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Sept. 10, 2024 - Fresh & Fit

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Donald Trump VS Kamala Harris - 2024 Presidential Debate

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	Thank you.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Freshman Podcast.
	Man, I got something special for you guys.
	We're going to be covering the debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.
	I got Sheikh Suleiman in here, a great debater.
	We're going to analyze this thing.
	Let's get into it, guys.
	guys.
	Let's go.
	Let's go.
	Let's go. Let's go.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Frustrated Podcast, man.
	It is Tuesday.
	We don't normally film on Tuesdays, but obviously today is a very special episode.
	We're going to be covering the debate, guys, between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.
	I'm actually really excited for this one.
	I brought some reinforcements.
	I got Suleiman in the house with me.
	If you guys don't know, Huge on Twitter, one of the biggest accounts.
	Talks about a lot of political stuff.
	He's out there in the UK, but obviously he's been paying very close attention to the debate.
	Suleiman, you want to introduce yourself to the people real quick?
	Yeah, thanks for having me on.
	Yeah, my name is Suleiman.
	I am very much ingrained in US politics as well as global geopolitics.
	I think it's imperative and important to know exactly what's happening in the US for the entire world.
	As an example, I always say this, like people are like, why are you bothered about US politics?
	The reason is because US politics impacts the whole world, not just from a foreign policy perspective, but also from an internal policy perspective.
	US decides to do COVID lockdowns.
	UK follows suit.
	US decides to not trade with certain people.
	UK follows suit.
	And so intrinsically, both internally, the UK economics is reliant on America, as is externally foreign policy.
	So anyone outside of America who's not bothered about US policy is literally, as you would say, like a retard because it's imperative to know.
	Yeah, and to be honest with you, I've said this before, I'll say it again.
	The number one reason for me why I'm voting and why I think you need to vote, especially on this election if you're someone that's impartial or you don't care, is because of foreign policy.
	I think foreign policy is the one thing that you can't control, right?
	For example, if inflation is through the roof and things are expensive, etc., you can always make more money and kind of overcome that, right?
	Whoever's in office isn't going to dictate the quality of your life.
	You dictate the quality of your life.
	But us getting into foreign conflicts or sticking our nose in certain areas or putting ourselves in a bad position in a foreign way, that's dictated by the government.
	You can't really control that as a private citizen.
	So you definitely need to put people in office that are going to be anti-war, not warmongers, not war hawks, whatever it may be, these neocon fucks.
	So, I think that's one of the most important things.
	And obviously, you pay attention from that perspective too, because like you just explained, American foreign policy dictates how the rest of the world works.
	Because we're so involved.
	We like to stick our nose in everything, which I don't think we should be doing, but we do.
	So, it would make sense that other people pay attention to our politics as well.
	And right now, guys, we're live on all the platforms on Rumble, YouTube, Twitch, etc.
	As you guys know, we're going to be doing more of our streaming on Twitch.
	So we'll probably cut off at some point the YouTube stream and move you guys on over to Twitch or Rumble.
	But yeah, we got a good one today.
	What else?
	Quick announcements, rumble.com slash freshfit.
	As you guys know, that's the website.
	Make sure to check us out over there.
	Also, castclub.tv.
	Got a whole community over there, guys, where we got 19 different chapters in 19 different cities where you can join in and we have group chats where you guys can network and meet these people.
	And it's just a good time, man.
	So, what else?
	I can hear something.
	Oh, I think that also they can hear me on your thing Who's Mike?
	Oh Oh, it's Suleiman's mic?
	Yeah, I think Suleiman's.
	Yeah, he has a mute one of the times.
	Oh, okay.
	Which one shall I mute?
	Yeah, I think they can hear me back on your thing a little bit.
	Yeah, okay.
	I'll mute this one in the meantime.
	I think Twitter Live can't hear it easy as well, but I'll start in a second.
	But yeah, anyway, look, I think this stream is extremely important.
	I think it's one of the few streams where you've got people with different views.
	I know you're all in with Trump, Myron, or significantly in for him.
	I'm of the position that one shouldn't vote for him at all.
	And so I think it's going to be an interesting dynamic because I think we have different perspectives on a few things, right?
	Oh, for Trump?
	Oh, yeah.
	We don't have anywhere else.
	On Rumble and Rumble, if you look at everyone, just pro-MAGA. If you look at Twitter, generally speaking, everyone's got one position.
	So I think this will probably be one of the few streams where you get two different perspectives.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Very true.
	I mean, with Trump, it's, you know, obviously, I don't like the strong support of a certain nation state, if you know what I'm saying.
	But I think that's with any American politician.
	That's just how it is.
	It's just like a non-negotiable.
	Okay, so what we'll do is...
	Noble, you want to go ahead and...
	Yeah, we were going to start and just watch their pre-show.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So we're going to watch one of the pre-shows and react to that, guys.
	The debate's going to start here in about 10 minutes or so.
	So we'll kind of give you guys...
	We'll be reacting to some of the breakdown already that they're talking about.
	I think we're either on Fox or ABC or NBC? We'll go with ABC because they're the ones hosting the debate.
	ABC is the ones hosting it, right?
	Okay, yeah, we can go over there and see what they got to say.
	And just for those that are unaware, ABC guys, super left, pretty liberal media, unlike Fox News, etc.
	So, I would argue that Kamala Harris has the home field advantage in this situation.
	So, and the way that they're doing debate, from what I understand, they're going to have, obviously, time rounds.
	When one person is speaking, the other person can't, their mic is muted, so you won't be able to hear them when they interrupt.
	And there's no crowd, which is good.
	So this is going to be a situation where I truly think that this is probably going to be the better debaters going to come out on top because you're not going to be influenced by the crowd or people butting in and making side comments here or there.
	So I think this actually benefits Trump more.
	Because one of the criticisms of Trump is that, you know, he has a bad habit of interrupting, if I'm not mistaken.
	They counted up one time when he debated Biden, he interrupted him like 51 times or something like that.
	So I think this format will actually benefit him.
	What are your thoughts, Suleiman?
	Yeah, I mean, I agree.
	Like, I think any type of interruption benefits Trump.
	But the thing is, it's on ABC and obviously ABC is very much Democrat on the side of the Democrats.
	So obviously she's going to have an advantage from the type of questions that are asked, because obviously they're going to be very much pro-Kamala and trying to basically put Trump on the back foot.
	Remember, Kamala Harris hasn't agreed to any debate on any of the right wing channels.
	So again, you can see the perspective where literally Trump's like, you look, I remember this is from somebody who thinks you shouldn't vote for Trump.
	But Trump is showing that, look, I'm willing to go any place, any time, anywhere to debate you.
	And this is a prime example where they're basically debating on ABC, a Democrat-friendly channel, as opposed to Fox.
	And Kamala, as far as I know, has up to now refused to debate on Fox.
	Yeah, and Kamala has also refused to go on adversarial news stations as well for an interview.
	She did, I think it was CNN, which, you know, that was a very soft-pitched interview, and she did it with Tim Waltz right there beside her.
	So, you know, she's...
	Here's the thing, and I'll say this kind of like to give everyone kind of a quick little perspective on what's going on.
	So...
	Let's go back to July 13th, right?
	Trump nearly gets killed, right?
	Huge amount of momentum, right, that Trump's way after he almost got assassinated.
	He goes to the RNC, does a speech, has crazy momentum.
	Everyone's like, man, this guy's gonna win in a landslide.
	I saw even leftist channels saying, yo, Trump's gonna win this because he took the iconic picture with his fist in the air, right?
	Defying an assassination attempt.
	Fast forward a little bit past that, Biden officially steps down and says he's not going to be running for her in the election anymore.
	So obviously that puts Kamala into position to run.
	She gets all the Democrats rally behind her, between the Obamas, the Clintons, everybody gets behind her, right?
	And she gets this surge.
	She starts doing rallies, she starts putting out press releases, etc.
	And one thing that Kamala's camp did very well, which I will give her credit for, is They didn't put her on adversarial networks to do interviews.
	She wouldn't do press conferences.
	She doesn't answer questions.
	She just does her rallies.
	Keeps it high energy.
	Gets celebrities to show up to her rallies.
	Basically, she does a fantastic job of marketing.
	Let's just call it what it is.
	She did a fantastic job of marketing.
	Then the DNC goes...
	They stick on topics that they know that they're going to win the public on.
	The first day was pretty much an entire day on abortion and women's reproductive rights.
	They're demonizing the right for Project 2025, etc., trying to call them radicals.
	And this is kind of where we are now.
	She's just been really good at avoiding interviews, press conferences, going on adversarial channels.
	We haven't really seen her.
	Have her feet to the fire yet.
	The CNN interview she did about a week or two ago was a softball fucking interview.
	They didn't press her on anything.
	It was very easy.
	She did it with her Vice President Waltz who stepped in anytime she felt as though a little uncomfortable.
	They asked her a question about Trump claiming attacking her blackness and she said next question and they didn't press her on that.
	So she's really been playing the campaign on easy mode in my opinion.
	What are your thoughts Suleiman?
	I mean, I agree with you.
	But I think she's made some mistakes as well.
	And I think Trump's made some mistakes.
	Because if you look at it, what's happened is, you basically, as you said, Kamala comes in, they have a huge surge in the polls, a huge surge in everything.
	And that's before Trump has the assassination attempt.
	He tells his team not to focus on the assassination attempt.
	They kind of redirect.
	He goes with this whole idea of we're going to bring America together.
	Yeah.
	And it's a very failed campaign directive.
	And so you see his numbers dwindle and you see Kamala's explode, both in terms of her coming on, both in terms of, as you said, the way her campaign was run.
	She was really doing well on TikTok and various other mediums with these little TikTok shots.
	And then what happened was she made mistakes as well because you're right that she tried to stay away from the media, but that only works to a point.
	And you can see now that's having a negative impact on the polls.
	In a number of the polls, Trump is ahead.
	Now, I don't accept polymarket because we know it's like Peter Thiel control, but there's other ones that are still showing Trump ahead, although there is one showing her ahead.
	I think this debate is monumental because if she manages to do well on this debate or do better than Trump, It's going to monumentally impact the election.
	Yeah, and I agree with you that you can only run from not doing adversarial interviews for so long, right?
	She was able to kind of coast on it for a while, but now the debate has kind of come and she's going to have to put her feet to the fire.
	So it's going to be interesting.
	So on one end, it's good for her because no one really knows what her game plan is because we haven't seen her speak to adversarial media.
	However, it could also be bad because she's not trained up for pushback.
	So, it could go either way.
	I agree with you that, you know, I literally said this when I was on the Hodgson's podcast.
	I said, because they asked me, hey, if they were to have the election now, who do you think would win?
	And at that point, I said, dude, I think she could win.
	And I would argue, even right now, as me and you were speaking to Suleiman, it would, she...
	If we've had the election right now, this very minute, there's a good chance she could win, right?
	We're neck and neck right now in this situation.
	I think this debate is going to be the tiebreaker that's going to dictate everything because the problem with the Trump campaign is they've alienated the very core group of people that supported them the hardest back in 2016.
	He's taken far less conservative stances on abortion, marijuana usage, Migration is a big one that has people angry.
	He made the comment about, you know, hey, we need to staple green cards to degrees, right?
	This is something that he disavowed Project 2025.
	Obviously, we've got the Graper War going on right now because, you know, they feel as though Trump is kind of Fell back on a lot of his original campaigning stances that he had in 2016 that put him in office.
	I mean, I kind of see their perspective.
	I mean, he's essentially become the politician he ran against in 2016 when he came in originally and he said, we're going to drain the swamp, we're going to get rid of the deep state, we're going to make America great again, etc.
	People really believed in that.
	And now, he sounds like a politician, right?
	Crazy enough, he actually sounds like a real politician nowadays, more polished, etc.
	But that's precisely what the people don't want because they wanted that raw, crass Donald Trump, you know, from 2016.
	What are your thoughts?
	You've just made a very, very strong argument of why people should not vote for Trump, right?
	Because literally, you've got a scenario where if you, based on everything you've said, and I completely agree with what you said, Why would you vote for Trump?
	Now, if you make the argument a lesser of two evils, he's going to be slightly better.
	The problem with that is, is you're accepting that this is what American politics is going to be forever.
	And you're basically giving up your sovereignty.
	You're giving up...
	This is what your podcast is about, isn't it?
	Being an alpha male, having your own autonomy, having your own decision making.
	You're literally saying, I'm willing to be basically a slave to...
	To the establishment because Trump had to sell out and we still voted for him.
	I think that's why it's important that actually you withhold your vote and say, and you impact the election to say that actually you alienated the GOP, the Republicans, the Conservatives and all of the men of the Myers that you said.
	And that is not going to work.
	You will lose the election if you do it.
	And if you do that, you will then get a candidate In the next election, who will stand for the people?
	Who will stand for all of those rights?
	You said, if you are willing to sell all of that out right now in this election, you're basically going to have this forever.
	Give up conservatism.
	It's going to be a literal liberal.
	The GOP and the Democrats are going to be essentially liberals.
	And it's going to be highly problematic.
	It'll be a foreign nation that controls the US. Many of the issues that we are...
	I believe that intrinsically problematic for the US is going to continue to be there forever.
	So I am a big...
	I think you give...
	To add to yours, I wasn't trying to...
	No, no, no, it's cool.
	But just to use what you said and say that, look, this is important, that why I think people shouldn't vote for Trump.
	Yeah, and I definitely see your perspective.
	If you're a Trump supporter, well, he's kind of went back on a lot of the things that he campaigned on in 2016.
	My biggest voting points for him are obviously the foreign policy.
	I think that he's going to keep us out of war versus Kamala if we go in.
	I mean, who was it that just recently endorsed her?
	Cheney?
	Dick Cheney, who's a fucking neocon war hawk, warmonger.
	The guy was one of the architects for the Iraqi war in 2003.
	So I think bringing Kamala in is going to create a lot of problems for us from a foreign...
	And then on top of that, Russia's kind of spiking up their attack on Ukraine.
	So I think if anything right now, we need to be focusing on bringing someone in that's going to be anti-war and de-escalating the situations going on in Israel and de-escalating the situations going on in Ukraine.
	I think Kamala coming in would only embolden our enemies to take stronger actions in their conflicts.
	I mean, Putin clearly doesn't respect Kamala Harris.
	I think he trolled when he was endorsing her.
	The other day.
	Let's not forget that the current situation in Israel and the current situation in Ukraine was done under the Biden administration.
	Which Kamala is number two in command of.
	It's just...
	So with that, I just feel like we've got no evidence that Trump's going to be better based on his words, and we can only rely on his words.
	I know we have enough time, but based on his words, it seems to suggest that he's going to be worse.
	Yeah, I mean, we'll see.
	I still think he's a far better candidate than her.
	But yeah, it looks like we're about to start debate here in a little bit.
	Let's go ahead.
	President Biden withdrawing after his last debate.
	Donald Trump now up against a new opponent.
	The candidates separated by the smallest of margins, essentially tied in the polls nationally and in the key battlegrounds, including right here in Pennsylvania, all still very much in play.
	The ABC News presidential debate starts right now.
	This is an ABC News special.
	The most consequential moment of this campaign.
	Kamala Harris.
	Together, we will chart a new way forward!
	Donald Trump.
	Trump needs to win this campaign.
	Sorry, he needs to win this debate.
	This is literally going to make or break the race for Trump because Kamala's been edging him.
	This is a very tight race and we're going to need to show that she's incompetent.
	I think that's what Trump's strategy needs to be, needs to show that she's incompetent, her policies don't work, she's a copycat, and she's faking it.
	So let's go back to it.
	I mean, she's a former prosecutor.
	And around the world.
	It's his to lose.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Away from taking the stage in this unprecedented race for president.
	And I'm Lindsay Davis.
	Tonight's meeting could be the most consequential event of their campaigns with Election Day now less than two months away.
	For Vice President Kamala Harris, this is her first debate since President Biden withdrew from the race on July 21st.
	Of course, that decision followed his debate against President Donald Trump in June.
	Since then, this race has taken on an entirely new dynamic.
	And that brings us to the rules of tonight's debate.
	90 minutes with two commercial breaks.
	No topics or questions have been shared with the campaigns.
	The candidates will have two minutes to answer questions, and this is the clock.
	That's what they'll be seeing.
	Two minutes for rebuttals and one minute for follow-ups, clarifications, or responses.
	Their microphones will only be turned on when it's their turn to speak.
	No pre-written notes allowed.
	There is no audience here tonight in this hall at the National Constitution Center.
	This is an intimate setting for two candidates who have never met.
	President Trump won the coin toss.
	He chose to deliver the final closing statement of the evening.
	Vice President Harris selected the podium to the right.
	So let's now welcome the candidates to the stage.
	Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump.
	So the mic of helps Kamala.
	Kamala Harris, have a good debate.
	Thank you.
	Welcome to you both.
	Thank you so much.
	So, I was raised as a middle class kid.
	And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America.
	I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people.
	And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy.
	Because here's the thing.
	We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing.
	And the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people.
	We know that young families need support.
	To raise their children and I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time, so that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children.
	My passion, one of them, is small businesses.
	I was actually, my mother raised my sister and me, but there was a woman who helped raise us.
	We call her our second mother.
	She was a small business owner.
	I love our small businesses.
	My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy.
	My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before.
	Which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit.
	My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump's sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month.
	Economists have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result for middle class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.
	President Trump, I'll give you two minutes.
	First of all, I have no sales tax.
	That's an incorrect statement.
	She knows that.
	We're doing tariffs on other countries.
	Other countries are going to finally, after 75 years, pay us back for all that we've done for the world.
	The tariff will be substantial in some cases.
	I took in billions and billions of dollars, as you know, from China.
	In fact, they never took the tariff off because it was so much money they can't.
	It would totally destroy everything that they've set out to do.
	They're taking in billions of dollars from China and other places.
	They've left the tariffs on.
	When I had it, I had tariffs and yet I had no inflation.
	Look, we've had a Terrible economy because inflation has, which is really known as a country buster, it breaks up countries.
	We have inflation like very few people have ever seen before.
	Probably the worst in our nation's history.
	We were at 21%, but that's being generous because many things are 50, 60, 70, and 80% higher than they were just a few years ago.
	This has been a disaster for people, for the middle class, but for every class.
	On top of that, we have millions of people pouring into our country from Prisons and jails from mental institutions and insane asylums.
	And they're coming in and they're taking jobs that are occupied right now by African Americans and Hispanics and also unions.
	Unions are going to be affected very soon.
	And you see what's happening.
	You see what's happening with towns throughout the United States.
	You look at Springfield, Ohio.
	You look at Aurora in Colorado.
	They are taking over the towns.
	They're taking over buildings.
	They're going in violently.
	These are the people that she and Biden let into our country.
	And they're destroying our country.
	They're dangerous.
	They're at the highest level of criminality.
	And we have to get them out.
	We have to get them out fast.
	I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country.
	I'll do it again and even better.
	We are going to get to immigration and border security during this debate, but I would like to let Vice President Harris respond on the economy here.
	Well, I would love to.
	Let's talk about what Donald Trump left us.
	Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.
	Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century.
	Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.
	And what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess.
	What we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people.
	But I'm going to tell you all, on this debate tonight, you're going to hear from the same old tired playbook.
	A bunch of lies, grievances, and name calling.
	What you're going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected to again.
	I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us.
	And I pledge to you to be a president for all Americans.
	President Trump will give you a minute here to respond.
	Number one, I have nothing to do, as you know, and as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025.
	That's out there.
	I haven't read it.
	I don't want to read it purposely.
	I'm not going to read it.
	This was a group of people that got together.
	They came up with some ideas, I guess some good, some bad, but it makes no difference.
	I have nothing to do.
	Everybody knows I'm an open book.
	Everybody knows what I'm going to do.
	Cut taxes very substantially and create a great economy like I did before.
	We had the greatest economy.
	We got hit with a pandemic.
	And the pandemic was not since 1917, where 100 million people died.
	Has there been anything like it?
	We did a phenomenal job with the pandemic.
	We handed them over a country where the economy and where the stock market was higher than it was before the pandemic came in.
	Nobody's ever seen anything like it.
	We made ventilators for the entire world.
	We got gowns.
	We got masks.
	We did things that nobody thought possible.
	And people give me credit for rebuilding the military.
	They give me credit for a lot of things, but not enough credit for the great job we did with the pandemic.
	But the only jobs they got were bounce-back jobs.
	These were jobs bounce-back.
	And it bounced back, and it went to their benefit.
	But I was the one that created them.
	They know it, and so does everybody else.
	Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond.
	Donald Trump has no plan for you.
	And when you look at his economic plan, it's all about tax breaks for the richest people.
	I am offering what I describe as an opportunity economy, and the best economists in our country, if not the world, have reviewed our relative plans for the future of America.
	What Goldman Sachs has said is that Donald Trump's plan would make the economy worse, mine would strengthen the economy.
	What the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump's plan would actually explode the deficit.
	Sixteen Nobel laureates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation and by the middle of next year would invite a recession.
	You just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues.
	And I'd invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you.
	I went to the Wharton School of Finance and many of those professors, the top professors, think my plan is a brilliant plan.
	It's a great plan.
	It's a plan that's going to bring up our worth, our value as a country.
	It's going to make people want to be able to go and work and create jobs and create a lot of Good, solid money for our country.
	And just to finish off, she doesn't have a plan.
	She copied Biden's plan, and it's like four sentences, like run, spot, run.
	Four sentences that are just, oh, we'll try and lower taxes.
	She doesn't have a plan.
	Take a look at her plan.
	She doesn't have a plan.
	Mr.
	President, I do want to drill down on something you both brought up.
	The Vice President brought up your tariffs.
	You responded, and let's drill down on this.
	Because your plan is what she calls is essentially a national sales tax.
	Your proposal calls for tariffs, as you pointed out here, on foreign imports across the board.
	You recently said that you might double your plan, imposing tariffs up to 20 percent on goods coming into this country.
	As you know, many economists say that with tariffs at that level, costs are then passed on to the consumer.
	Vice President Harris has argued it'll mean higher prices on gas, food, clothing, medication, arguing it costs the typical family nearly $4,000 a year.
	Do you believe Americans can afford higher prices because of tariffs?
	They're not going to have higher prices.
	What's going to have and who's going to have higher prices is China and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years.
	I charge.
	I was the only president ever.
	China was paying us hundreds of billions of dollars, and so were other countries.
	And, you know, if she doesn't like them, they should have gone out and they should have immediately cut the tariffs.
	But those tariffs are there three and a half years now under their administration.
	We are going to take in billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars.
	I had no inflation, virtually no inflation.
	They had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country because I've never seen a worse period of time.
	People can't go out and buy cereal or bacon or eggs or anything else.
	The people of our country are absolutely dying with what they've done.
	They've destroyed the economy.
	And all you have to do is look at a poll.
	The polls say 80 and 85 and even 90 percent that the Trump economy was great, that their economy was terrible.
	Vice President Harris, I do want to ask for your response.
	And you heard what the president said there, because the Biden administration did keep a number of the Trump tariffs in place.
	So how do you respond?
	Well, let's be clear that the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit, one of the highest we've ever seen in the history of America.
	He invited trade wars.
	You want to talk about his deal with China?
	What he ended up doing is, under Donald Trump's presidency, he ended up selling American chips to China.
	To help them improve and modernize their military, basically sold us out, when a policy about China should be in making sure the United States of America wins the competition for the 21st century, which means focusing on the details of what that requires, focusing on relationships with our allies, focusing on investing in American-based technology so that we win the race on AI, on quantum computing.
	Focusing on what we need to do to support America's workforce so that we don't end up having on the short end of the stick in terms of workers' rights.
	But what Donald Trump did, let's talk about this, with COVID, is he actually thanked President Xi.
	For what he did during COVID. Look at his tweet.
	Thank you, President Xi!
	When we know that Xi was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of COVID. President Trump will let you respond.
	First of all, they bought their chips from Taiwan.
	We hardly make chips anymore because of philosophies like they have and policies like they have.
	I don't say her because she has no policy.
	Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window.
	She's going to my philosophy now.
	In fact, I was going to send her a MAGA hat.
	She's gone to my philosophy.
	But...
	If she ever got elected, she'd change it.
	And it will be the end of our country.
	She's a Marxist.
	Everybody knows she's a Marxist.
	Her father's a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well.
	But when you look at what she's done to our country And when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly, where it's, I believe, 21 million people, not the 15 that people say.
	And I think it's a lot higher than the 21.
	That's bigger than New York State pouring in.
	And just look at what they're doing to our country.
	They're criminals.
	Many of these people coming in are criminals.
	And that's bad for our economy, too.
	You know, you mentioned before we'll talk about immigration later.
	Well, bad immigration is the worst thing that can happen to our economy.
	They have and she has destroyed our country with policy that's insane.
	Almost policy that you'd say they have to hate our country.
	President Trump, thank you.
	I want to turn to the issue of abortion.
	President Trump, you've often touted that you were able to kill Roe v.
	Wade last year.
	You said that you were proud to be the most pro-life president in American history.
	Then last month, you said that your administration would be great for women and their reproductive rights.
	In your home state of Florida, you surprised many with regard to your six-week abortion ban because you initially had said that it was too short.
	And you said, quote, I'm going to be voting that we need More than six weeks.
	But then, the very next day, you reversed course and said you would vote to support the six-week ban.
	Vice President Harris says that women shouldn't trust you on the issue of abortion because you've changed your position so many times.
	Therefore, why should they trust you?
	Well, the reason I'm doing that vote is because the plan is, as you know, the vote is, they have abortion in the ninth month.
	They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor who's doing an excellent job, but the governor before.
	He said, the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby.
	In other words, we'll execute the baby.
	And that's why I did that, because that predominates.
	Because they're radical.
	The Democrats are radical in that.
	And her vice presidential pick, which I think was a horrible pick, by the way, for our country, because he is really out of it.
	But her vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine.
	He also says execution after birth.
	It's execution, no longer abortion, because the baby is born, is okay.
	And that's not okay with me, hence the vote.
	But what I did is something for...
	Fifty-two years they've been trying to get Roe v.
	Wade into the states.
	And through the genius and heart and strength of six Supreme Court justices, we were able to do that.
	Now, I believe in the exceptions for rape incest and life of the mother.
	I believe strongly in it.
	Ronald Reagan did also.
	Eighty-five percent of Republicans do exceptions.
	Very important.
	But we were able to get it, and now states are voting on it.
	And for the first time, you're going to see, look, this is an issue that's torn our country apart for 52 years.
	Every legal scholar, every Democrat, every Republican, liberal, conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote.
	And that's what happened.
	Now, Ohio?
	The vote was somewhat liberal.
	Kansas, the vote was somewhat liberal.
	Much more liberal than people would have thought.
	But each individual state is voting.
	It's the vote of the people now.
	It's not tied up in the federal government.
	I did a great service in doing it.
	It took courage to do it.
	And the Supreme Court had great courage in doing it.
	And I give tremendous credit to those six justices.
	There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born.
	Madam Vice President, I want to get your response to President Trump.
	Well, as I said, you're going to hear a bunch of lies, and that's not actually a surprising fact.
	Let's understand how we got here.
	Donald Trump hand-selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of Roe v.
	Wade.
	And they did exactly as he intended.
	And now in over 20 states, there are Trump abortion bans, which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide health care.
	In one state, it provides prison for life.
	Trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest, which understand what that means.
	A survivor of a crime of violation to their body does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next.
	That is immoral.
	And one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree.
	The government and Donald Trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body.
	I have talked with women around our country.
	You want to talk about this is what people wanted?
	Pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term, suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency room because the healthcare providers are afraid they might go to jail, and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot?
	She didn't want that?
	Her husband didn't want that?
	A 12- or 13-year-old survivor of incest?
	Being forced to carry a pregnancy to term?
	They don't want that.
	And I pledge to you, when Congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of Roe v.
	Wade as President of the United States, I will proudly sign it into law.
	But understand, if Donald Trump were to be re-elected, he will sign a national abortion ban.
	Understand, in his Project 2025, there would be a national abortion, a monitor, that would be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages.
	That certain freedoms, in particular the freedom to make decisions about one's own body, should not be made by the government.
	Thank you, Vice President Harris.
	Well, there she goes again.
	It's a lie.
	I'm not signing a ban, and there's no reason to sign a ban, because we've gotten whatever Everybody wanted.
	Democrats, Republicans, and everybody else, and every legal scholar wanted it to be brought back into the states.
	And the states are voting.
	And it may take a little time, but for 52 years, this issue has torn our country apart.
	And they've wanted it back in the states.
	And I did something that nobody thought was possible.
	The states are now voting.
	What she says is an absolute lie.
	And as far as the abortion ban, no, I'm not in favor of abortion ban, but it doesn't matter because this issue has now been taken over by the states.
	Would you veto a national abortion ban if it came to your desk?
	Well, I won't have to because, again, two things.
	Number one, she said she'll go back to Congress.
	She'll never get the vote.
	It's impossible for her to get the vote, especially now with the 50-50 and essentially 50-50 in both Senate and the House.
	She's not going to get the vote.
	She can't get the vote.
	She won't even come close to it.
	So it's just talk.
	You know what it reminds me of when they said they're going to get student loans terminated, and it ended up being a total catastrophe.
	The student loans, and then her, I think probably her boss, if you call him a boss, he spends all his time on the beach.
	But look, her boss went out and said, we'll do it again.
	We'll do it a different way.
	And he went out, got rejected again by the Supreme Court.
	So all these students got taunted with this whole thing about this whole idea and how unfair that would have been.
	Part of the reason they lost to the millions and millions of people that had to pay off their student loans.
	They didn't get it for free, but they were saying it's the same way that they talked about that, that they talk about abortion.
	But if I could just get a yes or no, because you're running me.
	J.D. Vance has said that you would veto if you did come to your death.
	Well, I didn't discuss it with J.D., in all fairness.
	J.D., and I don't mind if he has a certain view, but I think he was speaking for me, but I really didn't.
	Look, We don't have to discuss it because she'd never be able to get it.
	Just like she couldn't get student loans, they couldn't get student loans.
	They didn't even come close to getting student loans.
	They taunted young people and a lot of other people that had loans.
	They can never get this approved.
	So it doesn't matter what she says about going to Congress.
	So wonderful, let's go to Congress, do it.
	But the fact is that for years they wanted to get it out of Congress and out of the federal government.
	And we did something that everybody said couldn't be done.
	And now you have a vote of the people on abortion.
	Vice President Harris, I want to give you your time to respond, but I do want to ask, would you support any restrictions on a woman's right to an abortion?
	I absolutely support reinstating the protections of Roe v.
	Wade.
	And as you rightly mentioned, nowhere in America...
	Is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and asking for an abortion.
	That is not happening.
	It's insulting to the women of America.
	And understand what has been happening under Donald Trump's abortion bans.
	Couples who pray and dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatments.
	What is happening in our country?
	Working people, working women who are working one or two jobs, who can barely afford childcare as it is, have to travel to another state to get on a plane sitting next to strangers to go and get the healthcare she needs.
	Barely can afford to do it, and what you are putting her through is unconscionable.
	And the people of America have not, the majority of Americans believe in a woman's right to make decisions about her own body, and that is why in every state where this issue has been on the ballot, in red and blue states both, the people of America have voted for freedom.
	Excuse me, I have to respond.
	Another lie.
	It's another lie.
	I have been a leader on IVF, which is fertilization.
	The IVF, I have been a leader.
	In fact, when they got a very negative decision on IVF from the Alabama courts...
	I saw the people of Alabama and the legislature two days later voted it in.
	I've been a leader on it.
	They know that and everybody else knows it.
	I have been a leader on fertilization, IVF. And the other thing, they, you should ask, will she allow abortion in the eighth month, ninth month, seventh month?
	Come on.
	Okay, would you do that?
	Why don't you ask her that question?
	That's the problem.
	Because under Roe v.
	Wade, you could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month, and probably after birth.
	Just look at the governor, former governor of Virginia.
	The governor of Virginia said we put the baby aside and then we determine what we want to do with the baby.
	President Trump, thank you.
	We're going to turn now to immigration and border security.
	We know it's an issue that's important to Republicans, Democrats, voters across the board in this country.
	Vice President Harris, you were tasked by President Biden with getting to the root causes of migration from Central America.
	We know that illegal border crossings reached a record high in the Biden administration.
	This past June, President Biden imposed tough new asylum restrictions.
	We know the numbers since then have dropped significantly.
	But my question to you tonight is, why did the administration wait until six months before the election to act?
	And would you have done anything differently from President Biden on this?
	So I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations for the trafficking of guns, drugs, and human beings.
	And let me say that the United States Congress, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, came up with a border security bill which I supported.
	And that bill would have put 1,500 more border agents on the border to help those folks who are working there right now over time trying to do their job.
	It would have allowed us to stem the flow of fentanyl coming into the United States.
	I know there are so many families watching tonight who have been personally affected by the surge of fentanyl in our country.
	That bill would have put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal organizations for trafficking in guns, drugs, and human beings.
	But you know what happened to that bill?
	Donald Trump got on the phone, called up some folks in Congress, and said, kill the bill.
	And you know why?
	Because he'd prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem.
	And understand, this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a leader who engages in solutions, who actually addresses the problems at hand.
	But what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem.
	And I'll tell you something, he's going to talk about immigration a lot tonight, even when it's not the subject that is being raised.
	And I'm going to actually do something really unusual, and I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies, because it's a really interesting thing to watch.
	You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter.
	He will talk about windmills cause cancer.
	And what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom.
	And I will tell you, the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you.
	You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your desires.
	And I'll tell you, I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first.
	And I pledge to you that I will.
	Vice President Harris, thank you.
	President Trump, on that point, I want to get your response.
	Well, I would like to respond.
	Let me just ask, though, why did you try to kill that bill, and successfully so, that would have put thousands of additional agents and officers on the border?
	First, let me respond just to the rallies.
	She said people start leaving.
	People don't go to her rallies.
	There's no reason to go.
	And the people that do go, she's bussing them in and paying them to be there and then showing them in a different light.
	So she can't talk about that.
	People don't leave my rallies.
	We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics.
	That's because people want to take their country back.
	Our country is being lost.
	We're a failing nation.
	And it happened three and a half years ago.
	And what's going on here, you're going to end up in World War III, just to go into another subject.
	What they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States.
	And a lot of towns don't want to talk.
	It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield.
	A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it.
	In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in.
	They're eating the cats.
	They're eating...
	They're eating the pets of the people that live there.
	And this is what's happening in our country.
	And it's a shame.
	As far as rallies are concerned, as far as the reason they go is they like what I say.
	They want to bring our country back.
	They want to make America great again.
	It's a very simple phrase.
	Make America great again.
	She's destroying this country, and if she becomes president, this country doesn't have a chance of success.
	Not only success, we'll end up being Venezuela on steroids.
	I just want to clarify here, you bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there.
	He told us there have been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant community.
	Well, I've seen people on television.
	Let me just say here...
	The people on television say my dog was taken and used for food.
	So maybe he said that and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager.
	I'm not taking this from television.
	But the people on television saying their dog was eaten by the people that went there.
	Again, the Springfield city manager says there's no evidence of that.
	Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond to the rest of what you've heard.
	Talk about extreme.
	You know, this is, I think, one of the reasons why in this election I actually have the endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with President Bush, Mitt Romney, and John McCain, including the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney and Congressmember Liz Cheney.
	And if you want to really know the inside track on who the former president is, if he didn't make it clear already, just ask people who have worked with him.
	His former chief of staff of four-star general has said he is contempt for the Constitution of the United States.
	His former national security adviser has said he is dangerous and unfit.
	His former Secretary of Defense has said the nation, the Republic, would never survive another Trump term.
	And when we listen to this kind of rhetoric, when the issues that affect the American people are not being addressed, I think the choice is clear in this election.
	President Trump will give you a quick minute to respond.
	Thank you, because when I hear that, see, I'm a different kind of a person.
	I fired most of those people.
	Not so graciously.
	They did bad things or a bad job.
	I fired them.
	They never fired one person.
	They didn't fire anybody having to do with Afghanistan and the Taliban and the 13 people who were just killed, viciously and violently killed.
	And I got to know the parents and the family.
	They should have fired all those generals, all those top people, because that was one of the most incompetently handled situations anybody has ever seen.
	So when somebody does a bad job, I fire him.
	And you take a guy like Esper.
	He was no good.
	I fired him.
	So he writes a book.
	Another one writes a book.
	Because with me, they can write books.
	With nobody else, can they?
	But they have done such a poor job.
	And they never fire anybody.
	Look at the economy.
	Look at the inflation.
	They didn't fire any of their economists.
	They have the same people.
	That's a good way not to have books written about you.
	But just to finish, I got more votes than any Republican in history by far.
	In fact, I got more votes than any president, sitting president in history by far.
	Let me continue on immigration.
	It was what you wanted to talk about earlier.
	So let's get back to your deportation proposal that the Vice President has reacted to as well.
	President Trump, you call this the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country.
	You say you would use the National Guard.
	You say if things get out of control, you'd have no problem using the US military.
	You also said you would use local police.
	How would you deport 11 million undocumented immigrants?
	I know you believe that number is much higher.
	Take us through this.
	What does this look like?
	Will authorities be going door to door in this country?
	It is much higher because of them.
	They allowed criminals, many, many millions of criminals.
	They allowed terrorists.
	They allowed common street criminals.
	They allowed people to come in, drug dealers, to come into our country.
	And they're now in the United States and told by their countries, like Venezuela, don't ever come back or we're going to kill you.
	Do you know that crime in Venezuela and crime in countries all over the world You know why?
	Because they've taken their criminals off the street and they've given them to her to put into our country.
	And this will be one of the greatest mistakes in history for them to allow.
	And I think they probably did it because they think they're going to get votes, but it's not worth it.
	Because they're destroying the fabric of our country by what they've done.
	There's never been anything done like this at all.
	They've destroyed the fabric of our country.
	Millions of people let in.
	And all over the world, crime is down all over the world except here.
	Crime here is up and through the roof, despite their fraudulent statements that they made.
	Crime in this country is through the roof.
	And we have a new form of crime.
	It's called migrant crime.
	And it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible.
	President Trump, as you know, the FBI says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country.
	Excuse me, the FBI, they were defrauding statements.
	They didn't include the worst cities.
	They didn't include the cities with the worst crime.
	It was a fraud, just like their number of 818,000 jobs that they said they created turned out to be a fraud.
	President Trump, thank you.
	I'll let you respond, Vice President Harris.
	Well, I think this is so rich, coming from someone who has been prosecuted.
	For national security crimes, economic crimes, election interference, has been found liable for sexual assault, and his next big court appearance is in November at his own criminal sentencing.
	And let's be clear, where each person stands on the issue of what is important about respect for the rule of law and respect for law enforcement.
	The former vice president called for defunding federal law enforcement, 45,000 agents, get this, on the day after he was arraigned on 34 felony counts.
	So let's talk about what is important in this race.
	It is important that we move forward, that we turn the page on this same old tired rhetoric and address the needs of the American people, address what we need to do about the housing shortage, which I have a plan for, address what we must do to support our small businesses, address bringing down the price of groceries.
	But frankly, the American people are exhausted with this same old tired playbook.
	Vice President Harris, thank you.
	Excuse me.
	Every one of those cases was started by them against their political opponent.
	And I'm winning most of them, and I will win the rest on appeal.
	And you saw that with the decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court.
	I'm winning most of them.
	But those are cases.
	It's called weaponization.
	Never happened in this country.
	They weaponized the Justice Department.
	Every one of those cases was involved with the DOJ, from Atlanta and Fawney Willis to the Attorney General of New York and the DA in New York.
	Every one of those cases.
	And then they say, oh, he's a criminal.
	They're the ones that...
	Made them go after me.
	By the way, Joe Biden was found essentially guilty on the documents case.
	And what happened in my documents case?
	They said, oh, that's the toughest of them all.
	A complete and total victory.
	Two months ago, it was thrown out.
	It's weaponization and they used it and it's never happened in this country.
	They used it to try and win an election.
	They're fake cases.
	President Trump, thank you.
	A really quick response here, Vice President Harris, on this notion of weaponization of the Justice Department.
	Well, let's talk about extreme and understand the context in which this election in 2024 is taking place.
	The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that the former president would essentially be immune from any misconduct if he were to enter the White House again.
	Understand this is someone who has openly said he would terminate, I'm quoting, terminate the Constitution of the United States.
	That he would weaponize the Department of Justice against his political enemies.
	Someone who has openly expressed disdain For members of our military, understand what it would mean if Donald Trump were back in the White House with no guardrails.
	Because certainly we know now the court won't stop him.
	We know J.D. Vance is not going to stop him.
	It's up to the American people.
	Vice President Harris, in your last run for president.
	This is the one that weaponized, not me.
	She weaponized.
	I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me.
	They talk about democracy.
	I'm a threat to democracy.
	They're the threat to democracy.
	With a fake Russia, Russia, Russia investigation that went nowhere.
	We have a lot to get to.
	Lindsay?
	Vice President Harris, in your last run for president, you said you wanted to ban fracking.
	Now you don't.
	You wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons.
	Now your campaign says you don't.
	You supported decriminalizing border crossings.
	Now you're taking a harder line.
	I know you say that your values have not changed.
	So then why have so many of your policy positions changed?
	So, my values have not changed, and I'm going to discuss at least every point that you've made.
	But in particular, let's talk about fracking because we're here in Pennsylvania.
	I made that very clear in 2020.
	I will not ban fracking.
	I have not banned fracking as Vice President of the United States.
	And in fact, I was the tie-breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which opened new leases for fracking.
	My position is that we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy so we reduce our reliance on foreign oil.
	We have had the largest increase in domestic oil production in history because of an approach that recognizes that we cannot over rely on foreign oil.
	As it relates to my values, let me tell you, I grew up a middle class kid raised by a hard working mother.
	Who worked and saved and was able to buy our first home when I was a teenager.
	The values I bring to the importance of home ownership, knowing not everybody got handed $400 million on a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times.
	Is a value that I bring to my work to say we are going to work with the private sector and home builders to increase 3 million homes, increase by 3 million homes by the end of my first term.
	My work that is related to having a friend when I was in high school who was sexually assaulted by her stepfather.
	And my focus then on protecting women and children from violent crime is based on a value that is deeply grounded in the importance of standing up for those who are most vulnerable.
	My work that is about protecting Social Security and Medicare is based on long-standing work that I have done, protecting seniors from scams.
	My values have not changed.
	And what is important is that there is a president who actually brings values and a perspective that is about lifting people up and not beating people down and name-calling.
	The true measure of the leader Is the leader who actually understands the strength is not in beating people down, it's in lifting people up.
	I intend to be that president.
	President Trump, your response?
	Well, first of all, I wasn't given $400 million.
	I wish I was.
	My father was a Brooklyn builder, Brooklyn, Queens, and a great father, and I learned a lot from him.
	But I was given a fraction of that, a tiny fraction, and I built it into many, many billions of dollars.
	Many, many billions.
	And when people see it, they are even surprised.
	So, we don't have to talk about that.
	Fracking?
	She's been against it for 12 years.
	Defund the police?
	She's been against that forever.
	She gave all that stuff up Very wrongly, very horribly, and everybody's laughing at it, okay?
	They're all laughing at it.
	She gave up at least 12 and probably 14 or 15 different policies.
	Like, she was big on defund the police.
	In Minnesota, she went out.
	Wait a minute, I'm talking now.
	If you don't mind, please.
	Does that sound familiar?
	She went out.
	She went out in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals that killed people, that burned down Minneapolis, she went out and raised money to get them out of jail.
	She did things that nobody would ever think of.
	Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison.
	This is a radical left liberal that would do this.
	She wants to confiscate your guns and she will never allow fracking in Pennsylvania.
	If she won the election, fracking in Pennsylvania will end on day one.
	Just to finish, one thing so important in my opinion.
	So I got the oil business going like nobody has ever done before.
	They took, when they took over, they got rid of it, started getting rid of it, and the prices were going up the roof.
	They immediately let these guys go to where they were.
	I would have been five times, four times, five times higher, because you're talking about three and a half years ago.
	They got it up to where I was because they had no choice, because the prices of energy were quadrupling and doubling.
	You saw what happened to gasoline.
	So they said, let's go back to Trump.
	But if she won the election the day after that election, They'll go back to destroying our country and oil will be dead.
	Fossil fuel will be dead.
	We'll go back to windmills and we'll go back to solar, where they need a whole desert to get some energy to come out of it.
	You ever see a solar plant?
	By the way, I'm a big fan of solar.
	But they take...
	400, 500 acres of desert soil.
	These are not good things for the environment, as she understands.
	Thank you.
	Lindsay, thank you.
	We have an election in just 56 days.
	And I want to talk about the peaceful transfer of power, which, of course, we all know is a cornerstone of our democracy and the role of a president in a moment of crisis.
	Mr.
	President, on January 6th, you told your supporters to march to the Capitol.
	You said you would be right there with them.
	The country and the world saw what played out at the Capitol that day, the officers coming under attack.
	Aides in the West Wing say you watched it unfold on television off the Oval Office.
	You did send out tweets, but it was more than two hours before you sent out that video message telling your supporters to go home.
	Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day?
	You just said a thing that isn't covered peacefully and patriotically.
	I said during my speech, not later on.
	Peacefully and patriotically.
	And nobody on the other side was killed.
	Ashley Babbitt was shot by an out of control police officer.
	That should have never, ever shot her.
	It's a disgrace.
	But we didn't do this group of people that have been treated so badly.
	I ask, what about all the people that are pouring into our country and killing people that she allowed to pour in?
	She was the Bodezar, remember that.
	She was the border czar.
	She doesn't want to be called the border czar because she's embarrassed by the border.
	In fact, she said at the beginning, oh, I'm surprised you're not talking about the border yet.
	That's because she knows what a bad job they've done.
	What about those people?
	When are they going to be prosecuted?
	When are these people from countries all over the world, not just South America?
	They're coming in from all over the world, David.
	All over the world.
	And crime rates are down all over the world because of it.
	But let me just ask you...
	David, when are those people going to be prosecuted?
	When are the people that burned down Minneapolis going to be prosecuted?
	Or in Seattle?
	They went into Seattle.
	They took over a big percentage of the city of Seattle.
	When are those people going to be prosecuted?
	But let me just ask you.
	You might ask her that question.
	You were the president.
	You were watching it unfold on television.
	It's a very simple question as we move forward toward another election.
	Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day?
	I had nothing to do with that other than they asked me to make a speech.
	I showed up for a speech.
	I said, I think it's going to be big.
	I went to Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington, D.C. And the mayor put it back in writing, as you know.
	I said, you know, this is going to be a very big rally or whatever you want to call it.
	And again, it wasn't done by me.
	It was done by others.
	I said, I'd like to give you 10,000 National Guard or soldiers.
	They rejected me.
	Nancy Pelosi rejected me.
	It was just two weeks ago.
	Her daughter has a tape of her saying she is fully responsible for what happened.
	They want to get rid of that tape.
	It would have never happened if Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington did their jobs.
	I wasn't responsible for security.
	Nancy Pelosi was responsible.
	She didn't do her job.
	The question was about you as president, not about former Speaker Pelosi.
	But I do want Vice President Harris to respond here.
	I was at the Capitol on January 6th.
	I was the vice president-elect.
	I was also an acting senator.
	I was there.
	And on that day, the President of the United States incited a violent mob to attack our nation's Capitol, to desecrate our nation's Capitol.
	On that day, 140 law enforcement officers were injured, and some died.
	And understand, the former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason.
	But this is not an isolated situation.
	Let's remember Charlottesville, where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches, spewing anti-Semitic hate.
	And what did the president then at the time say?
	There were fine people on each side.
	Let's remember.
	That when it came to the Proud Boys, a militia, the president said, the former president said, stand back and stand by.
	So for everyone watching who remembers what January 6th was, I say, we don't have to go back.
	Let's not go back.
	We're not going back.
	It's time to turn the page.
	And if that was a bridge too far for you, well, there is a place in our campaign for you to stand for country, to stand for our democracy, to stand for rule of law, and to end the chaos.
	And to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy because you don't like the outcome.
	And be clear on that point.
	Donald Trump, the candidate, has said in this election there will be a bloodbath if this and the outcome of this election is not to his liking.
	Let's turn the page on this.
	Let's not go back.
	Let's chart a course for the future and not go backwards to the past.
	Let me just follow up here.
	It was a different term and it was a term that related to energy because they have destroyed our energy business.
	That was where Bloodbath was.
	Also, on Charlottesville, that story has been, as you would say, debunked.
	Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, Jesse, all of these people, they covered it.
	If they go an extra sentence, they will see it was perfect.
	It was debunked in almost every newspaper, but they still bring it up, just like they bring 2025 up.
	They bring all of this stuff up.
	I ask you this.
	You talk about the Capitol.
	Why are we allowing these millions of people to come through on the southern border?
	How come she's not doing anything?
	And I'll tell you what I would do, and I would be very proud to do it.
	I would say we would both leave this debate right now.
	I'd like to see her go down.
	To Washington, D.C., during this debate, because we're wasting a lot of time, go down to, because she's been so bad, it's so ridiculous, go down to Washington, D.C., and let her sign a bill to close up the border, because they have the right to do it.
	They don't need bills.
	They have the right to do it.
	The President of the United States, you'll get them out of bed, you'll wake them up at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, you'll say, come on, come on down to the office, let's sign a bill.
	If he signs a bill that the border is closed, all he has to do is say it to the Border Patrol, who are phenomenal.
	If they do that, the border is closed.
	Those people are killing many people, unlike J6. We talked immigration here tonight.
	I do want to focus on this next issue to both of you, because it really brings us this into focus, truth in these times that we're living in.
	Mr.
	President, for three and a half years after you lost the 2020 election, you repeatedly falsely claimed that you won, many times saying you won in a landslide.
	In the past couple of weeks leading up to this debate, you have said, quote, you lost by a whisker, that you, quote, didn't quite make it, that you came up a little bit short.
	I said that?
	Are you now acknowledging that you lost in 2020?
	No, I don't acknowledge that at all.
	But you did say that.
	I said that sarcastically, you know that.
	And we said, oh, we lost by a whisker.
	That was said sarcastically.
	There's so much proof.
	All you have to do is look at it.
	And they should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval.
	I got almost 75 million votes, the most votes any sitting president has ever gotten.
	I was told if I got 63, which was what I got in 2016, you can't be beaten.
	The election, people should never be thinking about it.
	An election is fraudulent.
	We need two things.
	We need walls.
	We need, and we have to have it.
	We have to have borders and we have to have good elections.
	Our elections are bad.
	And a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in, they're trying to get them to vote.
	They can't even speak English.
	They don't even know what country they're in practically.
	And these people are trying to get them to vote.
	And that's why they're allowing them to come into our country.
	I did watch all of these pieces of video.
	I didn't detect the sarcasm.
	Lost by a whisker.
	We didn't quite make it.
	And we should just point out here as clarification, and you know this, you and your allies, 60 cases in front of many judges, many of them Republican.
	No judge looked at it.
	They said we didn't have standing.
	That's the other thing.
	They said we didn't have standing, a technicality.
	Can you imagine a system where a person in an election doesn't have standing, the President of the United States doesn't have standing?
	That's how we lost.
	If you look at the facts, and I'd love to have you do a special on it, I'll show you Georgia, and I'll show you Wisconsin, and I'll show you Pennsylvania.
	We have so many facts and statistics.
	But you know what?
	That doesn't matter.
	Because we have to solve the problem that we have right now.
	That's old news.
	And the problem that we have right now is we have a nation in decline.
	And they have put it into decline.
	We have a nation that is dying, David.
	Mr.
	President, thank you.
	Vice President Harris, you heard the president there tonight.
	He said he didn't say that, that he lost by a whisker.
	So he still believes he did not lose the election that was won by President Biden and yourself.
	But I do want to ask you about something that's come up in the last couple of days.
	This was a post from President Trump.
	About this upcoming election just weeks away.
	He said, when I win, those people who cheated, and then he lists donors, voters, election officials, he says, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long-term prison sentences.
	One of your campaign's top lawyers responded, saying, we won't let Donald Trump intimidate us.
	We won't let him suppress the vote.
	Is that what you believe he's trying to do here?
	Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people.
	So let's be clear about that.
	And clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that.
	But we cannot afford to have a President of the United States who attempts, as he did in the past, to upend the will of the voters in a free and fair election.
	And I'm going to tell you that I have traveled the world as Vice President of the United States.
	And world leaders are laughing at Donald Trump.
	I have talked with military leaders, some of whom worked with you, and they say you're a disgrace.
	And when you then talk in this way, in a presidential debate, and deny what over and over again are court cases you have lost because you did, in fact, lose that election, it leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right the temperament Or the ability to not be confused about fact.
	That's deeply troubling.
	And the American people deserve better.
	I'll give you one minute to respond, Mr.
	President.
	Let me just tell you about world leaders.
	Viktor Orban, one of the most respected men.
	They call him a strong man.
	He's a tough person.
	Smart.
	Prime Minister of Hungary.
	They said, why is the whole world blowing up?
	Three years ago it wasn't.
	Why is it blowing up?
	He said because you need Trump back as president.
	They were afraid of him.
	China was afraid, and I don't like to use the word afraid, but I'm just quoting him.
	China was afraid of him.
	North Korea was afraid of him.
	Look at what's going on with North Korea, by the way.
	He said Russia was afraid of him.
	I ended the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, and Biden put it back on day one, but he ended the XL pipeline.
	The XL pipeline in our country, he ended that.
	But he let the Russians build a pipeline going all over Europe and heading into Germany.
	The biggest pipeline in the world.
	Look, Viktor Orban...
	He said the most respected, most feared person is Donald Trump.
	We had no problems when Trump was president.
	But when this weak, pathetic man that you saw at a debate just a few months ago, that if he weren't in that debate, he'd be running instead of her.
	She got no votes.
	He got 14 million votes.
	What you did, you talk about a threat to democracy.
	He got 14 million votes and they threw him out of office.
	And you know what?
	I'll give you a little secret.
	He hates her.
	He can't stand her.
	But he got 14 million votes.
	They threw him out.
	She got zero votes.
	And when she ran, she was the first one to leave because she failed.
	And now she's running.
	I don't understand it, but I'm okay with it because I think we're going to do very well.
	We've got a lot more to get to.
	Turning now to the Israel-Hamas war and the hostages who are still being held, Americans among them.
	Vice President Harris, in December, you said Israel has a right to defend itself, but you added, quote, it matters how, saying international humanitarian law must be respected, Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians.
	You said that nine months ago, now an estimated 40,000 Palestinians are dead.
	Nearly 100 hostages remain.
	Just last week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said there's not a deal in the making.
	President Biden has not been able to break through the stalemate.
	How would you do it?
	Well, let's understand how we got here.
	On October 7, Hamas, a terrorist organization, slaughtered 1,200 Israelis, many of them young people who were simply attending a concert.
	Women were horribly raped.
	And so absolutely, I said then, I say now.
	Israel has a right to defend itself.
	We would.
	And how it does so matters.
	Because it is also true, far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed.
	Children, mothers.
	What we know is that this war must end.
	It must end immediately.
	And the way it will end is we need a ceasefire deal and we need the hostages out.
	And so we will continue to work around the clock on that.
	Work around the clock also understanding that we must chart a course for a two-state solution.
	And in that solution, there must be security for the Israeli people and Israel and in equal measure for the Palestinians.
	But the one thing I will assure you always, I will always give Israel the ability to defend itself, in particular as it relates to Iran and any threat that Iran and its proxies pose to Israel.
	But we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza, where the Palestinians have security, self-determination, and the dignity they so rightly deserve.
	President Trump, how would you negotiate with Netanyahu and also Hamas in order to get the hostages out and prevent the killing of more innocent civilians in Gaza?
	If I were president, it would have never started.
	If I were president, Russia would have never, ever, I know Putin very well, he would have never, and there was no threat of it either, by the way, for four years, have gone into Ukraine and killed millions of people when you add it up.
	Far worse than people understand what's going on over there.
	But when she mentions about Israel, all of a sudden she hates Israel.
	She wouldn't even meet with Netanyahu when he went to Congress to make a very important speech.
	She refused to be there because she was at a sorority party of hers.
	She wanted to go to the sorority party.
	She hates Israel.
	If she's president, I believe that Israel will not exist within two years from now.
	And I've been pretty good at predictions and I hope I'm wrong about that one.
	She hates Israel.
	At the same time, in her own way, she hates the Arab population because the whole place is going to get blown up.
	Arabs...
	Jewish people, Israel.
	Israel will be gone.
	It would have never happened.
	Iran was broke under Donald Trump.
	Now Iran has $300 billion because they took off all the sanctions that I had.
	Iran had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah or any of the 28 different Spheres of terror.
	And they are spheres of terror.
	Horrible terror.
	They had no money.
	It was a big story, and you know it.
	You covered it very well, actually.
	They had no money for terror.
	They were broke.
	Now they're a rich nation.
	And now what they're doing is they're spreading that money around.
	Look at what's happening with the Houthis and Yemen.
	Look at what's going on in the Middle East.
	This would have never happened.
	I will get that settled and fast, and I'll get the war with Ukraine and Russia ended.
	If I'm president-elect, I'll get it done before even becoming president.
	Vice President Harris, he says you hate Israel.
	That's absolutely not true.
	I have my entire career and life supported Israel and the Israeli people.
	He knows that.
	He's trying to, again, divide and distract from the reality, which is it is very well known that Donald Trump is weak and wrong on national security and foreign policy.
	It is well known that he admires dictators, Wants to be a dictator on day one, according to himself.
	It is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine.
	It is well known that he said when Russia went into Ukraine, it was brilliant.
	It is well known he exchanged love letters with Kim Jong-un.
	And it is absolutely well known that these dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president again because they're so clear.
	They can manipulate you with flattery and favors.
	And that is why.
	So many military leaders who you have worked with have told me you are a disgrace.
	That is why we understand that we have to have a president who is not consistently weak and wrong on national security including the importance of upholding and respecting in highest regard our military.
	Vice President Harris, thank you.
	And she's the one that caused it.
	That's weak on national security by allowing every nation last month for the year, 168 different countries sending people into our country.
	Their crime weights are way down.
	Putin endorsed her last week, said, I hope she wins.
	And I think he meant it.
	Because what he's gotten away with is absolutely incredible.
	It wouldn't have happened with me.
	The leaders of other countries think that they're weak and incompetent, and they are.
	They're grossly incompetent.
	And I just ask one question.
	Why does Biden go in and kill the Keystone Pipeline and approve the single biggest deal that Russia's ever made, Nord Stream 2, the biggest pipeline anywhere in the world going to Germany and all over Europe?
	Because they're weak and they're ineffective.
	And Biden, by the way, gets paid a lot of money.
	Thank you.
	We have a lot of issues to get to.
	We'll be right back with much more of this historic ABC News presidential debate from the National Constitution Center right here in Philadelphia.
	Okay.
	That was a lot.
	That was a lot.
	That was good.
	I'll let you kind of go for it.
	We could play in the background, Bills.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, look, I'm really enjoying this debate.
	I think Kamala Harris is shading it because, don't get me wrong, there's certain issues that Trump's done better.
	There's certain issues that she's done better.
	But overall, I mean, she is doing much better in the debate.
	And we said this at the beginning of the program.
	If Kamala Harris does better in this debate, She's going to be significantly in favour, or in favour of a position, to win the presidential election.
	And I think she is sharing it.
	So if you look at abortion, I felt like she did better on that issue.
	She's done better on this Israel-Hamas question, because she kind of placated both sides.
	Remember, her husband's Jewish as well.
	Abortion issue, she did better.
	Immigration issue, that was meant to be Trump's slam dunk.
	She's so weak on it, we know.
	From outside this debate, and yet in the debate, I thought it was quite even, that specific segment.
	I thought Trump did better on the fake election, the previous election questions.
	I think he did much better on that.
	I think he did better on the peaceful moving of power.
	And he did better on the fracking issues and the changing of position issues.
	So overall, I do think that she did a lot better.
	And I think if this continues, you could have a female president.
	Well, I think Trump's biggest thing is he brings everything back to the border.
	I think he needs to stick to what the topic is and, you know, answer the questions because some of these questions aren't that hard.
	And he can just like, because he keeps kind of deflecting it back to immigration.
	He doesn't need to do that.
	You know what I mean?
	These are things that she's not even strong in in some of these positions and he can absolutely like embarrass her and make her look stupid.
	So, you know, I think he needs to do that.
	What else here?
	Yeah, just while you're thinking that, just to add to that, that's what she's excelled in.
	She's brought emotion.
	And remember, emotion impacts the left and the women and people who are a bit more feminine.
	And then she's brought better policies in as well.
	I mean, I think she's doing much better.
	And I agree with you.
	He's generally just talking about immigration on almost every topic.
	Yeah.
	The other thing, too, that they keep lying about, though, I've noticed, is they keep saying that he supports Project 2025, which is a huge fucking lie.
	That's not true at all.
	He's disavowed it, like, literally, like, ten times.
	So, I like Project 2025.
	But he's smart by bringing that up.
	Yeah, they keep bringing it up and saying that he supports it, which isn't true whatsoever.
	So...
	And then she'll go ahead and build her argument off of that.
	And then the reproductive rights thing that I thought was a little interesting was they keep trying to say that he's not pro-abortion.
	He actually is.
	He just delegated it to the States because he didn't want to deal with it anymore.
	So he's kind of...
	I don't know.
	There...
	Hold on a minute.
	Because I took a bunch of fucking notes here.
	At the end of the show, I know we're going to talk about this in Dia, but there's so much to talk about on that.
	Yeah, and then the whole...
	So, how are we looking for commercials?
	We still got a little bit of time bills?
	Okay.
	You can see it.
	You can see it on the left.
	Okay, okay, yeah, I can see it.
	The inflation thing, you know, she was trying to say that he's going to cut taxes for the wealthy, blah, blah, blah, you know, the typical Democrat talking point, and we're going to go ahead and help the middle class.
	And then Trump kind of said, no, I'm going to, you know, increase tariffs, which will allow them to get more money.
	Then the whole abortion situation, which, you know, I knew when they got into that, that's going to be...
	That's one of her strongest things, is the whole reproductive rights.
	Honestly, that's one of the biggest things she's campaigning on, is reproductive rights.
	And they keep saying, well, he supports Project 2025, and by him supporting Project 2025, he's not going to allow abortions.
	And they keep fucking saying this lie, which is not true.
	And then let's see here.
	And then obviously they brought up his criminal case, which I thought that was funny that she brought that up about his criminal cases, weaponizing the Department of Justice and Border Security.
	I wish he answered that question, though.
	When they asked him about him killing that bill, I wish he answered that, dude.
	Because he doesn't want to answer those.
	Because again, this is the problem Trump's got and that's why I think she's doing a lot better.
	When she brings up Project 2025, when she brings up abortion, it puts him in a sticky situation because he disavows it.
	He alienates the right and the left think he's lying anyway.
	So it's a very smart strategy.
	I would do the exact same thing.
	So on Project 2025, abortion, many of the topics you're talking about, he's losing his own base by his answers.
	And then he's losing the left as well.
	I'm telling you, I really think she's winning this debate.
	Yeah, it's definitely, he needs to step it up for the second half.
	I don't know if she, I want to say she's winning.
	I would say it's pretty close between the two, but he should be smacking her.
	It's back?
	Yeah.
	I think for his strategy here is he needs to answer the questions, not necessarily bring everything back to immigration and the border, and just focus on like cooking her attack points.
	She's more detailed in all her answers.
	Mr.
	President, it has been the position of the Biden administration.
	Do me a favor, guys.
	Open up a tab on Twitch because we're going to be switching over to Twitch here at some point.
	So, guys, everybody on YouTube, do me a favor.
	Open up Twitch and if you're on Rumble as well.
	But let's get back to it.
	Further into other countries.
	You have said you would solve this war in 24 hours.
	You said so just before the break tonight.
	How exactly would you do that?
	And I want to ask you a very simple question tonight.
	Do you want Ukraine to win this war?
	No.
	I want the war to stop.
	I want to save lives that are being uselessly people being killed by the millions.
	It's the millions.
	It's so much worse than the numbers that you're getting, which are fake numbers.
	Look.
	We're in for 250 billion or more because they don't ask Europe, which is a much bigger beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are.
	They're in for 150 billion dollars less because Biden and you don't have the courage to ask Europe like I did with NATO. They paid billions and billions, hundreds of billions of dollars when I said Either you pay up or we're not going to protect you anymore.
	So that's maybe one of the reasons they don't like me as much as they like weak people.
	But you take a look at what's happening.
	We're in for $250 to $275 billion.
	They're into $100 to $150.
	They should be forced to equalize.
	With that being said, I want to get the war settled.
	I know Zelensky very well and I know Putin very well.
	I have a good relationship and they respect...
	Your president, okay?
	They respect me.
	They don't respect Biden.
	How would you respect him?
	Why?
	For what reason?
	He hasn't even made a phone call in two years to Putin.
	Hasn't spoken to anybody.
	They don't even try and get it.
	That is a war that's dying to be settled.
	I will get it settled before I even become president.
	If I win, when I'm president-elect, and what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll speak to the other, I'll get them together, that war would have never happened.
	And in fact, when I saw Putin after I left, unfortunately left because our country has gone to hell.
	But after I left, when I saw him building up soldiers, he did it after I left.
	I said, oh, he must be negotiating.
	It must be a good, strong point of negotiation.
	Well, it wasn't because Biden had no idea how to talk to him.
	He had no idea how to stop it.
	And now you have millions of people dead and it's only getting worse and it could lead to World War Three.
	Don't kid yourself, David.
	We're playing with World War Three and we have a president that we don't even know if he's where is our president.
	We don't even know if he's a president.
	And just to clarify here- They threw him out of a campaign like a dog.
	We don't even know.
	Is he our president?
	But we have a president- Mr.
	President- That doesn't know he's alive.
	Your time is up.
	Just to clarify in the question, do you believe it's in the U.S. best interest for Ukraine to win this war, yes or no?
	I think it's the U.S. best interest to get this war finished and just get it done.
	Negotiate a deal.
	Because we have to stop all of these human lives from being destroyed.
	I want to take this to Vice President Harris.
	I want to get your thoughts on support for Ukraine in this moment.
	But also, as Commander-in-Chief, if elected, how would you deal with Vladimir Putin?
	And would it be any different from what we're seeing from President Biden?
	Well, first of all, it's important to remind the former president you're not running against Joe Biden, you're running against me.
	I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would just give it up.
	And that's not who we are as Americans.
	Let's understand what happened here.
	I actually met with Zelensky a few days before Russia invaded Tried through force to change territorial boundaries, to defy one of the most important international rules and norms, which is the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity.
	And I met with President Zelensky.
	I shared with him American intelligence about how he could defend himself.
	Days later, I went to NATO's eastern flank, to Poland and Romania.
	And through the work that I and others did, we brought 50 countries together to support Ukraine in its righteous defense.
	And because of our support, because of the air defense, the ammunition, the artillery, the javelins, the Abrams tanks that we have provided, Ukraine stands as an independent and free country.
	If Donald Trump were president, Putin would be sitting in Kyiv right now.
	And understand what that would mean, because Putin's agenda is not just about Ukraine.
	Understand why the European allies and our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no longer president and that we understand the importance of the greatest military alliance the world has ever known, which is NATO. And what we have done to preserve the ability of Zelensky and the Ukrainians to fight for their independence.
	Otherwise, Putin would be sitting in Kyiv with his eyes on the rest of Europe, starting with Poland.
	And why don't you tell the 800,000 Polish Americans right here in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch.
	Vice President Harris, thank you.
	We've heard from both of you on Ukraine tonight.
	Afghanistan came up in the last hour.
	I wanted her to respond to something you said earlier.
	Please, I'll give you a minute here.
	Putin would be sitting in Moscow and he wouldn't have lost 300,000 men and women, but he would have been sitting in Moscow.
	Quiet, please.
	He would have been sitting in Moscow much happier than he is right now.
	But eventually, you know, he's got a thing that other people don't have.
	He's got nuclear weapons.
	They don't ever talk about that.
	He got nuclear weapons.
	Nobody ever thinks about that.
	And eventually, maybe he'll use them and maybe he hasn't been that threatening.
	But he does have that.
	Something we don't even like to talk about.
	Nobody likes to talk about it.
	But just so you understand, they sent her to negotiate peace before this war started.
	Three days later, he went in and he started the war.
	Everything they said was weak and stupid.
	They said the wrong things.
	That war should have never started.
	She was the emissary.
	They sent her in to negotiate with Zelensky and Putin.
	And she did.
	And the war started three days later.
	And that's the kind of talent we have with her.
	She's worse than Biden, in my opinion.
	I think he's the worst president in the history of our country.
	She goes down as the worst vice president in the history of our country.
	But let me tell you something.
	She is a horrible negotiator.
	They sent her in to negotiate.
	As soon as they left, Putin did the invasion.
	President Trump, thank you.
	You did bring up something.
	You said she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin.
	President Harris, have you ever met Vladimir Putin?
	Can you clarify tonight?
	Yet again, I said at the beginning of this debate, you're going to hear a bunch of lies coming from this fellow.
	And that is another one.
	When I went to meet with President Zelensky, I've now met with him over five times.
	The reality is it has been about standing as America always should, as a leader upholding international rules and norms, as a leader who shows strength, understanding that the alliances we have around the world are dependent on our ability to look out for our friends and not favor Our enemies because you adore strongmen instead of caring about democracy.
	Shut up.
	And that is very much what is at stake here.
	The president of the United States is commander in chief.
	And the American people have a right to rely.
	On a president who understands the significance of America's role and responsibility in terms of ensuring that there is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles and not sell them for the benefit of personal flattery.
	We've talked about Ukraine and Vladimir Putin.
	I do want to talk about Afghanistan.
	It came up in the first hour of this debate.
	I want to move on to Afghanistan. - said Trump did the most amazing thing I've ever seen.
	He got these countries, the 28 countries at the time, To pay up.
	He said, I've never seen.
	He's the head of NATO. He said, I've never seen.
	For years, we were paying almost all of NATO. We were being ripped off by European nations, both on trade and on NATO. I got them to pay up by saying one of the statements you made before, if you don't pay, we're not going to protect you.
	Thank you, otherwise we would have never gotten it.
	He said it was one of the most incredible jobs that he's ever seen done.
	Thank you.
	I want to turn to Afghanistan.
	It came up in the first hour of the debate, and we witnessed a poignant moment today on Capitol Hill honoring the soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan.
	I do want to ask the Vice President, do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?
	And give some subs, please.
	Well, I will tell you, I agreed with President Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan.
	Four presidents said they would, and Joe Biden did.
	And as a result, America's taxpayers are not paying the $300 million a day.
	We were paying for that endless war.
	And as of today, there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world the first time this century But let's understand how we got to where we are.
	Donald Trump, when he was president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine.
	He calls himself a dealmaker.
	Even his national security adviser said it was a weak, terrible deal.
	And here's how it went down.
	He bypassed the Afghan government.
	He negotiated directly with a terrorist organization called the Taliban.
	The negotiation involved the Taliban getting 5,000 terrorists, Taliban terrorists released.
	And get this, no, get this.
	And the president at the time invited the Taliban to Camp David.
	A place of storied significance for us as Americans, a place where we honor the importance of American diplomacy, where we invite and receive respected world leaders.
	And this former president, as president, invited them To Camp David, because he does not again appreciate the role and responsibility of the President of the United States to be Commander in Chief with a level of respect.
	And this gets back to the point of how he has consistently disparaged and demeaned members of our military, fallen soldiers, and the work that we must do to uphold the strength and the respect of the United States of America around the world.
	Vice President Harris, thank you.
	President Trump, your response to her saying that you began the negotiations with the Taliban?
	So, if you take a look at that period of time, the Taliban was killing our soldiers, a lot of them, with snipers.
	And I got involved with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing.
	That's the fighting force within Afghanistan.
	They don't bother doing that because, you know, they deal with the wrong people all the time.
	But I got involved.
	And Abdul is the head of the Taliban.
	He is still the head of the Taliban.
	And I told Abdul, don't do it anymore.
	You do it anymore.
	You're going to have problems.
	And he said, why do you send me a picture of my house?
	I said, you're going to have to figure that out, Abdul.
	And for 18 months, we had nobody killed.
	We did have an agreement negotiated by Mike Pompeo.
	It was a very good agreement.
	The reason it was good, it was...
	We were getting out.
	We would have been out faster than them, but we wouldn't have lost the soldiers.
	We wouldn't have left many Americans behind.
	We wouldn't have left...
	We wouldn't have left...
	$85 billion worth of brand new, beautiful military equipment behind.
	And just to finish, they blew it.
	The agreement said you have to do this, this, this, this, this.
	And they didn't do it.
	They didn't do it.
	The agreement was...
	Was terminated by us because they didn't do what they were supposed to do.
	I want to move on.
	And these people did the worst withdrawal.
	And in my opinion, the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country.
	And by the way, that's why Russia attacked Ukraine, because they saw how incompetent she and her boss are.
	There we go.
	President Trump, thank you.
	There we go.
	I want to move on now to race and politics in this country.
	Mr.
	President, you recently said of Vice President Harris, quote, I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black, and now she wants to be known as black.
	I want to ask a bigger picture question here tonight.
	Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent?
	I don't, and I don't care.
	I don't care what she is.
	I don't care.
	You make a big deal out of something.
	I couldn't care less.
	Whatever she wants to be is okay with me.
	But those were your words.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I mean, all I can say is I read where she was not black.
	That she put out, and I'll say that, and then I read that she was black, and that's okay.
	Either one was okay with me.
	That's up to her.
	That's a biased question.
	Vice President Harris, your thoughts on this?
	The answer's terrible, though.
	I think it's, I mean, honestly, I think it's a tragedy that we have someone who wants to be president who has consistently, over the course of his career, attempted to use race to divide the American people.
	You know, I do believe that the vast majority of us know that we have so much more in common than what separates us, and we don't want this kind of approach that is just constantly trying to divide us, and especially by race.
	And let's remember how Donald Trump started.
	He owned land, he owned buildings, and he was investigated because he refused to rent Property to black families.
	Let's remember, this is the same individual who took out a full page ad in the New York Times calling for the execution of five young black and Latino boys who were innocent, the Central Park Five.
	Took out a full-page ad calling for their execution.
	This is the same individual who spread birther lies about the first black president of the United States.
	And I think the American people want better than that.
	Want better than this.
	Want someone who understands as I do, I travel our country.
	We see in each other a friend.
	We see in each other a neighbor.
	We don't want a leader who is constantly trying to have Americans point their fingers at each other.
	I meet with people all the time who tell me, can we please just have discourse about how we're going to invest in the aspirations and the ambitions and the dreams of the American people?
	Knowing that regardless of people's color or the language their grandmother speaks, we all have the same dreams and aspirations and want a president who invests in those, not in hate and division.
	Vice President Harris, thank you.
	Lindsey?
	President Trump, this is now your third time.
	Such a bullshit question.
	This is the most divisive presidency in the history of our country.
	There's never been anything like it.
	They're destroying our country and they come up with things like What she just said, going back many, many years, when a lot of people, including Mayor Bloomberg, agreed with me on the Central Park Five, they admitted, they said, they pled guilty.
	And I said, well, if they pled guilty, they'd badly hurt a person, killed a person, ultimately.
	And if they pled guilty, then they pled, we're not guilty.
	But this is a person that has to stretch back years, 40, 50 years ago, because there's nothing now.
	I built one of the greatest economies in the history of the world, and I'm going to build it again.
	It's going to be bigger, better, and stronger.
	But they're destroying our economy.
	They have no idea what a good economy is.
	Their oil policies, every single policy.
	And remember this.
	She is Biden.
	You know, she's trying to get away from Biden.
	I don't know the gentleman, she says.
	She is Biden.
	The worst inflation we've ever had.
	A horrible economy because inflation has made it so bad.
	And she can't get away with that.
	Thank you.
	Your time is up.
	I want to respond to that, Bob.
	I want to just respond briefly.
	Clearly, I am not Joe Biden.
	And I am certainly not Donald Trump.
	And what I do offer is a new generation of leadership for our country.
	One who believes in what is possible.
	One who brings a sense of optimism about what we can do instead of always disparaging the American people.
	I believe in what we can do to To strengthen our small businesses, which is why I have a plan.
	Let's talk about our plans and let's compare the plans.
	I have a plan to give startup businesses $50,000 tax deduction.
	To pursue their ambitions, their innovation, their ideas, their hard work.
	I have a plan.
	$6,000 for young families for the first year of your child's life to help you in that most critical stage of your child's development.
	I have a plan.
	That is about allowing people to be able to pursue what has been fleeting in terms of the American dream by offering help with down payment of $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time home buyers.
	That's the kind of conversation, I believe, David, that people really want tonight, as opposed to a conversation that is constantly about belittling and name-calling.
	Let's turn the page and move forward.
	Vice President Harris, thank you.
	Let's turn to policy.
	We have to move on.
	President Trump, let's turn to policy, please.
	She has a plan to defund the police.
	She has a plan to confiscate everybody's gun.
	President Trump, we do have to move on to other issues.
	In Pennsylvania or anywhere else.
	That's what her plan is until just recently.
	President Trump, this is now your third time running for president.
	You have long vowed to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.
	You have failed to accomplish that.
	You now say you're going to keep Obamacare, quote, unless we can do something much better.
	Last month you said, quote, we're working on it.
	So tonight, nine years after you first started running, do you have a plan and can you tell us what it is?
	Obamacare was lousy healthcare.
	Always was.
	It's not very good today.
	And what I said, that if we come up with something and we are working on things, we're going to do it and we're going to replace it.
	But remember this.
	I inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it.
	They wouldn't vote for it.
	They were unanimous.
	They wouldn't vote to change it.
	If they would have done that, we would have had a much better plan than Obamacare.
	But the Democrats came up.
	They wouldn't vote for it.
	I had a choice to make when I was president.
	Do I save it and make it as good as it can be?
	Never going to be great.
	Or do I let it rot?
	Yeah.
	I let it rot and I saved it.
	I did the right thing, but it's still never going to be great.
	And it's too expensive for people.
	And what we will do is we're looking at different plans.
	If we can come up with a plan that's going to cost our people, our population less money and be better health care than Obamacare, then I would absolutely do it.
	But until then, I'd run it as good as it can be run.
	So just a yes or no, you still do not have a plan.
	I have concepts of a plan.
	I'm not president right now.
	We come up with something.
	I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive.
	And there are concepts and options we have to do that.
	And you'll be hearing about it in the not-too-distant future.
	Vice President Harris, in 2017, you supported Bernie Sanders' proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government-run healthcare system.
	Two years later, you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option.
	What is your plan today?
	Well, first of all, I absolutely support, and over the last four years as Vice President, private healthcare options.
	But what we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act.
	But I'll get to that, Lindsay.
	I just need to respond to a previous point that the former President has made.
	I've made very clear my position on fracking, and then this business about taking everyone's guns away.
	Tim Walz and I are both gun owners.
	We're not taking anybody's guns away.
	So stop with the continuous lying about this stuff.
	As it relates to the Affordable Care Act, understand, just look at the history to know where people stand.
	When Donald Trump was president, 60 times he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act.
	60 times.
	I was a senator at the time.
	I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate.
	And the late, great John McCain, who you have disparaged As being, you don't like him, you said at the time, because he got caught.
	He was an American hero.
	The late, great John McCain, I will never forget that night, walked onto the Senate floor and said, no, you don't.
	No, you don't.
	No, you don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act.
	You have no plan.
	And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions.
	I don't have to tell the people watching tonight, you remember what that was like?
	Remember when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor, if a grandparent had diabetes?
	And thankfully, as I've been vice president and we over the last four years have strengthened the Affordable Care Act, we have allowed for the first time Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you, the American people.
	Donald Trump said he was going to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
	We did.
	And now we have capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month.
	Since I've been vice president, we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year.
	And when I am president, we will do that for all people, understanding that the value I bring to this Is that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it.
	And the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act, not get rid of it.
	Vice President Harris, thank you.
	In terms of where Donald Trump stands on that.
	I want to move to an issue that's important for a lot of- You made a mistake.
	Number one, John McCain fought Obamacare for 10 years.
	But it wasn't only him.
	It were all of the Democrats that kept it going.
	And you know what?
	He ran against them, too.
	We can do much better than Obamacare, much less money.
	But she won't improve private insurance for people, private medical insurance.
	That's another thing she doesn't want to get.
	People are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard and made money and they want to have private.
	She wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait six months for an operation that you need immediately.
	President Trump, thank you.
	We have another issue that we'd like to get to that's important for a number of Americans, in particular younger voters, and that's climate change.
	President Trump.
	With regard to the environment, you say that we have to have clean air and clean water.
	Vice President Harris, you call climate change an existential threat.
	The question to you both tonight is what would you do to fight climate change?
	And Vice President Harris, we'll start with you.
	One minute for you each.
	Well, the former president had said that climate change is a hoax.
	And what we know is that it is very real.
	You ask anyone who lives in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences, who now is either being denied home insurance or it's being jacked up.
	You ask anybody who has been the victim of what that means in terms of losing their home, having nowhere to go.
	We know that we can actually deal with this issue.
	The young people of America care deeply about this issue.
	And I am proud that as Vice President over the last four years, we have invested a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy while we have also increased domestic gas production to historic levels.
	We have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been Vice President.
	We have invested in clean energy to the point that we are opening up factories around the world.
	Donald Trump said he was going to create manufacturing jobs.
	He lost manufacturing jobs.
	And I'm also proud to have the endorsement of the United Auto Workers and Sean Fein, who also know that part of building a clean energy economy includes investing in American-made products, American automobiles.
	It includes Growing what we can do around American manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not closing them like happened under Donald Trump.
	Vice President Harris, thank you.
	That didn't happen under Donald Trump.
	Let me just tell you, they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month.
	It's going.
	They're all leaving.
	They're building big auto plants in Mexico, in many cases owned by China.
	They're building these massive plants, and they think they're going to sell their cars into the United States because of these people.
	What they have given to China is unbelievable.
	But we're not going to let that.
	We'll put tariffs on those cars so they can't come into our country because they will kill the United Autoworkers and any autoworker, whether it's in Detroit or South Carolina or any other place.
	What they've done to business and manufacturing in this country is horrible.
	We have nothing because they refuse.
	Biden doesn't go after people because supposedly China paid him millions of dollars.
	He's afraid to do it between him and his son.
	They get all this money from Ukraine.
	They get all this money from all of these different countries.
	And then you wonder, why is he so loyal to this one, that one, Ukraine, China?
	Why is he?
	Why did he get three and a half million dollars from the mayor of Moscow's wife?
	Why did he get?
	Why did she pay him three and a half million dollars?
	This is a crooked administration, and they're selling our country down the tubes.
	President Trump, thank you.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	We'll be right back with closing statements from both of our candidates.
	An historic night, this ABC News presidential debate from Philadelphia.
	Back in a moment.
	That was great.
	He came back.
	Cooked her on Afghanistan.
	Cooked her on Ukraine and Russia.
	I think ABC kind of was reaching there with the whole black question.
	I don't know why the fuck they brought that up.
	If you're going to go ahead and make a question like that, that's clearly putting him in a position of disadvantage because he has to answer something stupid like that, they should have asked her a question too like, hey, why do you constantly attack Trump's character or some shit like that?
	I don't know.
	I'm just giving you an example.
	But like they asked him a question, they asked him a question about her.
	They should have done the same just to make it even.
	But what are your thoughts Suleiman on that portion?
	I think he did a lot better there.
	Yeah, he did better this time.
	I would say that wasn't equal.
	I thought that was equal.
	I thought he did much better in Russia and Ukraine.
	I thought the withdrawal in Afghanistan was a draw because we, before this debate, I always thought like Trump was like, did really well in Afghanistan and the Biden administration did really bad.
	And she kind of exposed the fact that He didn't actually do the Afghanistan deal and they actually did the deal.
	So that was something that he kind of didn't have a rebuttal for.
	Race issue, she really smashed him on because remember, he's been talking a lot about race, how he cares about the black community, how he cares about the Hispanic community.
	And so his answer was terrible.
	Like what he should have said is, My argument wasn't about race.
	My argument was that she lies.
	I don't really care.
	He kept on saying, I don't care.
	I don't care.
	I don't know why I said it.
	He sounded really weak.
	And then when he brought the Central Park Five, obviously, is a major issue in the US. Obviously, Donald Trump literally speaking out against those Central Park Five.
	And then really, they were innocent.
	That was so long ago, though.
	The time they lost.
	Obamacare, I think she did better on.
	Climate change, I think he did better on.
	So I think it was pretty even.
	Yeah, them bringing up the Central Park Five, that was like a huge deflection.
	Because at the time, everyone thought, it wasn't just Trump, everyone thought that those kids were guilty and did it.
	So for her to just point him out and say, oh yeah, you said XYZ, it's like, yo, they pled guilty and everyone thought they did it at the time.
	I mean, he had a huge impact though.
	I mean, he didn't have the same presence of celebrity that he has now.
	I would argue that Trump was, well, he's obviously more famous now being president or whatever, but he doesn't have the same level of stardom Back then that he has now.
	You know, people were more focused on, like, fucking Mike Tyson and other shit back then.
	Like, not him.
	I mean, they didn't, but he was actually...
	There was a few things that Trump's known for.
	One is the Central Park 5 incident.
	One is, obviously, Apprentice.
	And one is, like, that few appearances...
	That blew up after he ran for president.
	That whole Central Park thing, they brought that back up after he ran for...
	Like, a lot of this stuff came back out when he became president.
	Like, it wasn't as big at the time.
	You know what I mean?
	It's just...
	I don't know.
	I knew about it myself.
	I just find it interesting how they're bringing that up now.
	Well, it's basically because what's happened is Trump's been talking a lot about the black community, the Hispanic community, and this is to basically remind everyone, like, blacks, you should vote Democrat.
	Yeah, he should just stay away from race.
	Because the problem is that as a Caucasian male, he's never going to get the benefit of the doubt.
	So he should just stay away from race altogether.
	Well, he does both.
	He does bad, doesn't he?
	Because what he does is he's not talking about white people, which is his base.
	And then he's talking a lot about minorities.
	And then they've got these slam dunks against him in terms of his past.
	So it's kind of like one of those poison chalices.
	Yeah.
	Chat, look, you're getting two different perspectives here.
	As you guys know, I'm far more right.
	Suleiman is a bit more left, so you guys are getting two different perspectives here, and I think it's good.
	Which, by the way, what do we got?
	Mo, Bill, what do you guys think?
	Should we switch the switch now, or switch the switch after the debate?
	What do y'all think?
	We still got commercials?
	I think so, yeah.
	Still got commercial?
	Okay.
	What's up, Mo?
	Oh, I don't know if we got time.
	Airtable.
	We gotta do Airtable.
	We got time for it?
	Yeah, we got time.
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	Back to debate.
	Let's go.
	Let the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us.
	And we can chart a new way forward.
	And a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people, which is why I intend to create An opportunity economy, investing in small businesses, in new families, in what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living.
	I believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining America's standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
	I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do.
	I'll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor.
	I was the DA, I was an Attorney General, a United States Senator, and now Vice President.
	I've only had one client, the people.
	And I'll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or a witness, are you a Republican or a Democrat?
	The only thing I ever asked them, are you okay?
	And that's the kind of president we need right now.
	Someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.
	I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people.
	Vice President Harris, thank you.
	President Trump?
	So she just started by saying she's gonna do this, she's gonna do that, she's gonna do all these wonderful things.
	Why hasn't she done it?
	She's been there for three and a half years.
	They've had three and a half years to fix the border.
	They've had three and a half years to Create jobs and all the things we talked about.
	Why hasn't she done it?
	She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do.
	But you haven't done it, and you won't do it.
	Because you believe in things that the American people don't believe in.
	You believe in things like, we're not going to frack, we're not going to take fossil fuel, we're not going to do...
	Things that are going to make this country strong, whether you like it or not.
	Germany tried that and within one year they were back to building normal energy plants.
	We're not ready for it.
	We can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.
	But I just ask one simple question.
	Why didn't she do it?
	We're a failing nation.
	We're a nation that's in serious decline.
	We're being laughed at all over the world.
	All over the world they laugh.
	I know the leaders very well.
	They're coming to see me.
	They call me.
	We're laughed at all over the world.
	They don't understand what happened to us as a nation.
	We're not a leader.
	We don't have any idea what's going on.
	We have wars going on in the Middle East.
	We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine.
	We're going to end up in a third world war and it'll be a war like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry.
	I rebuilt our entire military.
	She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban.
	She gave it to Afghanistan.
	What these people have done to our country and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of people to come into our country.
	Many of them are criminals and they're destroying our country.
	The worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country.
	President Trump, thank you.
	And that is our ABC News presidential debate from here in Philadelphia at the National Constitution Center.
	I'm Lindsay Davis.
	And I'm David Muir.
	Thank you for watching here in the U.S. and all over the world and from all of us here at ABC News.
	Good night.
	So, Chad, we're going to be reacting to this now and going back through it.
	So this is what I'm going to do.
	I'm going to end the YouTube stream here.
	And we are here live on...
	Mute it real quick, guys.
	Come on over from YouTube over to Twitch and Rumble.
	We're going to drop the Twitch link in here.
	Let's get over to a thousand fucking people watching this thing on Twitch and let's blow it up.
	So come on over, guys.
	We saw the debate on YouTube.
	Now we're going to go ahead and give some of the reactions to it.
	So guys, come on over to Twitch right now.
	Like I said before, we're building this thing up.
	We're no longer going to be streaming on YouTube.
	We're building up our Twitch platform and Rumble.
	That's where we're going to be streaming predominantly.
	But obviously, this is a special occasion with the debate.
	So we're going to drop the link in here.
	Open the tab, guys.
	Come on over to Twitch.
	Watch us on Rumble as well, guys, because Rumble is the free speech.
	Twitch is how we get to the normies.
	So we can go ahead and have this more base way of thinking.
	We got Suleiman in the house as well, so you guys are going to be able to hear the other perspective on things.
	We don't want a fucking echo chamber in here, which is why we were able to have a good discussion.
	So come on over, guys, because I'll tell you this.
	All the other political commentators don't have someone else that swings on the left.
	Talking with them.
	They're just going to go ahead and have their echo chambers and just talk shit about Kamala the whole time and not necessarily hear another perspective.
	So we're going to give the best commentary on this shit.
	So come on over.
	We're going to end the YouTube stream here.
	Come on over to Twitch.
	Come on ninjas.
	And we're going to go ahead and react to this thing.
	Come on over.
	We'll end the stream.
	You guys call it when you...
	Okay, we'll give it a second so people can kind of start popping over.
	Come on over guys, rumble.com slash freshfit or twitch.tv slash freshfitpodcast, whatever you guys want.
	If you guys could do me a favor, let's get a fucking hype train going back up on Twitch.
	And we're going to have a great conversation on this situation.
	And Suleiman is also live on X right now as well too, guys, if you guys want to prefer to watch on X. And if you have an Amazon Prime account, you are also able to subscribe to our Twitch through your Amazon Prime account, through Prime Twitch.
	You can sub with Prime.
	So come on over and...
	Yeah, guys, we're demonetized on YouTube, so we're going over to Twitch.
	Let's fucking do it.
	Definitely come over to Rumble.
	I think this is literally the only stream where you've got someone from a different perspective.
	Yeah, I'm looking right now, all the other political commentators, they all, it's only just, you know, right-wing guys on there.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm looking right now, Bongino, Crowder, yeah, all the big guys on the right, they're all just, it's, I like them, I love these guys, but it's, you know, they're not having someone else with a different perspective on, so...
	It's an echo chamber, isn't it?
	I mean, one of my apps, I know we're on Rumble, but one of the things about Rumble is it is just a MAGA platform, so I think this is the only stream that has someone else.
	Yep.
	So we're switching this thing up.
	Cool, we got 2,000 of y'all ninjas almost on Twitch.
	Let's blow this thing up, man.
	Let's come on over.
	Alright, so we have a lot to talk about, Suleiman.
	I guess you want to start with inflation first?
	Yeah, let's start with that, with the economy.
	That was the first thing.
	Like, first of all, overall, I think, I'm not just being biased, but I think Harris won.
	Okay.
	I thought that an even debate would really perpetuate her and catapult her in the race.
	And what's happened is I think she's actually dominated on a lot of issues.
	If you look at...
	So policies, she was stating more policies than he was, which was surprising.
	And even his rhetoric wasn't that great.
	Like a couple of points he made, we were like laughing because he was the old Trump, but he didn't do it throughout the debate.
	What she did was replace that with emotions.
	And emotions do impact people, impacts the left, impacts women, impacts liberals, impacts even some like feminized men, impacts the huge people from the left.
	So the entire strategy that she did Was brilliant from a strategy perspective.
	I thought with Trump, he wasn't as great.
	He wasn't as detailed.
	I think he got used to Biden.
	And those debates were obviously a lot more easier for him.
	So just from an overall debate perspective, I think that's what happened.
	I don't know if you want to talk about that first and then I'll go on to the conversation.
	You know what?
	I want to hear.
	Let's hear a little bit of like what ABC is saying.
	And then like me and you could definitely like, because let's see what these guys got to say.
	And then we'll go back to it.
	Can we pull it up real quick?
	And that is exactly what his allies and his advisors did not want to see.
	I can tell you, I do not think that part of Donald Trump's debate prep was people eating dogs in Springfield or comparing rally sizes.
	They wanted him to stay focused on the issues, especially the ones that he has an edge on Harris, economy and immigration.
	I mean, you want to get under Donald Trump's skin, you question the people at his rallies.
	And that was something else.
	Martha, you have...
	I have with us right now Governor Tim Walz, of course, the Democratic vice presidential candidate.
	Welcome, Governor Walz.
	How are you feeling?
	What's your reaction to the debate tonight?
	Martha, I'm feeling great because what I knew and I think so many knew and now many Americans know is you saw a president for all America in Kamala Harris.
	You saw the confidence.
	You saw the vision.
	You saw the poise.
	And you saw the compassion for people.
	Understanding she spoke about an economy that moves us forward, moves all of us forward, lets everybody be a part of it.
	And she continued to lay that out, whether it's reproductive freedom or how we start small businesses or making homeownership easier.
	And on the other side, You saw a nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump, angry, unhinged, and as you've been discussing, talking about things that are deeply concerning because they make no impact on the American public.
	He shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.
	And I have to tell you, if it weren't so dangerous, it reminds you of an old man yelling at the clouds.
	That was his thing.
	Get off my yard.
	That's what he did in my life.
	Contrast that with the poison in the air.
	It's laying out the confusion for everything that matters.
	Oh, his audio's fucked up.
	I think...
	The whole country can see what happened tonight.
	We'll keep pushing forward.
	That's the way that the country wants to see our politics be.
	She laid it out clearly.
	Donald Trump brought nothing tonight.
	Anger, resentment.
	Governor Walz, I do want to ask you, she did not answer questions on abortion restrictions.
	She never really answered that question.
	Can you clear that up where the Harris-Waltz ticket stands on that?
	Certainly, and you couldn't get any different than this.
	The reinstitution of Roe v.
	Wade, what was the law of the land, for 52 years, you saw this in there.
	And him pushing back to the stage, she's exactly right.
	It's people like Amanda in Texas, which everybody saw on the stage in Chicago, nearly bleeding out, having sepsis twice because she can't get the care.
	She's been absolutely clear on this.
	Everything Donald Trump said that is untrue.
	The clarity of this is Roe.
	When you have Roe, you have the protections in place where women make their own decisions with their health care providers, not Donald Trump.
	Okay, thanks so very much for joining us, Governor Walz.
	John?
	And we have the other side of the ticket.
	We have Senator J.D. Vance, Donald Trump's running mate, joining us now.
	Senator Vance, thank you for joining us.
	Thanks, John.
	I appreciate it.
	So I want to get to one part of the debate where you came up.
	Donald Trump was asked if he would veto a national abortion ban.
	He didn't answer the question, suggested, I guess, that he wouldn't.
	And then it was pointed out that you, in fact, said not that long ago that he would veto a national abortion ban.
	Can you explain the mix-up here?
	Well, I think the president's been very clear that he doesn't want a national abortion ban.
	I think in some ways he finds the question a little bit ridiculous because why are we asking him about legislation that's never going to actually happen and why he would veto it or not veto it when he says very explicitly that he doesn't support a national abortion ban and he wants these policies to be made by the states.
	But I think there's a deeper and more important issue here in this debate, which is that you had Kamala Harris effectively echoing platitude after platitude after platitude The American people can't pay their grocery bills on platitudes.
	They can't put their kids in a house on platitudes.
	And Kamala Harris had a lot to say, but very little actual substance behind it for how she's going to lower grocery prices, secure the border, and make housing more affordable in this country.
	She's been the vice president for three and a half years.
	She can't run on a record, and she apparently can't run on much of her plans either because it's just a lot of slogans and not a whole lot of substance.
	But Senator Vance, why won't he just say that he would veto the national abortion ban?
	And by the way, had you spoken to him about it before you were put in a position to answer that question?
	No, I hadn't spoken to him about it because again, Donald Trump thinks the question is absurd because he doesn't support a national abortion ban and he's been explicit about it.
	And John, I think that it's so preposterous for the media to focus so much on an issue where Donald Trump has been crystal clear And not on the fact that people can't afford groceries and housing because of Kamala Harris's policies.
	This election is actually quite simple.
	And Kamala Harris and apparently the media would like to distract Americans on issues by the way that Donald Trump's been crystal clear about.
	But they're not talking nearly enough.
	This debate didn't talk nearly enough about the fact that Americans are struggling because they can't afford groceries.
	They can't afford And a lot of their kids are dying of fentanyl overdoses because Kamala Harris has let the Mexican drug cartels take over the southern border.
	This is a disgrace what's going on in our country, John.
	And we could do so much better if we just had better leadership.
	We've got the best workers, the most beautiful country, the best natural resources.
	But Kamala Harris's leadership is squandering the great benefits of this country.
	It's why we've got to get back to Donald Trump's leadership.
	Senator, by the way, I asked because he hadn't been crystal clear and he said something different than what you said.
	That's why I was seeking clarification.
	But let me ask you about this, just very quickly.
	I heard Donald Trump before this debate describe Kamala Harris as, I'll just read a few of them, a low IQ individual, somebody who doesn't have the mental capacity to be president, really dumb, unable to put two sentences together.
	Is that what you saw on the stage tonight?
	John, what I saw was a lot of slogans.
	I think the American people are smart and Kamala Harris talks to them like their children.
	She repeats these ridiculous platitudes where if you actually think about what she said, you realize that it doesn't make any sense.
	She talks a lot about her plans, but then her plans, when you analyze the substance, don't make any sense.
	And more importantly, John, The American people don't get fed on plans.
	She has been the vice president for three and a half years.
	What she can't do, refuses to do, and has no ability to do, is to say, I accomplished lower prices because she didn't.
	Or I accomplished lower housing prices because she didn't.
	Or I secured the southern border because she didn't do that.
	She has failed as vice president.
	And the fundamental question is, do we want to give her a promotion?
	I think the answer has to be no, John.
	All right.
	Senator Vance, thank you for joining us, Mary.
	One thing both sides can agree on, this was a consequential night in this race.
	More reaction when we come back.
	Stay with us.
	Interesting.
	Let's go to Fox.
	Can we go to Fox real quick?
	I want to see their breakdown, because obviously that's from ABC, which is a left-leaning news organization.
	I want to see what Fox is saying.
	If you don't mind, Bills.
	So, Mel, what's your thoughts on that?
	Yeah, I mean, I think Jodie Vance came across a lot more good, better, actually.
	And I would say now, looking at that, I think Jodie Vance will be in their debate.
	Looking at that, we'll have to see.
	But in terms of, again, coming back to the point, if anything, the fact that Vance answered the question and Trump didn't makes it look bad on Trump.
	I think Trump was way too vague on too many issues.
	And I think...
	Kamala was very specific.
	So once we get down to the issues, I'll break it down as well as what my thoughts were and how even some of the issues where Trump was going way too left and he's alienating his own base.
	I just think he didn't do a great job, generally speaking.
	Yeah.
	Bills, you got it?
	Unburdened by common sense.
	And here she was tonight.
	She was composed.
	She was prepared.
	She kept her cool.
	She saw advantages.
	She baited him successfully, which is the story of the debate, in my view.
	So she came out ahead in this, in my opinion, no doubt.
	Now, whether it'll move the needle in the race, very few things seem to.
	But that remains to be seen.
	What are you going to say?
	Does it move the needle, though?
	It may or may not.
	But think about this.
	Most people didn't know her.
	They heard the lead-up that she was going to be unprepared, that she was a cackler, that she had mismanaged things.
	You watched this tonight, and you don't know much about this, you say, all right, when am I going to see that person?
	Because you saw a different person this evening.
	Now, I'm delighted that there's going to be a second debate.
	At least there's an eagerness and a willingness on the part of me to do it again.
	Because I think these questions should be asked of the Vice President about the shift in positions.
	But what I don't get, and all of you all, I respect everybody on this panel, why didn't he ask these questions of her?
	I mean, if you believe that your candidacy is that important to the country, I didn't think he'd be mean-spirited about it.
	He had some moments where he was a little mean.
	He could have asked the question about the shifting positions.
	Now, should the moderators have done it?
	No doubt.
	But if I was on that stage, I would have asked those questions.
	Tonight, she won.
	If she's asking for another debate, though, they don't think she won this debate, hands down.
	I would be, to Dana's point, saying, bike drop, we're done.
	They don't think that she's in a position right now to win this race.
	They need another debate.
	I don't disagree.
	I think it's an even race.
	I just think she won tonight.
	Let's hope that they say yes, and again, we have the formal invite out This has been quite something because there was a lot of buildup to this moment.
	There was a lot of buildup.
	The question is, how many people watched for how long and how much did it move this race?
	Because it's as tight a race as we have ever seen in this country.
	And last time we sat here, Joe Biden was running against President Trump.
	So who knows what's going to happen next.
	Thank you all for tuning in tonight and joining us for the presidential debate.
	Hannity is up right now.
	So, it's going to be interesting.
	I want to see what Hannity says because he's a hardcore Trump supporter.
	Let's see what he says.
	Hannity, we are live, we are in the spin room, and we are in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where the first and only scheduled debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris is officially now in the books.
	In just a moment, we're going to get reaction from Senator Marco Rubio, Senator Ted Cruz, Trump's running mate J.D. Vance, and Robert Kennedy Jr.
	But first, in case you missed it, here's how it all went down.
	I don't say her because she has no policy.
	Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window.
	She's going to my philosophy now.
	In fact, I was going to send her a MAGA hat.
	She's gone to my philosophy.
	But if she ever got elected, she'd change it.
	And it will be the end of our country.
	She's a Marxist.
	Everybody knows she's a Marxist.
	Will she allow abortion in the eighth month, ninth month, seventh month?
	Come on.
	Okay, would you do that?
	Why don't you ask her that question?
	That's the problem.
	Because under Roe v.
	Wade, you could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month.
	They allowed criminals.
	Many, many millions of criminals.
	They allowed terrorists.
	They allowed common street criminals.
	They allowed people to come in, drug dealers, to come into our country.
	And they're now in the United States.
	Fracking?
	She's been against it for 12 years.
	Defund the police.
	She's been against that forever.
	She gave all that stuff up very wrongly, very horribly, and everybody's laughing at it, okay?
	All right, what you didn't hear tonight was any substance from Kamala Harris about pretty much anything.
	She delivered a lot of pre-rehearsed, memorized platitudes, lines, plenty of attacks.
	This was, I hate Trump, I hate Trump, I hate Trump, and I hate Trump more.
	Anyway, with lots of kind of weird faces and expressions, we still don't have answers.
	Where she stands on defunding the police, electric vehicle mandates, mandatory gun confiscation, which she lied about, Medicare for All, the $93 trillion Green New Deal she co-sponsored in the U.S. Senate with Bernie Sanders, banning plastic straws, reducing red meat consumption, up to a 70 or 80 percent income tax rate by economics.
	We call it Bidenomics, and we're proud of it.
	Offshore drilling, fracking, decriminalizing illegal immigration, free housing, healthcare, education, college education, and now sex change surgery provided by taxpayers.
	We didn't hear about the border wall that she was against, that now she's for, and we didn't hear about illegal immigrants and returning home.
	Late-term abortion.
	She didn't answer the question about restrictions, about months seven, eight, and nine.
	And the list goes on and on.
	Left-wing moderators, the biggest loser of the night, ABC Disney, Bob Iger's network.
	It was a disgrace.
	They barely asked her about important issues.
	We've got 56 days until an election.
	Early voting starts in this commonwealth in seven days.
	You know, in between so-called fact-checking and clapbacks only against Donald Trump, because Kamala didn't offer any details on her own, as predicted, tonight's debate was three on one.
	Anyway, joining us now from the spin room, Florida Senator, my Senator, free state of Florida, Marco Rubio.
	Senator, how are you?
	Thank you.
	He was doing a big gaggle before.
	I walked over and away.
	Yeah.
	Tapping on the back.
	He's my senator.
	They were impressed.
	The reporters were impressed.
	The biggest, I think, failure for the country tonight was ABC. Yeah, it's an embarrassment.
	It's an embarrassment to journalism.
	I mean, literally, there were times where they would say, Donald Trump, why did you do or say this horrible thing?
	And then the question to Kamala Harris is, what do you think about the horrible thing that Donald Trump did?
	There was no...
	Listen, they didn't ask her.
	Grocery bills are up 50% from 2020.
	50%.
	What do you say about that, Kamala Harris?
	How are you going to deal with that?
	They didn't ask her about the Afghan.
	They let her get away with this lie that Joe Biden didn't withdraw us from Afghanistan.
	Joe Biden was run out of Afghanistan in humiliating fashion.
	Even the fact checkers were wrong, where she said, oh, there's no state in the country where there's a lot.
	There are multiple states in this country, including Tim Walz's Minnesota, where if a baby is born in a botched abortion, they allow the baby to die.
	And then they let her get away with not answering what restrictions.
	She would be supportive of it.
	See, this is a frustrating thing is when you have three on one and you have a fact like you just laid out about Tim Walz and his position on late-term abortion.
	And Donald Trump was 100% right.
	He was talking about Governor Northam.
	Well, first the baby will be born and we'll make the baby comfortable and then the doctor will talk to the mother.
	But that's not the point.
	Months 7th, 8th and 9th.
	Even people I know that are pro-choice, that would be infanticide.
	Of course.
	But here's the bottom line.
	Americans know Donald Trump.
	He was their president.
	He's been campaigning now since 2016.
	They know his positions.
	They know very little about Kamala Harris.
	Tonight, for the first time, despite the best efforts of these moderators, Americans began to learn that this was someone who was raising money to bail rioters out of jail.
	This was someone who said she wanted to defund ICE. This was someone who basically said that we should be paying for the sex change operations of illegal migrants in detention.
	This was someone who accused the Border Patrol of whipping Haitian migrants at the border.
	And this is someone that has been in the White House for four years, talking about all these things she's going to do.
	They've done none of them.
	She talks about immigration and this bill.
	They have the power in the law right now to enforce our immigration laws.
	She has no campaign plan.
	She just invaded her policy plan.
	It was literally, I'm not saying this, New Republic, a liberal left-wing magazine is saying it.
	She literally cut and pasted it from the Joe Biden platform.
	She did cut and paste it.
	And so think about it.
	She is Joe Biden and worse because of what she stood for in 2019.
	56 days.
	Just bear with me the list.
	No restrictions on abortion for her and her running mate.
	Mandatory gun buyback.
	She lied about that at the end of the debate.
	No border wall, decriminalizing illegal immigration, free housing, healthcare, education, free college in Minnesota, legal driver's licenses.
	We've had murder, we've had rape, we've had violent crime.
	And now we're going to offer, what, taxpayer-funded sex change operations.
	She supports reparations.
	The $93 trillion Green New Deal, which would be the end of capitalism, she co-sponsored it.
	Government health care for all, the elimination of private health insurance.
	How does ABC not bring that up?
	Not a single one of those things was asked.
	How did they not bring up radical Islamic terrorism?
	President Trump did a good job of injecting that in there and in the end of the debate he said the most important thing and that is She's been there for four years.
	All these things she's promising, they haven't done.
	And frankly, she wouldn't answer the most important question she was asked all night.
	She was asked this, are Americans better off today than they were four years ago?
	She didn't even answer it.
	She went on to talk about how she was born to a middle-class family, raised in Canada for part of that time in what apparently is not a middle-class neighborhood.
	But nonetheless, she went into her biography.
	And I think she was exposed tonight.
	The talking heads, you know, they analyzed this because they all want to pretend like Kamala Harris was born on July 24th of this year.
	She has a record.
	She has a record as a senator, and she has a record as vice president.
	And Americans tonight got a glimpse of what she really believes, what she really stands for, and what direction she'll actually take our country.
	And I think that was a big win.
	A big win.
	Does this move the needle in your view?
	I think it does, because there's a lot of voters.
	Remember, voters in the real world don't analyze this like the people that talk on cable news.
	They're viewing it in their mindset, okay, who's this lady?
	And they start hearing these things.
	Hold on a second.
	She helped bail out rioters?
	Hold on a second.
	She wouldn't answer the question about at what point should an abortion not be allowed, you know, the day before the due date?
	She wouldn't answer that question.
	They pick up on these things.
	And for her to brag about Afghanistan, she bragged about Afghanistan.
	She said, Joe Biden, he was run out of there.
	And not only did he run out of there, we lost $90 billion worth of American equipment that they're parading down the street.
	There are a lot of real people in the real world who are not political junkies who are going to vote and decide this election, who watched tonight.
	They saw the man that was president, and they remember their lives were better when he was president.
	They were safer.
	They were more prosperous.
	We were more respected in the world.
	And then they saw this person.
	They didn't know a lot about her.
	And now they're beginning to learn facts about her that I think will be decisive.
	Senator, great to see you.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Now, according to the Washington Post, the Harris campaign is now saying they want a second debate.
	What does that tell us?
	Joining us with more reactions to tonight's debate.
	She thinks she was an easy win.
	Senator, how do you interpret that and your overall thoughts on the debate tonight?
	Well, listen, I'm skeptical that Kamala's team will have her do a second debate.
	I think they're going to back out of that.
	I think they're going to send her back to Joe Biden's basement.
	I think we probably will not see Kamala emerge again from the basement, sort of like the groundhog in her shadow.
	She's not going to come out again from the basement until election night.
	Other than to go for rallies and read from teleprompters.
	And listen, I gotta say tonight, what Kamala demonstrated is number one, she cannot defend her disastrous record.
	Her record is an absolute train wreck.
	So instead what she did, what we saw tonight in this quote debate, Was her repeating memorized set pieces from her stump speech and from her convention speech.
	The very opening question, the most important question in any election, are you better off now than you were four years ago?
	She refused to answer that because she couldn't answer that.
	Because nobody, unless you are a Mexican drug lord, nobody else is better off than they were four years ago.
	So she didn't answer that.
	Instead, she's like, I'm from a middle class family.
	I want things better for you.
	And no aspect On inflation, she didn't address that she cast the tie-breaking vote on trillions of dollars of spending that caused inflation hurting Americans across this country.
	On energy, she didn't address that she and Joe Biden have waged war on American energy over and over and over again, driving up the cost of gasoline and everything else for Americans.
	On the border, she didn't address her own personal responsibility, the invasion, the crime, the murders, the women sexually assaulted, the children brutalized.
	She didn't take responsibility for any of that.
	And then on foreign policy, I actually thought on foreign policy she was the weakest.
	It was absurd.
	When she turned to Donald Trump and says, well, everyone knows you were weak and ineffective.
	Listen, if Donald Trump were still in the White House, the two wars that broke out under her leadership and Joe Biden's would not have happened.
	Russia would not have invaded Ukraine and we would not have the war in In Israel, and she took no responsibility for that weakness, nor did she have a word to say about the over $100 billion that she and Joe Biden have flowed to Iran.
	All of her records she ran away from, and I gotta say, the ABC moderators were complicit in her running a completely fact-free debate performance.
	I think that's well said, Senator.
	I mean, and there's so much that we don't understand.
	Defund, dismantle, reimagine ICE, the police, the Minneapolis.
	They wanted to talk about January 6th.
	There were 600 riots in the summer of 2020.
	She tweets out the Minnesota Bail Fund four days after the police precinct is burned.
	And, you know, they won't stop.
	They shouldn't stop.
	We're not going to stop all things that she said.
	18 to 24-year-olds are stupid.
	Abolish the filibuster to pass the Green New Deal.
	Inflation is transitory.
	The border is secure.
	We're proud of Bidenomics.
	The country needs to be woke.
	We'll never deport illegals.
	And now we're going to give free sex change operations to convicted felons and illegal immigrants.
	How is that going to go over in your state of Texas?
	I would imagine not so well.
	Look, it goes over terribly, but what you just did, what I just did, is what the Trump campaign needs to do between now and Election Day, which is lay out the actual facts of her record, because she won't confront them.
	So, for example, on abortion, she said, no, no, no, I'm not for late-term abortions, eight- and nine-month abortions.
	She has voted for legislation that would legalize abortion up until the moment of birth.
	When she says, I don't know what you're talking about, abortion after birth, well, Kamala Harris voted against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which says that if in the course of an abortion a baby is alive, is breathing, is outside of the womb, you can't just kill the baby.
	She voted no.
	And so her actual record Needs to be systematically laid out when it comes to crime.
	This is someone who has supported defund the police.
	This is someone who has supported defund ICE. This is someone, Kamala Harris, who compared ICE, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency, to the KKK. But we need to make sure those facts get before the American people because ABC is not going to do it.
	The corporate media is not going to do it.
	And listen, her radical record is radical the same way my opponent, Colin Allred, who's running against me.
	Both of them vote repeatedly in favor of open borders.
	Both of them vote for trillions of dollars of spending we don't have.
	Both of them vote for the war against oil and gas and American energy.
	Both of them vote in favor of defunding the police.
	That's their record.
	But I got to tell you, The left right now, they are flooding money to Kamala Harris.
	They're flooding money to my opponent because they want to deceive the American people.
	Both Kamala Harris and my opponent are running ads with Donald Trump's border wall in it, even though both of them have opposed it their entire careers.
	The hypocrisy is enormous, which is why we need to bring the facts back up and prosecute this case on the merits.
	All right, Senator Ted Cruz, we appreciate you being with us.
	Joining us now is 2024 Republican vice presidential nominee, Senator J.D. Vance.
	Senator, great to see you.
	How are you?
	Good.
	Are you getting ready for your debate?
	Yeah.
	Got a lot of pointers this evening.
	Okay.
	All right, let's get your overall take.
	I think the thing that's frustrating to me and a lot of people, number one, I think three-on-one was a little frustrating.
	Yeah.
	Number two, the topics that are so relevant, the radical positions that she's taken.
	Sure.
	When I first interviewed you, The first interview you did, when you were vice president, when you announced to be the candidate, I asked you every hard question.
	And you answered every one of them.
	And I kept you longer.
	It was supposed to be 10 minutes, I kept you 30.
	I was being very nice.
	And all these radical positions she's taken, still no answers.
	We have not moved the ball an inch.
	It is frustrating.
	It is frustrating.
	And the moderators, I think, did a terrible job of following up on that.
	But look, I think President Trump did a good job at reminding the American people that this is a person who wanted to ban fracking.
	Here we are in Pennsylvania.
	She supported banning fracking.
	She supported defunding the police.
	She supported opening the border.
	And I think that, though the moderators didn't do their job, I think President Trump did do his job in reminding the American people that she has taken a number of radical positions that, as he joked, she's running away from.
	Now she's acting like Donald Trump.
	She's about to put on a MAGA hat because she realizes...
	By the way, That was a pretty good line.
	It was my favorite moment of the debate.
	But she is a radical who is trying to run towards Donald Trump's positions because she knows that's what's popular, but it's not what she actually believes.
	And I think that if you go to her performance, Sean, the most striking part of it is if you actually listen to what she said, it was platitude after platitude after slogan.
	There was no substance.
	How is she going to lower grocery prices for American citizens?
	Rehearse, cliched, use everything that you want to say.
	And the bottom line is fundamentally, I hate Trump.
	That's exactly right.
	And also, look, both of them have records.
	That's what's different about this election, almost any other election in my lifetime.
	You have two people with a record.
	Donald Trump is proud of his record.
	Kamala Harris is running away from her record because her record is higher grocery prices, homes that are unaffordable, a wide open southern border, rising fentanyl deaths.
	This is happening because of her failed leadership.
	And all we need to remind the American people of, and I think Donald Trump did a great job of this tonight, is the reason why these problems happen is because Kamala Harris failed to do it.
	I know he's doing bad defense.
	She's 50 days, and prior to tonight, she does one interview, no press conferences.
	You're out there every day between you and President Trump.
	You're nearing, what, 50 combined?
	Sure.
	And it's still a mystery.
	It's like...
	The candidate protection program and the media keeps her in there.
	You know, I have all of these files, the Kamala files, the Walls files, them in their own words.
	This was all available to ABC tonight.
	You said this about fracking, you said this about drilling, you said this about sex change operations that taxpayers pay for for criminals and for illegal immigrants, free housing, health care, education for illegal immigrants, the elimination of private health care.
	All of these positions that she's taken, you know, and it's amazing that we're this far, that we're this close to an election, we don't have these answers.
	Let's go ahead and give some of our commentary here.
	Or do you want to let J.D. Vance finish?
	And she's running vibes.
	What the hell is a virus?
	It feels like it sometimes.
	I feel like watching Kamala Harris, like I've taken some psychedelics, but look, she has a total disaster, Sean, and she runs away from a record.
	This is the most striking thing, is if you're the vice president, you've been in power for three and a half years, is she running by saying, look what we did to lower your grocery prices, look what we did to make the world more secure?
	She can't.
	She can't because her record is one of failure.
	And we just have to remind the American people of this, Sean.
	I mean, look, I think if you watch the debate, you're sitting at home, you're an undecided voter.
	What you saw is a person who repeats slogans instead of respecting you enough to treat you like an adult.
	You know, Donald Trump, and he gets criticized by this, by the left for this, by the way.
	Donald Trump actually answers the questions because he respects the American people enough to treat you like an adult.
	We treat them like citizens.
	That's why he goes out there, talks to people, because he thinks he ought to try to win the people's vote, not just have it given to you.
	She also told a lot of lies about Project 2025.
	Project 2025 is her radical agenda for her.
	A national abortion ban.
	That wasn't true.
	She lied about Her saying in 2000, no, I didn't say I'm for fracking.
	Mandatory gun buyback, she said at the end of the debate.
	Oh, no, I never said that.
	I'm a gun owner.
	I'm like, that is exactly what you said.
	Yes, you did.
	It's on tape.
	We have it.
	We played it.
	That's right.
	Well, that's the entire trick here, right?
	Is the media is helping Kamala Harris run away from her record.
	But we have her on tape saying all these things, Sean.
	And by the way, when she said that she supported a ban on fracking, then she changed her view in 2020.
	That's another complete fabrication.
	She has never once changed her view that she wanted to ban fracking.
	And you're an American sitting at home.
	She became the presumptive nominee.
	Well, that's right.
	She changed her mind in 2024, but not in 2020, so another complete fabrication.
	But think about this.
	If you're a Pennsylvania energy worker, or you're an American suffering from high utility and energy bills, Kamala Harris is telling you she wants to make you pay more, and she wants to put these energy workers out of the job.
	It's a disgrace.
	Fox News froze.
	We just have to keep on doing it.
	Let me ask you this, because I think this is very important.
	So, with 56 days, but we have early voting.
	We're one week away.
	Early voting starts here in Pennsylvania.
	You're spending a lot of time in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
	Sure.
	And one has to wonder, you know, To what extent has her past statements and radical positions penetrated the consciousness of the American people?
	Look, I think they've penetrated a little bit, and it's our job over the remaining 56 days of the campaign.
	You're right, early voting starts in just a couple of weeks.
	It's our job to make it penetrate.
	Sean, we have to do this every single day.
	We have to remind the American people of what she said.
	But this is not complicated.
	We just have to tell the truth.
	Kamala Harris wanted to ban fracking.
	She wanted to defund the police.
	She said it all on video.
	We just have to remind people of what she said.
	And by the way, Sean, it's not just reminding people what she said.
	It's reminding what Donald Trump did and has plans to do again.
	We had prosperity.
	We had power.
	We had the American dream that started to feel alive again thanks to Donald Trump's leadership.
	Sean, you know I believe this.
	I think we've got the best workers, the best history and cultural traditions in the world.
	We've got the best natural resources in the most beautiful country.
	We have got failed leadership that is ruining our great inheritance as a country.
	We just need better leadership.
	It's that simple.
	Senator, good to see you.
	Appreciate it.
	We'll be seeing you out on the campaign trail.
	Alright, one issue that did get a lot of attention from ABC's far-left moderators was the weaponization of our Department of Justice.
	Donald Trump still made it a point of emphasis.
	Take a look.
	Every one of those cases was started by them against their political opponent.
	And I'm winning most of them, and I will win the rest on appeal.
	And you saw that with the decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court.
	I'm winning most of them.
	But those are cases, it's called weaponization.
	Never happened in this country.
	They weaponized the Justice Department.
	Every one of those cases was involved with the DOJ, from Atlanta and Fawney Willis to the The Attorney General of New York and the DA in New York.
	Every one of those cases.
	And then they say, oh, he's a criminal.
	They're the ones that made them go after me.
	It's weaponization, and they used it, and it's never happened in this country.
	They used it to try and win an election.
	They're fake cases.
	All right, joining us now, someone who knows firsthand about the weaponization of justice, live from the spin room, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
	Great to see you.
	How are you?
	Good to see you, Sean.
	You left your party, a party that was near and dear to your father, to your uncle.
	I think it has no resemblance to the Democratic Party today.
	And this is the frustrating part about tonight, the radicalization, the views stated by Kamala, you know, They weren't asked by the moderators.
	I was disappointed by the evident bias of the moderators who were fact-checking constantly, kind of trivialities.
	President Trump, but as far as I saw, they didn't fact check Vice President Harris a single time.
	You're right, Sean.
	The party that I grew up in doesn't exist anymore.
	The party of Robert Kennedy and John Kennedy was a party of peace.
	It was the party of resisting the corporate subversion of American democracy.
	It was the party of civil rights and constitutional rights, particularly censorship.
	Very opposed to censorship and surveillance.
	It was the party of protecting the most vulnerable people in our society, including particularly children.
	Today, the Democratic Party is the party of war.
	It's the party of censorship.
	It's the party of surveillance.
	We saw Dick Cheney and John Bolton endorse, along with 255 neocons, endorse Vice President Harris this week.
	They came out of exile where they were sent after the Patriot Act.
	They were sent after the war in Iraq, the biggest foreign policy debacle in American history.
	And they're not endorsing Vice President Harris because they've changed their minds.
	They're endorsing her because she represents their worldview.
	More censorship, more war, more surveillance.
	And less liberty and constitutional rights.
	You know, there's a lot in the course of your campaign.
	They talk about democracy in peril, but everything, the entire force of the democratic establishment, if you will, they just went in for the political, you know, death of your campaign.
	They did not want you to get to, they didn't want you to get a first base.
	You know, that's the other thing is that they've abandoned democracy.
	The Democratic Party is now about centralized control.
	It's about losing faith in the demos, the people, and about abolishing elections, abolishing our ability to hear different Points of view to hear dissent.
	In my case, of course, they got rid of the primaries.
	They literally abolished many of the primaries so that President Biden wouldn't have to debate me, wouldn't have to run against me.
	Let me dip in, I guess, Kamala's at one of her watch parties or something.
	I don't know what she's saying.
	Let's just dip in for a second.
	And let me just say that I think we all know that tonight was a night that highlights something that you all have been working so hard on.
	We have folks here who have been knocking on doors.
	Well, you know.
	But we have a lot of work to do, okay?
	And tonight, I think, highlighted for the American people what's at stake.
	I started the debate by talking about it, and it became apparent, I think, throughout that about an hour and a half that...
	So, obviously, she's going to go out there and her team.
	The thing that I learned about her tonight is being hidden away for days and days and days on end.
	You can learn your rehearse lines.
	And it doesn't matter if you tell the truth, because she wasn't fact-checked.
	She told a lot of lies about Trump in 2025, lies about mandatory gun buybacks, which she did support, lying about fracking, lying about a national abortion ban that Donald Trump Yeah, guys, so I'm like kind of seeing where everybody's saying, and then we'll kind of give our...
	Off message, and it does appear, is that Donald Trump there going into the spin room perhaps, making an entrance there as well.
	Whit, I know you'll keep an eye on that.
	Let me know if you need to turn there.
	But, you know, one of the things that's so interesting is looking ahead now, where does the Kamala Harris team go?
	Because so much of this comes down to whether, you know, they can spin this how they want, Trump can spin this how he wants.
	But what it comes down to are those key independent voters.
	Harris is going to be out there in those key battleground states in the coming days.
	And they feel this was so successful, they are now asking for a second debate in October, challenging Trump to see if he will accept that debate.
	And you can shout that question to him there with.
	And in a final, just, you know, sort of top off the night here, Taylor Swift tweeting out to her 283 million followers that she is now endorsing Kamala Harris with that is going to be something that's hard for Trump to take off.
	Mary, forgive me.
	Former President Donald Trump is here in the spin room.
	Whenever there's an audience, we know that the former president likes to be part of it, so he has essentially taken over.
	And there is a scramble here on the spin room floor.
	Let's go to Jay O'Brien.
	I think you're right there in the middle of it.
	Jay, what's going on?
	Wait, Donald Trump has just walked into the spin room here.
	He's walking here.
	Mr.
	Trump, we're live on ABC News here, sir.
	Mr.
	Trump.
	I think he's about to talk.
	Here we go.
	So we thought it was our best debate ever.
	It was my best debate ever, I think.
	And it was very interesting.
	It showed how weak they are, how pathetic they are, and what they're doing to destroy our country and the border with foreign trade, with everything.
	And I think it was the best debate I've ever personally that I've had.
	We're getting polls that show 92 to 6.
	88 to 11.
	We're having a lot of great polls that just came out.
	Polls, I guess, phone calls and lots of other polls, but you see the polls.
	A very important debate.
	Now, she wants to do another one because she got beaten tonight, but I don't know if we're going to do another one.
	I wouldn't mind.
	Did she get into your head tonight, sir?
	I just found it.
	90%, 60%, 72%, 71%, and 89%.
	So the polls are very good.
	But beyond the polls, I felt very good.
	I had a good time doing it.
	I hate to speak about our country so negatively, but that's what happened.
	They've ruined our country.
	They've destroyed our country.
	So I hope you're all having a good time.
	But it was a very interesting evening.
	So confident you went tonight.
	Why are you here?
	Why not let the performance speak for itself?
	Well, I think it did.
	But people said, would I come here?
	And I made an obligation to a couple of people that I'm going to do their show.
	But it was a, I thought it was a great night.
	Mr.
	President, Mr.
	President, you talked to me.
	What is your reaction to Taylor Swift and Marshall?
	I have no idea.
	Mr.
	President, when Republicans are complaining about moderators, does that mean that it wasn't a good night?
	Were you not prepared?
	No, I thought the moderators were very unfair.
	But it basically was three on one.
	But I thought they were very unfair, the moderators.
	Everybody did.
	But despite that, they're saying that the debate was a big debate.
	Mr.
	President, Mr.
	President, is prepared for that kind of debate?
	Yeah, I assume the moderators would be bad because that right there is Why won't you commit to a second debate with Kamala Harris?
	She wants a second debate because she lost tonight very badly.
	So they immediately called for a second debate because they lost.
	So we'll think about that.
	But she immediately called for a second.
	Look, we're looking at polls.
	We're looking at polls.
	The worst poll that we've had was 71% that I see.
	71% to like 24 or 25%.
	We'll look at it.
	All right, Witt, so if you still have me, he's walked a little bit away from our camera.
	Now he's at the edge there.
	You won't be able to hear him well.
	But one of the things you did hear was a question just asked by our Catherine Folders asking, why not commit to another debate if you believe that you won?
	He said he believes.
	He won this debate, but then he was also asked, why being here in the spin room spinning about this debate if it's a debate that you believe was a clean win?
	We're going to try to get you as close as we can to Donald Trump, but I don't think you're going to be able to hear.
	Let me try to get my mic in there and see if you can hear Whit if you're still going through my camera here.
	Yeah, we're listening.
	Let's see what we can hear.
	I had great debates.
	I thought this was my best.
	Well, I thought she was not very good tonight.
	She didn't protect the vice president.
	He's, you know, the office of the vice president.
	And certainly, and certainly, if you take a look at it, she was terrible with respect to the president.
	She's trying to get herself away from Biden, and she wasn't able to do that tonight.
	I think it was a big thing.
	They wanted to disassociate with Biden, and they weren't able to do that.
	Mr.
	Mr. President.
	All right.
	So, if I can just tell you what we're seeing, because it's probably still hard to hear.
	Donald Trump has entered the spin room.
	He's gaggled.
	Let's, uh...
	Let's go ahead and go through it, man.
	I guess what we can start with is, what are your overall thoughts, Suleiman?
	And then we can go, or do you want to go point by point first?
	What do you want to do?
	Well, we'll do it overall, and then we'll do point by point.
	Let's do it.
	Go ahead.
	That's all right.
	So overall, I mean, immediately after the debate, I thought Harris won.
	By the way, I'm not like pro-Harris, right?
	Yeah.
	But I just don't want Trump to win because I don't think...
	It's confusing.
	I don't want either of them to win, right?
	But coming back to it, like I thought she won, but now after hearing Fox News and seeing RFK, Rubio, Cruz, Hannity, I'm like, actually she dominated.
	Like when I'm hearing their arguments and they actually...
	Presenting better challenges to her points than Trump did.
	It kind of demonstrates how weak he was during the debate.
	So I think he was really bad.
	The reason he's come out now is because he's realized how bad he was.
	And this was almost like a defense ploy to say, look, I won.
	It's the best debate I've ever had.
	These type of things.
	It's kind of like him playing defense after having such a...
	Basically, a huge loss.
	When he's talking about the polls, as far as I know, and I did have a quick search, it does seem to be Twitter polls he's tweeted on some of them from Truth Social where it's only MAGA people.
	So of course, what are MAGA people going to vote?
	But Polymarket, which is actually run by Peter Thiel.
	Peter Thiel put J.D. Vance in place.
	Peter Thiel, he has backed the Trump campaign.
	According to Polymarket, Harris dominated this debate.
	So just from an overall debate perspective, I think Harris won.
	It's why she's got the confidence for a second debate.
	If it was close, she would have left the second debate and just let it go.
	But she's thinking, you know what, this guy's easy pickings.
	Pure domination.
	So my thoughts on it was I think Trump could have done a lot better.
	He...
	I mean, I don't know if I could even pick a defined winner.
	I think it's damn near a tie, which is not good, right, from the Trump perspective.
	You know, ABC did ask questions to kind of provoke Trump and they would ask him about his policies but not necessarily hers as much.
	I would say it's like maybe a one to three ratio where they would like kind of maybe question her on one of her policies and then but with him they would always like say that's not true Mr.
	President like they would fact check they fact checked him a lot more than they fact checked her.
	I mean, I'm not surprised.
	ABC is far more left-leaning.
	Especially that female host, she had no problem with saying, that's actually not true, Mr.
	President, or some shit like that.
	She'd get in a slick remark here or there, a jab, before going on to the question or her comment or whatever the fuck it may be.
	I think I'm actually surprised that Harris would want to do a second debate.
	I would think that since she's so confident that she won, that she'd be like, no, I'm not going to do another debate because I won, right?
	I think there were some things that Trump could have done a lot better on, especially strong points.
	I think could have really hammered her.
	Well, we could go point by point now, actually, since we're on this part.
	And then, real quick, before I get into the points now, we gave you guys kind of an overall summary.
	We got the gifted subs, or let's read chats.
	And then we'll go step by step with everything.
	So we got some of these chats here.
	Thank you guys for tuning in.
	You guys could be anywhere else in the world, but you're here with me and Suleiman right now.
	So shout out to you guys.
	We got Turbo says, again, stop mid-jerk to comment this.
	Wow.
	I'll watch the rerun tomorrow.
	Gotta get some sleep.
	23, been driving trucks for three and a half years, saving up 50k to buy my truck.
	Owner, ops in Chicago area, make 4 to 6k a week.
	Okay.
	Who's up next?
	Thanks, Turb.
	If Kamala wins the election, she will be known as the 304-in-Chief, L. Harris, W. Trump.
	Okay?
	This is my next cheer to be on Twitch.
	I might surprise you guys in October.
	Please make Twitch work now.
	Behave, you two.
	Twitch is soft.
	And that's from Amshay.
	Shout out to you, bro.
	Yeah, we're going to be a lot more active on Twitch, gentlemen.
	Shout out to her.
	Sure.
	Oh, it's a female.
	Okay, shout out to her.
	Hey, Myron.
	Will there be an FNF News or any other stream where both Suleiman Ahmed and Tommy Sotomayor is a stream, including both of them, will be fired?
	Sure.
	We got WFNFWCastClub.
	Shout out to you guys.
	Watching that chick stand there and grin while Trump talks about how poor the economy is is disgusting.
	She stutters just as bad as fresh Moe and Suleiman.
	Someone put them in a class for speech therapy.
	This from Jay Hassan and Bruschi.
	Suleiman doesn't stutter, guys.
	What else we got here?
	Yeah, they never put me in office.
	Okay.
	Damn, her asshole must be jealous of her mouth for the amount of shit she's spewing.
	That's from Gaz.
	And then Playmaker says, this bitch Kamala needs to stop lying that she grew up middle class.
	Wasn't her father a rich man from Jamaica that happened to own slaves?
	Then why is she saying that she grew up in a middle class background?
	Boom, fuck up!
	No wonder Kamala was ducking his debate.
	Okay, that's from Bra-Bear.
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	Here's the issue with the black BS they tried to sneak in there.
	If you actually go on Wayback Machine and look at her Wikipedia page, or if you look at any biography written about her, she herself identifies as Indian American.
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	Six total.
	Hector says, that was a 3v1 debate.
	Okay.
	Snow Valentine says, we need the most competent person for president that being a woman or man doesn't matter.
	It needs to be the most competent.
	Okay.
	And then Snow Valentine says, that's why I put more emphasis on competent after all Obama blame his failures on being black.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	The Russian guy says, probably.
	What else we got here?
	That's it?
	Alright, so I guess we'll start with inflation, man.
	What are your thoughts on that?
	That was the first topic of discussion.
	Yeah, I thought, like, if you look at her points, again, Trump didn't say much there, right?
	She said she's going to give $6,000 for people to have children.
	Immediately helps the American because you've basically got a birth crisis.
	You've got population collapse happening right now, more so in the white population.
	Therefore, her $6,000 per child, she's literally incentivizing you to have children to stop the birth crisis.
	So immediately that's helping out Americans in a real tangible issue.
	And then if you look at, for example, inflation, inflation has definitely increased under Biden.
	But if you look at it, what's the reason for that?
	The reason is because Donald Trump, as he said, the father of the vaccine, locked down the country.
	What happens with the lockdown?
	You're going to have a financial crisis.
	You're going to have inflation.
	You're going to have increased prices.
	As soon as COVID happened in the United Kingdom, you know what I said?
	I said all of those people who are supporting COVID... When you're living outside car-bound boxes, it's gonna be your own problem.
	And this is what's happening.
	Inflation has increased, but a lot of that is Donald Trump's fault.
	Now, if you look at the economy, The economy under Trump wasn't any better than it was under Obama.
	Obama, the economy was increasing significantly.
	Actually, Obama's second term from the economical perspective was more stronger than even Trump's first term.
	Trump's term was very equal to Obama's first term.
	So again, this idea of like Trump being some savant when it comes to the economy is fake news in my view.
	And the only reason why Biden is suffering is like I said, it's because of actually Obama's policies, Obama, sorry, because of Trump's policies.
	Trump in the last year is obviously the entire US collapsed, UK collapsed, the world collapsed.
	And it was because of COVID and lockdown measures.
	She kept repeating about focusing on the American workforce.
	She kept talking about Americans.
	She kept talking about the working class.
	He didn't talk about them that much.
	He didn't talk about the average American.
	He didn't talk about the working class.
	His only retort I saw was him calling her a Marxist, which again is ridiculous.
	It's like one of these platitudes.
	It's one of these attacks.
	It's not even true.
	She's not a Marxist.
	She's nothing from a communist.
	But again, that's what I saw in terms of from the economic perspective in terms of the arguments they made.
	So, I have a different view on that.
	I think she really focused on, you know, taxing, giving people tax credits.
	She said that she was going to tackle a home shortage, and then she attacked Trump's tax cuts on billionaires.
	And then she also said that she wanted to give family credits, right, the $6,000.
	But I think it's important for everyone to know that that actually was originally like something that JD Vance was talking about.
	And she kind of stole that idea.
	Because once he said, because he originally said, oh, I'm going to give 5,000 tax credits to families.
	I remember vividly.
	When Russia invaded Ukraine, the price of food went up.
	The price of lumber went up.
	Everything went up when Russia invaded Ukraine because that was the first world conflict in a while, like serious world conflict.
	And obviously whenever that happens, things become less stabilized and the price of food goes up.
	I mean, let's not forget that they call Ukraine like the breadbasket of Europe.
	It's getting invaded.
	That's going to have, you know, everlasting domino effect on all world markets.
	And, you know, food prices went up significantly after the Russian invasion.
	And that happened in due to Biden's weak foreign policy where he's not able to keep these people in bay.
	So I would say that, yes, COVID did play a role, but I don't think...
	And I'm not going to even blame the Biden administration or really the Trump administration, because that was like an unforeseen event.
	And honestly, you can't even plan for that.
	Like, locking the world down the way they did.
	I mean, if anything, I think Trump tried to open the country back as quickly as possible, which is why he pushed Operation Warp Speed so hard, pushed the vaccines.
	He tried to get the economy open.
	And one of the things people criticize Trump a lot about is that we were one of the last places to close down.
	I remember Europe, you guys were closed down way before us.
	I remember...
	COVID really started in the beginning of 2020.
	Spain, Italy especially, the old people were dropping like flies in Italy.
	And the world was panicking and stuff.
	And we didn't close down until March, right?
	But the rest of the world was closing down damn near December and January.
	And we were still open up until March.
	That's when we had the widespread lockdowns in the United States.
	So if anything, Trump tried to keep the economy open as long as he could and then tried to get it back up.
	Obviously, the vaccine probably wasn't the way to do it, but we have 2020 hindsight now.
	But I do think that...
	Inflation is a problem that, yes, it started with COVID, but I think the Democrats exacerbated the problem by allowing Russia to invade Ukraine because that had so many different domino effects on food prices, which is the biggest thing, the biggest pocket point.
	Hey, grocery reserve 50%, etc., which is true, and I do think the Democrats have some blame on that.
	And then as far as, like, she talked about home shortages...
	There's been a problem that's been going on for multiple years.
	There's approximately a 5 million home shortage in the United States.
	And she talks about, oh, well, I'm going to go ahead and give a credit where people can get $25,000 towards a home or whatever.
	Well, that's not really going to do anything because me being in a real estate game, I know it's going to happen.
	Everyone is just going to increase the price of their home by $25,000 knowing that.
	And the other thing, too, is that with the home shortages, single family, and she means single family homes by this, three bedroom, two bath, etc.
	The reason why we're short on it is because A lot of the people that are building homes, they're more focused on commercial real estate.
	They're more focused on turning a big profit on them actually sending contractors out to build things.
	So, building a single family home isn't as profitable and the cost of lumber like we discussed before and other products have went up since the conflict with Russia especially.
	Her trying to say that I'm gonna build more homes, I'm trying to build 3 million homes, it's a bullshit thing.
	They're never gonna be able to do it.
	We have a home shortage of around 5 million, and they simply are not gonna be able to get that happening.
	That's, I think, a very false promise, me understanding how the real estate market works.
	Because how the fuck are you gonna incentivize these real estate contractors That build these commercial properties to prioritize building single-family homes when it's not really in their benefit to do so, and they lose money by doing it.
	That's why so many different homes that were being built.
	I mean, hell, right now in Miami, they have a bunch of apartment complexes that they've stopped building, right?
	And these are multi, multi, multi, maybe even a billion dollar plus projects.
	They're stopping those.
	So why are they gonna go and build single-family homes?
	You know, they can't even get their commercial properties done right now.
	Right?
	So, the housing problem that she's talking about, that's just not a feasible thing that she's going to build 3 million homes.
	That's a fucking lie.
	There's no way they're going to be able to do it.
	But that's my take on the inflation part.
	I guess, what's next?
	Abortion.
	Abortion, okay.
	What's your thoughts on the reproductive rights discussion?
	Yeah, I mean, look, this is the perfect topic to talk about when you're Kamala Harris.
	This is her strongest position, yeah.
	I mean, this is her moneymaker.
	100%, 100% because of a number of reasons.
	One is it alienates his actual base and then it also ensures the left or the liberal base votes for her as well.
	So him saying, for example, six weeks is too short, him disavowing Project 2025, him saying that he will not do a national abortion ban immediately alienates both the left and And the right, it puts him in an extremely weak spot.
	And I think that's the reason why they do it.
	And look, this whole argument that Maga makes, oh, guess what?
	He just, he defeated Roan Wade, he sent it back to the States.
	I don't see how that's a win if you're a Conservative.
	Because what you're basically saying is that him himself, from a federal perspective, has not made the decision to save the lives of babies.
	And he's allowed them to be killed because obviously, as a conservative, we do believe that a child is born from day zero.
	So it means anything after day zero is actual murder.
	So it's funny that Trump was calling anything after nine months, I think he called it an assassination, when in reality, according to us, days anything before that is also an assassination.
	And coming back to the point, The issue is this.
	When you're basically sending this to the states, you're delegating responsibility, or as I would say, taking away responsibility.
	You're meant to be the president of the United States, a conservative Republican president.
	You're meant to be put in values which are conservative, but instead you make a decision to send it down to the states.
	What does it mean to send it down to the states?
	Some states are blue states.
	Some states are red states.
	Generally speaking, in the United States of America, you kind of got a mixed bag.
	And what's going to happen?
	The blue states are going to allow the murdering and killing of babies.
	And so therefore, I don't think that's a win.
	That's a loss.
	And so that's why you see his actual conservative religious base moving away from him for this reason.
	And also the liberal base are like, wait a sec.
	He is...
	He's overturned Roan Wade.
	We're also going to move away from because it's actually red states where we're not allowed to have abortion.
	So what he's doing is politically isn't a great decision and morally is a problematic decision.
	So I completely disavow him on the abortion point.
	So, when it comes to this, right, I think it's the proper way to do this, is to delegate it to the states, right?
	Personally, I think it's the proper way to do it when you look at it from a functionality standpoint.
	Hey, the federal government doesn't want to be involved in this.
	We have bigger shit to worry about.
	This is a cultural and personal decision, and the federal government doesn't want to weigh in on this.
	Let's delegate it to the states.
	You guys take it up with your governors if you have an issue.
	The problem with that, though, right, is what I've been noticing is people are able to take him saying, I'm going to move it to the states and kind of run with it however they want to define their political agenda, right?
	So what the Democrats are using it as is, oh, there's a Trump abortion ban, right?
	Because he said, I'm going to move it to the states.
	And they're able to interpret it however they see fit.
	To, I guess, kind of propose it to whichever audience they're talking to, right?
	And though I see the practicality in it, I think it's the right way to move.
	The problem is that we live in a country and we live in a world where It's not the truth that matters.
	It's whoever can articulate a story better that matters.
	And what the Democrats have been able to do, which is they've always been better at this, is market it as Trump is a...
	He doesn't stand for women's reproductive rights.
	He's a bigot.
	He wants to take, you know, women's ability away to have choice.
	Because the thing is, is that he said it right at the top of his debate when he was talking.
	He said, look, I'm a big proponent of giving women the exceptions.
	Incest, sexual assault, and her potentially dying during the birthing process.
	He said that off the top.
	But what were they able to do?
	Oh, his birthing ban, his pregnancy bans or his abortion bans are putting women in precarious situations where they're dying or they have to have a baby.
	And take it to term that they don't want to.
	So the issue with turning it to the states is now it leaves open interpretation for his opponents to paint him in whatever light they want.
	That's the issue here.
	So though it's a good policy on paper, it's terrible optically.
	And I think the Democrats have been able to run with that and really punish Trump on that.
	And they've been able to kind of put him in this light where...
	I mean, I'll give you an example.
	I was on FIU's campus literally the other day, and I was asking girls, who are you going to vote for?
	The girls would say, oh, I'm going to vote for Kamala.
	And when I asked them why, a lot of them came back to this very talking point.
	Reproductive rights.
	And they all really think that Trump is against abortions when he's not.
	So, like what you said, Suleiman, you're right.
	Because since his position is more, he's delegated off...
	His supporter base is like, what the fuck?
	You need to take control of this.
	And then the people that don't like him are saying, oh look, he's pro-abortion.
	So it's kind of put him in a very weird middle ground where it's alienated him from his main base and the liberals that don't like him are going to like him anyway and are going to say that he's pro-abortion.
	So it just, sorry, he's pro, excuse me, he's abortion ban, pro-abortion ban.
	So it's a lose-lose, unfortunately, because he's trying to be in the middle ground here.
	Alright, yeah, and I think, yeah, what's up, what came up next?
	Immigration.
	Yes.
	Immigration.
	What are your thoughts on immigration?
	Yeah, I thought he could have done a lot better because that's one where he is coming in.
	You think abortion is something that Kamala is very much stronger in and immigration is something that Trump is better in.
	And the reason you'd assume he's better is because of the immigration or the illegal immigration crisis that's happened over the last four years that many Americans talk about.
	And yet, when you look at it, he didn't hone in on that as much.
	He didn't talk about the fact that she, he didn't mention it.
	But again, he didn't hone in on the fact that she was in charge of the border.
	She was the border.
	He instead talked about Springfield, about eating cats and dogs.
	And that was something that came out on social media yesterday, was thoroughly debunked.
	And so you knew coming into this, you're going to get embarrassed because what actually happened was it wasn't even people from Haiti doing that.
	And actually, I know not many people are talking about this, but let's talk about this, that why are there problems in Haiti?
	Because there is somebody It's called the BGO family who are what?
	Zionists who have completely ransacked the country.
	They own the only port in the country.
	It's called the Port Lafito.
	They were going to be published in the Panama paper.
	So they've completely destroyed Haiti.
	And that's why you've got a lot of Haitians who are having to come to America.
	So again, the problem goes back to the Zionist control of Haiti and how they proliferate in the country of resources, significant resources.
	And what they've done is use that, the fact that there are people from Haiti coming into the United States and made it into something which is a joke in Cat and Dogs.
	Whereas you could have actually talked about Wait a sec.
	You've got a small town in Springfield, a residence of 60,000 people.
	You then import 20,000 people from a foreign country illegally or even legally.
	Many of them could be criminals.
	It will harm the community.
	It will degrade the community.
	You could have said it in a very cogent manner, but he embarrassed himself.
	Why are you talking about eating cats and dogs?
	So I think he did, he was really ridiculous.
	And if you look at it, many people are literally taking the mick out of him about that.
	He talked about, he said about that he got the most votes.
	That's not a strong argument.
	There's more people in America.
	So of course, I know that he was trying to relate the argument.
	I know later he did make it a bit more cogent.
	But at that point, what was the point he was making?
	Yeah, you had more votes, but that doesn't mean anything because Biden had even more votes.
	Well, his real argument, what he didn't mention at this point was that actually the election was stolen.
	He talked about immigration and then he moved on to crime a bit.
	But again, he needs to talk about crime rate because again, crime rate and illegal immigration are not something that are congruent because actually, according to the data, illegal immigrants commit less crime than legal immigrants and legal immigrants commit less crime than actual Americans.
	People are born in America.
	So again, that's something that, again, he mentioned, but again, it wasn't that strong.
	So what I thought is he did do better in the immigration point, But considering that that was meant to be his slam dunk, I didn't think he did as well.
	Yeah, I agree with you on that.
	He won the immigration talk, but he could have absolutely destroyed her harder.
	He could have attacked her on how she's the one that's in charge, how she never visits the border.
	The Border Patrol Union supports him, but they don't support her.
	I mean, hell, I had a Border Patrol agent on yesterday, dude, and we talked in detail about what's going on.
	And it's fucking crazy what's going on in the border.
	So, though he did win, I think he could have done a lot better.
	You know, and here's the thing.
	Like, he kept bringing everything back to the border during the course of the first...
	And I noticed in the second half he stopped doing that.
	In the first half, though, every single one of his points always came back to immigration.
	What he should have done was stay on the topic, avoid immigration...
	Then when he does go into immigration, absolutely destroy her on every single point because this is where he has her.
	You know what I mean?
	We have a complete border crisis.
	She was the one that's in charge.
	I think if you had brought more attention to her being the border czar, look at the crime, look at the problems that we have with mass migration, he could have absolutely destroyed her on that.
	And then also the other thing I don't like that he did, though I do think he won on this immigration, he didn't Address her trying to say that she tried to pass this bill where she was going to add 1,500 more Border Patrol agents, stop fentanyl, etc.
	She went ahead and said that he stopped the bill that she was trying to push.
	He should have answered and addressed that and stopped her in her tracks.
	But instead, she sneakily did this, by the way.
	She talked about his rallies.
	So she talked about how he didn't...
	How he stopped this bill, and then in the same sentence, pretty much, oh, no one shows up to his rallies, blah, blah.
	So Trump gets very angry anytime people talk about his rallies, and he went ahead and focused on that instead of disputing that claim that he didn't want this bill to get passed.
	He hit the nail on the head there.
	That is just a golden point, because I didn't actually realize that, but she baited him hard there.
	Yeah, she baited him really bad there.
	And here's the thing, she did that because she knew that if she could take away from the immigration conversation, and he speaks more on the rallies versus immigration, It would help her because she knows that immigration is her weak point.
	He's gonna destroy on that.
	So she had to get something to bait him to get him off of the topic of immigration, which is his strong point.
	He should have not fell for it and just address her question and then just hit her on the fucking points of how she's fucking up with the border.
	I still think he won, but he could have done it so much better, man.
	Also on illegal immigration, like not about the debate, but like real question, like where is the evidence that it's worse now than it was under Trump?
	Sorry, worse now than it was under Trump because I've been looking at the data and the data seems to suggest that actually it's been very similar for Trump as it was for Biden.
	The only difference is in the last year of COVID, that's when it decreased.
	But that was because of COVID. I mean, is there real data showing That the situation is much worse under Biden than there is Trump.
	Because I was looking for the data.
	I've been looking for it significantly.
	I didn't find any evidence to suggest that.
	It seems a very biased propaganda, possibly.
	Yeah.
	So here's the thing.
	And this is where they kind of...
	So I could tell you just from working in immigration myself under the Trump administration versus working under Democrats, it was way better with Trump.
	However, the American public is not going to know that.
	So my anecdotal...
	Analysis doesn't fucking matter.
	They need to be better at demonstrating how they're putting a stop to crossings, etc.
	And the other thing, too, which they need to do this more, I don't think they count expedited removals.
	So, when aliens come into the United States, right, and they're caught by Border Patrol under the Trump administration, they would give them something called an expedited removal, which is a quick deportation without two weeks.
	I don't know if that got reported.
	So, if that doesn't get reported, that's going to go ahead and mess with the numbers, right, versus a regular formal deportation.
	So, little things like that mess with the numbers.
	But you're not going to know that unless you're someone that's done immigration like myself before.
	And you understand this stuff from working on the southwest border.
	So the Republicans need to do it.
	The Trump party needs to be better at articulating this and really hammering it home so that the Democrats aren't kind of like putting smoke in mirrors and confusing the audience.
	I agree with that because what you're saying is 100% right.
	This needs to be proven and articulated a lot better because I'll tell you, because you know what it is, a lot of people, maybe your chat as well, a lot of people are just used to hearing one perspective.
	Speaking to a lot of people on the left, both left-wing and liberals, which are different, a lot of them say that this is just right-wing propaganda.
	And they say it's not really happening.
	It's fake news.
	And there is no data to show it.
	And I did look significantly for the data.
	The data shows illegal immigration in totality in the United States.
	And it kind of shows it's been very similar.
	Slight increases here and there and slight drops here and there.
	But in terms of Actual individuals, every year, illegal immigrants come into the United States from 2016 up to now.
	I think, as you said, I agree with you.
	Republicans have not done a good enough job demonstrating that there is actually a crisis.
	Most people think this is fake right-wing propaganda.
	And they should also focus on...
	He should have also hammered in on is how the Democrats hinder law enforcement from doing their job.
	That's the other thing, too, that they should have shown is that, like, you know, Kamala talked about, you know, defunding ICE and how under the Democrats, these sanctuary cities are able to act with impunity and they don't necessarily deport or, you know, honor something called the detainer, these sanctuary cities are able to act with impunity and they don't necessarily deport or, you know, honor something called the detainer, ICE puts a detainer on them and then that means you're supposed to hold that person for ICE to come.
	These agencies don't hold the bodies for them.
	They just let them go because they don't want to align with federal law or be involved in immigration.
	So, like, the Republicans need to do a better job of explaining that, like, you know, it's not just the numbers.
	You need to look at the things that behind it that impact law enforcement's ability to actually conduct and do their jobs.
	And that's what the Democrats always do, is they typically come in and they're Hands off with immigration.
	And then the federal law force agencies, which, by the way, are the only ones that have immigration authority, the state and locals, the state police, sheriff's counties, they don't have any immigration authority.
	The only ones that can do immigration are the feds.
	And immigration is a federal statute.
	So since the feds can't do their job, there's basically nothing keeping, there's no barrier on these illegal aliens.
	So the Republicans really need to hammer this home.
	And unless you're someone like me who's In that world and understands how immigration works, you wouldn't know these little nuanced things that I'm talking about right now.
	So the Republicans need to fucking hash this out and explain to the public how When the Democrats are in, immigration goes crazy, not only because they're able to come in, but because law enforcement's ability to enforce immigration law is heavily reduced.
	So he won.
	I agree with you on that.
	He won, but he could have done so much fucking better because this is his thing.
	Okay, so immigration, what was the next one?
	They talked about...
	January 6th.
	Sorry?
	They went into January 6th.
	Yeah.
	Which I think that was fucked up because that inevitably puts Trump in a defensive position and puts Kamala where she doesn't have to do anything.
	What do you think?
	They said that he was involved in...
	Starting the riots.
	His response to that where he said, hey, I want everyone to be patriotic and peaceful.
	Nancy Pelosi was responsible for the Capitol Police, which is true.
	Then they used the Charlottesville thing, how he said that they're fine people.
	And the bloodbath, you know, I think that was a very biased and fucked up question.
	What's your take on that?
	Should we even count that in?
	Yeah, I mean, look, that was done intentionally to basically remind the American people that Jan 6 happened, remind the American people about Charlottesville.
	And so even though he talked about the BLM riots, I mean, most of the left think that those riots were okay.
	And so in reality, it was intentionally done, as he said.
	So that was, I agree with you, it was an extremely biased question.
	Intentionally done because there's no way he comes out looking well on that.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And I'm glad that I have you here, because you're someone that doesn't even like Trump, but you even acknowledged that was fucked up, that they brought that up.
	Yeah, yeah, it's intentional.
	Look, I do think ABC were biased.
	That is without a doubt, because ABC is definitely on the left.
	Just like if the...
	Now, if the debate was on Fox, it would be biased.
	And that's the reason why Kamala Harris isn't agreeing to go on Fox News.
	So it shows that Trump is willing to go and debate on a channel which is an adversary and is going to be very harsh on him.
	So you have to give him credit for that.
	But yeah, I mean, that's definitely going to happen.
	Alright, so I guess we'll skip the January whole 6th issue, but I just thought that that was really interesting that they even brought that up, which automatically puts Trump in a losing position.
	Because basically what they wanted to do was paint him as an insurrectionist, is what they wanted to do.
	Okay, let's see here.
	Israel!
	Yeah, before that, they talked about the previous elections as well.
	And why I thought it was important was, again, they were quite smart in my view.
	I think it was the moderator who said it.
	I don't even think it was Kamala.
	But it could have been Kamala.
	I can't remember now.
	But what they said was, oh, guess what?
	Because she talked about crime.
	And then she talked about the fact that he's a criminal, right?
	The fact that he's been indicted and the fact that he's been found guilty both on criminal charges.
	And then he's also the civil charge went against him.
	He lost the civil charge as well.
	Now, his response was really good.
	His response was, oh, they're weaponizing the justice system.
	But then their response was, wait a sec, why are you talking about weaponizing the justice system when you yourself said that when you're in charge, you're going to be weaponizing the justice system.
	So I felt like they really got him on that.
	And I think it was the ABC people who got him on that.
	So I think that was something that he was really weak on because he wasn't expecting it.
	Yeah, I knew that at some point they were going to bring up the conviction, the sexual assault, which is a civil case, and that woman didn't even know what rape meant.
	Again, it was another biased attempt by them to try to make them look bad, but that's something that you just got to obviously roll with the punches.
	Then the next topic they talked about was Israel-Palestine.
	You're obviously probably one of the most outspoken people on Twitter on this topic.
	So I'll kind of just defer to you here.
	What was your thoughts on it?
	What did you think on both candidates' opinions on Israel and how they're going to deal with the issue if they were to get into office?
	She dominated on that issue.
	Absolutely dominated.
	And look, I want like your chat because I know it's a bit more right leaning, right?
	Especially like I want you to get out of your like echo chamber.
	Just think about it logically.
	So what it is, is I travel the United States.
	I spoke to many people on the left and liberals.
	And you know what?
	Many of them are going to withhold the vote.
	They said we just cannot vote.
	For this Biden or this administration that is basically partaking in this genocide.
	And so they were withholding the vote.
	You saw in the primaries, not many people vote in the primaries.
	It's significantly less than the main election.
	And yet...
	Many people in key states, in key swing states, withheld their vote.
	I believe in one of the states, I believe in Minneapolis, but I could be wrong, it was almost 20%.
	In Michigan, I believe it was 15 or 20%.
	It was huge proportions of people just showing that, look, we cannot support the Biden administration.
	So you've got all of that vote.
	And actually, in this election, you know what I told you at the beginning of the show, that I said that someone needs to be taught a lesson so that they know that these votes are going to matter.
	And I thought it's going to happen from the left.
	And that's why I supported the actual moving your vote away from the Democrats and making them lose the election so they realize that we can't be so controlled by the AIPAC and by the various lobbies.
	They didn't do that.
	And what's happened is with this debate, what she said is, he was just like, oh, Israel will be destroyed.
	Like Israel, it's all about Israel.
	He did mention the Arabs, but generally speaking, he was like, Israel is going to be destroyed.
	There will be no Israel in two years.
	All of the Axis are terrorists.
	Whereas she basically tried to give a more balanced view.
	She tried to say, oh, I fear for the Palestinians.
	I fear for the Israelis.
	Mahal goes out to the Palestinians.
	Mahal goes out to the Israelis.
	She spoke about both sides.
	So even though she's at fault for the genocide, she is the vice president.
	Despite that being the case, he attacked her.
	He was like, oh, you did not even give Netanyahu respect when the world doesn't even respect Netanyahu.
	So it shows how much he's devoid of reality or He just knows that election is not real and therefore it's going to be rigged for him.
	Because for me, guaranteeing Kamala that vote, that vote that was going to say, we're not going to longer vote for you, the anti-war vote, kind of demonstrates his kind of control that he has and the lack of sovereignty he has over this administration.
	So, on this one, I think they both failed, in my opinion.
	Kamala basically was saying that the war must end, we have to push for a Tuesday solution, and she said that she's going to give Israel whatever they need to defend themselves.
	Trump countered saying that she hates Netanyahu and she hates Israel because she wasn't there when he gave his speech.
	Like you said before, in two to three years Israel will be gone under the Harris administration and that the axes are going to take over.
	And then he also mentioned how when he was in office, Iran didn't have the money and resources that they have now to be able to launch a front against Israel.
	Then KT basically, or Kamala Harris, sorry, counters that she supported Israel her whole career, and she tried to, you know, obviously deflect and say that, you know, Trump admires dictators, and he likes King Jonoon and all this other shit, and then Putin countered, and then he countered with, you know, Putin endorsed Harris.
	So, I think they both lost on the Israeli issue because I think the big problem here is Netanyahu.
	Netanyahu is the biggest issue for Israel, and none of them have the balls to say that he's got to step down, we've got to get him out of here.
	And if she wants to go ahead and have the conversation about a two-state solution, well, we've got to get rid of the guy that is never going to let that two-state solution happen, and that is Netanyahu.
	I mean, he's been caught on tape multiple times talking about how he sabotaged it, how he doesn't actually want to work with the Palestinians.
	He's actually been responsible for funding and supporting Hamas, right?
	Because he needs an enemy there to justify his position.
	I think, if anything, he's trying to rationalize keeping the war going so that he can stay in power because he knows once the war and the conflict is over, he's going to have to deal with the chickens.
	The chickens are going to have to roost, right?
	Because we know he was in the middle of a criminal case right before this conflict occurred on October 7th, and it's like fucking perfect timing for him that he would use that to stay in power longer.
	So I think this was a tie between the two.
	I think both of them don't really have a solution.
	They're kind of just like...
	Who could suck Israel's dick better in this situation?
	And they both, I think, did terrible.
	And didn't really give any real solutions to this situation.
	It's kind of like one of these kick-the-bucket-down-the-road type topics.
	That no one wants to deal with this.
	Because...
	It's just a messy subject because, you know, if you're on a Democrat side, a lot of them tend to be pro-Palestinian.
	So Harris can't really be too pro-Israel, but she also understands that Israel pays her bills.
	So, you know, what's she going to do?
	And then Trump, he could kind of just be full on, yeah, I support Israel because the GOP is controlled by Israel.
	So, yeah, I think they both sucked on this one.
	I wouldn't be able to define a winner on that one.
	Yeah, and one thing to remember, one thing to know is as well, that Kamala's husband is a Jewish Zionist.
	Trump's children are all Jewish Zionists.
	Like this again, so when Trump tries to make this rhetoric, like she hates Israel, she wants Israel.
	This is the most dumbest thing ever.
	Nobody buys it.
	And so it's just embarrassing.
	But yeah, anyway, I know you think it was a draw.
	So I do think she shared it.
	I think, yeah, I think if anything, you know, the thing with Harris is that she's got to be political with it.
	She can't, like, openly support Netanyahu, right?
	Because that's going to look bad to her voter base, who tends to, the left tends to be way more pro-Palestinian.
	So what she does is she supports him in private.
	Like, I know Trump mentioned, oh, well, you weren't even there at his speech.
	Well, she met with him in private after the fact, right?
	So we know that happened.
	And as a matter of fact, I would argue he probably got the green light from Harris to bomb Lebanon and Iran.
	She probably got it from him.
	Because we know Biden was kind of out of commission at that point.
	So she probably got the green light to do the shit that he did after.
	Because remember, he did the bombing campaigns right after coming from the United States.
	There's no doubt they're both controlled by Zionists.
	No doubt she's complicit in the genocide.
	But if you look at it from a voter perspective, she's gained more votes from that than he has.
	That's my main point about winning.
	So there's now going to be a lot of people who, where he's presented her as being just, she's just presented himself as being just full on pro-Israel.
	And he's presented her as being anti-Netanyahu, even though we know it's not the case.
	And then she's give kind of a balanced response.
	I think she's gained a lot more votes.
	Okay, I see what you mean.
	From an optics standpoint, she did better for the American public.
	Me and you both know the truth, but I know what you mean.
	To an impressionable voter that isn't aware of Middle Eastern foreign policy, Optically, you think she looks better?
	Yeah.
	Okay, understandable.
	Alright, Ukraine, Russia.
	What are your thoughts on this?
	I think Trump killed her on this one.
	Yeah, I think Trump did really good on this one.
	This was probably the most decisive victory, in my opinion.
	Yeah, that was decisive, without a doubt.
	The Russia-Ukraine one.
	The best one was, which I didn't expect, was where he was like...
	You all went three days before to negotiate, and immediately after that, the literal Russia invade Ukraine.
	Like, that's how much of a bad negotiate you are.
	I thought that was just...
	You want to reverse there on that one?
	He absolutely destroyed her on that one.
	It was just crazy.
	Like I was like, whoa, gobsmacked.
	Yeah, he destroyed her on that.
	I mean, he was smart in the way he did it because I like not bothered to because I think he won this.
	So at this point, but like what one thing he never ever answers is how he will solve the problem because there's actually no answer.
	She did allude to it.
	She said at the beginning, but then he destroyed it so badly that at the beginning, I thought she's going to win it because she said, look, he's got no answer on how he's going to deal with this issue.
	How he's going to deal with it is by letting Russia, you know, continue to have the annex regions, continue to have Crimea, continue to have Donetsk, continue to have Oblast.
	That's her argument.
	And it's actually a very strong argument.
	But she kind of just said it.
	And I thought when she said it, she's going to win, but then he destroyed her.
	But that's the real question.
	I know he won this.
	But my real question on this is, how is he going to solve it?
	Because first of all, the only way of solving it is actually letting Russia keep it.
	But then the media is going to attack him really badly.
	The mainstream media is going to attack him really badly.
	And previously, he has capitulated to the mainstream media, such as in COVID, such as in lockdowns.
	So I'm just interested in how he's going to sort it out.
	I'm not too confident.
	I'm not saying he won't or will not.
	I actually think he's probably best placed to do so compared to Kamala without a doubt.
	But yeah, he definitely dominated on that.
	I mean, not just dominated, he just destroyed it on You brought up a really good point as far as how is he going to do it.
	I agree with you 100%.
	What he is going to do is he's going to let Russia just keep the territories that they've conquered and just tell Ukraine, lick your wounds.
	And he's probably going to iron out some deal with Russia where, hey, guys, look, this is the borders.
	You guys got this area.
	You can't pass this area, whatever the hell it is, whatever they decide.
	And I think the strength for Trump is he actually does have open line of communication with Putin versus the Biden administration does not.
	And he even asked her, have you talked to Putin at all?
	You guys haven't talked to Putin in two years.
	And Kamala could not answer that question, which I think is a part of the reason why she went over there and then three days later they invaded because she only spoke to one side.
	She didn't even talk...
	To anyone over at the Kremlin.
	So I think that Trump absolutely destroyed her on this situation.
	I agree with you that he doesn't want to disclose how he's going to do it, but I do think what he is going to do is he's just going to let Russia keep what they have and tell Ukraine, deal with it, and then that will end the conflict.
	He can bring them both to the table because he does have an open line of communication with Putin.
	And that's something that he has that the Democratic Party doesn't.
	And I think that's how he was able to avoid Russia invading Ukraine for so long is because he had that relationship with Putin.
	So yeah, he destroyed her.
	I love that he used that in a reverse on her.
	How three days later they literally went in.
	So what else here?
	Anything else you want to add to that before we get to the next topic?
	No, I agree with you.
	I think if there's any chance of that situation ending, that war ending, it's Donald Trump.
	That one, I would definitely give a tick to Donald Trump on.
	I'm not convinced that he'll be able to do that, though.
	That's the only thing, because I just think about how much he's controlled by Trump.
	The military and digital complex now, how the mainstream media will attack him so badly.
	And look, he did capitulate in COVID. I know people are like, oh my God, he was so amazing in COVID. No, he wasn't.
	He locked down.
	UK followed Sue.
	So I blame him for the lockdowns in the UK. And also, if you look at it, he was the father of the vaccine as well.
	And all of that was because of pressure.
	From the media because you could tell initially he was pushing back.
	He didn't believe in it.
	And so that showed that even if he doesn't believe in something, if there's enough media pressure, he will capitulate.
	And so then it comes to your right.
	Logically, we all know from knowing that region, from knowing geopolitics, the best way of ending that is just giving the annexed regions to Russia.
	And that means Ukraine takes back the extra territory that Russia has also taken.
	That's just the way to end it.
	But we know that the pushback is going to be so huge that I'm not confident that it's going to occur, just based on Trump's past.
	Yeah, he's going to have to basically promise no more NATO expansion, give Russia the territories that they have, probably end the sanctions, and that's the only way to do it.
	But yeah, again, optically, that looks terrible.
	And the mainstream media is going to hate that.
	They're going to say he's weak for that.
	But I think, honestly, I think...
	We're in a position now where the Ukraine support is no longer as big as it was.
	No, no, it is though, Myron.
	I was just checking today because that was for your show.
	I didn't look at it today.
	Even now, the data shows that the vast majority of the American public are for Ukraine.
	25% say you guys gave...
	The right amount of money.
	Another 25%, we said, we need to give more.
	And I think I believe like 20% were like, oh, we've given too much.
	And then 30% were like, we're not sure about the issue.
	So the vast majority of Americans are for Ukraine and want to give them more money or give them a loss.
	Which poll was this?
	This is another issue that even though we are logical, we understand we're anti-war, we understand peace, but actually Americans are pro-Ukraine.
	Which poll did this come from?
	Because from what I've seen, it seems to me is that they're not supportive of our enormous amount of funding to Zelenskyy.
	I'll get that for you because I was looking at it before I came on your show because I did think that was going to be the case and hence why you've got such a support for it, especially bipartisan.
	Especially because the media said, I'll have to find it.
	I didn't have it on the tabs.
	But yeah, I did see it.
	It was a 2024 call.
	I agree with you that the mainstream media is going to absolutely try to cook him.
	For doing that, which is why he doesn't want to disclose how he's going to do it.
	And he more relies on, I have open lines with Putin and we're going to end this war.
	And he doesn't talk about how he's going to do it because they're going to destroy him.
	Matter of fact, they asked him this very question on the last debate.
	How are you going to do it?
	And he did not answer the question.
	He just said he would end the war, but he didn't go into detail.
	But I agree with you.
	Me and you both know what he's going to do.
	He just doesn't want...
	Backlash optically for it, but it's the only way.
	You know, most Americans just gotta eat it.
	Hey, look, bro.
	We've spent too much money on Ukraine.
	It's bullshit.
	NATO's gotta stop expanding.
	It is what it is.
	Russia was valid in their invasion, you know, and people don't want to hear that.
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	So, thank you for that, Mo.
	I've got the research for you.
	Oh, sorry.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	Yeah, because we'll finish off Ukraine off what you say and then we'll go to Afghanistan next.
	Yeah, so this is from Pew.
	It's actually from a few.
	So, Lawfare have stated it as well as Pew Research.
	So, actually, I've got the exact figures here.
	So, this is from May.
	So, just from a few months ago.
	And it says 31% of Americans say you're giving too much support to Ukraine.
	And then you've got 25% saying we're giving the right amount and 24% we should have said that we should give even more and then 18% are like we're not bothered.
	So the vast majority of Americans are saying either you're giving the right amount remember you've given 250 billion according to Trump and you've given the right amount and actually 24% are saying that's not enough like a quarter of a billion is not enough we should give more.
	Damn, yeah.
	Yeah, so what, like 50% then are basically saying either enough or give more?
	Yeah, and 31% are saying we've given too much, and then 18% are saying they didn't vote.
	They don't have an opinion, so we don't know.
	Okay, interesting.
	So, Afghanistan is next.
	I think he did well on this.
	I think he was able to, because she tried to say, hey, he's negotiating with terrorists.
	He wanted to bring them to Ken David, who's one of her talking points, blah, blah, blah.
	But I think he did a great una-reverse here, and he said, no, we negotiated with them because I was telling this guy, I think Ahmed is what he's saying, the leader of the Taliban, I know where you live.
	We have your house here.
	I showed the satellite image, because I remember hearing this story before.
	If one more soldier dies, if one soldier's hurt, We're going to blow you into smithereens.
	And there was not one soldier killed.
	So I think he was able to kind of take her, you negotiate with terrorists proposition and spin it and show, yeah, I wasn't negotiating.
	I was fucking letting him know that he had an ultimatum.
	So I think he actually won the Afghanistan topic.
	What's your take on it?
	I thought it was a draw, and I'll explain why.
	Okay.
	That was another one that I thought would be a Trump slam dunk because the way we all view it is Biden, the way he came out of Afghanistan, was horrible.
	Military personnel died.
	They left so much equipment, $85 billion.
	So coming in, I thought this is another slam dunk for Trump if you're going to speak about Afghanistan.
	The fact that she talked about the fact that Trump...
	Failed to make a deal because I always thought Trump made the deal and then Biden just implemented it later.
	But what Trump admitted is actually the negotiate...
	Or was it Trump or her?
	They both agreed on it anyway, that the negotiations broke down and there was no deal.
	And it was actually Biden who got America out of Afghanistan.
	If Biden did, that is huge.
	That it was actually Biden.
	I knew Biden did it physically, but I always thought it was Trump's plan that he implemented.
	But what this debate showed is actually it was Biden's plan and Biden got...
	America out of Afghanistan, which is both huge financially, the amount of money that it saves.
	I forgot the figure that she said, but it was a huge figure.
	It was like 100 million a day or something like that, or 300 million a day, something.
	Exactly.
	So that's much more bigger than the 85 billion in equipment.
	So she has overall saved the United States a huge amount of money.
	They were terrible in terms of getting out.
	She gave him a chance to say that story, which was a bit dumb because she's talking about him bypassing.
	That was a A fundamental error in our point because I've heard that story from Trump.
	So I knew that as soon as she said that, that's what Trump's gonna say.
	So that's why I said it's even because he kind of faulted because now we know it was actually Biden who got him out and she faulted because she gave him the Abdul story.
	Okay.
	Alright, I think he edged her on that one because the way they got out was so fucking bad that even him getting out and saving that money was just a terrible way to go out.
	We lost a lot of classified equipment, etc.
	But I could see your perspective as well.
	Okay, I guess next was healthcare.
	Yeah.
	I mean, race will skip.
	I thought the race was put in there to, again, give her an easy win and to turn again the minority public against him and missing a lot of the public in the left.
	Yeah.
	So that was put in there.
	But yeah, in terms of Obamacare, in terms of, yeah, I thought he, she won significantly.
	I thought she gave a very, very good reason for why she believes in the importance of Obamacare.
	She talked about the fact that She does believe in private healthcare now as well, even though she made comments in the past that were different.
	When they asked him for his plan, he was like, I've got no plan.
	I'll think about it.
	I'll think about it.
	It's like nine years you've talked negatively about Obamacare and then you've not really got a plan.
	An average American, an average human would think that it's important to help people out in healthcare.
	Like healthcare should be available to people.
	That's one of my beliefs.
	That's one of my positions that's definitely on the left is that, look...
	I don't care if you're rich or poor, like a poor person should have access to healthcare just because of like the postcode lottery doesn't mean that you shouldn't have access.
	So that is something that not only do I believe in, I think she won considerably and significantly on it.
	He had no plan.
	He had no idea.
	He had no position.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	She did win on that one.
	And the reason why she won on that one, it was very obvious that Trump was disheveled when that question was brought up.
	He didn't really have a counter for it.
	I mean, he said, I have concepts and ideas, but he didn't have an actual plan.
	And all Kamala said basically is like, yeah, I'm doing X. She won, but he could have won too.
	She won only because she had an answer versus he didn't.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's something that he could have absolutely easily beat her on because he could have been like, oh yeah, she's lazy.
	She's using what's already in place.
	She doesn't have a plan.
	And if he had just been able to outline his plan, even if it's not optimal, right?
	He could have taken a page out of the Democrats book and sold the dream there.
	He really could've, right?
	Because that's what she's been doing all the time.
	I'm gonna build three million homes.
	I'm gonna do X, Y, Z. Like, he could've went ahead and just sold a dream, right?
	I'm not saying, oh, yeah, yeah, lied to the American public, but dammit, dude, like, you could've had something in place because when they pressed him on it, they asked him twice, he was like, I have concepts and procedures and blah, blah, blah.
	But he didn't have an actual solid plan on how he would deal with it besides saying, Obamacare sucks, it's too expensive, but he didn't give a counter, which I think he could've easily fucking done, but they caught him off guard with that one because, again, They didn't tell the candidates what things were going to be.
	I find it interesting now that we're kind of going through this and we're rehashing the topics that they talked about.
	They didn't talk about the LGBT community.
	They didn't talk about the Department of Education.
	They didn't talk about how they have that stuff in the schools.
	And I think ABC purposely did that because Trump would have smacked her on these social issues.
	With, you know, rainbow flags and all other stuff.
	They, you know, went on to healthcare, you know, but then they want to ask about, you know, him claiming that she's not black in January 6th, right?
	Which I think was very poor on ABC to do, because that's unbiased.
	Next is climate change.
	Just on that though, before we go on that, they did have one comment on that.
	I know they didn't really talk about the topic, But because they mentioned it, I still think she won on it.
	I want to hear your thoughts, because this is one of your things that you're very much into, is guns.
	I know you had a response, but Trump didn't have a response, right?
	I heard you, because I was listening, because I heard you make a comment about automatic weapons, I believe you said.
	But he didn't.
	So she said, he said, oh, you want to ban guns.
	And she was like, that's not true.
	I'm for guns.
	And so is my VP. And that was the end of it.
	And he gave no pushback.
	So again, it looked like one of the things about guns, one of the talking points that Republicans have was destroyed by Kamala.
	It was actually you.
	You mentioned it.
	I heard you saying it on the, when we were doing the commentary.
	You said it, but he didn't say it.
	That demonstrates to me that again, that point she won.
	And you agree.
	And what's your thoughts on that?
	Yeah, he should have pushed back on the guns thing because she says that I'm a gun owner, blah, blah, blah.
	No, she has supported banning automatic weapons, banning assault rifles.
	She has supported police officers not being in schools.
	Right, which we just had the shooting in Georgia, which if there weren't police officers there, more kids would have gotten killed.
	Those police officers were able to get, were on scene already, and they were able to get the shooter to surrender quickly, and they didn't kill him.
	So it worked out, you know, in the best scenario, in a horrible situation.
	He should have attacked her on that.
	Like, he could have totally fucked her up on that.
	Right?
	Now me, knowing Trump's policies and knowing what she said, I was able to come to a logically sound conclusion and be like, this woman's full of it, like she's not pro-gun at all.
	But the American public might not know that.
	Right?
	So again, it's kind of like the immigration situation.
	I know she's a bullshitter when it comes to immigration.
	She don't know what she's talking about because I know what's in place when Democrats are in and what's in place when Republicans come in.
	But the American public doesn't know this stuff.
	So he should have pushed back on that and said, no, you want to ban automatic weapons.
	You're not pro-gun.
	You even supported, you know, people.
	Giving their guns to the government, something similar to what Australia did.
	You are against police officers being at schools.
	He should have totally fucking shit on her there, and he didn't.
	Again, you're correct.
	That was an opportunity for a slam dunk because she lied and said, oh no, I'm pro-gun.
	Yeah, you might be pro-handgun, bitch, but you're not pro-gun for real.
	So you admit he flopped on that, though?
	He did flop on that.
	He could have absolutely hooked her on that.
	Now, with that said, I know he has way better gun policies, but that's me.
	And that's not good.
	He could have articulated that better for the American public.
	But no, good point there.
	Climate change.
	What do you think?
	Sorry.
	No, I mean, climate change, what do you think?
	I think this was a waste of time, personally, but what do you think?
	Yeah, look, I don't believe in the climate change hoax, right?
	So, again, but Trump didn't, like, look, they used to call it, like, global warming, and then they realized that Earth's not warming.
	So, look, I've written about, I wrote about this, like, 10 years ago, as I did, like, population collapse.
	I don't believe in climate change.
	I think this is just, like...
	The same scientists who basically did the propaganda about nuclear winter in the 70s are the same people who were doing this about climate change.
	I did write about this about maybe 15 years ago, actually.
	So I don't want to go too much into climate change unless you ever want to.
	But it is like, I don't believe in it.
	So the point was they asked it on purpose because, again, they want to prepare...
	They want to present Trump as this kind of, like, conspiracy theory guy because when you say that you don't believe in climate change, automatically people do believe that it's conspiracy theory, even in academia.
	Like, my background is academia.
	I went to many conferences where I presented papers, right?
	And, like, someone was presenting a paper on, like, climate change, and I was like, bruv.
	And then I just put...
	And this is, like, someone whose expertise is in climate change.
	My expertise is not in climate change.
	My expertise is in philosophy.
	But he was presenting a paper on climate change and I literally pushed back on him significantly and they found it as like a conspiracy theory but they couldn't handle the questions which pushed back on it in terms of from a scientific perspective.
	Now why I say that is because The people, American public, as well as British public, as well as academia, do believe that it's actually a conspiracy theory to push back on climate change because the climate is changing.
	But what they're claiming isn't the reason why climate is changing.
	That's where the misnomer is.
	And that's where the misnomer is.
	Because they think that the climate is changing because of our actions and the impact we're having on the environment.
	Now, there are certain environmental impacts we're having, but not in a kind of global warming climate change perspective.
	Obviously, Trump probably won't know that.
	So they did that to basically, again, attack him.
	A bit like the race question.
	A bit like the other question they did.
	There was another...
	January 6th.
	January 6th one.
	They did that on purpose to get him because then she...
	When it came to her, she didn't even talk about climate change.
	She's not going to talk about it because the science isn't strong.
	But she then talked about manufacturing jobs.
	How she brought manufacturing jobs into it.
	And then he claimed that they lost manufacturing jobs in the last year.
	So I think on that one, it was pretty even, to be honest.
	Yeah, this discussion quickly devolved from climate change right into manufacturing jobs.
	I agree with you.
	Because I think both parties understand, you know, climate change.
	Here's the thing with climate change.
	It exists.
	It's real.
	But it isn't pertinent.
	And I think that's the most important thing for people to realize.
	When people say it's a hoax, that's kind of like an oversimplification of this problem.
	It exists.
	Water levels are rising.
	Yes, we do understand.
	Glaciers are melting.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	But is it really creating significant global detriment where we're all going to fucking die?
	No.
	We have way more fucking pressing issues like hungry children, wars, etc.
	It's at the bottom of the list and the fact that they even brought this up in the debate is comical.
	Someone like you that would be a little bit more left, obviously you're a sensible person on the left because a lot of people on the left would actually disagree with you and fight you on this and say you're just a conspiracy theorist because anyone that looks at climate change as a joke is automatically labeled a conspiracy theorist.
	But I just don't think it's important and pertinent.
	But yeah, this quickly turned into a manufacturing job, right?
	She said that she created 800,000 jobs investing in clean energy.
	They invested $3 trillion on this, and she said that she was opening factories.
	Trump countered saying that they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this month alone, and he went ahead and claimed that they outsourced some of these manufacturing jobs to China and Mexico.
	I guess you could say split down the middle because this is kind of a topic that I don't even think this should have been asked.
	They should have focused more on American industry so that we can have a more concise and focused conversation on that versus climate change.
	But it's fucking ABC, so what do you expect?
	This is like when they talked about black colleges on the last debate with Biden.
	This doesn't matter.
	This is stupid.
	But yeah, I think this one was split down the middle.
	I think this was a tie.
	What do you think?
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree.
	I think it was a tie.
	And just to give you my position on climate change, I not only don't think it's a pertinent issue, I don't think it's a real issue because my point is this, that if you look at history, if you look at the last 200 or 300 years where we've basically got recorded weather changes and climate changes and so on and so forth, There's a natural occurrence that occurs.
	And so even though, yes, there is certain areas that are warming, but again, if you look at it, this naturally occurs.
	So if you look at it a thousand years ago, we had natural, naturally the earth became warmer, naturally the earth became cooler.
	And so I don't think, my whole argument is actually that this whole climate change isn't real because they're trying to make it look like it's because of our output.
	Now, industrialization does have some impact, but what they're claiming is definitely not happening.
	So I'm actually trying to say it's a hoax.
	Gotcha.
	Okay, so you actually fully believe that human industrialization, fossil fuels, etc., have nothing to do with the warming, and you're saying that's a natural byproduct that's been going on for hundreds of years, thousands of years.
	For millennia, yeah.
	For millennia.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Yeah, I mean, for me, I look at it like it's occurring, but it's not pertinent.
	You know what I mean?
	And yeah, I would probably agree with you on the fact that we don't have as much impact on it as we try to say.
	Because at the end of the day, what?
	Human beings inhabit how much percentage of the land mass?
	A small percentage.
	The overwhelming majority is still natural.
	Humans don't inhabit this significant amount of land where we're able to create such a crazy impact.
	At the end of the day.
	Like, most land is completely uninhabited and completely natural.
	So, I don't know.
	Now, I'm not saying we don't have impact on the earth.
	Like, for example, when we're throwing away, like, plastics and these type of things.
	Of course, they cause cancer and these type of things.
	That's a separate point because people try to conflate all these issues.
	Yes, they're different.
	Yeah, I agree with you on that, too.
	Yeah, but when it comes to, like, us using fossil fuels and affecting the world, like, yeah, fuck out of here.
	That's bullshit.
	Okay, now we get to the conclusions.
	I think he destroyed her on the closing statements.
	I think the strongest point that he made was like, look, she's in now.
	She's in power now.
	The country is obvious.
	We can all agree that the country is in a very bad position right now.
	And Who do you have to blame?
	Well, she's in.
	And I think that in itself is a very strong argument.
	We can make the argument that the economy was in a better position when Trump was in.
	So I think off of that alone, I think he made a much stronger conclusionary argument.
	What are your thoughts?
	Yeah, I thought she did better in the conclusion.
	And I'll try and explain why.
	Oh, you think she did better or badder, you said?
	Sorry, she did better.
	And the reason she did better was because of this.
	That if you look at her message at the end, it was, I'm bringing the country together.
	I'm going to bring people of all variety of ideas and thoughts together.
	This kind of uniting thing.
	This is the kind of claim that Biden made, although we knew he was lying about it.
	He never did that.
	But that's what actually won him the election.
	If you remember very close to the election...
	All the narrative that all of the mainstream media in the United States and all the channels, I used to watch it regularly, was, he's a uniter, Trump's a divider.
	He's a uniter, Trump's a divider.
	And that message became, and people said, we want a united country.
	And that's why people voted for Biden.
	Now, what happened this time was, after the shooting, someone gave Trump some terrible advice, which was that you need to be the uniter.
	So he's not saying, I'm going to unite the country.
	And Susie Wills, I think is her fucking name.
	Susie Wiles, yeah.
	Wiles, yeah.
	His campaign managers.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They gave him horrible, horrible advice.
	And he didn't even talk about his assassination attempt, which should have been used about how they're trying to take him out.
	He mentioned it in one sentence like, I got shot in the head, and he didn't go deeper.
	Exactly.
	That was on today's one.
	But generally speaking, throughout, since this happened, they've not really talked about it that much.
	And...
	People don't see Trump as that, because today he attacked the media a bit as well.
	Whereas she said, I'm a uniter, I'm bringing people together.
	So he's trying to use her message, but they already own that message.
	So by relaying that message, which people now think that that failure was on Biden, not her anymore.
	I think the entire conclusion ended up being in her favor.
	Whereas his message should have been like, look, They tried to kill me.
	They tried to assassinate me.
	Because I'm better for you.
	They control things.
	That type of stuff.
	If he gave that kind of conclusion, then I would have said he's won.
	But his conclusion, I think, wasn't that...
	She's been in power for three and a half years.
	But we know the VP has no power whatsoever.
	He has actually been in power four years.
	And they believe that he divided the country.
	And so, therefore, I do think if you look at the conclusion that she did, she did a lot better.
	You think so?
	Okay.
	I guess, yeah, I think he did a lot better because she's in and he could have went harder.
	Like, hey, look, she's in right now.
	She's the vice president.
	Biden isn't even fucking doing anything right now.
	Who's running this country?
	We haven't seen him in weeks.
	He did allude to that a little bit.
	He could have kind of brought that in together how he's not around.
	She's the vice president, strongest in the country, etc., and kind of really hit it home there.
	But I do think he did better on the conclusion than she did, because at the end of the day, we all agree that the economy isn't in a good place, and we have problems, and who's in office?
	It's her.
	And he could definitely, I think that's what made it very strong.
	But what do we got here?
	I think that was mostly all the topics.
	Overall, what do you think, Suleiman, with the debate and everything else?
	Do you think we need a second one to hash some shit out?
	If I was Kamala, I wouldn't do a second one because I think she caught Trump where he thought it's going to be easy and she dominated him.
	Next time, he's going to be a lot more prepared, a lot more better.
	I can't see Trump losing again.
	And so for that reason, I don't think it was a smart idea for her to go ask for it.
	But I think that was a campaign strategy and a very smart strategy.
	So if I was part of a campaign, I would have done that.
	I would have said, say, you're going to do it again to say that, look, this guy, like, listen, it's more of a like alpha kind of dominating leadership personality to say, look, I smashed you and I'll smash you again.
	So it came from a position of strength.
	So I think that was smart.
	But in terms of Trump, he should definitely want to try and debate again.
	You think she's bluffing?
	She doesn't really want to do another one, right?
	I think if she does, then that's very bad advice.
	So I don't think she's bluffing.
	Yeah, I see her position like that.
	She's doing a kind of show like, hey, I'm not scared of you.
	We can do this again.
	But yeah, I think she's bluffing as well.
	I think she's bluffing.
	And I think Trump knew he lost, hence why.
	Come on, what we saw at the end, we weren't expecting it.
	He goes around, look at the polls, look at the polls, I wonder the polls.
	And then actually people are taking their makeup, just looking at it, like his polls are from like Truth Social.
	At least one of them are possibly two other Twitter polls and actually Polymarket, which is actually owned or controlled by JD Vance.
	JD Vance, sorry, not JD Vance.
	Peter Thiel.
	And Peter Thiel basically put J.D. Vance in place.
	He's the one who made Trump take J.D. Vance as a VFP. Even they're saying that Kamala won.
	Yeah.
	I think, now that we've kind of gone through the points and hashed it out, I think Trump edged her, but by the skin of his fucking teeth, bro.
	Like, I think he did edge her.
	Like, I think he did win, but not decisively enough, man.
	Not enough where people are gonna go to the polls and say, yep, my mind has changed.
	I think the people that were gonna vote for Kamala...
	They're gonna still vote for her.
	I don't think he brought anybody over from the left.
	And I think the people that were gonna vote for Trump are still gonna vote for him.
	We have not converted any independent voters with this debate.
	I think he won, but he didn't convert anybody, in my opinion.
	Do you think Kamala converted anybody?
	That's a damn good question.
	I would say, if anything, she might have converted more people than Trump converted.
	Yeah.
	I think if you're someone in the middle, right, and you're not aware of certain things, she probably did a better job of smoking mirrors to convert you and bring her to her side than Trump did.
	Because some of these topics like we discussed before, immigration, guns, things that he should have absolutely slam dunked on her with, he didn't.
	He beat her, but he didn't destroy her.
	And to bring in somebody that is in the middle, a lot of the times, you have to decisively destroy them, right?
	So I think...
	I think the people that already have their opinions are going to stick with their opinions.
	If you're a Democrat, you're not coming over to Trump after this.
	And if you're a Trump supporter, you're not going over to Kamala.
	If you're in the middle, I think more of those people are probably going to go towards Kamala than to Trump because Trump didn't fucking explain the stuff as well as he should have.
	Hell, J.D. Vance explained some of the stuff better when he sat down with Hannity just now.
	And this is where sometimes it's very important to be a better speaker because you're able to articulate your points and the person that articulates their points better a lot of the times is able to get the support even though their points aren't better.
	In this situation here, like for example with the guns, the immigration, Russia-Ukraine, Afghanistan, these are all things that Trump is superior to her in but he barely won those points when it should have been a clear fucking decisive victory on all of them.
	And that's for me, having back knowledge, knowing where she really stands and where he really stands on this stuff after watching them both speak on this.
	But to someone else, right?
	The average American isn't that politically savvy.
	They don't have time to sit there and analyze the news and then look at the contrary news and then look at Twitter, etc.
	They're just going to go off with this debate, right?
	Let's be honest.
	The average American is going to sit down, watch this debate, and not have a fucking clue where either of them stand.
	And for someone like that, they might lean towards Kamala.
	Unfortunately.
	But doesn't that mean, from your perspective, that Kamala won the debate because she's won more votes?
	Um...
	I don't think so because I think right now Trump has more overall supporters at this point.
	I think the polling has kind of shown that, that he's kind of, as Kamala has been ducking the press, ducking interviews, ducking adversarial news stations, she's lost support.
	Trump's gained that support.
	But now with this debate, people that were in the middle might lean a little bit more towards her, but I don't think it's significant to kind of close on those numbers that Trump gained in the past few weeks from Kamala running from the media.
	Because I think this is actually the first time her feet have been held to the fire.
	She did well.
	Yeah, so she didn't do terrible for having her feet held to the fire.
	But I will say this, this debate might embolden her to go on a Fox News, to sit down with a Sean Hannity maybe.
	And that'll be good because they'll be able to really cook her on some things.
	I don't think she will.
	If I was her campaign advisor, I wouldn't let her.
	Okay, so you still think she's not going to do it?
	No, no, I don't think she will.
	I think this was such a decisive victory.
	And remember, Trump is really good at debating.
	You have to remember that.
	I don't remember Trump losing a debate.
	He's won every debate quite convincingly, both in his 2016 primaries, his 2016 presidential debates, his 2020 presidential debates, And then his 2024...
	And remember, in the 2021, both the left and the right were attacking him in the debates.
	Even the Fox News, Megyn Kelly, I remember attacking him even in the debates.
	And he still destroyed Biden in the debate.
	And then this year, he destroyed Biden in the debate.
	So this is the first time I've seen him lose.
	Okay, alright.
	I think he won.
	I just don't think he won decisively enough.
	I think a second debate would be good.
	But I totally...
	If Kamala declines, I would see why she would decline.
	Because it's so goddamn close that someone that isn't aware can definitely be like, oh yeah.
	Do you think she decisively beat him?
	What do you think?
	If you were to give it a percentage, do you think she decisively beat him or she just edged him?
	What do you think?
	I think it was like 70-30.
	Oh, wow.
	So you think she completely destroyed him?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think she dominated him.
	I really believe that she won.
	So, you know, immediately after the debate, if you asked me, I would have said like 60, 40, 55, 45.
	But when I heard all the Fox News guys breaking it down even more, and I realized that actually Trump did really badly.
	Like, these guys are now giving answers that he should have gave.
	Then it made it even more.
	So I went from 60, 40 to 70, 30.
	After that, I was like, actually, no, this is a lot more convincing than I thought.
	Gotcha, because you saw J.D. Vance bring up some better talking points than Marco Rubio, etc., and Sean Hannity, right?
	Yeah, that's right.
	Interesting, okay.
	Shit, man.
	But yo, I think that was a pretty good debate breakdown.
	Sulema, where can the people find...
	Or no, do we got chats?
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	So Suleman, where can people find you, brother?
	Yeah, people can find me on Twitter.
	And I just want to make one final point on Twitter.
	It's S-H-A-Y-K-H-S-U-L-K-Y-M-A-N. We should do a space on this, bro.
	You want to do a space?
	I said we should do a Twitter space on this as well.
	Yeah, sure.
	We can.
	We can.
	I don't mind.
	Yeah, make one right after the stream and then I'm going to go to the gym, but I'll listen in and I'll chime in and stuff like that.
	Make one and I'll jump in.
	I could help you co-host if you want.
	Yeah, yeah, cool.
	Sounds good.
	I'll need someone to help as well because I'm a bit tired.
	But in terms of what it is, Leah, you can find me on that.
	But one last point I wanted to make was...
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Because I know you support Trump.
	Look, my position is this.
	I don't support Harris.
	I just think that for the betterment of society, people need to realise that this kind of control that the certain lobbies have over both parties, that we are going to say no to it.
	And by demonstrating a loss...
	To someone like Trump going against, first of all, being controlled by those lobbies and going against his ideas of his base is a way of letting him know that.
	So I agree with that.
	But just think how bad it is that some of us, such as myself, such as Nick, many others are like, you know, withhold the vote because...
	And it's basically the person Trump is going up against is literally a woman who is literally a Sunghee.
	She's like...
	It's just crazy that we are in this situation right now where there isn't a real choice.
	Yeah, I think Trump is the way better candidate.
	I like Trump.
	Obviously, you know, the whole AIPAC situation is a fucking problem that we need to deal with.
	But I think right now for the situation that we're in, he's gonna be way better from a war and foreign policy perspective than Kamala.
	And I honestly do think that's one of the most important issues that a lot of Americans aren't paying attention to.
	Because if we go to war again, your milk and your bread is going to go even higher.
	But anyway, guys, that will do it for today's episode of Fresh and Fit.
	Obviously, we had a debate special.
	We're going to go ahead and probably have a Twitter space after this, so make sure to...
	I'm going to go in on my Fresh and Fit pod account.
	Suleiman's Twitter...
	We could drop the link here in the chat for you guys.
	Can we drop his Twitter link in the chat for them?
	Yeah.
	It's Sheikh Suleiman on X, guys.
	He has one of the biggest accounts.
	I think like almost half a million followers or something like that.
	Maybe more at this point.
	So yeah, make sure to go on there.
	We'll have a Twitter space.
	We'll talk about this some more.
	And yeah, it'll be a good time.
	Suleiman, I'll give you the last word, bro.
	No, no, thanks for having me.
	I think it was good.
	It was good on Rumble.
	I think we were the only ones who had like two different perspectives.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Everybody else is just a fucking echo chamber, right?
	Like, oh, Kamala's stupid, blah, blah, blah.
	So I think here we're able to have a real conversation.
	Guys, I brought someone that's sensible on the left and we kind of have a discussion on this.
	You know, I think Trump edged it.
	He thinks Kamala dominated.
	But we'll see what happens, you know, with the polling and everything else from there.
	And jump on Twitter, guys.
	We'll have a little Twitter space after this where we can kind of have a powwow with the rest of you guys and you guys want to maybe voice your whatever, your opinions.
	Catch you guys on the next one.
	Tomorrow we got Dave Smith coming in and then we got After Hours with some girls.
	So it's going to be a good discussion.
	It's going to be on September 11th.
	So we're going to talk about a bunch of stuff.
	Candice Owens, The Debate, 9-11.
	We're going to talk about a bunch of stuff, man.
	So tomorrow, Dave Smith, 7.30 p.m.
	Love you guys.
	Follow Silliman on Twitter.
	Peace.

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