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Aug. 2, 2023 - Fresh & Fit

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Sartain & Waller Discuss Visiting Andrew Tate, NEW Trump Charges, UFOs & MORE!

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	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Fresh Your Podcast.
	We're joined with two special guests, Michael Sertain and Justin Wallace.
	Get into it!
	way.
	Let's go.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Fresh Fit Podcast, man.
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	I'll probably do an episode for you guys maybe next Monday or next Tuesday on FedReacts to make up for lost time because I owe y'all a stream.
	And then go get my book, Why Women Deserve Less.
	But anyway, guys, we got two special guests in the house.
	Without further ado...
	Welcome back, guys.
	Hey, what's going on, man?
	For those that might not know, can you guys introduce yourselves?
	I'm Michael Sartain.
	I run Men of Action Mentoring.
	It's a course I have.
	I'm a former U.S. military officer.
	I flew special ops for five years, and then I did some counterintel work for about two years.
	I worked in the signature management offices.
	So I did that for a while, and then I moved to Las Vegas.
	I started hosting a bunch of events, and I host the three biggest bikini competitions in the world, and I coach MOA Mentoring.
	I've been to one.
	Horrible time.
	Horrible time.
	We had to judge the Playboy bikini competition.
	It's a tough life, man.
	Yep.
	Jay Waller, you know where to find me.
	YouTube, Jay Waller, Waller7J on Twitter.
	And I actually have a new telegram room, kind of like you guys.
	I'm in it.
	I'm in your telegram room.
	Are you?
	Yeah.
	So I'm putting stuff on there that I might not say online or I might not show anywhere else.
	So it's good, man.
	I've really enjoyed it.
	I think it's up to like 20K already.
	Nice.
	Yeah, man.
	It's really good.
	And it's free.
	It is free.
	It is free.
	And kind of some behind the scenes stuff.
	Me at my house, stuff like that.
	Nice.
	On job site stuff.
	Well, let me say this real quick.
	We have a new school server.
	I don't know if you guys know who Cole Gordon is.
	He's one of the greatest sales trainers in the whole country.
	He got me onto this new app called School.
	We use it instead of Discord.
	So you can mix Kajabi with Discord.
	So you can put like a coaching program on there.
	And so we have a free school server.
	And this show that we're doing right now is on my school server.
	So if you join my free school server, we give you a schedule for every single thing that I do.
	And then when Justin comes and visits, you know, also the stuff that he does.
	Nice.
	Nice, man.
	I like it.
	So, guys, it's been a while since we've had you guys on.
	It might more recently, but Justin, it's been a while for you, man.
	I know you just were in Romania hanging out with the Tate brothers.
	What was that like, man?
	What's new with you?
	Bro, you know, it's weird because people ask me what it's like to hang out with the guys.
	It's like...
	It'd be like if we were hanging out.
	Yeah.
	I was talking shit.
	We were all talking shit, telling jokes that we shouldn't be saying or couldn't say here, you know, and making fun of each other and just being guys.
	Yeah.
	You know, now I will tell you, you know, we talked about business, but that's not that's not even, you know, something that would surprise you.
	I tell you this, though.
	It was really fun hanging with Tucker all day.
	Oh, no, you were there when you was there.
	Yeah, I was there when Tucker was there.
	We're sitting around smoking cigars with Tucker Carlson.
	All the things that we were talking about before the camera came on, bro, sit down with Tucker Carlson for five hours and talk about the state of things.
	It was really, really interesting.
	I learned a lot from it.
	Yeah, man.
	It makes you look at things in a different light.
	Yeah, for sure.
	I can't imagine what he knows behind the scenes that he doesn't see on camera.
	Oh, yeah.
	I can't imagine.
	Like, I felt like a fly on the wall, you know, like getting like some inside stuff.
	Dude, it's fucking Tucker Carlson, you know?
	No, I'm not saying he was talking badly about America or anything.
	I would never say that, but it's just like how things actually work.
	Yeah.
	Very, very interesting hearing his insight on the world and from not only like, you know, where America is, but like on a geopolitical level, how he understands it and what he knows, you know, it's interesting.
	It's funny, as a creator, you say things online, right?
	That's your only level of intelligence, but you got to hold back because if you don't hold back, then they know your whole card, so...
	That, and it's like you get your ass in trouble, man.
	There's things I'm going to think just about what I know we're going to talk about today.
	I'm just like, don't say it.
	Even with my coaching program, I turn the recording off.
	Whenever we have a guy come on there and we talk about something that's sensitive, or if someone wants to talk about, hey, he's going through a divorce battle.
	Often, whenever there's a custody battle, one of my clients is going through a divorce thing, we always turn the recording off specifically for this reason.
	Because people can get a hold of your content and then misconstrue it.
	We're seeing it today with Andrew.
	They're pulling clips from like 10 years ago from a course saying, oh yeah, look at this.
	This is evidence of such and such.
	And at the same time, the other thing we all have to recognize is that once you're doing a million a month, you have to take everything down that you did.
	You have to make the decision.
	It was PBD who actually said this when Sneeko got canceled.
	He was like, at some point, I have the responsibility to all of my employees to say, am I going to go full Bore and probably get us knocked off of some of these social media platforms, or am I going to pull back, kind of set, talk around the periphery of what I want to talk about, but still keep these people employed?
	And now I've got 22 people working for me.
	I see different responsibilities as far as what I'm allowed to say because my partners are like, hey man, we got to stay away from this because it hurts the business and it might hurt the channel.
	So that's one of the issues you always have to deal with as a content creator.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, coming from mainstream media, of course, you know, he understands that there's a game that you got to play.
	Has he come out and, like, given the full story of what ended up, like, with him and Fox?
	No, right?
	He kind of gave, like, a surface level thing, like, there was some allegation about misogyny or some bullshit like that, and they parted ways, but he never gave the full-on thing, right?
	What you doing here?
	Yeah, but you know what?
	I think a part of his contract is he can't talk about it.
	He can't say it.
	So, you know, it is what it is, but we know how the mainstream media works.
	And, you know, he was probably one of their only reporters that was actually digging for the truth.
	I knew he was pretty based when, I'll never forget, there was a clip that came out November of last year, the anniversary of John F. Kennedy's assassination.
	That'd be the 23rd of November, I believe.
	22nd.
	22nd, yeah.
	So he ends up getting these declassified CIA documents, and he basically says it straight up, like on Fox.
	Yeah, the CIA had a hand, and the death of John F. Kennedy.
	Now, right, these types of circuits with alternative media, everyone knows that it was an inside job to some degree with a bunch of organized crime, whatever.
	But for someone from mainstream media to go ahead and say, oh yeah, it was an inside job, I mean, that's a big step.
	And I think that's why so many people like him and why he was able to maintain such relevancy at Fox, despite the fact that mainstream media has been dying the past, I would say, five to ten years.
	Yeah, a thousand percent.
	I'll tell you another thing that I've seen.
	So I've been hanging out with Buck Sexton.
	I'm a big fan of Buck Sexton.
	Clay Travis have the biggest radio show in America.
	They took over for Rush.
	And then last night, I ate dinner with a guy named Gio Codwell.
	He also does a lot of stuff on Fox.
	Between those two and Tucker, all of them say that Hannity is the only one left that's not woke.
	They say Hannity's a G, and everybody else is kind of not.
	Just not with it.
	I like this interview that he did with Trump.
	And actually, we'll talk about that here in a bit with the Trump situation.
	How is Andrew's psyche?
	They're built for war, dude.
	They are built for war.
	They are doing business as usual.
	Like, bro, we sit around, we make jokes with each other about what's going on because it's so blatantly obvious that they're innocent.
	They know they're innocent.
	So much so, it's not even a subject that I couldn't make a joke at them about.
	Like, I could call them a name that has something to do with something they're accused of.
	We would all laugh because it's so asinine that they're even being charged with it.
	You know what I loved was the PVD interview where he talked about how Tristan would have been upset if he wasn't locked up with Andrew.
	He's like, I'm here.
	And he talked about, I have the best brother in the world.
	Oh, a thousand percent.
	I mean, obviously it's better to not get locked up, but they found so much positive in what happened to them and the connection.
	I'll tell you this right now, I'm closer to my brother now because of what I saw, me becoming friends.
	Andrew and I would message every once in a while, but watching the example that he and Tristan had, I actually started to try to repair the relationship between me and my brother specifically from watching this.
	About a thousand percent, man.
	It's very infectious what they have.
	And I'll tell you another thing about that week I spent with them.
	I went in the gates, I don't know, 11, 12 o'clock at night.
	I did not leave the gates for an entire week.
	Wow.
	We never left the gates.
	Wow.
	Just order food in and everything, right?
	Well, yeah, there's food, hookah, there's massage people, there's chefs.
	We ate every meal together.
	We smoked prison cigarettes together.
	We sat there and made jokes with his mom.
	His mom came in for a couple of days.
	All of his buddies from the old fight gym were there, Marcel.
	Everybody was there, man.
	It was just a big family event.
	The timing I came in was perfect, man, because I already know his mother.
	I've taken his mother to lunch in London a few times while he's been out.
	You know, it was just a family affair, man.
	People get Andrew wrong.
	People think that it's not a family thing.
	It is a family thing.
	He's actually a very, very, very family-based man, and he does believe in love, and he believes in family and friendship, man.
	That's why he's got guys he's been with for 20 years out there sparring with him that don't have a penny to rub together to get there.
	In fact, I'm pretty sure he paid to fly all them over just so they could spend that week with him.
	Wow.
	That's great.
	That's the things that the cameras don't see.
	They see the smart side of them, the intelligent side, maybe the side that gets a little loud every now and then, but I can tell you, There's an environment around that family that's very inspiring pro-family.
	That's dope.
	I enjoy it myself.
	That's awesome.
	I'm glad that they're holding up well and doing well.
	At the end of the day, we all know it's fucking bullshit.
	We saw that indictment.
	It was hilarious, bro.
	To see what they put in there about Andrew, it's all cat, bro.
	It's crazy.
	TikTok and all sorts of bullshit.
	That's where we're in now, man.
	It's scary for any guy that...
	Has some type of affluence or money or whatever that they can literally come back and make false allegations on you.
	And this is what you end up with.
	And it's just wild to me because, you know, if they could do that to Andrew, who has the resource and money to fight to defend himself, imagine someone.
	They could drown anybody else.
	Yeah, they could drown anybody else.
	You made a good point earlier.
	You got to watch your step because if you don't watch your steps.
	This is one of the things I specifically coach is that, guys, you need to never snitch on yourself.
	You guys need to start using Facebook secret.
	If you want to have a conversation, you need to use some other apparatus.
	Pick whatever you want.
	Cyber dust.
	I don't care what it is.
	But you need to not leave these trails behind because you saw that there was a voice memo that they used with Andrew.
	It was completely taken out of context.
	You pointed this out where it was on WhatsApp.
	And then later on, it literally says, if I consent to it, then you can't grate me.
	Do you remember this?
	But they leave that part out, which completely puts the voice memo into context.
	And I explain to guys, like, so for instance, let's say you're going back and forth with a girl on Instagram.
	She can unsend all of her messages.
	It looks like you messaged her 15 times.
	She screenshot that and send it to her friends.
	I tell you guys, if a girl sends you nudes right back, go with God.
	Do not send pictures back.
	If she wants a dick pic, she can come to your place and find it online.
	Like, that's the thing.
	You can't stick your penis through the phone, right?
	Stop escalating on the phone, because they're just going to use it.
	It's never going to help you.
	It's always going to just hurt you.
	And the opposite is, the other day, some dude was starting beef with me.
	I was in a nightclub in Los Angeles.
	I handed my girlfriend my phone, and I was like, I need you to record everything.
	So the opposite for you.
	Record everything that happens around you.
	I was like, I need this guy to punch me first.
	I can't hit him first.
	He's got to punch me first.
	So it's like one of these situations where you have to be careful of what you put out there because everyone else is recording.
	This was in LA? Yeah, it was in LA. How did that even come about?
	It's a nightclub, and I know the owner, and I'm not going to beat some guy's ass in his club because it's very disrespectful.
	So I asked the guy to come outside, and I was like, if he comes up to my girlfriend again...
	Catch me outside, nigga!
	I'm outside and I had my girlfriend just come on, come on, come on, come on.
	And he just saw me one second.
	He saw that he didn't have any backup and he just ran off.
	And I was like, man, I wish this guy would have just at least taken a swing because I'm not going to catch a case in California for some guy just me hitting some dude.
	He's got to punch me first.
	They probably still arrest you over there, bro.
	I don't think they got to stand your For sure.
	But that's the kind of thing.
	We snitch on ourselves too much.
	Every time we write a girl, everything we write can be taken out of context.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And so that's the thing.
	That's why the greatest feature is the unsend feature on IGDM. Guys, learn to use the unsend feature.
	It is so wonderful.
	If you do that, it's like, okay, she didn't respond.
	Okay, unsend that.
	That's fine.
	People can only use it against you.
	It's never going to be used in your favor.
	So...
	We talk about rappers, you know, kind of like doing it to themselves, for example, to rap about a song, do a snitch on themselves, and then, oh shit, you told it about yourself.
	But us, as creators as well, have that same responsibility, because if you don't watch what we say, sometimes it could mess us up.
	Dude, learn how to use Vanish Mode on IG. It's so great.
	It just goes right away afterwards.
	That's such a great tip I tell guys to do.
	Yeah, Vanish Mode, you could do that, too.
	I mean, the litmus test I tell guys is, if this conversation were to get out on the internet, would it fuck you up?
	Yeah.
	Because, yeah, everyone learns from their mistakes, you know?
	Yeah, for sure.
	They think about the Jonah Hill stuff.
	It's just so completely taken out of context, the stuff he was saying.
	I like Jonah Hill way more now.
	Yeah, me too.
	For sure.
	When you reach that, in context, it was like, hey, if this is what you want, I love and respect you, but it's not for me.
	I was like, oh, what a fucking manipulative piece of shit.
	I can't believe he said that.
	It was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard.
	Jonah Hill was 100% not in the wrong for any of that shit, other than maybe picking a ratchet girl.
	He didn't do anything wrong, but they used it against him.
	And so that's the thing we as men have to understand is that they're...
	You guys notice as you make more money, girls never ask you to wear a condom.
	Am I the only one who notices?
	Is it just me?
	I'm sorry.
	Is it just me?
	Obviously, I have a girlfriend now, but like before.
	Has anybody else noticed that?
	You'll notice that.
	Hey, man.
	I'm just saying they don't ask you to.
	I'm not saying you don't do it.
	I'm just saying they don't ask.
	But there's a thing you start to notice after a while.
	And it's like, it's not that everyone's out to get you.
	It's that if this thing exists and it can only, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law, there's nothing you can say that's going to help you.
	So just don't put it out there publicly.
	It is sad, man.
	At a certain level, when you reach a certain level of status or wealth, you have to do risk management.
	It's sad, but you have to, no matter who you are.
	Look at Trump, bro.
	That's wild.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, shit, what was I going to say?
	What about you, bro?
	What's new with you?
	We've quadrupled the size of the company.
	It's been incredible, the growth.
	We have a free school server and a paid school server.
	I am doing an affiliate thing with Tai Lopez, just on stage with him the other day.
	Oh, he's back on the internet?
	Yeah, he is.
	So, he's starting up.
	He's cranking everything back up now.
	And then, what's his face?
	Bradley and I have been doing some stuff.
	I'd love to get you with Bradley.
	Bradley would be a great interview for you guys.
	I just went to a seminar with Wes Watson, and then that's when I talked to you.
	So my cohort is Dan Fleischman, who is the most...
	Every influencer in Los Angeles knows Dan Fleischman, but he's not famous.
	But whenever he has parties, everyone shows up.
	It's Dan Bilzerian-level parties.
	Fleischman, this is my buddy Hardcore Closer.
	Wes Watson, my buddy Cole Gordon, and Ty Lopez, it's just this cohort of very, very successful men, and we all help each other out.
	I've learned, I've, you know, reverse engineers, a lot of stuff they've done with their funnels and their sales, and it's just been nothing but beneficial for us.
	I can't believe, this is my first try at being a CEO of a company, and the fact that it's been this outrageously successful has just been terrific.
	And then the guests that I'm able to get on my podcast, I'm nowhere near the size you guys are, but the people who reach out to me, like you said, you asked me before about Jay Cutler.
	Jay came up to me at a party and said, I watch your podcast.
	And I was like, dude, you gotta be kidding me.
	Stuff like that has started to happen.
	Five times Mr.
	Olympia?
	Five times Mr.
	Olympia?
	It's just incredible stuff, man.
	And so that's been awesome.
	And the same thing with Bilzerian, Tai Lopez, and obviously with Rolo.
	Rolo reached out to me to do a show before I ever met him.
	I only met Rolo because of Andrew Tate.
	So those things have been absolutely incredible.
	I teach a networking course while networking, and I feel like it's a blessing every day that I get to do this thing that I love, and it gets to grow exponentially because of it.
	So we've done some pretty outrageous numbers.
	My partners don't want me to say how much money we're making, but we're doing really, really well.
	And so I'm probably going to do something in this forum for the rest of my life.
	It's a blessing, man.
	It is a blessing, man.
	And basically helping guys with, you know, understanding social circle.
	You sold a 20K paid in full.
	Oh, really?
	Yes, because you guys put an affiliate code on one of the things.
	You had a 20K paid.
	It was just the other day, dude.
	Even the Fresh and Fit stuff, you guys have helped us grow.
	It's just been absolutely great.
	The stuff that we're doing, because it works so well and I use so many testimonials, that's the reason why it's just been able to grow so fast.
	Basically, I teach a leadership course with networking and how do you show up to a club with 70, 80, 90 girls?
	How do you show up to a party with 70, 80, 90 girls?
	And he's seen it.
	One of the things I wanted is when Justin came to Vegas, I wanted to literally show him what it is that we were doing.
	I wanted him to see it firsthand.
	So that was one of the things that was awesome.
	Horrible time.
	Horrible time.
	No, it's a great way to make the move.
	You know, we talk about social circle game all the time and how it's like, you know, for a lot of times it's how people meet their girl.
	But if you're able to do it at a more elite level where you're actually able, you know, obviously we normally don't advocate you be friends with girls, but there are situations where you can have females in friendly positions that elevate your status and ability to go ahead and attract other women.
	So it's really strong social proof.
	You know how to do it right.
	The problem is that can most guys pull it off?
	No, they can't.
	That was the thing, like when Rollo and I first met, that was the big point of contention is, can men and women be friends?
	And the answer is, if you are sleeping with seven girls, and you make a bunch of money, and you have other girls in your DMs, and you have like an assistant or some girl that you're not attracted to, you can definitely be friends with women.
	But most guys don't live in that reality.
	But I will tell you, the reality of having women introducing you to women is unbelievable.
	And the reason I found that out was because I consistently had girls on my show, and I'd be like, the last five guys you slept with, how'd you meet them?
	And it was always a female friend, a female friend, a female friend, a female friend, and then Instagram.
	I was like, oh, dude, I need to reverse engineer this.
	And so that's why I have a bunch of women in my life who are constantly introducing me to women.
	There's no way.
	I had 200 girls show up to my bikini competition last year.
	There's no way for me to do that without women helping me recruit other women.
	Does that make sense?
	And you guys have IC and all these girls here that help you with this kind of thing.
	You call them the hoe wranglers.
	It's that kind of deal where there's certain...
	Huh?
	Who called him that?
	Icy told me, she said the name of the position is a home wrangler.
	Is that not correct?
	You're correct.
	That was not me, bro.
	Okay, sorry.
	I've never heard that term, but it's funny as hell.
	I'm going to start using it now.
	The point is having women, so women do three things for you.
	They calibrate you, especially if you're not used to being around other women.
	They get you invited to everything.
	You're not getting into Bilzerian's parties.
	You're not getting into the max of parties unless you're bringing 30, 40, 50 girls.
	Actually, my first drink party that I got invited to was from a girl.
	Was it?
	Yeah, there you go.
	Without her, I would not have been there.
	And then so also, a lot of my sponsors, a lot of my clients, and a lot of the people that we, whenever we throw these parties, I always am introduced to them by women.
	And so that's the reason why I say they're part of the connection.
	Also, I know this is a weird analogy, but foreign intelligence services, who do they use in order to get people to snitch?
	Women.
	They use women.
	Do you remember?
	Honey.
	You remember General Petraeus when he became the head of the CIA? Do you guys remember why he had to step down as the head of the CIA? Why?
	Because he was compromised because he was cheating on his wife with a fucking reporter.
	And that's what...
	Chinese check, right?
	I don't remember which one it was.
	But the point is, like, that's the reason why.
	I know so much about so many people because I have all these women in my life who just are telling me, dude, when dudes talk shit about me, I know in like five seconds because they're always running their mouth to try to brag to women.
	And so that's the reason why I say having this in your life is pretty beneficial.
	Do you know why?
	Guys, people talk with girls.
	The thing is cool.
	It's all culture.
	What happens is that girl says, oh, now I got you, nigga.
	And then she talks to you.
	Oh, you heard what someone said about you?
	And then before you know it, it spread out the whole town.
	You know a good song for young men to listen to is Mona Lisa by Lil Wayne.
	There we go.
	Okay.
	It talks about how she tricks this man all the way until they rob his ass and he never saw it come and he was heartbroken over it.
	Real good song.
	Lil Wayne, Mona Lisa.
	These bitches will talk, bro.
	They'll set you up if you want, bro.
	If you're allies with a beautiful woman, man, she's got power.
	Another thing about the beautiful woman thing that I really like is it's like having an alliance with a gay guy because you get immediate credibility.
	The only difference is eventually that girl, if she's friends with you, because that wall and that relationship's there, she will probably sleep with you just down the road.
	Yeah, so that's the other thing I was going to point out.
	It's like eventually most of them end up with a crush on you.
	If you just don't hit on them and you're around 20, 30 girls every night, what happens is they're curious because they're looking for validation from all these different places and they're not getting it from you and they can't figure out why.
	Yeah, and they see your girlfriend's a 10, and they see that other girls are attracted to you.
	You're like, why am I not getting this attraction?
	And then one day, it's their birthday party, and then they pull you back to there.
	Like, it's just the story after story that's happening.
	And guys, this is not crazy, but this is actual real life.
	If you're out there with girls, you're in the party scene, this does happen all the time.
	I mean, I've always said it.
	It's basically passive income on hoes.
	If you have a bunch of money already, you can invest it and you'll get a dividend, right?
	Same thing with women.
	If you have a bunch of women, what ends up happening is having all those women will give you a dividend to other chicks.
	It's the same exact situation.
	Passive bitches.
	You met...
	You met Masha Didik when we did the Fresh and Fit episode we did in Las Vegas.
	She was the Ukrainian girl sitting to my left.
	So she used to approve the girls that went to Bolzerian's parties.
	There's another girl who lives here in Miami named Bianca Gezi.
	These are girls that Dan wasn't sleeping with helping Dan Bolzerian meet other girls.
	And that's kind of where I got this...
	This idea from also, I met a bunch of club promoters and it was the same situation.
	It was like the terrific book on this.
	I would not, I don't agree with the interpretation, but I love the description.
	It's called Very Beautiful People.
	It's by a sociology professor named Ashley Mears from Boston University.
	And she goes undercover as a bottle rat for like two years.
	And she describes the models and bottles things.
	And she talks about how these club promoters use women to meet women.
	It is so specific, the thing that they do.
	And then these guys are like, they literally get to the point that they need to specifically go fuck the hottest girl to get the other girls to follow them to the club.
	But they're not even fucking her because they like her.
	They're fucking her because they got to get, they're like to lead all the girls back to the club.
	It's a fantastic book.
	I'd highly recommend it.
	But yeah, that's the other thing I learned.
	And then the other thing is like kind of backwards rationalizing like what some of the best, Dave Grutman, Jason Strauss, Noah Tepperberg, those guys who were like icons in the nightlife industry.
	What did they do?
	They got clubs full of women.
	That's what they understood is that the ratio has to be a certain way in order to make the nightlife good.
	So there's three Harvard case studies on Jason Strauss right now.
	The guy who runs Tal Hakkasan Group.
	And so, like, just going back and reverse engineering some of that stuff is what I teach in the program.
	It's been very helpful.
	The groupman story is incredible, too.
	Incredible, yes.
	I came from a security guard to working as a bartender to owning a major club, owning multiple clubs in Miami.
	Incredible.
	It's a tricky situation because you...
	The men make the money, but you can't have too much of them.
	But the girls, like, lose you money almost.
	So it's like you got to have the perfect balance of, like, just enough girls so the guys stay, but at the same time not having too many guys because then the girls leave.
	But yeah, it's a very tricky situation.
	The answer in Miami, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles are comps.
	I don't have to pay for anything.
	Because if I have 12 girls, I don't have to pay for anything.
	The club already hits me up.
	They're like, I'll do my...
	Me and Rolo will do an Access Vegas show, and we'll go to Zook, and they'll put us on stage right behind Deadmau5, and we don't pay for anything.
	They won't let us pay for anything.
	So that's a way to do it.
	Also, shout out to...
	Isn't it crazy how, like, as a guy, you have to have, like, an enormous amount of status and hookups to get things that regular girls just get for free?
	Isn't that wild?
	Even me...
	When I pull up, I'm with two or three girls all the time.
	Not because I have to, but because it helps.
	Because once again, you come up with girls, oh, he's bringing value.
	And you see how the door guys look at you.
	If you guys try to walk into Mr.
	Jones as a normal dude and watch how they just look down at you like you're fucking stupid for even trying to get into this place, right?
	But if you walk up with a bunch of girls, it's a very different inviting environment.
	So that's an exactly...
	Even dress code.
	Yes.
	They'll let it fly if you bring girls.
	Let me shout out one other thing.
	Jason Strauss and Dave Gruttman are working together with the Fountain Blue that's opening in Las Vegas and they're going to open their version of Live in Las Vegas and they're teaming up to do that.
	So that's a really, really awesome thing.
	I cannot wait for that.
	That's going to be, I believe, the beginning of the first quarter next year or maybe later on this year, I think.
	Wow.
	Nice.
	But yeah, no, I mean, social proof.
	I mean, when it comes to dealing with the most attractive women, absolutely is one of the main things that you need, you know.
	And again, it's a game that can work if you know what you're doing, but you have to obviously be talented.
	I mean, hey, if you guys want to learn, we got the link below.
	Go ahead and jump in in the MOA mentoring and Mike will teach you how to do all this.
	But it's a very nuanced game.
	You got to know what you're doing.
	And yeah, you got to operate from a place of abundance.
	I think that's very important for guys to understand is that like...
	For that strategy to work, number one, you kind of already have to have women around you, and then you've got to operate with an abundance mindset.
	If you're a guy that's like a scarcity mindset, it's not going to work because you're going to try to bang all the girls that you're friends with.
	It's going to fuck you up.
	It's going to lower your value.
	Agreed.
	And then you seem weird.
	Yeah, and then you seem like a weirdo.
	All right, cool.
	Anything I wanted to talk about before we switch over to the topic at hand?
	First topic.
	Hey, I want to say something.
	We knew you guys weren't on YouTube and we didn't give a fuck.
	We were not going to not support you just because you weren't on YouTube.
	As soon as I heard that, I was like, I don't care at all.
	Even though we're just on Rumble, I didn't want you guys to think for one second we wouldn't come on just because of this.
	I know he feels the same way I do.
	We want to support you guys no matter what.
	It kind of sucks being in YouTube, Joe, but it's kind of nice too because we're able to just say what we want to say and not to worry about stuff.
	Nah, I miss YouTube, bro.
	I miss him.
	It's marketing, bro.
	Holy.
	Yeah, no, man.
	I enjoy being able to say what we want to say without having to think twice or whatever.
	But yeah, shout out to Rumble.
	So first topic at hand, guys.
	As y'all know, former President Donald Trump was indicted yesterday for the January 6th involvement, the riots.
	And this actually comes on the heels of him being indicted again on a superseding indictment.
	So first, let's go ahead and talk about the first case.
	You guys have anything y'all want to say before I go ahead and summarize it?
	Or...
	So the first case, we're talking about specifically the indictments, or are we talking about the classified documents?
	Okay, I'll give a quick little summary.
	So first he got indicted in the state of New York, which was like unprecedented that a foreign president be indicted.
	They charged him for falsifying business records.
	That's what the whole Stormy Daniels porn star situation.
	This was the Southern District of New York, that African-American prosecutor.
	Is that the guy you're talking about?
	Yeah.
	Yes, but it's a state case, not federal.
	But it was the state of New York that did it.
	But yes, what's his name?
	Alvin Briggs, maybe?
	I know he campaigned under, we're going to get Trump.
	So they went ahead and got him for a falsifying business record.
	Long story short, he had a payoff to a porn star named Stormy Daniels.
	I interviewed her afterwards.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, I've met her because the AVN awards are always in Vegas, so she's always there.
	Really?
	Okay.
	So yeah, basically they hooked up in like 2006, 2007.
	Hush money.
	And then he paid her some hush money.
	It was like somewhere between $70,000 to $150,000 or something like that.
	His lawyer paid for it, but they used certain funds that they shouldn't have used, and they were able to kind of basically get them for using election money or campaign money.
	So the attorney said, let me handle this.
	And they ended up using election money to pay her off, which is a federal offense, I believe.
	It's like our campaign finance.
	It can be a federal offense, but that's how they were able to get them on the falsifying records because the falsifying records charge is normally a misdemeanor.
	Okay.
	But they're able to get you on a felony if it's in the furtherance of another felony.
	So I think that's how they were able to justify getting him with a felony version of a false fine business record because they're saying that this violates federal law with election laws.
	Sure.
	Right.
	And that's a very oversimplified example, guys, what I'm telling you.
	But yeah, so they were able to get him with that false fine business record.
	Right.
	So he gets indicted for that earlier this year.
	Then the big one, which is the one that I'm actually the most concerned with, which you could probably talk about this more, Mike, was they indicted him for having the classified documents.
	Yes.
	So the FBI goes ahead.
	If you guys you guys remember last year, the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago.
	And then they went ahead and indicted him for the classified documents.
	And then recently, I think like a week ago, they hit him with a superseding indictment, which basically means like an updated charge where they added more charges to the situation.
	We can pull it up real quick here, Mo.
	Let's pull up this thing on the classified stuff to kind of give you guys a summary.
	And the part that I react to it.
	Oh, go ahead.
	We'll run the clip and then we'll.
	Sure.
	So go ahead.
	And so, yeah, new charge in Trump's Mar-a-Lago classified docs case.
	Go ahead, run the clip.
	A major development tonight in one of the special counsel's investigations into former President Donald Trump.
	Trump is now facing new charges in the classified documents case.
	Now, he has already been accused of mishandling classified material and blocking the government's efforts to get them back.
	But late this afternoon, the special counsel released a superseding indictment adding three new charges and naming another co-defendant in the case.
	Guys, a superseding indictment is just a fancy way of saying a new charge, excuse me, a new set of charges from the same case.
	Like an addendum to the contract.
	Essentially, yeah, exactly.
	Go ahead.
	NBC's Laura Jarrett has all the details.
	These new counts add a charge of willful retention of national defense information.
	Mr. Trump is also charged along with his personal aide, Walt Mata, and a new defendant, Mar-a-Lago employee Carlos de la Rivera.
	Pause.
	With obstruction.
	So that's the main reason right there why they did a superseding indictment.
	They wanted to get this third guy, Alfredo, in jail.
	That's basically the main concept behind this.
	And then he would snitch on the president?
	Is that what they think?
	I think that might be a part of their strategy, to get him in to cooperate.
	And we'll talk about how he was involved here in a second.
	Go ahead, Mo, keep running.
	...conspiracy.
	The new obstruction counts are significant and based on allegations that the defendants attempted to delete surveillance footage at Mar-a-Lago in the summer of 2022.
	That third defendant, Carlos de Oliveira, was a maintenance supervisor at Mar-a-Lago.
	Also, Trump already faced 31 counts of illegally retaining national defense information.
	This new indictment as a 32nd to the list.
	It is related to a recording of the former president at Bedminster where he's discussing classified documents involving Iran.
	Well, with Millie, let me see that.
	I've got to show you an example.
	Pause.
	Alright, guys, this recording is actually very damning.
	This actually is what has me very concerned with this case.
	But I'll play it and then we can talk about it after.
	But pay attention.
	I wanted to attack Iran.
	Isn't it amazing?
	I have a big pile of papers.
	This thing just came up.
	Look.
	These are all classified documents.
	They presented me this.
	This is off the record, but they presented me this.
	This was him.
	This was the Defense Department and him.
	We looked at him.
	This was him.
	This wasn't done by me.
	This was him.
	All sorts of stuff.
	Pages long.
	Wait a minute.
	Let's see.
	I just found, isn't that amazing?
	This totally wins my case, you know?
	Except it is, like, highly...
	Oh no!
	And he said, he wanted to attack Iran, and what?
	He's in the face!
	This was done by the military, given to me.
	I think we can probably, right?
	I don't know.
	We'll have to see.
	Yeah, we'll have to try to figure out a...
	Since President, I could have declassered, but now I can't. Pause.
	Guys, that right there, bro, is literally what has me very concerned.
	So two things are going on here.
	He's admitting that he didn't declassify the documents, right?
	He's showing some national defense information.
	So even if it was classified, it wouldn't matter because it's military shit.
	It automatically falls under NDI, national defense information.
	And then the other one is that he's saying in here, yeah, it's secretive, that it's not information that people should have.
	Mind you, this woman that he's talking to is like a reporter.
	She doesn't have a clearance.
	She doesn't have a need to know.
	This is all government jargon for what's required when you share any type of document that might be sensitive in nature.
	So this is bad that they have this recording and they're absolutely going to introduce this as evidence in the investigation.
	Let me provide some context.
	So all former presidents, so right now Obama, Bush, and And Trump, they can, they receive an intelligence briefing every day.
	Even if they're private residents, George Bush lives in Dallas, Texas.
	He still receives an intelligence briefing.
	He has like a junior intelligence officer that gives it to him every day.
	There are sometimes documents that are there.
	Now, I don't know that's why he got these.
	But the thing is, it seems pretty clear that he's sort of like using this to find out information that other people said about himself.
	But he's not using like...
	I think the president of the United States, the former president, if he had gone into a skiff or gone somewhere else and, like, looked at these documents in a secret location, it would be fine.
	But you're right.
	This is incredibly damning.
	So when I heard you and Ryan Dawson say that this looks bad, I was like, this looks really bad.
	If those two guys are saying it's bad, it must be pretty bad.
	And, like, for me, right...
	charge 18 usc 793 which is you know violations of like the espionage act when you have uh documents that you shouldn't be having sure or national defense information classified information etc it was a iranian guy that was basically shipping uh fighter jet schematics over back to iran um which it wasn't classified but it was considered national defense information because military technology sure so they don't have to prove much with when it comes to this charge i That's what has me concerned because it's like all they have to prove is that it's national defense information which, I mean, clearly it is.
	Anything that's military is going to be considered.
	He didn't mention though that the war, when they went to attack Iran, he's talking about who?
	I mean, he's saying that someone else was trying to say he wanted to attack Iran.
	And he's saying whoever person X is, no, that person was saying he wanted to attack Iran.
	And here's the proof.
	That's what he was talking about.
	It was a plan to attack country A, which I think they refer to in the indictment.
	But I think the country in question is Iran.
	And this is something that his military heads had drafted up and shown to him.
	Because he was against the war, Trump.
	And then that's what he's saying.
	Like, I was right all along, blah, blah, blah.
	That's what he's referring to.
	So he went to like, I guess, he didn't want to go to work with him.
	Right.
	When you were working for the Feds, did you guys have skiffs where you had to...
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	So just for people who don't know, it's like usually four inches of concrete.
	There's a room you have to go into.
	You have to leave your cell phone outside.
	Someone has to buzz you in.
	When you go in there, there's no...
	You can't have any electronic advices.
	And did you have computers on the sippernet?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Computers, phones, you can go in there and basically look.
	Basically, think of it as a room where you can look at classified information.
	Yeah, so the reason why, you know, the Cipronet computers don't have USB ports anymore.
	And that stopped, I want to say, back in 06, 07 because of the Bradley Manning thing.
	Because of him stealing all those documents from a SuperNet computer, putting it on thumb drives or whatever.
	And that's how he got all those documents, specifically because of that.
	But the point is, the president could have actually looked at these documents.
	He's still the president of the United States.
	He still has very high clearance.
	He's a former president.
	And for those of you who don't know, former presidents are often used for, like, prisoner exchange.
	Former presidents are used as diplomats for other countries to do negotiations.
	Former presidents still have a job.
	Being the former president of the United States is still an occupation.
	And the current president, if He so chooses can ask one of the former presidents to go do something on his behalf.
	And that's why they consistently get intelligence briefings, intelligence briefings, and often current presidents will call former presidents for advice.
	That happens very frequently.
	So that's the reason why, just to put a little context on why this is happening.
	The other thing is, it's not that the president couldn't have looked at this stuff.
	He could have if he had gone to, say, maybe Andrews Air Force Base or something like that and looked in a skiff, he probably would have been able to have access to it.
	In his private residence, that's a problem.
	To a reporter, that is a problem.
	But wait!
	What about Hillary?
	Ask it a good question.
	Ask it a good question.
	Dude, you're 100% right.
	And isn't that the bigger problem here?
	Do we have a two-way system when it comes to law?
	Is it based off of who you are now?
	Or is it based off the fucking law?
	Because if it's based off the law, then shouldn't Hillary be in jail?
	We can agree that Trump is not part of the...
	He's not on the right team.
	Because of him not being on our team, he's a target.
	Let's get him out of here.
	So, yeah.
	We'll keep running the clip here.
	Basically, the reason why this is damning, guys, is because he's acknowledging that it's classified to a degree, and then he's also acknowledging that he could have classified it, but he did not, which is a power that the President of the United States does have where he can basically declassify documents.
	Let's go ahead and run it.
	Is that interesting?
	It's so cool.
	Tonight, Donald Trump reacted to the new charges saying, quote, it's election interference at the highest level.
	They're harassing my company.
	They're harassing my family.
	They're harassing me.
	The latest charges come on the very same day the grand jury investigating Trump's possible involvement in 2020 election interference met in D.C. So far, there have been no indictments in that case.
	And just so you guys know, this came out like a week ago.
	And we're going to talk about January 6th here in a second.
	Why does MSNBC keep using these ugly photos of him where he looks so unhappy?
	Use some happy photos.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Or some neutral photos.
	This is pretty obvious what you're showing here.
	Isn't it crazy?
	He is not being escorted into court right here.
	That's not what this is.
	But they're taking this photo out of context.
	But isn't it wild, right?
	Every king, man of importance, man of status, on some level, his downfall is because of women.
	Interesting.
	Isn't that wild?
	I see what you mean.
	Yeah, a lot of them.
	I'm not sure all of them, but yeah, a lot of them.
	Definitely Clinton, but the irony is Clinton's highest approval rating.
	You guys know what it was?
	It's after the world found out he got a blowjob from Monica Lewinsky.
	Look it up.
	That was his highest approval rating during his presidency.
	But Dustin made a good point, though.
	Once again, it could happen to him, but not Hillary because of who she is and who she stands for.
	It is wild, man.
	Go ahead, Moe.
	That was happening.
	Two of Donald Trump's lawyers were meeting with special counsel Jack Smith's office.
	All right.
	So that basically covers the classified stuff.
	So they added more stuff because he basically had someone try to delete the footage at Mar-a-Lago.
	Let me ask you guys this real quick.
	Yeah.
	Is he getting convicted?
	Is he going to jail?
	I can answer that after the second one.
	Okay, cool.
	Unless you want to take it now.
	Let's hit January 6th now and then we can kind of talk about it and then move on to the UFO situation.
	The next video?
	Yeah, let's hit the next video.
	So the next video, guys, is going to cover January 6th.
	As you guys know, January 6th with the Capitol riots where they entered in the Capitol building and everything else like that.
	I'll just let the video explain for itself.
	And this was yesterday, guys.
	...interrupt you again, which is very rude, and I'm going to owe you a drink.
	We want to get to David Spun.
	He actually has the indictment.
	I'm going to owe you a drink.
	He can read it to us, tell us what are the charges of David Spun.
	These people who are watching are all friends, man.
	They're all buddies.
	We got the printer going.
	Dude.
	You know what we just said there?
	Everyone in this media outlet, Blitz, they're all friends.
	Of course.
	And they'll work together.
	Yeah, but when you think about it on Twitch, they're all friends.
	On YouTube, we're all friends.
	Sort of.
	I mean, obviously, some of us aren't friends.
	But the agenda behind us kind of...
	Agreed.
	Yeah.
	What does that lead to?
	That leads to some dangerous conclusions.
	If we want to put you in this box of being this bad person, we will.
	And you can do anything about it.
	Gotta cooperate, yeah.
	Sorry, but it's kind of wild.
	Going behind me.
	45 pages.
	Here it is right here.
	Donald Trump has been indicted.
	There are four different counts.
	I want to read them to you before I read through this.
	Count one is conspiracy to defraud the United States.
	Count two, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.
	Count three, obstruction of an attempt to obstruct an official proceeding.
	And then count four is called conspiracy against Trump.
	Right.
	So I'm going to go through this.
	And they're doing this, guys, because he basically was saying the election was rigged.
	He was trying to get people to recount votes in certain states.
	So that's why they're hitting them with these charges.
	And on top of that, Georgia, Fawn County, the same DA, by the way, that's charging Young Thug in that RICO case, is probably going to bring charges against them as well for very similar things with the election.
	Wow.
	Do you guys see how these prosecutors don't want to be the first?
	And so now that they're not the first, you start seeing Fulton County...
	It's almost a political me too.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Actually, good point.
	Yeah.
	There's no way a Fulton County prosecutor is going to be the first one to charge the president of the United States.
	But he will allow the Southern District of New York or the DA from New York or whoever to go first.
	And then these people...
	And that DA campaigned heavy under, we're going to go after Trump.
	So he kind of had to do it.
	Because this is shit from 2016-2017 that they're getting him for with the whole Stormy Daniels situation.
	This is an all-out time to bring him down.
	Once or for all.
	Go ahead, sorry.
	Wait, did you have anything else?
	No, no, no.
	Let's keep playing.
	We just sent it out, so everybody should have a copy in our email, but right now it appears four different counts.
	This was the indictment that was not read in court, now is unsealed, and we're waiting to see if we get any type of reaction from special counsel Jack Smith will be watching for.
	Do you not understand, but earlier you said that there were, the indictments didn't have some initials or some people were named.
	What happened to that?
	Is now everybody named?
	Not everybody was named.
	Apparently, we're told from our producer in the courtroom, there were two cases where initials were read.
	We're deciphering who those initials may be.
	We're waiting to see if we find those.
	But this specific case right here, there was no DT read or DJT or Donald Trump announced in the courtroom.
	And this just says United States of America v.
	Donald J. Trump defendant.
	So it does not have other defendants listed in this indictment.
	We were wondering if perhaps it might be Donald Trump.
	Pull it up real fast, Mo.
	The indictment that they have there that I showed the document for.
	It's the next tab.
	And I'll show you out real quick this indictment.
	You guys can see it here.
	Yeah, okay.
	So you can see right here.
	So 18 U.S.C. 371 conspiracy.
	That's a typical conspiracy charge.
	And they got 1512 conspiracy to obstruct an official obstruction of an attempt to obstruct an official proceeding and a conspiracy against rights.
	And you can see here it says, verse Donald A. Trump.
	But throughout the indictment, right, if you scroll down...
	They list multiple co-conspirators, which when you do the math, you can figure out one of them is like Rudy Giuliani, etc.
	So I don't know if they're going to go ahead and charge the rest of them, but you could go through it.
	It's 45 pages.
	We're not going to read the entire thing, guys, but they go over all the facts in the case, right?
	And you can obviously go through it.
	I've noticed with these Trump indictments, they've been very...
	I mean, they're definitely crossing their T's and dotting their I's and making sure that they show everything for you guys from a chronological standpoint so it all makes sense.
	Like, their classified documents indictment was pretty well written, and they know that they're going after a president, so I guarantee you this is probably seen at every single level of the Department of Justice.
	A million people probably had to proofread it and make sure that it was clear, but...
	They've been working really hard to do something called what you what you call a speaking indictment, which basically it lists everything from beginning to end outlines most of the evidence in the case so that even someone that doesn't have that much of a legal background or awareness of how the law works.
	United States is able to read this and come to a conclusion of like, oh, wow, this person probably did it, which is what probable cause, which is the level that you have to hit to get anyone charged in the United States anyway.
	But yeah.
	And this is up on, you guys can easily Google this and find it and read through it if you want.
	I'll probably go in more detail on this on FedReacts, but just want to show you guys the document itself.
	Now, these charges aren't like that bad compared to the classified documents charges.
	Like those are what I'm worried about because he could do 15 to 20 years for those.
	This stuff is all more like, you know, BS obstruction charges, lying.
	The charges like obstruction of justice, false statements, etc.
	They typically don't have higher sentencing guidelines like, you know, anything that has to do with espionage.
	We can go back to the clip, Mo, and then we'll get the people's thoughts.
	And XYZ, as we saw with the retention of documents case where his aide and body man, Walt Nauta, was also indicted.
	This right here is just United States of America versus Donald Trump.
	It's four counts.
	Again, count one, conspiracy to defraud the United States.
	Count two, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.
	Count three is obstruction of an attempt to obstruct an official proceeding.
	Count four is conspiracy against rights.
	It is 45 pages.
	And on the back, it has Jack Smith's signature right here.
	And it just says right here, it says, Donald J. Trump, this is on the final page, did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree with co-conspirators known and unknown to the grand jury to injure, oppress, threaten, and intimidate one or more persons in the free...
	I guarantee a couple of those co-conspirators are probably cooperating with the investigation, which is why they're not charged in the indictment, and they're just naming them as co-conspirators.
	Damn.
	Guaranteed.
	Let's keep going.
	The exercise and enjoyment of a right and privilege secured to them by the Constitution and laws of the United States.
	That is the right to vote and to have one's vote counted in violation of Title 18.
	So for these counts, this has to do with January 6th?
	Yeah.
	I'm confused how that keeps people from their right to vote.
	That extrapolation I wasn't able to pull.
	What they're basically saying is that he incited riots and he pushed the Department of Justice to act on his behalf because he thought the election was rigged.
	Okay.
	Oh, so by him pushing...
	Got it.
	So the felony is for him, misappropriation of power to get the Justice Department.
	Pull up that indictment one more time.
	That's slightly separate from the 7th January 6th.
	I hate to ask another dumb question, but what happens when the left riots?
	Nothing.
	Yeah.
	They get tax breaks and they defund the police.
	What are you talking about?
	Yeah, they call it Black Lives Matter.
	They get a 501c3 tax break.
	They're not taxed.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Charity organization.
	That's a very catch-all charge, right?
	Basically because they were trying to say that he was putting pressure on the states to recount and stuff like recount votes and all this other shit.
	And then conspiracy to obstruct the official proceeding.
	Basically, they're saying he tried to obstruct the election process.
	So these are all very general charges that can kind of be put on anything really that they think is a violation.
	And that's the thing with federal charges.
	Once you affect interstate commerce or they're able to establish that you cross state lines with your crime, which is very easy to do with the Internet nowadays.
	they're able to go ahead and establish a vote.
	My point is, isn't the Justice Department then culpable?
	The President of the United States is the head of the executive branch.
	He can appoint...
	People to different executive appointees, the director of the FBI, the director of the CIA, the director of the Justice Department.
	But they don't have to do what he says.
	Now, he could fire them, but I don't understand how he makes them do this.
	Or rather, you understand what I'm saying?
	It's me telling you to break up with your girl.
	It's still your fault if you break up with your girl.
	At some point, that's why I'm a little confused by this.
	It's like...
	I'll read that first paragraph real quick.
	It might give a little bit of a summary here.
	Enlarge on our end.
	Okay.
	Donald Trump, the defendant, was the 45th president of the United States and a candidate for re-election in 2020.
	The defendant lost the 2020 presidential election.
	Despite having lost, the defendant was determined to remain in power.
	So for more than two months following election day on November 3rd, 2020, the defendant spread lies that there had been outcome determinative fraud in the election, and he had actually won.
	These claims were false, and the defendant knew they were false, but the defendant repeated and widely disseminated them anyway to make this – sorry, to make his knowingly false claims appear legitimate, create an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and erode public faith in the administration of the election.
	But that's not against the law.
	That's what I – that first paragraph is not against the law, number one, and number two.
	You can prove – They address that here in paragraph three.
	It says the defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even claim falsely that there had been outcome determinative fraud during the election and he had won.
	He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and inappropriate means, such as seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures.
	Enlarge it, Mo, real quick for me.
	Indeed, in many cases, the defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results.
	His efforts to change the outcome in any state, though recounts, audits, or legal challenges, were uniformly unsuccessful.
	Paragraph 4.
	Shortly after election day, the defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results.
	In doing so, the defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies.
	So that's what they're saying, is that he pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes.
	And then they go into the three things that he did.
	Okay, that makes more sense.
	Because what I thought they were saying is that he's strong-arming the Justice Department to do something.
	But, like, he has the right to say those things.
	It's not against the law for him to do that.
	I see where it's going now.
	Yeah.
	And it goes into A, B, and C. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government's function by which the results of the presidential election were collected, counted, and certified by the federal government in violation 18 U.S.C. 371.
	A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6th congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified.
	And then a conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted in violation 18 U.S.C. 241.
	So they're just throwing the book at this fucking guy, man.
	So I have a question.
	At what level Does free speech go from you can say what you want to now that you're a conspiracy?
	Because it's starting to feel like free speech only is okay if you don't have a platform to share what you have to say.
	At what level is that?
	Plain devil's advocate.
	From their standpoint, it's the point at which you do things to the detriment of other people.
	So right to vote is a civil right.
	And so I think that's a pretty big stretch that Number C, or letter C there, conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted in violation.
	So I guess he's saying because the ballots that were sent in should not be counted, that somehow that's a conspiracy against the right to vote.
	I guess that's what it is.
	I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
	I agree with you.
	I mean, he should be allowed to say whatever he wants.
	Also, he's about to be a private citizen.
	You know, he wasn't re-elected, so that's the issue.
	But it is one of these things.
	It's like, I can express myself with my fists until I get to your face, and then I can't express myself anymore, right?
	It's one of these things that he can express himself, and the federal government's going to say, well, when you start damaging other people, then that's the point we're going to say.
	Or when other people can actually hear what you're saying.
	Because a normal person can go down the street saying all of these things.
	But when Trump has people listening to him or Tate or whomever, then it's a conspiracy.
	So is free speech free?
	So I would argue that there's no more free speech.
	Because it's so vague and so open that I can say, you know what?
	You said that the sky is blue, but it's really green.
	And I feel like you're hurting my idea of what the sky should be.
	And as a result, you're hurting me.
	Which is kind of like, woo, wah, wah.
	But ultimately, is there free speech?
	I don't think so anymore, man.
	I talked to, I was at a nightclub in Vegas, and I talked to an executive at Instagram, and I asked him about Andrew Tate, and he 100% said it wasn't because of what he said, it was because of how popular he was.
	We had to take him down.
	His influence.
	100%, yeah, that's what he said.
	So, yeah, that definitely is.
	It's the influence.
	Especially when he said, like, don't be violent, you know?
	And it's funny because they're not charging him with, like, inciting violence or anything.
	They're charging him with, like, saying that he's undermining, you know, the democracy of the United States with the voting situation.
	But he even said it, like, hey, guys, don't go out there and, you know, peaceful protests, etc.
	But what I think is, is that...
	Obviously, the riots occurred because he obviously gave his speech, got some people fired up, whatever.
	Even though he didn't tell them to go ahead and do what they did, they want to hold someone responsible.
	So that's what it is.
	But do you see how you're speaking about how you see things can be twisted and put a narrative on you where, oh, he meant this, but really he didn't mean that at all.
	But that's scary because anybody can be a target.
	Yeah, there's certainly...
	I mean, obviously, we're on Rumble for a reason right now, because there are certain things...
	It's like, the problem isn't having the wrong opinion.
	The problem is, like, having the discussion now get you cancelled.
	That's where there's an issue.
	And to his credit, it was actually Destiny who said this when he was doing Graham Stephan's podcast.
	He was like, every time I would debate someone, Twitch would cancel them.
	He would...
	Kick him off the platform.
	And he was telling somebody at Twitch, he's like, you have to stop doing this.
	You have to stop getting rid of people because they disagree with me and I'm progressive.
	And so that's the problem.
	One of the other things is it does seem, I don't care how leftist you are watching this, you cannot disagree with this.
	People on the right are more willing to have these discussions And then people on the left are, which are simply to say, you're stupid, therefore I won't discuss things with you.
	True.
	It's not even...
	Don't take the moral high ground.
	Yes, correct.
	Even the people on the left have to agree with this.
	And the people on the right, let's just say you are someone who's extremely progressive, you also have to admit that no matter how kooky you think they are, the people on the right are just more entertaining.
	In addition to the fact that they will take on all comers anytime they want.
	And so I think that's where the separation happens.
	I was watching the Young Turks the other day and they were saying something like, yes, and all these Republicans talk about they're doing this in support of the First Amendment.
	And I'm like, yes, because the First Amendment is important.
	No, it doesn't matter.
	I want people who I disagree with to speak as loud as they can, because then I know to not vote for them.
	So First Amendment goes both ways.
	It's not just the spreading of good, fun, happy unicorn ideas.
	It's also the spreading of bad ideas.
	So you're like, I don't want to vote for you.
	And both parts are important, but only one part is being expressed.
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's cooler to be a leftist.
	I mean, if you look at universities, if you look at the young people, a lot of them are more, you know, liberally sound.
	They want to paint their fingernails.
	They want to have free college, all this other bullshit.
	And, you know, I've always said that as you make more money or you go up the social ranks, you start to realize, damn, I don't want to pay a lot of taxes.
	Then typically you're going to align yourself with conservative values to some degree.
	But Yeah, the cool thing, the trendy thing is to absolutely be a liberal.
	And then, yeah, they don't want to have discussion a lot of times.
	That's why so many people like Destiny, if y'all want to know, because he's one of the few, I wouldn't even consider him like a far leftist, but he's one of the few people that's progressive that will go ahead and have a conversation with someone that has completely opposing views.
	I think that's why he's not a far leftist.
	It's because he's having conversations where he's, like, you understand, most hardcore leftists just think people on the right are just bad.
	Dumb and or negligent and or just evil.
	They can't see that this person had a mother or father, grew up, had some trauma in their life, had a family, fell in love, had money, lost their money.
	They don't see people on the right as having struggles.
	They just see it as like, you are just stupid because you don't agree with what I agree with and that's the end of the discussion.
	Whereas with Destiny, because he's so willing to have these debates with people who he disagrees with, I've seen him on several occasions go to, hey, I don't I don't understand why you believe this, but I want to know where you came to this conclusion.
	Right.
	And he really does try to understand.
	Son of intelligence.
	Exactly.
	He's not a dumb guy.
	And I have tried to adopt that in my debates where I had a Flat Earth debate with Flat Earth Dave, and I was trying to understand what happened to you.
	Even when I had the Flat Earth debate with Zerka, I was trying to understand where Zerka was getting these ideas from.
	Right or wrong.
	I just want to know what motivated you to legitimately believe the earth is flat.
	You understand what I'm saying?
	And instead of just like yelling at him.
	Talking to me.
	Exactly.
	And I got that.
	I think that's a really important thing that the left doesn't do any of.
	Yeah.
	It's apparent to me.
	If you don't follow their agenda, what happens is you get called stupid.
	You might be violent.
	They consider evil.
	And on that level, like I said before, they don't want to talk to you at all.
	However, In the social media world itself, if you go against the narrative, you get cancelled.
	Yeah.
	Literally.
	Long enough, enough influence, you get cancelled.
	Yeah.
	So, as far as, like, what I think with the...
	Do you guys want to give your predictions first of what you think as far as, like, if he's going to beat these charges or anything?
	I could go last if y'all want.
	I'm dying to know.
	Your thoughts on this?
	I think they're going to do everything they can to put him in jail, so he can't...
	That's what I think.
	Yeah.
	I think there's going to be a point where he knows they've got him, and so he's going to have some kind of negotiation.
	I don't think it's good for the country in any form whatsoever to have a former president in jail.
	I don't care how far to the left you are.
	Having Hillary Clinton or...
	I know people are going to disagree with me on this.
	Having Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump in jail, it...
	the idea of having a former president jail is just bad.
	That's something that you see in banana republics in fucking Africa.
	That is not something we should be doing in the United States if we can avoid it.
	But some of that America does to people, they don't like a leader that's in power somewhere and then they go make sure that there's revolts and riots or the people turn on him and then they get him out, get him in jail and put the guy they need in there and then they use that country as a part of our universe.
	Color revolution.
	We do that all the time.
	All the time.
	America does that shit everywhere, especially in Central America, with that Banana Republic situation being one of them.
	We can ask a question why.
	Or who's controlling?
	I love the fact that we're able to have this discussion, and I really wish more people...
	I love talking to people who disagree with me.
	Man, it's so motivating to do that.
	I don't want...
	Let's talk about something that is a little controversial.
	It's not going to get a span on Rumble, but the idea of the heritability studies when it comes to race.
	There was a Nobel Prize winner who just simply stated that there may be differences in IQ based on race and he was lost.
	I don't think he lost his Nobel Prize, but he lost several honors because of that.
	The problem is, if I wanted to refute that, I can't because no one will do studies on this anymore because it's such a toxic thing to study in university about the differences in IQ based on race.
	But as someone who studies evolutionary psychology, I desperately want to know What is the difference in the amygdala?
	What is the difference in the size of the frontal lobe?
	I want to know these answers, but yet actually doing this study is so toxic we can't do it.
	And so now what happens is the people on the left who want to refute the studies on the right, they can't even refute them because no one will do these studies.
	Does that make sense?
	Because the topic is so toxic.
	I got something to add to that because we brought on this fucking lawyer that was just arguing the whole time, right?
	As far as like, because, you know, obviously we know that When a chick has more sexual partners, typically that's going to fuck up the relationship.
	We see studies on that.
	It's going to affect your ability to pair bond with her or whatever.
	And she's saying, oh no, there's no study that shows that a woman having more sexual partners will limit her ability to be a good wife or daughter.
	Sorry, a good wife or girlfriend or whatever.
	And I'm like, in my head, I was like, yeah, there's like there's studies that kind of cover it, but there's no study that like extensively covers like, OK, you have a 50 body count.
	You have a five body count.
	Let's go ahead and compare and contrast because that would be considered unethical.
	Yeah, right.
	They wouldn't be able to run a study like that.
	And then we know women typically under report their number of sexual partners.
	So it would be very difficult to find data on that.
	Right.
	That's like saying like, oh, yeah, I need a study that shows one plus one is two.
	It's like, no, it's generally accepted and known fact based off of how things go.
	But you're not going to find a study for that specific thing because no one would conduct that study.
	So canceled.
	So there is an Institute for Family Studies that does show that as you get above a certain number of sexual partners, men sort of level off in their happiness in a marriage is after 10 years and women go down.
	And what happens is that study was in 1995.
	And I was like, and I was talking to Rolo.
	I was like, why are there not new studies on this?
	And it's like, because they're afraid of what they're going to find.
	They're going to afraid if they found, just imagine if there was a study that showed that the neurochemicals of dopamine and oxytocin started to lessen the more sexual partners.
	Think if they could neurologically show that women had a lower ability to pair bond once you get plus 20 partners, 50 partners, et cetera.
	If you could literally show that in the science of A peer-reviewed paper to show that.
	Can you imagine how damning that would be to certain people's narrative?
	They can never do that study.
	Destroy the whole rap industry for women.
	Destroy the culture.
	And yet any guy who's been with a little number of women, you know this is true.
	And so when you see that, it's like you're going to do a study that is true.
	Even women know it's true.
	Because that same chick that was making arguments for women should be able to be promiscuous kept repeating, I've only had seven partners.
	I've only had seven partners.
	Why do you keep repeating that then?
	Because it's low to her.
	Yeah, but my main point is that you don't even believe in that bullshit, which is why you work to keep your number low.
	It's always funny to me how women will sit there and make an argument for women being able to be promiscuous, but then themselves will say, oh, but I'm not promiscuous.
	But I think women should be able to have it.
	And that's what I kind of realized is that females typically don't want to do a lot of the shenanigans that they claim that they want to do.
	They just want to have the ability to do it without being checked.
	That's what it is.
	And it's always funny.
	We have girls on the show.
	What's your body count?
	They're like, oh, I can't remember.
	Or I don't know.
	But you really know what number is.
	Or you have an idea.
	You don't want to say it on camera.
	Bro, if you don't know, that's even worse.
	I forgot.
	I don't know.
	I forgot.
	I don't know.
	I forgot after the drink concert.
	I don't know.
	You know what you do?
	Well, remind me this.
	Let's do a...
	I've done this before.
	It's a really interesting thing you can do.
	Where you ask every girl how promiscuous they think their friends are on a scale of 1 to 10.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, we've done that.
	Yeah.
	And then you ask them how promiscuous they think they are, and it's always five or six points lower.
	Gotta be.
	It's so great.
	It's like, how are all of you less promiscuous than your friends?
	I get around that by saying, what do you think the average sex partner is, sex partner count for a woman that's 25 years old that's out of college?
	That's when you get Frehley on a sandwich.
	I did it at the live show.
	And some girls said 7, some girls said 10, other girls said 50, other girls said 80.
	So, long story short, we basically summarized it, excuse me, the average was about 20 to 30 guys for an average 25-year-old woman.
	That's fucking high!
	But then if I were to ask those girls, how many bodies do you have, they'll all say two.
	Or they can't remember.
	Or they'll say, I won't answer it.
	So, I mean, it's just a clown world.
	But as far as Trump.
	You legitimately don't remember.
	I'm just kidding.
	Well, at this point, I just stopped counting.
	You stopped counting?
	But the thing is, I didn't really count it.
	I just averaged off of what I kind of had on my phone.
	Yeah, so 50 a year for 10 years, and then that's how it works.
	Oh, you're a man of God.
	My bad.
	My first time I had a bunch of numbers.
	And then when I look at my content list, I'm like, hold on.
	The majority of this is girls.
	I did the math.
	They're not from Barbados, so it's like tourist girls.
	So I was like, holy shit, there's a lot of girls.
	Then I did the math.
	That's how you came to 1,000?
	From before?
	You got some number, bro?
	Something like that.
	They already say it in the chat.
	They already know.
	But it's pretty high.
	It's allegedly.
	Which you forgot.
	Yeah, I forgot.
	At this point, yeah.
	Yeah.
	But this is what I think with the Trump situation, right?
	So obviously he's facing...
	The most serious charges, I would say, are definitely the classified documents one because...
	It doesn't matter.
	It's considered national defense information, whether it's classified as a secret or not secret or whatever.
	If it's a national defense information, it doesn't matter.
	You can get hit with espionage charges, right?
	Which is the 18 U.S.C. 793 stuff, guys.
	And just to give you guys context, Robert Hansen, right?
	The former FBI agent that died in prison actually like a month ago for selling secrets to Russians.
	That's the statute that they got him under.
	So he could definitely do some serious time.
	They said that he's looking at like 15 or whatever.
	If he goes to trial, who knows?
	It might be even longer.
	So how old is Trump?
	He's in his 60s.
	Donald Trump's 80 years old.
	He's 80 years old?
	Yeah.
	He's going to die in jail, bro.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So those are the charges I'm more concerned with because they don't really have to prove much.
	And they pretty much got him dead to rights with those recordings.
	Another thing that has me worried is that when I read through the classified documents indictment, They said that they have lawyer notes, which that should be a huge red flag because whenever you have a conversation with your lawyer, that's considered privileged.
	The law enforcement can't get that.
	So for example, let's say you arrest somebody and their lawyer shows up and they said, okay, we need the room.
	You can't sit there.
	You have to leave and let them have their private conversation.
	The guy can literally admit, yeah, I killed those 10 people.
	Can't use it because it's considered privileged information from what he used from him talking with his lawyer.
	So the fact that in the indictment, they had lawyer notes in there.
	It's cooperating.
	It shows that the lawyers are cooperating with the government and they're going to go ahead and testify.
	And then they probably have a bunch of witnesses in this situation.
	Let me say this real quick.
	When he goes for reelection, he'll be 80.
	I was wrong.
	He's 77 years old.
	I said that incorrectly.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So.
	So, yeah, man, I don't know.
	What do you think?
	What do you think is going to happen?
	So, this is a smear campaign, along with him doing some stuff that was not really legal, so I get that part.
	But it's all an attack on Trump, and I think, on some level, he kind of didn't go with the agenda, and now he wants to come back to this as a free, and I want to say more like...
	Not all the way with politicians.
	Sure.
	They're like, you know what?
	No, I just got out of here right now.
	So I want to cut them off of everything.
	And then, once again, whatever you say can be used against you in the court of public opinion.
	And now, everything he did in the past and what he's doing right now is going to be held against him.
	And ultimately speaking, bro, maybe it isn't the wrong, which is with the documents, I get that part, but...
	All the other charges, man, that's kind of a lot.
	So, I mean, hopefully he gets some leniency on this conviction if he does get convicted, but ultimately speaking, he may go to jail and then end up being in jail.
	They're going to give him the choice.
	They're going to say, listen, you're either going to go to jail or you're going to step the fuck out the way.
	Yeah.
	I did the math.
	He's looking at around 15 because of what they do.
	They have sentencing guidelines in the federal system and you get certain points based on the crime and everything else like that.
	More than likely, if he fights this, he's looking at somewhere between 15 to 20.
	You always do more time if you don't plead guilty.
	But what about good behavior?
	You know what?
	Good behavior, no?
	In the federal system.
	So you have to do at least 80% of your time in the federal system and he would only get good behavior once he's in prison.
	And you know what?
	If you look back at kind of like the history of this whole situation, he had an opportunity to bury some people and he didn't.
	Yeah.
	And my concern is that they're going to have more of a killer instinct than he had and they could bury him.
	It was Jeffrey Epstein shit.
	You're right.
	He didn't go after Hillary once he took office or anything.
	He had the opportunity.
	He campaigned saying like, lock her up, but he never actually went after her.
	He had the opportunity to put a sword in his chest.
	They could do it to him.
	Yeah.
	I agree with what you were saying, and he also probably broke the law.
	So that's the tip of the iceberg.
	Once you get, you know what I'm saying, that's the first volley, and then everybody piles on afterwards.
	Well, I don't want you guys to agree with me, but on some level, you can kind of say that a lot of presidents do things that are not really interesting.
	If your argument is that other presidents should have been charged with other shit, yes.
	Aaron Burr was the Vice President of the United States when he shot Alexander Hamilton in the hip and killed him, right?
	There was a federal arrest warrant for him, and he went back to the Senate and actually presided over the Senate with a federal arrest warrant for murder, and they didn't arrest him.
	Yes, of course.
	You can go all the way back to the 1700s and see that there's examples of politicians not being arrested for murder or arrested for committed crimes.
	What?
	What's that?
	Yeah.
	What do you mean?
	Europa?
	What do you do?
	You forgot?
	What?
	Alright, never mind.
	I don't even know that one.
	That's for a different talk.
	The war?
	Roosevelt?
	Europa!
	Oh, you mean like the killing of the Germans?
	Yeah.
	That's not considered...
	They were an enemy back then.
	I think that was Eisenhower.
	I don't think that was Roosevelt.
	I think it was Eisenhower was the one.
	He'll out of time, no.
	All right, we're talking about here.
	We're talking about here.
	Okay.
	So you're saying if your argument is they pick and choose who they charge, I agree with that, right?
	I don't believe General Westmoreland went to prison for lying about body counts during, body counts meaning deaths, during Vietnam.
	I don't believe he did.
	So you're absolutely right.
	Was it Roosevelt or was it Eisenhower?
	What year was it?
	I'll give you all of them.
	Who was in the military during World War II? World War II was Roosevelt, and then when he died afterwards, it was Truman.
	Eisenhower was a general in the US Army.
	But remember, he went with the whole agenda knowing that they were innocent people.
	Okay, okay.
	I just want to say the full thing on.
	I mean, we're on Rumble, bro.
	You confuse an audience, man.
	They don't know what you're talking about.
	Watch it, man.
	It's 12 hours.
	I haven't seen that part in a while, so I'm confused.
	Going back to the whole Trump situation.
	This is what I think.
	The best way for him to get around this is he's just going to have to delay, delay, delay.
	He should not push for a speedy trial.
	He should definitely file a bunch of Emotions, yeah.
	Emotions as much as he can to delay the trial.
	Discovery.
	Yes.
	Dump discovery, like thousands of trucks of discovery onto the government.
	Yeah, well, they're going to have to give him the discovery.
	Yeah.
	And they probably are doing that right now.
	I guarantee you, before they even indicted this, they had the discovery ready to go.
	And just for the audience, real quick, you guys probably wonder, what the fuck is discovery?
	Guys, discovery is a process in which the two parties involved in some type of litigation share the information with each other that they have on the other party.
	So, in this example, if the government charges you with a crime...
	It's their duty to supply you with all the documentation and evidence against you that they plan to use in trial so that your defense attorney can properly and adequately represent you and defend you.
	They can't surprise you.
	And that's the thing.
	A lot of people watch Perry Mason where he brings a fucking donkey into this courtroom.
	That's not real.
	That doesn't happen in real life.
	There's no surprise witnesses.
	That's just for television.
	You have to tell people ahead of time what you're doing.
	Now, a trick that people do often, if someone who's very wealthy sues you, one of the things they're going to do is they're going to dump discovery on you.
	Yeah.
	And the pertinent documents are in this file here, but they've given you 500 files to go through.
	And so now you have to pay hourly for these associates at this law firm to dig through these files to find the pertinent information, and they drag you out financially.
	That's how people can use discovery to bankrupt you.
	Yeah.
	It's a weapon.
	It's a weapon to drown people.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	A thousand percent.
	And the discovery process exists in both criminal cases and civil cases.
	But in the criminal case, it's on the government to give you everything as far as the case.
	Now, me knowing the level of this case, et cetera, and me working federal cases before...
	Typically, the AUSA or the federal prosecutor in this case, this is the United States Attorney, they're not going to indict until they have discovery packages ready to go.
	The feds are very good about this.
	We'll cross the T's and the bottom of the I's.
	And that was just for my regular cases.
	We didn't even go to grand jury until I had everything ready for discovery to give to the defense.
	So in a case like this, they probably already had the discovery ready to go.
	They have packages, probably fucking binders and binders and binders full of information, recorded testimony, blah, blah, blah.
	And they used a grand jury in this situation.
	So more than likely, they probably already gave Trump's defense everything that they have.
	They're going through it now.
	So what he's going to have to do is challenge everything, say, we need more time to go through all this discovery, blah, blah, blah.
	And I think in his case, what the election is going to be next year, File as many motions as you can.
	Ask for extensions on reviewing their discovery because it's probably going to be a lot.
	You know, ask for depositions, all this bullshit.
	Extend as much as you can.
	Then make it to the election.
	Win the election.
	And then go ahead.
	And I think you could...
	Well, presidential pardon.
	So...
	I don't know if you can pardon yourself.
	That's a tall order, though.
	So you can pardon yourself.
	You can.
	Theoretically.
	So the most recent thing we have would be Gerald Ford.
	After President Nixon steps down, Gerald Ford pardons President Nixon for anything that he could have been charged with.
	Watergate, right?
	For Watergate.
	But there are other things that he did.
	Also, I believe he pardoned Spiro Agnew as well, because Spiro Agnew got caught up.
	He was the vice president before...
	Spiro Agnew was the vice president, had to step down because of some real estate scam or something like that.
	And they named Gerald Ford, who was a...
	I forgot, from Michigan.
	I forgot where he was from.
	He becomes president of the United States and then pardons Richard Nixon.
	So that would be an example of it.
	However, the Supreme Court of the United States can strike down a pardon.
	And that would be the concern, was that if he becomes elected and then he also tries to pardon himself, he does not have ad hoc rights to pardon anyone for any reason.
	If they say this violates...
	Whatever crime, then they can also say that he can't pardon himself.
	And Chad was saying that he can pardon himself.
	I mean, I don't know, because it's never been used where a president pardons himself.
	Do you think DeSantis would pardon him?
	He will.
	He might.
	He will.
	We actually...
	Shout out to David Rubin.
	Dave Rubin is good friends with DeSantis.
	We had him on the show.
	And we were talking about this discussion, and I was telling him that more than likely Trump, if he faces it, if he says he's going to get found guilty, and I was asking him, you know, it'd be great if DeSantis pardoned him, or the next person that comes in should pardon him.
	He said, yeah, if DeSantis takes off for CR Republic, he said...
	You know, it'd be super interesting.
	Trump probably knows this.
	So if they ever had to debate, it would be interesting to see how Trump debated with him, knowing that he kind of has to hit him.
	But at the same time, if they send me to jail, can you get me out?
	To be fair, DeSantis has been pretty consistently defending Trump when it comes to these legal matters.
	Even though he disagrees with him on certain things, he's called this a witch hunt.
	DeSantis has previously.
	So I think I agree with you.
	I think he would attempt to pardon him.
	I'm not fond of a lot of politicians, but I think DeSantis is very like...
	Whatever he says, he does.
	Which I like.
	The thing about Trump is that he makes things very personal sometimes.
	And so I can just see him in a debate needing to bite his tongue.
	Yeah, going after Ted Cruz's wife and stuff like that.
	He talks shit.
	That gets kind of ugly.
	I'm curious with the DeSantis thing, way off topic, but you might be interested in this, Myron, is that he was an attorney working for the State Department during the investigations at Gitmo.
	Oh, really?
	He was running the Department of Defense, I believe.
	So during the enhanced interrogations, the waterboard, I believe he was working there.
	And I'm curious how that's going to affect in the general election when we find out, when that kind of stuff comes out.
	Meaning, he was probably privy to the waterboarding situation, which, by the way, as a former U.S. military member, I'll say this right now, waterboarding is not torture.
	Waterboarding is not torture.
	I don't care.
	It sucks.
	It's really bad.
	It's not fun to do it.
	But the reason why I know it's not torture is because they do it to us whenever they put us through training and none of us die.
	It's not torture.
	Torture is what they did to John McCain.
	And I think it's actually...
	In Vietnam, right?
	Yeah.
	I think it's a disservice.
	They popped both of his shoulders out of socket and flipped him over.
	And that dude didn't even give up his name.
	What they did to John McCain, I think, is a disservice when they start calling sleep deprivation and waterboarding torture.
	That is not torture.
	Let's enhance interrogation.
	It definitely sucks.
	And to do it to a witness in the United States, I think is immoral.
	But if someone kidnapped my child, you better believe I'm going to do that to them.
	And I'll say that right now publicly.
	I don't think it's immoral whatsoever if somebody did something like that.
	But that's not torture.
	I think it does a disservice to people who've actually been tortured when you say stuff like that.
	Yeah, because they put the bamboo reeds in his nails, if I'm not mistaken.
	Yeah, they did some horrible stuff.
	So, okay, where we at here?
	You know, we could read some of these rumble rants.
	And I'm actually pulling up a Twitter thing here because Vivek Ramaswamy, he's an Indian guy.
	He's a businessman.
	He's going to run for president as well on the Republican side.
	And even he said, yo, this is messed up what they're doing with Trump.
	So which one?
	I think everybody knows that they have a hard-on for him because Trump is very anti-establishment.
	And whenever you're anti-establishment, they don't want you in office.
	Because he has his own money.
	That's another thing, too.
	He has his own money.
	So it's like, does he really need the political donors as much as other candidates do?
	War.
	And the other thing is, he's anti-establishment.
	What you just said, he's anti-establishment, even anti the Hawks in the Republican Party, right?
	That because he has his own money.
	You know, you said he doesn't want war.
	Like there's people even on the right who disagree with him.
	So when you say anti-establishment, he's fully anti-establishment, right?
	Because he came in there with his own money.
	And so that's another reason that happens.
	It's like you would expect all this support from the right, but some people on the right don't support him either.
	So that could be an issue.
	Yeah.
	I have another question, but I'll just save it for later.
	World War III, but we'll talk about that in a different way.
	Let's get into that.
	I'll hit these rumble bands real quick.
	UFOs, man.
	UFOs.
	Okay.
	We got here.
	Living Reality goes, Myron, how practical is it for you to own multiple real estate without driving your own car?
	Do you rent cars everywhere?
	Have family to drive?
	Take Ubers?
	Is this coming from someone who hates driving?
	I have a car.
	It's a 2200, man.
	That car is awesome.
	That car is legendary.
	He don't drive it though.
	Yeah, I don't drive it.
	Man, these four men in the same room, upper level conversations coming, gentlemen.
	Pay attention and like the damn video.
	Join the CEO Network and don't get left behind.
	Shout out to you, JR Ramirez.
	Shout out to J, man.
	We got JR Ramirez again.
	It goes, one of the funniest lines I heard from Michael was when he was on Axis Vegas.
	Just told Michael that he looks good full homo.
	That's the funny shit bros say to each other.
	CEO Network, what's up, Mo?
	Okay.
	He said, we say all homo.
	It's not full homo.
	Would you speak to my guys in the network?
	Of course, 100%.
	Yeah, anytime.
	Dude, I will speak to anything.
	I'll do five hours with your guys.
	Anything you want, dude.
	For sure.
	We can go over stock option trading.
	Big plus.
	Big boss.
	Ow!
	On me?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I told you, man.
	I told you.
	Let's do it.
	Whenever.
	We'll do it.
	You haven't been around.
	I know.
	I'm never here.
	No, but definitely we'll do another stream on Justin's channel for you all as well.
	I'll be there.
	Hey, I've been reaching out to Justin.
	He just hasn't hit me back.
	Have a great night, guys.
	WSL CEO Network, Big Bossing.
	Shout out to you, my friend.
	Shout out to Cody, man.
	And then Hidden Mist, thanks for providing value.
	Got my money up.
	Excellent credit.
	Three properties down 30 pounds at around 12% body fat.
	Much love to Jay Waller for the taste.
	Shout out to you, bro.
	Guys, becoming excellent here.
	Real G's, keep doing what you're doing.
	God bless.
	Cool.
	Thank you, bro.
	And guys, we're going to switch over to UFOs here in a second.
	Can't wait.
	W Rumble, W Joy Waller, W Second Amendment.
	There we go.
	Second Amendment.
	Maz goes, what's up, fellas?
	Huge fan.
	23 years old.
	Been driving semi-trucks for seven months.
	I work around 70 hours a week.
	Any advice on how to get another reliable stream of income while working so much?
	I'll let you guys take it if you want.
	Go ahead.
	You got one?
	70 hours a week.
	Trucking.
	Yeah, man, there's a million things you could do.
	If I was a truck driver, I would, and I know you're making good money, man, so I would hire a little assistant to go on Facebook Marketplace and start finding you single-family mobile homes and owner finances, bitches out, make a bag bag.
	For sure.
	That's what I would do.
	I would recommend.
	He's going to be making six figures working 70 hours a week as a truck driver.
	He's smashing it.
	Just to pay a little assistant or somebody to scrum Facebook Marketplace.
	They give these free trailers away, man.
	A lot of times you can just pay to move them and get you a real estate agent that can find land and zone for it.
	And then just put those two and two together.
	Instead of renting it out, owner finance it.
	Give somebody the American dream.
	You're going to be ahead on the note.
	Because the bills are probably nothing since he's on the road all the time.
	Yeah, man.
	Brilliant what he just said.
	So how would you get that information?
	We're listening on Rumble.
	You can listen at double speed.
	Guys, what you need to do is especially, this is something a lot of people did during the pandemic and came out with new businesses, is they started driving for Uber Eats.
	So they started driving for some delivery service, right?
	Postmates.
	And when they did so, they would put AirPods in and they would listen to every podcast, every YouTube video.
	You can go to Coursera.
	You can go to iTunes U.com.
	You can go to the Khan Academy and just learn, learn, learn till you can find some level of expertise.
	I think the best thing you can do is educate yourself.
	There's so many things you can do, but I would become obsessed with audiobooks and podcasts that can help you get towards your goals.
	And then you're going to get gems like what he said right now.
	I'm sure some...
	Clients, I guarantee you, are all listening to this at double speed.
	They're going to listen to this whole show at double speed.
	That's one thing I highly recommend people do is get as much information in as you can as quickly as you can.
	I do that with Audible as well.
	1.5.
	It's funny because my first job here was taking phone calls at AT&T and I need extra income.
	So I did Uber.
	And what I would do is I would have headphones in, but I would wait to see if the guests wanted me to talk to them or not.
	If they didn't want to talk, perfect.
	Pop in a podcast, BiggerPockets, Grant Cardone, Real Estate, learned that.
	When I got home, studied like a maniac at Starbucks or my house.
	Yeah.
	You're right, bro.
	And it changed my whole life.
	I want to say something about that Starbucks thing.
	A lot of times I would leave my office because I knew that my house was so quiet and that atmosphere wasn't good.
	I would go to a place like Starbucks or even a sports bar and sit there with my laptop.
	What happens is you get yourself in that environment and that environment can light you up kind of like an airport will do.
	And so that's a really important thing that you just pointed out is like a lot of times at the end of a work day, put yourself in another atmosphere that has like an energy about it.
	That'll make you work even longer and harder.
	Because when you're home, it's comfortable.
	You know, you've got TV there.
	Netflix food.
	There's a dog.
	You get lazy.
	But Starbucks, everyone's hustling, bustling.
	Coffee, computers.
	You're right.
	And it's a part of your story.
	I used to go to this Starbucks after work and try to develop myself.
	So you start to build this montage, this hero's journey story when you do these types of things.
	And that is where I met the guy with the Lambo that inspired me to get a Lambo that day.
	Pulled up with a blonde, blue eyes, Big ass.
	I was like, damn, who is this guy?
	Shout out to interracial sex.
	And now that is me pulling up.
	And guys, we got 12,000 plus y'all watching live.
	So do me a favor, man.
	Can y'all please like the video and then follow us on Rumble?
	We want to hit 500,000 followers on here.
	We'll have another party as well.
	And we'll have another party depending on what we hit first.
	Whether it's a million on the Cliffs channel or 500k on here.
	We'll throw another boat party for y'all.
	Okay, where are we at here?
	We got Demetra goes, Hey Fresh, here's my Insta that you asked for and I couldn't give you last show.
	And then he puts it down.
	I finished editing your gun range vlog, so let me know your thoughts if you want to see it while I work on a thumbnail.
	Cool.
	Fresh has you.
	And then shout out to Waller and FNF. My life's shit right now.
	I work 18 hours, 6 days a week, pulling 95k a year.
	I'm getting fit pull-ups, push-ups every day.
	Once I'm 15% body fat, I'm chasing these hoes.
	Alright, good stuff, my friend.
	Just don't spend too much time chasing them.
	If you looked up testosterone in the dictionary, a picture of Waller shows up.
	Alright.
	Same guy from before.
	23-year-old trucker.
	Should I leave trucking for cybersecurity since trucking is going to shit?
	I appreciate the value.
	Shout out to you guys.
	Trucking is never going to go to shit because people are always going to want their stuff delivered.
	The thing is with cybersecurity, whatever is scalable, that is how you're going.
	If you want to start a business that's scalable, that's the thing that's going to help you the most.
	A fleet of truckers or get into cybersecurity and start developing maybe your own software.
	Yeah.
	What do we got here?
	18Nando81 goes, Waller had that off girl wet after he told his story about spending money on his crew.
	Probably something I missed.
	Maybe a podcast.
	Maybe it was whenever, when we were on there.
	You remember with Farrah?
	What's her name?
	The one who lied about being a virgin?
	Oh, the Onikans girl?
	Yeah.
	Either way.
	Mikalifa.
	Mikalifa, yeah.
	Mikalifa, yeah.
	Pretty girl.
	Stop the cat.
	Did she hit you up afterwards?
	Strategy was like being a virgin.
	Cannot confirm.
	I'm not trying to out that girl.
	That girl, she's a nice girl, man.
	She might have an OnlyFans, but you know, whatever.
	She's pretty.
	It is what it is.
	Man of elegance.
	I know y'all probably heard about Cardi B throwing her microphone at a fan, but hit the wrong girl and that girl suing Cardi.
	But y'all know Cardi asked the crowd to throw water on her before that?
	Yeah, I did hear about that.
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	Was that at Dre's in Vegas?
	It looked like it was at Dre's.
	I don't know where that was.
	It was in Vegas.
	It looks like they're on stage outside at Dre's because I could see across the street.
	I could see Bellagio.
	That's why I thought it was Dre's.
	Talk about getting hit up outside the head with some luck.
	I wish I would have got hit with a microphone all you want.
	And I would have kept the microphone.
	Actually, they're selling it on eBay, I think, for a good set of money.
	Wow.
	Basically, Inditing Sleepy Joe and his crime family, as well, keep the same energy.
	Very true.
	I mean, if we were to talk about Hunter Biden, they're never going to talk about him and the laptop and all the bullshit he did.
	I mean, he just basically got a misdemeanor, if I'm not mistaken, slap on the wrist for tax evasion.
	Trump should use the left's logic against them and say, it's my truth that the election was stolen.
	They're the party of acceptance, aren't they?
	Oh, the other thing I was going to say, too, is once Trump wins the election and parties himself, he is absolutely going to fire everyone over at the Department of Justice.
	He's going to get rid of fucking Mayor Garland, which, by the way...
	That's if he wins.
	Mayor Garland...
	That's all I'm going to say with him.
	But yeah, he's definitely going to fire him and get rid of Jack Smith and all these guys over there at the Department of Justice.
	What do you guys think about Vivek Ramassar?
	I just talked about it.
	He made some really good comments about the whole Trump situation, talking about how we're going into a banana republic, etc., by using the Department of Justice as a political tool.
	It's not a good look for anyone to lock up the president.
	I know you guys are going to be like, well, if it was Hillary Clinton, it's not a good look for your nation to lock up your president.
	I don't care who you are.
	There's an author that quoted in the book.
	He said, if anything can happen, it'll happen in America.
	And if that happens to us, our presidents in jail, our former president, dude, that's not the president for anything to happen after that.
	Yeah.
	Pretty much.
	For every other president going forward also.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	If you don't comply with the rules, we'll just put you in jail.
	Yeah.
	Question.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to ask a bunch of questions on this show.
	Let's do it, bro.
	And this might be super tinfoil hat.
	Is there any chance that people that didn't get in trouble previously, Hillary, and the people that collude with Russia could backdoor have a situation set up with BRICS? Because BRICS is a legitimate concern.
	My concern about BRICS as a separate thing is that, so do you remember in the EU, one of the problems was Greece started running up a bunch of debt, and then Germany had to pay for the debt, and Britain had to pay for the debt, so Britain wanted to leave.
	That's what Brexit was.
	When you have the currency that's controlled by a bunch of different agencies, then one country can spend a bunch of money, and the other countries, the two main economies in the EU were the United Kingdom and Germany.
	And so these other countries that were much more socialist were like basically devaluing the currency.
	My problem with BRIC is what you're saying before is that Venezuela will quickly devalue the currency if they get their hands on any power to do so.
	And probably South Africa will as well.
	And then you have a third issue.
	Is Venezuela part of BRICS? Isn't it?
	No, I don't think so.
	Brazil, India, China.
	South Africa, Russia.
	And Russia.
	I'd heard previously that they wanted to include Venezuela.
	I got that wrong.
	They might be trying to get in.
	The other issue is the Hague has now issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin.
	And so now what happened?
	What has happened now?
	He can't leave the...
	Like literally South Africa was going to have a BRICS conference and can't do it because one of the situations is Vladimir Putin...
	What's it for?
	War crimes?
	It was specifically for something to do with children in Ukraine being moved from one place to another or kidnapped or something like that.
	Bro, what the fuck?
	See, this is why, bro, like...
	Once again, if you're not with the agenda, they want you out of there.
	And Putin is not with the agenda at all.
	He's anti-establishment.
	Like we're saying with Trump.
	Wow.
	Okay, so they're charging him with...
	Somebody can just look it up, the specific crimes, but I just saw this yesterday.
	Let's see what the chat says.
	I mean, yeah.
	I did hear that he got charged.
	Don't shoot the messenger.
	I just didn't know who issued it.
	Don't shoot the messenger.
	But yes, I believe the Hague issued a arrest warrant for him.
	That's fucking crazy, bro.
	I mean, yeah, he's public enemy number one for a bunch of reasons.
	But, yeah.
	Alright, what else do we got here, Mo?
	We got here.
	Dean for Truth goes, the political, industrial, and societal leaders are high school nerds who ganged up and taking out their revenge on the world.
	Loser sob story origins, but have all the keys and finger on the button.
	And then we got CEO Nate goes, love and appreciate you guys leading the resistance from the front, making men better.
	Sent DM, I run 40k a month agency.
	Businesses get more clients for three plus years now, and I want to teach your guys how to do it.
	Cool.
	Okay.
	Hit it fresh.
	Okay, so now we're going to go ahead and transition to probably the...
	I know you guys were having a discussion on this before.
	I'll go ahead and just set the mood, and then you guys can go ahead and go crazy.
	So, as you guys know...
	What?
	Ooh, the mood.
	You had to make a game, huh?
	So, just so you guys know...
	Okay, that's 129, Mo.
	Make your notes.
	129.
	Anyway, so as you guys know, last week, there were three individuals that went ahead and testified in front of Congress on UFOs, okay?
	And as you guys know, this is something that's been...
	Out in the, you know, science fiction, people have talked about UFOs, people have talked about aliens forever.
	And for the first time in American history, it was confirmed 1000% that there is life besides human beings.
	And not only that, they came to some, you know, really shocking revelations.
	One, that we have UFO planes or, you know...
	Flying saucers, spacecraft parts, and we have biological matter of aliens or UFOs that were captured post-crash.
	And this was all answered in front of Congress, as you guys know, when you go ahead and ask questions in front of Congress, they swear you in.
	Everything that you say is under oath, so if you lie, you can absolutely go to prison.
	And on top of that, you know, Some of the stuff they had to say, hey, I can't disclose that because of classification, blah, blah, blah.
	These three people that went ahead and testified, a lot of them have gotten in trouble or felt some type of persecution for coming out with this stuff.
	But I think the main bottom line here is that it's the first time that they've put a light on this and actually confirmed 1,000% that we are definitely not the only living beings.
	And I could go ahead and have a video here that shows some of this stuff from the congressional testimony because they've been trying to get to the bottom of this shit For the better part of 70 years, guys.
	This dude did not want to say it, bro.
	Can I tell a quick joke about UFOs?
	Go ahead.
	This one night, I was out with a girl, right?
	I asked her, have you ever seen a UFO? She's like, no, I haven't.
	I put my pants down.
	I told her, unidentified fresh object.
	There you go.
	I think that settles it.
	Alien life is confirmed.
	Alright.
	Let's run the clip and then we'll go ahead and get the people's reactions.
	You know what?
	I tried, okay?
	Hit play, Mo.
	And mute your mic.
	If you believe we have crashed craft, stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?
	Biologics came with some of these recoveries.
	Yeah.
	That's fucking crazy.
	Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics?
	Non-human, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program.
	We're at a location at approximately 20,000 feet in a controller called Merge Plot, which means that our radar blip was now in the same resolution cell as the contact.
	As we looked around, we noticed that we saw some whitewater off our right side.
	It's important to note that the weather on this day was as close to perfect as you could ask for off the coast of San Diego.
	Clear skies, light winds, calm seas, no whitecaps from waves.
	So the whitewater stood out in a large blue ocean.
	All four of us, because we were an F-18F, so we had pilots and WIZO in the backseat, looked down a small, saw a white tic-tac object with a longitudinal axis pointing north-south and moving very abruptly over the water like a ping-pong ball.
	There were no rotors, no rotor wash, or any sign of visible control surfaces like wings.
	As we started clockwise towards the object, my WIZO and I decided to go down and take a closer look at the other aircraft staying in high cover to observe both us and the tic-tac.
	about 90 degrees from the start of our descent, and the object suddenly shifted its longitudinal axis, aligned it with my aircraft, and began to climb.
	We continued down another 270 degrees.
	We went nose-load where the Tic Tac would have been.
	Our altitude at this point was about 15,000 feet, and the Tic Tac was about 12,000.
	As we pulled nose onto the object, within about a half mile of it, it rapidly accelerated in front of us and disappeared.
	Our wingmen, roughly 8,000 feet above us, lost contact also.
	We immediately turned back to see where the whitewater was at, and it was gone also.
	So as we started to turn back towards the east, the controller came up and said, sir, you're not going to believe this, but that thing is at your cat point, roughly 60 miles away in less than a minute.
	You can calculate the speed.
	What steps do you think you have to be taken to improve a pilot's UAP reporting, be it military or commercial?
	Right now, we need a system where pilots can report without fear of losing their jobs.
	There is a fear that the stigma associated with this topic is going to lead to professional repercussions, either through management or perhaps through their yearly physical check.
	So having a secure system, reducing the stigma, and making this information available through the public is going to reduce the concerns that aircrew have.
	Mr.
	Gresh, finally, do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs?
	Absolutely based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years.
	And where?
	I know the exact locations and those locations were provided to the inspector general and some of which to the intelligence committees.
	I actually had the people with the first-hand knowledge provide a protected disclosure to the inspector general.
	How do you know that these were not our aircraft?
	Some of the behaviors that we saw in a working area, we would see these objects being at 0.0 Mach, that's zero airspeed, over certain pieces of the ground.
	So what that means, just like a river, if you throw a bobber in, it's going to float downstream.
	These objects were staying completely stationary in category 4 hurricane winds.
	These same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds, 1.1, 1.2 Mach, and they would do so in very erratic and quick behaviors that I don't have an explanation for.
	What astonished you the most about the flight capabilities of these TicTac, very briefly?
	The performance.
	Absolute performance.
	And you're not aware of any other objects that anybody in the world has in this world that has those capabilities?
	No, I think it's far beyond, actually, our material science that we currently possess.
	Hi, everyone.
	Another thing, too, that also was interesting in that testimony was they asked one of the guys, because two of the guys on there were former fighter pilots, and they asked him, if the projectile wanted to get hostile, would you have been able to defend yourself?
	And they both said no, because the technology that they had back then was superior to ours.
	And on top of that, when they got closer to it, they said that their radars and their sensors were jamming.
	So, again, I mean, I've always thought that there was life outside of just human beings, right?
	I mean, it's kind of hubris to think, like, oh, yeah, there's nothing else out there except for human beings.
	Like, I've always thought that there was life outside of planet Earth, but this pretty much confirms it.
	And the thing also, because I know some of you guys are saying, this is fake news, blah, blah, blah.
	Here's the thing, bro.
	They've been doing everything they can the past 70 years to keep this stuff out of the limelight, keep this information classified.
	I mean, when it comes to UFOs, this is stuff that's classified at almost, you can argue, at even a higher level than nuclear information.
	But yeah, I'll turn it to you guys.
	What are your thoughts on this situation?
	You guys believe that there's UFOs out there?
	You think this is all cap?
	Turn it to y'all.
	So even the Bible talks about having other beings other than us.
	I need to hit the head real quick.
	Keep going.
	No, don't lean down, nigga.
	Okay, don't.
	All right, go ahead.
	But question for you, Michael and Justin.
	Do you believe UFOs?
	If yes, why?
	If no, why not?
	You want to go ahead, Justin?
	If you really understand how big the galaxy is, I think that there's no way in hell.
	There's not other life.
	And it makes perfect sense to me that we don't understand that life yet.
	My concern or I'm hoping that whatever is out there, regardless of what they found, I think that there's probably something on top of whatever they found.
	It's too big.
	It's too big, bro.
	So...
	It's really like, do they want to bring a smoke or not?
	That's actually what I think about.
	Now, I know that Michael feels a little bit different about this subject because he's staying at my apartment right now.
	There you go.
	So I studied astronomy, and I will tell you...
	The Fermi Paradox, it's unassailable.
	There is other life.
	No astronomer doesn't believe there is other life.
	That is not the issue.
	The issue is the nearest star to Earth is 4.1 light years away, which is 26 trillion miles, which means right now we can't even go 1% the speed of light.
	So that would take 410 years to get there at 1% the speed of light.
	Once you exceed, once you take matter, and I know people are going to say like, oh, but it's different physics for the aliens.
	No, we can observe other galaxies and we can see that gravity works the same way in other galaxies.
	We can observe Andromeda and different parts of the Milky Way galaxy.
	We can see through spectroscopy what stars are made of.
	So we see the elements are the same in different parts of the galaxy.
	And we can use parallax and we can see how things move and we can see how far away they are.
	So we see that the laws of physics tend to be uniform throughout the galaxy and other galaxies.
	And when we see that, one of the things we understand through relativity is that once you push matter up to a certain...
	Just follow along with me for a little while.
	Once you push matter up to getting to a high fraction of C, which is the speed of light, it starts requiring so much acceleration that it would require all the energy that exists in the universe.
	This is the reason why matter cannot travel at the speed of light.
	If these objects that they're describing are made of matter, they call them biologics, which means they're most likely made of carbon.
	They don't have to be made of carbon.
	They could be made of silicate or something else.
	But the reason why we talk about life on this planet as carbon-based life is because carbon allows for four covalent bonds at the same time.
	This is the reason why we and all other life on this planet are made of carbon.
	That's the reason why.
	It's just a unique feature of the carbon atom.
	So, now with that being said, the likelihood of something coming from Proxima Centauri here is extremely low, and other stars are orders of magnitude further away from that.
	There is life.
	I don't think it's ever been here, and I don't think it'll ever be here.
	I do not agree.
	So, the thing is, with the three guys that were up on there, Commander Favors, the guy in the middle, he's a Navy pilot.
	The incident he was talking about happened in 2014.
	No, he was on the right, the older guy.
	The older guy was in the middle.
	Oh, he's in the right?
	The guy in the middle is the chief intelligence officer.
	I forget his name, but yeah.
	So Commander Favors, what I'm saying is these are not one congruent story.
	These are three different people.
	One person is investigating UFOs.
	One person says that he's actually seen the UFOs in the bodies.
	The guy on the one who says he's investigating, he's not seen the UFOs.
	And Commander Favors has not seen the actual biologics.
	These are three different stories from three different people.
	Yeah.
	Personally, I think the guy who says he's seen the biologics has either been lied to, tricked, or something to that effect, because here's the reason why.
	What about, are you familiar with Dr.
	Greer?
	I think so, possibly.
	You'd have to remind me.
	Okay, I'll let you keep going.
	So my issue is this.
	Right now, I had a discussion with my friends about this.
	I'm like, why is this still a secret?
	If you were president of the United States, wouldn't this be the first thing that you would uncover?
	We just had meetings on it.
	The response that I got is, no, it would be a massive amount of civil unrest.
	If you were the president that uncovered, that declassified that there were alien life forms, you'd get reelected in two seconds.
	I don't care what anyone says.
	I watched people riot in the streets during 15 months of COVID. I watched that happen.
	I watched a man, a decathlete, transition to a woman and win woman of the year.
	I watched the president have sex with a porn star and get elected.
	And you're telling me this is going to cause civil unrest?
	That is bullshit.
	My point is, if you were going to lead with this story, you lead with the bodies.
	Let me ask you this, though.
	Go ahead.
	Because Dr.
	Steven Greer, he talked about this, and he said that they uncovered bodies back in 1947.
	In Roswell, New Mexico.
	In Roswell, New Mexico.
	And he said the reason why the president didn't put it out is because there is another body of people that deal with this that aren't...
	Appointed through election.
	And they're basically, you know, what they would call the deep state.
	People that are employed and they're always there.
	So he's saying that these people don't even tell the president what the hell is going on and it's just black ops.
	Yeah, I mean, the point is at some point that has to stop.
	At some point, someone who's elected president is like, hey guys, you know your clearance?
	Fuck your clearance.
	I have higher clearance.
	We're going to declassify all this and no one can stop them or we cut off the money.
	That's how, by the way, that's what CIA does.
	Well, that's what they...
	So if that happens, then show us the bodies.
	The problem is they should have led with the bodies.
	The only guy who I'm even listening to is the guy with the big blue eyes.
	I forgot what his name was.
	The first one speaking.
	The other two, I've heard those stories before.
	People are acting like these are three Pentagon officers.
	No, one of them is a Pentagon officer.
	One of them is a commander in the U.S. Navy.
	Yeah, another one's a fighter pilot.
	Correct.
	So that's the difference.
	My point is, you should have led with the bodies.
	The idea, well, here's what I think is going to happen.
	I think he's either been misled or he's lying.
	And what's going to happen is he's going to go on a bunch of book tours, he's going to go on a bunch of podcasts, and when the bodies never show up, he's going to see, see, the U.S. government is still hiding it from us, and you can't charge him with a crime, and he's going to be rich and famous.
	That's the way I see it.
	Now, I'm not saying he's lying.
	He may actually believe what he saw.
	I do not believe Bob Lazard, when he went to Area 51 and saw the fucking...
	I don't believe in any of that stuff because at some point you have to show me, even with the TikTok videos, like my problem is then there should be 4K 60 frames per second images of this.
	And there isn't.
	You need to show more evidence.
	It's I do believe because of the Fermi Paradox that there is other life.
	It's extremely hard for them to get here.
	And it's just we have too many cameras and we have too much need of evidence.
	It would be so simple.
	I'm telling you right now, if I was President of the United States, the first thing I would do is be like, we're declassifying all this or you guys are going to jail right now.
	You are you're lying to the President of the United States.
	You're going to declassify all this stuff.
	And they're going to be like, we don't have anything.
	Devil's advocate here.
	But how would they know if they're not being told and they don't know who's behind it?
	Then you cut off everything.
	So the thing is, that's what the CIA does.
	Sometimes when they have ops, like a new CIA director comes in and they don't know what an op is, they'll just cut off the funding.
	What happens is whoever's in charge of the op has to come back and be like, yo, yo, yo, what'd you cut off our funding for?
	You cut off the funding.
	You do that, then all of a sudden, it's like putting a...
	I'm just trying to think.
	It's called a canary trap.
	But you would sit there and whoever was doing this would be like, hey, yo, we need the funding.
	I'm like, who are you again?
	What are you hiding?
	Were you saying Megatron is inside the Hoover Dam?
	Show me Megatron.
	Like it would be something like that, right?
	That's my point.
	My point is there are simple ways using Occam's razor to suss this stuff out.
	And there's no way you can tell me that if a president of the United States came out and explained to the world that we have found extraterrestrial life, that there'd be riots in the streets.
	No, there wasn't.
	We saw the towers fall on 9-11.
	We've been attacked by Japan at Pearl Harbor.
	There's so many things that have happened to this world and that we didn't know.
	I'm telling you, if we found that there were aliens, it would be out of the news cycle in two weeks.
	That's what I'm telling you.
	Because of TikTok, it'd be out of the news cycle in two weeks.
	As a president, I may want to do things, but I'm held to a standard of people above me.
	20 presidents in a row?
	But hold on, hold on.
	The agenda was always to push war and different things, not other life forms or other, I want to say, UFOs.
	So as a result, it was never made a priority.
	But let's say now with this new thing being brought up, It can be said that, okay, now let's look into it further.
	But at the same time, it's like, right now, we haven't had anything because maybe we're not supposed to know right now.
	And because of that, they kept their very history.
	You still have to, like, maybe you can do this after the fact.
	You still have to explain the travel equation to me.
	The problem is the distance traveled and the amount of propulsion necessary to do that.
	And if it is carbon-based life that, you know, carbon-based life on this planet, I know we're just using this planet, so it's pretty biased.
	Like the longest living creatures period are like redwoods in the northwest or like coral reefs.
	And that's we're talking a couple hundred years.
	You would need objects to live inside of these crafts for thousands of years in order to travel these distances.
	And that's the only problem.
	I'm just using a map.
	I could argue that they were already here.
	In this, like, I want to say, verse.
	But at some point, they have to get here.
	And at some point, again, the thing that would happen is, if he said that these were translucent beings that did not exist in our physical world, I'd be like, okay, now you can travel to speed of light.
	I could see that.
	But he's saying these things are made of physical matter.
	And anyone who has a basic understanding of Newtonian or Einsteinian physics, you know you can't travel fast enough in order for them to get here from some of the places.
	Michael, is there any chance that...
	Their version of physics is better than ours.
	Well, again, the first thing I brought up was when we look at other galaxies, we can see a uniformity in the laws of physics through the, what's it called, the periodic table.
	We can actually, a lot of people don't realize this, so spectroscopy, the way it works, CSI teams do this.
	They'll take a volume of gas, they can shine a light through it, and there's certain wavelengths that don't emit, and you can tell this is methane, this is oxygen, this is carbon, this is whatever.
	Okay.
	This is carbon dioxide.
	That's when we use the James Webb Telescope to look for exoplanets.
	That's one of the things we look for.
	We look for methane, carbon dioxide, things like that, so we can say, oh, this is a possible planet that may house life.
	Because we can see far, and we can see other galaxies, and we can use spectroscopy, parallax, and we can use gravity, the laws of gravity, to see.
	What we see is in all these other places, there's no place where we look and say, well, gravity is only half as strong there.
	Gravity is twice as strong there.
	The laws of orbital dynamics work here, but not here.
	And then there's a weird element in this star that's not in it.
	We don't see that Anywhere.
	Everywhere we look, we see uniformity and homogeneity throughout the universe.
	And so because of that, there's no evidence that I've seen that the laws of physics are different somewhere else than they are here.
	But Michael, I asked you this earlier before the show.
	Do you know what you don't know?
	Of course not.
	Here's the problem.
	What I don't know, the perimeter, so as the area of my intelligence increases, so does the perimeter of my ignorance.
	But I can't keep saying what I don't know is aliens or God.
	That's not science.
	At some point, you have to say there is a way to discover this.
	My whole thing is I'm skeptical because no one has even come close to attempting an answer to some of the questions that I have about how the fuck did they get here and how has nobody just shown the bodies after all this time?
	You would win a fucking Nobel Prize if you did this.
	Don't tell me it would be civil unrest.
	I do not understand the motivation of all the presidents.
	You're telling me Bill Clinton would have been like, well, let's take a look at these aliens.
	All right, let's show them.
	He would have got reelected.
	I mean, not reelected, obviously, but I think this whole thing is a huge distraction.
	That argument of being re-elected, bro, it's already rigged.
	We know what's going to happen.
	Rigged or not, you would be incredibly popular if you were the president that showed the world that there were UFOs.
	You already know who's going to be president next.
	How about this?
	How about the president of Russia?
	How about the president of Xi Jinping?
	The Soviets also came out And there are enemies.
	They also came out with information as well as dealing with UFOs.
	When this congressional stuff came out, Russia basically shared a lot of their UFO encounters, and they actually tried to engage with these fucking...
	My point is, why don't they have biologics also?
	And you're telling me, because you don't have to worry about...
	They might, but they're just not going to tell us.
	At some point, there has to be a point of failure.
	There are 8 billion humans on this planet.
	Someone needs to drag a body up, take it to a chemistry lab and be like, this is a form of matter that does not exist in our universe or does not exist on our planet.
	This is an alien.
	There's too many points of failure.
	There's too many cell phones.
	There's too many things that go wrong for me to believe that they actually have these biologics sitting there.
	I'm going to say this one more time.
	If I'm rich, I'm going to lead with the Lambo.
	I'm not going to tell you I'm rich.
	If Mike Tyson doesn't have to tell you he can fight, he just knocks you out.
	Show me the bodies first, then do the press conference.
	That's all I'm saying.
	You're asking them to show you what they've been keeping secret for a while.
	And it's like, why show you when I have everything that I need?
	However, at the same time, I live on 84th floor.
	In this building, right?
	And...
	What the hell?
	I don't know...
	No!
	Listen to me, right?
	Stupid!
	Nigga just docked himself.
	No, I'm leaving anyway.
	I'm gone.
	The point is that like...
	Fresh leaving.
	I've seen...
	Things in the sky that I can't even comprehend.
	There's usually drones or the planet Venus.
	No, no, no, no.
	The same movement he's mentioned where it went like this and this, the zigzag back and forth, like super fast, and it disappeared.
	I've seen that shit.
	Sure.
	I put on my phone to record it, but by the time I put on my phone, it was gone.
	Sure.
	Now, it sounds crazy.
	So you actually saw it.
	I saw it.
	It's funny.
	The girl I was talking to at that point, she saw it too.
	So I'm like, what the fuck was that?
	It wasn't a plane.
	It wasn't a freaking like...
	It could be a drone.
	That's my point.
	No, no.
	I can see what a drone is.
	So different kinds of drones.
	Like a Global Hawk or a Predator.
	A cone-shaped object.
	It went like this, this, and it disappeared.
	And I'm like, what the fuck was that?
	You saw that on the 84th floor.
	It was able to move laterally without any type of...
	In two seconds.
	Gone.
	And I was just like, how's this possible?
	Now, I don't know what that was.
	It could be a UFO. I don't know what it was.
	I'm just saying, there's things that we don't understand.
	And to say that like, oh yeah, show me the proof?
	Why did they show us?
	We're freaking...
	Well, I don't want to say very...
	If your narrative is correct in this congressional meeting...
	Go show the Goy!
	Oh, fuck, bro.
	I didn't hear what he said.
	You don't want to hear it.
	If this is true, if your narrative is true, then this is your first single point of failure.
	But I'll bet you a steak dinner in five years, there was no bodies.
	We don't see any additional proof, and these guys have all enriched themselves in all written books, and there's no additional...
	I'm telling you, the thing is...
	You should look at some of Stephen Greer's work, man.
	I'll definitely look at it, but lead with...
	He's a leading person on this, and he has been covering this for like 30 years.
	I watched one of his documentaries, Unacknowledged, yesterday, and it's a very compelling case for space, but I can see your perspective, too, where you're saying, I don't doubt that there's life out there.
	I doubt, how the hell did they get here?
	Yes.
	The problem is if we're dealing with objects that are made of matter, maybe they're not made of carbon.
	Most likely they are, by the way.
	What if they're so technologically advanced, playing devil's advocate here, because you do make a very good point here.
	The speed at which they would travel to come here, they wouldn't be able to survive.
	What if their technology is so advanced that they're able to Okay, so here's the thing.
	If they were able to move at the speed of light, so that's the other thing.
	What they need is either a generational ship or the ability to move in stasis.
	That could happen.
	The problem is we're getting back to the same thing.
	So let's say you look at a planet that is far away.
	So you guys realize a planet that is 65 million light years away would take a telescope, look at the Earth, and you know what they would see?
	They would see dinosaurs.
	That we're here 65 million years ago because light travels at 186,282 miles a second.
	Light travels, so they would not...
	The likelihood of them finding us is infinitely small.
	The likelihood of them coming...
	This planet is 3.8 billion years old.
	The humans have only been on this planet for 300,000 years.
	And they've only been intelligent, meaning had writing and reading and marriage and all this kind of stuff for 11,700 years.
	So the likelihood of them showing up at this one planet in the Orion arm of the galaxy at this one...
	Period of time to get here at the perfect time when they're...
	What's an explanation for that, though?
	Well, the travel time would be like even...
	Let's just say they come from halfway down the Orion Arm.
	That's still 50,000 light years.
	They have to get it perfect.
	You see what I'm saying?
	And let's say they're traveling at the speed of light.
	Somehow they figured out FTL, faster than light travel, and they do that.
	The reality is it's still going to take them 50,000 years.
	Now, for them, because of time dilation, they're not going to experience any time.
	You're correct.
	Once you go 86% the speed of light, time dilation cuts the time you experience in half.
	They're saying the reason why they've been showing up at that particular time was once we started using nuclear bombs.
	Agree, but still, the radiation from nuclear bombs and, of course, the first emission of television things was that guy who ran Germany in 1939.
	No, that was actually the first television broadcast that went around the world was the guy who ran Germany in 1939.
	That was the first time we had ever shown anything on television.
	But those emissions travel at 300,000 kilometers a second.
	186,282 miles a second.
	Meaning, there's a shell.
	Everything we emit, it emits out like this from planet Earth, but it can only go the speed of light.
	Photons can only travel at one speed, the speed of light.
	That's why it's called C, constant.
	So whatever has to happen, it has to get to us.
	That takes 50,000 years.
	And then it has to go back to them.
	That takes 50,000 years.
	Humans have only been around for 200,000 years.
	The likelihood of them getting here at this point, there's just a bunch of factors that need to be explained to me for me to believe that any of this stuff is real.
	And one more time, I'm going to say this again, lead with the bodies.
	They should have lived with the bodies and not had this congressional hearing.
	They should put subpoenas on people.
	They should name names.
	For this guy, he's willing to be a whistleblower.
	It seems to me he has the information for the location.
	He has the names of all these people.
	So let's start getting subpoenas.
	And then this should...
	Well, they're going to have another one in the skiff.
	For sure.
	They can have another one in the skiff.
	But my point is, we're going to get to a point where like...
	You can't tell me that civil unrest is the reason why they're not exposing these aliens.
	I disagree.
	This story right here should have caused everybody to start burning shit in the streets, and it didn't.
	It's just barely part of a news cycle.
	I'm telling you right now, guys, I'll say this again, and it's because of TikTok and because of other social media platforms.
	If we found unassailable physical proof that there were aliens, it would be out of the news cycle in two weeks.
	No one would care.
	Now, but in the 40s, maybe not.
	Of course not.
	You know what I mean?
	So, okay.
	There's an argument.
	I see your perspective.
	From a religious standpoint where they say aliens are fallen angels.
	And I actually agree because on some level...
	Well, most Christians don't even believe there are aliens because they would have never received the word of God.
	Therefore, they could have never been saved.
	That's what, like, if we had Nick Fuentes on right here, that's what he would say.
	Actually, he agrees with me.
	He thinks that they're aliens?
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	Most fundamental Christians I know don't believe that there's anything as aliens.
	But, like I said earlier, you don't know what you don't know.
	So, they allege that these beings spoke to them, and they learned technology, they learned about how the world really works, how people interact, and they learned things that shouldn't be taught from humans to humans.
	So, That argument is being said that these beings are not material, they're more spiritual, but they've been able to manifest in certain ways and show certain things in the human world.
	If they are spiritual, then they can travel faster than the speed of light.
	But unfortunately, what that guy said is they were biologics.
	And so biologics means that these things were made of...
	I'm assuming carbon.
	That's what it...
	Because the only way for you to determine something is biological versus something that is something that's not, like, inanimate is by...
	It has to have some level of...
	Some ability for mitosis.
	It has to have some sort of equilibrium.
	There's definitions for what life is.
	For him to call it a biologic means that this thing cannot be made of a spirit.
	It's not a...
	It's not a floating ghost.
	It's a physical object.
	But remember what I said.
	They...
	Allegedly spoke to human beings.
	Sure.
	How to create certain things that weren't...
	You're talking about aliens telling the Egyptians how to build the pyramids, that kind of stuff.
	That's in the old times.
	But I'm talking about recently now.
	Yeah.
	They've been able to build a technology that wasn't ever done before, possibly done or seen before.
	Yeah.
	Which is kind of like, okay, what if they built?
	I'm just being the devil's advocate here.
	Sure.
	What if they built that...
	I don't know.
	I'm just saying if they can talk to us or relate to us on some level, we can probably follow the instructions and build whatever they need built.
	I don't know.
	For sure.
	Even if you ever read Contact by...
	I forgot the guy's name who wrote Contact.
	I forget it.
	The astronomer.
	If you even read that, the aliens don't come to us.
	We actually, they send us instructions on how to build a machine so that we can communicate with them.
	But they still don't come here because that cosmic speed limit, that's the problem.
	Matter cannot travel faster than that.
	And so what it does is it makes our neighbors so far away that we can never get to them.
	That's the issue.
	And then the other thing that came up was that, okay, let's say they create this alien force out of nothing, just to say, hey, here's the Messiah, here's the Antichrist, here's the end being that's going to save us all from this peril of, for example, famine, world hunger, money crisis, debt, people dying.
	He's going to be our savior.
	That could be an option too.
	If you were to ask me whether or not, I think it's more likely that aliens came here from another part of the galaxy or a different galaxy to visit us versus the likelihood of humans engineering their own species and then calling that aliens, I'd take the second option to be more likely, to be honest with you.
	But I want to say one more thing.
	You've ever seen a B-2 Spirit?
	It's at a Whiteman Air Force base, a non-nostic in Missouri.
	These jets are about $1.2 million, and they fly.
	They're just a flying wing.
	There's these massive bombers that are stealth.
	Have you ever seen the stealth bomber?
	So the B-2 Spirit is when it was first introduced, when it got out of Skunk Works in...
	What's it called?
	Lockheed Martin.
	The first flights, people would see it and they thought it was a UFO. Right.
	Because no one had ever seen it before.
	I've got news for you.
	The first time an F-35 flew, an F-22, the first time an F-16, an F-18, an F-14, and a B-2, I guarantee you the first time an F-117 flew, people thought they were alien spacecrafts.
	We don't recognize it.
	In 10 years, if it comes out that there's some hypersonic drone that can change direction super fast, like, oh, that's what that was.
	But we don't know.
	The point is, often UFOs are attributed to things that we don't know that already happen.
	And the other issue is, man, the bigger and faster drones get, the less and less I put any credence to these accounts.
	Show me the body.
	That's it.
	That's all you gotta do.
	Show me the body.
	You need to show me something on a display floor at CES that can fucking float with no animation or no jet rocket propulsion or anything.
	Just show it to me.
	That's all you gotta do.
	And I just don't understand why anyone has an incentive to not do that.
	That's my point.
	I would find it hard to believe him if I didn't see him myself, but dude, what I saw that day was incredible.
	The speed it moved was insane, bro.
	I'm flying over Pakistan back in, I want to say, 09, or no, no, this has been 06, and we look to our left and we see things we couldn't explain over Iran.
	So we fly near the border to Iran, and this is during, when I used to fly, we'd go in Iraq one day and then we'd fly into Pakistan the other day.
	It was a KC-135 stradotanker I was flying in.
	And we saw things that we didn't understand at all.
	We would see green glow sometimes in an aurora that would happen where electricity would go through the plane.
	These things, just because we don't understand them initially, we can't...
	What do you think they are?
	Do you think they're an intelligent apparatus from adversaries?
	Do you think it's other aircraft from...
	I think it's a visual anomaly that you see.
	Or it may be not an adversary, it may be our own country.
	Like I said before, the first time, if you and I were walking around in 1982, and we were near Edwards Air Force Base in California, and we saw the first time an F-117 flew over us, we'd be like, God damn, bro, aliens.
	You've never seen an airplane that looked like that in history.
	You would be like, what the fuck is that?
	The first time you saw a Global Hawk or a Reaper...
	So I think it's potentially advanced aircraft that's human-made that just hasn't been shown.
	Potentially, I think it's more likely.
	But you see, UFOs are all different.
	Some of them are Tic Tacs.
	Some of them are saucers.
	There's a bunch of different things.
	So there's a bunch of different...
	I do believe...
	My only point is, I can watch Nicki Minaj hit Cardi B in the head with a fucking shoe in 4K at 60 frames a second, but nobody can show me this alien.
	Nobody can show me this UFO. Clearly, that's my only issue.
	And the other thing is, there's a lot of people who have incentive at this point to get famous.
	The problem is...
	It's not against the law to talk about UFOs.
	Even if you're deliberately not...
	You can talk about ghosts, UFOs, psychics, all that kind of stuff.
	No one takes you off the internet.
	There's no FTC violation for saying that.
	You can say it.
	You make a bunch of money.
	Your cost of goods sold is zero because you're starting rumors.
	And people have an incentive to talk about this stuff.
	There's an entire economy right there near Area 51 where I live in Vegas that's totally based on this idea that they're hiding aliens there.
	They're not hiding aliens there, but that is the first place that they test flew the F-117, the SR-71.
	That's where they test flew the B-2.
	That's where they test flew the F-35, the F-22.
	That's where we test our aircraft.
	That's what we're seeing.
	But anyway, I don't want to go too far because I know some people are just going to disagree with me.
	Like, oh, Michael, you don't know what you're talking about.
	But you still have to explain the distance equation to me because there is a cosmic speed limit.
	That seems to be the biggest thing.
	So you want to answer Yeah, how the hell did they get here?
	They can't even get here, so everything else is disqualified.
	In addition, the other thing is, there's too many people and there's too many points of failure for this cover-up.
	This is not a cover-up like you've had people talking about the invasion of Iraq and it had to do with the Office of Special Operations or whatever.
	That's a small group of people in that cover-up.
	When we talk about this, this is 8 billion people involved in this cover-up.
	Do you understand?
	Dude, if there was a UFO right here, you don't think I'd pull out my fucking phone and start filming this shit?
	It was right there.
	I'd post that stuff in two seconds.
	Just a flying saucer right out here outside of this building.
	Of course, we would all show it.
	Even if I didn't believe in UFOs, if I saw one, I wouldn't try to keep...
	I don't have an incentive to hide it.
	And so my point is, there's too many points of failure at this point, and Occam's Razor would express to me that these are not alien spacecrafts.
	This is just a misidentified thing.
	I promise you, I tried to record it on my phone.
	I couldn't, bro.
	No, for sure.
	I pulled my phone.
	My point is there's too many phones.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Somebody would have caught it at some point.
	That's my point.
	Valid points, man.
	I see your perspective for sure.
	Here's the thing.
	I'm going to try to get Greer on the show.
	I know he had just done an interview with Vlad and he talked about a lot of this stuff in his documentary Unacknowledged.
	He's pretty much the leading UFO person in the world, at least in the United States for sure.
	He's got debriefed A thousand plus people on this stuff.
	He has documents all over the place.
	He's pretty much the person that the Pentagon goes to when it comes to this stuff.
	So, yeah.
	I mean, I'm going to see if anybody in the chat knows...
	I know somebody close to him.
	Let me know.
	We can all agree that there's something out there.
	I'd like to bring him on.
	I agree that some others, but here's my funny, my favorite part about all this, because I'm kind of vaguely reading the chat.
	All the flat earthers and moon landing deniers who hate me, they're all sitting there like not taking me up on this.
	Because if you believe the earth is flat and there's a dome over us, then you know there are no aliens.
	But yet they're not taking my side.
	They still believe in aliens, even though they believe the Earth is flat.
	It's like Princess Diana kills herself and faked her own death at the same time.
	It's like she was murdered and she faked her own death.
	They're believing, they're stacking conspiracies on top of each other.
	It's so funny, even the moon landing deniers won't take my side on this, even though clearly what I'm saying is based in fact.
	I'll try to get him on the show.
	I would love to.
	It would be a civil discussion.
	You can explain this.
	That's a valid point.
	I would love that.
	I don't want to believe there are no aliens.
	I want to believe there are.
	My favorite book series of all time is The Expanse by James S. A. Corey.
	One of the greatest book series.
	The other one is The Three-Body Problem.
	I love books about aliens.
	That's why I got into astronomy.
	But the thing is, I want to believe there's real.
	It's just you have to show me proof.
	I have no bias.
	No one's paying me to have this opinion.
	It's just I've done too much study of Newtonian physics, quantum mechanics, and relativity to believe that any way things could get here.
	If you saw what that guy saw, would you believe it?
	If you saw something in the air going like this...
	Okay, so we're talking about Commander Favors.
	Commander Favors, if I saw it, I would say something was down there that's crazy.
	Fuck, man.
	We gotta look and see what the Chinese have as far as drones.
	That would be my first intimation.
	The other guy who saw the biologics, bro, I gotta know everything.
	You gotta give me samples.
	I'm looking for mitosis.
	I'm looking for telomeres.
	I'm looking for the nucleus and the RNA and the DNA and the atom.
	Do they have DNA? What happens when I put this under this...
	Ultraviolet radiation.
	What happens when I burn this?
	I'm looking for samples.
	Well, Greer said something crazy.
	He said when that plane crashed and they pulled out bodies, alien bodies from there, right?
	And he described them as having big eyes, no ears, a mouth, and a nose.
	And they were about three to four feet tall, right?
	He said that one of them was alive and they kept it alive for about four to five years and they died.
	The UFO. So, I mean, I'm going to work to get him on the show for y'all, man.
	I think it would be a great discussion.
	He's a leading guy when it comes to this stuff.
	None of this offends me.
	Like, I would gladly talk to anybody about this stuff.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because even the guys that went ahead and testified, they don't even know as much as Greer does.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah.
	I'll read these from Rumble Rats, and then we're going to segue into the girls' show for y'all.
	Great content, gentlemen.
	Need more eyes on this topic?
	Question for the panel.
	One thing that you gentlemen do to support the women in your lives, my girlfriend's going through a hard time.
	Thanks, as always.
	Be the stoic support, my friend.
	Be the rock.
	And then that's from Nuclear Potato.
	And then Rudit goes, my best friend brought a fleshy.
	It's a toy that I guess you call a male masturbator.
	And his girlfriend says, this counts as cheating.
	What do y'all think?
	What the fuck?
	I think it's weird, but I don't know how to answer that question.
	Is that cheating, though?
	I don't think it's cheating, but I think it's almost worse.
	Yeah, I think it's bad.
	You're better off going to smash another girl.
	I'd be having more respect for you than that one.
	It's more embarrassing than anything.
	You lose respect.
	You probably lose a girl over it.
	That's just weird, bro.
	In fact, you'd respect him more if he'd have fucked another girl.
	There you go.
	Facts.
	I agree.
	CEO Nate goes, but he's not factoring for the possibility of interdimensional travel slash beings.
	Fresh is right.
	The Bible speaks of fallen angels and messengers on Earth.
	Look into Dead Sea Scrolls slash book of Enoch OGs.
	There you go.
	Cool, yeah.
	No, I am.
	I'm going to get Guerrero on.
	Yeah, for sure.
	I will go ahead and try to get a hold of...
	I know some of y'all probably know who he is, Dr.
	Steven Guerrero.
	I'll try to get him on and then Mike at the same time and we can have a deep discussion on this.
	No, but there's multiple thoughts here.
	Scientific, logical, and then I want to say religion.
	Yeah.
	It's kind of like those three thoughts there kind of have you in different...
	Wouldn't it be a bitch to find out that the Scientologists were right?
	Yeah.
	I think all the books, all the religions of the book say that there's life outside of Earth.
	Yeah.
	On some level.
	We don't know what it is, though.
	I see Mike's perspective as well.
	Just look up the Fermi Paradox.
	100% believe that there's life.
	In fact, look up panspermia, which is the concept of microbial life traveling on asteroids.
	Because there's these things called tardigrades.
	And they are the descendant of something.
	But these tardigrades, we found them in ice.
	And they were suspended for like thousands of years.
	And we can reanimate them.
	They're tiny.
	They're microscopic.
	Somebody had the idea to take them up into space.
	We took them up into space.
	We put these tardigrades into hard vacuum.
	And we brought them back inside the space shuttle.
	And they lived.
	So we know that life can handle these incredibly, they're called extremophiles.
	We know that life can handle these extremely harsh conditions, but that's different from intelligent life in spacecraft.
	This is the idea that meteors or asteroids travel around the galaxy and spread life in different places.
	And one of the ways we'd be able to find that out is if we actually landed people on Mars, dug in the soil, found microbes, and found that they had the same DNA that we did, then we would know that panspermia is real.
	But panspermia is very different from alien spacecraft with people inside of it.
	That's the difference.
	Do you believe in God?
	I do, actually.
	But I believe God on faith, not on evidence.
	I do not believe in a literal interpretation of the Old Testament.
	So you believe and you have faith that he's real, but not aliens.
	So with God, the reason why I have faith...
	Well, you don't admit that he believes it based on faith, not evidence.
	Not evidence.
	No, no, no.
	I know, but like...
	The reason why is because there is an account of Pontius Pilate condemning Jesus Christ, and there's an account of people seeing him die at Calvary, and there's a count of several thousand people witnessing him after he was dead.
	For me, that's a slight bit of evidence, but my choice to believe that he was resurrected is totally based in faith.
	It is not based in evidence.
	So if I told you, read the Bible, and Jesus is real, you just said you need evidence to confirm that?
	No, no, I said I believe him.
	I choose to believe that Jesus died on the cross because of faith.
	It doesn't countervene my belief in gravity.
	It doesn't countervene my belief in the speed of light.
	But you said you need evidence, though.
	No, I need evidence as far as aliens are concerned.
	Yeah, for sure.
	So you need evidence.
	For aliens, but not...
	But I'm also not telling you that physics isn't real because I believe in God.
	Okay.
	That's the difference.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	I'm not prescribing to you that physics.
	I'm not sitting here telling...
	Like, you have a certain person who comes on the show frequently and talks about heredity between black people and white people, but doesn't believe in natural selection.
	I believe in natural selection, even though I believe in God.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	That's fair.
	Cool.
	All right.
	Well, I hope you guys enjoyed that one.
	That was a very high-acute conversation.
	We covered a bunch of things.
	We covered...
	The Trump indictments, UFOs, quantum physics, free speech, a bunch of different things, man.
	The January 6th riots.
	Guys, we're going to be back here with some girls.
	I think we'll probably run it at 9.30, guys.
	So stay tuned.
	We'll be right back.
	Peace.
	Peace.

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