up on the transition team and is like, I'm here to like help run the economy for Trump.
I knew we were screwed at that moment.
Like I didn't even have to wait to the inauguration.
I was so blacked to it.
I didn't even want to go to the inauguration.
I went anyway because I already had plans.
But I mean, I already saw where this was going by December 2016, even a month before Trump was even inaugurated.
That was right.
Yeah.
Credit to you.
And going back even further while we have you, Hunter, I always just assumed that you were a good old boy from birth.
And I mean, no disrespect by that, you know, in the best sense.
Were you always a, were you raised in the southern nationalist tradition or with pro-white parents?
Or how did you come to be, you know, you've been doing this.
I remember joining Twitter as sort of an ingenue, breaking off my conservative priors, and you were out there plugging every day.
But yeah, how'd you get here?
And why do you, how do you keep it?
You're out there hustling every day.
Yeah, the area I was raised in in the black belt.
I mean, everyone in Alabama already knew the truth about race.
And there was no pressure here to be anti-white or to be an anti-racist.
And, you know, from an early age, I just never bought into it.
So like, I never went through a conservative phase.
I just graduated high school, went to college, became concerned about immigration, found Pat Buchanan.
From Pat Buchanan, I found Stormfront and white nationalism.
And that's all I got involved.
So literally 20 years I've been involved, 20 years now.
And there hello.
Oh, yeah, my internet went up.
All right.
Yeah, 20 years.
Good on you.
And how the hell do you keep at it?
I mean, you rape every day.
You turn out prodigious amounts of quality content.
I spent election season discussing modernism and 1920s women's fashion.
I just went on this huge historical binge during election season because I wanted to completely tune out of politics.
And I have multiple interests.
Sometimes I'll switch gears to history.
Sometimes it'll be politics and analysis.
Sometimes it's other things.
I'm just, you know, it's just my natural interest.
It's just a hobby.
So I just see myself as a social critic and a pundit and a pro-white pundit.
I don't really, a dad.
That's what I identify as.
There you go.
Yeah.
And yeah.
And, you know, we talked before the show that Southern nationalism, I don't want to get you in any hot water with your neighbors, but that wore off in appeal to you a little bit over the years.
So, yeah, do you consider yourself now just pro-white?
You said that identity alone was weakening or was it that identity that wasn't strong enough?
I mean, I mean, of course, I would still consider myself a southern nationalist.
It's just that, like, I think the, and I just think, I think all forms of, how do I put this, all forms of ethnic collective identity have just disintegrated, whether it's white identity or it's, you know, our traditional southern culture and southern identity.
Over the last 50, 60 years, identity has just completely withered and weakened.
So the way I look at it now is that, you know, I mean, I can't just go out there and hold a rally and encourage people, all southerners or white people to rally around the flags.
We're in a rebuilding project.
People have lost their identity.
They become derasimated.
And we have to restore what's been lost over the last two generations.
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of a big admission and use the black pill.
But you are trying to bring that back.
Yeah, educate people, reconnect them with their roots.
I've done this humongous historical deep dive into modernism and how America changed after World War I and World War II and the campaign and how people lost their sense of identity.
I've really been, you know, I've been writing, I'm working on writing a book about that subject.
Nice.
Well, the loss of identity is the thing that is really hurting people because everyone needs to feel like they belong somewhere and to something.
And it's an emotional appeal is really for what I'll speak for myself.
That's what I am aiming for is that emotional people, the emotional appeal to people to make them remember to reignite that racial memory.
And for instance, you could see my avatar there, my little symbol right there.
Now, if you can read that, you and I should be having beers soon and listening to some music.
But whether you understand that symbol or not, symbols like that, icons are important because they connect to our hearts, you know, and so that's what I think is important.
And that's the way I think I can reach people.
People are not interested to come to our point of view to be Boy Scouts.
Okay.
That's not to say that we're advocating anything illegal or violent or anything like that.
No, we're against all that.
But people want to come here to feel that edge of that identity that they're missing.
That's correct.
Well, it's been lost by the combination of liberalism, modernism, anti-racism, and cosmopolitanism, which has wiped us out and disconnected us from our roots steadily since World War II.
Yeah.
Jeff Costello on UNS has an article up that the title is The Stolen Election Will Red Pill 70 Million Americans.
It's well written.
He's been doing this for a long time and he's got a lot of good points.
I think it's way overly enthusiastic or ambitious in terms of what this is going to have in terms of impact and waking people up.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I hope I'm wrong.
Just I've gotten my hopes up way too much about red pilling normies and waking up the masses when there's so much SOMA out there and Trump being one of the bigger sources of it of them all.
But it raises the question that you are syndicated on UNS, Hunter, and so is Stryker and so are a lot of brutally honest, often very critical of Jewish power writers, authors, et cetera.
I'm just curious how it works.
I mean, did he ask you to syndicate your stuff?
Did you pitch it to him?
And why do you think a Jewish guy who's basically weak on immigration foolishes so many of our guys?
The way I remember it is, you know, Ron just sent me an email asking, you know, if he could re-syndicate some of my stuff from Ox and all of a sudden, I said, sure, fine.
Sure, fine.
Don't ride it.
No big deal to me.
As for why Ron, you know, has his point of view, he feels comfortable around Hispanics.
You know, he's written about that many times.
I think he's been, he's been saying that for years.
And I live in a people might ask, well, was you asking me, why are you like a white nationalist or southern nationalist living in the Alabama black belt?
You know, one of the blackest places in the entire country.
Shouldn't you just be driven insane about it?
It's like, no, like I'm here my entire life.
Yeah.
But how about for your boy?
I mean, like, I know like the blacks down there are a little bit different than inner city blacks.
I think.
But you feel safe there.
You're not worried about black on white crime or anything like that?
Or are you just too stubborn to leave?
No, I've never had like any concerns about like people are actually moving out of my area, right?
So it's just like people look at central Alabama on the map and they see this, oh, it's a huge tier of black counties, but actually no one really lives here.
And the people who do live here have been leaving for 100 years now.
So it just becomes more and more depopulated and more and more, in my view, kind of peaceful.
It would drive me insane to live in such close proximity to the white liberals.
I don't understand how people are capable of it.
Well, if you're black, go figure.
All right.
You are a unique character.
Well, hey, that's a, we've had this question in the hopper from an audience member for a while.
We've touched on it a little bit in past shows, but it's kind of up you're in Sam's alley.
And it's he writer writes in and he says, getting out of Dodge with a family.
Hey guys, been a fan of your show for less than a year now.
All right, better late than never.
And I appreciate all the great content and advice.
I've been pondering this one issue, which may have dire consequences for my family if an incorrect decision is made.
My work, which I am contractually obligated to be with for at least one more year, has it has me living near a large metropolitan region of the nation.
The suburb we reside in is safe for now, but I sense the civil unrest which will befall our nation regardless of the election results.
But my wife does not believe such events will come to pass, but I've made it known that in the event our living circumstances become too dangerous, we will do what we can to leave our city and move closer to her family in a rural part of the nation.
This year, we're purchasing land for our retirement home, but building a home will prove difficult if civil unrest continues.
I'm a father of two wonderful children.
Love my family very much.
How can I convey my sense of urgency on leaving the city to my wife without ruining our family relationship?
Thanks again for all you do.
See you on the battlefield one day.
All right there.
Thank you.
Won't give his name.
Would you Sam Sam is maybe roughly situated?
Go ahead, Sam Adam.
There's nowhere to run that is safe because right now our people have a spiritual disease.
Okay, so we're in a period of, I hope, awakening and transition.
But even if you go to an all white area, like you say, there's liberals or people are not awakened.
They're derachinated.
If you live in an urban area that's diverse, there's danger of non-white crime and all that stuff.
There's really no panacea or simple solution.
Yeah, I see.
I'm Hunter sitting down there in the black belt.
Like, everything is fine.
He's the dog with the coffee in the burning house.
Now, I'm joking a little bit, but so many of us look out on the wreckage of the country and want to run to the hills.
I've argued rightfully.
And to this guy, you know, God, I mean, like, if his wife isn't moved by the scenes on the news and like their explicit threats of what they want to do to us, you know, at a certain point, you just have to sort of alpha up and say, no, this is what we're doing for the safety of our family.
The other thing is that sounds real simple and good, but a lot of people are not in any position just to go do whatever they want.
So I'm glad for those who can do that, but myself and many people, we're constrained by a number of things.
We can't just up and leave.
Yeah.
No, absolutely.
Hunter, what would you tell this guy who wants to get the hell out of there, but he's got strings attached?
I agree that most people just can't, you know, up and leave.
I'm in a kind of unique situation.
My family has lived in this area for over a century now.
They have family, kin all over the area.
Live in a very subtle place.
There's lots of blacks here, but it's extremely settled.
And like I said, they're going elsewhere.
They're going to Atlanta or some places like that, the ones that are here.
But other people living in a lot of people, I get the impression, you know, they don't really have strong roots in their community.
These places are a lot more fragile than even where I live.
I live out in the woods in Alabama.
I don't sense danger in my area.
And my neighbors are completely armed to the teeth.
I feel completely safe here.
My neighbors were like sniper instructors at Fort Benning.
Completely got my back.
I'm not worried.
But, you know, well, I mean, if Trump had squeaked it out and won, I mean, that was the scenario.
That would be the most violent scenario.
The question now is whether it's the right that's going to go out there and lose their mind.
Yeah, we've got a major data point coming this weekend, the Million MAGA march on DC.
Starring Nick Fuentes.
Yeah, I feel like the liberals after Nixon won re-election, you know, like nobody I know voted for Nixon.
Nobody I know is going to the Million MAGA march except for online.
Like 94% of Republicans and conservatives or something voted for Trump.
They probably literally know no one who, no one who didn't.
Yeah.
And I don't think that the left has the balls to be crude to come out and do what they've done to smaller rallies where they think, you know, they're like jackals.
They'll just go over.
If there's a smaller rally where they think people are vulnerable or the cops aren't going to do their job, they'll attack.
But I really can't see them going after.
They might be demobilizing and simmering down now that Blump is orange dictator is on the way out and they win the election.
We'll see.
Yeah, I had this debate with Mr. Producer a little bit today where I thought that they could be either paid off or instructed to stand down.
And he was skeptical because they're radical far left true believers and that they, you know, the leadership or the old guard couldn't put that rabbit back in a what do you I mean, well, I mean, they, they, one thing I think happened that was completely unexpected is that Biden won because of white men.
So, I mean, that's an extremely fragile coalition he's got there.
Sure thing.
Yeah.
He could easily, he could easily lose those white men.
So that's why he might be saying, okay, well, I didn't expect this to happen.
So, like, my base is like a bunch of old white people in Michigan or white suburbanites or white people who just didn't vote for Trump because they were so mad at him.
So, I better like, Sib, it's in my interest here to simmer things down.
He came out and when he came out and gave that speech, he was like, we need to simmer everything down.
That was good.
Yeah.
I'm glad he said that.
But he, I mean, he is, he is not going to be there for, I don't think, four years, let alone eight years.
He sounds like Reagan did.
He sounds like Reagan did in 88 when the damn Alzheimer's started to kick in.
So, yeah, Kamala waiting in the wings is to me a terrifying and exciting prospect.
I got to jump off here and get home to talk with y'all.
Best to your family.
Keep up the great work.
Good to talk to you.
Thanks for having me.
All right, brother.
God bless.
All right.
All right.
Let us then go to navigating the collapse part.
God knows what.
And we'll bring this puppy home.
Take care, Hunter.
And yeah, let's see what we got in store this week.
It's always a mystery.
Here we go.
Welcome to Navigating the Collapse with your host, Nathaniel Scott.
Recently, there's been a lot of talk about conception, so I decided to dig a little and find some tips for prospective parents to help with conceiving and to make sure you have a healthy child.
Most of this information comes from a now-defunct Twitter account, which published a PDF, which was itself sourced from a book called Nutrition and Physical Degradation by Weston A. Price.
This advice will not only help you with childbearing, but should be followed by anyone looking to live healthier.
For the father, eat red meats, grass-fed or raw milk and butter, raw eggs, liver, fish eggs, and cod liver oil.
Consider abstaining from sex for a week or so before trying to conceive.
Keep up with intense exercise and get vitamin D from the outdoors.
For the mother, the diet is basically the same.
Make sure you get enough folate, ideally from liver.
Also, seek out sunlight, collagen from beef and bone marrow, and fermented foods like kefir or sauerkraut.
Don't fast if you're trying to conceive.
Eat a diet high in animal fats and keep your stress low.
A woman under stress will find it harder to conceive.
This is a natural, biological response to stress, as a pregnancy during difficult times would make the times much harder.
During pregnancy, all the same diet rules apply.
I want to stress the raw eggs here.
Eggs have all the vitamins and minerals needed to build a baby chicken.
Take that and use it to grow your own child.
I blend my eggs up with an after-workout protein shake, and you can't taste the difference.
When pregnant, stay away from deep-sea fish or farmed fish.
Avoid GMO foods, prescription medications, intense exercise, pesticides or chemicals, heavy metals, and overheating.
At the fall of Constantinople, the defenders held their own against the Ottomans for 53 days while outnumbered 10 to 1.
With the walls fallen and many of the defenders dead, Constantine XI led the final charge of the Romans against the Ottomans and was never seen again.
His sacrifice allowed many civilians to flee the city and escape to Europe.
The knowledge and documents they brought with them is believed to be one of the main factors that sparked the Renaissance.
This is a condensed version of the last speech of the final Roman Emperor.
Most noble leaders, illustrious tribunes, generals, most courageous fellow soldiers, and all loyal, honest citizens.
You know well that the hour has come.
The enemy of our faith wishes to oppress us even more closely by sea and land, with all his engines and skill to attack us with the entire strength of this siege force, as a snake about to spew its venom.
He is in a hurry to devour us, like a savage lion.
For this reason, I am imploring you to fight like men with brave souls, as you have done from the beginning up to this day, against the enemy of our faith.
I hand over to you my glorious, famous, respected, noble city, the shining queen of cities, our homeland.
You know well, my brothers, that we have four obligations in common which force us to prefer death over survival.
First, our faith and piety.
Second, our homeland.
Third, the emperor anointed by the Lord.
And fourth, our relatives and friends.
I know the countless hordes of the impious will advance against us, according to their custom, violently, confidently, and with great courage and force, in order to overwhelm and wear out our few defenders with hardship.
They attempt to frighten us with loud yells and innumerable battle cries, but you are all familiar with their chattering, and I need say no more about it.
For a long time they will continue so, and will also release over us countless rocks, all sorts of arrows and missiles, like the sand of the sea.
But I hope that such things will not harm us.
I see, greatly rejoice, and nourish with hopes in my mind, that even if we are few, you are all experienced and seasoned warriors, courageous, brave, and well prepared.
Protect your heads with shields in combat and battle.
Keep your right hand, armed with the sword, extended in front of you at all times.
Your helmets, breastplates, and suits of armor are fully sufficient together with your other weapons and will prove very effective in battle.
Our enemies have none and use no such weapons.
You are protected inside the walls, while they will advance without cover and with toil.
For these reasons, my fellow soldiers, prepare yourselves, be firm, and remain valiant for the pity of God.
Take your example from the few elephants of the Carthaginians and how they dispersed the numerous cavalry of the Romans with their noise and appearance.
If one dumb beast put another to flight, we, the masters of horses and animals, can surely do better against our advancing enemies, since they are dumb animals, worse even than pigs.
Present your shields, swords, arrows, and spears to them, imagining that you are a hunting party after wild boars, so that the impious may learn that they are dealing not with dumb animals, but with their lords and masters, the descendants of the Greeks and Romans.
Consider then, my brothers and comrades in arms, how the commemoration of our death, our memory, fame, and freedom can be rendered eternal.
There is no time for longer speeches.
I only entrust my humbled scepter to your hands.
Guard it with goodwill.
I implore and beg you to exhibit, if you have any affection for me, the proper honor and obedience to your commanders, tribunes, and centurions, each according to his rank, regiment, and duty.
Know this too.
If you keep my orders in your heart, I hope to God that we will be delivered from his present righteous threat.
Second, the diamond crown awaits you in heaven.
There will be eternal, worthy memory in the world for you.
Great stuff.
So important words, and everybody should take that to heart.
The numerous multitude of enemies that we have would, they only desire to overwhelm us.
Amen.
Another killer selection from Nat Scott.
Thank you for that.
Just the other day, I had somebody in the wild say, oh man, what episode was this one on from him?
True story.
So I dug it up and sent it to him.
And also, Sam, I was dying to ask if those fertility tips, he's encroaching on your territory there, but did that all check out some of that nutrition stuff?
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And especially the thing of periodic abstinence.
I know this is, we live in a day and age where you're just supposed to indulge every desire at the instant that it touches you.
But that is an important thing.
But you have to have an important reason to do it.
You know, you just, oh, to abstain, just abstain.
No, there has to be those good and moral reasons that come from things like religion and so forth.
And for instance, if you see the immorality and the sinfulness of birth control, then you understand that periodic abstinence is a valuable and important necessary thing.
Sure thing.
And I wanted to tease for the audience real quick that in Nat Scott's spirit, et cetera, I was inspired to pick some historical readings or some historical writings from William Luther Pierce.
And there's a wonderful section in his biography where the biographer condenses Pierce's core vision into about four or five different sections.
So the other night I sat down and just read that for about 40 minutes, trying to do justice to it, not trying to imitate Pierce.
And that will be up on something called Voices from the Past, I don't know, in another week or two.
But thank you for that, Nat Scott.
And Sam, we teased it at the end of last show, and it's right in your alley, and it's a sensitive topic.
But the listener who wrote in and asked about we parents being dissidents and sometimes having to tell white lies or obscure our true beliefs from the system, having an impact on our kids and their behavior and being sneaky.
Like mom and dad are not fully honest with the world.
Therefore, that cracking the door open for kids to be dishonest or sneaky and things like that.
Has that you've always been more open about your views than some of us newer geysers, we came into this KG knowing the score and how hostile the system was to us.
But walking that fine line with your kids between say the N-word on a street corner or be a total secretive about your viewpoints.
No, I think you've got to find a way to be open with them, except that you have to always speak to your audience.
You know what I mean?
Your audience is your children.
Your audience is your coworkers.
Your audience may be educated or uneducated people.
You have to consider always that.
And so you have to, you know, so that's not to deceive or anything like that, but you have to say things in a way that they will be understood and accepted.
Right.
Man of the people, Mr. Producer says.
Yep.
And I agree.
And the other day, I forget what it was my son said.
Well, I do remember one thing.
We were driving in the car and poison, every rose has its thorn came on.
It's a classic.
And I said to Junior, I said, Junior, what do you think he means by every rose has its thorn?
And without missing a beat, he said, oh, every good thing has its problems.
I said, bingo.
Yeah.
Right.
No, no free lunches and stuff like that.
And then the thought occurred to me that my son is probably more. aware and woke on some of these issues than people who have walked on this earth for four or five decades, which fills me with immense pride and also a little, you know, a little bit of sadness too, because we don't push stuff, but they suck it up by osmosis.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
My sons are far ahead of many adults, you know, and they have known things for a long time that, and you know that you're just like what your son offered to you, they're not dumb.
They will make the observations.
You know, you don't, you don't need to brainwash them.
You know, like I always say, to be a liberal, you need like a stack of books to justify it.
To be a fascist, you don't need any books at all because fascism is the natural state of things.
That's right.
And same goes for fatherhood, I always say too.
Yeah, you don't need a stack of books to be a good mom or a good dad.
You need instinct.
And it helps to have had good parents yourself to have shown you the way.
Yeah, sure.
And you may select certain materials to inform yourself and that's all good.
But no, it is, it is innate and instinctive, as you say.
Yeah.
And did your kids, I don't want to probe too much.
Did your kids ever complain like, oh, dad, you know, you talk about this stuff too much or you push this too hard?
No, because I have now with seven different children, it's different situations.
But with some of them, I've never really had a political conversation at all.
But with the ones that have awakened to politics, they asked me questions because I think to inculcate somebody, you're really doing them a disservice.
You could offer some things and point a few things out, but all of us here to this day, we have our views because we awakened to them and we made the choice.
So you have to allow your kids to be that way too.
Yep.
And to the listener who sent in the very thoughtful comment, my gut instinct, which as with presidential political predictions was certainly right.
But my gut instinct in this case tells me that you just need to sit down, depending on the age, and I think they're a little bit older and just have a discussion with them and be, you are, as a parent, you are the fewer of your household, the family fewer.
And even if the kids are sharp enough to recognize that mom and dad may have to tell little lies or obscure their power levels out there in the real world.
Sorry, Charlie, that is not an excuse for you to lie to mom and dad or be devious, A, because we'll always find it out.
And B, there will be consequences for it too.
So I think you can rule with an iron fist and a velvet glove at home and still tread that line, doing what you have to do to protect yourself and also raise kids who are still honest, right?
Yeah.
I couldn't, yeah, I couldn't when stuff crosses the TV.
And I wasn't going to talk about this, but we have been watching Stranger Things on Netflix, which we tried it a couple of years ago and it didn't.
I was like, I don't want to watch these stupid kids, even if it's 80s nostalgia.
And it really is spectacularly beautiful, 80s nostalgia.
Aside from, I know that like two of the white kids are Jewish and the black kid dates of the redhead.
But we've been watching a little bit of it with Junior, and it's been a good, good, teachable moment for him to see what the 80s were like and also to point out the narratives and what they're trying to do here and there.
And what's, yeah, no, I don't pay for Netflix, all right?
I have a friend's login.
Bless him.
Yeah, my wife is a big 80s fan, which is kind of a funny phenomenon in and of itself.
But one of my sons and my wife watch Stranger Things.
I have not watched it.
So I have to, you know, and we have canceled Netflix.
This is before.
I see Mr. Producer putting his comments and curbing there.
He's not wrong, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Even if you're, yeah, nothing in life is free, you're still paying for it with your time and your soul.
But we are able to point out the narratives and the race mixing and this and that in there so that it doesn't come through unfiltered.
Yeah.
Kids all alone with the remote or with the YouTube is something bad, but watching with mom and dad, we'll see how this pans out.
I don't know if we have the power and the ability to counteract the narratives and not go too hard, not have them rebel against us.
But that's like the $6 million question for so many of us parents of our ilk.
You can't stop them from partaking of the things that are out there.
You can try to slow it down and put it in perspective and things like that.
All of our kids, they're going to go and sample or experience the worldly values to a certain extent.
And we have to represent our side in a positive, strong way.
And especially as long as that bond with the parent is maintained, that we're together and there's the feeling of love together, then they will respect where we're coming from and put in perspective those contrary messages of the world.
Hell yeah, Sam.
Yep.
Of all the crimes our enemies have perpetrated against us, robbing our children of their innocence ranks near the ones that they need for sure.
All right, fam, let's put a ribbon on this one.
Sam, thank you so much.
I know the politics nerds took it away in the first half.
Even I was scratching my paper here.
All right, let's move on.
But however, it is important.
The absolute truth is that it's important to know what the hell happened with white voters in this election because it's a massive data point as to what our people are thinking and what they're doing, how they're voting at the ballot box.
For sure.
It was an interesting discussion.
And I tried to put a point on what our perspective as white nationalists should be.
And yeah, this system, this is the enemy's game.
This all belongs to them.
This election is the courts.
This is their ballgame.
So like they dictate the rules and everything like that.
And we are trying to make a parallel and separate kind of a society, so to speak.
We have our little things, whether it's pool parties or manner bund or different, you know, we have a concert or we have, you know, we're, we're, we, we've got to forge a separate identity.
Yeah, we have to be hackers in a sense of the political system, not in any unlawful sense, but in signal jamming and peeling off the worthy and revealing it for what it is.
That's right.
All right.
Mr. Producer, thank you, sir.
And we'll get this puppy up hopefully before the big show on the mall this weekend.
I probably will not be tuning into the Million MAGA march and we'll just check my phone here or there.
But if you're listening to this and you're going, I'm not going to give you any guff.
Just good luck, stay safe, and report back.
Let us know how it was.
Big thanks to Hunter Wallace for coming on with us.
I've been a fan of his work for many years, and he really is a soldier in the trenches.
Also, too, Harry Flashman.
All right, Full House 69 was taped on a definitively autumnal November 12th.
Now, of course, November 13th.
Follow us on Telegram, BitChute, YouTube, Parlor, all the rest of it.
And we'll put it in the show notes, read those show notes.
And I think next week we will get back to more family stuff, fatherhood stuff.
We've done politics for three weeks now, which is important.
It's highly relevant.
You might not care about politics, but it cares about you and it cares about your family.
So at least knowing what's going on, even if you think it's a rig game, is very important.
So to all white families struggling to make heads or tails of our topsy-turvy, upside-down political circus in this country, we commiserate and we also salute you.
Mr. Producer, we wanted our audience to open up their eyes with the break music.
And this week, this week, we want them to liberate themselves.
So please put on one of my all-time favorites, Liberate by Eric Prids.
No smasher this week, so it's just Sam and me on the mic.
Sam, here we go.
A little me time for the two of us sharing the night together.