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July 23, 2025 - Fresh & Fit
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Attorney Andrew Branca Meets FreshandFit
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Yeah, we are live.
What's up, guys?
Welcome to the Fresh Podcast, man.
We got a special guest in the house.
I'm really excited for this one.
We've got Andrew Branke in the house.
Let's go.
All right.
We are live.
What's up, guys?
Welcome to the Fresh A Podcast.
We got a special guest in the house.
I'm really excited for this one, man.
We got angry in the house.
What's up, Shuffle?
How are you?
True pleasure to be here.
I'm doing great.
We're happy to have you.
So, I got familiar with your content a couple months ago.
And I remember just kind of give you guys the Batman origin story here.
As you guys know, after the election last year, Nick Fuentes says on Twitter, your body, our choice forever.
Twitter went viral, went absolutely nuts.
People started going to his house.
Someone tried to actually assassinate him.
Death threats, everything, right?
Knox's family, whatever.
And one of the people that went to his house was this weird, strange woman who went to his house in the pepper spreader.
And in my eyes, when I looked at it, I was like, yo, this is 100% clean, the use of force.
Like, she walked up to his house.
He had been threatened the entire week.
You know, I think it was a reasonable use of force.
And I came across your video.
And in the video, you really, you know, articulated in a very strong fashion where, hey, look, when it comes to self-defense, you don't go on, you know, 2020.
Rather, you go on the facts that were presented to you at the time that the use of force was done.
And would a reasonable person behave that way?
And you don't need to be correct.
Yes.
You could be wrong, and it can still be a lawful use of force.
You just have to be reasonable in what you're doing.
In other words, there's reasons for what you're doing.
You're basing your decisions on facts, information that you have.
And then right there, I was like, wow, this is awesome stuff.
So I subscribed to the channel and I've been trying to get him on.
I went on Timcast and I know you had one on there and I was like, guys, can you give me his information so I could get a hold of him?
And we were able to connect and you're here now and I'm really happy about it.
I'm excited.
So I know who you are, clearly, but the audience might not.
For the people that don't know who you are, can you please introduce yourself?
Sure.
Well, I'm best known for my self-defense law stuff.
Law of self-defense is my law practice.
I've been doing that for 34 years, a member of the U.S. Supreme Court bar.
And I both represent people in court in self-defense cases and spend most of my time actually teaching people how to be hard to convict, how to be an unattractive target for prosecution if they're ever compelled to defend themselves, their family, or their property against some criminal predator.
The other thing I do is legal political commentary on YouTube.
I have a channel there, The Andrew Branca Show.
It'd be great if people subscribed and checked it out.
Talk about lots of the lawfare cases against Trump, the stuff like Abrego Garcia, the immigration case that just came out today.
And that's really it.
Cool.
I guess we can start there.
We can start with Abrego Garcia.
Can you give people the quick statement of facts and then we can kind of go into what's going on with that and how it's pretty significant?
So Abrego Garcia is a guy who came to the U.S. unlawfully and he was given a final order of deportation, I think in 2016, which means you're supposed to get out of the country.
And normally they give that to you and then they leave it to you to get out.
They trust you to get out.
He didn't get out.
He stayed.
The one thing they did for him was they gave him what's called an order of withholding.
He said, listen, if I got to be deported, don't make me go back to El Salvador.
There's gangs there who don't like me.
And they said, all right, well, if we're not going to deport you someplace, we're not going to deport you to El Salvador.
And then he stayed in the U.S. for like six, seven years.
Do you have citizenship in another country or no?
No.
But if you're not allowed to be in the U.S., they can send you anywhere.
It doesn't have to be to your nation of citizenship.
Normally, they send you to your nation of citizenship, but he asked not to go there.
And then he unlawfully stayed in the U.S. for another like six years, living in Maryland, despite having an order of deportation.
From an immigration judge.
And then something changed.
The Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, said, hey, anyone who's, I believe it was MS-13 member, is now designated to be a terrorist organization.
Anyone who's a member is a terrorist.
And he had been designated an MS-13 member years ago by the immigration courts.
At the time, they weren't a terrorist organization, but now they were.
And so once they were, you don't get to have a withholding order anymore.
It's not valid.
So at that moment, he had to be deported from the U.S. So they went and they grabbed him and they deported him to El Salvador.
Well, some legal groups didn't like that.
They went to federal court to try to fight to get him back into the U.S. And that's what we've been doing now for months and months with this case.
And they brought him back, what, like, I think a month or two ago?
A month or two ago.
After saying, well, yeah, we can't bring him back.
I know a bunch of democrats went down there and visited him.
And Margarita's the whole thing.
But here's the thing.
This is really just a lawfare case against Donald Trump.
These are left-wing groups that don't like Donald Trump, don't like what he's doing with immigration.
And there is, in fact, no legal authority for this federal court to be doing any of this.
Many years ago, Congress said federal courts, because the federal courts only exist because Congress creates them.
And Congress decides what jurisdiction, what authority they have, and what limits they have on their authority.
And many years ago, Congress made the decision, we don't want our federal district courts full of immigration cases.
We're going to strip immigration law away from the federal district courts and put it in specialized immigration courts.
So the federal courts, the district courts, actually, they have no legal authority to handle any immigration matters, but they're pretending that they do.
So this judge issuing these orders in the cases of Obrego Garcia is doing so in the complete absence of legal authority.
And she's just a judge, I call them rogue judges, a judge in rebellion against the constitutional order, exceeding her lawful authority.
And every time these cases end up working their way up to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court sides with Trump.
He's winning every time it gets up to the Supreme Court.
But what they're doing is a delaying action.
They're slowing down his agenda.
Now, whatever you may think of his agenda, however you may feel about immigration, he is the elected Article II executive branch president of the United States who has legal authority to do certain things.
And immigration is one of them where he has authority, the immigration courts have authority, and these federal district court judges just do not.
You know, it's really interesting because up until the Sobrego-Garcia case, right, I had never seen the district courts really step in because, you know, it was left to the immigration judges.
You got to find an order of removal.
You're gone.
You're cooked.
It is what it is, right?
Like an immigration judge rules you deportable.
It's over.
So it's really interesting to me how the district courts, the only time I've ever seen Title VIII stuff or INA stuff come into a district court is if it's criminal, right?
When I was an agent, like, you know, someone human smuggling or, you know, doing some other, you know, illegal re-entry, right?
1326, then it will go criminal to the district courts because, you know, it's criminal.
But like this administrative status.
It's not a matter of immigration status.
You violated a criminal statute.
Yes, right?
Most immigration violations are not criminal.
They're civil actions.
Yes.
So all the civil actions go through the immigration courts.
If you violate some felony federal statute, you end up in federal district court.
Like, for example, like 8USC 1325, right?
That's like illegal entry.
Right.
But then 1326 is illegal re-entry.
That's a felony.
So those would go to district court, but then 1325, sometimes you, I mean, you would still, would you still be presented in front of a judge for that?
Yeah, I think you would be.
But regardless, immigration matters rarely end up in district court.
So I was like surprised that they were like.
And it's because they tend not to be complicated.
I mean, it's almost like a traffic court issue.
That's why they don't want them clogging up the federal district courts.
You don't need a full-blown federal judge to handle what's essentially a traffic case.
So it's very simple normally.
Are you here?
You're present in the U.S. Are you here lawfully?
If the answer is no, you have to leave.
That's how simple it is.
So it's not a complicated legal matter.
Yeah.
No, and the thing with immigration court, and I've been saying this for a while, it's extremely backed up.
Like we're talking about people, you know, they got their, they're waiting to see an immigration judge.
This is why like when people get arrested and then they get like a release on on recognizance or ROR, they might not see an immigration judge for like five to 10 years.
Yeah, if they're already crazy.
Yeah.
It's absolutely nuts.
So I can see why the district courts would say, fuck that.
We don't want to deal with this.
Like, this is going to just backlog us.
Right.
So, they have lots of other stuff they have to handle, right?
Lots of civil cases, lots of criminal cases.
And they were backed up and Congress said, listen, we're going to clear this backlog out and just set up separate immigration courts to handle all this stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, um, so I know that he, uh, so what's the latest with that?
So he went to a district judge.
Did they file a criminal case against him at all or no?
So one of the complications here is that Trump is trying to work with these federal courts as outrageous as they're being.
And it's my sense that a lot of these federal courts are issuing lawless orders.
And Trump would have, it would be within his constitutional authority to tell these judges, you know what?
F yourself.
I don't have to follow lawless orders.
You're exceeding your authority.
I have authority that's plenary, core, to being president that you can't order me about like I'm a clerk in one of your courts.
But he's not doing that.
He's playing nice and he's working it through the legal system.
And he knows every time he gets to the Supreme Court, he ends up winning.
So instead of telling these judges to go screw themselves, he's saying, all right, we're going to work through the process.
We're going to take it step by step.
So this judge had ordered him to bring Obrego Garcia back into the U.S. And he's like, I don't have to do that.
There's nothing in the law that says that.
But to act like he's working with them, he said, all right, I'll bring him back, but we're going to prosecute him in federal district court for a crime, for human trafficking.
Oh, is that what they charged him with?
Yeah, human trafficking.
Like the, I think 1541, if I'm not mistaken.
I don't remember the statute, but they had caught him years ago in Tennessee with a van full of people.
Oh, he was smuggling, probably.
He was smuggling from Texas up to Maryland.
That's probably, can we Google that real quick?
They probably hit him with 1324, I think, which is human smuggling.
So that might be easy.
None of these people in the van had ID.
None of them knew what his name was.
You know, he just, that was his business.
He would drive down to Texas in an empty van, pick up a bunch of people at the border and drive him in country.
Yeah, that's 100%.
That's why I used to actually, that was literally my specialty when I was in Laredo, Texas.
Okay.
Was that that exact crime?
So, yeah, okay.
So they charged them with that.
Man, when did he do it, though?
Because there are no statute of limitations issue.
It was several years ago, but there's no statute of limitations issue.
So they had stopped him on the highway, and they called then the Biden administration and said, hey, we got this guy.
It looks like he's human trafficking.
And Biden said, just kick him loose.
But they have all the paperwork.
They have the records.
They have the names of all the people.
So they've decided, all right, well, judge, if you're going to make us bring him back, we'll bring him back, but we're going to prosecute him in criminal court.
Now, the judge in the criminal cases says, well, I'm going to release him on bail, which legally is probably the decision the judge is required to make.
But then ICE said, well, if you're going to kick him loose on bail in the criminal case, we're going to pick him up on the immigration issue.
And what happened today was the judge who's pretending she has authority over the immigration stuff said, I prohibit ICE from taking this guy into custody.
And DHS finally, and this may be a groundbreaking moment, I read today in the news just before we went live, DHS has announced, screw that, we're arresting him.
Yeah, I was going to say.
So for the first time, Trump is telling one of these judges, F you, I'm not following your order.
Yeah.
Like, you know, you got the Thursday 24.
Cool.
You're presiding over that.
But he's not lawfully here.
So ICE can take him all day.
What the fuck are they?
Yep.
Whatever.
That's wild, man.
And then they could choose if they want to give him an ROR, but the judge ain't going to choose that.
And if you let him go, he's not here legally.
They're not going to give him ROR.
He's been living illegally in the country for years.
He obviously is not obeying the law.
Yep.
So why do they find it so hard to make sure he's treated with respect?
Because I think this is kind of like out of their zone, no?
Why do they find it so hard to do what?
Like, let Trump do what he has to do.
They just hate Trump.
So these are all judges that were appointed by Obama.
They were appointed by Biden.
They're just on the opposite side politically.
Got it.
So from the Democrats' perspective, they've lost control of the Senate.
They've lost control of the House.
They've lost control of the presidency.
All they have left is all these left-wing judges that are loaded into the judicial branch.
Got it.
So that's the only club they have left to fight Trump's agenda.
So that's what they're using.
Makes sense.
Here, I'm going to pull up the...
Because my phone's going to die here.
Just type in a Braco Garcia criminal case.
And then I think there should be.
Chats, or do you want to?
Brego Garcia?
Abrego.
A-B-R-E-G-O Abrego.
Armo, you can pull it up on your end if you want.
It'll come right up on Twitter for sure.
It's on X. Sorry.
And what they charged him, what, like a month ago or something like that, if I'm not mistaken, when they brought it back?
You know, I lose track of time because I follow so many of these cases.
It might have been a couple of months ago, but it's relatively recent.
Okay.
So there was a recent guy we saw on X talking about his unfair treatment with the police.
I believe it was Jacksonville, right?
Jacksonville.
Guy just got arrested.
Kid, black guy with a shot just got arrested in a car.
Oh, yeah, we got that video.
So if you guys remember that video, he was actually assaulted in his car, apparently, because he didn't want to comply with the police.
How would he handle that as self-defense, attorney?
Well, the question would be, did he reasonably perceive that he was being the victim of an unlawful use of force?
You can defend yourself against unlawful force by the police.
It's possible for police to use too much force, for example, more than they're allowed.
And if they're using excess of force, you are allowed to defend yourself against that unlawful force.
But you better be right that it was unlawful because police are allowed to use force under a lot of circumstances that you or I would not be allowed to do.
Police are allowed to punch people in the head while making arrest if the person is not complying with arrest.
I can't do that.
If someone does something I don't like and I punch them in the head, that's an unlawful assault.
But what's an unlawful use of force by me can very well be a lawful use of force by a police officer dealing with a non-compliant suspect.
And this, this, I'll call him a kid.
I'm sure he was an adult, but I'm of a certain age.
This young man, maybe he believed that he was allowed to not be compliant.
Maybe he believes he's allowed to demand a supervisor show up or that the cop give him a lengthy explanation or that he can debate the traffic stop on the side of the road.
Maybe he genuinely believes that, but that's not the law.
The cop doesn't have to do any of that.
And if you refuse to comply, the cop is allowed to arrest you.
And once he makes the decision to arrest you, no one talks themselves out of arrest.
The moment that cop's made the decision he's going to make a lawful arrest of you, he'll just use as much force as is necessary to make that lawful arrest.
In this case, they broke out the car window because he wouldn't get out of the car.
They dragged him out of the car.
I think one of the cops punched him in the head once or twice.
The use of force was actually very brief.
It was five seconds maybe between when they grabbed him in the car, got him on the ground, and he was handcuffed.
But it looks ugly because uses of force always look ugly.
They never look present.
And this young man in the car, he recorded some of this from the perspective of his cell phone camera.
And from that perspective, it looked terrible because you didn't see everything proceeding to the event.
So all you see is the window smashing.
He gets grabbed out of the car, thrown to the ground.
It looks terrible.
But when you watch the longer body-worn camera footage, this young man had every opportunity to lawfully comply, present his license, do all the things he has a legal duty to do.
You're required to do those things.
And he just refused.
And if you refuse to do the things you have a legal duty to do, you're subject to arrest.
And if you refuse to comply with arrest, the police will use whatever force is necessary to compel your compliance.
Yeah, people only saw the video clip where he posted.
And we have it here.
Let's pull it up real quick.
It looks nasty.
The cell phone video looks nasty.
Yeah, the cell phone one looks bad.
But as always, there's more context to it.
So actually, yeah, this is why.
So I go here.
Black people wonder why they get fucked up by the cops with this stupid shit like this.
You morons create police brutality by being non-compliant retards.
Hey, man.
You guys need to follow me on X if you guys want more, you know, uncensored takes like this.
Let's make it big on our end, Mo.
All right.
So the bottom is what he posted on TikTok.
The top is from the body cam.
And there's the window about to break right there.
That's the cop's window breaking tool he's using.
Yeah.
Yep.
Let's roll the clip.
Is there a reason why you pop the door open like that?
Absolutely.
There's a reason why I'm pulling the reflection.
One thing you implement on the web.
Two things you're not wearing your seatbelt.
It's daylight.
I don't need the lights.
And it's not raining.
It's not raining.
Oh, this is an inclement?
It's not raining.
Okay, I'm not arguing with you.
I'm telling you why I'm pulling you over.
Give me your driver's license, registration, proof of insurance.
No, no.
Call your supervisor.
Excuse me?
Call your supervisor.
Why did you pull me over?
It's 37, 37, 35.
I'm fucking with the driver.
I've already told you.
Why did you pull me over?
Step out of the vehicle.
No.
Step out of the vehicle.
Why did you pull me over?
Day.
I almost think there's either he believes he's allowed to do these things, like he's been miseducated on what he's required to do.
That can happen.
Or he just wants to be viral.
Yeah.
And the other thing, too, I tell people all the time, like, bro, when the cops stop you, there's no debate.
Shut the fuck up.
There's no conversation.
There's nothing to talk about, man.
And all you're doing is making things worse for yourself, trying to argue with them.
Like, let the lawyer do that when you get to court.
You shut the hell up and you comply.
And by the way, it turned out the cops didn't see it until after he was cuffed up, but it turned out he had a large unsheathed knife on the floorboard right at his feet.
If the cops had seen that before they got him out of the car, he could well have been shot.
Yep.
Yep.
Absolutely.
you know um let's keep going 25 seconds.
And I took the knife on.
Driver just slammed it down.
You guys pause.
Like me, from my law enforcement experience, the window's tinted like that.
This obviously escalates how you have to move.
You got to get him out of there quickly because you don't know what the fuck is in there, right?
You can't see as well because there's some tints there.
So that's a high percentage of tint.
Yeah, really dark.
From a law enforcement perspective, right?
Not only did he not comply with your commands, your lawful commands, and being rambunctious, now you can't even see what the fuck he's doing.
And we can see the reflection, the environmental circumstances, right?
The bottom line is if the cop cannot see your hands, that becomes a life-threatening situation for the cops.
He's got to be able to see your hands.
When I was in the academy, the number one thing they teach you, two things, you're always going to go home at night.
And then number two, you need to see the hands.
If you don't see the hands, you do whatever you need to do to see the hands.
Because the hands are the only things that could really hurt you.
So yeah, like right now, he's escalated this significantly like an idiot.
And people forget, cops have families too.
They want to go home safe as well.
Not just a person.
And not only that, bro, they indoctrinate you in the police camps, whether it's a federal academy like the FBI or us, HSI, or a local police or state police.
All police training in America is you will go home, you'll win the fight.
And they show you hours upon hours of footage of cops getting killed in the line of duty so that you're always vigilant and not, you know, by being complacent, how it kills you by not looking at the hands.
So they indoctrinate you to always have this mindset where, yo, I need to see the hands.
If I don't, I'm going to fuck you up.
Because at least with us, you look at it like the controls in our hands.
We ain't going to kill this guy, but we don't know what the fuck he's trying to do with us.
To agree.
And it's for good reason.
So every traffic stop is dangerous for a cop, right?
He doesn't know that person.
He doesn't know what's in the car.
People have weapons in their car.
But if the person's cooperative, the cop stays cool.
But the moment this happens and the person becomes obstructive, now the risk to the cop goes, not just the cop, but also to the suspect, goes through the roof.
I cover a lot of cases where the scenario goes sideways like this and somebody ends up dying.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, yeah.
So multiple different things are going on here, not complying, tinted windows, being rambunctious.
You don't know what's in the car.
Can't see his hand.
This obviously escalates it to a significant degree.
We'll keep playing it.
I've already told you.
Okay.
Okay.
Right now you're under arrest for resisting.
This is something that I'll say, I guarantee you, because Jacksonville has a lot of bad neighborhoods, right?
Now, one of the things that cops do a lot of the times is they'll conduct a traffic stop, right?
But they're being proactive to try to detect crime.
Yeah.
And we don't know if this is a violent neighborhood or excuse me, a dangerous neighborhood or not, but that would also add to the threat level as well.
If they're pulling him over somewhere where it's not the best area or we know he might be a member of a gang because Jacksonville has a huge gang problem.
Huge.
So that's something else to also keep in mind is that police officers conduct traffic stops all the time to kind of prevent crime and pull people over, Figure out who they are, et cetera.
It's an investigative tool that they utilize a lot.
Yeah, so I never actually knew you were in law enforcement until just now when you mentioned it.
But you'll know that, of course, cops have to have reasonable suspicion to stop you.
Now, if you're in a vehicle, there's almost always something they can come up with for reasons.
And that's on purpose.
But if there's a light out or the wipers aren't on in the rain or whatever, you didn't use your blinker to change lanes, they need some legal excuse to pull you over.
But often there's a broader reason to pull you over, investigative purposes, because a very high percentage of traffic stops for little ticky-tacky reasons turn into bigger offenses.
They find contraband, they find weapons, they find warrants.
And so, as you say, it's an investigative tool for them.
Now, this car, by the way, had a lot of body damage on it.
Like, the hood is buckled up.
It has front end.
It's got dents all over.
So this cop might have been thinking, oh, maybe this is a DUI.
Maybe this guy just got in an accident.
So that's not a good reason to stop him.
Lots of cars have dents, but he didn't have his wipers on, didn't have his headlight.
I can stop him for that.
And then I can see whether or not this might be a DUI accident.
Absolutely.
I mean, I'll give you an example.
So when I was on a job, right, what we would do is we would let a bad guy do a drug buy, right?
We would maybe do a control purchase of firearms or drugs or something like that.
And the individual would drive away.
We'd have a trooper stop them an hour or two later, right, as they're driving home, ID who they are.
Okay.
You know, I'm going to cut you guys a break.
You guys have tinted.
Just get it fixed.
Okay, for me?
Boom.
Let them go.
They think they got off scot-free, but now we know who was in the car, who the bad guys are, further the investigation that way.
So it happens a lot where you'll do traffic stops.
You use a uniform guy to do it, but you'll use it to identify everyone that was in the vehicle.
So it's a huge investigative tool, man.
We used to do this all the time.
Call it cover stops.
So we can keep going.
But yeah, this is active policing.
You know what I mean?
Being proactive is good.
You understand?
You're under arrest for resisting.
The longer you take us on, the worse it's going to be.
Open the door and exit, or we are going to break the window.
Open the door and exit.
You are under arrest for resisting.
Open the door and exit.
We're under arrest for resisting.
Okay.
In the full body cam.
Open the door and exit.
You are under arrest for resisting.
Open the door and exit.
You are under arrest for resisting.
I'm about to break the window.
I'm about to break the window.
Keep it real, though.
Do you need that many cops?
You do.
And I can tell you why.
Because the more cops, the faster you can secure with this person, the less risk you have of it escalating to deadly force.
So a lot of times if the cop stays by himself, if he doesn't call for backup, he gets in a fight with that suspect and he loses the fight.
The suspect gets control of his gun or the cop's afraid he's going to get control of the gun and the cop has to shoot him.
I cover lots of cases like that.
When you have overwhelming force, you get lots of hands on the suspect.
You can get them cuffed up.
It's always safer.
It's safer.
It's actually safer because the threat level, if you're in a one-on-one fight, it's do or die.
You're more likely to actually get shot fighting a cop one-on-one than if, and a female cop, especially are going to get shot.
Nothing scarier than a female cop, man.
Oh, yeah.
Bro, you guys try to fight with a female cop one-on-one, she's going to shoot you right away.
Just so you guys know.
Because on her side, she can articulate that you're bigger than her.
She can articulate that you're stronger than her.
She can articulate that if you hit her one time, she gets knocked out and she can go.
All she has to do is prove that you are a threat to her life, which is going to be significantly easier because she's smaller and you're bigger.
And she's going to probably walk for her life.
And it's going to be easier for her.
So that's what it comes down to, man.
It's relative.
So yeah, the more cops, the better.
And then ironically enough, the more cops that are there, the better for you.
So, you know what I mean?
For the suspect at least.
And it's also a deterrent, too, when all those cops show up.
We can keep going.
Exit the vehicle now.
Exit the vehicle.
Show me your hands.
Here.
What is your reason?
Step out.
What is your reason?
Step out.
No, don't.
Don't fight.
I'm so sorry.
Put your hands behind your back.
I'm resisting.
Look, I ain't going to lie.
He deserved that 100% fucking dumbass.
100% deserved that shit.
Some of you guys in the comments are like, oh, bro, why did those successor for us?
No, he fucking deserved it, bro.
You know, I would ask him.
If you dumb shit like that, you deserve to get fucked up.
I would ask him.
Just kidding.
He actually got an abrasion on his lip.
He deserves it.
Really?
Yeah.
But they put your face on the ground because if you control someone's head, you control the whole bot.
Yeah.
But sometimes, though.
Yo, bro, he warned them.
This dude closed the thing.
Bro, he deserved to get fucked up like that.
And people always, they always fuck around and then they find out, then they cry, oh, what the fuck?
100% clean use of force.
I think the chief actually defended the cops too, didn't he?
Well, the chief said this has already been decided.
It's not a criminal matter.
So they didn't violate any criminal laws.
The chief is still exploring whether there might be an administrative policy violation.
The guy might get some time off of work, some unpaid leave, that kind of thing, which is a different set of rules.
Frankly, I would hope not too.
But that's up to the chief to decide.
I mean, I don't worry about that kind of thing.
And just so you guys know, before you guys try to make this a fucking, well, not you guys, because you guys are based, but before someone tries to make this a race thing, the chief of police is black.
He gave a press conference.
One of the cops that were on the scene was black.
And he was one of the main ones that threw his ass on the floor.
So this isn't a race issue.
This is a stupidity issue.
Right.
The bottom line is that in almost all cases, it's not the police officer or officers who are making the decision about how much force to use.
It's the suspect that is making the decision about how much force is going to be required to get him to comply with lawful commands.
And I'm glad you mentioned that because I always tell people, right?
Police aren't going to meet you at the same, if you go ahead and you square up against a cop.
He's not going to sit there and square up with you.
He's going to pull out his baton.
He's going to pull out a taser.
They have to always ratchet it up one level above you so that they can go ahead and get you into custody.
So as soon as you ramp up escalation, they're going to ramp up above you to ensure that they win.
You pull out a knife, he pulls out a gun.
You pull out your fist, he pulls out a taser.
Like, that's just how it goes.
And people don't understand this.
If the cop wins, the end result is an arrest.
If the bad guy wins, the end result is a dead cop.
It's not the same thing.
Exactly.
Absolutely.
I didn't pull over in my lifetime four times.
Each time I was polite, complied.
And I got off scot-free twice.
So it's like, this is how you treat the cops, man.
You're people, too.
Yeah, bro.
Most cops are going to let you off of your plight.
Yeah.
Even if it's a bad cop, what difference does it make?
It's only going to go even worse for you if you're controversial.
Yeah, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
Confrontational.
No, absolutely.
So what are your, I mean, I guess, yeah, legally, nothing's going to happen.
I'm sure.
I do have a question, though.
FDLE might get a referral, but I don't think they're going to do anything criminally.
FDLE, for those of you that are wondering, is the Florida Department of Law.
They do a lot of the internal investigations with police departments.
I think it might get referred to them just because of how big it is, but they're probably not going to open up.
A punch is non-deadly force.
That's not going to get a criminal prosecution.
If they had shot him.
Yeah.
Or they'll open a case and then the AD will decline and then they'll close it.
It'll be one of those things.
But the question is, though, he's out the car.
He's already detained in a way.
Why punch him in the head?
No, they punch him before.
I believe he's struck in the head in the car.
He's sitting in the seat.
They hit him in the hand.
And then they hit him in the chin so he could fall down.
Well, you strike people in the head to distract them, not just to cause physical injury.
I mean, you guys do BJJ at all?
Not me, but okay.
Well, in BJJ, if someone's got, you're trying to get their arms, you're trying to get a limb to control, right?
Sometimes people will bury their arms.
Well, you start smacking them on the head just so they'll try to block your, and then you got the arm, and then you can grab it.
Cops are doing, they got to get your arms too.
They got to get your arms to cuff you.
So they don't want your hands around your waistband or in places they can't see or control.
So if they smack you in the head or punch you in the head, your hands are going to come up to defend yourself and then they can secure you.
I think they did it fantastically.
I think they did great.
That guy's lucky that he only got punched and slapped one time.
He could have got fucked up way harder, especially with the knife there.
He could have lost his life.
And yeah, he's an idiot.
And guys, use this as a lesson, bro.
Like, don't fuck with the cops.
Especially just being black.
Be smart about it, man.
Comply and then say goodbye because you want to make it home too, right?
I mean, that's fair.
But niggas are stupid, bro.
Let's be honest.
Niggas are dumb.
Niggas are fucking stupid, bro.
You know, I'll say it.
Like, niggas are dumb as fuck.
Oh, you is police brutality.
Shut up, nigga.
Like, your guys are fucking bottom.
I think from this actual video angle, you could tell he thought he was in the right.
Yeah, 100%.
It could be.
Let me see your supervisor.
He thought he was.
Get out of here, Joel.
He was in the wrong.
Yo, you gotta see your fucking supervisor.
Get the fuck up out of here.
I mean, it's almost like we need a course.
We need a course for these people so they understand what their legal rights are and what the limits of those are.
His father should have told him, but I guess he wasn't there.
Listen, I get the Chris Brown right now.
Is we as people got to understand how the laws work.
And if you're wrong with the laws, bro, just follow them because, I mean, what you going to do?
And for example, the cops are just doing their job.
I mean, at that point, you didn't comply, so goodbye.
And again, the worse the cop is, if you imagine a bad cop scenario, the more you need to comply.
That's the guy who's most likely to kill you.
So you have to be most compliant with arrest.
That's the guy who's out of control, right?
These guys were largely, in my opinion, largely in control.
Okay, what's the next one?
You should make a course, bro, for black men that are dumb niggas.
They want to help, bro.
Should I call the book that?
Hey, dumb niggas.
Yeah, dumb niggas.
Hey, dumb niggas, we got you.
That's the dumb nigga 101.
Dumb.
Police course 101.
I'm not sure Amazon will take that.
I'll write the forward.
Hey, stupid.
Read this book.
No, but all those is like that.
Actually, I think they're not even hooked out products.
Bro, you know they can't read.
It's true.
But it's too bad.
It's fine.
Hopefully they can learn from this example, watch the video, and take it as they should.
But yeah, that nigga was cooked.
It could be like hooked on due process.
Oh, you want to use this as a self-defense thing?
Oh, yeah, I want to.
I want to.
All right, yeah, go ahead.
We'll do some scenarios.
So listen, Andrew, I am a proud black man that's been living life on the edge for a while.
Very black.
The problem is that sometimes, you know, women get irate, they get upset, and they act out in many different ways.
Usually it's with force.
Now, in this example here, we're doing a live podcast.
This lady gets upset from some words and chooses to use violence against this young man.
Yeah.
Sorry, older man.
Now, women are more violent than men.
Yes, 100%.
And I want you to watch this video.
And from your experience, tell me how he should have reacted.
Or he should have reacted in this case because it should be self-defense.
But okay?
We can play it.
Here we go.
Oh, yeah, guys.
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Basically, but.
Isn't there a little slipper in here?
Yeah, so, you know what?
Mute it after the last slipper.
The last chunk like that?
Mute it, yeah, yeah.
At some point, she's probably gonna want money.
Notice, right?
If he's a billionaire, half of that, she's gonna be set for life.
For sure.
I don't think there's anything he can do.
No, yeah, just a little bit of a damn thing.
Even if you had a prenup, something like that, a judge might still be like, you know what?
Because it's public.
What the?
Wait, what?
What's up?
All right, all right, that's true.
Yeah, we're not gonna do it.
Don't even risk it.
Yeah, I agree.
Don't even risk it.
Okay, so how would somebody react to this?
Yeah, I guess what would be a lawful response to this?
Would that have been okay?
Or how would somebody?
So the first thing I'd say is, in my opinion, just from a practical perspective, he did absolutely the perfect thing, right?
He didn't engage with her.
And the truth is, he's not at threat of death or serious bodily injury, right?
She's not pulling out a gun to try to shoot him.
She's not coming at him over the table with a knife.
If that was happening, it would be a completely different scenario.
He's going to get wet.
He might get a bruise.
Now, the law says you don't have to put up with that.
You don't have to put up with a non-deadly force attack.
If you're facing a non-deadly force attack, you can use non-deadly force in self-defense.
And he could have done that here to prevent her from throwing.
Like if she was going to grab another shoe or whatever it was she was throwing, he could have grabbed her arms so she couldn't throw stuff at him or hit stuff or throw drinks at him.
The trouble is not the black letter of the law, which is pretty straightforward, What I just described, the trouble is all the context and politics around it because you do have a dude, a big dude, it looked like, and then you have a woman.
And every time the cops show up and there's a dude and a woman conflict, they tend to side with the woman and not with the dude.
And now you have to explain.
Very different than if it was a dude.
And he's big too.
He's like 6'7.
Right.
Like they're going to be like, bro, like, 230, 30 a.m.
Like, they're going to be like, why'd you, you know?
So if I was acting the role of the woman, he just would have punched me in the face.
Yeah.
Right.
But when you're dealing with a woman, there's a lot of political risk, not black letter law risk, but political risk that arises because you're dealing with a woman.
And that's why women are more violent, because they know they can get away with it.
They've been saying that forever.
I've been saying that forever.
They can get away with it.
Physically in the moment, because they know you're less likely to respond in a violent way.
Most men are less likely to.
And they know that should it end up in the legal system, it's you against, it's just like a divorce case.
It's you against her and the legal system.
They're on her side.
And that's a big force on her side.
Speaking of big, though, she's pretty big.
She's pretty.
Yeah, but that's lower body strength, not upper body strength.
Now, question.
When we say...
So when you say that women are more violent, do you mean as in like they just get into more use of force situations?
Are they more likely to punch someone in an altercation?
Like when you say that?
I think it's a little complicated.
They're actually more violent on every level.
So women are far more likely to abuse children than men are.
Most people don't know that, but that's statistically true.
Well, I don't mean nice as in, like, I mean as in I'm going to use this when I debate women because I debate them all the time and they try to, you know, Pearl, of course.
Pearl talks about this all the time.
Most child abuse is actually at the hands of women.
It's not at the hands of men.
And of course, women know they can get away with it.
A woman can smack a dude and there's a prospect he won't smack her back.
Two dudes are not going to do that, right?
One dude smacks another dude, something's coming back at him.
But women know they can get away with it in that kind of tactical, physical context.
And women are kind of agents of chaos anyway.
I mean, all men know, we step into a room with other men, we all know that if we talk enough shit to those other dudes, a fist may come our way, right?
There's physical consequences.
Women are generally free of that.
Like, women don't attack other women with force most of the time.
There are exceptions.
They use kind of communal attacks, right?
They get all the other girls to hate her to her.
They talk trash about her.
Right.
Exactly right.
But when they resort to violence against men, they know they can get away with it, and that's why they do it.
I've noticed that, like, because I was talking about this, how in domestic violence situations, people tend to think that men just beat on women.
It's actually the other way.
When there's one-way violence, it's typically from the female to the guy.
Man, I've lived it.
I've had it happen to me.
People say that I'm lying when I say that.
I'm like, no, if there's a domestic violence situation and it's one way, it's almost always the woman beating the man.
But most domestic violence is both parties are beating each other.
Because those people find each other.
Yeah.
Because normally, if they're not both like that, the first time it happens, one of them leaves.
The non-violent one leaves.
So if they stay together, it's generally because they're both violent.
Yeah, and they beat each other.
So, no, I'm glad, you know, because this is, I'm glad that you're kind of like the bunky myths here because everyone always thinks, oh, well, men are more violent and men are the ones that are beating on women.
But in reality.
Men are more capable of violence.
Yes.
But they're not more violent.
Yeah.
Okay.
Nice.
Okay.
So we have, let's read some chats real quick, and then I got to just connect with Mole real quick.
All right.
Those are the chats.
Yeah, it's crazy, though, because I know a lot of guys are getting abused in their homes.
Yeah.
And they don't know how to react or how to get out of it, I guess.
So they're kind of just taking a beating from their wives or girlfriends.
You got to leave.
Yeah, 100%.
You got to leave.
Because, again, you're not with a woman in a relationship.
You're with a woman, and on her side is the legal system.
It's just not an evil.
It's not an even playing field.
It's not.
Yeah, because there is a.
I mean, I'm sure you guys talk about this in the red pill context all the time.
It's like when a man marries a woman, he's not just marrying a woman.
He's marrying a woman and the family court system.
Yep.
And normally guys don't think of this or realize it until the woman files divorce on him.
And then suddenly he discovers that he's actually also married to the family court system.
Big trouble.
An informed man knows that before he gets into the marriage.
Now, I say that.
I've been married twice.
So I'm 50-50 on marriages.
I'm very happily married today.
But my first marriage was a nightmare.
And when I got married the first time, I was like all these other dopes.
I was like, oh, I'm of a certain age.
It's time to get married and have kids and have a household.
Oh, my God.
It was like a manslaughter sentence.
Let me tell you.
It was unbelievable.
And of course, I got divorced then.
And then I met the most wonderful woman in the world and I'm happily married now.
So I'm 50-50 coin toss.
But I went in like an idiot to the first one.
I just had no idea what I was doing.
I had none of this understanding that is fortunately so much more common today.
Thanks to guys like you.
Knowledge is power.
Any chats, Bulls?
TPC Films, shout out to your brother.
This might be out of your wheelhouse, but do you know any law firms that help homeowners who've been wrongfully represented by another law firm for insurance claims here in Florida?
Let me ask because Google searches can be very misleading, and anyone who goes on FNF are very vetted and trusted.
So he wants to know, do you know any law firms that help homeowners who've been wrongfully represented by another law firm for insurance claims?
So I've got two answers.
The first one, it's not very helpful.
I'm afraid it's no, that I don't.
My expertise is nothing but self-defense law, nothing to do with insurance law or anything like that.
The second part of my answer is this is a real problem.
The truth is most individuals are incapable of evaluating lawyers, whether they're good or not.
Most lawyers are not very good.
Like any profession, lawyers are on a bell curve.
So the majority of them are just kind of okay.
They're in the middle.
They're fine for most things, but not super complicated things.
Then there's a whole bunch of really shitty lawyers out there.
And there's maybe 10% at the top where if it were something really important to you, like going to prison for the rest of your life or divorce, you want one of those top 10% guys.
You do not want to sell it.
Like Diddy's on the middle team.
Yeah.
Like the exact team.
Wherever we get him off the sex trafficking.
Yep.
Or Alec Baldwin, when he was facing that manslaughter charge in New Mexico, he definitely should have been convicted on that.
But he had a very expensive, very good, very clever legal team that got him off on a technicality.
So they did their job.
Yeah.
What else do we got here?
Okay.
The punches were uncalled for on all accounts.
There was six cops, one suspect.
I'm not condoning his actions, but the cops abused their power.
I'm not sure how anyone could condone this from the cops' body camera.
Two cops struck this dude, then slammed his head into the concrete.
Yeah, P8, bro, let me just be honest with you.
You're stupid and you're a bitch.
Bro, like, see, here's the thing.
It's always interesting to me how people that don't work in law enforcement or people that don't deal with these types of rambunctious people try to sit there and Monday morning quarterback.
The punch was absolutely necessary because the guy wasn't complying.
They need to get him down to the floor.
It doesn't matter how many officers are there.
They need to get him down as quickly as possible.
Because just like Andrew said, the longer the interaction happens, the more dangerous it becomes.
It's for his safety to get him under custody quickly.
The longer it runs, the tireder people get, the more scared they get, the more they're going to escalate to a higher degree of force.
I often, frankly, I think it should be required for men to engage in some kind of combat sport activity, BJJ, boxing, something, where you're forcibly having to resist someone else's efforts to control you or to strike you.
And people don't, because if you don't do that, you don't understand, like I saw images of you boxing.
You box for three minutes.
You're exhausted.
You are totally spent.
And if this is a fight for your life and that's happening, you know you're getting spent and you know you're running out of energy and you know you're losing your ability to defend yourself.
And that's when cops end up going to the gun.
So if you can avoid that by getting control in five seconds instead of three minutes, everybody stays safer.
Yeah.
Interestingly enough, the more cops that show up, the more safe you're actually going to be as a suspect, right?
So everyone has body cams.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, dude.
100%.
So actually, them coming in droves and numbers saved his life.
Because he could have resisted an ending.
Well, I'll tell you this.
So the way it goes is the less cops there are, the higher they have to escalate their use of force to get him into custody.
But if it's three, four of them, they don't have to fuck them up as hard to get them to custody.
Overwhelming forces always say.
Like the FBI, for example.
When the FBI makes an arrest, they almost never lose an agent.
Why?
Yeah.
Because they go there with a team of people.
And we go there.
When we used to do our arrest warrants, we're betting him down.
We know where he lives.
We hit the door at 6 a.m., right?
We know exactly where his bedroom is.
We're catching him when we have the advantage.
And the whole purpose of that is to minimize risk.
As much as people sit there and say, oh, well, the cops just want to fuck people up.
Actually, no.
Actually, no.
You want to get them as quickly as possible.
You don't want to get in a shooting, bro.
It's a nightmare.
Internal affairs comes in.
The state and local police come in.
They're investigating it.
They take your fucking gun from you.
You're on death duty.
No one wants to get in a shooting.
And you could go to prison for the rest of your life.
You could be the next Derek Chauvin.
Yeah.
So cops actually don't want to fucking get in shootings as much people think they do.
It could be a life end, a career ender, right?
And then you're going to have to go ahead and deal with all types of shit.
And then after, let's say you get cleared, you could still get sued by the family after the fact.
So shootings are not worth it whatsoever.
Nobody wants to get in it.
So when they go ahead and they use this force and take this guy in, it's actually to his benefit.
So like when this guy, and it's always civilians, right, that say some stupid shit like this.
Oh, well, that was overkill.
You didn't need to do that.
Bro, you fucking Monday morning quarterbacks have never been punched in the face.
You've never dealt with a criminal.
You never had to put yourself in a situation where you got to put someone into custody that's resisting against you.
Shut the fuck up, honestly.
And it's being polite about it as Andrew.
Shut the fuck up.
A lot of you guys don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
It's very common now when police, when a police officer ends up shooting someone, especially if the person dies, their career is effectively over.
So when I was a young attorney, there were lots of cops out there who'd been in five, six, seven, eight shootings over the course of their career.
You don't find those guys anymore because they don't exist in law enforcement.
The moment a cop's involved in a fatal shooting, he's sidelined in his career.
Absolutely.
Because they want to make sure that they're never going to have to defend that guy for having shot the seventh person or the eighth person because it looks bad.
So they just don't want him around anymore.
And not only that, like, because here's the thing.
You're going to get an internal affairs investigation.
Then the state police are going to come in and do an investigation.
And then on top of that, if it rises to a level maybe where like they say you violated someone's civil liberties, then the FBI might get involved.
Exactly right.
So you're going to get invested in the gate at like three to four different times.
Nobody wants that shit, bro.
And I know it's so intensive behind the scenes.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's a career ender a lot of the times if you shoot somebody.
Like even if you're clean, you're still going to deal with, if it's a clean shoot, you're still going to deal with so much bureaucracy and bullshit that's going to limit your career.
Any promotions you have lined up, sidelined immediately.
And the cost of these legal defenses is unbelievable.
So like if a police officer is charged with a felony, often he loses all support from the department.
So he's paying his legal expenses himself.
Very common in a felony level case, especially involving deadly force, for many of the cases I work on, hundreds of thousands of dollars are spent on legal expenses before you ever get to trial.
Absolutely.
Pre-trial.
And so say you do that at the state level and you get acquitted.
You won.
You're still out all that money.
You don't get the money back.
And then if the feds want to prosecute you too, now it's a second trial and you don't have any money left.
I work a lot of cases where a client may be tried to do that.
And their threshold is less.
A lot of times the FBI is going to come in with like a civil color of rights violation.
It's a 1983 case.
Yes.
Exactly.
That's what they did with Chauvin.
They got him on that.
So when there's two trials, either like you may have a hung jury and they decide to try you again or you have a state trial and then you end up going to federal court.
You spend all your money on the first trial to try to avoid going to prison for the rest of your life.
And then if they try you again, you don't have any resources left.
I see a lot of cases where someone, a defendant, has a very high-paid private lawyer the first time he's tried and the second time it's a public defender because he's completely spent.
And the prosecution knows this, by the way.
The prosecution knows they can burn through your money.
It's like a war, right?
He knows he can kill a lot of your troops in that first trial.
The prosecutor has essentially infinite resources.
Yeah.
Damn.
Yeah.
So, you know, this whole like myth that cops want to get into shootings and all that.
Trust me, bro.
No.
Hell no.
They don't.
Hell no.
And then I would argue even less now because of all the BLM riots and everything else like that.
Who was it that was talking about this?
There was a study done where they found that after all the like Ferguson and everything, they call it the Ferguson effect, where since people getting shot, especially black men getting shot is so widely publicized and it leads to so much backlash, they've actually seen crime increase because a lot of law enforcement officers don't want to do proactive policing.
Why would you?
Why would you incur that risk?
Yeah.
I mean, it's bad enough if your department's going to back you up, you're actually getting into gunfights with people, right?
Which is, that's not a great thing to do.
But if you're going to do that and then you're not going to be backed up and you're going to be looking at spending the rest of your life in prison as a cop, why would, and what are they paying you?
60 grand a year?
I mean, it's insane.
I think it was Larry Elder that talked about this, but they literally call it the Ferguson effect, where law enforcement officers stop doing proactive policing.
When you stop doing proactive policing, criminals are able to kind of do what they want to do, and you're only responding to 911 calls.
If you're only responding to 911 calls, you're reacting, right?
And you're responding slow.
And you're responding slowly as well.
So it actually has the opposite effect when cops are scared to do their job because they're not going to be backed up by their police department.
So this is literally what's been going on in America whenever these BLM riots happen.
Like cops are like, you know, fuck that.
I don't want to go to jail.
I just want to collect my paycheck, get a pension, and go home.
Well, they go as to replace cops with robots in the near future.
Well, we'll see.
That'll be tough.
That's not going to be a win for the criminals.
Yeah.
That's not going to be just like everyone.
I remember when BLM argued, they were very vigorous.
They wanted all these cops have to have body-worn cameras now.
Well, that's worked out a lot better for the cops than it has for the criminals.
Yeah.
It absolutely has.
So like that body camera right there, could you imagine all we had was a TikTok clip?
Yeah.
It would look awful.
It would look awful.
But then now that you're looking at it from the other side, bro, that dude deserved that shit.
I don't feel sorry for him whatso fucking ever, man.
He's lucky they just grabbed his ass at him on the floor.
And it's not just one body worn camera because every cop has one.
That's another reason to call more cops.
Now you have cameras from multiple angles that are all police officer cameras.
Yep.
Those body cams have exonerated more police officers than hurt.
I'm sure.
I'm just glad he didn't die.
He's dumb, but I mean.
Yeah, no, of course, of course.
But he's a fucking dumbass.
If they had seen that knife on the floor of his car before they had him cuffed up, he would have been in gunpoint at least.
We would have been absolutely cold.
So yeah, anyway, we could go.
We keep going.
But yeah, bro, whoever said that, Super Chattan, bro, I'll be honest with you, bro.
You're speaking from a position of privilege and you don't understand what it's like to be a law enforcement officer in America where you're under constant bullshit from criminals and you don't know these individuals and you're going in like cold.
So I hate Monday morning quarterbacks when people say that shit.
Also, also, if robots do come into play and they find you in the streets, they have no emotions.
So you're cooked either way.
We've all seen Robocop the movie.
Yeah.
That's what it's going to be like.
Yeah, 100%, bro.
All right.
What's the next one?
All right, what else have we got here?
Oh, here we go.
Response.
The simple fact of the cop is the cop allowed the situation to get out of his control and they overcorrected when backup arrived.
If the, I think he meant to say cop was afraid for his life when the door shut.
The cop would have immediately knocked out window and removed assailant.
These cops are incompetent and put their life in danger, but not control.
Pull over.
This dude could have driven off if he wants to.
All this said, it does not allow them to assault this individual the way they did.
Bro, why don't you be a cop then?
How about you?
What's your response to that?
Figure it out, bro.
Every line of this is bullshit.
It's like from my cousin Vinny.
Everything that guy just said is bullshit.
All of it.
So if the cop had broken the window before backup came up, would that have been safer for everybody or riskier?
Now he's one-on-one with the suspect.
Maybe he sees the knife in the car and now he has to shoot that guy because he can't risk that the guy is going to reach down for the knife on the floorboard.
Everything about that is bullshit.
There you go.
You got a former agent.
That's what I would expect from a $1 super chatter.
You know what's funny to me?
It's like you got a lawyer here and you got a former agent telling you that the cops acted fine and you're an idiot and you're still trying to argue.
Shut the fuck up, bro.
Who are you?
God damn.
Like, incredible.
Well, let's keep going.
It's the problem.
Some of you guys are fucking stupid and you guys think you're smart and you're really not.
What else we got?
Like, you guys already know.
If you say some dumb shit on here, this ain't like the feel-good podcast.
We're going to tell you you're a fucking retard.
So glad to see Andrew on here.
Everyone will benefit from getting this book and watching his YouTube channel.
Love the content.
FNF Gang, Greg.
That's my buddy, Greg Moore Mars.
Shout out to you, bro.
I love bikes, man.
But I'm over that shit, bro.
Got to survive.
I'm finished, dog.
All right, what else do we got?
Two more?
All right.
Fresh, can you read these?
Colonels, hey, Andrew, should all men start wearing body cams daily?
It's very unwieldy to do that.
People ask me about that all the time.
Like, should I have a dash cam in my car?
Should I have cameras in my house?
And what I always have to tell people is on your person would be very inconvenient.
In your car, at your home, it's probably a good idea.
But the real answer is, well, it depends on what's recorded.
If it records you doing things right, that's great.
And then you have evidence favorable to you.
But if you set up cameras and then you do things wrong, that's bad evidence for you.
So whether or not you should have cameras is really a function of, do you know what your legal rights are, what your privilege to use force is?
If you're using force within the legal boundaries, you want every camera in the world to record that.
But if you don't know what the legal rules are for use of force, you don't know if you're acting lawfully or not.
And then for all you know, all your cameras are recording you committing a crime.
That's scary, man.
I didn't read this book, bro.
Holy.
I don't know what I'm doing.
By the way, can I mention people can get the book for free?
We give this book away for free at lawselfdefense.com slash fresh.
Link down below, guys.
Free book.
Guys, he's right, though.
If you're in a situation where you don't know what to do and you do the wrong things on camera, you're cooked.
Most of what people think they're allowed to do in self-defense and use of force is wrong.
Most people have been miseducated.
They don't know what the legal boundaries are.
They're acting in good faith.
They're not acting out of malice, but they think they're allowed to go to the gun.
They think they're allowed to use their hands.
They think they're allowed to do things and they believe it, but it's not true.
And then when it gets exposed, they end up going to prison.
And that doesn't have to happen.
The rules are not complicated.
The rules are pretty straightforward.
But if you don't know what they are, you never know if you're acting lawfully.
All right.
What else have we got?
Any other chats, sir?
CBC Films asked about George Floyd.
What are your thoughts on the George Floyd fentanyl situation?
Fentanyl?
I think George Floyd died of a drug overdose and a very compromised physiology.
He was a very sick person.
He had respiratory disease.
He had very serious heart disease.
Criminal.
He had just chewed a whole bunch of tablets when the cops approached because he didn't want to be caught with the drugs.
He had very high levels of fentanyl in his blood system, and he made the poor decision to physically fight four cops for about 10 minutes before they got him on the ground.
I think his physiology And his drug overdose killed him.
I don't think, just look at that video.
When you see Derek Chauvin there, does he look like he's someone committing murder on camera?
No, man.
And the way he had his knee, it didn't cut off his ability to breathe because he's clearly screaming, saying, Mama.
And he was trained in that technique in the account.
And he's got a lot of money.
And I'm sure Derek Chauvin had used that exact technique.
He was a cop for 20 years.
He'd probably used it thousands of times and no one ever died.
He thought he was doing the most normal, typical thing in the world.
I am utterly convinced that no one was more surprised when George Floyd died than Derek Chauvin.
Yeah, I think he needs a pardon as well.
I don't think.
It never happened.
I mean, Trump can't pardon him for a state offense.
And that governor's.
He's in federal prison right now, though, right?
He is because, I mean, frankly, he's- If we were to get pardoned, yeah.
Trump could pardon him, but it would need to be Waltz, which we know Waltz is a bitch.
He ain't going to pardon him.
We need to pardon Tori Leans, bro.
Get a nigga out of there.
He's innocent.
Torrey Leans.
That's Newsome.
Torre Leans.
That's Newsome Gavin Newsome would have to do.
Torrelans, you know the case?
I don't think so.
Meg the Stallion.
Who was the one that allegedly shot Meg thee Stallion in the foot?
Oh, okay.
I don't know the story.
He said, dance, bitch, and he shot at her feet.
Allegedly, but we know he didn't shoot her.
Yeah, it wouldn't be cool to shoot someone in the foot for not dancing.
Alright, so I have something here interesting for you guys.
I think this is, so Some weirdo followed me back to where I was going after I did a podcast.
So I'll give you kind of the pattern of facts here.
Okay.
So this individual had been like harassing me for a couple weeks now, talking shit, whatever, trying to antagonize a fight.
So I had just wrapped up doing a street debate and I was walking back towards my spot.
And this guy comes up to me and starts problems.
Now, before we play this footage, I'll tell you guys right now, I should have just ignored this.
I'll take accountability.
I should have just ignored him and just walked away.
But obviously, I was very annoyed because it's been like the second or third time now that this fucking guy's been following me around talking shit.
So, but I do think you guys can learn from my mistake.
And we could kind of analyze it here with a self-defense lawyer.
Because a lot of you guys will find yourselves in a situation like this where you might be in a physical confrontation.
Again, didn't tell you guys.
I should have just walked away and ignored it.
But the fact that I didn't ignore it, we might be able to learn something here for your guys' benefit.
So I guess let's roll the clip and then, Andrew, anytime you want them to pause or whatever, go and give commentary.
Go ahead.
I'll let you take it.
We got blips in here.
Yeah, yeah, they know the timestamps of what?
Yeah, I swore a lot of this one.
I ain't gonna lie.
I swore a lot of this one.
So I'm walking my dog with my video guy.
What's good?
Shadow, push one of you.
Alright, you got your camera on, right?
Now I do.
You have something to say?
No.
Alright.
I have nothing to say to you, man.
You're trying to antagonize a fight.
You're a fucking fuck.
Hold on, how about this?
Turn your camera back on and say that again.
Yeah, yeah, do it on camera.
Okay, so that was actually a problem.
You definitely should not do that.
That can get you in trouble.
Do it.
So, just as a basic principle, if you cannot get in a fight with someone consistent with your own safety and the safety of people you have a duty to protect, if you can safely withdraw, you should always do that.
Because the moment you're hands-on in a fight, you just incurred two risks you were not incurring a moment before.
A risk of dying in the fight.
You don't know that guy's got a knife or got a gun or how crazy he is.
You could die right there.
And a risk of going to prison for the rest of your life.
You might end up killing that guy and someone decides that wasn't lawful self-defense.
You go to prison forever.
Absolutely.
If you're not in the fight, you don't run those risks.
But the moment you're hands-on, those are risks you are now incurring.
Okay.
Now, one of the issues here is there's a concept.
Obviously, if you're the initial aggressor, if you were to run up to that guy with your fist up, you would be the initial aggressor in the fight.
You're not doing that.
If you're the initial aggressor, you lose innocence.
You lose self-defense as a legal justice.
Whoever closes the gap fucks up.
But there's another way to lose innocence, and that is to be what's called a provoker with intent.
Provoker with intent is not the initial aggressor.
He's not the guy who throws the first punch, but he's the guy who provokes the other person to throw the first punch, so he'll have an excuse to use force against him.
Wow.
Gotcha.
Right.
So that's the, go ahead, throw the first punch.
Go ahead, hit me, hit me, I dare you.
No one's saying that because they want to get punched in the face, right?
They're saying that because they want the other guy to take a swing so they'll have an excuse to use force against him.
The courts hate that.
The law hates that.
That's another way you, if you do that, you lose self-defense.
Damn.
So when you're talking to this guy and you're saying, go ahead, say that again, put your camera on, say that again.
A prosecutor would try to characterize that as provocation with intent.
You're trying to provoke that guy into an angry state so you'll have an excuse to use force against him.
And if you do that, you don't have a legal justification of self-defense.
All right.
This is good information, guys.
Learn from my mistake, chat.
Learn from my mistake.
Don't do that shit.
So, and then he walked up to me starting saying, you know, what's good, blah, blah, blah.
This other shit.
I walked away.
I should have kept walking away.
But it's fine.
Like I said before, my L can be your guys' lesson.
So let's keep going here.
Let's keep playing the clip because I do think a lot of guys find themselves in this situation.
You got it?
Okay.
So it's recording.
So, so let me get this.
Let me came up to me to start shit.
Did you just put swords on everybody?
I forgot to mention that.
So he got on an altercation with one of my security guards.
My security guard pushed him off.
And then two weeks later, he came and tried to get the police to arrest my security guard.
And then that's why he came.
I'm trying to, yeah.
So that's why I said, why are you provoking a fight right now?
Did you just try to get my security guy fucking there?
So let's keep going.
Let's keep playing the clip.
That's what I'm referring to.
You're literally a bitch.
I want to come up to you.
I'm one of your property.
Bad words.
Yeah, bad words.
We're on YouTube, so I got to do it.
This is your problem.
Do something.
You want to fight?
Come, do something.
Come over here.
If you come over here, I'm going to fuck you up.
Yeah, see, that's the provocation.
Come over here.
I called you fuck mine.
You came in.
You said I had with you.
You came in.
This is honestly, because, guys, how many times do we get pissed off and we say shit like this?
Yeah, your pride gets engaged.
Yeah, your pride gets engaged.
Yeah, you come up to me.
Yeah.
I just did it.
Come right now.
I just did it.
Come right now.
Come right.
Hit me, hit me.
Hit me, hit me, hit me.
Hit me, hit me.
Hit me.
Hands up, right?
What are you going to do?
See yourself in trouble.
You're a fucking bitch.
Thank you.
And we're basically talking.
You guys are probably wondering we're just talking shits with each other.
Dude coming up to your fucking palace.
I'm on the side of the wall.
I'm on the side of the wall.
You want to fight me?
I'm scared to come up to you.
I don't want to fight.
You said it.
It's on video.
You said something.
Do something.
You want to fight me?
Fight me.
Hit me.
Let me show you guys after you guys.
Real quick.
This guy's like maybe 5'6, 5'7, like 160.
I don't know, 170.
Beer gut and shit.
I'm 6'3, like 200 pounds.
So, you know, but a lot of those guys will have weapons because they know they can fight.
Yeah, of course, of course.
Well, and the other risk here is even if it's not provocation with intent, it begins to look like mutual combat.
So mutual combat is when two guys just decide to settle their differences with their fists.
Just have a traditional fist fight.
Let's go outside and settle this as men.
Well, the way the law looks at that, you're both aggressors.
You're both unlawful aggressors in the fight, and neither one of you can justify your use of force as self-defense.
So at this point right now, just for the mutual combat to me.
So at this point, it's going to be mutual combat if we're to fight.
Okay.
All right, fair.
So no one has a fight.
So the truth is, if it ends up just being a fist fight, normally if the cops show up, they just send everybody home.
It's not a big deal.
But if it, you never know if it's going to escalate.
You don't know if that guy's going to pull a weapon out, and now you have to kill him.
And then it looks like deadly force mutual combat, which is dueling.
And dueling is not allowed.
Is dueling, isn't that legal in Texas?
No.
Dueling?
No?
Okay.
There are two states, Washington and Texas who do allow for mutual combat.
They take a different approach.
So in most states, if you engage in mutual combat, you both lose self-defense.
In those two states, if you engage in mutual combat, what the law says is, well, you're both consenting to each other's punches.
Okay.
You're agreeing to get into...
What you can't do, though, is you can't escalate it to deadly force.
Gotcha.
Because that would be an unlawful thing.
So there's mutual combat laws or dueling in Texas and Washington State.
Well, it's not dueling.
Dueling is deadly force.
Okay.
But they just let you have a fist fight, and they don't call it a crime.
Like hockey.
Okay.
Okay.
Damn.
Florida doesn't have that.
All right.
Let's keep going.
Because this is obviously in Miami.
So at this point, guys, it looks like, okay, so this would be considered just the term again for it?
Mutual combat?
Mutual combat.
Okay.
Let's keep going.
Let's call it out.
Yeah.
Because I'm the end of the day.
You said I won't girl.
You're out.
I'm fucking on you up to your face.
Fine.
You said I won't come up to you.
I came up to you four times.
So he admits that he's bothered me on four different occasions coming up to me, and I ignore him.
That's kind of why I responded in such an angry fashion.
Now, granted, I should have controlled myself better.
I'm not going to lie.
Because I have more to lose.
Which you guys are going to see here.
I do end up walking away and getting the better of, you know, understanding that I got to fucking exercise restraint.
But yeah, he approached me now four times.
Now, would you say that plays into it at all, Andrew, as far as like, I guess, in the totality of the circumstances where he's been approaching me multiple times now, and then I'm like, what the fuck?
I'm tired of this guy following me.
Well, you can't use force against someone just because they're annoying.
But you can use force against someone if they're trespassing.
If they're threatening you with non-deadly force, you can use non-deadly force in self-defense.
Like in the case we were talking about with Nick Fuentes, where he pepper sprays on the woman on the next porch.
She trespassed on his property.
She wasn't just an innocent visitor delivering.
She wasn't an Amazon driver delivering a package.
She was there to harass them.
She was there without privilege, without permission.
That's trespass.
You're allowed to use non-deadly force to stop a trespass.
You can't shoot someone for a trespass, but you can use pepper spray to stop a trespass, which is what he did, which is why I think his conduct is defensible.
But by the way, this kind of stuff is very important.
So a large part of what I do is cover these kinds of use of force events on video because we don't want people to learn this stuff from their own fights.
Yes.
We want people, like pilots, we don't want pilots learning about plane crashes from their own plane crashes.
Pilots learn about plane crashes from studying other pilots' plane crashes.
A lot of what I do at lawselfdefense.com is go through these videos, break them down so all of us can learn from other people's experiences.
Now, your whole audience is learning from this, right?
And guys, I bet you would do things differently.
You're learning from this.
Yeah, I am.
Yep.
I'm learning.
And then also, I know this is a very common occurrence where this happens all the time with fist fights.
So I'm like, you know what?
Though it's a bit embarrassing for me being an idiot doing this shit, I'm like, you know what?
You guys can learn from my list.
I could put my ego aside, get a professional to give criticism, and then who knows?
We might save someone's life because now they know, oh, well, I can't do this shit.
This is going to be mutual comment.
I'm not going to get self-defense.
I'm just going to walk away.
The smart play is to always be making egoless, emotionless decisions in self-defense.
Now, I'm a guy who carries a gun for personal protection.
I have every day my entire adult life.
I've never come close to needing it because I'm very good at not getting my ego engaged and extracting myself from these kinds of confrontations.
You know, I'm on YouTube too.
I have lunatics who are interested in me too.
But you have to make emotionless decisions.
The moment you feel your ego getting engaged, you're not making better decisions with your ego engaged than when it's not.
It's just not happening.
Absolutely right.
We'll keep playing it here.
And then Andrew will give his professional opinion on what if violence did occur, what would happen?
We got the clip?
Okay.
You're a cloud chasing fucking bitch.
Cloud chasing yes.
What am I cloud chasing?
You're pretty protecting.
You protect it.
You're protecting.
You're following.
I follow you, I won't call you a murder.
You're a f You.
Go inside.
Go inside.
You fucking bitch.
Go inside.
Go inside.
You follow me.
Go inside.
You start it.
Go inside.
You start it.
It's all on camera.
Make your fucking fake video.
Go back.
Yeah.
You got to press the security guy.
I'm here now.
When you want to fight me, I'm here now.
You want to fight me?
You fucking me, bro.
Hit me.
I'm the intranet, but in real life, you don't want to.
Oh, my God.
You guys might have not saw it.
He, like, said, hit me a couple times and put his face there.
Now he's provoking with intent.
Now, if I socked them right then and there, what would have happened?
Well, the question would be...
I ain't gonna lie.
I had my left hand ready.
I was like, I could fucking knock this guy out right now.
Why should you do it?
You can't punch him because he's taunting you.
You could only use non-deadly force.
I want to punch him.
Well, of course, we all do.
But what the law would say is, unless you had a, unless other people, a jury, believed you had a reasonable perception of a threat of harm from him, you can't use force in self-defense.
Gotcha.
All right.
Yeah.
As much as I wanted to do it, I didn't do it.
And by the way, he might deserve it.
I mean, we can imagine living in a world where it would be permissible to punch someone for taunting you, right?
That might not be a bad world to live in.
That might be a much more polite world than what we have today.
So I'm not making moral judgments about this.
You're going to think this is what the law is.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
And this is important.
This is very important.
Let's keep playing it and then we'll close it out.
And then we'll have Andrew give a...
You fucking dumbass.
You're a drunken, fucking dumbass.
That fuck J Saints.
You're a dumb second.
Fuck God, you.
You're not fuck you.
You don't do shit.
You're not fucking like, man, dumb.
Now, I should have just walked away, given myself some criticism here.
I was just so fucking pissed off because it's like the third or fourth time this guy's like followed me and harassed me.
And he's also like taking video of me while I'm walking Frank and I don't see him.
And people have like sent it to me.
So like he'll be like, I'll be walking around Brickle with Frank and he's behind me like three blocks away recording saying like, oh, look at this weirdo.
And he puts it on the internet.
It's weird.
So to me, I was like, what the fuck, man?
And he's, and people have sent me these clips like, yo, look, this guy's like stalking you or recording you as you're walking with your dog.
Now, I would document all that.
Yeah, yeah.
So I would save all that, just put it in a file on your computer.
So if the lunatic ever shows up with a gun or a knife and you have to, really have to defend yourself, you have all that documentation, all that context.
Otherwise, it's just your word.
Yeah.
And no one has to believe you.
Yeah, of course.
So yeah, I guess I walked away from it.
I think I should have walked away from it sooner, but I do think that this is a good learning lesson here.
I mean, if you walk away, you go back to your great life.
That guy's still a loser.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So if we did, so hypothetically speaking, if we did get into a fight, probably both of us would have got arrested, right?
No self-defense for either party?
Well, you're at risk.
So there wouldn't be a legal justification.
The cops generally, if no one's seriously hurt, they don't want to make an arrest.
If they can send everybody home, it's easier for them.
They don't have to do a report, all that kind of stuff.
The trouble is you don't know how the fight's going to go.
That's not within your control.
That other guy gets a vote.
Or if I fuck him up, I'm definitely going to go to jail.
We're all a 50-cent box cutter swipe across the neck from sitting on the curb with all the blood running out of our fingers.
You don't know the guy's got a box cutter in his pocket.
Yeah.
You never know.
All right.
Fair enough.
I mean, when in doubt, guys, just walk away.
Learn from my mistake.
If you can safely.
Well, yeah, if you can safely.
Of course.
Which I could have.
Which is why I wanted you guys to see it, man, because this happens every fucking day.
Every single one of you guys in this chat has probably been in a situation like that with someone harassing you and you fucking get back and you engage because you want to beat them up and you're pissed off.
That guy is very, very weird, though.
He is definitely weird.
Sun's all right, man.
Yeah, son's off.
Yeah.
And then I could go to jail for beating up a retard.
That'd be bad.
Hate to, you know, be like, what the hell?
Or maybe, maybe get sued.
Yeah, I get sued.
Yeah.
What do we got next?
Any other chats?
Okay, Myron, I'm by no means against the police, but I've seen an officer reach in and smack a civilian while and before ordering them to get out.
I've never seen.
Never seen a cop reach in and smack someone.
Well, he was ordered to get out seven times.
So they knew he was forcibly non-compliant.
All right, who's up next?
That's it.
Okay, did you want to react to, is there another use of force one you want to react to?
Let's go.
You want to do the Nick one?
Nick Fuentes?
Up to guys.
We could if you want.
I think the chat would like to see it.
Is Chris here with the girls or no?
10-11.
Are the girls here or no?
10-11.
Okay.
You want to give him closing words?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is Chris here not coming to the game?
He's sick?
Yeah.
Okay.
All that honey.
Something got here.
Yeah.
All that honey got him fucked up.
All right.
Well, yeah, Andrew, I guess I'll give you the last word then.
You know, where can people find you?
What projects you got going on?
Awesome.
First of all, thanks for having me on.
I'm a big fan of your show, so I really appreciate it.
I'm a fan of yours.
This is a bucket list experience for me.
So I really appreciate it.
Again, I do two things.
I do this law of self-defense stuff.
I help defend people in cases, and I teach people how to be hard to convict if they're ever compelled to defend themselves.
We give this book away for free, folks.
That's how important we think it is for you to have this information.
You can get it at lawofselfdefense.com slash fresh.
The other thing I do is my YouTube channel, The Andrew Branca Show.
I do political and legal analysis just about every day of the week.
And so check me out there.
Give it a look, The Andrew Branca Show on YouTube.
Let me ask you this then, so we can leave the guys with something like with a little bit of value.
What would you say are the top two or three tips that you can give someone so that it would be very hard for a prosecutor to bring charges against them when it comes to self-defense?
Two or three tips.
The biggest tip is to be egoless and don't get engaged in confrontations.
Don't be getting into fights you don't need to be getting into.
That's the most important thing you can do.
Only be engaging in fights that come to you that are not safely avoidable.
Now, you might do that and still screw it up.
That's why we have the book, obviously.
So if you can't avoid the fight, you still have to fight within the legal boundaries.
But the single biggest thing I see people do wrong is getting engaged in the confrontation in the first place.
Like I just did.
Which guys don't do that.
Or road rage.
It's normal.
We're emotional beings.
It's normal to feel this way about these confrontations.
And I'm really glad that you mentioned the whole provoke thing.
So if someone comes at you and then you provoke them to come at you even further, that's bad, right?
Yep.
It could be provocation with intent.
You're trying to get them to take a swing as an excuse to punch them.
Or at least it looks like mutual combat.
You're trying to get him to agree to have a fist fight with you.
Which both ways you lose yourself.
You lose self-defense.
Now, let me say this then.
Let's say you tell them, instead of saying, come over here and see what happens, you say, look, man, I don't want to, if you come near me, I'm going to be forced to defend myself.
Yeah, that's different.
That's neither of those.
You're giving them a warning.
Look, I don't want to have to do anything.
Because you're not consenting to fight, so it's not mutual combat, and you're not provoking them to fight.
Okay.
So if you say something along the lines of, I don't want to fight, but I will defend myself.
Yeah.
That's what I would encourage.
Just get your hands up like this.
Very placating to witnesses.
It looks very peaceful, right?
Hey, man, I don't want to fight.
This is a great defensive position.
this is great to block blows coming in.
It's great to reach for weapons on your waistband if you carry weapons.
It's a wonderful defense, but it doesn't look offensive.
It doesn't look like this.
It doesn't look like you want to fight.
And then just be backing up, create space, create distance.
A lot of times these people are bullies.
They just want to control their immediate environment.
And if you can walk away from the fight, that's a great way for normal law-abiding people to win a fight is to not have to get into the fight in the first place.
You won.
Gotcha.
Okay.
So instead of saying, come over and see what happens, it should be, just stay back.
I want to stay back.
I will defend myself.
Give them a little bit of a warning.
If I have to.
You might say, listen, if you keep coming closer, I'm going to have to defend myself.
And by the way, you should in your mind.
So this is more of a tactical thing, but it's useful legally because it's easy to explain the reasons for your decision making and reasonableness is one of the requirements for self-defense.
But you might make a decision to yourself, like, if that guy gets within six feet, then I'm going to have to defend myself.
So you set up kind of a trip line in your mind.
If that guy crosses that bush, that's close enough that I have to defend myself or I won't be.
Can you tell the aggressor that?
What I would tell him is not so much where the trip line is because that might influence his own decision making, but I would tell him not to come any closer.
If you come any closer, I'm going to have to defend myself.
So please stay back.
I don't want any trouble.
Because the trouble with fighting in self-defense is you don't want to be doing it if you don't have to, right?
You want 0% force if you can safely get away with that.
But when you do have to fight, you have to be fighting 150%.
You have to win.
If you don't win the physical fight, nothing else matters, right?
If you lose the physical fight, all the rest of this is just nonsense to me.
So for law-abiding people, it's very binary.
It's like a light switch.
No fighting, no fighting, no fighting, no fighting, 150%.
Gotcha.
Dead men tell no tales.
Yeah.
All right.
I mean, hey, man, guys, learn from my mistake.
That was a lot of excellent information.
Right now, even my mind, I know how to deal with this in a better state.
We learned it.
We didn't know.
Now we know.
I'm glad that we have a professional here that can literally break it down, whatever.
And again, that situation that I was in, guys, some of you guys have probably been in that situation throughout your life multiple times.
Every one of us.
I'm glad they were able to break that.
They saved somebody's life.
That guy's very weird, bro.
Yeah.
Very weird.
Idiot.
What else we got next here?
Okay.
557k viewers in three days.
We're fucking growing.
Fixing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, bro.
People really like that episode.
That trip.
So let's go.
For a personal experience, next girlfriend ruined my life with a false physical assault allegation.
Is there a way an attorney can utilize studies suggesting that the perceived likelihood of false accusations by women is often overestimated in the legal system, especially when a lack of concrete evidence is present?
No.
Sadly.
Because the parties are going to be judged as individuals.
So what you can do is if the woman has a pattern of bad behavior, just like I said, document this crazy dude.
If a woman has got a pattern of bad behavior, document it.
If she's sending you crazy emails and text messages, document all that so you have a record of it.
The best thing to do, of course, is just escape the woman, right?
Remove yourself from that scenario.
All right.
And then there's one more, right?
There's no Vijay J that's worth going to jail over.
You're right.
No Vijay.
W show from Whole Flation.
All right.
All right.
Cool.
Guys, we're going to be back with some lovely ladies for After Hours.
And what?
Speedy?
Yes.
And Hope Flacian.
All right.
What are the best tools for self-defense to protect me and my family as someone who's much smaller than me, 5'10?
Get a gun.
Hopefully, forget when and where it happened, but I saw this one police department bring a news reporter to show them the reaction time.
And the police have to react to a life and death situation during a police stop.
Needless to say, the news reporter was put on the cop's shoes the whole time and realized how little time they had to make a decision.
Yeah, I remember that.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
They put a bunch of newscasters in use of force situations that cops are always in.
All of them shut their guns.
Yeah, when they do that, the journalists shoot everybody.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, so this is why I have such.
This is why I have such little respect for civilians like the other retard that came in and said, oh, that was excessive, whatever.
Motherfucker, you've probably never been in a fight or a life or death situation like that before because you're talking from 2020 hindsight.
So yeah, when they did that, it was actually very eye-opening how regular people pull the trigger immediately when they're in a situation like that.
Before you guys speak about somebody, put yourself in your shoes to understand full context because cops are people too.
So anyway, yo, Andrew, it's great having you, man.
We're doing a bunch.
And yeah, man, we'll see you.
Great show.
Yeah, yeah, we'd love to have you back on.
Yeah, I'd love to come back.
We'll be back on in case this happens or something like that.
Yeah.
I got your number, so we'll be back to the end.
All right.
Absolutely.
Later, guys.
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