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Oct. 18, 2024 - Fresh & Fit

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Ian Bick Meets Fresh&Fit

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	Thank you.
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	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Freshman Podcast, man.
	We're here with special guest, Ian Bick.
	Let's get into it, guys.
	Let's go.
	And we are live.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Freshly Fit Podcast, man.
	We're live on all the platforms, Twitch, YouTube, X, Castle Club, Rumble.
	We're back.
	We're even live on February X right now, guys.
	So welcome to the show.
	We got a special guest in the house.
	We got Ian Bick in the house, man.
	And for those of you guys that aren't familiar, I did an interview with him a couple of weeks back while I was home in Connecticut.
	And we went in detail as to my background with, you know, what I used to do with Homeland Security Investigations.
	We had a very deep talk on federal investigations, how they work.
	But we're going to give you guys another perspective on the other side where Ian actually was arrested by the feds and had to go ahead and deal from the other perspective.
	So this is going to be a really interesting interview.
	So, Ian, I know who you are, man.
	Welcome to the show.
	Can you please introduce yourself to the people?
	Thank you guys for having me, man.
	It's an honor.
	And that's the interview we did on his channel, guys.
	Go check it out.
	Dude, I said this a couple weeks ago, but no big YouTubers or whoever come to Connecticut.
	So it was cool to connect when you said, oh, I literally am from there.
	So it was awesome.
	And when I started out, I watched your guys' stuff, your clips, and you guys were someone to look up to.
	So I appreciate you guys having me on.
	So back in the day, you guys were enemies, basically.
	Pretty much, I guess you could say that.
	The type of crime that he investigated, I guess, yeah, because we investigate wire fraud too, but...
	Maybe he was one of the agents.
	No, he was in Connecticut.
	Well, it's funny because I did a little stint in Connecticut for the New Haven office when I was working for Homeland Security.
	But I think I left because you didn't get picked up until like what, 2018 or something?
	2015 I got indicted.
	I went to prison in 2016.
	I was in Texas by then.
	Yeah, it was the New Haven office that was investigating me with the postal inspectors out of Hartford and the New Haven field office, FBI, which I found out was their field office.
	My first reverse proffer was with the U.S. Attorney's office in that FBI building.
	Shit, whoa.
	And we'll get into all that.
	We need the full story.
	That's a lot.
	You guys are probably like, what the hell's going on here?
	We're going to explain some of this jargon, because I know some of you guys might not be familiar with the criminal justice system from the federal perspective, so we'll go ahead and define some of these jargon-type terms.
	But Ian, can you kind of give us an insight into your background, where you grew up, how that was, that type of thing?
	Your intro.
	So I grew up in Danbury, Connecticut.
	I was born in New York City, grew up in Danbury, you know, good family.
	Dad was a public schools teacher in New York in Spanish Harlem, and he went on to become a caterer.
	So I grew up around, you know, going to like Harry Potter premieres.
	He did stuff for 50 Cent, Bill Clinton, like really successful in the catering world.
	And then my mom was a massage therapist after doing, like, clinical social work.
	So I was raised kind of like in that entrepreneurial family.
	And, you know, good schools.
	Went to private school for a little bit because I was bullied a lot.
	Very overweight.
	Everyone called me Twinkie and Chubster.
	Really?
	Yeah, I was teased.
	Always last picked.
	I didn't even play sports in high school.
	I did musical theater.
	And, you know, family vacations.
	Had a younger brother growing up.
	Always had, like, the family dog.
	You know, family pizza nights.
	And we grew up in a Jewish community.
	It was called Lake Wabika.
	And there was literally, like, 200 houses.
	Everyone was Jewish.
	There was a synagogue across the street from my house that we would actually break into.
	Not break in.
	Whatever.
	Because the door was unlocked, but we would walk in and get the liquor for our house parties.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What the heck?
	I'll tell you this, if a synagogue is near your real estate property, it was going up in value, man.
	Wow.
	And we lived on the lake.
	No motorboats, but we had paddleboards, rowboats, canoes, everything like that.
	And in high school, I started out throwing house parties, and that...
	I eventually went from, you know, 200, 400 people house parties to then going to renting out a local nightclub called Tuxedo Junction, which was a famous rock club where I did shows and made like 15 grand a night in high school.
	I was 15.
	Damn.
	And then from there...
	How old are you now?
	I'm 29.
	29, okay.
	And then from there I went on to big concerts.
	I've worked with everyone from like the Chainsmokers, 21 Savage, Steve Aoki, Zedd's Dead.
	EDM was huge back then.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it still is popular, but like...
	2010 to 2016, it was huge.
	It had exploded at URI and Massachusetts and Boston and that area.
	And it translated to Connecticut because it was only a couple hours away.
	And I kind of ran with it doing these giant acts.
	My first show ever was Big Sean.
	I paid him $40,000, did a whole college concert at the campus.
	And you did all this at this club called Tuxedos, you said?
	No, at that point I grew out of Tuxedos and went into the concert promotion business.
	I would later come to own tuxedos later on while I was on trial with the feds, which was another crazy thing.
	And how old were you when you started this business where you were doing kind of like event planning?
	I was 15.
	15?
	I was making like 10 grand a night cash.
	Start up from the bottom, now we're there.
	Teen party promoting.
	And that's essentially what I do now.
	This world is concert promoting just virtually.
	Yeah, you're promoting people to come watch your stuff.
	Exactly.
	That's an interesting way of looking at it.
	So you get your feet wet doing this.
	You're in high school.
	You graduate.
	And then at that point, you're kind of at a crossroads.
	What happened there?
	Yeah.
	So once I moved on from these club nights, I got very ambitious, and I started raising money from friends and family to book concerts.
	My first concert I wanted to do was, this was after Big Sean, because my partners kind of took the Big Sean show, and I didn't get to invest money into it.
	So I raised money to do a Wiz Khalifa show, was my first thing, and I raised $120,000.
	Black and yellow?
	Yeah, that was when it was.
	It was 2012 was supposed to be the concert.
	Okay, let's go.
	Yeah, end of 2012.
	And we were going to book Wiz Khalifa, and my business partner at the time said he could book him because we had just booked Asher Roth, who was signed to Scooter Braun at the time, you know, Bieber's manager.
	And we believed him.
	He got us Asher Roth, you get us Wiz Khalifa.
	He just said you needed 120,000 in a bank account to show proof of funds.
	So I get the money.
	I raise it from friends and family, but I guarantee them the money back.
	I say, listen, I'll give you your money back even if the show loses because I was so confident Wiz Khalifa is going to sell out.
	Gotcha.
	So I go back to these investors and I say, listen, you know, we can put it into a string of shows, multiple shows in Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and some of them, like, leave their money in, some take out, and we do these shows, and that first show tanks, and in that moment, I decide to lie and say it made money because I didn't want them to not like me.
	I didn't want to be seen as a failure because I was already so successful before, and I was about 17 years old when this happened.
	Okay, so you basically lost Wiz Khalifa.
	You promised you would get the money back through a string of shows.
	It didn't end up panning out the way you wanted.
	But I told them it made money.
	Yeah, but you told them it was profitable.
	So instead, like...
	So they're expecting their money back then.
	Exactly.
	And that one lie was like a domino effect.
	Because, say a show, you put 20 grand into a show.
	Yeah.
	So if I told them it made, say, 30, but really I only got back 5, so I'm down now the 15 plus the 10 that is profit.
	So that's a 25 grand deficit.
	Also, when it comes to concerts and having artists, you have to pay the artists up front and hope bottles sell, people buy drinks to make about your money.
	Because up front, you gotta pay them their fee, no matter what happens.
	Front end and back end.
	For rap, it's 50% when you sign on and announce it, 50% cash.
	Right when they show up like an hour or two before doors when they're doing soundcheck.
	EDM is 50% up front.
	And then the rest day of or you build enough relationships like I owed the chain smokers 25 grand for like four months after the show because we had those relationships.
	And it was just it was crazy.
	And I was gambling to kind of like make them their money back.
	Gotcha.
	Shit.
	And obviously, you know, doing this as a young guy, just for the audience to understand, by the way, because you mentioned a bunch of states, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York.
	Guys, like, for all of you guys that might live in Texas and these big rural areas, New England, think of it as like one big ass, one state, because whether you're in Connecticut, Massachusetts, you can get anywhere you need to in New England within two hours.
	Hype Train Level 4, let's go!
	Shout out to Y'all Ninjas, man.
	Shout out to Twitch, man.
	Take the mullet.
	So keep that in mind, guys, that New England, everything is close, dude.
	Literally, within two hours, you could be in another state in another major city.
	So, okay.
	It's funny, that one lie.
	So Wiz Khalifa fucked you up, basically.
	Well, not him, it's the person that promised to.
	But if that show happened, we wouldn't be here today.
	Because if it lost, yeah, it's that one thing, you know?
	I just need that one show to happen.
	But you know what's crazy?
	Usually it's the person in the middle between you and the artist.
	I was gonna ask him that next.
	Who fucked it up?
	Was it Wiz or was it the middleman?
	The middleman, because in the concert business, the rap game, when you're first starting out, there's so many middleman.
	Like, it's not like now a podcast, you deal directly with the guest.
	Yeah.
	Back then, when you have no connections when you're a teenager, I dealt with six different people who I would send money to, to money to, to money to.
	That's how, like, a scenario like Chief Keef is one of the guys I booked.
	He never showed up.
	He never paid me the money back.
	And when you go to try to sue him, it's just middle, middle, middle, middle.
	There's no options.
	Sometimes the ropers don't even know who took the money on their behalf.
	Exactly.
	They don't know.
	Oh, you mean Vitaly?
	Sorry, Vitaly, yeah.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Because they had booked Quavo to come on this Catch a Predator episode.
	Quavo didn't show up.
	I was there.
	But luckily, they used a middleman, some kind of escrow service, I think, and they got the money back.
	Usually, what works with getting artists, because I have a friend that does this for a living, he will have the manager connect with him and then do a FaceTime call with the artist.
	That's smart.
	So it's confirmed.
	At least we did a FaceTime call and he records it.
	Oh, okay.
	So that's documented.
	But here's the thing.
	He was doing this in 2012.
	Before social media.
	And he was a kid, too.
	He was a kid.
	I had no event insurance.
	Like, I never had event insurance.
	I didn't know any of this stuff, you know?
	The contracts.
	Yeah, and I was just signing contracts with management companies.
	Imagine, bro.
	That's hard, bro.
	No Instagram.
	Because, like, Instagram was kind of...
	Like, people didn't use it like that.
	Oh, you're using Facebook to do all this?
	We did event pages.
	Facebook event pages.
	Back then, if a thousand people said they were coming to your event, you knew a thousand people were showing up.
	Now it's just spam, you know?
	It's not the same.
	Instagram was just beginning.
	Snapchat was just beginning.
	No TikTok.
	Vine I used for like a couple months before I went to prison.
	But that was it.
	TikTok was new to me when I got out of prison.
	That and smart TVs.
	Shit, okay.
	So imagine now you got Jack Doherty paying Lil Baby 200k to show up to a party.
	And because he has the fame and the notoriety, it's like, I'm paying the money up front, come through.
	He's coming through.
	Yeah.
	No, I mean, that's interesting.
	Because there was a video clip of him bringing a bag of money to him.
	I don't know if that was for sure or what.
	Because you said that they need to give at least 50% up front.
	Up front.
	Maybe it was the second half.
	Because you know what happens, bro?
	A lot of times they get, like, scammed themselves.
	It's like a two-way street.
	Either the rappers are getting scammed because the person doesn't pay them at the end of the night, and then they obviously want to get paid, or the promoters are getting scammed because they never show up.
	I was going to say, promoters probably get scammed way more.
	Yeah, because they say, oh, he's going to be here at this date and time.
	Never shows up.
	Dude, if you search Chief Keef on Google, he scams so many promoters.
	Yo!
	Or his manager, someone has.
	I know he scammed me.
	Or his promotion team did.
	Because I never got the show.
	We literally sold 2,000 tickets.
	And we got a phone call from management saying he missed his first flight.
	He'll be there later.
	That too.
	You know what rappers do most of the time?
	They'll say they missed their flight on purpose so that they can't make it.
	And then you'd pay them half the money up front so it's like, oh bro, you know, I missed my flight.
	I can't help myself.
	And this is 2012.
	This is when Chief Keeble was blowing up everywhere.
	Yeah, he was a 25 grand guarantee.
	I paid him 15 up front and then I would have 10 cash.
	But also you got to realize like some of these deals, like I remember little Yachty, little Uzi, like we were getting offered them for like 25 grand.
	If they sign on for that and then they blow up the next day and they're getting 100 or 200, they still have to perform for that 25.
	So in their eyes, they don't really want to do it.
	They don't care about a kid.
	Oh, did you book him before I Don't Like Blow Up?
	He was like blowing up right at the same time, so that could have been a reason too.
	But they're like, fuck this white dude in Connecticut that has money that's paying, you know?
	They don't care about that.
	So it's funny, because I was actually shocked when you said you got him for 25k.
	Like 2012, Kanye had just like kind of done the I Don't Like remix.
	So he was starting to blow up.
	So you probably got him like right before.
	I paid 40 for Tyga.
	This was right before I started dating Kylie Jenner.
	Shout out to him, man.
	Legendary.
	No, but did he show at least?
	Yeah, he did, buddy.
	He wouldn't take pictures.
	Very short in person.
	You pay the guy that much money, and his rider was ridiculous.
	I booked him in YG. Rider was ridiculous.
	Like, you know those champagne bottles that are like $1,500 or whatever?
	You had to get like five of those and sort the Skittles out.
	It's nuts.
	Was his security there, Jerome, the big guy?
	I don't remember.
	There was a bunch of black guys guarding him.
	It foreshadowed prison, I'll tell you that.
	He's that guy.
	My boy Jerome does.
	We went in Vegas.
	He's cool.
	Okay, so Wiz Khalifa.
	Sorry, you were telling that story.
	Yeah, so the Wiz Khalifa show doesn't happen.
	Half the investors stay in.
	I have like 60 grand to play with.
	Book a string of shows.
	Like Rusko, Grizzly, Mike Studd, a bunch of lower-name people, Huey Mac, and they all tank.
	Not enough promotion, everyone.
	Did they at least all show?
	They all showed.
	One concert got canceled because of a snowstorm, but they all showed.
	By that point, my reputation was better in the concert industry.
	So once you do your first couple shows and you get a rep, they're not going to burn you.
	That's like if an artist burned Live Nation.
	And obviously that's a way different scenario, but it's that similar concept.
	I wasn't the new kid on the block anymore.
	Gotcha.
	And obviously, were you holding any shows in Southern Connecticut like Danbury?
	New Haven, Toad's Place.
	You know Toad's Place, yeah.
	And then University of Rhode Island's College Arena.
	We would rent out a lot for shows.
	For the audience, Toad's Place is a big bar in New Haven.
	Huge Yale hangout.
	Yeah.
	Who goes to Connecticut anyway?
	A lot of people.
	Well, see, it's weird.
	So Danbury worked out perfect because you get a guy playing Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun or Boston and then Madison Square Garden the next night.
	So Steve Aoki would play Boston, then go to Connecticut's Shrine Nightclub, and then he would come to me on an off night, you know, get an extra 50 grand, and then he would go to Madison Square Garden and get his full date.
	It's like a circuit, basically.
	That's why.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	They fly into Rhode Island.
	Boston's here.
	Boston's up here.
	And then you go down into Connecticut because you have to go through Connecticut to get to New York.
	So Boston then drives south into the Mohegan, the casinos.
	Then he drives west towards Danbury, hit Danbury.
	And then the New York border is right there.
	Drives into New York and then down south into New York City.
	Because for a rapper, imagine your lifespan as a rapper can be short or quick, but tours and, for example, shows are everlasting.
	And remember, New England, like I said before, you can be anywhere in New England within two to three hours.
	You could literally be in any other state.
	That's where they make their money, too, from the touring.
	Yeah, of course.
	It's not music, it's the touring.
	You saw that TIA doesn't want to do any more shows anymore?
	I saw that, yeah.
	And I'm like, bro, he must have won that lawsuit because, bro, I mean, that's free money.
	Yeah, then he don't care.
	Well, he's not popular like that musically anymore anyway.
	You know what I mean?
	He isn't, but he gets booked for Eleven all the time, bro.
	Yeah, but bro, that's fucking...
	Come on, man.
	Eleven sucks.
	You know, I've never been to Eleven.
	What?
	Never, yeah.
	Let's go.
	Or Fountain Blue, none of those places.
	No, you go.
	You take him.
	I can't go.
	You're bad from 11?
	Bro, I'm bad everywhere, bro.
	What?
	I tried to intervene?
	Bro, this nigga, bro.
	Just got bad off Instagram today.
	Like, bro, I'm bad everywhere, man.
	Holy cow, man.
	Damn, man.
	That's funny.
	It's what it is, bro.
	It's funny.
	You get banned on the internet, but real life is crazy.
	That's crazy, man.
	So Wiz does a show, but you get all these other people.
	So how much are you in the hole now at this point after that string of shows and the Wiz Khalifa?
	I was about give or take, because you don't lose everything on a concert.
	You get some money back.
	So give or take, I was like 50 grand in the hole after everything, which was a lot for a 17 year old kid, you know, who's I was also working a job.
	I've always been a hustler.
	I was working at a corporate center, booking proms and stuff.
	And I was 50 grand in debt.
	So my business partner at the time, this would later be my co-defendant that would testify at trial.
	He comes to me and says, hey, do you want to make a bunch of money quick?
	And he brings me Beats by Dre.
	And he said he was selling these.
	He was getting them for $50 and selling them for $400.
	And at the time, I didn't know they were fake.
	We would later find out they're fake.
	But these things are brand new in the box.
	They look legit.
	But later on, if you registered it on beatsbydre.com, it would say this barcode doesn't exist or serial number.
	But he said they were off the truck, like stolen or damaged or whatever.
	So as a kid, I'm thinking, okay, you get them for $50.
	You're selling them for $400, maybe a little cheaper on Amazon or eBay.
	That's...
	100, 200, 300, 400% return.
	Let me take loans from people and promise them a 50% rate of return.
	So say I went to you and I said, hey, you want to invest in my Beats by Dre business?
	Give me five grand.
	I'm going to give you $7,500 back in 30 days.
	In my mind, I'm thinking that's a fair return because we're making quadruple that.
	But we took those money, that investment in, and found out the product was fake.
	So now you're sitting on all this fake product and you owe 50% rate of return in 30 days.
	So he tells you about this thing, and I remember Beats by Dre had just come out, so it wasn't regulated yet like that.
	When did you find out that they were counterfeit?
	Like three months later and after we raised $600,000 in investment money.
	Oh.
	How'd you find out?
	People coming to me about the serial numbers.
	Okay, that's how you found out originally?
	One guy came.
	I guess there was a way to tell, like, there was a click in one of the ears, but these things were bulletproof.
	Like, they looked legit.
	They were sealed.
	Did anyone sue you?
	I guess I could have, but I never made it that far.
	I'd heard of guys, like, with Bose headphones and stuff, but we never got that far.
	You know, this was like a couple month thing.
	But what the real trigger was all the Amazon accounts kept getting shut down for fraud.
	And this is when Amazon was like first allowing you to sell shit and like the seller account.
	So we would have like 20 iPhones with a new Amazon account and everyone's reporting fraud that the items are fraud.
	So they all got blocked and shut down.
	So, just so I understand this thing here.
	So, you're 50K in the debt with the event planning and the concerts.
	Then this Beats by Dre thing comes along.
	You're able to raise, within three months, 600K of investor money.
	Had you already started paying back dividends at that point after the first and second month?
	Yeah, so basically what I was doing was I was looking at...
	I went to a lawyer and I said, hey, this is my plan.
	I want to take loans from people, not investments.
	I want to take loans because I was 18 now and I didn't have any credit.
	So I'm like, well, if you can borrow from one, say, bank to pay off another bank, can I do that with people?
	And he said, yes.
	So I would borrow from one person, put it into this pot.
	No accounting.
	Nothing would be our business bank account.
	And we called ourselves an investment company.
	And I was paying off old people's returns until we could generate some money.
	I'm thinking that's a business, and legit, little do I know it's a Ponzi scheme when you're taking...
	Money made up in the house.
	Yeah, well, that's what they call it.
	Network marketing.
	Network marketing.
	101.
	Wait, hold on, hold on.
	Are you borrowing from, like, your people?
	What do you mean, my people?
	You know, like...
	Like Jewish?
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm happy.
	Yeah, my dad's had the family Jewish.
	See, it's a face card, because, nigga, I'm in the hood.
	I can't do that shit.
	Let me get some money, nigga.
	Nigga, I'm broke.
	What the fuck?
	He's saying that people are so...
	Like, are you borrowing from your investors that invested with you?
	I'm borrowing from everyone, yeah.
	I raised $600,000 at 18, you know?
	That's crazy, though, bro.
	Yeah.
	Because look at it from his point of view.
	He's young, has business ideas, but no actual...
	These are friends and family, I'm assuming, right?
	Friends and family, people in sororities would tell their parents, because you've got to remember, the basis of this is I was so successful in high school, and I start this new business, electronics, everyone gets paid back from the concerts, no one knows they lost, they're successful on paper.
	You're eating all the deficits.
	They're thinking I'm like the next, you know, like Mark Zuckerberg in that town, you know, like that they want to invest in it, and they're eating into it.
	I didn't know parents were technically taking advantage of giving, say, 50k to a kid, and give me 75k back in 30 days.
	Also, your status is up there where they trust you off of your face.
	Yeah, I mean I have like a likable personality and people like me.
	You're a nice guy.
	Yeah, I was like, I was just a good, like a good person, but I never set out to defraud from anyone, you know?
	And that's what, that's why I went to trial ultimately because that wasn't my attention.
	Gotcha.
	So, alright, so now you got the Beats by Dre thing going on.
	You find out three months later, they're counterfeit after a bunch of Amazon accounts get shut down and complaints from people saying, hey, I can't register my product.
	At that point you had taken about 600k worth of investment money to buy these beads, procure them, and then give them a return.
	And I'm assuming within this three months you had been paying people back and people continue to give you money.
	What do you do at that point?
	So what happens is out of that 600k, you know, like 10 or 15k went into product before we found out it was fake.
	But the issue became I kept borrowing on...
	Borrowing more money on the pretense of the electronics, and then people thought they were making money from the electronics.
	But the other money, I think I spent like a hundred grand between dinners, trips, clothing, and jet skis were like the biggest thing.
	Because we're thinking like, okay, we need to pay ourselves a salary.
	That's our salary.
	But then the rest of the money went into I bought my first nightclub when I was 18.
	I put a hundred grand into that.
	Bunch of contractors.
	Tuxedos, right?
	Yeah, there was a front room with tuxedos.
	We called it Sky Bar.
	I actually got sued by Sky Vodka because I did SKYY, and they sued me for copyright infringement.
	Really?
	Yeah, I got sued.
	I got plastered, and my lawyer didn't respond.
	They were going to pay me to change the branding.
	They were going to give me like 20 racks.
	And my lawyer responded like two days late, so they're like, fuck it, we're going to trial, and I got no money.
	So that was one thing.
	Every contractor, I'd have contractors walking off the street saying, hey, you know, you want us to paint the place for five grand?
	I would do it.
	Little did I know that was like five times the price of what it should have cost.
	So I'm getting scam left and right with that.
	I invest in like a shoe business, a website, and then I put like 300 grand into concerts.
	Those are the ones with Chief Keef, Tyga, Ace Hood, Kid Ink, a bunch of shows for, you know, that fall of 2013.
	Let me ask you this.
	So when it comes to like business and being that young, do you regret not knowing the business itself before getting into it?
	Because I feel like some people find a mentor first, then they get into it, but you just put into it head first strong and you made hella mistakes.
	Was that like a learning curve for you as well?
	Yeah, I mean, here's the thing.
	I was a great marketer.
	Like, I can hit the ground running.
	I can market.
	That's what makes me good at what I do now.
	I wasn't a businessman.
	I don't like the business aspect, you know?
	That's why I'm not in real estate or anything.
	Like, I would rather, what I should have done is given that money to someone that was into business, invested it, right?
	I mean, imagine if I spent $600,000 on properties.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Or even someone said, buy Bitcoin at the time.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know?
	Like, there was, Bitcoin was like a couple hundred bucks at the time, you know?
	Yeah, I did, yeah.
	There were so many things I could have done or leverage that money with a bank and get a line of credit or something.
	I didn't do any of that.
	But you felt, I guess, a duty to your investors because you're 50k in the hole with the Wiz Khalifa thing and you borrowed all this money for the Beats stuff.
	I'm assuming at this point you probably paid back all your Wiz Khalifa investors and now you're paying back your Beats people at this three months.
	So you find out that they're fake after the Amazon stuff.
	What was your reaction?
	Did you yell at your partner for bringing you into this because you went off of him?
	What'd you do?
	I was pissed, but I think I would have fixed the situation if I didn't have the concerts.
	But in my mind, okay, you have all of these concerts booked with the biggest people in the world.
	They're going to make the money back before anyone finds out.
	Okay, so you're still doing the concert stuff on top of the beat stuff still.
	Yeah, I put about 300 grand into concerts for the fall.
	This is the second string of concerts.
	Now I'm 18, this is the fall of 2013.
	This is like my last hurrah.
	Because if all these concerts on a 300 grand concert investment, you're grossing maybe like close to 2 million.
	So, you know, then you have your other money that you kind of leveraged out with the back end of artists.
	So say after a 2 million dollar gross, if everything sells out, you're making like 1.4 million profit.
	Minus 50% to the investors.
	You can pay that 300k back, no problem.
	Plus another 300 for your post announcement expenses, like paying the artists a day of, things like that.
	See, I was going to say, so what was making you more money at this point?
	Was it the concerts or was it the beat stuff?
	It seems like you were doing both at the same time.
	None of it was making money.
	All of our accounts got shut down.
	We bought 10 or 15 grand of product with that first investment, and Amazon shut down everything.
	That's like you getting banned on YouTube.
	We're demonetized on that.
	Amazon.
	Look at your mindset at that point, because you're still young, doing all this bullshit of failures, money not coming in.
	What do you do at that point?
	How do you feel?
	I'm one of those people that never gives up.
	I'm going to find a way, figure it out.
	I just do whatever.
	Even starting the podcast, I drove Uber and did OnlyFans before I made money on the podcast.
	Yeah, I did OnlyFans.
	You did what?
	I did OnlyFans, yeah.
	Wait, what did you do on there?
	Dude, I fucking sling pictures out there to men, to make money, you know?
	I did what I had to do.
	I made 10 grand.
	Bro, you are definitely Jewish, bro.
	I made 10 grand, bro.
	You are definitely Jewish.
	Yeah, bro.
	That's crazy, yeah.
	I'm a hustler, man.
	I'll do what I gotta do, bro.
	You don't ever give up.
	Never, bro.
	I'm gonna find a way.
	And I remember those first few months of doing the podcast, making no money.
	TikTok was still under the old creator program, and I was hustling.
	You did everything.
	I did everything.
	When I got out of prison, I worked at Whole Foods from 6 a.m.
	to 2.30, and then worked a pizza restaurant from 2.30 to 10 p.m., and then I did it all again.
	See, I'll do what I gotta do.
	Never give up.
	Dude, if I was doing OnlyFans right now, I still have men in my DMs from last year that will say, hey, are you still selling pictures or this and that?
	And I don't respond to them, obviously.
	In another life, I would do it too, but I just feel like...
	You make a lot of money.
	It's already for BBC Gang.
	They're not ready.
	This is actually pretty common with P-stars that are dudes.
	They make a lot of money off of dudes.
	G for P. But the problem is the guys want you to go hook up with other men and stuff, and I'm not gay, so I'm not doing that.
	It was hard enough to sex them on the fucking messenger, because that's where you make your money.
	You make your money messaging it.
	It's so funny, because people think you make money off the videos per se.
	Yes, but what you make money off is texting back and forth, because they want that connection to the person they're paying to.
	That's why girls do free memberships.
	Or they'll do 50% off.
	I made all of my money really from the two things.
	One, if you're famous, you can kind of make money from the intrigue, people want to subscribe.
	But that's short-term money.
	The next main money is, you know, interacting, people asking for certain things.
	This is probably the gayest question you ever got, bro.
	Probably one of the gayest, but what's the gayest thing that you did?
	The gayest thing that you ever did?
	I mean, I didn't even think about it like that because you're doing the content like off camera, you know?
	So like if you're jerking off or like doing whatever, like you got to imagine it's a girl.
	Like you're sexting like your girlfriend or like I would never do that to a man.
	I can't do that, you know?
	Like if I'm sitting there with a girl, I'm thinking like sometimes I would text a girl or if someone I was hooking up with or whoever, you're just getting that conversation going or you watch porn or whatever you got to do.
	So there's a means to an end.
	That's it.
	Dude, I was trying to put food on the table.
	I was literally trying to pay by rent, okay?
	Okay.
	I wouldn't do it today.
	But it's part of the grind.
	You made it work, bro.
	You made it work.
	Yeah, I think it's part of the story, you know?
	But this was after you got out of jail, right?
	This was after.
	Yeah, yeah.
	This was last year.
	Come on, freshman, fast forward to it.
	Come on, you're so excited.
	You're my OnlyFans.
	Goddammit!
	It just didn't make sense!
	I'm trying to cover the criminal shit!
	It just didn't make sense!
	Come on, man!
	All right, all right.
	This guy.
	Go ahead.
	All right.
	I'm getting lit up right now in the comments.
	It's funny, though.
	It is funny.
	It is funny.
	Stereotypes.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It's too much.
	Okay, sorry, sorry.
	I'll tell you this, bro.
	Me being black, bro, you know what I like?
	What?
	Fried chicken.
	I don't know how many male creators are comfortable saying that online.
	Hey, bro.
	Hey, bro.
	Hey, hey.
	Be honest, bro.
	I gave you guys something right there.
	I didn't even know that.
	I was like, wait, what do you know?
	I know.
	Thanks to you.
	Everyone knows.
	Yeah.
	I just gave you guys.
	Look at your streams just went way up after that conversation.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	So, okay.
	So, going back to the scheme.
	Yeah.
	Because I actually am interested in the scheme and how you did it.
	Federal agent right here.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's like, tell me how you did it.
	Did we change you for wires?
	He's asking about the OnlyFans.
	I'm trying to figure out the scheme.
	He's having to do this crime, brother.
	Yeah, like, uh...
	He's like, did you pay taxes on that OnlyFans money?
	And yes, I did.
	I claimed it on my taxes for last year.
	Oh, shit.
	So, well, that was a good lie.
	So you're there, you got the concert money, the beats money, but at this point you're in the hole, and then you find out that it's fake.
	And you're like, okay, well, we're still making money.
	I'm gonna pay back the investors from both, but you're not profitable at this point, right?
	I never made any money.
	Nothing.
	The only time I made money was high school Ian promoting club nights and then podcast Ian, aside from my normal job.
	Oh, so you were in the red the whole time.
	Never made money, bro.
	Never.
	You were doing this beats and concert shit.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	So you're doing this scheme for how long before the feds catch on?
	Dude, it was only like six months.
	I raised all the money in July 2013.
	I got 600k in the bank.
	December 2013, all the concerts are done.
	And they were all going to make money on paper.
	All of these things.
	But then you have Chief Keef.
	In the rap game, I'm sure you know, people will pay to open.
	So I have like 20 grand in opener money for Kid Ink.
	The guy that was supposed to collect the money never collected the money from the rappers.
	So they all performed.
	Kid Ink is back in the day.
	Yeah, we did three shows with him.
	But the problem with Kid Ink is like he's huge musically, but no one knows the name for touring.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, it's one of those guys where like huge, but they don't know it.
	Almost like an underground fan base that's huge.
	Big in Europe.
	But you say in public is like, who?
	Yeah.
	So that was very interesting.
	But then, so everything gets lost and one of the investors, it was never the adults that went to the police, it was the kids.
	Because from a kid's perspective, if you invested five grand, in your mind you're like, okay, I kept rolling it over, he owes me 50 grand.
	A lot of that's imaginary money because you keep flipping it.
	So they go to the police.
	They think they lost their life savings.
	They're set for life.
	The police are like, wow, all these people are owed all this money.
	Is this the Beat stuff or is it the- Everything.
	The concert stuff.
	Yeah, it's just the whole company.
	So both parties are going to the cops now complaining.
	Exactly, because they all got mushed together.
	So they're going to the cops.
	They bring it to the state's attorney's office.
	Because you've got discovery, so you see all this.
	Yeah, they said- This is a nerdy question.
	Who opened the investigation first?
	Danbury PD? Danbury PD. They thought it was the biggest case of their life because you got to remember at the news, local news is teen nightclub owner, super successful.
	They named me top 10 most fascinating people in Connecticut.
	This and that.
	They did all of these things.
	Sensational.
	Yeah, they thought I was the Jordan Belfort kind of that town.
	They're thinking, you know?
	The Wolf of Danbury.
	They call me the Wolf of Ives Street because that was where the club was.
	So I found out later on the state's attorney declined to prosecute.
	And had it been a state case, I never went to prison.
	I would have ordered restitution, you know, got the case expunged after because it was my first time offense, this and that.
	Instead, someone has connections.
	They push it all the way up.
	And I think it was packaged to the feds as being bigger than it was.
	I think they thought it was in the millions.
	See, you messed with the wrong people.
	Yeah, I did.
	Your people.
	So these complaints come in.
	Danbury PD opens the case.
	State prosecutor declines it.
	Which is actually interesting that the state prosecutor declines it and then the feds take it and stormy the other way around.
	So what made the feds take the case?
	I don't know, man.
	To this day, my lawyer says they thought it was more money than what it was.
	And they also thought they would plead me out.
	Behind closed doors.
	They never expected to indict.
	They just expected to plea deal, boom, boom, prison, that's it.
	But they wanted prison, and I wasn't signing on for that.
	So, state declines, feds take it.
	Can you explain to the audience who the lead agency was and who else was involved?
	So what happens is, after I'm going through, I'm meeting with the state, I have a lawyer and everything.
	My lawyer ends up dropping me because he sends me...
	What month is this right now?
	This is beginning of 2014.
	I'm not even 19, I'm 18.
	Wow.
	State's investigating.
	We're just thinking it's not going anywhere.
	How did you get your first police interaction?
	Did a detective show up at your house?
	They called my attorney, who was a personal injury attorney, which is where I went wrong, too.
	I should have got a criminal defense attorney.
	And he would end up dropping me because he sent me a bill.
	He was billing me $400 an hour, but he was my dad's friend.
	And I didn't know.
	I had no money.
	So I get a subpoena to the Department of Banking, and I didn't know what that was.
	But I'm thinking in my mind, this is my way to clear my name.
	So I go, I bring all the documents, I lay out everything, I do the books for the company for the first time, every name, number, address, transaction, and I go to them and I testify for like five hours.
	Okay, who's there?
	You're sitting there.
	You're with your attorney.
	Who's there?
	Obviously, the prosecutor's there.
	Was it detectives from Danbury PD, state police?
	Who was there?
	No, it was just two Department of Banking people, which aren't technically agents.
	They're like civilians, and a court reporter.
	So I'm thinking, this is a great time to clear my name.
	After, like, the five hours, they say, hey, there's two people that want to see you.
	They put me in another room, I'm twiddling my thumbs there for a half hour, and in walk two classic movie theater-type people, movie theater, or movie-type guys, you know, the old suits.
	They come in, flash their badges, and they say they're postal inspectors.
	And I almost laughed out loud because I'm like, who the fuck is a postal inspector?
	I'm like, these guys are fake agents.
	They sit down and then they asked me very targeted questions.
	I had no idea at the time they listened to everything I said during that interview.
	They were listening in.
	So he was back against you.
	Exactly.
	So they asked me questions so they could charge me with lying to investigators and I ended up winning that at trial because they didn't give me the target letter until after the interview.
	So just for the audience, let me explain it to them real quick.
	So guys, there's an agency called the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, right?
	They have something called Postal Inspectors.
	Same thing as a special agent.
	They're typically...
	I think they're 1811s as well.
	They investigate any type of crime that has to do with the mail or using the mailing system.
	So obviously, anything that touches...
	The U.S. Federal Mail, they get Nexus.
	So, since I'm assuming, were you like sending letters out or using, oh no, you were sending wires, right?
	They didn't know.
	They thought it was mail fraud.
	Like on my initial target letter, it says mail fraud.
	Okay.
	But they stayed on because they were the lead case agent at the time.
	So, they transferred to wire fraud.
	But typically, they wouldn't do a wire fraud case.
	Yeah, they normally wouldn't.
	So, unless it hits Nexus with the mail.
	So, okay.
	So, now it's making sense to me.
	What was it called again?
	Department of Banking.
	So this is what they did.
	They used them, administrative subpoena power, bring him in, ask him questions under oath.
	We can listen in as investigators.
	We don't have to give him his Miranda rights.
	Let him say everything.
	We can use that.
	Now we bring him and we ask him the harder questions.
	Did they Mirandaize you?
	No, nothing.
	That's another reason.
	And the jury is very sympathetic to people that are not giving their Miranda rights or target letters or no.
	Fucking amateurs.
	Was the door open?
	Did they tell you you could leave?
	No, the door was closed.
	Nothing.
	They literally just sat down and literally just said, hey, we have some questions.
	And I didn't know what a postal agent was.
	You know, I didn't know anything.
	I didn't have an attorney.
	They didn't say, hey, you should have an attorney here.
	And they acted like my friends.
	They gave me their business card.
	They were texting me.
	And as soon as I got out of that meeting- Did you see their guns?
	No, nothing.
	I didn't know.
	I didn't know what I was- You didn't know they were law enforcement.
	Yeah, you had no idea they were law enforcement.
	I just was there to clear my name.
	Yeah.
	I built their case for them.
	Like, I literally gave them everything.
	So, let's say you're in his position.
	What do you do?
	What should you do?
	Well, I'm glad that they basically threw out that interview that they did with you, right?
	They didn't throw it out.
	I went to trial.
	I won.
	Okay, that makes sense, because that charge didn't stick.
	Because the thing is, that's amateur hour by these guys.
	If you're going to bring someone in for questions, and you're going to question about a crime, and the door's closed, and they don't feel like they can leave, you have to read them their rights.
	So that's why they fucked up, is they didn't read them his rights.
	Miranda rights.
	Yeah.
	I like those rights.
	Yeah, I know you do.
	So, okay, so they bring you in, you testify, then on top of that, they do an interview with you.
	At this point, and you don't know their law enforcement.
	So you're thinking, oh yeah, everything's great.
	I'm clear, right?
	They acted like they were going to help me.
	They said, listen, you're not going to get arrested.
	Nothing like this.
	You know, we're just here to help.
	You know, let's get everyone their money back.
	Yada, yada.
	And then when I contacted a criminal defense attorney, he said, block their numbers.
	Don't talk to them.
	And that's when the game was on.
	And he dealt, I never talked to them again until the day they arrested me in the car.
	And then we were having like a casual conversation, like what me and you were talking about.
	Yeah.
	A lot of these agents, you know, after the job's done, they're very chill, you know?
	They're not like the enemy, you know?
	They're cool guys.
	So, this happens beginning of 2014.
	They bring you in, you do this interview, etc.
	Was it taped?
	No, it wasn't taped.
	It might have been recorded.
	I don't know.
	They had a transcript, but that was like the agent notes, you know?
	I don't know what the situation was.
	Well, back then, feds didn't have to record interviews, so that could...
	Because I remember 2015, a lot of United States Attorney's offices passed a thing where, hey, you need to record all your interviews, but this is 2014.
	At your prior job, would you ever cross paths with him at all for this type of crime?
	Yeah, wire fraud, yeah.
	Yeah, something like this, yeah.
	Take us back to the day of your arrest.
	What were you doing?
	Were you thinking, like, oh, I'm just going to go to the store and get some food or whatever?
	And were you nervous?
	Were you freaking out because you're like, oh, shit.
	He's going to the store and get some food.
	He's watching too much TV. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm assuming at this point, since you contacted the defense attorney, you're probably nervous now.
	You're like, oh shit, these guys are not my friends.
	Well, I realized that, and also I was running the club at the time.
	I now own Tuxedos, opened it back up, so while the case is going on, I'm booking these big acts and doing these things.
	Were you still doing the Beats scheme?
	No, that's long gone.
	Okay.
	And what happens is I was getting back from the casino because in Connecticut, you had to be 21 to gamble.
	So I was going out of state to Yonkers Raceway and Yonkers to gamble.
	I would play Baccarat and pay 500 bucks and turn it into 20 grand.
	Right over the border from Danbury.
	It's not far.
	It's like 40 minutes.
	It's like he goes into New York, then he drives south.
	How much did you lose versus how much you won gambling?
	I won more than I lost.
	Yeah.
	But it's luck, man.
	There's no thing.
	I'm not going to say I'm a professional gambler or there's a trick.
	I was playing on a machine.
	Got it.
	You know, and I was just looking at the pattern.
	So if it was always player, I would just kept doubling down.
	So I come back.
	I had lost that particular night.
	I get back at like 4 a.m.
	I go to sleep.
	I'm in just like my boxers.
	And keep in mind, I'm very like chunky.
	You know, I got like blonde highlights in my hair.
	I look like a chipmunk a little bit.
	I got my...
	My cartilage pierced or whatever, the industrial piercings.
	What day and month was this?
	This is like January 9th.
	It's cold out, it's snowing.
	Okay.
	And I wake up to like a loud banging at the door.
	And this is my parents' house.
	And I'm in the front room.
	Real quick, before you go into this, how long was it between you being interviewed by postal inspectors to you getting arrested?
	April 2014 was the meeting.
	January 2015 was the indictment.
	Okay.
	So what is that, like eight months or whatever.
	Okay.
	So, I'm sitting there, and I look out my window, and I see it's snowing, and the lights are on in the front porch, and there's cars lined up and down the street with the flashing lights.
	You have state troopers, you have FBI agents that are marked, or, like, the cars.
	You have local police, and then you have, like, the Escalades, the typical, like, you know...
	FBI type car.
	And it's five in the morning now you see this?
	It's like five or six, you know, it's very early.
	And I'm looking out the windows and there's guys armed like in tactical vests outside.
	My mom, the staircase is right above my room.
	So my mom runs down, she's opening the door and they barge in as soon as she opens it and they're like step Step back.
	Step back.
	Hold the dog.
	Where is he?
	And I, like, freeze.
	I'm sitting on my bed in literally just boxers, and they barge into my room, and I'm thinking I had been getting arrested for selling alcohol illegally at the club because we didn't have a liquor license.
	And I'm thinking it's another one of those because my lawyer had said, hey, the feds will let you turn yourself in when it comes down to an indictment because we were in communication with them.
	We were cooperating to that extent.
	Oh, so you knew you were going to get indicted now at this point.
	Yeah, we knew when the grand jury hearings were happening.
	No one doesn't know when they're going to get indicted by the feds.
	It's not a surprise.
	Well, a lot of times it is.
	So you knew after that interview with Postal Inspection, you lawyer up.
	And your lawyer stayed in contact with them?
	We went to a meeting with the prosecutor, the AUSA, a reverse proffer, where they sit down, tell you everything they have against you.
	Now, a proffer...
	When was this?
	This was July, 2014.
	Okay, so April of the age of stock to you, just so I get a timeline here.
	2013.
	April of the age of stock to you, and you do that testimony.
	Yep.
	July, you come in to the United States Attorney's Office, you speak, there's FBI agents there, the prosecutor, and they tell you what they have, and they give you a target letter like, hey, you're the subject of a criminal investigation.
	Fast forward to January, you're getting indicted, and you're like, what the fuck?
	Like, I had been talking with you guys.
	We thought we were going to self-surrender, because the grand jury proceedings were in October.
	Prosecutor emails my lawyer and says, hey, we're not going to indict until next year.
	Have a good holiday season, because they go away.
	Yeah, we knew.
	We were in the know.
	So I thought I'm getting charged on another state case.
	Wasn't true.
	They didn't want to give you an information?
	Nothing.
	Feds come in.
	They arrest me.
	They ask for my password on my phone.
	I gave it to them.
	I didn't realize that I didn't have to give it to them.
	Damn.
	I give them the passcode, and they haul me out of the house in handcuffs.
	They make me wear these cowboy boots and baggy jeans.
	The cowboy boots were from the musicals that I was in in high school, and they had no laces on them.
	Oh.
	They don't let me brush my teeth.
	They let me take a piss with my hands cuffed by my back and they drag me out of the house.
	And they keep me outside in the snow and the cold waiting for the lead detective that started the whole case just to come and say, hey, do you remember me?
	Like one of those I gotcha, Wolf of Wall Street type moments.
	The Postal Inspector?
	No, their original detective from Danbury, the lead case agent from the beginning who started the whole thing.
	And he retired like a year or two after.
	So then they bring me to the federal courthouse.
	Okay, he must have been assigned to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service then.
	Yeah, they brought him on, but they had him benched during trial.
	Didn't get to testify.
	He wasn't a part of it.
	The only one sitting at the prosecutor's desk was the lead FBI agent, lead postal inspector, and lead IRS agent.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, because we had CID, Criminal Investigative Division of the IRS that was involved in the case, too.
	So there was those three, and then the main AUSA, and then his assistant, AUSA. There's two prosecutors, court reporters.
	It was a huge ordeal.
	Wow.
	That's wild, bro.
	So that's quite a...
	From my professional experiences listening to that, that's a lot of resources on a fucking kid.
	Two AUSAs, one case agent from three different agencies.
	Wow.
	You should write a book, bro.
	We're working on it.
	I actually just got paired up with Who's the Blonde from iCarly?
	Oh, shit.
	What's her name?
	Jeanette McCurdy.
	Jeanette McCurdy.
	Her agent listens to my podcast and we're working together.
	We're hoping to have a deal in the early next year.
	And I've been on HBO Max.
	They took the documentary down because they merged with Discover.
	But I just filmed something for Discovery Channel for HBO Max.
	And we're doing cool things.
	Vice did something on YouTube that has a bunch of views.
	So there's something there.
	But my focus has just been the podcast.
	Of course, of course.
	And I didn't want to be one of those people that just chased my story.
	So I find it interesting.
	You do the testimony with the banking people.
	Then the postal inspectors ask you questions.
	Then they bring you in to tell you that they got information you're the subject of a criminal investigation.
	Then they assure you that they're not going to indict you until 2015.
	December, this is December, right?
	No, no, no.
	January, 2015.
	Oh, so they did indict you in the new year.
	Yeah.
	Okay, but...
	But I didn't get to turn myself in.
	Yeah, because you thought that you were going to just turn...
	Why did they let you do an information?
	I don't know.
	I think they just wanted the optics, because the news articles came out seconds after they slapped the cuffs on me.
	It was all staged, arranged.
	They had it all figured out.
	It's a sexy case.
	Yeah, it was sensational.
	Just so you guys know, you can be indicted, or you can get hit with something called an information.
	Typically, if they bring you in and give you a reverse profit like they did with him, which isn't common, and they tell you, hey, you're the subject of investigation, they have you fucking, you know, come in and cooperate, they give you an information which means, like, you could turn yourself in.
	Like, it's not a formal indictment of the Gringer, it's like, hey, you're being charged by the AUSA directly, and then you get arrested, and then, or you turn yourself in.
	And that's it.
	But that's interesting that they still decided to indict you and come in.
	I just think they thought I was going to plead out.
	Like, when we were deliberating a trial, they thought the jury would, you know, instantly return a verdict, and they didn't.
	And we were negotiating with the head head, USA, of Connecticut, trying to make a backdoor deal saying, hey, You know, this isn't looking good for you guys.
	Do you want to, you know, we'll plead guilty, no jail time.
	How long were you in jail for?
	I did 27 months out of a three-year sentence.
	But that's after he got convicted.
	So, alright, so you get arrested by the feds that first night in January.
	I go to trial in November.
	I'm on bond.
	I go to trial in November.
	I was going to ask you, were you out on bond the whole time?
	$250,000 bond.
	A lot of people, a misconception is you don't actually put up money in the feds.
	You're just signing for something.
	So my parents signed their house.
	I got out.
	I ran the club doing the shows and whatnot.
	And then I went to trial on November 1st.
	And it was like a month long.
	How long were you locked up before your parents posted bond?
	It was like four hours.
	Oh, okay.
	Wow.
	Same day.
	They got me on like a Monday or Tuesday and I got out very quick.
	My lawyer was there.
	My mom called.
	Saw the judge same day?
	Saw the magistrate judge same day.
	Everything was in and out, but they banned me from social media.
	Which court did you go to?
	The one in New Haven?
	I was supposed to go to Bridgeport, but then the judge was sick that day, so they transferred me to New Haven.
	So I had the magistrate in New Haven, and then I had a federal judge assigned to me in New Haven.
	That's where the trial was.
	When you arrest the guys, you got to be brought in front of a judge within 72 hours, mostly 24 hours.
	So, you're in front of the judge.
	He sets a bond right then and there for you.
	$250k.
	Family signs the house where you're able to go ahead and get out.
	So then you're out on bond and you're waiting like eight months.
	And like, throughout this process, did it ever come to you and you're like, I'm gonna plead guilty?
	Or were like you the whole time like, fuck these guys.
	They arrested me after I said I would turn myself in.
	I'm gonna go to trial.
	No, I was going to trial.
	They even threatened my dad like to arrest my dad for taxes or whatever.
	And my dad was like, Don't worry about me.
	You're going to trial.
	Okay.
	I was going through it no matter what because they wouldn't give me a deal for no jail time.
	I mean, the government spent hundreds of thousands of dollars investigating this over $400,000 in losses.
	Damn.
	And all they had to do was give me a plea deal.
	They still would have got the conviction, but there's no jail time.
	Yeah.
	And they wouldn't give me that.
	You go through this.
	Obviously, it's kind of like you and your business partner that are in this.
	Can you tell us about that?
	Because obviously his name probably came up during interviews, etc.
	People are going to say, like, oh, did you snitch you and blah, blah, blah.
	So can you tell that side?
	I never rat it.
	I mean, his name was John Roble.
	He's on my whole case.
	The cool thing about going to trial is everything's documented.
	That's the best part.
	Like, no one could ever call out my shit for being bullshit because it's all right there.
	If you read the transcripts, everything that happened is right there.
	From artist names to dollar amounts to everything.
	And he testified for like two days and I testified in my own trial.
	Oh, you testified?
	I testified for like three days.
	Holy shit.
	Yeah, the attorney literally said to the judge, objection, this sounds like a cocktail party.
	It was like a high school reunion.
	You got all these high schoolers coming in and testifying.
	It was crazy.
	It was the madhouse for a month.
	And when we were talking before, he didn't decide to testify until like the day before or something, right?
	They gave him like a midnight.
	It was literally like in the movies, one of those midnight deals where, hey, no jail time, probation in the state, misdemeanor, you're testifying.
	Because his case was state.
	Yep, immunity, and that's what he got.
	Why'd they go after you federally, but he got a state case?
	I was a guy in the limelight.
	When you're out there, when you're in their face, when you're the headlines, that's what they do.
	It's a very, very sexy case because he is Ian Bick.
	Yeah, I mean, I was young, you know, I owned the club and they're hyping me up to be this huge, you know, nightclub owner, 18 year old nightclub owner arrested by FBI and IRS. Yeah.
	They loved it.
	Yeah.
	So, okay.
	So they didn't give you a deal, gave him a deal.
	He testifies.
	What was it like when he took the stand and you're just sitting there?
	Dude, it was annoying, man.
	Throughout the whole trial.
	Because you had no clue, right?
	Yeah, and you have people that you knew going into it.
	You're past the note, hey, this person's testifying.
	But, dude, seeing your best friend testify against you and everyone talks about snitches and shit and this and that, that is what burns the most.
	When you're right there and you're fighting for your life and someone does that.
	I guess he didn't look you in that one time, right?
	No, never.
	Not one person that testified looked me in the eye.
	They never do.
	Yeah, my lawyer said just look at them, you know, look at them, try to say hello, interact with them, you know, make it seem like they're the bad people.
	Yeah.
	So he takes a stand and testifies against you.
	Now, that's unique.
	You actually took the stand in your own defense.
	Not typically done unless I've seen like self-defense cases.
	Why did you and your lawyer decide to take the stand?
	He just thought I can handle it, and he just said the biggest thing is you can't get agitated.
	If you get agitated on the stand when the prosecutors...
	Cross-examining you.
	The problem is not him interviewing you, your lawyer, it's when they do the, you know, the cross.
	And that's where everyone fails.
	It's uncomfortable.
	I've been cross-examined before.
	Fucking sucks, man.
	Because they literally make you look like a piece of crap.
	And that was me as an agent.
	I could only imagine as the suspect.
	This is why I'm most...
	Defendants never take the stand.
	So what was like the strategy behind it?
	Was it like to show that you have good character, you're a good kid, let the jury kind of hear your side?
	Like what was the strategy there?
	It was to tell the whole story.
	Like that's why I testified for so long.
	I pieced everything together in my mind, what my mindset is, everything like that, which is why there's a lot of objections because basically I'm telling a story rather than actually giving like testimony and the judge allowed it and it was definitely important for the jury to hear.
	Yeah.
	And you think that made like a big factor in like the amount of time that you got?
	I think going to trial definitely helps because if I took a plea deal for say the three or four years, the judge, he doesn't know me.
	He's going whatever the recommendation, whatever the plea is, you know?
	So it just worked out that it, you know...
	So your testimony humanized you in your opinion?
	I agree.
	And I think that if my business partner didn't testify, I would have won.
	And I did win most of the charges, but the feds will overcharge you.
	They hit me with 15 counts.
	I was going to say, so what were you indicted for versus what did they convict you of?
	Nine counts of wire fraud, three counts of money laundering, and then lying to postal inspectors.
	Did each of those counts come from, I'm assuming, a combination of your Beats business and your promotion business?
	Yeah, and it's based off of transactions.
	So they'll be like, count one, you know, $50,000 wire on this date is wire fraud.
	Yep.
	And the verdict was very messed up because some of them were not guilty.
	And in order to prove wire fraud, one of the counts or one of the aspects of wire fraud is you have to have criminal intent.
	So how could I have no criminal intent in one transaction for the same time period but then criminal intent in another?
	But you can appeal an unorganized or doesn't make sense type of verdict.
	There's no appeal basis for that.
	So you get convicted, you lose.
	When did you actually go to, obviously at that point, did they remand you right there or did you get a little bit of time to turn yourself into Bureau of Prisons?
	How'd that work?
	It's not like the state.
	That's like one of the biggest differences.
	In the state, if you lose a trial nine times out of ten, you're getting remanded right then and there.
	Right then and there, yep.
	Feds, if you have no issues, you're allowed back on bond.
	I was on bond for almost a year because sentencing keeps getting pushed.
	I mean, you look at Donald Trump's case, sentencing gets pushed.
	It's never the date they set it for.
	Yeah.
	You know, so it got pushed.
	We strung it out a year and my bond actually ended up getting revoked a month before sentencing because my friends that worked with me at the club reported that I was going out of state to gamble.
	So I wasn't allowed to go out of state as one of my conditions are released.
	They reported it because they wanted to take the club.
	Judge got pissed, took away my bond, and now I'm sent to a detention center in Rhode Island.
	And I didn't see the light of day for almost three years later.
	Holy shit.
	So...
	So they gave you like kind of a year.
	Well, it didn't mean to be a year, but you got a grace period to kind of get your affairs in order.
	And then you ended up, okay.
	So you go in.
	What was that first night of prison like?
	Dude, it was scary.
	They stuck me with like a heroin addict that was just off the streets.
	Damn!
	And he was like spazzing out like...
	Tearing up his arms.
	I'm on the top bunk because he was there before and you're waiting for like 72 hours for your TB shot and they give you the bag lunch and he's like, are you going to eat that while scratching all over, skins flying everywhere?
	I'm like, dude, I'm not hungry, man.
	I got a bigger shit to worry about.
	Like, have a sandwich.
	And he's trying to say, you can't do this, you can't do that.
	This, that, and I remember, like, that first shower, you know, like, and holding detention center, you have the group showers, and I'm not showering in front of a group of men, so I would, like, wait awkwardly, and I would have, like, my boxers on.
	And you're an 18-year-old kid at this point?
	At this point, I'm 21.
	Okay.
	I just turned 21.
	Oh, yeah, because time had elapsed.
	Yeah, because time had elapsed, and it was just, it was a surreal experience, and I didn't know what I was going up against.
	So there was a guy we saw yesterday in jail.
	He mentioned, fuck food, fuck air.
	All he wanted was ass.
	Did you encounter a booty warrior in jail?
	Like someone that wanted my ass?
	Yeah, a prison guard, man.
	He tried to get my muffins.
	A prison guard?
	Yeah, a prison guard literally tried to fuck me.
	A male prison guard tried to fuck me.
	You want to tell that story?
	Yeah, so it was at the camp.
	I know me and you talked about it, but for the audience.
	Yeah, I don't care.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So it was at a prison camp.
	This was like the last few months of my sentence, and I'm working in the bakery.
	And everyone called me McLovin in prison.
	I got McLovin tatted on me.
	I love it, man.
	And I got like a portrait of McLovin on my thigh the other day.
	That's cute.
	That's funny.
	So anyways, everyone's calling me McLovin and I'm McLovin the baker.
	And me and my bunkmate worked the bakery, ran the bakery.
	And that morning he got, he didn't get woken up, but I got woken up.
	Which show were you at at this point?
	Because they moved you around.
	Oxford Federal Prison Camp in Wisconsin.
	This is just a camp.
	And...
	Were you able to, like, walk around and shit like that?
	It was like a campus?
	Dude, I was the guy that ran through the woods to bring back McDonald's, sushi, pizza.
	Like, I would run through.
	I would escape.
	There's no fence.
	So I was the runner, and I would run through, bring back a knapsack.
	Guys would leave to go hook up with their girlfriends or their wives.
	Dude, everyone has a phone.
	That's why Boost Mobile's in business.
	It's because of federal prison.
	Everyone has a Boost Mobile untraceable phone plan.
	There's no iPhones.
	You're on a Samsung.
	There would be nights I'd be on my bunk watching Orange is the New Black.
	Oh, wow.
	While wearing orange.
	Yeah.
	While wearing orange.
	Damn!
	Power is like the biggest TV show in federal prison.
	Power.
	Yeah, you're familiar with Power?
	Yeah, that's how I've been able to have some of the guests on my show because they're so fascinated that everyone watches Power.
	We'd smuggle in hard drives, like people would put hard drives up their ass to watch Power.
	And let me, for the audience real quick, some of you guys are probably shocked at what he's saying.
	So guys, there's different levels of security in the federal prison system.
	There are ones that are low, especially when you're about to get out.
	You said you had a few months to go, right?
	This is a camp.
	So typically if you're well behaved and you only got a few months to go, they'll put you in a low-security prison where it's damn near a college campus.
	People are walking around, no one's handcuffed, it's open campus.
	I didn't know dudes were running around to get food, but fuck it, the yellow, I guess.
	But they have one, and I know this, they have one in Pensacola that's low like that.
	I remember once I go interview a guy for a case, and he was like walking around, I was like, what the fuck is this?
	Did he meet anyone famous in jail?
	I met a couple people I was with.
	It was either Big Meach or one of the other guys that was on the west side at Fort Dix when I was at the low there.
	Fort Dix?
	Yeah.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	It's called Fort Dix.
	This is too coincidental, bro.
	So let me get it straight.
	You almost got graped by a booty warrior.
	And you gotta hear that story.
	Sorry, finish it.
	Well, so I was with him, and then I was with Joe Giudice from Desperate Housewives, Teresa or whatever, and then I was with George Papadopoulos from Trump's whole thing.
	So anyways, I'm at this camp now, and he calls me to the kitchen that morning at like 4 a.m.
	and not my bunkmate, and the guard tells me, hey, your bunkmate wasn't feeling good, so you didn't come.
	And normally we would get called at different times, like they stagger it by an hour or whatever.
	So I'm in the bakery.
	There's no cameras.
	Standing next to this guy, he's like penis-pencil-shaped, wears like pants all the way up to his chest.
	Smells kind of bad, very skinny, and just weird-looking dude, you know?
	And he's standing next to me, and I'm scooping the muffin mix into the muffin container, his pre-made muffin mix.
	Yeah.
	And I'm standing there and then all of a sudden I feel like a touch on my elbow while I'm scooping the muffin mix.
	And I look to the right and he quickly pulls his hand back.
	So I'm like, maybe I have like a bug on me or some muffin mix or whatever.
	No big deal.
	I'm gonna get back to doing my job.
	Yeah.
	I go back to scooping the muffin mix and then all of a sudden he does it again.
	But this time he's like massaging it.
	He's like McLovin.
	Rubbing it.
	McMuffin.
	Not saying anything.
	He's just breathing heavily.
	Rubbing it.
	Yeah.
	Breathing heavily.
	And that hand goes to my thigh.
	What the fuck?
	Hey, yo, pause, nigga!
	Yo, that's crazy!
	The thigh goes to my ass, and that's when I'm like, I turn around like that, and he pulls his hand back, and I'm like, I gotta go.
	I'm like, I'm done with this shit.
	This is a couple hours in.
	I go back to my cell, and I tell people what happened.
	And they're like, well, you know, maybe it was a one-time thing.
	Like, maybe we can utilize them to get product in or, you know...
	More cell phones or something.
	Yeah, maybe we could do something.
	And everyone was like, well, did you hit them?
	And I was like, no, because there's no cameras.
	Like, it's always their word over mine.
	So that happens.
	Two weeks later, I go into the walk-in freezer.
	That's where they keep, like, the eggs in the fridge.
	And in the freezer, they have the cookies, like, the good stuff.
	And the cream cheese.
	And...
	Normally, these are locked, so the guard would unlock it, stand outside, and maybe go to his office.
	This guy unlocks it, lets me in, and shuts the door behind me.
	Yo!
	Yo!
	Freeze!
	Ayo, pause!
	No, for real though, freeze, pause.
	Get over here!
	So you're in a freezer.
	What do you do at that point?
	Yo, Myron, what do you do?
	No, I think he locked you in by yourself, right?
	No, we're both in.
	Oh, shit.
	Hold on, Myron.
	All right.
	If that was you, what would you do?
	I was hoping it was just hit by himself.
	Listen, if you and a booty warrior in a freezer, what do you do?
	I bet you won't do it.
	I put my hands up when we fightin', man.
	Side of the box, buddy.
	Yo!
	It's literally, bro, it's literally gonna...
	Do or die!
	They're gonna turn into Guile.
	What's up, man?
	What the fuck?
	Damn, dude!
	Okay, cool.
	So me and him are in this, and I go and grab the tray of frozen cookies, and I'm holding this tray as she can.
	So you're playing it off trying to be, like, polite, I guess.
	Yeah, I'm just like, I don't know what's gonna happen.
	So I grab the tray, and I'm trying to walk, like, first I'm standing, like, head-on with this tray.
	And he's, like, standing there, arms crossed like this in front of the door.
	So I'm like, alright.
	And then he goes to open the door, but his body is blocking half of the door.
	So his butt is up against the side of the door.
	So basically, long story short, he forces me to walk out with this tray with my butt rubbing against his dick going out of this thing.
	And that was the final straw.
	That's when I reported him.
	He got removed from the compound and they launched an investigation.
	Did you get arrested?
	No, never got arrested.
	I tried to sue.
	They covered it up.
	But I have the DMs like three, four years later when I started the podcast and I told that story and it went viral.
	A guard from that prison reached out and he said, hey, was this guard so-and-so?
	And I said, yeah, how'd you know?
	And he said, that guy's been accused of doing that multiple times.
	So I don't know where he is now.
	He doesn't work for the system anymore.
	This might sound weird, bro.
	You could answer or don't answer.
	When you were walking past him in the freezer and you were trying to get out the door.
	Was there any feeling or indication of, like, hardness?
	No, bro, I'm not gay.
	No, no, no.
	He's asking if the guy had...
	Oh, it was like kind of quick, you know?
	You're rubbing against, like, I don't know, man.
	It was just a weird situation, you know?
	Yeah, very weird.
	And I think, like, any other inmate would have, like, hit him.
	But I was, like, young, white McLovin, you know?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's obviously an awful experience, but hitting a prison guard is not the way to go.
	So obviously you reported it.
	The guy liked kids though.
	That's what we were getting at.
	There's 200 other men.
	I'm the one that looks the youngest.
	So he didn't harass nobody else.
	This wasn't like a gay thing.
	This was he likes kids.
	I'm a young kid.
	I look young now, so imagine what I look like at 21.
	He was a Pete.
	Yeah, I look like I was 16.
	Fucking weirdo.
	Fucking scumbag.
	So, you get out.
	And we've got a few minutes here because it's 8.47.
	Guys, he's got to go get some food.
	Yes.
	So you get out, right?
	Obviously, you had that terrible ordeal.
	Fuck that guy.
	You get out.
	What's the first thing you did when you got out?
	I thought I was going to go back in the nightclub business.
	Realized I couldn't do that because I had no money.
	When was the day you got released?
	This was January 2019.
	I'm like 24 or 23.
	I got five guys.
	Burgers and fries is my first meal.
	And I was at the halfway house.
	Were you in Wisconsin at this point when you got released?
	Yeah, they flew me back home to New Haven and I went to the Waterbury, Connecticut halfway house.
	Okay.
	And I was under there for a few months and then I went on home confinement, the ankle monitor for a year on probation.
	That was like one of the conditions.
	And I got a job at Whole Foods and I worked there.
	I went from $15 an hour as a hot bar cook to by the time I left three years later, I was going to make over $100K that year.
	At Trader Joe's?
	Whole Foods.
	Oh, Whole Foods.
	I'm sorry.
	That's the ops.
	Trader Joe's is the ops.
	No, and I was a prepared foods team leader.
	I was making like 33 an hour and crushing it in overtime.
	I got an apartment.
	You know, I had a girlfriend at the time.
	I had a dog, a car.
	Where are you living at this point?
	Danbury, Connecticut.
	Yeah, never left Danbury.
	And I rebuilt my life from that.
	But then eventually it's like, you know, when you're an entrepreneur, you get burnt out.
	And in corporate, you can only do so much without them not holding you back.
	Of course.
	So my friend convinced me to start sharing prison stories on TikTok because COVID exploded this whole prison talk and prison YouTube thing.
	YouTube in general exploded, yeah.
	Exactly.
	I missed the ball on that.
	This is a couple years later.
	This is 2022.
	And he convinces me to tell stories about the club and stuff.
	So imagine that, you get locked up, sorry, you get out, and then like a year later, the world shuts down.
	Yeah, and it was kind of cool because half of it was, I was on home confinement, and the whole world was on home confinement.
	Yeah, yeah, with you.
	Yeah.
	Like, feel how I feel now, motherfuckers.
	But had I started telling these prison stories during then, I'd, you know, I would have blown up.
	Did you ever do a collab with 1090 Jake?
	Yeah, I did a show with him.
	He's been on my podcast.
	Shout out to 1099.
	Shout out to him, bro.
	He's a good dude, man.
	Very good dude.
	Yeah, he's a very good dude.
	He came to my studio.
	I flew him out, not first class.
	He's like, hey, you know, if it was anyone else, they're flying me first class.
	And he came on.
	We formed a relationship.
	I picked him up at the airport, and we were just, like, talking.
	Because he went through the state system.
	You went through the federal.
	Yeah, and I get in the door with a lot of these hard guys because they know I went to trial and my paperwork's clean.
	Yeah, you never told.
	Never told.
	You never told.
	And then my fifth TikTok talking about solitary because I was in the shoe for six months went viral.
	1.5 million views in like a few hours.
	And then ever since then, two years ago, I've been posting content every day, turned it into a podcast.
	Tell us your, because we don't have much more time, tell us your favorite prison story and then we'll close out.
	And then from me, just tell us what you've learned and what they can learn from not to do to end up in your position.
	Oh, you want to get motivational?
	Yeah, something for them.
	Whichever one you want to do first, the motivational thing or the story.
	So favorite story, and this is what really blew up the podcast because No Jumper, Worldstar, all these people took up the story.
	When I was at Fort Dix, this is my first designated spot, the lowest security prison.
	And it's ironic they call it Fort Dix because there's all sex offenders there.
	Everyone thought I was a sex offender.
	So the way it works is when you get to a yard, they're supposed to check your paperwork, you run with the crew.
	Everyone thought I was a sex offender and no one came up to me.
	So I'm hustling, I'm moving around, I'm trying to sell cell phones.
	Isn't everyone else a sex offender there too?
	Yeah, and then there's some good guys.
	But all the white guys are really sex offenders.
	And if you say you're there for fraud at 21, no one believes you.
	Because the feds don't really pick up 21-year-old fraud cases.
	That's all white dudes.
	Exactly.
	And a lot of those guys are chomos, sex offenders, that's what they call them.
	So I'm hustling, I'm doing dice, I'm doing all these things, and these guys from Baltimore, because Obama had lowered a bunch of drug sentences, so they were able to come down from a medium or a penitentiary to a low.
	So they see a white kid who looks like a sex offender making moves, hustling, not running with anyone.
	They come up to me one day.
	I mean, prisons typically race.
	It's by cars and the feds.
	Cars, it's like your state.
	Are you in Connecticut?
	Are you in New York?
	Are you in New England?
	They come up to me and they said, hey, we'll be your protection.
	I'm like, oh, I'm good.
	I don't need protection.
	Like, everything's good.
	I haven't been an issue.
	And then they were like, let me holler at you real quick.
	And it's these two jacked, you know, black guys from D.C. And they pull me in the bathroom.
	And there's only one guard for 400 inmates, no cameras, three stories.
	It's an old army barracks.
	It's a low security prison.
	Yeah.
	And they bring me into the bathroom and they're like, listen, this is what you're going to do.
	They give me a number, have your people put, you know, 1,200 bucks a month or whatever, and we'll protect your phone because they knew I had a phone.
	And these are guys that have been down 15, 20 years.
	They don't have a phone.
	They're like, we'll hold it for you, this and that.
	I'm like, guys, no, I'm good.
	Like, we're straight.
	Everything's good.
	And right then and there, one of the guys slaps my glasses right off my face.
	They go over.
	They break.
	They fly across the bathroom.
	And the other guy, like, picks me up and puts me up against the wall.
	And he's like, listen, you don't have a choice here.
	And the other guy then pulls out a steel rod and, like, puts it up against my neck.
	And he's like, listen, you're going to pay us or you're going to get hurt.
	And kind of right after that, you know, I strategized a little bit, and I went up to the biggest dude that, like, ran the New York card, and I said, how much do I have to put on your books to be protected in here, to be good?
	And I paid him, like, 50, 100 bucks a week, and I became, like, his bitch, kinda.
	Like, people were looking at it as, we can't fuck with that dude's hustle he's taken care of.
	And the guys backed off on me, and those guys ended up getting set up Because they were doing too much movement and trying to extort and no one wants heat brought to the building.
	So someone put a phone in their boot under the bed.
	They got taken out to the shoe and brought back to another prison.
	But that whole paying for protection story when I told it, because everyone would say in the comments, my cheeks are still red from that slap from that day, which was pretty funny.
	So you had to go and get, were these, the guys that slapped you from Maryland, were they gang affiliated?
	Were they Bloods, Crips, or any of that?
	I don't know any of that because it didn't really operate gangs.
	It was just like cars.
	Like the D.C. guys run together.
	Those are like the booty bandits of the prison.
	Oh, shit.
	D.C. and Maryland has that booty bandit.
	Did they try you like that too and you're like, no?
	Not at first.
	Okay, they just wanted money.
	Not at first.
	They just wanted money.
	They knew I was a white kid that had money and whose dad took care of him.
	And I had a phone.
	They didn't like that.
	So they set me up.
	Shit.
	So this New York guy, you just paid him, what, $1,500 a week, you said?
	No, I paid him like 50 to 100 bucks a week in commissary.
	Yeah, the other guys won like 1500 bucks.
	And why was this guy like so respected where the Maryland guys didn't want to fuck with you?
	He was big?
	He was with the New York car.
	So the New York car runs that prison.
	Yeah, they're not gonna interfere with that.
	New York outnumbers Maryland and Baltimore 10 to 1 in a prison like that.
	So they couldn't do anything and those guys ended up getting run up out of there.
	Okay, so when you ate lunch, breakfast, dinner, did you sit with them?
	No, I was kind of just like, whatever.
	I sat with my bunkmate and stuff.
	But when I first got there, they made me sit at the sex offender table because I thought I was a sex offender.
	So I was used and abused a lot in prison because of my looks.
	Yeah, because there's not many guys that look like you that are young.
	So, dude, that must have been terrifying being there as a 21-year-old kid.
	It sucked, man.
	It was a bad experience, but it turned out to be the best thing that could ever happen to me.
	So my advice to people would be, sometimes you have to use your most embarrassing, most failure moment in life to your advantage.
	I ran with that.
	I used it.
	I embraced it.
	And my life changed and I became successful the day I started talking about something that the world looks at as your most embarrassing moment.
	No one talks about prison.
	A lot of celebrities that go to prison don't talk about prison.
	And I'm very open and honest and real about it, and that's what I think brought me to a new level in my life, and I have found success from that.
	Good job, bro.
	No, man, I mean, yo, thanks for telling your story, bro.
	And, like, you know, obviously that's not difficult.
	I mean, sorry, that's not easy to share, and I really appreciate it.
	I know you've got to get going.
	Yeah.
	I'll give you the last word, bro, and then we'll close out here.
	And then where can they find you?
	Where can they find you?
	Just ianbick.com.
	You know, Ian Bick on any platform.
	I'm probably one of the only Ian Bick, so it's easy to, like, search and stuff.
	And, you know, we're growing.
	We got a bunch of listeners.
	You know, Mike Tyson sponsors the show now his weed company.
	W! Sweet.
	Yeah, so we're doing cool things.
	Ric Flair's, you know, energy company.
	Woo!
	Yeah, woo!
	Oh, we need Ric Flair on here.
	We do, actually.
	Yeah, Ric Flair would be good.
	He lives in Florida.
	Alright, we'll talk offline.
	Yeah, he lives in Tampa.
	I think I'm interviewing him next month.
	Okay, let's do it.
	And then you guys are welcome to use my studio whenever he saw it.
	It's really cool.
	Yeah, he has a studio up in Connecticut.
	We'll do a part two when I go back and visit my parents.
	Definitely.
	Every time I go up there, I'll do a pod with you.
	Yeah, whatever you guys need, man.
	It's all about helping each other and building in the community and stuff.
	Thank you for coming, bro.
	No, thank you for coming, Ian.
	I really enjoyed it, man.
	Guys, he is Ian Bick.
	Please go check out his YouTube channel, man.
	Check him out everywhere.
	He's on TikTok, he's on YouTube, etc.
	Check out the interview that me and him did if you guys want to get a different perspective.
	I shared some stories I've never shared before on his podcast.
	Thank you so much for coming, guys.
	He's got dinner to catch, so we'll catch you guys back here with some lovely ladies in a bit.
	Peace!
	I ran, I ran so far away I just ran.

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