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Feb. 14, 2025 - Fresh & Fit
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Thank you.
What's up, guys?
It's your man, Donovan Sharpe, and welcome to a special Fresh and Fit.
I don't know what day it is, to be quite honest with you, but I'm coming to you guys live from the beautiful state of North Carolina.
I'm actually dealing with some family stuff, some very important family stuff.
If you hear a baby crying in the background, I promise you that's not mine.
That's my sister-in-law's.
She's got a 13-month-old that she's trying to wrangle.
Please do not adjust your television sets.
This is a very important episode tonight, guys.
And we're going to go all the way back to the beginning, but I want to give you guys sort of the overarching message of why we're all here.
We all know that the Red Pill, the Manosphere, etc., etc., we've taken a lot of slings and arrows over the years.
It appears that our reputation has been greatly, greatly sullied.
And I think what we want to do here tonight is to let you guys know that, hey, we are still here for you.
The mission remains the same.
Yes, we are all human.
Yes, we step in shit every once in a while.
You know, we have lives outside of this business like everybody else does.
But we just want to let you guys know that the Manosphere ain't going nowhere.
The Red Pill's not going anywhere.
So let's go ahead and meet our panel.
First up is the man in Tokyo, Japan, where I think it's like, I don't know, 2.30 in the afternoon on like a Sunday evening out there.
It is Modern Life Dating.
MLB, what's up, brother?
10.30 Saturday morning.
How you guys doing?
Thank you so much for having me here.
I got the invite.
Just want to show support.
And I'd like to apologize in advance for Clary being here.
Listen, we forgive you.
We forgive you.
Seamlessly segues to our next panelist is Aaron Clary.
What's going on, Clary?
I'm getting ESG social credit score points for hanging out with Modern Life John because he's a special needs person who definitely has special needs.
That's why I'm here.
I'm here to show support.
We love you, John.
You're doing very well.
Very, very good.
Next up is the man in Las Vegas.
He is the host of the Access Vegas podcast.
He is the great Michael Sartain.
How you doing, man?
Hey, welcome, man.
I'm really glad to have you guys or to see you guys on Valentine's Day.
I can't think of anyone else I would rather spend Valentine's with than you guys.
And I get to show off my new studio.
So that was a pretty cool thing.
And I get to see you guys all over the world.
Looking good.
And you and I, we actually have the same body type.
Like, my chest looks just like yours, only upside down.
So I've got a little bit of envy there.
And last, of course, and certainly not least, the one half of the world-famous number one men's podcast in the world.
It is Fresh Prince CEO. What's going on, man?
We're here, man.
It is Friday.
It's V-Day.
But in any case, it's G-Day for us anyway.
Myra's going to be here as well, like an hour later.
But let's get into it.
All right, very good.
So what we're going to do is we're going to take it all the way back to the beginning.
What we're going to do is I'm going to go around the panel.
I'm going to ask each and every one of you guys how you found this community, the Red Bull community, the Manosphere.
Who inspired you?
Who were the first content creators you watched?
How did you get into the space?
Let's start off with MLD. Tell us sort of your origin story in terms of how you found yourself here in the sphere.
Well, I had been...
I don't have the traditional Red Bull story where I was a virgin until I was 25, and then I read the Rational Mail, and my whole life was changed.
I kind of grew up around women all the time, and I was never really afraid to talk to them.
I think that's the largest battle most guys have, is they're just afraid to talk to girls.
And I think once you get to talk to women, you talk to enough women, you start to notice a pattern.
I used to browse the Red Pill subreddit in 2009, 10, and 11 before it got PSYOPed and then they deleted it.
I was looking for people to link up with and just reading reports, reading field reports.
Back in the day, there was a lot more guys taking action and a lot less theory on there.
And then, you know, I actually started, I had a mentor, which I think is the backbone of all success.
Like, you need a mentor.
And I was mentored by a small YouTube channel guy named Player Supreme.
And he's really old school.
He passed away now, rest in peace.
Oh, shit!
Yeah, he taught me a lot back in the day.
Wow.
And he's a great guy.
And then, you know, the forums lead you to Twitter.
And then, you know, I think you start following people like Roosh because he was the big name then.
I never really leaned into the whole PUA stuff.
I just thought the way those guys were dressed was pretty goofy, like the big hat.
I just thought, like, why would somebody wear a big, goofy hat with goggles on it?
I was like, that's just kind of not how the real world works.
And I kind of started seeing...
There was a big divide happening between flashy advice that looked good for clicks, views, and television and real advice that actually got women to follow you and serve you and want to be by your side.
You didn't have to trick women to be with you.
You didn't have to like...
Be a dancing little monkey.
You became a quality man, and they wanted to be around you.
And then I think it was 2013, 2014, 2015. That's kind of when we had the Mike Sertovich, Danger and Play, the Bold and Determined, Victor Pride, that kind of blogging era of masculinity.
That's when you started making your plays, too, Don.
Yes, sir.
And then, you know, I just was on Twitter heavily.
And then, you know, Rolo just started following me.
I started following him.
And then I remember that one guy, he used to call himself Christian McQueen.
He bailed out on a Red Queen episode.
And then Rolo hit me up on Twitter.
He's like, hey, man, you want to come on the show?
And then you brought me on.
And then that was from there.
It was history, man.
We had that big resurgence in 20—I think it started in 2018. And I was always telling you guys, and I was always telling you guys back in 2018, 2019, I said, dude, because I had left America.
See, I left America because I saw the writing on the wall of how America was going to be where it is now.
I left in 2012, and I knew that we were going to reach a critical mass, and I knew that red pill was eventually going to hit the mainstream and people were going to be publicly aware because girls in America, like I'm sorry.
They're just like on a global level, American women at the very bottom.
Like talk about body weight.
You talk about desirability.
You talk about divorce rate.
I mean, you talk about everything.
Nobody's lining up to, like, oh, man, I dream of being with an American girl, unless it's, like, some Indian, you know, trying to come to America, and he thinks all girls are blonde and blue eyes.
You know, guys are thinking, like, man, I want a Brazilian girl.
Man, I want a Japanese girl.
Man, I want to be with a Filipino.
Man, I want to be with, like, a hot European girl, like a Ukrainian, a Russian.
No one's really lusting after American women.
So I saw the writing on the wall, and I saw what was going to happen, and I just...
Sat down and I started live streaming consistently in 2019 with one purpose and one purpose only.
Getting as many guys to come and sit down and actually do the work and do the things necessary to transform their lives.
Because anybody who's anybody and who's worth their salt will tell you, there's no way you're going to make massive transformation on your own.
I don't think anybody in this panel has gone without mentorship.
I don't think anybody here would speak against mentorship either because that's the only way you're going to learn.
If you want to learn something in college, you've got to go learn from somebody who's already done it.
You want to go learn boxing, you're not going to raid a boxing textbook in your garage and become a world champion, right?
So I just really focused on...
Training guys and getting guys moving forward.
And that's what I met Myron before Freshman Fit even started.
I kind of gave him an idea of what he could do with himself and his brand, and it taught him the power of digital marketing.
And Myron has an incredible work ethic, and here we are.
Yes, he does.
Clary, tell us the Aaron Clary superhero origin story because you are, and it's interesting because when I first got to know you, I was not aware that you were red-pilled.
I remember asking, well, you're not red-pilled.
You were like, yeah, definitely red-pilled.
But you come from the minimalist financial shrewdness side of living the red-pilled life, sort of taking control of things.
How did you get started in this space?
It was blogging way back in the day.
I started my blog in 2004 from a financial, economic, political perspective.
And there's plenty of stuff to talk about in those fields.
But it was also red pill in a way that you've been being lied to about many other things outside of women and dating, which is economics, politics and all that.
And then invariably, the two worlds would meet.
Because if you think about it, men spend a tremendous amount of their time, money, and resources on the pursuit of women.
Matter of fact, it's most of their time, money, and resources, especially if you're younger.
And it was inevitable that you'd have to talk about your time budget and personal finances and personal choices you'd make, not just in terms of cars or houses or interest rates, but hey, what are you doing with women, especially with the financial risk of divorce?
That evolved, and then I made the jump from blogging to podcasting.
Then we did podcasting to YouTube in 2014, because I had enough books out by that time.
People were sending me questions.
I created Asshole Consulting as kind of a joke to get people to say, look, I can't answer all your questions, so I'm going to have to charge you, thinking no one would pay me.
Here we are, where most people did, and that took a life on its own.
And that's kind of the evolution of how I got onto YouTube.
That's my main performance on YouTube, is answering those people's kind of Dear Abby questions, except from Red Pill Community Lens, which includes finance now, as well as dating and all that other stuff.
And so, yeah, fast forward, what, 21 years later?
Wow.
And here we are, yeah.
And so that's kind of my origin story.
Okay.
Now, Michael, as far as I know, you're relatively new in this space.
I think that Access Vegas, if I'm not mistaken, you've done it for a year and a half, two years.
Maybe I'm off.
Maybe I'm not.
And, of course, you partner up with Rolo.
How did you find your way into this space that eventually was the genesis of Access Vegas?
So I retired from the military in 2011, and then I moved to Las Vegas, and I started throwing these just outrageous events.
I either started throwing the events or, and Rollo can talk to you about them.
I mean, Fresh has been to them before.
And these events are like three or four girls to every guy.
And I would do this over and over again.
And then I would occasionally, because I was friends with Owen Cook and I'm friends with Mystery, occasionally I would get...
Ask to go speak on certain panels and say, okay, what is it that you're doing that's different?
Because the girls that you're with always seem to be really, really attractive and you seem to have a lot of women with you.
But I didn't want to teach this.
I wanted to stay out of this professionally.
I was still working at a fund as a quantitative analyst.
And then later on, I think there were kind of a couple of inflection points.
First was I started the podcast in July of 2021. And I had a bunch of friends who wanted to come on, and so I started doing a podcast.
And I'll tell you, it was probably 2015, Ty Lopez introduced me to Dr. David Buss from the University of Texas at Austin, who's the world's foremost evolutionary psychologist.
So I started to get really heavy into evolutionary psychology, read every book I could by Robert Trivers and Jeffrey Wilson and every single content creator that I could find or every single PhD I could find on the subject.
And then I started my own company, Men of Action, probably December 2019. It didn't really take off until the next year, but we had a lot of demand because I had been speaking for several years before that.
And then what I wanted to do was take all these outrageous experiences I would have at the Playboy Mansion or at the Maxim parties, and I was trying to share with men how I got to this place.
And then try to use a scientific backing behind it.
And so, my 10th episode, I had Bulzerian on, and then later on, I had Dr. Buss on, and then later on, I had Rollo on.
Now, the reason why I had Rollo on was I did a bikini, so I host the three biggest bikini competitions in the world.
One at What Republic for 100 grand, the one for Paradise Challenge Black Tape Project, and then I host Swimsuit USA every November.
The one I did for Wet Republic, I had one time where I had like 70 girls at the show and I have this video where I'm walking down the staircase and the girls are just following me.
And I can't remember what the music was or whatever.
Anyway, Andrew Tate, his people reached out to me after he saw the video, liked the video, started following me.
He reached out to me on Instagram and then me and Andrew started talking back and forth.
And we were talking about doing a podcast together.
Andrew said he was going to come to the States back then.
And I was actually, it was funny because he still had a lot of heat on him.
And I was talking to some of the nightlife directors for MGM and some other places because I figured if Andrew was going to come back to the States, he was going to have to keep it under wraps.
So I was planning, I was like, hey bro, if you come here, G14 classification, I'll take care of it.
Make sure nobody harasses you or whatever.
He says, I can't come to the States, but you need to.
Could you talk to my buddy, Justin Waller?
He's like one of my close friends, whatever.
Justin comes down, does my podcast.
We immediately become like super good friends.
Me and Justin, we talk on a regular basis.
He gets me.
I'm from Texas.
He's from Louisiana.
We just have a very, very, there's almost nothing Justin and I disagree with when it comes to like Red Pill stuff.
And then Justin then goes the next week to see Rolo in Reno, does a show with him.
Rolo then sees my stuff and then he goes, hey man, Do you want to do a podcast?
He comes, and I had, because I'd read all Rolo's books, I do a four-hour podcast with Rolo, and he'll tell you even to this day, it's the most, it's the most, I have the most intricate podcast with Bilzerian, with Adam Sosnick.
With Rolo Tomasi, like certain guys I do, I'll say Aaron Clary too.
When I interviewed Aaron, I go through all of their books before I do the interview.
So Rolo was really impressed.
He goes, hey, do you want to do a show here in Vegas?
We'll do Access Vegas.
And I was like, well, I know thousands of girls, bikini models.
I know girls with PhDs.
I know girls who are doctors.
I know girls who are porn stars, whatever.
I was like, yeah, for sure.
So I would book the girls and then we do the show.
Then Rolo comes to my birthday party.
And then that's when he actually sees the fucking chaos.
It was me, no guys, and 50 girls showed up to my birthday party.
And I showed him how I did it.
And then that's where the confluence of theory and practice came together.
He had really good theory.
His way of explaining hypergamy and concepts in Red Pill were better than anything I'd ever done before.
Here's the way I like to explain what the rational male is.
People try to criticize stuff that was written in that book that comes from essays that were almost 20 years ago.
That's not the point.
The rational mail is a piece of dynamite.
Sometimes to move a boulder, you need a shovel, and sometimes you need dynamite.
The rational mail is just dynamite.
It's an explosion to get you to move, to actually see some truths that you didn't see before.
It wasn't that I read the rational mail and I was like, oh, I didn't know this.
I knew this.
I used to manage a strip club back in 2000. I'm very aware of how women's hypergamous actions were.
It was, I'd never seen anyone describe it.
Same thing, you've ever read Jocko Willick?
Jocko Willick describes military leadership better than anyone I've ever seen.
And the way that Rolo describes the dynamics between men and women is better than anyone I'd ever seen.
So I teamed up with him, and he would kind of do the theory stuff, and I would do the practice stuff.
And then that's how we started our show.
And we've been doing it for a while, Men of Action.
We just crossed 3,500 members to join the company, Men of Action.
And then I do partner with Rolo for his Reignite.
His Reignite brand.
And then I also partnered with Blazerian for his Sigma Society brand as one of the coaches there.
So that's pretty much where I've been since then.
And I try to, for this space, and I think Aaron does the same thing.
I try to, if you have discussions about these topics with coworkers, family members, blue-pilled alphas, or women who absolutely have no idea what they're talking about, and you want data in order to win the debate.
Check my show out.
My show is about providing you with data, actual hard science, data, evolutionary psychology studies to show, like, for instance, promiscuity is not good for men or women.
It causes both men and women to have lower marital satisfaction, but the variance in women is two to one versus men.
Absolutely.
Women show even more, more marital dissatisfaction the higher their body count is.
That's something why I have a friend of mine, he's a Hollywood director.
He shows this to his assistant who's like super woke and she's like, no, that's misogynistic.
No, it's a fact that's backed up by data and science.
So what I tried to do with my podcast and Access Vegas is give guys in this space data and science, hard facts in order to have these discussions so that people, because again, If something is true, it is not racist.
If something is true, it is not bigoted.
If something is true, it is not misogynistic.
It is only true.
And so that's what I've been trying to do with my channel.
So it's a little bit less bombastic, but it's more data-driven because I'm a quant.
And I studied physics in college.
I like to have, basically, if you want the research in order to win the debate, then that's why I try to turn my channel into.
And also, we have tons of girls on the show also.
Super impressive.
Before I get to fresh, what you just said about Rolo Tomasi, the way you described it, it's not that Rolo, it's not that he was teaching us anything we didn't already know.
We as men, men and women, we intrinsically understand things because it's in our very firmware.
Rolo just put, he just explained it to us.
It's almost like, yes, I knew this to be true.
And I think that's why the rational male, for a lot of reasons, is the dynamite.
Fresh, you are one half of the Fresh and Fit podcast, man.
Obviously, one of the most famous people in the world.
How did you get started in this space?
Real quick, I got to say, man, Donovan, you're a good moderator, man.
Don't let me tell you otherwise.
Oh, yeah, of course.
Thank you.
So, yeah, this started in 2021. Sorry, 2017. I just left the Barbados coming to America, and I want to be successful.
I didn't know how.
I just knew, hey, opportunities here in America.
Come over here and figure it out.
What happened was I started applying for jobs, finally got a job, worked two jobs, Chick-fil-A and AT&T. And then, funny enough, I started saving money, investing money as well into myself.
Then I looked at real estate, how to invest as well, how to further my career.
And then I started living a good lifestyle.
I had money saved up.
I go out with friends, enjoy.
I started to see how the culture in America was.
Because in Barbados, obviously, it's a lot of tourists.
You know, you're going to the beach, have fun.
It's not that hard to talk to girls in that environment.
But here, it's like, yo, if you're a regular dude, it's not that easy because you've got to either have game, charisma, money, or status.
One of these elements, all of them are all of the above.
In any case, I was living my lifestyle, and then I started getting a better life, having more money, having more status.
And then I met Solar TV 84. He saw my Instagram page, saw what's going on.
He said, bro, let's do a podcast.
I'm like, podcast?
Like, I'm not the best speaker, bro.
You know, I'm pretty much just living the lifestyle.
But fuck it, let's do it.
So we did the podcast.
And before we did the podcast, though, just back up on my story.
I was trying to learn the culture here in America.
And I was more from a religious background.
So I married a single mom, you know?
And that taught me so much about...
Women, marriage, and, like, single mothers, right?
And, obviously, you guys say, obviously, it's an L, but I understood one thing from that experience, is that if I was going to win at life and be successful, I can't make mistakes like that anymore.
Right.
So, I felt alone.
I felt, like, kind of, like, trapped.
And I was like, hold on.
What do I do here?
So, I'm looking online.
Okay.
Dating single mothers, is it bad?
Is it good?
I find a solo TV before.
I find Willa Tomasi, King Riches, and some other creators as well.
Long story short, though, I was like, yo, this is crazy.
I've been doing the wrong things here, especially marrying a single mom, and this isn't working well for me.
I've got to exit right now.
So that night, I went home.
I said, hey, listen, this is what's going on.
I've got to end this.
And in two weeks, I was finished with that.
I was looking at the Red Pill and all this dating stuff.
I saw, okay, cool.
If I can avoid certain mistakes or maneuver a certain way, I can benefit or move further ahead in life and be successful.
So at that point, I was full into Red Pill, looking at stuff.
Obviously, I didn't have the rage per se, but I was more like, you know what?
I see where I messed up.
Awesome.
Then Solo hit me up on Instagram.
After a while, we did that podcast.
He said, listen, bro, there's a guy in Miami that does fitness videos.
You should look at him.
I'm like, fitness videos.
Trying to make some money, bro.
Not fitness videos.
Anyhow, so then Myron DMs me on Instagram.
We speak for like an hour on the video call.
And then before you know it, let's have dinner, bro.
So it's me and my roommate Casey and Myron went to Top 42 Midtown.
Ah, Casey, yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I'm just a chill guy, bro.
We just had dinner.
Me and Myron talked.
Let's do our own podcast.
And we spoke about our first show, Cold Approach, and then Online Dating.
Because obviously...
I'm an Instagram wizard.
I'm going to Instagram for business and for dating.
And I turned my whole life around just from using Instagram the right way.
And at that point, we did one show a week, pretty much like our separate properties.
I did it in my bedroom.
He did it in his living room.
And people liked it.
You know, we talked about dating, our struggles as men in Miami.
And pretty much, people were like, you know what?
You should do more.
So we did two a week, then three a week.
And eventually, we got a studio, and the rest was history.
But at that point, the turning point for me was...
When I married a single mother, I feel like, dude, I made a big mistake in my life.
I don't know what to do here.
But looking online, for you guys' videos, it changed my entire life.
So I got to say to the RP, thank you, man, because it changed me as a man.
I made me a better person.
So good stuff.
We got a couple of new panelists who just jumped in.
We got the godfather himself, Roland Tomasi.
I'll get to him in a second.
We got the angry man in the house.
Now, angry man, you and I have known of each other for years, but we have never been on the same podcast.
I happen to be, like, this is, it's absolutely incredible.
I know that you're in, I think you're in North Carolina.
I lived in North Carolina for the better part of 20 years before I started, you know, traveling extensively.
So I guess I'll pose the question to you.
How did you find your way into, you know, the Manosphere, you know, the Red Pill space, from your perspective?
Well, I started out, Back in, I want to say, 2012, 2013, I actually wrote a couple articles.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, I got you.
I'm saying you're an OG. Yeah, I actually wrote a couple articles for Voice for Men.
I joined a few of the shows that Paul Elam had, Dr. Paul Elam had.
Yes, yes.
I think it was Honey Badger Radio or something like that.
But not long after that, I actually started my own channel in like 2015, which predominantly dealt with issues about child support, family court, things of that nature.
And from there, it just kind of took off.
I linked up with a lot of different guys, many of which you know.
Yep.
No need to really name everybody, you know what I'm saying?
You know, just from there, just kept it going, you know, kept cranking out content, and here I am.
Okay, all right.
Good stuff.
Of course, last but not least, I guess for now, the guy that we call the godfather of the Manosphere, it is Rolo Tomasi.
So, Rolo, you're the godfather.
You're sort of where this thing sort of begins and ends, you know.
And whether people want to agree or disagree, whatever the case may be, you're the godfather.
Always have been and always will be.
How did you find your way into this space?
Unmute yourself.
There we go.
I just want to say, just to keep the record straight here, it was actually Pat Campbell who gave me the name The Godfather.
Oh, okay.
Godfather or Godfather.
Well, you know, the thing that's funny is I used to do Pat Campbell's terrestrial radio show, and he would introduce me to Godfather Manosphere, and then it just stuck after that.
No, I've been doing this for...
If you count what I did in the So Suave days, in the forum days, I've been doing this for probably 22 years now, 23. So, as you guys know, I am the author of the Rational Mail series of books, but everybody always goes back to the first book.
But I got five.
Five different books now, yeah.
I'm working on a sixth.
And then, gosh, I mean, I came up through the forum days.
Then there was the blog days.
It was just one of the three R's of the Manosphere, which was Rolo, Roosh, and Royce.
And then, you know, just little by little, everybody kind of fell off, and I'm the last man standing.
The last R standing.
And so from that point on, I just did The Rational Mail, my blog in 2011. The first book came out, published in 2013. And the last one I published was in 2022. So I've been doing this for quite some time.
Then there was the YouTube years, I guess.
And actually, I didn't even have a channel until Pat Campbell said, hey, let's do a show on Sundays.
That's why people keep asking me, why do you- I remember those.
Why do you do your shows on Sundays at 1 p.m.
Pacific?
And I'm like, well, because that was the only time Pat could do it because he was Catholic.
So mass was over for him at like three because he was in Central Time.
So it was like three o'clock.
And so that I was one o'clock.
So and then I just kept doing it after he passed away.
And then just I started working with Mike in August of 2022. And we just got together through Justin.
Justin Waller and Justin put us together and so we did one podcast on his show and then after that I said hey do you want to do a Do you want to do Access Vegas?
Well, we didn't call it Access Vegas at the time, but I said, do you want to do a show?
He's like, hell yeah, I want to do a show.
So I started just making commutes down from Reno to Vegas, and the travel just got too much, so now I'm actually living in Vegas.
I've been living in Vegas for almost in March.
It'll be a year.
So you moved to Reno, and then I moved to Vegas.
Yeah, as soon as I moved to Reno, you get up out of there.
Literally the year that I moved, you moved in.
But I've been doing this for a while.
I mean, if you do want me to highlight some stuff, I was on Tim Pool last year, on Dr. Phil.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't even know where to begin.
But I've been doing this for a long, long time, and that's, I guess, my pedigree.
Okay, very good.
So now let's get into sort of the meat and potatoes and kind of take a snapshot from when you found this community to where it is now.
I'll start with Sartain here.
When you begin to, because something tells me you were probably a little bit more red pill aware before you found the Rational Mail, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
Right, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, I used to manage a strip club for four years when I was.
Before I joined the military.
And I just, I remember the first time being 21, 22 years old and seeing a woman come into the dressing room and her husband or her boyfriend had beaten the crap out of her.
All the girls being like, oh my God, that was terrible.
I can't believe you're doing that.
Blah, blah, blah, whatever.
And then her coming back being like, yeah, I'm leaving the guy.
And all the girls were like, yeah.
And then coming back like a couple months later, beat up again by the same dude.
And I was like, okay, something that the church and my family.
And the media is telling me is not correct.
Again, I'd be at the strip club and I'd watch like six girls fighting over one fucking loser.
I was like, okay, something that I'm learning and for my family is not adding up to what I'm seeing in real life.
And so it was from those moments I was like, okay, I need to pay more attention to what women do and then not what they say.
And then from there, it was just pretty easy.
I did not codify these ideas.
I was not aware of a swath forum.
And the only real experience I had with this was that I was an approach coach for the Venusian Arts and Mystery back in 2009, 2010. Oh, wow.
Yeah, so I was doing, I was trying that whole pickup part of it, but more to get over approach anxiety.
I feel the same way MLD was.
It was like, it didn't feel very authentic.
What happened for me, the breaking point for me was in 07 when I was stationed at Warner Robins Air Force Base in Warner Robins, Georgia, and I would commute to Atlanta, and I met these club promoters that would go out, and there would be 70 girls with them.
They'd always be dating tens, maybe four or five of them at once, and I was like, something is different here than what the pickup artists are telling me and what I'm seeing in the forums.
Let me reverse engineer this and then let me, but I don't want to be a club promoter.
I don't want to do drugs.
I don't want to drink.
I don't want to do any of this.
I want to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but I like the 70 girls every time I go out.
I like that part.
I want to take that part.
And so that's what, that's essentially what I did was reverse engineer.
Hey, I actually have some, can I show you guys something here real quick?
Rolo, Rolo, first time we hung out.
Do you remember my birthday party?
Yes, I do.
I remember the meeting too.
Yeah, here we go.
Hold on.
So I don't know if I've ever shown anybody this.
This was the first time Rolo and I ever hung out right after we did the episode.
Rolo, how many girls were there?
How many girls were there?
At least, by my count, at least 20.
All of them.
They all dressed up like a cheerleader's formula.
And you see Rolo right there on the left side of the screen.
There's Rolo.
He's like filming the whole thing.
Like, you guys have to understand, from my standpoint, I'm nervous.
Like, Rolo is one of my favorite authors.
And, like, so he gets to come to my birthday party.
And, like, other people are like, oh, Rolo, I'm a huge fan.
I didn't want to do that.
I wanted to show Rolo, hey, bro, I understand what's going on.
Like, this is the world I live in.
It's 25 girls for every one guy, dude.
Like, that's the way I want it.
Let me ask you, let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question, Michael, and I wanted to pose this to the panel.
How has dating changed since you, since you ran that strip club?
When you saw that girl say, I'm going to leave this guy, he beat the crap out of me.
Then two months later, you know, she comes back, beat, beat, you know, crap beat everybody.
But say, how in your opinion has, has the dating landscape changed since?
Your discovery, I guess, of what we now call Red Pill Truth to now here in 2025. Yeah, so it's changed so much, and I wanted to actually go back and give specifics.
So go back.
So before 2004, text messaging is not prevalent in the United States, and there's no bottle service before 2004. If you read kind of the origin of bottle service in the United States, like the table bottle service, was Marquee Nightclub owned by Jason Strauss in Manhattan, probably 2003, 2004, somewhere around that area.
Once that happened, then what happened was, you started now, for those of you who are really older, like me and Aaron Clary and Rollo probably remember this, Hooters used to have beautiful women.
I know you guys think I'm out of my mind and that I'm crazy.
Put a one in the chat if you guys are old enough to remember.
When Hooters opened, it was tens.
It's not like now where it's a bunch of overweight babies, mamas, whenever you go to Hooters.
Back then, Hooters had tens because there was no OnlyFans.
Girls were not going to strip clubs.
There were no social media influencers, and there was no bottle service work.
So you would go to, and then later on Twin Peaks, the girls there were all dimes.
It was crazy.
Then when bottle service happened, there was two things that kind of, well, three, text messaging, MySpace, and bottle service started to extract some of the attention away from the guy who goes into the bar and meets the girl.
It becomes a little bit of a distraction.
So now I can mass text girls.
Now we have the promoter thing.
I had an app called HitEmUp.
I can now mass text girls as a promoter.
I can show, I can display my status on MySpace.
These are just like preliminary things.
Still, most girls are not on MySpace, like in O4. And then bottle service, now you start having girls making 150, 200 grand a year as a bottle service waitress at some of these bigger and bigger clubs.
And then later on, Dre's opens up in Las Vegas and then Access Nightclub.
And then there's also these big clubs in Miami and New York.
In Los Angeles.
So now this, this thing started cranking up.
And then once we get to Facebook and then Instagram, now it's like, now the idea of becoming an influencer and getting paid to do that is even more prevalent.
So now prettier girls are being, their attention is being sucked away from the IRL market of going out and meeting people.
This completely destroys like.
The nightclub scene in Los Angeles is absolutely garbage now because of what's happened because of this.
So what's happened is now before, let's just say like 1997, a girl would have to go to a club to show off her new dress, her haircut, her nails.
She got a new car or her boyfriend.
Now she doesn't have to do that.
And as we slowly get further and further along, Instagram starts pulling girls even out of the strip.
Like Instagram destroyed strip clubs.
Like strip clubs used to be full of tens.
Yeah, and then so now we get to probably around 2019 and then 2020. OnlyFans starts like 2018, something like that.
When OnlyFans happens during the pandemic, that is the ultimate death knell.
Because what happens is now the girls leave the strip club.
The girls that are in the bottle service, they stop working in bottle service.
And girls going out on a regular basis are getting so much validation through social media because they don't have to go out.
We just showed this clip the other day.
Every week, five new nightclubs in London are closing down because people are not going out anymore.
It was actually Owen Cook, former professional pickup artist, who was sending me these videos.
He's like, when I go out, guys, you've never...
I went to Ladue in Los Angeles in 2006, and I saw nothing but tents.
I go to any nightclub in any city in America, and there's way more dudes than girls.
And so what's happened is the virtual nature of dating, which is dating apps.
uh instagram etc has caused it where there's a few guys at the top that are able to display massive amounts of value passively with low perceived effort and a large group of men that are suffering now unless you're extremely good looking or you're rich or something like that those guys i'm not talking about those guys i'm talking about average guys and your numbers bear that out you know 26 of men under 30 are virgins two-thirds of men under 30 are single On dating apps, men match six out of every 1,000 right swipes.
Let me say that again.
The average guy on a dating app, it's six matches for every 1,000 right swipes.
For women, it's 100 matches for every 1,000 right swipes.
And so we start seeing these things over and over again.
There's 68% of men.
This is the craziest stat I've ever heard.
68% of men report being friend-zoned after matching with a girl on a dating app.
I'm surprised it's that low.
Look it up.
60, you're paying money to a dating app to get FriendZone.
Look the date up.
If you don't believe me, I'll show it to you.
So what's happened is there's a group of guys who are doing really well, and they're doing even better than they've ever done before.
And then there's a large group of guys that are going without sex for two or three years.
And social media has made it where women, now before, you had the guy who was the eight, let's just say he's the personal injury attorney in Wichita.
He marries the cute girl who works at Hooters, and that doesn't happen anymore.
The cute girl who works at Hooters, and I'm using a specific example.
There's an influencer named JoJo Vonsothy.
She lived in Wichita when I lived there as well.
She got flown out to a Maxim party.
In Los Angeles, met a guy and then was the first girl on Instagram with 10 million followers.
So a kind of a cute girl in Wichita gets 10 million followers in Los Angeles.
These women that were at the top in whatever small city are being sucked out of the market because of social media.
And so it makes it progressively more and more difficult.
Then add to the fact that now people are having fewer and fewer interactions.
Now men who are already less calibrated than women fall even further behind women as far as...
Calibration is a concern.
And now let's make it even worse.
The skill set that I would teach you to have boundaries, you know, talk with bass in your voice, go to the gym, level up as a man, is now deemed toxic by the American Psychological Association.
So now, not only is what was being taught that was helping you with women not being taught, it's now being taught by woke liberal organizations that what I'm teaching you is now harmful and toxic.
Please look it up.
Traditional masculinity deemed harmful by the American Psychological Association.
They came out with this finding in 2019. Yeah, I remember when that happened.
So all of these things are confluenced together to create this quagmire that we're in right now where there's a bunch of women who think that they can date these men who are tens because they fucked a ten, they think they can date a nine, and they can't get anyone to commit the lowest marriage rate in history.
Men and women are sexless.
Now, one of the good parts?
Teenage pregnancy.
You guys remember teenage pregnancy in the 90s?
Going down.
You guys remember that?
Gone.
No, it's gone.
It's gone.
There's no more teenage pregnancy because no one's having sex.
Well, I mean, it's not completely gone, but it's almost completely gone.
It's nowhere near where it was.
It was a huge problem.
You remember, guys, you remember teenage drunk driving?
Do you remember that was a big problem back in the 90s?
Gone.
Because nobody, this generation doesn't get driver's license.
A lot of them just use Uber.
We've gotten to a point now where there's been this huge, massive change.
They're not drinking either.
We've gotten to this huge, massive change where we're starting to...
What are we talking about, guys?
We're on Zoom right now doing a call where we're all in different places.
We weren't able to do this 10 years ago.
We didn't even have the bandwidth to pull off what we're doing right now.
All of this has become so virtual.
And what it's done is the men who can passively display high status...
Effortlessly get endless amounts of sex with beautiful women.
The men who cannot display that level of high status are suffering and they're going out to bars where there's four guys to every girl.
That's the society that we're in.
And it has to do mainly with technology.
Like I said before, starting with text messaging, bottle service, then later on social media, Instagram, then OnlyFans, Patreon, etc.
That's where we've gotten into the place that we are now.
And then like, so me and Fresh will host a panel show and we have these OnlyFans influencers who are like dying to come on our show 'cause they want more attention so they can get more simps to subscribe to their OnlyFans.
And then it's become this incredible business model for them, but they don't go out to clubs.
I talk to these girls all the time.
Like, in Vegas, hot girls don't go anywhere unless they're being paid.
That's right.
The whole situation has changed.
And so that's what's going on.
And I hear pickup artists telling me that I'm wrong and no.
And then I always ask them, okay, show me photos.
And they can't.
And then I show them photos of these massive events I throw where it's like 25 girls for every guy.
And they can't comprehend that social circle and social media being a leader with women is actually the cheat code for getting women in 2025. Okay, wow, very good answer.
So we're going to go MLD, then we're going to go Angry Man, then we're going to go Clary.
So MLD, you are uniquely qualified to talk about, you know, the dating market, obviously, in Tokyo.
You're not really up on what's going on here in the United States outside of what we tell you.
So since you entered the manosphere, the Red Pill community, in your opinion, how has the dating market changed from your perspective?
Well, I think I'll just address the elephant in the room.
They're all fatter.
There you go.
I forgot that, yeah.
Sartain was a thousand percent correct.
I mean, I used to go to Hooters back in the day to watch UFC events when Randy Couture was fighting, like, Chuck Liddell.
You know what I mean?
Yes, sir!
When, like, there was, like, one or two or three or four UFC events, like, a year, you know?
And, like, it was a big event, and, like, you dressed up.
You're like, I'm going to go talk to, you know, Rachel, the Hooters girl.
She was there last time.
And the thing is, and from my opinion, too, I think It's pretty bad because dating has become far more transactional.
And what I mean is from a financial standpoint.
There are women that are selling themselves.
I mean, really, the reality is prostitution is legal in America, and it's happening left and right.
It's just happening on Venmo.
It's happening on Cash App.
It's happening left and right.
The audacity of some of these women, too.
Some of these girls, I mean, I'm actually in the process.
This will be my last year in Japan.
I'm going to be coming back to the States, and here's why.
Japan is a dying country, and Japan's best days are behind it.
And when a guy turns 18 years old, you know which girls he wants to bang?
He wants to bang 18 to 24. And when he's 25, that doesn't change.
And when he's 35, that doesn't change.
And when he's 45, that doesn't change.
The demographic of men...
That want these girls in Japan is growing and the supply of hot young girls in Japan is literally running out.
So it's kind of gotten to the point now where girls are getting paid just to show up on dates here in Tokyo.
Like Sartain said.
Yeah, just to show up on dates.
Now, factor in the whole prevalence of the feminist movement being perpetuated at an exponential rate through these social media companies.
We have the largest amount of insufferable chicks at all-time highs, especially in America, because all of this stuff, and if you look at what's going on with the USAID, I'm not going to get too political here, but it's literally feminism and anti-male rhetoric has now been Documented to be funded by the United States government.
So you didn't have this back in the day.
Girls weren't always insufferable.
And another thing is this.
We're a couple generations down from the grassroots feminist movement.
And what's happening now is you're having women.
Divorce at an all-time high, and when a woman divorces a man, she's not sitting around saying, oh, your father was a great guy, and I just left him because I'm a psychopath.
No, it's your father was a terrible guy.
All men are terrible.
This is a bad, he's a bad guy.
He's, you know, you know, it's funny recently, too, when I was younger, and now I'm 39, but when I was younger, guys were normal.
But every time I talk to a girl right now, anywhere around the planet, I don't know what's going on, but every guy she dated is a narcissistic abuser.
Every one of them.
Every ex-boyfriend is a narcissistic abuser.
So either we have a gigantic narcissistic abuser problem with men, which is not the case whatsoever, but I just think that the indoctrination has really gotten out of control.
And when I come back to America, you guys got to understand, I see it from the outside.
I don't live – I've not lived consistently in America.
I've not lived in America since 2016, right?
The thing is, with the whole, you know, the single mother thing is really what I really think is really breaking America, because A, they're raising weak guys who either hate themselves because their mother is psyoping them on a daily basis, saying your dad is bad, men are bad.
And then you're raising young girls to hate their fathers.
So these girls don't even know how to act.
And then when they're born, too, and I like how Clary touches on this on his show, because when the women are born from kindergarten, it's like, you're the best.
You can be an astronaut and the CEO, and you can have babies.
You can freeze your eggs.
Women are told you can do whatever you want.
There's no holds bars, and men are just...
With every obstacle in the way.
You're bad.
You're toxic.
You're a bad little boy.
Masculinity is bad.
So in addition to that, it's everywhere now.
Like, it's in the movies.
It's in the dramas.
It's in commercials.
It's encroached its way into video game cultures.
I'm a huge gamer.
Wow.
Everything in video games is fake.
The Last of Us 2. The Last of Us.
Dude, I literally just talked about that on my show the other day.
Oh, the show The Last of Us?
Last of Us 1, phenomenal masculine character.
Ellie's a good little girl, loves dad, really shows a strong masculine character.
Part 2, everybody's gay, trans.
Oh, no.
Why are you virtue signaling to video game players?
Because the thing is about...
And it's also infiltrated comics and everything, right?
When men get rejected by women, you know what they did?
They went and they went to the Star Wars galaxy.
They went to the Marvel Universe.
They went to the DC Universe.
But even now, that stuff's being infiltrated.
The good news is there has been a gigantic pushback.
I don't see us heading into this dark future that everybody likes to paint out where we're all in this censorship, dystopian future.
Everything's terrible.
I do think that A lot of guys, like when Sartain was saying, guys are in the friend zone.
Guys, remember, guys don't put themselves in the friend zone.
Guys stay in the friend zone.
Woo!
Yes, sir!
That is a choice to stay there.
So I think, you know, like when they choose to be friends with the girls, I'm like, it's just, why would you get on a dating app and accept something you don't want?
You know, if you went to Chick-fil-A and you ordered something and you got a fish sandwich, would you take it?
You'd be like, no, I'm at Chick-fil-A. Of course not.
Right?
So why are you giving me fish sandwich?
But a lot of these guys have no self-respect because they're raised in a household, a single mother, and you have a culture that's consistently beating them down when literally, like, some of us here are on a government's watch list.
Like, people who are here are like, you know, this is the tax masculinity report.
Even Clary's on that watch list.
I'm not on that watch list, but I just think, you know...
It's an open...
It's open hatred.
You were before you are now.
It's open hatred, and it's acceptable in the states.
So it's just like the anti-male rhetoric has...
But I do believe we peaked.
I would say we peaked around the anti-male hate stuff peaked around 2018, 2019. I do see...
Yeah, when Biden was elected.
Yeah, because the reality is...
Women are literally getting back in the kitchen and putting it on TikTok and getting millions and millions and millions of followers.
Peak feminism I think was like 2018, 2019. I think we are kind of seeing the pendulum swing backwards.
I like to paint a dystopian future for everybody.
I just don't think that's reality.
I really place a lot of the responsibility on men because at the end of the day, it's the men who accept these terms.
If men weren't shilling out money and simping and giving validation and signing up for OF and all that stuff, we wouldn't have this problem.
So the reality is it's on the men.
We can sit here and cry about women all we want, but the reality is it's 1,000% on the men.
Okay, I apologize for my niece that's screaming in the background.
I'm going to go to Angry Man, then I'm going to go to Clary, then Rollo.
Angry Man, in your opinion, how has the dating market, the dating dynamics changed since you got into this community, since you started your YouTube channel?
Well, I myself, I'm no longer in the dating game.
But one of the things that I noticed is that We have this crisis of masculinity right now.
And what I keep noticing, which is really frightening, because when I first came into the space, when I first started dropping content and everybody else was dropping content, it was like a revolution.
It was like, finally, the men are waking up to the bullshit, right?
But now what I'm noticing...
As soon as the guys started dropping the content, dropping the knowledge, all of a sudden there was this pushback from this sort of gynecratic force.
All of a sudden you see women flooding the space.
All of a sudden you see women putting out content.
And it's really pervasive type content.
It's really content that I kept noticing that the guys are falling for.
Now I can't tell if the guys are falling for it because the chick is sitting there on the panel with...
You know, her boobs pushed together, you know, popping up out of her top or whatever.
But they just seem to be falling for it.
You know, like, they're falling for it.
And I start to hear guys use language like emotional intelligence and...
Oh, my God.
You know, and...
It's giving.
Yeah, it's giving and all of these.
And I'm like, what...
Like, I grew up watching Al Bundy and cheering for Al Bundy.
Real shit!
You understand what I'm saying?
So, to see how the guys are starting to, like, buy into this sort of pseudo-masculine male 2.0.
It's like they're trying to convince us that everything that a man has always been, there's something wrong with it.
And the idea that men, you know, men are toxic.
Well, at some points, men have to be toxic.
If they weren't, we wouldn't be here.
The human race wouldn't even be here.
You know what I'm saying?
So, watching as this happens, I just see guys, like, getting softer and softer.
Like, there's a small percentage of guys that's pushing back and fighting hard.
But I see a lot of guys falling for it.
And it's...
It's really disheartening.
It's really annoying.
What I try to do on my show is I try to focus on masculinity.
I try to school the guys on, look, man, we're men.
We're not supposed to be a watered-down version of what women think we're supposed to be.
Half the time, women don't even know what they're supposed to be.
So how are they going to tell men what they're supposed to be?
You know, as far as I can tell, that's what I've been seeing in the space, especially since there have been more women coming to the space, in addition to, oh my God, in addition to the guys that know that certain people don't like red pill content.
So what they do is they try to capitalize on that audience, making anti-rhetoric, you know what I'm saying?
It's a business decision.
All the time, bro.
Derrick Jackson type.
Shout out to Will Hitchens.
Shout out to Chris GQ Perry.
Shout out to Justin Baldoni.
Yeah, the guys that typically don't believe in what they're saying.
Oh my gosh, sorry.
But they're selling the women a lie.
You know what I'm saying?
They're selling the women a lie.
You know, you got the ace metaphors and I'm not going to name any names.
Let me stop naming names.
Chris Perry, the foot guy.
Oh my God, that is hilarious.
Oh my God, Jesus.
Yeah, you have that entire thing with those guys trying to capitalize on the situation.
But I will say this, not to get political like my man just said.
And by the way, you kind of triggered my PTSD when you started talking about Marvel and oh my God.
Don't get me going, though.
Don't get me going.
I got more to say.
Yeah, so, I mean, the only thing I'll say, not to get too political, make no mistake about it, when the election happened this past year, it was definitely masculinity versus the gynocracy.
Absolutely, 100%.
It was definitely, so for us to get that victory, I feel like, you know, maybe there's some hope we can push this back to the natural order of things, so, you know, that's how I feel about it.
Let's switch gears here because we're still good on time, but if we continue like this, we're going to end up running short on time.
This is the main question.
So we all know how we got here.
We understand, you know, what the Manosphere is now.
Over the past, I would say, five to six, maybe seven years, the Manosphere has really, really, the reputation of the Manosphere has really been sullied.
And it's funny because I mentioned this years and years ago.
Our biggest attractors these days are not just women.
It's other people who consume this stuff.
And I never have the chat up because it's just so much vitriol and hate.
People come to see the spectacle.
And I'm going to start with Rolo here because, Rolo, I think that you were probably one of the first people that I knew who was directly a friendly fire, I guess as we should say.
What do you think is the biggest factor in terms of the Manosphere's reputation being dragged through the mud?
Because obviously we're here to help men.
But again, it just seems that most men, at least in the chat and in the comments section, are here really just to kind of troll us when it's them that we're trying to help.
So what do you think was the biggest factor in sort of turning that tide?
I think a couple of things have happened and maybe this even answers your first the first question too at the same time is first off I think that a lot of the guys that are part of the quote-unquote Manosphere right now were don't know Any of the history of it.
If you look this up, it's actually a term.
It's a sociological term.
It's called temporal provincials.
They're people who don't care about the past.
They don't care about the future.
They just care about what the fuck's going on right now.
And they could give two flying fucks about who came before them, who's going to come after them.
It's all about whatever's happening in the now.
And so for this sort of new crop or this new generation of guys who've come into the quote-unquote red pill, they don't know who came before them.
Hey, no, I came up sometime in 2019, right?
And it's like, I've been doing this really since I can show you, I can show you the first time I used the term red pill on the social forums.
It was like December of 2004, right?
These guys weren't even alive back then.
And if they were, they were watching Fairly Odd Parents and Jimmy Neutron at that time.
That's basically what these fuckers were doing, right?
And it's like, we've been having these conversations.
For 20 fucking years.
And so when people come up and they're like, oh, man, well, Roller doesn't know about this.
He doesn't know about that.
I'm like, no, dude, we have had that conversation.
And they think they gotcha.
Like, everything's a gotcha moment.
Everything is YouTube blood sports right now.
Everybody thinks they're having a debate.
They're not really having a debate.
All they're doing is saying, you're a liar.
That's all it is.
It's not about finding truth.
Finding what's right.
It's not about finding what is correct and what is incorrect.
It is about you're a liar or people shouldn't follow you or let's see how I can damage your personal brand.
That's all it is right now.
And so people seem to think that the red pill started, I don't know, with Andrew Tate and Pearl.
That's when they think it happened.
And so that's when everybody just goes back, and that's their depth of the history.
And it started like two years ago.
So if you go and you look, I can remember seeing, geez, it wasn't even that long ago, where it was, I think it was Destiny, who was on Chris Williamson's show.
And he was saying, is the Red Pill dead?
Is it over?
Oh yeah, it's time, it's gone, it passed.
And I'm thinking, motherfucker, it has been around for 25 fucking years, man.
I've been doing this for 25 fucking years.
You have no earthly idea what you're talking about.
Fresh, do you remember this?
I know Aaron does because it was in March of 2021 when I was on you guys' show and you said, do you think the red pill is going mainstream?
This is 2021, right?
What was my answer?
I hope not.
I hope not.
I knew it was, but I hope not.
And the reason why I said that is because the people who are going to come into the space, there's going to be people who are bad actors who come into the space, who are going to be taken as authorities in this space and know nothing about the history and know nothing about the background.
They know nothing about Red Pill.
They just see it as a grift.
They just see it as an opportunity to build a personal brand on it.
And as soon as it doesn't pay anymore, they're going to move on to the next thing.
They're gonna move to social issues or politics or religion.
Rolo, you wanna call the anti-Red Bill?
Right now, right?
Rolo, you wanna call names?
That's what you're fresh, you gonna say something?
You wanna call names, bro?
What's that?
You wanna call some names?
He wants you to name names, bro.
Yeah, well, I mean, I've been naming names, but the thing is, is that, I mean, I couldn't name names then because I didn't know who they were gonna be in March of 2021, right?
So I'm just saying, look, I hope not because I was just coming out while we were coming out of an election cycle.
Right?
And that's exactly where we're at right now.
2021 was the first year after the 2020 election cycle.
Now we're in 2025. We're coming out of this election cycle.
And I agree with Angry Man.
I'm like cautiously optimistic about this.
I'm hoping things are going to change for the better.
But I also have to remember that things kind of come around in cycles here as well.
Yeah, and I think that one of the reasons why we have such a dilution of the message right now is because people have lost their way.
They just simply don't know what they're...
They pivoted to something, and they don't know what to do with themselves at this point.
And that's why I keep saying it's like, I'm...
I'm Rola Tomasi.
There's no way for me to pivot.
I can't fucking pivot out of the red pill.
I am the fucking red pill.
If I try to do something like, you know, social issues or religion or I try to do a fishing channel, people are never going to take me fucking serious.
Because this is just what I've been doing for the last 25, you know, 20, 25 years right now.
And, I mean, even Aaron has been with me for, like, at least since 2012. 2,800 years ago.
I know, like, there you go.
We're like Gandalf and Elrond, you know.
We remember what it was like 3,000 years ago.
Waldorf and Statler.
Yeah, exactly.
Aaron's Social Security number is one.
But I think it's the biggest problem.
The biggest problem right now is people just – and they don't care.
And I'll tell you, the other thing that's going to happen, if you want a prediction in all of this, I think it's only going to get worse.
People are just going to move on to something else, and they're going to call it the red pill.
As I said even back then, I said people turn the red pill into their own sort of personal brand or their own – to be whatever their personal pet ideology happens to be at that time.
And for me, it's always been about intersexual dynamics.
It's always been about game.
It's always been about money, muscles, and game.
It's always been about – I'm hoping we can get back to a better message.
I'm hoping we can find the plot again.
Okay, Clary, so you've been, obviously, you've known Rolo for years and years and years, approximately 2008 years ago.
What do you think is the biggest issue?
My Social Security card is two.
Social Security number one and Social Security number is two.
So, Aaron, what do you think is the biggest factor in terms of the Manosphere's sullied reputation?
Because I'll admit...
A lot of, you know, some of it is self-inflicted.
Like, we are human beings.
We make mistakes.
We make missteps.
We do this.
We do that.
But in general, what do you think is the biggest factor that has really, really sullied the reputation of the Manosphere of the Red Pillars?
I don't know if I agree with the premise.
Has the Manosphere been sullied?
I mean, they were always all the death and starting right off early on.
How dare you say it about women?
You're always misogynists and this and that.
And then new people coming in and different schisms between different philosophies and all that.
And I'll be honest, I've just kind of floated above it because I didn't care.
That's very true.
Yeah, have people said some stupid things?
Like, do you guys remember just recently the guy who did AlphaCon?
In Utah, do you remember that?
He's going to jail.
$20,000 or $20 million.
$20 million, some multiple millions.
So yeah, you'll have people like that, or maybe you have people that say stupid things, or someone gets drunk.
The infighting, honestly, I'd say the biggest thing right now, and Rolo touched on it, is you got these posers who just got their pubes last week, and they're viewing the red pill.
As a money-making machine.
You're actual real grifters.
They've never had a real job.
They are Zoomer millennial, younger millennial type Zoomers, maybe even Alpha at this age, where I want to be an influencer.
And there's no authenticity.
There's no intellectual honesty.
And it's just clickbait and rage.
And we talk about this a fair amount of experience.
Yeah, no experience.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And so what I found is probably the worst thing now about, quote, the Manosphere is you have these, they're just actors.
They have no real experience.
Like I said, they haven't asked girls out of it.
They have very little dating experience.
They're just reading from the book, and it's taken on an effect of kayfabe theater.
John Fitch talks about this a lot where it's all about the money.
I don't know if Destiny really is a red pill, but there's the perfect example of a clown.
He is a clown.
He is dressing up like a clown.
He's doing clownish things.
Does he actually care about socialism and economic efficiency and dating and love?
No.
It's a money-making operation for him.
Whereas if you go back in the old days, back when Rollo and I were young and the cars first came out.
It was an original, authentic, hey, our experiences and what we're witnessing in the real world is not quarreling with what we're being told by our elders.
And thus started what I would call the largest meta-study.
In the history of the world, and that is men comparing notes in the blogging days, ancient as it may have been.
And every one of us came, you know, Mike is a cat or was a captain in the military.
He also was in finance, Rolo Marketing.
He actually played in a band.
Donovan, you sold mattresses.
I'll never forget the story about you just hustling and selling mattresses.
I was in banking and finance and modern life, John, he's a real nice guy.
But everyone had a job.
They supported themselves as men beforehand, and we came here out of an intellectual curiosity.
We're not here just because, yeah, bro, I want to do it.
I'd say that's probably if there is something.
That stands out.
I say that would be it.
But I even think, especially younger people, are aware of the fake nature of what they're seeing on the Internet.
Whether it's, you know, TikTok girls like, OMG, the guy didn't pay for my date and I was such a bitch to him.
I don't get it.
I think people are starting to realize the inauthenticity of what we're seeing on the Internet.
But that, I think, will digest.
And I just got to say this because you're like, I'm optimistic for the future.
I don't know.
No, give up hope.
Just give up.
It's not turning around.
There it is.
Be a 10 or go home, okay?
Save your crypto.
Okay?
Buy land.
And no, women are not turning around.
They're not waking up.
I have data that Sertain will say, you know, you look at girls, how many of them are still going to college?
Like, okay, they're down like 2%.
The majority of them are still going to college.
The majority of them, 85% of the time, are still majoring in dumb shit.
They're still choosing careers and ideology and all that over you.
No, I mean, yeah, there's some silver linings, but I would give up your optimism and play legacy video games there.
Hey, guys.
Before I go to fresh, guys, listen, we have nearly, oh, we've got Myron in the house.
We've got nearly 4,500 people watching across all platforms, just under 2,500 on YouTube, almost 2,000 on Rumble.
Guys, hit that like button.
It is the most important metric that YouTube uses to push things up in the algorithm.
So, listen, we have been joined by the great and powerful Myron Gaines.
What's going on, brother?
Hey, what's up, man?
I literally just got off the plane and came over here as fast as I can because obviously this is a very important conversation.
I've been listening to the conversation the whole time and you know that kind of brings me and I love that I came in at this point and this kind of brings to why I wanted to bring all you guys together.
We're a very pivotal time, right?
We saw the explosion of red pill awareness in the early 2020s through the pandemic with the meteoric rise of Us, Andrew Tate, Sneeko, Pearl, etc.
Where I know some of you guys are like, hey, some of these people are grifters, etc.
Which I could definitely see that argument.
But I do think when it comes to awareness of this situation, it's had a residual effect by benefiting and getting exposure to other guys.
Because as you guys know, we work very tightly with a lot of you guys.
We make sure to platform you guys.
Because I truly do believe if you become successful, you've got to bring up the people that came alongside you.
Which is why I'm so big on like, you know.
Making sure that we bring you guys on too because there would be no fresher fit if it weren't for a lot of the members on this panel.
But the other reason too while I was like yo we need to unite is because of this topic that you guys are on right now.
We have an influx of piece of shit loser commentary YouTube channels that do nothing when it comes to actually helping men with the solutions and becoming better and being able to take control of their life.
Instead they give Bullshit commentary with bad editing and jump cuts, right?
Saying, oh, these guys are toxically masculine alphas, blah, blah, blah.
There's an entire industry designed to attack masculinity by other men.
They're there to make jokes, insult, say that this stuff is all a scam, etc.
And here's the thing.
If you tell someone, hey, you need to go to the gym every day, you need to go to, you know, make money, become successful, you need to learn game, you need to understand that women and men are completely different and you've got to do all this work, most guys don't want to hear that.
You know what they'd rather hear?
They'd rather hear a loser like Abba and Preach, Anus and Reach, tell them, yeah, these guys are losers.
Like, they're over here telling you guys extreme stuff on how to get girls.
You don't need to do all that.
Just like, you know, be yourself.
And the reality is...
The masses are gonna go towards that.
Why?
Because human beings are lazy creatures by default, right?
They go but the path of least resistance.
So what they quickly realized was, if I can go after these guys and call them fake gurus or call them scammers or whatever it may be, right, and tell them they don't really need to sell proof like that, I'll get a hell bunch of views, and I'm able to clown these guys, and they're gonna come watch me.
But here's the difference.
You don't get better.
You don't make more money.
You don't get in better shape at all by watching these losers.
You think anyone is sitting here watching Moist Critical trying to get advice?
Is anyone watching Anus and Reach on how to improve their life?
No.
Are they teaching you how to fucking buy real estate?
No.
Are they teaching you how to lose weight?
No.
Are they teaching you how to understand the economy and make a bunch of money or invest in precious metals like Aaron Clary or whatever?
No.
They're fucking not.
Right?
They're not keeping guns out of people's mouths.
And the thing that also annoys me besides these...
Piece of shit bottom feeder reaction YouTubers.
A lot of people might not know this.
The Department of Homeland Security wrote a paper, right, saying that, hey, manosphere content is toxic, it's problematic, etc.
And they sent this over to YouTube and these other platforms.
And I noticed a stark contrast where...
A lot of these channels were getting pushed in the algorithm, you know, significantly.
And as soon as this paper came out, a couple months after that, there was a whole bunch of guys losing, you know, views, getting pushed in the algorithm, etc.
So there's been a concerted fucking effort, okay, to keep men in the dark about female nature, to keep men in the dark about self-improvement, to keep men in the dark about just becoming better in general.
Right?
Absolutely.
Because people would rather watch idiots like Moist Critical, Anus and Reach, and these guys that make you feel good for seven minutes as they do their stupid editor clip, versus guys that will sit here and go line by fucking line on how to become a better man.
Now, the other thing too that I think is very important is that by me going into the political world and me getting into different spaces and dealing with different creators from different genres...
What I've realized is this red pill awareness is more needed than ever before.
Because as much as guys are fucking successful in different realms, whether it's politics or culture or some other shit, a lot of them don't understand women.
Right?
And let's just be honest here.
If you don't figure out women, you're never going to be fucking successful.
Because your inability to control your woman or your inability to attract women, it's always going to be eating at you and distracting you from what you should be doing.
John always famously said this, and I agree with him 100%.
If you can't handle this and figure out how to deal with women properly, it's going to fuck you up long term.
Either it's going to fuck you up in the beginning where you don't know how to deal with them and you lose all your money, like Eric Clary said, where guys spend a ridiculous amount of money early on.
Or it's going to fuck you up later on in life where you make the money, you become successful, you get the title, but you don't know how to deal with them, and then you lose everything that way, which we see with a lot of celebrities and athletes.
So this type of content is extremely needed because no one gives a fuck about men, man.
I'm here to tell you, even the men don't give a fuck about men.
They don't.
So the reason why I brought all you guys together, and I want to actually start doing this at least monthly, is because we need to galvanize under one.
And let people know that the Red Pill ain't going fucking nowhere.
Because there's always going to be a need for this shit.
And these reaction commentary channels make these stupid claims.
The Red Pill is dead!
Fuck!
You!
You guys aren't doing shit to actually disprove anything that we're saying.
You guys aren't doing shit to actually help men.
You guys are just sitting there trying to get your AdSense revenue, get some fucking bullshit thumbnails and clicks.
And we gotta fight back against this shit by working together, getting an algorithm, and actually helping guys.
Because the one tangible thing that we have that none of these motherfuckers have is we got fucking receipts.
I have...
Hundreds, if not thousands, of fucking messages of guys from all across the world saying they were going to kill themselves.
They had a date picked out.
They had a tree picked out.
They're going to do it at a certain time so they can look at one more beautiful thing before they died.
And guess what?
They didn't fucking do it because they ran into our podcast.
Can any of our haters say that?
They fucking can't.
They fucking can't.
So we need to go ahead and blow that up and all of us galvanize everyone like the fucking Power Ranger type shit when they put all the monsters together, the machines together.
But I'm serious.
This is what it's going to take to get over the shadow bans, to get over all the bullshit.
And we want to platform all you guys because this information is literally life-saving.
And it's not getting out to enough guys.
It's not getting out to enough guys.
Yeah, to Myron's point...
This is a business model that they're using against us.
It's because they know if you take their content, react to it, put it in a negative light, you'll get paid.
Actually, look at that DHS document.
It's all geared towards changing the narrative towards what they want.
Now, they know this is business.
So if I take their market share and demean them nonstop, guess what happens?
The audience comes to me.
However, here's the issue.
They're talking to men to make them laugh.
Me to say for like seven minutes, like Myron said.
The problem is that like...
That entertainment doesn't help any men become better.
So they just sit there, become lazy, and nothing happens for their growth.
Now, CJ made a video about the red pill itself and why he's dying and why certain things are happening in real time with creators.
And he's actually 100% correct.
He said, listen, we ourselves are fighting amongst each other.
For what?
For content and for some views?
Why are we doing this shit?
And this is why it's important because nowadays we come together and we act together as a unit.
We can fight this back in real time.
But then again, this is a business model for them to profit off of us and just laugh at us at the same time.
So that's what it is, man.
I'm going to go to MLD here next because, John, you and I had a conversation maybe two or three weeks ago and you said, do you remember when the Manosphere, the Red Pill, was sort of at the peak and at all-time high?
Do you remember that?
It was when we were all working together.
It was the Red Man Group.
It was waits and dates with me and Myron.
It was the collaborations I was doing with everybody.
That's when things...
Those were the golden years is when we all collaborated.
Now here in 2025, just like Arola talked about, there's a lot of infighting, people turning on Red Pill content creators because it's a business decision.
So I guess now the overarching question is, and I think Myron really sort of gave us a good foundation.
Working together, I think...
Is definitely the next step.
But in your opinion, in the world of MLD, how do we quote-unquote fix the manosphere?
How can we fight back, I guess, against the tyranny of feminism?
How can we get back to what we once were?
I mean, I went to Hawaii.
For the New Year's to rethink of everything and think about the next chapter of my life.
When I was watching one of the modern philosophers of our time, right?
That's Rick from Rick and Morty.
And Rick said something on Rick and Morty that really, really changed my perspective.
When you talk about saving the reputation of the Manosphere, when you talk about that, Rick said to a group of people...
Your boos mean nothing to me.
I've seen what you cheer for.
It has always been a massive group of losers and a small percentage of winners.
It has never been...
I think we're looking at the past of these rose-colored, rose-tinted glasses, right?
We're romanticizing the past when the reality is guys were simps back in the day, too.
I just think social media just shows more of...
The reality of human nature.
Women have always been selling pussy, right?
They've just like, I'll send you a telegram and four chickens come over, you know?
It wasn't like Venmo and Cash App.
So I really don't care what people think because if I have society cheering me on, I'm going to look at myself and be like, what am I doing wrong?
Like, why is this happening, right?
And the reality is this, too.
We're not losing, okay?
Robert Greene said something, and it's really important, and they think we should all wear this with a badge of honor.
He says being attacked means you're important enough to be a target.
Goddamn right.
Okay?
And here's the thing.
I'm recently looking at this whole USAID situation with the United States government.
Oh, yeah.
Literally, everything is fake and gay, and it's been funded by the United States government, okay?
Anti-male rhetoric, funded by the United States government.
The feminist movement, funded by the United States government.
Gamergate, funded by the United States government.
Yolo started this off in a fucking room in his house just writing on his laptop and then buying a mic and a camera and helping revolutionize modern America with us doing Rule Zero and whatnot moving forward.
From that point onwards.
So I'm really not too worried about anything because winners hate losers and losers hate winners.
We're never going to change everybody.
I love losers because you know the number one thing that gives a winner value?
It's a fucking loser.
So it's hard to be like us.
That's why everybody's not a millionaire.
It's hard to be jacked and shredded.
That's why everybody's fat.
It's hard to be getting a girl because...
You know, the majority of these guys choose the easier route.
Looking at this commentary channels that Myron was mentioning, looking at pornography, losing themselves in cheap dopamine.
It is what it is, right?
I choose to be optimistic for the future because it's my future, and that's the message I want to – I don't want to paint a dystopian future for the guy at home because these people look up to us.
And if I was – you guys have to remember, I came from abject poverty.
Nobody on this planet was more poor than me, and I have generated $10 million for myself and my brand.
It's a one-day army.
Okay?
So if I were to be pessimistic and negative, I feel like I would just break the spirits of the people who watch us.
But it's no longer about me anymore.
Now it's about we.
And I've been saying this for a long time, and Donovan, I'm glad you brought this to attention because we need to work together.
Because you know what?
The problem with men is the male ego is undefeated, and that's why they have all this infighting and all this nonsense.
But I am happy to say that we are being targeted because we are making an impact.
And guess what?
Once you red pill somebody, there's no going back.
They do not un-red pill.
So I will keep fighting.
This is what gives my life meaning.
I like to fight.
I like to wake up.
I'm known for one thing and one thing only.
The Masculine Empowerment Network and working literally every single day.
Since I started live streaming, literally every single day, I have helped and coach some guy with this problem.
You know, so, like, people say, like, oh, you know, so-and-so's entering the space.
This person's entries, they're taking away from us here.
They're taking away from us here.
We need as many soldiers and feet on the ground as possible.
We are massively outnumbered, and we're still making a gigantic impact.
We're all, I would say collectively, all of us are shadow banned.
I think a lot of people on this channel are demonetized, right?
They have been smearing us.
They have been trying to do smear campaigns against us.
But the winners of history, they were never on the side of the masses.
It was always the small fighting against the many.
And it always will be the few and the many.
So my message to the men at home is, what are you going to do with your life?
Are you going to sit there?
Are you going to roll over?
Are you going to just quietly die into the night?
Or will you stand up and will your legacy be you are a man who fought?
I know what I want.
I know what I've decided to do.
Like Rollo was saying, there's going to be no pivot.
There's not going to be MLD Gaming or MLD... Right.
This is it.
It's not going to be something like that.
MLD Crypto.
MLB Crochet, where I'm going.
So I'm going to go to Sartain, then I'm going to go Angry Man, and then Rolo, and then I know we're running short on time because you guys have got girls showing up, and then we'll get everybody's final thoughts.
So Sartain, again, you've been red-pilled for longer than you've been online.
In your opinion, what can we, as a group, as a collective, what can we do to sort of reclaim, not the glory of Rome, so to speak, but how can we get back to those golden years of 14 and 15 where it was blogging and YouTube videos?
How can we get back to that?
Well, personally, I think the algorithm is fucking astrology at this point.
Each one of us specifically doing the best we can, like what Myron says, the receipts.
I have 3,300 clients that I can look back to that I've helped.
Chris GQ Perry could probably not find one single person.
Will Hitchens, nobody's saying, Will Hitchens changed my life and made me better with women.
Not a single person is going to look back at Justin Baldani's Man Enough podcast and say, oh my God, I did this and it just got me so much vagina.
No one, zero.
So it's 3,000 to zero and I'm just one creator.
And so the thing is, I think the best thing we can do is just say, we're Brotherhood, and here's how the Brotherhood works.
Here's how it works.
As long as you're interested in male self-improvement.
Then you're part of our brotherhood.
That's it.
When you start criticizing, like again, there's things that, like Lucario and some of the Mode 1 guys, I don't agree with stuff they say, but you're not going to see me make personal attacks against them.
Lucario's my friend.
I'm not going to do that just because I might disagree with some of those ideas.
What these other guys need to do is they need to make it personal and then try to make fun of you.
So let's go over a couple things that Myron said, because I'm very much about evidence.
I'm very much about show me.
If you guys want to take a second, look at the video that Rollo and I did specifically over the Department of Homeland Security, spending $61 million to try to divert people from...
What they thought to be toxic masculine or masculine or terroristic organizations.
I forgot exactly what the term was.
But 700,000 specifically was given to a program called Divert Hate.
In the diverting hate thing, and this is in their literature, they were taking, they were running ads and trying to tell YouTube to divert traffic from our content to content like the Man Enough podcast.
Again, this is not conjecture.
I'm not some like crazy This is not Alex Jones saying crazy shit.
This is an absolute indefatigable fact, and we show you the documents in the video that we gave.
Your government was telling you that traditional masculinity was harmful.
That is not my opinion.
Your government was taking our content, and it was pushing it towards Justin Baldoni, the male feminist who ended up sexually harassing some girl.
Allegedly.
Whatever.
It doesn't matter.
The point is...
When you see this content, this is not some conspiracy we're coming up with.
This is a fact.
We talk about it in general.
Hey, YouTube doesn't like us.
We're demonetized.
I was demonetized for no reason.
I'll tell you, and I just got re-monetized.
Let me tell you something right now.
Here's the biggest difference.
And I've even talked to content creators who are politically liberal.
When Donald Trump came out and said, from this point forward, social media apps, we're going to propose legislation where they have to tell you when you're suspended.
And why you're suspended and allow you an appeal.
They cannot take your account away without due process.
If that is true, and I'm going to take him at his word, that is the greatest thing in the world for us.
Because like I said before, the truth cannot be misogynistic.
The truth cannot be bigoted.
The truth cannot be racist.
The truth is only the truth.
If I show data that shows that women have lower marital satisfaction, the more sexual partners they have, or if I show that data that doesn't make me a misogynist because it's true and you demonetizing me, all you're doing is demonetizing me because I'm not fitting your narrative.
If what's coming in the future is we're changing that, then that's what's terrific.
But then you look at like content creators, like again, Chris GQ Perry, Will Hitchens, Justin Baldoni, the fact that these people have these massive followings when the advice they're giving is...
It's anti-truth.
It's scandalous.
The advice that these men give to, like, be nice.
Like, you just met a girl.
Tell her how incredibly attractive she is when you first meet her.
That is fucking terrible, terrible advice.
And I can show you male model dating coaches on social media telling men, buy women flowers on the first date.
Make sure.
It is your duty as a man to pay for her stuff on the date.
I'm like, I'll pay for her stuff.
If I had a good date.
But it's not my fucking duty as a man.
My duty is to be a man.
That's what my duty is.
My duty is to protect the woman who is actually worth being a part of my life.
The woman who is worth being the mother of my children.
She earned that.
And so instead of what we're doing, we're teaching men the big tech.
The media, in all these different places, they're teaching you be more vulnerable.
The reason why women say be yourself is so they can pick out the fucking losers quicker.
Don't listen to this shit.
It's terrible, terrible advice.
Again, I have 3,000 receipts.
They have zero.
That's it.
So the thing is, for us, what can we do to get back to the golden days?
Not worried about the golden days.
As long as we improve every day, and as long as...
Those of us on this panel, make it a priority to help the men that we can.
Because I'll be honest with you, I'm with Aaron Clary, dude.
It's the Titanic running into an iceberg.
What we are, though, is the captain of the lifeboats.
Each one of us is the captain of the lifeboat.
The Red Rational Mel is a lifeboat.
Men of Action is a lifeboat.
Fresh and Fit is a lifeboat.
We are the captains of these lifeboats.
That's the best thing we can do.
Now, here's the other thing.
It's never been easier if you just become aware of what the world's doing to you when it comes to inflation, dating, intersexual dynamics, whatever.
If you just become marginally aware and just show the fuck up every day.
Don't eat trash.
Just avoid obesity, scarcity, poverty, and ignorance.
If you can just avoid those things, it's never been easier to get in the top 1%.
Never.
I'm 47 years old.
I've never had this many women throw themselves at me.
Never.
And the reason why is because I choose to not listen to bullshit that I see when I watch the movie Hitch, where I'm supposed to obsess over one woman or whatever.
You know what I do watch?
I watch Californication, which got canceled because that show was badass.
That's what...
That's what I watch.
And the reality of the situation is, the good information gets demonetized.
The good information, they call names.
Hopefully, because of this new administration, we're going to see a change.
I've seen a change so far.
Hopefully, that will be enough.
But for the rest of you, I'm not worried about a movement for all of men.
I'm worried about a movement.
For the men that we're talking to right now.
Because you're the only one.
You're just the Navy SEALs.
I'm just here for you 300 Spartans.
You're the only motherfuckers I care about.
The rest of them, they can go off and keep believing this bullshit.
Whatever they want.
Happy wife, happy life.
Whatever nonsense that they need to believe in order to be happy, they can continue to believe that.
I don't hate them, but I know what the truth is.
I have seen the truth, and I have too many testimonials for me to start believing anything else.
I know what the truth is.
I believe in red pill as it is a derivative of evolutionary psychology.
And in doing so, I have found nothing but good advice for men that has helped men, and I have the receipts to prove it.
Wow, well said.
I want to ask a question to Sartain.
This is something I've thought about in the future, right?
So we are – I mean I'm pretty sure you've got your eyes on AI.
And so eventually we are going to get to a point where there is an AI that will irrefutably tell the truth.
Yes.
I think that will be the irrefutable breaking point where people are like, listen, asshole, you're wrong.
Yes.
There is irrefutable truth.
Do you think that's going to happen?
Because like I said, also, we're heading into a post-scarcity because AI is going to get to the point where everybody's going to be supplied with everything.
We're going to have everything we need.
We can't suppress the truth from AI for too much longer.
My issue is not getting people who don't know the truth to know the truth because they don't want to hear it.
You can tell, again, I've debated flat earthers.
I'm aware.
People, like, you can show them all the evidence they want.
There's some women, when you explain to them, hey, you explain certain concepts to women, they don't want to hear it even when you show them data.
So people who don't understand the truth, AI, nothing is going to convince them of their beliefs, no matter what their beliefs are.
My whole thing is, I should not fucking be demonetized for telling the truth.
I should not be ratioed for telling the truth.
Ever.
For any reason.
And if I am, if YouTube wanted to come out and say, hey, just to let you know, we're all a bunch of woke liberals.
We don't like the content that you're producing.
And so because of that, we're going to ratio you.
I would at least have some fucking respect for them.
For at least being honest about what they're doing.
TikTok is the worst.
Guys, I'm telling you right now, I have so many female friends.
They have these scandalous TikTok accounts.
Every single one of them.
Every.
Attractive woman you know has lost their TikTok.
I guarantee you.
Find one homosexual content creator on TikTok that's lost their account.
Find one.
Find one.
One that has lost their account.
Find one trans content creator on TikTok that has lost their account.
Find a single fucking one.
I'm telling you right now, if you want to believe whatever you want to believe, whatever truth you need to believe is fine, but me as a content creator, as a coach...
I need to have the right.
I should have the right that if I tell the truth, I should not be demonetized and I should not be ratioed.
That's what I'm asking for.
But as far as like the AI thing, of course, the AI is going to get us closer and closer.
I love perplexity.
I think it's one of the greatest inventions I've ever seen.
Perplexity AI has changed my life.
But at the same time, even when I show the evidence and data to support every single thing, I crush people in debates using perplexity now.
Even when I do so, it doesn't matter because it doesn't feel good to them.
They're not my concern.
Yeah, John, I got to say, John, did you ever convince a woman of anything?
The idea that the Los Angeles...
The Los Angeles Fire Department was run by two lesbian women.
Again, truth means nothing.
Truth means nothing here.
It doesn't.
Women who could not have pulled me out of a fire are running the fire department, and then the whole city burns down because truth means nothing to those people.
But when I tell the truth, I should not be punished.
That's my point.
Yeah, I agree with you.
I think that they definitely will, though, get a large percentage of people in line because people in general are just followers, right?
I definitely agree because people just don't want the truth.
They want the truth that they want.
Yeah, they want to be lied to.
This is my truth.
I think that's one of the trends.
Also, in regards to TikTok, the America TikTok and the Chinese TikTok, Douyin, completely different.
TikTok is a psyop thing designed to socially engineer mass amounts of gayness and feminist and liberal rhetoric in America.
Yeah, mission accomplished.
Yeah, yeah.
Before I go to Rolo to close this out, Angry Man, I'm going to come to you.
So you and I, we have a very unique experience.
We both came up through, I guess, not came up through, but we both dabbled in the quote-unquote black manosphere for a while.
And the reason why there is no black manosphere anymore is because of nigga shit.
The infighting, the backbiting, the jealousy, the ego, all of that, it's just straight-up nigga shit, right?
That's what Ronald calls it.
That's what he told me.
Yeah, absolutely.
He does that on his burner account.
Shout out to Don Ozzy for lying to people in that video saying that that was Rolo's a burn account.
You fucking shame on you, dude.
That's Rolo's big book, right?
Nigga, what is it?
So how do we avoid the nigga shit from infiltrating?
Because nigga shit's happening, and that's why the Black Manosphere is no longer around.
And people are talking about, well, the Manosphere's done.
Clearly it's not done, otherwise we wouldn't be on this panel.
But in your opinion, how do we fix the Manosphere?
How can we learn from the lessons of what I like to call NiggaTube as it relates to YouTube?
Well, um...
With the black man, and I caught a lot of backlash when I said it was dead back in 2019. Yeah, because it was.
Yeah.
But my thing is, you can't fix stupid.
Like, stupid is stupid, right?
And with that whole group, it was always about who's king of the hill.
You know, who's going to be the...
The big guy sitting on the throne.
And with me, I was always on some, no, we need a coalition.
We're stronger together.
There's strength in numbers, right?
As far as fixing the overall manosphere, I don't think it needs to be fixed per se in the way that you're talking.
Because...
In my opinion, of course, you do have to weed out a lot of the BS. You do have to have a little more unity.
But it's like Thanos said in the movie Endgame.
Like, the work is done.
And it always will be.
Because once you start to affect the language, you affect the culture.
And I don't know if y'all noticed, but the language here that is used on a daily basis has literally infiltrated the entire world.
Yes.
Like, I'm watching Power, and Tariq St. Patrick is telling his homie he's acting like a simp.
Right, right.
You know what I'm saying?
Alpha, beta.
Yeah, all of that.
So when you are able to affect the language, and that's part of the reason why we've been...
This whole space has been so problematic for the status quo.
Because they know the power of it.
They understand the power of it.
That's why you've got...
I mean, even before they started with the Homeland Security stuff, you had countless people writing hit pieces and putting out these goofy articles and shit.
But at this point, the influence is already there.
It's not going anywhere.
Now, you still have to deal with the problem actors.
You know, you still have to deal with those guys that want to try to circumvent and revert the language.
Because there's a lot of guys that's trying to take the language.
Like, prime example, right?
And this is the most annoying thing to me that I've ever seen in my life.
What do you bring to the table?
Right?
The people that take that statement and run with it.
Have lost their minds and they don't even know where it comes from.
I was literally on a panel back in, I want to say 2017, where the discussion was being had where it was like, well, you know, women have broke the social contract.
And as long as they've broken the social contract, the men need to abstain.
You know, it was a MGTOW conversation.
It was like the men need to abstain until the women finally realize What it really is.
Now, if they come back to the table with something of value, then we can renegotiate the social contract.
That was the conversation.
And somebody took what do you bring to the table and just ran with it.
And so now it's kind of being weaponized against red pill content.
And that's the annoying thing is when somebody takes something from red pill.
And they try to twist it into something goofy because they don't know the origin of it or they don't know how to explain it.
And they just put it out there and then some leftard is able to take it the way they presented it and then flip it and it's like a, like you said, like a gotcha moment.
You know, it's really...
Yeah, they do it all the time.
Well, here's the thing.
That's what they all do, right?
If you look at any hit piece on this stuff, it's taking things out of context.
It's bastardizing phrases.
It's trying to, you know, infantilize women and their accountability.
That's what it is, right?
And the thing is that...
Blatant lies, too, Myron.
Blatant lies.
Blatant lies as well.
Blatant lies.
Right?
So these people make blatant lies, right?
And there's a bunch of commentary channels that do this.
And that's why I'm saying, like...
Because what I realize is this.
I don't know if you guys have noticed, the commentary channels have banded up together.
When one person drops a hit piece, they all drop a hit piece in fucking tandem.
It's like a domino effect.
One person does, ain't this a read, drop a video, then the next couple of idiots all follow the same shit.
That's what I'm saying, like, look, we've all grown, right?
You go back, what, four or five years?
Having a Red Pill channel that was over 100,000 was unheard of.
I'm looking at this channel right now, everyone here has grown significantly.
We got one over a million, we got several well over 100,000 closing in on a million.
Obviously, with our increased reach on the different platforms, etc., that's going to become more scrutiny to the level where the fucking U.S. government is now involved.
So what I'm saying is this.
I think something that we did early on that works really well is guys need to put their fucking egos aside, and we need to start doing this shit at least.
Once a month or twice a month where we do panels like this, bring everyone together, combine all the audiences, and really work together and deal with what's going on in modern dating, what's going on with politics, what's going on with masculinity in general, because things have changed drastically just over the past couple of years, right?
Things have changed drastically.
Yes, they have a lot.
And then real quick with what Mike said with Donald Trump coming in, Donald Trump signed an executive order on day one.
Saying, look, the government is not going to be able to collude with social media companies to censor America's citizens.
They require a warrant now.
Yes, exactly right.
They have to go to a judge.
That's correct.
Yes.
So this executive order bans them from doing that.
But I find it absolutely incredible that the President of the United States had to sign a fucking executive order.
A whole new administration had to come in to deal with this censorship bullshit.
And then you've got idiots on YouTube saying, oh, YouTube, the red people's dead, blah, blah.
No, it's not that the red people's dead.
It's that it's being suppressed.
Significantly by platforms like YouTube, by platforms like Meta.
Like, we got nuked off of Meta back in March.
All of our accounts, gone.
No explanation, right?
We got demonetized on YouTube.
A couple of guys here got demonetized on YouTube, or you guys have been shadow banned, etc.
Like, my thing is this.
I think if we launch a Forge Front, right?
Because we're already big.
We're all big already.
That's why these commentary channels talk about us.
I think we just need to stand in unity, though, and let guys know, like, look, we got a panel of guys.
Everyone has different specialties, whether it's economic, dating, culture, masculinity, holding frame, long-term relationships, etc., academia, when we look at studies, etc.
Like, we are impenetrable together because every base is covered.
All these liberal lefty losers that attack the RP, they always attack it from little side points, not knowing the facts or not knowing how well-educated or how refined a lot of this stuff really is.
So I think if we come together, right, we need to do this at least, and I'm willing to host it.
Or we can move it to channel to channel, however you guys did it with Rule Zero, Redman Group, whatever it may be.
The point is that we all need to grow together and put this stuff out there because guys need it, man.
I'm telling y'all, guys need it.
We can actually do this through StreamYard.
That way we can all blast this out so we don't have to choose which channel.
We can all blast it out on all of our channels.
Also, real quick, this whole topic is important, but we need to be smart about it because we have a community.
Each for ourselves, for our platforms.
We need to bring it together.
I propose we do an actual live event once a month, or maybe like once every two months, all together, either in Vegas, Miami.
We bring all our communities together.
South Dakota.
I think now we're going very far.
For all 11 of you that live out there.
Come on, man.
But yeah, I think it's a good idea, man.
Vegas.
Don't let him fool you.
Okay, last but certainly not least, Rolo.
I mean, how do we fix the manosphere, man?
I want to just, I'm going to read something here before I go too crazy.
So this actually was a handwritten note that was given to me by a mother.
I don't usually like to bring this one out because it's really kind of personal but I will it seems like it's appropriate right now.
I got this probably about Four years ago, I think?
It says, Rolo, I'm a mom of three grown boys.
Most of my best friends have boys.
Delivered your book to my best friend's son who was struggling with a breakup and depression.
It saved his life in more ways than one.
Since then, I have recommended your book to all of our sons to arm them with the knowledge and the tools to succeed.
Thank you for giving me my sons back.
Sincere thanks.
Here, but she actually had to hand this to me because she was crying that she gave it to me, right?
So this is like really personal to me.
So the reason why I keep this in my notebook right here is because that's why I'm fucking doing this.
That's why I'm fucking doing this.
Okay?
So when I was, everybody was saying, well, when Rolo was just sitting around, you know, typing out and having all these great conversations with these guys in the forum days.
I didn't make any money off of this.
I didn't show my face.
I didn't have a podcast.
I didn't have an audio thing.
I didn't have jack-fucking-shit.
All I did was talk about this, and all we did was have conversations about this, which then became essays that I wrote on the blog, which then became chapters in the book, and you guys know the rest of the history right here.
So, the reason I'm bringing this up is because we have had this conversation before, Donovan.
In the CME, in the very first CME, we said exactly what we're saying right now.
Not, like, almost...
Is what we've been saying.
We all need to come together and pool our strengths, you know, wonder twin powers activate, right?
That's what we're trying to do, okay?
And it didn't come together then.
And then we tried it again, I don't know, in 2020 or 2021, something like that.
I'm glad Myron and Fresh got their podcast off the ground.
That was great.
That was a big boon for everybody.
So when Rising Tide lifts all boats, fresh and fit, we're the Rising Tide.
I know that because it was myself and, let's see, who was?
Hotep Jesus and Aaron.
We were the first ones on the show in the infancy of the show.
And I knew that you guys were on to something great and you guys are still on to something great.
And I think we can still sort of dig this out from where we're at right now.
I don't think the atmosphere is dying.
I don't think the atmosphere is...
I think we're changing.
We always change.
It has always fucking changed.
In the 22-some-odd years I've seen...
I've seen it change probably five or six different times, okay?
But you know what hasn't changed?
My reason for fucking doing this.
I'm an ideas guy.
I'm the guy that sits down here and I hash stuff out.
I mean, Mike found me because I have a background in evolution psychology, so that was good.
You know, Michael and I are like kindred spirits, so like we do really...
In Mike, I see a lot of Pat Campbell in there, and I'm not trying to stroke his ego or anything, but I think that's why we work so well together.
That's why Myron and Fresh work really well together, because they're kindred spirits, so they can finish each other's fucking sentences, okay?
I think what we really need to do is if we're going to do this, I'm all for it.
If you guys want to do a monthly meetup or however it works out, just to sort of check in and make sure everybody's got it.
Yeah, I'm all in.
And I hate to use this term, but it's almost as if we need some sort of gatekeeping right here.
We need some checks and balances in all of this.
Because what happens here, and I'm guilty of this just as much as anybody else, is that we become our fucking personas.
Okay?
I am...
I don't know if you guys know this, but Rola Tomasi is not actually my real name, so I guess I better quit.
Wait, what?
Sharp is not his real name.
Mike's real name is...
Actually, Fresh was...
His mom didn't name him Fresh when he came out of the...
Really?
I don't know if you know that.
No.
And Myron?
Myron's not his real name.
Those are our online personas.
You guys have been lying to me this entire time, sons of bitches.
It's because you're the oldest.
I'm just going to finish this off here.
The reason I do this, it's nice to be paid.
It's nice to have the money.
It's nice to be appreciated.
It's nice to be able to walk through a casino and have four or five people identify me as Roald Tomasi.
That's fucking awesome, right?
It's nice to be able to go out and do Babes in Toyland.
It's nice to be able to do all that stuff.
It's nice to make a lot of money at this.
I have moved to Vegas.
I've absolutely changed my life according to my persona.
But we need to remember that there's a man behind the persona.
And we need to remember that our brand is not who we are.
Okay?
So, like, when we are talking, I want to talk to the man.
I don't want to talk to the brand.
Okay?
Especially if we're going to be real with each other, then we better be fucking real with each other.
So, you know, for all the times that we've been talking about how we need to sort of unite the tribes and everything like that, I 100% agree with that.
I'm just waiting for it to happen.
And so when we start becoming more about it's business rather than it's what we're doing.
Like, why are we doing this business in the first place?
Mike Scott.
It's the only business or it's the only group of guys that I have personally endorsed.
And the reason why is because it's ground up.
It's not top down.
It's like, hey, we're going to save the world and then all these guys are going to be okay.
No, it's each one tell one.
That's why I got behind what he was doing.
And because it was on point and it was on message.
And I think if there's one thing that will sort of keep us divided, it's losing the fucking plot.
It's losing the narrative.
It's not about this note anymore.
It becomes about like, well, you know, it's just business as usual.
You know, we need to get more people to watch the show.
We need more eyes on the screen.
We need more CTR. We need more impressions.
We need more of this.
It's not going to make any difference unless we're actually doing it for a real person.
We've got to be genuine.
We have to be fucking authentic about the message that we have.
Because as soon as we lose that, all we're about is just the brand again.
And then we just become our personas.
Then we become Ziggy Stardust, right?
We become...
This plastic, you know, toy.
We become this action figure that has nothing inside of it.
It's just fucking a Ken doll.
And I don't want that to be the future for anything that I've done.
I know that when I'm, I mean, other than Aaron here, I think I'm probably the oldest guy in the whole group here.
I'm not going to be around forever.
And I'm hoping that the legacy that I leave and the dent that I leave in the universe is going to be more about my books and more about the message and more about saving mother's sons than it is going to be about what my market share was before I left or how much money I had in the bank.
When Kevin Samuels died, you know how much money he had in the bank?
Four and a half million fucking dollars.
Did nothing with it.
Had no further impact beyond that.
And could have had more than that.
You have to stay on fucking.
Because if we don't stay on point, we're all going to go our own separate ways and we're all going to be our own separate fucking brands.
And if that's the case, then we're just going to do the same thing we did right after the CME and just go, everybody, hey, yeah, unity, unity, great, awesome, you know, solidarity, but we didn't do jack shit.
So if we want to keep doing this and we want to have some sort of, you know, union or we want to have some sort of cohesion together, I'm all about that.
If you want to do special events, if you want to do them in Vegas or South Dakota or wherever you want to go.
I can do them.
I'm all about that.
But we have to make sure that the message is the number one thing.
Because I don't care how many haters come at us.
I mean, it's great to have this united front and be able to defend against stuff like that.
But it's only worth it if we're all on point and that's the reason that we're doing this.
So if that's the case, then count me in.
I'm ready to go right now.
Well, I want to add something to what you said.
Because you mentioned Kevin Samuels and then Donovan and Angry Man were talking about the black manosphere before.
One thing, right?
And I really dislike to even say this, but the truth is the truth, and I kind of have to say it.
The reason why the Black Manosphere died, right, is simply because Kevin Samuels didn't put his people on.
I'm just going to be honest about it.
He became famous.
He blew up.
He didn't, you know, extend the ladder back and put his guys on, and it died.
That's just what happened.
Once he got into the mainstream, he didn't bring anybody up with him.
And that's the cold, hard truth.
I hate to say that shit, but it's the truth.
And for us, we adopt a little bit of a different mindset where we're going to blow up and we're going to bring everybody up that came alongside us.
And I've seen everyone go off on their own and build really successful independent channels.
Everyone here is well over 100,000, where before, that was unheard of in the manosphere.
I think from this point forward, right, sticking together and doing periodic podcasts like this where guys are able to comment on culture, current events, etc.
Because things are changing rapidly.
Every year, something new is going on, right?
2020, it was a TikTok boom.
2021, it was a pandemic and dealing with that.
2022, oh shit, Trump is going to run again.
Like, every year there's like a new thing going on.
And the thing is with the red pill, it's not just women.
It's the truth in general, right?
You can apply it to so many different endeavors.
And that's what I noticed was, you know, the one thing on the Kevin Samuels legacy that I wish he did was put on his people.
And he simply didn't.
He simply didn't.
It's just the truth and it sucks.
Maybe he didn't have enough time.
Maybe that was the plan before he passed away.
I know that he had something going on.
But what I will say is when he did those Nicki Minaj collabs, when he did those big events, there was no shout-out to anybody from the sphere.
And it kills me because a guy like Donovan Sharp platformed him like 80 times.
And he never shouted them out.
And I always was like, what the hell?
Right?
And I was like, we're not going to do that.
So I think, you know...
We absolutely need to stand united and do periodic shows like this.
One of the things that I just want to...
I'll give it to you in just a second, Mike.
But one of the things I really need to emphasize here is this, is that we wouldn't...
Aaron Clary, of all people, and myself, would not be on a DHS terrorist watch list if what we were saying wasn't threatening to them.
If it wasn't that important for them to go and funnel money through an NGO diverting hate to divert our traffic.
Divert your traffic, too, by the way.
way you're on you guys were on that list pearl was on that list aaron was on that list uh modern life wasn't he didn't make that oh he's not on the most wanted list like they were on that list right all these people who are on this list it's like and i need to stress the point that it's not the people who are on the list it's the fucking message It's the message that we're putting out there.
You know what they want to do is not necessarily take away your subs.
They're shadow banning us.
They're not even shadow banning us.
They're overtly banning us.
I don't know if Aaron has told you this, but we've had this conversation before.
He's like, have you seen your subs go down?
I'm like, my subs have flatlined.
His super chats have flatlined.
Everything has flatlined for the last year because of this and still is as far as I know.
But the reason why we are on that list is because The message is what is threatening to them.
They want to destroy the message.
They want to destroy the messengers.
The reason why they didn't focus on you guys and Pearl was because you were already demonetized.
You weren't a threat at that point.
Because the only way they can destroy us is financially and monetarily.
No, we've lost subs too, man.
It's like, there's been, and here's the thing, it's with everyone in this genre, I've noticed this, right?
Like, luckily for us, we've been like, you know, kind of saw this coming when building on...
We've been prioritizing Rumble.
But YouTube, absolutely.
If you're on that DHS list, they absolutely have done something to whether fuck you up in the algorithm, on the viewers.
People that are subscribed to us even tell us, yeah, I'm subscribed to your channel.
They automatically unsubscribe me, or I don't even know when you're live.
It's crazy, dude.
I want to say something real quick before we go on.
As far as Black Manosphere is concerned, I want to pull up some stats here.
So I want to let you guys know that...
The work we all did, me as a Hispanic man, you guys as African Americans, the work we all did from, say, 2019 all the way up into the election mattered for something, okay?
The Harris campaign, traditionally African Americans vote in massive blocks and Democrats.
They lost 10%.
Guys, the number of African Americans...
I'm going to compare 2020 to 2024. It went up to 20% from 13%.
Consider all the fucking messaging that they've had.
Dude, 41% of Hispanics from 35% started voting Republican.
The number of African-American men under the age of 50 that voted Republican was 30%.
When you consider how, for the last 70 years, how it has been ingrained for African-Americans to vote Democrat, how incredible some of these numbers are.
What I'm trying to tell you is what we did for five years fucking worked.
It did work because what we finally did was took minorities, Asian, Indian, Hispanic, black minorities, who had been brainwashed into voting Democrat for 70, 80 years, ever since the Dixiecrats.
Finally, for the first time, when they saw the Harris campaign, put Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion out there at a fucking polit—strippers up there at a— Fucking political rally.
Finally, African-American men, white men, black men said, that's not what I want in a wife.
That is not the campaign I want to support.
It used to be that Democrats were the party of the disenfranchised.
Now the disenfranchised are men.
We're the disenfranchised.
And so because of that, when you keep showing...
When I'm listening to Jennifer Lopez at a Democrat rally crying about the scary orange man, bitch, why didn't you tell us about P. Diddy while you were sitting there fucking with her before you started telling me about Donald Trump?
When I'm sitting there, Jennifer Lopez makes a movie about strippers robbing men.
I'm sitting there watching Cardi B, Megan Thee, Cardi B talking about robbing men when she was a stripper, and you put her up?
You put her up at your Democrat rally?
That's what you want?
Finally, men woke up.
And it didn't matter what color they were.
They wanted a good woman.
And there were two political parties, and one of them was like, how about traditional conservatism, masculinity, and Christianity, or whatever religion you believe in, Islam, whatever.
How about we support this idea versus the other one where it's basically like, let's just promote super high body counts and unlimited abortion.
And so we got to that point.
And finally, I just want to say, the work we did, it worked.
I don't care what anyone says, black men under 50, twice as many of them voting Republican, you don't think all the YouTube stuff we did had something to do with that?
You're out of your mind.
That's why it happened.
And so that was a huge, and I made the prediction before the election that massive numbers of African American and Hispanic men were going to switch their vote from Democrat to Republican, and that's what happened, and that's why the president won by six, seven million votes.
Yeah, and that goes back to what I said, you know?
Your boos mean nothing to me.
I've seen what you cheer for.
You cheer for Lizzo.
You cheer for Cardi B. You cheer for Megan Thee Stallion.
And it's going back to, I think what Rollo said is why we definitely need a gatekeeping situation with the Manosphere.
Because the Manosphere and all these content creators has kind of become like cryptocurrency.
And all of these new channels are like useless little meme coins that are diverting away and making people hate the Manosphere in general because they just have this...
Very, very, very bad overall messaging that they're just trying to make money from it.
That's the only thing they're trying to do.
And I have a name I'd like to propose.
I think Angry Man and Aaron would understand.
Actually, all these guys would probably understand it.
But we need to call it the National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Masterhood.
No ma'am from the Married with Children.
We need to bring you to No Ma'am.
That's funny.
Aaron remembers.
Is everything okay?
Donovan's laptop died.
Let me throw one overarching point in here that I think is very important.
I don't think you have to worry about the red pill going away.
And the reason why is that as long as there's a male sex drive and they're lying about the sexes, there will always be a call for the red pill.
It's not going away.
They've tried it.
That's why they're afraid of the message that we're sending out there.
But when men start getting laid and men and women are happy together again, then there won't be a need for us because we'll be telling the truth about the sexes.
But until you keep promoting this, frankly, feminist Marxist bullshit, where it's fun and fashionable to hate men and men are the oppressors, there will always be a red pill.
And then you're fighting human nature.
So I'm not worried about it going away, really worried about your legacy.
It's ensconced.
It's chiseled in stone.
And what guarantees it is that it's male nature.
I'm sorry, we like you girls too much.
So as long as that's here, there will always be...
And I wish for the day we wouldn't need it.
You know, like after they won World War II, the soldiers were like, well, let's stick around.
They couldn't wait to go back home.
I kind of like to get back to being an economist or some kind of...
Something else, but until that point in time, and I hope any government people or normies out there are listening, keep lying.
Then we will never go away as long as you keep lying.
Men's sex drive is not negotiable.
You adapt because it's reality.
And good luck in trying anything else.
Yeah, and the future of social media, if you've been studying blockchain, if you've studied people like Anton Antonopoulos, you know, we're going to get to a point where we're no longer in need of these big companies like YouTube and TikTok, where we are literally slaves to their algorithm.
Rolo is right.
We have, ever since Andrew Tate got arrested in 2022, and then Fresh and Fit got demonetized, all viewership has been down across the board, flat or declining.
Monetizations have been...
Taken away or minimalized.
Superchats as well.
And again, I look at that as a sign of we're winning.
Like, they don't attack people who pose no threat.
Like, the military doesn't divert troops to a peaceful area.
To like, oh, these peaceful people are a threat.
They attack a threat.
And we're a threat to their, you know, the rule of colors, the gynocentric social order, right?
That's the threat.
That we are attacking.
But again, Buddha said it.
Three things always come out.
The sun, the moon, and the truth.
I'm optimistic for the future.
You know what else always comes out?
Big Mo.
I think the worst days of attack and stuff are behind us, and I really don't think – I think we've actually won the war.
Like what Sartain said, what happened with Trump, it was us.
It was us leading the charge, all of us.
It was not – it wasn't people like, I don't know, the Better Man podcast or whatever.
I don't even watch this trash.
I'm kidding.
I don't have any shitty reference points.
But it was us who laid the foundation, and we're going to continue to lay the foundation.
This is just the beginning.
They had to lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate.
And we're still here.
And we're still here, bro.
Just consider how many of us that are here watching this right now, bro, and your government unquestionably doesn't want you to watch us.
And we're still here.
There's no doubt about this.
We can show you.
DHS had $70 million set aside for this fucking nonsense.
And we can show it to you.
Again, guys, go check out Rolo and me doing the Justin Baldani.
We go over step-by-step what your government did to keep you from watching stuff like this.
And there's still 3,200 people watching us right now in spite of all of that.
In spite of all of that, that we still want.
I want to point out some very important.
I know you guys make fun of South Dakota.
Do you know who's in charge of the Department of Health, Department of Homeland Security now?
Kristino, I'm your governor.
Kristino, I'm my governor of South Dakota.
So you all better be watching what you say about South Dakota and cattle and all that other stuff.
Well, none of us are legal, so we're fine.
By the way, Donovan's laptop died as well.
He's not here right now.
Oh, that's what happened.
But I think if we just keep doing what we're doing right now.
Time will pass.
I think Trump definitely is going to be on our side for free speech, an example of these platforms.
We can do pretty well and come back to where we used to be.
I mean, like that whole DHS endeavor is literally illegal now.
So we'll see.
You know, hopefully YouTube switches their thing because the thing is, even though I hate YouTube, I understand that it's a necessary evil to get people to find you.
It's a search engine.
So I think that was relevant.
So the thing is, is that we got to You gotta find the people via TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, these bot apps, and then obviously bring them to somewhere where you can talk openly, whether it's a paywall, rumble, Patreon, whatever it may be.
But the point is that I think it's very important that we need to reach more guys because over the past couple years under the Biden administration, there's no doubt about it.
They've stifled all of us.
And in 2025...
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
We're gonna fucking take over.
I'm going live every single day on my channel doing political commentary.
I want to go ahead and bring you guys as I rise up with me.
And we're gonna bring everybody up together in this space because guys need this shit.
Whether it's the money through someone like Aaron Clary who could teach guys how to be more economical.
It could be Roald Tomasi referencing the academia alongside Sartain.
It could be Angry Man who's able to touch the urban community and let them know that you gotta stop being dumbass niggas.
It could be John who understands the sexual marketplace on a world level.
Donovan Sharp, who's a great speaker.
Some other guys in the red pill that we want to bring in as well where we have these discussions.
And it could be, you know, everyone go live on their channel.
I don't give a fuck about views.
I just wanted to get the most reach possible.
Everyone go live.
We just do a big ass fucking broadcast once or twice a month.
I think the people will love it.
I think it will show unity.
And most importantly, you'll be able to have all these minds together.
And I think that's critical.
We need to do this all 2025.
People got to put their fucking egos aside.
And, you know, I think it's on us.
It's pressure for the biggest red pill YouTube channel right now on YouTube.
We need to unite everybody.
It's our responsibility.
We're going to bring as many guys to the table as possible and everyone grow together.
And we get this message out because we've been suppressed for four fucking years under the Biden administration.
And a lot of people don't know.
My stupid ass YouTuber saying this dumb shit about, oh, this is dead.
Blah, blah, blah.
They fell off.
There's literally legislation, paperwork where just like Sartain said, they spent $61 million to suppress this information.
Because a guy that understands his value is the most dangerous thing that can happen to a cucked out fucking...
There's your paper right there.
Guys, it is.
The Department of Homeland Security made this.
This is not.
Read Diverting Hate, Misogynistic Extremism, the Manosphere.
This is a document by the federal government saying the word Manosphere.
This is not me.
I'm not sitting there crying wolf.
Watch the video where Rolo and I take this apart piece by piece.
They were diverting our fucking traffic.
Mike, they had a whole congressional meeting on this shit as well saying how it's dangerous.
And again, the reason why it's dangerous, guys, because a man that has value and understands his value is very dangerous, okay?
Women aren't going to be able to manipulate him.
He's not going to be a simp spending a bunch of money on stupid industries that don't benefit him.
Like Valentine's Day, which is why we want to have this podcast on Valentine's Day.
A guy that is aware of his value is extremely dangerous.
So that's why they do this bullshit.
That's why you have these idiots.
That's why they go ahead and push idiots like Anus and Reach, Moist Critical, Filian, all these different channels that talk shit about the manosphere, all these different liberal left-leaning channels that talk shit about masculinity becoming a better man, self-improvement.
They push those channels because they want to keep you poor.
They want to keep you fat.
They want to keep you stupid.
They want to keep you sitting there, wasting time on YouTube, getting mindless fucking entertainment.
They want to keep you watching sports.
They don't want you to self-improve because if you self-improve...
You're gonna realize that you're living in a fucking dumbass matrix.
You're fat, poor, lazy.
That's why women don't want you.
And if you wake up and you actually do what you need to fucking do, guess what?
They can't make money off of you.
That's why they don't want you guys knowing this fucking information is dangerous.
Also, they were mad that Meyer left the actual...
You know, government as well.
They might be mad about that, too.
Let's get this nigga right now.
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah.
But, guys, we got to do it after hours with the girls right now.
Let's do the outros as well as the chats, and then we'll head out here.
Yeah, we're going to be able to find you guys.
And I'm going to coordinate with you guys behind the scenes that we're going to start doing this.
I'm telling you, I'm committing to this.
At least once or twice a month, we need to do this shit.
Oh, one more thing.
Community as well.
Speaking of community, we got to be an event this Saturday, actually, in Miami.
For guys on our network.
Learn how to be a better man, how to make money.
All of you guys are invited if you want to come, by the way, to this mastermind.
We're going to do a pre-introduction with a meet and greet from 11 to 1 in Miami, here in Brickell.
Then we're going to do as well a 2 to 8 p.m.
speech and engagement.
And then from there, from 9 to around like 12, we're going to do it after party, yachts, drinks, girls, all that in between, guys.
Tap into that.
Links are going to be in your login for Casaco Premium and as well locals.
Cool.
But yeah, I guess, Cappy, you can leave it off for your outro and then Sartain, MLD, Angry Man, and then Rollo.
Okay, just my outro.
You can find me, I guess, at assholeconsulting.com.
Latest book that might be of interest, especially to Mike, a mathematician, would be A World Without Men, an analysis of an all-female economy.
But more importantly to what we're talking about here, Subscribe to all of our channels.
If you guys could put our YouTube channels in there.
You can't see it, Aaron, but we have everyone's channels at the corner of their picture.
If your audience has 3,000 people tuning in, I just, and not because I want more subscribers, of course I want more subscribers, but I just want to see what the hell's going on with YouTube right now.
If you could subscribe to that and everyone else here, I'm just curious if I'm going to be hard-lined at 127. And if it doesn't go above 127, then we know for a fact something's going on.
But otherwise, yeah, that's basically it.
You can find me at my channel and find out a ton of the stuff I have done written.
Oh, and I officially have published my book.
That means I have written more books than I have read.
So I now have written more books than I have read, and I'll tell you guys about that later.
Awesome.
Good stuff, Aaron.
Michael.
Yeah, guys, if you've ever been in discussions like the ones we're having now with people who don't think the same way you do, and you have trouble, like a lot of times you know what you're saying is true, but you don't know how to back it up statistically or with data.
Come check out my channel.
Go to Michael Sartain on YouTube.
This is what I specialize in.
I'm going to give you the actual data, evolutionary psychology studies, and studies from the U.S. Census data and different places like that, showing that the crisis in dating is real, the crisis in the economy is real, all these different things that we're discussing.
We have logical reasons for why these things are coming.
Also, if you guys, the other thing I teach is Social Circle.
I'm probably the number one Social Circle coach in the world.
If you guys want to learn more about Social Circle, how to throw parties where there's like seven guys, seven girls for every guy, and just date a lot of beautiful women, I've got the receipts.
You guys are welcome to check me out.
Go to moamentoring.com forward slash testimonials, and you'll see 200 testimonials of guys whose social lives I've changed for the better.
Like I said before, if you guys want to listen to these blue pill people who try to give you advice.
Show me the people they've helped.
They should have testimonials.
I have testimonials, and I'm willing to show them to you.
So make sure you guys check me out.
Also, Mike is a real deal.
We've been to Vegas a bunch of times.
He is the guy for Social Circle Game and the club, How to Maneuver, and Ladies.
Go check him out.
MLG, go ahead, bro.
Just check me out on YouTube, Modern Life Dating.
I just want to say I commend everybody for watching us here.
I know it's a Friday night, and you could be doing a lot of things, but thank you all for watching me.
I'm about to go live right now on my channel for Free Consultation Friday.
I've been doing that consistently since 2019, so if you want to get free help from me right now, I'm about to go live.
Subscribe to my channel.
Come on over.
You can pop on StreamYard.
The amount of brands that came through me, it was fresh and fresh.
It started through some of my...
My consultations and my work with me throughout 2019 and 2020. The legal mindset.
I mean, both of Justin Baller's top interns, graduates from the Masculine Empowerment Network.
I mean, the list goes on and on and on.
So if you're a guy who's like me, you came from nothing, you were just an average guy.
And you want to have a dating life.
You want to have an above-average dating life.
You want to have your finances in order.
You want to have a plan, and you don't want to just be drowned in this sea of hopelessness that everybody likes to paint just for clicks and views.
Come on over.
I got you.
I'll sort you out.
John, can you put your link in the chat?
Put your link in the chat so guys can go over to that stream right after this one if you could throw your link in the chat, please.
So, guys, after the instruments, go to Modern Life Dating right now.
Go check him out.
He was instrumental in us starting Fresh and Fit.
There would be no Fresh and Fit without John, so go support him.
We're not going to be live for another, like, 40 minutes or so, so please go watch John on Modern Life Dating.
Get some fucking help.
Some of you niggas need it anyway.
Also, he knows how to make a lot of money, too.
Yeah, so go check out John.
He's going to drop the link in the chat.
We'll pin it for you guys.
Go watch him when he goes live here after this stream, please.
And Angry Man, I don't know you too well, but you got a lot to say, man.
A lot of knowledge, a lot of wisdom.
So let's hear your outro, bro.
Yeah, man.
So you guys can check me out on YouTube.
Pretty much any social media.
If you just look up the Angry Man, usually I'll come up.
Also, over on my channel, you know, we occasionally talk about masculinity, things that actually help men out.
As far as navigating the modern world, we've been doing a lot of conservative political talk lately because I feel like that's something that is sorely needed.
We need more conservative dudes and less liberal dudes.
In addition to that, you guys can check out my book.
I actually have a book, The Angry Man Standard, which is basically for guys that want long-term relationships, but they want...
A more traditional relationship that basically teaches them how to vet the women they want to deal with, make sure that the women that they want to deal with are on their program before they get into anything serious.
That book is available on Amazon.
All you have to do is type The Angry Man Standard in the Amazon search bar and it'll come up.
Other than that, man, y'all can check me out on YouTube.
Also, guys, go check out Angry Man.
He has a channel on Rumble as well.
Me and him had a very in-depth conversation a couple of nights ago where we went into politics, JFK. We talked about the black community and feminism, Kendrick Lamar, Super Bowl, Wyatt Flop.
We went to a bunch of different political and cultural topics.
Please go check it out.
It was a great discussion me and Angry Man had.
It's on his Rumble channel.
I'll also post it on my stuff as well so that you guys can find him.
But guys, go please check out that interview.
It was a great discussion with Angry Man.
And Rolo, last but not least.
Well, you can find me on The Rational Mail.
You guys already know that.
I do one show a week.
It's about a three or four hour show.
Seven hour show.
I do it at 1 p.m.
Pacific, 4 p.m.
Eastern every Sunday.
I also do this great show called Access Vegas with Mr. Michael Carr.
February 27th?
Yes, February 27th will be our next one.
We do it every other Thursday.
We do a panel show, not unlike the girls show you're about to watch.
So we do that.
I also have a program called Reignite.
And Reignite is specifically targeted on guys rebuilding their lives after being zeroed out.
Mike has described this as Mike runs offense and I run defense.
I'm the defensive coordinator and he's the offensive coordinator when it comes to our partnership and our teamwork.
So I am here to sort of help you unfuck your life and to keep the gun out of your mouth and the noose off your neck after a nasty divorce.
Or if you're just trying to simply figure out what it is that you want to do with yourself, just go check out Reignite Alpha.
I just put that there in the chat.
That is my sort of new program that I'm doing with the new community.
But we go and do events and stuff.
We go to Babes in Toyland.
We've got some stuff coming up in Miami in May.
So check that out and you'll see what my new program stuff is.
I'm working on a new book, but if you want to get on any of my other books, all five of them are available on Amazon.
And if you'd like to talk to me privately or just DM me, I'm available on Twitter and I'm available on Instagram.
So there you go.
This is what we're going to do.
Can you drop his Amazon link real quick in the chat, all of his books?
Because I do think people need to go and read that.
Obviously, everyone go check out.
MLD is going to go live right now.
Rola, I didn't know that you had this program, man.
We should have you on and talk about how guys need to...
Because I think that'd be a fantastic episode.
It'll be one of the Red Pill Stable videos.
I saw a need for it because there's so much going on as far as, like, you know, male suicide is at an all-time high, and especially after, like, a nasty divorce.
That really was the germ of the idea, but then everybody else wanted to get in on that, too, and say, you know, I need help.
Help me get my life back together.
Help me come back from...
Fight back from zero and being a zero now.
You guys said you got access to Vegas on the 27th?
Yeah, 27th of February.
Alright, maybe we'll go out there and we'll do something with you guys, then we'll do an episode with you talking about that thing.
We are always welcome a red one.
Alright, we'll work some out because I like that because we've never done an episode on how a guy can rebuild after a divorce.
We haven't done that yet.
Yeah, only how to avoid it.
Only how to avoid it, but we never talked about how to actually rebuild after, so I think that'll be fantastic.
Guys, please go follow everyone on this panel.
Go get Aaron Clary's books.
A World Without Men is actually really good, Aaron.
I actually bought it the other day, and I listened to it.
It was fantastic.
Cool.
Thanks, man.
Go check out Sartain.
Go check out Anchorman.
We did a fantastic interview.
Go check his Rumble out and his YouTube, and then go follow John on his stream that he's going to do right now.
And real quick...
We got some chats over there from the very beginning.
We'll read them at the top of the next show.
Guys, we're going to read them at the top of the next show, guys, because we got to get going here.
Chris is getting this shit going, and these guys got to go.
So, alright.
Yeah, well, do we have them saved or no?
Can we save them?
We'll have them saved?
Or we could let these guys go, then we read it.
That way they're not stuck on the stream.
We'll see you guys next month.
We'll catch you guys.
Thanks for having us, guys.
Alright, later.
We'll do that.
Because I don't want to keep them here while we read them.
You know what I mean?
Alright, later, John.
We're going to get off here in a second after we read these.
Cool.
Okay.
First one, boss.
Yeah, we'll read them real quick.
Albo Ace.
$100.
Don DeMarco.
Shout out to you, Albo.
I think big WRP Avengers, we definitely need more of these shows, especially if they would be live.
I would definitely pull up.
I keep leading from the front, gentlemen.
All of your guys' work is very important for all of us.
Let's do the damn thing.
Alright?
Cool, cool, cool.
Uh...
Demetrius Raps?
Yo, Myron, I don't know if you've seen, but you made the Drix album.
Go to the song Glorious.
Go to 53 seconds.
Can you react to it?
It's live.
It's a 4 second bit.
So I don't think that's copyright worthy.
Also, every big YouTuber reaction is on the page.
And it's your voice.
I'm 99% sure that's you even the laugh WFNF. I don't think so.
I think that's the guy that interviewed Ice Spice, if I'm correct.
But it's funny because he's almost kind of like Myron.
But it's funny though.
Knowing Drake, he...
What's the name of the song?
Yeah.
Yeah, knowing Drake, he ain't doing that shit.
JJ Inc.
Respected OGs who built the foundation so FNF can thrive.
So from the UK Brotherhood, shout out to you.
Your boy Lem.
Speaking of girls, if you just saw this video on YouTube today, and I can't believe what I saw.
A girl fighting a guy in Muay Thai fight.
It was crazy, so here's a link.
Okay.
Brett Wasika.
We have to Aikido Daogo.
That is true.
Shiva Yarwan says...
Don't you think that blaming this on the simps when it really is all these laws that are wildly pro-women and anti-men are causing all these problems?
Bro.
Here's the thing, bro.
It's a multifaceted, complex issue with many different things going on, whether it's the shadow banning of us while simultaneously promoting hater channels.
Like, yeah, dude.
It's all that.
If they were not rewarded with the money, they wouldn't do it.
Yeah.
It's for the money.
Yeah, and they're getting pushed to the algo.
Yeah, so.
Like, notice how all these dudes, like, get crazy views from shitting on Fresh and Fit.
It's money-driven.
It's business.
Yeah.
They're making money, so that's why they do it.
Last one here.
Is it at Bills?
Cool.
Shiva, again.
I'm 29 years old.
I make $150K a month.
I have $2.5 million net worth in decent shape, six foot tall, charismatic, etc., and still struggle to find a girl to long-term date.
No hookups.
Any advice for me?
That's the problem.
You have to go through the hookup phase, my friend.
This is just what it is.
Especially someone like you, making that kind of money a month.
Girls are going to chew you up and spit you out, man.
If you're trying to find a girl long term and you have that kind of success, what's going to happen is girls are going to fucking be chameleons up front.
You're going to think you got a great girl, and then you're going to find out later on that she's not good.
So you have to go through a phase where you learn female nature.
You're going to get it through lumps and bruises, and it's going to suck, but you're going to have to figure that out, dude.
It's like an online game.
You've got to fight the trolls first to find the actual...
And you go in, and you're like, I'm looking for a relationship.
Girls are going to immediately think you're a bitch, bro.
You have to make it go in where you're the wild horse that she needs to tame.
You know what I mean?
Like, you're the guy that's the player, and she's fighting to get you to settle down.
Not the other way around, bro.
You've already lost if you're going with that mindset.
Because then they're just going to pretend and behave as if they're a good girl.
And then your dumbass ain't going to know the difference.
Well, he'll experience her cooked.
Akichi Goro gave us five 50 subs on Rumble.
Shout out to you, brother.
Akichi Goro, shout out to you.
All right, I think that's pretty much it, right?
Okay.
Cool.
No, that was quick.
Yeah, guys, I didn't want to hold him because John has a show.
A lot of these guys, like, really, like, you know, we were interrupting their schedule.
By the way, tomorrow...
We're going to announce a way you can win a free Cybertruck from the coffee that we all love from Rumble.
Shout out to them as well.
It's going to be here tomorrow for us, and we're going to give it to somebody pretty soon in the audience.
So buy the coffee, guys.
Support us.
And support us there on the actual coffee itself.
All right.
All right, guys, we're going to be back with some lovely latest.
Hope you guys enjoyed the stream.
Yes.
Go check out John.
He's live right now on Modern Life Dating, guys, and we're going to do this once a month.
We're going to organize it and get different guys from the Red Pill on, and these are going to be some great discussions.
And again, the event, guys, this Saturday, get tickets now while you still can't down below.
It closes off on Wednesday.
RSVP, guys.
Later.
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