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Nov. 10, 2023 - Fresh & Fit
02:49:40
JonZherka v HS Fight Reaction, Debunking RP Haters, PUA, Modern Dating & MORE!
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And we are live.
What's up, guys?
Welcome to Frustrated Podcast, man.
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The boys are back in town.
Let's get into it.
Let's go.
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They just came back from a trip in Columbia.
Everyone fucking loved it.
And your Twitter's going crazy, by the way.
This guy is going insane on Twitter.
As we speak right now, actually put the camera on me real quick.
Look at this.
Guys, my account is locked.
You guys can see here.
Yes sir!
It got locked yesterday, bro.
Take his phone away, bro.
Take his phone away.
I was going nuts yesterday.
That's the print that Byron has, but come on, bro.
Yeah, bro.
I was going to say pull up the Twitter again, but not.
What's the last thing I said?
Misogony.
Oh, no, no, no.
Don't even scroll down.
What's going on?
I'll tell you guys this.
I say a lot of things I'm not going to necessarily say over here because of YouTube guidelines and stuff like that.
But check me out on Twitter.
Guys, I'm banned for another two hours.
You know what the tweet was?
It actually wasn't even bad.
I said, pedos need to get the D penalty.
That's not that bad.
It's not that bad.
But they hit me with, like, violence.
Violence.
Because of the death penalty.
Yeah.
But it's like, but that...
Really?
Of everything else I said, really?
I said, Greta Thunberg is...
Well, you should be thankful that was what they caught.
How bad?
Fair enough.
Fair enough, bro.
It was so bad, I told Myron, today, bro, find an offshore bank account, because they might cancel you, bro.
Oh, yeah, he did say that, actually.
An offshore bank account.
He did say it, like, an offshore bank account, man.
Tweets aren't that bad, bro.
Even I messaged Myron last night, bro.
I said, yo, log off and go take a nap, bro.
Twitter slash X is double-edged sword, bro.
It starts off nice, but then when you get cut, it's not nice anymore, bro.
I'm telling you, bro.
All right.
We'll see.
We'll see.
Either way, I'm banned.
For two hours.
My account is locked right now, so I can't do nothing.
I try to log in, and it gives me what I call the white screen of death, bro.
I've never seen that.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Bro, whatever.
WTwitter, bro.
Take his phone away.
Without further ado, we've got three special guests in the house, man.
Welcome to the guests.
Welcome back, guys.
We're happy to have you guys.
Go ahead.
How are you guys doing?
My name is Michael Sartain.
I'm Zerka's personal trainer.
Hi, I'm Noel Tomasi.
I'm John Zerka's athletic psychologist.
I'm Stanley Cooper.
I am Zerka's celebrity nutritionist.
There we go.
We haven't really done our job very well.
We'd like to say we disavow any knowledge of John Zerka.
They did not tell me they were going to say that.
What the hell?
Listen.
We love you, John.
We all saw the video and we are disappointed.
Not because it happened in the first place.
And look, bro.
That was crazy, man.
And...
You wanna talk about this man?
Cause this is crazy.
Yeah, I mean, listen, I really like John a lot.
I think he has a ton to contribute, but then sometimes it's just like you kind of wish someone would grab him and be like, hey, you know, there's a smarter way to do this.
And when I watched the fight, my first thought was that first right cross he hit, I feel like he didn't put everything into it because he thought they were playing, but they weren't playing.
And then Tiki Taki was explaining to him, we're not playing.
But you see when they get up at the end, that wouldn't be me.
We're gonna go until somebody's dead or the cops show up.
My whole thing is, it was a fight but not really a fight.
I don't know.
The thing is, when you put that on camera, that's the problem.
You see the two of them rolling into the street.
One false step and that's someone's head going under a tire.
Easy!
They were very close to that.
Zerka's got like, how many pounds on here?
Like a good hundred pounds on him?
He was pretty big.
Like 6'5", 230 something.
And I was just like, yeah, man, it's crazy.
So today, earlier, right, I was driving home from the gym.
And I see HS TikTok-y.
I say, yo, bro, come on the show.
Because we met before dinner with Aiden and Estico.
And I was like, you know what?
Come on the show, bro.
We'll talk about whatever.
And then, behold, kid you not, bro, in like an hour or two hours after that, this happens.
I'm like, what the fuck?
Here at Brickell.
But again, he's live streaming live streaming.
On stream, in Brickell.
You made a great point about that.
So this could not happen in Vegas because all of our YouTubers or whatever, we live in high-rises that are all far away from each other or in houses.
And this wouldn't happen in Los Angeles because you see people, it's spread out everywhere.
But here, you guys, there's like these two massive buildings here in Brickell where everybody just kind of lives.
And the idea, like, I was texting John last night and he was telling me where he was and I was like, I just realized, if you stream, they'll just pull up on you.
And this is kind of a unique, maybe in New York you could do this too, but it's kind of a unique thing that would happen there.
But I don't think people thought it was going to be that serious, but it was actually serious.
I knew that something was going to be a physical confrontation.
Is this like kayfabe?
Is this like for real?
It was real, man.
Because that first shot that he threw out his face, I was like, he didn't connect as well as I thought he would.
Because he was with a girl, HS Hitaki was on a date, right?
I sent her a DM, too, by the way.
It was hilarious.
What the fuck?
That was out of Moxies, though, right?
I mean, HS just told us a little while ago.
He was talking to you, and he was like...
You mean before that he went out with her?
No, while he was on the stream, I sent her a DM. To be fair, I was joking around, I sent her a black heart emoji, and she showed them on screen, on live, so it was kind of funny.
What the hell, nigga?
So you caused all this?
I love calling guys while they're on stream.
I do this to you all the time.
I love calling people while they're on stream.
He threw something at HS, but it hit the girl.
It hit the girl, yeah.
Which is crazy, bro, because damn, she was even involved in this shit.
So that's wild, bro.
Yeah, I mean, if that happened, then it's a real fight.
Like, if you hit my girl, if you could imagine someone hit your mom if you were just having dinner with your mom.
I mean, he expressed a lot of patience then.
Oh, yes, he did.
They're doing the grab, the whole NBA grab the elbow thing where I don't really want to fight.
And then John hits him first.
Yeah.
I'm like, bro, what are you doing on camera?
Madness.
Yo, what does that mean if you hit somebody first on camera?
Do you know who was behind the camera?
His manager, Dante, was recording, and I think someone was recording on Zerk's end as well?
I don't know who that was.
Yeah, because they tried to break it up, and I see the camera guy saying, back up, back up.
And I'm like, no, man, I'm not going to let them in the street.
They're on the sidewalk, maybe, but not in the fucking street.
That's crazy.
Guess what?
In the name of content, anything goes.
For sure.
That's why I thought it was a game.
We were talking before.
You mentioned somebody before, Myron.
I really think there needs to be a maybe middle-tier, not as big as Jake and Logan Paul, but middle-tier celebrity boxing YouTuber thing, because I'm down.
Let's do it.
We can do it in Vegas.
Let's get this guy in there.
Let's go.
Yeah.
Right before the show, as you guys know, I've been training like two times a day and shit.
So I've been getting a...
I used to be a roller, as you guys all know, and stuff like that.
So I have a bad lower back, right?
So it gets stiff a lot, whatever it may be.
So I went to the chiro and I was coming back.
And I ran into Hill Mike and Jack Doherty and all those guys.
And they were doing an IRL stream.
I literally ran into them.
And they were asking me, hey, what do you think about this?
And they showed me the video.
I was like, what the fuck?
It literally had just happened.
Were you saw it live on your stream?
No.
Yeah, I saw, yeah.
What the fuck?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's so random.
I was like, what the hell?
So, hey, bro.
It's weird because there's so many streamers that live here in Miami, right, between, you know, us, Sneeko.
You guys are always here.
Sterling comes back and forth.
You got...
Aiden lives here.
Like, so many guys are here.
And it's just like, bruh, you know, Zerka's here.
It's ridiculous that, like, we're fighting each other, bro.
Like, I get it.
Like, there's some YouTubers that don't get along and everything else like that.
And I do think that, you know, there's times where it comes to fists.
But, like, bro, put some gloves on.
Do it in a boxing ring.
Get paid for it.
Do it for charity or something like that.
Like, if y'all want to fight, like, do it in a boxing ring.
Here's the other thing, too, bro.
And I know this from my prior, you know, background.
You guys are foreign nationals, bro.
You guys can't be fighting on camera with a bunch of people and this shit's going viral right now, bro.
Y'all can't be fighting as foreign nationals in the United States in a street fight, dude.
The other difference is all of us are over the age of 30.
I think that's the difference.
And we're coming from the Red Pill content creator community.
We're not video game streamers that came into this space.
They're coming from a different place into this space.
We know each other because we read a lot of books.
They know each other because they play video games.
And from what I understand, I know that they're both...
I don't know HS's nationality, but I'm going to assume he's British, obviously.
He owns a British passport.
I don't know if he's American too, but I know Zerk is Canadian and he's British.
Like, bro, you guys both are probably here on visa waivers, or if you are here on a visa, because you don't need a visa to come into the United States from those countries, visa waiver countries.
And now y'all are viral for a fistfight in downtown Miami.
I just hope nothing happens to them with ICE or anything like that, because what could potentially happen is they get arrested by Miami PD, right?
There's a warrant drafted, they go ahead, they get arrested, and then bam, as soon as they get arrested, ICE could be waiting for them once they get out on fire.
Would one of them have to report that for it to happen, or could it just happen organically?
Would Tiki Toki have to report it, like, he assaulted me, or could it just happen organically?
I mean, he could make a case that it was self-defense.
Right?
And Florida's a stay on your ground state, which you don't have a duty to retreat.
Right.
But regardless, you know, you shouldn't be getting in fights as a foreign national.
I think your question is, they're in a public place starting a fight.
Is that a crime in and of itself if no one presses charges and enters?
Yes.
It's still a crime.
That's what I was asking.
Yeah.
Wow.
Fresh, what I want to know is, is Zerk his career over after this?
I'm not gonna lie, man.
Bro, after all the shit-talking, that was an L. But at the same time, like, you know, Zerk was with us when he came here from the beginning, so I'm not gonna say anything bad about him, but bro, that was wild because all the shit-talking he did, and for that to happen, it's kind of fucked up, man.
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's another lesson, right?
I met both the guys.
I met HS the night before with Aiden and them.
He's not a bad dude.
He's a streamer.
You know, he's young, doing his thing.
He's trying to make some moves and some views.
I get it.
And I know him after that.
I was like, you know what?
Come on the show.
We'll talk about issues, whatever, on camera.
But, I mean, it's wild, bro.
Yeah, I mean, obviously, Zerk is a friend, so I'm not going to say anything negative about him.
And I hope he's alright and nothing is going on.
It's just my thing is I'm looking forward.
Like, bro, why are y'all fighting?
I wish I had got...
Bro, if I was there, I would have stopped that shit immediately.
I would have been like, you guys are not fucking fighting.
Like, what the fuck are you idiots doing?
You both are here.
Like, you're not Americans.
Especially on camera.
You can't do this shit.
Especially on camera, too.
And you guys are famous.
Yeah.
Like, bro, because here's the thing.
Like, police departments are shit.
I want to make this very clear to everyone.
If you commit a crime, and it's a stupid crime, and you're a nobody, they might not prosecute you.
They might decline prosecution.
Because at the end of the day, the prosecutors always have the leeway to choose to prosecute a case or not.
Even if the police arrest them, They have the discretion, exactly.
They have prosecutorial discretion.
But if you're famous, and it's a bullshit charge, sometimes just to make a name for themselves, sometimes just to bring more notoriety to the district attorney's office, whatever it may be, they will prosecute for some bullshit.
Think of Martha Stewart or Mark Cuban with the SEC. Martha Stewart got arrested, guys.
If you look at the charge, 18 U.S.C. 1001.
False statements, okay?
That is a bullshit charge.
They almost never charge that.
But, Martha Stewart, you're famous, you lied to federal agents, we're gonna hit you 1,001.
Damn.
So, these guys, internationally famous, the stream hit tens of thousands, and it's all over the internet right now?
It's like, bro, if Zirka or HS are watching this, You need to call an immigration attorney right now.
That's what you need to do.
By the way, we're saying this because we like you guys, not because we don't like you guys.
And a criminal attorney.
A criminal attorney and you need to talk to an immigration attorney.
I know a good immigration attorney.
That's how you bring the girls over for the orgy.
Send them back to Estonia.
And I'm going to say this, too.
I'm going to say this, too, again.
I've arrested a lot of immigration attorneys.
You've arrested a lot of immigration attorneys?
Yeah, a lot of them are scammers.
I've arrested immigration attorneys before, and a lot of them are scammers and liars, and they run Ponzi schemes, marriage fraud schemes, everything else like that.
So I've arrested a bunch of them before, so you have to make sure that you vet your immigration attorney, too.
We're cool with Zerka.
I never met HS in person, so I don't know him, but Fresh obviously said good things.
I don't have a problem with him either.
I just hope nothing negative happens to them where they're removed from the country or deported or some shit like that and they can't come back.
Because that's a problem, bro.
Was this a result of escalating shit online?
Because I know Aiden Ross dropped something saying he was going to pay $200,000 if these guys threw down or some shit like that.
$100,000 if they had a street fight right now.
That's what he said.
That's what he said.
Two nights ago or three nights ago.
Look, look, look.
See, that's escalation.
They both talk shit online, right?
They both did.
Bro, that was two blocks from my house, bro.
Yeah, literally.
Down the street.
And then we saw the downstairs.
We saw the downstairs.
But my thing is like, okay, do it officially where there's a boxing ring.
That way you don't get in trouble.
It's fair.
And it's not like...
I'm telling you, we've got to open it in Vegas, man.
You sign a release, then you make some money.
That's the way to do it.
Man, it's like...
And I just miss them, too.
I literally just missed them because when Neil, Mike and all of them were walking by, they were filming the whole fucking thing.
So maybe 20-30 minutes, bro.
Because I have to walk that way to get to Cairo.
Isn't it crazy?
Miami was safe, man.
Nowadays, I don't know.
Miami was safe, bro.
Miami used to be safe.
It used to not be like Vice City.
I'm telling you, man.
Yo, bro, if I saw that dumb shit, I would have literally got in the middle and said, yo, you fucking idiots are not fighting.
You are not fighting.
Because I know what the fuck can happen from there.
We need a venue for that shit in Vegas, and then the first fight could be like Myron and Abba.
The first celebrity, it should be a charity boxing thing.
Yeah, for sure.
Abba and Myron, the famous card, and an arrest.
Even him, bro, even him.
I wouldn't even wish deportation on my worst enemy.
I wouldn't wish that, even him.
I'd be like, alright, let's put the gloves on, sign a waiver, so I can do this shit, you know.
Official dishal so there's no fucking arrest going to be made, whatever it may be.
And do it that way, you know what I mean?
Because, bro, once you get deported, you can't come back, pretty much.
Damn.
You become what's called EXC excluded.
Very difficult to be able to come back.
This is similar to, like, dueling back in the day.
You don't know, but that used to be legal, right?
Getting ejected from the country.
There's a famous U.S. president who, like, shot a bunch of people in a duel.
We used to settle this shit.
Yeah.
As gentlemen, in the morning, pistols at dawn, swords at dawn.
I believe it was the island of Poughkeepsie, something like that.
Aaron Burr shot Alexander Hamilton while he was the sitting vice president of the United States.
Then there was a federal arrest warrant for him afterwards.
He went back to Washington to see, sat as the president of the Senate, even while there was an arrest warrant for him.
It was totally illegal for him to do it, but nobody prosecuted him.
There's a president that used to literally get in duels all the time with guns.
Is it something...
Samuel Jack?
Andrew Jackson?
Andrew Jackson.
Maybe Andrew Jackson.
I think he killed like two or three people.
Yeah, that's the guy I'm talking about.
But back then he could do it.
Yeah, but he was a president.
Yeah.
And he flexed about it.
He's like, you're gonna come at me?
Oh, really?
What's the body count?
Yeah, your odd wife is a hoe.
Something like that.
It was because he assaulted his wife.
And they went in the door.
I'm gonna look this shit up real quick.
Aaron Burr said something to Alexander Hamilton and then caused him to do it.
And he shot him in the hip and he ended up bleeding out like a day later.
But it was an accident.
Like, he didn't mean to shoot him.
Like, it was one of these things where they both deliberately missed, which is something that also...
Wait, Daniel died?
Huh?
Alexander Hamilton died by getting shot by the sitting Vice President of the United States.
Yes.
That's what happened.
Well, like, I mean, what was it?
In, like, Renaissance Europe and, like, even after that, it's like they outlawed dueling because so many guys were, like, there's so much of such a mortality rate that the guys were killing them.
It was outlawed when Andrew Jackson and when Aaron Burr did it.
It was still against the law.
But I think, okay, here's my solution.
Bring it back, but make it fisticuffs.
Yeah, for sure.
Make it a fist fight, fussy fight.
First blow.
No, because all this shit, you can sort it out easily.
He was the seventh president of the United States.
Seventh president, Andrew Jackson.
Told you.
Yeah, he killed Hamilton.
Dueled him, and then he died literally the next day.
It was because of his wife.
He made an insult on his wife.
Yeah.
Fair play.
I don't have fun with that.
But yeah, that's how it's got.
We've got to bring it back, man.
I mean, like I said, I'm all for beating up people that talk shit about you.
You've got to do it the right way, bro.
So the Chats are piling up here.
I want to see what they've got to say.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They've been piling up since 6 o'clock.
How about this fight, man?
Yeah, bro.
Oh, man.
But hold on, real quick.
Because I'm not going to answer this question, but for you guys, is Zirka's career over?
No, he's really talented.
Dude, Zerka's talented, bro.
Off the cuff, he's one of the funniest dudes I have ever on and off camera.
And obviously he's a little different off camera than he is on, but he's just really fucking talented and you just wish that he'd just get it all together and he would just be a really great contributor in this space.
I don't give a fuck about him fighting.
That's really not important.
If his career is over, it's because of him himself.
He's his own worst enemy kind of thing.
It's, again, too much, too young, too fast.
Remember I was telling you about that way back in the day?
Yeah, you did.
When you go from having nothing to having millions of dollars, if you've got a problem before, now you're a $10 million guy with those same problems.
Now you've only escalated them and brought them up.
Again, like Mike always says, nobody cares.
No one's gonna care.
People are making TikToks with O.J. Simpson right now.
Nobody cares.
A dude transitions to become a woman, kills someone in a car accident, and is named Woman of the Year four months later.
No one gives a shit about anything.
You go to jail for 15 months for securities fraud, and they make a movie about you called The Wolf of Wall Street, and you're one of those famous people in the world.
In the movie, you punch your wife in the stomach and kidnap your own kid, and now you're like the most famous sales trainer in the world.
Nobody pays for shit.
There's no consequences for anything anymore.
That's true.
And not only that, but the way O.J. killed his wife and that other dude.
Bro.
Solve the mystery in my head.
No, no, no.
The way he killed him, it was wild.
Bro, she was almost decapitated.
If you see the crime scene photos, it's fucking bad, bro.
If you see these photos of O.J. Simpson.
Some of the most violent shit I've seen.
If you see these photos of O.J. Simpson at the club called Jing in Las Vegas.
You see him with the girls that are there.
They look exactly like Nicole McPherson!
Why do these goats have to take pictures?
Hold on, all the time.
You're talking about baristophilia.
You were saying that before?
I go out and I bump into OJ all the time in Las Vegas.
He knows several friends of my friends.
And whenever I bump into him, it's just blonde-headed white women surrounding him.
And by the way, I walk up to him just one time.
I know a friend of mine, she has a PhD.
She has a doctorate in pharmacology.
And I walk up to her and I was like, hey, do you want to go meet the Juice?
It was totally a joke.
And she was 100% about it and took a picture with him.
And it's just one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
Like, you just wonder about it, but it is a real thing.
Clout is everything.
It is a real thing, bro.
But, Myron, you spoke about it before, where, like, all these serial killers, girls will run up to their, like, herrings and always, like, yeah.
It's crazy, dude.
The biggest ones are Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, The Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez.
Girls were literally lining up to watch their trials.
It was fucking wild, dude.
Richard Ramirez was some of the craziest stuff I've ever seen.
That doesn't mean to become a murderer for girls.
Female-only phenomenon, too.
Men don't react that way.
What are your thoughts on this?
I mean, I don't know Zerka personally.
I've just seen some of his stuff on, you know, Twitter and a bit of, you know, your show on YouTube and stuff.
And I'm like, the guy's funny.
I'll give him that.
The guy's funny.
But I just wish he would back off on like the...
He's obviously funny and intelligent.
And I think he would do just as well if he just didn't start beef with everyone.
It seems like he's...
Honing in on just like the clout-chasing aspect of starting people like Andrew, like, you know, Tristan and Dan.
Wouldn't he start to meet with Aiden Ross today?
And it's like Aiden puts you on this whole thing in the first place.
You know what I'm saying?
It's crazy.
He's intelligent.
He seems intelligent enough to me to be able to do this without that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He doesn't need to do it.
He is a smart guy.
I mean, I know you guys see one side of him on the internet and stuff like that, but he's actually a smart guy.
Let's see here.
What do we got?
He'll be fine.
He'll be fine.
We got a...
Okay.
Okay.
R.I.P. Zerka, career he pulled to HS Tiki Taki to fight, but he got dropped.
I don't think his career is killed.
He'll be fine.
Like I said before, hey, if anything, it'll probably maybe get him in the gym and training and going super hard.
I'll tell you this, views are going up, though.
Yeah, they're going to go up.
I've got to talk to John Fitch about this.
I can recommend a good boxing gym in Miami, too.
Boxer!
Exactly.
Somebody called Chris lazy today.
He almost replied For all you guys that hate Chris I hope y'all already go Go ahead and get your cameras ready and get ready to clip all this stuff.
Chris is so good at sleeping, he can do it with his eyes closed.
If laziness were an Olympic sport, Chris would come in fourth to avoid stepping up on the podium.
And then he goes again, Chris' biggest fear about becoming a zombie is all the walking he'd have to do.
But I will say this, he's definitely, the fat comments are getting to him because he's in the gym training.
He's boxing now!
He's that nigga boxing.
Hey man, yo, keep fat shaming him, man.
I'm gonna keep fat shaming him too, but you guys keep fat shaming him as well.
Y'all got my full permission.
Because I'd be mean as fuck to him on the side.
Yeah, he does.
I'd be fine as fuck as shit.
He does.
Don't worry, guys.
He was to me too earlier.
Yeah.
That 100 pounds, and that's from Ali.
Thank you to the FNF team.
It's changed my life.
Please check my email slash DMs.
I'm Palestinian American attorney and young man chasing a dream requesting only that you read my DM slash email.
Thank you.
All right.
Which email did you send it to then?
Shout out to my Palestinians, man.
New to your great community.
Love the content.
I'd like to ask if you have a where to start link.
You have a lot of content, and I wanted to know where is the best to start, especially the non-after-hour stuff like Money Monday Red Pill and Fitness.
There's playlists you can follow on the actual channel.
Let's go to a playlist and they're all there.
There's a Rolo Tomasi playlist, in fact.
Literally, yeah.
We have a Red Pill 101, all our shows with Rolo, where we go over basics and stuff like that.
And then, obviously, if you search fitness, I have a whole fitness 101 on how to lose weight, how to build muscle mass.
I did full-on PowerPoint explanations on there, man, with studies and everything in the description.
So, guys, go check it out.
Tax God goes, I have been a longtime fan.
Just want to say shout out to Myron for being the most loyal and realist dude in the Red Pill Space.
Keep up the amazing work.
Hey, bro, like I told y'all before, man, it's no mistake that we have these three individuals here because when I was a fucking nobody, they took a chance on me.
So now that we're up, they're going to come up with us, man.
You're still an honorary member of Rule Zero, too, by the way.
Oh, I appreciate that, man.
I would come on more, but we know why.
We know why.
It's 9 o'clock in the fucking morning.
I'm like, I haven't even kicked the second girl out.
It's 9 o'clock in the morning.
Time zone, too.
That's why.
But yeah, man.
Shout out to all the Real Zero guys, man.
You don't forget where you come from and you always bring the people up with you.
Fresh, why are you hanging out with someone who asked the stream if he should press you on camera and talk bad about Myron like every stream?
He was talking bad about Myron five minutes before you dabbed him up earlier.
L Fresh, W Myron, King Red Pill.
Did he really talk smack?
Hold on.
This is funny because you have to understand there's a game being played here.
And I'm not dumb, bro.
So, just to be real, I'm on his stream, right?
This is his views.
No, no, no.
Come on our stream.
Say it to our face.
Who are they talking about here?
HS here.
So that's why I said, you know what?
I'm going to play it cool.
And you know what?
We're cool right now.
Come on stream.
We'll talk about it.
That was my whole idea.
It wouldn't be a long walk for either one of them.
I don't know, but before it was cool until the whole circuit thing happened.
I don't know, but we'll see.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm not aware of what you guys were talking about.
I didn't see nothing.
He mentioned that you didn't want to bring him on stream, and he was like, oh, I don't know what's going on, maybe they're salty or whatever, but I said, yo, come on stream and say it.
Why would we be salty?
Dude, we don't know who he is.
So he's like, yo, I meet you.
Alright, you're cool.
Yeah.
We'll talk about it.
But like, bro, we don't know who you are from Cat of Pink.
Like, we saw some clips from you and Neon, but like, that's about it.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Alright, well.
And the 80 and the sequel say you bring him on.
So, okay, cool.
All right, okay, they go signed it.
Yeah, okay Six I'm 25 an army sergeant e5 with two jobs in Ohio making 65k a year.
It is enough shit my bed Where we at here bro show me on the on the Is it enough to live comfortable here with my girl 22 who is also a mother of my two kids once I working for a better life?
Style make me quit my second job to take care of the kids etc Let's see here.
I don't think so I think you might have a problem.
25 is an E5. But he's in Ohio.
I don't know where in Ohio it is, but $65,000 a year for the four of you, that might be a little rough.
That's below the average.
So the average household income is $70,000 a year.
You're in Ohio.
And the thing is, you're in E5, which is good, but a lot of guys will go 20 years and they won't make E8 or E9. But there is a lower cost of living in Ohio.
Yeah, for sure.
But what I would say is this.
I would definitely fill out an outside employment paperwork and try to get another job.
Because, I mean, for a full-on family, 65K a year, bro, and you want her to stay home, you're going to need to make a little bit more.
I didn't see you.
To be comfortable.
Are you active duty?
Hold on.
If he's making 65K, he's got to be.
He's two jobs.
He can't be active duty.
Yeah.
And make me quit my second job to take care of the kids.
Wait, you're making $65,000 with both your jobs?
With two jobs, yeah.
That doesn't make sense.
Give us a little bit more information.
I'm trying to figure this out.
You should make $65,000.
Is that your military salary only?
Because the E5 $65,000 sounds about right.
Yeah, I'm looking up right now.
That sounds about right.
He's not putting in his second job money.
Bro, you've got to give us your total gross.
Okay, the optimistic pessimist.
F the Roller haters.
I love seeing him on the show.
He's like yin and Myron is yang, opposite in tone of speaking, but with the same message, Roller catches women off guard by being comforting and speaking with warmth while hitting them with the RP. That's true.
That's true.
And honestly, bro, any of you guys that might get mad or be like, oh, you guys bring the same guests here.
Same guests?
That's only the second time this year I've been here.
You know what I mean?
It's like, bro, honestly, dude, fuck you guys.
I'm going to continue to bring the guys on that we came up with, and they're going to continue to grow alongside us.
If you don't fucking like that shit, then fuck off, dude.
I feel bad.
My goal here isn't to just sit here and be like, oh yeah, I'm just going to chase clout the whole time.
I'm going to chase clout, man.
At some level, there's got to be some level of integrity and putting on the people that put you on in the first place that were with you before you were fucking somebody, bro.
Like, what the fuck is wrong with people, man?
And then, again, at the very beginning, we were nobodies coming up in this space.
You took a chance on us.
Sure.
Like, why are they turning back on you now?
Makes no sense.
Shit, what was that?
That was like the second interview you guys?
It was me and Hotel Jesus, I think.
You did multiple podcasts with us.
Multiple.
I was here for like seven months straight in like 2021 and 2022.
That's why I feel bad.
This is only my second or third time here in Miami this year.
You're working, man.
Well, you know, we're putting together Access Vegas.
There you go.
The hottest bimbos, apparently.
Yes.
Okay, Son of Dennis goes.
And guys, from this point forward, we're going to go 50 and up, because we definitely want to talk about some things.
Unless they're talking about Chris, right?
If y'all make up one of Chris...
Then you can do $2.
We'll do $10.
If y'all make fun of Chris, then we'll go 30.
Chris is cool, man.
If y'all make funny jokes on Chris, then we'll go 30.
Chris is a good producer.
Great to see the guys all together, MOA. Shout out to Robert Rodriguez.
I see that.
We got here, Jovan.
These chats came from before, right?
Yes.
Jovan, thank you guys so much.
We really appreciate it, man.
Thank you, Robert.
I want to thank you guys for that interview podcast.
I just had an interview yesterday and got a new job.
Soon, I'm going to be making $75,000 to $95,000 a year.
Depending on my performance, I make $20,000 to $25,000 a year.
So sincerely, thank you guys.
Bro!
See?
I watched that entire show, too.
There it is.
That's the value, man.
That's terrific.
Real life skills you need to learn.
To be successful in life.
Yo, that literally just made my day, bro.
Money Mondays, man.
We did a Money Monday teaching guys how to properly set up their resume and everything else like that and how to set up for an interview and the guy fucking got a job taking those tips.
That's what it's about.
And on top of that, he's about to make damn near $100,000 a year.
Bro, fuck yeah, man.
Saving lives, man.
Yo.
Goddamn.
Alright.
Doesn't that feel good?
That's why we do this shit, man.
Yo, that's fucking awesome, man.
When you guys send in your wins like that, you guys don't get it, man.
It's fucking awesome.
It reminds me why the fuck we do this shit in the first place.
Give y'all this thing.
Show me what you built.
It's tough sometimes, right?
You do the Money Monday shows and you do certain shows that might not be as exciting for people.
Views aren't as high.
They don't appreciate it.
Not as many people watching or not as much engagement.
But when you guys go out and send stuff like that, it's like, fuck yeah.
Because I tell you all the time, guys, we want to make the content to help you guys out.
If we were just here strictly for the money and the views, we would never do Money Monday.
We wouldn't do certain RP episodes unless it was trending, right?
We would just be focusing on being as profitable as possible, but that's not the goal.
The goal is to really help y'all become better men, and you guys become profitable.
I was sitting downstairs with...
We were waiting on that girl that was late to the show on Wednesday, and I'm sitting downstairs with Icy, and we're in the lobby of your new place here.
And I'm going through my DMs and everything.
Fuck Rolo, he's old, blah, blah, blah, all this bullshit and all this negative shit to me.
And I'm sitting there with Icy.
They're DMing you?
Well, they come in my comments and shit like that.
And I'm sitting there with Icy, and this dude just...
This is the first time I've ever been in the building before.
I'm sitting on that couch that I was down there, that's down in the lobby.
Dude comes up to me and says, I just want to see you save my life, man.
Thank you very much.
And I was like...
It's so weird.
You go from these highs to these lows, and it's like, that's why I do what I do.
That overrides all the fucking hate.
I had no idea who this guy was.
It just comes up to me out of nowhere.
That's awesome, man.
You really can't put a price on that shit, man.
You really can't.
No amount of views, no virality, whatever it is.
Get comments like that, bro.
That means a lot.
Dom goes, Zerka even swatted not 48 hours ago because he was screaming like a lunatic in the middle of the street for 20 minutes trying to fight HS' massive L. Oh, man.
I didn't know that.
Berserk goes, There are several books written by former CIA and FBI agents purporting that their book teaches some of the same skills as they would as active operatives to read people's body language to quickly build rapport and get people to like them.
Would these be good books to build a foundation of social skills upon plus experience?
Specifically speaking, social skills, not game.
Yes, it would.
Yes, it would.
Here's the thing.
And I didn't realize this until I started meeting some of you guys in person that come up to me and say what's up or whatever.
A lot of guys have strange body language mannerisms.
I mean, you could speak about that as well, Mike, and I'll turn it to you here in a second to talk about that.
A lot of guys lack social calibration through their body language, and they come off as extremely weird, shy, timid, awkward.
And the problem is this.
Me meeting you as a guy, I understand it.
I've been there.
I'm not gonna fucking look at you differently for it and be like, oh, this guy's a fucking weird, blah, blah, blah.
I understand that certain guys, especially guys that are brilliant, tend to have these weird tics.
I get it, right?
But women are not gonna give you the same benefit that Myron Gaines is, okay?
They're gonna look at that and be like, oh, what the fuck?
This nigga's a serial killer.
I'll turn it to you guys.
And their sensitivity to it is way higher than yours, too.
Yes, yes.
I might catch it in three, four seconds talking to you.
They'll catch it within one second.
It's the ick, right?
So for us, one of the things we do that's a little different, we do a Monday show, Rollo comes on sometimes, and we have the guys, instead of doing super chats, they have to come on camera.
And we'll stop the whole show and be like, bro, because they're shaking the camera.
And when we talk about interviews, I teach guys how to do interviews as well.
A lot of these interviews are done over Zoom.
And I'm like, you're going to face the light, okay?
This camera's going to be still.
I want you to maintain eye contact with the camera.
I want to be able to hear spaces in between the words that you say.
Watching yourself on camera, I know it comes off as a little vain, but you'd be shocked how many times there's these weird tics that you have that you don't notice.
You're thinking about something and you squint your eyes like this and it's just these things that like really don't make it seem like you're in control.
Like what he said, I have so many clients that I'm used to seeing men like this, and so I'm gonna give you a break.
But in this instance, this is such a great, being able to watch yourself on camera and critique yourself and then consistently get better, you two do it, whether or not you know you do it, you watch yourself on stream all the time.
I did it to like you know in the beginning a lot to like make sure like oh, okay, this is weird I should stop doing that blah blah blah like I caught bad habits very quickly You know, but some of you guys might not have that benefit to watch yourself back So it's definitely that's a fantastic way to do it.
Yeah, so we do we'll do streams or some of my clients will actually start do stream like with each other They'll just have in like groups and they'll almost like Toastmasters It's one of these things where like actually being able to talk well on camera is a great way, a cheat code to be.
It's almost like the current Toastmasters to be able to do it now.
And it's just so incredibly important to do that.
A lot of like the head moving and like the voice breaks upward so like the tonality breaks upward where you sound like you're seeking rapport instead of breaking rapport.
Those kind of things you can learn over time.
The verbal pauses, the um, the ah, the you know what I mean, you know what I'm saying, like that kind of stuff.
If you can get away from that and then speak and then have the direct pauses in between your words, you'll notice that people are more likely to listen to you.
It's true.
Yeah, I had a bad habit of saying, you know what I'm saying, a lot.
That was one of the first things.
If you guys watched the old videos, that was one thing that I got rid of immediately.
I was like, whoa, this is fucking stupid.
Mine was, for example, it said a lot.
That being said, for example, what else?
One other thing that's really big, do you remember the Joe Rogan thing where he actually, they were talking to a mugger, a guy who had been convicted of mugging, and they showed him photographs of individuals, and like, which one would you mug and which one would you not mug?
And it was one of these things where, like, the knees were locked out, the feet were pointed like this, and sort of like the wobbly duck walk that you find with a lot of people.
When guys see that, they realize, this person can't chase me if I steal something from them.
And it's really interesting, as men, you're constantly being judged on, like, your upper and lower body athleticism.
And this is something that, like, women don't necessarily...
If women are clumsy and they're hot, we don't really care.
But when men are like that, you're always being judged on the way you walk.
Does it look athletic?
When you talk, does your voice break when you're around someone you think is higher status?
Does it go up like this?
When you talk to women, does it go up like this?
When you're trying to seek rapport from them?
Or when you talk to the most beautiful woman you've ever seen or your brother, does your voice sound exactly the same?
If it does, that means you're not affected by it, which is an attribute of a high-status person.
I mean, even in the bedroom, you need that dominant talk as well, right, Sterling?
What are you talking about?
The radio voice?
Yeah, you need that smooth voice, Matt.
I need your porn star music to go behind all this.
Do you ever give a porn?
No, he doesn't.
I do, actually.
I gotta send it to Mo.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
ASMR time.
I have a bunch of random sound effects.
But I will say this.
I think one of the most underrated things that guys should master is tonality.
Yes.
One of the biggest things I tell guys all the time, especially on consults, and I'm able to detect it immediately from the way that they speak to me.
I'm like, you speak in the passive voice, you need to stop doing it.
You need to start speaking more in the active voice.
You need to start almost, especially when you talk to women.
Women respond very favorably to this.
You need to tell them versus asking them.
Yes.
You need to speak from a more authority standpoint where it's like, alright, we're going to do this.
Let's do this, blah, blah, blah.
Versus trying to get her permission or what she thinks or whatever.
And the reality is most girls, if you say it in a convincing manner, they're going to follow along even if they might not necessarily agree with It's amazing when you just sound like you know what you're doing, how they just follow along.
Questions put it in her frame.
I recommend Way of the Wolf by Jordan Belfort.
Chapter 7 goes over these 10 tonalities that he uses.
One of them is called Absolute Certainty.
That is the one salespeople use and the one often you can use with women.
I mean, if you ask girls what they're doing right now, they say, oh, I'm just going with the flow.
So if you can lead the flow, you win.
They prefer to go with the flow.
But yeah, guys, I mean, the tonality, that's a big one.
You know, Mystery talked about this.
I talked to Mystery yesterday.
Oh, really?
I talked to Eric yesterday.
Is he kind of quirky, too?
He's quirky, but the thing is, Mystery, is he could memorize these stacks of routines, and he could do them flawlessly like an actor.
It was so crazy to watch him do it, and it worked really well.
Social media made it a little difficult to do what he was doing back there in the early aughts, but it was really crazy to watch.
I've seen a lot of PUAs.
Most of them are not nearly as good as they say they are.
He definitely was.
Good.
Yeah.
And for the audience, real quick, because that's a PUA term, stacking routines, etc.
Guys, a stacking routine is nothing more than having an opener and a story.
A lot of times it's a demonstration of a higher value story, a DHV story.
He's able to tell these stories in a way that displays higher value.
So we know that women like confidence, ambition, protector of loved ones.
Being funny, all these different leader men.
Willingness to walk away, willingness to emote, and I forgot what the last one was.
He had these five attraction triggers.
Those are the first ones, but then we got into pre-selection.
But the story he tells always subtly demonstrates each of these traits.
I'm glad you brought that up because storytelling is a skill.
Yes.
He's able to tell the story in a way to keep the women engaged.
There's a cliffhanger in it, etc.
And like you said before, Back in the early 2000s, it was fantastic because this was an underground niche thing.
There was no social media.
If you didn't read the books, you didn't know what the fuck they were talking about.
So nowadays, and I think they kind of hurt themselves doing this.
The show, The Pickup Artist, even though it exploded with popularity and helping guys find this stuff, myself included, it also hurt because now women became privy to this underground community.
Cosmo, who won the first season of The Pickup Artist, he just called me last night, too.
He's here teaching a boot camp.
Wow.
You know, it's funny.
I had a friend in Barbados, right?
Really good with a ladies player.
But he would tell stories to girls.
And I'm like, bro, I know you.
That's a fucking lie.
But it worked because he's telling them a story.
Yeah, they're entertained.
They're locked in.
But he's like, oh my god, this is amazing.
That happened forever.
I'm like, this nigga lying his ass off, but it's working.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What the fuck's going on?
Yeah, yeah.
And the key is, and here's, it's a very delicate balance, guys.
You know, going in there and be like, yeah, so I was in my Lamborghini and then I went ahead to a fucking Gucci store.
That's not how you do it.
It's got to be a very, it's got to be a very, um...
Subtle float.
Sotoflex.
Sotoflex, where you're kind of flexing a little bit, but it's like almost, the story is too good for her to notice that shit.
It's not a brag.
It's an actual story that's going somewhere to show that you're a man.
You're an actual leader.
And so many guys fuck that up because they tell stories and they're so focused on like, Yes.
skill set man to be able to tell a story and be able to DHV while doing the story and keeping the girl engaged.
And the thing with Mystery that I'll give him credit for is he would do this shit with like five, seven girls around him.
Yes.
And he would do that.
He'd open up a set.
He'd tell this story, etc.
He'd be, you know, and once you get really advanced, you're able to do this shit.
He'd net girls that he liked, and then while simultaneously building a rapport with annoying friends and slash cock blocks.
And, you know, it was a very...
That's why Pick Up is so great, because it teaches you so many different things about human psychology.
And it also just makes you a better communicator, better orator, better storyteller.
It just makes you a more sharp individual socially regardless because if you're able to sit there and deal with seven fucking bimbos, right, and be able to keep them all entertained, etc.
Women.
Bimbos.
What ends up happening is, now, you go to a boardroom meeting, fucking easy mode.
Oh, I need to get funding.
I remember when I would do my presentations for my cases, right?
I won't go into the weeds and put people to sleep, but I would go a lot of the times because...
Complex investigations are very expensive.
You need funding.
So I would go ahead to the Department of Justice and present my case.
Hey, I need to make this case an OSF case, Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force, because XYZ. And I'd go through each bullet point as to the importance of each target, what they're doing, the type of crimes they're committing.
What they're capable of.
This is drug trafficking.
The amount of drugs that they're moving per week, etc.
And you have to do it in a convincing manner.
You've got to speak in an active voice.
It's not like, I think he's doing this.
It's estimated that XYZ is moving this many kilograms and we know this through XYZ source, blah, blah, blah, etc.
I just debriefed them two days ago so the information is recent.
I need this funding, blah, blah, blah.
And Bam!
From that skill set of talking to girls and opening a set and not being nervous, I was easily able to go in there and talk to 50 agents that are in there, higher ups, by the way, because I'm trying to get funding from FBI, DEA, etc., because it's a whole government thing, OCDF. You guys can look it up, OCDF program.
And you're getting this funding from DOJ, so you need to be able to speak in a convincing manner and know what the fuck you're talking about.
And then on top of that, you need to be able to answer their questions.
Oh, well, explain to me, blah, blah, blah, about the target.
Oh, yeah, we know this XYZ. So it made it easier.
It's funny.
Pickup made it easier for me to speak with high-ranking officials in the U.S. government.
People get a really bad impression of Pickup nowadays.
Like the era you're talking about.
Now people, for some reason, have this misconception that it was all about, like, oh, neg this, neg that.
And it's because of the...
Rote memorization.
I think one of the issues...
The MTV shows, the reality shows, all that, they gloss over all the stuff you just talked about.
Where it's like, it's taking a dude who's literally autistic.
Literally, I've seen it with my own eyes.
Like, he's super autistic.
And now he's actually a regular, normal guy.
And the only way to get a guy to that point is to kind of baby-step him through a normal social interaction and teach him all these little micro-expressions and micro-adjustments in his body language and reading body language and repetition again and again.
Most socially awkward people, they did what you did.
You take your guys out to Vegas to talk to girls in person.
Immersion.
It's immersion because it's harder.
The reason why we do what we do in my program is because it's more stimulates.
If you can bench press 300 pounds, you can bench press 200 pounds.
So when you do the meetup for all the real estate agents in your city, you just dealt with a bunch of girls.
It's so much fucking easier to deal with this.
To your point about the pickup artist, one of the issues was when a lot of the guys, they had approach anxiety.
And so what they did was they refused rejection instead of accepting rejection.
And this is where guys got very weird and sort of freaking girls out.
And that's where it got a lot of, like if you'll see in Canada, they'll literally have signs inside of malls.
They'll do this.
We'll basically say, no pickup allowed here.
We'll arrest you or we'll kick you off the property.
What happened was these guys- There's one mall in Toronto that's big for us.
Yeah, for sure.
So what happens is when you get a rejection from a girl or a girl gives you feedback, you can't reframe everything.
Sometimes you did do something wrong and you need to learn from what you're doing.
And a lot of pickup guys didn't do that.
They just basically said, everything she said is wrong.
And you'd see guys laying out in the middle of the street or going 60 days without taking a shower or just really weird stuff like that.
And they did so because they wanted to prove that they would just not accept rejection.
Rejection, though, is there for a reason.
It's feedback.
Yeah.
Not having an emotional reaction to rejection is fine, but you need to take it as feedback.
And that split that happened, and a lot of guys who have autism, they weren't able to see that difference.
That's where the problem started becoming.
So you'd have 15% of guys who would have outrageous success from it, but a good number of guys just didn't know how to do that.
They either wouldn't take action, or they did not have the ability to see the nuance in what they were doing.
And so every rejection was like, reframe, reframe, pimp game, reframe.
Calibrate.
She doesn't like me because she wants my dick.
Everything was a reframe.
And it's like, no, no, except your breath actually does stink.
You need to take the feedback.
And because they didn't do it, that was one of the problems.
That's why there was a point where I was still hanging out with Mystery and Neil Strauss and those guys.
But then I started to hang out with these club promoters who would just run through 70, 80 girls.
And I was like, okay, what's different here?
And then I started noticing that they would take the feedback.
And it was just like, the main thing I noticed is they could be around a lot of women without acting feminine.
They were still the leader, and that was the main thing that I saw that they did that was really, really great.
Yeah, being a club promoter is like easy mode, because it automatically does...
It's like retard-proof, because what it does is it puts a lot of the things...
It puts you in the driver's seat, and a lot of things that you need to already have makes you a leader of men.
It shows that you're decisive to a degree.
You're bringing in the fun, so they automatically condensate you with fun, which, boom, that's a good thing right there.
Safety, because...
You're able to protect them from weirdos, etc., especially when you display these things actively in the club.
Other women see you and like you because if you're a good promoter, you're typically going to have five to ten girls that are always around you, etc.
So it does a lot of the work for you just from being in that profession.
And there's one other thing.
When you start approaching women, now you don't associate whatever she says with rejection, because you're giving her an offer.
Does that make sense?
The offer is, do you want to come to have fun with us?
Or you don't want to come?
It's not a personal rejection.
And so you'll see guys who are club promoters, they'll do thousands of approaches, and the approach anxiety is completely gone after a while.
Rejection is better than...
The best book I've ever read on this is called Very Important People by Professor Ashley Mears from Boston University.
Her interpretation is incorrect, I think, but her description is the best I've ever seen.
She even talks about Jason Strauss, the owner of Tau Hakkasan Group.
She talks about him.
There's three Harvard case studies on Jason Strauss.
It's really incredible stuff when you see how much money these guys were able to make just understanding the concept of being able to get girls to come to different events.
When I was writing the fifth book, The Player's Handbook, a lot of people kept asking me, like, Rolo, what's the best book to learn game?
I'm like, you don't learn game from a book, man.
So you have to be out there and immerse yourself.
So if you want to learn how to speak Spanish, go live in a Spanish country, and you will learn to speak Spanish at some point.
Out of necessity, right?
Because you're in this emergence situation right there.
But the thing is, I think back in the mid-2000s, when this stuff was coming out, I think a lot of people still look at PUA as mystery with his black fingernail polish and feather boa and everything.
It's ridiculous.
But you're talking about an archetype or, you know, like a guy like Mystery, that's like almost 20 years ago, you know?
And so we're still clinging to that as sort of like something that's ridiculous because we want to poke fun at it.
But what you can't poke fun at right now is the fact that there is this new generation of guys who they'll laugh at that, but they lack the social skills.
And that's really where game is at right now.
And so I made sure that I introduced that in the introduction of the Player's Handbook.
Yeah.
Because game is social skills.
It's a social skill set is what it is.
So it's not even just about so much like talking, you know, obviously guys want to talk to women and be good conversationalists.
But as you were saying before, it teaches you other skills so you can get a job.
So you can like talk to, you know, a police officer.
So you can talk to your family, whatever it is.
Just so that you have those social skills.
And I think that one of the things that's happened really for the Generation Z, the Zoomers, right, is that because they've been acculturated and brought up behind a screen, they don't have that immersion anymore so that they're learning those social skills that you wouldn't necessarily pick up.
From previous generations.
So when he's talking about how people think that it's ridiculous to talk about neg hits or amuse mastery or some of these old school principles, that was one of the motivations and incentives for me to write the fifth book because I wanted to let people know that there's a lot of psychology that's behind all of this.
That seems like, oh, it's ridiculous.
Well, that would never work on me.
No, it would work on you.
And here's why it would work on you, because there's psychological principles that are behind that.
You just don't have those skills.
So when you were talking about how you guys have been on these shows and you're better speakers, you're better able to interact publicly.
I'm a better speaker, a better public speaker today than I was when I was working with Pat Campbell back in 2018.
And he was my mentor, right?
So I learned a lot along the way.
Yeah, rest in peace.
I learned a lot from him.
And so, like, I knew all the red pill stuff.
I had it all down.
How to deliver it and how to be a good conversation, how to tell stories about it.
Because storytelling is a human need.
Like, we need to hear stories from people.
That's how we understand, like, our surroundings.
We pass on information.
We've done it, you know, throughout history.
It's how people were entertained before TV and books.
And it's also how we taught the next generation what we knew from the previous generation as well.
So we would have these, you know, folk tales and everything else.
Or it could be just cave drawings, you know, like here's how we killed the woolly mammoth.
Even in the Bible, there are parables to display certain things you want to learn.
Storytelling is like part of human nature.
And if you are unable to do that or if you're unable to be entertaining, but if you're unable to at least be a good conversationalist, because that's really all social skills you rely on.
Yeah, is really being able to tell stories really well and to tell them accurately, quickly, concisely.
There's a there's a great book.
It's called Storyworthy.
And it's I think it's Matthew Dix is the guy who I got it through Russell Brunson, I think, who suggested this.
I didn't know this, but there's actually storytelling competitions.
Like it's almost like, you know, cowboy poetry, but it's like storytelling jams.
And you have between 8 and 12 minutes to tell a story, and then the audience judges you, and then they have a panel of six judges who will say who's the best storyteller.
And there's a process to it.
It's layered on, like here's what usually works.
It's got to be funny, but if it's funny, it's got to be sad.
And if it's sad, then it's got to be funny kind of thing, so there's this ups and downs that go along with it.
There's almost a science to telling a good story.
Yeah.
And it doesn't necessarily have to be about you personally.
It could be about giving a sales dissertation or something like that.
But you just have to be able to deliver information in an entertaining way that sticks with people.
And it's usually through storytelling.
And not only that, but people...
And I find it so amazing how women will sit there and be like, Oh, you have to read a book on this?
Or you had to take a class on this?
You had to educate yourself.
And it's interesting because...
You don't just get it?
I say it a million times, right?
Privilege is invisible to those that have it.
And the thing is that women don't understand that they have a social gift where they're able to assess value immediately off of the way someone speaks, conveys themselves, etc.
Men have to earn that skill set.
Women are born with it.
But what I will say is this.
Just because women are more social calibrated than men doesn't necessarily mean that they're good conversationalists.
I want to make that very clear too.
There's a lot of bimbos out there that are absolutely stupid and cannot necessarily hold a conversation.
But what I will say is this.
They're very good at assessing your conversational skills.
I want to make that very clear to everybody.
I'm not saying, right...
That girls are good conversationalists.
A lot of them aren't.
A lot of them are fucking dumb.
And they don't have the prerequisite knowledge, et cetera, to actually be able to hold a good conversation.
However, they're very good at assessing your conversational skills and how you can hold their attention, et cetera.
And to be honest with y'all, if you're good at, you'll start to notice this because women are very like-minded.
Once you're able to be attractive and tell good stories to one girl, more than likely other girls are going to find you interesting too.
You know, that's the number one complaint.
I hear from when I'm dating a younger woman, like 18, 19, 20, 22.
The first thing, if I ask them, what's it like dating guys in Miami?
What's it like dating guys in Marbella?
What's it like dating guys in London?
What's it like dating guys your age?
The number one complaint is they can't hold a conversation.
The number one complaint.
But isn't it funny, though?
They're gonna...
Bad hygiene.
Those two right there are the top two.
Bad hygiene.
Bad hygiene and that.
They're very socially aware, right?
But they can't choose the right guy to marry.
Yeah, because they're screening for emotional engagement.
They can read your composition skills, but not your character skills, which is crazy to me.
Yeah.
Well, I go to some self-help conferences.
You know, I'm friends with a lot of these guys, Dan Fleischman or Tai Lopez and a lot of those dudes.
And whenever we hang out, one of the things I notice is just 99% men in there.
And whenever I... Sometimes there'll be a bunch of girls at my apartment, right?
They'll get ready.
We're all going out or whatever.
And I'll listen to them talk and it's very clear to me that they don't believe male self-help improvement.
They're not offended by it.
They don't think it's real.
They literally just care about the finished product.
Like Rich Cooper says, they wait at the finish line and they fuck the winners.
So true.
That's it.
So it's almost like an NFL team, they're paying you for what you're gonna do in the future.
They don't care about all the practice you put in to get where you are.
The first part of that is they don't care about your struggles.
They wait at the finish line.
They don't care about your struggles.
They wait at the finish line.
They fuck the winners.
And so that's what happens, man.
It's like one of these things where you understand all the stuff you had to go through.
Now, like he said before, when they find out, when they see all these self-improvement books, they're like, why did you have to do this?
Don't you just get it?
And the problem is now...
Back in our ancestral past, all the way, just say back in the 1950s, we had a process in this country, or just in world in general, where you had to write a passage as a man, and then that way you would get it.
And that would be like going through Marine Corps boot camp, or it would be like some initiation when you're on the football team and they tape you to the goalpost, or you carry the seniors.
Hazing is good.
Not the pseudo-homosexual shit, but the basic haze.
Making somebody carry water or whatever.
That's normal.
Do push-ups, rookie.
That's what they did to us when we joined the military.
And I understood that.
There was a rite of passage.
As fewer and fewer men go through that, fewer and fewer men will get it.
And then so more of these men are going to require some level of self-help in order for them to get it.
No, women do not give a shit that you don't get it.
And they're not going to help you get it.
They're not going to teach you.
It doesn't make any sense from an evolutionary standpoint from a woman who's a perfect 10 to give you advice on how to fuck a 10.
Because then everyone would fuck her.
That doesn't make sense.
That is not how it works.
You don't ask the deer how to catch a deer.
That's the problem.
So because they don't understand that, when women give advice on what men should do, it's the advice they would give to a man they're already attracted to because they cannot conceive of them sleeping with a man they're not attracted to.
But, if you go through years of self-improvement looking at guys who studied social circle or intersexual dynamics, you see men who weren't able to have sex with women and then they were able to have sex with women.
For us as men, we can conceive of that because we can conceive of male self-improvement.
Women do not conceive of male self-improvement.
Especially the very track of women.
Because men must be common, women just aren't.
Because they do not conceive of male self-improvement, what happens is they just think it just happened, and they think you were always like that.
My girlfriend told me the other day, she's obviously 24 years younger than me, and she's like, yeah, when you were, she was looking at pictures of me when I was her age, and she was like, oh, you were hot, I would've gone out with you, and I'm like, no the fuck you!
There is no way you would have done that with me!
That is so ridiculous!
But in her mind, she thinks she would have gotten the same pang from meeting the 46-year-old me as she would have gotten from the 21-year-old me.
And of course, that's not true.
But she doesn't know that because in her mind, she doesn't see all the steps to get where I'm at.
Because they see the finished product.
That's why they want a turnkey relationship.
They want to walk into something that is exactly what they were always hoping and dreaming for.
It's like they're waiting at the finish line.
Hold on, because they're a turnkey product.
Because they went through puberty, and then boobs popped up sometimes when they were 16 or 17, and then all the guys gave them attention.
They were just the finished product.
They just add water, and they were hot, and female self-improvement was puberty and then turning 17, 18.
It also boils down to what I've called the hypergamous filter.
Women are looking for a guy who's legit.
Like if you look at shows like The Bachelor or Cheaters or something like that, there's always some there's always the intrigue is finding out, is this guy really who he really says he is?
And that's the I wrote about it in my first book, in the first book, Indignation.
It's like that women love that sense of indignation, especially when they're trying to figure out if a guy is the real deal, if he's authentic, if he's really if he really is who he says he is.
That is why The Bachelor is in its 28th season right now, because it's a formula that has been around since we were running around in the sub-Saharan African savannas, you know, back in the day.
Is this guy really who he says he is?
And if they can't get that in their regular lives, they will find it in their escape, their escapism.
But the thing is, the reason why they do that is because, well, first of all, it's a survival mechanism.
They want to find that.
But it also goes back to looking for the guy who's already the made man.
Is he really who he says he is?
And if you had to learn it, then that disqualifies you from their consideration immediately.
Because you're not actually the real deal, the real alpha.
If you had to go and go from being a nothing to being something, they don't want to know that you were a nothing at some time.
Because they wouldn't have had anything to do with you when you were in your high school years, but they will have something to do with you now that you're in your 30s or your 40s.
We were talking on the, I think it was on Adam Sosnick's show, remember when I was telling you about how, like, How old are you now?
You're 36.
And you are?
46.
46.
And I will soon be 56 in April, okay?
There's 10 years difference between all of us.
They were asking us about, like, if you're dating a younger woman, like, what would you talk about?
Would you possibly have anything to say to her?
You know, you're going to have an intellectual conversation with that girl.
So when we're looking at the differences between ages, these guys are already made.
So they have a frame and a world into which that woman wants to enter into in the first place.
And so the question, is this guy really legit?
Is he who he says he is?
That's answered hands down.
They already know.
Also, speaking isn't always it as well.
It's also an environment.
And you being a made man, which means you have access, which you didn't have before.
So having that environment, having that lifestyle, it still speaks for itself.
Congratulations, Michael.
I would get named it Access Vegas.
Michael, I want to ask you this.
You probably have this very similar experience.
You know as well as I do that not every woman is going to be into a successful man.
No matter how happy it is, there's some guy...
Not a particular one, yes.
Exactly.
Women can be quite picky, right?
Yes.
Or they have multiple attraction triggers.
Yes.
Hundreds of them.
You said this the other night.
Yes.
So even though he's a very attractive guy with lots of options, not every girl is going to like him, right?
Yeah.
How many times have you been with a girl and she's into you and she immediately assumes that every girl on the planet therefore must be into you?
Bro, it is crazy.
We did this experiment where we asked girls who were like, how many of you, like how many of your female friends, how slutty do you think they are?
And because women do this, when they're attracted to you, they think every woman is down to fuck you immediately.
They think you, when a woman is attracted to you, they start believing you come home and there's nine women just waiting to have sex with you.
And it's one of the weirdest things like, yeah, I wish it was that easy.
That's one of my favorite tests that we do on Access Vegas.
How slutty do you think your friends are?
And their friends are always nines, but the girls are always fours.
And I'm like, no, your friends are exactly as slutty as you are, and they would be saying the exact same shit about you if you were in right now.
It's so reliable, too.
Yeah, it's really funny.
Yeah, I mean, and that just goes to show what we've discussed so many times about women is that they're extremely solipsistic.
Oh, the way I think is the way that the rest of the world operates as well.
And going back to that is, I think guys really need to understand this because you were talking about rejection earlier.
I didn't want to interrupt.
Some guys just got to understand that rejection is a part of the game and you're just not going to be the look for some girls.
Some girls are just going to reject you off-rip no matter how handsome you are, how tall you are, how much money you have, etc.
They're just going to reject you off-rip.
Maybe you don't have a certain look that they like.
Maybe they don't like the way that you're dressed.
Maybe they don't like your voice.
Like, women will disqualify you for literally fucking anything.
As a matter of fact, I wish I had the clip here, but a woman literally said, if you have an Android, don't pull that out in front of a girl.
She said, I can't tell you how many times I've talked with women, and they said that they rejected a guy just for having a fucking Android phone.
Yeah.
And this goes to show you guys the amount of abundance of options that modern day women have, where they have the fucking luxury of turning you down because your texts are green.
That's wild to me, right?
20, 30 years ago, girls weren't doing that because they'd be lucky if one good guy came across their fucking purview a year.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, but if she's actually into you already, she's going to gloss over you real fast.
But Makia's like, if she's into you already, right?
So that's the thing.
So another thing too I want to say is that, because you were talking about female dating coaches, yes, I a thousand percent agree, female dating coaches in general suck.
And the reason why is, and I'll tell you guys why, because a lot of you guys might be saying, oh, you guys are just haters, blah, blah, blah.
Female dating coaches can absolutely teach you strategies.
They can tell you what to look for.
They can tell you deceptive practices that women employ.
They can absolutely advise you in that degree.
But they cannot teach you how to actually be sexually arousing.
They can't.
They physically can't fucking do it.
They can't tell you how to properly escalate with a woman when she's back at your place.
They can't tell you how to deal with LMR. They can't tell you how to deal with...
You know, being physically attractive in general from going to the gym and training yourself.
They can't tell you any of this stuff.
You know what I mean?
And going back to what you said, I love that you mentioned that because it's so true.
Typically when women talk about men from a dating perspective, they're assuming attraction.
Yes.
They never talk about the guys that aren't attractive.
It's outside of the reality that a woman, that a man they're not attracted to, could build himself up to have sex with her.
It's not possible.
Yet, from the male side, we were once, you know, broke in 17, and then we were wealthy in 40.
We've seen both sides, and we are aware of the growth.
They are not.
And that's the problem.
That's why they cannot conceive of that option.
And the other thing, too, I want to say...
By the way, you as a man, you feel the same way.
There's no way if I say, hey, how do I get a really morbidly obese woman?
What words could I teach her to fuck you, Sterling?
And you'd be like, I mean, for enough money.
But you know what I'm saying?
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
But you know what I'm saying?
You couldn't make her attracted to you, no matter what she said.
So for women, it's the same thing.
I can't conceive of it.
But at the same time, we know as men, it's totally possible.
It's just they don't see the finished product.
And not only that, another group of people that are also useless to teach guys are naturals.
I tell guys all the time that dudes that are naturals are not good coaches.
And the reason why is that they just get certain things that they wouldn't even think to explain to you.
They're some of the worst coaches.
Some guys are just good to an alley.
Some guys are just naturally confident.
Some guys just are able to be smooth operators.
And it is what it is.
And you run into a couple of these guys in a lifetime.
These guys are far and few between.
Where they have everything kind of just ready to go.
But these are some of the worst guys to learn from.
Because they can't tell you how to do it.
Because they don't necessarily...
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Their car works.
But they can't open up the hood and tell you how the engine is connected, how they had to replace an alternator because this alternator didn't work.
They can't show you that.
There's this meme going around.
It's a picture of Henry Cavill and it says, if you like a girl, just ask her out.
It's always worked for me.
Of course, yeah.
You know what I mean?
And a lot of the times, it's the Chads, right, that were just naturally good-looking from, you know, they played football in high school, then they went to college and they played a sport, or they were in a frat or whatever, and they were always just naturally good with women, and they just had this confidence.
So those guys typically aren't the best teachers.
You want guys that...
Quite literally got it out the mud.
They were fucking losers, and then they were able to go ahead and glow up.
Yo, listen, bro.
I started from rock bottom.
I'm telling you, bro.
It was not easy.
But the more you do, the more experiences you get, the more skills you get, it's way easier now.
Well, one of the reasons why women can't teach you what is arousing.
First of all, they want to stay on the beta buck side of everything.
They want to make sure it's like provisioning protection and parental investment.
You've got to be funny.
You've got to have these characteristics.
It's like the...
What Royce used to call the 436 bullet point checklist.
When you ask a woman, what are you looking for in a guy, she's going to tell you what she's attracted to, not what she's aroused by.
So if you say, well, I really like it when a guy is six feet tall, he's got broad shoulders, he's got a V taper, he's got a six pack.
That doesn't come out.
It's usually like good, like long-term security traits.
I mean, a guy's got to be good looking, don't you?
But they kind of gloss over that and move into, he's got to be good with his mom.
He's got to love his mom.
He's got to want kids.
He's got to like rainbows.
He's got to have a good education, yada, yada, yada down the list.
But when you ask a woman, like a dating coach, whatever, what do you like a man to do in bed, she's not going to tell you that because that's something you should already get.
Because that is, it was you who said this, it's like the best social proof.
Is when a woman, when you're in bed with her and she knows you're good in bed because you know her body better than she does.
Is that what I'm paraphrasing you right now?
If you know a woman's body better than she knows, she already knows that you're pre-selected.
Right.
So she already knows that you've learned these skills because you've been rewarded with sex from other women as well.
So you just get it because you had had the experience of being rewarded with that so you know what you're doing, right?
Therefore, you're the kind of guy that other men want to be and other women want to fuck.
Right.
So, but the reason why they won't teach you that or they won't even really want to discuss that is because if they do, then just what you were saying before, if you can learn those things, now you've gone from the guy who she would never want to reproduce with to maybe the guy who could trick her into having sex with her and then reproducing with her.
And that triggers with what I've called the existential fear in women to have that choice taken away from her or her sisters for that matter.
So God forbid and one woman teaching teach a guy how to be good in bed so that he can go and trick another woman into sleeping with him to get that social proof that we just talked about.
I do a lot of interviews with female sex coaches and female dating coaches lately, and it's very interesting, like what you just said, every bit of advice they tend to put out is very touchy-feely, very feminine, like, let's talk it out, let's talk about our feelings, let's talk about our desires.
Emotionalism.
Exactly.
And I come in and I tell guys, no, no, no, just act like this, do this, dominant, lead, push these buttons, and I get results.
And when I say that to a female sex coach, they sit there and nod in agreement.
And to go on your point of female dating coaches can't teach that, right?
They'll reveal themselves and they'll give up the golden goose if you describe What you would do as a gal.
They'll agree to it.
Then they'll agree to it.
They'll be like, oh, fuck you, that's hot as hell.
But they won't bring that out verbatim themselves.
They can't describe it themselves.
But if you describe it to them, they will 100% sit there and nod their head in agreement.
So you're probably the perfect person to talk to about this.
It's when you are dating a woman and you guys pick up a woman together.
And the woman's really attractive, and she doesn't get it.
Because she, from her standpoint, sex just happens.
And from your standpoint, you have to create a funnel.
And so now you're trying to take a couple, you're a couple, you're trying to take a girl home.
And she doesn't understand, like, no, you have to be, we have to get rid of the haters.
Like, she doesn't grasp.
She doesn't, because she's like, no, we have to make up everything at the apartments ready.
We go to a club that's near our house.
She doesn't grasp.
Have you had this situation?
She doesn't understand logistics.
No idea of logistics.
Yeah.
No, like they literally, I had this conversation two days ago.
They literally think like, oh, like how about you just, you get, you're attractive, create a bubble profile and swipe in LA and we'll get a girl together.
I'm like, no, no, no, honey, like you think I'm just going to like the offer, like off rip is going to be have a threesome with my girl?
Because from her standpoint, that's what happened to her, because it felt organic.
So it's so crazy, because I have to tell my girl this sometimes.
It's like, you have to be aggressive.
Let me deflect the haters, like her friend, the other dudes trying to get at her.
We need to get her out of this venue before the people come and grab her and pull her away.
And you have to explain to her, and she's like, it's not this complicated.
It's uncomplicated for you because you're fucking hot and everything works for you.
For us, you need to listen to what I'm saying.
And then finally she's like, oh, I understand.
After the third or fourth time, she's like, oh, I totally understand.
She's like, she doesn't see these obstacles because for her, she just exists and there's arousal.
For us, there's a window of opportunity.
Bro, they don't understand this.
You are screwed, bro.
They don't understand.
I really have to fucking...
What these guys are describing right now, I'm like, in my head, I'm like, holy fuck, you're bringing back negative flashbacks.
Yo, you guys want to see how retarded women are?
Have your main girl try to help you hook up with, like, another girl.
Bro, it is one of the most frustrating fucking things ever.
Women are absolute retards when it comes to attracting other females from a male lens, because guess what?
Now, when you're doing this, you pull the rug from underneath them, now you're a nigga, bro.
You need to go ahead and get this bitch the way I do.
And then you realize how fucking dumb they are.
They don't understand logistics whatsoever.
They don't understand the concept of approaching her in a manner that's attractive.
They think that they can still approach her on some, I'm a girl, you're a girl, okay, blah, blah, blah.
No.
They don't understand the concept of She has to look a certain way.
They don't understand the concept of the place needs to be.
Look a certain way when we come back.
They don't get any of this fucking shit.
The biggest one is we need to leave now.
That is the biggest one.
You know what I'm talking about, bro.
It's like, dude, the dude is coming back.
Guys, we need to leave now.
They don't grasp.
That's the big one.
We need to leave now.
They don't understand buying temperature.
If your girl is friends with like, or knows like sluts, that's one thing.
My boyfriend thinks you're hot, blah, blah.
That's fine.
What I'm talking about, you're actually going out to the club and or you're doing maybe a bumble date or something like that and you're like actually getting a girl that's cold, right?
And you're building attraction with your girl.
Yo, a lot of the times, in the beginning, you have to train this out of them.
They'll fuck you up!
They don't know what they're doing!
This is weird.
Because the girls have never been in that situation.
You want to see a fucking fish out of water?
Oh my god, bro.
They have zero concept of what it takes to be attractive from a male perspective.
And they think that them just being a girl and being attractive It'll work.
Well, it's like that one woman who transitioned to being a man and lived as a man for a while and ended up self-deleting because, like, she just couldn't take the pressure.
He, she, whatever.
Couldn't take the pressure of all that.
And I think that, like, and you've said this before, it's like women don't understand the process that guys have to go through to have, like, they gotta have the place set up.
The temperature in the room's gotta be perfect.
The barometric pressure and the goddamn humidity better be perfect.
I mean, all of this stuff like, oh, there just happened to be wine in the refrigerator.
There just happened to be four different flavors of tequila.
I don't know where these candles came from.
It's not until you put your girl through that training, right?
And you've done this successfully a few times that she'll finally understand and say, wow.
This is a lot of fucking work.
And then you know what's funny?
They turn into misogynists after.
They literally say, wow, women ain't shit.
This is fucking hard.
This is really annoying.
Because when they approach women from the male perspective, they see how fucking rude and candid they can be.
They can see how they really behave.
They can see the flaky text messages.
They can see how they move.
They can see how they operate.
They start to go ahead and realize, hmm...
This girl's trying to finesse.
She's just trying to get free drinks.
They start to see the male experience, and then they say, what the fuck is this?
And then they really start to get angry.
They become misogynists.
It's amazing how when you put women, right, you put the shoe on the other foot, and you let them live the male experience, they immediately, yeah, I hate women.
Fuck this shit.
And you're like, welcome to being a fucking guy!
And I never knew I did.
It's amazing, dude.
I put one or two girls through it, and it's like, bro, it's incredible.
Even guys in relationships, particularly guys who are in sexless relationships, and they're like, how do I turn the sex spigot back on?
A lot of that comes back to the logistics of everything.
I think a lot of guys think it's got to be date night, and you've got to keep it fresh, and it's all Spontaneity, spontaneity, that's the name.
Yeah, exactly.
There's so much more behind that that actually leads up to something that's going to actually trigger that arousal cue.
But you're never going to get that, especially if you're having that conversation.
As I was saying before, just bringing it up, just having the conversation disqualifies you from the guy that she wants to fuck.
It's like revealing a magic trick.
Right, yeah, exactly.
If a magician reveals exactly how a magic trick is done, it's no longer captivating, it's no longer entertaining.
Same thing goes with that.
If you're revealing...
Explicating to a woman, like, oh, I'm going to do this.
Here's what we're going to do in the bedroom.
Here's Sunday night's date night.
Here's what we're going to do.
It just takes away all the magic.
Observing a process changes the process.
You've got to lead them through it and be spontaneous and captivate them in the magic of that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But no, it's really interesting because, like, dude, literally I just had PTSD when you mentioned that.
Me too.
When you guys mentioned that.
The other one I tell them is, like, you can just grab their boobs.
You're a woman.
You can just, like, go to a strip club, just grab their boobs.
No one will say, like, they have this, there's this barrier that they don't have to worry about, especially with super attractive women.
And I'm like, just be aggressive.
Like, I promise you.
She won't stop.
She could be completely straight in front of her husband.
She's not going to stop.
Just be aggressive.
They can actually screen them out faster than you can a lot of the times if they're DTF. But like, yeah, dude, it's...
And also, the trust that they have with other women, bro, is like, yo...
To me, bro, that whole effect of having a girl work for you to get other girls...
Worse because, once again, in that environment, in that setting, she actually doesn't have the barrier.
You know what?
He's a creep.
I'm going to be weird.
I'm not safe about going with you after a club somewhere else.
But what happens is, if the girl actually knows the game as you teach or whatever, we have a girl here in Miami that's very good at doing that.
I won't say her name, but like, whenever we go out, she legit, okay, we want those two girls over there to bring over here.
She brings the girls over, Give them a shot.
Hey, these men boys are really cool, whatever.
And then before you know it, okay, cool.
Girls, we're going to go to this spot after in 20 minutes.
Then to the crib.
Hey, who wants shots?
Take shots.
And then before you know it, it's finished.
By default, women aren't creepy.
By default, men are.
You're assumed creepy until you prove them otherwise.
But women are by default not creepy.
And could be incredible wingmen if they know what they're doing.
Incredible wingmen, yeah.
But do they?
Not really.
99% of the time, they don't.
And if it's like a girl and you're trying to set up a threesome or some shit, you're going to have to teach her, and then she's going to be like, wow, this is a lot of fucking work.
And then you have to explain shit to her or whatever.
So, yeah, man, it's crazy.
Yeah, I had some of these chats real fast because I know that they're piling up.
I hope you guys enjoyed that fucking segment right there.
Okay, guys, take salsa classes.
You will interact with many women in a relaxed environment, and the majority of the class is female.
Before you know it, you will gain enough confidence and social awareness to ask women out.
What do you guys think?
Can I jump in real quick?
Yeah, go ahead, bro.
I think that salsa classes are the female equivalent to speed dating for men.
You go to speed dating, it's all dudes and a handful of chicks.
You go to a salsa class, it's all chicks and a handful of dudes.
Aaron Clary will agree with that, since he was an instructor.
One of the issues, though, with the salsa dancing is what I see is guys who aren't good with women that just become better salsa dancers.
They just never get good with them.
Like at some point also improve.
You gotta go in there with intent.
Also, like at some point have a set up to where you go to do something other than salsa dancing.
I just see these older like overweight dudes are just fucking incredible spinning girls around and like haven't got laid in five years.
Don't be that guy.
That's all I'm saying.
You can also, another one is going to yoga.
But you have to immediately, like if you're gonna hit on girls at a yoga class, like make sure it's not like, you know, a yoga class where she's always at and shit like that.
That might be weird.
And then also, you're gonna have to break the frame of you potentially being gay immediately.
And then also, you don't want to come off as a creep either.
Because there's guys that do it.
You want to break the gay frame and the creep frame immediately if you're gonna go do the yoga game thing.
I think guys are supposed to work, and they get scared of talking to girls to actually do salsa, and that's a problem too.
And I think for most people, that's a good start to meet a person, but to actually get girls itself, might not be that easy.
Make sure you have a genuine interest in doing anything.
This is more to deal with sourcing issues, too.
You know what I mean?
Because a lot of guys might be like, oh, man, it's tough to see girls or whatever.
I'm stuck at dating apps.
Then, yeah, you might have to do some more in-person stuff and set yourself up.
What else here?
Much love, FNF. Can y'all elaborate why church girls are the biggest 304s?
Okay, so this is a simple man.
Again, girls self-purity...
100%.
We all know this, right?
However, the veil of religion is so much of a dense cloud that most people can't see it.
So as a result, girls will party like an animal on Saturday.
And what did they do?
Church on Sunday.
But at the same time, You guys heard of this story before, the pastor's daughter.
She's the worst of the worst.
It's not because she's his daughter.
It's because that environment where she's at, she's being constricted.
And she wants to have fun, go out, do things.
So the moment she gets a time of free space to do what she wants to do...
It's all her breaks loose.
Because at that moment, she's been caught up in the house for like 10, 12, 80, 20 years.
And then when she gets outside, it's like nonstop fun.
Yeah, part of the thing is the absolution that the church gives you.
That absolution is now, what happens is the girls who are 304s, they're attracted to that absolution.
I go back to the church.
What he's actually referring to are the youth groups that you go to where they try to hook up a girl who's been with like 70 dudes, who's like a reformed Sunday morning nightclub.
With a guy who actually followed the Bible and hasn't had sex.
And he's like, so now we have a 25-year-old woman who's been with like 70 dudes and a 25-year-old man who's a virgin.
And then we match them up.
And then it's like, this is a terrible match.
But the church has to offer some absolution.
And part of the absolution is she's a born-again virgin and you need to respect the fact that she's a born-again virgin.
And it's like, she can still have her...
It's still not a good bet for me to be with somebody like that.
We can forgive her, but it would be foolish for us to ignore.
I think people forget, just out to your point, the church is a building.
There's some people inside of the church, and they have issues.
The issues don't go away.
You're still the same person.
Don't judge the merit of a religion by the people who follow it.
Exactly.
It's them getting outside and having that fun and then saying, you know, I can just go to church on Sunday and I'll be fine.
It's just a paradox there because...
And I think deep down, like, all these girls, they think, like, okay, I can be a hoe and then come back and be reformed and someone will save me.
That's why forgiveness is such a...
You're right.
It's absolution.
A lot of them look at it as a safety net.
In this book, as a matter of fact, it's the prodigal son narrative.
It's like I can go and seek my fortune and go have hookers and blow and then come back and Father God's going to welcome you back into the form.
You know the funny part about that Rollo?
Accountability.
They can say, you know what?
Alright, I can go crazy and have fun, but again, I can go to church on Sunday, and it's all on God.
It's all on church.
Hey, you know what?
My sins are washed away.
Forgive me, Jesus, for doing what I did.
It's not just the girl who's selling that, though.
It is the church.
It's the church itself.
You have been redeemed, and therefore, because you have been redeemed, this man who has no sexual experience should take you on as a wife because you have been redeemed or now in this youth group with him.
And you just end up in a terrible, terrible situation where there's a mismatch where she's been with, you know, 50 more people than you have, and you're just getting married because that's what the church told you to do.
The parable of the prodigal son isn't about the son, and it's even not even about God.
It's about the people who are the true believers who never left the faith in the first place.
So what happens is when the prodigal son goes out and blows his inheritance on hookers and blow and then comes back, then all the congregation says, see, we told you so.
We were right all along, and now he's coming back to the fold.
Thank God, you know, let's all, let's slay the fatted calf and have a big party kind of thing.
But it says more about the people who are the believers who stuck with it all the time.
And so it's very similar to when a woman comes in and says, well, I've been this incorrigible porn star slut for so long, but now I'm redeemed and now I'm forgiven.
It says more about the people who accept her back in rather than the whole situation between her and God and whatever everybody else.
And by the way, not just women, guys too.
Also, the self-selection.
The ones who are good are married.
You aren't experiencing them.
If they're 304s, you aren't experiencing them at all.
They're married, and what's left over is what happened.
He has a question.
Where's all the good girls?
They're married.
They're married.
It's one of the funny things, whenever you do female delusional calculator, we always ask them, do you want to- They're married or they're young?
Yeah.
Like, and you gotta go for the younger girls.
I mean, people always try to shame us for, like, going after younger women, but a big reason why I tell guys to go after younger women is not because, oh, yeah, like, just get them because they're younger, tighter, and hotter.
No, it's because they're more impressionable, and you're gonna be able to go ahead and take that authority standpoint.
You mentioned something fantastic earlier.
That you guys have this lived experience.
You guys are older.
So, you know, you're able to be that guy just off of your own experience and the way that you convey yourself as you speak.
And then women want that.
They want a guy who's ready to go.
That's the basis of frame.
That's the basis of frame.
It's having a world into which that woman wants to willingly, voluntarily, like, enthusiastically be a part of.
That's why he and Kylie are such a good match.
It's because she wants to be part of this fantastic world that she would never have with any other experience with any other guy.
At her age.
And then here's the other thing.
Let's go ahead and take a guy...
Let me build you up a little bit more.
Let's go ahead and take a guy that's 24 her age, and he has the same money as Mike, or maybe even the same status.
Here's the problem.
Doesn't have the life experience, hasn't been through the fucking rigor, and you can see this, I hate to say it, look at someone like Neon, right?
Young, impressionable, money, fame, status, clout.
Well, I'm just saying it as an example, right?
And this is why it's so important as a man to become, because what ends up happening is, women are sharks in water.
They see, oh, you got some money and you got some status, but you don't know your fucking worth?
Now you're a mark.
Now you're a mark.
Now I'm going to go ahead and use this to my benefit like this dumb bitch is doing now.
And I'm going to call her a dumb bitch because it pisses me off what the fuck is going on here.
But this is why it's so important as a guy, especially if you're a trust fund baby, you got some clout, you got some status, etc.
Bro, you need to fucking go suffer for a little bit.
I don't know what the fuck it is.
Maybe you need to go to a boot camp.
Maybe you need to surround yourself with some guys that are going to train you, whatever.
You need to get punched in the face.
You need to do something to...
We're on YouTube.
I can't say this.
To deprogram the pussiness out of you.
Get a personal stylist.
Yeah.
Look at McDonald's.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
But you need to do something, bro, to suffer a bit.
Because as a man, you need that suffering to build good stories, to build character.
The problem is, and I see this with so many streamers that are young, they don't have fucking character.
They have money, but they don't have character.
Which a lot of you guys right now, you guys are looking at me crazy.
Man, you're loyal to a fault.
Bro, I didn't hear that stupid terminology like 10, 15, 20 years ago.
This is like some fucking Gen Z bullshit.
You're loyal to a fault.
What the fuck?
Like, that's crazy to me that it's even a thing.
But Gen Zers, they don't understand this because you motherfuckers don't get it out the mud.
I just gotta say it.
You know what I mean?
When you grow up in my generation or...
Or earlier generations like you guys, right?
There's just certain masculine tenements that you just know and accept.
But it's like we have to re-teach this fucking shit to guys in 2023, which is wild to me.
And I see with a lot of these younger streamers, etc., there's just a certain code that isn't abided by, which it's like, what the fuck?
And I'm trying to teach all this fucking code that, yo, the people you came up with...
Are the fucking people that you put on once you get up.
They run by a code, brother.
You don't forget them.
They run by a code.
Well, two codes.
Cloud Money.
That's it.
Yeah.
And you don't learn the fucking character, right?
That actually makes you attractive, by the way.
Women really appreciate loyalty, especially amongst your friends.
You want to know something, by the way, that's a huge DHV? If you're still friends with the guys that you grew up with.
Because women, deep down, they are fucking jealous of men's ability to maintain long-term friendships.
They're fucking jealous of that shit because it's very difficult for them to do it.
Look at Andrew Tristan.
Just not being jealous when you have a disparity in wealth or whatever.
Going back home and seeing my friends back in Dallas.
Definitely.
What I was saying before...
Ask any hot girl.
Are you friends with your friends that you were with in high school?
No.
Almost never they are.
And that's a huge DHV for you that you are able to maintain friends long term.
It's a huge DHV that you guys are still buddies.
It's a huge DHV that you're able to show loyalty because, let's be honest, women don't have the same level of loyalty as men do.
They don't.
The only thing they're loyal to is their fucking emotions.
I'm going through the Quentin Tarantino series with Kylie cuz she hasn't seen any of these movies and like watching her the first time she watched a reservoir dog She's like holy shit.
This is great.
I'm gonna be the I was the first guy to take her to Miami like all these things of the first guy to do that That's one other reason.
That's another reason like you want that.
I don't want to be the fifth guy to take Yeah, I don't want to be that dude You don't have to un-teach bad habits.
That's a big one like this one I'm very attracted to younger girls.
It's like I don't have to unlearn all this shit to I can instill good habits, good values, good characters.
You know where we're going together.
Michael, I want to ask you this real quick.
So, I get a lot of middle-aged women sliding in my DMs, and I recently put out a reel talking about how I will only date a girl who's like 24 or younger.
And then they all immediately flipped on me and started calling me a pedo and doing all this attacks.
I'm very curious.
Do you have that experience in person where like you'll find middle-aged women very attracted to you and then once they find out you're dating Kylie who's younger than you they flip and get angry attack you and it's it's not that much and I think because they don't it's really weird I don't know I haven't really got a ton of that I do get some but not very much it's actually it's actually been pretty positive I don't know I thought I was going to get a lot more hate from it but I do get a little bit but not not as much they do behind your Yeah, that's probably fair enough.
Hey, speaking of, you said something else about loyalty and teaching men loyalty because they don't understand it.
So happy 248th birthday to the U.S. Marine Corps today, November 10th.
It's 248th birthday.
And in Latin, they say semper fi.
Always loyal.
So there you go.
That's a happy birthday to the Marine Corps.
All right, guys, we got some chats, man, because, yo, the show is going on.
The time is ticking.
All right.
Hey, Fresh, I'm thinking about joining CEO Network to help me in my journey with stocks slash crypto.
How's the mentoring help with that in there and or in MOA? P.S. Y'all woke my brown ass up.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, bro.
So the network is not for bums.
People don't want to move forward and become successful.
It's a brotherhood.
But we bring in celebrity guests, also as well, mentors as well in that space.
We bring in Charlie and Miguel.
So if you want help in there, they are in there as well.
You can hit them up.
Yeah, and then MOA. Yes, man, for sure.
If you guys want to come check us out.
Use my link.
We have a...
You go to moamentoring.com, or you guys can hit me up on IG, and I'll put you in the free server.
Yeah, for sure.
By the way, we took the, what's it called, the VSL off, and it actually works better.
So if you guys want to just go up there and check it out.
I kind of throw something about MOA in here.
Yeah, sure.
MOA is the only, like, It's an organization that I endorse right now, simply because it's a bottom-up.
It's not like, we're going to change the world.
It's each one tell one.
So it's a bottom-up situation.
And one of the things that I'm working with, a friend of his right now, to do an older gentleman's, a mature man's part of this.
And a lot of recently divorced.
Yeah, for recently divorced guys getting back into the sexual marketplace.
So we see a need right there, and so he and I are actually developing a program within MOA right now.
There's nothing better than on some of our group calls for the rest of us coming together around a guy who is going through a custody battle or through a divorce.
We turn the recording off, because I don't want anybody to hear any personal information, but just all of us coming together to support a man who's going through that, because that is the number one cohort for men self-deleting.
45 to 65.
Always take that one seriously.
Whenever there is a child custody battle, or they're going through divorce, alimony, and it's just been rough, several times, we turn the recording off, and we all just come together to support them.
That's one of the things, one of the very important things.
So when him doing that with Major Joseph Marone of the United States Marine Corps, they're doing a program together, so I'm excited about that.
We got here, Nav saying, fresh...
What the fuck?
Dude, come on, man.
Nah, man, that's a no.
What the fuck?
Are you retarded?
What is called?
Sterling Blue Chew vs.
Wood Pros and Cons.
While taking this, should I still be drinking prompt?
Pomegranate, watermelon, and pineapple juice and eating almonds with raw honey before giving her this beat of zinc.
Lots of zinc.
Go ahead.
Pineapple juice, yes, because that's just for a flavor thing.
And look at wood is like a long...
This is going to do the same short-term thing that a blue tree will, but it's also going to help you long-term.
It's going to fix the underlying root cause of the problem.
Yeah, the pineapple juice thing is not a myth.
That's real.
That's absolutely true.
Pineapple juice and strawberries will make your...
Yeah, we'll just leave it there.
Yes.
Launch.
Kevin Caps goes, what's the best thing to do once you turn 21?
A friend gave me the money to ask.
Get a sales joke.
You're never going to go wrong with sales.
That's an easy thing to do.
Learn a skill like sales.
That'll help.
We got here, JC Van goes, Rolo, why you never red pill us about those who are blue pill and them boys, people with media, Disney, Inc.
If you just want to make money, it's fine.
But if you genuinely cared, you should have mentioned it.
He's asking about, bro.
I think you mean elves.
I'll tell you this, bro.
You already know what the fuck it does.
We've talked about it on Rumble and shit, so it is what it is, man.
Great show, guys.
WMichael, do you guys think he is a good...
Think H has good influence on Aiden Ross?
I'm 6'2", 225 bodyguard.
I work for Drake before.
Any tips for building more income, age 7k a year, and network?
I don't know their stream.
I don't see their stream, so I don't know.
But as far as your question goes, I work for Drake...
Damn son, 6'2 and 25 pounds.
I happen to be 6'1, 225.
So I'm telling you, the best thing for you to do, I would think, is have some social proof that you work for Drake.
I would have a bunch of different photos or other people that you've worked for.
Use that on social media to maybe have some other big clients that you could bodyguard for.
And then Top Shea goes, to my brothers, loyal to the fucking corpse, hoorah!
Any military personnel, foreign and domestic, do 50 push-ups right now.
Marines watching 100 push-ups.
Let's go.
Fuck them boys.
Shout out to you, Top Shea.
WTAE, WFNF. I did my two training sessions today, man.
WTAE, WFNF. Keep up the genuine work.
Paying for breakfast.
Okay.
All right.
And then anything on the Streamlabs or whatever?
We're caught up.
Alright, cool.
And as you guys know, we're going 50 and up from this point.
Well, from before.
So yeah, fnfsuperchat.com or obviously your rumble rants in.
Sorry.
So we were talking about...
Where are we?
Today's topic.
Oh, yeah.
Which cover that?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Actually get to the topic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We were talking about some of the other different things.
I mean, it was one of those free flow shows.
It was, it was.
Because when you have, you know, it could go in so many different ranges.
It was good, though.
Also, guys, if you guys got questions, go ahead and shoot them in right now.
Or if you're going to make fun of Chris, turn it up and I'll read it.
Because making fun of Chris is always a W. So, female promiscuity.
Tonight, guys, we're going to have a debate-type show.
We're going to give you two different types of things.
Yeah, we're going to have a debate-type show.
We've got some annoying feminists that are going to be on.
Some of you know.
Some of you don't know.
Oh, they know.
They definitely know.
But it's going to be a higher IQ discussion for sure, guys, because we've got these guys in the house.
Yeah, us Red Pill guys.
All of us Red Pill guys are here.
Exactly.
All the Red Pill losers they would call.
Or what do they call us also?
Incels?
Us red pill guys.
Nobody wants to name names anymore.
And if you're gonna talk shit, if you're gonna be critical of the red pill and those guys and their movement and their philosophy.
Cause there's a lot of RP guys that we don't necessarily agree with and we don't...
Well, they usually say some bullshit about, and I see this more out of trad cons these days, is they'll mouth off about some completely ignorant shit.
And stuff I have countered for decades now.
And then they'll say something about, like, oh, those red pill guys always say X, Y, or Z, right?
And they never say who the fuck they're talking about, but they'll flash your face on there, and they'll flash my face on there.
Of course.
Like, wink, wink, nod, nod.
Like, you're a fucking coward if you don't name names.
Say my fucking name.
That's not just, like, you know, me putting my sound drop on there.
Say my name.
I have to give you that.
But it's not...
If you're going to make that bold a statement, if you're going to say, I am so well-versed and so knowledgeable about this...
They'll put a picture up and they'll say something that we never even said.
Say my fucking name.
Say Myron's name.
Whoever you're talking, say his name.
Let's be specific.
In the last 24 hours, Lotus Eater was on with what's-his-face, Alex Datesik, saying that people in the Red Pill community said that 20% of men are having sex with 80% of the women.
No, we didn't.
We just quoted the same Tinder survey that you quoted.
We never said that.
The other one...
There was another one today, and I can't remember who it was, but they legitimately said that we all said that men and women should be separate, and we're trying to tear men and women apart.
No, men and women are better together, and everyone on this panel has said so.
You are either being negligent or you're lazy or you are deliberately lying by saying things.
Because the problem is when we tell the truth and our audience grows, it's inconvenient for you.
And I get that it's inconvenient, but you should be willing to debate and then find out.
What I predict is going to happen is after these elections, you're going to see a lot because they're not going to have that I love the shit out of women.
But the thing is, when I make a statement about body count or whatever, if it's inconvenient for your narrative, you should accept that.
And then question me, because I am never going to back down, and neither is he, and neither is Sterling, or any of these guys.
We're going to back down.
Why is it our side is always willing to do debates, and the other side is not?
Which is why I'm excited.
You said you have feminists on here.
I can never get feminists a couple months to show.
I think it was Sidney Watson who was talking about how, like, oh, the Red Pill is divisive and stuff.
Sidney, I have been on your show.
We have had really great talk.
I was on there with Aria Scarcelli, I forget.
It was like back in December of 2021, right?
It was right before Jack Murphy's infamous flame out with, you know, Heartfelt, that one.
It was the week before that.
Like, I've been on your show.
You know I'm cool.
I'll give you a freaking respectful, you know, debate.
Come to Vegas.
Well, I'll host you.
We'll put you in sticky pause and we'll have this talk.
Silence, crickets.
You don't hear jack shit.
And the only thing I can think of is that you're just doing this for clout or for effect or because you think you're going to get, I don't know, engagement on your fucking tweets or whatever it is that you're doing.
If you're serious about it, Matt Walsh, Jeremy Boring, whatever, you know, Dan Shapiro.
If you're serious about this, back your shit up, first of all, by saying my name, his name, anybody else's, Myron's name, whatever, instead of just showing our fucking faces on there, say who you're talking about and face up to it.
If you feel that much conviction about this...
Then fucking back it up and don't be a fucking coward because that's what you are.
I'll tell you this.
I'll give Ben Shapiro credit because he did play the video, right?
And he showed it.
It was the whole thing about the guy needs to have 50 body count.
And he was saying that a high partner count affects both genders.
And I was like, both genders negatively.
And I did a whole episode where I debunked this and I'll summarize real fast.
But generally, it hurts the women.
It doesn't hurt the men.
And we've talked about this ad nauseum.
I mean, I'm sure you have something to say on this.
We were talking about virgins, yes.
Men who are virgins, women who are virgins, when they get married together, they tend to stay together longer and show higher signs of happiness.
But what happens is, it falls very quickly for men and then it levels out.
For women, it does not.
It goes down much.
So could it be bad for both?
From a moralistic standpoint, you might say promiscuity is bad for everyone.
The point is that it's a lot worse for women.
You want to say, hey, I don't want to be a promiscuous man.
That's totally fine.
What I'm saying is with women, there is actual scientific evidence showing that it becomes very difficult for them to stay in a relationship, whereas a man who's been with a lot of women, it doesn't show the same thing.
And there's this other loser running around with glasses saying, well, actually, higher body counts for men shows that you're more likely to cheat.
Okay, cool.
But that's not the argument.
The argument is, does the relationship end?
Who ends the relationship?
The women end the relationship.
And I love how they disingenuously try to debunk our points.
I'm saying that a higher body count as a man isn't gonna affect you as negatively, right?
Which means, the bottom line is, they're not ending the fucking relationships.
It's the women that are ending the relationships, okay?
So, just because a guy cheats doesn't mean he necessarily doesn't love his girl, doesn't care about his girl, isn't gonna provide for his girl.
A lot of guys fucking do it, matter of fact.
The number of men who would cheat would go up with the number of options that those men could get.
Meaning, if the assistant manager at Walmart had lots of options to cheat, the likelihood of him cheating would go up proportionally.
And so that's the reason why.
When women want to cheat, sex manifests.
They don't have to do anything for it.
Like you said before, a woman on average has more sexual options than a celebrity does.
She can get sex faster and more frequently than a celebrity does.
When a man wants to cheat, this is why numbers of men who cheat are just not consistent, they're not viable statistics, because so many men want to cheat and can't, and the men who can cheat and don't, those are pretty much the only ones you should be surveying, but what happens is, When women have more sexual partners before they get married, the likelihood of them cheating increases.
But for men, is it true that if a man has more sexual partners before he gets married, he's more likely to cheat in the relationship?
Well, the reason why isn't because he's more likely to cheat because of some neurological disorder or whatever.
It's because if you married the drummer from Metallica and he had 500 or if you had a thousand bodies before he married.
Shout out to Lars Ulrich.
Once you're married to him, that doesn't change.
He's still just as attractive to women.
So women are going to cheat because of previous sexual partners, and men tend to want to cheat because of their options.
That's what makes it different.
Yeah, and I think the most important thing is the men aren't going to end the relationship.
Yes, I mean, that's just not happening.
It's fucking ginger running around trying to say, well, you're actually wrong because men who have higher body counts are likely to cheat.
They don't end the relationship, you fucking loser.
And I hate these guys.
They try to disingenuously attack my argument.
The bottom line is still true.
If women are hoes, the relationship ain't going to last because they're going to break it off.
That's where it goes.
That's why chicks that are sex workers, that's why girls that do certain types of professions, etc., they have higher likelihoods of divorce.
Why?
Because women are the ones that initiate the breakups.
It's not the fucking men, dude.
It's not the men.
And we have the numbers on that for divorce.
If we want to go with breakups, etc., women dominate that too.
Guys aren't breaking up with chicks.
When we had that couple on here, when I came in for couples counseling on that show, I changed my mind.
It's not going to be the guy that cheats.
It's going to be the girl that cheats.
No, I've been saying that.
I said that immediately when the show is over.
She's the one, not him.
Guys, you understand, the problem with that couple yesterday, no disrespect to you guys, I hope you guys come on our show, but the issue is, in order for him to maintain the same level of income that she had, he needs to do homosexual content in order to keep up with her.
Just think about that.
There is a problem because there is no problem.
Do you guys understand my point?
He must continue to do homosexual content in order to stay up with her.
And then they're like, well, there is no problem because we're outrageously rich.
Which, by the way, he said, some months you make 80 and some months you make 100,000.
They've been doing it for three years.
So let's just say at total they have 3.6 million.
Double that, let's say they have 8 million.
You live in California.
Half that's going to be gone.
They said, I have a life-changing amount of money where we're never going to have to work again.
I don't know what...
Are you moving to Puerto Rico?
Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
It's like, no, if you both give up your job, that...
I don't...
Eight million dollars, if you live in Los Angeles, it's not going to last you for the rest of your life.
That's not how that works.
To me, the delusion is what happened because, again, they believe that each other won't cheat.
Like you called it.
By default, him being who he is, she's gonna cheat eventually.
For sure, yeah.
I mean, I could definitely say that.
And he's going to want to, but you're right.
Like, he wouldn't end the relationship.
But it's one of these things...
And it might be not...
I got that from the context.
And it might not be, like, directly cheat, but she's going to monkey branch.
Like, she's going to start talking to some dude.
She's going to have an option ready to go.
Before the actual movement happens.
She's in an industry where the opportunity for that exists.
Absolutely.
I might know something about that.
Interesting thing.
I mean, yeah.
I hope nothing bad happens.
This is not hope.
If one cheats, it's probably going to be her.
Yeah, I think it's going to be her first?
Okay.
I think with him, the option is just more apparent right now, probably, just because the money, he has some social proof, etc.
But yeah, some girls are definitely going to be turned off by his IG and shit like that, because it's G4P, bro, is basically what it is.
Yeah, I'm not going to lie, he typed this, I didn't even post it.
I'm like, no!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're cool, bro, but nah, bro.
Yeah, it's a lot of G for P shit.
But no, no, that's an interesting take.
And then with her, it's just that I look at it like they just got married, so I think she's going to be cool probably for now.
But yeah, in the future, I could definitely see.
Also...
He's following her lead.
The problem is because you brought it up, when it happens, it's going to be three times worse.
Because they came on here and professed in front of 20, 30,000 people, whatever, more than that, that no, he won't ever want to cheat on me.
He finally does get to a point, it was like, hey, maybe we could have a threesome, or he brings it up, or he starts having inclinations of hooking up with some other girl.
It's going to be ten times worse because they said no here.
You see what I'm saying?
And that's another reason, too, why I kind of...
Because I already know what chicks like her, how they think, dude.
I was like, bro, this girl's on a high horse.
She thinks she's special, etc.
And I just had to let her know, like, you no longer have leverage in this situation.
You're dealing with a guy that doesn't understand his value because he was a brokie for so long and came into this money.
And he's younger than you.
So you're kind of finessing it.
But the reality is, because it's going to come, he's probably going to fuck a bitch and you need to stick around.
Now, with him, I mean, he should be smart enough to know if she cheats, it's fucking over.
Right?
But, I mean...
I don't know.
You called it.
Last show with Neon and his girl, you called it.
Yeah, I did call it.
Called it again.
Yeah, so, I mean, I genuinely think, I will say this, and this is where we could, I think, if anything, he's probably going to cheat on her before she cheats on him.
Yeah, it could have been a dude.
I think.
Oh my god.
Am I wrong?
I want to say this too for the audience.
You know how much extra money he could make?
I mean, that seems like a pretty fantastic financial opportunity.
He's probably getting a bunch of offers, yeah.
But yeah, I think he's going to cheat on her.
And then what she'll probably do is she'll retaliatory cheat, right?
If she doesn't listen to what the fuck I said, she'll cheat from a retaliatory standpoint.
But like, I mean, yeah, dude, her nose is up in the clouds.
If she really thinks like, oh, I'm just going to leave at 28 and you had a sex scene and you're on OnlyFans, no guy is going to take you seriously at your status.
Nope.
Like any guy that has money and has as many followers as you or has a public image is going to be like, fuck no, I'm not wifing up this girl.
Which is why I'm so glad that like podcasts like this are out.
So many girls are mad and, oh, the red pill, blah, blah, and so culture, blah, blah, blah.
Girls are mad because we're pulling back the fucking layer and we're finally unveiling the female sexual strategy and how women move and how guys should not be taking...
We ask questions they don't want to answer.
And we're exposing the women, most importantly, we're exposing the women that guys should not ever take fucking seriously.
I will disagree with you a little bit, Amira, in the sense that she, like...
She will find a guy that will settle down with her.
And I know because I've seen it happen again.
Because there's a lot of, there's an excess of simps.
However, the guy she will end up, the guy who will settle down with her, she is not That's what I mean.
She's going to be so dissatisfied and bitter and resentful towards that man.
Maybe not day one, maybe not day 30, but eventually she's going to be so resentful of that guy just because of who he has to be in order for him to settle down.
I agree 100%.
I should have clarified.
For her to be satisfied.
She'll find a guy, but the key is finding a guy that she's actually satisfied by.
Because here's the thing.
For a woman to be satisfied, she's got to be with a dominant leader that has, and I hate to use this term, alpha characteristics.
Guess what guys that have these traits don't fucking do?
They don't wipe up sluts.
You called it, bro.
Again, in this scenario here, unless this happens and she does break away this guy and most of that guy, like, on some level, she's gonna have to follow his lead again.
Sorry, I mean, he's gonna have to follow her lead, like this guy from before.
So it's crazy, bro.
Yeah, the OnlyFans economy is far outweighed by the simp economy.
The simp economy, the population of the simp economy.
And as things increase, you're going to see, again, read Ray Kurzweil's book where he talks about people fucking robots and women having children with other women.
We're going to get to a point where that number of men who are having zero sexual partners is just going to continue to increase.
Kill Twitch, by the way.
Kill Twitch.
Kill Twitch on Facebook.
Yeah, go ahead.
The simp economy is going to 10x the slut economy.
I actually have a question for you, bro.
So, OnlyFans, right?
Question for you.
Have you seen girls be depressed, be sad, because they regret what they did, but now they're in it, they're like, damn, I'm too far gone, it's gotta continue.
100%, yes.
Yes, and they don't even recognize why.
Yeah, 100%.
So, it's funny, because I know they want love.
I know they desperately want love.
The problem is, though, they did so much shit on the internet, they can't take it back.
You know, the darkest thing is that they hate their fans.
With a passion.
They resent the guys that they have to deal with in the DMs.
That's the kicker, right?
Women think doing OF is like, oh, I post a titty pic here and there.
No, no, like the money is made with talking to the fans.
And that's why all the giant content creators, all the biggest girls and only fans, you're talking to some Filipino.
You're talking to some Romanian guy.
You're not talking to her.
But the thing is, the girls who, when they start out and they get into the industry, and they have to start talking to their fans like that, they start to see, same with strippers, by the way, same with prostitutes, by the way, they start to see the worst aspects of men, and they very quickly turn into the rabid feminist stereotype of just hating men.
Do you know a great way to get over porn is to go to ABN and see your favorite porn star in person?
What?
What the fuck is this?
And then, look at the line of men that are lining up to get autographs.
They're holding flowers and DVDs, and then just remember, you're one of them, motherfucker!
You're one of them!
I will never masturbate again!
No!
Me and Miguel were at the AVN Expo in January.
It was like the first time I've ever been there.
I'm like, there better not be any motherfuckers that know me here that come up to me and ask me, like, I love your shit!
Of course there were.
What is this incel culture?
I had a lot of sex this month.
I'm really confused.
I'm not involuntarily celibate.
How does that work?
They call me an incel.
I'm just so confused.
I'm not trying to be mean.
You must be.
I'm really trying to understand.
I'm that infamous incel who got his dick sucked on camera for money.
I just don't get you.
I don't really understand.
How does that work?
I'm not trying to brag, but I have had sex this month, and I just don't understand why I'm a part of it.
What you're saying about the simp economy, it reminded me of this, I think it was Warren Buffett who said, you know, the market can stay chaotic longer than you can stay solvent.
It's the same thing.
That sexual market, like that marketplace, simp economy can be chaotic longer than you can account.
I have a question as well.
So it's sad because on some level, someone will need money and they go to prostitution, OnlyFans, stripping.
And then once they get the money and they want to actually find love, they can't because in the same breath that they want a guy to value, he's like, yo, you know what?
You did this shit?
Nah, I'm good.
I'll smash you.
We're never going to get serious.
Is there a way out for these ladies or no?
The out is to lower your standards.
That's 100% correct.
There will always be somebody with low enough standards to accept them.
That's the point I was trying to make before with Myron.
There's always a guy who's willing to date them.
But being honest here, she doesn't really want that guy.
No, of course not.
Is that really a way out?
The answer is a 56% divorce rate, 52% for first marriage, 68% for second marriage, 73% for third marriage.
That's ultimately the result of what happens.
Compound that with birth control, right?
Because a lot of these girls, if they're shooting boy-girl content on OnlyFans or whatever, they're probably going to be on birth control, right?
And then they'll fall for the simpy guy, let's say, the more, I hate using this term, but the more beta guy, right?
I hate those terms.
They'll fall for that guy, right?
And then they'll decide to have a kid with that guy.
And the moment they get off birth control, there's just been numerous studies on this, Like, when a girl, they make massive different mate choices on birth control and off birth control.
She's into the guy on birth control, she gets off it, has kids with him, and then ta-da!
She doesn't find him attractive anymore and she divorces his ass and takes the kid and gets child support.
Plus proving the dual mating strategy, just saying.
A lot of guys, you know, let's be honest, when guys are on long-term relationships, especially after they have kids, they've done studies on this too, he becomes, his tea drops, he, you know, gets comfortable, doesn't go to the gym, etc.
I mean, one of the iron rules of Tomasi that I agree with so much is like, don't cohabitate with a chick, bro.
Shacking up.
It will save you, like for so many guys, right?
Of course, unless your game is sharp and you understand certain things and you're able to navigate it appropriately, it is one thing.
There's exceptions to the rule all the time.
But in general, for most guys, it's not in your best interest to keep your SMB high.
It's not in your best interest to live with your chick, bro.
It really isn't.
Oh, Murray, that's not practical, man.
Like, what if you...
Wait, share on rent!
You know what I mean?
Like, bro, it was so practical.
Look, man, I know, getting another place that might be expensive, blah, blah, blah, but how much do you value the relationship?
Like, are you willing to, like, put your relationship at a higher risk by living with her?
Because I'm telling you right now, bro, she's going to weaken you to a degree.
You're going to get complacent.
You're going to get fatter.
You're going to get softer.
It is what it is because women are naturally...
Okay, I'm just gonna say that.
Do it.
Women are naturally fucking lazy.
Human beings are lazy in general, but at least with men, you have a very strong incentive to go out there and produce something because you understand that your value as a man is contingent upon what you create.
So you have a stronger incentive to go out there and fucking do something.
Them on the other hand, Life is on easy mode, especially if they're fucking married.
They're fulfilled, bro.
They're good.
They got you.
They got a house.
Especially if you're the breadwinner, they're chilling.
So you, they're going to be super lazy, and then you're dumbass going to, especially if you follow your wife or whatever, like a lot of you guys, happy wife, happy life.
I'm going to sit in and eat ice cream with her and get fat with her.
Oh, yeah.
Like, no, man.
You're literally going to take out doing that shit.
There's a famous broadcaster in L.A. that spoke about this.
He calls women dream killers.
Yeah.
And Tom Likas.
Tom Likas.
And I get the example of my uncle in St.
Augustine.
And I've seen many relationships over a period of time over my years here on Earth.
I've seen girls on the show.
And it's funny because this works.
He lives in his own house, right, a couple blocks down.
Let's clarify something, though.
He's been divorced four times.
No, no, not Tom Lakers.
I mean, my uncle, right?
So he lives, right, separately from his girl.
Separate house.
Huge house.
Five cars.
Lifestyle.
But she lives down the block.
Separate properties.
But again, they come together, they go on dates, they travel, they go back home separately.
And it works.
But live on her, he could tell off rip, it would destroy things.
So he knows.
Muslims have been practicing this for forever.
You go to Saudi, you go to Dubai.
Look at even Muslims who have multiple wives, what will happen?
They'll have the main house where the husband sleeps, and the wives will have a separate...
To create that distance.
You need it, bro.
Yeah, the way I've seen a lot of successful men do it is they're just...
I mean, a perfect example would be my friend Justin.
They're just traveling too much to be in one place all the time.
Most guys can't do that practically.
So they have to artificially create that distance because absence makes the heart grow fonder.
She learns to understand exactly why she loves you, but when she misses you, That's the whole point of it.
Give her the gift of missing you.
You need that distance.
You need to have that separation.
Yeah, dude.
Guys, I'm telling you, man, the more a chick sees you and everything, and the more available you are to her, the less attractive you are, dude.
I hate to say it like that, but that's just how women are.
I can speak to this as a guy who's been married for 27 years, and yes, I'm looking at the chat like, oh, Rollo's been living with the same woman for 27 years.
Yes, I have.
I married her, you fucking idiot.
I didn't say cohabitate.
Read the goddamn book before you start commenting.
Stupid.
But I was going to say...
You're never really home.
I was going to say, the traveling part.
I got the traveling part down, right?
But see, the thing is that it's not even intentional dread or creating any kind of competition anxiety or anything like that.
This is just what I do.
You just be there.
And before that, I worked in Wine and Spirits, right?
And before that, I worked in Casino Marketing, right?
So it's just a lifestyle.
So when people say, how come you're against marriage?
I'm not fucking against marriage.
I'm just against the way that we do it right now.
And then also, most guys who get into the, you know, the, oh, let's just watch Netflix and eat Ben and Jerry's together for that.
Yeah, when you get into those habits and stuff like that, yeah, you're fucking doomed.
You know why you're doomed?
Because you no longer have the same gravitas that you had when you were single.
What I mean by that is that you don't have any of those opportunities to demonstrate higher value anymore.
You don't have any opportunities for social proof or pre-selection like you did when you were single.
So all that urgency and all that competition and anxiety and everything that made her want to fuck you when you were single, all of that just...
Gradually turns down.
Hell, the studies were guys who get married, their testosterone levels drop.
And when they get divorced, they go back up.
Why the fuck do you think that happens in the human body?
Do you know some of the safest neighborhoods in America are, they're like in North Texas, and it's dual gun ownership.
And these people have fences around their houses.
Very happy neighborhoods.
People like to live here because we have...
Boundaries.
When people have boundaries, they're very safe, fun neighborhoods.
People, they feel comfortable letting their kids there.
Legal gun ownership.
Here's the reason why I'm bringing this up.
When you have a boundary with your relationship and you're a man, you have a boundary, you think it's like, oh, you're just controlling this woman.
No, you're making it better for you in the relationship because she's not going to embarrass you.
But you're also making it better for her because she now has a man to look up to.
Because you do not, it's not only do you not want to get cheated on, you don't want to be the man who would get cheated or take a woman back who got cheated on.
That's the thing that you don't want to do.
So having those boundaries, it's not just good for you, it's also good for her.
She has more respect for you and the relationship's better because you get to lead.
A woman can trust you and feel safe with you when you have boundaries.
If you don't have boundaries at all, if you're the kind of guy that is like a walking doormat, She cannot possibly feel safe with you.
If she can walk all over you, then the next guy can certainly walk all over you.
If I can get away with this with him, then I can get away with fucking hell.
You were the guy who let me cheat.
That's what happened, right?
The girl cheated on you, and you took her back.
In her mind, no matter what the parameters of the relationship are, you're the guy who took back the cheating girl.
In her mind, she's like, what is wrong with him?
He took back a cheating woman.
Forget about it.
Solipsistically, she can't look at it from a third-person standpoint.
She's just like, he took a person back who cheated.
It's almost like if you're getting beat up in a fight, you lose.
Actually, wow, this is my man.
I just lost.
Yeah, no, it's very similar.
Yeah, so we actually know she is looking at it from a third She's looking down at it The problem why so many guys get disrespected by their girl and why you know She's okay with doing the stupid host that she's doing even though she's in a relationship with you is quite frankly Your girl doesn't fear your girl doesn't fear you and I'm not saying from a physicality standpoint You know go out here and Sean Connery your girl.
I'm not saying that what I am saying that though, is that she needs to be scared of you leaving her.
And I've always said this, right?
If you're going to look at respect, right?
Let's say it's a nice pizza.
One of the required ingredients of this pizza of respect is fear.
Okay, fear is the fucking cheese of the pizza, guys.
Okay?
If a girl doesn't fear you, she can't respect you.
Think of the police.
Why do you act nice a lot of the times?
Hi, officer.
How are you doing?
Blah, blah, blah.
Because there's fear that you can go to jail.
They have authority over you, right?
Why do you speak to someone?
Why do you speak to your boss in a respectful manner?
Well, you don't want to get fired from your job.
Why do you speak to a guy who's significantly taller and stronger than you that could probably fuck your ass up?
Why do you speak to them respectfully?
Because there's a fear of potential violence.
Or your honor.
When you're in court, your honor, you address the judge as your honor because they got your ass in their hands.
When you're around men that you don't necessarily know, why do you speak to them with respect?
Because there's that unspoken potential of violence, okay?
So what I'm saying here is that fear is a prerequisite that's required for your woman to respect you.
And you're not going to get that respect through fear of violence.
No, the fear of her leaving, of you leaving her.
That's the problem why so many of you guys get disrespected by your girl.
She knows you are not fucking going anywhere.
That's why I was just writing about this on my substack.
I was putting this out as a series of tweets recently about boundaries.
Guys think I'm a hard ass when it comes to boundaries.
Because if a girl wants to go on her girls' night out, or she wants to go on her weekend to Vegas with the girls, and you know goddamn well why she wants to go and do that, right?
We've had this question on this show before where guys will say, well, my girlfriend asked me if it's okay if she goes on a girls' night out or she goes to Vegas for a weekend, blah, blah, blah.
They'll call me usually.
What do you do?
What do I always say?
I say, let her.
I say, hey, go right ahead.
Please do.
Have a good time with your girlfriends.
And as soon as she's out the door, you take all her shit, pack it up, and put it on the fucking sidewalk, and then you change the locks, right?
Because boundaries mean shit unless there is some consequences to it.
And the only way that women understand what your boundaries are is if they touch the hot stove, as if there is some sort of...
There has to be a consequence for it.
So you're not the kind of guy who talks about it, right?
It's demonstrate, do not explicate.
Boundaries must be demonstrated if a woman is going to appreciate them.
The moment you're talking about them and trying to give her an ultimatum, that's when just the very fact that you would need to do that means that her desire level isn't high enough to have the insight to know what your fucking boundaries would be in the first place.
I value this guy, as you were saying before, the fear.
But the fear and the dread comes from an insight saying, I appreciate this guy so much, and I know he is so confirmedly high value that I don't want to fucking...
you know, lose this guy.
So maybe it's not a good idea.
If I go, I would rather, I have more desire to stay with this guy on the weekend than I do to go with my girls out on, on, on a girl's night out.
Because if you were high enough value and she had high enough interest level in you, she would have the insight to know that, Hey, maybe he wouldn't be cool with that.
I'm just not going to do that.
Or maybe he's so high value.
And we've talked about this before that I ought to voluntarily of my own volition, take down my only fans, take down my Instagram rather than have him ask me in the first place, because I don't want there to be any confusion that he's the guy for me.
And he's the guy that I want to be with.
So whenever we talk about, like, what do you bring to the table besides your pussy in your mouth and whatever, you know, what's your value added?
The one thing I always say is insight, because that insight is so rare in women.
I mean, it is like extremely, extremely rare for women to think, okay, I appreciate how valuable this guy is, and therefore I'm going to voluntarily change my behavior because I recognize how valuable this guy is.
I've had, and I'll just finish up with this, but when we do the delusion calculator, the female delusion calculator, We gotta give you guys ours.
I usually do.
Yeah, we should.
Ours is a lot more accurate.
We got you.
I'll send you a link for it.
I usually do that with guys because guys don't understand what their intrinsic value is, right?
But I've done that, and we've done that.
We do it multiple times on our show, and I have had several women do that with their husbands.
And then they'll say, Rolo, I have a new appreciation for my husband.
He's 0.0147% of the population and holy shit, I want to suck his dick that much more because I don't want to lose this guy.
Because they've never had it put in black and white numbered terms so that they can say, wow, I'm really with a rare animal.
I'm really with a guy who actually maybe I should have a little bit more insightful.
And this is why I blame social media so much because what it's effectively done is it's made women think that these guys are all over the place.
No, they're fucking not, you dumb hoe.
They're really married.
You might just say, yeah, fuck him.
He should do that.
He should work 60 hours a week.
He should come home and take care of it.
It's incredible, bro.
Change the diapers and do the fucking laundry and do everything else because he's not picking up around the house.
And I have a ninja TikTok account, right?
And I'll go in there and I'll look at female TikTok.
Dude, it's nothing but a bunch of bullshit of, He ain't shit.
He ain't shit.
You're valuable.
Love yourself.
You're a queen.
You should demand X, Y, Z, blah, blah, blah.
And in my head, I'm looking at these hoes and I'm like, you literally look like every other girl on the fucking internet.
You are not special.
But we sit there and what they do is they prop themselves up while simultaneously pushing men down.
And in my head, I'm like, this is terrible advice.
Because if you look at the numbers, the guy that all these women are seeking...
It's way rarer than you host.
Yeah.
But they sit there and they'll be like...
And the worst thing is, they have this...
What they sell on TikTok is, the grass is greener on the other side.
Leave him.
It's okay.
Divorce porn.
But TikTok itself, you know why they do that?
Well, one, to vent and express their emotions.
But two, is the algorithmic push.
Oh yeah, it kicks it up.
Where that type of content goes way further than I'll go.
Of course.
But just to add to your point as well, you're speaking about girls knowing what their man actually wants them to do by default.
I would say sometimes it acts indirectly.
You have certain questions just to clarify what you like and what you don't like.
But I have a question for the panel here.
I just want your take on this real quick.
So let's say you find a girl, because nowadays most girls are OnlyFans, prostitution.
They're kind of doing like I don't know about most girls, but most girls are street fuckers.
Only fans, right?
Most women are...
I'll say this.
I'll say this.
The hottest girls are all involved in some type of sex work.
Most women are a bigger slut than Michael Sauteng.
Nobody is a bigger slut than Sterling Cooper.
Let me explain, though.
When I say prostitution, I mean like Instagram.
They have Instagram, and they'll probably sell here and there.
They might, right?
It's in the air.
But basically OnlyFans, right?
It's taking over our society.
Most women are doing it.
Well, some women.
In this society that we're in currently right now, if you find a girl that's going to acquiesce to you as a Hawaii man, in a way, and willing to quit everything for you, and be that girl for you, is it okay to give her a chance if she can delete her OnlyFans, stop whatever she's doing, on the side for you?
I think so.
I think, but the other thing is, like, what were we talking about OnlyFans?
I know some girls make a lot of money on OnlyFans and they shoot bikini pictures.
There's no nudity whatsoever.
I think that's not, that to me, when we say OnlyFans, we're just, everything in OnlyFans is hardcore, guy-girls, sex with midgets and fucking donkeys.
That is not, there's a lot of girls canceled.
There's a lot of people that are only fans that just post pictures of them in bikinis.
That's different.
I think if a girl gave up all that, yeah, I don't think I have a problem with it.
If a girl is doing studio porn and hardcore porn on there with multiple men and she keeps that up, then of course, there's just no way.
There's just no way.
I just want you to consider, guys, one more time.
We're just talking about being embarrassed in the situation with Neon and the situation with Zerka.
It's one of these things where you work at a law firm and it's like, oh, here's my wife, Sarah, and then guys can go and watch Sarah have sex with other people.
That is a very difficult thing for you as a man to deal with.
And as women will shame you and say, you're so insecure.
Why can't you get over this?
And it's like, you just don't understand.
It's not about me being insecure.
There's opportunities I'm going to lose because I am married to someone who did this.
It's so possible for women to grasp that.
You know what's amazing?
Girls that aren't sluts completely understand.
I find this very, very fucking interesting.
Like, if you talk to a girl and she's like, nah, that's like fucking, why are you wifing up OnlyFans girls?
Or she like understands like, yeah, no, fuck that shit.
Like, they shouldn't get any, they shouldn't get a second shit.
Like, hell no.
Like, girls that aren't hoes despise hoes.
Like, it's amazing.
And you know what's funny?
They shame women even harder.
Bro, the biggest misogynist I've ever met are women.
Yeah, absolutely.
Because they look at it like this.
I have all the same opportunities as you, and I chose not to be a slut.
So they automatically are like, you're fucking below me, blah, blah, blah.
Because women have an invisible hierarchy as well.
They're not as standardized about it as us where we put a hierarchy on competence or whatever.
They have a silent hierarchy where it's like, oh, you're a slut?
You're at the fucking bottom.
Just because it's intrasexual combat between women.
It's disqualifying women.
Women who are sluts versus women who aren't.
The biggest thing is this, though.
They have that hierarchy kind of invisibly.
They're not going to say, you're a loser because you're a whore.
They'll maybe tell other girls or whatever, and they'll do it behind their back.
But they won't go ahead and solidify that hierarchy.
It's always invisible, and they do it surreptitiously.
But men, it's out there.
You're a fucking bum.
You're a fucking loser.
You're fat, etc.
This is why men are way more likely to self-improve, because Our deficiencies are put in front of our eyes.
With women, it's not.
It's not at all.
They find out a year or two later.
Did you know that Mindy called you a whore at the fucking bachelorette party?
What?
Myron, you nailed it.
You know what it is?
What?
The girl doesn't have OnlyFans or whatever.
Those options that she had, she didn't take.
Yes.
So you know what?
I'm going to work my ass off.
Struggle.
To get to where you're at.
And as a result, no respect.
Because yo, you went the easy route.
You said, you know what?
I need money right now.
Take my clothes off.
All that shit.
But again, it's a hard route.
Talk to a chick that is like a professional.
Like she had a job, she has a degree, blah, blah, blah.
Ask her about OnlyFans or sex work.
You want some entertainment?
Get your fucking popcorn.
Ask them what they think.
Like, obviously not with other girls there and shit.
But like, ask them.
Alone?
Bro, they're gonna go off.
They're gonna tell you about all their whole friends.
They're gonna say, I don't fucking talk to her no more.
You know, it's fucking disgusting.
I saw one of her videos.
They're gonna go into fucking detail, bro.
It's crazy.
To answer your question, so when we talk about open on your end and close on her end, right now we're kind of debating what kind of relationship format we want.
For instance, for him, it's open on his end, but she's bringing in girls.
That's kind of like their arrangement.
So open on his end, close on the girls' end.
We talk about this like Justin Waller has the same kind of arrangement.
Then there's the destiny situation where it's open on both of their ends, and God knows what the fuck we're going to call that.
And then there's my situation, which is closed on my end and closed on her end.
That's the traditional marriage kind of thing.
The problem with this is that when men are single and women are single, men are the pitchmen.
Men are the guys who have to sell themselves and sell their quality and their performance and their value on that woman so that they can get with that woman in the first place.
So they're the ones who are going out there, they're initiating, they're paying for the date, they're being guys, right?
That's what they do.
They have to prove their quality so that woman will select for them, and the woman, on the other hand, has to advertise.
That's all she has to do is say, I look sexy, this is what I'm about, here's my Instagram, here's what I look like, here's what I've done.
Women are the advertisers, men are the pitchmen.
Right.
The problem is in the social media era right now, the guy, if he go, if they're in that situation like mine, right, closed on both of our ends, if that guy goes and pitches and flirts with the fucking waitress at the club or something like that, or you see somebody else, he's pitching himself as being available.
We call that a dirty cheater.
We call that guy a son of a he's it's infidelity.
Right.
But if a woman is still on Instagram and she's still advertising herself and maybe her revenue is dependent on that, we don't have a problem with that.
So technically what you're looking at is it's open on her end and closed on your end, although we're supposed to believe that it's closed on both of our ends.
And if the guy has a problem with her having sexy pictures or making her money on OnlyFans, Instagram, whatever, whatever else it is, absolutely.
Advertising her sexual availability, even though she's not sexually available technically, right, the soft launch and all that other bullshit, because women will lose their market capital if men think that she is actually taken.
She'll lose followers, she'll lose clout, she'll lose whatever.
If she's still advertising and the guy cannot pitch anymore, he can't sell himself anymore, it is open on her end and closed on his.
The difference here, and to answer your question, though, is, is she going to say, you know what?
This guy is so hot and is so high value, and I am so confident.
I cannot do better than this guy.
I'm going to stop advertising?
Then yes.
It just depends.
Like, what was she doing before?
If she says she takes it upon herself to, like, you know, close out her OnlyFans, close out her Instagram, whatever, and she says, you know what?
All of that, that I used to be available, I am no longer available, and I'm only with you, then yes.
Hmm.
Interesting.
And that's just because I find guys to say on the show, they're like, oh, fuck these girls or whatever, like they're whores.
But then some of them still date them, right?
And take it seriously.
And because the litter, I want to say the amount of girls that are actually available, some of them are doing that stuff.
So how do you choose who to pick?
Sterling.
Yeah, going back to the whole point you were making about setting boundaries, right?
You demonstrate, you don't explicate, right?
One of the things that I've found is very, very useful on a first date, because I do set boundaries, and I have enforced those boundaries in the past, right, is I will...
This goes back to what you said about storytelling and the ability to tell those stories, tell DHVs subtly, tell these nuanced points.
I will very often...
Talk about a previous instance of me cutting a girl off for certain behavior.
And then, surprise, surprise, the woman I'm on a date with will...
I told this to you yesterday in the cab.
She starts deleting photos off her Instagram in front of me.
Showing me her Instagram.
Is this acceptable?
No.
Deleted.
300 pictures deleted as I'm sitting there on a date with her.
That is a way...
To express those boundaries for the woman before it ever comes up.
Indirectly.
Yeah, indirectly through your previous experience.
The only reason I'm able to do this is because I actually have enforced those boundaries in the first place, though.
Like you said.
Okay.
That's it for me.
I just wanted the audience to, because I think some people don't understand, like, the dating pool in America, especially, is tainted.
And as a result, we gotta choose.
Single mother, OnlyFans, I mean...
That's it.
That's all we have to choose from.
That's all we have to choose from.
I am actively out there in the dating marketplace, dating, and it's like, bro, guys have it tough, bro, because you gotta choose from trash.
Literally.
Well, if she's hot.
If she's hot, she's probably doing some dumb shit, bro.
I just hate to fucking say it.
That's the reality.
And this guy, you might never know.
She might never tell you.
Yeah, you might not know.
That's just how it is, unfortunately.
And this is why I think people get mad at me for saying this.
You want a girl somewhere in that 6, 7 range, 8 range at the highest?
You know what I mean?
Marry mids.
Yeah, bro.
Those are the girls typically...
Because here's the thing.
But those girls also tend to be the biggest whores, too.
To be honest with you, girls in the mid-range.
We just uncovered where less attractive women are more likely to cheat on you, but more attractive men are also more likely to cheat on you.
So you've got to find...
It's a balance.
This is what I've noticed.
The things that I've noticed that tend to be the most favorable.
Obviously, she has a father.
That father was a traditional provider.
He has money.
Successful.
Right?
Okay, so she never had to do dumb shit, blah, blah, blah, right?
She lives with her family, still.
She's only had, you know, a few boyfriends, younger.
What else?
Yeah, those are some good things that if she has those things, the likelihood comes down.
Her Instagram is either private or very few photos.
Even better, no sexualized photos if she does have pictures.
These are things that if you have this all-in-one girl...
The likelihood of success goes up.
Now, does this mean, oh, she's fairly religious?
That's a good one, too.
But again, that can come back and fuck you up.
So it's very important.
It's case by case.
These are things to look for.
And if they're all working in tandem, your likelihood goes up.
But again, guys, nothing is foolproof.
Because people say the solution is passport.
But they have to argue.
Hold on.
I have to argue, bro.
Just so you know, even in Colombia, we just came out from Colombia.
Bro, girls over there aren't any better.
They're pregnant at 16.
They're all single mothers.
Dude.
I have a friend, right, bro?
He gets pleasure off of this.
He'll DM a girl with a boyfriend and literally pay her to smash.
And she does it.
I'm like, hold on.
It's a regular girl, not working, not sexual, that just says, you know what?
I need money right now.
Wait, is that who I think it is?
It's who you think it is.
Oh, okay.
And I say, bro, this is sick, man.
But again, the foreigners that came to Colombia?
Fucked it up, man.
100%.
It's exporting feminism to other countries.
Or gynocentrism.
So what's the solution, man?
I mean, we're all screwed, bro.
Adapt.
Adapt, basically.
Really, what other choice do you have?
I think you come from a position of abundance.
Meaning, like, how about this?
For me, it's not one girl versus another girl.
It's one girl versus being single.
And other girls.
Does that make sense?
Like for women, they grow up and they're like, I can't wait to get married.
I can't wait to be a bride.
Men were like, I can't wait to be an astronaut, a politician, a firefighter, a whatever.
We don't wake up.
We don't grow up and go, man, I can't wait to be a groom.
We don't tell our buddies, I can't wait to get married.
That's not something we were super excited about.
That's something women are excited about.
So for them, getting married is always part of the plan for us being successful as part of the plan.
And then a woman gets to join.
If it's any other way, where it's like, which, I have to have a girlfriend now.
If you're a man out there and you've gone through this before, you go home for Thanksgiving and there's always, no offense, it's always a fat aunt who has...
Auntie!
She always has some fucking mean thing.
Why are you living your life like this?
I don't appreciate it.
You shouldn't be doing this.
When are you going to settle down?
They're never asking the women this.
They're always asking the men.
Women, it's always part of the plan to settle down.
For us, we're being guilted into this.
And when you have the abundance to be like, I could settle down, or I could go make a couple hundred million dollars, something like that.
If you have that abundance, then what happens is the women you get to choose from, it's so much better.
And now, you may have to go through hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of women to get to that point.
I'm sorry it's gonna suck.
By the way, someone told me before, Michael, what do you think about all that meaningless sex you had?
None of it was meaningless.
I meant to fuck everyone.
None of it was meaningless.
The next meaningless threesome I have will be the first.
I've never had a meaningless one.
All of it had meaning for me.
But the thing is, when you do that, you come from a place of abundance.
Again, what would you be willing to tolerate from a woman if you had three women at home waiting to fuck you?
What would you be willing to tolerate from your boss if you had 50 million in the bank?
If you do anything other than that, then you're selling yourself short.
Right.
And here's another thing, too.
I get a lot of fucking haters come at me, 50 body count, bro.
Like, you don't need that much to, like, understand females, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, dude, do you guys live under a fucking rock with modern day dating and how women operate nowadays?
Dude, I'm not saying like, okay, if you're at 49 and you meet the girl of your dreams, don't fuck it.
Like, oh, I'm sorry.
Gotta smash one more.
Hold off, Lee.
Like, bro, if you get it at 35, 40, you know, whatever it is.
But the point is, I'm trying to drive home is you need to get sexual experience.
And what I've noticed is at 50...
At that point, assuming you didn't pay for it or fucking rely way too heavily on your social circle, whatever it may be, you should have some semblance of how women move and operate to the point where now you can finally go ahead into what I call the final round, okay?
Which is basically the fucking marriage.
Because the thing is that guys don't get is that if I told you You got a fucking boxing match in five years.
Your opponent is 50-0, but it ain't Floyd.
Okay?
They fought, they've been training, etc.
Would you go to the gym and train?
Or would you say, I'll figure it out when I get there.
You'd probably go to the gym and train, wouldn't you?
Especially when half your money's on the fucking line.
You can lose your kids, you can lose your freedom, etc.
You're probably gonna go to the gym and train, wouldn't you?
Okay, fantastic.
That opponent that's 50-0 is your future fucking wife, bro.
Because, I'll tell you this, even if she's a fucking...
Virgin, nice girl, good girl, good family, etc.
She's had way more interactions from the opposite gender than you fucking have, bro.
And if you don't understand how to go ahead and get in the ring with her and square up and defend yourself properly, deliver hits, I know you fucking weirdos really like sitting here, I'm gonna go fight my wife now.
No, I'm saying prepare for the fucking boxing match of your life that can literally determine your future.
Women are quite effectively 50 and fucking 0.
50 and fucking 0.
If not more, the hotter she is, the more knockouts she has.
So wouldn't you train for that fucking fight when everything is on the line?
A lot of these idiots, my detractors, are telling you motherfuckers.
It's okay, bro.
Just believe in God.
You'll be able to fight and win that fucking match.
Bring the Bible with you to the fucking ring.
Bring the Quran.
Bring the Torah.
It doesn't matter.
Religion will save you.
No, it fucking won't.
You need to go to the gym and fucking train.
God's not going to save you when you don't have the fucking training, motherfuckers.
That's just how it is.
So I'm telling guys to go to the gym and train for that fucking partner.
Opponent that has 50-0, 100-0, 200-0 if she's fucking really bad, etc.
So that's why I tell guys to get the sexual experience.
Because you're going up against an opponent that is very good at what you guys are about to do.
Which is what?
Dealing with the opposite fucking gender.
Holy fuck.
That's exactly what Jim Sexton, our divorce attorney Jim Sexton says, most guys when they are in a divorce, they're learning to fight in the fight.
When they finally get to the ring, it's too late.
They're learning to fight within the fight itself.
I'll say that, like, having podcasts like this one helps guys to learn some of these pitfalls and these traps before they, like, with a lower count.
Yeah.
Right?
And some guys will learn it at 50.
That's a good point.
I didn't learn it to, like, fucking 100, 200.
It took me that long to, like, get it.
Some guys will get it at, like, 10.
Yeah.
But podcasts like this are the ones that help guys speed up that entire process.
And then, of course, I can be married for 27 years and I can say, you know what, the divorce rate is really, what, 56% right now.
People go, oh, Rollo's against marriage!
Like, no, dude, you can actually put stats out there and actually talk about things that you might not necessarily agree with or you think is good or it's bad.
It's just a fucking stat.
But you know what's scary?
Some guys never wake up and then they die.
Blue pills.
True.
That's the worst, bro.
Man, I'll tell you, I deal with guys, and particularly me, like a guy like Robert Kiyosaki or some of the other older guys that I deal with, right?
Better late than never.
I mean, Robert's a different animal, obviously, because he's Robert Kiyosaki, right?
But there's guys who get to be 70, 75 years old, and they go, holy shit.
My whole life, all the decisions and everything that built up to where I am right now was because I didn't have any actionable information.
I didn't understand the shit that they're talking about right now and I can't believe it.
And oh my god, I'm either gonna self-delete or I gotta rebuild myself.
And that's harder to do the older that you get.
Kiyosaki was lucky that he has a bunch of money.
I mean, and I can't tell you, dude, one of the top comments we get, where were you guys 20 years ago?
Where were you guys 10 years ago?
Oh my god, I wish I had this when I was younger.
So I'm telling you guys, you're right.
That's a good point, Sterling.
You guys might be able to figure this out at 20.
You might not need to hit the 50.
The point I'm trying to establish here, because people are so fucking retarded and don't understand, is I'm telling you that there's a match.
You need to train and be prepared for the match, because it's the match that will dictate the rest of your fucking life.
Marriage is not a fucking game nowadays, guys.
It's not.
And I'm telling you, man, these women are fucking Floyd Mayweather out here nowadays, man, with the defense and you don't even expect it and all this other bullshit.
So it's like, guys, don't get it, man.
And what's worse, adding social media, girls now go to TikTok for information.
So they're being literally brainwashed with the agenda from day one.
So you're fucked.
They have a motivation to knock you out.
And the boxing match.
And take your shit.
And they will.
They will do it.
They fucking will.
And here's the other thing.
They got the stamina.
They'll go the 10 rounds and then knock you out on the fucking 11th or 12th when you're fucking gassed because you don't have the stamina to keep up with them because you don't understand RP knowledge.
You don't understand female nature.
You don't understand how to maintain attraction over a long period of time.
I'm going to tell you, I'm going to throw out the obvious thing that everybody will counter this with.
Okay, not every woman will do that, right?
It's not that every woman will.
It's that any woman can.
Bam, bam.
Fertility.
Man, I hope somebody fucking wakes up from this.
If you're in a shitty relationship, bro, where your girl isn't afraid of you, she doesn't respect you, she's talking to you crazy, she might be mad right now that you're watching this podcast.
Bro.
Turn that shit down.
I don't wanna hear it anymore.
You need to seriously assess where the fuck you are in life, bro.
Where we at here?
I think we got a couple of these things, then we'll close this out, because we got probably a longer show for this debate.
I'm about to partner in a business that my friend already has, and his LLC. Problem is, I just told my wife I wanted a divorce.
I don't want to mess up on the money as a startup, but I don't want to hurt the business.
What do I do?
This is such a James Sexton.
He literally just talked about this.
It's so unfair.
If my two business partners get a marriage or they go into a marriage, I will require them.
No offense.
Hey, listen, Grant Miguel, if you're listening to this, you have to get a prenup.
You cannot, if you go through something, now one-sixth of my business is owned by your wife.
That is never going to fucking happen, bro.
You're putting these people in a messed up situation.
And that's the reason why, like I was saying, like Jim Sexton brought this up.
And it was a huge revelation for me because you've seen this.
When the Dodgers, you remember the owner of the Dodgers, the married couple, they split up.
They had to sell the Dodgers because of it.
This terrible situation.
Same thing with the Clippers.
You'll see this situation happen.
NBA owners or NFL owners will get a divorce and they have to sell the team.
No, you're not putting my business partners and my employees through that.
Absolutely got to do something about it.
This is why in business, never, and I repeat, never do it with someone that's a blue pill.
As a result, you're fucked.
Yeah, real talk, bro.
I mean, I've said this before.
We had a talk with this when we had Andrew Tate in them here.
When all of us were here, actually.
Mike wasn't here yet.
But we talked about not getting into business with simps.
And the reason why, guys, is because, quite frankly, if your buddy or your business partner has to ask his wife for permission, like, what the fuck is going on here, right?
Like, there's something off here.
Oh, yo, let me just run that by my wife.
That's the pussiest thing I've ever heard in my fucking life, bro.
If it's business, if it's some shit that needs to be done or whatever, I'm not asking my girl shit.
My wife, I don't give a fuck.
I'm the man.
I lead.
You fucking follow.
If it's off to a cliff, then off we fall.
But it is what it is.
I'm never gonna fucking sit there and be like, let me ask my wife for permission or whatever.
You don't want to do business with those fucking guys.
Furthermore, she can leave.
Yeah.
It'll be way more.
Like, hell nah, man.
So yeah, dude, definitely get that squirt away, man.
Get that fucking squirt away.
And don't go into business with fucking simps, man.
Holy shit.
Yeah, bro.
Because he's gonna go off of what his wife says.
So it's not him running the business, it's his wife.
Yeah.
Get on your knees.
100 bucks.
Goes, fresh and fit.
Love y'all.
You have two options.
A man girl who's a church girl and a virgin or a 304 and attractive.
You must choose.
P.S. Chris, your funniest fuck.
Shout out to Mo.
A man girl who's a church girl and a virgin?
So church girl, virgin, or a hoe that's attractive?
Church girl all day.
I don't understand the question.
No, so he's putting the two together.
One is not attractive, but she's a virgin.
She's not attractive.
One is attractive, but she's a hoe.
A single, being single.
How much of a hoe are we talking about?
Grand Theft Auto 6.
We said 304.
Grand Theft Auto 6.
I'll find me a girlfriend on GTA 6.
Yeah.
That's a tough one, kind of.
Bro, 100%.
Bro, I will happily give away one or two SMB points for not being a whore any day, bro.
Any fucking day.
Every man wants a slut.
He just wants it to be his slut.
You know what it is?
It's that, and I've said this before, and I want to say this one more time.
A lot of you guys haven't been with a really attractive girl before, a 9 or a 10.
Let me tell you what dating a 9 or a 10 is like.
They're narcissists.
They're solipsistic.
Every time they pass by a mirror, they need to stop and look at things.
They take some hours to get ready.
Upkeep is extremely expensive.
They're always getting extensions.
They're always getting their nails done.
Social media.
Their clothing is expensive.
Social media is how they live.
They literally live for the internet.
They're always taking pictures, etc.
Like, bro, I don't think you guys understand what it's like.
And I'm not talking about the fucking ugly Becky in your town that is the hottest girl in high school.
No.
I'm talking about a bitch that she's internationally attractive.
If you brought her to Miami, she would be able to actually stand a chance here.
If you brought her to Vegas, she'd be able to stand a chance here.
I'm not talking about your regional fucking, she's an eight in your town, but she comes over here, she's a fucking four.
I'm talking about really hot girls that get paid for their fucking looks.
If you're in a relationship with them, I'm telling you, ask any guy that's been with a 9 or 10 before.
They will tell you, it's a fucking headache, and a lot of the time, it's not worth it.
Also, just a little news flash for you guys, they don't have any personal skills!
They don't have any personal development, because since the time they were young, they've been on pageants maybe, they've been very attractive, etc.
Everything has been given to them because they're beautiful.
That's not what you want, bro.
That is not what you want.
They're entitled to another degree.
And it's until you date one of these girls that you will know what it is.
And everybody in the chat that's been with one always agrees with me.
It's the fucking losers that have never been with one.
That's not true, bro.
They just didn't meet the right one.
She probably wasn't a 9 or a 10 then, motherfucker.
I would argue it's better to build her up from the bottom up.
Yes.
So you get her as a 6 or a 5.
If you can, get her a 7.
And then if she's loyal, she's down with you.
There's no such thing as a turnkey relationship.
Because at that point...
You said the BBL and the boob job.
No, because think about it.
We all want that girl.
But with the loyalty.
Yeah.
But to get that off rip, it's hard to find.
Yeah, for sure.
So if you can find her down below in the gutter, build her up, man.
And then get her the BBL. But once again, she must deserve it.
She must earn it.
And be loyal to you.
Have respect.
That's the only way you can do it.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I don't know.
What are your guys' takes on this, on nines and tens?
I want a nine that has insight.
Hmm rare and that has genuine desire so much so that she'll She'll leave her family and change her religion and do a ride or die Oh, yeah, it's gonna be easier to get them to submit too That's nothing with the nines that said that they have so much opportunity and they've lived life on easy mode for so much that it's very difficult for them to To be with a guy that, like, can put them in their place consistently is very difficult and weird for them.
What I said just now, if you're a real player, you know what I mean.
Because if you don't understand women, that's the same thing, but it's not.
Because a girl that deserves it, that actually works towards it to serve you, bro, you want to bless her, bro.
You want to.
Fresh, fresh.
Is she a compliment?
I know what you like, so I get it.
Is she a compliment to your life?
Yes.
Let's see, is she the focus of your life?
No.
You put up the boundaries and then you date multiple nines and tens if you can and then the one that acquiesces to, hey, this is how things are going to be.
I'm going to have a logical conversation about where we're going to go in the direction and you're going to let me.
If you can stand them, multiple nines and tens, that's a headache.
You're going to let me lead.
There's not going to be any situation.
I'm going to lead in this situation.
If they allow it, you're going to have some that don't.
Authority is presumed.
You can have sex with them.
And then there's the one that actually listens to what you have to say.
And you found her in a farm in Arkansas.
Miss you, baby.
I'll be home tomorrow, buddy.
Here you go.
I love you, daddy.
My girlfriend, I've met her.
She's 20 years old.
She's from Frog Level, Arkansas.
There you go.
Frog Level.
Um...
Not on the internet.
There you go.
Nochilwiener goes, banged my ex four months ago into her marriage.
Do the hofax, gents.
Goddamn.
Yeah, bro.
You banged her into her marriage.
Yeah, into her new marriage.
Into her marriage.
But you know, she doesn't like her.
That's an example of a girl that's just getting married to just placeholder fiancé.
We all know a girl that still loves us today, whether they get married, they get a boyfriend, One phone call away.
Hey, I'm pulling up.
It's a wrap.
Sorry, dude.
Alpha Widow.
It's depressing when you come across that.
Yeah.
But the scary part is, what if that's your girl and you don't know?
Yeah, you don't know.
Eh, fucker.
You know.
You'll know.
Trust me.
We work with bikini pageants and modeling agencies.
The girls will talk.
And the information that I get on these other women, it's like I feel like I'm a member of the CIA. It is kind of a cheat code.
Do you guys remember General Petraeus?
He was the head of the CIA and he had to step down because he was cheating on his wife.
That was one of the things.
It was a conflict of interest.
So he had to step down as director of the CIA. Other spy agencies will use women to get information out of Assets does that make sense?
So when you have when you when you around a bunch of these girls you're gonna hear this dude's talking shit about you You're gonna find out what all and then you'll hear the girls like straight-up brag about I'm dating this guy and just suck this other guy's dick earlier We just had that on our show.
Yes, they get so comfortable on our show They start like snitching on themselves.
I'm like you do realize we're on the air right that is the only benefit I could see that's tangible.
I'll be I'll be cool with girls That's one bit of legacy.
I love being in a hot tub and they just have a cup of tequila and they just start telling the truth and you're like, keep going.
It's incredible.
Some spy shit.
Oh, okay.
Worst Generation.
What if you sin for a good cause?
An extreme example would be like...
Come on, bro.
Sin is sin, man.
None of us are without sin, bro.
So, I mean...
Okay.
Cobra Khan.
Dante Stallone.
Wait, no.
We've got 50, right?
Yeah.
Read it.
Okay.
Dante Stallone wants to fight Zerka.
Sly's youngest brother.
He's a badass fighter.
He's all ready to reach out.
Zerka's open with Stallone versus Zerka.
Legit undercard would be interesting.
Okay.
Come to Vegas.
We'll set it up.
If BMO goes, great show, guys.
W. Michael, do you guys think...
No, we did one already.
No, I've read that one.
We did one already.
Yep, did that one too.
Come on, ninjas.
Stop fucking up.
W. Tate, W. F. and F. What the hell?
Is that Chris?
Shout out to a female.
I just got here.
I just got here.
What's going on?
Thank you for a platform, Rolo.
How would you recommend men who are not interested in sleeping with lots of women get to navigate this dating market without multiple women?
Bro, good luck.
Good luck, bro.
Bro, like, you know, because this guy always, like, he's actually one of the people that complain about my 50 thing.
Bro, adapt to the new fucking normal.
Here's the thing, you know what it is?
What's your threshold, bro?
Is it 1?
No, there's no threshold.
Is it 10?
Is it 100?
This is what it is.
This is what it really fucking is.
And you gotta call a spade a spade sometimes.
You're a fucking pussy, your sexual market value is low, and you don't want to do the work required to increase it.
Yep.
That's what the fuck it is.
And you don't want to learn the skill set of what it takes to be attractive.
That's what it is, dude.
That question alone proves to me, you don't get any girls.
Yeah.
And you don't understand girls at all.
Yeah, you don't fuck.
It wouldn't be an issue.
Here's the other thing too.
Men are...
We make fun of women all the time about being delusional.
Men are delusional too.
Yeah, we are.
Ah, bro.
I'm not going to cold approach because X, Y, Z. Or nah, I'm on my monk mode right now.
Or nah, blah, blah, blah.
No fap.
All this other shit.
Like, dudes are delusional too.
You guys are so fucking scared of rejection that you are willing to sit there, right?
And like I told you before, boxing match.
Hope it works out.
Eventually find a girl that you like.
You go ahead and you walk down the aisle like an idiot.
Marry her.
Next thing you know, you're in that fucking boxing match that I talked about.
And you get fucked up because you did not do the prerequisite training and the reps required to go ahead and learn how to tango with this chick.
Bro.
Legit.
I was super skinny.
Had a way worse stutter than before.
And I said, you know what?
Shut up.
I had to physically do the pain of getting rejected multiple times.
But you know what?
That experience taught me so much.
After that experience, I gained confidence.
And with confidence came skills.
And with skills came experience.
And as a result, When I was done, bro, I'm the man I am today.
But again, people don't want to go through experience because they don't want to get hurt and pain.
Rejection is the biggest reason why so many guys puss out when it comes to girls and not wanting to deal with women.
It's like they're really scared of rejection.
But what I'm telling you is that it's going to come, bro.
You could be the biggest Chad ever.
You're still going to get rejected.
80-90% of the time.
And you're doing everything perfect.
Some girls are just going to reject you simply because they want to.
Or you're not their type.
Or maybe they're just having a bad fucking day.
Bro, it just happens.
You've got to stop being a bitch.
Like, yo, accept the fact that you're going to get rejected, man.
It is what it is.
My biggest attractor is every single time they say, this 50 thing is crazy, blah, blah, blah.
You guys, a lot of the times, are fucking pussies and don't want to do the work.
That's what it comes down to.
That's what it is.
Sterling, what did you think when he said 50?
What did you think?
When the first time you heard it?
I thought that was reasonable.
Because I was like, you know, it took me about that a little bit more to get to that point, but that's why I said it.
So I thought, if I lived in Brickell, yeah, for sure.
I was like 50 and Brickell would be like a Waco, Texas 29.
You know what I'm saying?
Just Because there's some hoflation.
There's more space between the women.
I'm thinking there's some cities where I don't know how a guy in Des Moines can get to 50, but if he can...
I want to know how a kid in Brazil can get to 1,600.
Because you include both sides.
I said that.
I'm asking for a friend.
Michael, the way I got to it was I just started traveling a bunch.
Yeah, so if you travel a bunch, you're gonna accidentally do 50.
Accidentally do 50.
What I'm saying is like for some of these guys, I was like, it's not that 50 was too much.
I was like how some of these guys I'm wondering like how you can get to 50 if you live in like San Francisco and the women are all hideous.
Like what do you do there?
I mean, you still learn the basics, the skill set, you know what I mean?
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
I agree with you, I'm just saying that.
Well, I guess I'm still a blue pill simp because my notch count as public knowledge is 41 before I'm MMO, so 42.
And you know what's funny is like then that the CDC said like a blowjob is now, it counts as things, so I'm like, now I gotta reassess.
Well, remember, hoflation has changed things significantly.
And I mean, here's how I did it.
I played in the Hollywood metal scene from about 89 till about 94.
That's how that happens.
The reason why I came up with that number is because, yo, anyone that goes to college, right?
A bunch of you guys here probably maybe have a bachelor's degree, whatever, bro.
And a lot of women go to college.
College is dominated by females now.
Bro, a girl can rack up 50 in a fucking year easy.
Easily.
I've seen girls get 20 in a semester.
I made that public knowledge one time when I was on Pat Campbell's terrestrial radio show.
And I said, yeah, I'm 41.
Because it wasn't a big deal to me.
I was very upfront about it.
I've always been very upfront about it.
And everyone in the studio was like, you could hear this collective gasp.
Like, oh my god, you're a man whore.
And I'm like, I know guys that are in triple and quadruple digits.
Yo, that's nothing nowadays.
A lot of them have so much access and freedom.
Dude, Fly on the wall.
I'm sitting there with this girl, right?
We're cool as fuck.
I already did my thing with her.
And her friends are just talking.
I'm just saying, like, this can't be real life.
Dude, she's texting a guy because she's on a period, but she wants the experience, so she's going to fuck him.
And I'm like, bro, this is one...
That's one text message.
Yeah, dude.
There's another one.
Oh, um...
We were at this club, whatever, met this basketball player, and then we were fucking the whole team.
I'm just like, these are college girls, bro.
And once again, body count over the moon because, again, access.
And it's girls that are young.
And not only that, guys, college for a lot of girls is an excuse.
To do drugs and fuck off for four years.
Why do you think women major in a bunch of stupid-ass degrees, dude?
They don't have to be college, man.
I sat on this show in the old studio, and I was sitting by this girl who was 19 years old, and you guys were talking about body count, and she was 19, and she said she had like a 25 body count.
At 19, I was like, easy.
And that's just what she remembers, man.
And the one she counts.
It's fucking crazy to me, man.
Some of you guys, when I say 50, I say 50 is a good number before you get married and people get mad at me.
Mind you, I'm saying you should be 35 years old as well.
And they're like, that's too high or you're promoting degeneracy, blah, blah, blah.
You know what, man?
I'd rather you be a degenerate maybe for a period of your time and understand female nature than you go in as a fucking goody two-shoe good boy thinking the Bible's going to save you and you get fucking destroyed.
That's what I prefer.
Because I'll tell y'all this.
You guys are playing by the set of rules that they don't play by anymore.
Guess what?
People were degenerates before this show started.
People were into all of doing high body counts when I was at the fucking metal scene back in the 90s, okay?
Trust me on this.
We're at a club there in Philadelphia.
Some guys came to our table as well.
And she texted the girl like, hey, should we fuck them too?
I'm like, what the fuck, bro?
It's crazy, bro.
It's crazy.
I just don't, like, anytime people get mad at me for that, I'm just like, bro, you have no fucking clue of modern women, bro.
If you're really enough fighting me on this, you have zero fucking clue how women move in 2023.
You're a fucking idiot.
You're a fucking idiot.
You're lost, bro.
Like, why are you even watching this podcast?
Like, honestly, like, go fucking watch some, like, female podcast where they're talking about some bullshit.
Go watch Call Her Daddy, bro.
I don't fucking.
Go watch H3. Go watch one of these losers.
Go watch Hassan talk about feminism and all this other bullshit.
Like, bro, why the fuck are you even watching our shit?
Get the fuck out of here, man.
Like, I'm tired of fucking faggots coming over here complaining about shit, man.
I agree.
Goddamn, man.
Yeah, it's fine.
Yeah, it's fine.
It can't be helped, bro.
Yeah, it can't be helped.
Hey, FNF, I've been with this particular woman for a week, but she asked me why I'm not available enough for her when I told her I'm on my grind.
What do I do to make sure she stays?
Keep doing what you're doing.
You're doing it.
Don't change the thing, bro.
She asked you the question.
Don't change anything.
That's a good sign.
Keep doing what you're fucking doing, bro.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think boom.
RP Mentor Tokyo Channel goes, my hypothesis on women's inflated sense of value.
Research has shown that dark tried men have lower standards for short term mates than regular men, but higher for long term.
By this, a three sleeps with a DT7 and shifts her standards.
This is true.
Yes, because what ends up happening is she shifts her standards to the highest status guys that she's able to have sex with.
That's what ends up happening.
What else do we got here?
These wack-ass streamers are sadly turning Miami into the new L.A. What'd I just say?
A bunch of weak, low-T betas.
Bro, you know the problem?
They're gonna come to Miami.
Fuck it up.
I guarantee you, bro.
Because they're fucking clout-chasing antics, bro.
It's gonna fuck up Miami.
Welcome to Vegas, guys.
Bro.
Wish Kevin Samuels was a part of this.
Can you soundboard Woof Woof when taps in his honor?
I'm a PhD.
Okay.
Men and women are better together and you are teaching us how.
Thank you, men.
Thanks, Chris.
Sorry, Paso Bros.
Even Southeast Asia girls dancing in tin roof shacks are acting westernized because they get like 50k likes on their TikTok.
It's over.
Better get your shit together.
Guys.
You can't really escape hypergamy no matter where you go.
Literally.
So I just talked with my friend Kevin in Columbia, and he was saying, literally bro, girls that would have been regular girls are good for marriage and good for like, you know, a husband.
Yeah.
Because the TikTok are now fucked up.
And this could happen anywhere in a row.
It's only going to get worse too.
Dubai, Columbia, wherever you want to go.
Mexico, TikTok, bro?
Fuck the whole world up, bro.
I swear to God.
Bro, the body counts are only going to go up.
The hypergamy is only going to get stronger.
I love it that these dudes are out here like, bro, we need to bring traditional values back.
But it's not fucking coming back, man.
It's a fucking rap.
You think women fought for 60 plus years with feminism?
To go backwards to making sandwiches in their eyes?
No!
Fuck out of here!
And the hitmen anyway!
Yeah, bro, they're not changing shit, man!
Did you guys not see that Democrat almost was elected, the OnlyFans contestant?
What was her name?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Forget her name.
She was leading in her primary.
Or she was leading, what was it, the 75th District?
I can't remember who it was.
Somebody could put it in the chat.
But she was leading it early in the day, and she just barely lost.
I said this less than a year ago.
A woman on OnlyFans will be elected to public office.
Wow.
That is how the Overton window is shifting so far to the left.
I believe it.
And that's why women should only get 50% of the vote.
Another controversial take.
I genuinely think...
Here's the thing.
Not everyone should be voting, right?
This goes for men, too.
A lot of men are fucking idiots and shouldn't be voting either.
However, since men are automatically draftable thanks to the Selective Service Act, right?
And they can be fined or go to jail for not doing so.
Men's votes...
A woman's vote should be about 50% of a man's.
Unless she has public service or she has some type of property.
She has some...
How do I say this?
Skin in the game.
Thank you.
She has some skin in the game where she will vote more intelligently because she has skin in the game.
The problem is that women don't have any skin in the game and they're able to vote.
What the fuck do they do?
They typically vote Democratic.
They vote for a communitarian standpoint.
Everyone gets a dollar, all this other bullshit.
And we end up...
And they go off emotions.
Oh!
We need to put Hillary in because I just don't like Donald Trump!
What the fuck?
You should be voting on their policies, not on their personalities.
Because she's a woman.
We live in a time where right is wrong and wrong is right.
Which is crazy, bro.
Fucking clown world, bro.
You're never taking the vote away from women.
The only thing you can do is you can come up with reforms.
You can add to it.
You're not going to subtract from it.
People are saying repeal the 19th.
Guys, it's never happened, bro.
Great, you're right.
Repeal the 19th.
Tell me how we do that.
Tell me how that happens.
Show me what happens.
Please tell me what your fucking plan is once the resolution is over.
Because I'm still waiting for somebody to give me that.
It's never going to happen.
The closest thing, even me saying they should get 50% of the vote is fucking extreme.
You know what I mean?
That ain't even going to happen.
But I genuinely think since they're not involved in selective service, they should not get a full vote.
Unless you want to put them in selective service.
But then again, I don't think women should be in combat positions, period.
I think women need to be protected, and quite frankly, they're not fit for combat.
And they do dumb shit.
Y'all see some of these soldiers from a certain country fucking doing TikTok dances?
What the fuck?
In a war zone?
Like, what the fuck is going on, dude?
Like, you're literally in a war doing TikTok dances with all your tag gear on.
You're a fucking idiot.
Incredible!
Alright, where we at here?
Chris, you were in the show, bro?
Yeah.
Are you ready?
Are you ready?
Let's go!
Let's go!
It's okay.
Yes, we're caught up.
Alright, we're caught up.
Cool.
Guys, we'll give you all the last word.
Last thoughts.
We're going to infund you guys.
Well, you guys can find Rolo and I will be on the 16th.
We're doing another episode of Access Vegas.
We have several charities that I'm hosting in the next couple weeks.
We're raising money for animal rescue and for homeless children in Los Angeles if you guys want to hit me up.
And then if you guys are interested in learning more about my program, just go to moamentoring.com or you can watch my incredibly offensive podcast, the Michael Sartain Podcast, where we discuss incredible, disgusting topics like evolutionary psychology.
You can find me, of course, at The Rational Mail.
You can also find me on, let's see, Twix, I guess.
I don't always call it X or Twitter yet, so I call it Twix.
I am Roald Tomasi at Rational Mail.
And also you can pick up all of my books on, there we go, on Amazon.
That's actually my profile page right there, so you can pick them all up right there.
And let's see, I also do my own podcast, as you guys know, 1pm Pacific, 4pm Eastern, every Sunday.
It's The Rational Mail.
Nice.
Love you.
You can find me at SterlingCooper.com.
You can also type in Sterling Cooper onto YouTube.
I'm the first thing that comes up.
And on Instagram, I'm also at Sterling Cooper.
You're also at...
Slut.
Slut, yeah.
A lot of discussions, man.
Hope you guys enjoyed that one, man.
We got the girls coming in.
We're definitely going to hit them with some falcon points.
Oh, and I think I'm unbanned on Twitter.
Let me look here.
All right.
Let me see here.
I'm going to check right now for you on Ninjas.
Wait, you unbanned?
Unplugged Fit X on...
Oh, yeah!
I'm re-banned.
It's fully re-banned.
Functional.
Hey, what are you lit?
Re-banned.
We're in here.
All right.
I'm going to be back with some girls right now.
I'm scared about what I'm going to tweet, but don't worry about that fat piece of shit.
Alright guys, we're going to be back here.
Yeah.
Call it.
Yeah.
Chris.
Call it.
10.30ish.
Maybe sooner-ish.
Hopefully sooner.
Yes, please.
All right.
All right, cool.
We'll get going here, and we're going to have all three of them on the panel, man.
It's going to be a great show.
Go get some fight lessons from John Fitch.
It's going to be a two-part show, guys.
We're going to have our entertainment aspect, and then we're also going to have a debate aspect that's more intellectual.
So we'll catch you guys back there.
And yes, real quick, chat.
My real name is Walter.
I'm proud of it.
Wow, they figured you out.
What the fuck?
Why are they roasting your real name?
I don't know.
I love it.
You have to quit now.
They find my name out, I have to quit.
They find yours out, you gotta quit.
Yeah, I mean, it's public knowledge, bro.
Sterling, once they figure out who you really are, then you gotta quit.
Guys, do me a favor, man.
I don't know why.
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Okay?
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