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Sept. 11, 2024 - Fresh & Fit

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Dave Smith On 9/11, RUS/URK & Israel War, Libertarian, 2024 Presidential Debate & MORE!

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	What's up guys?
	Welcome to Fresher Podcast, man.
	We're here with Dave Smith.
	Let's get into it.
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	All right.
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	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Freshman Podcast.
	We got a special guest in the house.
	We got Dave Smith, man.
	Super excited to do this interview with him.
	I've been a supporter of his work for a while.
	I remember seeing a lot of his stuff on Rogan.
	I was like, man, this guy got some pretty good takes.
	It would be cool to talk to him one day.
	And here he is, man.
	So this was probably like a year or two ago when I saw him.
	So let's bring him on screen real quick, guys.
	Even I know who he is.
	What's up, Dave?
	Welcome to the show, my friend.
	Thank you.
	Thanks for having me, guys.
	To be honest with you, we only brought you on so they wouldn't call us anti-Semite.
	Well, this is the first step.
	Although, from what I've seen this week, you're not going to be fully protected by that.
	But it'll help.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	So, hey man, what's up?
	Welcome to the podcast, bro.
	For those that are unaware of who you are, can you please introduce yourself to the people that have been living under a rock?
	Sure.
	Well, I'm sure there's people who know me and people who don't know me, but I'm Dave Smith.
	I'm a stand-up comedian and a podcaster and a libertarian, and I do a lot of shows, and that's my life.
	Awesome.
	Can you kind of give the people your backstory, like where you came from, where you grew up, etc.?
	Sure.
	So I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, and I was a New Yorker for my entire life.
	I lived there up until 2020, and I moved when the lockdowns started.
	And I live out in the country now, about an hour outside.
	So not like too far, but out in a rural area.
	But aside from that, I grew up as a...
	I was a typical Brooklyn kid.
	I had a single mom and was never super political or anything like that, but probably more liberal than anything else.
	Then I started stand-up comedy after I dropped out of college.
	I started stand-up comedy.
	About 18 years ago.
	And then I became very interested in politics in 2007, 2008.
	And then I was kind of like just a degenerate comedian for many years after that.
	And then about six, seven years ago, I got married and settled down and had a couple kids.
	And then over the last couple years, things have been picking up.
	Nice.
	And business has been better.
	So you mentioned earlier that you left New York, and I'm actually really excited to ask this because I get to finally ask one of you guys.
	Why did you in particular leave New York, right?
	Because Miami has been...
	Dude, New Yorkers have just come here and filled the city up and transplants everywhere.
	Luckily, you didn't come down to Florida.
	You went...
	You're not in Florida, right?
	I'm guessing you're probably somewhere else?
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm in New Jersey.
	I'm like an hour outside of New York City.
	Okay, so you're not that far.
	That's not even that bad.
	It's the same thing.
	Obviously, after 2020, everyone left New York.
	What were your main reasons, like, I gotta get the hell out of here?
	Was it the lockdowns?
	Was it the extreme leftism?
	Is it just the crime?
	Because I think New York City's failed.
	Yes.
	Well, I agree with you that it's failed.
	And by the way, I've had to fight moving to Florida a few different times.
	That Patrick Bet-David has tried to get me down there, and he's made it pretty tempting.
	So what happened with me was, me and my wife, we had our first child at the very end of 2018.
	So through 2019, we were living on the Upper West Side of New York City.
	And my wife was, she's from like the suburbs.
	I'm from New York City, but she's from the Burbs.
	And she kind of wanted, you know, she was kind of like, I'd really kind of rather go like get a house and have a big yard and have our kids in like a nice, you know, town.
	And At the beginning of 2019, I was kind of like, now we're not doing that.
	New York City is where I'm from.
	This is where my career is.
	I'm going to stay here.
	This is kind of where the action is.
	And I will say, as time went on, We're good to go.
	Okay, so my kid was born in, you know, in December of 2018.
	So I have like a baby at this point.
	And she's a girl, my oldest.
	And so as, you know, she's like three months, four months old, things like that.
	You know, like little babies don't really know what's going on, but as their dad, I did just start to notice like things I had always just taken for granted in my life, like homeless people all over the place.
	And then, you know, you're kind of like, hmm, like this isn't a big problem right now, but do I really want her when she's two, when she's three, like just kind of seeing all of this stuff, all the stuff that I saw really early in life that I just kind of took for granted, but now I'm thinking to myself, maybe I actually don't want this.
	So I kind of started moving in the direction of like, maybe I do kind of want to get out of the city and put my girls in a little bit of a...
	Yeah, I was gonna say.
	So our lease was up, I believe it was up in either April or May of 2020.
	Oh, right in the middle, at the worst time.
	And so then the lockdowns hit in March.
	Yeah.
	And so the lockdowns hit and things started getting a little bit weird.
	And I got very, like, you know, the shelves started getting kind of empty very early on.
	And so immediately, I mean, even before the actual lockdowns hit, it was like the week before that, we got our stuff and got out of there.
	Okay.
	And then we went and we stayed at her parents' house for like a couple weeks.
	And then I was just like, once the lockdowns actually hit, and I knew my lease was coming up anyway, I was like, alright.
	You know what?
	I concede.
	You win this debate.
	It's not worth the lower price of rent.
	It's not worth it.
	I'm out of here.
	Because that was the first time New York rent ever dropped.
	Well, so, okay, so, right, so the rent dropped, but then it went right back up, like, shortly after that.
	But, so, I immediately, because, you know, we were, like, in a little apartment that you're paying, like, an insane amount for, so immediately I started renting a house out there, and for the same price that I was renting a little apartment in New York City, I got, like, this beautiful house.
	Out in Jersey.
	And then, so like right away, I was like, oh, I could kind of get used to this.
	This is not.
	And then, you know, as things were kind of crazy through the next couple years, then we ultimately ended up buying a house like out in the country, like really out there.
	And I gotta say, I never thought I could live outside of New York City because I was just so used to it, but it is the best decision I've ever made.
	I am so much happier and just enjoy life so much more being in the country than I ever did in the city.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I've always said, in my opinion, I think New York City is the most overrated place on earth.
	And it's not until you leave that you realize, wow, there's places that are way better.
	I grew up there as a kid in the early 90s, but I moved after.
	I was actually in Brooklyn, too.
	But I moved to Connecticut when I was nine, so I don't consider myself a New Yorker.
	But I do remember there was a crime wave in the 90s.
	I remember Giuliani coming in and cleaning up the streets and everything else like that.
	You're a bit older than me, so do you remember the Giuliani era?
	Are you a fan of Giuliani?
	I'm not a fan of Giuliani for many reasons, but there's no question that during those years, New York City turned around.
	I mean, it was really drastic.
	So I'm 41.
	I was born in 83, and Giuliani came in and, like, I don't know, 92?
	Maybe something like that?
	Early, mid-90s he came in.
	And 1990 was the worst year, had the most murders.
	The David Dinkins years were like crazy.
	Now, of course, I was, you know, in 1990, I was seven.
	So it's not like I have like, you know, like the best memories of it.
	Or I wasn't like hanging out in adult situations.
	But I do remember just like...
	I mean, everything got stolen in New York City.
	I mean, you couldn't literally, I mean, things that it sounds like cartoonish to say, but you had to not only, okay, you had to chain up your garbage cans that were in front of your house, and then we found this out, literally, this is not an exaggeration, that my stepfather chained up the garbage cans, and they stole the garbage lids.
	So he had to separately chain up the garbage lids and the garbage cans because it was like crackhead crime.
	You know what I mean?
	It didn't even make sense.
	They were just trying to take whatever they could take and go see if they could sell it or whatever.
	But even after Giuliani came in, when I was an older kid, a preteen and a teenager, it was still a high crime environment in New York City that was like...
	Way worse than what any big city is today.
	Yeah, yeah.
	New York City used to literally be...
	They used to call it Fear City in the 70s, and then it kind of stuck with that name into the 80s.
	In the 90s, it was still terrible.
	I think the most murders were in 91 or 90.
	And Brooklyn, I mean, it's interesting now.
	If you go to Brooklyn now in a lot of these places, it's going through extreme gentrification.
	Because a lot of those yuppies got pushed out of Manhattan, and now the places that used to be terrible you would never go to in Brooklyn, they're a lot cleaner and safer now with hipsters.
	so yeah for sure and even i don't even know exactly what explains it but it's not just that the people got pushed out of manhattan because there's parts of brooklyn now that are more expensive than manhattan like it's uh i i don't know out of um like i i choose not to to be there um but i out of my group of friends that i grew up with i think i might be the only one who could afford to still live in the neighborhood we came from If I wanted to.
	Everybody got priced out.
	Yeah.
	It's crazy, man.
	New York City, how expensive this guy is.
	And I don't know how people make ends meet.
	It's just crazy.
	So you talked about becoming a comedian.
	How did you get into that?
	And what was it like in the beginning?
	Because that's a very tough career to build some traction on, make some money, etc.
	Most comics are obviously very poor and doing it on the side is for fun.
	But you've been able to make it a real career.
	How did you do that?
	Okay, so I got into stand-up comedy because I was...
	My buddy, who's like my brother, my best friend for the last fucking, you know, 20 years or whatever it is, Luis J. Gomez, was...
	So he was like...
	He was dating one of my sister's friends.
	And I met him through that.
	And me and him just got along immediately and started hanging out.
	And he was promoting for a comedy club.
	He was selling tickets for...
	on the street for one of the comedy clubs in new york city and then because he was like the top promoter he started like hosting shows that he was producing and so anyway we ended up being friends for a while and then we got a place together we were roommates for a little bit like i was like i don't know 21 or something like that and he he Basically, like, convinced me to start.
	Like, he was like, dude, you're so fucking funny.
	I think you'd be great at this.
	I'm doing it, and it's going good.
	And it was just like a thing to, like, you know, like, be cool and meet girls or whatever.
	And I... For a while, I thought it.
	It was like for over a year, I think he was trying to convince me to start.
	And then eventually I was like, all right, let's go do it.
	And I went to an open mic at Stand Up New York Comedy Club on 78th Street and Broadway in New York City.
	Okay.
	And it was terrible.
	And this was like what year?
	2007-ish?
	2006, I want to say.
	I think, I believe it was 2006.
	Okay.
	And so I go on stage to a room of 15 other open-miker comedians.
	And, you know, it was just an awful environment to do comedy.
	And I don't remember what it is I said, but I had one thing I said that got like a laugh in the room.
	And I remember literally when it got that laugh...
	I loved it.
	And then I got off stage and I was like, I think I could do better than that.
	Let's go hit another open mic.
	And we went and hit one other open mic that night.
	And then it went a little bit better.
	And after that, it was like, this is what I'm going to do with my life.
	That's it.
	I just loved it so much.
	I always thought there was something so beautiful about stand-up comedy.
	It's this weird art form where one guy goes up on stage with no instrument, just his mind, and then can get the whole room to be cracking up laughing.
	I thought it was such a beautiful thing, and I just totally fell in love with it, and I've been doing it ever since.
	Would you say that most comedians bust their first couple shows as natural to happen?
	Like you come on stage, you like, don't make it at all?
	You know, I mean, if you, like, if you come on stage a couple times and then quit after that, then you never really, like, did comedy.
	But regardless of how your first couple shows go, I think almost every comedian has to go through a lot of rough sets, a lot of just busting their ass, a lot, you know, it's almost like, like, is there a skateboarder who's never wiped out?
	Gotcha.
	Probably not.
	You know, that's kind of part of the game is that you're going to fall and hurt yourself.
	But hopefully once you kind of start getting good at it, that becomes rarer and rarer.
	Well, we know two film comedians in Canada.
	That was a good joke.
	Wait, who's that?
	Was that a joke I was supposed to get?
	Nah, nah, nah, nah.
	Fuck those guys.
	They're nobodies.
	You don't know who they are.
	So, here's the thing.
	I ain't gonna lie.
	I've never admitted this on air, but I'm gonna admit it.
	I've actually kind of wanted to try it.
	I've actually wanted to get on a stage and tell some jokes.
	You'd be hilarious, bro.
	I think I could do it.
	But the thing is, is that going back to what Dave just said, like, I don't want people booing me and shit.
	I'm going, fuck, I suck.
	You know, it's just like, because it's not easy, dude.
	That's why I have a great deal of respect for comedians, because...
	You gotta get like beat up.
	You gotta really rehash your routine.
	You gotta try in front of different audiences.
	You have to be able to adapt to your audience, right?
	You gotta know which jokes to make on certain people.
	And I had a discussion with the Hodgson's about this in detail.
	And I've always had like a very deep admiration for comics because it's not easy, dude, to sit there and kind of read the room and adjust accordingly because doing it live is not easy.
	And you gotta be able to think on top of your feet.
	What would you say are some of the most important traits To be an effective comedian.
	What are some of the things that you learned, you know, through your years, now better almost two decades of telling jokes?
	Well, you know, it's a weird thing because, like, being a comedian is, it's as broad a category as, like, being a podcaster, right?
	So, like, you know, whether you're, you could have a show or whatever, podcast or streamer, influencer, whatever, like, the, whatever we call these shows on the internet.
	But like, as you guys know, I mean, you guys have a very successful show that, at least from what I understand, was like largely centered around kind of like dating, masculinity, cultural issues, things like that.
	And obviously, you guys talk about politics and other things.
	But then there's shows that are about diet.
	There's shows that are about working out.
	There's shows that are about mixed martial arts.
	There's shows that are about anything you could think of.
	So likewise, with stand-up comedy, it's not as if there's like one way you can be good at this.
	There's an infinite amount of ways that you can be good at this.
	There's comedians, I remember Patrice O'Neill, who I got to meet when I first started comedy, who's one of the most brilliant, incredible human beings I've ever met in my life.
	I remember he said...
	He said, the beauty of stand-up comedy is you could talk about the war in Iraq.
	This is when that was, you know, the relevant thing.
	He goes, you could talk about the war in Iraq, or you could talk about your balls.
	Like, it doesn't matter.
	It could be any topic from that to that.
	And so, what it really takes to kind of be good at stand-up comedy, I mean, like, being a funny person is very helpful, and that's just kind of something that either is in you, or you develop, or whatever.
	You probably came in with that.
	But what it really takes to be a good stand-up comedian is kind of this ability to stick with it and find your voice.
	Mm-hmm.
	And figure out who you are going to be, just like with podcasting or with any of these shows.
	It's like it's the ability to, like, figure out what is it that you really bring to the table?
	Because all of us have essentially infinite issues or infinite things that somebody else is better than you at.
	But if you can find the thing that makes you special and really kind of like exploit that, then you could do something really great.
	And I think that's very it's very similar in comedy and broadcasting and podcasting and in a lot of different areas in life.
	I think that's kind of what it takes to be successful.
	So say someone's watching this right now.
	right?
	And they're kind of like me.
	I want to do this.
	I want to try it.
	I want to go to an open mic, right?
	Maybe an improv class, something like that.
	How long should their first routine be that they, you know, write out and script out?
	How many minutes do you think?
	I mean, I don't even, you know, in the same way that, okay, like, I've never served in the military, but if somebody was like, hey, you know, I just saw this video of you, like, you know, blowing up some helicopter, I kind of want to do that.
	What's the first step to that?
	And I think somebody who's in the military would probably, they wouldn't be like, okay, you want to go down and find a recruiter, or you want to do this, or you, I think they would probably be like, hey, like, bust out 50 pushups.
	You know like how's how does that feel?
	Are you okay?
	Can you get through that?
	Did you fail after 10?
	Then like okay maybe you should do okay so so fail after 10 and then come back and do another you know what I mean like the round tomorrow.
	I think that if you forget how long your set is that you should write if you want to do it what I say is go to a local open mic and go do that And then get off stage and then talk to me.
	Gotcha.
	And then tell me if you still want to do it.
	Or if you just, like, you know what I'm saying?
	Like, in the same way that, like, if people were like, if people came up to one of you two and they were like, hey, I want to have a really successful show just like you guys have.
	What should I do?
	You know, it's like, well, the first thing is go do a show where no one gives a shit what you're saying.
	No one cares at all.
	And then tell me, do you still want to do this?
	Did you just want to be famous?
	Did you just want to be rich?
	Or did you actually want to do this show?
	So that's kind of like my first thing.
	You're never going to write a great 15 minutes of stand-up comedy when you've never been on stage before.
	That's just not going to happen.
	So go get on stage, do bad, and then see if you really still want to do this or not.
	So Dave, I think comedians have a superpower where they can talk about anything pretty much and not get canceled for it.
	Yeah.
	For the most part.
	And I was curious to know your top three comedians of all time.
	I was literally going to ask that next.
	Yeah, I was literally going to ask that next.
	Top three comedians.
	Top three comedians of all time.
	For you.
	You know, that's tough because it's almost like Like, what era they were in, you know?
	Like, um, okay.
	In the, in the, uh, Killing Them Softly and For What It's Worth era, like, those two specials and the Chappelle show, Dave Chappelle, to me, was, like, about as funny as any stand-up comedian could be.
	Right.
	Um, Louis C.K., when he was at the top of his game.
	Okay.
	Just jerking off on chicks.
	At the top.
	Yeah.
	He was pretty incredible.
	Bill Burr, when he was at the top of his game, was incredible.
	And then, you know, more personally, Dave Attell and Patrice O'Neill, who are the guys who I got to watch in the New York City scene when I first started, were just phenomenal to me.
	But I will say, there's so many great comedians that it's like...
	You know, there's somebody else you could bring up right now who I might be like, yeah, maybe that guy's the best, or maybe he's, you know, it's very, it's not like, it's not like a sport where there's like, you know, who's better, Jordan or LeBron, where you're kind of at least comparing them doing the exact same thing.
	It's more like, you know, a thing where you're like, okay, who's better your, you know, Your cardiologist or your podiatrist.
	And you're like, I don't know.
	They take care of different things.
	It's just different.
	But those guys were all just incredible to me at their height.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No, I mean, to this day, Dave Chappelle, he did this one skin on public transportation.
	Since you mentioned Busted Nuts.
	On public transportation, how this homeless dude shot a nut on somebody in the morning.
	And then the Native American one also makes me laugh when he says how he was in a store in a sport section and a Native American dude was there and he talks about smoking weed and whatever.
	Did you ever hear his bit on that same special that you're talking about?
	That was for what it's worth?
	But when he has the bit, as you know...
	Look, this was like one of the most incredible things I've ever seen because this is Dave Chappelle.
	It was in between season one and season two of Chappelle's show.
	So he's finally got this show.
	It's blown up.
	He's an A-list celebrity now after just being like a working comic for many years.
	And in the middle of his show, he's killing it.
	And he does the bit about R. Kelly and the whole, how old is 15 really?
	How old is 15 really?
	Dude, he literally, and this was what was so incredible to me, with the premise of the bit, he loses the crowd.
	Like he goes, how old is 15 really?
	And the whole crowd gets so weird.
	And then he goes, no, no, that's a good question.
	And then he has this long bit where basically he gets into like this black girl who was kidnapped and this white girl who was kidnapped and then he gets into this black 15 year old who killed a guy accidentally doing like backyard wrestling and they tried him like an adult and then he's like well if at 15 you could be tried like an adult then it's old enough to get pissed on and there's this whole thing and like It's so funny the way he does it.
	You're uncomfortable the whole time, but you're like also laughing.
	And then also by the end, you're like, I think he did make a good point actually with all of this.
	And it was just like really, really high level, like really hilarious and really smart and provocative.
	And like that, that to me is like...
	What stand-up comedy is supposed to be?
	Yeah, it was fantastic because I remember this.
	It's actually embarrassing that I even remember this.
	He talks about a girl named Elizabeth Smart that escaped being tied up from some crackheads.
	And she was only 15 years old and was able to find her way back.
	He made this joke like, you know, I know where I'm at, fuck off me.
	There's two exits.
	And then the kid that you were talking about, because I remember this story broke out in the 2000s.
	He did a wrestling move.
	I think he rocked bottomed his sister or some shit and killed her.
	Lionel Tate.
	A 15 year old kid.
	Lionel what?
	Lionel Tate.
	Lionel Tate killed his sister.
	Damn!
	And then he brought it back.
	Hey, if they could do all this, you should be able to piss on him, which was hilarious.
	Because he brought it back and reminded everybody how 15 is.
	I think she was single-digit age.
	Yeah, yeah, it was his little sister.
	Yes, yes.
	So, no, it was a funny bit.
	And look, it's not, again, like, comedy is not literal.
	It's not that, like, literally what he's saying is true.
	But it does just start to, like, you know, even things like that, it does kind of make you ask the question where you're like, okay, so, like, look, I don't know exactly what the answer is, but if a 14-year-old or a 15-year-old could be convicted of murder tried as an adult, Like, because they did something bad, you can say, okay, they're an adult now.
	They have to face adult consequences.
	Then it does just make you go like, okay, well then, like, that's not really consistent with, like, saying that, oh, okay, no, that's only a child.
	He can't consent.
	So perhaps the answer is that 15-year-olds should never be tried as adults.
	That kind of, maybe that is the answer.
	I don't exactly know.
	But I know that that's a good enough, like, he found, well, There's a ripple in the universe that's like, no, no, no, that doesn't make any sense.
	It can't be this and this.
	In the same way that like, you know, like, you know, I'm sure you guys have heard like the dumb feminist arguments where there'll be like all drunk sex is rape or something like that.
	Where it's like, oh, if you gave a girl a couple drinks, even if she consented, you're still a rapist.
	Yeah.
	And you're like, okay, well, if that's true, then we shouldn't charge anyone with drunk driving.
	You know, like, if you're saying that when you're drunk, you no longer have agency, then okay, but just be consistent.
	And there's something about, like, just finding those inconsistencies that even if you don't have all the right answers, it's still a beautiful thing to go like, okay, something here is full of shit.
	This doesn't make sense.
	You know, and Bill Burr, I think, made a joke on this.
	And I remember this, because, you know, and I'm really exposing myself right now.
	I remember Bill Burr went on a legendary rant in Philadelphia.
	And he literally, like, because they were just booing him out of the fucking place.
	And he just went on like a seven or eight minute, you know, fucking tirade, just shitting all over Philadelphia.
	How the Eagles suck, how their city sucks, how they're a bunch of fucking crashers.
	He went crazy.
	And it's funny because if you've ever been to Philadelphia, you're like, he's kind of right.
	Philly does suck.
	This is like the worst city on the Northeast.
	He just fucking bombarded them for seven to eight minutes straight.
	And I think it's probably one of the best improv situations where he was able to take an L and turn it into a huge W. I really think everybody should go check it out.
	I'm sure you saw that, Dave.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, I... Okay, so I... Me and, like, another guy...
	Because this has got to be, like, right around when I first started.
	It was, like, in those years.
	Maybe this was, like, 2008 or something like that.
	Yeah, it was right around then, yeah.
	And so I remember me and one of my buddies, who was, like, another young comic at the time, we talked...
	We went up to Bill Burr...
	At the Comedy Cellar, like a few weeks after that.
	And we were both like, we were like, yo, dude, that was like the greatest thing ever, man.
	Like, that's so awesome.
	It was like a viral video at the very beginning of viral videos on the internet.
	Yeah.
	And he just goes, he goes, really, dude?
	I did an HBO special this year and that's all I'm known for now.
	Really?
	Is it great, dude?
	Blah, blah, blah.
	And like, she just like kind of like busted our balls about it.
	But then I think he was worried a little bit that he was like, oh, this is what I'm going to be known for now.
	Now everyone's going to try to heckle me because they want to create a moment where I'm fucking trashing everybody.
	But, of course, he went on to be known for a lot of other stuff because he just kept being so good at comedy.
	But, yeah, no, I remember.
	That was on the Opie and Anthony tour, and it was one of the greatest.
	You guys, if you haven't seen it, go check it out.
	It's all over the Internet.
	It's such a great comedian riff meltdown thing.
	It's just amazing.
	And it also speaks volumes because if you've ever been to Philadelphia, for those that haven't been, they're one of the worst crowds, man.
	This city is fucking strange.
	Whether they win or they lose, the city's getting fucked up.
	I almost lived there anyway.
	They're some of the most passionate but toxic fans ever.
	I don't know what it is.
	Maybe it's the fucking water or some shit in the Schuylkill River.
	But something is off over there where they will destroy their city no matter what.
	Some of my best friends are born and raised in Philadelphia, and even they will agree when I say they are garbage people, man.
	I mean, I love Philly.
	It's a great city, but garbage.
	Yeah, it sucks, man.
	It really sucks.
	And it's still one of the few cities that, like, holds on to some of its roots.
	So, like, South Philly is still super Italian, right?
	North Philly still sucks.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It is what it is because I spent a good amount of time there.
	But no, so I guess let's switch on over to, like, the politics.
	You mentioned that you really started getting into politics 2007-2008.
	What prompted you to get in?
	Was it Obama's speeches at the time?
	Because I remember he was taking over.
	He was the cool person back then.
	Was it your like or dislike of Bush?
	What made you really get into politics as a comedian?
	Okay, so I actually really liked George W. Bush right after September 11th, when he came to New York City, and he gave that bullhorn speech, if you guys have ever seen it.
	Legendary.
	Dude, when he said, he goes to all the people in New York, we hear you.
	And he said, like, we hear you, and Washington, D.C. hears you, and pretty soon, the people who knock these towers down, they're gonna hear from you as well.
	And I was like, yo, that, I mean, I was 18 at the time, I was like, yo, that is my fucking president.
	I love this guy.
	I mean, I was like, I was so on board with like, oh, these, like these motherfuckers hit us and they have no idea who they just hit.
	Like, we're the toughest killers in the history of the world.
	We're going to go get all these guys.
	So I was like totally on board at that point, but just a kid, like an idiot.
	I didn't know anything.
	And then...
	Fast forward to like, there was like a few years later, and it was after he had already invaded Iraq, and we had been bogged down in Afghanistan for a while, and it was like, what?
	We're trying to overthrow the Taliban?
	And why are we fighting Saddam Hussein?
	And then there was one press conference where someone asked him, they were like, hey, you know, it's been forever, and you still haven't gotten Osama bin Laden.
	And, you know, like, what's up with that?
	And he said, you guys go find this.
	It's been a long time since I watched this video, but I'm not far off.
	He said, essentially, like, I don't really care.
	It's not even something I think about.
	Like, I'm focused on other things.
	Yeah.
	And I remember seeing that, and it was like, yo, I hope you fucking burn in hell, dude.
	Like, really, motherfucker?
	You came here after we got hit and promised us that you were going to go get these motherfuckers, and now you're telling me you don't even care, but you actually had some totally separate beef, because, like, something with your dad being an attempted assassination or something like that is what I knew at the time, you know?
	And...
	And so then I was like, screw him.
	And I was rooting when the Democrats won the Congress back in 2006.
	And then when Barack Obama started running, I was like, oh, OK, this guy seems really smart and charismatic and maybe he'll be kind of the next like JFK and he's totally against the Bushes.
	And anyway, so then it was in it was in 2007.
	I literally just happened to be watching the Republican presidential debate.
	And I saw it was the Ron Paul versus Rudy Giuliani moment.
	Do you guys know what that is?
	Ron, no.
	This is 07.
	Yes.
	Because I'm trying to think here.
	Obama ran against McCain, right?
	If I'm not mistaken.
	Yes.
	Okay, so this is in the Republican primaries before McCain had won it.
	Okay?
	Yep.
	So this is the Republican primaries, and okay, so Rudy Giuliani had started that year's Republican primary as the frontrunner, and then ultimately he got knocked out, and then McCain ended up winning the nomination.
	But Ron Paul was running for president that year, so he was one of the guys on the debate stage.
	And he was a libertarian, but a Republican.
	Like, you know, Rand Paul's father.
	And like a Thomas Massey, Rand Paul type, you know, hardcore, but even more hardcore than them.
	Like a hardcore libertarian, but who was a Republican in Texas.
	Gotcha.
	And so he gets up and he goes, and I really encourage you both and anyone in your audience to go watch this if you haven't already.
	And maybe for the younger guys, it might be even tough to understand how crazy this was in 2007.
	But so Ron Paul's up there.
	And at the time, the line was, they hate us because we're free.
	This is what This was the George W. Bush line.
	Hey, the reason these Muslims hate you is because you're so free and so rich that they just want to blow you up because...
	They're possessed by evil or something.
	I don't know exactly what the logic was, but they just hate freedom and hate prosperity, so they want to kill you.
	And so Ron Paul, this guy I'd never heard of before, he gets on stage and he goes, well, no, no, no.
	Listen, let me tell you something.
	The terrorists don't hate us because we're rich and we're free.
	They hate us because we're over there.
	They hate us because we're propping up Israel.
	We're bombing Muslim countries.
	We're propping up brutal dictators in Muslim countries.
	Our sanctions are like starving their children to death.
	This is why they hate us.
	And he goes, now look.
	We're never he said I think his exact words were he goes if you think we can go around the world doing whatever we want with no risk to us then we do that at our own peril and so he's going off on this and then Rudy Giuliani to get back to why I don't like him so much Rudy Giuliani interrupts him and he goes uh he goes you know You know, I think Ron Paul should apologize for what he just said.
	You know, I've heard a lot of ridiculous explanations for September 11th, and I've never heard anything like, we were bombing Iraq, and that's why 9-11 happened.
	I've never heard anything like that.
	Which is, by the way, was in Osama Bin Laden's, you know, letter to America, in his declaration of war against America, he specifically mentioned this.
	So Rudy Giuliani was just bragging about having never heard Something that you probably should have heard if you know what the fuck you're talking about.
	And then he goes...
	Okay, so he gets thunderous applause for calling Ron Paul out.
	And then he goes, I'd ask that Ron Paul apologize and tell us that he didn't really mean that.
	And then that gets thunderous applause.
	And then it goes back over to Ron Paul, and they're like, Ron Paul, would you like to apologize?
	And Ron Paul just goes, okay...
	I very sincerely believe that you know how the CIA coined this term called blowback?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's a real thing.
	Blowback exists.
	And he just goes through this whole history lesson where he was like, look, you want to know why Iran hates us?
	It's because in 1953 our CIA overthrew their democratically elected government.
	That's why they hate us.
	Not because they're crazy Muslims.
	Because we've been fucking with them.
	And went through this whole thing, and whatever.
	As soon as it was done, I was just like, yo, who the fuck was that guy?
	I've never heard anyone in the political sphere ever just say some real shit the way he did.
	And then it was just like, that was the spark.
	And then I was like, okay, I want to read his book.
	And then I just fell down the rabbit hole and got obsessed with this stuff.
	You know, um, and I really do, because, um, I think it's very significant that he said that back then, because to question the war, to talk about geopolitical situations like this back then, when we were in the middle of invading Iraq, etc., to question that back then was unprecedented and wildly ahead of its time.
	Unheard of.
	Now, right?
	I mean, I think people are just waking up to the Iraq situation, like now, 2024, right?
	Decades after the fact.
	So for someone to call this out back then is crazy.
	And let alone doing it on a national stage in front of everyone and saying, look, this is what it really is.
	And I think more Americans are waking up to this now.
	And it's interesting, right?
	Because obviously it's the anniversary of 9-11.
	And, you know, I remember when it first went down, you know, we were like, yeah, we're gonna go after everybody, you know, this is Osama, this is the axis of evil, etc.
	Like, it was the most united time I've ever seen in the United States.
	And that, the whole bullhorn comment that you made, yeah, like, people thought that was fucking awesome.
	He's like, you know, you know, I hear you, America hears you, and the people that knocked these towers down are going to hear all of us.
	And I remember the day when it happened, he addressed the country.
	And to this day, I still use that as an example whenever I tell guys the definition of controlling frame and being a leader.
	His address to the United States right after 9-11, I think, was probably one of the best examples of leading during one of the most turbulent times in our nation's history.
	Well, but look, I mean...
	It also shows you, like, why is that so powerful?
	And I think that if you really understand that, in a weird way, it makes you understand Ron Paul's point.
	You know, it's like, if you understand that, like, look, after 9-11, if an American leader stands up and goes, let me tell you something.
	I'm gonna protect you from another 9-11 ever happening, and you know how we're gonna do it?
	And maybe they don't say these exact words, but they go, we're gonna go kill all these motherfuckers over there.
	You know, it's very easy to go, yes.
	Fuck yeah.
	You know?
	And like, I think that there was something about that to me that I, it was always very easy for me to kind of understand that like, you know, like put yourself in this situation.
	If someone you loved got killed in front of you, it's not that hard to imagine that you'd be like, well, I want to go kill all of these guys.
	But then, okay.
	So extrapolate that out to other conflicts.
	And then even just the same thing, it's like, okay, well, why do these Muslim terrorists want to come kill you?
	For the same reasons.
	For the exact same reasons.
	Because some bomb blew up over there and their friend got killed.
	And they were like, well, I'm ready.
	ready and why is it that so many people in israel after october 7th will want to go but will support i'm not talking about like the higher up political leaders i'm just saying like a regular person will go hell yeah go flat in gaza yeah it's like okay and why is it that so many palestinians are like drive every single one of these jews into the sea because they've seen some shit happen to This isn't the final analysis.
	This doesn't justify any of these actions, but it's a pretty good starting point to at least go like, okay, I can understand why someone in that situation could get there pretty easily.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	So, did you have something fresh?
	Yeah, so it's crazy because the government lied, basically, about what the issue was, and they put blame on these people overseas.
	And couldn't find out, speaking of today on 9-11, we know who the real culprit was behind it.
	Yeah, and we'll definitely...
	Well, wait a minute, who's that?
	Well, from what we've been told, what we've seen, and discovered, Meyer knows the answer.
	Bro, what the fuck?
	Alright.
	We'll talk about 9-11 here in a second.
	Sure, sure.
	But I was going to ask you, so that kind of got you going down the rabbit hole.
	Can you explain to the people What the libertarian perspective is and what some of your guys' viewpoints are, because, you know, we've seen over the past 10 years, you know, the Overwood Ten Window kind of shift.
	Like, someone that was a liberal 10 years ago now is considered alt-right, you know, because the left has gone so far left.
	So, what would you, can you just explain to people, like, what a libertarian is, what your views are now in 2024, generally speaking, and, yeah.
	Sure.
	So, like, I would just first say that in the same way, like, libertarian, and I think for a while, maybe I was kind of fighting for that word.
	Like, that means what I say it means.
	But I... Ultimately, look, in the same way that you're like, what does a liberal believe?
	Or what does a conservative believe?
	If you were to say, what does a conservative believe?
	You could get a self-described conservative who would say, a conservative believes supporting Israel no matter what.
	And then you could get other conservatives who say a conservative means never sending any U.S. tax dollars to any other country.
	So, you know, just a quick preface, like a lot of other people could have definitions of what a libertarian means.
	To me, what a libertarian means is fundamentally that people have natural rights to That people have the right to live their life.
	They have the right to life, liberty, and property, and they have a right to live their life and do what they want as long as they do not violate the rights of others, impose their will on others.
	And then, more broadly, politically speaking, it would be a belief that government should be as limited as possible, that We should be as non-interventionist in every sense of the word, whether that's domestically or in terms of foreign policy,
	that America's role ought to be to keep our people as free as possible and to intervene as little as possible within domestic or foreign affairs.
	So in other words, domestically speaking, the level of intervention should be if somebody is attacking somebody else, we should support their right and even help them to defend themselves or bring that person we should support their right and even help them to defend themselves
	And in terms of foreign policy, if we are attacked, we should defend ourselves and destroy our enemy or even prevent an attack from happening.
	But we should not be in the business of taking care of people from cradle to grave at home.
	We should not be in the business of welfare and education and healthcare and everything else.
	And we also, in terms of foreign policy, we should not be in the business of policing the world and propping up this This dictator and overthrowing this dictator or propping up this democratically elected government and overthrowing this democratically elected government, that all of that is just not the proper role for government.
	That would be like broad strokes, what I would say.
	Gotcha.
	Now, what are some of your takes on this stuff?
	Where do you stand?
	And I'll kind of just go into some of the more common issues that everyone talks about.
	What's your take on immigration?
	Okay, so I would say, and both my personal take and the libertarian take, essentially, is I actually think that Tucker Carlson had this analogy that was like the perfect libertarian explanation of immigration, even though I think Tucker would have said that he...
	He wouldn't have thought of it that way, and I think he was actually a bit hostile to libertarians when he said this.
	But his thing was he said, I love having dinner parties.
	I'm really into dinner parties, which, by the way, I like that a lot too.
	I like having some people over to my house.
	You got like 12 or 15 people over to your house, and you have dinner, and you have some drinks, and everybody has a good conversation.
	And he goes, but I get to choose who comes to my house.
	Otherwise, it's not really a dinner party, is it?
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	You know, so like if a bunch of people just show up and invade my house, that's not really a dinner party.
	That's something else.
	So the I think in essence, the libertarian position, like purely theoretically would be that I think the people who live in this country ought to be able to decide who comes in and who doesn't.
	In the current political climate that we live in, I think we have.
	I mean, debatably, the most out of control, open border situation that I've ever heard of.
	And I think I would support anything that would immediately clamp down on that.
	Yeah, it's really bad.
	I had a Border Patrol agent on my show literally a couple days ago.
	And I used to work in immigration myself when I worked for the government.
	And when he was telling me what's going on at the border...
	It's absolutely crazy and ludicrous, and the American public doesn't know.
	I've never seen a border crisis this bad.
	So you're for it, but it's got to be extremely selective.
	Abortion slash reproductive rights, where do you stand there?
	I'm pro-life.
	You're pro-life.
	Would you say that that deviates a little bit from the libertarian sense, where they're kind of like, hey, you should be able to have pro-choice?
	No, I mean, look, in the same way that I was saying with conservatives, like who, say, being a conservative means supporting Israel or being a conservative means supporting Ukraine or something like that.
	No, I would just, look, I actually was pro-choice for most of my life without ever really thinking about it.
	Gotcha.
	And then I kind of, I started re-questioning that.
	For a while.
	Because I heard some really good pro-life arguments.
	And then it was the birth of my first child.
	Since the day my oldest was born, I've never once thought about it again.
	And I'm very strongly pro-life.
	And really the experience, which I'm sure if there's dads who are listening to this, they can understand where I'm coming from.
	The real experience was just holding my daughter the first day she was born and realizing, which, you know, because I'm a big dumb monkey, like a lot of us are, and I never really realized until I held that little girl in my arms and I had to have this dumb monkey thought where I was like, wow.
	What I'm holding right now was just inside my wife's tummy.
	And that was the same thing that, like, a week ago or two weeks ago, I was just, you know...
	And it's so almost like...
	Simple.
	So like with my first, my daughter was, she was a week overdue or whatever, like she was a week past my wife's due date, and my son was three weeks early.
	And the reason my daughter was born was because they induced my wife.
	wife.
	They don't really let you go that, that long over your due date anymore.
	They've kind of determined that it's unhealthy to go too long.
	Like your, your mother or your grandmother might have a story about being like like three weeks late, you don't really have that anymore because they just induce you now.
	And I just kind of realized through all of that, that it's like, oh, like, it's totally arbitrary that she came out today and now she's a baby.
	Tell me, three weeks ago she was still my baby.
	I didn't just have a baby today.
	I've had a baby for a while.
	It's just been inside my wife.
	And once I realized that, it was almost just like the logical conclusion was inevitable.
	And you're like, oh, you could actually take this all the way back to conception.
	The point is you can't kill babies.
	That's just not right.
	So that was it for me.
	So for you, there's no time limit.
	Like at inception, like, you know, because I know in Florida, I think it's up to six weeks if I'm not mistaken.
	So for you, it's like, no, it's at inception.
	It's no matter what.
	Yes, but I also, at the same time, that's what I believe, but I also am a pragmatist.
	So, like, if abortion was legal in wherever the jurisdiction that you are is, and then someone proposed a six-week ban, I wouldn't be like, no, that's not good enough.
	We need a zero-week ban.
	Like, okay, better a six-week ban than no ban at all.
	But yes, my position, I do think there should be exceptions.
	Like, there are extraordinary cases where, like, If they detect some type of horrible genetic disease in the baby, and the baby's only going to live for two years if it comes out or something like that, then I think it's reasonable to say it's the parent's decision what they want to do.
	In the same way that I'm against murder, but if you had a family member who's about to die a very painful death, and they were like, I'd rather be put out of my misery, I think that should be legal to do.
	Like, I do believe in some exceptions.
	Yeah, of course.
	But generally speaking, I'm pro-life.
	Okay.
	Dave, real quick.
	I'm going to call some names.
	Give me your honest opinion.
	Sure.
	Cannazoans.
	Love her.
	I just absolutely love Candace Owens.
	And she's someone who...
	Okay, I will confess, I had totally misjudged before I knew her.
	Really?
	And I think...
	So she had a clip on Joe Rogan's podcast...
	Like, years ago, where she really stumbled over the climate change issue.
	And I remember seeing it and going kind of like, ah, come on, man.
	Like, you didn't know what you were talking about.
	She said it was fake.
	I remember.
	And just kind of dismissing her.
	And then...
	When she started taking the stand that she was taking at the Daily Wire after October 7th, I was just so impressed by that.
	And I was like, wow, that's really something that she would do that.
	And then I went and I did her show.
	It was the first time I ever met her.
	She was still on the Daily Wire.
	It was toward the end of it, though.
	And I remember as I sat down with her and we just talked, you know, we did the show and then we talked for like another hour or so after.
	And I remember I was just like, wow, I actually think she's really smart and really like genuine and just a cool person.
	And she's been just nothing but cool to me since then.
	So I just have nothing but good things to say about Candace Owens.
	And it was a lesson in like, don't don't judge people too quickly.
	Yeah.
	No, and I definitely want to ask you about some other stuff concerning her too.
	I just want to kind of get more of your political takes.
	Alright, so we talked about immigration, abortion.
	What's your stance on foreign policy?
	um on foreign policy um like i said before i'm a complete non-interventionist i think that um america and and if if you look at almost unanimously and there were not too many things that the founders of america were unanimous on but one of them was that the whole role of america is that we're supposed to be a city on a hill you know and i i don't think We should be going around the world with all of these bullshit excuses about
	how we're trying to spread freedom or democracy or any of this nonsense.
	When everyone knows, what it always comes down to is what special interests want.
	It's never about any of these ideological trying to help the people of that country.
	I think in the same way that if you were ever...
	Like, like, let's say if I were ever to say to you that I'm, you were like, hey, Dave, what are you working on?
	And I was like, well, I'm working on, um, the house three doors down from me.
	I'm really working on their marriage.
	I'm trying to make sure that they have a really good marriage.
	And you'd be like, wait, is your marriage fucking perfect?
	Like, your marriage better be fucking perfect before you're going and working on someone else's marriage.
	And so, that's almost my attitude.
	It's like, hey, as soon as we perfect a free society here, and we have the freest and most prosperous society in America, then Maybe I'll listen to your arguments about how we have to go spread freedom to some other land.
	But until then, I don't want to hear any of that.
	So I don't want to hear anyone who's like, your marriage is falling apart, and you're saying you're going to go fix someone else's marriage.
	We should be an example to the rest of the world about how great it is to be a free society.
	And in a weird way, which I'm sure Like, almost everybody listening to this probably knows in their own life, in a weird way, that is always the best thing you can do for someone else.
	Like, what's the best thing you could do for someone you really love?
	Is it really that you could start micromanaging every part of their life?
	Or is the best thing you could do, live your fucking life to the best you can and show them the example of that, and that's probably the best you could do for someone.
	So, my foreign policy is strict non-interventionism, but total free trade.
	Trade with the world, be friends with the world, have detente, but no fucking, you know, never fight a war unless you absolutely have to, and that means you're under threat.
	Gotcha.
	And that's actually a perfect segue into what I was going to ask you next about the conflicts that we're involved in now.
	Which, real quick, guys, I want you to come on over to Twitch.
	We're going to get off YouTube now.
	So come on over to Twitch, guys.
	We dropped the link in there, or Rumble, one of the two.
	And we're going to continue to interview over there.
	As you guys know, we're switching from live streaming on YouTube to Twitch predominantly.
	So come on over, guys.
	We're dropping a link in our YouTube and in our Rumble chat, whatever you guys may...
	If you're watching on Rumble, just open up a tab on Twitch.
	But yeah, so Dave, obviously right now we're, you know, got two different conflicts fighting on two different fronts, right?
	You know, proxy wars, of course, with Israel and Russia.
	And I remember watching you talk about the Russia-Ukraine conflict on Rogan, and I really liked your take on it.
	So what's your thoughts on our conflict with Russia and Ukraine?
	And how do you think we can get out of the situation that we're in?
	Should we even be there in the first place?
	I'll kind of just turn it to you and you can...
	Speak generally about it.
	But guys, come on over to Twitch right now.
	We're gonna turn off the YouTube stream in the next few seconds.
	I mean, look, the whole conflict with Ukraine, and I think you can...
	Look, Vladimir Putin invaded the country, and once you invade a country, you are at least largely responsible for the death and carnage that comes from that.
	And so I'm certainly not saying that he's completely innocent, but in the entire lead up to the war, She was totally coming from a reasonable position, and Western policy did everything they could to provoke and continue to escalate this conflict.
	On purpose.
	Yes, yes, undeniably, intentionally, because they wanted to lure Russia into a war, because they wanted to try to bleed them dry.
	And, you know, one thing I would just say, and, you know, I've done a lot of podcasts on this, you know, my very good friend who is...
	I personally would say the greatest foreign policy expert in the United States of America, Scott Horton, whose books are phenomenal.
	He wrote Fool's Errand, which was a book about Afghanistan, and Enough Already was a book about the terror wars, and he's working on a new book called Provoked.
	And it's the whole story of what led up to the war in Ukraine.
	And it is just...
	I mean, from the collapse of the Soviet Union all the way up to Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, it was American foreign policy to just poke and poke and poke at Vladimir Putin.
	And to the point that it was all he was asking was that his neighboring country Would not be a member of America's military alliance, which is like the most reasonable ask that you could possibly have in terms of geopolitics.
	And look, I'm not saying any of this is perfectly moral or anything like that.
	And, you know, if people want to say, like, sometimes people will argue and they'll say like, well, Ukraine should be allowed to join any military alliance they want to.
	It's like, Maybe.
	Maybe they should be.
	But, you know, is Mexico allowed to join any military alliance that they want to?
	Are they really?
	Like, do any of us really think that if China wanted to make a military alliance with Mexico, that Washington, D.C. would say, well...
	They're allowed to join whatever they want to.
	No, we'd overthrow their government in a fucking week.
	Are you kidding me?
	We would never tolerate that.
	Jack Kennedy, when they put missiles in Cuba, said, I will blow up the world.
	Are you out of your fucking mind?
	You can't put missiles in Cuba, and then what was ultimately the deal, if you know the real history of it, Kennedy got on the phone with the Soviets, and we pulled our missiles out of Turkey, and they pulled their missiles out of Cuba.
	And this is what the beef has always been about the entire time.
	If you go back and look through the 2 plus 4 meetings in 1991, like all the initial meetings as the Soviet Union, or 1990, as the Soviet Union was unwinding, the whole The whole not one inch east.
	The whole conversation was about like, okay, don't move your weapons closer to us.
	That's been the beef since the entire Cold War.
	Since the end of World War II, the whole beef has been whose weapons are moving closer to the other one.
	And for us to decide that we're going to try to move our military hardware up to Russia's borders, Like, why the hell would we do that?
	For what strategic gain?
	And now it led to provoking this war, as it would if someone had done that to us, where like fucking hundreds of thousands of people have died.
	It's just horrible.
	And then at the same time, Americans who have been through, let's just say, You know, the last four years have been pretty rough years for most Americans, starting from the COVID lockdowns and all that shit, to the Biden years and all this, and the inflation and all that.
	It's been rough years economically, and we're saying we're going to tax our own people to just keep this war going?
	For what reason?
	Oh, no one really ever has to fucking explain that?
	It's just, it's horrible, and it should end immediately.
	And major respect to you because I genuinely believe you're probably one of the first people to give that take on a huge fucking platform, right?
	Like people, you know, there's guys out there that talk about this stuff, right, that aren't necessarily as big.
	But for you to go on Rogan and talk about this and kind of aware the American masses of, hey...
	Look, this has been a problem for a long time.
	We've been encroaching on Moscow.
	You know, Putin is actually, you know, obviously operating in a national security sense to protect this country.
	And I love the analogy you use with Mexico, because I use that all the time, too.
	Like, if China decided to put missiles in Mexico City, we'd be in there tomorrow.
	We would literally get them the fuck out of there and overthrow that country.
	So I find it interesting how we can exercise extreme, you know, force when necessary to protect our sovereignty, but other nations do it and they're considered, you know, evil.
	Oh, go ahead.
	Real quick.
	We've got a hype train on Twitch right now.
	Oh, shit, yeah.
	Go support the hype train.
	Yeah, guys, go support the hype train because obviously this is a pretty based conversation here.
	So that's your take on Russia-Ukraine, which I 100% agree with as far as NATO was encroaching on Moscow and they had to make a move.
	And then you got the Donbass and Crimea and how they were fighting all the time and their ethnic Russians anyway.
	That's a whole thing.
	What's your take on...
	And I'm leading up to this because I want to get all your political takes and then we'll go into the debate yesterday.
	Sure.
	What is your take on, very controversial here, Israel, the war in Israel right now in Gaza?
	I mean, it's just...
	It's the worst goddamn thing in the world.
	I mean, I don't know what to say.
	It's been almost a full year of it.
	And it is so much worse than even what Russia is doing to Ukraine.
	And in many ways, it's so much worse than even what the US did to Iraq.
	I mean, look, the people of Gaza are...
	A captive people.
	They've been controlled by Israel since 1967.
	And it's not even just that they've been controlled by Israel since 1967, right?
	A huge proportion of these people were driven out by the creation of Israel in 1947-48.
	And now you have almost a situation where, in a sense, you have to think of this...
	Okay, so Israel's been controlling Gaza since 1967, after they created the refugee crisis that sent all the refugees there in very late 1947-1948, okay?
	But so, you could kind of get away with...
	Maybe you occupy a territory for like six months after a war.
	Maybe even like two years after a war.
	But if you're telling me since 1967 you've controlled these people and there's Hasbro, Zionist talking points that'll be something like, well, we pulled out in 2005.
	That's all a bunch of bullshit.
	Yes, they pulled out from militarily occupying the area and just surrounded it and controlled everything about it.
	But since 1967, Israel has controlled Gaza.
	And...
	Once you recognize that, you realize that the standard by which Israel should be treated is almost like these are kind of your own people.
	You know, like maybe you don't view them as your own people, but in the same way that like How would you view slaves in America in 1820?
	Those are your people.
	If you have control of them, then you have responsibility for them.
	And so I think almost the way Israel's assault on Gaza should be viewed is kind of like if If like the Bloods or the Crips in Chicago broke out of the South Side and went and killed a few white families in some nice Chicago neighborhood, and then the response from the Chicago police was to bomb the South Side.
	Just fucking slaughter all of the people there.
	That's our response.
	We don't have to go in there.
	We don't have to negotiate.
	We don't have to do special operations missions.
	We don't have to do undercover work.
	We're just gonna light the whole place up.
	And then we'll figure it out.
	How many women and children are we gonna kill?
	10,000?
	100,000?
	I don't know.
	Something like that.
	Who knows?
	And then like that.
	So first of all, I think it's like the worst thing in the world and substantially worse in some way than just attacking another country.
	It's more akin to killing your own people in your country.
	And then on top of that, America is forced to pay for the thing and arm the thing and fund the thing and then on top of that American politicians aren't even allowed to criticize it or there'll be millions of dollars that are spent against you in your next political campaign and you know the only way you're ever going to be able to really maintain serious power is if you go over there and like cry in front of their wall
	or something like that and so You know, I don't know.
	I mean, we could talk about this for hours, but it's like how I feel is it's just the fucking most appalling thing in the history of the world.
	And like, how can any of us, how can anyone not see that?
	Yeah.
	No, it's crazy how AIPAC runs our entire political structure.
	And if you don't appeal to AIPAC, you're not going to get elected.
	They literally brag about it on their website.
	And the fact that they don't have to register into Farah is wild.
	And that's a whole other rabbit hole, how that came to be.
	But okay.
	And then what about your take on inflation right now as it sits?
	Well, I... Okay, so that's a whole...
	These are all real...
	By the way, every one of these topics, we could do like a whole podcast on any one of them, you know?
	It's leading up because I was going to ask you about the debate next.
	Sure, sure.
	So I'll just say this quickly about inflation, okay?
	I think...
	I think there's a huge misunderstanding amongst the laymen about what inflation even is.
	And that, you know, a lot of people kind of think that inflation is when prices go up.
	But that's not really true.
	Like, strictly speaking, there is what people call price inflation.
	But if anyone's listening who's in finance at all or something like that, if you were taking your Series 6 test or your Series 7 or your Series 63 or something like that, and if there was a multiple choice and they said, what is inflation, and you said rising prices, you'd get that answer wrong, right?
	That's not what inflation is.
	What inflation really is, is an increase in the money supply, an increase in the amount of money and credit that's chasing the same amount of goods.
	And so, just for example, and I know this is all in theory and stuff, but I think it's important.
	Let's say that you lived in a society where prices were about to collapse.
	Like, I don't know why.
	Maybe, you know, your whole economy is like picking apples, and then you came up with a machine that picks apples way quicker.
	And so now you're like, oh, the cost of apples is going to collapse.
	But then you print a ton of money, and the price of apples stays exactly the same.
	Now, you could say there's been no inflation because the prices haven't gone up.
	They've stayed exactly the same.
	But the truth is they were supposed to collapse.
	And then your money printing is what kept them at the same level.
	So you've still robbed from the people, you know, like they were supposed to get a way cheaper Apple.
	And now they got to pay the same amount for it.
	So likewise that or so as follows from that.
	The money printing is what creates the inflation.
	And the reason why prices have been going up, and this is one of the reasons why, like, you know, Donald Trump is very largely responsible for this.
	It's not as simple as the Biden inflation.
	In 2020, they printed like $6 trillion to try to like, you know, offset the pain of the lockdowns.
	And then in 2021, they printed like another $4 trillion.
	And they tried to just keep this thing going.
	And then the prices started spiking.
	Almost like 50% of the money circulation was printed in those years that you described.
	Almost 50% of the money in circulation.
	Yeah, it's insane.
	I mean, it's like, and then people go, why the fuck is everything so goddamn expensive?
	It's like, well, what do you think this is, man?
	It's supply and demand.
	You're trading dollars for products.
	Well, what do you think?
	What would happen if we made more of the products?
	Oh yeah, they'd be cheaper.
	What would happen if we made more of the dollars?
	They'd be more expensive.
	And so that's what's happening.
	And it's like, it's the worst fucking scam in the world.
	The whole goddamn central bank model and the Federal Reserve, which is our central bank, is they're literally, they just print money out of thin air and all they're doing is robbing from you.
	Like essentially, there's no difference between me Like if the entire economy was me and you, Myron, and I could just print money, there's no difference between me printing it and taking it out of your bank account.
	Now, when there's 300 million people or whatever, okay, it's not just yours, but still the same thing is printing money is just taking it from you.
	It's the same fucking thing.
	They might as well just be robbing you.
	So inflation is all about the money supply, and that's all about central banks.
	And central banks are the enemy of the human race.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Every civilization that's used central banking has pretty much fallen at some point.
	Dave, who runs the banks?
	The central banks?
	Well, is that a setup for the Jews who run the central banks?
	The actual people, I think it's the member banks, and I don't know, go read a creature from Jekyll Island, but it's like, yeah, essentially the most powerful industrialists, not all of them Jews, but some of them, they're the ones who kind of came up with this whole scheme.
	I agree.
	So we talked about, okay, foreign policy, oh, I think I know your stance on this one, but just so the audience knows, Second Amendment, where do you stand with it?
	Like a...
	A total absolutist.
	Okay.
	I mean, I think there might be a point where, like, if we could get into, like, should you be allowed to have nuclear weapons in your garage?
	And I might say, like, you might have to have some, like, it might have to be up to code.
	But every weapon you could think of, I want people to be able to own.
	No bans at all.
	Okay.
	So absolutists with the Second Amendment.
	So, okay, now that we kind of know your stances with, you know, some of the hot-button topics, did you watch the debate last night?
	Yeah, I sure did.
	You did?
	Okay, so I definitely want to get your take on it and have you break it down.
	You guys want me to reach out real quick?
	Can I play my game real quick with Dave?
	You want to play?
	Okay.
	Just real quick.
	Yeah, we started and we only did Candace Owens.
	Oh, okay, okay, okay.
	So here's some names here.
	Well, I was going to get into Candace Owens after and the censorship and shit, but that's fine.
	It's a quick fun game with the audience, too.
	All right, go ahead.
	So Dave, we mentioned Candace Owens.
	What about Nick Cuentes?
	Honest thoughts.
	Bastard.
	Um, Nick, uh...
	I think Nick is an incredibly talented broadcaster or whatever.
	I think that makes me sound old when I say broadcaster, but streamer?
	Streamer, yeah.
	Sure.
	I think an incredible talent.
	Okay.
	Have you seen the beef back and forth between Candice and Nick on X? Yeah, I think I've been a part of it.
	Yeah, you're in the dab middle.
	I don't see why specifically, but I get his gripe review.
	Do you think it could be resolved?
	Sure, yeah.
	Look, I mean, nothing's happened between me and Nick that's so serious that it couldn't be resolved.
	But I don't know that it will.
	I mean, I don't particularly care to resolve it or not resolve it.
	It's not like...
	Me and Nick weren't, like, friends.
	Like, I've never met him.
	I've met him the same way we're meeting each other right now.
	Like, I've never been in the same room as him.
	But I don't...
	You know, I've had, like...
	people who I really fucking hated and I think Nick's probably had people he's really fucking hated and I don't really think either of us are that for each other I think that um Nick was uh how do you how do you African-Americans say it I think he was out of pocket am I using that am I using that correctly on point okay so I don't I think I I think it was
	it was lame the way he came at me and it didn't really make any sense but whatever I don't you know I don't know I also I I you know and look I gotta be honest man like I really my focus is on I mean look, my focus is on, like, my family and my career, and then my focus is always, at least I try to be on, like, what really matters.
	Right.
	Like, what really matters.
	So what really matters is, like, what's going on in the war that's happening right now?
	Like, what's going on in our economy?
	What's going on with the state of our country?
	What's going on?
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	And, like, I don't.
	I don't exactly know what the beef with Nick and Candace is.
	I will say from what I've seen of it, it seems to me pretty wild that With the developments of the last few months, Nick would decide to start coming at Candice and me like this.
	It does make me go like, dude, what do you actually care about?
	What's really your motivation here?
	And as far as the last little bit that I saw was Candice's last show, where I guess Nick had kind of indicated that...
	Candace has been listening to his show forever and that's how she got this information and that he knows some shit about her and Candace is like that's just none of that's true.
	I tend to believe her on that, but I don't really know.
	I don't know what the situation is.
	Okay.
	Ben Shapiro.
	Oh, I can't stand Ben Shapiro.
	And you know why I really can't stand Ben Shapiro?
	I don't actually know how old you guys are, but I think I'm a few years older than you guys.
	I'm 41.
	I told you guys, I got real into the Ron Paul campaigns in 2008, and then he ran for president again in 2012, and I remember how Viciously Ben Shapiro attacked Ron Paul, who is, at this point, by the way, this is many years later, but I've met Ron Paul many times, and I've been on his show, and I've interviewed him on my show, and I've just been at a lot of events with him.
	I know his family.
	We have a lot of friends in common, and he's just, to me, the goddamn...
	I mean, I just can't explain it.
	Like, he's the greatest living American hero to me.
	Just like the greatest person.
	And Ben Shapiro viciously attacked him.
	Viciously attacked him as like a Jew hater, as like an alt-right anti-Semite for nothing.
	I'm sure what you guys do know is kind of about how the culture of the internet today.
	If you think about the most hardcore, trolly, blood sports, edgelord culture of the internet today, there was nothing like this in 2008 or 2012.
	And Ron Paul is like He's in his 90s right now.
	He is a conservative Christian country doctor who's never been a part of it, has never said a mean slur in his word.
	He's just nothing but a gentleman.
	And Ben Shapiro viciously attacked him.
	So I've fucking hated Ben Shapiro since longer.
	Anybody listening to this show who hates Ben Shapiro, I hate Ben Shapiro so much better than you hate Ben Shapiro.
	You have no idea.
	I've hated him forever.
	And I've always seen him as a guy who's like, whatever the other shit he says is, what he really cares about It's foreign policy.
	There's a lot of people like that in American politics who like they may really say, you know, you know, Dick Cheney and Bill Kristol and all these people who are like supporting Kamala Harris now, they would have been on the other side.
	And I remember when they were in 2004.
	They were trying to say the wedge issue in the presidential election then was like gay marriage.
	So George W. Bush said that he was going to pass a constitutional amendment to make sure that marriage was between a man and a woman.
	And all of the neocons got on his side about it.
	You know?
	Because they just wanted to keep...
	They thought that was a way to trick the rubes to get him re-elected.
	And so they'll be on that side of the culture war or this side of the culture war.
	They don't really give a shit.
	They just want to keep the wars going.
	That's all they care about.
	And fuck all those guys.
	Last two.
	The neocons.
	Destiny.
	The streamer.
	False on him.
	I don't know, man.
	I don't really have too many thoughts on Destiny.
	I think he's made a bunch of videos about me.
	Literally, the only time I ever talk about Destiny is like this, when someone asks me a question about Destiny.
	Okay, so I would say this.
	He's been making these videos being very insulting to me, and I've seen a couple of them.
	I've seen them, yeah.
	I guess I would say that I find Destiny to be an incredibly bizarre person who, like, and look, I don't even mean this the wrong way, Destiny.
	If you're listening to this, I'm sure you'll make another video about this.
	It's not saying one of us is right and one of us is wrong.
	I'm saying we are oil and vinegar.
	Whoever you are as a man makes me go, ugh, I don't want to be around that.
	And I'm sure you feel the same way about me.
	That's fine.
	I have every...
	Everything that I've seen of Destiny, which hasn't been much, I always feel like he just doesn't come off to me as a guy who is genuine.
	He comes off to me as a guy who's trying to, like, win the next...
	Round in a tennis match and trying to like outsmart you with this latest thing that he's said, none of which I find to be particularly smart.
	It's fine.
	I think he's been lobbying to debate me forever.
	I think I agreed to debate him once and then the people setting it up wanted me to switch the debate, so I switched it.
	Like, I don't...
	I don't know.
	I'm very unimpressed by him, and I just don't like what he does.
	So I'd kind of like to just not be around it, if that makes sense.
	Perfect.
	Last one.
	I'll let you go.
	This guy's derailed my whole fucking line of questioning.
	Top G! Andrew Tate.
	Thoughts on Andrew Tate.
	Honestly, I don't know enough about Andrew Tate to really have an opinion on him.
	What I could say is this.
	It's like...
	I think that...
	Andrew Tate is a phenomenon for a reason, and I think that he's an archetype of a male figure that I think a lot of young men always innately aspire to be.
	Like, you aspire to be the guy who's, like, dominant, like a kickboxer with the best fucking car.
	You know what I mean?
	And especially in today's environment that is so dominated by, like, insane...
	Woke fourth wave feminism that it makes sense that he would take off in the way that he did.
	And I've seen clips of Andrew Tate where he's breaking down an issue that I think is completely right.
	And when he does it, you're kind of like, yo, I don't know if anyone could have said that in a better way than he just said it.
	That was fucking perfect, you know?
	So that's kind of...
	Being said, from the stuff that I've seen that's come out, I can't explain how much I hate all the pimp shit, and I'm totally against that, and I hate that message, and I think that's the worst thing to send to young men.
	I'm a family man, that's what I believe in promoting, so I don't like that.
	Although it does seem to me, and again, I don't know enough to know whether I'm right or wrong about this, but it does seem to me like I think him and his brother have been kind of moving away from that and moving on to some other shit.
	So I would just say I hate that stuff, but I do kind of like some of the stuff I see out of them.
	And as far as any of the charges or any of that, I have no goddamn idea what really happened.
	But I will say that an American citizen, or two American citizens, I should say, being held without charges in a foreign country with no due process, I'll say that if there's any role for us even having a government, it should be to try to get those people out and try to have their back.
	So that's...
	I don't know.
	I don't think there's much more than that that I could say about the Tates.
	Well said.
	Okay.
	Thanks for derailing my goddamn question.
	Hold on.
	These clips are going to go viral.
	Watch.
	I'm helping out here, man.
	I'll read the chats real quick, and then we'll get into the debate, because now we kind of know where you stand politically, so I want to definitely get your takes on some of this stuff.
	Thanks, Dave.
	The Cruxy goes, two of my favorite creators, Dave Myron and the audience need to check out Legion of Skanks, similar humor, versus already met Clint, so try to get Clint on.
	I need an After Hours with Dave Smith and or Louis J before I die.
	Okay, Cruxy.
	What else do we got here?
	We got Bro just took a lick of Mo Sweat.
	Showstopper, HBK. Okay.
	The chief here, fuck these losers, Kaka and Skeet.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	The two comedians.
	Yeah, losers.
	That's from Fresh Update.
	Shout out to you, bro.
	D-Raps goes, Maren, you called this shit weeks ago.
	Last night, Taylor Swift endorsed Kamala.
	I'm not going to lie.
	We are doomed.
	Yeah.
	And I definitely want to talk with Dave about that as well.
	I told you guys right before the election day.
	Dave, big fan of your comedy, brother, just as equally a fan of your political views as well.
	I don't always agree, but I can definitely respect a man who does his due diligence and is articulate about getting the message across.
	By the way, as a big fan of Rogan, I really enjoyed you calling out Chris Cuomo about his part with the dewormer medicine.
	Oh, I think the vaccine is what he means.
	Right?
	No, he means the Ivermectin, because Cuomo's on that shit now.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	Love Dave Smith.
	Thank you guys for keeping up with Great Content Consistently.
	That's from Ram15Ram.
	And then we got...
	That's it?
	Alright.
	So, obviously the presidential election was last night.
	I know you tuned into it.
	What are your initial thoughts?
	Who do you think won, if anyone?
	And what do you think the next step is going to be from this point forward?
	Well, you know, I just did a whole podcast on this earlier today, and I know this is gonna, like, piss people off, but I fucking...
	And it doesn't make me happy to say it, but I thought it was overall a win for Kamala Harris.
	Wait a minute!
	Really?
	Look...
	Well, again, when I say a win for Kamala Harris, just to be clear, I'm not saying that by points she won the debate.
	I think by points Donald Trump won the debate.
	Donald Trump landed more punches on her than she landed on him.
	And yes, the thing was...
	Outrageously unfair.
	And look, every debate Donald Trump's in, you always know that the fucking corporate media people are going to be totally unfair to him.
	But last night was like appalling.
	I don't think I've ever seen anything like that in a presidential debate before.
	I mean, there was this famous moment where I believe her name was Candy Crawley.
	Was the moderator between Obama and Mitt Romney.
	And one time, she fact-checked Mitt Romney.
	And it was about something that he was right about.
	And she fact-checked him and still said he was wrong.
	And people were flipping out.
	But I've never seen a presidential debate where they did it over and over and over again and never to the other side.
	And even though Kamala Harris was lying through her fucking teeth about a bunch of shit, whether it was like Trump's position on IVF or the fine people on both sides or the Project 2025, they never called her out.
	They only called Trump out.
	They were totally unfair.
	But you know what?
	I kind of have the attitude, and I've seen some videos of you two guys kind of talking out like young men who listen to you with this thing, where you're like, you know what?
	No excuses.
	It doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter how much things are stacked against you.
	Your job is to fucking win.
	That's all that matters.
	You know, I said on my podcast earlier today, it's kind of like Okay, if I'm in my house, and I got my wife and my kids here in my house, and then let's say there's three guys with guns who come trying to invade my house, and I'm just here with my gun.
	You know, I'm one guy with a gun.
	Three guys with guns are coming in trying to invade my house to kill me and kill my wife and kids.
	I don't have the luxury of sitting around and going, man, this is so unfair.
	There's three of them, and there's only one of me.
	Yeah.
	This is bullshit, you know?
	Like, fuck that!
	That's nothing.
	What it is to be a man is that you have to win, no matter what is handed to you.
	That's your job, is to win.
	And Donald Trump, at least as far as I'm concerned, had so many opportunities to just deliver knockout punches.
	Like, knockout punches.
	Donald Trump should be up by 50 points against fucking Kamala Harris.
	This Fourth-rate nobody fucking chick who's only where she is because literally she sucked dick to the top like he should destroy her and he didn't he just didn't he rambled on and on he took the bait from her at a whole bunch of times where she'll just insult his crowd sizes and then he argues with her about that he wasn't like There's all these tight arguments against Kamala
	Harris, and he couldn't put any of them together.
	Look, the fucking president of the United States of America is a senile man.
	We don't have a president.
	And he wasn't even able to really successfully bash her for that.
	Like, he kind of bashed Biden for...
	He was like, oh, you got to wake him up at 4 p.m.
	or whatever.
	But he didn't really connect that to her.
	To say, no, you were lying to the American people and telling them he was competent when he's not and he's still the president.
	And there were some...
	And then look man, the whole thing he said to her about how she loves the Palestinians and Israel will be gone if she wins.
	And there were just so many moments in the debate where it was like, dude, look, I think that's it.
	I don't think they're going to have another debate.
	And that was your one shot to really land damage on her.
	So I'm just like, I got to say, I'm totally disappointed in his performance.
	I think it could have been much better.
	So, I'll give you my take on it, because I was watching it and reacting to it live last night.
	What I think is, I think Trump won the debate.
	However, he won it by a hair.
	And I do think that when he won his parts, he definitely won it.
	But the issue is this.
	We're so tight in a race that I don't think he actually brought any independents or anyone that's in the middle over.
	That's the problem.
	So, if you were supporting Trump before, your views aren't going to change.
	If you were supporting Kamala before, your views aren't going to change.
	And you can even make the argument that Kamala might have converted more people that were in the middle.
	Because she just was a little bit better at articulating herself.
	She was able to get him riled up on certain things that didn't matter.
	Obviously, I agree with you 100% that it was an unfair playing field because they fact-checked him on a couple of things, like abortion.
	They fact-checked him on...
	The dogs and the ducks!
	Yeah, the dogs.
	They brought up the Central Park Five, right?
	They asked her.
	They brought up January 6th.
	So they put him in a lot of situations where he was on his back foot and he had to defend himself, but they didn't do the same thing for Kamala.
	They didn't ask her about him.
	Oh yeah, of course.
	Of course not.
	Nothing even close.
	And look, honestly, I'm not even really disagreeing with your overall assessment of it.
	I guess the point I'm making is that I never really thought there was a chance that Kamala Harris was going to do so much damage to Donald Trump that it would change the course of the race.
	But I did think there was a real chance that Donald Trump could do enough damage to Kamala Harris that it would change the course of the race.
	And he just couldn't.
	And even with all those things that you're talking about, yes, they put him on the back foot, but...
	I don't know.
	He just seemed to me like a little bit older and a little bit lower energy.
	And like all of those examples that you've used could very easily by any sharp person, you could easily turn those right back around on him.
	Like even the central part five, he could have like just been like, Hey, yeah, they did it.
	By the way, they did it.
	Just because they got off doesn't mean they didn't do it.
	And then let me tell you all about that.
	But the thing is, he doesn't actually know anything about that.
	So he doesn't really have anything to say.
	And then, like, that was true with so many different topics.
	Like, Donald Trump, a lot of his instincts are correct.
	But he doesn't really have a deep understanding of any issue.
	And so he just wasn't able to, like, really, like, attack her.
	Even when...
	It was, the topic was, you know, all of the policies that she's walked away from.
	Yeah.
	Like, he didn't do a good, look, here's the thing you gotta recognize, right?
	And I'm sure both of you guys could understand this.
	So, if you, let's say I'm on the Fresh and Fit podcast, and the topic is feminism.
	Yeah.
	Or the topic is OnlyFans girls or something like that.
	Now, I could assume with your audience that I kind of don't have to start from square one.
	You guys kind of already know a bit about this topic.
	Yeah.
	So I could almost start from level four and then build up from that, because you guys already know the basics of this shit.
	I mean, obviously you two do, but your entire audience has heard about this stuff before, right?
	Yeah.
	But then if I was just on some random other podcast that has nothing to do with these topics, and they asked me about feminism, I got to start from level one.
	You know, like...
	If I go on Joe Rogan or Tucker Carlson or one of the really, really big shows, and if they're asking about some shit that my audience might know a lot about, I still understand that I gotta explain it to these masses in a way where for people who didn't know what we're talking about here, You understand what we're saying.
	So when Donald Trump would go, he'd just go, she does believe in the New Deal, she does believe in banning fracking, she does believe in gun control, but he never actually explained it.
	He never actually explained to people that it's like, look, this is what she ran on in 2020, and she's walked away from all of those policies.
	And now she's also trying to walk away from the Biden administration.
	So what is she running on?
	She's running on nothing.
	Like, he never really explained that.
	And it was right there in front of him to do it.
	And I just, I can't help but look at it and go, what a huge missed opportunity.
	So you know what I saw?
	I saw that he spoke to her, and she spoke to the audience.
	And for the most part, in that whole aspect there, she won over the people that were watching.
	It was a direct talk to the audience, not to him.
	Well, I think also the other thing that's important that Dave just mentioned is that most Americans probably heard their policies for the first time during the course of that debate.
	They probably didn't really know where either of them stand like that because most Americans are just simply not that politically savvy.
	Most voters, I would say, are single-issue voters.
	They don't really know and or care about other policies.
	So the debate is really where you iron out your policies while attacking the others.
	And I agree with you, Dave.
	He didn't attack her policies hard enough and how she flip-flopped on so many things.
	He had so many opportunities to dunk on her, right?
	In the first half...
	Instead of answering questions nice and succinctly and staying on topic, he brought it to immigration.
	He should've just waited until immigration was brought up and then absolutely demolished with every single point, right?
	But he didn't do that.
	He brought everything back to immigration at the beginning.
	Then, after the first half, he probably met with his team or something like that and told him, hey, dude, you gotta stay more focused.
	Don't bring everything back to immigration.
	And then they start talking about Russia-Ukraine.
	She brags and says, oh, I was in Ukraine talking to Zelensky three days before Russia invaded.
	And then, bam, Russia invades, and he actually flipped it on her and said, look, this chick is not a good diplomat.
	She went over there to try to broker peace, and what happened?
	She failed, because she doesn't talk to Putin.
	That was fantastic, because he took her argument, stayed on point, and then absolutely showed how she's incompetent.
	If he had done that throughout the entire debate, he would've been able to destroy her, but he was disheveled, he wasn't organized, he didn't attack each of the points, and then it fucking kills me.
	This whole tax credit thing that she's talking about, I'm gonna give $6,000 to families.
	That's your policy, Donald.
	That's you and J.D. Vance.
	You guys came out with that first.
	Look, he had one kind of moment where he alluded to that.
	He said like, oh, they're taking my policies or something.
	But even then, he didn't really explain it.
	And again, like you said, you're totally right about that.
	Most people have no idea about this shit.
	Most people are like, wait, there was that old senile guy, he's out, and now she's in.
	Who's she?
	They don't even know.
	It's like, who's she?
	And he's there.
	And look, all he had to do, right, is like you could say this in a way that everybody would have understood it.
	All Donald Trump had to do is not—you can't just say, they're taking my policies.
	He had to go, look.
	In 2016, when I came down the escalator and I said the most important issue here is that we have to control our borders, Kamala Harris and all of these Democrats said I was Hitler for having that opinion.
	That was their response.
	Now, after their four years of rain, they're all saying we have to control our borders.
	So who was right and who was wrong?
	Do you want to apologize for calling me Hitler?
	Or do you want to just, like, acknowledge that, yes, we need to control our border?
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, and this is just off the top of my head.
	I'm just saying, he had weeks to prepare.
	Like, there's just a way he could have delivered that that would have been like, yo, knockout blow.
	Knockout blow.
	And I do think that sometimes, like, I know that, um...
	I saw some people, like Trump supporters online and stuff, and the younger Trump supporters who were saying some of the insults he landed.
	They were like, oh, he was great.
	He got her on that one.
	And I was kind of like, yeah, it was okay, but...
	He really didn't connect the dots.
	He didn't really, like, land the devastating blow.
	I kind of felt like my analogy would be like, if there was a boxer who came out, like Kamala Harris is the boxer, and she comes out, and she's got her hands down at her waist.
	Yeah.
	Just standing in front of him.
	And after 12 rounds, it was like he landed four good jabs.
	Yeah.
	You're like, okay, alright.
	For me watching, and here's the thing, I'm a Trump supporter, but I was so annoyed and angry because she kept bringing up Project 2025.
	She kept lying, and then the fucking moderators bringing up January 6th, trying to frame him as an insurrectionist.
	They asked him about, oh, you're claiming Kamala isn't black.
	They tried to put him on his back foot, but to me, I look at it like, yes, though the moderation wasn't fair at all, I still think he could have destroyed her because the thing is that so many of these policies, she doesn't know what she's talking about, right?
	And I was just disappointed because it should have been a landslide.
	And I think for Trump to win, he needs a fucking landslide to beat her in a debate.
	And I think basically the debate did nothing.
	It cemented people that like Trump.
	They're going to say, oh, he was funny.
	We saw 2016 Trump again.
	He made fun of her, etc.
	And he had some good one-liners.
	And then for the Kamala supporters, they're going to say, oh, she won the debate.
	She was more opposed.
	She was able to get him on the rally thing or whatever.
	And then the people that are in the middle, which is the most important, I don't really think we converted enough of them over to the MAGA side.
	I think if anything, you can make the argument she converted more people in the middle.
	She did.
	I think you're probably right about that.
	Even if not, like, I think you're right, but even if you're not...
	Though I still think he won, but he didn't win enough, not decisively enough, in my opinion.
	Well, let me say it like this, right, for Trump supporters.
	So Donald Trump last night, one of the moments, actually, I thought the most egregious moment by the moderators was when they asked that question about, like, they go, hey, you said recently that you did lose the election in 2020.
	Oh, yeah.
	And he goes, no, I was being sarcastic.
	And no, we didn't lose.
	And he went off on this whole thing about how he actually won.
	And then after he was done, the moderator goes, it didn't sound like you were being sarcastic.
	That's appalling for a moderator to say, well, in my opinion, you're wrong.
	It's like, yo, what the fuck?
	You don't get to add your opinion.
	The fact-checking thing is crazy.
	But you're just now adding opinions?
	That's nuts, okay?
	But let's just say this.
	So Donald Trump is saying he won the election in 2020 and it was stolen from him.
	Okay?
	So if that's true, then as the sitting president of the United States of America, he couldn't stop them from stealing the election from him.
	So what are we dealing with now, when Donald Trump is not the sitting President of the United States?
	Donald Trump is a convicted felon, as they keep reminding you.
	Just a regular citizen.
	And not even a regular citizen.
	A regular citizen awaiting sentencing.
	So how the hell is he gonna stop them from stealing it again?
	So then the only answer, I guess, would be that he has to not just win, he has to win by such an overwhelming margin, That they can't possibly steal it from him.
	So that's the onus.
	And you know what, dude?
	You know what, guys?
	Like, I'm talking to you two.
	Fresh and fit.
	Okay, well, what do you have to do to do that?
	What you have to do is fucking wreck Kamala Harris in a debate.
	Wreck her.
	Not a thing where we could even be sitting here debating over who won and who lost.
	And that shouldn't be that hard.
	Because Kamala Harris is basically, you ever see the old videos of her with Montel Williams?
	She's basically the row of chicks that you guys debate all the time.
	That's who she is.
	Just an older version of that, right?
	So fucking destroy her, Donald Trump.
	Like, I don't think that's too much to ask.
	Like, just, you should be able to just utterly humiliate her.
	And he didn't do that.
	And so that's a failure.
	I'm sorry.
	Like, almost in the same way, maybe this is the way to put it, right?
	So we're like, even when I said at the beginning, I went, you know, I say it's a win for her.
	And then I go, okay, it's not a win on points.
	And then you say, Myron, you go like, well, look, I thought he won, but she probably pulled more people in the middle.
	But let's just say this, okay?
	If some OnlyFans chick came on to the Fresh and Fit podcast, and she got in a long, drawn-out, 90-minute debate with Myron, and then we were even debating over who won, It's a loss for me.
	You lost, dude!
	You lost!
	That's a good analogy.
	Yeah, that's a good analogy.
	That's very good, actually.
	That's a great analogy.
	Yeah, because the people are so disappointed by your performance.
	Even if you win, it doesn't matter.
	And then, like you said before, the odds are so stacked against you that you need a decisive win.
	So, yeah, no, dude, I was disappointed listening to it, because I was just like, because everyone was expecting a blowout.
	Everyone was expecting a blowout, and it wasn't.
	And to her credit, she came out and she performed well.
	Now, there's some allegations that they gave her the questions ahead of time, which now I'm starting to maybe potentially believe.
	Because this woman has been avoiding interviews from adversarial networks.
	She's been avoiding press conferences, etc.
	We know that she's not the best person live.
	And she was fairly poised and articulate when she was talking yesterday.
	So it's plausible that she might have gotten the questions beforehand, especially knowing that ABC, the head of ABC, something Walden, is tight with the Harris administration.
	Yeah.
	Well, do you guys know the Donna Brazile story with Hillary Clinton?
	No.
	Okay, so this was back in 2016.
	This was released by WikiLeaks, and it was, I mean, conclusively true that they found that they had leaked the debate questions to Hillary Clinton.
	So Donna Brazile had sent her—I guess she was at CNN at the time— And she had sent her the debate questions, and so they so conclusively proved this that they had the email from weeks earlier, and then you had the town hall debate where she's getting asked those same questions from the email.
	I don't know for sure about last night's debate, but just to back up your point, they have done this before, like for sure.
	Where they released what the questions were going to be to the Hillary Clinton campaign before the event.
	So it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that they would have done that with Kamala Harris as well.
	But Dave, to your point, it was four versus one.
	It was two moderators and her getting the questions beforehand.
	Oh, yeah.
	But also, they said her earrings were bugged.
	I don't know if it's true or not, but that's what they were saying, a rumor.
	Now, granted, though, how do you defeat a hoe in a debate?
	Mine is a master debating these hoes.
	We've seen it every single night after hours.
	I'm not calling Kamala a ho, but you can get a reference here.
	So Kamala Harris is able to give you what you want to hear in real time.
	And all her prior interviews, she was lacking.
	She was not good at improv at all.
	So to your point, Dave, I think for some reason or whatever, she got questions beforehand and used that to her advantage.
	But honestly, bro...
	I think she won the people's vote at that point.
	She also appealed to emotion.
	And this is, I guess, where – because once we get into this lane, this is where people kind of call me a little crazy.
	I think we need to repeal the 19th Amendment.
	I don't think women should be voting at all.
	And it's because – and I'll tell you why here in a second – Number one, they're not in the selective service, so they don't have skin in the game.
	So I think it's preposterous that they can vote for a leader that can send someone to war when they don't have skin in the game, right?
	That's number one.
	And then number two, I don't think women should be in the military at all anyway, because it creates a lot of problems.
	So I think men should only be in the military, and if we are going to allow women to come in, we only have one fitness standard, and if they can pass it, cool.
	Then they have government service, and then they have some military service, and they complete it.
	Then you go ahead and get to be able to vote.
	But why do I say all this?
	I say all this because people like Kamala Harris are able to kind of come in, appeal to emotion, say a bunch of word salad, because she did this really well when she was talking about reproductive rights.
	Yes.
	Right?
	And this is kind of the thing that pisses me off with the Trump administration and abortion.
	Trump intelligently decided, "I'm going to turn this to the states.
	I don't want to fucking deal with this because abortion is a hot-bond topic and I'm just going to delegate it to the states." But what the Democrats have done is they turned it around and made it like, oh, you don't really have a stance on abortion, so we're going to go ahead and paint you as an anti-abortion guy in an abortion ban, and we're going to just kind of run with that, even though he delegated it to the states.
	And normal people don't know this because we're all aware, but when I was on the FYU campus talking to college girls, they all think that Trump is anti-abortion, and it's like, that's not true.
	He just delegated it to the states because he didn't want to deal with it.
	But the Democrats have been able to intelligently spin it where they're saying like, oh, this guy's, you know, against abortions, etc.
	And we know most women when they vote, reproductive rights is at the top of their fucking list.
	Right.
	That's what they that's what a lot of them vote for.
	They'll put a terrible person in if they protect their reproductive rights.
	I find it interesting, and I called it too, Taylor Swift goes ahead and endorses Kamala Harris on Instagram immediately after the debate, right?
	And we all know who Taylor Swift fans are, you know, ADIQ females that are idiots, and she turned the comments off, right?
	This is why I think women should be voting because they're able to appeal to them emotionally, like Kamala did when she talked about reproductive rights.
	Then she brought in Taylor Swift, who has a huge female base.
	She's relying heavily on celebrities.
	This smoke-and-mirrors campaign strategy that the Democrats employ, it works for people that are more susceptible to propaganda, people that don't really know politics, people that like to see a show.
	And I think it creates a lot of problems, which is why I don't think women should vote, but that's a whole other conversation.
	But I think she was really good at appealing to emotion and not necessarily facts.
	I don't know what your thoughts are on that, Dave.
	Yeah, well, look, I mean...
	I think that you make a fair point, but it also probably applies to much more than just women and much more than just Democrats.
	I mean, it really is like a fundamental flaw in democracy itself.
	That, you know, if you're talking about well over 150 million voters Then what are you going to do?
	Appeal to the high IQ, informed voters?
	What percentage are they out of 150 million?
	Get out of here, dude.
	And look, it's not just Democrats.
	It's not just women.
	It's like, how do you think?
	George W. Bush won re-election by just purely appealing to emotion and like no logical arguments at all.
	And same with Obama and to some degree the same with Donald Trump.
	I mean, you know, he had some good points in there, but really the only way you can put it together is to appeal to emotion.
	It's the only way you can win in a democratic system.
	I mean, it's not—just imagine, like, some nerd who had all the right answers on economic policy and monetary policy and fiscal policy and foreign policy got up there and just explained them in the driest of ways.
	How many votes are they going to win?
	Like, nothing, you know?
	And so, like, that's kind of what the whole system has become.
	And, yeah, I think that really what the game comes down to is how can you appeal to the voters' emotions.
	And it's unfortunate, but, you know, look, just in theory, it makes no sense at all that...
	People should be allowed to vote other people's liberties away.
	It doesn't matter whether it's men or women.
	And I agree with you that I think women are more prone to being fooled by that emotional stuff.
	Yeah, way more.
	Sure, sure.
	I certainly agree with that.
	But at the same time, you know, Look, even in the founding of this country, when we were supposed to be like a constitutionally limited republic, and there were strict limitations on who could vote.
	And, okay, fine.
	Look, it was women weren't allowed to vote, and blacks weren't allowed to vote.
	And you could have whatever problem you have with either of those, and I think there are legitimate arguments against why that's not okay.
	But...
	It was also only landowners.
	No, I agree.
	Blacks shouldn't vote.
	I'm just kidding.
	I'm just saying that like...
	You can't vote.
	I'm not.
	Black.
	I'm just kidding.
	Go ahead, bro.
	If we're being honest, I think that there is...
	Look, like there's an argument...
	argument against both of those things but what but think about the landowner uh uh clause in there like that's an interesting one that no one really ever thinks about today where it's like why would it be that only people who own property get to vote well you can go read the founders writing on this and they were very clear about that
	Because if the people who don't own anything can vote, that they'll just vote that the people who own stuff have to give it all to us until none of us have anything.
	And so, like, look, there is a fundamental flaw in democracy, like, both morally and just in terms of effectiveness.
	That, like, so what are you saying, man?
	Like, we could all just vote?
	Like, if there's a millionaire and five people making 50 grand a year, we could all just have a vote in how resources are shared?
	Well, how do you think that's gonna go?
	Not positive, you know?
	It's just gonna be destructive.
	Let's just vote to take their shit and give it to us.
	I think that's, unfortunately, that's just what politics is today.
	Yeah, I mean, you have to appeal to emotion and appeal to the lowest common denominator because most Americans are stupid and uninformed.
	And, you know, obviously this is why I think the Democrats are so much better at campaigning a lot of the times because they're able to appeal.
	They bring celebrities in.
	They stay current.
	They're cool.
	Like, I mean, they're campaigning right now saying that J.D. Vance is weird.
	Like, they're just kind of able to be the cooler party is what it is.
	But they've painted Trump as the villain.
	And most people, they think he's a real felon, like legit felon.
	And you put that next to his name after what he's done, it's like, yo, who are they going to vote for?
	And like you said, Dave, Most people are not high IQ. So just off our emotions alone, that's going to give Kamala the win.
	I'm telling you, bro.
	So do you think we need...
	I think Trump needs another debate and needs to smash her.
	Kamala's team did say that they would be willing to do another debate even on Fox.
	I don't know how real she is about that.
	But what are your thoughts on another debate and or if it does or doesn't happen, what do you predict is going to happen in the election?
	Man, it's a really tough year to make predictions.
	I'll say that I think that basically that debate last night had minimal effect on the race, and so I think we're right back to where we were, which is that I think Donald Trump is slightly ahead.
	But when I say that, just to be very clear, I mean if we had free and fair elections I think right now Donald Trump has the slight edge and I mean slight edge like not like not a If you flip a coin ten times in a row, I don't think he wins six.
	I think he wins 5.3 or something like that.
	Like, you know, he's like slightly ahead.
	But, number one, that's way too close for comfort.
	And number two, I'm not so sure that the assertion that we have free and fair elections is going to be the case.
	So, what I think is that Donald Trump needs something big.
	I don't know what that is.
	Is it a Fox debate?
	I go, let's just say that Donald Trump said, I'll do a debate, but listen, the corporate media model is dead.
	We have no need for that anymore.
	I'm going to do a debate hosted by Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and Lex Friedman or whoever, whoever the people might be.
	But I'm going with this other internet crowd of people.
	Well, I think we all kind of know That Kamala Harris would never do that, right?
	Like, do any of us think that there's any chance that Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or anyone like that would go on Joe Rogan's podcast with Donald Trump for three hours?
	Does anyone think that might happen?
	Never.
	Absolutely not.
	Okay.
	Now, why is that?
	Why is it that they would never do that?
	Because they're smarter than to go into fucking enemy territory.
	Right?
	Okay, so then maybe Donald Trump should be too.
	Now, I'm just saying that's a question worth pondering.
	Like, maybe there's a reason why they'd never do that, and maybe that's the same reason why you shouldn't have done this one.
	Donald Trump needs to find a way to land major damage on Kamala Harris, and I don't think he's found a way yet.
	I don't know.
	Maybe the answer is to go do a Fox News debate.
	I'm not sure about it.
	But I think what I just said is worth consent, right?
	Dave, to your point, there's a game being played here, and Kamala and the Democratic Party are playing it very well.
	And Trump is learning the game, but it's too late because they're way ahead of him.
	For example, their methods, what they do.
	And I think, like you said before, Trump needs a Trump card, literally, because that's the only way he can win this.
	Okay.
	Trump card.
	Yeah.
	So you're friends with Joe, with Rogan.
	Why won't he have Trump on?
	Because I've been, like, thinking to myself, like, why doesn't he have Trump on, man?
	I mean, I don't really know what the answer to that is.
	I think that— Does he not want to influence the election?
	I know he likes RFK. You know, I know he's had RFK on a bunch of times, and I like RFK, too.
	But, you know, I just don't like that he aligns himself with Schmooley and these weirdos.
	But, like, you know, he's had RFK on.
	Yeah, me too.
	So why not have Trump on and then maybe invite Kamala if she would come?
	I don't think she'd come, but— To be clear, that was, you were saying, RFK lines himself with Shmuley and these people, not Joe Rogan.
	No, no, no, no, I meant RFK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, just in case that sounded.
	When this gets clipped, I don't want it to be, to sound like that's what I was saying.
	RFK lines himself with Shmuley, which, you know, Shmuley's a loser, but, I mean, Rogan hasn't interviewed Trump, and it's like, I get it, if you want to be impartial, why not?
	You can invite Kamala, too.
	She won't come, because, obviously, it's not a, you know, a layup interview, but I I find it interesting how he hasn't had Trump on yet.
	Yeah, I mean, honestly, I don't know exactly the answer to that.
	I don't know why he hasn't done that.
	I think that Joe, first of all, I will just say this.
	Joe Rogan's like one of the best people I've ever known, and I don't just say that because he's helped me out a lot, although I am a very loyal person, and I would never say anything bad about Rogan ever, but I really mean this when I say he's just a really great dude, and I think that I think he is not a super political person and doesn't really want to be that guy.
	That's the impression I get.
	Like he doesn't really want to be the like political kingmaker.
	And I think that he's had, like you said, he had RFK on and he's had Tulsi Gabbard on his show and he's had like some other But it was always kind of people who never really had a shot to win.
	It was just people who, like, he felt like he'd have a really interesting conversation with or there was something they were about that he really liked.
	So, like, Tulsi was about these wars are all bullshit.
	And he was like, I really like what she's saying, so I want to talk to her about that.
	Or RFK was like, hey, the health of the United States is bullshit.
	And he was like, yes, I totally agree with that.
	I want to talk to that guy about that.
	I think that he's never been trying to be a political animal.
	And I know Rogan pretty well.
	He's a pretty good friend of mine.
	And the idea of anyone even just giving a political answer to a question he asked You know what I'm saying?
	Just like when the way they ask questions at the debates and they're like, you know, like the first question was like, Kamala Harris, why are people better off than they were four years ago?
	And she's like, you know, I was raised in a middle class family.
	Like the second someone did that with Rogan, I think he would puke and end the interview immediately and just be like, what the fuck?
	Fuck is this?
	And like, I think he just wants to kind of stay away from that.
	And I really, to be honest, I don't blame him for it.
	I understand why you just don't even want to be mixed up in all this awfulness.
	Yeah, I see that perspective.
	When you have that level of influence, you don't want to, because I remember he said that he likes RFK and then people took that as like an endorsement and stuff like that and he dealt with some headaches and shit.
	I think how he could get away from that, not get away, but like get away with it without being called something is like if he extended an invite out to Kamala and to Trump, then no one could say shit, because they'd be like, "Okay, this guy is impartial," et cetera.
	But I could see your perspective too with not wanting to be involved in politics.
	But what are your thoughts on RFK?
	I'm really excited by the way that he endorsed Trump.
	What was your thoughts on that?
	Because I would argue he's probably closer to libertarian than even being a Democrat, if anything.
	I mean, in some ways.
	You know, he's like an old-school Democrat.
	And so, you know, RFK, I had an interesting relationship with him.
	His son, Bobby Kennedy III, was like a fan of mine, and he facilitated us meeting and him coming on my podcast.
	And, you know, We talked about it very briefly on this show, but I've done real, real deep dives on the war in Ukraine and the whole history of that.
	We could do a five-hour podcast just talking about that stuff.
	And so the first time I had him on my podcast, we just ended up talking about that a lot.
	And he...
	Bobby really knows his stuff on that.
	Like, he's really well read on that whole thing, and he's so good on it.
	And so I was just, I just was really intrigued by the guy.
	And he's very, very smart.
	He's just a very interesting guy, you know?
	And his stuff about health and encouraging health is something that's so sorely, like, missed in American, like, in the American conversation.
	And so I really liked that.
	And it was just like a guy, it was like Jack Kennedy's nephew and Bobby Kennedy's son is on my podcast and he's running for president and this guy like Is smart and reads books and knows what he's talking about.
	And I was just totally, I was like, this is a really interesting moment.
	And I also just thought it was a really interesting campaign because he was such, he was like from democratic royalty.
	And yet he was a repudiation of everything that the current Democrats stood for.
	Like, no, the COVID vax is bullshit.
	This war in Ukraine is bullshit.
	Everything Joe Biden is saying is bullshit, you know?
	And so I loved that.
	I did kind of feel like our relationship was really strained after October of last year and his position on Israel and all that stuff was just very tough for me to You know, accept.
	And then he came back on my podcast to his credit, and we debated about that issue, so I appreciate that he came on that.
	And I will say, ultimately, I think it was a good move that he dropped out and endorsed Donald Trump.
	I think that was probably the best thing he could have done at that point.
	He's a very interesting guy.
	I think he's going to be a force in the American conversation for years to come.
	And I think the stuff he has to say on health, on the deep state, on government corruption, on war generally, when it's not about Israel, I think all of that is really good.
	And so I hope he's a loud voice on all that stuff going forward.
	Yeah, no, I like him as well.
	I think once you get over his voice, because a lot of people complain about his voice, he's actually pretty sharp.
	And I agree with you.
	I think the only thing that I had an issue with was his stance on Israel.
	And it's interesting because his father and his uncle were the last two individuals in American government to stand up to Israel.
	They were the last ones.
	You know, John F. Kennedy was, you know, in the process of trying to get them through, it's a registered affair, APAC, with his attorney general brother.
	And he wanted nuclear inspections.
	And, you know, he stood up to Israel.
	They both stood up to Israel.
	And me personally, I think Israel had a...
	Very strong incentive to get them killed.
	I do think that there's Zionist fingerprints all over the JFK assassination.
	Well, they were certainly blackmailing Alan Dulles, who was the CIA director, who John F. Kennedy ultimately fired, and then who was on the Warren Commission after his assassination.
	So that's, you know, yeah, there's...
	A whole very deep, interesting history there, and I don't know if we know exactly what happened there, but certainly there were some real tensions between the Kennedy administration and the Israelis, no question about that.
	Yeah.
	And I did a whole podcast actually about this.
	It was like four hours long.
	I did it with a guy named Corey Hughes.
	He's one of the best JFK researchers.
	And we went through it, man.
	And we identified who the shooters were.
	It was four of them.
	You know, it wasn't Oswald like they tell you in the Warren Commission, etc.
	And when you do the research, you need to do a deep dive.
	I can send you the link after.
	Um...
	There's Zionist fingerprints all over it.
	Like, I'm not going to, you know, just take the lazy way and be like, the Jews did it!
	Like, no.
	There's a bunch of different individuals from different entities, whether it's the CIA deep state, Israel, the Italian mafia.
	All of these people wanted John F. Kennedy gone, right?
	There was definitely a vested interest in getting him out of here for all of these different entities.
	Which, I guess I'll segue real quick.
	9-11, obviously the 23rd anniversary for 9-11.
	What are your thoughts?
	Who do you think was behind it and what are your thoughts on it 23 years later reflecting?
	Yeah, well, I think that Like, I think Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden and his gang were certainly a part of it.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I think that there's been...
	So, you know, just to say, like, my, you know, the age that I am, you know, I was 18 when 9-11 happened, and it was, like, I guess in the following years, like...
	You know, when I was like 19, 20, something like that, is when essentially the internet changed to the point that you could get videos.
	Like, the internet got strong enough that you could watch a video on it, rather than like, you know, spending all day downloading a picture or whatever.
	And it was almost like for people of my time, the two incredible innovations of videos online were porn and loose change.
	Like that was like literally what dominated like the college dorm room that I was in.
	We're those two things.
	And essentially, both of them were bad for you.
	Okay?
	Neither were good.
	Okay, so with the loose change thing, I think they got everything wrong, and they had like four versions of that documentary, and they kept changing their theory every time, and I don't think they got it right any one of those times.
	And also, I think internet porn was very bad for my generation and younger generations of guys.
	But...
	I will say that there was something amazing about the fact that people were so skeptical of the criminals in charge of our government that they were willing to, like, really consider this possibility.
	And I think, ultimately, one of the guys who made Loose Change even admitted later that they didn't really know what the fuck they were talking about.
	They were kids who made a video in college.
	But the Truther movement and that thing kind of just, like, grew more and more and more.
	And I think a lot of that was because The government was so obviously corrupt and lying through their teeth that it just seemed like more and more people were like, well, I'm willing to look at what's happening here and what the other possible outcomes could be, and maybe you guys did this whole thing.
	I will say that, to me, the 9-11 conspiracy that kind of stands the test of time, that I don't think we have a real answer to, is essentially that those 28 redacted pages do show that there was high-level Saudi involvement in 9-11.
	And so, okay, if you accept that first step...
	But once you accept that, If it goes to the top in Saudi Arabia, or I don't know how high it goes, but it goes very close to the top.
	And if that's true, you kind of have to ask yourself, would Saudi Arabia just do that?
	Like, are you telling me the government of Saudi Arabia that since the 70s has been propped up and protected by the United States of America, that they would risk I mean, look, they only declassified those 28 pages so many years ago.
	But, like, U.S. intelligence has known about them from the very beginning.
	So if the Saudis were going to do this, they would have known.
	That U.S. intelligence was going to figure this out at some point.
	It's not like they could get away with it.
	And would they really risk that?
	Does that make any sense?
	Does it make any sense that they would risk the government that props them up?
	It almost seems like they would have needed to have permission from, let's say, other governments.
	And the key players involved would have been...
	You know, it would have been D.C. and Tel Aviv.
	That's who you'd need to have permission from in order to like actually feel comfortable to do this.
	Yeah.
	And so, you know, my buddy Scott Horton, who's like, I think the most brilliant, the most brilliant foreign policy guy in the United States of America, what he always says, and I think he says this tongue in cheek, but I think only...
	Only slightly tongue-in-cheek.
	He was like, well, if anybody should have been waterboarded after 9-11, it should have been the Saudi prince to find out exactly what the hell you knew and who gave you this permission.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So I'm open to those conspiracies.
	I do think there are other conspiracies.
	I do think that...
	The missile hitting the Pentagon and the Building 7 stuff I think is greatly exaggerated, and I think people connect a lot of dots that shouldn't be connected, but there is a real question there of like, what the fuck was going on?
	How high up the...
	And like I'm open to the possibility that maybe it only went so high up the Saudi chain and not all the way to the top, but...
	It certainly does raise some eyebrows of like who really knew what and who gave permission to who.
	But I will say what we do know for absolute certain that we don't have to speculate about, we don't have to wonder about, is we know that the neoconservatives had written That they wanted to invade Iraq, that they wanted to fight multiple wars in the Middle East,
	that they wanted to expand NATO all the way up to Russia's borders, that they wanted to use the unipolar moment and the collapse of the Soviet Union to expand the American empire across the entire globe.
	And they said in their own words, You can go look this up in the Project for a New American Century.
	They said in their own words that the only way we'd be able to work up the popular support for this is if we had another Pearl Harbor type event.
	Yeah.
	And then they got it.
	And then they got the rest of it.
	The Clean Break memo literally outlined everything.
	And Fresh asked me this question before.
	Whenever people ask me this, I just say very simply...
	Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United States all working in tandem, right, with some other players to make this thing happen.
	Some people dancing.
	Yeah, some people dancing, of course.
	I mean, at this point it's irrefutable that we had Israeli intelligence officers taking video and photos of 9-11 and they had You know, pre-knowledge.
	And that's just like scratching the surface just reading the FBI reports.
	And some of them are still declassified.
	But whenever people ask me, I give them the very simple answer is like, it was these three nations working together to make it happen.
	Obviously, there's a lot more detail than just that.
	But, you know, it goes a little bit further than saying, oh yeah, it was just Osama, or, oh, it was the dancing Israelis only, or, you know, it was the American deep state.
	I think all three of those powers working together, and yeah, you make a good point.
	We've owned Saudi Arabia since Nixon, right?
	So why the hell would they go ahead, and when they don't really even have a military like that, and we protect them, and we prop up their country, why would they do something like that without having high levels of guarantee from the United States and from Israel?
	I agree.
	Yeah, look, and like, I'm open to almost like, is there an answer to that question?
	Were there just some Saudis who were that ballsy?
	Because also, like, you gotta understand that, like, even at high levels of the Saudi government, I mean, we have, one of Osama bin Laden's chief, like, issues with the U.S. was that we had our bases in their holy land, right?
	And like, okay, Maybe there were some people within the Saudi power structure who were really furious about that.
	I'm open to other possibilities about this.
	And I also think that you don't want to discount the fact that these Al-Qaeda fighters were real people who had real motivations of their own.
	I mean, Muhammad Atta, who crashed the plane into the North Tower, he was radicalized by Israel killing a bunch of kids in Lebanon.
	And I think that totally makes sense.
	You know what I mean?
	But then the way these things often work, like if you look into a lot of these FBI sting operations that are really more entrapment things, is they kind of find the people who are radicalized, who are ready to go kill some people, and then they bring them into the fold.
	Now, by the way, it was the...
	It's been a little while since I've done this fucking research, but it was...
	The CIA, for sure we know, was tracking the guys who crashed the plane into the Pentagon for a while.
	And with those stories, there are times where the people are...
	Like, they just fuck up, and their actual plan is to thwart it at the end, and then brag about how they stopped this terrorist attack, and they fuck up, and don't do that.
	You can go look into the history of the first Al-Qaeda attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, where they totally blew it.
	Like, it was an inside job.
	It was supposed to There's no question that the cover-up has been really shady and that the American people have not been told the truth about it thus far.
	That's for sure.
	There are definitely a lot of questions, you know, and I also agree that, yeah, there were terrorists in this.
	There were planes.
	Al-Qaeda, you know, obviously did do this, but I think that they were facilitated.
	Some dude in a cave wouldn't have been able to do this without, you know, it being facilitated to some degree.
	Because we know for a fact that these dancing Israelis were working for a moving company and they were following around a lot of these terrorists.
	Hell, they helped them move from Florida to New York, some of them, to set up for this.
	And not just...
	Not just that, that those guys ended up getting extradited back to Israel.
	Yeah.
	And also that there, it was the, uh, even when there were, um, and again, this is, it's been years since I really dove into this too hard, but there was a double check me on all this, but I'm right about what I'm saying.
	But they also, the Bush administration got a ton of high level Saudis flown out while they're the, all planes were grounded.
	Yeah, they did.
	They were the only flights that were allowed to leave the United States.
	It's crazy.
	100% true.
	And also, a bunch of people got off of work, or took off of work that day.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	There's a very big rabbit hole here where, you know, and I forgot to mention.
	So I would say four counterparts.
	The United States, Saudi Arabia, Al-Qaeda, obviously, and then Israel.
	I think these four different entities had different reasons and different roles in the entire thing.
	But when you really look into 9-11, it's a monster.
	We did like a whole five-part series on this.
	Really deep diving on this, but it's something that we might never know.
	To this day, we still haven't declassified all the JFK documents, and they probably won't fully declassify this stuff either for obvious reasons.
	But Dave, yeah, so what I'll do is...
	Shit, we need to do a part two, man.
	We should.
	Yeah, we need to do a part two.
	This is good, Dave.
	But Dave, I know it's getting late.
	Where can I find you, Dave?
	Yeah, where can I find you, brother?
	Well, ComicDaveSmith.com is my website.
	If you want to come see me live, I tour the country all the time.
	When are you going to be in Miami?
	Yeah, Florida.
	When are you going to be in Florida?
	Or South Florida?
	Um...
	I do not know the next time I'm there, but the next time I'm down there, I will definitely hit you guys up.
	I love coming down to South Florida.
	It's where I always do, like, Patrick David's show at least a couple times a year.
	So next time I'm down there, I'll definitely hit you guys up.
	You know what you should do, bro?
	You should bring Myron on for your first opening act.
	That'd be hilarious.
	I'll do it.
	I'll do it, Myron.
	Let's do it!
	Yeah, I mean...
	I'll come out, man, and show some support.
	I definitely will.
	Like I said, it's interesting.
	I think the whole profession of comedy is fucking awesome, and it's a way to, especially when you're as controversial as me, you've got to find ways to say what you want to say without getting canceled every week.
	Actually, I think what he should do is take on the moniker of a comedian.
	Because that way he can say what he wants, but it's just comedy.
	Yeah, you're like, I was just joking around, dude.
	That was all fun and games.
	You know what does very well is Zerka.
	He can say whatever he wants, and it's just comedy because he's a comedian.
	Yeah.
	So he doesn't hurt that much.
	Israel did 9-11.
	These are jokes.
	These are all jokes.
	I will say this.
	I want to bring you and Nick together because, I mean, I have to sound like both you guys.
	I know you and Fresh were talking about it a little bit.
	I had to step away to get something to drink.
	But, you know, I think in the future, would you be willing to talk to Nick in the future?
	Yeah, I guess.
	I mean, listen, I'm the guy who talked to Nick, like, in the past.
	Like, I had Nick on my show after his YouTube channel got banned, because I wanted to have him on to talk about how that was bullshit, and he shouldn't have gotten that.
	So, I just, I guess my thing with Nick is more like, you know...
	After, like, it's kind of like on some, like, man code thing, where it's like, I don't know, listen, man, like, I don't know you two.
	We just met tonight, right?
	But you guys have been nothing but respectful to me, and so I'm nothing but respectful back to you.
	That's how I am with everyone.
	No matter how, like, no matter what your views are, even if your views are considered to be, like, politically incorrect or something dangerous, it's like, okay, well, let me hear what you have to say.
	Let me see if that makes sense to me.
	And so I felt like I always kind of had that with Nick, and I treated him with nothing but respect, and he was respectful to me, and then we always kind of had, at least I thought, this kind of mutual respect, and whenever people would demand that I denounce this fucking kid, like all the time, and I'd always be like, fuck you!
	I'm fucking denouncing this guy.
	I had a respectful conversation with him.
	Suck my dick.
	Because that's how I feel about that.
	And then I would always see him, people would send me videos where he was like, hey, Dave's a real one because he won't denounce me.
	Even with all this pressure, even when he's kind of blowing up and on all these big shows, he still won't do that.
	So he's kind of a real one.
	And then Over this last year, I've had the biggest year of my career, and I've been leveling up a little bit.
	And then it was like he went out of nowhere to fucking attack me and kind of sick his people on me for nothing.
	For literally no reason.
	Just to go like, fuck Dave.
	Oh, really?
	This Jew is the red-pilled guy?
	No, I'm the red-pilled guy.
	And I should be on these shows.
	But these people won't invite me, they'll only invite him.
	And so it was kind of like this weird thing where you're like...
	Alright, that's a little funky to, like, attack me for nothing.
	And then, and this is really what makes me hesitate about, like, wanting to do a show with Nick or something like that.
	Because then, I just responded and I was like, really, dude?
	Like, alright, fuck you.
	Like, whatever.
	And then, of all people, Nick Fuentes started, like, hosting years old...
	Like screenshots of tweets of mine totally taken out of context and then trying to like send his people at me like well look what he said here look what he said there and all of it was like I mean I don't know it was just it was uh to me it was weak it was really fucking lame and so it did it did kind of leave me being like all right dude well then We could just not,
	you know, whatever.
	Like, I don't give a shit.
	We're not friends.
	We've never met.
	I mean, we've met in the same way the three of us have met.
	Like, we've done shows online.
	Like, I've never been in the same room with the guy.
	I don't really care.
	But it also did just kind of leave me like, alright, that's fucked up.
	You kind of, in a weird way, let me know, like, whatever, like, the kind of, like, code as a man that I have, it's like, oh, you don't really have that.
	So, like, okay, I don't really need to fuck with you.
	So that's kind of how I feel.
	I'm not, like, totally against it.
	I'd have a conversation with him or whatever, but I don't know.
	I thought it was pretty funky the way he came at me.
	And I completely see your perspective.
	I just look at it like, look, you guys are two sharp dudes.
	Obviously, you know, major respect to you for, you know, people.
	Because, you know, that's the thing.
	Oh, do you condemn him?
	Do you denounce?
	And you're like, no, I'm not going to do that.
	And obviously that's like, you know, very strong integrity that's kind of missing in the social media world.
	So I think like this is something like maybe some disagreements on some situations.
	Hell, me and you have disagreed on some things on Twitter.
	But look, we're having a great conversation right now.
	Well, short, short.
	But look, I'll just say this, right?
	And look...
	I don't fucking hate Nick Fuentes.
	I fucking hate the people who control our goddamn government who are ruining this fucking country, okay?
	I have two little kids.
	Like, I got a five-year-old and an almost three-year-old, and they're Americans.
	They're growing up in the United States of America.
	All I really care about is the people who are ruining this fucking country for their future.
	That's what I'm furious about.
	I don't care.
	I do not get involved.
	You know, the whole world of, like, influencers who have beef with other influencers, I don't do any of that.
	I don't give a shit, you know?
	I like to debate ideas, and I like to talk about, like, where the fucking country's going.
	So I don't really care about any of that.
	All it is is that, you know, like, Nick came out and just goes, After nothing.
	There was no reason for us to be having a thing.
	And he comes out and goes, the only reason why Dave's getting invited on these shows is because he's a Jew.
	And he's just being used as the token Jew by all these guys.
	And there is something about that.
	You know, Myron, I saw that clip the other day, and I don't know the background to it at all.
	I just saw a 10-second clip of those guys kicking you off the space.
	- Oh yeah, they didn't want to debate me on the Immigration Nationality Act.
	- And like, there is, listen man, I'm not-- - The INA, they got scared. - Like, listen, I'm really, I don't exactly, I don't know how much I can say this.
	I'm not one of these new leftists.
	I'm not hysterical about bigotry.
	I don't fucking care.
	If you're a racist, whatever the fuck that word even means today, which I'm not labeling anybody, I'm just saying if you do hate someone because of their...
	Okay, I don't think that's the worst thing in the world to be.
	If you're just like, I fucking hate black people and I don't want to live around black people.
	I'd be like, all right, go move to a white neighborhood.
	Yeah, pretty much me.
	That's fine.
	You know, like, that's fine.
	He's a comedian.
	A lot of us do.
	But if you were like, hey, I don't like Jews.
	I don't want to listen to any shows where a Jew's on.
	It's like, okay, cool.
	So then don't listen.
	You know, like, I don't really care.
	But if someone, but at the same time, as I'm sure you could kind of understand, Myron, if someone's like, hey, fuck you, nigger, get off my fucking stream, it's kind of like, okay.
	I just don't really need to talk to those people anymore.
	Like, you know, I'm not like appalled or anything like that.
	But if you're really saying that, like, you're gonna tell me, like, I'm only on these shows because I'm a Jew?
	Like, yeah, I don't know.
	I think there's a little bit more to it than that.
	You know, like, I do a pretty good job on the shows that I come on.
	Like, I got some shit to say.
	So, like, it would just, I certainly, I would never I've always said, if people bring Nick up, when you mentioned his name earlier, I said, Nick's a real talented guy.
	I would never have, like, downplayed what he has to say to the level of, like, oh, he's only there because he's lucky, or he's only there because he's Catholic, or whatever the fuck the thing is, you know?
	So, like, I don't know.
	That did just kind of rub me the wrong way, where it was like, alright, so...
	You know like I'm sure you've had things before in life where if there's a guy it's kind of like just a man thing where if there's a guy who you were like cool to who you showed respect to and then they like kind of wildly disrespect you you'd be like all right you're done it doesn't have to be a whole thing it doesn't have to be a beef I don't hate you I wish you the best of luck yeah But I'm at it.
	I'm done with that.
	That's kind of how I feel right now.
	Okay.
	Well, like I said before, I think when people have certain viewpoints, they need to stick together and align.
	Like I said, I see your perspective for sure, but I think it's maybe just a misunderstanding.
	Regardless, Dave, thank you so much for coming on the show, bro.
	It was really enjoyable talking to you.
	Pause, no mo.
	We're going to be doing our after-hour show, guys, here in a little bit.
	We'll start in probably the next 10 or 15 minutes or so.
	Dave, I'll hit you up on the side.
	And thank you so much for coming on the pod, bro.
	I'll give you the last word.
	Anything you want to say to people?
	Nah, man.
	Thank you guys very much.
	I really enjoyed it.
	I appreciate you guys for having me on.
	Let's do it again sometime.
	Thank you, Dave.
	Absolutely, man.
	Take it easy, Dave.
	Be safe.
	All right.
	Later, guys.
	Have a good one, guys.
	Peace.
	I'm far away.
	I just ran.

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