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Jan. 8, 2024 - Fresh & Fit

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RP Thor On How To Make 6 Figures As A Blue Collar Worker

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	What's up guys?
	Welcome to Fresh Up Podcast, man.
	It's Money Monday.
	We're going to be talking about the trades and how to make six figures with blue-collar work.
	Let's get into it, guys.
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	But anyway, guys, we got a very important episode today.
	We got Thor in the house, man.
	And Thor is an older gentleman, been around, very durable guy.
	We're going to talk about that in a little bit.
	And he's probably one of the best people when it comes to giving young men advice on trades in different types of fields and disciplines.
	You guys have been asking for this one, man.
	So for all you guys out there that want to find an alternative method between going to college or whatever...
	This is a very viable route where you can make quite a bit of money.
	I think there's quite a bit of skepticism and rumors.
	Oh yeah, you can't make that much money doing blue collar work.
	That's a lie.
	And we're going to talk about that here in detail with a bunch of different trades.
	But before we do that, Thor, welcome to the show.
	We know who you are.
	The people might not.
	Can you please introduce yourself to the people?
	Well, thank you for having me back, man.
	It's been a couple years, and I appreciate coming on and talking with you guys.
	My name is Thor.
	It really is my name.
	I was born with that name.
	I don't have a pseudonym, so let's get started there.
	I'm 61, soon to be 62-year-old man that's been in the power line trades for 39 years, working with high-voltage power lines.
	Flying on helicopters, bare-handing 500,000 volts in a steel suit from helicopters, things like that.
	I'm the guy that comes out with a crew and puts poles back up after a hurricane, particularly there in Florida.
	When all the power lines fall down, guys like me come back and put the power back up.
	We're always in demand.
	So that's a little bit about my trade.
	Now, when I was in this trade back in 1991, I did get burned by 12,000 volts.
	We can talk about that later.
	There is risk with this trade.
	I met Myron a few years ago, and we worked together for a little while, and it was a real pleasure coaching and mentoring young men, and it's still very satisfying to me to this day.
	No, and we're happy to have you, man, so that you can impart your wisdom on the people, because the thing is that you're still involved in that trade to this day, right?
	Absolutely.
	I still maintain work today.
	Now, I'm not out there flying or climbing the towers or the poles, but I am working with quality control on the invoicing for several hundreds of men that are doing that construction now, and so I'm kind of in the twilight of my career.
	But I'm helping them.
	And I spent a couple years actually training these young men as apprentices.
	And that's really where I got the real taste to help young men achieve their goals.
	It's satisfying.
	They're like all my misbegotten sons.
	And when I see them do well in the trade, it brings joy to me and fulfillment.
	And it's a way that I can cast a little piece of my legacy into the future.
	So that's why I do it.
	I don't do it for the money.
	But that's also why I do the coaching today and the podcasting is kind of reach out and reclaim some of that.
	Yeah, and I just want to make the audience very well aware that you're very successful, done very well for yourself.
	You're also an entrepreneur, and you really don't have to be doing this, but you really enjoy helping people out because you've already made your money.
	You did it a long time ago, but you enjoy giving back to the youth, helping guys find another way to make money, earn a living, an honest living, where you can make quite a bit of money as well doing it.
	I think, especially with these Gen Zers, they asked young men, hey, what's the job that you want to do?
	And everyone answered, influencer.
	And that's actually a problem, because the reality is, not everyone has the charisma, not everyone has the ability, maybe not everyone has the resources, etc., to blow up on the internet.
	And the whole purpose of...
	Being a big celebrity or on the internet or whatever it may be is because not many people can do it.
	So most people won't.
	So people need a more viable way to earn an income and get a skill set that will actually be able to allow them to get into something.
	And then, hey, like I said before, you can get into this trade, make some money, and then start a side business or whatever.
	And you've been able to do that yourself.
	I can tell you a little bit about that.
	When you get into a skilled trade like this or a craftsman trade, if you're frugal with your money, you can really leverage that.
	I know we all talk about side hustles today, but I'll just describe how I got started on that and how that made me into a very secure position where I'm at now.
	You know, in 1991, I made a mistake.
	I got burned by 12,000 volts.
	I don't know if you can see, but see the scars I carry to this day?
	And I thought I had lost my trade.
	I'd already been a journeyman for several years.
	Fortunately, through modern reconstructive surge, I was able to come back fully with very small, you know, inconveniences today.
	But I trained myself on how to do websites, and I taught myself how to draw pictures.
	And I leveraged that into an online retail business for power linemen and ran that business for a long time.
	But I also saved money from being a power lineman, working overtime.
	When we work overtime, we get paid double time.
	Took that money and I also bought Well, let's just say half a dozen houses and paid them off and went into real estate as well over the course of the next 15 years.
	So with those two businesses in place, I was also able to leverage that into certain investments, which I see that Myron's along the same journey now.
	So it's smart to do things like that because if you have issues Later in life, you never know what's going to happen to take something away.
	At least I always have this skilled trade to fall back on in some capacities, whether it's consulting, training, or actually doing the labor.
	Okay.
	That's smart.
	So let's start first with your current trade and your expertise, which is a power lineman.
	For the audience that might not know, can you describe what a power lineman is, job duties, and how you get into that field and what they could expect to earn per year?
	Sure.
	So power linemen is an offshoot of the electrical trades.
	It's the oldest of the electrical trades.
	It was formed in the late 1800s when electricity was built, and they started with the electric light bulb, and they wanted to put power everywhere to get electric lights.
	It was very dangerous at the time.
	It's the reason that the electrical unions were formed before there was any electrical unions, because one in two linemen would be killed on the job by the time he was 30 years old.
	And that statistic had sustained all the way into just before World War II. So it was a tough go at it back then.
	The unions formed, we got safer, we understood electricity more, and we were able to build these lines and get power everywhere.
	You have to know some carpentry.
	You have to know mathematics.
	You have to understand how electricity at least works when it's being transmitted and distributed.
	You also have to have some social skills because you're going to work on crews where guys' lives are in your Your hands.
	So you also have to have some EMT skills because it's still a rather high injury rate.
	There's only 121,000 power linemen in the U.S. and Canada right now.
	Oh, wow.
	And because the injury rate, you know, we do have defibrillators, we have the EMT training, and our injury rate is higher than police and fire combined, and they outnumber us by only 61.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Wow.
	The only trades that are a little bit more dangerous is logging, deep sea mix of gas divers and welders and those crab fishermen.
	Those are more dangerous than even military jobs.
	So it's interesting to note that it's that dangerous, but power linemen are rather ubiquitous because we just get the power delivered.
	And you don't really think about us until you need the power.
	And they can pay us anything to come put it up.
	And that's a fact.
	What's the average salary for a beginning linesman, you would say?
	Okay, so let's talk about that because it's different.
	I had ZipRecruiter up, so it's different in each state.
	But let's just take a look at the coasts.
	Out here on the West Coast, the starting annual salary for a journeyman power line is $122,000 annually.
	Okay.
	So you're going to start with about 60% of that if you enter one of the four-year apprenticeship programs.
	But what you don't get in there is that we're short power linemen right now.
	And so most linemen work 10 to 12 hours a day, and they work weekends too.
	Nearly all of the working crew members that I'm aware of out here in California, they make about $88.21 an hour.
	When they work overtime, it's all double time.
	So that puts it right around $162 an hour.
	And so $200,000 to $300,000 is relatively easy to do here in California.
	I don't know what it is on the East Coast, but they have similar pay.
	And one of the issues we face with power line industry right now in the utility line industry is that it's vulnerable.
	It's vulnerable to like an EMP or coronal mass ejection where power grids would go down.
	We are in the process of bolstering the power grid.
	So there's lots of work to be done so that it could segment itself and be somewhat protected.
	But power linemen are old like me.
	Nearly 40% of us will retire by 2030.
	There's only 121, 22,000 I'm looking at right here that are dream and power linemen.
	And it's pretty much all men.
	It's because we have to get up early and we have to stay late.
	Sometimes we work 24 hours a day for a week at a shot.
	They may fly us to Florida.
	They may fly us to Puerto Rico when the storm hit Puerto Rico.
	I know plenty of guys that were there for three months.
	And the whole time they were there, every hour of the day, they were paid double time and their meals and their hotel.
	Those guys walked away with a load of cash.
	So the opportunities are there.
	We have trouble actually getting young men to want to come in and take some of the trade schools and apply for these apprenticeships.
	Mostly because they're not aware or the work is difficult, it's hard, you're working in the rain, the snow, it's very cold or very hot.
	So if you're tough enough to do that, you can really do well in this industry.
	I like that you can have the power in your hands because overtime is huge.
	And I remember back in my week coming up, I maximized overtime because I was like, you know what?
	If I can work extra hours and make more money, why not do that now so I can enjoy life later on when I get older?
	That's really good, by the way, overtime.
	Yeah.
	And it lets you save that money or create a brokerage account and start to see the money actually work.
	And you get to see compound effect happen much quicker than anybody else when you can bank some of this overtime.
	So it's a new year, Thor, right?
	And just real quick, I want to ask this question.
	So let's say I'm a person that wants to make money right now.
	What trades do you recommend other than power linemen to start this year?
	What other trades would you recommend?
	Well, hold on.
	Before we get into that, I was going to ask, how does someone become a power lineman?
	Okay, cool.
	And then we'll get into the other trades.
	Yeah.
	So, Thor, how does someone become a power linesman?
	How do they go through it?
	You mentioned before a four-year apprenticeship, but can you take a step-by-step how someone would actually get into this career field?
	Because obviously, yeah, it's a little dangerous, but I'm sure people here are like, damn, okay, that's quite a bit of money, or more.
	In California, they're making $200 to $300 pretty easily.
	How does someone get into this field?
	Sure.
	That's a really good question, actually, because most people don't know.
	On my website, there's an instructional there, exactly what certifications you need and things like that.
	But let's just take it a piece at a time.
	You can apply it to local utilities for what's called a groundman or a laborer position.
	That's very good.
	That gets your foot in the door.
	Or the best way to do it is to obtain a commercial driver's license and or other certifications, such as a crane operator certification, heavy equipment operator certification.
	All of these are trades in amongst themselves, but it gets you in a position where you're extremely valuable and you'll get into an apprenticeship much, much faster.
	So once you've done that, you can do that and apply and get an apprenticeship that way through the unions such as the IBEW locals.
	They all offer training programs, which while you're training, they pay you as well.
	And then the other way is to go to one of the national lineman college schools, which you can earn an associate degree in science by going to these schools.
	And they also prepare you, learn the language of line work, the tools, the equipment, they get you the certifications too.
	Many of them will loan you the money to go to school and then do a job placement.
	And that's one good way.
	Mike Rowe on the MikeRowe.org.
	You guys familiar with Mike Rowe, the dirty jobs guy?
	Yes, yes.
	He had an episode on Vienna Lineman.
	Okay.
	And he actually has a scholarship.
	If you write a letter on why you want to do a trade, it can be any trade.
	They pay for all your schooling.
	Did you know that?
	Wow.
	No, I don't know.
	But anyway, those are some of the ways you can get in by trade school, by application to local utilities, municipalities, or the local unions, probably the highest paying jobs and they get the best training.
	But if you don't know where to start, that would be the places to start.
	Wow.
	Very interesting.
	And then I didn't know that having a CDL or a crane operator license, all these other things will set you up to be, I guess, have a higher likelihood of being hired as a power lineman.
	Like, do these other, like, skill sets translate into being a power lineman?
	Or does it just look good on your resume?
	No, they're required.
	If you think about it, we're driving these multi-axle vehicles that are commercial vehicles like 18-wheelers.
	They have hazmat.
	You have to have a hazmat endorsement.
	Some of these boom trucks that lift 200 and 300 feet in there or even 50 feet in there are considered digger Derek Crane, so you've got to be certified in that as well.
	So just to actually be a journeyman lineman, you'll need those certs anyway.
	The advantage of it is it makes you more marketable because you have these certifications when it comes to becoming an apprentice.
	That means the companies that are out there don't have to pay for your training because you've already done it.
	That's the fast track.
	Okay.
	That's smart.
	Wow.
	So get the CDL crane operator license and then go ahead and apply.
	It'll increase your likelihood of getting hired as an apprentice.
	A certified welder fits right into that too.
	Now, you don't need that to be a power lineman, but it does help.
	I mean, we weld on the towers and fabricate and all that stuff as well.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Sorry, Fresh.
	So you were asking about other trades, right?
	I can only imagine someone says...
	Which you kind of just segued into that.
	This is kind of dangerous, so I don't want to do this one to be exact.
	But what are the options that I have, I guess, for coming into this?
	Any other trades that people might want to get into?
	Or did you say, what can they get into now if they want to make money quickly?
	Yeah, like today.
	Okay.
	What are some trades you think, Thor, that people can get into...
	Let's say they're watching this right now, because I know we've got a bunch of young men watching this.
	We've got almost 6,000 of y'all in here right now between YouTube and Rumble watching.
	They might be living at home with their mom, might not have so much money right now.
	They want to get into something quickly and just start making some money, pay some bills, etc.
	Or maybe they can get into something quickly and then build their way up and get other certifications as they're climbing.
	What do you think is something that a guy can get into fairly quickly in the blue-collar world?
	Okay, that's a really good question as well.
	And one of the quickest things you can do is be willing to move anywhere the work is.
	If you can do that, let's just start with the list.
	A CDL, commercial driver's license, is the quick.
	You can get it done in less than a month.
	You can get your CDL and you can start driving now for decent money.
	That is the first step.
	The next step, it'd take you a few more months.
	You'd get a crane cert and those guys get paid really well.
	You know, easy for them to pull in $60,000 to $70,000 right out the bat.
	And they don't have to do a ton of training.
	They just need to be certified and start making application at these crane companies.
	Nice.
	That are out there such as Bragg, Crane, Hill, all those sort of things.
	They're all online.
	You can find them.
	So that's one way.
	Another way is welding.
	You can get that in months and you can become a certified welder and start becoming a fabricator.
	Another $50,000 to $80,000 right out the get-go.
	There's other ones.
	I just had a guy out to do a service on my heater and air conditioner.
	He was independent, worked for himself, and it's $185 an hour.
	Wow.
	So HVAC is a good one and there's trade schools for that that'll get you in and out of there in four to six months.
	Wow.
	And you could work for one of these HVAC companies right out the get-go.
	Now plumbing, I'm not familiar with plumbing because power linemen and electrical trades are allergic to plumbing.
	Yeah, fair enough.
	That makes sense.
	Mostly because of the rules of plumbing, you know, which you guys know the two rules of plumbing, right?
	Number one is shit rolls downhill.
	First rule, plumbing.
	You know the rule number two of plumbing?
	What?
	Don't bite your fingernails.
	Now you know why we're allergic to plumbing.
	But plumbers make even better money when they work for themselves.
	There is a plumber that has this mansion seven miles from me that has a private lake.
	Yeah, I believe it.
	And everyone thinks that plumbers are brokies.
	Like, bro, when we bring girls on this podcast and they shit on blue-collar workers or plumbers or whatever, I'm like, you stupid bimbo.
	You don't know anything.
	Yeah, they say, I want that guy that works for waste management or plumbing.
	I want that guy.
	Yeah, they make quite a bit of money.
	Well, Thor, just to be a devil's advocate here, you might not like plumbers, but guess what?
	The power's in your hands, not their hands.
	I love this guy too because you know when your shit gets backed up, plumber's golden.
	Yeah.
	So he listed, let's say you're a beginner, you want to make money right now.
	CDL seems to be.
	CDL, crane operator.
	What else you listed as well?
	You listed as well.
	Yep.
	HVAC. And a welder.
	Plumber, too.
	And all of these, it sounds to me, all of these certs you can get in less than six months.
	That's pretty good.
	Yes, sir.
	All of them.
	Okay.
	And you said a CDL you can get.
	So let's start with the CDL first.
	A month, bro.
	Can you tell us what a CDL is, how you can get one, you know, what the process is?
	I'm sure every state has different requirements.
	Yeah.
	We do.
	And what doors you open with the CDL? I know the most obvious one is like a truck driver, if I'm not mistaken, right?
	Right.
	But we can start with the CDL. Go ahead.
	Sure.
	Commercial driver's license is going to be the base.
	And the only difference between the states and Canada right now is how they test for it.
	But they all are DOT regulated licenses, which means the Department of Transportation.
	So they all have to follow the same basic safety rules, inspections, and logging when they're driving.
	There's a lot around that that revolves around safety.
	And that's what these CDL schools will teach you.
	So around $2,500 to $4,000, you can sign up for one of these CDL schools.
	And they also have job placement, too.
	You really need to do that.
	You could take the test on your own, but now who do you apply to, right?
	You could drive from anybody like a UPS or you can drive for heavy equipment where you're actually delivering the heavy equipment.
	If you want to become a heavy equipment operator, the first thing you have to do is get a CDL. So a CDL is the basic license that you would need to get into the trades that require heavy equipment, large trucks, any sort of commercial vehicles that are larger than a pickup truck.
	You're going to need a CDL. Okay.
	And that's across the entire nation.
	And they do get paid much better than just your common laborer that doesn't have one.
	Okay.
	What if I have my own truck and I want to get into it?
	Would that help me get a job faster if I have my own truck?
	Such as an 18-wheeler?
	Yeah.
	Oh yeah, there's owner.
	Owner operators make very good money, especially if they're willing to travel across country because everybody wants to travel local.
	But I've known a couple of CDL guys that actually took out a loan, bought their own truck, and then found contracts, did their driving.
	Some of them would contract you like a UPS or Walmart.
	They still have owner operators and they pay them a premium because they own their own truck and they carry their own insurance.
	And then I've seen those guys actually, you know, rent their trucks out to another driver and then go buy another truck.
	And then go buy another truck.
	Wow.
	The sky's the limit if you want to get out there and grind, you know.
	So we don't want to hear for 2024.
	No excuses because you can get a CDL, get a job right away.
	You can be either a plumber.
	You can be a linesman.
	You can be all these things.
	So if you're broke...
	It's your choice.
	Yeah, because here's the other thing too, because people get mad.
	Oh, you guys bring scammers on that.
	Oh, teach us about being entrepreneurs and gurus.
	That's fine.
	I mean, like I told you all before, now everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur.
	And I've said this many times.
	There's nothing wrong with having a job.
	I think the blue collar world is a great world.
	I mean, that's the world I came from, from being in law enforcement.
	And...
	You can make quite a bit of money doing it, it's just that there tends to be this negative stigma that you can't be very successful doing it.
	And the reality is that a lot of you guys aren't cut out to be entrepreneurs, a lot of you guys aren't going to be influencers, and this is a fantastic field to go into to make a good amount of money, and then if you decide down the road you want to pivot and become an entrepreneur, like Thor did, like I did, etc., you'll have the ability to do so because you have some capital behind your goddamn name, and you can start off correctly in your entrepreneurial ventures.
	Thor, so okay, so we talked about the CDL. So you can get one for somewhere between, you said $25,000 to $4,000?
	Yes.
	Yeah, you can get through the school and they'll guarantee you pass.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	And not only that, you said job placement as well.
	That's correct.
	Some of the schools offer job placement.
	Wow.
	So that's fantastic.
	So we're talking, you save up $2,500, $4,000.
	You save that money, you go take the CDL, and then you can go ahead and land the job.
	What are some of these jobs that they might land you with placement?
	You can get a local freight is one that's pretty popular.
	There's more and more of the supply chain stuff going on.
	That would be really easy.
	You can go to Home Depot or Lowe's and you can get a delivery driver because they're going to give you a forklift certification.
	You guys seen those trucks that are delivering bricks that have the forklift strapped on the back?
	Well, guess what?
	You need a CDL and that gets your foot in the door.
	And there you go.
	You can drive local and probably work normal shift hours.
	Probably won't be as much money, but you can start doing that.
	So that's a really, really quick way, and it's probably the fastest way to get into the trades.
	But really, what you would do is just type in, you know, commercial driver's license school in my area in Google, and there's going to be a ton of them pop up.
	Same if you want to do crane work.
	You type in the National Crane Organization Certification Schools Near Me.
	As far as lineman jobs, type in a line college, power lineman colleges near me or nationwide.
	You know that I have statistics here.
	Every year I get these statistics and it's estimated there'll be 21,500 lineman job openings in 2024 alone.
	Wow!
	Let me ask you this, Tor.
	And I guess this could be good for our audience, right?
	Has there been a drop in people working these jobs?
	I always hear about people saying, oh, we can't find employees.
	We can't find people that want to do this type of work.
	There's quite a bit of demand for these jobs, whether it's a plumber, HVAC, etc.
	With the explosion of people of going to college and wanting to be influencers and all this other bullshit and trying to make money online.
	People don't want to go ahead and do these blue collar jobs anymore.
	So has there been a mass opening in these jobs?
	And is this a good time to get in now?
	So I would think there is, but I don't know for sure.
	I can only speak to where I was involved with the power alignment.
	It's a little different.
	Since the money is so well, the demand is high.
	The problem is the working conditions are harsh.
	The schooling is required.
	And there is a physical test.
	For becoming a power lineman and just entry-level.
	There's physical requirements.
	You can't be too overweight.
	You have to be able to climb a 70-foot pole within a certain time limit.
	Sorry, Mo.
	There's things you have to do and then that just starts the apprenticeship.
	And the apprenticeship has tests, physical tests, and educational tests throughout it.
	You're only allowed so many strikes.
	So there is about a 25% failure rate when the guys leave the trade.
	So that's where we lose a lot of guys.
	And then once the guys become journeymen, they stick around until retirement because it's a great job.
	So with most of us being over 55 years old, The openings are going to open up in a tremendous way.
	They already are right now.
	That's why we're seeing 21,500 linemen openings this year alone.
	So the opportunities there, how many guys are going to come in for those?
	I'm not really sure that we've seen a real bad drop because the money's really good.
	But we do see a lot of guys dropping out.
	They just can't cut it.
	It's too hard.
	I don't get to play video games because I'm working on the weekend, things like that.
	They don't like the extra hours.
	But that's good because those guys get weeded out.
	You don't want them on the line anyway because you never know.
	They might need to give you CPR. And so you want a guy that's willing to go all the way.
	Also, you mentioned first responders, law enforcement.
	Another great trade.
	And I don't know if you realize, but we work hand-in-hand with law enforcement.
	And with firemen and first responders, we're considered here in California first responders as well.
	Power lying down, first people on there are firemen or police.
	Sometimes we have to remove power from certain establishments that might be cartel run.
	So we do work with them pretty regularly.
	Okay.
	Real quick, Thor.
	So this may be an underrated trade, but back in Barbados, I've seen people come from nothing, buy a lawnmower, a wee whacker, buy some gas, and they cut lawn.
	Basically landscaping.
	Okay.
	How profitable is that, you would think, for most people?
	Because I think it's an easy entry level to get into as a trade.
	You could do it yourself.
	But how is that profitable, you would say, for yourself from what you've seen, landscaping?
	Out here, it's tremendous.
	There's a ton of opportunity if you want to do landscaping, particularly maintenance and construction.
	Here in California, nearly everywhere you go is HOAs, and they have requirements for landscaping.
	Somebody's got to maintain it, somebody's got to build it, and this is nearly everywhere in California.
	Those regulations have to be met.
	So that's really interesting you say landscaping because there's a lot of them here and you need to understand not only how to do your job, but traffic control, permits, all that stuff.
	So they get paid pretty well.
	They really do out here in California.
	So that's a brilliant insight actually.
	You can start with almost nothing right there.
	Just a willingness to go and work.
	And the good part is you could be an immigrant and still get a job.
	Just saying.
	That's true.
	You guys know that even here in California, you can still be an immigrant and get a CDL. Really?
	Oh, really?
	In California, I believe it.
	You can get a driver's license in certain states without being, yeah.
	New York, California, these blue states, you can, yeah.
	For all you illegal dudes watching the show, man, that's where you want to be.
	You want to be in California or New York, you can get a driver's license.
	Manigas, go to California.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God!
	What was that, Thor?
	It is what it is.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they can do that.
	I'll tell you this, man.
	You go by Home Depot, let's say you're the owner, pick us the Mexicans, you're well on your way, brother.
	Okay, so we talked about certifications, right?
	Crane operator, CDL. A bunch of these certifications people can get in less than six months.
	So for all the guys out there, we're talking $2,500 to $4,000.
	You can go ahead and get yourself a CDL and they'll give you job placement.
	And then bam, you pretty much land a job where you're earning somewhere anywhere between what?
	$40,000 to $80,000 depending on what you end up doing.
	That's correct.
	That would be correct.
	I mean, if you jump in and you're a carpenter assistant, it might be on that lower end, around 40 or the average, but you become an apprentice and you get into finished carpentry, particularly if you're willing to travel to these construction sites, these massive ones that they're doing, yeah, you can start to see upwards of 100K easily.
	And you could probably do all of that within a year if you're a hustler.
	Look, Thor, I want to work smart, not hard.
	I want the easiest trade possible to make money, work overtime, and get out.
	What trade is that, you would say?
	First of all, I don't have that philosophy to work smarter than work hard.
	It's nice to work smart, but the reality is, and you know this is true, you have to work fucking hard.
	And we've forgotten that in this nation.
	We need to be able to get up early and work and stay late at work.
	And, you know, the work smarter is after you made the money.
	And you invest it and now your money is working for you.
	That's really the way to do it.
	But until then, if you're just a guy that's leveling up, you're going to have to make that money.
	So the harder you work, the more competitive you are.
	And the better off you'll be.
	Discipline equals freedom.
	So you have the discipline to actually work hard.
	I think that's the way to go.
	Now, I've been in corporate America, too.
	Yeah, work smarter, not harder.
	I would say work efficiently, not inefficiently.
	But as far as hard work, I have never seen a guy fail working hard.
	You know, it's when they do dumb things over and over.
	That's the dumb part about working.
	You know, if you're in a job where it's repetitive and you're not making any, go get another one.
	That's working smarter, you know.
	Yeah, because the excuse is...
	It's a philosophic difference, you know.
	I don't like that saying because I want guys to actually, you know, put their best effort forth because they'll see rewards far quicker if they work hard.
	Because people say all the time, I want to work smart in trades, but all my friends that do trades, they work really hard.
	But they were overtime, sacked the money, then they invested after the facts.
	So working smart comes after the fact, like you said before.
	Really good point.
	Work smart comes later.
	You guys are doing it.
	You understand that philosophy now probably more intimately than most people because what we see with you guys too is all the glitz.
	And it isn't all the glitz, is it?
	It's a struggle, man.
	Yeah.
	They don't see it.
	Yeah, I mean, like, hell, on Friday, like, after we did our show, right, we went out for, like, almost two hours and just, like, trying to figure out how to, you know, do the IRL streaming thing, like, you know, but we had to go out there and, like, test it out at five in the morning after doing three other shows, so it's like, or two other shows.
	But let me ask you this story.
	So, okay, so it seems like the CDL seems to be, like, the kind of the springboard into this world.
	Yeah.
	We talked about welding before.
	How can someone become a welder?
	Because that's something that is always in demand.
	A lot of people kind of somewhat know about it, but you can make quite a bit of money doing it as well.
	How is someone getting into welding?
	Okay, so this is really cool.
	You can get into welding really cheap because there's lots of YouTubes that go through the certification process.
	You just need access to a welder and then you need access to someone that will test you.
	And so you can get really good at welding just watching the YouTubes, learning about the gas mixes, the different metals, things like that.
	I actually have a welding rig in my garage and I've used it on several occasions.
	Years ago, I actually built a toy tank for my kids to push around the neighborhood with a three inch PVC gun.
	And I welded it myself after watching YouTubes and things like that.
	So that's one place to start.
	But almost every single junior college has a next to nothing cost for welding certifications, starting with cert one.
	Rod, rod, rod, and then they'll go with wire.
	Then they'll go to TIG. Each one is a semester-long class, and they offer the tests and all that.
	If there's a welding supply shop anywhere around, go ask those guys.
	They all know where you can go.
	To learn to be a welder.
	So you can either, you know, buy yourself a small welder, get some metal and a garage, and you can learn some from YouTube.
	My recommendation would be do that and then go to these junior colleges that are almost no cost and start there.
	And once you've done that, you can start hitting all the fabrication shops.
	Remember this.
	All of these companies that do freight all have welders to repair their trailers, their trucks, they have fabricators, every one of them, that work at night repairing those trucks because those trucks wear out.
	So that's a good job.
	And welding can make really good money.
	And if you want to jump out and do welding on these oil rigs or you want to be a roughneck, that's really good money.
	But, I mean, you're going to be gone for a little while.
	But if you're willing to go where the work is and just make the money and focus on it, that's another good career is being a roughneck in one of these oil states.
	Will having CDL increase your likelihood of landing a welding gig as well?
	Absolutely, because they need guys to be mobile, and some of them need to take a commercial truck that's over 26,000 pounds.
	It has all the generators, the welders, the gases on board so that they can mobile weld.
	So the CDL, once you have it, it's really, really, really worth it because you can maintain it easily just for, what, every four years you've got to pay a re-up.
	Wow.
	And if you decide to get a HAZMAT certification, you can double your salary.
	That's a little extra schooling, but that's just some of the things you could consider.
	Now, someday we're going to have robot trucks that deliver freight, but it's not going to happen real soon because those guys that have the CDL, they're going to transfer over to these other trades that require them to drive trucks that are never going to be automated.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Guys, as you can see here, guys, I wanted you out of here and talk a little bit.
	We got an expert here.
	So if you guys got questions, man, super chat them in, rumble rant them in, whatever you guys want to do, fnfsuperchat.com or rumble rant them in.
	I know some of you guys have issues with being able to rumble rant them in, so we gave you the other option.
	Whatever you choose is easier for you.
	So it seems to me, Thor, as if the CDL is basically the springboard.
	It's the foundation.
	That's the first thing you should do to get into this, whether you want to be I mean, hell, a plumber, a welder, a power lineman, crane operator, whatever it may be, the CDL is where you start.
	And I didn't realize, I mean, I know for some of you guys, oh my God, $2,500 is so much money.
	But think of it this way.
	That $2,500 to $4,000 will springboard you into a career where you can make a significant amount more money.
	You're investing in yourself, essentially.
	And some of you guys spend that on a night at the fucking club, man.
	Let's be honest here.
	Or on a chick that doesn't even like you in the first place.
	Or monster your car.
	Yeah, monster your car is some bullshit.
	If money is an issue for the guys out there, let me just do this for you really quick.
	If money is an issue, go over to microworks.org.
	Read up on, you know, the pledge that's on there, and he's asking for an essay on why you need the money to go to this school.
	They give out millions a year, and your schooling's paid for.
	They just want to know that you're going to work hard, and you're going to follow that pledge.
	It's really freaking amazing.
	I mean, I used to recommend guys to do this all the time that wanted into trade schools, because some of these trade schools cost, you know, $20,000, $40,000.
	Some of them do, and you can get it paid for.
	It's pretty amazing.
	It's a charitable institution.
	It's MikeRoweWorks.org.
	So that might help you out.
	Now, this is just me being curious here.
	And some of these questions will come in and I'll read them here.
	But you mentioned that crab fishing is extremely dangerous.
	So can you tell me a little bit about crab fishing?
	How does someone get into that?
	Yeah, actually I have a nephew that's a crab fisherman.
	Really you're going to have to go to the docks where they're at and ask to become a tender or something like that.
	Very low pay.
	Basically you're a deck swabber.
	That's how you would get into it.
	And they're going to make you do that for a year or so as the lowest form of basic whale poop.
	And they're gonna haze the shit out of you.
	Of course.
	But, once they bring you into the crew, now you can run out there and make big money.
	You can work six months out of the year and take the other six months off.
	Wow.
	That's what the guys do.
	Yeah.
	So...
	You're not going to just fish crab.
	One of the big misunderstandings about these crab fishermen is that they just go out and fish the big crab.
	A lot of these guys will fish for fish, for cod, salmon.
	They do a lot of fishing.
	They're essentially a commercial fisherman on a small boat, you know, up to 100 feet, 200 feet, you know, not the really big net casters.
	Those are a little different, but you could certainly work those if you wanted to, especially if you have a penchant for the sea.
	And you don't get seasick.
	Everybody gets seasick.
	But, I mean, you're okay with that sort of stuff.
	I mean, that's pretty respectable work when you realize what these guys do.
	You gotta say, yeah, right on for you, man.
	That's tough.
	Is it, so, being a crab fisherman, because you said it's very dangerous, and you had mentioned that there's a lot of mortality, high mortality rates compared to, like, you know, police officers.
	Like, how would you, what, falling overboard?
	Like, how did the instances occur?
	Sure.
	Well, they get injured mostly because there's heavy equipment rolling around on the deck, crab pots, rope snapping, things bashing into them, hard hats falling off, getting head injuries.
	That's the high injury rate.
	Now, on the mortality side, once they're in the water, if they're not in a survival suit, they don't have long.
	Because it's so cold?
	And if that doesn't happen, yeah, it goes quick.
	Okay, because it's so cold.
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	I mean, I knew it was dangerous, but I didn't know why.
	So I was like, you know what, let me ask since I got Thor here.
	Alaska fishermen too, right?
	Because I'm assuming you're not fishing in areas that are like, you're not here in Florida or on the Gulf Coast.
	You're like up by Alaska, right?
	If I'm not mistaken, you're like fishing very...
	No, there are fishing on every coastal city.
	There is a commercial fishing situation.
	Here in Southern California, a lot of guys run up to Alaska, but in the off-season, they do really well by getting a license to fish Dungeness crab, snow crab.
	So they can fish locally right here in the ocean.
	It's very fertile, and it just depends on what you're going after and what license you can get.
	Remember, it's all regulated, and they've got to license themselves by the state fishing game to do so.
	It's pretty competitive, but any of these coastal cities that has ports where these boats dock, man, you could just go down there and watch them come in.
	They always need somebody to do something.
	If you're willing to work for free for a few days here and there, it's your foot in the door.
	In fact, you might have to do that almost like an internship.
	That's one of the big ways of getting in if you're not born into it.
	Okay.
	Start.
	Yeah.
	And you said they can go to one of the docks and just start scrubbing the deck for a bit and just kind of get their way in and then eventually hopefully get invited into the crew about a year later or whatever if they do what they're supposed to do.
	Yeah, or sooner.
	Sure.
	Here's the thing.
	And I tell all men this, and everybody should know this, you have to be useful.
	I mean, this even applies to relationships.
	You guys talk about relationships all the time and the girls and all this.
	They need to be useful.
	If you can be useful in the trades, somebody's going to pick you up because you're going to make them money.
	That's true.
	So that's what you have to do.
	Yeah.
	You know, camaraderie, being a good guy, being, you know, pleasurable to be around Paul's, like not being a pain in the ass, being helpful, being useful.
	Like, these are all things that are very important because at the end of the day, it's a team, you know?
	So you don't want to have a, you know, negative...
	Yeah.
	that like, you know, just kill that.
	You know, all of you guys had that one friend that's just like a fucking buzzkill.
	You don't want to be that guy, especially in the beginning stages when you're trying to find one of these gigs, man.
	Because yeah, man, it's not what you know, it's who you know, and the type of relationships you're able to build.
	So, okay, we talked about crab fishing.
	I can hit the chats.
	Yeah, we can hit some of these questions.
	I know some of y'all, we gave you guys kind of a broad overview of some of these different trades.
	But yeah, guys, I mean...
	It's an option, man.
	It's an option, man.
	Like, a lot of y'all are not going to be TikTok influencers.
	Sorry.
	Like, you know, we got to bring you guys to reality a little bit here.
	And, you know, we can't be sitting here telling you guys, oh, get into these trades or whatever without bringing an expert in.
	So, here you guys go.
	Listen, it's a new year.
	You made some mistakes last year.
	It didn't work out for you.
	Yeah.
	Try trades.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	You never know.
	Let's see here what we got.
	Dave Hustles.
	Where we at?
	Dave Hustles.
	Okay, Dave Hustles.
	Hey, Evan F. Mariner Fresh, I need tips and pointers.
	I took a year of the dating market to focus and invest in myself.
	Now that I have everything in order, I'm going to date with a chick in a couple hours.
	I'm getting dinner with her and we're watching a movie.
	Oh, my friend.
	Bro, we told you, don't take girls to movies.
	Movie is an L, bro.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, my friend.
	I mean...
	Yo, if you can't, bro, change the movie date.
	Say, listen, this came up.
	We'll do this instead.
	Yeah.
	Something more chill.
	We could talk to her one-on-one, but not a movie date, bro.
	Yeah, and even dinner I'm a little skeptical about, man.
	Like, take her for, like, an appetizer or something like that.
	Don't spend a lot of money and, yeah, don't take her to a movie, man.
	Don't do that.
	Typically, light food, tacos, and drinks, you're chilling.
	Anything heavy for the first date, if you're not advanced, it could mess you up.
	Yeah, if you don't know what you're doing, yeah, you could get finessed.
	Oh, my days goes.
	FNF, I live in the Northeast.
	We got slammed by a snowstorm this weekend.
	It was mostly men on my street, clearing snow, no women.
	Hell, well, of course.
	For the UK trip, maybe YouTuber Expressions Oozing found him on the grill and show with Shian.
	He gave her Riz and the smoke.
	Okay, we can check them out.
	Joaquin goes, Hey, Fresher Fit, thank you guys for motivating me to get in shape and go to the gym, make more money, and be more charismatic.
	I appreciate how all of these things will help me be more attractive towards women.
	Thanks for everything you do.
	Thank you, Joaquin.
	Chats goes, Nigga, is that scared of high-voltage electrical work but is scared of blue light?
	Did y'all notice the Andrew Tate pod for the end of this month yet?
	Did y'all announce?
	No, we haven't, but wait, he's scared of high-voltage.
	What?
	What?
	I don't understand what he's trying to say there.
	Hustle goes, 21, about to get my CDL with a hazmat and tanker endorsement.
	Should I relocate to Texas?
	I'm in Maryland, but there are opportunities to earn 100K no experience in the oil industry.
	Also looking to invest in Brandon Carter's program to become a fitness trainer.
	Bro, handle your trade first, and then once you get that handled, then you can go ahead and figure out how much time you have and then get into the side hustle of being a personal trainer as well.
	But Thor, what do you think about that?
	He says he's 21 with a CDL with a hazmat, so okay.
	So take it, right?
	I wonder where the work is.
	This is a big deal.
	You know, before you lock yourself down anywhere, Go to where the work is.
	I mean, one thing that's really valuable to all of us is time.
	And the more time you don't go to where the work is, where you can make the most money, you are missing out on that compound effect of having that money in your pocket now.
	So don't mess around with that.
	And I can't help but notice your last question was on dating.
	There's something I have to bring up about power linemen.
	Okay.
	So they're across the entire nation every year.
	Type into Google somewhere, power linemen rodeo.
	So linemen, when they become a journeyman and they get to the top of their skill, they compete in various events to show off their skill in front of the public.
	This is really popular.
	And it's dangerous.
	They compete against each other to be the best of the best.
	There is literally a groupies of women that come and look.
	Why?
	They also type into Google, lineman wife.
	Think about it.
	If you do become a journeyman power lineman, there will be gold diggers.
	There will be groupies.
	You make that kind of money and you're gone almost all the time.
	You have to be careful as a power lineman with those ladies.
	It's an amazing thing.
	You're working a really dangerous job.
	It's very masculine.
	There's really no women around you at all while you're doing the line work.
	So this is really attractive to a lot of ladies that want to lock you down.
	So be careful.
	There you go.
	Wow.
	So now everyone's going to join.
	Oh, girls!
	Oh, yeah, I'm going to do it.
	From my job!
	Yeah, I'm doing it.
	TJ King goes, what would be some specialist jobs for blue-collar workers?
	We talked about that.
	But, I mean, Thor, do you have anything you want to add to that?
	Yeah, I do.
	I'm going to add one thing for you guys about linemen, then I'll talk about other ones.
	So if you guys go to linemencentral.com, there's a button down there that says get alerts for new linemen openings.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	It doesn't get any easier than that.
	Now, I wanted to get to this one, the top 12.
	Here's some jobs that you might not have thought of.
	An ultrasonographer.
	I guess those are guys that look at ground-penetrating radar.
	They make $131,000 per year.
	I don't know where you're going to go to get that, but hey, here's a respiratory therapist.
	$104,000 a year, gentlemen.
	Some of those go to trade school to get that.
	A dental hygienist, $99,000 a year.
	Actually, I have a male dental hygienist, and he's way better than the women ones that I had.
	I'm Much more competent.
	I wonder why.
	You guys know that when they looked at nurses, male and female, the ones that got the best care between the men and the women?
	It's not even close.
	Wow.
	Massagony.
	Bro, it's better at everything, man.
	Red lens.
	Construction manager, $89,000 per year.
	Aircraft mechanic, $82,000 per year.
	Cable technician, that's a guy that's piping in cable TV, $70,000 per year.
	Wow.
	And people, do we watch cable anymore?
	I guess they do.
	They're probably rebuilding these because they're putting the internet feeds onto cable nowadays, right?
	So industrial mechanics such as heavy equipment, $70,000 a year.
	Solar installer, $69,000.
	Real estate appraiser, $64,000 a year.
	Oh, wow.
	Appraising is pretty easy.
	Yeah.
	So you're just walking in and taking pictures and, okay, yeah, this house is worth this much.
	Electrician.
	So we call those guys narrowbacks because, you know, they're not as broad shoulders as linemen.
	We're actually knuckle draggers and have to put band-aids on our knuckles because we drag our hands everywhere.
	But those electricians, $70,000 a year.
	Licensed practicing nurse, $100,000 a year.
	How does someone go about, because I've talked about being an electrician before, how does someone go about being an electrician?
	Obviously it's a little bit less physically demanding than being a power lineman.
	How does someone go about that?
	Much in the same way, you're going to need to go to companies that do electrical work and apply for a job there, start out as a helper, become an apprentice.
	Also, there is the IBEW, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.
	Okay.
	This spans much further than just the U.S. It goes worldwide.
	You can contact them and find out about apprenticeships around the world.
	Mm-hmm.
	And you can work through the union to obtain a paying apprenticeship.
	You'll have to understand what those requirements are and where the work is.
	If you're willing to travel where the work is, You can get the job, and you can get the training.
	Wow.
	Now, another quick way to electrician, HVAC, and some of these skills that I just mentioned in the medical fields, you guys realize it's going into the military.
	Yeah.
	It's fully paid for.
	Yep.
	And I know plenty of those guys, and they come out with a lot of skills that are in demand.
	Yep.
	Wow.
	Yeah, because if you pick the right MOSs, right, you know, look, I love guys that want to do infantry, but guys, if you can...
	If you're going to go ahead and go into the military, try to pick up a trade while you're there.
	You can get your CDL for free.
	You can get all these different types of training, etc.
	And then you'll be able to hit the ground running once you come out.
	And if you do want to go to school, chase the tail, and get a worthless degree, they'll pay for it.
	There you go.
	Exactly.
	Yo, but isn't that funny though?
	You spend like what?
	Five to seven years becoming a doctor.
	Sorry, a lawyer.
	Doctor, whatever.
	And you're actually in debt when you finish.
	Versus you're a tradesman.
	You have no debt.
	It's paid for.
	Or very little.
	And you make good money coming into it from the gate.
	Yeah, you can make six figures.
	So I feel like it's a better option for guys.
	Yeah, yeah.
	For a lot of guys, it's better than getting a degree in fucking business and then You know, you get some, like, stupid, you know, regular job, like some desk job, making 50k per year, but you have hella debt.
	And worst case scenario, let's say you want to do a business, you get the money from your actual trade, save it up, like what Thor did, put into real estate or whatever you want to put into.
	So that's a W. Think about the math for a minute as colleges propose today.
	Come out of college, you owe $100,000.
	And then you've got to start making it and pay that back.
	Now, if you go to one of these trade schools and you do it right, you could get Mike Rowe to pay for it.
	Then you get an apprenticeship making between $60,000 and $100,000 right out the gate because you're going to where the work is.
	Let's just say you saved $25,000 per year.
	In four years, you have $100,000 in the bank.
	You could do a lot to leverage that.
	Yeah, you can.
	A lot.
	Right out the gate.
	As you turn journeyman.
	Now do that for another two years.
	You can buy a house cash if you're in the right area.
	Yep.
	And that's why I say go to where the work is.
	And then you can take a look and your life will get much easier because that's part of the law of compounding.
	And so you're really at a disadvantage coming out.
	Of a college with a degree, even a STEM degree that you owe basically a mortgage on.
	That is going to prevent you from doing a lot.
	Now you won't get the prestige, but if you think about that and you do the math over the course of 20 years, you're going to make millions more.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Ty McFly says, IBU Local 100 here.
	I'm 21.
	Third generation IBU. Saved 100K and have 800 credit.
	Looking to invest in real estate.
	Just witnessed my brother got electrocuted to death on solar.
	My condolences, my friend.
	Thank you, Fresh and God, for opening my mind to more than a 9 to 5.
	Thank you.
	Shout out to you, my Ty McFly.
	I'm sorry about your loss.
	That sucks, bro.
	Almond Howard goes, my question for Thor, aka Macho Man.
	Hey guys, please get your questions in, man.
	You have someone here that has many certifications.
	He's been in the game.
	He understands different types of trades and how to get into it, etc.
	He's a power linesman by trade, but obviously he's worked in other fields, so he can tell you this.
	Please get your questions in.
	He says, would hazmat endorsements on a CDL be good for this to get paid more, or does that matter?
	It's always good because like the tanker endorsement gives you more options should they need to even transport water to a construction site.
	If you're working through the union, you're going to get a premium because you have that endorsement.
	So the certs are always good.
	You know, they can't just get anybody, especially if they're going in an environmental area and they got to transport water because they got to keep dust down.
	So you're very versatile if you have these endorsements, even though you're a journeyman lineman.
	A good example of this, let's take it that you got a crane cert.
	A call from the union goes out for a journeyman lineman that needs to be able to operate a crane.
	They don't want to hire a separate crane operator.
	They want him to do line work and to operate the crane.
	He's going to get four to five dollars an hour more and he'll get a per diem for doing that because he has a cert.
	Same with welding.
	The same if he has human external cargo training.
	What that is is having education on how to work off of the skid of a helicopter.
	If he understands how to use a Faraday suit and do barehanding, he can command a premium.
	You guys have seen the History Channel where they show the linemen climbing out from a helicopter, all that sort of stuff.
	Those guys get paid not only high time, they get paid extra danger wages, they travel to the work, they make a lot of money if you're willing to do things like that and get those certs.
	So extra shirts always help, even in CDL. You're able to demand more.
	You basically diversify yourself from the entire rest of the workforce.
	Obviously, if you're a power lineman and you have a certain cert, they're going to go with you versus hiring a contractor or something else like that.
	It puts you in a very good position to be able to negotiate for more money and make more.
	Exactly right.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	So, yes, my friend, get the cert then, according to Thor.
	Logan goes, Thor, will I be...
	He goes, Thor, I will be finished with welding school in July.
	Is there any opportunity for me to make 60 to 100K right out of school, and would it make sense to continue welding gates and dog kennels for my family fence business on the side as well?
	Yeah, I would say do all of that.
	You could turn that side business if you're really good and you offer a lot of value.
	You could hire other welders and you could get that marketed.
	You could sell those products as well.
	I wouldn't give it up unless you have to travel and get a much better paying job.
	But I'm not sure what the question is because...
	Give up the side hustles, what he's asking?
	I think he's asking if there's any opportunities for him to make $6,200K right out of school.
	Right away, yeah.
	That's question one.
	And then question two is, would it make sense to continue welding gates and dog candles for my family fence business on the side as well?
	Absolutely.
	Go to ZipRecruiter and start looking at welding.
	There's jobs all across the nation.
	And if you're willing to travel for it, get at it.
	You know, the cost per hour might differ state to state.
	And in some states where the cost of living is low, that salary might be lower, but your dollar goes further.
	So you have to consider all of those things and do your own research, essentially.
	But yeah, absolutely.
	That's doable.
	That's 100% doable.
	60 to 100k a year.
	Yeah.
	So it can be done, my friend.
	And then I think the other big thing, too, that I want to draw attention to that you've mentioned multiple times throughout this podcast, Thor, is the willingness to move.
	A lot of guys are comfortable where they're at.
	They don't want to leave their hometown.
	They don't want to leave their parents, whatever it may be.
	Friends.
	Guys or their friends.
	You've got to be willing to move, guys.
	I mean, I left Connecticut in 2009 and I never looked back.
	Then I went to Boston to go to college.
	Then I went to Georgia.
	Then I lived in Texas for a while.
	Obviously, now I'm here in Florida.
	But I think a willingness to move and relocate is going to create way more opportunity for you.
	And you got to get out your comfort zone a lot of times.
	That might mean you step away from some of your best friends that you grew up with in high school.
	That might mean that you can't have home cooked meals anymore living with your parents.
	But I think guys need to understand that this is what you need to do to grow.
	And as a man, you need that personal development.
	A lot of times that comes from not living with your parents.
	Now, are there situations where living with your parents make sense?
	Absolutely.
	And you can save a lot of money if you're able to get one of these trades in a state and stay home.
	Fantastic, but the reality is, are you going to be able to do that every single time?
	No, you might have to leave.
	So, my friend, I think also the other thing, because the second question is, should I continue doing dog kennels and gates for his family business?
	I think you got to do the math.
	Does it make more sense for you to travel, get another welding job that might pay you more?
	Or maybe even less, but the cost of living there is lower, versus what you would be making staying at home with your parents, welding there, and doing that side hustle.
	You need to figure out what makes more sense, and the only person that can really crunch the numbers is you.
	But what I would say is, see where you can maximize the profit and then go there, based on what Thor said.
	But yes, absolutely possible.
	$60,000 to $100,000 per year, from what Thor is saying.
	Absolutely possible.
	Cobot goes, another option to get into trades if you can't afford schools is Job Corps.
	I did it.
	It's ghetto and you stay in a dorm, but they will feed you, give you trade training, and if your focus gets you into an apprenticeship that pays you with a union.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Okay.
	I forgot about that.
	Job Corps.
	Absolutely.
	There you go.
	James goes, he's not lying.
	If I had my CDL since I've been 21, I'm 28 now.
	I found a local job delivering water to stores.
	I work five hours a day and my $2,500 a week before taxes, so Thor's spitting right now.
	Okay, bam.
	So there you go, man.
	CDL really opens doors to do a bunch of things, just delivering water.
	He's making a decent amount of money for working only five hours a day.
	So yeah, CDL seems to me to be step number one.
	Would you say that's step one, Thor?
	I would.
	I actually would.
	Well, first of all, a willingness to work.
	Of course.
	Get out there and work.
	Do anything.
	Work for the grocery store.
	Work for local construction.
	And then go get that CDL. It opens a lot of doors for you.
	Okay.
	Mexican Superman says, this is for the books.
	Within the second year in the maintenance industry, I got certified HVAC and became a maintenance supervisor.
	W Immigrant taking this job from them lazy people hate on them Westerns.
	Oh boy.
	He didn't tell a lie.
	Yeah.
	So shout out to you becoming HVAC. Yeah.
	Evan C. goes, any tips for starting as an electrician?
	I'm a helper right now in an electrician company and soon going to school to become an apprentice.
	And how much should I be making to start real estate?
	And what other things are there to make money while working?
	So we'll answer the electrician thing first.
	So he's asking here...
	Any tips for starting?
	Yeah, any tips for starting as an electrician?
	So he did exactly what you actually just said, Thor, as far as working for the company, starting off helping out, and then becoming an apprentice, etc.
	Yep, I'm going to give you the best tip ever for that because you're becoming friends.
	Don't buy new tools.
	Buy used tools as long as they don't invalidate your safety.
	You know, if you have to buy a harness or something like that, you can buy it used as long as you know that it meets current safety standards.
	If you're going to buy body belts, you're going to buy your clients, you're going to buy your screwdrivers, buy them all used.
	You can find them really cheap.
	You'll save a lot of money and you'll position yourself with tools that you need to be more efficient throughout your apprenticeship.
	That's one thing.
	Same with your fire retardant shirts.
	Try to buy them used, man, because that stuff's really expensive.
	It sets you back and you can buy it all used.
	Don't be, don't be, I need all new shit to be good.
	You don't.
	Wow.
	Do companies fund the tools that you need as well?
	Some do.
	Most of the hand tools, they do not.
	Most safety equipment they will fund.
	It depends on your state.
	Here in California, all the safety equipment is paid for here.
	Some of the tools you really need to be really good, you're going to have to, their hand tools, their instrumentation, you'll have to fund on your own.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	We got...
	Lazy.
	Then he also said real estate as far as investing.
	Bro, focus right now on getting your electrician license, becoming an electrician, making six figures per year, then we can have that talk about you getting into real estate.
	But for now, focus on making money in your trade, guys.
	I wasn't focused on real estate until I got into this and then I was like, okay, into the entrepreneur world.
	But I focused on being really good at my job first, then I got into the real estate after the fact.
	Become really good at what you do and then you invest.
	Lazyville Slugger goes, I did 21 years as a block brick stonemason in a very rural area.
	Been installing auto glass for the last eight years and also I have my level one welding certification.
	I make between 70 and 80k a year doing all of these trades.
	Hard work is where I find peace.
	Shout out to you, my friend.
	Well said, bro.
	Good job.
	No kidding.
	No, that's really good.
	And before I forget, if you guys are interested in the Lyman stuff, I'm going to do a shout out to Powerline Podcast.
	I don't know those guys, but in the Powerline trade, it's a very small community.
	And I have saw some of their podcasts out there on YouTube.
	It gives you a good flavor of the industry.
	So shout out to Powerline Podcast.
	Guys, check that out if you want to get into that trade.
	Richard goes, question for Thor.
	20 years old with a CDL, no kids and no wife, got an opportunity with union operating engineers.
	I had originally planned to wait until I turned 21 for over-the-road truck driving.
	Which career path would you recommend to take?
	If you have the opportunity to go work with heavy equipment operators, you know, that's a good opportunity.
	If that's existing now, take what's in front of you now, you know, and you'll create those other opportunities later as well.
	Okay.
	You know, I would take the skills that they offer.
	I kind of always, guys get in trouble where they're waiting for something and something good's offered and then they start to think, well, if I just wait, I'll get this really good thing.
	And they start to turn into something better than it actually is because they're thinking about it, thinking about it.
	You have a good offer in front of you.
	You can take it.
	Guess what?
	As long as you're not involved in some kind of term contract for tools or length of time, you can leave when the other opportunity comes up.
	You need to be a bit Machiavellian about getting these jobs.
	One of the nice things about my trade is once you're a journeyman, you show up to a job, you're getting paid well, but management's treating you like a piece of shit.
	Guess what?
	You can pack your bags and it's called dragging.
	We walk off.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	And we've had whole crews walk off because they're not happy with how they're getting treated.
	Wow.
	Guess what?
	On the next job, they get treated better.
	Yeah.
	They just go to the next company and get picked up out of the books, and they have that flexibility because there's not many of us.
	Yeah.
	And it needs to be done immediately.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So Thor is saying, take the opportunity you got, man, versus waiting a year to take the over-the-road truck driving.
	You got an opportunity right now as a union operating engineer.
	Take that.
	Okay, it goes here.
	Michael Mode goes, hey guys, loving the free info we've been getting and it's only the start of the year.
	Hey man, which podcast provides you more value than us, bro?
	I told you already, we bring the experts in in different fields.
	We're not necessarily...
	Tradesmen like Thor, but we brought somebody in that is.
	And trust me, guys, we'll be doing this probably recurrently because I think this is something that's very important that not enough podcasts talk about, especially big ones, to help you guys out.
	We should have done it sooner.
	Yeah.
	Honestly.
	So we got y'all, man.
	Shout out to Thor.
	Michael Mode.
	I had been trying to get Thor over here, but he's been busy with, you know, obviously some things over there in California.
	But me and him, I mean, Thor, we've been talking about this for what?
	The better part of almost a year and a half, two years now?
	Yeah, ever since I was in Miami with you.
	I mean, we've done work before, but since you became fresh and fit, yeah, I mean, it was nice to be out there in person.
	But traveling, in some cases, is a little difficult.
	Yeah, difficult for you.
	Yeah, no, I understand.
	And so I appreciate the remote, sincerely.
	This is good to get out there, though.
	Yeah, and we'll definitely...
	Thor's a nice guy, man.
	So humble.
	Nah, he is, man.
	So respectful.
	And I wanted to bring him on earlier, guys, but I was trying to bring him in studio, but obviously he has some things that he has to handle over there in California.
	So we'll probably do it remote and give you guys the value.
	Protect Thor at all costs, man.
	You better than Loki.
	Yeah, facts.
	What?
	Michael Mode goes, this guy.
	Michael Mode says, hey guys, loving the free info we've been getting, and it's only the start of the year.
	I'm currently working safety from 7 a.m.
	to 3.30 p.m.
	I've been looking for another trade job to do afterwards and wouldn't mess up the schedule any nighttime trades.
	Welding?
	What do you think, Thor, as far as specific to nighttime?
	I actually think fabricating is probably a good place to go, and I'll tell you why.
	Out here, with all the construction, they have a lot of concrete delivery services, and at nights when they do all their servicing and repairs to the vehicles.
	Something like that could work, because the night shift would be where you would end up, even as a helper, and you could get your foot in the trade that way, fabricating, truck repair.
	They do all their mechanic work at night, so that's another thought, maybe becoming a diesel mechanic.
	Doing because they need those trucks during the day.
	Delivering concrete out to the construction sites.
	So that's a way to add a second job that has some skills in it at night while you're working your other job during the day.
	So hopefully that'll stir some ideas with you and propel you forward.
	Alright.
	What else do we got here?
	Bobby goes, what movie quote is most inspiring to you both and why?
	What movie quote hits the hardest?
	That's a random question, but all I'll say is it's not about how hard you can get hit.
	It's about how hard you can get hit and keep going forward.
	Rocky.
	Scarface.
	What?
	You know what I'm going to say?
	What?
	Forget about it!
	Say hello to my little friend!
	Don't underestimate the little guy in the corner.
	But then he died right after.
	Hey man, that's the only way it matters.
	It's the thought that counts!
	What about you, Thor?
	Make my day.
	Oh, okay.
	Clint Eastwood, right?
	Dirty Harry, if I'm not mistaken, right?
	Yes.
	We got Bobby in, he goes, In your opinion, what is the difference between displaying dominant and being controlling?
	In terms of what?
	I think he means being dominant versus being controlling.
	Yeah, he's talking about being with women.
	Guys, why can't y'all niggas stop talking about bitches for like one day, bro?
	This is an episode about making money and getting in trades and you guys over here thinking about fucking hoes, man.
	Like, bro.
	Come on, man.
	He's one of us, man.
	BBC gang.
	Bro.
	Mike, I can answer that right now.
	There's a huge difference between dominant and being controlling.
	Dominant is just being in control of yourself.
	Think of it this way.
	If you have really good problem-solving skills, you're dominating everything in your life.
	That's highly attractive.
	And you're not controlling anything except your life.
	And for people looking in, it looks like, you know, you really got your shit wired.
	Controlling is you don't have any of that shit wired, so you're telling everybody else to do stuff for you in an effort to either inflate your worth or to, you know, make up for the weaknesses that you have.
	Alright.
	Well said.
	So wise, man.
	Thor is that guy, bro.
	Absolutely.
	What else do we got here?
	Shut the wood in.
	That's his dad, bro.
	Hey, FNF, keep it to go work.
	Do you know about Todd V? And have you considered inviting him to the show?
	He is the best pickup game coach I've seen in recent time.
	It would be great to see him have a conversation with y'all.
	Todd's cool.
	Yeah.
	We spoke to Owen before, but...
	Yeah, I've never met Todd in person or spoken to him, but if you guys want that to happen, we can make it happen.
	Vell6 goes, I'm currently 17 in high school, turning 18 this Friday.
	I've been thinking about joining the Navy, but I've had second thoughts a lot of times.
	I just got a job working at a nursing home for $2,000 a month.
	Any advice?
	17 high school.
	He works at a nursing home right now, making $2,000 a month.
	That works out to about $24,000 per year.
	He's going to turn 18 very soon.
	He's thinking about joining the Navy but has second thoughts.
	What's your thoughts on that, Thor?
	I wonder what his second thoughts are.
	Is it because of the MOSs that they're offering?
	You could look at the other services.
	What about Air Force or even the Space Force if you're technically oriented and your ASVAB scores are enough?
	I'm not sure what his hesitations are with the military unless he is just a little hesitant because of his age.
	Yeah.
	I mean, dude, you're so young where you will do well.
	The military for young guys is really good, man.
	It teaches you structure.
	It teaches you how to use a firearm.
	It teaches you how to get in the gym and train.
	It teaches you discipline.
	It teaches you waking up early.
	It teaches you camaraderie.
	You learn so many masculine traits from being in the military.
	It's good.
	It's just good.
	And you get a GI Bill at the end of it.
	And then you can also pick up a couple of trades or certifications while you're in there for free, by the way.
	And then it will look great on your resume.
	I'll tell you this, man.
	There's really not much downside besides the fact that the military has you for about four years.
	I'll tell you another huge one.
	I think it's either four or six, but if you do that, I know it's not the best, but VA Medical can save you millions of dollars over your lifetime.
	That's true.
	That's all free.
	Yeah, that's true.
	If he ain't medical, that's a big one.
	I think he might be scared of dying, but you could do other jobs in the military, right?
	Yeah, I mean, you know, we gotta go into infantry, but, like, you know, I get it, too, because with, like, the global conflict, what we got going on right now with certain countries, you know what I'm saying?
	You gotta look at it this way, too.
	We're all gonna die.
	Yeah, that's true.
	So, you know, do the things you can do to prevent that from happening and move forward and put a grin on your face.
	Wipe the dirt off, stand back up, take a deep breath, and jump back in the arena.
	I could die tomorrow, man.
	I could step out of this house and get hit by a car or a truck.
	Yeah.
	It happens.
	It happens a lot, actually.
	It does.
	So, you know, because you joined the military.
	Mm-mm.
	To be fair, Myron and Thor's point, what's a better foundation for you?
	Nursing home or military?
	Yeah.
	All day military.
	Yeah, bro.
	Yeah, realistically.
	Here's what I like about that.
	The nursing home shows that he's a very compassionate person.
	I like that.
	The military can offer him medical training Such as a physician's assistant or something like that would make a ton of money, and they'd pay for all the training.
	So he could satisfy that need to be a very compassionate person, which is a good thing, actually.
	And they would teach him the discipline so he could exercise those skills in his civilian life.
	Bam.
	Nice.
	TJ King goes, what would be some decent machinist jobs?
	I'm currently working on an industrial grinder making $90,000 per year.
	Learn CNC language.
	CNC stands for computer and numerically controlled machines.
	These are the robot machines that make everything.
	The big machines.
	If you understand that language and the tooling to set it up for the production runs, those guys get paid a lot.
	Look up on Google, CNC machine operator.
	Bam.
	Okay.
	I'm hitting him out at the park right now.
	He goes, I'm a 23-year-old journey.
	NYC make $44 plus an hour.
	Double on as an OT union laborer.
	Been lazy this year.
	Didn't work much.
	But how can I invest from this job to get rich like you?
	And how long would I need to save to get my first house making $40 an hour?
	So he's saying, so he's at NYC. What was that, about 60, 50, 60 a year?
	Yeah, I think so.
	But he's saying he's an old Journey NYC. What does that mean?
	22 year old Journey NYC. I don't know.
	Let's just go with the number though.
	So it's a matter of mathematics.
	If your cost of living is consuming your salary, you got to make changes.
	You might want to go minimalist, but you need to be stacking away 20 to 25% of your net income into your savings all the time until you have at least, you start with three months salary, you earned a six month salary.
	Once you get to 10 months To 12 months of salary in the bank, you can take 50% of that, put it down on a house, buy it, and then you can rent it out so it covers the rest of the mortgage, gives you a little on the side, and that's how you start.
	This is not an overnight process.
	How long will it take you to put a year's salary in the bank at 20%, 25%?
	It's going to take you a minute, but guess what?
	You can get at least three months in there within the first nine months, ten months.
	Or he can even live in it the first time and only put 3.5% down if he doesn't want to buy as an investor as well.
	That's another way as well.
	But I wouldn't do that unless I had that in my back pocket.
	I have at least 3 months salary.
	How many of you guys have that?
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	You don't want to be house poor.
	We tell people all the time, you should have six months to a year.
	You know, three months I grew, which was bare minimum.
	Because best believe, things will happen to your property.
	Yes.
	Because it belongs to you now.
	Yes.
	So, get ready for it.
	I just had to spend $13,000 on fucking heating for one of my houses that, you know, that I just closed on.
	So, this is the game, bro.
	Place the roof, I understand.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know?
	Oh, bro.
	$25,000.
	Yeah.
	Holy.
	Yeah.
	Easily $10,000 to $20,000 on a roof.
	Easily.
	Wow.
	Hey, Thor, what do you think about completing courses as OSHA? I just completed the 30, 10, and scaffolding courses.
	I'm looking into getting into construction like my brother and dad who are trying to get me into the union.
	What do you think?
	OSHA courses, occupational safety and health administration courses, those are great to put on your resume to get your foot in the door.
	Okay.
	That's one more thing you can add to it.
	All right.
	I would recommend it.
	Yeah, if you're getting it, put that on the resume.
	Okay.
	Got y'all, man.
	Okay, this is an answer I want to answer.
	He's in Los Angeles, so yeah, anywhere there's a union, there's always nepotism, but there's ways around this.
	By making yourself useful and valuable.
	How would I do that?
	Local 47, IBEW out in Riverside.
	Go sign the books.
	Then you want to be able to sign the NJACT, which is the National Joint Nevada California Apprentice Program.
	You're going to want to make an application.
	You can find it online.
	However, if you do that and you didn't do any of the certifications that I told you about, there'll be a stack of applicants that are sitting above you that have those certs.
	So you want to get into that stack and you want to get close to where they're going to call you for an interview because they're calling a lot of guys, but they're calling the guys that already have those certs because that saves them a lot of of money to their contractors that they send these guys out to work for and it saves a lot of their training time because they're funded by the union and they don't want to spend their money.
	They want to train you the basics, but if you got some of this yourself, you're very valuable to take on one of these apprentice classes.
	They do three to four of these classes a year and that's a group of about 25 guys on each class.
	Okay.
	Local 47 and the JATC there in Riverside.
	Bam.
	And since he's in Los Angeles, he'll know where that's at.
	Okay.
	That's how you get around the nepotism.
	Okay.
	Man, guys, we're giving y'all, bro, we need some goddamn fire emojis in the chat or something like that because we're giving y'all a lot of sauce.
	I don't think there's any other podcast that's going to bring somebody on and answer your guys' question like this live on air that you guys can actually go ahead and ask.
	I mean, like, this is crazy.
	Unusually, as someone getting these trades, you learn by experience and making mistakes.
	He's telling you guys, word for word, from experience, what to do, to avoid the mistakes, to beat the learning curve and get ahead.
	That's W, man.
	Shout out to all the ninjas in here.
	W Thor.
	Okay, Nation goes, thoughts on firefighter paramedic career?
	I live in Dallas starting off at 73K as a trainee.
	I'm also a professional MMA fighter, 5-2, and I'm hoping to open an MMA gym on the side.
	Fuck Dylan Downers.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Thoughts on firefighter, paramedic career?
	I think it's a great profession.
	I love it.
	And I actually have some thoughts on the MMA gym.
	So in 1993, I joined a gym.
	It was called the Gracie Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Academy.
	My instructor went on to form and the UFC. And so six years of that, I opened a little Brazilian jiu-jitsu school where I was at and ran it for four years.
	Those are money losing operations, guys, when you're doing it on the side.
	You either do it full-time or you don't.
	I'm just telling you by experience, those are hard and they eat a ton of time from you because you end up doing everything.
	You can't hire enough people to do what you need.
	That's a nice fantasy to have, but listen to the experience.
	I spent thousands of dollars setting that thing up, and I loved every minute of it.
	I even had some students that were top 10 UFC fighters back in the mid-2000s that came from my school.
	And while I enjoyed Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, I eventually ended up stopping at From injury and it's a nice side hustle, but I would recommend something more proficient like, I don't know, consulting or something that takes less time.
	Online coaching, something like that.
	Anything.
	Yeah, that's just a real tough place to go.
	Thor, and I'm really glad that you mentioned that.
	You know, people have these aspirations a lot of times of opening a gym, etc.
	Guys, let me tell you, man, and I had some talks with Bradley Martin about this.
	Opening a gym is not, you know, all sunshines and rainbows like you guys think.
	It's very difficult.
	It's very time consuming.
	It's very involved.
	You know, I remember talking to Brad about the permits and getting everything.
	And he does it in LA, right?
	Depending on where you are, especially if you're trying to open up in a major city, it's not cheap.
	It's going to be expensive.
	It's going to be extremely time consuming.
	And for you to do it on the side...
	Are you prepared to operate in the red for a while?
	Are you prepared to operate where you're not making any profit and you might even be losing money?
	A lot of you guys are not okay with that.
	So think twice before you think about opening up a gym, guys.
	There's other ways to really leverage that interest and hobby or that passion that you have where consulting is fantastic, like Thor just said, or doing online coaching where you're teaching people.
	Online, how to get in shape or how to do something.
	I mean, with martial arts, it's a little bit different.
	You might have to meet them one-on-one for that or any combat training.
	But opening a gym, guys, especially as a part-time gig, as a side hustle, I don't think that's a thing that you could do as a side hustle.
	It's going to be your full-time thing.
	It's very involved, right?
	Even full-time is tricky, Myron.
	I'm good friends with John Fitch, former world champion.
	He has a gym, right?
	Yeah.
	No, I mean, he works with gyms because, you know, it is a liability to have your own.
	So he works and he does work out of gyms and he does his own thing.
	But, you know, he has to travel and do extra things.
	It is not as lucrative as you might think.
	Yeah.
	No, and I'm glad that we had this conversation because I think a lot of people, that's a dream for so many people, it's like to open a gym.
	And guys, it's not as easy as you guys think, man.
	You know what?
	We'll bring Bradley Martin back in and we'll talk about that.
	You know, about what it costs to open a gym, whatever.
	And keep in mind that he was wildly successful and had a big audience before he opened his gyms.
	That helps a lot.
	And that helps a lot too, right?
	Because people want to go to zoo culture all the time and, you know, Meet them and everything else like that, and it's an influencer-friendly gym, kind of like Christian Guzman, but these guys all built platforms before, and the gym is in their predominant mode of making money.
	They make money in other ways, right?
	And then the gym is kind of like an accessory to what they already have going on.
	They built a brand first, then they made a gym as a byproduct of that.
	Exactly.
	But yeah, gyms are a fucking money sink, man.
	Especially if you want to talk about the pandemic where they had the gyms closed for damn near two years.
	You're toast.
	Shut down.
	Eminence.
	I will say this.
	I know people that use that as an opportunity, and here's what they did.
	They had other businesses.
	And so by picking up a gym here and there that's failed, And they do it for different reasons.
	They lose money, but they offer an investment strategy when it comes to taxes.
	You're basically getting that on the back end, what you're spending on there with tax breaks and things like that as a loss.
	So some of these gyms are operating for a business that actually makes their money somewhere else.
	And this is kind of the sink.
	I don't want to get too much into it, but No, no, no.
	That's actually a fantastic point that you mentioned.
	They're already doing something extremely lucrative where it doesn't matter that they're redlining or in the red for their gym business because they're able to write that off as a loss and that counts against their real income from their real business that actually is profitable.
	That's pretty smart, actually.
	Yeah, a lot of people do that, actually.
	Wow.
	A lot of people.
	As a matter of fact, anytime I see someone wildly successful, they're doing something really...
	Like Christian, 90 million on Alphaly.
	He got to write some of that shit off somehow, right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it gets really interesting when you start actually acquiring some assets.
	You start learning about how to keep it in trust, hold it inside of an S corporation, and then spread it out.
	Myron, just a quick question.
	We don't have to go there, but I don't want to go down the rabbit hole, but you should be starting to buy your property with land trust at some point, right?
	Yeah, so I'm going to start putting my stuff under trust.
	I have a holding LLC, but I'm going to put that under a trust.
	That's the next step, actually.
	Smart, smart, smart.
	That is the next step, for sure.
	And thank you for reminding me, because I need to do that shit, actually.
	Trust is the way to go.
	Yeah, you got to do that.
	And I wanted to do it this year.
	Misa's homie goes, what's up boys?
	W Show, my wife and I decided to pull the trigger and start looking for our second property in San Diego.
	We plan on renting out our current townhouse even if it's at break even with the current mortgage so we'd own regardless in 20 to 25 years.
	No problem, man.
	Hey, bro.
	The property's going up in California always, so breaking even in California is fine.
	Even though, like I said before, I'm all about cash flow, but I understand your predicament.
	Your goal is to own the property free and clear, so I see that strategy.
	Jack goes, how do you get into niches within the trade such as ice road trucking, underwater welding, etc.?
	Start with a studio.
	Go to where the work is.
	Okay, being able to go to where the work is.
	Offer yourself as an intern.
	It's the best way and the quickest way to get in.
	Bam.
	Mesa's homie, boys, my wife and I decided to get a second property here in San Diego.
	We plan on renting our current...
	Nope, read that one.
	I guess he donated twice.
	Oh, okay.
	Or no, he did say we're both...
	Scroll up.
	He said we're both vets and got excellent credit with the current mortgage so we can own the asset in about 20.
	Okay.
	Yeah, man.
	That's fine.
	We got a lot of Rumble Rants.
	A lot of Rumble Rants?
	Okay.
	And then we'll close out here, guys.
	And Castle Club.
	And Castle Club too?
	Alright, we'll get these questions in right now.
	I'm traveling a wind turbine technician.
	Okay.
	And we start at 100K a year and are always hiring for any youngsters out there interested.
	Bam.
	There you go, man.
	You got someone in here, literally a turbine technician.
	I'm a generator technician.
	This is from Lazy Laz.
	I only had the knowledge of engines and making over 100k in two years, working a ton of overtime.
	Also, I have a company truck that I take home and do not pay for fuel.
	As long as you want to work, you get overtime.
	Fair enough?
	That's really good.
	Generator technician.
	Gal...
	Galvan goes, glad to see y'all doing a blue collar episode.
	I'm currently going down this path with my general contractor's license.
	You can apply for a contractor license in most states with no education or training and start pretty much any company with it.
	Landscaping, construction, painting, etc.
	Easy way to double your income with just a bit of self-drive.
	What's your thoughts on that, Thor, as far as getting a general contractor's license?
	I think it's absolutely wonderful.
	I know lots of guys that have done this, and especially, you know, being in power lighting trades, we work with a lot of contractors.
	Believe it or not, some of these huge electrical contractors, they're not electrical contractors.
	They hire subcontractors that are electrical contractors.
	They have a general contracting license to operate in the state.
	So having a general is very useful.
	It's very, very useful.
	Particularly if you're in construction and you're doing those services that require contracts and you're going to bid hard money on things, even cost plus contracting requires a contractor's license.
	So it's something that's very useful.
	Okay.
	What do we got up next here?
	I doubt there's a study out there, but I'm sure that there is a correlation with the decline of men going into blue-collar jobs and the pussification of society here, probably.
	Blue-collar jobs tend to be hard labor, require strong minds to work in all conditions, weather, fatigue, teamwork, critical thinking.
	If I had to put blue-collar workers in a box, I bet more often than not...
	They are men who would fight more often than freeze or take flight.
	Respect to all blue collar workers.
	Absolutely Aurelian.
	Real Trill Mike goes, I'm an IBEW 595 apprentice.
	Make 70k as a second year apprentice and top out at 130k as a JW. Biggest challenge for anyone going into the trades is being able to control their attitude.
	You will do the shit work.
	Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it.
	Fair enough, yeah.
	And Thor said that.
	Yes, and shout out Yeah.
	By J Real Music goes, How do you get into HVAC? I've been on the fence, but after hearing this pod with Thor makes me want to commit.
	WFNFL, Chris, JK. How does someone get into HVAC, Thor?
	Okay, use Google and type in HVAC trade school near me.
	Read about it, call that school, and just start asking, how do I get in?
	How do I get in?
	Do you have a placement program?
	Okay.
	That's probably the quickest way to do it.
	Okay.
	Or the other way to do it is to call a heating and air conditioning service company and make applications as a helper, to be a helper of an HVAC technician.
	See if you can pick up a job that way and go to school later.
	All right.
	By Real Music goes, I know you said have a high skill so you can save up and finance your side hustle.
	That's why I'm going into HVAC and doing my music in the spare time.
	I will make 1.5 to 2 times as much in music industry.
	Thoughts?
	WGuys, WPod.
	And is HVAC a good high income skill?
	Absolutely it is, my friend.
	Music is a tough industry, guys.
	My son is a professional musician.
	And where his money is is when he produces and writes because he gets residual.
	Anything else is just really low paid.
	We got here.
	Kano says, need advice.
	Parents sitting on paid-off multi-unit property.
	Should I leverage it to buy more doors, make it 200K a year, selling toilets, and have connections in the construction industry?
	Just bought my own second unit and redid kitchens.
	Appreciate the advice.
	No, man.
	Rent that out and hold it as long as you can.
	If you really want to go ahead and leverage that property, I would say put a home equity line of credit on it or cash out refinance.
	But I don't know if you want to cash out a refi with this high-ass interest rates.
	I would say put a home equity line of credit on that property if you really want to leverage it to buy more houses.
	Don't Never sell, guys.
	I am not a fan of selling your property, Thor.
	What's your thoughts on that?
	Well, I didn't quite understand.
	It was his parents' house.
	Is he on the deed?
	Yeah, it seems like he's going to get it or they're giving it to him or he has control of it to some degree if he's asking this question.
	If it's paid off and it's generating cash, why wouldn't you just sit on it for a while and then use the cash as a down payment for something else?
	There you go.
	There you go.
	I wouldn't necessarily...
	Put a mortgage on it if it's a good cash flow opportunity because when you do that, now you're spending some of that cash flow and paying that mortgage off and then you acquired another mortgage and you're starting to pay that off with the cash flow there.
	Unless you do the math right, what's the point?
	You have two mortgages, or you have one, and it's generating cash, and you use that as a down payment to open the other one on that property.
	It's just a different approach.
	I understand completely the need to use other people's money to get this thing going.
	It just depends on your level of risk.
	What I did is I would pay half down on these things, and then I'd work to pay them off, and then the cash flow I'd save until I had another 25%, 30%, and then go buy another one.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's a valid strategy as well.
	So you just kept buying them as an investor and you would put...
	Okay.
	Yeah, bro.
	Another thing you could do...
	But they're all paid off, so the cash flow's there.
	Yep.
	And they're worth significantly more because you bought in California, I'm assuming, right?
	Yeah.
	And then I started to move into actually, it's another one, is actually carrying the note and selling them.
	And there's a lot of reasons for that because it takes that illiquid asset and makes it pretty much liquid.
	I can get, since those notes that I carry are pretty much, you know, I can sell them at face value within a week.
	Gotcha.
	So not only am I got a 30-year note that I'm carrying and another company handles it for me, if I needed the cash, I could just sell it within a week.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	So I became a bank on at least a couple occasions.
	And then for that guy that asked that question, you can also do a home equity line of credit, bro.
	That way you can pretty much open, you know, you'll have the equity in that home.
	You could tap into about 70 to 80% of it.
	Yeah, you got to pay a small fee to keep that line open, but if you really want to sit there and buy other houses, whatever, that's another way.
	And then you can replenish that once you close on that house.
	Aviles goes, tried asking last week, but show ran out of time.
	Can you give advice on getting published pitfalls or struggles you found in solutions?
	Keep videos coming.
	I will do an episode on that.
	As far as writing a book, guys, and being an author, that's a whole other situation.
	And I'll bring Aaron Clary for that, because Aaron actually helped me with that a lot.
	Okay, guys?
	It's not easy.
	It's not easy.
	Then Boys goes, and you're also an author, Thor, as well.
	His book, it's Masculine Presence.
	A Dominant Masculine Presence.
	Which I actually have a copy signed.
	Thank you for sending those over by the way.
	Did y'all see the recent viral video of the Twitch mod hanging with the creator and she basically mask it in front of her followers?
	No.
	Antoine goes, will going to trade school for electrician help secure a lineman job?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	The more sorts the better guys.
	I've been thinking of getting my CDL although I have a bad driving record and I only had my license for now three years.
	How will that affect my journey on trying to get my CDL? Say that again.
	He has a CDL? He doesn't.
	He said he has a bad driving record and he's only had his regular license for three years.
	How would that affect his journey to getting a CDL? So, he understands a little bit about CDL. You can only have four points on your record, so you won't be getting a CDL until those points are four below.
	Oh, wow.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	That's a dot controlled thing.
	So they don't want bad drivers as a safety thing.
	So if you don't have that, you're going to have to struggle until they all have a time limit and they all go away unless you have a drunk driving.
	Now you're going to have to try to get that expunged.
	There you go.
	And you guys, you got to freaking pay off your tickets or whatever you may have as well.
	Realize this is a CDL. The legal limit to drunk, we all know, is 0.8, right?
	Yeah.
	If you have a CDL, it's 0.4, regardless of what you're driving.
	CDL, it's only 0.4.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Yeah, Chris can't get a CDL, bro.
	Not Chris.
	Trudger goes, 23-year-old, third-year electrician's apprentice, non-union work on road per diem in the trade.
	It seems like you are capital licensing.
	Can't open a business without a master's license.
	How do I combat this?
	I don't know.
	I don't know how to answer that one.
	All right.
	Topshade goes, my FNF gents, what's good?
	My question, so Thor, I'm currently a director of a company that involves a rare craftsmanship, plumbing, electrician, and carpentry, but I signed a non-compete, so can I own, so I can my own.
	Yeah.
	What is the terms of your non-compete?
	Are you able to mix those crafts up and have something essentially different?
	You need to get a lawyer to look at the non-compete.
	Gotcha.
	Because you signed it, and there was obviously an advantage to doing that.
	So if you're going to change that business up, make sure it doesn't involve the non-compete.
	Those are usually pretty strong.
	But if you change enough significantly and have attorneys look at that non-compete enough to where it's solid, you'll be okay.
	But that's what you have to do.
	You're going to have to get attorneys involved.
	Okay.
	And then we're going to read a few more of these guys and close out.
	I own an HVAC company and I hire people that don't know anything in the field starting at $20 an hour here in Illinois and a lot of states.
	So you don't need to go to school or get a license to work with a company.
	Fair enough.
	That's not bad.
	That's true.
	Step of Snide goes big up FNF from Jamaica.
	I joined the military back in 2016 as a medical logistics specialist, CDL, logistical skills, accounting.
	Learn a lot of discipline and learn a lot of social skills for free over 100K easy.
	Yep, absolutely.
	Oh my God!
	Moreover says, I think the non-compete has lapsed.
	It's possible to potentially build clientele to start on my own 300K plus due to word of mouth with my abilities within the trade.
	What are your thoughts?
	Okay, then you're good then because that was the whole thing that Thor was answering.
	Yeah, make sure you have a lawyer read it.
	If it's not complete, bro, you might get screwed.
	Do what Thor said.
	Hire a lawyer.
	Have them look over it.
	Make sure that you've actually completed that term because typically these non-competes have a term appeared.
	And then if that's good, then you're good to go, Topshay.
	We got here Josh Jeremiah.
	I'm an IBEW inside wireman from the Bay Area.
	I just turned out and saved up.
	Just purchased my first multi-unit.
	The trades are a great way to invest in assets.
	Plus the benefits are great.
	Stay safe.
	Shout out to you, Josh.
	Hey, shout back.
	Those narrowbacks that do inside wiremen, they're craftsmen, they're artists.
	I see what they do in the substations.
	Much appreciated, but they're still narrowbacks.
	Jer goes, I'm currently a heavy-duty mechanic in Utah.
	Make it close to 30 an hour or 22.
	Any tips I can get to make more?
	I have no certifications or schooling.
	No, you need to expand your base.
	You're going to need to get certs and start being aggressive and pursuing different jobs.
	You need to level up.
	You guys know that a lot of times you'll sit in a job and you get paid a certain amount.
	You know the best way to get your boss to give you a raise?
	Go to another boss.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	Noem Billy goes to Thor.
	I personally refuse to work for a union for political reasons.
	How can someone get into, let's say, an electrician field without going into a union?
	So I totally understand that.
	I will say this, being in probably the most communist state that we have and working with some of these union guys, it's not as bad as you think.
	There's guys that think like us inside there that do push back silently.
	So if you don't want to do it because of political reasons, you can go to a right-to-work state, no problem.
	You can work there.
	And usually the cost of living is quite a bit better in a right-to-work state.
	So you have options.
	Or you can work within the game to beat the game.
	So that's a valid strategy too.
	And that one lives in Washington State.
	Okay.
	Chris Drobin goes, third year in the plumbing, going into an open shop route, non-union, only getting paid 18 an hour in SoCal.
	What am I doing wrong?
	Should I go union or continue learning on the job?
	So the difference here in California, if you go union, you're going to quadruple that.
	That hourly.
	And you're going to get a pension.
	And yeah, you may not agree with them politically, but they offer safety programs, training programs that non-unions do not.
	Straight up.
	Let's just be honest about it.
	And that's what they get.
	The bulk of their dues goes to safety programs, training, all that stuff.
	It's not the bulk of their dues goes to political action committees.
	It's not.
	In most of these unions, the books are open for memberships to see.
	Yeah, sometimes they have a list of people they want you to vote for that you would hate, but you don't have to be a political activist to join a union or to work another angle at it, and you can get the money now.
	So in certain circumstances, like in California, being nonunion is going to be extremely difficult as a power lineman to even compete.
	Bro, drop the ego.
	Join the union, bro.
	Yeah.
	No brainer.
	Yeah, seriously.
	It seems that way.
	26, live in Texas.
	Have my CD. I'll make a 70k after taxes.
	How do I get to 100k already working overtime?
	Working on the road?
	Oh, working on the road.
	I'm sorry.
	So working on the road, you want to get to 100k.
	You need to pursue, you need to go where work that pays you what you want is.
	I mean, that's really the answer.
	Okay.
	Or change careers and do a job that's easier or an industry that's easier to make 100k.
	Okay.
	That's the only way I can really answer that without knowing the other details.
	Yeah.
	Or get more sorts like you said before.
	I have experience with forklift and reach truck.
	Is there any money to be made in that field?
	Forklift and reach truck?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the next step would be to get a cert for a fixed cab crane.
	It's the next one that's not too expensive and that'll probably double your salary.
	Bam.
	Let's do.
	Bam.
	Yo, we're giving you guys crazy value.
	Excuse me, Thor's giving you guys crazy value.
	I do infantry.
	You build a fighting position, practice the attack, defend an area or building using terrain.
	If you do something that is of use as a civilian, please, GI Bill and VA is fire too, okay?
	Okay.
	You're right, Myron and Thor.
	After the Marine Corps in the 04 moved to North Carolina, became a fireman for 16 years, worked at three different fire departments, a captain for one, made 175K per year by 29.
	Shout out to you, my friend.
	Good work.
	If I had to do it again, I would have went into the fire department somewhere like California.
	Man, the benefits are incredible.
	The hours are good.
	Yeah, sometimes you work three days straight, and those guys bust their ass, but I know a lot of firemen, and that's a decent career.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anything else on Rumble?
	Yeah, we got like three more.
	Okay.
	Thor, I'm 26 years old, three years experience at Carpentry, now eight years in total in multiple construction fields.
	I'm only making $28 an hour.
	I would like to get into the union, but I can't afford the pay decrease.
	Any suggestions?
	Can't afford the pay decrease.
	I'm not sure what that means.
	It sounds like I have to make an assumption.
	To get in the union, they're going to make you do a four-year apprenticeship again, so you're going to lose some salary.
	If that's the case, then maybe you need to go somewhere where carpenters make more money with the skill set that you've earned.
	If the union is offering you really good training and you can tighten your belt and at the end of that apprenticeship you can double your salary as it is now, Then it might be worth it.
	Especially if you can get a traveling card and once you have attained that certification and that journeyman status, you can go somewhere else where the actual high paying work is.
	I didn't mention that before, but something called a travel card.
	Where a lot of these unions are international and if you pay the extra dues for a travel card, you can sign books where all the high paying jobs are.
	I remember a friend that's a glazer.
	And when I say a glazer, these guys would put in the windows on the high rises, you know, hundreds of stories up.
	Yeah.
	And that's how they operated, too.
	They'd get a traveling card.
	They could go all the way to Dubai and put windows in the Burj Khalifa and get triple their salary, you see.
	There's lots out there.
	If you just start putting your mind to finding it, believe it or not, you guys all travel.
	You see a bunch of guys working, linemen, firemen, go over there and say, hey, what's up, guys?
	You know, doing a good job.
	You know, how are you doing?
	And then they look and say, good kid, how are you doing?
	Say, I'm living the dream, man.
	How do I get where you're at?
	Boom.
	You're in.
	You can talk to them now.
	Most of them will tell you what to do.
	Yeah.
	W glazing.
	Yeah.
	Okay, Colorado Roughneck goes, been drilling for all eight years.
	If you're not lazy and like time off, get on a rig.
	No car needed.
	Just work ethic.
	Look up drilling companies for...
	Floor hand positions.
	Floor hand positions.
	No experience necessary.
	Usually starting at $28 an hour, 14 days on...
	Wait, $28 an hour, 14 days on, 14 off.
	Okay, not bad.
	Two weeks on, two weeks off.
	Anything else?
	Yeah, we got like...
	Three?
	Hold on.
	Three more?
	Okay.
	And then we're going to close this thing out, guys, because we got the girls here and we got to get going with the after hours.
	But we'll definitely do another part on this.
	We can actually do one, probably where open Q&A, where we just answer questions like this.
	But I wanted to introduce you guys to Thor first, so you guys know who he is.
	But obviously you can see here...
	Giving y'all crazy value, man.
	Answering questions off the fly.
	Nef goes, Hey Thor, I've been trying to become an electrician, but I've been kicked out of 109 programs.
	Am I the problem or the program?
	Oh no, that's messed up, bro.
	He's trolling.
	Don't answer that.
	Kano goes, WFNF with the fire advice.
	Shout out to you, Kano.
	6.9.
	Blue Jay, yeah, of course.
	I'm 25 years old.
	I live with my mom and I produce, and I'm a produce clerk at BJ's.
	I've been hesitant to getting into HVAC, but I'm interested in getting that high-income skill to fund my side hustle music industry, independent artists.
	Is it a good high-income skill?
	And I'm also doing copywriting in the real world.
	WGSWPodLChrisJK.
	Yes, bro.
	It is definitely a very high-income career.
	Very good.
	It's worth it, yeah.
	You can make $100K a year easily doing HVAC. We discussed it earlier in the show.
	You might have just tuned in soon, recently.
	But yes, my friend, go ahead and get it.
	Anything?
	What else here?
	I think that's it.
	I think that's it.
	Thor, where can people find you, man?
	Hey, you can find me right here at becomedurable.com.
	I offer quite a bit there from consults to an actual video lecture on how to become a journeyman power lineman.
	Where do you start?
	Where do you get these certs?
	And I also include in that a complete list of colleges that specialize in teaching linemen how to get these jobs.
	All across the United States and Canada.
	And the price of that is like $88.
	The cost of an hour that a German lineman out here in California earns.
	So Byron has an affiliate link for that.
	Use his affiliate link if you're interested in this.
	No excuses, guys.
	Get in there.
	It's not expensive.
	Yeah.
	So becomedurable.com is where everything's at.
	And then, of course, I just released a book on Amazon, A Dominant Mask in the Presence.
	You guys might enjoy that.
	There's seven skills in there of A Dominant Mask in the Presence.
	I think you guys will be able to identify across all high-value men.
	So it goes a little bit beyond alpha and beta.
	So hopefully you guys will take a look at that.
	That's me.
	You can find me also at RP4 YouTube.
	And of course, I'm a panel member on Rule Zero.
	And then I do the Dragon Ship once a week on Saturday.
	So come say hi over there.
	Go support Thor, man.
	Go support Thor, guys.
	This is the uncle you never had, man.
	Yeah.
	So now, man, he's had a lot of experience.
	He's been around.
	So definitely go check him out, guys.
	Thor, thank you so much for coming on the show.
	We'll bring you back.
	We'll probably do like a whole Q&A on this because I could see that guys have a lot of questions.
	I knew y'all would have a lot of questions.
	So, you know, we're going to do more of these blue-collar slash trade-type episodes for you guys on Money Mondays.
	And I don't want to hear no more fucking excuses, man.
	None of y'all should be broke.
	We're going to give you guys the tools and arm you guys with the knowledge to get out there and become successful, okay?
	Anyway, guys, we'll be back with some lovely ladies in a little bit.
	Probably within the hour.
	Thor, thank you so much for coming on.
	Love you guys.
	Peace.
	Thank you, Thor.

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