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Nov. 11, 2023 - Fresh & Fit

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Red Pill v Liberal Feminists: HEATED Debate

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	Thank you.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to Fresh Air Podcast, man.
	We got a special one for you guys.
	It's going to be a discussion on a bunch of different things, man.
	It's going to probably be a debate.
	We'll see what happens.
	Let's get into it.
	Let's get into it.
	Nobody cares, bro.
	Get out. Get out. Get out.
	Put your shoes on outside.
	You don't got to put them on in here.
	All right.
	We are back.
	What's up, guys?
	One and fresh air podcast.
	After our edition, man, we'll join with a full panel here, man.
	It's going to be a good one.
	Ten girls.
	Okay, Chris, you want to go ahead and get...
	No, no, no.
	I'm just saying.
	Ten girls, man.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	It's a Friday, too.
	Good job, Chris.
	He couldn't even wait until I get my announcements.
	He had to go ahead and give himself a pat on the back in the first few seconds, man.
	I'll tell you guys this.
	I know we're going 50-0, but if you guys make fun of Chris, I'll do it at 20.
	Because you guys were roasting up last stream.
	That was hilarious.
	Anyway, quick enough for getting to show.
	Number one, guys, rumble.com slash FreshFit.
	As you guys know, we make a bunch of content that might not necessarily be safe for YouTube.
	We're kind of like in YouTube jail.
	So go ahead and check us out over there if anything does happen in thecastleclub.tv.
	And then also, check me out on Twitter, guys.
	As you guys know, I made a new Twitter, UnplugFitX.
	Within three days of being on there, I got banned.
	Really?
	But I'm back.
	He's back.
	I just tweeted just now.
	Take his phone off.
	Don't refresh the page about the tweet I just recently did.
	I will not.
	But yeah, just guys, go check it out.
	Unplugged FedEx, man.
	I'm going crazy on there.
	I'm posting like damn near 10 tweets a day and shit.
	I'm pretty much just like giving y'all all kinds of sauce on there.
	Are you going to comment on the circus?
	I did make a comment on it.
	Only on Twitter if you guys want to see it.
	Unplugged FedEx.
	Go check it out.
	I'm trying to get it to 100k.
	And it's already at 21-something and we just started.
	So shout out to you guys.
	Good job.
	Take it from the way.
	And then, guys.
	See our network, man.
	Hop into that, man.
	It's a brotherhood.
	Always adding value.
	Give it back as well.
	And we do memberships and masterminds.
	We did Columbia recently.
	It was amazing.
	Miami as well.
	Our next one might actually be Mexico, but tune in for that.
	Join as well.
	New Mexico or Mexico?
	Mexico.
	Oh, okay.
	Cool.
	Other than that, guys, let's go ahead and introduce...
	Oh yeah, Chris, my bad.
	You gotta talk again.
	Make sure, if you want to come on to our show tonight...
	Fuck it, you know what?
	I need to hit anybody for tonight, man.
	Fuck it, man.
	It's gonna be a long show tonight.
	It's already here.
	One of those nights, Chris.
	Shout out to the panel of girls.
	And guys, I hope back home you have your Advil, your drink ready, your shots, whatever you got going on for your headaches.
	But let's get it.
	Yeah, um...
	Yes.
	Yeah, Chris is already going to get you.
	So I hope you guys enjoyed what you just heard because that is the most coherent.
	You're going to hear Chris for the rest of the show.
	You're not going to be able to make out anything else he says during the rest of this podcast.
	Alright, so I hope you guys enjoyed that.
	Good job, Chris.
	Alright, so we'll start on the couch to have you guys introduce yourselves.
	Yes.
	We'll start right here.
	What's your name?
	Hi, my name is Nadia.
	Okay.
	How old are you?
	I'm 23.
	Okay, where are you from?
	I'm from London.
	Okay.
	Are you just here visiting or do you live here now?
	I live here now.
	Okay.
	When did you move here?
	I moved here last year.
	Okay.
	What do you do for it?
	I do customer service in marketing.
	Okay.
	What's your highest education level completed?
	Undergraduate.
	Okay.
	So you have your bachelor's degree?
	Yeah.
	In what?
	Politics.
	Okay.
	What school did you go to?
	I went to University of East Anglia.
	It's in the north of England.
	Okay.
	Oh, it's alright.
	Alright.
	And then what's your relationship status?
	Single.
	All right.
	Are you about to count?
	About ready to mingle.
	Okay.
	And are your parents still together?
	Yeah, they're still together.
	Okay.
	How long they've been together?
	Like 30 years.
	All right.
	Cool.
	What about you?
	I'm Pixie.
	I'm 24 years old.
	Where are you from?
	I was born and raised in Puerto Rico.
	Okay.
	Yeah, 17 years.
	Okay.
	And what do you do for work?
	I'm a streamer.
	Okay.
	And then what's your highest education level completed?
	Undergraduate degree.
	Okay, from where and what?
	University of Florida, and I technically have three degrees, philosophy, psychology, and economics.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And then, uh, relationship status?
	Single, but I have a crush.
	Okay.
	Who's your crush?
	Well, it's you, Fresh.
	Is he a streamer?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, we brought Rolo here for you.
	How do I count as a streamer?
	And then, are your parents still together or are they divorced?
	They are still together.
	Okay.
	For how long?
	Like, I think 30 years around there.
	Alright.
	Cool.
	What about you?
	Hey, y'all!
	Hi, my name is Paige.
	With an I in the middle?
	Yes.
	How old are you?
	26.
	Where are you from?
	Born in Jamaica but raised in New York.
	What part of New York are you from?
	My family moved to Brooklyn and then I was raised in like Mount Vernon.
	Okay.
	Not too far.
	What do you do for work?
	I'm a clinical engineer.
	Okay.
	And then what's your higher education level completed?
	My Bachelor's of Science in Biomedical Engineering.
	Okay, cool.
	Relationship status?
	Single.
	Alright, and then are your parents still together?
	Yeah, they've been together my whole life.
	Alright, so 26 years to your knowledge, maybe longer.
	Exactly.
	Alright, cool.
	What about you?
	Hey everyone, my name is Amy Dangerfield.
	I'm 28 years old from Australia.
	Boo.
	I'm genuinely curious.
	Are you guys going to make fun of the accent as much tonight with another fellow Aussie on the panel?
	I'm really curious.
	No!
	They would never.
	They would never.
	Aussie, Aussie, Aussie!
	Fake accent.
	Me?
	Me?
	Don't do that.
	There's a big rumor going on right now.
	You're fueling it.
	Please stop.
	The accent is completely false.
	It's fake.
	Really?
	Please stop.
	No, I lived there my whole life, bro.
	Oh my god.
	Sorry, Myron.
	What's the next question?
	No way!
	What part of Australia are you from?
	Gold Curse, Queensland.
	Doesn't exist.
	But I was actually, funnily enough...
	Funnily enough, I was actually born in Stirling, Australia.
	Named after this guy.
	Oh my gosh.
	Okay.
	What do you do for it?
	I am a program...
	Rock crocodiles?
	That.
	And I'm also a program director for Patrick Beck David at Valuetainment.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That is a real thing.
	Thank you.
	And then, highest education level completed?
	Associates in Justice and Legal.
	All right.
	Which is the CJ equivalent in America.
	Okay.
	Relationship status?
	Newly in a relationship.
	Okay.
	Congratulations.
	How long have you been together?
	My ex actually just asked me back out on our four-year anniversary.
	What would have been our four-year anniversary, which was just very recent.
	Now that you got a job.
	Okay.
	Now that I got a job.
	You got money now?
	Okay.
	And then are your parents still together?
	My dad passed when I was quite young.
	Okay, so I'll just put...
	N.A. N.A., not applicable.
	Your mom was widowed.
	Okay, what about you?
	What's your name?
	Hi.
	Sorry.
	Hi, my name's Lexi.
	I was originally born in Florida, but I'm from like the Philly area now.
	Okay, how old are you?
	I'm 22.
	Okay, and you're from Philly, you said originally?
	Yeah, I'm not a city girl, so like the suburbs of Philly, but I was born in Florida, the Tampa area.
	Where, like Drexel Hill?
	What are we talking?
	I was born in Dunedin.
	Okay.
	Yeah, you weren't getting that as middle of nowhere.
	Alright.
	Okay, but you live in Miami now, you said?
	No, no, no.
	I still live in the Philly area.
	I'm here on vacation.
	Okay.
	Alright then.
	What do you do for work?
	So, I'm a school bus driver, but I'm also in the Army National Guard.
	Nice.
	What's that like, man?
	Telling kids to sit down and behave and shit.
	Because that's a tough job.
	Fuck them kids.
	That was my dad's joke.
	Actually, my kids are pretty awesome.
	And I have an aide because we have some special needs kids.
	So honestly, I don't have to hold it down.
	She just holds it together.
	I just drive.
	It's awesome.
	What's your MOS? I'm a 15 Quebec.
	I'm an air traffic controller.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	Wait.
	You can drive?
	Yeah, I have my CDL. You said your Army National Guard?
	Yes.
	Do you have a PPL? PPL? Private pilot's license.
	No, no, no.
	I would never go to see your school.
	Oh, God.
	Just out of curiosity, if your MOS is your air traffic controller, why don't you do that in the civilian world?
	It's super stressful, and the Army sets you up for failure, so they, even though they train you to be an air traffic controller, they don't actually set you up to be able to take it to the civilian side.
	Only the Air Force really gets to, because they deal with actual planes.
	We just deal with, like, helicopters.
	Ah, okay.
	You're with a cavalry unit.
	Oh, okay.
	No, I'm the, I think it's like 18th ID... Okay.
	Okay.
	Because, yeah, I mean, air traffic controllers, it's a six-figure job, but it's typically always in the top five or ten for most stressful jobs.
	Yeah, it's blood money.
	Yeah, it's very difficult.
	But, you know, it's a good gig.
	It's a backup job.
	Alright, so, highest education level completed?
	So, I'm currently a student pursuing my bachelor's, but completed high school so far.
	Okay.
	What are you studying?
	Psychology, but I would like to get my master's in teaching English as a second language.
	Okay.
	And you're obviously on your GI Bill, so it's for free.
	Yes, sir.
	Nice.
	Okay, and then relationship status?
	I am in an open relationship with my boyfriend.
	He's actually watching right now.
	Alright.
	Wait, open on whose end?
	Both ends.
	Stupid!
	He does OnlyFans, so like...
	He does OnlyFans?
	Yes.
	You don't?
	No.
	This'll be fun.
	Let's see.
	Oh, interesting dynamic.
	Gay content.
	So it's open on both of your ends?
	Yes.
	You can see other men and he can see other women?
	Yes.
	Question.
	Do you actually see other men?
	Not really.
	Like, I... I can, and sometimes I do, but not really.
	I don't have much interest in it.
	So you do?
	So you do.
	Sometimes.
	You do?
	Yeah.
	Sterling.
	Wait, hold on.
	Sometimes is you do.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, let me get this straight.
	He does OF. You see other guys.
	Do you do OF with him or no?
	No, no.
	Like, I... Do you film?
	Do you film for them?
	I'm sorry.
	Does he film with other girls?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Oh, so you fluff them.
	That explains it.
	And then also, you got a clearance?
	Yeah, yeah.
	You can't do that.
	I want to work for somebody someday, so I personally...
	You can't do that with a clearance, yeah.
	Yeah, that'll fuck her up immediately.
	Wait, come on.
	Does he post, like...
	Actually, you know, never mind.
	Never mind.
	I don't ever go there.
	Just ask it, man.
	You already started.
	Because you're cool with him being with other girls, right?
	So you're going to post them on his page, but, like, he won't post you, which means...
	Does people know that he's with you?
	Mm-hmm.
	So they know about you?
	I'm sorry?
	The girls that he films with, they know about you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm just wondering, because in that dynamic there, he's single, so to speak.
	Yeah, a lot of people don't agree with it.
	I understand.
	Okay.
	Who proposed the idea of being open, just out of curiosity, you or him?
	So when he asked me out, I was like, well, you're on OnlyFans.
	He was like, we can do open.
	I was like, okay.
	So he did it kind of to, I don't want to say lure you in, but like to make you feel better about him having other partners.
	Probably.
	Okay.
	And then what's your, are your parents still together?
	No.
	Okay.
	When did they divorce?
	I think when I was like two.
	Like they've been divorced as long as I can remember.
	Okay.
	Do you ever hold the camera?
	That's what I did once, but only once.
	Because it was a little uncomfortable for me.
	I don't like to be there for it.
	Not a cuck.
	Not a cuck?
	Okay.
	Halfway there, but not full cuck.
	Is he smashing raw?
	Huh?
	Is he smashing the girls raw?
	Oh god, no.
	He's wearing a condom while he's filming.
	Yes.
	That's very rare.
	I really don't know much about OnlyFans, honestly.
	Hold on, but she's not there most of the time, though, so she wouldn't even know.
	Yeah, I guess you're right.
	I just know how it works, bro.
	Do you subscribe?
	No.
	Okay.
	I don't personally care to watch.
	Does it make you more uncomfortable if she's more attractive or less attractive?
	Yeah.
	More uncomfortable.
	If she's more attractive, then it makes you more uncomfortable.
	Yes.
	Correct.
	Yes.
	If I'm going to be honest.
	Okay.
	That's always the answer, yes.
	Makes sense.
	Like, I'm not going to sit here and lie.
	I mean, yes.
	It's still a little uncomfortable whenever it happens, but he wants to move away from it eventually.
	It makes him good money, so I don't want to hold him back from that.
	I see a future with him, hopefully, so I'm willing to deal with it now for the future.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Most of you guys recognize me.
	Jasmine Jafar, the 304 lawyer, the lawyer who does OnlyFans.
	I'm 28.
	Where are you from?
	Portland, Oregon.
	Highest level of education as a Juris Doctor.
	And my parents are still together.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	And then...
	Relationship status?
	Single.
	Okay.
	Fingers.
	And then you said your parents are still together.
	How long?
	Probably like 32 years now.
	Yo, Chatsang Castle right now.
	I mean, you guys asked me back.
	I wasn't planning on talking to you guys again.
	You guys asked me.
	Yeah, well, like I said before, they just didn't want you on last time in the chat.
	That's what the chat said.
	They're already putting them castles?
	What the fuck, man?
	I'm sorry, Jasmine, I don't know you, but what the fuck is this?
	What did you say last time?
	I said that college-educated women are less likely to get divorced, which is true, and they don't like that.
	All right, that's fine.
	Well, that's not all.
	No, that's literally what happened.
	You said one thing.
	I said that, and I said, age gaps also increase your likelihood of divorce.
	And then I said, look it up.
	And he said, the chat says it's wrong.
	And then I said, instead of listening to your illiterate chat, why don't we look it up?
	And they said, I have to go.
	I feel like this is coming anyway, so let's just move on.
	So I checked before I came back.
	I said, are you guys okay?
	They said, yeah, we won't kick you off.
	Sorry for being curious.
	Let's move on.
	No, no, no.
	You guys are fine.
	It's going to come up anyway.
	By the way, we got a big super chat.
	Shout out to Wayne.
	He goes, welcome to the Avenger Brain.
	What?
	Shit.
	Trust?
	Trust on FNF. Let's have a great show tonight.
	Shout out to you, Wayne.
	To the Avenger Brain.
	Trust on FNF. Shout out to Wayne, man.
	Yo, man.
	Glad to have you back, bro.
	It's been a while.
	He's still been active.
	Oh, he's still been active?
	Yeah.
	Okay, just under a different name probably?
	No, no, no, no.
	He just be calm and shy.
	He's modding and stuff.
	Oh, okay.
	Shots from Wayne.
	What about you?
	What's your name?
	Hi, I'm Gabby.
	Okay.
	How old are you, Gabby?
	I'm 21.
	Okay.
	Where are you from originally?
	Miami.
	Are you Caucasian?
	No, my dad is Cuban, so I'm Hispanic.
	We don't have this in Texas.
	There's all these blonde women from Cuba.
	In Texas, we just have Mexican women who look Mexican.
	Here, there's no Mexicans.
	It's just Cuban women who look blonde.
	It's very confusing.
	Gabby, your cross is not showing properly.
	Thank you.
	What do you do for work?
	I'm a full-time student.
	Okay.
	What are you studying?
	Psychology.
	Okay.
	You can drop, if you want, where at?
	FIU. FIU. Okay.
	Whoa, who said that?
	I knew it.
	I knew it.
	The Panthers.
	Okay.
	What's your relationship status?
	Single.
	Okay.
	Knew it.
	That was fast.
	Are your parents still together?
	No.
	Damn.
	When did they divorce?
	I was about nine.
	So in Miami, something called the Cuban divorce.
	What is that?
	Tell the people.
	You don't want to know.
	Tell me.
	I would like to know because I don't even know.
	You don't know?
	No.
	Basically it's when the woman actually cheats and the man kills her and himself.
	Whoa.
	Yeah, it's fucked up.
	It's fucked up.
	Okay, let's move on.
	Alright.
	Okay.
	Goddamn.
	Fatality.
	Alright, what about you?
	What's your name?
	My name is Skye.
	Hello.
	How old are you?
	I'm 23.
	Okay, where are you from?
	I'm from New York.
	New York in the building?
	Brooklyn?
	Yes.
	Okay, did we pat her down on the way in, guys?
	No.
	She's barely wearing anything.
	Okay, the girls in the back are looking at me in blank stares, so no.
	That's not good.
	Okay, what do you do for her?
	I'm a full-time student, a nursing student.
	Wait, nurse?
	Nurse?
	I knew that was coming.
	What's your background?
	I'm Puerto Rican.
	I knew it!
	You have kids?
	No kids.
	You're different.
	Okay.
	Highest education level completed?
	I have an associate's in biomedical sciences.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	And then, what's your relationship status?
	I am in a relationship.
	Okay.
	How long have you been together?
	Five years.
	Good job!
	Thank you.
	That's great.
	And then, are your parents together?
	Yes, they are.
	26 or 27 years.
	Okay.
	Nice.
	Thank you, Paul.
	Wait, hold on.
	I'm guessing you're on birth control.
	Yeah.
	Gotta be, bro.
	That's it, bitch!
	Yo, because, dude, Myron is so fertile, bro.
	I swear to God.
	They don't even have to have sex and then have babies.
	You're a genius.
	They watch YouTube videos when they're pregnant.
	Oh.
	They don't want to answer that, honestly, though.
	You think so?
	That's true.
	They wouldn't answer it, yeah.
	They wouldn't answer it, bro.
	I think that Myron should add to his list of introductory questions.
	Are you on birth control?
	That tells you so much of the rip.
	You know what?
	This will be the first show.
	Thumbs up and stuff like that.
	Let's get it.
	What about you?
	What's your name?
	Hi, I'm Jade.
	How old are you, Jade?
	I'm 21.
	What do you do for work?
	I'm a private coach at UFC Fit.
	Okay.
	You have CFIT? Yeah.
	It just opened.
	Do you train like MMA or something like that?
	No, I just do like private coaching for women.
	Okay.
	Help them get in shape.
	Lifting weights?
	Okay.
	So you're a personal trainer.
	And then where are you originally from?
	I'm from Miami.
	Okay.
	Red flag.
	Are you also Cuban?
	I am.
	I'm half Cuban, half Jamaican.
	You would never know, bro.
	Nobody believes me when I say that.
	I was like, are you from Anaheim or fucking Laguna Beach?
	That's what I was asking.
	Can you give us, like, a Jamaican rap?
	Accent.
	Please.
	Bommaclot.
	Just say Bommaclot.
	Bommaclot.
	My mom's watching this, so she's gonna laugh at me.
	My mom is the Jamaican one?
	Yes.
	Is she like a light-skinned Jamaican?
	Yes.
	She's like your color, but a little lighter.
	Am I considered light skin?
	No, light skin.
	He's going to see the sand niggas.
	I thought you had a sand niggas.
	You know what time it is.
	Aloha, man!
	Okay, what's your highest education level completed?
	I'm still in school.
	Do you know Spanish?
	No.
	It actually sucks because I work in Doral and there's so many Spanish speakers so I miss out on so many clients.
	My dad, he was in the household and he speaks Spanish but he never spoke it to me.
	I mean, it's up to you.
	Do you want to drop where you go to school?
	Are you also FIU? Are you guys friends?
	Yes.
	Figured.
	And then what's your relationship status?
	I'm single.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Out of you two, who's the most trouble?
	Both of us together.
	Alone, we're good.
	What do you define trouble?
	We're a different kind of trouble.
	College girls are the worst, man.
	Like, I get called trouble a lot by, like, my face, but no evidence behind it.
	Because you hide it.
	No.
	It's the eyes.
	Yeah.
	It's the eyes.
	It's the eyes.
	No.
	Fantastic.
	All right.
	And then, are your parents together?
	They actually separated when I was 18.
	Okay, so literally three years ago.
	Okay, but your childhood was with both of them.
	Were you in college or was it before you went to college?
	I was transitioning into college, yeah.
	Do you think they waited until you were transitioning for them to divorce?
	I don't think so.
	It wasn't like that.
	It was a series of events that happened because we moved around a lot and it just was like financial stuff.
	So you saw it coming?
	Oh yeah.
	I was trying to get my mom to leave him.
	Wow.
	You were trying.
	Yeah, because I was just very defensive for my mom because I knew she was in the right as a kid.
	What did he do?
	He was just very like...
	Machismo?
	No.
	He was just very...
	Bumbaclut.
	Loud and verbally.
	Abusive?
	Yeah, he would just curse a lot and make a big deal out of small things.
	Tell me, did he hit her or cheat on her?
	He cheated on her I think once when I was...
	Thank you.
	When I was in the belly.
	Okay.
	She stayed.
	Definitely Jamaican.
	Did he hit her?
	I think there was like a time, but it wasn't.
	Hey man, he's Jamaican, man.
	That's the way it is, man.
	Definitely Jamaican.
	Suck it up.
	Well, the mom's the Jamaican one.
	Yeah, my dad is the Cuban.
	Oh, shit.
	Got it wrong.
	It's usually the other way around, but in this case, this is a rare case where, you know, yeah.
	Luckily, there's no Cuban divorce, luckily.
	They don't play it, bro.
	I'm telling you.
	Oh my god, dude.
	They don't play it, bro.
	I've never heard of that.
	It's a real thing.
	It's a real thing.
	Okay.
	Okay, what about you?
	Welcome back.
	Thank you.
	Hi, I'm Candace.
	I'm 26.
	I'm from Texas.
	I do OnlyFans.
	Oh, boy.
	Here you go, Mike.
	Keep it on set of screens.
	What's your highest education level completed?
	Some college.
	Okay.
	What college?
	Oklahoma State.
	Goddammit.
	You lose.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	And then relationship status?
	It's complicated.
	She belongs to the streets.
	No, actually, I had two guys last night, a guy last night and a guy today asked me to be their girl, so I just got to choose.
	Oh, wow.
	Are you sleeping with either or both?
	Well, one of them, no, and then one of them is a guy I was dating, and then we took like a month break.
	Well, I left him.
	A guy who you haven't slept with is asking you to be his girl?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Pussy.
	That's interesting.
	I mean, interesting in that it's probably not very smart, but it's interesting.
	That is scary.
	Okay.
	Anyway, hook him.
	So, high school high is completed because you didn't get to finish college, right?
	Yeah.
	Stupid!
	Well, there's a funny story behind that one.
	You mean the face?
	Yeah, I don't know if she wants to tell that story.
	Yeah, they're already saying it in the thing.
	Oh, they know who you are?
	Yeah.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay, real quick before you tell that story.
	And then, are your parents still together?
	No.
	Okay.
	When did they divorce?
	When I was 10.
	Alright, so for 16 years.
	Go ahead, tell them the story.
	I just got kicked out for accidentally doing blackface.
	Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
	Accidentally?
	How do you accidentally do blackface?
	First up, how do you get kicked out of anywhere in Oklahoma for doing blackface?
	That's what I said.
	No, I just had a black beauty mask on, and I put it on Snapchat when he says he only likes black girls.
	And somebody screenshotted it, put it on Twitter, it went viral.
	And yeah, I lost my scholarships.
	I had like a 4.0 and a full ride.
	Wow.
	Gone.
	It's like fucking all two only.
	It's evil, bro.
	I'm telling you, bro.
	That's rough, though.
	Yeah, it's crazy, man.
	Careful, my friend.
	Careful.
	Well, they're locked my account after a day.
	Can I ask one brief follow-up question?
	Did you apologise or not apologise?
	I gave the lamest apologies.
	I gave so many apologies.
	Stop.
	That's it.
	You apologized.
	That's the error you made.
	Right.
	Don't apologize.
	Ever.
	Ever.
	When the public comes after you for some random bullshit, just hold your ground.
	The walk mob.
	Yeah.
	Because they're going to call you a bigot.
	They're going to call you a racist.
	They're going to call you all these things.
	Just hold your ground.
	No.
	It was funny.
	Am I correct?
	Well, not apparently, no.
	But still, holding your ground is always better than apologizing.
	Because the moment you apologize, you admit that you were doing something wrong.
	Even though you weren't, you didn't intend to do something wrong.
	You did not have the intention of offending people, so you didn't actually do anything wrong.
	And by apologizing, you're only validating their side of the argument.
	So never apologize.
	Ever.
	Yeah, I was really young, so that's what I knew at the time.
	But I wish I had the mentality that I do now.
	Is it a booty mask?
	And you probably did it to keep your scholarship, too, as well.
	Academia is very strict when it comes to that type of stuff.
	But she already got booted anyway.
	I'm saying she did it for the...
	If I'd seen that coming, if I was you, like, oh, I'm getting booted.
	It's going to happen anyway.
	The apps are coming down.
	At least hold my own integrity.
	Keep your integrity if you're losing everything else.
	Question.
	Do you do Blackface on OnlyFans now?
	Everybody just wants to see me with a BBC. It's like all my requests.
	I think if you did that, OSU might give you your scholarship.
	The ultimate redemption story.
	Obviously, you know, we can't say she's racist.
	I love slaves.
	Alright, I like this.
	I like where this is going.
	Should I go get my costume?
	No!
	No!
	No, no.
	Okay, guess of honor.
	Wasn't OSU the same school that let Tyreek Hill beat the crap out of his baby's mama and they didn't kick him out, but they kicked you?
	Might be OU. No, Tyreek Hill, I think, was OSU, didn't he?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yes, he did.
	What a further do, though.
	Guest of honor.
	Let's tell us who you are.
	Hi, my name is Michael Sartain.
	I host a very offensive podcast in Dallas, and I'm Zerka's personal trainer.
	Yes.
	I was waiting for it.
	Okay.
	I'm Earl Tomasi.
	I'm Zerka's personal athletic psychologist.
	We're still doing this.
	The author of the Rational Mail, all five of them.
	I am Sterling Cooper.
	I am a sex coach, primarily for men, but also these days lately I've been educating women on how to please and be better in bedroom, in general.
	And apparently I am Zerka's celebrity nutritionist.
	There we go.
	We miss you, brother.
	And retired porn star.
	Retired and repenting.
	We have lots of work to do.
	R&R. Do you like when people bring it up or no?
	Say what?
	For example, let's say they say...
	Speak English Do you like or bring it up or no?
	I don't know Fresh, of course I mean Chris I got you to host Is that good or no?
	Say it again Whenever they bring it up I don't care.
	I ain't hiding this shit.
	There's millions of Google hits.
	If you type my name and you'll find me, if I'm like, oh, I didn't do porn, I'd be a R word.
	I can't say this on YouTube.
	I'd be totally retarded.
	So, Sterling, your body count.
	It's 700 plus.
	700 plus?
	Professionally or personally?
	A combination of the two.
	It's about half-half.
	Half-half?
	Okay.
	And then, ladies, I did not forget about you.
	How many of you are on birth control?
	If it's green, it's a yes.
	If it's a red, it's a no.
	Nice.
	Damn, a lot of irresponsible women here.
	Okay, so we got...
	Is it damn near half across?
	Okay, hold on.
	You're ovulating.
	Green means you are on birth control.
	Red means no.
	Okay, so I'm going to go ahead and put a star for all the green ones.
	This is so bad, bro.
	Wait, but there's a lot of reasons why a person might be on it.
	That's fine.
	I'll give you a chance to say why.
	Or not.
	By the way, Fresh, we have a big super chat.
	Oh, Jungle F. Jungle?
	Holy!
	He says, uh, what up FNF? Ladies question.
	What's the most a man paid to have sex with you?
	Oh my god!
	Is it the cost of the date?
	Not the one guy you committed to.
	Are you on or no?
	Are you on or no?
	Hello.
	Are you on it or no?
	Are you on birth control?
	Oh, you are.
	Oh, no, no, no, I'm not.
	You're not.
	Okay, cool.
	So, I got, okay, so, all right.
	I got only four?
	Only four y'all on birth control?
	I think they were confused about the on it or not thing.
	Green is on it.
	Okay, ladies, one more time.
	If we're on birth control, please hold up the thumbs up, okay?
	The green.
	The green.
	Show my ring.
	Throw it up, throw it up, because I'm literally taking the numbers right now.
	Ladies, keep it up, please.
	For the audience.
	Keep it up, keep it up.
	Okay, so Miss London, that's a no.
	Pixie, yes.
	Paige, yes.
	Amy, no.
	Lexi, no.
	Jazz, yes.
	Gabby, no.
	Sky, yes.
	Jade, no.
	And Candy, no.
	Or Candice, no.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I just wanted to say there's a lot of reasons why somebody might be on birth control.
	Personally, for me, my cycle was going crazy.
	I was having really strong periods.
	It was getting in the way of me functioning, going to work, going to school, doing anything once a week, every month.
	It helped regulate it.
	It helped take away a lot of the problems I had.
	And honestly, I'm as successful and it's gone as far as I have today because of that.
	Can I respond?
	Go for it.
	I would say, like, all the issues you were having, the problems you might have been having, totally legitimate.
	Yeah.
	There are more natural ways to combat that than getting on hormone birth at all.
	In America, they have a problem where they will prescribe you drugs, like doctors in particular.
	And this is not your fault, by the way.
	Not your fault.
	But the medical system in the USA has a habit of prescribing drugs that are prescription drugs that are continuously taking to try to fix a problem you have Because they make a profit on it.
	Yeah.
	And I think you would have been able to fix the issues, whatever, whatever problems, issues, whatever you have.
	Naturally.
	Very naturally, through diet, nutrition.
	And in a long-term context, rather than I take a pill right now and it feels better, versus I adjust these things in my lifestyle and nutrition over the next three to six months and I see the same result, but I see that result forever.
	Right?
	And I'm not dependent on a pharmaceutical drug.
	Yeah.
	So that's all I would say.
	Personally, I got a hormonal IUD because I didn't want to take a pill constantly.
	I agree that there's like many different ways to do it.
	It's just what's worked best for me.
	So I think it depends.
	Anybody else want to, I mean, talk about their birth control?
	No, I know.
	There's a bunch of reasons why.
	And like some girls might feel the need to like, okay, well, this is why, etc.
	So you go ahead.
	Yeah, I have two things.
	So, one, I did read that the pill is a listed carcinogen for the FDA, which I think is really unfair for women's health because men want to be nutting in women, but the most accessible one is literally a carcinogen.
	I know everything is carcinogenic.
	Is a condom a carcinogen?
	No, but I mean, those are what, like 70-something percent effective?
	Condoms are way more effective than 70%.
	Sorry to interrupt you, but you guys are the stats guys, right?
	So if I'm incorrect in what I'm saying, these two will correct me.
	Please, and please do.
	But from my understanding, ever since birth control was put in the hands of women, basically the advent of...
	Chemical birth control, aka the pill, right?
	Prior to that, the only form of birth control we really had, we're talking USA, right, was the condom.
	And that was predominantly meant to be the man's responsibility.
	So the man had a condom in his wallet, in his pocket, whatever.
	The man had the control on whether or not this was, you know, protective sex or not.
	After that, when women got the pill...
	The rates of, if I'm wrong, please correct me, the rates of unwanted pregnancies skyrocketed.
	Am I incorrect or not?
	Please, correct me.
	Because that's what I've heard of?
	I don't know.
	Well, using two forms is obviously, compounding them would increase the effectiveness, but I still...
	Sorry, trying to gather my thoughts.
	Let me guess, are you allergic to condoms?
	No, I personally am not.
	Okay.
	Some women are.
	Some women are.
	I heard men are too.
	Which is why I should say Skyn, S-K-Y-N, is one of the best condom brands you can buy because they go in large sizes for guys like this.
	And they're non-latex condoms.
	Lots of women are actually allergic to latex and that prevents them to want to use condoms.
	But condoms are very, very effective.
	Incredibly effective.
	For some guys, they're allergic, but some they're not.
	It's more women than men.
	The only stats that I know of is that, okay, because there's a lot of different birth control methods for women right now.
	I mean, with something like, what, 23 or 32, something like that, there's a lot of birth controls.
	And by the way, there's also different pills, too.
	So there's different, like, there's different varieties of those pills.
	So one's based on progesterone, one's based on another one.
	I think it's like luteinizing hormone or something like that, I forget.
	So when we talk about the pill, there's more than one pill.
	So it depends on what you're using.
	So is one a carcinogen?
	I don't know.
	I would have to look that up.
	But I do know that the most common one that is prescribed is usually when a woman is much younger.
	So I was going to ask you, Pixie, how old are you now?
	I'm 24.
	And when did you start birth control?
	I got it when I was like 22, 21, around there.
	So was it because you were sexually active then?
	Because you mentioned that, and I don't mean to get too personal, but you mentioned that you got on it because you wanted to regulate your periods.
	Why was it at 22 rather than like 14?
	Um, well, a big part of that had to do with, like, my parents.
	They didn't feel comfortable with me getting it so young.
	Um, and also, also just, like, when it comes to, like, the American healthcare system, like, traversing that with insurance can be a big pain.
	So it took me quite a while to, like, figure all of that out.
	And then it also got to a breaking point where I was, like, juggling all my studying, doing work, everything like that.
	And I was like, okay, I have to get my health in priority.
	I can't keep off putting this.
	I just have to do it.
	So it's just logistics and being pragmatic about it.
	Now, you said you have an IUD form of it?
	Yes.
	Technically not.
	Because I've heard a lot of girls give that reason why.
	For the rest of you, is that why periods were just too painful and getting in the way of life and doing things?
	For a lot of girls around...
	No.
	No, but it made it better.
	Well, she needs it for sure.
	I like getting that in.
	Dude, I've heard so many reasons.
	They literally prescribe it for acne.
	Did you guys know that?
	So if a girl has bad acne, they will prescribe it to regulate.
	I completely agree with what you're saying about how everything is very over-prescribed here, but we also come from like a socialist healthcare system where it's very different.
	So the disparity is like...
	But we can see the disparity.
	Literally for like a month, and I hated it.
	I felt a noticeable change in my mood, in how I was, and I didn't even last a month.
	I'm just curious, the girls that are on, when did you start?
	What age did you start?
	We can start here with Ms.
	Puerto Rico.
	And you're in a long-term relationship, so that makes sense.
	You don't want to have kids, right?
	But it might have been before that.
	But it's also dangerous, though.
	No, I actually met my man at 18, and that's when I got on it.
	How long have you been together?
	Five years, and I'm still currently on it.
	So, the danger here, unfortunately, is that women make very, very different...
	So you were on birth control when you met him?
	No, after we started becoming sexually active.
	That's fantastic.
	Good.
	Because women make drastically different choices and partners when they're on birth control than when they're off birth control.
	That's one of the main reasons why divorce rates are so high.
	If you're on birth control as a woman, it's affecting your hormones, affecting your estrogen, whatever.
	It's making you feel like you're pregnant, artificially, basically.
	And so you adapt to that, and you'll make choices.
	Your choice in partner adapts to that.
	So usually what happens is a woman will get on birth control from some other partner, and then she'll keep doing it, and she'll date outside of that guy.
	She'll divorce him or break up with him.
	And she'll keep going around, and then she'll get with a guy, decide to have kids with him, and when she gets off birth control, she will break up with him, because she no longer finds him attractive.
	Because birth control will drastically change how you perceive guys.
	I never heard of that, but that's interesting.
	But you did it correctly, though.
	You were with him before you started, which is a green flag.
	So, good luck for you.
	I'll take that.
	I have kids.
	Get married.
	I wish you the best of luck.
	Thank you so much.
	And then for you, you said you just wanted to get nut in, right?
	Mm-hmm.
	Professional decision.
	Yeah, I got on it when I was, like, 19.
	Okay.
	And then what about you?
	Was it for professional reasons, or...
	Um, so I actually got on it when I was with my very first boyfriend.
	Oh, okay.
	And I just stayed on it because I didn't want to have to go back to having the cramps.
	Sorry.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Wait, so you're not fucking?
	No.
	I figured.
	Bro, scab, bro.
	Actually, no.
	I don't believe it, man.
	Makes sense.
	Alright, fantastic.
	I'll read the chats and then, uh...
	We had Jungle.
	What?
	He was first.
	Jungle?
	Yeah.
	500 bucks.
	Oh, shout out to you, Jungle.
	What's the most a man paid to have sex with you?
	Oh, the cost of the date.
	Not the one guy you committed the crime or prostitution with the other night.
	Okay, so what's the most a guy has ever spent to take you on a date?
	So we'll go with that.
	What about, we'll start, actually, yeah, we can start here.
	We can start here.
	Go ahead.
	What's the most a guy's ever spent to go on a date with you?
	Like, spending on a date?
	Yeah.
	Or even before.
	Like, a first date?
	Or, like...
	Or even, like, before.
	Like, he said, yo, pay $20, $10 just to go on a date.
	I think first date's better also.
	Yeah, he's saying pay to have sex with you, but, I mean...
	Has anyone here ever, like, charged a guy to fuck them?
	They won't admit it.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Nobody won't admit it.
	Yeah, they ain't gonna admit that.
	Come on, man.
	Come on.
	So we'll just go ahead and say, the most they spent to have sex with you, like how much you made them spend on multiple dates, etc.
	To get at it.
	Yeah, to get at it.
	There we go.
	I think that's a better way to put it.
	It could have been three dates, he spent $1,000 or whatever before you hooked up with him.
	I don't watch what they're spending on me, but people have spent thousands of dollars.
	I don't know, either buying a section or buying a dinner.
	Tell us the experience.
	For example, what happened on a date?
	Because you might not know the price that you paid for it.
	Just really, really expensive dinners, and then maybe getting a daybed, but spending a few thousand dollars with a daybed.
	Oh, wow.
	And stuff like that.
	Wow.
	What?
	A day band.
	Like a hotel?
	Yeah, like a hotel.
	Beach club.
	Oh, okay.
	Wait, hold on.
	Where's he now?
	Yo, explain that to the audience, bro, because they're not going to know what the fuck that is.
	Oh, okay.
	So it's kind of like getting a section, in a way.
	Like on the beach.
	Daytime.
	And those could be very expensive.
	Like Nikki Beach?
	Where is this?
	Uh, in...
	What's it called?
	Tulum?
	Oh, in Tulum?
	Oh, like at Voodoo?
	Oh, shit!
	There was getting to Tulum.
	The phrase, the sentence, says everything we need to know.
	He flew you from here to Tulum, and then got all that stuff.
	I was living in Texas at the time.
	But yeah, but he was, uh, actually, uh, I found out later, he was, like, America's most wanted.
	Wait, what?
	Wait, what?
	That was unexpected.
	Well, we can eliminate the have you ever dated a felon question.
	Wow.
	Shout out that as well.
	Yeah, found out that later.
	What was he wanted for?
	He was like a Nigerian scammer.
	BBC!
	BBC, baby!
	Fantastic.
	What the fuck went on, man?
	On the next Fed Reacts.
	Yeah, so he dropped at least, what, 3 to 5K, easy?
	Yeah, like the table itself, probably like at least 3 or whatever.
	He spent like 10 bands.
	Someone else's money.
	Listen, you are redeemed, my friend.
	Thank you.
	I am part of the black race.
	Let's see if anyone beats that.
	Okay, so we'll go 10K.
	What about you?
	What's the most you guys ever spent to try to get laid?
	What about you?
	I really tried to think about this.
	Like, even my ex-boyfriends, I think the most that my ex, like one of my ex-boyfriends have spent on me is...
	I want like a hundred.
	What do you count as spending on you though?
	Like dinner or something?
	Okay, hypothetical.
	Kiyomashi's still in college.
	This is important for everyone who follows this up, right?
	So if he brings you to a table and like pays for dinner or then you go to a club and pays for bottles, right?
	There's more than just you.
	It's not the two of you, him and her, like him and you, right?
	It's multiple people.
	Do you count that as spending the money on you?
	There was a no there.
	That was a no.
	I've been out with promoters a few times, so no.
	Because they have a lot of people.
	Okay.
	So she means individually on her.
	But there's extras that have been added on top of that.
	- Yeah, yeah. - I thought the question was like, date-wise.
	- I'm just on the room, just drill in there.
	- It was, he had a drill in there.
	- I just wanna understand the question. - 'Cause I mean, it's possible that he'll tell you, It's the first time you guys are meeting, but there'll be other people there.
	If that promoter took me to a side in the club and he decided to pour me the drink, then I guess that's different, but it's never like that.
	You were special.
	I wasn't, though.
	I just want to make sure I clarify this.
	Was the promoter trying to get at you?
	No, that's never been the case.
	Then that doesn't count then.
	I'm talking about a guy that was trying to actually get at you.
	No.
	Not a guy working.
	Okay.
	No.
	Alright.
	And also, it's comp.
	For most of the promoters here, it's comp.
	That's true.
	What about you?
	Honestly, I haven't really had a guy splurge.
	I've only been with my man, so I don't...
	What's the most he spent on you, then, you could think of?
	Like, up to $500 on a date.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we don't really do too much.
	W. Dude, that ain't shit today.
	That's a nice day.
	Did you do your virginity to him?
	I did.
	Aw, W. We actually lost it to each other.
	I'm not afraid to say that.
	That's actually fantastic.
	Don't leave him.
	That's actually really good.
	What about you?
	What's the most a guy spent on it?
	I would say I couldn't really give a price.
	I had an ex-boyfriend for three years and I lived with him and he basically supported me.
	He paid for everything while I went to school.
	Why'd you leave him?
	Oh, shit.
	Because she was done with school.
	No.
	He was toxic.
	Like, really toxic.
	Why was he toxic?
	Explain toxic.
	Be very specific with the word toxic.
	He was very verbally abusive, and like, he had to have my Instagram password and my Snapchat password logged into his phone.
	Reasonable.
	I couldn't look at another guy, and the guy talked to me, he would freak out.
	He was just crazy.
	Did I feel like he owned you?
	Yeah.
	Just out of curiosity, did he find anything when he went through your stuff that made him mad?
	No.
	I found more stuff in his phone than he ever put in mine.
	What did this guy do for a living?
	He didn't have a look, Michael.
	He was a drug dealer.
	That'll do it.
	Oh, oh, wait.
	Maybe.
	Maybe it's a drug.
	Mike, roll.
	Start in.
	You cannot make this shit up, bro.
	You can't make it up.
	That's crazy, bro.
	Perhaps...
	Pick a better boyfriend.
	Miami?
	Yeah, I'm aware of that now.
	Just a hypothetical suggestion.
	Don't date a drug dealer?
	I learned my lesson.
	Hold on.
	Was he black or Hispanic?
	He was white and he wished he was black.
	One of those kind of things.
	What do you call that?
	A wigger?
	Yeah.
	Wigger.
	Okay.
	Fantastic.
	What would you say roughly he spent on you in the three years that you guys were together?
	50k?
	100k?
	A lot.
	A lot.
	Yeah.
	Did he buy you gifts and shit?
	Blood money.
	All the time.
	What was the most expensive gift he bought you?
	Um...
	That you can remember.
	Maybe it was a bag, jewelry.
	Did he buy you a lot of jewelry?
	He would just buy me, like, if I wanted clothes, he would buy me clothes.
	Anything we ate, he would pay for it.
	Just literally everything.
	He can't put it in a bank, so yeah.
	What about you?
	What's the most a guy spent on you to get laid?
	Honestly, not much.
	Money isn't super impressive to me, so not much.
	So, can you give us a number at least?
	I mean, I've gotten a lot of offers, but no, I mean, I've always grown up privileged.
	I was always rich either through my parents and now through me, so I never really...
	What would be, like, the most expensive dinner you think you've ever gone to?
	Most expensive what?
	Dinner.
	Uh, maybe a couple hundred to three hundred, maybe?
	Your whole life?
	Yeah.
	Like, a guy took me to?
	Yeah.
	Like, $400?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I told you.
	I grew up, so, like, money...
	Like, the other day, I thought a banana cost $3.
	That's how out of touch I am.
	How much does it cost?
	I don't know.
	I guess you could get a lot, yeah.
	I mean, I couldn't answer that question.
	How much is a banana?
	I don't know.
	Okay, so I'm not crazy.
	Okay, because I didn't know.
	Easy mode.
	Okay.
	All right, easy mode.
	Dick.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Kind of similar, except I didn't grow up privileged.
	I used to smash for free, so I didn't really have to go on dates.
	I don't know.
	I'm like Little Miss Girlboss.
	I always go halfsies with my boyfriend or anybody else.
	People don't really pay for me.
	You're like an E3 or E4? Yeah, E4. You're an E4. Have you ever had your testosterone level check?
	No.
	No?
	Just curious.
	Maybe he should have?
	No, it's not that.
	I'm just curious.
	Are you sure?
	I've been told I have a masculine face.
	You join the army, you have a stressful job, and, you know, you said I'd smash for free.
	You go 50-50 with your boyfriend.
	Like, these are all kind of, like, somewhat masculine traits.
	I'm just curious if you are your testosterone.
	Walking children.
	Question for you.
	Do you drink a lot?
	Yes.
	Yes, it is.
	This is crazy.
	Call me a little bit weird here, but I have a correlation between Philly and drinking and girls, white girls especially.
	They just do whatever when they're drunk, bro.
	No, like Delaware County, like I don't know if anyone in the chat is from Delaware County, like we're known for being like crazy.
	I'm like the least crazy and like I still get looks.
	I don't know what it is, bro.
	Whenever it goes from Philly, come to Miami, and they drink, they're fucking somebody, bro.
	I swear to God.
	It's all for it.
	Alright, so I'm going to Philly then.
	Wait, what?
	I'm going to Philly then.
	It's like a PA thing, I think.
	Most of the drinking alcohol in us have been at college.
	Alright, so that you can recall, what's the most that they spent that you could think of?
	Max, like $200,000, $250,000.
	Okay, maybe a nice dinner.
	Alright, what about you, Amy?
	I just want to say first, you don't have the most masculine face here out of all the girls, just so you know.
	What?
	Damn!
	The second thing, I wanted to clarify the question.
	So the question that I wanted to clarify was, is it up until he has sex with you or just the first date?
	Or up until you have sex with him or just the first date?
	Up until sex.
	So we could say, let's say it was a sequence of three or four or five dates, whatever it may be.
	Oh man, okay.
	So I talked about this on your guys' show.
	$400,000.
	No, I dated a man who lived with me for three months and we did not have sex.
	And he courted me so hard when we first met.
	He literally took me to every expensive dinner, every theme park.
	Did he not want to smash?
	Apparently not.
	But we did after three months.
	We did after three months.
	But he moved in with me about three weeks into the relationship.
	Okay.
	How much would you estimate he spent?
	Probably a couple hundred a day, and on some days more.
	For three months?
	He was an American visiting Australia, was staying in Australia, we met, he whined and dined me, and then three weeks later, he literally moved into my apartment, and he asked me to move to America with him.
	That's the reason why I'm in this country.
	200 times 90?
	That is crazy, bro.
	$18,000.
	That's how expensive your pussy is.
	Alright, so you beat Candice.
	Okay.
	What about you unless Candice you can think of someone up it?
	I mean, I do have a guy that I didn't have sex with that was also, I think he was in the Russian mafia.
	See, now it's a competition.
	Wait a minute, I just remembered one guy.
	Well, the question was confusing.
	It was like a month.
	It wasn't three months, but it was like a month that we did the same thing.
	Like, we spent every day together going to, flying against different places.
	Right.
	That's different versus one date.
	So the girls may be confused and may have not answered correctly on the basis of that.
	It's not one date, but up until six.
	I did clarify in the beginning, like up until.
	It could have been a sequence.
	It could have been three dates, whatever.
	But yeah, how much did your guys spend then?
	I don't know, but it was only one month.
	So it was probably...
	It's always only when they don't pay for it.
	Okay, what about you?
	$18,000.
	So similarly, if a guy spends a lot of money, I'm not necessarily having sex with him because of that.
	So the most somebody has spent has been a boyfriend and we took a trip to Miami actually.
	How much does that cost?
	I paid for my plane ticket, and he pretty much paid for the rest.
	He got me a pair of sneakers.
	Wait, he made you pay for a ticket?
	I mean, I paid for my ticket.
	He wasn't that rich or anything.
	I appreciate the fact that he wanted to even...
	How much do you estimate?
	Probably a couple thousand?
	Or what did y'all do?
	Did y'all do crazy shit?
	No, I would say a couple hundred.
	We went out to dinner, and he got me a pair of sneakers.
	Some Harachis.
	So I'll put 700.
	That was nice.
	Love Harachis.
	What about you?
	Yeezys.
	I would say same.
	I have a...
	Well, I had an ex...
	700?
	Huh?
	700 or...?
	Around there.
	I had an ex-boyfriend, basically, who lived in D.C. So, like, he would pay for my ticket so I could go see him and go to restaurants and stuff like that.
	Okay.
	He wanted to see you?
	Yeah, he was my boyfriend.
	Yeah, fresh.
	I was not fed up, bro.
	Okay.
	What about you, Miss UK? Four dollars.
	How much?
	I'm joking.
	So, the most a guy has spent on me...
	In the pursuit of getting laid?
	It could have been over one date, two dates, five dates, ten dates?
	One date, but it didn't really go to me, so it was like $4,000.
	But we went to a strip club, and he spent it on the strippers in front of me.
	Did that make you say, no, I'm good?
	I went home, so...
	Hold on, hold on.
	Question.
	Did I turn you on at all?
	No.
	How'd it make you feel?
	I mean, like, I let him have his fun.
	Like, the stripper was like, do you mind?
	I was like, I don't care.
	And then they went to do a private dance and then he fingered her.
	And then I was like...
	He fingered her?
	How'd you find out that he fingered her?
	He told you?
	I saw him.
	Oh, you saw it?
	Yeah, so...
	Wait, how'd they go in a private room and you saw it?
	Oh, you went with them?
	Yeah, I went with them.
	Oh, okay.
	I guess it wasn't that private.
	No, yeah, it wasn't.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I'm pretty sure there's some details that are being left out of this story.
	You probably smashed.
	Did you smash the stripper?
	Come on, man.
	I don't know.
	But I left early.
	He smashed.
	She was like, she's gonna try to fuck that shit.
	I'm not gonna do it.
	Follow me.
	My date or stripper?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Fair enough.
	What do we got here?
	Yeah?
	Okay, should we?
	Okay.
	We got here.
	Port-boiled duck confit goes, the saint and the sinner Marquette absolutely obliterated Jasmine Jafar.
	He destroyed John Zerka.
	Dismantled?
	You have anything you want to say back to that?
	Go watch it, guys.
	See what you think.
	I think it was not how he described it, but...
	Alright.
	Alright.
	We got here the lawyer and Miss Pen Pal on the couch.
	I swear, bro, the caucasity?
	No.
	The caucasity.
	Yeah, the caucasity of these three forces kills brain cells.
	Somebody hit the Jacko pose to get...
	On ISTG? SMH. Oh, Chris.
	Riveting commentary.
	I swear to God.
	Love y'all.
	Y'all save lives.
	You saved mine.
	Half a mil a year, gang.
	Unban me.
	That's from Cobalt Strike.
	I don't think you're banned, bro.
	Clearly you're here.
	Uh...
	We got here, Angel Munoz goes, to the OF lawyer girl, this is your last chance to redeem yourself.
	FNF thanks to all your staff and much respect.
	Okay.
	We got here, Myron's subconscious goes, what reason would you or did you use to validate the last time you cheated in a relationship and if the roles were reversed, would you have accepted your man giving you that reason?
	And fellas, please translate to womanese.
	Okay.
	So did anyone cheat at all?
	And then what was the reason behind it?
	How about this?
	No, no, no.
	Okay, I know what it is.
	Alright.
	How many of you have cheated before?
	Let's go ahead and just use the thumbs up first so that we have a body of work here.
	Green if you have cheated before.
	Green if you have ever cheated before.
	Green if you have ever cheated before.
	They're never going to admit this shit.
	Okay, you know what?
	Because they're using the male metric.
	They're thinking cheating like with actual sex.
	All right, let me go ahead and clarify this.
	When cheating, just so I qualify this, it's talking to another guy, entertaining, potentially talking to another guy, going out on girls' nights out, putting yourself in situations to meet other men.
	All of that constitutes cheating, ladies.
	I know some of y'all are like, that's not true, but it's insecure!
	For the purposes of this podcast, just so that we're on the same footing here, it means even going out when you have a guy.
	Would be constituted cheating.
	It's just that most guys don't have the balls to tell you that.
	Okay?
	Or putting yourself in a position where other men can talk to you.
	Now!
	I'm gonna see all fucking greens here.
	Have you ever done that while in a relationship?
	Any of these things?
	I swear to God.
	I will check Instagram right now.
	I will pull up your IG right now!
	Okay.
	Guys, come on.
	That's not cheating to me.
	Again, because we're looking at it from the male perspective, no.
	I'm so disappointed.
	Y'all are fucking lying, but that's fine.
	I was 14!
	I was 14!
	Okay, and then, go back to it, Chris.
	So now that we know, and hold him up real quick, ladies.
	Hold him up again, one more time.
	Hold him up, hold him up.
	Remember, have you ever cheated on your guy, and it's with the rules I gave, right, with even talking to another man, etc.
	Now, if the roles were reversed, would you accept him talking to other women and doing the things that you did and put himself in positions to meet other women?
	Now, give me a red if you would not accept it.
	It would be really stupid if I turned this around right now.
	Someone's catching.
	Yeah?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	Flip, flip, flip.
	All right.
	Okay.
	That's the easiest way to do it, man.
	Yeah, it is.
	Because if I try to go around and pound...
	What the fuck?
	Okay.
	What do we got here?
	Raise from the couch to Michael.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	He's here right now.
	IRS scam caller.
	From couch to Michael.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Oh, alright.
	He's giving Candace a three.
	No, no, no.
	Couch.
	London a three.
	Why do you call her Iris Scamcaller?
	Oh, because they have accents?
	Okay, whatever.
	Pixie, Stick, a one.
	Whoopi Goldberg, one.
	Oh, Noor, a five.
	That ain't love.
	Cuck, a three.
	That ain't love, man.
	Fake Lawyer, four.
	Walmart Iggy, three.
	304 Nurse, three.
	Failed Abortion, three.
	Nigga Blondie, two.
	Okay.
	Anybody disagree with the ratings that they've received on tonight's show?
	I disagree with the ratings that they've received on tonight's show.
	Kill Twitch and Facebook.
	Alright, so what would you rate yourself on a 1 to 10?
	Assuming a 10 is perfect and, you know, top tier, hottest girl in the world.
	What would you rate yourself on a scale of 1 to 10?
	We'll start right here.
	A six.
	A six?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	A five or a six.
	Or?
	Pick one.
	A five.
	I'll do a five.
	What about you?
	What'd you rate yourself on a ten?
	A six on a good day.
	Okay.
	Fresh out the shower, six.
	Right now, seven and a half.
	I'm a PhD.
	Wait, what?
	Wait, what?
	Who was that?
	What did you say?
	Alright, what about you?
	Five.
	Okay.
	3.2267.
	What is that?
	Five?
	Stupid!
	That is too accurate.
	Break it down.
	Too precise.
	Can you give us a real number here?
	I think it's a juvenile question, so I gave a juvenile answer.
	Oh, there you go.
	Just kidding.
	Okay, why is it a juvenile question in your opinion?
	Because while there is an objective component to beauty, there's also a subjective component.
	And I don't walk around like going, is there an 8 or a 9 or a 7 or a 6?
	Like, I'm not crazy, so I don't do that to myself either.
	Okay, give us your subjective take on it then.
	What do you mean?
	I think the rating scale is the problem.
	I don't think people are like 8, 9, 10.
	Are you 12?
	Yeah, but other people think other people are 8, 9, 10.
	Not the people I know.
	The people I know don't walk around and I'm not like, oh, well, he's a 7, but he has this trace.
	Right, but they do have subjective ratings for humans.
	Just like, again, you would have subjective ratings for different houses you'd want to buy or a different car.
	Yeah, so how I would do it is like, Attractive, unattractive, super attractive, super unattractive.
	But you could also stratify those people as far as how attractive they are.
	I don't do that.
	You don't?
	But you could.
	But you could, otherwise you'd sleep with every guy you found attractive.
	No, but I don't pick just based off physical attractiveness, A. And B, I don't go, oh, okay, he's two inches taller, so that's.274 more, and this is like, I think the scale is...
	No, correct, but you wouldn't stratify them.
	The scale is whimsical and arbitrary to me.
	I think it's partially arbitrary.
	It's partially objective.
	It has to be.
	I think there is an objective component to beauty, but there is a large subjective and cultural component as well.
	But you admitted that by saying, I don't judge just based off that alone.
	So if you were to judge just based off that alone, which you can clearly do because you differentiated the two, correct?
	So if you were to judge just based on purely aesthetics...
	See, if I look at that, I don't go seven, six.
	Yeah, but if you had to, you could.
	Are you, like, incapable?
	I would never waste my brain energy in my entire life.
	After I was like 10.
	Maybe it's not about wasting your brain energy, but you have ancestors, and those ancestors had to judge men on their physical appearance at some point, or else they wouldn't be able to...
	My point isn't that I have an issue with judging men.
	My point is doing it on a 1 to 10 scale, because I just don't do that.
	How about a 1 to 100 scale?
	I was going to say, what scale are you hoping that's even crazier?
	A 1 to a 76 scale.
	You guys didn't like my fractions, so...
	Alright.
	Stupid!
	Alright.
	Now I don't see why they kicked her off.
	Like, just being difficult for no fucking reason.
	For no reason, man.
	You know what I'm saying?
	That's why.
	No, you kicked me off last time for the stats.
	Look, let me make this extremely clear.
	I didn't kick you off because of your opinions.
	I kicked you off because you were hurting the quality of the show and you were annoying the guest.
	What is hurting the quality?
	Well, yeah, I'm going to annoy the chat when I disagree with you guys.
	Your chat, a lot of them, you have an audience capture, it's an echo chamber.
	There are people in your chat who even were like, she's right on the stats.
	I don't know why you guys kicked her off.
	No, it's not about...
	The stat, it's that you argue in bad faith about certain things.
	So for example, right, that discussion in particular was, hey, marriage really isn't in your best interest as a man, period.
	And then you went ahead and pulled out this straw man of like, oh, well, it's because, actually, you do realize that like a younger, you don't want the age gap to be too much, and then educated women with bachelor's degree actually have lower divorce rates.
	That doesn't take away from the point that marriage is not a good proposition for men in general.
	Actually, how it happened was you were saying that a younger girl is more moldable and it's more successful to be in a relationship with a younger girl.
	And I was saying that if you have a 10-year age gap, your likelihood of divorce goes up by 40%.
	And that is just the stats.
	That was how that happened.
	And then we got into selection bias because I've tried to explain to you multiple times that if you're just looking at the women that are getting divorced and you're like, 70% of women initiate divorces and it goes up for college-educated women.
	But in general, college-educated women are less likely to be in that group getting divorced in the first place.
	You didn't like that one.
	No, it's that, see how I said something that's objectively true, and then you went ahead and you framed it in a way to make an argument for a stance that you have.
	I'm just saying younger women in general tend to be more impressionable, are going to follow your lead under better partners, and then you went ahead and took from that, oh, well, you know what?
	Actually, age gap, once you press a certain amount, the divorce rates actually go up.
	Well, wouldn't that be a good...
	No, because that's what you do.
	I'm saying something, and then you go ahead.
	You find something very tightly aligned, and you'll be like, oh, well, actually, and then you make a completely different argument.
	No, it's not, though, because if you're saying, well, I assume that you're saying those younger women are more moldable, therefore your relationship would be more successful.
	A good comeback to that is that the statistics show your relationship is less likely to be successful with a younger woman.
	That's why I brought up, I think it's very relevant.
	Well, she could be younger than you and still be within that age range that we're talking about, that Ms.
	Below It.
	So she could still be younger than you.
	Well, age age, even a five year?
	Good things can be true, but that's what I'm trying to say is that you argue in bad faith.
	How is it arguing in bad faith?
	That's 100% arguing in bad faith because that doesn't actually challenge what I said.
	You're just countering it with something that doesn't really align with what We can leave it up to the audience.
	I would say that if someone's giving the advice to date somebody younger, right, you guys are all, like I was saying, and even a five-year age gap, 10-year age gap, 20-year age gap, all of those increase your likelihood of the relationship not working out, divorce, like, statistically.
	So maybe that's not the best advice.
	Maybe even though they're moldable, they're clearly not moldable enough because the likelihood of divorce is going up.
	So that's what I was saying.
	I don't think that's arguing in bad faith.
	It is because I'm just saying...
	Because you brought it to a completely different topic.
	I don't think that's a different topic, but okay.
	It's not a different topic.
	When you're saying these younger women are more moldable and they're better, I'm saying then how come...
	It's like the same kind of arguments you make.
	Then how come you're more likely to get divorced with those women?
	That's my question.
	How is that not relevant?
	It's on the age gap, though.
	There's also a demographic shift in that, too.
	So if you're talking about a guy who's 50 and a woman who's 35, that's a whole lot different than if you're talking about a guy who's 40 and a woman who's like 25.
	Because if he's going to say that women are more moldable as they age, a woman who's 25 years old is going to be probably a little bit more, let's say, fresh and naive, I guess, a little less experienced, to put it nicely, than a woman who's 35 who's already got another 10 years on the woman who's 25.
	So is the 35-year-old woman also as moldable as a 25-year-old?
	And I would argue that that's not the case.
	Well, and then the super young, like the, I'm sure if you guys actually are looking at stats, I think you do a good job of this.
	A woman younger than 25 is more likely to get divorced.
	The good ages are 25 to 32 are the best ages to get married statistically for the least likelihood of divorce.
	Well, unfortunately, that's not how it works right now.
	What is the average age of first marriage is 30 for women and 32 for men, right?
	I get that, but a lot of this show is saying, oh, these younger women are better, and they're moldable, and blah, blah, blah.
	And I'm saying those younger women are actually...
	By following the advice of this show, you are putting yourself at a greater statistical likelihood of divorce.
	That was my argument.
	Well, you're also...
	Here's the thing.
	You're not taking everything into account.
	We also teach guys you need to be financially aware.
	You need to be in shape.
	You need to have frame.
	You need to be a leader.
	You need to be dominant, etc.
	All these other things come into play, and then you go ahead and get the younger woman.
	So you're missing out all the other stuff...
	Contextually what I'd like to know is so there's like a top five reasons for divorce and the majority of the divorce is initiated by women so my question is in the where there's a larger age gap what are those top five reasons are they the same top five reasons if you're talking about somebody who's three years apart Three years?
	I don't think there was any great statistical likelihood of your divorce going up for three years.
	But the five, ten years?
	Five, I think it was...
	What I'm saying is, like...
	Are the reasons the same?
	Yeah, the reasons.
	Like, for instance, I think domestic abuse is like third.
	Yeah, like, I know in general, like, infidelity, lack of commitment, those are...
	But I don't know if I've seen any data specifically singling out the couples with the biggest age gap and why those couples specifically got divorced.
	Yeah, so, like I said, because you're saying, oh, because you're only taking one piece of information and saying, well, statistically speaking, the rates of divorce are, you know, going to go up.
	Which, that might be true, but if you follow the other things we teach, getting your money on point, getting in shape, having frame, not being a loser, not letting woman lead, you know what I mean?
	Like, being dominant and assertive.
	That's going to make you way more attractive.
	I mean, maybe, but I haven't seen any data on that either.
	That if you're this and you're that and you're richer, then the woman that's 10 years younger than you is less likely to divorce you.
	I think the money, because there is a lot of evidence that the more money you make up to a certain point...
	Yeah, and then it goes to 600 and then it goes up.
	It's like a whole thing.
	But other than that, I haven't seen that fit men are less likely to get divorced or any of those other things you're saying.
	The money one is the only one that has statistical significance.
	I'm curious how you'd measure fit men getting divorced.
	I don't know.
	That's why I'm asking.
	No, you never would.
	And there's probably never going to be a way to measure that.
	But what I am saying is, though, is that when you look at guys that get divorced or whatever, what happens?
	They don't see it coming.
	Why don't they see it coming?
	Because they don't understand female nature.
	They don't understand frame.
	They don't understand being attractive.
	So that's what I would use to measure it.
	I think what you're saying is relevant, but the thing is, these are men who are just dating women because they're younger and they're still not prepared to date women at all.
	And so the difference in age gap is a problem.
	But you're saying if you're financially successful and you're able to lead, that this would not be an issue.
	Yeah, because the thing is, when most guys get divorced, they don't see it coming a lot of the times.
	So when they don't see it coming, well, that tells me you don't know what the fuck is going on.
	You're unaware.
	You don't realize that you already lost a relationship years ago, months ago, whatever, and it's because you don't have frame.
	I'd be curious as to, I think one of the main reasons why a woman who's like 15, 10, even 20 years younger than someone is marrying them, I think they would be financially stable, but maybe they're not.
	Well, yeah, of course that's a component, but that's the problem because he relies on that too much.
	Wait, I want to say something quickly.
	I think with all due respect, even if you have all those great things going for you, when it comes to people getting young and people getting married young in general, they're much more likely to divorce.
	And I think a big part of that is that Your brain is fully not developed.
	Your long-term decision-making skills are not fully developed.
	So I think even if you're this amazing guy, if you're getting married with a woman who's too young, as she matures and grows older and that part of her brain changes, she might start making different decisions.
	So I think that's another reason to keep in mind that, hey, maybe waiting a little bit later is a better choice because she's more emotionally and mentally mature and can make stable decisions.
	Yeah, and 25, I think that's literally 25, 26 is when the prefrontal cortex really develops.
	That's funny you should say that.
	Couples who marry before age 32 experience lower divorce rates.
	There is a sweet spot in terms of marital age for those looking for the least risk of divorce.
	That's because couples who marry at 25 are 50% less likely to divorce compared with couples who marry at 20.
	But those who marry after age 32, divorce rates increase by 5% per year until the age they are wed.
	Yeah, that's why I said 25 to 32.
	So younger, well, 25 is the sweet spot, right?
	Yeah, 25 to 32.
	People, when they say, oh no, get a woman as young as possible, 18, that's when you start running into the fact that her brain's not fully developed, so you might, even you can be this amazing person, she's still not fully emotionally, mentally matured.
	Between 18 and 28 is when women are in their party or their whole phase, as it is anyways.
	It's when they're at the peak agency.
	Well, here's the thing.
	What's better?
	For her to be molded by society?
	Or be molded by you.
	Yeah, she's impressionable at that point and she isn't like fully developed as you guys would say, but why not develop her under your frame where she understands through your lens how to operate, how to move, how to behave, etc.
	I think it's better for me to take her when she's still impressionable and mold her into the woman that I want versus society doing it for me.
	Let's be honest.
	Society's going to turn her into a promiscuous whore that thinks that it's okay to sleep around and do a bunch of stupid shit and have indiscriminate sex with the highest status guys that she can get and then she's going to be fucked up when I get her.
	Well, I think the point is that even if you try to mold her, just because mentally she's not fully developed, she might be making these choices with you that once her prefrontal cortex is fully developed, she'd be making different choices.
	So it's like, okay, you can still find a partner that has your same values aligned, that you don't risk the whole idea of like, oh no, now you have the mental maturity, things have changed, the brain chemistry has changed, and now you have that risk.
	So I think it's a little bit less riskier to find.
	Could the risk be because, you know, men find her the most attractive in that time period between, let's just say, 18 and 23, that that also her relative attractiveness, she's aware of it because of, let me say, social media, that makes it more likely for her to want to divorce.
	You saying that?
	No, I think the risk is literally just the fact that since the prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed and hasn't slowed down yet, if people find her attractive, don't find her attractive, it's just not the same level of decision-making, a 23-year-old making a decision, as a 25-year-old.
	Right, but that's what I'm saying.
	For instance, her ability to determine, this is wrong, I'm in a relationship and I shouldn't be doing this, is not fully formed before the age of 25.
	So even though she's more attractive to most men, her ability to stay in the relationship is going to be harder for her because she's under the age of 25.
	Do you think they're all divorcing under the age of 25, too?
	Because I think the average amount of years people are married is like seven years.
	So are you saying that these people that are marrying at like 19, you're saying they're getting divorced?
	I don't know.
	That's what I'm asking.
	I'm saying the proposition of, is that one of the reasons why you think that the divorce rate would be higher with a greater difference in age?
	Why do you think?
	Is that why you think?
	I don't know.
	It could be.
	We want them more, but that means they have more options.
	So in that case, they would need to be divorcing while they're still in their peak ages.
	It could be.
	So I'd be interested in seeing that.
	18 to 25 is seven years.
	Yeah, maybe.
	But I don't know.
	And also keep in mind, women are fairly delusional as to where their sexual market value peak actually is.
	Women tend to think it's five to ten years actually what it really is.
	So then that would be going kind of against it.
	No, but you're saying they'll, like, you said women will divorce at, like, what, 25 to 32?
	No, I said 25 to 32 is the best ages where they'll be least likely to divorce.
	Under 25 has a higher likelihood, and over 32 has a higher likelihood.
	Sorry, Harold.
	Well, the other thing, too, is that, um, I would say the internet, right?
	Well, that's the whole study right there.
	It's comparative to where we were, like, in the 20th century versus the 21st century.
	So if you look at divorce rates, they tend to be going down because few and fewer people are actually getting married in the first place.
	So we're at the lowest rate of marriage in, like, recorded history, like 5.1 per 1,000 or six.
	We might have come up to six recently, but it was at 5.1 and has gone steadily down since 1965 when hormonal birth control was introduced.
	Do you know the one group of women where it's not going down for, though?
	It is highly educated women and women of high socioeconomics.
	Yes, because they have more resources to lose, that's why.
	But yeah, but still, so there's validity in what you're saying, but also the ones who do get divorced are the ones who are college educated.
	So the stats reflect in both ways.
	So the ones who are least likely to get divorced are the ones who are college educated, but then the ones who get divorced, the majority of them are the college educated ones.
	That doesn't make sense.
	No, no.
	So two different stats.
	Think about it.
	Separate your brain.
	The ones who, so you're saying that there are women who are college educated, they are the least likely to get divorced, but of the ones who do get divorced, the majority of those women who do get divorced are college educated.
	Get it now?
	I would say that those women that are, yes, I think if you're college educated, you have resources, you're going to be less likely to stay in a shitty situation for money.
	I agree with you there.
	Okay, but you see how they're saying that the stats play out from that perspective as well.
	And another thing that I want to mention is I think the disparity when we're talking about these stats is like, when you're talking about people breaking up at these ages, most of them aren't being taught this information about how to be a high-value man, how to exemplify these various different characteristics.
	So what they're talking about comes from a totally different frame versus the statistics that we're looking at for most divorces or separations or whatever it may be.
	I'm just saying, if you want to lower your likelihood of divorce, the three things you should be doing is a woman who's between 25 and 32, it's her first marriage and she's college educated.
	If you can, if you can get someone with my level of education, the divorce rate cuts in half.
	Highly educated people, one, we're getting married more than everyone else is going down, we're going up.
	This is the best thing you can do.
	If you want to have a long marriage, go get college educated, marry between 25 and 32.
	What about a woman's previous sexual partners before she's married?
	So there's that.
	Are you talking about the Institute of Family Studies?
	So I guess in that case, yeah, after nine or ten it goes up, but two is apparently the worst.
	If you have two partners, you should have sex with a few more and then you'll be in the sweet spot, I guess.
	You know, what I meant before was the concept of, I don't know if you can pull up that study, but...
	Oh, the new one, right?
	Yeah.
	So when they surveyed women, they surveyed 7,000 women, and they asked them the ones who said that they cheated and the ones who said they didn't cheat.
	The ones who did cheat said that they had had sex with about nine partners, and the ones who didn't cheat, it was about 3.8.
	And so it was 230% more sexual partners for women who did cheat than didn't.
	Yeah, so I agree.
	High body count does increase your likelihood of divorce, but actually that isn't as significant as the three.
	I said the top three things.
	That's not the only three things you should look for.
	So I think that's totally fine.
	If you are somebody who's like, I really don't want to get divorced, blah, blah, blah.
	I want to find someone who's like, if you are virgins getting married, have the least likelihood of divorce.
	You can do all that.
	But to say, oh, I'm only going to look at body count, but then I want a girl who's 19, not college educated, blah, blah, blah.
	You're kind of shooting yourself in the foot.
	Statistically.
	Well, here's the thing.
	You were saying like, oh yeah, that's actually bad advice because you guys tell guys to get women that are young in their peak years, 18 and 23.
	What I'm saying is that that's just one component of what we tell guys to do.
	But on top of that, right, that ability to do that is contingent upon your skillset as a man and your competence.
	Are you getting money?
	Are you in shape, etc.?
	Are you actually more than likely the best option that she can get compared to her peers?
	If the answer is yes, then you're going to be fine.
	I get what you're saying.
	Well, how do you know they're going to be fine?
	Do you just feel it?
	Like, where are you getting that if you have your money right, etc?
	Because I assume that if you're a 20-year-old and you're marrying a 35-year-old, you're not going to marry, and you're attractive, you're not marrying a broke 35-year-old, but you're still going to be likely to divorce him.
	So I'm curious as to why you think that.
	Because what you're saying here is you're just going off of strictly age, but for average people too.
	Remember, keep in mind, a lot of these guys that are getting divorced, etc., they're fucking suckers.
	Oh, happy wife, happy life.
	My wife is the boss.
	Like all this bullshit that we've indoctrinated men to believe where women are leaders.
	They're not.
	And do you think this is over-represented in the group that's marrying younger women?
	100% because most men are simps.
	And most men don't understand what it takes to be attractive to women because the things that make a man attractive are not politically correct.
	So it's not often taught.
	If you do teach guys these things, what happens?
	You get cancelled, you get called massages, you get labeled like we are, where we're assholes.
	But we tell guys what it takes to really be attractive to women and unfortunately, when you display these things, It's unfavorable to women because you start to reveal the unflattering realities about female nature.
	Women want the best guy.
	Women want a guy that's better than them in every single regard.
	Women are very surface level when you actually look at what they're attracted to.
	What they're attracted to is actually way more linear than guys think from a physicality standpoint.
	So when you start to say these things, you get labeled a misogynist and they censor you.
	So most men have not had this information for decades.
	But are simps more likely to marry a woman 10 years younger than them?
	That's my question.
	If the divorce rate is higher for people that are marrying women 10, 15, 20 years younger than them, are those men more likely to be simps?
	Because they're more likely to get divorced.
	What I'm saying is that the knowledge that we provide, because you're just looking at it from an age perspective.
	What I'm saying is that you can't just go ahead and say, I'm going to get a bad bitch that's 21 and not take in all the other stuff that we're giving, because yes, you will get divorced.
	But what I'm saying is that the guys that you're talking about that are getting divorced off of this age gap, etc., they're not applying all the other things that we teach men.
	How do you know that, though?
	How do you know they're less likely to apply it than people?
	Most people are average.
	Most people, most men and women are average.
	Here's one piece of data.
	So Dr.
	Buss talks about this in The Evolution of Desire, about the May-December wedding.
	And this has to do with the amount of mate guarding men do when the wife is significantly younger than them.
	And so what he's saying is, like, these are behaviors that generally we would consider, like, can we say sympathy behaviors?
	It's just like being, like, overly reactive in this situation and not having boundaries to the point where they get, like, digging through their phone.
	If I had to dig through my girl's phone, I would just break up with her.
	Do you understand?
	And so the point is, this is essentially what Dr.
	Buss talks about.
	In these relationships, there's exceptional mate guarding, which comes off as, like, you know, kind of beta behavior.
	And so I think that kind of leads to what he's saying.
	So then you would say that you are more likely to exhibit that beta behavior if you're marrying a woman that's way younger than you?
	Well, the reason why is because she is so much...
	So yes?
	I just want to know...
	So the point I'm trying to make is because she is more attractive to more men, like the point at which she'd get more right swipes, this is just one data point, that's the reason why he would be more covetous of her.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Now, if he had boundaries and had a fundamental understanding of his value and had the ability to understand, hey, I can move on.
	This won't enforce those boundaries.
	Exactly.
	He had the ability to enforce those boundaries.
	He would be less likely to get divorced.
	So, I mean, sure, that's speculative, but so you are saying then that, yeah, those men that are marrying women younger than them, you're speculating that maybe a reason for that could be what you're saying.
	Well, that they act more simpy?
	Yeah, I mean, that's what Dr.
	Boss would say, yeah.
	I mean, a majority of men are pussies.
	I mean, let's just be, I mean, I mean...
	Those men are also marrying women within their age range.
	My question is I want to isolate the variable of age and then ask you guys why you think.
	So he gave one reason.
	Maybe it's because of whatever you said.
	Mate guarding.
	Yeah, mate guarding.
	But we don't have any actual data, as far as I know, actually linking those two things.
	Not likely to get it in this current environment.
	So that's one reason.
	So I was just asking what your opinion was as to why and maybe you have a similar opinion.
	Hold on.
	This is all a big umbrella.
	You understand that mate guarding is a symptom of not understanding female nature appropriately.
	It's all...
	The problem is not...
	So, okay.
	He gets money.
	Marries a younger girl.
	Look at Al Pacino right now, right?
	Even though she's out of the range.
	I'm using it as an example.
	A woman that's significantly younger than him.
	Getting divorced.
	So what happens a lot of times is guys don't understand their own value.
	They get with a girl.
	They pedestalize her.
	She thinks she's better than him and then ends up leaving.
	I could do better.
	So that's what I mean.
	And then she wears the pants in a relationship.
	A lot of marriages, you ask the guy, why do you think the whole phrase happy wife, happy life is a thing?
	Yeah, so I would say like that's one reason you guys are putting for it.
	That's one thing you're positing.
	I would agree with Pixie because we have a lot of other data that people don't make the best decisions and they change their mind when their prefrontal cortex isn't as developed.
	So I would say that if it was up to me just because we know that that affects their decision making and that they're more likely to regret things they do under 25, that would probably be a good reason for why they probably are getting divorced.
	But what if that makes sense to what Myron's saying?
	Because if you're saying that women are more likely to get divorced because their prefrontal cortex is not developed, they're not able to make rational decisions, aren't they more likely to fuck that up by being led by outsider influences such as their young girlfriends, Instagram, these various things?
	And what we're talking about is it's not just on the basis of the stats that are out there.
	If you have a man who's actually going to lead you and guide you in the right direction, that's very, very different than the average age gap or decision.
	Especially a man with means and is older and is a better judge of character.
	I'm curious about your personal development as well.
	A woman at 25 who's been socialized by society is less likely to get divorced.
	There's one other thing.
	There's a Washington Post article that talks about May-December weddings and the difficulties of it.
	And that is the concept of, say, she's 25 and I'm 50.
	That's a 25-year difference.
	When the kids are in college, I'm going to be 68 years old and she's however old she is.
	And there's a difference.
	One thing that I think makes a difference is that 46 and being in shape is very different than the average 46-year-old man who's got a BMI of 50-whatever.
	So I think that's another issue in this case.
	And so that's the issue.
	What I'm saying is, you get to a point where I can't play football with my son because I'm too old, but if you keep yourself in shape, then I don't think that would be as much of an issue.
	Yeah, I'm sure if you keep yourself in shape and you stay attractive to your partner, your likelihood of divorce is lowered.
	I agree with that, but we just haven't, we don't know what to isolate here.
	All we know is that men who get married to women that are significantly younger than them, and the more younger they are, the higher your likelihood of divorce.
	Now, you guys are saying, if you have enough money and blah, blah, blah, although I would speculate that these women that are marrying, the 25-year-old who's marrying the 40-year-old is probably doing so because he's at least well-off somewhat, because he's, you know, She just thought I was funny, high value man.
	She just thought I was funny.
	I mean, sometimes our attractiveness comes with that as a byproduct as well.
	Don't you agree that when you see a man who's like confident, assertive, the attractiveness also comes as a byproduct of that.
	It may not necessarily be on the basis of wealth or this or that.
	It may be because there's a charisma.
	Or something that younger people may not necessarily have.
	Okay, I think the point is that like, you guys are already by this basis of having a young woman marry an older man, he has to have some level of high value, right?
	Because then otherwise, why would the young woman marry that man?
	Yet despite this, we still see like a pretty high rate of failure.
	So the idea is that, like, hey, it doesn't necessarily matter if you're high value or not.
	There's a certain age where she's too young, her prefrontal cortex is still developing.
	You can guide her as much as you want, but it just comes down to simple brain chemistry.
	While when she's 25 past, she's more stable mentally, she's more congruent, and she's able to make those long-term decisions.
	So here's the thing.
	Having high value and having game are two different things.
	There's plenty of guys, and I don't want to make this very clear for the ladies, just so we understand.
	Being a high-value guy doesn't necessarily mean you're still good with women.
	There's plenty of guys that are high-value, that have their shit together, have some status, have some respect, etc.
	But they're terrible with women.
	Specifically, I remember, again, from Evolution of Desire, is the concept of, if I am in my 50s and she's 25, my ability to replace her is less.
	And that is what all of us, no matter if it's a three-year age difference or a 25-year age difference, vehemently suggests men do not get into that situation.
	Not to leave your wife, but to at least be in enough shape, good enough shape, and to have enough charisma, and to have enough financial means to where if you had to, you could.
	Because if your wife believes fully that you're the best, or she's the best you can do, and you could never replace her, then that's where we could end up in some of these problems.
	What Pixie and I are saying is that usually a woman who's 25, if she's marrying a 50-year-old or a woman who's 20 who's marrying a 35-year-old, he usually has some of these things.
	That's what attracted her to him.
	Some of these things, you're talking about money.
	We're talking about other things.
	For instance, an abundance when it comes to women or an abundance when it comes to networking or the ability to communicate.
	Some level of charisma, the ability to network or having a sense of humor that other people find attractive, that network, those things right there, a lot of men won't have.
	Now what happens is because she, in his mind, she's much, much less, much less replaceable.
	He can't get another 25-year-old girl, or he believes he can't.
	That's going to be a situation where she's more likely to leave.
	In this situation, her from the outside looking in, or from the inside looking out, from her situation, she's getting a lot more right swipes.
	She's getting a lot more attention.
	She's receiving a lot more stimulus because of her age.
	And so those two things together may cause a higher divorce rate.
	And this is where numbers and stats kind of collide with common sense.
	So I know, right, and I'm sure all of you know this, ladies, from your experience as a woman dealing with men in general, most men that come up to you probably aren't attractive.
	Correct?
	Yes.
	Most guys that come up to you probably aren't attractive.
	Maybe for different reasons.
	Maybe they're not cognitively high enough.
	Maybe they're not hot enough.
	Maybe they're not intelligent enough.
	Maybe they're not interesting or funny enough.
	So we can agree that women find most men unattractive.
	Now, let's go ahead and add in an extra part to filter it out some more.
	Now, you don't find them physically attractive enough.
	Okay.
	Now, is he actually charismatic and charming and you're attracted to him and you want to follow his lead, etc.?
	So most guys don't qualify.
	So I know for a fact that most women are not attracted to most men.
	Fortunately though, right, for some guys here, they're able to barter with other things.
	Maybe their money, maybe their status, etc.
	And they're able to get a girl to marry them.
	That's not going to last forever though, because he didn't have the prerequisite skill set to actually be attracted from a holistic level.
	He was able to pull her with her money.
	He was able to pull her with his clout.
	He was able to pull her with maybe a mouthpiece, but he was a brokie.
	So what ends up happening is, the girl Since the guy barely got her, right?
	She's like, oh, I don't fucking need this guy.
	And then the reason why, because you're saying, well, how do you know with the age gap that why she's leaving, etc.?
	Well, I know just off rip that most guys are simps.
	And most guys don't understand that they need to lead the relationship, especially in the West.
	You said earlier, right, that you like more liberal men?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	And I know you make a bunch of arguments for that, etc.
	You're a minority.
	Most women don't like how liberal men behave because most liberal men treat a relationship egalitarian.
	They think that men and women are equal.
	They go ahead and say, what do you think?
	What's your opinion?
	Most women don't want that.
	I know that's what you want, but most women don't like that.
	So you're saying most men are whatever, all this, you're true, but how you would have to explain my stat is by saying that those men are over-represented in the group that are marrying younger women.
	Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense because that would, if most men are simps, then most men who marry the women in the same age range are simps too.
	But for some reason, there's something, yeah, they are, but the divorce, you have to explain that by saying that the men who marry women younger than them are over-represented in simpness.
	Yes, because they're...
	Hold on.
	The reason why I can say that so conclusively is because I know that most men don't understand female nature.
	So, the men that are polled, that are getting married to these younger women that are getting divorced, right, but with this age gap that you're describing, what I'm saying is that they might have polled her with one skill set, maybe two skill sets.
	Maybe they had money, but they were charming.
	But they're ugly or whatever.
	Who knows?
	The point I'm trying to make is...
	Is that this age gap doesn't account for their ability to be a leader and be attractive in other facets because women have a multivaried analysis of what they like.
	But what I'm saying is those men that are marrying when younger to them have to be less likely than people who are marrying people in the same age for it to make sense why they're getting divorced at higher rates.
	They're average guys.
	Yeah, but the average guys are also marrying women in their age range.
	Are they more average if they're marrying someone younger than them?
	That's what I'm...
	There's a baseline here, and most guys are average.
	So by default, just because he's marrying lower-aged women...
	We're talking about average as far as being attractive and understanding female.
	I'm not talking about socioeconomics.
	I'm talking like they have certain preconceived thoughts where they just don't have attractive traits in their behavior.
	That's what I'm saying.
	And are those men to be more likely to marry women younger than them than men who have charm?
	They think marrying a woman that's younger is going to be better for them.
	But by default, they're still a simp.
	They still don't understand women naturally.
	So are men who marry women younger than them more likely to exhibit simp traits than a man who marries a woman 25 and older and generally in the same age range?
	That has a less statistical likelihood.
	I want to know what the age differential we're talking about here because we really need to clarify that.
	So 10 years basically.
	Ten years increases your likelihood of divorce by 40%.
	Because statistically speaking, women tend to, well they desire anyways, guys who are anywhere between three to seven years older than they are.
	So it comes out to right about five years as the difference.
	If the guy's five years difference, are we now in a different category?
	So, you are, but the likelihood of divorce is still higher than if you marry someone within three years, but ten years is when, like, ten years it goes up by 40%.
	That's quite a big difference.
	So, I would say, like, a lot of you guys, you guys are in your 30s, and you guys, at least, like, some of the stuff I've heard, oh, I want a woman who's 20, 21, 22.
	You are, that woman is more likely to divorce you than a woman at 25 is.
	That's what I'm saying.
	If you're a regular guy.
	Yeah.
	Key.
	Key, if you're a regular guy, you're excluding all the other advice we give.
	You're excluding, you're saying, okay, statistically speaking, if you're a regular guy and you get with a girl 10 years or above, you have a higher chance of getting divorced.
	True.
	However, if you implement all the other things we teach on this podcast with Understanding frame, understanding what arouses women versus what attracts them, the difference between that, getting your money on point, getting in the gym, being attractive, understanding how tonality, how to speak to a woman properly, right?
	Speaking to her in a certain type of way versus speaking to a woman versus speaking to a man.
	If you understand all these things, that's going to significantly reduce But wouldn't that reduce it for everybody?
	So my question is...
	Here's the thing.
	The difference is, I forget if it's called attractiveness differential or attractiveness quotient or attractiveness quotient differential, something like that.
	They talk about it in evolutionary psychology.
	The difference, it's not just his simpiness versus her attractiveness.
	It is the delta between the two that then makes him more simpiness.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	I get it.
	So I agree with you because relationships last longer when you marry somebody or you're with somebody of kind of equal attraction.
	For sure, because there's a leverage point.
	I do have a question, though, for you, kind of on the same line.
	You would agree, I mean, obviously we're talking about here, that women would just in general be able to get more attention from guys than the other way around, right?
	That's a leverage point in the relationship.
	Meaning, like, if she wanted casual sex, she could get it faster than, like, a celebrity, right?
	Okay, in that instance, do you believe that a more successful relationship would be for a woman to be more into her man than the other way around?
	I would say that, personally, I think it should be a partnership.
	But if it is a partnership, and she has the leverage point of being able to get so much more attention, like we talked about in this May-December wedding, do you see how that's a problem?
	Like, she has this leverage point that he doesn't have.
	And more access.
	A lot more access versus the opposite.
	It depends on the person.
	Like, I don't think that just having leverage or access to other people means that now that needs to be leveled out by you liking this guy more than...
	Right, but he doesn't have this leverage point that she does have.
	Do you understand?
	I guess another question would be, do you think a successful relationship or relationship would be more likely to be successful if a man leads in a relationship?
	I don't think so.
	You don't think a relationship would be more successful if a man leads?
	No.
	There you go.
	It is impossible.
	I don't necessarily think it's less successful, so a lot of times, leading, I don't know what that really looks like or means, but a lot of traditional conservatives, they do have marriages that last longer, but that has been attributed, at least from the research, to going to church.
	These kinds of things make you more likely.
	I haven't seen anything.
	What's the bottom line of church and religion?
	In the church, that would be the thing, is that the man leads.
	I would say that you also think you take marriage more seriously.
	You think it's a celestial bond from God.
	Those things are gonna make you take marriage.
	Let's not forget Hindus have the lowest divorce rate.
	Shout out to our Hindu brothers.
	I mean in the Middle East.
	I'm Middle Easter.
	My parents are both immigrants from Iran.
	They just don't get it.
	So you don't believe that a man should lead in a relationship?
	I think it depends on the people in the relationship.
	Some women, they like that, and I think those relationships can be just as happy and work out.
	And I think in other relationships, they want it to be more egalitarian.
	Would you agree that it's a majority, like a staggering majority of women that prefer the man to lead?
	I don't think it's a staggering majority.
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	I'm confused of what you guys mean by lead.
	Me too.
	Okay, let me go ahead and define it.
	The man is the primary decision maker.
	He can go ahead and get his woman's opinion.
	However, any serious decision is made by the man.
	Moving, anything like that.
	He is their predominant breadwinner.
	The woman works from an elective standpoint.
	And he's dominant and assertive in a bunch of other masculine traits that we tend to know.
	So one of the reasons, and Rolla brings this up sometimes, is that one of the precipitators of divorce would be if she starts making more money than him.
	More money than he does.
	Right?
	So again, now we have two leverage points.
	She makes more money than him, and she, by default, gets more attention than him.
	And so now he has lost on two leverage points, and the likelihood of divorce increases.
	That's why we're bringing this up.
	Can you see, like, on average, you think most women would want a man to lead?
	Would you at least say most women?
	It depends what you mean by lead, like when you say make all the decisions.
	Not make all decisions, we're obviously going to consult.
	The final decision maker.
	He can consult with his wife, the authority in the marriage.
	I have not seen any data to back this up, and definitely anecdotally, which is the only things I can go off of.
	I haven't seen instances of when the man is more likely to do that.
	Now, I think where you can make a correlation is that traditional conservative people, they're also more likely to go, because we have that, we have that.
	We know that people who go to church more, who are more religious, are more likely to stay married.
	And those relationships may typically take on that traditional provider and homemaker role more.
	And I have no problem with those kind of relationships.
	I just don't like a one-size-fits-all.
	Of course not one-size-fits-all, but there's definitely a one-size-fits-most.
	But where are you getting most?
	Okay, look.
	The thing is that if you look at what women are attracted to, right?
	Right.
	The things that women are attracted to all symbolize superiority.
	So, if the guy is going to be superior in every way from a physicality standpoint, a competence standpoint, etc., it would make sense that he leads.
	Women find it...
	I mean, even if you look at, like, women, I want a guy that plans a day.
	I want a guy that pays.
	When you look at the things that women are attracted to, the man is almost always controlling the framing and the direction.
	You're talking about anecdotal.
	I'll just say anecdotal, too.
	46, if I were in a situation where I consistently were like, yeah, honey, you make the decisions and all these things, I would get left.
	Like, I just can't think of a single leg exception.
	Yeah, so, in your relationship, but like, I'm a lawyer, and I, like, in those kind of, like, my friends that are also pretty, they have, like, partnerships.
	It's not like the male...
	That's the minority, though.
	But what I mean is, where are you getting the most, though?
	Because also, you're saying, yeah, they want men who are superior than them and competence.
	I'm not seeing that in any way.
	In fact, education, because the gap is reversed, a lot of times, like now they've done all these studies where women are more okay with men making one less money and also- Well, they kind of have to be, because 68% of new college graduates are female.
	And if society more degenerate than ever and all these other negative repercussions- No, I think we just evolutionary malfunction in 2020.
	Let me fix you.
	Go ahead.
	Thank you.
	I kind of do want to push back on the income standpoint because that data point becomes like a lot more varied when you research into it.
	For example, when you ask women, are they okay or do they want the man to make more income or what happens when the woman makes more income?
	Well, in a lot of cases, she's making more income, but she's expected to do the same amount of household labor as before.
	So now she's being the breadwinner and she's doing all the household chores.
	So then in those cases, a woman feels dissatisfied in the relationship because she feels like too much of the burden of labor is on her, for example.
	Do you feel like, say, from an evolutionary standpoint, women just have a proclivity to feel more dissatisfied in a relationship than a man?
	I'm not sure.
	The reason why is because there's actual studies on where you can control for men and women, which would be comparing the divorce rate for lesbian couples than you would for homosexual couples.
	And in those relationships, lesbians get divorced at 200% the rate that homosexual men do.
	And they're way more violent as well.
	They beat each other.
	- Okay, wait, that's also a really weird stat because it could also be that lesbian couples are more likely to, let's say, report on domestic violence while men are still-- - Oh, forget that, yeah, I agree with you with the domestic violence.
	I personally think they're not strong enough to knock each other out.
	That's why I keep fighting each other.
	But my point is, even when they don't have men to blame, they leave marriages more than men do.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	Yeah, I'm just not sure if that's...
	I think it's kind of weird when we take it into different sexual orientation, because I don't know if necessarily the dynamics of interest changes there.
	Lesbians are attracted to other women, so they're attracted to other feminine qualities.
	I'd rather focus on straight relationships, although I understand where you're coming from.
	Well, in lesbian relationships, there's typically a dominant, there's still a masculine and a feminine.
	There's still the right idea between the two.
	So, like, from a role standpoint, it's still there.
	There's a masculine and a feminine.
	There's still a masculine and a feminine.
	It's just that, and so many studies show this, women just tend to get bored in relationships faster than men, significantly faster.
	The thing is, we're not blaming you.
	We're saying, do you understand from an evolutionary standpoint what that would have to be?
	We lived in the 15th century where Kulia Khan and Genghis Khan killed 10% of the human population.
	They would murder the men and then they would take new wives.
	Those women had a choice.
	I'm either going to take a new husband or I'm going to die.
	There are different points to our evolutionary history where women had to monkey branch from one man to another.
	I understand what you're saying.
	You're saying, oh, women get dissatisfied faster.
	But regardless of that, we can still acknowledge that, hey, if a woman is gaining a greater income and is also still doing a greater majority of the household chores, that's going to contribute to her dissatisfaction because she just feels like the scales are so uneven.
	But when it comes to the cases of like, oh, no, men doing the same or more amount of household chores and she's maybe making less or same income, there's variables that you can play here where the woman doesn't feel as dissatisfied.
	That's what I'm trying to convey.
	Okay, I see what you're saying.
	She's making money and she's coming home to do homemaking stuff.
	Cool.
	But I think the more important thing here is that her being in the breadwinner position is really the main focal point where the issues arise.
	Because women don't really do that well when they're in a breadwinner position with a man.
	And they just don't.
	And they don't want to be, by the way.
	And again, Jasmine's going to say, well, that's not, etc.
	It's because both of them have an egalitarian ideal for a relationship or an egalitarian ideal for a marriage.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	I want to get the girls involved here.
	The conservative thing is more hierarchical.
	Ladies, give me a green or a red here.
	Give me a green if you prefer your man to be the leader.
	Give me a red if you want it to be more equal.
	Give me...
	I want to be totally...
	Okay.
	So, more equal.
	So, splitting the bills half and half, splitting the chores half and half, splitting financial responsibilities all together half and half, etc.
	That's what I mean when I say egalitarian, equal.
	Okay.
	And that's red, right?
	That's yes.
	If you want to be, yes.
	More green now.
	Okay.
	More green now.
	And again, I know this is like a small sample size, etc.
	But whatever.
	But you look, ladies, you can look around here, and I've asked this question to almost every group of girls that comes on.
	It's overwhelming the amount of women that prefer the man to be the leader.
	So, yeah, there's probably a selection bias going in the people that are here, but what I was saying is, yeah, of course it makes sense.
	If a woman has more resources and a woman is able to take care of herself, she's going to be more likely to leave a shitty situation.
	Or never get into a marriage in the first place.
	Well, even an equal situation should be.
	Or an equal situation.
	And, you know, they're not like, Women, when they fare off worse financially after divorce and all of that.
	So if a woman loves a man, she's gonna stay with him.
	She's not gonna leave him just because she got a raise.
	If she's leaving you because she's making more money than you, she never fucking liked you.
	That's what I think.
	Well, here's the thing.
	Women's emotions fluctuate and her doing better than her men can absolutely affect her emotions because women tend to look at men from a more prospective standpoint, either where they're at or where they're going to be.
	And if she's with the guy and she out-earns him and he's not doing something to take back that leadership role from a financial provider standpoint, She's gonna feel some type of way out of this.
	There are stats that show that the number one precipitator of divorce between couples who have been married already where they're either making equal or the man's making more and the woman gets a raise and pay of some sort so she gets a promotion or something.
	That is the number one precipitator for divorce.
	The other part of this is that also There's plenty of stats for this.
	from the polls that they've done up to now, anyways, they expect that man to make 68% more than she already makes.
	Now, put this into perspective.
	Well, then you've got more women going to university.
	You've got more women on OnlyFans.
	You've got more women making more money right now.
	And yet the expectation still stays the same.
	And it also stays the same, I should say, also in the most gender-egalitarian countries on planet Earth.
	Almost half of U.S. households right now have women making as much, the same, or more than the husband.
	And I agree with you, because women don't want...
	One of the things that happens in divorce is women are far more likely to have their standard of living go down.
	They're more likely to seek government assistance.
	In the long term, yes.
	In the short term, no.
	I really wanted to make sure I clarify this because everyone says, oh yeah, women's standard of living and they take a financial hit and they do worse off after divorce.
	And the funny thing is, is they still choose to leave.
	But the thing is, and I'm going to quote James Sexton here, is in the short term...
	That is, women do way better.
	In the long term, they don't.
	Because when the man is already coming back and already paying child support and already paying alimony after that, then you're seeing the transfer of resources from that man to that woman afterwards.
	The real crux of this is, is that the incentive for the divorce in the first place?
	And we can debate that.
	The problem is, you still have to get past one really big hurdle.
	Men are eight times more likely to kill themselves after a divorce.
	I agree.
	I 100% agree.
	So I saw you guys...
	That's the ultimate, you know, that's a big downside for divorce right there.
	Yeah, no, I completely agree with you guys.
	And actually, I saw, I love Richard Reeves.
	I think Richard Reeves' Of Boys and Men is a great book.
	I think everyone should read it.
	Like, I like a lot of the stuff he talks about there.
	But I just feel like, yes, a woman who is resources, who's able to take care of herself is going to not be as likely to stay in a shitty situation.
	I think that's really clear.
	But also that women want these men that are better than them in all these ways.
	This is changing as society is changing.
	I would argue that it is not because the machine hasn't changed in 200,000 years.
	Yeah, I find it hard to believe that, like, you're talking about cultural changes, but our evolution isn't going to change.
	Like, when women, when they're surveyed about when they make more money, they want men who make even more money than them.
	And this is an argument made about hypergamy going down.
	As the scale keeps going up, it's not like, well, I make a million dollars a year, so I need a boyfriend who only makes 50,000.
	It actually goes up even higher.
	There's a great study, Institute of Labor Economics, the study's called the Economics of Hypergamy, and this was even looking at since the 1800s to 2022, over 33 million marriages.
	Women typically marry men that are of the same status, and they're looking at all these countries.
	What kind of happens?
	You have to.
	Most people may...
	Since the 1880s, but that's the thing.
	That's because that's what we had.
	So if you lived in Des Moines, Iowa in 1910, then the only people you're going to...
	Your sexual marketplace is only going to be the people in Des Moines, Iowa in 1910 who are about the same socioeconomic class as you are.
	So hypergamy is only recent?
	But you're saying it's like...
	No, no, no.
	What I'm saying is hypergamy, like your ability to get to Drake has only been since Instagram came around.
	So women in Aldi since the 1800s, they wanted those better men, but they just couldn't get them.
	They didn't have access to them.
	Just like we didn't have access to pornography, they didn't have access to celebrities.
	Well, I think everyone wants, if they have access to something better than them, even men or women, they're going to want it.
	But in general, people tend to, across IQ, across socioeconomic status, and people tended to marry even across Aldi.
	The moment in which hypergamy was allowed to be expressed.
	So if you go and you look at things prior to the sexual revolution, we had the church.
	We had, was it, just like family stigmas.
	I'll give you a quick, for instance, single mothers prior to the sexual revolution was a cultural, social stigma.
	It was a shame.
	They had to put that woman away so she could have the baby and give it to the grandparents or whatever else.
	Today, that woman is treated as a superhero.
	She can now do it.
	That's the difference, by the way, in just the last 60 years, which is a blink of an eye in human evolution right now.
	So what I'm saying is this, is that we used to have buffers and checks and balances against men's sexual nature, which is unlimited access to unlimited sexuality, and we also had buffers against the worst parts of hypergamy, okay?
	Meaning, we had the church, we had social stigmas, we had family, we had mores that were buffers against those.
	Now those things are gone with the advent of hormonal birth control and the sexual revolution that was the result.
	I don't want to add to this real fast.
	It was always there.
	It just was the expression of it and the allowed to exist in the context has only been within the last, like, 65 years.
	You're saying that hypergamy was always just what they wanted, even though mating practices have not mirrored this.
	Yes, because we have one invention that allows us to see...
	I think the confusion, because I've had this discussion before, I think the confusion may be hypergamy is just money.
	You want a man who's taller than you, and if you have to stratify among several men, the man who may be taller than the rest of them, you have to choose between several men who are 5'6", and one who's 6'3", you're more attracted to the guy who's 6'3".
	And men are more attracted to the woman who's 6'3".
	That's hypoanjury, then that's what that'd be called.
	That's not the issue.
	My point is, the idea that hypergamy didn't exist before, it still existed before.
	Whenever I hear this argument, it's like, well, because people of the same socioeconomic group married each other, therefore no hypergamy.
	No, hypergamy is everything.
	Hypergamy is he is stronger than the other man.
	He's not the best man you can get, it's the best man you can't get.
	Yeah, but you guys, so what I'm saying is you guys are saying this is what women want, but the practices that have actually been, yeah, women marry men that are taller than them.
	So that physical part, maybe, although I wouldn't say they're more expensive.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	The tallest, yes, and the man wants the most beautiful woman.
	True.
	So what I'm saying is you're saying hypergamy was just what women wanted, even though it hasn't been reflected in mating practices.
	And even now, almost half of women are making as much or more or almost the same as the men.
	So when exactly was hypergamy just exploding?
	And other than on dating apps where people are just swiping, when is it actually, what real world evidence do you have of hypergamy actually determining mate selection?
	Because it doesn't seem to be there.
	No, the Tinder Bumble and Hinge is part of it.
	But that's not reflected in the real world.
	How is that not reflected in the real world?
	Maybe it's proving the point that this is what women want, but what people actually do in real life...
	You work on OnlyFans.
	It's right there.
	Wait a minute.
	Let's talk about the average woman.
	We have 28% of sexless men.
	Wait, where are you getting 28% of sexless men?
	Between the ages of 18 to 30, these men have had no sex in the last year.
	What year?
	But that went from 2014 to 2018.
	Not 2021, like we're trying to update all of a sudden.
	No, not 2022.
	2022, it's not that.
	It's between 12 to 15% that have had zero sexual partners.
	It has been on the steady decline since 1989, as a matter of fact.
	Yeah, because younger people.
	So, in fact, 25 to 30, GSS 2022, 8% of men reported zero sexual partners.
	Right up until 2020 when it fell off a cliff and then went right back up to where it is.
	No, it's not.
	It's 2022.
	See, here's the thing is, everybody wants to look at that GSS study.
	They want to look at just what's happened since, like, 2019 to where we are right now, as opposed to the fact that it was from 1989 all the way to 2018, which is the time shift for that entire life.
	No, I mean the 2018 was like the year that all the incels red pullers took that graph because that was actually an anomaly even when you looked at years before and especially when you looked at years after.
	Sexlessness is down.
	I'm looking at the GFS. That stat that you're looking at is one data point among probably like a dozen.
	It was an anomaly from 2008 when the iPhone was created till 2018.
	That's the point.
	No, because 2018, the 28% of men who reported zero sex, that wasn't in any other year that when that one GSS 2018 study that hasn't been there, and for zero partners, and then every year, even before and after, it's been less, and especially when you look at 25 and up, because 18 to 25 have lower, they're doing everything less.
	They're having less sex, they're more likely to be virgins, everything.
	As soon as you go 25 and up, do you know what the rate of virgins for men 25 and over are?
	It's like 2%.
	Look that up.
	For 25 and over, the rate of virgins, virgin males, are like less than 2%.
	Yeah, I don't necessarily think a man not being a virgin means that he's doing well sexually.
	It just means that he's not sexually one time.
	Or even if we looked at the most recent data we have, between 18 and 30, it's 12 to 15% of men.
	And if you look at 25 and up, it goes way down.
	And 25 to 30, it's 8% of men.
	But it has to progressively go down.
	Like, once I have sex, then I can't go back to not having sex.
	But I'm saying those people have one sexual...
	Like, if we look at just in the past year, in 2022, and you look at 25 to 30, 8% of men reported zero sexual partners.
	I wanted to, besides the sexless one, because you were saying like how is hypergamy personified now, right?
	Okay, so more and more women are meeting men online, right?
	I think somewhere between 20 to 50% of new marriages they met online, right?
	Less than half of women are online though.
	Like less than half of women use dating apps.
	I understand that, but it's growing exponentially.
	It used to be, we go back 10 years, right?
	It used to be kind of taboo to be on a dating app.
	Do you know what the number one dating app on planet Earth is?
	Instagram.
	And they don't keep data for that.
	I was like with the conventional dating apps, it's growing in the popularity of people meeting.
	And then on top of that, you add an Instagram, right?
	Because a lot of girls are meeting guys on Instagram as well.
	So you're saying, well, okay, how is hypergamy personified?
	If you look at the dating apps, women swipe right on Tinder, like on only 5% of the guys.
	On Bumble, most guys are virtually invisible.
	I think like 88% of men are invisible because women screen for six feet tall.
	That's a component of hypergamy.
	And here's the other thing too.
	You got to understand that hypergamy is a multivariate situation.
	What that means is women screen for a multitude of different things.
	Height, income, competence.
	Aesthetics, teeth, physicality, all these different things come into it.
	It's not just for money, because you're looking at it from a money perspective, but what I am saying is that Women, right, even though they say, oh, I want egalitarian and equal partnership, they don't necessarily, they're not attracted to that.
	They're not aroused by that.
	I agree with you about dating apps, but dating apps, we've seen time and time again, that data is not reflected into real life.
	This idea that this percent of men is having sex with all these women isn't borne out by the data.
	There seems to be a percentage of sociosexual women, and there seems to be a percentage of promiscuous men, and they seem to be fucking each other.
	That seems to be what's going on with that.
	But that percentage of guys that are promiscuous is a minority of men.
	Yeah, and it's also a minority of women.
	And what I'm saying, it's not just this minority of men that's having sex with all the women.
	There seems to be 10% of women around that are high in sociosexuality.
	They're more likely to have casual sex.
	And those women and the men that are also high in that are kind of sleeping with each other.
	Most people, if you look at all the GSS data from the past few years, over 80% of people are having sex with one person that year.
	They seem to be having sex in relationships.
	Also, when you talk about height, you're right.
	On dating apps, because we have no choice.
	Every time I use them, I go six feet and up too.
	Otherwise, I'm going to get way too many men.
	So there you go.
	So that's not perfect.
	That is not perfect.
	But when you actually look at what's happening in real life, ResearchGate did a big thing on this, like over 60,000 men, and they looked at BMI, they looked at height, and they...
	Yeah, that does have an effect.
	No, it doesn't, because it...
	Yes, it absolutely does.
	In fact, I can show you divorce stats when people are overweight.
	Pull up...
	That I do have an effect.
	The research, at least when it comes to number of sexual partners, lifetime sexual partners, extremely short, and then there was extremely short, short, whatever, and then extremely tall.
	Between extremely short and extremely tall, there was a difference of three.
	You have three more partners.
	When they looked at BMI, too, it was the same.
	It's not like it means...
	And then here's the other thing, too, because I want to tell you, because you're talking about this hypergamy, how is it personified?
	And then, like, again, we talked about this before, like in the 1800s, whatever, that you were talking about before, marrying across social status, etc., Cool.
	But you gotta remember, they were limited to their own geographic area.
	So a girl, right?
	She was only limited to the people in her neighborhood that her family knew, et cetera, and her town at best, right?
	But now, thanks to the internet, thanks to Instagram, et cetera, that has completely changed the game.
	And who's it changed the game for?
	It's women, because it's given women more options.
	It's created this aura of their grass is always greener on the other side.
	And here's the other thing, too.
	I can't tell you, and hell, you do this as well.
	Women always say, oh, I have so many guys in my DMs.
	I have so many men that approach me, et cetera.
	You are absolutely lying if you're not going to tell me that that does not influence your mating strategies.
	Because when you know that you have a bunch of guys in the pipeline, you can go ahead and afford to be way more picky and way more nitpicky on certain things that aren't that really big.
	But that's why women are so selective nowadays where most guys don't qualify because they have a huge arsenal of men that are willing to date them.
	So what's effectively happened, thanks to technology, is it's actually made hypergamy stronger.
	But what I mean is, why is that then not borne out?
	Because even now, people tend to marry across socioeconomic status, across IQ, even across physical attractiveness.
	So why are we not seeing with the advent of dating apps that now all these Starbucks women are marrying lawyers?
	It's not happening.
	Well, here's the thing.
	You're going to see it in the next 5 to 10 years once we actually have a good amount of time elapsed where social media has been used.
	I'll tell you exactly why.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Even in the past five years alone, there's been a drastic change in social media and usage and dating apps, etc.
	So we don't have the data yet.
	We're probably not going to see the data on the effects of what's going on now for another five to ten years.
	There was a 2022 study that looked at...
	Sorry, I know.
	Well, you told me I'd come here for a debate.
	So the 2022 study looked at a...
	I didn't say words since it was like...
	They looked at fraternities and they looked at these so-called chads that get all these swipes and they didn't seem, they had like a four point something percent increase in partners.
	It wasn't like Tinder going into these colleges were actually like, yes, I really don't mean to be rude, but can we like allow other people to speak?
	So to your point, right?
	Dating apps itself is manifesting women's true nature.
	Again, women that magically say, oh, six feet tall, good-looking is naturally in them.
	So dating apps, it came about on the internet.
	I'm just saying before, it was always there.
	But with dating apps, we have nothing.
	Like, if I go on a dating app, I don't care if a guy's six feet tall, but I have to select for something.
	But you can't otherwise...
	But what I'm trying to say is I have no choice but to screen for those superficial things.
	That's why a lot of women don't use them.
	That's why men are outnumbering women 3 to 1, 5 to 1 on these dating apps.
	Women don't like it.
	They're outnumbering men 5 to 1 and 3 to 1 because they're not getting sex.
	That is the reason.
	Why do more women use them?
	Why do less than 40% of women use them?
	Because you have Instagram.
	Because women in every culture are less interested in casual sex than men, and these dating apps are for casual sex.
	But the point wasn't whether or not you have sex on there.
	The point was, did you find these other people attractive?
	If the top 20% of men are getting 83% of the right swipes, but the top 43% of women are getting 63% of the right swipes, that means, in general, the distribution for men is equal, and the distribution for women is shifted to the left.
	I understand that, but in real life, that's the thing.
	If I go on a dating app, all I'm going to screen for, because I can only talk to 10 people, are the most attractive, but in real life, I don't give a fuck about that.
	So listen, real quick.
	Dating apps, right?
	Even before dating apps, didn't you worry about men's height or, for example, their looks off-rip without dating apps?
	Yeah.
	For you?
	What was the question?
	I'm sorry.
	So the question is, right?
	Before dating apps, right?
	Before you move on.
	You can do this with a yes or no.
	Yeah.
	All right, ladies.
	Get your things ready.
	Before dating apps...
	Go ahead.
	Ask your question.
	How did you select for men?
	Was it height?
	Was it looks?
	For example, did dating apps actually change your opinion of how you look for men?
	Did dating apps change?
	No.
	So from the very beginning, it was in you to want...
	Hold on, hold on.
	If it's a no, give me a thumbs down.
	If dating apps did not change your preferences in men...
	Okay.
	All right.
	Mostly girls are saying it did not change their preferences.
	So it was always there from the very beginning.
	But what I mean is you may say, okay, if your argument is women want this, women all want men that are six feet tall, fine.
	But what I'm saying is that the men that are six feet tall versus the men that are five, five, five, six, they're not having less.
	Those shorter men are not having less partners.
	They're having different partners.
	And that goes along with my...
	It's a sort of mating.
	It's similarity attraction hypothesis that people typically, even if they want this, what's happening in real life is people are still kind of falling.
	And then there seems to be a percentage of men and a percentage of women that are higher in social sexuality.
	They're more promiscuous and they seem to be hooking up with each other.
	The majority of people have had one partner.
	I'd be very reluctant to believe studies that deal with female promiscuity and them being honest and forthcoming about it.
	But you want to say something?
	Go ahead.
	Oh, I was just gonna say you're very smart, but I think that you talk too much.
	In my defense, when I got asked to be here, they told me there would be a switch.
	In my defense, they told me that they would have women like you on and then women like me on separately.
	I'm not even coming at you like, what is women like me?
	Cause we don't know each other.
	No, what I mean is like women who are, I haven't heard you.
	Maybe you're super equipped to have this conversation, but I was actually very not, but I would just like to let other people speak.
	Go ahead.
	Speak.
	No one's on your mind.
	To be fair, she thought this was going to be more of a debate.
	I think this is great.
	I think what they should do is just the two of them should square off.
	I agree.
	That's what I thought this was.
	Also, the chat is finding this kind of like...
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm with you.
	I disagree with you.
	It's losing I disagree with you about the hypergamy thing.
	We can have our own conversation later.
	I'm just saying, anecdotally, I'm confused that you don't see it either if you go out on a regular basis saying six women fighting for the same dude.
	I see it constantly, all the time.
	Dr.
	Scott Galloway agrees with me.
	Richard Reeves agrees with me.
	There is an inequity when it comes to dating.
	Anecdotally, I see it.
	I see a dude with a 500 body count and several of my friends with three.
	I see that all over the place.
	But if you don't believe that that's a side of my perk to me...
	Yeah, I think we should...
	I don't want to take more people...
	Okay, cool, yeah.
	We can talk about this outside of the podcast.
	You got something, Pixie, go ahead.
	That's what I was going to say is that we never finished that.
	We stopped at her.
	Don't worry, I have it still here written.
	Okay, I just want to say something quickly when it comes to the whole hypergamything and, you know, basically this huge disparity that you guys are claiming.
	I think, like, The fact is that when it comes to, like, similar socioeconomic classes, similar IQ, similar things like that, you can talk about there's less of a social stigma in place now, but how many guys do we know actually are going after single mothers?
	Like, it seems like that's still, like, you know, you can be like, the single mothers now empowered or whatever, but, like, most single mothers are going to have a harder time in the dating market than non-single mothers.
	Yes, of course.
	Yeah, and then I also want to, like, bring up an interesting study that I remember reading that was basically, um, women do select for, um, higher money, higher salary, but men also select for, like, higher education when it comes to women, interestingly enough.
	And I think that goes back to this whole idea that, like...
	No, they select for money too now, actually.
	Okay, but a lot of them also select for higher education.
	And I think when it comes to these highest socioeconomic classes, yeah, you have some men balling out, flying out to Starbucks barista, whatever.
	But I think a lot, especially when it comes to old money, still have these values in place of like, no, you have to have a proper lady from the proper background because you want to raise proper children.
	That's very true.
	Okay, then ask yourself, who's their mistress?
	If that's the case, if you honestly, honest to God, think that, why is the marriage rate at 5.1 per 1,000?
	Why aren't guys just lining up around the fucking block to get married right now?
	People give up on each other too fast.
	If it's going to make you happier and healthier and all this great stuff that comes after, we're all selecting for what we just want the best and we're vetting for intelligence and IQ and education level and everything.
	Why is it at the lowest recorded level in history?
	And don't say it's because of the last five years of the red pill.
	I was going to say there was this whole historical, or throughout society, this very strong idea that that's what you have to do.
	That's what you have to get.
	You have to get married to be happy.
	And I think a lot of people that were not in financially stable situations, that were in all sorts of different situations, got married when they weren't stable.
	And when, guess what, the opportunity to divorce came up, they took it.
	I think when you look at higher...
	I can speak to that right now.
	This was more to your point, Lib.
	Somebody asked me this later on, like in the 60s, hormonal birth control.
	One stat that tracks almost identically with the rise of use of hormonal birth control is the divorce rate, right from 1965 through 1975.
	Okay, I know correlation is not causation, but that is one fucking hell of a correlation.
	Why have the divorce rates been the same for a while?
	Why have the divorce rates not continued?
	Like, why have they been pretty steady?
	Because nobody's getting married.
	Well, so you were asking why, and I think our cultural, like, conception towards marriage has changed.
	The narrative around marriage has changed.
	We have one invention that turned the human race upside down, which is...
	Which is we gave the human reproductive process solely over to one sex, unilaterally to one sex, not only with hormonal birth control, but also with free and available abortion.
	Those are the two inventions, really, that happened, by the way, in that same decade right there, that essentially, I've said this before, is that it was more damaging to the human race than the atomic bomb.
	It has changed more about human society than anything else.
	But look at all the things that track between 1965 and 1975.
	What happened in 1971?
	We go off the gold standard.
	What happened in 1968?
	We have the no-fault divorce, which of course the conservatives, which I disagree on, say that the problem with society right now is because we have no-fault divorce.
	No.
	No-fault divorce was meant to facilitate all of the divorces that have been happening at As a result of hormonal birth control.
	So now you've got to have societal changes, legal changes, political changes.
	Now women have to get back into the workforce.
	Why?
	Because now they're single and they don't have to marry and they don't have to fuck beta males to make sure that they've got the beta buck side of hypergamy settled, which is provisioning protection and parental investment.
	Now I can have sex and I don't have to marry this bum because I don't have to worry about getting pregnant accidentally.
	So what happens?
	As soon as women have the ability, and by the way, this is the first time in human history that we have an invention that says you can have sex without having to worry about anything about pregnancy, and only one sex gets to control that.
	I mean, you know, the other thing that kind of in that time frame is women being able to work for themselves and enter the workforce.
	Right, and the reason why they had to is because they were all getting divorced because they needed to support themselves.
	Wait, no, no, no.
	You see the rates of, like, women being able to enter the workforce, like, pre, basically around World War II, right?
	The men were out of the country.
	No, they all came back.
	They all came back from the factories.
	Yeah, they all came back to the factories.
	And guess what?
	Women, guess what?
	They came back from the factories and women, you see like the second, third wave feminist movement coming in full swing, saying like, hey, we were able to work before.
	We were able to gain some sort of like financial stability.
	In 1968, right as the sexual revolution was in the swing.
	But you're basically attributing this to the sexual revolution.
	What I'm saying is that this is more of like a, I guess, financial revolution more than anything else.
	Women had economic freedom.
	They could not have facilitated were it not for the hormonal birthright.
	So you're taking a correlation and putting a causation on it.
	There's something called a condom.
	Women had economic freedom before birth control.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	The push for women's economic freedom happened prior to birth control.
	It seemed like the second that women were able to start bringing finances into the household and started to gain a bigger salary, this was already a motion put in place.
	I can show you stats right now where the GDP or the real income For families, it stays the same, but productivity goes through the fucking roof right around 1971.
	Why is that?
	Because we have more women in the workforce, we have no-fault divorce, we have going off the gold standard.
	Oh, and then, by the way, women who weren't allowed to have credit cards up until about 1974, that wasn't as a result of feminism coming in there.
	It was because we didn't have to worry about it anymore because we have fiat currency now.
	So, ladies, you need credit cards because now you're going to be single, you're going to be taking care of kids, and you're going to be divorced.
	And now you're also in the workforce.
	As a result, you see real wages flatline, but you see productivity go through the roof.
	Because what we've done is we've put women into the workforce, but we haven't really seen that translate to real wages.
	We see it translate crazy in productivity.
	Wait, so you're saying women...
	So men have been...
	You guys have flatlined, but we've...
	We're going up.
	No, women and men have flatlined.
	Productivity goes up.
	Because if you go and you look at...
	I'm working on this almost a small book on 1971 right now.
	So if you look at the societal changes in the post-sexual revolution society, which, by the way, we're still in right now.
	If you look at from 1965 to 1975, just that decade, and you look, we have no fault of force.
	We have abortion happens then.
	We have the rise of hormonal birth control.
	We have...
	Divorce rates skyrocket.
	We put more women into the workforce.
	We look at Title IX happens right around then.
	If you look at all of those, you can track every single thing that we talk about here when it comes to gynocentrism or when it comes to feminism.
	All those stats, they trace back to one fucking year, and it's 1971.
	Well, so you're saying women, because, I mean, like, Reeves even talks about this, how our wages have gone up and your guys haven't.
	You're saying that's not true.
	That's only in recent times, because now we have finally got past, oh, I should also add fertility rate.
	Fertility rate has been below replacement level since the mid-70s as a result of this as well.
	So all these people banging a gong about fertility rate, you should have been talking about that in the mid-70s.
	But as far as...
	You're saying women's wages have...
	You have more women in law, you have more women in psychology, you have more women in...
	Well, basically, in enrollment, but also far more women graduating because men are tending to drop out because they don't see any point.
	There's no incentive for them to do it anymore.
	Because prior to the sexual revolution, men's means to getting sex was to be a good provider, to have a good job, to have provisioning protection and parental investment.
	That's what they could rely on.
	Now...
	Women don't need a man, but they want a man.
	Yeah, I agree with you, and that's why, like, with Reeves and stuff, he talks about this, too.
	We need to flip the education.
	It's a really bad thing that men are not getting educated, that men are dropping out.
	This is so fun.
	She's agreeing with us, dude.
	We should just move on.
	The difference between my take and Reeve's take is this.
	He sees this as some sort of social construction problem.
	It's not.
	It's a naturalistic problem.
	The machine hasn't changed since 200,000 years, okay?
	So to say, oh, we need to flip.
	We need women to be more attracted to guys who are these weesh beta male douchebags because they need more love.
	80% of guys are deemed unattractive.
	How can we get more women to lower their standards so they can get with these 80%ers?
	That's not going to happen because of the way that the machine is built for men and women.
	Do you believe in evolutionary psychology?
	Can we clarify that right now?
	Yes.
	I mean, I wouldn't say it's the strongest because it's top-down reasoning.
	What would you say is stronger?
	I mean, like if you're looking at a study, like observational, when there's like actually a Control group, all that.
	You can't do that with evolutionary biology or psychology, which is why there's a lot of disagreement, even when it comes to human mate.
	Serial monogamy seems to be the most successful mating strategy for us, but there is disagreement.
	You guys need to get in.
	Do you think there is a crisis in dating?
	Do you think there's an inequity?
	What do you mean inequity?
	So, for instance, a small group of men, and I'm not saying 20% of men are fucking 80% of women, but a small group of men, like say 30% of men, are having sex with like 60-65% of the women.
	No, I don't think that's borne out by the data.
	That's only borne out by Tinder swipes and swiping.
	But when you look at the data, it doesn't seem that's fake.
	Okay, well, let's go from beyond the data.
	Let's look at the enormous amount of men that are addicted to porn.
	Let's look at the enormous amount of men that don't necessarily approach women anymore.
	You've got women approaching this.
	And this is where you've got to kind of take the stats, and then also take common sense, and look at everything else.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	You've got to look at the totality of the circumstances.
	Stats give you one picture, and then it's up to you to use critical thinking to establish the other picture.
	If guys are getting laid, and they're fucking women, They're not going to be watching porn most of the time.
	But tell me why there's an enormous amount of men that have debilitating addictions to pornography.
	Matter of fact, you benefit from it significantly.
	You make a significant amount of money off of your OnlyFans.
	You would not be able to do that if men were actually getting laid.
	Your own success is contingent upon men not getting laid.
	But there was a recent study on, like, yeah, the demographic, you're probably talking about what I'm talking about.
	The demographics, 90 or something percent of men on OnlyFans are married.
	So how are they lonely?
	Because they're not having sex.
	They're not having sex.
	You're saying marriages are more common, man.
	Can I say one thing?
	Do you realize, ladies, that so many guys earn marriages where their woman doesn't want to fuck them anymore?
	So I don't want to like expose my friend or anything, but she has sex with her boyfriend every single day.
	She does everything with him.
	Like, I don't want to be like specific, but We probably won't know who they are.
	He still jerks off to porn three times a day.
	Regardless of having sex.
	He's 18 years old.
	He's 26.
	Can I argue for something very quickly?
	I think the idea of like, oh, you know, Porn addiction comes from a lack of sex is not necessarily true or congruent.
	And the reason why I would argue this is because porn addiction is basically just like sexual gratification on the constant, right?
	You could be having constant...
	It's basically another form of sex addiction, in my opinion.
	Because when you're having a sex addiction, you want to constantly get off.
	And it's the same thing with a porn addiction.
	You're constantly looking for that short-term gratification.
	Yeah, but way more people have a porn addiction than a sex addiction.
	That's fair.
	I mean, it's like a hundred to one.
	But the point that I'm trying to get across is that you could still be having sex with other people and still have a porn addiction.
	You could be, but the issue is...
	You guys are fantastic at isolating certain things versus, again, looking at the totality of the circumstances.
	Let's just use some common sense.
	Why has dating content exploded over the past couple of years?
	Why has there been more men reporting loneliness and depression?
	Why are most men single?
	Why are so many guys addicted to porn?
	Why are so many guys struggling to get dates?
	Why do so many men fail on Instagram with DMing girls?
	Why do so many guys strike out when they talk to women?
	Why do most guys get rejected?
	If you look at the totality of the circumstances, it's very obvious.
	My point is, why are we here?
	Why is there a fresh and fit?
	Why are his books best-selling?
	Why do I have 2,700 clients?
	When it comes to porn addiction, one, it's super misunderstood.
	I would look at Dr.
	Nicole Prowse, UCLA neuroscientist.
	No, moral incongruence seems to be a huge factor when it comes to porn addiction.
	It's not even considered an addiction by the APA. That's one thing.
	That's one thing.
	Then the friendless thing is another thing.
	The friendless thing is a huge thing.
	I agree with that.
	For sure.
	But then there's Scott Galloway talking about the inequity of dating.
	And then Chris Williamson today talking about 50% of men dropping out of dating.
	And then the people watching this.
	And all the other content with millions of people watching.
	And Andrew Tate becoming the most Google person in the world.
	And me.
	My little ass getting 2,700 clients and his books being bestsellers.
	At some point, something is fucking broken.
	30% of men on dating apps or on Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge are fucking married.
	Something is broken.
	Yes, I understand that.
	I recommend everyone read Johan Hari's Lost Connections.
	I do agree with you.
	Actually, social media does seem to have contributed to a lot of these issues, especially when it comes to loneliness for everybody.
	I agree there are issues.
	I just don't think there's problems.
	No, because you went, because before, they cited the 2018 study, and you're saying it's not that high.
	And what I'm telling you is, is that it's definitely damn near close, if not spot on.
	Because when you look at all the other factors and use critical thinking, look at the explosion of dating a concept for men, look at the meteoric rise of Andrew Tate world fucking wide, right?
	Because he's saying things that are very basic, but a lot of guys have not been able to You have to understand, like, literally, like, Andrew, what is his name, Date Psych, whatever his name is, his entire existence comes from trying to go against what people in this space are saying.
	Like, he wouldn't even exist if there wasn't a problem.
	I agree with you, and I'm not disagreeing that there has been, like, oh, I agree with, like, Reeves, right?
	There has been an attacks, quote-unquote, on masculinity.
	Now, I agree with him also that this type of content is not the best solution, but I'm not saying that there isn't a problem.
	But we're also like, oh, look at all these people watching this.
	Well, yeah, it's like being in a hospital and being like, look at all these sick people.
	Yeah, but like, David Buss doesn't go on Joe Rogan.
	There is no Scott Galloway talk.
	Like, this entire thing.
	Like, we aren't even paying attention to it if it isn't a thing.
	I agree we should.
	That's why I read of Boys and Men.
	I'm not a boy, but I care about this.
	And I do think that I like how he put actual policy proposals.
	The point I'm trying to make is that there is an open policy proposal that I'm based on social construct.
	Because you were trying to make your argument before.
	You're not going to necessarily have stats for everything.
	What I'm trying to say is there's absolutely an overwhelming amount of men that are fucking clueless and not getting laid.
	That's a fucking fact.
	That's true, but I don't think that's a fact.
	Okay, so you're already arguing.
	Real quick, you had a question, but before you said a question, by the way, your friend's pussy's trash, that's why.
	Go ahead.
	All right, so what I really wanted to say was the bottom line is the dating pool is in shambles right now, and I feel as though women are trying to be men.
	The men they wanted to marry.
	So now the men are no longer wanting to play their role.
	Long story short, just keep it a buck.
	They're not incentivized to play their role.
	And to add on to that, I agree with her.
	I think female promiscuity added to that and made more simps.
	Question for you for dating.
	What do you think is the problem?
	They just mentioned women trying to be men, but what do you think?
	I think it's both sides.
	I think men need to be better men.
	I think the world has become more like convenient and easy and instant gratifications and all that.
	So I think men also, we don't need to just tell women like, oh, y'all should lower your standards.
	Everybody should raise their standards on both sides.
	Besides dating criminals, what about you?
	What do you think?
	I agree with them.
	Nah, come on.
	Something original.
	I really do agree with him.
	I think that, like, now women are trying to be men.
	They're trying to take the higher role.
	And, you know, I just don't think a guy would want a woman who's doing all that.
	Women have become the men that they want to marry.
	Yeah, what's the point of him doing what he's supposed to be doing?
	You know what I think it is?
	I feel like the reason why this debate keeps going is because...
	Merch.
	Merch.
	I just got dunked on.
	That was on me.
	I got that one.
	It's because we're describing two sides of the same coin, right?
	There's more women in the workplace.
	That means there's less marriage and a lower rate of fertility and more divorce.
	There's more women in the workplace.
	That's great because it has more freedom for women to leave bad relationships.
	You're saying the same thing statistically.
	It's just what you're saying is these things are good and this is great.
	Go ahead.
	Women act off emotion, so I think...
	Got it, yes.
	Thank you.
	I'm just, I'm agreeing with you.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, it's the thing, women acting on emotion, it's just like two sides of the same coin.
	The egalitarian, because you're more progressive, the egalitarian nature of what's happened in the last couple years, you're like, that's worth it.
	It's worth it to have a lower fertility rate.
	It's worth it to have fewer people getting married.
	And our side is saying...
	Oh, well no, that's actually bad.
	So, why then are the most educated people, which academia leans left, right?
	Why are they the ones getting married more than before and everyone else is getting married?
	Shut up, bitch!
	Why are the least educated people getting married as the most educated people getting married more than?
	Because they're incentivized to do so, socioeconomically.
	It's better for them to get...
	I mean, hell, everybody says, oh, you're going to be happier, you're going to be better off.
	Men make more money when they're married, right?
	And the other thing is, they're not.
	We're still at the lowest fucking marriage rate in recorded history.
	So what you're saying is, educated people get married more, and what he's saying is, just people in general getting married less.
	I agree with that.
	I would also say there are religious, cultural reasons for that.
	We're becoming less religious as a society.
	We're culturally becoming more religious.
	I don't think it has anything to do with that.
	I think it has to do with the machine itself.
	One other thing, too, because you were saying that women just have the ability to leave shitty relationships.
	What I would say, because we've got to define what a shitty relationship is, for most women, that's going 50-50.
	Which is what you prescribe, which is what you want.
	But most women don't want that, is what I'm trying to say.
	I don't think, what I'm saying is that women who are divorcing men, I don't think they're doing it, which is why college educated women are less likely to do it, to get into that situation in the first place.
	They're with these men.
	A lot of women are with men because they provide for them financially.
	And the women who aren't with them for any other reason, like they actually love them, when they get that financial incentive, they're more likely to leave a man that they don't love.
	But if you love somebody, you don't just get divorced because you made money.
	Which again, Grace, back to the point we were making earlier.
	Like, she does have validity in what she's saying and the point that she's talking about the average everyday guy.
	And the whole premise of this podcast is teaching men how to become high-value men.
	That's why you guys are on here.
	That's why the guests who are on this panel are here.
	Because we're trying to make a point of difference.
	So what percentage of men can be high-value?
	Because if everyone's high-value, then no one's high-value.
	So the majority are still not going to be high-value.
	16%.
	One and a half standard deviation.
	It's not even just being high value.
	It's about...
	Not everyone's going to be high value, but everyone can understand female nature.
	Let me see if I can put this in.
	It's one and a half standard deviation.
	She will not stop.
	Hold on, real quick.
	60%.
	Philly, I want your take on this.
	So, you said that...
	Higher educated people and people that make more money get married more often, correct?
	No, they're getting more...
	They're the only ones whose marriage rates are going up and everyone else's is going down.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I don't actually think they...
	So that's pretty much what I said?
	Kind of.
	So, let's be honest here.
	Most people in the United States don't have even a thousand dollars to set aside.
	Let's be real.
	People who are middle class or lower poor, they can't get married.
	So I feel like you're facing...
	You're facts and figures off of people who can afford to get married to condense their finances who aren't at risk for financial ruin because of any sort of medical issue or anything like that.
	It's not necessarily about choice.
	A lot of times it can be about ability, and I feel like that's a factor you're not taking.
	Yeah, that's why people are getting married later.
	So the average homeowner age has gone up significantly recently.
	You're right.
	And that's why that 18 to 25 age range, a lot of my guys are having less sex.
	They're getting married.
	Less adolescent risk behavior has gone down almost every metric in that age group because you're right.
	It's harder to be more financially stable and ready.
	But for a lot of cultures all throughout, you would get married.
	Just getting married was part of the norm, especially in a certain age.
	Also, on the show, we recommend men not to get married in the state.
	By the state.
	By the state.
	Legally.
	Legally.
	But legally, you don't want to be married legally.
	Real quick, what's your stance on this as well for dating?
	So, I think that...
	Sorry, there's just been a lot.
	I know.
	Just to bring it back to the whole prefrontal cortex thing.
	Yes.
	Sorry.
	Just to bring it back to the prefrontal cortex thing.
	Yes, at 25, your prefrontal cortex is developed, but that doesn't mean that...
	You've done the things like you've been healthy enough for it to be fully developed properly and if it's not properly developed you're actually not good at making decisions and it's actually more teens are drinking more drugs sex and when you introduce that stuff at a younger age you're not going to have a fully developed prefrontal cortex.
	So you should wait even longer?
	Sure.
	No, that means that at an earlier age, you need to not be pressured by outside world because I think that the reason why people do drugs, alcohol, and that kind of sex is because they think it's cool.
	I've never been drunk in my life, so I agree with you.
	Alcohol and drugs, bad idea.
	We agree with you.
	But that's not going to change, though.
	We need to get off this idea that we need to get off of TikTok and get into the real world.
	The real world now includes TikTok.
	So how do we navigate around that, basically?
	What we need to do is understand we are living in a time of an evolutionary mismatch.
	And we have been.
	Since the advent of fucking antibiotics and nuclear warfare, we've been an evolutionary mismatch.
	The only thing you can really do is identify the problem and adapt off of the identified problem.
	And what I would say here, controversial take, I think feminism is a big part of the problem for a lot of things.
	I think there's a strong argument that inflation is directly tied to feminism, and the reason for that is because you used to be able to sustain a family on one income when men work.
	Then once women enter the workforce, you effectively double the workforce.
	Well, guess what?
	Employers can now pay half as much as they did before because now they have twice as many employees.
	Well, as Ray said on your show, we've also brought in trillions of dollars to the economy since the 1970s just because women entered the workforce.
	Well, here's the thing.
	Women don't really do productive...
	Here's the thing.
	Women don't really do...
	If I'm going to be honest here, women don't really do jobs that contribute to society and infrastructure.
	Okay, so you just disagree with that step then?
	Yeah, I mean, women dominate a lot of useless jobs.
	What do you call teachers and healthcare providers?
	They ruin education.
	That's one of the few components that they dominate that's helpful for society, but in general, men run all the jobs that keep society going.
	So lawyers are almost 50-50, doctors are almost 50-50 now.
	Lawyers are almost like 85 right now.
	No, look it up, look it up.
	I just saw it.
	It's like 60 to 70.
	It's 60 to 70, something like that.
	Psychology and law have been this way for the last 15 years, far more women.
	Even in banking and finances, it's actually more skewed towards women nowadays.
	There are so many industries that are more skewed towards women.
	So you're saying lawyers don't contribute to society?
	Lawyers are useless.
	Shout out to James Sexton.
	Someone being a lawyer and then a practicing attorney are two different things.
	Because there's a lot of people that...
	I passed the bar.
	I'm a lawyer, but they're not actually employed.
	And a lot of them are females.
	Yeah, I'm one of those.
	But in general, still, but even practicing attorneys, it's almost 50-50.
	And so those women, or even doctors, are getting really close to 50-50.
	Practicing physicians, you're saying those women...
	The population isn't a doctor or a lawyer, though.
	I understand, but he was saying that women are doing jobs that don't contribute, and I'm saying that some of these top professions that are doing a lot of contributing are almost half women.
	That's cool, but that's a minority.
	I'm talking about infrastructure keeping the world going.
	Real quick, we're going to do girls ask questions because they don't have a turn to speak at all.
	Let's do some chats real quick because they've been waiting as well, too.
	- That is 1:40 in the morning, by the way.
	- Oh wow.
	- It's almost time to go.
	- Oh my gosh, what a good time. - Jasmine, will you take Rolo to the airport?
	Will you drive him to the airport for it?
	I don't live here.
	I mean...
	Well, you know, I think she should come on your show.
	I think so, yeah.
	I don't want to rush this one.
	Who's got to go to the club or some shit?
	Who's got to go?
	If you got to go...
	I'm going to roll in a minute.
	It's not that, bro.
	Yeah, it's a whole stand-up, bro.
	We spoke about it, bro.
	Roll up on a roll.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What do we got here?
	Get on your knees.
	1304 Laurier's breast looks like an open wound on baby?
	What the fuck?
	Okay.
	Chris, my bro.
	Call in the stupid 3X panel's body count.
	Don't cap.
	Okay.
	What do we got here?
	Ivan goes, it's not about brain development.
	It's about the values your parents instilled in you and showed you through example.
	Okay.
	It's about your genetics.
	Yeah.
	On her first show, OF lawyer said that only one-third of men struggle with women because of a study.
	Studies have an extrovert bias.
	They like new experiences and meeting new people, so they show up.
	Introverts would rather stay home, one of two.
	Oh, okay, there's a second part of this.
	John May goes again.
	This means that one of three extroverts struggle with women.
	Since they are the men that women prefer, that means that the majority of introverts are invisible to women.
	These are incels, the virgins of your OF subscribers.
	You can interpret studies two of two.
	You can't interpret studies.
	And that's what I mean.
	You've got to look at the totaled circumstances.
	I didn't even think about that.
	But when you look at everything, dude, guys are absolutely struggling with women.
	From everything I've seen, the majority of men are invisible to women.
	The vast majority of men are invisible to women.
	It's just one of these things where I just see tons of evidence to show this.
	And whenever I hear Scott Galloway talk about it, or if I hear Chris Williamson talk about it, or if I hear Richard Reeves talk about it, And I understand that there's some study that shows, well, this guy at 25 had one sexual partner.
	That doesn't quite, like, quell the problem.
	So I agree that men are, you have to define struggling.
	If you're defining struggling as they're not having as much sexual success, like I say, it's 100% of men that are struggling.
	That's one sign, though.
	That's one sign.
	It's a loneliness and sex as an allegory to, or as one data point explaining they're getting fewer dates.
	And a man, a woman, left swiping 6,000 times to go on one date on Tinder, Bumble, or Hinge.
	Or just several of these different situations.
	Or Ashley Madison being 98% men.
	Or six times as many men on dating apps as women.
	Those type of situations are an indication to me that there is a bunch of men not doing very well with women.
	And also, don't forget, just because a man has a woman doesn't mean he's getting intimacy.
	So where does he go?
	Porn or OnlyFans?
	I am so lucky.
	I wish I had time to watch porn.
	I have a 21-year-old girlfriend.
	Honest ratings, starting from the couch.
	Oh, shit.
	There we go.
	LCO2. Dixie, one.
	Marina gained three.
	Miss Dura, three.
	Lex Luger, one.
	Blow Up Doll,.5.
	Gapped 2.
	Sky Bree, 0.
	Leave my nigga Nick alone.
	Bob Fish, 1.5.
	Black and Face, 2.
	Tell these weasels to take off their makeup.
	No make it gang.
	I think if you grade on a curve, you guys are doing great.
	I truly do.
	I've seen the ratings I usually do.
	Sartain and Rollo, holy shit, look at the standard deviation of the body count of both cohorts, LMAO. The data says, wow, I think it was statistically significant too.
	Yeah, this had to do, there was one study where it was like the top 5% of men, it had 150 sexual partners, the top 5% of women, it was like 35.
	So I think that's what he's referring to there.
	These girls have been ran through more times than the yellow light ladies.
	These days expect to be treated like a queen, but have been taking more loads than a washing machine.
	Silly lawyer goes...
	Oh, okay.
	The hymen slayer goes...
	Why is it that women hit their growth spurt first?
	It's not the hymen slayer.
	Why is it that when women hit their growth spurt first, that we are taught that women mature earlier than men, obviously, for relationships, but when they become old CVM dumpster, Twinkie whores, they argue that women are not fully developed yet.
	Interesting.
	Well done.
	707 goes, Punching Bag Lawyer is Dululu.
	Kick the podcast through your floors so that other girls can talk.
	Okay, we'll give the girls a chance right now.
	Sterling, you seem to only date traditional women.
	What would you do if their family disapprove of your union because of your porn star passed?
	I'd like Rollo to chime in as well since he argues what the girl's father must approve.
	What about you, Sartain?
	Oh, bro, I don't know if we have enough time for that one.
	Sterling, does that fuck you up?
	I convince him.
	That's the answer.
	Convince the dad?
	I'm a charming guy.
	That's number one.
	And?
	And you don't do it anymore.
	I think that's a big one.
	And your new car.
	And I'm retired repenting.
	Right.
	Number two.
	A car?
	Forget the car.
	Come on.
	Forget my car.
	Come on, man.
	Come on.
	No, but...
	To be honest, you're a man's man.
	So you understand from a father's standpoint what he wants for his daughter.
	Precisely.
	Like, I'm going to communicate to him the same way I would want...
	This is a good thing.
	Kylie's dad is a US Federal Marshal.
	This is a good thing.
	I want to live up to the standard that he wants.
	I don't have any problem with this.
	I'm glad that he has high standards.
	That's why he raised such an awesome daughter.
	Bingo.
	Amazing.
	I was really curious what you guys think about men doing porn and OnlyFans versus women, because obviously you have your opinion about women doing it.
	So her boyfriend, for example, who is...
	Sorry to single you out.
	How do you think that influences the relationship between a man and a woman versus the opposite, where the woman is the one who's doing it?
	I can chime in real quickly.
	Yeah, you're the one, right?
	It has had zero impact on my dating life.
	Precisely zero.
	I've dated girls who are super privileges.
	My last three girlfriends were all extremely...
	Would you guys agree?
	Again, the data would show that women are far less interested in a man's body count than the other way around.
	This is a 37 culture study that they show that pretty much exclusively.
	Also, women are far more interested in a man's ability to acquire resources.
	About 100% more than the other way around.
	But aren't men now more likely to, I think even bust in like 2021, Corinne Lowe, the one that Richard Reeves mentioned, that men now are rating women as more attractive when they make more money than in the past.
	I think if I had two to pick from and one of them was a millionaire, I could see that.
	I could see it as a tiebreaker, but I don't know.
	It's icing on the cake.
	How hot is she?
	My girlfriend was broke when I met her.
	I could not have cared less how tall she was or how much money she made.
	Yeah, so like the studies where they bring like two million people and they put pictures and then even for men and women and they put different incomes.
	No, no, no.
	You're talking about the one where they put them in different outfits?
	No, no, no.
	I'm talking about the Corinne Lowe one, the economist one, who took two million, I think, dating app users or whatever, and they put a picture of me, and then they put how much money I make, whatever.
	And when I made more money, I was rated as more attractive by men.
	I think there's no way you wouldn't be rated more attractive by men if it's the same physical form and we have two people to choose from.
	I'm more attractive, I make more money.
	But you're not more arousing.
	That's what I mean when I say you argue with bad faith.
	I want you to consider the other one.
	It was Gadsad.
	The one Gadsad referred to when he was on Joe Rogan where he talks about they showed a man in three different outfits and the bottom one being McDonald's and then they did a woman in three different outfits and the bottom one being McDonald's and none of the women said that they would date the guy in the McDonald's outfit and then the man who had the Rolex and looked like very wealthy many of the women said I would consider going out with him but there was no difference in the three photos for women.
	So you're right that still men care less, but I'm saying that we're seeing as time goes on, men are caring more and more than they did in the past.
	Could it be because they're all poor now?
	Who is it that cares?
	It's the men that you're not attracted to.
	The men that care about a woman's income a lot of the times are the guys that women inherently aren't attracted to anyway.
	And here's the other thing, too.
	You just said it yourself.
	You answered your own question.
	Oh, well, it's the same picture.
	One says $100,000.
	Another one says $50,000.
	Well, yeah.
	The guy's going to go with the girl that makes $100,000 because he's like, okay, she makes more money.
	No, but it wasn't just the same.
	What I'm saying is they looked, they put a bunch, and they found overall men were rating women as more attractive.
	Do you know what the correlation was?
	Again, you're missing the biggest thing.
	Looks come first.
	Everything, like, finances is like a distant, like, seventh place.
	But it's becoming more and more, like, men, this idea that men don't care, men are finding women more attractive when they make more money.
	Yeah, and that should be raising the marriage rate, but it fucking isn't, so...
	It is for us, it is for us.
	It's for the women making a lot of money and are most educated.
	It's raising it for us.
	I can't get a job in education.
	I can't get a job in psychology.
	Can I talk?
	Hold on, she was first.
	I just have one thing to say to Sterling.
	So, my boyfriend does OnlyFans, so you guys are in like, you formerly, same career field.
	Retired, repenting.
	But that's what he says.
	He says like a lot of like...
	Porn stars, like, former porn stars, they'll, like, go into the business, make a shit ton of money, and then, like, try to, like, turn it around, and, like, try to leave it in the dust, and it's, like, but you still...
	No, not a lot.
	No, not a lot.
	No.
	Unless he's doing gay stuff.
	But only the big ones, that's the thing, like...
	No, no, he knows.
	There's about, like, four.
	There's about four.
	Let me give you some perspective.
	So, when I was working in Los Angeles as a male talent, right, I am working with about...
	A roster of about at least a thousand, if not one and a half thousand women, right, across the country.
	The male talent pool, at most across LA, Vegas, Miami, and the rest of America, 50 dudes who are regularly shooting.
	Wow.
	So, there's a great book on this.
	It's called After Porn Ends.
	Have you ever seen it?
	No.
	Just skip to the end.
	At the very end, they go after what happens.
	Have you seen this movie?
	Yeah, I have.
	At the very end, you just see all the women.
	They go back into porn.
	Several of them get back into drug addiction.
	It's just horrible.
	And the guys are playing golf.
	One of them opened a law firm.
	Like, absolutely, they had families.
	It just doesn't seem to have the same effect being sexually promiscuous for men as women.
	It doesn't.
	And there's the exception to the rule, you know, but at the end of the day, like everything you're saying right now may be factual based on what you've been through, but that does not necessarily...
	I didn't speak about my anecdotal experience.
	I brought up stats.
	My anecdotal experience being...
	But would you agree that stats are lagging and also something like social media is such an exponential factor and something that is growing at such a rapid rate that this could be the end-all and be-all that are literally breaking or making stats in the next couple of years?
	Sure, so like Myron speculated we're gonna see this actually, because all I'm saying is right now it's not making these real-world effects.
	I'm looking at real-world effects.
	Would you be that surprised if you saw them?
	I wouldn't.
	Would you be mind-blown if you saw what he said actually play out over the period of the next five years?
	I can vehemently agree that I would be mind-blown if the stuff that's said on this podcast would be actually borne out.
	Well, it'll be a fun five years from now.
	What specifically?
	What specifically?
	What do you mean?
	If all the things you guys say, that if men and women are doing these more traditional things and that men are dating all these 19-year-olds that are virgins that aren't educated, that all of a sudden that's going to be really great.
	A lot of the stuff you guys say, like if all of that starts to actually play out in the data, if we're seeing this great increase in hypergamy where all of a sudden people aren't marrying people at the same...
	I never said don't get girls that aren't educated.
	It's not an increase of hypergamy.
	I never said that.
	Go ahead, sorry.
	What I said is that it's okay for a woman to be educated.
	It's just that men don't necessarily care for as much as women tend to think, and we don't necessarily care about their career as much.
	Now, what I realized...
	Now, should you?
	Should you?
	Should you care?
	It shouldn't be the main factor.
	It shouldn't be like a deal-breaker if a woman's educated or not.
	Well, I have a question then, because IQ is highly heritable, right?
	And children that are born...
	Maternal education is one of the greatest factors in childhood development.
	But not in IQ. It doesn't develop IQ. Right?
	I agree, but for instance, it depends what level of education.
	I scored in the top 2% on the LSAT. I've never taken an IQ test, but IQ is highly careable.
	And even if we're just looking at maternal education, children born to parents that are mothers that are educated score way higher proficiency in math, science, etc.
	Because they have higher IQ. It's not the other way around.
	It's not like my Harvard degree didn't make my children smarter.
	It's like my...
	I had a higher IQ. Shouldn't you be selecting for that if you want your children?
	Sure, sure, sure.
	That's not what you asked though.
	You said should you be.
	And the thing is, our ability to be attracted to a certain thing is not our choice because attraction isn't a choice.
	Because our attraction mechanisms are based in 178 million years of mammalian evolution, 3 million years of hominid evolution, and 200,000 years of homo sapien evolution.
	I get it, but my point is that if you're doing a show where you're giving advice to men, I think good advice would be find a woman who's smart and is college educated because it's going to be better for your kids.
	If you're just going to say you like what you like, then what the fuck is the point of the show?
	The point of the show is we're giving men advice on who makes a good partner, what to look for, self-improvement, etc.
	That's not an argument.
	That's not a good argument.
	Here's the thing.
	I'm not talking about me.
	You're dismissing, and I've noticed this, you're dismissing an enormous amount of what we talk on this podcast and you're generalizing things that aren't necessarily even true.
	So, that's fine.
	You're going off of stereotypes, but you're missing an enormous amount of what we teach on the pod for guys to be successful.
	Guys, don't fucking attack her personally, man.
	Come on, man.
	Shut up.
	Yeah, what I wanted to say before is that there are studies that do showcase that men do care a certain level about education because of that exact reason.
	Because you can talk about mammalian evolution, and yeah, a lot of it is not just being able to produce, but making sure that your kids can thrive and survive.
	Because, you know, if your kid basically reproduces and dies in two seconds.
	For sure, for sure.
	But the thing is, the heritability of education, I'm sorry, of IQ, is not something we even knew 50 years ago.
	So that doesn't fit in evolution.
	But my point is, I also don't need to be excessively intelligent to replicate.
	So from a Jeanette, now, should I care?
	Yes.
	Yes, I'm not saying I shouldn't.
	What I'm saying is, that doesn't make my wiener harder.
	That's all I'm saying.
	I agree with you, but you shouldn't dress up by what makes your wiener harder.
	For sure.
	Alright, what did you have to say?
	Sorry, okay.
	I was gonna say that just because, like, you don't necessarily, like, know it consciously doesn't mean that there aren't, like, subconscious factors that influence it, right?
	So, for example, like, let's say virality, like, a person being able to be, like, sexually active to begin with.
	It might not be, like, a factor that, like, we are able to see at first hand, but then, like, Throughout interactions or whatever, you're able to gain more of a consciousness for it.
	And I guess what I'm trying to say overall is that yes, education matters.
	I think being able to talk to someone is the way that intelligence shows.
	That does affect attraction.
	And then on top of that, I think the way that human society has been evolving, it's been evolving to not just have many children, but to have maybe fewer children, but children that thrive, children that are doing better, children that are not, like, dying in the fields, children that are actually, like, able to gain, like, higher and higher statuses.
	So I think that's why you've, like, seen a shift in, like, lower fertility that isn't necessarily bad.
	Okay, I'm done.
	I have something to say.
	All right, what did you have to say?
	I mean, I forgot what I was going to say because I've been, like, half an hour.
	But I just want to say that...
	Really?
	Men and women both have, you know, standards.
	And, you know, if you don't apply to some standards, you know, then you'll have someone that will, like, apply to your standards.
	If you're a female, yeah.
	It goes both ways, though.
	No, it's not.
	Women are way more selective than men are.
	Yeah, but men are selective, too.
	Not nearly as selective as women.
	Like, not even close.
	Do you know every single woman in the world?
	Women are way more selective.
	That's just so obvious.
	If you take the most, let's say, the most selective guy, he's still not going to be as selective as the most promiscuous woman.
	Can you do that now?
	What do you mean?
	Can you select the most selective guy and compare that now as a fact?
	Okay, how many guys do you reject that talk to you?
	If 100 guys talk to you, how many do you actually sleep with?
	Maybe one?
	Two?
	You're somehow trying to pretend that you're not selective in order to make your point, but you are selective.
	You probably reject 99% of the men who talk to you.
	It's part of our biology.
	And men don't reject 99% of the women they talk to.
	That's what he's saying.
	Inherently, you know this to be true.
	And again, that's the reason why.
	It's a parental investment hypothesis in evolutionary psychology.
	You have the larger sex cell, therefore you're supposed to be pickier.
	But that's not something to be proud of.
	We haven't married children for nine months, and you're saying being selective is not something to be proud of.
	Real quick, I'm just curious.
	One last thing.
	If you're going to fuck every single girl you see on the street, that's not something you should be proud of.
	It doesn't matter what you're being proud of, men are just less selective than women.
	Women shouldn't be proud that they're selective, or you're saying that men shouldn't be proud?
	I said men shouldn't be proud if they're going to sleep with every single woman on the street.
	Are you a man?
	Yeah, that sums it up.
	How long have you been a woman?
	How do you know what women want?
	I have one thing to say.
	Women smash who they want to.
	Men smash who they can.
	And that's something that's always kind of been like...
	And here's the other thing too.
	We just displayed this earlier with you talking about it and then you as well.
	A man's sexual past has almost zero influence on his attractive level.
	As a matter of fact, I would argue the more women he's had sex with, the more attractive he Yes, I wanted to say more so touching on the education of women.
	From what I remember, respectfully speaking, in history, just as an example, like in textbooks, you read that the husband is out working and doing what he has to do while the woman stays home and is watching the kids or doing whatever.
	I feel as though having an education is probably a plus, but it's not a deal breaker.
	So that's where, in my opinion, like women don't have to have a career or education.
	Like if you find someone and you're lucky enough to be taken care of, then you don't have to do what the men are Right.
	The surveys that show with working women, 83% of them say that they would whether have spent more time in the home raising a child than working.
	Right.
	Oh, I have a question real quick for you.
	I don't want to disrupt the whole thing here.
	But sexy son's hypothesis and mate choice copying.
	Do you believe in that?
	Can you explain that?
	Sexy son's hypothesis is the concept where women see men with attractive traits and want their children to have those attractive traits.
	So they choose those men with attractive traits.
	Broad shoulders, hip to shoulder to waist ratio, signs of masculinity.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	So yeah, I think women are attracted to those.
	But I think the number one predictor of who you're going to end up with tend to be who you're around.
	For sure, for sure.
	Yeah, so yeah.
	Then also, mate choice copying.
	As women see men that other women choose, they find those men more attractive.
	I don't know about that one.
	You should just look that up.
	The idea is, they show this amongst several vertebrates, where if you take, especially amongst homo sapiens, other primates too, even rats, when you put women around the male, other women find that male to be attracted.
	They did this with chimpanzees.
	And chimpanzees are the closest to human beings.
	They had one male chimpanzee go try to talk to some female, well try to mate.
	They didn't want him, but when he had a female chimpanzee with him, the other female chimpanzees It came around.
	I understand that.
	So I agree that that could definitely be the case.
	But chimps aren't doing sperm competition.
	We're not.
	So I wouldn't say it's a one to one thing.
	But I agree.
	Yeah, people like like usually other people liking something.
	The thing is, it's one way.
	So I'm not more attracted to a woman because more men want her.
	But I will tell you that more women are attracted to me because women want me.
	I would have to look into that now.
	I don't think that's completely absurd.
	I don't think that's completely absurd.
	Why would I just take that off?
	It's fine.
	The term is called mate choice copying.
	Anyway, the point is, if mate choice copying exists, then that must mean, inherently, there is a group of men that get more women than other men.
	Does that make sense?
	No, no, no.
	We can answer this simply.
	You want to know why that's just ludicrous?
	I've got to look into the data.
	Let's look at common sense.
	If a guy sees a girl and she's hot and her Instagram is private and she has 100 followers but she's hot, that has absolutely zero influence on his attraction to her.
	As a matter of fact, it'll probably go up because she's not around as many men.
	Men don't care about social proof and other guys liking her.
	If a girl's attractive, he's gonna talk to her.
	It doesn't matter if she's a weirdo, if she's a social outcast, her status doesn't matter.
	But on the other hand, if a woman Right?
	Meets a guy.
	She absolutely cares about his status.
	And what I would argue is she wants a guy at least at her status.
	She has 100,000 followers and a guy has 100 followers?
	That will make her look at him negatively.
	He's going to have to do some work to build attraction with her.
	Depend on the woman.
	Like, for me, it wouldn't work that way.
	Wait, no, it doesn't depend on the woman.
	This doesn't depend on...
	I would just say that straight up, that might be your anecdotal experience.
	But, like, we know, like, how consumer behavior works with, like, everything.
	The more something looks attractive, men or women, the more...
	Right.
	I can say from my OnlyFans, the more popular I get, the more other men want to subscribe to my OnlyFans because other men are subscribing to my OnlyFans.
	I don't know if that's true.
	I think they're probably subscribing to their OnlyFans because they're attracted to you, not because other men are attracted to you.
	As you get more popular, you grow like...
	It's because people say, oh, she's a top OnlyFans subscriber.
	That's also two things.
	It has to do with the algorithm, number one, and it also has to do with collabs that you do with other girls who already have followers.
	I don't do collabs.
	The point I'm trying to make is...
	A woman's attraction, right, her attractiveness is not contingent upon her social status.
	It has a very minor role as to her sexual market value.
	However, on the male side, his social status plays a significant role to sexual market value.
	It depends, right?
	Because like a male lawyer, for instance, he is going to be more attracted and he's going to be more likely to end up and we can use doctors.
	You guys don't like when I use lawyers.
	So doctors are more likely they marry, tend to marry other female doctors.
	A high IQ male doctor is not married.
	We're not seeing them marry.
	Let's take that argument.
	Let's say his wife loses her job.
	Is he leaving?
	If his wife chooses to leave that profession or she loses her job, is he leaving?
	Probably not.
	Okay, now let's reverse it.
	Let's say the man loses his job and loses that status.
	Is she leaving?
	Maybe.
	She's gone.
	She's fucking gone.
	And a lot of times in these, so a lot of lawyers, for instance, do this.
	That proves my point, Jasmine, that social status absolutely matters.
	No, this is typically what happens in, like, my field, is two people, both of them are lawyers, they get married, and then the woman lawyer stays home with the kids.
	They typically get married.
	You know what I'm talking about.
	The woman typically stays home.
	But if you want to marry a lawyer, for instance, the best thing you could do as a woman is not be hot on Instagram and work as CVS or be a virgin.
	It is to be at similar social status to the guy.
	I'm just She has the luxury of being able to leave that job, lose that status, and still be in a relationship.
	Someone needs to raise the kids.
	That doesn't change my argument that men don't give a shit about status.
	The whole premise of a lot of this evolutionary psychology stuff is based on childbirth.
	The point is she already gained that status.
	Can I please say something?
	Yeah, exactly.
	You should speak.
	Just speak.
	Just talk.
	Just go into the mic and talk.
	Hold on, hold on.
	But then if she loses it, it does not affect her sexual market value.
	But if the dude loses his status, it does change her sexual market value.
	That's my point.
	I understand your point, but the argument is that they already gained a level of status that puts them above everyone else.
	But then they lost And they still keep the guy.
	But if the guy loses his status, the girl leaves.
	She doesn't lose her status by choosing to stay home if she's already a lawyer.
	She already went through all that.
	She loses her job.
	But wouldn't a guy if it was the other way around?
	Women are getting fired.
	They're choosing.
	She's not going to leave him immediately because he lost a job.
	If she leaves him, it's because he hasn't been deployed for a long time.
	I think it's one example.
	The whole thing we're talking about is just attraction.
	In the case of attraction, when women see other women being attracted to a man, they're more attracted to the man.
	Now, you're using the thing of products and consumerism, but it doesn't work.
	The concept of mate choice copying, just look it up right now.
	It's on Wikipedia, whatever you want to look it up.
	When you look at made choice copying, it only goes in one direction.
	It does not go in the other direction.
	Now that is a scientific example of status mattering more for men than it does for women.
	I fucked your bitch in some Gucci flip flops.
	This is men dunking on other men.
	This is men dunking on other men in order to say, I have taken your status.
	When women get cheated on, it doesn't matter.
	If I heard a woman got cheated on, I'm not going to be like, man, I am less likely to have sex with this incredibly beautiful woman because she got cheated on.
	It means nothing.
	When men get cheated on, if they're repeatedly cheated on, like dudes are like behind their back, like what the fuck happened to this?
	Women, if a guy's been cheated on three times in a row, it's like, does he have a micropenis?
	Like they start going into these, like, that's the thing.
	When men get cheated on, When women get cheated on, they lose massive amounts of status.
	When women get cheated on, they do not.
	And the same thing, what I said before with attraction, mate choice copying only works in one direction.
	And so if it works in one direction, what that means is there's this attraction queue that a few group of men, a small group of men have where they're surrounded by women or they have more women.
	And because of that, again, ladies, you're offered infinite dick and you're still trying to steal each other's man.
	It's just a perfect example.
	Mate choice copying is a real thing.
	And because of that, there's only one way that can exist.
	And that is if a few men have sex with a lot of women and a large group of men have sex with very few.
	I'm very, very, very, very skeptical of the claim that when it comes to consumer behavior, and you know, the way that we basically act in day-to-day life, it applies to everything but mate selection.
	No, no, no.
	What I'm saying is, there is a consumer behavior thing where it's, I forgot what it's called, but I know what you're talking about.
	Mate choice copying, though, only goes in one direction.
	Yeah, that's why I would be skeptical.
	I think it's Robert Trivers who came up with it back in the 1970s.
	What's 80% of the consumer base?
	Females.
	What do women typically do and buy?
	They follow other women.
	Women are far more to be amenable to fashion trends.
	They're far more likely to be followers.
	They consume most of everything.
	They contribute to the economy.
	Women are the ones that follow everything because women need social proof.
	No, but I mean, like, when we just look at, like, one-on-one, like, studies or, like, data just, like, looking at, like, individual behavior, like, consumption-based, yeah, people in general, like, this is a whole basis of, like, supply and demand or, like, of, like, price shifting.
	It's like, okay, the more valuable something is seen, the higher price it has.
	So I think the same would apply for women.
	The more men want this woman that they can't obtain, let's say, the more valuable the woman seems.
	But you're missing the point that it's not required.
	Oh, no, I... Do you understand?
	And this is where you guys, like, I don't know why, like, again, arguing in bad faith.
	What I'm trying to say is that, cool, a girl's desired by a bunch of guys, but is that required for her to be attractive?
	Absolutely not.
	But for a man, let's say he has, like, not attractive, he's fat, whatever, but he has a lot of social status, he can absolutely pull women.
	So what I'm saying is that social status...
	Matters.
	And here's the other thing, too.
	It's crazy to me that we're even having this argument.
	This is shown in primates.
	This is shown in fucking lions.
	This is shown in birds, etc.
	In almost a bunch of different animal species.
	Men that have other women end up having more women.
	That's how it is.
	You go into a nightclub.
	We're all the women concentrated in the fucking section with two guys, 20, 30 girls.
	You guys cannot argue.
	It's irrefutable that women absolutely select for social proof and social status.
	Yeah, I don't disagree that people, like, what is it, look at status.
	I think both men and women look at status.
	I was confused because earlier it was stated that, like, oh no, it has absolutely no impact on men's attraction.
	And that's where I disagree.
	Very little impact.
	Yeah, extremely little impact.
	Just take all of our words for it, and if any guy here disagrees with me, we don't find women more attractive because more men find them attractive.
	We find them attractive because of facial symmetry, signs of youth, and it's a waste ratio.
	And here's the other thing.
	Jasmine's making an argument like, oh, well, you know, they acquired the status of lawyer and then they get the guy because of the status of lawyer.
	Okay, cool.
	That's a great tiebreaker.
	But then here's my thing.
	If she loses that status, is the guy leaving?
	The answer is no.
	But on the other way, if the guy loses his status, is she leaving?
	Probably yes.
	I don't think so.
	I don't think, like, if a lawyer couple, I have a lot of lawyer couple friends, and if a guy lost his job, I don't think, like, my female friend would be like, okay, bye!
	My own example, they have the luxury to do what?
	Leave the lawyer position, lose that status, okay, because even though they're a lawyer, blah, blah, blah, no one's gonna respect them as a lawyer, let's keep it a thousand.
	They have the luxury to leave and go home and be a homemaker, and they don't have to maintain that status.
	The man does.
	That proves my point.
	No, the argument is that they already gained the status by the education.
	They already signaled to their partner that they are of this level of IQ, this level of competency, by just being able to get into it.
	And then if a man was to do the same thing and say, you know what, I want to be a homemaker, I think it doesn't work that way around.
	It would be disproved.
	That completely disproves it.
	I think what you're saying was true that most lawyers would marry most lawyers.
	And while lawyers marry other lawyers more than any other possession, over 50% of lawyers are not married to lawyers.
	That's not the case.
	But they're married to people of similar socioeconomic class.
	When we keep going to that, most people live in a group of people that are in the same socioeconomic level as them.
	And the middle class is called the middle class because it's in the one middle standard deviation, which is 68.27% of people.
	So when you say most people marry people, it's like if he and I are friends and we happen to be within a couple inches of each other, it's because most human beings are within a couple inches of each other.
	I just don't think that necessarily makes this...
	Very few people are extremely rich.
	And so the idea that a poor person doesn't marry a rich person is not because there isn't hypergamy.
	It's because there's just very few rich people.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	Rich people tend to marry people of...
	They're not marrying super...
	That's what I mean.
	This idea that super high status...
	I don't know if doctors...
	But there's just not very many people that are high status.
	That's the reason why you're not seeing that huge huge guy.
	And not only that, marrying and dating and having an opportunity are two different things.
	Yeah, of course.
	Women are going to have more opportunity than men always.
	But what I'm saying is that if the woman was the one in that money position, that status position, she's not dating a regular guy.
	And so in professors, you're seeing this a lot now where a lot of men are staying home and they're staying home and the woman continues to be a professor.
	But they're also progressively, exceptionally progressively liberal.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	But those women aren't leaving them even though they're liberal.
	Yeah, because the women are saying, let's have a polyamorous relationship where I can fuck up.
	They're doing weird shit.
	See, because the thing is this.
	These super liberal women that are with these super liberal guys, those guys are fucking pussies and not able to arouse them.
	So what ends up happening is they do weird things on the side, whether it's an open relationship and they're fucking other guys, they're doing pornography, whatever it may be.
	Something is dysfunctional in the relationship.
	No offense to you, Jazzy.
	But that's the reality when you deal with liberal men.
	Because they're not able to arouse and really lock you in and attract you from all different facets.
	What?
	Because they treat you as an equal, and women cannot be aroused by an equal.
	Sure, but then they have the lowest divorce rates, too.
	They're outsourcing that arousal to somebody else.
	They're outsourcing that stimulus to somebody else.
	I'm very hesitant.
	I would want to see, and maybe we can search this up for that next time, like studies specifically, because to my understanding, the vast majority of people in the United States are monogamous.
	They're not interested in open relationships.
	No, no, no.
	Two different things.
	They are monogamous, but that does not mean they're not interested in having multiple sexual partners.
	But they're not.
	Two different things.
	They're not following through with that.
	They're saying that their relationship is more important.
	I agree with you that they're not following through with that because they're going to have to get a divorce.
	But the idea that most men would not prefer multiple sexual partners is not true.
	That is just not true.
	And most men can't execute that.
	Yes, correct.
	And by the way, most men would never even dream of admitting that they would do that in front of their wife who would fucking leave them.
	But apparently professors are able to have sex with a bunch of people that are...
	No, no.
	Listen, I personally love Joffrey Wilson.
	Rollo does not like him, but he's an evolutionary psychologist who started promoting fucking polyamory, and it's just ridiculous.
	There is nothing evolutionarily noble about me watching my wife get fucked by some other dude.
	I'm sorry.
	That does not make sense from an evolutionary standpoint.
	The only time a man typically will agree to allow a woman to fuck other guys is when his value is low and he has no leverage.
	Or maybe they're liberal.
	That's what you just said.
	Yeah, because their value is low and they have no leverage.
	It's the same thing!
	It's the same thing!
	Professors and these highly educated liberals, they're all low value?
	Okay.
	That was sterilization.
	I was being named.
	Most of them.
	The typical man.
	The typical woman is going to be like, I love the fact that my man lets me fuck other dudes and doesn't give a shit about it.
	I just think that that might be problematic for most women.
	But I think in this case, what's happened is she's lost respect for...
	We're speculating here.
	We're getting super anecdotal.
	But the thing is, whenever I hear of a polyamorous relationship where it's open on both sides, she has lost respect for his penis.
	That's what's happened.
	That's essentially what's happened.
	And because of that, she's like, I can have sex with other men.
	And it's never equitable.
	Because if you and I were married and we decided to be open, you have 100,000 times more options than I do.
	It cannot be equitable in a polyamorous relationship.
	Could it not be an alignment of values?
	Like we just said, academia leans left highly educated people.
	It could be an alignment of values.
	Instead of all those women just hate their guys.
	It could be an element of value, but in the end, the likelihood of us staying together when you are fucking other dudes.
	When Dr.
	David Buss even talks about this, when women cheat in a relationship, 83% of the time they're less satisfied in the relationship.
	When men cheat in a relationship, it's zero.
	It's the same.
	And how come the average number of years polyamorous couples are together and monogamous are the same?
	We're gonna move on.
	By the way, we have a huge super chat.
	Oh, shout out to you.
	Blackfeet argument lawyer voice is so annoying.
	Wait till people finish speaking to respond.
	So this whole podcast, you know what it relates to?
	$500 for that shit.
	No, no, no.
	You know what it relates to?
	Jasmine and Pixie, right?
	They'd argue, but without the man's perspective.
	So the whole point of the argument is that they don't understand our side of the equation.
	So I wanted to touch base on basically like when you guys were saying that the man is not more attracted to a woman when more men want her.
	I have an anecdotal experience for that.
	Me and my man have been in a relationship for five years.
	I have had, and I'm not saying this to to my own horn, but I have had people in my DMs.
	I've had people approach me in person.
	Not while he's there, but I show him or tell him about it.
	And it's almost like, not that he doesn't care, but he's not super worried about it because of the simple fact that it doesn't bother him that other people are attracted to me or want me or whatever the case is.
	You're discussing the concept of jealousy.
	I'm agreeing with you guys, and I'm saying that with that being said, What more so is important to him is, like, personality, how you act, how you are as a woman, not how you, like, look or social status.
	I don't mean to, like, spoil the magic here.
	It's not my intention.
	Perhaps cover your ears.
	Okay.
	Take your headphones off.
	Like, for real?
	For real.
	Okay.
	Take them off.
	No, come on.
	Just say it, man.
	Just say it, man.
	No, no, because I don't want...
	This sounds like a good...
	No, because...
	She can't hear it anyway.
	Exactly.
	Whatever.
	Damn!
	I don't think he understands how sound works.
	Damn it, Michael!
	From because of what you said before, like, you sound like you have a good relationship with someone.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	And...
	Like, he is telling you something you want to hear?
	Mm.
	Well, I thought I was agreeing with you guys saying, like, if multiple men are attracted to your woman, that doesn't make you insecure.
	You guys got together at 18.
	He found you physically attractive at 18.
	Is that correct?
	Correct.
	That's why he's with you.
	That's what we're saying.
	I'm not saying the rest of it isn't awesome.
	I would love to see a woman I'm incredibly physically attracted to and then figure out she's super maternal and highly intelligent and we can have kids together.
	But I'm not gonna fuck her if she's not physically attractive.
	But I'm not even done.
	So, me, right?
	There's a lot of things that I have to work on and I can admit that.
	Like...
	Men don't want a combative, argumentative, you know, women that is, just like I said, argumentative, combative, whatever.
	So I'm not gonna lie, like, I can be, like, or I was that way at some point, like, just, you know, where I grew up, my family learned behavior, I can just say that.
	So he has definitely been...
	He's definitely been, like, an influence in my life to where I have seen, like, okay, I need to act better, especially the podcast.
	He's introduced me to this podcast, and I've watched the podcast, and I'm like, you know what?
	They actually, I agree with certain things that they say because if you don't act a certain way, like, you won't have a husband.
	You won't have kids.
	You won't, like, you will be single.
	So then he wants to change you then.
	So, exactly.
	I'm saying all that to say that it's not about whether a man is also attracted to you.
	It's about how you act.
	You're going to keep your man that way.
	And I'm saying as an experience for me, I'm going through it right now because there's a lot of things that I need to improve on that I'm not all the way there.
	In the beginning, most of it is physical attraction.
	Go ahead.
	Are you going to tell the truth though?
	Your Instagram is horrible as fuck.
	My Instagram?
	Yes, if you have a man in five years, your IG says you're single.
	Really?
	Yes, it does.
	Pull it up.
	Pull it up, man.
	Pull it up, man.
	It's sweet in the morning.
	Pull it up, man.
	What?
	It's 2.30 in the morning.
	I think the most important thing is, more than likely is, he would like you the same whether men hit on you or didn't.
	It doesn't influence his attraction for you like that.
	Might make him appreciate you more or whatever, but men don't have the same need to constantly have their social proof of their woman tested.
	If she's hot, she's hot.
	Right, that's what I'm saying.
	It doesn't make him a nevermind whether somebody is attracted to you or not.
	And again, this is anecdotal, but again, you're never going to be able to get this from asking people because this study would never get passed.
	But every famous guy that I know, all my guys that have influence, all my guys that are successful, etc., they all want their girl to be low-key.
	They like it when they bring their girl to a party and no one knows who the fuck she is.
	100%.
	Ready?
	Ready?
	Bills?
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Nigga.
	Like, score out.
	Is it giving single?
	Is it giving single though?
	I'm seeing five, six, seven, eight red flags already.
	I would have thought you were in a relationship for five years.
	Where's your man?
	He has nowhere to be found, nigga.
	That nigga's a ghost!
	He's not a ghost.
	Yo, he's not there!
	That nigga is a ghost?
	Wait, no, y'all got me.
	I'm not a guy.
	That nigga is a ghost with a camera on her face.
	I'm not on his page.
	There is not a man in sight.
	It just tells me you're single.
	No, I'm not single.
	So wait, you see my highlight?
	You see my highlight with a black body?
	That's all the flowers he buys me.
	Oh, it's a highlight.
	That's a dead guy.
	Yo!
	When niggas go to your page, all they see is this.
	They don't see highlights, by the way.
	So you're single.
	This is my girlfriend's page.
	You see, it's a picture of me and my girlfriend.
	You see that?
	So people know that she's not in a relation.
	See that?
	That's a picture of me and my girlfriend.
	That's not every picture, but it's very clear this is who she's with.
	Well, now it explains why you get so many DMs.
	That's my girlfriend's IG. That's my girlfriend's Instagram.
	That's not my Instagram.
	That's my girlfriend's Instagram.
	Two things.
	I actually think that it is more likely to repulse a guy if you continue to tell him how much interest you're getting because why are you even...
	Why do you care?
	Why are you sharing that with your man?
	What does he gain from that information?
	And the second thing, I do think that you guys are arguing in bad faith because when it comes to the...
	Most lawyers date other lawyers.
	It's like, duh, they're in the same social circles.
	How many people are you around that aren't lawyers?
	Like, I know a lot of engineers because I do engineering.
	I agree with you.
	That's why proximity is also a big thing.
	But I'm saying with the onset of dating apps and all this opportunity, we're still seeing that lawyers typically...
	Yeah, but even with that point, I also think that that brings back the point of women can be a little delusional about their sexual marketplace value because even though we have more options, that doesn't mean that those options are real ones.
	And so your real options are determined by people that are in your status level generally, in your IQ. Now, men are more likely to go down on some of those, but in general, your options are still, at least for long-term mate prospects, marriage, still reflect where you are.
	That's a W whoopee.
	What the fuck?
	But my point is that you saying that most lawyers marry other lawyers isn't representative of the fact that men want to date women of the same status.
	It's just who they are around.
	It's the same thing as saying with most black women.
	Are the red winners?
	But it's like, duh, more of us are single.
	So yeah, we're the red winners.
	That's not a relevant fact.
	It is a relevant fact.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Please let her finish her point.
	So go ahead.
	Say that part again.
	It's almost like, it's the same thing as saying, like, most black women are the breadwinners in their relationship.
	It's like, if we're single, duh, you're automatically the breadwinner.
	So it's like, you're extrapolating a fact that you're not in a relationship.
	No, breadwinners are in a household, not a relationship.
	Breadwinners are in a household.
	Put hands on your cameras.
	Oh, that was so cute.
	Very cute.
	And then, go ahead Jasmine, what's your response to that?
	My response to that is exactly, you tend to be around.
	I would say this, if you have a specific type of woman or type of man you want to marry, surround your social circle and surround, like if you want one of these virgin good women, go to church, go to mosque, go be around these people because that is how you're going to find...
	I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
	But then you can make the argument that it's not status why they got with the woman, it was proximity.
	I agree.
	Proximity is a big thing, but generally people tend to want people that are somewhat of their ego.
	But they're more likely to marry the lawyer than the paralegal who's around them all the time too.
	Okay, again, like the real reality is that it's proximity, not necessarily status.
	Because like I said before, based on what I said, if that woman decided to leave and lose her lawyer status, because when she leaves, she's going to lose that lawyer status.
	The man ain't going nowhere.
	But if it was the other way around, the woman is going to leave.
	So status matters a lot more for me.
	But what I'm trying to say is, for instance, a personal office, he's more likely to marry that receptionist than a random person that's not around him, but he's going to be still more likely to marry that lawyer than the receptionist.
	It's still proximity, though.
	Oh, you mean, well, I mean, they probably work together.
	That's my point.
	My point is proximity matters, but even if there's proximity, men will still lawyers instead of they're more likely to be with the other lawyer than the other receptionist.
	Okay, you know what?
	Hold on.
	What are the stats for that, Jasmine?
	That they're more likely to hire, to marry the co-lawyer versus the paralegal.
	You took my phone, but if you literally look up what profession lawyers marry most, it is other lawyers he even agrees with.
	Yeah, but it's not 50% lawyers, is what I'm saying.
	Yeah, I agree with that, but also it tends to be, they also tend to marry people.
	They're not marrying virgin CBS workers.
	That's also not...
	No, I get that, but what I'm saying is that you're making the argument that status matters for men, and I'm saying it doesn't.
	And the argument that you're making is literally based off of more proximity versus their status.
	No, that's what I'm trying to say.
	Proximity matters.
	In fact, I brought that up the first time I was on here.
	I brought up the proximity.
	But what I'm saying is proximity still, because the receptionist is just as close to them.
	They see them just as much as the lawyer colleague that's across from them.
	But they're still more likely to marry that lawyer than that receptionist, even though they have the same level of proximity.
	They see each other every day.
	They're working in the same firm.
	I still think that's more proximity because they're probably around more lawyers than receptionists.
	Well, I mean, our paralegals work hand in hand with us more so than others.
	Who are you going to law school with?
	You ain't going to law school with paralegals.
	You're going to law school with other potential lawyers.
	And I agree.
	But what I mean is also when people meet in the workforce, proximity matters, but they still tend to marry across.
	Now, male lawyers are more likely to marry their receptionist than female lawyers are more likely.
	Of course.
	I agree with that.
	But you're still seeing this general people that like to go across.
	But that proves my point that status is not as important for men.
	Boom.
	You're trying to make the argument that status matters for men and I'm trying to tell you, it really doesn't matter that much.
	The proximity thing is, the reason why the proximity thing is happening is because of the proximity, meaning they're marrying a cross because that's who they're near.
	I agree.
	And then you see, what's it called, Grey's Anatomy.
	They're all fucking in the break room.
	All the doctors are fucking in the other doctors.
	That's because they're around doctors.
	And the thing is, you're never going to break that.
	You're always going to see people in the same socioeconomic class dating each other.
	But it's not because that's the only person they want.
	It's just because that's who they're around all the time.
	I agree.
	That's why when I first came on, I said one of the biggest predictors is proximity.
	But even in proximity, when there's a hierarchy, you still see that men, even though they're more likely to go down in a firm hierarchy, they still prefer the women.
	Like, even if you look at IQ, I mean, Tai Lopez said this last time, men don't...
	High IQ men can go like one standard deviation.
	They don't start going super lower IQ. One standard deviation is pretty high.
	That's an 85 IQ. Let's put it this way.
	If you have a woman, you have the woman's same attractiveness, whatever...
	One is a CVS worker and the other one's a lawyer.
	Which one do you think is the guy more likely?
	If they're the same attractiveness, of course, but you're talking...
	What you're saying is a 1% tiebreaker.
	If the CVS worker looks like my girlfriend and the lawyer doesn't, then I'm just telling you they're going to choose the other girl.
	The point that I'm trying to get across is that if you just look at one by one, then yeah, we can clearly see that, hey, if it comes to a profession, same socioeconomic status level, that is something that matters.
	We can't pretend it doesn't matter whatsoever.
	So that's what I'm trying to...
	God fucking dammit.
	But it doesn't matter that much.
	Like, yo, can you guys...
	You guys are trying to put equal footing with status and looks.
	Are we lacking common sense here that men really don't give a shit about status as much as women?
	If we were going to weigh the two, would looks outweigh status for women?
	Would looks outweigh status for women?
	If we're going to weigh the two, do you think a man cares more about her physical attractiveness than her status?
	What do you think they care about more?
	I think a woman, in general, is looking for long-term...
	A man, a man, a man, a man.
	Is he gonna look...
	Does he care more about her looks or her status?
	What do you think he cares about more?
	Um, I think...
	Well, okay, I think it depends.
	If he's looking for, like...
	Looks.
	Yeah, if he's looking to just fuck, then looks.
	Even, no.
	Long-term or short-term, he's looking for...
	Looks are gonna matter or gonna matter more.
	Okay?
	Intelligence is gonna be a tiebreaker.
	I hope you really don't think that intelligence is like, man, she's ugly, but that intelligence...
	I have a question.
	No, no, no.
	What I'm trying to say here is that usually if a guy is looking to have like a long-term prospect and partner, maybe they have like a mid to average girl, but she's like really smart and she's really nurturing and she has a good temperament.
	Well, yeah, it does matter because if you're going to have a wife, why would you want like a fucking...
	He asked a very simple question and you can't answer it.
	He asked you a very, very simple question and you can't answer it.
	I think what we're going to debate is I'm saying that all those other things besides looks are maybe 10-15% of it and you're saying they're 33%.
	But they're not 50-50.
	We cannot possibly agree.
	We cannot possibly say it's 50-50.
	And again, there's no evolutionary psychology study that doesn't say that men obviously care more about physical attractiveness than women do.
	Even gay men do.
	It's a thing inherent in men.
	Men look at signs of replication and signs of youth and that's what I want.
	Looks is number fucking one.
	This is incredible that you guys are literally trying to argue with us that looks are comparable to status.
	I have a very simple question.
	Incredible.
	She has something.
	You couldn't even answer a simple question.
	Just one thing I wanted to say.
	Socially speaking, if status was so important, why are trophy wives so popular?
	Why are men bringing around these really hot women that have absolutely fucking nothing to add to any sort of conversation?
	So are you finding that lawyers and doctors have the hottest wives?
	I'm not saying that at all, but why is it a social phenomenon that trophy husbands aren't...
	I would have answered that question a lot quicker.
	I would agree that looks matter more, but usually there's a threshold.
	What's on the rise?
	Can I interrupt?
	Is that the real time?
	It's been on the rise.
	Because we have a curfew at 3 and I didn't even realize what time it was.
	It's curfew time.
	Oh shit.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	We're going to get home late too.
	Have curfew?
	Are you playing sports at FIU? No, um...
	Should we close this thing out, Chris?
	What do you think?
	Yeah, sure.
	Just close it out?
	Yep.
	Alright, we'll just...
	It's her parents, because we're both going there.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, you can tell them you're not out here doing crazy shit.
	My girlfriend's like, why didn't you call me?
	I was like, I was on a fucking podcast for six hours.
	We don't have a curfew.
	She's just over it.
	Oh, okay.
	Are you lying?
	What a snitch!
	W, call up!
	Okay, I'm not gonna lie.
	I didn't want to seem rude, but yeah, we're just like...
	Well, to be fair, you guys haven't really had a chance to talk, even though you've won't have a chance to talk.
	I've seen that.
	Well, go ahead.
	What do you have to say?
	Please engage in the conversation, man.
	I mean, these girls have been interrupting all over the place.
	I was saying that I'm tired.
	I wasn't saying that, like, oh, this is boring or anything.
	You are, in a way, but...
	Every time we've given you a chance to talk, like, you don't really say much.
	It's just like...
	Good night.
	You talk too much.
	Because the tangents go for like 30 minutes.
	I have been spiraling around a little bit because I agree with you guys, but it's just like with all the stats and stuff, I'm not very familiar with that stuff.
	I would like to ask this question in a different way.
	All right.
	Every woman in this room, close your eyes, please.
	Forgive me.
	Indulge me.
	Every woman.
	All of you.
	I'm looking at you all right now.
	Get your hands off my butt, Sterling.
	Get him back to life, Sterling.
	Stop looking at me.
	Close your eyes.
	You, yes.
	Let's play the game.
	Raise your hands if you think she should talk less.
	Who is she?
	Jasmine?
	That's the question.
	Shut up.
	The question is to all the women here.
	Raise your hands if you think she should talk less.
	But we don't know who she is.
	Doesn't matter.
	Doesn't matter.
	You know who I'm talking about.
	You know who I'm talking about.
	If you're a woman in this room, raise your hands if you think she should talk less.
	And why?
	I think she has slowed down a lot.
	Because in the beginning, I was getting a little overwhelmed.
	Okay, that's it.
	I mean, this is the thing.
	You're smart.
	Yeah, and that's the thing.
	I'm not trying to be rude, but I didn't know when I came here that it would be like us should share mic time.
	Chris, Chris, let her finish.
	You know what you're saying?
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	I'm not trying to be rude, but I was under the impression, because me and Pixie have been on before, we just know more about this, that it would be kind of a discussion between not...
	Yeah, that's what I was supposed to be.
	That was going to be the second half.
	No, but there's other girls here that need to talk.
	They're not mute.
	Yeah, so they can talk, but it's really hard for me to be the person that's like, okay, have you talked to them?
	Actually, to be fair, you're the reason that they didn't talk.
	I mean, well, that's the thing.
	I didn't come on this podcast to be like, did you have enough sex?
	That was not my intention.
	You guys asked me, that's why I came.
	We don't have a chance to jut in.
	We'll turn it to you guys.
	They're already defeated, bro.
	They're already defeated.
	Let's do the chats and they close out.
	I can keep going.
	What has defeated me?
	She took up the whole show, bro.
	I'm not going to show, man.
	I'm just tired.
	Can I come next year?
	Next time in Miami?
	I don't play up this late.
	Like, ever.
	Nigga, you party.
	You're four hours.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I usually go to bed at 10 to wake up at 6 for work.
	Nigga, you party.
	Don't lie.
	Man.
	You see how you call it?
	I've been to clubs before.
	I don't go out every weekend.
	Bro.
	Anyhow.
	She belongs to the street.
	You lied for that.
	I fucked up.
	That was effed up.
	No, well, you know what?
	If you really want to go, you can.
	It's fine.
	I want to contribute to the conversation and I'm falling asleep, so next time I'll bring a Red Bull.
	We have energy drinks here.
	Let me make this very clear.
	This is a very popular podcast, number one men's podcast in the world.
	This is an opportunity for you.
	If you don't want to seek the opportunity and you want to just get up and leave, totally cool.
	But just understand that you will not be invited back, and we're going to take your name off the thing, and that's how it goes.
	If women don't want to appreciate the opportunity, that's totally cool.
	That's fine.
	We'll stay.
	It's just that I thought it was going to be...
	No, no.
	And I just want to say, the first time I was on, you guys had a point.
	Jasmine, please be quiet.
	Okay.
	What are you saying?
	I think everyone's unhatched.
	I'm just saying, okay, we get it, but don't light us, bro.
	That's kind of weird.
	I just didn't want to make you guys feel like we were just leaving because we're tired.
	No, you are tired.
	But it's okay to be tired, though.
	You know what I mean?
	And then if she leaves with you, then she wasted her time because we'd take your names off.
	I mean, it is what it is.
	I mean, if you want to go, you can go, but it's just like...
	Bro, okay, that's fine.
	Where are we at here?
	Okay, where are we at here?
	For the love of God, Myron, this needs to stop.
	Let someone else talk.
	We, the chat, can't handle this for much longer.
	This really learns the part of the show.
	Pay AT&T to the cat.
	Lots of one.
	Oh, chat.
	Lots of ones.
	See, here's the thing, bro.
	You guys wanted castles, and then I got a bunch of complaints after.
	Why'd you kick her off, bro?
	It's like, yo, you can't win, bro.
	It's like, y'all want to debate?
	Okay, cool.
	We're not gonna do ad hominems, blah, blah, blah.
	And then we do that, oh, bro, get her out, blah, blah, blah.
	And it's like, yo, man.
	You're too mean.
	Good point.
	Yeah, are you guys soft, blah, blah, blah.
	It's like, well, here's the thing.
	Honestly, I didn't really give a shit that we disagreed on last time, and I was like, yo, she can stay, whatever.
	But y'all wanted her gone, so I was like, alright, the chat wants her gone.
	And then after, I got a bunch of complaints.
	Why'd you kick her off, bro?
	Oh my god!
	So it's like, you really can't win here.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, so it is what it is.
	Benedict Fender.
	Okay.
	Panchito.
	Panchito, aka Francisco.
	W Fresh tonight, MVP. Alright.
	Fresh to the MVP tonight.
	Ladies, be honest.
	Vaxxed or unvaxed man for the reproduction?
	Vaccinated?
	Duh.
	Vaxxed or unvaxed?
	Unvaxed.
	Which one is it?
	Unvaxed green.
	Give us a green.
	Can't do it.
	Oh, we can't talk about that?
	Yeah.
	There's actually a new thing on that, so I wouldn't get touched, actually.
	You can say COVID, but not the other stuff.
	Really?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because it's going to happen again.
	You know what I mean?
	Edgar, does anyone else notice how the two girls that don't want a man in a leadership role are the main ones debating?
	Yeah, facts.
	Tell these bimbos to shut up, buy a cat, and die alone.
	Bro, they're both single!
	Start wasting time.
	Miss Cumbucket at 18 Lawyer.
	Goddamn.
	Bro, fuck with...
	Okay, Christian Naldaro says...
	Shout out to Katz.
	Bro, if Fearful Lawyer and Pixie come back in the show, we need to mute their mics for 30 minutes at a time to allow others to speak.
	That's alright.
	Alright.
	Young Stella says, Not hard to understand.
	Even in the Bible, God gives instructions on how to handle your multiple women.
	Uh, do it...
	That's not an actual...
	Chapter...
	Uh, book, bro.
	A man had two eyes, one beloved, and the other hated.
	What is this?
	What the fuck is this, bro?
	That's actually blasphemy, by the way.
	Irrational says, the most annoying...
	Oh, by the way, Roland had to go to the airport.
	That's why he left.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The most annoying women that have been on FNF are on at the same time.
	I'm already bald.
	They're holding onto ideology by their fingernails.
	In 15 years, we're going to look at this time as the beginning of the end.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right, and then last one, sir?
	Yep.
	Ugh.
	Unless that's Deuteronomy, but you spelt it with a D-U-E-T, which I... All right.
	He goes, all right, I see we meet again, Ms.
	304, fake lawyer.
	When are you going to give up your evil whore ways?
	Look, bitch, you are actually attractive, but your diabolical ways have fucked you for life.
	Goddamn, nigga.
	Find Christ and settle down with a loser simp who will save you.
	That's your last option.
	You still have somewhat of a chance.
	By the way, Mike, I know you served as a medically retired SFC E7 within the army.
	Happy early Veterans Day.
	All right.
	Riveting commentary.
	What was your MOS? I was a KC-135 instructor navigator.
	It's AFSC. We don't have MOSs in the Air Force.
	I was a captain in the Air Force.
	Oh, Chair Force.
	Nemesis goes, W. Chris, I was talking shit before.
	Drink that Henny, nigga.
	Okay.
	Well, he's been drinking.
	Don't worry.
	Three or four alert.
	I see you were able to get that BBL but not fix them saggy-ass titties.
	OF subs are down.
	Is that why you keep coming here to get destroyed?
	Pixie, why are you here?
	You don't got shit to sell.
	Being built like a two-by-four.
	Goddamn, niggas.
	Your autistic ass always fails to understand biology.
	Did anybody have a response?
	That's a technical one.
	Well, to be fair, they get invited, right?
	To be fair, they get invited.
	They don't say, hey, I want to come on fresh and fit.
	They get invited because it adds more diversity and nuance to the conversation.
	This one was overpowering, though, for sure.
	This was too much tonight.
	I'm even bored.
	I'm bored as fuck.
	I was here as a panel member, and I should have been more...
	I agree with you.
	I hijacked the show the first time, but this time I was coming here under the pretenses that I wouldn't be sharing a panel with, like, No, no, no, no.
	You have big-ass tits, man.
	That man's in there.
	Come on.
	Jasmine, your tits are huge.
	What about it?
	Jasmine, wait, what about it?
	We got tits, man.
	Sorry, were you saying something?
	Go ahead.
	Well, I'll say it again.
	I was just saying that before the show we were told that there was going to be like us and then they were going to switch out them for the debate.
	So I was just under the impression of that.
	Yeah, I think there was like a last minute switch.
	Yeah, that which is fine.
	Chris, what was that?
	Go ahead, Chris.
	Explain that, please.
	I made it happen because I know you niggas want titties and annoyance.
	It's what it meant.
	And annoyance.
	It's your fault.
	Titties and annoyance.
	Hey, hey, hey, hey.
	This is my fault, right?
	Because they didn't mean niggas.
	Originally, that was a plan because I already knew that, like, you know, these two were going to just argue to argue.
	But I didn't think until after.
	It was like, okay, we're gonna put everybody on.
	So it is what it is.
	And girls, if you're here and you've been patient, I got you.
	No, we appreciate it.
	Alright, let's continue so we can close up.
	You guys in Rolo should do some episodes targeting military guys.
	Mike can probably confirm military guys need RO the most.
	What is RO? Yeah, Mike.
	I think probably Red Pillow is what he means.
	Yeah, it's RP. Fresh Balls.
	Gabby, I choose you from the Gawk Gawk Supreme Vacuum Seal Double Twisty Suction Cut.
	I got a good feeling about this one.
	Shout out my dog, Big Mo.
	You have anything you want to say back to that?
	Do you like black guys?
	Yes.
	You are the chosen one.
	It's really weird.
	Fresh's Balls has their own channel.
	It actually makes money as well.
	You haven't said much.
	What do you have to say?
	You lost me like 30 minutes ago.
	I have nothing to say right now.
	Fantastic.
	Just 30?
	Fresh, you got this.
	Oh, 30.
	We got some more here, and then we're closing this out.
	What else do we got here?
	Zozo Fit goes, Ayo, what's up, FNF? I'm Lexi's boyfriend.
	Happy you have her on the pod to give a different perspective on the dynamics of a non-traditional relationship.
	Much love, Zozo.
	That's your guy?
	You're fucking up by letting her be open, nigga.
	What are you doing?
	No, no.
	He's benefiting way more than I am.
	It's still an L. Apparently, he just tipped $100.
	That's the LF money right there.
	He's bringing in the money.
	The way it goes is, you're closed, he's open.
	That's how it goes.
	I'm almost closed.
	Is he black?
	No, he's pale white.
	He's like this color.
	Wait, wait, so...
	No, he knows it.
	He's Greek, but he's half Greek, but you would never know because he's so pale.
	So tell me, why does he want to date you?
	Because I put up with it?
	No, no, no, no.
	Because a lot of girls wouldn't put up with, like, an old man's boyfriend.
	Come on, man.
	Like, head, a game.
	You'd be surprised.
	She's probably reliable, but at the same time, like, she's able to, like, be there for him in ways that most women can't be.
	Okay.
	That's probably what it is.
	Not to, like, get personal, but, like, he said that, like, other women's sex drive, like, isn't as much, too.
	So, like, I try to put a lot of emphasis on keeping him satisfied and making sure, like, he's doing well.
	So you're a freak.
	Gotcha.
	Gotcha.
	Yeah.
	I think the best move is you should definitely close your side.
	We will.
	So we're going to close it off at some point.
	It's just like right now.
	No, no, no.
	You should close your side.
	You should close your side.
	No.
	He got to work.
	No.
	No.
	Yeah, he got to work.
	You got to work.
	Zozo!
	I'll hold those up.
	I'll hold those up.
	They're probably bad.
	I have a hundred dollars super check.
	No, no!
	We were on the left.
	Zozo!
	You'd be sitting there fucking a donut with a fuck your feet for a hundred dollars on OF?
	Are you kidding me?
	Do you know how many penis things he had to do to get $100 on OF? He had to send all these photos to gay man and shit to get a hundred dollars on OnlyFans.
	That's a good point.
	He has to stay open.
	Are you kidding me?
	Look at all this money he's got.
	We got up next.
	AlboA says, you're 28 and whoring on OnlyFans.
	Your body's all over the internet.
	You're a prime example of what type of woman to not consider for a serious relationship, essence therapy, antidepressants, and infusion.
	Who's he talking about?
	Who do you think he's talking about?
	28-year-old whoring on OnlyFans.
	I've never had any mental health issues so far.
	I mean...
	That's good.
	Not yet.
	Name one thing women are usually adversely held accountable for to save time.
	You can't say children, deadbeat, dad, child support, where's the father?
	Dad issues government assistance.
	Yeah, there's not really any.
	Fresh Balls.
	Man of God.
	Fresh Explain.
	IG Balls.
	Fresh Balls?
	What?
	No, no, no, no.
	We can't.
	It's not friendly for you.
	Okay.
	I don't know, man.
	Guys, I see a lot of you guys.
	If you guys had done FNF Super Chat, we'd have been able to get to you guys sooner.
	It's just that with Rumble, we've got to screen it and all this other shit.
	Pixie Lawyer and Reddress, the three-headed monster of never shutting the fuck up.
	Fantastic.
	Three or four lawyers making the argument that women between 25 and 32 plus highly educated are less likely to divorce.
	Sounds like to me she's just describing herself in order to trick some poor symptoms in marriage.
	I mean, look it up, unless everything is a conspiracy around me and all the stats are just, I'm part of the global cabal theory.
	Old paralegal gal ain't Iranian.
	Her lineage comes from the People's Republic of Yapistan.
	She speaks Yapistani.
	Cut Yapistani fucking ASAP. P.S. Chris, drink that yak.
	I can't blame you, cuh.
	Okay?
	A flying raptor.
	RZ goes, I checked the instas and goddamn, why all of you hoeing?
	Even the ones I expected more from.
	Even Miss Professional Dangerfield ass out.
	And even Pixie the ho, nurse, etc.
	outfits just can't be not hoeing.
	It's a cute outfit.
	I'm sure it is.
	I don't...
	Whatever.
	You can see it.
	I don't think I look that crazy.
	Whatever.
	My boyfriend is on my Instagram, though.
	Why would you bring the two most disingenuous bastards back on your show?
	Jasmine is a lawyer, so she's used to being a liar.
	She'll do anything to argue or point, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.
	Do you have anything you want to say back to that?
	That lawyers are liars?
	I mean, we're pretty good at advocating for our clients, but I'm actually genuinely, which is why I try not to use a lot of super anecdotal stuff until it gets there.
	I'm just looking at the data, which is why I think this was going to...
	I thought it was going to be a good debate, because I feel like someone like Michael is pretty well-versed on that, and I'm sorry we took over the show.
	Oh, shit.
	Lawyers are not an exception.
	There are 1.5 million lawyers in the USA. Many are broke.
	Some are Uber drivers.
	High-value men are Blue Henrys.
	Okay.
	And then Jason Todd, question for Jasmine.
	Why the fuck do you think we care about academia?
	You have made academia a religion, not realizing that it has been tainted by the biased cancer of liberalism.
	The best evidence that we have comes from studies.
	And then the kind of study also matters.
	There's stronger and weaker evidence, even in court, right?
	There's evidence that's stronger and weaker.
	And so the best evidence we have isn't our anecdotes, isn't our feelings.
	It's looking at...
	The study and when something's replicated.
	So for instance, divorce stats, that's really cut and clear, dry.
	Because every time you get divorced and every time you get married, it's recorded by the government and they know your demographics.
	So that is very hardcore evidence.
	That is just facts.
	And if this show is talking about facts over feelings, I'm just trying to come with the facts.
	Facts without a foundation is still just facts.
	And you gotta also understand that a lot of things that we talk about are taboo and they're not necessarily gonna run studies on some of the things that we talk about.
	They're not gonna run a study like, okay, how many of you motherfuckers are red pill aware in getting divorced from your wife?
	They're not gonna do that.
	I understand that, which is why I didn't bring that in.
	I just said like, oh, okay, you guys are saying younger women and this is what the stats show.
	And you're like, well, they're not measuring for red pill.
	Okay, you're right.
	One piece of advice we give without taking into full context advice.
	We say date younger women in their prime, but for you to be able to do that, you need to be in an authority position.
	How do you get the authority position?
	You've got to get the money, get in shape, etc.
	You've got to become the man first.
	And also, with stats, you have to have both sides of the equation.
	Men and women.
	You don't have women's side on this equation.
	Well, no.
	The stats are looking at both men and women because when people get married, there's a man and a woman in the demographics.
	The foundation of common sense, you need to understand both sides of the common sense.
	I don't mean to get back into this, but with Myron, the point is he was saying most men don't have these things.
	That's true.
	And that's true across the group that's marrying younger women and the group that isn't.
	But the difference with the younger women is that, like Pixie and me were saying, you see the clear difference.
	They're prefrontal cortex.
	I don't know what the bigger difference between men who are marrying or dating women in their age and younger, unless you're going to argue, which maybe you will, and that's okay, that the men who are marrying younger women are more likely to be simpy or not have those traits.
	Okay.
	Listen, bro, you're lost.
	Okay.
	Well, there's other things, too, but...
	Okay.
	All right, what else do we have here?
	Oh, Angel Card Cananas.
	And then that's it, right, Chris?
	Oh, we got two more.
	Oh, two more.
	These three of fours keep providing Schopenhauer right.
	Easy panel for the lads to fuck.
	Okay, looks outweigh status pixie.
	That's why none of the guys on the panel want to penetrate you.
	Okay.
	And then Angel Cardenas, W. Meyer on your spot on.
	I really like the in-depth convos, but they should be scheduled properly in advance next time.
	What are you talking about, bro?
	What do you mean schedule it properly in advance?
	I guess he means it's the debate.
	And then, last one here, James Bitch says, that 34 lawyer needs the right arm of the forbidden one.
	I guess, Exodia?
	Exodia.
	From Yu-Gi-Oh?
	It's the other arm.
	Oh.
	This is ridiculous.
	No, the other arm.
	Okay.
	Oh!
	Okay, got it.
	Got it.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	There you go.
	Alright!
	He got rejected at our school.
	Okay, let's, uh, we can go ahead and get your last thoughts or anything else.
	Couch, we'll start with you, miss.
	How's the show for you?
	I think it was good, like, to hear other people's opinions and, like, see people, like, you know, kind of argue about it.
	So, questions, concerns?
	No.
	Disagreements?
	Disagreements.
	Oh, Chris's.
	No, she's been quiet the whole night.
	What?
	She's been quiet the whole night, is what she's saying.
	I didn't hear you.
	It's like Hank Hale and Boomhauer, man.
	You still get used to it.
	Sorry.
	Questions, comments, disagreements, points, anything?
	I think that, you know, I kind of understand kind of like both sides, but, yeah.
	All right.
	Fantastic.
	Alright.
	Bye.
	My name is Pixie, P-X-I-E. You can find me on Twitch, on Twitter.
	Shut up, bitch!
	Nah, bro, that was...
	Come on, man.
	Stop, stop.
	Alright, alright, alright.
	Go ahead, Pixie.
	Your social's already there.
	What else do you gotta say?
	I know sometimes we disagree and it can get heated, but I really do like having good faith conversation.
	I try my best, even if it doesn't come across that way all the time.
	You don't have a good faith conversation at all.
	I would have not come here if I did not want a good faith conversation.
	No, you want clicks.
	That's why you argue in bad faith, which is fine.
	It's fine.
	You definitely argue in bad faith.
	I asked her to come.
	What about you?
	Go ahead.
	I enjoyed my time here.
	I think you guys are very hospitable.
	It was nice being here in person because I've been watching you guys for a while.
	I even watch your channel, FedReacts.
	Thank you so much for supporting.
	I didn't know that.
	I love it.
	You get to see a whole other side where I'm not losing my hair follicles.
	I do want to ask you a question about that action as well.
	You can ask your hair.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, I was just going to ask if there's any way I could help virtually because I don't live in Miami, but to help with research or anything like that.
	Yeah, I'll talk to you.
	I'll talk to you.
	The other thing I was going to say, I actually think the best way to get information on what the men that we desire want is asking the men that we desire.
	Facts.
	Common sense is not common anymore.
	Black queen over there.
	What about you?
	Um...
	Not much.
	I love the new studio.
	Congrats, guys.
	New studio is freaking incredible.
	I hope so.
	It was expensive.
	Real quick, I do just want to say, I agree with a lot of the stuff you guys say, but I've had debates with Pixia until 4am where there's no cameras on, nothing.
	She's always like this, even when there's no cameras on.
	So she's not doing it for any cloud.
	She has opinions that are wrong, in my opinion, but they're her opinions.
	She's still single, man.
	I think Pixie is true to herself, is what I'm saying.
	And I think it's disingenuous to say.
	I mean, the thing is, like, you know, like, people...
	When he asked a simple question, what do you think men value more, and she couldn't answer it, that's when I was like, ah, here we go.
	What about you?
	What are your thoughts?
	I had a lot of fun.
	I hope my boyfriend actually got me on the show.
	I would like to come back next year when I'm in Miami.
	It's been a goal of mine to be able to debate you guys, and I wish I got more time to do that.
	Go ahead.
	What do you want to debate about?
	Give us one quick topic.
	I don't have any.
	Just off the fly stuff.
	Stupid.
	What do you disagree with, then, that we talk about?
	I feel like you guys look at things a little too black and white.
	I understand that to make things more palatable for your viewers.
	Give us an example.
	You're putting me on the spot.
	I don't have anything right now.
	Are you up for E5 at any point?
	No, I still have to go to BLC. Actually, I'm not going until 2025.
	And then you'll be sergeant.
	Yeah, no, I'm not doing none of that corporal shit.
	Okay, got it.
	Alright, sounds good.
	Yeah, that was it.
	I enjoyed myself.
	Yeah, so I actually, I really appreciate you guys actually engaging with my ideas and my comments and trying to have a little bit of a higher IQ conversation, trying to tone down the ad hominem attacks.
	I think that's how critical thinking skills can develop.
	I do have a question.
	It's kind of unrelated for you two, but I can ask it at the risk of being...
	Yeah, sure.
	So, you say you're Muslim and you're not practicing, and you're Christian and you're not practicing.
	My question is just to compare you guys to like the Tradcon, like the Daily Wire people.
	If you still believe, even if you're not practicing, that the books you guys follow are the scripture, the doctrine, why do you preach against it when it comes to male sexuality?
	I guess my question is what do you know that you think God got wrong, your gods got wrong, Because it's one thing to say I'm not practicing if you're Muslim and say, oh, I'm not practicing, I eat pork.
	It's another thing to come on a show and say, oh, you can eat pork if you're high value enough or if you worked hard to get the pork.
	Like, you're actively preaching against it.
	Which is the Christian religious thing and the Muslim religious thing that you think that they're preaching against?
	Because premarital sex for men, too, or sex outside of marriage is wrong for men, according to their religion.
	Now, they can say they're not practicing it, but why are they preaching against their God?
	I just wonder if there's cognitive dissonance there, because I'm just comparing you guys to the Daily Wire people, who at least seems like their values align with their faith.
	While you can say you're not practicing, I wonder what you guys found in society, the God that you believe in, if you believe in the Quran and you believe in the Bible.
	Can I take this one?
	Actually, so I think probably the issue, like, you know, I like Steven Crowder, but Steven Crowder got married to a woman, did not sign a prenup, and then ended up in a bad situation.
	It's just like, there's a point at which, for men, there's a bit of naivete with having zero sexual, sexual experience seems to be much more valuable for men than women.
	I think that's, am I close?
	Yes.
	Is that what you guys would say?
	But then my question is, why didn't God predict this?
	Why didn't God say, okay, premarital sex is worse for women than for men.
	It's banned for both.
	You're supposed to only now in Islam, you can have four wives, but you're not supposed to go to the club and fuck the hoes.
	I'm wondering if you guys have any, what you guys feel about your faith, where you feel so comfortable preaching against the faiths that you purport to believe in.
	So, you're questioning God?
	I'm an atheist.
	This isn't about me.
	I'm talking for you.
	Like, I'm wondering, like, just comparing, like, if there is any cognitive distance, how you guys square that away.
	That's just a genuine, like, question I'm curious with.
	I'm not trying to get a gotcha.
	I mean, I can admit that there's a truth, and there's one truth, but at the same time, I can also understand that, like, I live in the real world, and in the real world, there's real issues that come up.
	So the Bible doesn't apply to the world anymore?
	Hold on, I'm not done.
	Okay, sorry.
	And as a result, I've chosen to live in the world.
	I build the world.
	Is it correct?
	No.
	But if I live in the world, I have to adapt to it.
	So that's my reality right now.
	Okay, what about you?
	Adaptation to the current sexual marketplace.
	Unfortunately, religion is not going to save you from the fuckery that's going on.
	Women are more promiscuous now than ever before.
	We have a different world nowadays.
	And, unfortunately, being a traditional man and playing by that set of rules is not going to serve you with modern women who are not playing by those rules.
	So you think Muslims shouldn't be following the Quran, they should be following...
	I'm not saying that at all.
	What I am saying is that...
	In order for you to be in a relationship in 2020, especially since you can marry outside of your religion, right?
	As a man, unfortunately, you need to understand how women operate, right?
	You can go to another place where women tend to have a different belief system, but in general, women have changed significantly, and if you don't know what you're doing, you're putting yourself in a compromising situation, because when you get married as a man, you're the one that takes all the risk, not the women.
	I mean, if that's your answer, I don't want to go back and forth with it.
	But I would say like a Ben Shapiro, he's an Orthodox Jew.
	He's in that community.
	He still is able to practice his religion.
	You guys are saying you can't properly practice your religion in today's...
	He met his wife through another Jewish family.
	She was a virgin.
	He was a virgin.
	The likelihood of that happening for most people is extremely unlikely.
	It's just not going to happen.
	Which also made him Ben Shapiro.
	Tradcons don't understand that the sexual marketplace has changed significantly.
	And they don't understand that women date differently.
	And playing by the traditional conservative playset of rules is not going to serve you as a man.
	Because women are playing by the liberal, I've reserved the right to change my mind at any time set of rules.
	So you think the Quran and the Bible are not as applicable today?
	If that's the answer, that's fine.
	Just from dealing with modern women, but everything else is correct.
	I think Islam solves a lot of the world's problems.
	Okay, so Islam solves the world's problems, but not the part about restrictions on male sexuality.
	I think for you to be able to date capital women, right, as women that aren't non-believers, etc., and be able to be in a position of advantage where you're able to understand and deal with them, you're going to have to have sexual experience, unfortunately.
	Okay, so God just didn't predict this.
	Okay, got it.
	Nobody said that.
	I didn't say that.
	Well, I'm saying that if the Quran, as far as, I mean, I'm Middle Eastern too, it's supposed to be the book you're supposed to follow forever, not just until things change.
	So I just feel like if...
	Is there family atheists too?
	No, they're Muslim, but they're not like hardcore.
	They're culturally Muslim.
	But it's the same.
	It's the same thing.
	But the differences, they would say, this is the right way.
	I'm doing it wrong.
	They're saying...
	Well, that's what he said.
	That's what he said.
	So I think that's a good answer.
	But I would just push back on, okay, if this is still what God said, that men are better, it's better, it's good to restrict your sexual promiscuity, then why do you tell men that if they work hard enough that they can disobey God?
	That's kind of my question.
	It's not that.
	What I'm saying is that the reality is you need to adapt to the new normal.
	So if a guy is high value and he's enjoying the fruits of his labor, is he not disobeying God?
	He is.
	Okay.
	He is, but that's not a major sin.
	Zinnah or whatever the fuck it's called, that's not a major sin?
	Not really, no.
	Oh, okay.
	Hold on, if you're not married, then it's really not.
	There's way worse sins.
	From what I've learned, having sex outside of marriage is a pretty bad sin, but okay.
	I mean, you can still go to heaven.
	Of course, you can go to heaven even if you do it.
	But what I'm saying is, if you come on here and you're like, it's okay to eat pork when X, when God says it's never okay.
	It's okay to have sex with multiple women when you gain the status.
	That's not what God says.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Here's the thing.
	I'm saying if you want to be religious like that and you want to follow the dean 100%, you need to leave the United States and find a woman that also follows that dean that's going to play by the same set of rules that you do.
	But if you're going to go ahead and get with a westernized woman that thinks that having sex all throughout her 20s and living life, whatever...
	You're going to be in that situation.
	You're going to try to find a wife in there.
	You're going to try to, you know, get a relationship there.
	You need to know what the hell you're getting into.
	I agree, but there's a reason that even imam, sheikhs, whatever, they're not telling Western men that now you don't have to follow it because you're in a different place.
	That is still the prescription.
	That is still the word of God.
	I don't care how many of you is, but I'm saying, like, I'm just wondering how you're going.
	For someone as an atheist, you care a lot.
	I care a lot about cognitive dissonance and intellectual, like, when it's not consistent.
	Inconsistency, that's all.
	But, I mean, you're acting as if, like, we're, like, super practicing and we're, like, telling guys, oh, blah, blah, blah.
	No, no, no.
	I'm just telling guys, I'm taking my own personal religious bias aside and telling guys, this is the best way to operate in 2023, objectively speaking.
	Fuck my religion.
	Fuck my personal beliefs.
	This is what's going to work best for you in 2023 with modern women.
	But what should be best objectively should be dictated by your religion.
	Also, no.
	No, no.
	For you, for you.
	No, because I'm going to give the best advice to men to succeed outside of my personal beliefs, my personal mindset, etc.
	But so you, if you still believe this, I'm just asking, do you believe that God objective, like if you believe in objective morality and it comes from God, that it's wrong, because God says it's wrong for men, high value men, to sleep with a bunch of women.
	Shouldn't they still have sex within the boundaries of their marriages?
	I'd rather them ask for forgiveness after they find their wife and they're not getting destroyed and they learn the prerequisite skill set than them ask for forgiveness from a fucking judge for making the bad decision.
	God will forgive.
	Divorce court wrong.
	How many times do men in church get married to women in church?
	They find out that they understand women, they get divorced, and then they hate God.
	Multiple times.
	I understand that.
	I'd rather a man go through and learn the hard way.
	Hey, listen, man.
	Women aren't sugar and spice.
	Learn that, hey, listen, things happen, and know that, okay, I'm making a choice here to do what I want to do as a man.
	We're giving the best objective advice.
	I understand that, but I'm saying, like, not based on our religion.
	But it's like, eat the pork and then repent.
	Shut up, bitch!
	You can eat the pork and repent.
	You can, but I wouldn't say that if you're having a show where you're telling men, oh, this is the best way to eat the most pork, you're being, like, you're in alignment with you.
	It'll be a problem.
	If we're telling men that we're Christian and Muslim, and then do this.
	We've self-admittedly both said multiple times, we are not good at our religion.
	We need to get better.
	We've been super open about that, and I think transparency is very important.
	And we don't sit there and tell people, you need to convert, blah, blah, blah.
	What we tell guys is, outside of our personal belief system, this is the best way to get ahead in a secular Western world.
	Yes.
	Where religion no longer is there to protect you from female fuckery.
	We're going with the best objective advice, not our own personal advice.
	You could say that, but you're still preaching against me.
	Man, shut up, man.
	Next.
	This is, bro, perfect example.
	You're literally arguing about faith right now.
	Yo, yo, she's single.
	We never purport ourselves to be religious.
	We don't even bring religion up unless it's asked by the chat, really.
	I was just curious as a personal question, if you believe in it, how you feel about it, but that's okay.
	Yo, yo, yo, shut up, man.
	Hey, sorry, man.
	Bro.
	Chris.
	Tits, pussy, whatever, man.
	You know what I'm saying?
	What?
	What?
	You're a single?
	Your pussy's open on IG, all over internet.
	Come on, man.
	It's not an argument.
	Come on, man.
	Chill.
	Chill.
	Fuck out, man.
	Since you like to ask that question, how does your family feel about you having sex openly on Twitter, like on video?
	They don't like it.
	Yeah, of course.
	I don't live to appease my parents.
	All right.
	All right.
	Two or four, man.
	Doubt shall cast first stone.
	Look at you.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I enjoyed it.
	This is definitely like...
	Yeah, but this pointing your parents sucks.
	Like, it's one thing at this point, God, but your parents?
	Goddamn.
	I agree.
	It's not the best, but also you can discipline your parents for marrying outside of your religion, for being gay, for whatever.
	I don't think we should live to please our parents.
	Now, I'm lucky that my parents love me a lot and I still have a good relationship, although they're very, very unhappy with my decision, but I live a life that's conducive to my happiness.
	Now, my parents being upset about it, I don't think I should change my entire life in order to appease my parents.
	I don't live for my parents.
	I understand that, but are you okay with the fact that men are always going to look at you as a sexual object?
	And nothing more.
	Depends on the man, but my subscribers or people on the internet, are you guys looking at me as a sexual object?
	Your point of view, after seeing those Twitter posts, I could care less.
	You asked me to be here, even though you saw the Twitter post, so I don't know.
	I get that, but I'm just saying, so you're okay with that?
	I'm okay with the type of men I like are not going to see it, but I'm okay with men like you guys seeing me like that.
	That's totally fine.
	What if I told you the liberal men that you like are also going to look at you as a sexual object?
	They're just going to dance around it better and not say it.
	I disagree with that.
	We could do another debate on that.
	She's single as fuck, man.
	Big titties, man.
	So single.
	Sorry for that.
	Go ahead.
	I've never seen this podcast before, so it was interesting for me to be here.
	I don't know.
	Learned a lot.
	Liked it.
	What'd you learn?
	I just wish that, like...
	What'd you learn?
	We had a topic.
	Just listening to all her facts and the numbers, like, I didn't know any of that stuff, to be honest with you.
	I just wish the topic would have been brought up and we would have each, like, had a turn to, like, say our own view instead of it just...
	Normally, that's how it goes, but, you know, the vacuum was sucking up everything.
	I mean, you guys could have just come in and said something.
	Yeah.
	It's a little intimidating.
	This is our first podcast.
	That's what Icy said.
	Icy told you guys it was going to be like this.
	And she said you needed to go in.
	But you guys do a good job of making you feel comfortable with the weight and stuff.
	We got you next time.
	Thank you.
	I actually watch you guys.
	I watch you guys with my man.
	That's how I even found out about you guys.
	You got clean up that Instagram done.
	Goddamn.
	Post that nigga, man Post that nigga, man Yo, five years?
	Give him a post that nigga Yo, you're gonna make it private Yo, she's bending What over, bro?
	Post that nigga Yo, she's bending Yo, yo, yo Yo, yo Okay, I can personally Give me five seconds Yo, yo When you go home To suck his dick For at least two hours, man, bro You know what?
	Today's his birthday, 11-11, and that was the plan.
	Fuck the birthday, nigga.
	Is he paying the bills?
	Okay, so anyways, what I have to say was that because of him, I have tuned in a lot more.
	I have learned a lot from you guys.
	I have taken a lot of advice from you guys as well as far as how to behave as a woman and opening my eyes to certain flaws that I had and trying to become a better woman.
	With all that being said, I had a great time today.
	I would love to come back.
	I actually like the topics that you guys speak on.
	So, yeah.
	Bro, your jaw should hurt.
	This was a very interesting experience.
	I learned that white lying is horrible too.
	Sorry about that.
	But yeah, this was interesting.
	I've seen you guys on my clips before, and just like meeting you in person, I mean, at least having this conversation was kind of like, just different, seeing you guys in your realm.
	You both see the worst that's possible of us talking shit.
	I just see clips, like, I go through my shorts sometimes, and I've seen clips of you guys, so.
	Oh shit.
	What'd you think before you came on the show then?
	I thought that, I mean, I agree with you guys.
	Oh shit.
	I have a lot of like, of the same viewpoints because of my ex-boyfriend.
	Oh yeah?
	Yeah.
	He didn't show me this podcast, but he showed me a lot of YouTube videos.
	What did your ex-guy do?
	That's a long story.
	Drugs, too?
	No, no, no.
	It wasn't drugs.
	It was just something happened where our parents were just like, all right, you guys can't see each other anymore.
	No, no.
	I mean, what did he do as his job?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I thought you were asking, like, how did it end?
	Yeah, drugs.
	He is a...
	Drugs.
	Well, when we were dating, he worked at a boxing gym, and then I joined him.
	But now he's at a vape shop.
	Money laundering.
	Babe shop.
	Come on, man.
	Babe shop.
	Money laundering.
	Why'd y'all break up then?
	That was recent.
	Oh, recent?
	Yeah.
	Why'd y'all break up?
	UFC fit.
	Did y'all fight or some shit?
	Yeah, it was just a stupid argument.
	Did he get physical?
	No.
	It was just kind of like we broke up a long time ago and we kept seeing each other.
	Was he black?
	No, he's white, actually.
	He's white.
	That was gross.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So...
	He's Cuban.
	Ms.
	Blackface, take us off.
	Y'all still smash though, don't you?
	I mean, we did like three days ago, but...
	I ended it though.
	Four days ago.
	Remember what I said earlier?
	I probably will, but he's not talking to me.
	You can make a phone call?
	Yeah.
	Until she finds another guy that she can fuck, she's not gonna let that go.
	Unless you're fucking...
	I'm just like...
	Come on, man.
	Girls would rather not get another body and go after their old body.
	Some girls.
	I mean, I agree with that.
	But, like...
	I just, I'm looking for a husband, so...
	Shut up, bitch!
	So yeah, you don't want to add another body.
	That's what he said.
	That's literally what he just said.
	All my days, bro.
	I wasn't disagreeing.
	I wasn't disagreeing.
	All my days.
	Okay.
	You said...
	I think it did.
	I'm too tired.
	Oh, now I'm too tired.
	I'm serious.
	I didn't even notice what you guys said.
	Yo, man.
	Yo, man.
	Miss Blackface, take us home.
	Qualcomm!
	Thank you for having me.
	What's your take on all of this?
	Oh, I have a lot of them.
	Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga.
	Yo, what the fuck?
	After this, OSU, your scholarship, they gave it back to you.
	You got nothing?
	Go Cowboys.
	Okay, I gotta do a little question for y'all.
	What's worse, like a girl that is like a whore online does OnlyFans, but in real life she's had sex with like two people?
	That's not you.
	I didn't say it was, but thank you.
	What the fuck?
	Or the other way around.
	Or like, she's a slut in real life, but she has no social media and she looks like an angel.
	She wears no makeup and dresses, but she fucked a lot of guys.
	We have to pick one?
	Yeah, I know you want an 18-year-old virgin, but...
	You know what's crazy?
	Like, even though I know the girl that's the OnlyFans, that has two bodies, it's probably a better bet because of only two guys.
	Finally, it might be on the internet, but disqualify her immediately.
	So you think it's better?
	It's you and the other?
	That's a hoe that's not on the internet.
	I'd rather take a chance with her.
	Test it, of course, but if I had to choose one for the argument's sake, I'd choose her.
	I wouldn't date either seriously, but here's the thing.
	The girl with the only fans would automatically be disqualified from something serious, and then the girl that has a lot of bodies, I would find out eventually, because girls that are whores have certain characteristics that are...
	You see a pattern.
	Girls that are hoes always reveal themselves if you give it enough time.
	And she might be a great person, 100%.
	But promiscuous girls just have certain habits.
	You care more about what other people think about you than what you actually think about that person.
	Yeah, because as men, we kind of have to because we're judged on our status.
	We make money on our status.
	We meet other women on our status.
	We hire people who come to work for us because of our status.
	So we kind of have to.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Yeah, but the world doesn't have to know who that person is.
	And if you're richin' up and all that, then you can get her stuff taken off the internet, and there you go.
	That's really hard to do.
	That's not so hard to do.
	It's not impossible.
	There's somebody that has their videos online, no matter who you are.
	Tell that to Will Smith.
	Jada has no videos, but his reputation is still fucked.
	And Reddit is forever.
	Yeah, that's the other thing.
	Women don't understand that, like, the reason why guys don't want to commit to hoes a lot of times, besides the fact that they'll cheat on them and might have a kid with someone else, is that their reputation gets absolutely destroyed.
	Like, if you wife up a whore, you will be the laughing stock.
	Everyone will make fun of you.
	It doesn't matter how much money, how much status you have, it will always come back to haunt you.
	That's why I tell girls, if you're going to do OL, if you're going to do sex work, etc., be prepared to have to settle with a guy that might not be your first choice.
	We can smash and have fun.
	But, that's the extent.
	Okay, so, prostitute who has fucked...
	Oh, I don't want to say that.
	It's like 2,000 guys or 1,000 guys versus OnlyFansgirl has sex with two guys.
	Who are you choosing?
	Hold on, you're trying to qualify now.
	No, who cares?
	We're just saying the fundamentals, that's kind of the basis right there.
	I'll keep it simple.
	The OnlyFansgirl will get disqualified off-rip for something serious.
	However, the girl that's had sex with 2,000 guys...
	Yeah.
	Her high body count is going to rear its ugly head through her behaviors.
	And back problems.
	Girls that are hoes have indistinguishable character traits that you just can identify if you're a guy and you've been around enough women, you will be able to tell girls that are promiscuous, just off behaviors.
	The thing you have to consider is that a high-value man, it's like wins against replacement in sports.
	It's not this girl versus this girl.
	It's this girl also versus single.
	No, but that wasn't the option.
	Right, but that's the thing.
	I had two options.
	But as a high-value man, I have to choose between these two, then I'm not a high-value man.
	Okay, but if you had to, that was the question.
	Right.
	Okay, I answered it for you.
	Alright, Sartain and Sterling.
	I mean, I'll answer it in good faith.
	The hypothetical scenario.
	Thank you.
	Yes, yes.
	Because I like these scenarios.
	They're fun.
	So, I would go with the girl who has the OF, We're assuming originally that it's not boy-girl stuff.
	It's not boy-girl stuff, then definitely go.
	Yeah, it's not boy-girl.
	I didn't say she's a full-blown porn, so I said she has an OnlyFans.
	You didn't say that.
	If it was boy-girl, then why I would have mentioned the more bodies and stuff.
	Because at that point, you could delete the stuff, and it's not going to be anything that's going to be sexual.
	That's the point.
	The whole point is, yes, I take the girl who had the OF stuff, Very, very immediately, I'd say, look, get rid of this shit.
	Also, I would take personal screenshots of fucking everything that was on there so it couldn't be used against me later on as, like, a gotcha moment.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because all the things you've just said, right?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Because as a guy, it will be used against you later on.
	Like, that leverage will be used against you.
	So you have to take...
	Dude, if women knew how much it fucks with guys' heads, they would not do it, man.
	They wouldn't fucking.
	We get that you need the money, but still.
	But also, also, the opposite choice, right, which is a girl who's a slut, who's had a lot of partners, look at Dylan Dennis and Logan Paul.
	It'll come up again eventually.
	It's 2023.
	Eventually, oh, I took the easy option of the girl who didn't have an OnlyFans, oh, but she's been with...
	Leonardo.
	Jack Nicholson.
	This guy.
	That guy.
	Eventually, that past is going to be exposed on the internet.
	So I might as well pick the girl who, assuming her data is correct, which is a hypothetical scenario, but assuming what she says is correct.
	Okay, well, the girl's had a couple of bodies.
	And I know it's limited.
	Versus the girl who's been all around Hollywood.
	And then eventually it'll get exposed and I'll get more and more and more embarrassed.
	And my reputation will get more and more degraded.
	Right.
	Cool.
	Okay, and where can they find you?
	StillmanCoopid.com.
	Where, where, Moe?
	That.
	Moe?
	Oh, I got you, I got you.
	All right.
	The easiest way to get hold of me is on Instagram.
	I like for guys to use social media in order to build their status, to be able to show their status.
	So you guys can check me out there.
	Or you guys can check me out at moamentoring.com and definitely come out and check that out.
	I really did appreciate the fact that at least the two of you did some research.
	There's lots of books.
	That's one of the reasons why I appreciate debating with Destiny, and I've done so many of them, is because he's willing to look stuff up.
	We have an opinion.
	One thing I wanted to do was like...
	It can't just be that we just disagree, because there were several times where it was like Rollo was saying something, and you were saying something, and the result was the same, but it was good in your eyes because of an egalitarian mean, and it was bad in his eyes because we didn't have a traditional family.
	But we were saying the same thing, right?
	And so I think that that standard that we have of morality kind of determines how we see these different things.
	The problem is when we start pushing things in one direction or another the way we want them to be, right?
	Anyway, I don't want to go too far into all the statistics, but I do appreciate you two.
	I would love for you two to come to Las Vegas, or just get on Rolo's Sunday show.
	I asked him if he'd be down to do it.
	You could just have four hours, just go at it, stats after stats, but just tell him what you want to talk about before so he can do some research.
	Nobody's going to do more research than Rolo.
	He's the only person who reads as much as me, so that's why I think people don't give him enough credit for that.
	So yeah, I would love it.
	What is this?
	Oh, Pixie.
	There we go.
	Beautiful.
	Anyway, yeah, man.
	I appreciate you guys.
	Thank you.
	What the hell?
	I've been here.
	I've been here.
	Okay.
	That's not mine.
	All right.
	Another show because she was saying, oh, it was cute or whatever.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there's nothing.
	Scroll down.
	Cosplay L. All right, guys.
	We have all the girls here.
	Pixie's fucking IG. It's not.
	Come on, man.
	Bro.
	Chris.
	Okay.
	This nigga, bro.
	Sorry, we do a lot, man.
	Bills, right there, man?
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah, all right, Bills.
	Nah.
	All right, so...
	I don't even think we can show her IG.
	We can't show her IG.
	Yeah.
	Someone says Zerba's getting deported?
	Huh?
	He's getting deported?
	Who?
	No one's heard from him since the event happened, and they said he's worried about getting deported.
	But that's just a rumor.
	Who knows?
	Okay.
	Alright, man.
	Oh shit, do Chris really pulled them all up?
	Goddamn, nigga.
	It's fine, it's fine.
	And then one last chat, and then I'm going to close this thing out.
	Lawyer obviously reaching in this religious debate.
	She's deflecting her failure.
	I mean, okay.
	I mean, it was a little bit of a reach, but it's fine.
	I don't think so.
	Guys, this was a great show.
	Four more?
	Imagine feeling so bad in your arguments, you have to look for clicks on religion.
	I was just genuinely asking if I had a question.
	That was a question I've had for a while.
	Gigi on the Strat.
	Gigi on the Strat.
	Oh, okay.
	On the Strat though, love.
	And then get the lawyer to bring one of her male friends she believes thinks like her to come on the podcast slash lie detector.
	That would be very interesting.
	That would be very interesting.
	And all of these were $100.
	$100.
	Ladies, we understand it went a little bit longer.
	Thank you for staying and being part of the show.
	Next time it won't be that long or that intensive with these two.
	And I'm sorry for lying.
	So fresh, the chat wants to show the MyG on Instagram, right?
	Just a little bit.
	Me?
	Sure.
	No, like, no, no.
	All the girls.
	You're such a fucking clock chaser, man.
	Chris.
	Chris.
	Hold on.
	I mean, I'm not here for charity.
	Chris, I'm gonna hold you.
	Come on here, Chris.
	It's like community service.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Chris, you told me.
	I get that, but it's like blatant.
	Chris, what time do you tell the girls?
	Alright, so let's go, girls.
	Two minutes each, alright?
	Ready?
	And the crazy part is, bro, like, a lot of you guys sign up to our OnlyFans.
	Like, bro, you need to slap yourself in the fucking face if you do.
	Two minutes each, right?
	Like, it is what it is, but you guys can't get mad about, like, oh, OnlyFans, blah, blah, blah, and y'all, like, sign up.
	Like, you can't get mad.
	Alright, chat.
	Two minutes each.
	Accountability, guys.
	One for yes, or two for no.
	What was that?
	Chris, what are you doing, bro?
	Yo, end it on there.
	See you on the Hedy, man.
	All right, guys.
	We'll go ahead and end it right there, man.
	Ladies' Instagrams are below, man.
	Thank you, chat, by the way.
	Oh, shit.
	Is that Jerka?
	Run!
	Move!
	Is that Jerka?
	Don't sign up.
	Don't sign up for OnlyFans, guys.
	Where's he at?
	N-S-O! N-S-O! N-S-O! N-S-O! All right, peace, guys.
	So far away.
	I just ran.

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