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Sept. 13, 2024 - Fresh & Fit

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The Most Censored Event In American History: The USS Liberty

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	Thank you.
	And we are live.
	What's up guys?
	Welcome to Refresher Podcast.
	We have a guest on, Phil Turney.
	This is probably going to be one of the most important interviews we've done.
	Let's get into it.
	Let's go.
	What else?
	I'm trying to think.
	What other announcements?
	Any updates on Twitch?
	Not yet.
	Not yet.
	I got my guys talking to the people.
	Cool.
	But I'll find out what it is.
	But it's a suspension on a full band.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Worst case scenario, guys, you guys will see us in seven days on Twitch.
	Well, six days in this case.
	But we're live right now on YouTube and on Rumble.
	Just so you guys know, if you guys are watching this thing on YouTube, fine, no problem.
	But we are going to probably cut to Rumble here in the middle of the show once we get into a certain thing.
	Yeah.
	What else?
	Anything else I'm missing?
	That's pretty much it.
	Alright, so we've got a special guest in the house.
	Phil, welcome to the show.
	I'm excited to have you.
	Can you please introduce yourself to the people for those that might not be aware?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	My name is Phil Turney.
	I'm the president of the USS Liberty Veterans Association, and I'm a survivor of the attack.
	And first, I'd like to give you this, if I may, please.
	Thank you so much.
	USS Liberty hat.
	Thank you.
	And a USS Liberty coin.
	Thank you so much.
	Well, thank you.
	It's in honor of our shipmates, and we give this to you in honor of you for Getting the word out, it means so much.
	Well, thank you for your service.
	I'm going to make sure that this doesn't die.
	I'm going to make sure that people know about this story and they know what really went down on that day.
	Also, you brought a friend along.
	Hey, how are you doing?
	I'm John.
	I'm here.
	I help Phil.
	Usually you see me on Twitter.
	I'm part of the RGS. We have a small, small podcast, not as big as yours, but we fight for the liberty.
	We do a lot of things for the liberty, so I'm here kind of as Phil's liaison to help.
	Yeah, and me and you have been in communication.
	So shout out to John for coordinating the podcast and making it happen, guys.
	He was the one that really made things move.
	Thank you.
	So thank you for coming and obviously setting this interview up, which I'm very excited to get into.
	So Phil, can you please kind of take us through your background before you got into the military?
	Sure.
	I quit school in the seventh grade.
	My dad needed help, and so I went to work.
	Where did you grow up?
	Pardon me?
	Where did you grow up?
	Colorado, Denver.
	Denver, Colorado?
	Yeah, and we did construction, plastering, stuff like that, and I decided...
	The day I turned 17, I'm out of here because I'm done with this.
	So I joined the Navy.
	What year was this when you turned 17?
	I turned 17 December the 18th, 1946.
	What the hell am I talking about?
	I joined at 17 anyway, and I went in the Navy.
	Well, December the 18th is when I turned.
	17?
	What year was that?
	Do you remember?
	1964.
	1964, okay.
	And then I went in the Navy February the 6th of 64.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	How old are you now?
	77.
	I'll soon be 78.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Hey, man.
	Look good for 77, I'll tell you that.
	You do.
	Oh, thanks, man.
	Hey, come on.
	Look at all this.
	So, you joined December 18th, you said, of 1963 or 64?
	64.
	64.
	Wow.
	Okay, I got to ask this question because I haven't been able to really speak to someone that's lived through the 40s, the 50s, obviously 60s, 70s, 80s.
	What was it like living in the 50s and the 60s?
	Was it like a different, like, America?
	Oh, it was really a different America.
	It was an America that we said the Pledge of Allegiance, his school...
	And it was an honorable time.
	We put the flag up every day and took it down honorably.
	And that was just in grade school, and I spent a little time in seventh grade.
	But it was a great time in America.
	It was right after the war, you know, and people were happy.
	People were making money.
	We didn't have any real problems, you know, until Vietnam came along.
	Well, of course, the Korean War, but that was another terrible war.
	Because today, nowadays, we have broken families.
	We don't have fathers in the household like that.
	Was the nuclear family much more apparent back then, in the 50s and 60s?
	Absolutely.
	Very little divorce.
	I mean, to get divorced was a cardinal sin.
	You didn't do it.
	No matter what happened, you stayed with your spouse.
	Was it more Christian-based, you would say?
	People more Christian back in those days?
	Yeah, more Christian-based, more oriented to working hard, and frankly, playing hard.
	They did the same thing.
	People like to enjoy themselves.
	Yeah.
	Well, how would people, because, right, I don't think people remember a time of what life was like before smartphones and everything else like that.
	But here, we're not even talking about internet, whatever.
	Like, how did people pass the time?
	Like, were people spending more time outside?
	What were people doing to, like, you know, for hobbies and enjoying themselves in the 50s and 60s?
	Well, they would go out, they'd play basketball, pick up basketball, we'd play football.
	And we'd watch TV, not a lot of it.
	And actually TV just kind of, you know, come out.
	I remember watching the first Mickey Mouse show.
	I stayed up late to watch it on black and white TV. Wow.
	Yeah.
	And this is what, in the 50s or 60s at this point?
	This is like 58, 59, something like that.
	58, 59.
	Whenever they did it come out.
	Wow.
	Just what was the atmosphere like?
	Was racism as bad as they claim it was back then?
	Or was it like...
	It was when the riots in Watts.
	That was in the 60s.
	But no, it wasn't when I was growing up.
	No.
	We had all different nationalities, mostly Spanish and black in Denver.
	We all got along.
	No problems in school or whatever.
	Nobody hated each other.
	So you guys had integrated schools in the 50s?
	Oh yeah.
	Really?
	Okay, before the civil rights movement in the 60s.
	So we could eat in the same room?
	I'm sorry again.
	So you're saying back then, we could eat in the same room.
	We went to the same bathroom too.
	Yeah, so Denver wasn't segregated?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, nowadays we've got Haitians eating cats and dogs.
	Yeah, they love them.
	This guy...
	So, okay.
	So, obviously it was a different time.
	Divorce wasn't a thing.
	Family was obviously huge.
	God and country.
	You mentioned that everyone was much more patriotic.
	Had said the Pledge of Allegiance every day.
	People stood up.
	Like, what made you say, you know what?
	I'm leaving school.
	I'm going to join the military.
	What made you want to do that?
	Well, financially, to help my family.
	My dad, it was kind of a hard time for us.
	What did your father do?
	I was a hot carrier, plastering.
	Okay, and what did your dad do?
	He was a plasterer.
	Oh, plasterer, okay.
	Yeah, so I gave him the mud and he put it on the wall.
	Okay.
	And how long did you do that for before you decided to join the military?
	See, I was 13, four years.
	I started at 13 and left one at 17.
	Okay.
	What did your mom do back then?
	She was just a homekeeper.
	Okay.
	Stayed at home, took care of the kids.
	Good old days.
	Far more common, right?
	Like, there wasn't women in the workplace like it is now.
	And my dad would leave, like, $10 a day on his table to feed five kids.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	10 bucks a day.
	Yeah.
	And she still had money left over.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	So my granddad passed away at 93.
	Rest in peace to him.
	He told me back then he could buy a car for like 300 bucks.
	Yeah.
	A brand new car.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	Even in the 60s, you could buy a car.
	You know, a used one for five, six hundred bucks.
	You know, you get a nice used car.
	Wow.
	and the new i think a new i bought a new 1966 for galaxy for 2200 bucks wow yeah but it was a lot of money back then yeah yeah what what a time i mean Actually, you know what?
	What year was this when you said that your dad would leave?
	This is in the 50s?
	When you would leave like 10 bucks on the table?
	Yeah.
	This was like...
	Yo, Bills, can you put $10, 1955?
	I want to see what that is in today's dollars with inflation.
	It's probably something crazy.
	Wow, what a different...
	What a crazy time.
	It's $117.
	$117 today?
	Damn.
	Okay.
	Well, here's the thing.
	$117 today, would you be able to even feed a family?
	Dude, that is McDonald's.
	That is McDonald's for two people.
	Pretty much.
	It's crazy.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Wow.
	Well, I got to ask this question because I'm really into true crime.
	Did you like...
	When the Zodiac killer was running around killing people, because at this point you were, you know, probably, because you were born, you said 46, right?
	Yeah.
	So you're pretty much an adult at this point.
	You was killing people in 68, 69, etc.
	Did that hit the news all over the place, or no?
	It did, but it wasn't prevalent all over the news.
	It was more prevalent where it was taking place at.
	In California?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, like, national news wasn't a thing yet?
	Well, it was with Walter Cronkite and people like that, but it wasn't...
	You didn't hear about it all the time.
	Gotcha.
	Didn't hear about it.
	In that time period, what would you say...
	You know, I gotta ask this.
	What was it like?
	Did you see the Kenny assassination?
	I did.
	What was the atmosphere in the United States at that time?
	Because you actually lived through it.
	What was it like having a president be assassinated in broad daylight?
	It was the saddest day I've ever witnessed.
	I was 16 years old, and that was 1963, February.
	And when he was assassinated, I thought the whole world was going to blow up, fall apart.
	I mean, I cried.
	Yeah.
	I cried and cried and cried.
	And so did a lot of other people.
	Yeah.
	And then, you know, Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy, and then Jack Rubenstein killed him right now.
	Yeah.
	It was the police station.
	Yep.
	Back then, like, did people believe the official narrative, or did everyone think it was a conspiracy?
	They believed Oswald did it.
	They did believe it?
	Yeah, and then later down the road, you know, they had the people on the hill, the Nobby Hill and the Grassy Hill and all that stuff, and things started coming out.
	Okay.
	The Grassy Nob.
	I never believed...
	Even young, I never believed it was a guy up there with an old rifle doing that.
	Yeah, the magic bullet and all.
	Yeah, it did never make any sense to me.
	And we're going to talk a little bit more about, because obviously Lyndon B. Johnson became president after, and we'll talk about that as well.
	What about when his brother was assassinated?
	What was that like, RFK? Another sad day.
	Sirhan Sirhan did that on national TV. Yeah.
	And I guess it was the same people that killed him.
	Same people who wanted Kennedy to kill.
	Pretty much, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And this was, obviously, that hit national news.
	What about the MLK, Malcolm X, did those hit national news as well when they were assassinated?
	Yes.
	Martin Luther King got assassinated at that hotel.
	He was on the balcony.
	It was another sad day in America.
	He was a beacon of nonviolence, peace.
	Yeah, go ahead and march.
	We're equal.
	We're going to do what we want to do.
	And people followed him, and they respected him.
	I certainly did.
	You don't go around killing people because you disagree with them.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It was just, man, you literally lived through...
	Okay, I've got to ask this too.
	Vietnam, what was that like?
	Obviously, everyone was draft dodging.
	It was a very controversial war.
	What was it like living through that?
	Well, I did two tours in Vietnam before I got aboard the USS Liberty.
	And it was...
	It was sad because all these guys were going over there.
	They were just cannon fodder.
	They were getting killed right and left.
	And I was on an ammo ship then, the USS Monarchia, AE-22.
	And we would unwrap ships out at sea, carriers and their sister ships.
	But all that ammo and all those bombs were going to kill people.
	And that's another war we should have never got in because the Tonkin Gulf was all BS. All BS. I went aboard the USS Maddox DZ-731 when I went back to the Navy.
	That was the ship they said got attacked in the Tonkin Gulf.
	It never happened.
	Really?
	Not like they said it did.
	Wow.
	It was a set-up deal.
	It was a false flag.
	Yeah.
	So you think it was sensationalized just to kind of drag us into war?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	To get us into a war we didn't belong in.
	Yeah.
	Would you say most of those wars were pulse flags created to, like, have drama?
	Yeah, well, yeah, absolutely.
	Look at Iraq.
	You know, Bush's WMD and then you got Cheney and, you know, they're out there warmonging for war and And, you know, they killed, I mean, come on, that shock and awe stuff, they killed so many people.
	It was on, you could see it on TV, you know, it was headline news and everybody, oh yeah, oh yeah, great.
	And I knew it wasn't great.
	You know, it just...
	Vietnam was bad because, like, you're fighting on their territory with the Viet Cong in the jungles, and they had all these booby traps out and everything else like that, and they got a lot of prisoners of war.
	I guess, what was the sentiment from the Armed Forces side with Vietnam?
	Was everyone, like, opposed to it?
	I know a lot of guys use drugs to get through it.
	What was the sentiment like from the Armed Forces perspective?
	Well, in the Armed Forces, especially in the Navy, you know, we wanted to have...
	Of course, we wanted to support our country.
	We wanted to support our servicemen, but they didn't...
	You know, hey, listen, they called us baby killers and rotten people and...
	Of course, James Calley, you know, he killed those people in the village.
	That wasn't good.
	That was bad press.
	But what they originally did with that war is...
	It'll go down in history.
	It's probably one of the worst wars ever.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And it divided the country, man.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	Draft dodging was a thing so it was just just a wild time Weapon no, we're good.
	Okay.
	We're good.
	Okay, so So, I guess what we'll do is we'll just kind of get our...
	So, you joined the military, right?
	You joined the Navy in December 18th of 1964.
	And take us through, I guess, what led up to that fateful day in 1967.
	Okay, after I got off the Mauna Key, I was transferred to the USS Liberty on the East Coast because I was on the West Coast at the time.
	And when I got aboard the Liberty, I didn't really understand what kind of ship it was, Myron, because I was just a dumb kid anyway.
	Yeah.
	Because you're what, like maybe 18, 19 at this point?
	I was 18.
	18, yeah.
	And it was a beautiful ship.
	It had been refurbished.
	It was an old victory hole ship, World War II. They called them one-wayers because a lot of them got sunk by torpedoes going back.
	Oh, okay.
	So it was one of the few that survived World War II, the ship.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And so they had it mothballs and they refurbished it in Washington.
	And made it look like a brand new ship with all the electronic gear and everything.
	It was an Intel ship, right?
	Yeah.
	It was an Intel ship.
	It was the most sophisticated spy ship in the world at that time.
	Yeah.
	And all the antennas were going up.
	You know, you could see it.
	I think we could pull up a picture of it real quick, guys, of the USS Liberty, just so they could see.
	Because you could see, like, all the antennas.
	Bill, if you don't mind?
	Yeah.
	There's one on the website?
	Yeah.
	Which, by the way, we're going to show you guys their website as well.
	Their official website.
	This is it right here.
	Well, this was after it was attacked.
	But can we get one before it was attacked?
	Holy!
	Yeah.
	We'll pull it up right now here for you guys.
	Sorry, so you were saying about the ship.
	So yeah, so it was the most sophisticated ship at the time, Best Buy ship, collecting data, probably able to pick up phones and radio communication.
	Yeah, almost anything you wanted, they could pick it up.
	In fact, the ship is so sophisticated, they could bounce.
	This is 64.
	Yeah.
	65, 67.
	Okay, so you first got on Liberty in 64.
	65.
	Okay, so roughly a year or two into being in the Navy, you got assigned the USS Liberty.
	Right, and the Liberty could bounce signals Off the moon at that time and have him back to national security agency within three seconds.
	Wow.
	That's incredible.
	Yeah.
	And this is 1964.
	64 is when the technology got put on there originally.
	This is fucking crazy, man.
	Yeah, it is.
	1964, they already had that capability.
	And this was a ship, and you said the information was going to the NSA? Yes.
	Anything the spies couldn't decipher, they sent it right to NSA. Oh, so whatever you guys collected went to the NSA. Right.
	So that they can, I guess, deal with the intel product, create an intel product after the fact.
	Right.
	Anything the guys aboard the ship couldn't do, and they'd send it back to NSA. You know, and there was a reason for that.
	They didn't, you know, they wanted to get all that information.
	Gotcha.
	So information comes into the ship.
	Guys on the ship are trying to decipher it.
	If they can't decipher it, they send it over to NSA. NSA gives you guys back an intel product on what they couldn't decipher.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I wasn't an intelligence guy.
	I was ship's company.
	Ship's company?
	Yeah.
	That was like engineering, boatswain mates, cooks.
	So you're like one of the maintenance heads of the ship, keeping it running?
	Keeping it running.
	Our job and only job, Myron, is wherever the spies wanted to go, that's where we had to get them.
	And that's what we did.
	Wherever they wanted to go, we took them.
	Okay.
	So, question for you.
	I'm assuming everybody that was on the ship probably had a clearance.
	Yes, they had a top secret clearance.
	Okay.
	Everybody.
	No, I did not have one.
	You didn't have a top secret clearance.
	I probably had a secret clearance and I didn't know it, but to get on board that ship...
	I'm sure they wanted to check everybody out.
	I mean, they just don't, you know...
	Yeah, so, like, were you not allowed on certain parts of the ship where they were collecting intel, or could you go in there as well?
	No, we could not.
	We could not go in their spaces.
	There was two different ships, or two different crews on that ship.
	Okay.
	The spies and ship's company, and we didn't talk to each other.
	Oh.
	We never talked to each other.
	And because, sadly enough, they said it was...
	Because of national security.
	These guys were some of the finest spies in the world and they would never say anything to us or anybody else.
	They took an oath and they stood by their oath.
	No, they never told us anything and we didn't ask.
	So, this is interesting.
	So, two different groups of people on the ship.
	You've got the people that are maintaining, keeping the ship going, whether it's cooks, engineers, etc., making sure that the ship is always in good shape.
	And then you've got the guys that are on the ship collecting foreign intelligence information.
	Deciphering it on ship, or if not, sending it over to NSA to get an intel product.
	And you guys both cohabitated, hung out on the ship, but you guys didn't talk to each other.
	No, no.
	They had their own spaces in the stern of the ship, and the rest of us has ours up front in the bow.
	Okay.
	So there were further spaces.
	We had ours.
	Was there any common rooms at all?
	Like maybe chow time or anything?
	Oh, we had chow time, but they sat by themselves and we sat by ours.
	Wow.
	In fact, we thought they were snobs.
	Okay.
	You know, I mean, hey, come on.
	Look at you guys.
	You're all clean.
	Your fingernails are clean.
	Here, I'm all dirty.
	I'm an engineer.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, it was completely different.
	I was kind of envious because they had it kind of easy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Were these guys Navy?
	Were they NSA? Were they CIA? Which agencies did they work for?
	They worked for the NSA and I'm sure the CIA too.
	Okay.
	But these guys weren't military.
	They were all military.
	They were military too, on top of working for these intelligence agencies.
	Yeah, the people and the part of the spies were all military, except we picked up one civilian when we got to Rota Spain, but we'll get into that.
	Okay, so they were all military and intelligence.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Or military intelligence.
	Like, were they, did you know their ranks, or...?
	Well, yeah.
	They went from E2, that's a, well, it's E2, it's a low level, all the way up to Lieutenant, Lieutenant...
	Officer?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you, at the time, were probably, like, a E... I was a third class, E4. E4, okay.
	Well, take us through a day with your MOS. You said you were an engineer, so in a typical day, what would you do?
	You'd wake up at what, 500?
	And then what would happen?
	Yeah, we'd go to jail around 6 and muster up 7.30 and then go to work.
	And the muster, they'd brief you on whatever needed to be done for the day and everything else like that?
	Well, they wanted to make sure everybody was there.
	Okay.
	Right.
	So it's like taking attendance and then give any news or anything else that needed to be done?
	Yeah.
	I'm assuming?
	Okay.
	And we got certain jobs we were supposed to take care of, which we did.
	Okay.
	And I was in the ship fitter shop.
	Okay.
	I started out in the boiler room and machinist mate.
	Okay.
	That's where you started.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it was hot as hell down there, man.
	I was going to say.
	Yeah, we had the old boilers, you know, and it was hot.
	Yeah.
	I decided I wanted to get out of there and go up topside.
	Yeah.
	I finally got up there.
	Okay.
	And you did the engineering...
	How long were you in the boiler room for?
	About...
	Nine months.
	Nine months?
	Okay.
	And then you went up to the top side and you said you were doing...
	Ship fitter work.
	I was a ship fitter pipe.
	Okay.
	What's that entail?
	Welding and taking care of shipboard water, potable water, and salt water.
	And we would salinate.
	The engineers in the engine room would do that.
	They'd salinate the water and keep the boulders going and things like that.
	Okay, so general ship maintenance in that regard.
	Yeah, general ship maintenance.
	Okay, and so, all right, so you wake up, you sit around five, chow, muster up around 7.30, work during the day.
	What time are you guys done with work by?
	Four or five?
	Well, it just depending if we were to stand and watch.
	Sometimes, use work four hours.
	And then go on watch for four hours.
	And then four hours later, you go on another watch.
	Okay.
	So it was work, watch, work, watch.
	Okay.
	So you would work at four-hour spurts, and then you go watch.
	Can you describe to the audience what being on watch means?
	Sure.
	- Sure, well, you could have like the eight to 12 watch.
	What it is is just like you have a certain duty, like a duty station.
	My watches were still down in the engine room because I knew what I was doing down there.
	I'd go down there and be a machinist mate, and that's taking care of the salination and all the water supply and the propulsion of the ship, main control, and that's what we would do for four hours.
	Gotcha.
	And then we would go to bed or whatever.
	So were you never able to like go to bed for more than like four hours?
	No, we would have sometimes a full eight hours.
	Okay.
	It just depends on what watch you have.
	Like if you had the mid-watch, they let you sleep in an extra hour.
	Okay.
	That's from, you know, midnight to four, and they give you an extra hour to sleep and then go back to work.
	Gotcha, gotcha.
	So watch is basically like, I guess, being on watch for whatever MOS you had already.
	Sure.
	Making sure that you maintaining the ship at all times because, you know, obviously the 24-7 operation, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And you guys are, I'm assuming, out in the middle of the sea just collecting information, so it's not like you guys are close to shore, right?
	No, we were always out to sea, far away, not far away, but staying in international waters.
	In fact, our normal cruising was from Norfolk to Africa.
	Oh, wow.
	From Norfolk, Virginia.
	All the way to, I'm assuming, Western Africa.
	Western Africa, and we'd stop in Luanda.
	Many different ports there.
	How long would that voyage take?
	We usually did three months, three and a half months, and come back, and then need to refit the ship, make sure everything's good, and go back out again.
	So it's three months from Norfolk to Africa?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	That was our normal steaming, up and down the coast, up and down the coast, about five knots.
	Picking up signals out of the air is perfectly legal.
	Everybody did it.
	Yep, yep.
	Because you're in international waters at this point.
	International waters all the time.
	Yeah.
	So, and I'm assuming it's not like you guys were rushing to get to Africa.
	It's just like you guys would kind of be out there in the water, collect, collect, collect.
	Yeah.
	Okay, let's keep pushing, collect, collect, collect.
	But typically it would be three months, you'd be in Africa.
	And then you said, how long would you guys stay in Africa before you went back to Virginia?
	About three months, three and a half months.
	Okay, so we're talking...
	All right, so three months out, get to Africa, three months at Africa, and then three months back.
	Yeah.
	So we're talking like nine months, almost a year, to do a full rotation.
	Yeah.
	While you're sailing on the water, do any countries approach you to ask what you're doing in their waters at all?
	Or they just knew that you were like...
	No.
	We operated alone, and we would see different ships, Russian ships or other different nations, but we weren't harassed by them or anything like that.
	They were doing the same thing.
	They're picking up signals out of the side, seeing what they could figure out.
	Okay.
	I really want to know, though.
	Okay, so you're all at sea, right?
	And literally, like, just you guys for a couple months, your most on and off.
	How do you guys have fun on the ship?
	Like, is there, like, things you can do on the ship?
	For example, maybe, like, games you can play, things you can do.
	Yeah, how did you guys pass the time when you weren't working, I guess, or on watch?
	Yeah, we play cards, play poker, throw dice.
	You know, typical min shit.
	Okay.
	Were there women on board?
	Any girls?
	No, that was back then.
	It was called a bad omen if you had women aboard ship.
	The sirens!
	Nice, good.
	That's the way it should be.
	No women in the military.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	How dare you?
	Just kidding.
	Slow your roll.
	Well, and a support roll, you know what I mean.
	So, women were never on the ship with you guys, at least back then.
	No, no.
	They didn't start that until back in the 80s, I think, something like that.
	Were women even allowed in the military at this point?
	Yeah, they were allowed.
	But like in the Navy, they were called waves.
	And most of it was clerical, you know, like corpsmen.
	Ah, support work.
	Yeah, or yeoman, you know, typing and stuff like that.
	Gotcha.
	But they didn't go aboard ship.
	Yeah, they didn't do anything that could be combat related or anything like that.
	No, no.
	Okay, just support.
	All right, fair enough.
	I think we could get into the juicy stuff now.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because I wanted the audience to really understand what his duties were, etc.
	Because then the story's going to make sense when he starts talking about what happened.
	He was definitely there, and he was sort of fully in the military as well.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Anything you guys got before we go off YouTube and get on the, go into the, like, obviously June 8th?
	Nothing?
	All right, so guys, come on over to Rumble, rumble.com.
	We're going to go into June 8th, 1967, a very important day, a very tragic day.
	So come on over to Rumble, guys, right now.
	Rumble on Locals only, yep.
	Which we'll still have the green banner on for the people.
	Yeah, so...
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We'll still be live on YouTube, but they're going to switch on over.
	You ready, Bills?
	I'm just...
	Oh, you're spamming the chat?
	Yeah.
	I see Moe spamming the chat.
	We're good?
	Alright, so we're on Rumble.
	Okay, so take us through June 8th, 1967.
	Okay, I'd like to start by saying first, we left port to go to Africa, our normal steaming.
	We went to Abidjan to get off ship, go on liberty, have some beer or whatever.
	So you guys were in Africa at this point?
	Yeah, we were right in Africa.
	We just got there.
	And around, I don't know, 10.30 or 11.30, all hell broke loose.
	And the captain says, get everybody aboard back ship.
	This is June 8th, right?
	No.
	This is like June the 2nd.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And they said, get everybody back aboard ship now.
	We got to go right now.
	That's never happened to us before.
	Interesting.
	And you said this was at 10 p.m.
	at night?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So you guys are there.
	You had been there for literally not even 24 hours in Africa.
	Yeah.
	And they're like, hey, get everybody back on the ship.
	We're going back.
	Yeah, fast as we could go.
	Okay.
	And we did.
	For parts unknown, we didn't know where we were going.
	But the ship was going as fast as it could.
	They took the governors off the main control, which is the engines, to make it go 18 and a half knots.
	And that was fast for that old ship.
	Yeah.
	Excuse me.
	We got there.
	We got through the rocket gibralder.
	All the other ships were going the other way.
	We were the only one going that way.
	So you guys were sailing north or south then?
	Okay, because I'm assuming you guys are in Western Africa, right?
	Yeah.
	Did you guys sail towards Egypt or south?
	We sailed towards Egypt.
	Towards Egypt north.
	Okay.
	So let's see if we can pull up a map here real fast.
	I think that'll probably be better, just so we can give the audience a visual representation.
	We're gonna pull up the map here.
	But continue on, sorry.
	So you...
	And then we got that picture of the USS Liberty too, right?
	Chat, guys?
	Yes.
	Alright, come on guys, focus.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	It's right there.
	Yeah, let's show the Liberty first.
	So this is it, guys.
	You can see all the antennas there, etc.
	Which, you know, obviously for the 60s, very sophisticated.
	Um...
	There's a theory that the US government has a lot of advanced technology way before we get it as the public.
	Oh yeah.
	So it was mainly on the ship then.
	That is the analogy.
	I'm just kidding.
	All right.
	He's sending a bunch of pictures of the damages.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But I want to show a picture of Africa.
	So yeah, so we can kind of like know where they were and then where they were sailing.
	So the audience kind of has an idea.
	Because in my head, it sounds like you guys kind of sailed towards Italy?
	Yes.
	North Africa?
	Yeah.
	Okay, going towards Egypt.
	Yes.
	We went through the rock.
	Boom.
	So, yeah.
	So, basically, you guys were...
	I can't see.
	Can you make it a little bit bigger?
	Okay.
	So, here we go.
	Boom.
	So, you said...
	Where'd you guys land?
	We were in Abijan.
	Abijan.
	Where's that?
	I'm trying to look here.
	Yeah, let's see.
	It should be down.
	Angola.
	Hmm.
	Yeah, because I don't know if it shows.
	How many different maps?
	Pull that map back up, Bills.
	Yeah, pull it up real fast.
	You said it was near Angola?
	So, basically, but you guys were over here, let's say Cape Verde, just to keep it simple.
	You guys were in that Cape Verde area, right?
	And then they told you to get back on the ship, and you guys went and you sailed around the top.
	So you guys were passing Morocco, Tunisia, etc.
	That's where you guys were.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	We went right through the rock of Gibraltar, Myron, and headed into the Mediterranean.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	So you guys were headed towards the Mediterranean Sea.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So this is on or about June 2nd.
	Yeah.
	When you guys left?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Continue on.
	Sorry.
	Fastest we could go.
	18 and a half knots, right?
	Yeah.
	And then we thought, well, something is going on here real bad.
	And we didn't know what.
	We didn't know the six-day war started.
	It started early.
	Yeah.
	On June the 5th, I believe, or 4th, whatever.
	But we got on station...
	On June the 7th.
	Okay, so just so I can make sure I have this right.
	So June 2nd, you guys, high tail out of there.
	And then you said on June 5th, you guys, is the reason why you guys got out of there on June 2nd, like they picked up radio transmission of an impeding war coming?
	Yes.
	In the Middle East?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And the six-day war, if I'm not mistaken, this is between Israel and Egypt.
	Right.
	The Arab states, Jordan.
	Yep.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Jordan, Egypt.
	Syria.
	Syria.
	Lebanon, too?
	I don't think Lebanon.
	Maybe it was.
	I don't know.
	But the beginning of the Six-Day War was starting.
	And you guys picked up this intel, so you guys started heading that way.
	Yes.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	I'm assuming to support Israel.
	That's what we thought.
	We had like on the 7th when we knew what was going on.
	Okay.
	Because it took you a few days to get out there.
	Yeah.
	So it took about five days to get to the Mediterranean Sea.
	We stopped in Rota, Spain first.
	Okay.
	We had to pick up some more linguists.
	We picked up two, excuse me, three marine linguists.
	Okay.
	That spoke Arabic?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And Russian.
	Russian?
	Yes.
	Why Russian?
	I don't know.
	We had one, his name was Bryce Lockwood.
	He was a linguist.
	He was a Russian linguist.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So two Arab linguists, one Russian linguist.
	You guys stopped in Spain to get them.
	And a civilian.
	His name was Alan Blue.
	Okay.
	And he was working for NSA. Okay.
	He was a civilian contractor.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	So you pick these, what, three or four individuals up, and then you guys continue on towards the Mediterranean?
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Then we knew there was a war going on.
	The captain of the ship, Captain William McGonagall, He asked the Sixth Fleet or higher-ups for a destroyer escort.
	Okay.
	Or a destroyer.
	The individual that requested this, was he like the highest chain of command individual on board?
	Well, yeah, captain was.
	The captain.
	And then the second or third in command was David Lewis.
	He was the head spy there.
	Okay, and he was the one that requested?
	Well, the captain did, and David Lewis.
	Both of them requested?
	Both of them denied.
	Getting you guys a worship?
	Yeah, they wouldn't support us.
	They said, you've got an American flag.
	You're clearly marked.
	You have nothing to worry, nothing to fear.
	Because you guys wanted an escort.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	A warship escort.
	Absolutely.
	Because you guys knew that you were going into a hostile area.
	We didn't know what was going to happen.
	Gotcha.
	So let me just make sure I get this straight just for the audience.
	You guys landed in Africa on or about June 2nd.
	Not even 24 hours there, they're like, we gotta hightail it, because you guys got word that there's probably a potential conflict going on in the Middle East between Israel and these Arab countries.
	You guys go to Spain, pick up four individuals, linguists, three linguists, Arab, and then one Russian, and then you guys request assistance with a warship escort as you get further into the Mediterranean, and they denied you.
	They denied us twice.
	Because it's a spy ship.
	You guys don't have the same capabilities of defending yourself as a warship, right?
	No.
	That's why you wanted an escort.
	Yeah, we had actually no defense.
	The only thing we had a defense was.450 caliber machine guns.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	So that explains why you guys wanted the support.
	Now, at this point, what date is it when they denied you guys this warship escort?
	Roughly.
	Well, roughly say the 5th.
	Okay.
	And they said, don't worry about it.
	You guys are fine.
	Don't worry about it.
	Were you guys in Spain when you got this information or were you guys already back going towards the Mediterranean at this point?
	We were headed toward the Med.
	Okay.
	Headed toward Egypt.
	Okay.
	They said you had an American flag, so you were fine?
	Yes.
	How big was that flag?
	Well, we had a 5x8.
	We had two 5x8s.
	Yeah.
	And a 7x13.
	Okay.
	Clearly marked.
	Brand new flags.
	You could see them as clear as day.
	As clear as day.
	And it was beautiful days all the way there.
	I mean, it was sunny, sunny, beautiful days all the way there.
	And we got there on the...
	On the 7th of June, and I wanted to tell you guys about this.
	Everybody aboard the ship had written, not everybody, but you could see stars of David.
	People would paste up because we knew that the Arabs were fighting the Israelis, or I should put it, the Israelis were fighting the Arabs.
	But They were all happy.
	We wanted Israel to win.
	Of course, we thought they were an ally.
	Yeah.
	So, we get there on the 7th.
	Israeli reconnaissance aircraft, smaller aircraft, you know, and then a flying boxcar, which is a two-engine plane, and it would come very low.
	Tipped their wings.
	We'd wave at them.
	You could see the pilots.
	We'd wave back and we thought, hey man, our buddies are here to help us if anything happens, you know.
	And then we get on the 8th, the same thing happened again.
	We're right in the middle of the war zone.
	You could see the bombs dropping, black smoke, and it was, you know, everything.
	How far were you guys from Egypt at this point?
	Well, we were 12.5 miles off the Sinai coast.
	Okay.
	12.5 miles.
	And we were always in international waters.
	Always.
	Okay.
	Because of the nature of the ship and what you guys were doing since you were a spy ship.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	So, you're in international waters, but you're seeing the conflict going on between Israel and Egypt.
	Yes.
	And the day prior, Israeli...
	Jets flew by you guys and waved.
	Not the jets.
	It was just the recon aircraft.
	Recon aircraft, okay.
	Right.
	So they knew, and you guys had the American flag on there.
	Yeah.
	So they knew.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And in their headquarters, they identified us as American and friendly.
	And this was repeated several times.
	So they knew who we were on the 7th and the 8th.
	Was the 7th the first time that you guys got contact with the Israelis?
	I don't think we ever contacted them.
	I don't mean contact.
	I mean like the first time you guys had saw each other was the 7th.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, just going back real quick so I make sure I understand this because obviously things are going to pick up here.
	You guys leave from Spain, ask for assistance.
	They say no, but you guys head on there anyway.
	You guys get to about 12.5 miles out from Egypt, but you guys are still in international waters.
	Recon aircraft from Israel sees you guys, and you guys are assured from your chain of command that Israel knows that you guys are friendlies.
	Yes.
	And I'm assuming this is the same chain of command that denied you guys the warship escort before.
	Yes.
	Okay, wow.
	Okay.
	So, this is on June 7th, and then on June 8th you said they passed by again, the recon ships.
	Yeah, for about four hours in the morning, over and over again.
	Okay, so take us through June 8th then.
	So you wake up, what time, and then we can just go through the whole day.
	Okay, we get up, and we muster, and it was just like any other day.
	What was the temperature?
	Was it cloudy?
	Was it nice?
	Oh, it was a beautiful, beautiful sunny day.
	Clear.
	Warm outside, clear.
	And our ship was, if you weren't working, you could go up on deck and sunbathe and do anything you wanted to.
	And we had people sunbathing.
	On the deck, because we did it all the time, going up, you know, down to Africa.
	And we continued that, because it was just what we did.
	Now, out of curiosity, they rushed you guys from Eastern Africa and you guys went all the way around towards Egypt because this conflict was going on between Israel and the Arab states.
	Were you guys there to, I guess, collect intelligence as the main reason they wanted you so close to the action?
	Absolutely.
	David Lewis, in one of his interviews, he was a head spy there, Myron.
	He wasn't on board though, right?
	Yeah.
	Oh, he was on board.
	He was on board.
	And he was ordered any Arabic, excuse me, any Hebrew or UK Message, you were supposed to drop it immediately.
	Do not listen to Israel or the United Kingdom.
	Drop it immediately.
	So you guys could not collect on our allies, I guess?
	No.
	That's what he was told, and that's what he told us.
	Okay.
	I wonder why.
	That's a good question.
	I wonder why, but we'll get into that.
	Yeah.
	Oh, boy.
	So you guys are there.
	So June 8th.
	You guys think it's all good because, obviously, Israeli aircraft had passed by.
	You guys already waved.
	Everything's cool.
	The day before, your chain of command assures you, you guys are fine.
	Israel's aware that you guys are there and you guys are friendlies.
	So you guys are there collecting information, presumably collecting on the Arabs to share with the Israelis.
	So you guys were there in a support function for Israel.
	And guys were even chilling out, sunbathing, right?
	Like, on the deck.
	It's a beautiful June day.
	You said you mustered up, it was a regular work day, and then what?
	About, oh, 11.30, 12 o'clock, they had a general quarter station.
	And what that is, is you go to the general quarters, and we would do certain drills.
	You know, it could be, on this particular day, it was a chemical attack.
	And I was assistant on-scene leader in the forward repair party.
	And I was wearing an impregnated suit pretending we were washing down the ship with fire gear, fire hoses.
	Okay, so you were wearing almost like a fireman's outfit during the training exercise of a simulation of if the ship was on fire.
	No, this is a chemical drill in case we got chemicals dropped on us.
	Gotcha.
	Biological.
	Okay.
	And this went on for probably, I don't know, 45 minutes.
	It was so hot, so hot, you guys.
	I almost passed out in that suit.
	I couldn't wait to get out of that thing.
	Yeah.
	Finally, we secured from general quarters.
	The old man said, good job, you guys.
	I stowed my gear.
	It's about 1 p.m.
	now?
	Training is completed?
	Yeah, about 1.30.
	Okay.
	Maybe a little before that, but the sound pyrophones were working in the forward gun mount on the starboard side.
	So it was my obligation to make sure those phones worked.
	So I got an IC man to come up there, David Skolak, young guy, beautiful young guy, and also Hal Thompson was there.
	It was a gunner's meeting.
	Okay.
	So after you finished the biological chemicals, biological attack training, you focused on, now we gotta fix the phones, or make sure that they're up to par.
	Right, they weren't working, it was right in the gun mount.
	Random question, but did you guys eat lunch yet at this point, or no?
	We already had lunch.
	You had lunch earlier, okay.
	So, lunch, Mustard, work, lunch, chemical training, and then now you're repairing the phones.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, make sure everything's...
	Right.
	And I was talking to David Skolak, and I said, hey, you know, this would be a hell of a bad place to be in if we ever got attacked.
	Oh, my God, really?
	Yes, yes.
	Were the phones in a very open area?
	Yeah, it was right down below on the gun tub where you hook them in.
	And for some reason, it wasn't working.
	The phones?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And he said, I got it, Tony.
	I'll take care of it.
	How long had the phones been down before you guys actually brought it to your attention and you said you were going to fix them?
	They were down during the GQ drill.
	General quarters.
	Literally, the training exercise you guys had just done?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	They weren't working then.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So that's when we had to get them done.
	So I did.
	I got Skolak out of the IC shop, and that was his job, to take care of the sound-powered phones and the communications.
	And you said the phones were right next to the guns?
	What a strange place to put the phones.
	When you try to make a phone call, you better not be using the guns at the same time.
	There were headsets with a little thing on, and they were sound powered, not electrical.
	So he says, I got it, Tony.
	And that's when I said, this would be a hell of a bad place to be if we got attacked.
	Was it, like, open to, like, everything?
	It was, like, wide out in the open?
	Is that why?
	Yeah.
	The gun tub?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	It was on the starboard side.
	We had one on the starboard.
	We had one on the port in the forward.
	Mid-ships, we had one on the port and starboard as well.
	And they were all out in the open.
	The metal on those things was only about that thick around the tub.
	Gotcha.
	So I said, well, I guess I'm going to go back to my duty station.
	I'm out of here.
	Yeah, and...
	You know, I walked back to my workstation.
	It wasn't 30 seconds after I got my workstation.
	All hell broke loose.
	So now it's 1.30, 1.45-ish?
	Two o'clock.
	Two o'clock, okay.
	Exercise completes at 1.30.
	You're working on the phones.
	You notice, hey, I need to go back to my station to get some other equipment and materials?
	You literally get in to your station, and then you start hearing crazy shit.
	Everything blew up.
	Everything was rockets and cannons.
	What was the first thing you heard?
	The first thing I heard?
	What was the first thing you heard, yeah, when you got back over there?
	Well, the first thing I heard, first they said over the 1MC, they tested the boats every day to make sure the engines work and everything.
	Gotcha.
	And the boat was right outside my workspace.
	There's a huge explosion.
	And I thought, oh shit, they blew up the whale boat.
	I started to go out the hatch.
	And the whale boat, just so I make sure I understand this, is that like one of the escape boats, like the smaller boats on the side, emergency boats?
	Yeah.
	It's about 25, 30 feet long.
	Okay.
	They put it on divots and take it over.
	Gotcha.
	So if, God forbid, something happens, you guys get attacked or something like that, you have boats that you can kind of escape on.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So you hear an explosion.
	You think, what the fuck?
	Did these guys blow up one of the boats?
	Well, I thought it was, yeah, I thought that one of the engine men blew it up.
	Okay.
	So I started to go out there and see what was going on.
	And this first-class niece, he was a chief a little bit later, he grabbed me by the neck, shirt, and he says, man, we're under attack.
	And I said, oh, shit.
	So I started running down to my repair station.
	And as I went down the ladder to the mess decks, I fell completely down the ladder.
	Did you trip or something?
	I must have because I ended up on my back.
	There were so many men running, trying to get to their duty stations.
	And I'm assuming, when you say duty stations, this is the station that, if you're ever under attack, this is where you need to go to and do this job.
	Right.
	Everybody has a general quarters station they have to go to.
	Okay.
	And I rolled to my right, and when they quit running, I got up and went to my repair party forward.
	So what was your duty station in particular?
	It was a repair party forward, too, and I was an assistant on-screen leader, firefighter.
	I directed things.
	Okay, so you're under attack.
	You're like, I got to get to my duty station.
	And in this case, your job was a firefighter.
	Okay.
	And everyone else, I'm assuming, is scrambling to get to their duty stations.
	Sure.
	Because there's a protocol when you're under attack, everyone needs to do XYZ. Right now.
	You've got to get going.
	Yeah.
	And that's what we all did, except the ones that were already getting shot at.
	Okay.
	So you fall down the ladder, or you fall on your back, you get up, and then what?
	I run to my duty station.
	I mean, as fast as I could get there.
	What's the environment like?
	Is it just, like, fucking chaos?
	Like, what are you hearing?
	What are you smelling?
	What are you seeing?
	All you can hear is rockets and cannons hitting us.
	Explosion after explosion.
	On the top of the deck, Myron...
	You could see they had big holes coming through the top.
	You could see sunshine coming through the deck all over.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	So you could see literally cratering holes and the sun was coming through.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	This is what, just not even a minute or two after you heard the first explosion?
	They took out every tuning antenna on that ship.
	And every watertight door above the waterline in three seconds.
	Wow.
	There was only one antenna that was taken offline by Terry Haldebardier because it wasn't sending signals.
	And the other antennas were all hot.
	They had heat-seeking missiles and they knocked them all out.
	Oh.
	Terry ran a long cable And got a message out.
	Rockstar!
	Rockstar!
	Under attack!
	Help!
	Help!
	Rockstar!
	That was a call sign for the ship.
	Right.
	Rockstar.
	Okay.
	And that was picked up as far away as Vietnam.
	Wow!
	The 6th Fleet picked it up, but I might add, all five of our distress signals were jammed.
	That's a war crime.
	They were jamming every signal.
	The only time we could get a signal, not our Terry did, was when they were firing the rockets and they couldn't jam.
	So the USS America, USS Saratoga picked it up.
	Captain Tully, which he was a friend of mine, he came to a couple of our reunions.
	He sent aircraft to come to our aid.
	Wow.
	Even before they hit the horizon, they were recalled by Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense.
	Okay.
	America launched again and sold it to Tali.
	They got back.
	They were ready to come help us.
	Where were these other ships stationed?
	About 40 minutes away.
	Okay, so they were also in the Mediterranean, these ships.
	And I'm assuming these were warships, not intel ships.
	The same warships that you guys wanted to escort you.
	Yeah, we needed something, but they wouldn't help us.
	But they sent the help, and they were recalled again, and they went to a higher authority.
	Who recalled them?
	Lyndon Baines Johnson.
	Wow.
	He says, I don't give a GD. If a bunch of sailors die, I'm not going to embarrass my ally, Israel.
	Now, these jets were unmarked.
	They were Mystere and Mirage jets, French made.
	Okay.
	This attack went on for 25 minutes.
	The air attack.
	How did Johnson know who was attacking us if we didn't?
	Yeah.
	So, okay, just going back a little bit.
	So you get bombed.
	You guys are getting attacked.
	Luckily, the message was able to get out to the warships that you guys were under attack.
	Because one of the antennas was still, I guess, up.
	They bombed the other ones.
	So thank God we had one more antenna left and you guys were able to do that.
	So get the message out.
	And you ask for support.
	They try to get you support.
	The president says no.
	Declines it.
	Twice?
	Twice.
	McNamara first, and then they went to the next higher authority and requested somebody else.
	He's got to tell me not to do it.
	Johnson got on the line.
	And he said no.
	You're not allowed to help the Liberty.
	I don't care if the sailors are dead.
	You literally said that.
	Yeah.
	I could care less.
	I could give a GED if a few sailors die.
	So, when you guys were getting attacked, what was going through your head when you guys were getting attacked?
	Who did you think was attacking you at that moment?
	We thought it was Arabs because we didn't know.
	It was the IDF. They blacked the markings out on their airplanes.
	They're all black.
	Yeah.
	So we had no idea.
	No clue.
	When the message out, by unknown jet aircraft.
	Unknown jet aircraft.
	Okay, the distress signal from you guys, from Rockstar to everybody else's, we're getting attacked by unidentified aircraft.
	Right.
	Blacked out.
	We don't know who they are.
	Right.
	Wouldn't they care about the spies on the boat for the intel that they have?
	Wouldn't he want the intel, the president, from the spies or no?
	Well, I don't think he cared about the intel or anything else.
	I think, well, to put it bluntly, we were set up by our own government to be slaughtered.
	And that's pretty sad.
	So...
	You hear the explosions.
	It's fucking chaos.
	Smoke everywhere.
	You said you're able to see holes in the deck.
	You guys were getting bombed.
	Was it like machine gun fire too?
	Yeah, we had rockets and cannons and the attack lasts about 25 minutes with the aircraft.
	They did about 30 silver T's attacks on us.
	Were you able to get to your station and do what you needed to do?
	I got to my station.
	I did.
	What were you doing?
	That 25 minutes, what were you doing the whole time?
	I was on the main deck pulling sailors off, throwing them into hatches, getting them at least off the deck.
	There was a lot of people shot or rocketed.
	So that was my job and that's what I did.
	So you're pointing out fires and grabbing sailors and putting them in safety.
	Right.
	Well, the air attack lasted 25 minutes.
	That's a long time.
	Yeah.
	We thought it was over because they did not...
	I mean, that was it.
	We said, thank God it's over.
	It was just beginning.
	That attack lasted two hours.
	We had another hour and a half of hell.
	Wow.
	That's when they send the torpedo boats in.
	So they hit you guys up with air?
	To soften us up.
	Yeah.
	They send the torpedo boats out, three of them.
	Three torpedo boats.
	They got in a torpedo launch attitude about a thousand yards out.
	They didn't fire just one torpedo.
	They fired five torpedoes at us.
	Five of them.
	I saw two go after where the other two went.
	I don't know.
	But I know where the other one hit.
	It hit right in the research bases where all the spies were.
	Holy shit.
	It blew 25 of them to bits.
	Blew them to bits.
	There were some that made it out of there by the grace of God.
	Do you think the spies had intel that would have exposed somebody?
	Well, it's interesting you say that.
	Larry Bowen, he was a spy, and he was talking to a friend of his about there's a target that's going to be hit.
	But he didn't know who the target was.
	And the target was us.
	Whoa.
	Did they pick that up on Israeli comms or?
	On our comms.
	Well, I don't know.
	It was probably Israeli.
	I don't know, but it almost had to be.
	Yeah, because I'm trying to, yeah.
	But they were told, they instructed to not keep listening, right?
	So he had to probably turn it off?
	Well, I don't think he did, because he told Larry that there is a target, and it was very sensitive, but he didn't know what the target was, and it was us, man.
	They were going to hit us.
	Then the torpedo boats got there, and they hit the Star of David on them, and we thought they would come to help us.
	Okay, so that's when you guys finally realized who was attacking you.
	Right.
	First we thought, oh God, our best friends are here, man.
	The cavalry's coming.
	To support us.
	They didn't do that.
	They fired the five torpedoes at us.
	Like I say, one hit.
	It picked the ship completely up out of the water.
	Myron, and it took it up, slammed it back down, and we went to about a...
	What does a torpedo sound like?
	I'm really trying to have the audience envision being there.
	I'm imagining here, you just suffered 25 minutes of being bombed to fucking hell by these jets.
	You don't know who the hell they are.
	Then you're pulling people out.
	I'm assuming there's blood everywhere.
	You're trying to administer aid.
	Tourniquets everywhere.
	Trying to help people.
	And then you see these ships coming.
	They have Stars of Davids on them.
	And you're like, oh, thank God.
	Our allies are here.
	And then you hear a torpedo.
	What does a torpedo sound like?
	Oh my god, it sounded an explosion like you can't believe.
	Do you hear it when it's fired or do you only hear it when it makes contact?
	When it makes contact.
	Gotcha, okay.
	Because it flies through the water, so obviously silent.
	Right.
	So the first torpedo hits you.
	Where were you and what do you remember?
	I was one deck above where the torpedo hit.
	Wow!
	And when it hit, like I say, I thought we were going to roll over and sink.
	Yeah.
	Did you, like, get knocked on the floor when it hit the ship?
	No, actually, I went into a torpedo launch attitude where you put your hands on the bulkhead wall and bend your knees to keep the shock from...
	Okay, so you have to hold on to the wall and then you like crouch?
	Bend your knees and then wait.
	I mean, I didn't know if I was going to die or not.
	I figured I was dead anyway.
	And I'm assuming they train you to, that's how you brace for impact when it hits you.
	Right.
	Okay.
	This whole thing is just happening.
	What is the captain doing and saying to you guys?
	Well, the captain, the 1MC wasn't working very well.
	That's the communications, shipboard communications.
	So I didn't know what was going on.
	The captain wasn't giving orders.
	I got my instruction orders from John Scott.
	He was in the repair central.
	It was verbal, you know.
	Things would go, this is happening, this is happening.
	And I might add that the airplanes dropped napalm on us.
	Oh, napalm?
	Napalm.
	They napalmed us.
	What's that?
	It's jelly gasoline.
	It burns you up and burns you up.
	You can't even put it out.
	That wasn't a war crime then.
	But it's certainly a war crime now.
	Yeah.
	So it's like acid, basically.
	Yeah, it's terrible.
	It burns you.
	Well, they wanted y'all dead.
	Like, they wanted you guys dead.
	Yeah, they wanted us all dead, no doubt.
	I mean, for sure.
	When the torpedo boats got done...
	So when the first one hit, did you even feel it?
	Because you said it was right above, it was like one deck below you where it got hit.
	Did you get knocked on your ass or what happened?
	No, I didn't.
	Okay.
	I didn't.
	Because you were in that position.
	Then the second torpedo hits.
	No, just one torpedo out of five.
	Oh, okay.
	But they shot five, but only one hit.
	Yeah.
	And that's where it hit the spies below you.
	Yes.
	And blew them up.
	Blew them up.
	Do you think the ship would have been able to withstand another torpedo hit like that?
	No, absolutely not.
	You said that the ship rose up out of the water when it got hit?
	Yeah.
	This is an old World War II ship.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
	And then it broke the heel of the ship, too.
	So the ship is badly damaged.
	Approximately a 40 by 40 foot hole in it.
	Wow.
	So the torpedo boats...
	Came up alongside of us with 50 caliber machine guns and shot everything that moved.
	Now this attack lasts for an hour and a half with the torpedo boats.
	So they shot five torpedoes and they're using machine guns to shoot at you guys?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And finally the old man got communications and he says, prepare to abandon ship.
	We had only three life rafts.
	And he's saying this on a loudspeaker, I'm assuming, right?
	When this is all happening, right?
	Were you guys able to shoot back at them?
	No.
	We had nothing to shoot fire back with.
	Even the gunners that you guys had?
	Because I remember you said that you were fixing the phones that were near them.
	No one was able to jump on those gunners and shoot back.
	No.
	The.50 calibers were taken out or burned up.
	The ones on the...
	Starboard and port side?
	Yeah.
	On midships, they were on fire, especially on the starboard side.
	And they probably got blown up when the planes were hitting you guys.
	Yeah, they were...
	So by the time the ships came to torpedo you guys, you guys couldn't even defend yourselves anymore?
	No.
	We had no way to defend ourselves.
	Wow.
	How'd you even survive?
	Holy shit.
	By the grace of the good Lord.
	Thank God.
	Yeah.
	So you guys get assaulted for two hours by Aaron C., You guys have absolutely no way to defend yourselves.
	Not one shot was shot back at these fucking Israelis at all.
	And they just kept going.
	Kept going, kept going for two hours.
	What made them stop?
	Well, let me tell you about the lifeboats.
	Okay.
	We had three of them left.
	We were going to put them in the water, which we did, to put our most seriously wounded in so they'd have a chance to live.
	As soon as we put the lifeboats over, they shot two of them out of the water and took one aboard the boat as the trophy of the kill, which is a war crime.
	So you have three.
	They shot two out?
	Two out of the water.
	They wanted no survivors.
	None.
	And then the second one you said they took them?
	Took them aboard the boat as the trophy of the kill.
	I hear it's in Haifa, in a museum.
	They took the boat, not the sailors.
	The sailors were dead, I'm assuming.
	No, we never did get any sailors in them because they immediately shot them up and then took the other one with them.
	Okay, so the one that did have sailors in it, that made it to the water, they shot that one up, killed them all.
	Wait, no, no, never to get sailors in there.
	You want to chime in?
	No.
	Oh.
	No, there was not any sailors in there.
	We never had the chance to, because it was...
	Okay, so no one even got in either ship, or sorry, either lifeboat.
	No.
	The moment they dropped them, they got shot up.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the moment they got dropped them, they got shot up.
	Okay, and they took one of them as a trophy?
	Yeah, as a trophy to kill.
	And then, did any sailors, you said sailors died when they were trying to get in?
	To one of these life ships?
	No.
	Okay, alright.
	We were going to bring our most seriously wounded up.
	You were going to, okay.
	But the men that were still on deck, including myself, they were shooting.
	I went up to the bridge.
	To fight fire.
	And one of my dear friends I used to play poker with and go on the beach, drink beer, shoe pool, Francis Brown, he was the helmsman.
	And I looked at him, and we didn't say a word to each other.
	We just looked in each other's eyes.
	And...
	I went down to get more CO2. I came back and he was dead as a nail.
	Just dead as a doornail.
	Wow.
	And he was your best friend?
	Yeah.
	Very good friend.
	How was he killed?
	Did they shoot him with the machine guns?
	Yes.
	So obviously it was probably a very graphic scene when you came back.
	Because machine guns don't...
	The whole thing was graphic everywhere.
	There was blood everywhere, Myron.
	Blood everywhere.
	And body parts.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because you said these were.50 cal machine guns, right?
	.50 cal.
	Yeah, so they're ripping the body apart.
	When it was all said and done, there were over 5,000 armor-piercing bullets in the ship.
	50 cals.
	There were over 821 rocket and cannon holes on our ship.
	Napalm burnings up, and we're listening to the side about 8 to 12 degrees to the starboard side.
	I thought we were going to roll over.
	Help never did come through us then, either.
	Never.
	So the only reason they stopped is because they felt as though they, I guess, killed enough of you guys.
	Well, I think that the gig was up.
	My opinion is, they said what was a mistake in identity.
	They knew we got a message out.
	And they fessed up too quick.
	In fact, they sent, the attack wasn't over yet.
	They sent troop-carrying helicopters with Marines in them.
	To board our ship, they'd probably ladder or rope down to finish us off and kill the rest of the scuttler ship.
	Whoa.
	Yes, sir.
	True story.
	And they just left.
	There was this guy on the skid, and I'll never forget it.
	Marine with the automatic weapon.
	And I looked at him, and he looked at me, and I gave him a finger, and he looked at me and just smiled.
	And all of a sudden, they took off.
	They forgot.
	So wait, let me get this straight.
	He let you live?
	So, U.S. Marines.
	No.
	Oh.
	IDF. Okay, IDF. Okay, they're equivalent of the Marines.
	Right.
	Okay, all right.
	So they came in a helicopter later.
	To finish it off.
	To finish you guys off.
	And why don't you think they did it?
	I think, like I said, the gig was up.
	They got some messages.
	Leave them alone.
	We'll figure it out.
	and immediately the cover-up began.
	What was going through?
	So you go to get some CO2 to fight the fire.
	You come back and you see your friend.
	He's on the floor.
	Bloody.
	Bloody all over the place.
	Was he missing body parts at this point?
	Like his head was gone?
	No, he just got it right here.
	He got shot in the back of the neck.
	Yeah.
	That was a kill shot.
	Blood everywhere.
	Yeah.
	At that point, you said he was dead.
	He wasn't even...
	Yeah, he did know it hit him.
	I mean, he couldn't have...
	What went through your mind at that point seeing your best friend dead?
	You literally just saw him like seconds before and then you went to go get the CO2 so you could put out the fire.
	What was going through your mind when you walked back and you just saw him on the floor bleeding?
	My emotions were...
	My emotions were...
	Let's just say I didn't have any at that moment.
	All we had is our will and our wits to live.
	Unfortunately, he didn't make it, but we all wanted to live and we all kept on fighting to save our lives.
	The 6th Fleet was only 40 minutes away.
	They never sent a plane or anything to come over and see if we were okay.
	They didn't come help us for 17 hours.
	It took them 17 hours and they could have sent an airplane or something over to escort us or to keep us safe.
	They were hoping we would sink that night.
	That's exactly what they were hoping.
	How could this old World War ship with that kind of damage survive through the night without sinking?
	It was almost impossible.
	We shored up what we could.
	We did what we could.
	Plugged up holes, things like this.
	And we waited until the next morning.
	USS America got there and USS Davis.
	Some of the crew of the Davis came over and helped to shore up the bulkheads.
	They departed.
	Maybe there was one or two that came into port with us.
	Myron, they sent us.
	Think about this.
	A thousand miles away to Malta when the nearest port was Crete.
	So they still wanted us to sink.
	Yeah.
	They wanted us dead, all of us.
	Too many witnesses.
	Too many witnesses, absolutely.
	Why couldn't you go on the boats that helped you fill up the holes?
	Why couldn't you go on those boats?
	The ones that came to aid you.
	Well, they did take the wounded off the most seriously.
	And the people on the Davis come over to help us show up the bulkheads and do things like that.
	But they got all the most seriously wounded off.
	I was the walking wounded.
	I stayed with the ship.
	And so we were supposed to go to, like I said, Malta and Crete was closer.
	But, you know, that was a thousand miles.
	Yeah.
	Going about four and a half, five knots.
	That took forever, probably.
	Do you know how many of you were still, like, alive when they came?
	Yeah, there was, uh, out of a crew of 294.
	There's everybody both spies.
	And ship's company.
	Yeah.
	There was 34 killed initially, and 174 others wounded.
	Some so seriously, you couldn't even hardly look at them.
	That night, I helped in operations with Doc Evey.
	We had one doctor aboard ship.
	He was wounded in the abdomen and his knees.
	He had a life jacket on.
	To keep his guts in.
	And I believe the old man said, hey, what do you got the life check on?
	You're scaring everybody.
	And he said, I have to, man.
	My guts are falling out.
	The first guy we operated on was Gary Blanchard.
	And he was laying on the table.
	The whole mess decks and sick bay and everything.
	This is before the aid came, by the way.
	Yes.
	This is after the attacks were done.
	And that night, we were trying to patch people up and save their lives.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the whole...
	How many medics were on board at this point?
	There were two corpsmen and one doctor, Dr.
	Richard Kiefer.
	One doctor and two medics?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And they told me to go up and help him, which I did.
	I was holding a battle lantern, a big light, so he could operate on him.
	Yeah.
	And Gary said, my feet are hot, my feet are hot.
	So I took his socks off and rubbed his feet.
	I went over by his side and he looked at me and he says, you think I'm going to live?
	And I said, no, I don't think you are, man.
	You told him just like that?
	You told him that to his face?
	Yes.
	Now you're a base, bro.
	Yeah.
	Damn!
	The doc cut him open and he was dead.
	He put a couple stitches in him, put him over the side, went on the next one.
	This went on all night.
	Passions and operations.
	As I said, the whole mess was a sea of bodies, broken men, and blood.
	On the decks, on the mess tables, everywhere.
	What were your injuries?
	I just had shrapnel.
	Just had shrapnel?
	Yeah.
	I mean...
	So you're bleeding a bit?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I was fine.
	Okay.
	I was lucky.
	How many guys were there like you that had minimal injuries?
	Probably 50.
	50 of you guys that were able-bodied and can help?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	And then, like I say, the whole ship came together helping everybody.
	CTs, everybody.
	We were right there helping everybody on the mistakes, you know, trying to take care of them.
	So, 50 that were pretty much good, able-bodied, and then how many were seriously injured, would you say?
	20, 30?
	Oh, I'd say more than that.
	75, 80.
	75, 80, seriously injured?
	Mm-hmm.
	And then how many were just, I guess, maybe a gunshot wound here that wasn't fatal?
	Yeah, another 50 or 60.
	Okay.
	And then we know 34 were killed immediately.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And that was probably from the torpedo hit, I'm assuming?
	25 got the torpedo.
	They were killed.
	And then the other nine were killed on deck or on the bridge.
	Okay.
	A friend of mine, Mickey LeMay, he's still got 50 pieces of shrapnel in him right now.
	Wow.
	50 pieces.
	What was the conversation like?
	So...
	The ships are gone.
	The planes are gone.
	At this point, you guys know who attacked you.
	What was the conversation like?
	What was the sentiment on the boat?
	What was everyone saying?
	We couldn't believe it.
	I mean, why would our best friends attack us?
	And really the most getting pissed off and pissed off came the next day.
	And the day after that, when Admiral Isaac Kidd boarded our ship.
	Admiral who?
	Isaac Kidd.
	Okay, and he was on the other USS ship, right?
	One of the warships when he came?
	He was one, I don't know exactly what ship he was on, or if it was flown in right away or whatever.
	And this is 17 hours later, right?
	Yeah, well, it was two days after he got aboard our ship.
	Okay, so it kind of had settled in.
	Two days later, 48 hours later, after you guys had been attacked, he comes on.
	What did he tell you guys when he boarded the ship?
	Well, he got us in small groups, and he told people, just tell them what happened.
	Okay, he said, tell them what happened, the truth.
	Yeah, the truth, and we thought that was a good thing.
	When he said tell them, who did he mean specifically them?
	Well, tell me and the JAG officer what happened.
	And they were taking notes and all this stuff.
	Was it NCIS that came?
	Naval Criminal Investigation Service?
	Yes.
	Well, JAG, he was a JAG officer.
	Okay.
	But he wasn't a NSA, whatever they call him.
	Okay, NCIS, okay.
	Yeah.
	And I was in sickbay with four or five other guys.
	That's where we were supposed to go.
	That's where he was talking to us at.
	He took off his stars, threw them on the stainless steel table.
	It rained like a bell, and I've said this before.
	We told him all what we thought.
	Why didn't you help us and all this stuff?
	He got to me, and I told him the same thing.
	I said, Admiral, why did—because he's our dad now.
	We trust him, you know.
	And when I got done telling him, why didn't help come?
	Why would Israel do this?
	Several other pointed questions that I don't think he liked.
	And I really found out he didn't like them when he put his stars back.
	And he says, I'm not your dad anymore.
	Now I'm an admiral.
	And he looked at me and he got beet red, Myron.
	He says, If you ever repeat what you just told me, I'll make sure you end up in prison or worse.
	And everybody knew what worse meant.
	When he told you this, was there anyone else in the room?
	It was just you?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	A couple other sailors, right?
	Five more.
	Five more.
	And you ask these questions, viable questions.
	Why did Israel attack us?
	Why didn't hell come?
	Why did it take you so long?
	And he said, if you ever repeat these questions, you'll be put in prison or worse.
	Worse.
	And you never talk about it, even with your shipmates.
	They spread the whole crew all over the world.
	So we couldn't talk to each other.
	So everyone that was on the USS Liberty that day, they pretty much got assignments completely spread apart.
	Yes.
	They separated us all.
	Now, when you guys had this conversation, this is two days later, was this on land?
	At sea.
	It was at sea.
	So he actually came out to the Liberty?
	Yes.
	So they didn't come to ask for care.
	They came to ask to see what you knew, to figure out where you were at.
	Yeah.
	And then they told us to shut up.
	Were you the only person that, like, spoke up and said, hey, why the fuck did Israel do this?
	No, there was others.
	Others too?
	Okay.
	But our testimony was redacted from the Board of Inquiry.
	They didn't have it in there.
	They censored it.
	When did you guys have this board?
	It started two days after, and it lasted seven days.
	The Board of Inquiry should have lasted at least six months to a year.
	Yeah.
	They didn't take our word.
	They took Israelis' words over our words.
	They took the people that murdered us and murdered us all over our word.
	They said it was mistaken identity, and that's what they went with.
	So Admiral John S. McCain Jr., he was the commander of European Forces Europe, ordered Isaac Kidd and Ward, Boston, to find it was a mistaken identity.
	And those orders came from LBJ. Mistaken identity.
	And that's what the Board of Inquiry said.
	Okay.
	It was a mistaken identity, and that's what they're still saying now.
	The Congress says there's been many official investigations about the USSR. There's never been one, not one.
	They're all liars.
	They're protecting the murderers that tried to kill us all.
	So you've only been questioned about this event one time in your life, and it was back then with the Admiral, right?
	Right.
	Right.
	You've never had a criminal investigator or spoken maybe at a hearing or anything else like that under oath.
	The only time you've ever been questioned about this was back in 1967 by the admiral.
	You told him exactly what you thought and he told you if you ever repeat this, you will go to prison or worse.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And fucking credible.
	I know.
	It's still hard to take.
	But we had, you know, like...
	We did have some congressmen.
	Pete McCluskey out of California, Paul Finley of Illinois, and of course Jim Traficant out of Ohio.
	And Cynthia McKinney tried to help us too, but they run her out of Congress.
	Yeah.
	So, there was a very few people that wanted to help us.
	In fact, nobody wants to help us in the Congress.
	They all got APAC handlers.
	Yep.
	And, you know, Tom Massey revealed that here, what, about a month ago?
	Yeah, on Tucker Carlson.
	Yep.
	They all got APAC handlers.
	So, I guess they tell them exactly what to do and what the foreign policy is and whatever they want.
	That's incredible to me that you've only been questioned about this once, officially.
	Officially, absolutely.
	Two days after the fact, and they told you you would go to prison if you talked about it again.
	Did they make you guys sign any nondisclosures or any other forms like that, or no?
	Yes.
	They did?
	Yeah.
	A lot of the most seriously wounded got maybe $80,000, $90,000, which they well deserved for all their injuries.
	Of course.
	I personally got $200.
	What?
	Yeah, $200.
	And that was for damage from my clothes, they said.
	But most of the crew got less than $200 or $300.
	The ship was worth $40 million.
	Yeah.
	And Israel settled for $6 million for a $40 million ship to pay the most seriously wounded and the dead, the men that were killed.
	And the U.S. government came out of the U.S. Treasury.
	Our government paid it, not Israel.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	That's how convoluted it is.
	And talking about Congress, it's been that way ever since 1967.
	They've never investigated it then.
	They're not investigating it now.
	From every president, from LBJ to Biden, they want nothing to do with us.
	Because we can prove that our own government colluded with the Zionist state to sink our unarmed ship, the finest spy ship in the world, blame it on the Arab states, and start a nuclear war.
	There were SAC aircraft in the air even before they fired on us.
	They were headed to Egypt.
	And they were called back at the last second.
	There were submarines under us.
	USS Jackson and the Amberjack.
	These were nuclear subs.
	At least Jackson was.
	There were Russian subs there, ready to launch on Israel the Temple Mount.
	They needed something reflected to hit it.
	And that's how close we came.
	How many lives we saved by not sinking is incongruable.
	Probably millions of lives.
	If we sink like they want it and blame it on a foreign country, it was a land grab, just like they're getting right now.
	So the goal of that attack was to blame it on the Arabs, kill all the witnesses, and say it was Egypt that attacked the United States.
	Absolutely.
	And our government was in on it, and Israel was in on it, and they're still in on it.
	Because that's why they don't want the truth told.
	They're just waiting for us to die out.
	And guys like John, he's here to carry on when we're all dead and gone.
	You know, my son, Bryce, he's going to get involved.
	We've got some good people.
	But we need people like you to spread the word.
	I mean, I tell you what, man.
	It's my honor to be here.
	God bless you.
	No, it's my honor to host this podcast and speak to you as a survivor and thank you for your service and this is absolutely fucking atrocious that this happened And most Americans don't know about it.
	They don't.
	This is like hidden history.
	You know, I wasn't kidding around when I named the title of the show, The Most Censored Event in U.S. History, and I truly do think so, because they don't want you to know this, right?
	We know who runs the government.
	We know who runs, obviously, Congress.
	And the fact that Lyndon B. Johnson said, just let these sailors die, who cares?
	It's crazy to me.
	Yeah, it is crazy.
	To sacrifice Americans doing their duty on the high seas for a false flag to get us into war.
	And the thing that kills me is that you guys were out there to help Israel.
	You guys were there to collect information and intelligence from the Arabs to assist Israel.
	And they did that to you?
	Yeah, well, true and not true.
	I think this attack was planned probably a year in advance or more.
	But I'm saying you guys were out there to help them, is what I'm saying.
	You guys were out there to help them, and they repaid you by trying to kill you.
	Yeah, to kill us all.
	Yeah.
	To kill us all.
	But what they did, this just wasn't a spur-of-the-moment deal.
	It was planned way in advance.
	Way in advance.
	Well, there's a reason why they didn't want to give you the warship escort, right?
	Right, absolutely.
	One of the intel guys was on the ship.
	Like, do you think, like, maybe someone...
	Because you said the captain, he was there on a ship with you guys, and you asked for a warship escort, and he denied it.
	Why would he do that if he's putting his own life in danger if he's on the ship?
	No, he didn't deny it.
	Someone above him?
	Yeah.
	Okay, because he asked for it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so did Dave Lewis.
	He was the chief spy aboard the ship.
	Gotcha.
	So you're...
	The top of the brass on the ship requested it, and they denied them.
	They denied it all.
	Did Dave Lewis survive?
	Yes, he did.
	When the torpedo hit, he was in the spaces where the CTs were.
	And he took the blast face on.
	And it burned his eyes.
	He couldn't even open up his eyelids.
	Burned his face.
	He had like, he said, 30 years of pain on him.
	And he went aboard a ship.
	And Admiral Geis...
	I told him, hey man, this is what happened.
	And Admiral Geist swarmed his secrecy until Admiral Geist died.
	And then David was a very honorable, great man.
	He retired as a commander.
	And then he opened up and said, you know, this is the deal.
	He kept his word.
	We all know what happened.
	We all know why it happened.
	And we just...
	Hey, you talk about Fox News or Newsmax.
	Hey, listen.
	Okay, you got Newsmax.
	You got Carl Higby, Greg Kelly.
	These guys are old military guys.
	They won't touch us.
	You know, when they attacked us, they attacked all of us.
	They attacked every serviceman in that area.
	It's an act of war.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And Captain Tully, when he was at one of our reunions, he was crying, saying, man, I tried to help you guys, I just couldn't.
	That's how it affected him.
	And then they took his command away for him even before he got back to port.
	That was in 67, because he sent aircraft to us.
	But it got turned back.
	It got turned back and they relieved him.
	Because he didn't want to take orders from, you said Nakamura?
	McNamara.
	McNamara, who was the Secretary of Defense at the time.
	Is that him?
	Yeah.
	There he is.
	That's Dave Lewis.
	Right after the attack.
	Right after the attack.
	Yeah, his eyes were sure shut.
	They had to cut his eyelids open so he could see.
	You know, people always think that false flags and our allies attacking us is something that's unfathomable, but it actually, like, the USS Liberty, when you really look at it, right, it was a false flag attempt to get us to blame the Arabs, right?
	Yes, sir.
	Luckily, we had some witnesses that are alive to tell the story like you're telling now.
	I mean, what's to stop them with JFK or 9-11?
	Nothing.
	Right?
	It's like 9-11, people get, if I mention, hey, yeah, Israel was involved in 9-11, oh, that's an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
	Well, is it really?
	We know that they attacked us, like, 100% confirmed in 67, killed our servicemen.
	You don't think they're going to blow up a fucking building with innocent people, too?
	And blame it on some dude in a fucking cave?
	If you look at it from a historical standpoint, I mean, back then, they literally took out the Son of God.
	So what are they gonna do to us?
	They don't care.
	We're pawns in this game.
	They killed Jesus.
	And I feel like the service members that work to protect the country are pawns to their desires because they're making plans, informing the people that are working hard to protect the country what's happening and saying, go over here, go do this.
	But what's the main goal?
	They don't know, but the higher-ups know.
	That's messed up.
	So, mainstream media won't touch you guys.
	We know who runs mainstream media.
	Yeah.
	What has, I guess, been some of the, like, because I'm sure they've done everything in their power to silence you and censor you.
	Have you gotten, like, death threats for coming out with the story?
	Have you been harassed?
	Have you been, you know, what has happened, I guess, post when you try to tell the story?
	Yes, I've been harassed and death threats and my wife and I were In San Diego, at the bar, getting a drink, waiting to get a table, have dinner.
	This guy come up beside me and sat down right next to me.
	He says, yo, you were on the USS Liberty, huh?
	And I said, yeah, I was.
	How'd you know that?
	And he had a big watch on, and he put it right up my face.
	I said, what are you doing?
	Is that a camera?
	What are you doing?
	What's this all about?
	I didn't know what the hell it was.
	I pushed it out of the way.
	Yeah, what year was this?
	Oh, this is...
	Well, actually, it was back probably 14 years ago.
	I thought it was earlier than that, but it was about 14 years ago.
	Okay, so, alright.
	It's like 2005 or something?
	Yeah, in that area.
	Mid-2000s.
	He said, if you know what's good for you, you're going to shut your mouth.
	Or 2010, actually.
	Yeah.
	And my wife was there, Lisa.
	So he tells you, if you know what's good for you, shut your mouth?
	Yeah.
	My wife went nuts on him.
	Fuck you.
	I mean, she was more pissed off than I was.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What a fucking weirdo.
	Yeah.
	Was he a Jewish guy?
	Well, he said he was Mossad.
	Oh, come on.
	If he was or not, the message was clear anyway.
	They had security to take us up to our room.
	That's how bad it got.
	The next day I went down and talked to the bar manager.
	I said, do you know this guy?
	Well, he's been coming in here a couple days saying he was a doctor.
	So he was checking it out before I got there.
	They must have got my credit card or whatever.
	Or maybe somebody in the hotel told me I was going to stay there.
	Who knows?
	I want to put it past, you know, the Mossad, man.
	I mean, look, I mean, we know for a fact when 9-11 happened, those dancing Israelis that they talk about, those guys were Israeli intel.
	Yeah.
	Watching the event happen, taking pictures and documenting it and dancing and celebrating and, you know, and then they passed, they failed polygraph tests and two of them had ties to the Israeli agency, so...
	Yeah, I mean, I don't put anything past Israel anymore.
	I really don't.
	No.
	They stole secrets from us.
	They attacked our service members.
	Jonathan Pollard, look at that guy.
	He was treated as an Israeli hero when he got back to Israel.
	He was met at the tarmac by Netanyahu.
	I didn't know that.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, he got in a jet.
	Sheldon Adelson's plane, which is one of the biggest mega-donors.
	He's dead now, but Miriam Adelson is giving Trump $100 million.
	She's the biggest Republican donor.
	You know, obviously he's INS Jew.
	He gets on a plane, Pollard, with Sheldon Adelson, gets to Israel.
	He's great at the tarmac by Netanyahu.
	And he had a very comfortable life.
	Yeah, and he's in Israel now, to this day.
	One of the worst spies in American history.
	Sold our secrets to the Russians.
	Yes, he did.
	Yes, he did.
	I mean, that's incongruable, but they do it.
	I mean, it's all against this country.
	What's so bad about this country?
	Well, we're bought and paid for by the Zionist state.
	Yeah.
	And I believe that wholeheartedly, and I don't care who knows it.
	We are.
	We are.
	I mean, the fact that we haven't...
	You know, if any other country had done that to the USS Liberty, they would have got nuked into fucking oblivion.
	Oh, yeah.
	This is the only...
	Look at Pearl Harbor.
	Something similar.
	Attacked our ships.
	Absolutely.
	And they fucking blew Nagasaki and Hiroshima up with nuclear bombs.
	This is the only time in American history, and especially naval history, That a ship has been attacked by a foreign government, and our government didn't retaliate.
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	It's the only time.
	Do you think if Kennedy was in office, he would have let that slide?
	If Kennedy was in office, we'd never had Dimona.
	Boom.
	Yep.
	He didn't want that.
	Yeah.
	And all of a sudden, he gets assassinated.
	Do you think anyone can...
	Fix this issue?
	Yeah, I do.
	I think the American people can.
	With shows like this, with patriots like you guys, hell yeah, we can fix it.
	We can fight back like hell and let everybody know.
	But hey, this is our country.
	We belong here.
	We were born here.
	We love this country.
	I love this country, but I don't love what's going on with it.
	And I haven't for 57 years.
	I didn't even talk about it to my wife for 18 years.
	I just forgot it was old.
	I forgot even the date it happened.
	Wow.
	You tried to just bury it in your memory.
	It was gone.
	It was just gone.
	You know, listening to the story, I have vivid images in my head like I can imagine.
	I can barely even imagine what went down, seeing your shipmates decimated, body parts all over the place, arms, legs, torsos, blood everywhere.
	Your best friend shot in the back of the neck bleeding everywhere.
	I can't even imagine it.
	Like, how did you...
	When did you get out of the military?
	I got out on December the 12th, 1967.
	Okay.
	It was about three months shy of four years.
	Okay.
	So literally a couple months after the attack, you were out.
	December the 12th, I was out.
	How did you...
	I mean, this is something that...
	Is unfathomable.
	No one experiences it.
	How did you cope?
	How did you make it through?
	Were you able to acclimate back into civilian life?
	How long did it take you?
	It took me a while.
	I was on a death spiral.
	I was drinking a lot.
	I wasn't a druggie or nothing like that, but I was drinking too much.
	As soon as you got out?
	Yeah, I got a DUI and all that stuff.
	And I was just, I had no ambition.
	I felt like a piece of shit.
	My own government thought I was a piece of shit.
	Did you choose to not go back in because of the obvious incident with the USS Liberty?
	Well, I did go back in.
	You did go back in, okay.
	Yeah, because I was married and I had a baby and I didn't have a good job.
	Gotcha, okay.
	So I went back in.
	That's when I got aboard USS Maddox, DD-731.
	And I stayed there for a few years and got out and I was done.
	And that's when I talked to the guys about the Maddox.
	They said, that didn't happen, Phil.
	That never happened.
	It was never attacked.
	They said the U.S.'s liberty was never attacked?
	No, the Maddox.
	Oh, okay.
	That's what started in the Tonkin Gulf.
	Oh, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	With Vietnam.
	Another false flag.
	Yep.
	To get...
	Well, Johnson and Water's War.
	Like Johnson said, when Kennedy died to his buddies in Israel, you may have lost a friend, Kennedy, but I'm a better friend.
	And he was.
	You definitely was.
	Definitely was.
	Carved up the liberty, suspended inspections of...
	Demona.
	Demona.
	Didn't make them register an affair.
	Well, yeah.
	AIPAC is a...
	Monster now.
	Yeah.
	Thanks to Linda B. Johnson.
	Yeah.
	And the ADL is the arm of the Zionist government.
	I mean, come on.
	Have they ever tried to harass you?
	ADL? Well, I've had phones.
	I've had threats on the internet.
	But those are people that...
	They want you to shut up.
	And they try to intimidate you.
	As we were talking earlier, you don't take away your livelihood, your credibility, who you are.
	You know, the USS Liberty Survivors are some of the most bravest, honest, gallant crew I had the honor to serve with.
	Every one of these men are American heroes.
	And us speaking out now for the USS Liberty, like I said, we're a small group, and I know you're going to put up the website.
	Yeah, let's pull it up real quick, real fast, if you guys want to support, because we need justice for these guys, man.
	This is fucking pissing me off listening to this story that we haven't done anything to these dickheads that attacked us.
	And here's the website right here, guys.
	It's ussliberty.org, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Help us bring the true story of the attack on the U.S.'s liberty to the American people, June 8, 1967.
	You guys can see here, that is the ship after the attack.
	Oh my God.
	Look at that.
	Fucking what?
	Now that helicopter, that came off the U.S.'s America, taken and wounded off.
	And look at that ship, how beat up it is.
	Yeah.
	It's bad.
	The fact that anyone can, and you can see it leaning in the water, too.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like, the fact that anyone was even able to survive is a miracle, man.
	It is.
	Two-hour assault.
	It is a miracle.
	Hey, where can you go?
	There's nowhere to hide, there's nowhere to run.
	Yeah, yeah, look, it's an open ship.
	It's like, what the hell, man?
	Yeah, it was completely unreal.
	Yeah.
	And people can donate here to the cause, guys.
	Obviously, they're pursuing justice.
	Can you guys tell us a little bit about what the goal is here?
	Obviously, bringing awareness is very important, right?
	That's where we step in.
	But what is the goal with the website and bringing awareness?
	The goal is to make sure those 34 American heroes did not die in vain because they've been treated like shit for the last 57 years.
	In the mass grave, I think you've showed that or have you yet?
	No, we haven't.
	We could show right now the grave.
	Yeah.
	I think it's the next one.
	Yeah, that's the...
	Oh, is it?
	No.
	Oh, is that one?
	Yeah, that's...
	Okay, go back.
	I'm sorry.
	No, no, no.
	That's the mass grave.
	Okay, yeah, this is the mass grave.
	And you guys can see there the 34 roses for those that died on that day.
	And, John, can you tell them a little bit about what it said prior?
	Which that was really...
	Okay, can you tell...
	Yeah.
	Well, it said died in the eastern Mediterranean.
	And like Admiral Moore said, died.
	They were killed.
	It's like they got in a car wreck or something.
	You can see on the bottom there, Myron, you see how it's kind of darker down there?
	Yeah.
	They've rubbed all that off and killed aboard USS Liberty.
	But it doesn't say by who.
	It doesn't say by who.
	And all the wards we've got, the USS Liberty is the most decorated ship in naval history.
	Medal of Honor, Navy Crosses, Silver Stars, Bronze Stars with a V, 208 Purple Hearts, Combat Action Ribbon, Presidential Unit Citation.
	So yeah, and they're hiding that.
	In fact, the Medal of Honor was given to our captain at the Navy Yard.
	In Little Creek.
	Usually it's given by the president.
	It wasn't.
	It was given in a secure location.
	They don't want anybody to know.
	No, no news about it.
	Yeah, no news.
	Give them the medal with no media.
	No nothing.
	Because they don't want to ask questions about, oh, well, what happened on this day?
	Absolutely.
	And fuck incredible, man.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then they try to say they don't control the media.
	It's anti-Semitic to say they control the media.
	Yeah, it's anti-Semitic.
	Hey, listen, I'll tell you what.
	Fucking bullshit.
	Call me anti-Semitic.
	We've been called anti-Semitic Jew-haters and Nazis for telling the truth.
	Of course.
	And if you bring that other picture, please, of the monument.
	You know what I say when they try to say I'm anti-Semitic?
	I'm like, but am I a liar?
	Yes, and you're not a liar.
	Fuck you guys.
	This monument here was made in my hometown, Cedar Ridge, Colorado.
	That rocket hole is a real rocket hole.
	From the ship?
	Yes.
	Oh, wow.
	You see the medals down below.
	Interesting story.
	We tried to get this monument in a place of great honor, like the Naval Museum, and they didn't want it.
	We tried to get it at the Naval Museum.
	Is it Annapolis?
	No, the Naval Museum is in Little Creek or Norfolk.
	Okay.
	And they have a museum of all kinds of different artifacts.
	But they didn't want it.
	The National Security Agency didn't want it.
	The Cold War Museum didn't want it.
	But Terry Haldebarty, or excuse me, Terry McFarlane, He wouldn't give up.
	He found a place for it.
	Right close to where John lives, post 4809 VFW post, they voted and they took it 100%.
	So it's other veterans helping other veterans.
	Yeah.
	So we need all the veterans out here to help us.
	That's crazy that the museums don't want it in there, and that's obviously by design as well.
	Oh, absolutely.
	They don't want people to know.
	And that's a $150,000 monument right there.
	Wow.
	Here on the back, it's got more of the attack, but it shows, you know, pretty much what's going on in the airplanes and everything and the two carriers and SOS. Don, you want to chime in?
	Yeah.
	So I want to mention something about that rocket hole.
	Mm-hmm.
	When they, when Phil and them, and this story Phil has told me, when Phil got to Malta and they were doing the repairs, Phil discovered that they were trying to cover it up.
	What they were doing before they sold it is they were...
	They were repairing the ship, so when they got back to Little Creek...
	That's why they wanted you guys to go all the way over there.
	Yes.
	Well, they wanted them to sink.
	Instead of going into Crete, they wanted them to sink because it's 1,000 miles away.
	Yeah.
	So with that rocket ship, or with that rocket hole, Phil realized that they were trying to cover it up.
	And being a young man, he had the clarity to start cutting them out and saving these.
	Phil saved, would you say, like 40 of them?
	And that's one of the only rocket holes from the boat left.
	And that's why we have physical evidence, because Phil Turney himself had the mental wherewithal to actually go, hey, they're trying to cover this up.
	So I wanted to point that out about that.
	So it wasn't enough that they tried to kill you.
	It wasn't enough that they sent the IDF over there in helicopters to try to finish you guys off.
	off.
	It wasn't enough that they told you to go sail a thousand miles away knowing that you probably more than likely won't make the voyage and you'll probably sink when you could have just went to Crete.
	Like, they had to go ahead and add insult to injury and try to fucking fix the ship up and cover up the attack.
	And that...
	That beautiful, beautiful monument.
	There was a lady in Cedar Ridge, Colorado.
	She does veterans monuments.
	I mean, you can see how beautiful that was done.
	Kathy Meskel.
	And I asked her, I said, would you be interested in please making a monument for us?
	And she said, let me think about it.
	I said, you get in trouble for doing it, first of all.
	And about a day later, she says, I don't give a shit.
	We're going to do it.
	Nice.
	Yeah, and so...
	You need brave people like that, man.
	Yeah, yeah, she's a good person.
	And got that done for us, her and her artists.
	She designed everything.
	Of course, I helped her with the design and stuff, but it's a beautiful monument.
	It's all marble.
	It's the same marble that all the monuments are made in.
	And this is in Denver?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, that was in C-Race, but the same marble in that monument.
	It's in Norfolk, Virginia.
	In Norfolk, Virginia.
	Okay, okay.
	So people want to see it.
	Yeah, it's at the VFW 4809.
	4809.
	Yeah, I'm also part of the post as well.
	So it's our VFW post 4809.
	Okay.
	But that marble is the same marble that all the monuments are made in Washington, D.C. Come out of the same quarry.
	Gotcha, okay.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Yeah, I mean, that is a crazy story, the USS Liberty.
	It's something that, you know, they don't talk about in history much ever, you know, and it's probably one of the most tragic situations, probably, I would say, one of the most censored events because it's crazy that, like, the media won't talk to you guys.
	So, I saw a documentary on this recently, and they mentioned that Israel gave the survivors money.
	Is that true or no?
	Six million, you said?
	They love that number, six.
	Yeah, six.
	They said they paid six million, but they didn't do it.
	The government did.
	But it's minuscule.
	It's a $40 million ship.
	Even at that time, 40 million bucks.
	What is today?
	So they gave that, or they were coerced into giving it.
	Our government paid it.
	And like I say, when I got the 200 bucks, it said on there, you could never sue Israel or the United States.
	Really?
	Yes.
	And at that time, I didn't give a shit.
	I just wanted it over with.
	Yeah, you wanted to get out your head.
	Yeah, I was done.
	You said you didn't talk about it for 18 years, right?
	18 years until I saw an article in the old Rocky Mountain News.
	From Stan White, an E9 chief.
	He was a spy.
	He wrote about it, and I felt the whole world come off my shoulders.
	Because I never told my wife I was in the military.
	Then when I went home and I told her about it, she's been steadfast with me 100% all the way doing this, and she's been helping me do it for the last damn near 40 years.
	What motivated you to say, I'm going to come out, I'm going to talk about this, everyone is going to know that Israel betrayed us on that day?
	Because I was pissed off that they got by with cold-blooded murder, and we're witnesses to cold-blooded murder.
	They put a gun to my head, too, and pulled the trigger and pulled the trigger.
	Luckily, I didn't get killed, but the other guys did.
	One got seriously wounded.
	You can't forget something like that.
	They take the word of the Zionist state, the idea of a mistaken identity over the people that were there, instead of American servicemen, the most highly decorated there are, They don't take our word.
	They take their attackers' word.
	You ever heard of that one before?
	Unacceptable.
	Unacceptable.
	So you said you didn't speak about it for 18 years, and then you saw this article come in the news.
	Is that what prompted you to say, I'm going to go public with this?
	Like, what was the motivating factor for you to say, I'm going to come out now?
	The motivating factor is I had to get it off my chest, and I've been getting it off my chest ever since.
	And when you saw the news article post out, you said, I got to do the same?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I felt relieved.
	I felt great.
	I mean, I felt...
	So this is what, the 80s at this point?
	Yes, it was back in like 84, 85.
	Okay.
	So you're like, you're at this point, because when you're attacked, you're 18 years old.
	Yeah, so you're like 40 years old at this point.
	Right.
	And you know, I'll bring up another interesting point too, Myron.
	Back in 89, 1989, about a year before that, I did an article in the old Spotlight newspaper.
	Now it's American Free Press.
	I don't know if you've ever heard of it.
	Willis Carto owned it then.
	He invited me to D.C. I did a speech there.
	And Tricia Katzen did a very fine article.
	In two...
	Entrepreneurs, very rich men, they're from Sweden.
	In fact, one of them made a deal with Ford Motor Company because they made better transmissions than Ford.
	So they bought the patent.
	But anyway, when we were dedicating the monument, We had to have a SWAT team there on the roofs.
	This was a library, Phil.
	You're talking about the library.
	Right.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	They did a library.
	We're not talking about the monument.
	No, I thought I mentioned the library.
	No, he's talking about...
	So there was a library in Wisconsin, right, Phil?
	Crafton.
	Yeah, in Crafton, Wisconsin.
	And these guys wanted to name it something else.
	The Grope Brothers.
	Yeah.
	And then...
	Grope Library.
	What happened is...
	And Ernie Gallo, another survivor, has written a book about all the atrocities that have happened to the survivors, and this is one of them, where they had a library, and the Grope Brothers were going to name it the USS Memorial Library.
	And what happened was, this was the 80s, People called in bomb threats, sniper threats, so they had to have a SWAT team there when they dedicated this library to the USS Liberty.
	With dogs, bomb dogs, and all that.
	Because these fucking assholes would try to SWAT you guys.
	Yeah, well, you know, the Milwaukee...
	ADL and APAC came down on us, said, you guys are nothing but you haters and Nazis, for wanting to have a memorial about our ship.
	And the library's still standing, USS Liberty Memorial Library.
	In fact, they didn't have- Tell them the truth, it's anti-Semitic.
	Yeah, it's anti-Semitic.
	Fuck those guys.
	Yeah.
	And they had on their U.S. something library, U.S. Liberty Library.
	Wow.
	And they said, no, that isn't it.
	So Ben had to pay another $50,000 if he had Memorial put on there.
	That's how closed up it was.
	It was just terrible.
	Bad.
	You know, and it's funny because conservative creators, I got two clips here.
	When they're questioned about this, I want to show you guys this real quick and then we'll wrap up the show.
	Let's go ahead and show the Ben Shapiro one real fast.
	Because if you talk about the USS Liberty, man, these other YouTubers will never talk about it.
	Hit play.
	They get the questions about Israel and suggesting that if you're pro-Israel, this means prioritizing America of Israel.
	That's absolute nonsense.
	If America had a policy that was not good for Israel but was good for America, I would back it.
	They talk about the USS Liberty incident.
	Wait, when has he ever done this?
	He's never done this.
	I would.
	That's a very easy hypothetical.
	There have been multiple studies, U.S. Navy, Joint Chiefs of Staff, CIA, House, Senate, NSA. Most of the reports, according to historian Richard Brownell, do not assign culpability for the incident.
	They focus on communications failures.
	I have to say I'm a little bit bewilder why you're so obsessed with an incident that is now 52 years old.
	If you have theories that are better than those of the American...
	So, we're obsessed with something that's 52 years old.
	See how he tries to down it like it's not that serious?
	And, oh yeah, it was a miscommunication.
	Well, which one is it?
	Is it a miscommunication or is it mistaken identity?
	Like, which one is it?
	Well, a lot of what Ben Shapiro is talking about, they're lies put out by Jay Kristol.
	Jay Crystal.
	Jay Crystal, yeah.
	He wrote a bunch of shit.
	Is he related to Bill Crystal?
	I'm not for sure.
	Can we Google that real quick?
	Jay Crystal real quick?
	I'm almost certain this guy's a neocon as well.
	But Jay Crystal put out a bunch of lies about the USS Liberty.
	And that's what they're spousing.
	That's the shit that's coming out of their mouth is their lies.
	And it's funny because the USS Liberty Veterans Association actually has a $10,000 Challenge.
	They'll pay anybody $10,000 to prove Jay Crystal's What is it?
	To prove Jay Crystal's bullshit isn't wise.
	Yeah.
	Well, another interesting part.
	I went to the State Department.
	A.J. Crystal was on the panel.
	You know, five.
	And Michael Oren, he was on there.
	And James Bamford, he was the only one sticking up for him.
	He wrote The Puzzle Palace and Body of Secrets.
	There were two survivors there.
	Myself and one other fellow, he's passed on, I can't remember it, but they said we could talk after they said all this stuff about mistaken identity.
	I got up to the mic, and this is at the State Department, and they shut the mic down.
	They wouldn't let me talk.
	So that's the power in our State Department.
	They don't want people to know the truth, man.
	And who runs the State Department now?
	Anthony Blinken.
	Jew.
	Yeah.
	Then we got here, Turning Point.
	This is Charlie Kirk is asked this question.
	And he also kind of evades it as well.
	Let's play that clip.
	Sure.
	So I have a question.
	So from America First perspective, why do we give 3.8 billion dollars to Israel, which is more aid than we've given to Africa, more aid than we've given to South America, and more aid than we've given to the Caribbean combined, which is home to a billion poor people, especially when they deliberately attacked the USS Liberty in the 1970s.
	That is incorrect.
	Do not peddle conspiracy theories in our event.
	That is not acceptable.
	Do not say that.
	Okay, Dean Rusk disagrees with you and he was in Secretary of State at the time, but that's fine.
	And then the second part is also you have the Apollo incident in which they illegally stole weapons-grade uranium.
	I love how he said you're not going to peddle conspiracy theories here.
	It's a verified fact that Israel attacked us.
	You literally have a survivor right here.
	Absolutely.
	Come on, man.
	That's fucking crazy.
	See how the big conservative...
	That's Charlie Kirk.
	They try to minimize it.
	Like, oh, why are you so obsessed with an event that happened 50 years ago?
	Why are you peddling conspiracy theories in our event?
	It's fucking true.
	Well, they talk about Vietnam.
	They talk about World War II. Yeah, you can talk about all that shit.
	Yeah, but not the USS Liberty.
	Hell no.
	It's covered up.
	The most censored event in American history is the USS Liberty.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Fucking crazy, man.
	You know, I want to give a shout-out to my family.
	They're watching this, and I know they're all appreciative of the time you've given myself and John.
	No, this is important, man.
	This is really important.
	I think, you know, these big conservative channels are not going to have a conversation like this.
	We will.
	You know, we'll go places that other people won't.
	We'll challenge narratives that people never will.
	We'll challenge states that people never will.
	So I'm happy to do it.
	Proud to do it.
	Thank you, thank you.
	So thank you.
	I'm just glad that you're here with us to tell the story.
	Well, let me shake your hand.
	Absolutely.
	God bless you, and let me shake your hand, sir.
	All right.
	Thank you so much, Phil, for coming on the show.
	Guys, ussliberty.org, please go support on there.
	I'm going to donate myself as well.
	We've got to get this story out there.
	There needs to be some fucking justice.
	These guys are not our fucking greatest ally.
	And the thing is, just imagine, if they didn't survive to tell the story, what would have happened?
	Nobody would know.
	Nobody would know.
	They would think Egypt attacked us, or Syria, or one of these other countries.
	You know, so, and we're two days past 9-11, right?
	We're two days past 9-11.
	Of course you're gonna think, you know, they went ahead and said, oh yeah, we were attacked by this dude in a cave, etc.
	But then you do your research and you figure out, wait, there's Zionist fingerprints all over this shit.
	So, they've stolen secrets from us, they've attacked us, they've killed our service members.
	And they dance when they commit mass destruction.
	Read some of the chats?
	Okay.
	Okay, I'll read some of these chats because I think they might have questions for you, Phil, actually.
	Let's see here.
	Thank you, Phil, and FNF for spreading the truth regarding the USS Liberty.
	The podcast with Jocko with a few other survivors was great as well.
	Everybody, visit USSLiberty.org.
	I got the books, the lighter, and a coin a few weeks ago.
	Absolutely, man.
	Thank you, JR. Thank you for your service.
	Men like you made me want to serve.
	It's still something I consider every day a foolish, as some people might say, but what would you tell a young man considering he serves in today's climate?
	Where Zionism is no longer discreet and we're on the brink of World War III. I think that's a question for you, Phil.
	I would say it's bad timing to go in the military.
	But if your heart says you've got to do it, that's up to you.
	But I would discourage it.
	And I'm not saying that you're not a proud, loving American.
	But, man, don't push yourself through this stuff for somebody else.
	I wouldn't do it.
	Understood.
	Alright.
	We got here...
	Guys?
	Guys says, this is wild.
	Can you guys do a more in-depth show on the Mustache Man and them boys?
	We'll have to do that on...
	On Castle Club only.
	We'll never be able to do that anywhere else.
	Shout out to Dom for making on the pod.
	Take it easy on this week.
	Heart, make a wish.
	Oh, Dominicano.
	Oh, Dominicano.
	Okay, gotcha.
	We got Moe.
	They're making fun of you.
	Oh, my God.
	And then what else do we got?
	Giggity, giggity.
	Can we get a guest take on the recent attempt on Donald Trump's life since he lived through so many assassinations?
	Well, we know a lot of people want him gone as well.
	Currently at a Trump rally with another Cast Club member.
	Haven't seen a single weirdo since I've been at this event.
	W. Trump, Al Kham.
	He's a fellow veteran, Phil, for speaking up about this event, WFNF. And he said that nobody shows up to his events.
	Al Fresh, please stop spreading misinformation.
	I understand it's funny, but repeating it may make people believe it's true.
	What the hell are you talking about?
	What was your reaction to the people on the ship when the president, who you thought was going to help, said, let the sailors die?
	The most heartbreaking thing that I could ever imagine to be set up by our own government.
	They colluded together, Israel and the United States, to sink an unarmed American spy ship and to be set up to be murdered by your own government.
	And then Israel would be the hitman.
	They were the hitman, and they hired him.
	And they got more money when they killed my shipmates than they ever did in their entire history after they murdered my shipmates.
	They got more money and they're still getting more money right now.
	Yeah, war equals money.
	Yeah, but like in the foreign aid too, we give Israel the most foreign aid by far.
	Yes.
	Yeah, I mean, and Lyndon B. Johnson is the commander-in-chief.
	He's the head of the military, so for him to, you know, allow...
	You know, now it makes sense why they would attack you guys because you couldn't even defend yourselves.
	No.
	Literally defenseless.
	No, had nothing.
	Fresh updates, WFNF. But by the grace of God, you guys survived and told the story.
	Every American needs to hear this story.
	God bless you, Phil.
	Good stuff, FNF. Absolutely, man.
	So, guys, ussliberty.org.
	Anything that you guys want to donate to us, I want you guys to go ahead and donate it to them instead.
	Thank you guys so much for the support.
	And, guys, just...
	Spread the message, man.
	Let people know about the USS Liberty.
	Do not let this die.
	We're going to keep this alive and let the people know that these motherfucking assholes are not our real allies.
	They're not.
	They never have been.
	They've been taking aid from us.
	They kill our fucking service members.
	They were involved in 9-11.
	Are the architects of foreign wars for their own betterment.
	So, Phil, thank you so much for coming on the show.
	We're happy to have you, man, and I wish much success to you in the pursuit of truth and of hopefully holding these fucking dickheads accountable.
	That's exactly right.
	The honor is all mine.
	I know it's John Stube to get this out.
	Honey, I'll see you tomorrow.
	Love you.
	My beautiful wife, Lisa.
	Good man.
	He is Phil Turney.
	Guys, go check him out.
	USSLiberty.org, guys.
	Love you guys.
	Peace.
	Peace.
	I ran, I ran so far away.

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