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July 26, 2023 - Fresh & Fit

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Troy Francis Explains How To Do The PERFECT Cold Approach

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	Guys, we're here with Troy Francis.
	We're going to talk about Cold Approach International Gamble.
	Let's go!
	Let's go.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Fresh and Fit Podcast.
	Man, it's Womanizer Wednesday.
	We're here with a special guest, Troy Francis.
	I'm really excited for this one.
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	Anyway, we've got a fresh guest in the house.
	Troy Francis.
	Welcome to the show, man.
	You've been on the show.
	Is this, what, the third time now?
	Third, fourth time?
	Fourth, I think.
	Something like that.
	It's been a few times now, man.
	Yeah, thank you for having me.
	Yeah, of course, dude.
	And real quick, just so you guys get a little bit of a history, right?
	I've known Troy for a very long time.
	So it's, what, 2019 now at this point?
	I think so, yeah.
	Yeah, we met in 2019 through John from Model Life Dating.
	You were gracious enough to have me on your channel before I even had a YouTube channel.
	And I was still doing the fitness thing back in the day.
	And we did a bunch of collabs, Zoom calls, all that with your audience.
	And I never forgot that.
	So, yeah, man.
	I mean, like I said before, just because we grow doesn't mean we're going to forget about those that put us on before.
	So we're happy to have you here, man.
	It's always a pleasure to have you here.
	More people need to know about you.
	And he's a real deal.
	He's a real deal, man.
	Whenever Troy deals with me, I respond as soon as possible.
	Just because, you know, I don't respond to everybody.
	Because he's a real deal.
	Yeah, he's the homie, man.
	So, yeah, you guys, if you're not familiar with him, you will be after this show.
	And shout out to you, Troy.
	But yeah, can you introduce yourself to the people, man?
	Yeah, guys.
	Well, thanks for having me.
	I'm Troy Francis.
	I'm a dating coach.
	I'm a dating content creator, obviously based in London, but I teach guys all around the world.
	I've taught thousands of guys now the art of cold approach, going up to women that they don't know, having a normal, authentic conversation, getting a phone number, getting a date, et cetera, et cetera.
	I've also written a bunch of books about it, and I'm on Rule Zero with Rolly Tomasi.
	The Renegade Playboy.
	Yeah, Renegade Dating Blueprint.
	Yeah, so I've got a whole bunch of books about game, the sexual marketplace, dating, all of those different things.
	My experiences, actionable lessons and stuff.
	So yeah, I do a whole bunch of stuff really.
	Teaching guys is a big part of it, but also content creation and so on.
	And also you're very well-traveled.
	Absolutely, yeah.
	Well, I like to get around a bit.
	Because we were just talking about Columbia before we came on air, and obviously you guys have just been.
	I've been there a couple of times, so it's a place I really like, actually, certainly for the dating side of things.
	Yes, yes.
	So, Troy, let me just update us on what you've been doing.
	Last time you were here, we talked about Cold Approach.
	We're going to talk about it again.
	But a lot has happened since the last time you were, man.
	Update us on your life.
	What's been going on new with you?
	Well, I mean, I did a lot of traveling last year because I think the last time we did a show like this, we were talking specifically about Cold Approach.
	That was probably a couple of years ago now.
	Like a year.
	Yeah, like a year.
	So since then, I've done a lot of traveling.
	Like last year, we spent a lot of time in Poland.
	And again, we were talking about that just before we came on air.
	I'm going out there next month.
	I mean, mate, Poland, Warsaw, absolutely fantastic.
	It's really, really good.
	So I went there last year and spent a lot of the summer out there.
	I remember reading Roosh books back in the day and talking about how he would rave about Poland.
	I've never heard anyone complain about Poland.
	By the way, that's how I first got into this whole game in the first place, really.
	It was because of Roosh V, because I used to write for his blog, Return of Kings.
	So that's because I was going out and doing game.
	I was working a corporate job, but I was going out doing game, meeting different girls, blah, blah, blah.
	And I would do a weekly column on his website, Return of Kings, talking about, you know, this happened, that happened, this was successful, that was successful.
	I got this girl, she rejected me, and all the learnings from that.
	And I started to build that up.
	And Donovan Sharp was on there at the same time.
	And so that's how I kind of first got into making content about all this stuff.
	Gotcha.
	Yeah, and you were, prior to this, you were a writer, right?
	Like, you want to tell people a little bit about your background professionally?
	Yeah, I mean, you know, I've written for various different organs, let's say, you know, different things like Days of Confuse, Vice, The Guardian, lots and lots of different...
	Vice too?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Back in the day, back in the day before...
	Before it became what it is now.
	Nice.
	How much has it changed, man?
	It's changed a lot because it used to be quite renegade.
	It used to be quite sort of...
	In the jungles.
	Yeah, they still do some of that content, to be fair, but it was like anything goes.
	It was less politically correct than it is now, let's say.
	Yeah.
	What year were you writing for them back in the day?
	Oh man, it was, I don't know, it was back in the early 2000s.
	Oh wow, okay, damn.
	It was going back a while.
	Like almost 20 years ago.
	Uh, no, no, sorry.
	Later than that, it was like sort of like 2010s.
	2010.
	Okay.
	Bro, after what they did to Andrew, never again, bro.
	Yeah, as hell.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, they used to be edgy and they used to be like the shit, but yeah, dude, nowadays they're trash.
	And everyone knows it too.
	Like they just fell off.
	Cancelled.
	Was it?
	Cancelled.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Facts.
	They just recently declared bankruptcy, if I'm not mistaken.
	Yep.
	Okay, so you've been out.
	You've been traveling.
	You were in Poland.
	Sorry, we're talking about Poland.
	Yeah, so I spent a lot of time in Poland last year with my colleague James Tusk, who we always say we want to get on and he's never in Miami at the right time.
	So he's another day game kind of guy.
	He's got his own YouTube channel.
	So we joined forces.
	We spent a lot of time in Poland last year.
	In Warsaw, also some of the other cities like Krakow, Łódź, Gdansk, different places.
	It was just great because one of the main reasons being...
	The population massively expanded in Poland last year, for obvious reasons, because of the war.
	So you've got a lot of very beautiful Ukrainian women, but also obviously all of the, you know, the Polish women as well.
	So it's just a fantastic place.
	Really, really good.
	So you spent a lot of time there teaching guys.
	I've been to Istanbul a few times.
	Istanbul?
	Yeah, Istanbul, Turkey, teaching some guys there.
	Okay, more teaching, not necessarily going because you want to go.
	A bit of both.
	And recently we spoke about Ukraine with a shooter.
	How's Ukraine?
	Well, so James went into Ukraine recently.
	He was in Lviv a few weeks ago and I think he's going to go back.
	I may possibly go as well.
	Lviv, for people who don't know, is a city that's just across the border from Poland.
	So it's relatively accessible.
	You can get trains in there or you can get like a taxi over the border.
	It's It got attacked recently, but in general, across the war, it's been kind of unscathed.
	So the atmosphere there is still pretty good.
	And obviously, you know, the people are very appreciative, particularly for British people going in.
	They're very appreciative.
	They really like, you know, so it was good, man.
	It was good.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	No, that's lit, man.
	I mean, Poland has always been...
	Where else have you been recently?
	Bro, you need to go to Jamaica, bro.
	I can only imagine a British folk like you in Jamaica having a good time with some of them.
	Bit of sort of colonialism.
	I went to Riga in Latvia, actually.
	So a lot of these Eastern European countries.
	Oh, Romania as well.
	So I've been in Bucharest quite recently as well.
	So Riga, I have to say, Because we do a bit of this passport pro type thing.
	I know it's become a bit of a buzzword now, but to me it just seems like it's kind of common sense.
	If you want to date attractive women and you want to go somewhere where maybe you've got a little bit more status perhaps in your home country, why not do that?
	So anyway, we check out these different places.
	So Riga in Latvia, I've got to say, A bit of a damn squid.
	I wasn't a massive fan, to be honest.
	There were some very beautiful Latvian women, but it was just a bit not great.
	Bucharest, on the other hand, I really like.
	I think it's a great place.
	Yeah, Bucharest is pretty cool.
	Yeah, because you guys were there, weren't you?
	Yeah, we were there.
	We spent some time with Tate Bros and a lot of people speak English there, which is cool.
	Yeah.
	A lot more people speak English there than you would think.
	And yeah.
	Like, I didn't feel like...
	People say that Romania is a very poor country.
	It didn't feel like it was poor to me.
	But, I mean...
	Well, to be fair, we were the top days.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We were.
	But, like, you know, even when we're out, like, at the mall and shit like that, it wasn't...
	It had nice cars.
	Yeah, like, it wasn't like a...
	Like, it was...
	Maybe I'm sure if you leave Bucharest or maybe certain parts of Bucharest, but, like, in general, it's a very nice city.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there's some really upscale places.
	Yeah, no danger.
	Yeah, some upscale places in Bucharest, for sure.
	And particularly in the center, obviously, you've got really nice hotels, nice restaurants, all that kind of stuff.
	That's the only thing I didn't like about Medellin, is it's not safe.
	You know what I mean?
	Honestly, you've got to be on guard.
	For example, we don't know the areas, per se, where you shouldn't go.
	So you don't want to wander into areas.
	That was the only thing I didn't like, was Medellin isn't really that safe.
	You shouldn't go there by yourself.
	Or you should at least go with friends.
	Especially if you don't speak the language.
	Or at least get some intel before you go.
	Obviously the good thing now is because we've got the internet, we've got all these connections, it's quite easy to find out From people, you know, what the vibe is like.
	I mean, because James travels a lot, so I get a lot of info from him.
	So they've been to places like Argentina, so I'm going to go to Argentina soon.
	You know, we talk about Peru, there's Bolivia, there's all these different places.
	So, you know, there's a big world out there.
	How do you cross the language barrier when you travel?
	As far as dating is concerned, so I personally have never found it to be a huge barrier.
	Me either.
	Yeah, because all we do is we go up, obviously introduce yourself to the girls, say hi, whatever.
	Often they can speak a bit of English anyway, so that's the first thing, because obviously English being the, you know...
	Central language kind of thing.
	But if they don't, you can just pull out Google Translate.
	Yeah, my best friend.
	You know, and I've had whole, like, mini relationships with women that just entirely conducted on Google Translate.
	You know what I mean?
	It's even better.
	They talk less.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	So, like, last year...
	Last year, I was dating this Ukrainian girl for a bit in Poland.
	She lived in Warsaw.
	I was sort of seeing her for a bit.
	And her English was very small.
	She didn't speak a lot of English.
	And we were just like, it was all Google Translate and a bit of sign language and a bit of like just general.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	And it's fine.
	It's definitely doable.
	I mean, I'm not saying you get married to somebody in that situation, but it's definitely doable for like a bit of short term fun or like a sort of short term relationship or something.
	Yeah.
	Let me ask you this.
	There's been an explosion in the whole Passport Bros movement, right?
	It's been going on forever.
	It's been going on for the better part of a decade.
	You can go look at Roosh's books where he literally wrote a book, bang, insert country here, right?
	Like, bang Ukraine, bang Brazil, bang.
	They actually got them banned in a lot of places.
	Why do you think it's exploded so much, especially now in the 2020s and beyond?
	Like, it was a thing in the earlier 2000s, kind of like hush-hush, nobody knew about it.
	If you weren't in this community, you really didn't know.
	But, like, now it's exploded.
	It's mainstream.
	Why do you think so?
	I think partly the internet and people are more aware of it as a possibility, but I think it's largely down to the things that we always talk about, which is the difficulties of the dating marketplace in a place like the USA or in the UK or Western Europe.
	We all know the dating marketplace is a bit of a shit show, to be honest.
	And guys are, I think, increasingly thinking, well, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
	I'm going to try my luck elsewhere.
	So I think it kind of comes down to that, really.
	What would you say?
	Oh, sorry.
	No, no.
	Obviously, women act in quite a masculine way in some of these countries where we're from.
	And I think a lot of guys appreciate the femininity of women in Eastern Europe or Latin America.
	So...
	Increasingly, they're going to go there and check it out, I think.
	How much do you think the internet and social media has contributed to this explosion of the passport bros?
	I think, well, it's definitely made it a lot more doable, hasn't it?
	Because now you can be in touch with her, even if you're not living in her country.
	For me, typically, I'll be dating.
	I'll have different connections, different links in different places, and I might be in contact with one or the other.
	You can be in contact with them, obviously, on WhatsApp or whatever, Instagram.
	You can stay in contact with people more easily.
	Travel is relatively cheap, so it's easier to get around, travel to these places.
	Yeah.
	And obviously you've got the apps as well.
	I don't personally particularly use the apps very much, but I've got nothing massively against them.
	I don't think they work particularly well for average guys.
	I don't personally use them very much, but you can do a bit of pipelining.
	You can be like, right, I'm going to do a trip to Brazil, so I'm going to do some pipelining in Rio.
	Can you tell people what pipelining is?
	Yeah, so it's basically just going onto the app and lining up some dates before you get to the location.
	So you might do it a week before, two weeks before, set your location to Rio or wherever it is, and then get some dates sorted out before you get there.
	So it gives you kind of a soft landing, you know?
	It's funny, I do that on Instagram, or when I get there.
	The moment I get there, geolocation that area, just find girls I want to talk to, send a DM, done.
	Yeah, yeah, nice, nice.
	So, what do you think, as far as dating apps go, what have you seen works the best internationally?
	I mean, I'm sure different countries have different apps that work the best.
	Yeah.
	What would you say?
	From the times you do use dating apps.
	I know you mostly do cold approach, and we'll get into that.
	I think my general impression is Tinder's burnt out, to be honest.
	I just think Tinder's like, you know...
	I think Bumble now seems to be the main one.
	It's working well.
	I mean, obviously, it's a little bit annoying because they've got a...
	Message you first.
	But in general, I think Bumble is really good.
	And some people talk about Hinge.
	I'm not a fan of Hinge, really.
	Hinge is super city-dependent, I've noticed.
	In certain places, it's terrible.
	In other places, it's great.
	It's really dependent upon where you are.
	Like, super, like, more than the other apps.
	You know what's crazy, though?
	What?
	I find nowadays a lot of people are getting, well, becoming couples from Hinge, which is crazy.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Yeah, from the dating app of Hinge.
	I don't know why, but it's working out.
	Yeah, because girls take that the most seriously of all the apps.
	I would say Bumble and Hinge are what they take seriously.
	And then Tinder, I agree with you.
	Tinder nowadays is like, it is burnt out, and girls are just using it to, especially with OnlyFans and shit, they're just using that to funnel you to OnlyFans.
	I've had guys that I've worked with Who tell stories about how they'll start conversations with girls on Tinder.
	And then she'll be like, Oh, well, actually, I'm not in the country at the moment.
	But if you could, you just send me a bit of money because I needed to shit like that, you know, and it's just I mean, obviously, you should nobody should be taken in by that nonsense.
	But the fact that the fact that women are doing that is it just shows you the state.
	Oh, yeah, you know, it's crazy when they're like, literally putting their Venmo's and their cash apps in their in their profile.
	But yeah, yeah.
	Like, that's when you know, like, it's like, okay, they give zero fucks anymore.
	Yeah.
	But then you've got the actual sugar apps as well.
	I mean, that's another thing.
	And I think, you know, we talked about this before where...
	The ideal with the sugar apps is to use them as a dating app.
	So you use it to meet women to take out on dates, not actually to pay them.
	That's the trick.
	You don't want to be the chump who's, you know, you certainly don't want to be paying like stupid allowances or any of that nonsense.
	But you want to be, if you're, you know, but if you can use it as a sourcing method, I think that's fine.
	I think that's, you know, I mean, John did a course about it a while back, didn't he?
	Yeah, we did it together.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I think it's actually one of the best ways.
	I think it's better than dating apps.
	Because here's the thing.
	Me and Fresh have done split tests on this.
	We've had it where we've matched with a girl on Tinder, and then that girl will go ahead and message you on a sugar site.
	And she won't respond to you on Tinder, but she'll respond to you on a sugar site.
	So it's like, just by you having the higher perceived status, she'll respond.
	And then that's what you needed to get the date in the first place.
	Which is wild.
	Because we were experimenting with sugar wraps over the past year or so to really kind of figure out, okay, so how can we help clients with this, you know, for research purposes.
	And it's actually quite interesting because I think you're right.
	I think the perceived status...
	Really makes a difference.
	Huge.
	And it's kind of crazy that women are almost taken in by that in a way, because, you know, you've just put yourself on the app.
	I mean, you're just some bloke who's uploading some photos, but she almost thinks, oh, he's on here, so therefore he must be of, you know, of this kind of, like, caliber.
	And so it gives you standout that you probably wouldn't otherwise get if you're just some idiot on Tinder.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and it sounds awful, but, like, the reality is that, like, women care about money, and they care about it a lot, unfortunately.
	And, you know, I'm not telling you guys, like, oh, yeah, just get money, and that's it, because then you're going to be getting used.
	But they've done this on Tinder, too, where, like, a guy had put a picture of himself winning, like, the lottery, and, like, he got ten times more matches.
	Seriously?
	Yeah, when he was, like, holding this big-ass check, it was an Asian guy.
	He did it.
	And he was able to get way more matches.
	But the thing is that having a higher perceived status definitely helps you.
	It's just that I think that where guys run into issues with sugar sites is they use it to basically be a trick.
	And you don't want to do that.
	And I tell guys, if you just want to go ahead and not deal with the bullshit, just put on your shit.
	You don't do PPM or any of that weird shit.
	Yeah.
	And you'd be surprised that actually if you're not like a bum and you're not like dirty or anything else like that and you got good professional photos, you'd be surprised at how many girls will actually message you because there's a lot of women on there that are actually successful themselves.
	Yeah.
	They just want a guy that isn't a bum.
	Yeah.
	I will say the quality of girls on those sugar apps is a little bit different because those girls are actually looking for something a bit more stable versus Tinder is like a quick fucking N. All right, cool.
	Let's see what happens from there.
	If you can even get that.
	But yeah, sugar sites...
	Yeah.
	Typically, you get two types of girls.
	You got the girls that are just looking there like, I'm just looking for sugar daddy, I'm just looking for a trick, blah blah blah.
	You don't want those bitches, fuck them, those escort bitches.
	Then you got the girls that are like, okay, I'm on here to date, but a lot of the times these girls, right, they'll be professionals, their profile will be private, so you can't even find them.
	They have to message you.
	Their shit is completely hidden.
	So, If you're an attractive guy, you got your shit together, you got good professional photos, you will get messages from girls, guys.
	You absolutely will.
	And you just use it, like you said, as a sourcing thing.
	But I think where guys fuck up is they, oh, yeah, I'll send you some money or I'll do PPM. I'm like, fuck no.
	If a girl approaches you with, oh, I want an allowance or I want to be spoiled, you say, no, I don't do that.
	But don't be confused, though, because it's only because of the higher perceived status, too, as well.
	That goes a long way.
	Yeah.
	I think you've just got to have certain red lines about what you're going to do.
	And basically, not giving them money is the main one.
	But using it as a filter...
	Guys, fuck that one up all the time, man.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	But no, you're right, because I think there's two very distinct groups, isn't there?
	Like you said, there's the ones who just want a load of cash, and they're like, yeah, I want a Dior handbag, I want five grand a month, whatever it is.
	And then you've got the other ones, and they tend to be more like, I'm just looking to meet, I'm just looking to travel, I'm looking to meet a high-value guy, I want to meet more interesting, intelligent guys, that kind of thing.
	Those are the ones that you want to meet.
	Those are the girls you want, yeah.
	And I always tell guys, you've got to put yourself, go into a dream world, right?
	You kind of almost have to put yourself in a female's shoes so you can understand.
	A lot of girls, when they go on these tender, bumble, and hinge dates, the reason why so many women don't take them seriously is because they'll show up on a date, the guy will be awkward, you won't know how to speak properly, you won't understand tonality, you won't have interesting stories, he'll split the bill with her.
	Girls go on these dates a lot of times and they're constantly underwhelmed because, let's be honest, guys, a lot of dudes are fucking losers.
	A lot of guys aren't watching content like this.
	A lot of guys aren't understanding frame.
	A lot of guys aren't a red pillow wearer.
	So they're fucking simps.
	They're weirdos.
	They're awkward, whatever it may be.
	Even if they got money, they're strange.
	So girls go on these dates and they're like, what the fuck?
	So if I'm going to deal with a lame, I'm just going to deal with a lame that has money.
	So your job is to come in and not be lame and also be successful.
	That's when you fucking got them.
	Yeah, but that is a really interesting topic.
	And that leads back to almost the cold approach stuff.
	Because what we're realizing increasingly is that a lot of guys...
	Guys who are drawn to that kind of concept, who need training in this stuff, they tend to be a little bit...
	We're using the word flannels.
	They're kind of flannels.
	They're a bit weedy.
	They're a bit weak.
	They don't really put themselves across in the best possible way, in front of the women's.
	So what you're saying, like on the date, they don't express themselves well.
	They're not dominant.
	They're not, et cetera, et cetera.
	And the reality is those guys could be rich.
	Those guys could have money.
	They could even be, yeah.
	I mean, I've taught guys this year who've been like multimillionaires, you know, dudes who've made money from crypto.
	They've got the money, but they haven't got the other thing.
	It's that X factor.
	And that's the thing that we're trying to teach.
	I think having money and not having frame is the most dangerous thing ever.
	It's really bad.
	We say that all the time.
	You mentioned earlier, Bitcoin boys that make money from e-commerce.
	All these young kids with money don't have any type of frame at all.
	That's the worst.
	Be rich in your 20s with no understanding of female nature or game or frame, you're fucked.
	Bro, you're literally like a gazelle in the safari with a bunch of lions circling you.
	Because people say all the time, like, oh, men are the hunters, etc.
	A lot of the time, the women are the ones that are hunters and hunting you motherfuckers.
	And we've seen on the show, girls mention, oh yeah, I met this guy at the club.
	He's got a bunch of money in Bitcoin and we just went to his house and finessed him.
	Women are the real predators, bro.
	He paid them to stay there.
	Longer.
	So imagine...
	Really?
	They were there for a couple hours.
	He said, oh, don't leave.
	I'll give you five grand each to stay longer.
	Five K each just to stay longer with him.
	That's wild!
	Once again, no type of frame or game.
	No.
	What the fuck, bro?
	No, bro.
	Like, yo, the more...
	Like, yeah.
	Women are the real fucking predators when it comes to shipping.
	And the reason...
	My reasoning is this.
	There's way more women finessing men than there are men finessing women.
	For every one guy that's finessing a chick, there's 20 girls finessing a dude.
	Pretty much.
	That's why, if you think about it, when girls get got, they say, I'll have no fear like a woman's scorn.
	When women got got, they get fucking angry.
	And it's memorable to them.
	How many times have we been got?
	A million times.
	Oh, I don't even remember anymore.
	I've been gone so many times.
	But that's just how it is.
	Women really are the real predators because more of them are good at it than men are.
	It was so impactful.
	They made a whole series on Netflix.
	Yeah, you're right.
	With the fucking Tinder swimmer.
	Yeah, that guy.
	A woman finessing a dude?
	Another day in the office.
	Do you think that's a woman?
	Fucking Netflix special.
	Movie?
	Yeah, sorry.
	Do you think that's because girls are more emotionally intelligent?
	They're a bit more Machiavellian as well, aren't they?
	They can sort of They've got that finessing down when they're quite young.
	They've had so many experiences with men from the time they were 15 years old onward that they didn't know, for example, if he's going to be weak, he's going to be strong, he's going to be a bad boy, a nice guy.
	And once again, with that many experiences, I'll take advantage.
	This is what I say, right?
	Because people get mad at me all the time.
	And me and you have talked about this since fucking 2019, about guys got to get out there and fuck a bunch of girls and get experience.
	People get mad at me when I say 50 girls, right?
	And then they're like, oh, that's too much or blah, blah, blah.
	And then I tell them, okay, well, let's pretend in 10 years you got a fucking match, a black belt match against someone, right?
	Who's been training karate, et cetera, waxing on, waxing off, fucking training Mr.
	Miyagi, time chamber, all this shit.
	You got this match in 10 years.
	What are you going to do?
	Well, an intelligent person would train, wouldn't they?
	They'd go to the gym.
	They'd understand how to defend.
	They learn how to punch, how to properly strike, how to kick, all this shit.
	They'd figure it out, right?
	But most guys effectively don't do shit.
	And they just show up to this black belt person to get their ass whooped.
	Who's that black belt holder?
	It's a fucking female.
	Because by the time you're 25 and she's 25, she's had way more training with the opposite gender than you have.
	And she understands what ticks men off, what gets them turned on, etc.
	And most importantly, she's dealt with a variety of different men and she understands where you stand in the social pecking order once she speaks to you.
	So she's able to put you in a certain box.
	Most guys can't put a girl in a box to save their fucking life.
	They can't tell if a girl's a whore, if she's a good girl, whatever.
	Most guys can't even vet a woman properly.
	But women absolutely can see what type of guy it is and what kind of caliber it is.
	Girls know who they can play games with and who they can't.
	Most guys don't.
	So I say, yo, you need to get out there and fucking go to dojo and train as well because this is a very important decision you're going to make.
	If you pick the wrong girl, it could fuck your life up.
	But yeah, it goes back to what you were saying.
	I think it's a...
	Yeah, Machiavellian for sure.
	Yeah.
	They're able to detach easier from guys.
	And I think a part of it is biological as well.
	But yeah, men suffer way more from breakups than women do.
	Yeah, definitely.
	And women have that kind of...
	They call it the light switch effect, don't they?
	Where women can be just like...
	Good point, yeah.
	You know, you're with a girl and it's all going really great.
	And you think, oh, this is brilliant.
	Oh, just coming up on a Sunday watching Netflix.
	And then suddenly she's like, I'm not happy!
	And then it's like...
	And it's all done.
	And she just cuts it off immediately.
	And there are studies that show that women lose interest way faster than men do in men.
	Yeah.
	And this is the problem.
	Don't you think this is the problem with monogamy?
	Because, I mean, you know, there's some people in this space, obviously, they're promoting monogamy, like marriage and, like, Trad-cons?
	Oh, let's talk about that, too.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talk about that.
	But the problem is, it's very, very hard to keep something going, isn't it?
	Particularly because of, you know, this loss of interest from the women's point of view.
	And to be honest, just to add to your point here as well, when you're a monogamous, things become boring, mundane, same routine.
	She's going to get bored.
	Versus, you know what, let's take a trip here, let's go here, let's do this.
	And they're far more likely to be bored.
	They're the ones ending relationships and being bored.
	Sorry, you were saying?
	Well, it's 70%, isn't it?
	Yeah, 70 to 80.
	They're the ones that ended in divorce, yeah.
	So this is, I think, is another problem.
	Because even if the guy does luck out and he gets his girlfriend, you know, he finally, after he's been on Tinder for 10 years and he's swiped a million times and he's finally lucked out with this one girl.
	And then he thinks, all right, okay, now I can sit back.
	Now I can relax.
	Now it's all fine because I've got my girl.
	We can sit.
	We can watch Netflix.
	Everything's cool.
	But it just fucking isn't, you know?
	Especially if she lives here, especially in Miami.
	Do you know what I mean?
	I don't know how as a society we get out of this problem.
	I don't think there's a solution, to be honest.
	I think this is just how things are.
	So we have to learn to adapt.
	What are your thoughts on these Stratcons running around and saying religion this, religion that?
	What's your thoughts on all that?
	Well, I think there's a bunch of guys, particularly on Twitter, that I see who are, you know, they promote this stuff.
	And I actually think it could be quite damaging for young men.
	Also, the other thing that's really stupid is you get a lot of guys who are, like, in their 20s, you know, and they've been with a woman for, like, maybe a year or two years or something like that.
	And they're like, yeah, man!
	You know, just, you know, live the dream like me.
	You know, just forget all this red pill nonsense.
	Forget all this running around and banging hoes.
	You know, you want to be with your girl and blah, blah, blah.
	It's like, these guys haven't done the hard yards in monogamy.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Like, if you want to talk to someone about monogamy, talk to Rollo Tomasi, who's been married for like, what, 20, 25, 27 years.
	Do you know what I mean?
	And he says, no, don't do it.
	Well, yeah, exactly, exactly.
	But there used to be, I don't know if you know that guy, Caleb Jones.
	He was a blogger called Black Dragon.
	I don't, but he had the name black dragon.
	He's he's his real name is Caleb Jones, but he used to talk about monogamy on his blog a lot.
	And he would basically say, look, I mean, first few years.
	Great.
	You know, first two, three years.
	It's amazing.
	It's brilliant.
	Who wouldn't like that?
	When you get to five years, you get to 10 years, you get to 15 years.
	Yeah.
	You know that now you're doing the hard yards.
	Now you're on the bloody, you know, you're on the prison yard, aren't you?
	Cage match, man.
	Exactly.
	And that's when it gets tough.
	So I don't think people can really talk about monogamy and all this stuff unless they've really fucking done it.
	Do you know what I mean?
	For a length of time.
	For a long time.
	And then maybe they can say, yeah, I've got some tips.
	You know, I can teach you about like Dread Game or, you know, whatever it is to try and keep the excitement going.
	And people underestimate how much frame you need to maintain that for years.
	Like you could manage it for a month or two or a couple, you know, maybe a year.
	But after, like you said, before the fifth year, bro, the level of restraint and command you need for that to work, it's almost impossible to maintain.
	It really is, bro.
	Yeah, and that's why I think people are looking at different models for this now.
	If you look at, say, people like even the Tates or like Sterling or people like this, and they're sort of saying, yeah, we want to have kids.
	We want to pass on our genetic lineage.
	But it's not necessarily going to be just settling down.
	It's not going to be settling down one woman going and living in a small town somewhere.
	It's going to be probably multiple women, probably in different locations.
	And they're looking for different ways to make it work.
	You know what I'm saying?
	My thing with the Tradcons is that, I've said it before, I'll say it again, I think the nuclear family is the backbone of any thriving society.
	It's what works, right?
	But unfortunately, the conventions that kept it in place are no longer in place.
	Religion, shame, society, families, fathers, all these things have been destroyed thanks to feminism and modern day society.
	So it's like...
	The things that kept women in check are no longer there.
	And I would argue the things that kept women in check are absolutely destroyed and it's the other way around.
	Now we have things in place that incentivize women to do things that are not conducive to a long-term monogamous relationship.
	And who's ending the relationships?
	Who's more likely to be bored?
	It's not the men ending things.
	It's the women.
	So my thing is, is that in today's day and age, right, with these guys, because here's the thing with these trad cons, they always say religion, religion, religion.
	Religion is not going to save you.
	If anything, it's going to put the blinders on you and you think you're going to be saved.
	But what's going to happen is your girl is going to be religious today and then go ahead and subscribe to feminism and liberalism tomorrow.
	So my thing is adapt to the situation.
	I agree with you, Troy.
	We're not going to fix it because women aren't going to regress on all the work that they've done to get to this point of equality and feminism.
	I would argue that women have more rights and privileges than men do nowadays.
	So they're not going to go and concede and be like, you know what?
	Yeah, maybe we should get back in the kitchen.
	Yeah, there's a couple girls that do it here and there for social media, etc.
	They're conservatives, if you guys know what I'm saying.
	They're conservative themselves.
	They're saying that because they know they'll get clicks because it's the other way around.
	But most women, even these conservative chicks, they're capped.
	They're not really conservative.
	They're just there.
	They're trying to get some clicks.
	They know that this is the way to go.
	Go against the grain because most women are what?
	Super liberal.
	I'm strong and independent.
	I'm going to do my thing.
	I don't see us going back to women being in the kitchens and putting aprons on.
	It's not happening because women aren't going to concede.
	So what I foresee is that if anything, it's going to continue to get worse.
	So what do we say?
	Yo, religion ain't going to save you, right?
	Your mom ain't gonna save you.
	Morals isn't gonna save you because these girls don't have morals anymore and they don't have the shame of religion or any of these other things.
	So you need to adapt to the marketplace and understand that you gotta understand female nature for what it is.
	And a lot of these trad cons just don't fucking get it, man.
	Perfect example is Nico.
	This guy can't even control his own girls, man.
	So how do you keep something going for years?
	I'm just telling you, bro.
	Nico L. But yeah.
	I was going to use the Crowder situation as an example.
	The Crowder situation is a classic example of it blowing up, isn't it?
	And then you've got Matt Walsh banging on about it the whole time, and it's sort of like, okay, fine.
	He's still married.
	It would seem he's still in a successful marriage.
	Good for him.
	Let's hope that remains the case.
	But who knows?
	I bet Stephen Crowder didn't expect that he'd end up where he is.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's very difficult, really, to...
	And I think...
	Here's the thing as well.
	I think giving it out as a sort of de facto advice, right guys, this is what you should do.
	Get married.
	Find a good woman.
	Get married in your mid to late 20s.
	Start knocking out a load of kids.
	I think it's bad advice because a lot of these guys are just going lambs to the slaughter.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Because these are guys who are listening to this stuff.
	They're going, yeah, yeah, these trends are right.
	Yeah, man.
	And they're going to do it.
	But they don't have any of the knowledge that you have or they haven't amassed the kind of experience that you guys or any of us have.
	So they're just going to get chewed over and spat out.
	Another thing too is that the thing is that being a tradcon, etc.
	1950?
	Sure.
	Go ahead.
	Do it.
	You know what I mean?
	Women were different back then.
	But the problem is that The Tradcons, I've always used the analogy, they're basically giving these men a butter knife and telling them, go into the gunfight, and it's like, okay, I'm going in there with my butter knife, okay, everyone else has a butter knife, right?
	No!
	They replaced those butter knives since 1950, and they're fucking machine guns now.
	And the women have the machine guns.
	And the guys don't understand that you're fighting a fight that you can't necessarily win.
	And then on top of that, when you get into a marriage, you get into a serious relationship.
	As the man, you're the one putting way more risk.
	Because the woman has everything to gain from leaving you.
	But the tradicons don't talk about this.
	They're just saying, go out there and get married blindly, etc.
	No, because the things that kept women in check are gone, guys.
	And that's why I always tell these tradicons, and they try to sit there and put, it's not religious, and the Bible, and the Quran, etc.
	And I'm like, yo, that's great.
	Go to one of these countries.
	Where that's strong and the shame is still there, then you might be able to do it.
	But in the West, fuck no.
	Was that your plan?
	You talk about the Middle East, aren't you?
	Are you looking for one woman?
	No, I would have multiple wives.
	Disclaimer, I'm a shitty Muslim.
	But when I do end up becoming more religious and following the deem, etc., I'm absolutely going to go to a Muslim country, have my wives there.
	Because...
	Environment is huge, and the West in general is not a place conducive to good long-term relationships where your woman is going to be faithful to you, put duty over her own personal happiness.
	We live in the United States where...
	Women are told, be happy.
	Your happiness is the priority, not the duty to the family.
	I saw a clip, actually, the other day, and it fucking blew my mind.
	I'll play it for y'all here.
	I'll send Mo the link.
	Mo, you might actually have it in the Telegram chat.
	This woman is exchanging vows with her man.
	Oh yeah, I've seen that.
	And in the vows, right?
	Go ahead.
	You used to be a pastor, or would you be a pastor?
	In the vows, it says, and this is every marriage, it says that whenever they meet for the first time under the developed marriage, they say, hey, Do you also submit to obey your husband for this period of time?
	Yeah, yeah.
	To death to you part.
	To death to you part.
	And she said, in all so many words, nothing.
	Like, no.
	Oh, right.
	Yes, I follow this.
	She just said...
	Okay.
	Next one.
	And he's like, wait, what?
	So, imagine...
	You didn't agree to that or some bullshit like that.
	Imagine you're going to marry a woman and she's...
	And the point is to your man obey him.
	She's like, oh, I don't know about that one.
	Yeah.
	And that's what I... And I literally...
	And that's the thing that scared me.
	Women want to be wives.
	Sorry.
	Women want to get married, but they don't want to be wives.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's wild to me.
	They want to work down the aisle.
	They want to wear the white dress.
	They want all these benefits of a conventional marriage, but they're not prepared to do their part of the deal, but they want all the benefits of the deal, which is why I tell guys, yo, what are y'all doing?
	Do you guys not see it with your own two eyes?
	Women nowadays don't think that they have to submit to you.
	Women nowadays don't think that they have to obey you.
	They think they're equal to you.
	Women come in and say, I want an equal partnership, blah, blah, blah.
	Bitch, a marriage is not an equal partnership.
	Well, they want the Instagram, don't they?
	They want the Instagram pictures, and that's it, really.
	I don't think they think longer term than that.
	I don't think they think, oh, what's it going to be like in five years?
	What's it going to be like in ten years?
	Or anything like that.
	Let's roll the clip real quick.
	Mo has it right here.
	Look at this shit, guys.
	This shit literally made me say, what the fuck is going on, bro?
	I was shocked.
	I just wonder if...
	She knew what she was doing.
	Look, and I had to comment on that shit.
	Look, 1300 likes!
	Niggas know, bro!
	Here, let's hit the play.
	We did talk about that in counseling.
	Why he look like Zion Williamson?
	In sickness.
	And in health.
	And in health.
	To love.
	To love.
	Cherish.
	Cherish.
	And to obey.
	We did talk about that in counseling.
	We did talk about that in counseling.
	- Bro, yes we did.
	- Yo, and the thing that kills me, - People laughing. - He just laughed at it.
	- No, no, everyone's laughing.
	- Like, - Even him. - Like, and that does not prove that we live in a society where men are not respected.
	I don't know what the fuck.
	This is the most serious situation.
	You're at your fucking wedding.
	You're going ahead and adhering to your vows, but she's not adhering to hers.
	And you want to go ahead and get with this woman long fucking term?
	Guys, wake up!
	This is what Tradcons are trying to sign y'all up to fucking get involved in.
	But I wonder if the woman in that room understood, because for example, she sang it out loud.
	Most women never said it out loud.
	Oh yeah, I will obey.
	They say it, but they never do it.
	But she said it out loud.
	She's brave as hell.
	Well, it's gotten to a point now where they're not even hiding it anymore, bro.
	That's the clown world that we're in now.
	It is crazy to me.
	And he just laughed at it.
	Bro, I wish some bitch that I was about to get married to said that dumb shit.
	I don't know about that.
	I would literally walk off the altar.
	Are you fucking kidding me?
	Well, the brutal honesty, I can actually appreciate it.
	But for him to laugh at it and just be like, oh yeah, that's funny.
	That's crazy, bro.
	If you're committing...
	Literally, like, financial suicide to herself right there and there.
	She's literally saying, nigga, I'm not listening to you.
	Well, I mean, what a frame to start off the marriage.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Because they're going into that.
	Then probably, I assume, the marriage continued.
	They signed on the dotted line and everything.
	And now, you know, she knows she's gone into that marriage having told him that she's not going to obey him, right?
	So what is the frame that's been set for his masculinity at the beginning of that marriage?
	Terrible, you know?
	The foundation is so rocky.
	And you know the worst part, like I said earlier?
	Financial suicide.
	Because you can guarantee...
	Maybe two years, three years.
	That should go in.
	Yeah.
	Now, I know people are going to say, well, okay, guys.
	All right.
	You guys say that religion isn't the thing that's going to save, and you guys are just sitting here promoting degeneracy.
	No.
	What I'm saying is this.
	And I want you guys to give your takes on this.
	I'm saying, go out there, get enough experience, understand how women really move, don't get bamboozled, don't have the wool over your eyes, and then I want you to be able to make that decision whether you want to commit to a girl and use religion as a buffer or shame or whatever the fuck, but I want you to make that conscious decision after you've experienced it and you know what the fuck you're getting into.
	A lot of these tradcons don't know what they're getting into, don't understand female nature, don't understand the modern day marketplace nowadays with dating, they don't understand How feminism has affected things.
	They don't understand that they're going into a fucking gunfight with a butter knife.
	I just want you guys to go in there with a goddamn gun and know what you're doing so you can defend yourself.
	A lot of you guys are getting married without knowing the consequences.
	So I want you to make the decision.
	And oh, but this degenerate, blah, blah, blah.
	Congratulations.
	Welcome to 2023 where all the women that you want to fucking get with are degenerates.
	These hoes are going to college and fucking 20 dudes in a goddamn semester.
	A lot of you guys are over here crying to me about, oh, I don't know if I could bang 20 girls.
	Well, you're fucking better.
	Because we've got our show.
	Check this out, Troy.
	A crazy thing, too.
	And you know this from being all over the world, etc.
	At the valutainment thing, we have 20 girls on the fucking panel.
	What do I ask them?
	How many bodies do you think the average girl has?
	The girls are like 10, 20, 30, 50, 70, 80, 7, blah, blah, blah.
	Numbers all over the place.
	But what's the main point?
	The average is about 20 to 30 men that a 25-year-old woman has had sex with.
	You think the average guy, the 25 years old, has had sex with 25 to 30 women?
	No!
	Fuck no!
	He might be lucky if he has five.
	So you're telling me that, and then I ask the girls, in a relationship, do you want the man to be more sexually experienced or you?
	All of them.
	I want the man to be more sexually experienced.
	So what the fuck are y'all doing?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What about you, Fresh?
	Would you ever get married?
	Could you see the white picket fence one day and the special senorita?
	Um...
	Let me answer this just real quick.
	So, I'm going to call him Zion.
	Zion did one thing wrong in this situation.
	Oh, the guy?
	Yeah.
	You guys know what it is?
	What?
	He didn't vet the girl properly.
	Yeah.
	And I think that's the part where most guys don't see.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And that causes so many issues because if you can vet a girl for a year or more, you test her, you see where she's at mentally, obviously as well, you know, where her head is at.
	You can see, okay, she's actually a girl that can listen to me, follow my program, She's the next person to be around.
	She's not the B word.
	She's actually someone I can stay with.
	I can stay with long term.
	The point is that at that point, you can honestly say, you know what?
	I made a good choice for this woman.
	She deserves to be married to me.
	Oh, she's hot.
	I'll take care of whatever I can.
	She's beautiful, bro.
	I gotta marry her.
	I gotta tie her down.
	Bro, you don't know her that well.
	So this lady here, he's about to marry or married already.
	In this case, his problem is that he did better.
	And to answer your question about me being married in the future, I did it before, and I can appreciate what it was.
	I just think now, me personally speaking, I'm more like, I want to say, of a future plan for myself.
	I know now that I don't want to go down that route of monogamy.
	I do understand it's a place for having a main girl or a couple of main girls.
	And I think in the future, what I want to have is maybe...
	A man or two that I can trust and kind of like Rockwood, and that would be my strong suit.
	But to get married again, it's kind of tough for me to ask that right now.
	I genuinely think that's the only way you can do it.
	You have to have more than one girl.
	Well, no, it's a really interesting point.
	And I think like all of these, like what you're saying, what you're talking about, you know, multiple wives, then you've got like the Tates.
	Natural Dread game.
	Exactly, exactly.
	And I think one of the problems here is that a lot of guys, young guys who come into this, they don't know what the options are.
	Right.
	And, like, people say to me, well, you know, because I'm in my 40s, and people say to me, oh, you're going to be a lonely old man, and blah, blah, blah.
	I'm like, well, I am already.
	But no, no, but seriously, like, I... There's a couple of things here.
	Firstly, I'm living testament to the fact that you can be in your late 40s, and you can still date around, and you can still have an amazing time, and you can travel, if that's what you want to do.
	Travel is good for his age, guys.
	Moisturizer.
	Thank you.
	Absolutely.
	So there's that.
	Would I rule out?
	I mean, I've been in monogamous relationships.
	It's been great.
	I've been with certainly one woman I've absolutely loved, and it was amazing.
	Do I think monogamy is an ideal state for a man at any age?
	Probably not, because we've always got those other urges, haven't we?
	Do you know what I mean?
	So I think what you're talking about, if I had an end state in mind, it would probably be more like something like that, where you've got a main, or you've got a couple of mains, whatever.
	But the point is...
	I think guys get sucked into this tradcon theater.
	They think, shit, I'm going to turn 30.
	I need to find her.
	I need to settle down.
	Otherwise, it's going to be too late.
	It isn't.
	It isn't.
	You know?
	You can keep going into your 40s.
	I reckon probably 50s.
	Yeah.
	I reckon, I mean, 60s.
	But I have a kid at like 80.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you know, 60s, you're going to be slowing down, whatever.
	It becomes less of a priority.
	But if you're concerned out there about, oh, shit, you know, by the time I hit 35, I'm not going to be able to meet girls anymore.
	It's absolutely not true, particularly if you're traveling.
	You made a good point, Troy.
	Yeah.
	You mentioned options.
	Yeah.
	I think most guys don't know they have options.
	Like, for example, I didn't know because I just came to America.
	I thought, you know, you get a good job, you get married.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Stupid!
	But...
	I went to St.
	Augustine to visit my uncle like a couple months later on, right?
	And he has a big mansion, nice cars, you know, lives by himself.
	But, down the block, a couple blocks down, his girlfriend lives in her own house.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And they come together, they eat, they go out, and they go back home separately.
	Yeah.
	When they want to travel, travel the world, and they're together, but they're not married.
	It's not that serious.
	The things happen, hey, I'm going out today with somebody else, is what it is.
	Click.
	I'll go through the chores.
	The point is, he set it up where he has his best interest, and she's cool with it, following his program.
	And that, to me, is happy, because they're both happy as hell.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I genuinely think this is going to sound fucked up.
	Women are happiest with a man when they don't know where they stand.
	And guys, I hate to say it like that.
	I know that's evil, etc.
	But the reality is, guys, is that women love it when they don't necessarily know where they stand.
	And then when you do give them that...
	How do I say this?
	You give them a little bit of that comfort, right?
	Where it's like, no, don't worry, blah, blah, but they need to feel that dread, bro.
	That's the only way.
	And it sucks, guys, that it's like that, but this is the way that females are.
	They need to constantly know that they're with the best guy, and the only way that you can truly affirm that you're the best fucking guy for them is when you have other women.
	And when you're picking her over those other girls, she's like, damn, okay.
	I got this guy, but how much longer do I have him?
	Versus your dumb ass is sitting there, okay, babe, let's hang out and watch Netflix together all the time and you're not on your shit.
	She knows that she's a top priority, etc.
	That's why so many guys get broken up with is because they revolve their life around their girl.
	No, motherfucker.
	The girl needs to revolve her life around you.
	You got to put your mission and you above everything else because she knows, let me know deep down, if you're successful, you got your shit together, she's going to benefit as a byproduct.
	But if she's the top priority, her security is fucked because she doesn't know what the fuck you're going to do because you're basically following her lead.
	I mean, it's a sad reality of life though, isn't it?
	Women particularly, they tend to want the thing that they can't quite get.
	Yeah.
	And the problem I think with a lot of guys, what does the average guy do on a date?
	Sit down on a date, sit down over dinner, because they've gone for dinner, which they shouldn't do, and they're sitting down like, oh, so, tell me about, what are you looking for in the next five years?
	And he's like, yeah, well, I've got a really good 401k, and I'm hoping to get into a middle management role at my law firm, and all this kind of bullshit.
	And just laying it all out on a plate, you've got to retain some fucking mystery.
	You've got to have that mystery, and you've got to maintain that mystery.
	Now, when I date women, I mean, I take, cause I'm all over the place anyway.
	So, you know, I was, I met, you know, I was dating a couple- Your lifestyle alone doesn't work for you.
	Exactly, exactly, exactly.
	So, you know, I'm dating this, I met this girl the other week in London and she's messaging me today and she's like, what are you doing?
	I'm like, yeah, I'm in Miami.
	She goes, when are you coming back?
	And I'm like- I genuinely don't know.
	I don't know what the answer to that question is.
	So I'm like, yeah, a couple of weeks, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
	And I keep everything very vague.
	And it's partly because that's the necessity of the way my life is.
	But it's also because I know that that works in terms of keeping them interested.
	Because can you imagine that?
	The regular guy who's there like, well, I'm around on Tuesday.
	Let's go to, you know, let's go and see.
	Routine, boring.
	You know, let's go and see Oppenheimer.
	And I think the other big mistake that guys make is that they think that women are like men.
	Men love consistency.
	We like having routines.
	We like knowing that, you know, on such and such day, this is going to happen, etc.
	Men understand routines and consistency because we understand that success is the byproduct of consistency.
	So men kind of innately understand that you must be consistent for anything really to happen.
	Women, though, on the other hand, motherfuckers, don't like consistency, alright?
	They don't live in a consistent world.
	If you look at all the hottest girls, they live a chaotic fucking life.
	They're going to a club one second, they're on a boat another second, they're living life.
	Girls like to be spontaneous, or I go with the wind.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Women are not like men.
	So you gotta understand that women love chaos and they love drama and they love their emotions running wild.
	Consistency does not breed that shit.
	Okay?
	Women are not like men.
	I think that's one of the biggest mistakes guys think is that men are like women.
	She's my best friend.
	No, she's not, you fucking faggot.
	Men and women are not the fucking same at all.
	You like consistency because you're a man and that's a masculine trait.
	You understand that consistency is a success.
	Women, on the other hand, don't like consistency because they get bored easily.
	Yeah, they like drama.
	They like the drama.
	So, honestly speaking, I'll never say this on YouTube.
	Since I'm Rumble, I'll say it now.
	This is a dark secret that happens with women where, let's say you have other women in your life, right?
	She's not sure if you're going to show up tomorrow, if you're going to be there the next day.
	But, you know, you give her a good experience, a good time.
	She loves that.
	But you're not really stable.
	You're like, you know what?
	I'll see you when I have free time.
	I'm not sure yet.
	For example, you don't know where you're going back to the UK. That's kind of like mystery up in the air.
	Then as well, you know what?
	Damn, what's he doing?
	Is he with the girls?
	Is he working?
	I have no idea.
	So next thing she sees you, you know what she's going to do?
	Give you the best sex possible.
	So having that time away, having that like, you know what?
	Damn, I don't know what's coming up next.
	It's mystery.
	And she wants to make sure, you know what?
	He won't forget me next time.
	Yeah, because she wants to keep hold of you.
	So she's going to give you the best in order to...
	I wish it wasn't like that, bro.
	And I wish women were more like men and you can actually be yourself in all this other shit.
	But the reality is that, no man, you gotta fucking, women like games, you gotta play the fucking game, unfortunately bro.
	You really do, and it's like, it is shit, because there would be nothing better than if it was just like, yeah man, you know, I really like you, and you know, it's you and me babe, and all of that, and it would be fucking great.
	But they're not like that.
	But you know what?
	I enjoy this.
	You know why I enjoy this?
	Because I know the truth.
	So I don't take it personal.
	They act, act how I act, but I know the truth.
	So now I know the truth, I have power in knowing that.
	I'm going to play the game where I want to play the game.
	You know what's scary?
	90% plus of men, I would say 95% plus of men, will never understand what the fuck we're talking about.
	That is true.
	They'll never get to this realization.
	They'll never understand this shit.
	They'll never know that women are not like men and consistency is actually their fucking kryptonite.
	Most guys will never know.
	But whose fault was that?
	Yeah, it's theirs for being faggots.
	There you go.
	So Rollo talked about this, didn't he?
	He said there's the old set of books and the new set of books.
	And it's like they're reading the old set of books, which is like the 1950s, sort of, the 1950s script, which is get a good job and, you know, take her out for dinner and dress nice and go to church on Sunday and chivalry and all that.
	And, you know, you'll meet that.
	And that's kind of the Matt Walsh approach, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	You know, but the new set of books...
	It's completely different.
	The new set of books is the fucking club in Miami.
	You know, it's the fucking, you know, girls dancing on the pole.
	I mean, it's OnlyFans.
	It's all of that shit.
	And you've got to get with the program, haven't you?
	You know, as a guy.
	You really do, man.
	If you don't, you won't be punished for it.
	I think if you have issues where you're getting played, flaked on, not getting sex, not getting what you want, why is it happening?
	Okay, there's no one wrong with me.
	I need to fix it myself or work on myself to become better.
	If you stay the same, then what do you expect?
	Same results.
	Here's another thing too.
	And Troy, I want to get your take on this because I know with your clients, you have to probably beat this into their head.
	I tweeted about this shit the other day and a lot of people were like, holy fuck.
	And what I said basically was that If you let them, women will absolutely waste your fucking time.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	And if a chick, like, drags you on, you're on a fourth, fifth, sixth date, you haven't even kissed her, you haven't smashed nothing, like, nine out of ten times, bro, that's your fucking fault.
	Because girls will sit there and let you waste your time on them, guys.
	It's on you to get rid of the girl quickly.
	And I would say...
	Correct me if I'm wrong.
	What do you think here, Troy?
	I think half the game is getting rid of time wasters.
	It is.
	It's better to be polarizing than it is to be a nice guy.
	And actually, Tom Serrero, we mentioned before.
	Tom Serrero, British RIP Tom Serrero, great British day gamer.
	He talks about this.
	He talks about you want to get women...
	Out of the gray zone, you know?
	Like, you want to be...
	Stop hiding your dick.
	Exactly.
	That's what he would say.
	Exactly.
	He said, don't hide your dick.
	And what he meant by that was, he talks about how, at the beginning, he was a very, like, nice guy.
	He's a very nice guy game, whatever.
	And he became more sexual in the way that he approached as he went on.
	And that's polarizing, because some women are going to go with that.
	A lot of women aren't.
	A lot of women are like, fuck that.
	You know, I'm not, you know, I'm not into the guy in this way, or that's not how I, you know, I'm whatever.
	And so they fall by the wayside.
	And so the way that we approach now, coming back to the cold approach, is the way that we approach now is we are making the effort to have a sexualized undertone in it.
	You know, we're creating that man-to-woman polarity.
	Now, what that does is it separates the we from the chaff because some women are going to be like, no, fuck that guy.
	I'm not going anywhere near him.
	Fine.
	She goes away.
	No problem.
	But the women who are into you, they're really fucking into that.
	Mm-hmm.
	And I think you're better off because I think so many guys are scared of rejection.
	I want you guys to reframe rejection and look at it like, oh, this is good.
	Because when you come in and you make it man to woman immediately and you get rejected, that's fantastic because now you've effectively screened out a potential time waster.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	And now you can go ahead and deal with the women that actually look at you from a sexual frame versus girls that will sit there and be like, oh, well, we could be friends.
	The worst you could do is sit there and take the phone number of a girl that said we could be friends.
	No, don't fucking do that shit, man.
	Well, you shouldn't be going on four or five dates.
	So let's be honest.
	I mean, you want to go on a...
	Basically, right, my date process is very simple.
	I don't know if you guys agree, but I tend to...
	You meet her.
	The first date is always drinks.
	I always go for drinks.
	Yeah.
	And it's basically like, we go to the bar, nice lounge bar, something like low lighting, ideally sitting next to her, so that you could have a bit of, you know, a bit of physicality, a bit of touch and stuff.
	Sit down, you're getting to know each other, and you're also upping the ante with the flirtation.
	And I would normally have about two drinks, and then I would say, hey, listen, my place is over there, why don't we go back, watch some YouTube videos, whatever.
	Okay, so I'm giving her that invitation to come back with me.
	Literally after about two drinks.
	You might be an hour in, an hour and a half in, whatever.
	Yeah.
	look, I've actually got a work meeting tomorrow, but let's meet again another time.
	Meet her for the second date, rinse and repeat.
	If she does do that, she comes back to the apartment and we take it further.
	But I think this whole thing of firstly, going on these elaborate dates where you're buying dinner, I think is a bad idea.
	And secondly, going on multiple dates with the same girl is also a road to nowhere.
	You need to be, as the guy, you've got to be the one who's moving it forward.
	You've got to be the guy who's leading it towards the conclusion.
	She's either going to go with that or she's not.
	If she isn't, and she leaves, great.
	Yep.
	Fucking turn into Leonidas, bro.
	Like, seriously, you just kick that bitch out, man.
	Like, uh...
	We'll be ready to do that shit, man.
	I think that process right there, you're going to find, for example, women that are into you, women that just want to have a good time.
	And if you can eliminate that from the very beginning, you win.
	Now, just to add to your point as well, I would just say add into that multiple locations.
	For example, you can have the bar at the first location, maybe like a dance club, second location, or even like a pool lounge, third location.
	You can spend 30 minutes at each.
	Exactly.
	And then get out of there, back to your crib.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And you want to have good logistics as well.
	So you want to have those decent logistics.
	I noticed actually Michael Sartain when he was on here, when you did that Destiny, Michael Sartain, Rollo thing.
	And Sartain made a really good point about logistics, about how important logistics is.
	And he said, you know, I lived on the Vegas Strip and that was when my results skyrocketed because I had that.
	I also, actually, I'll just say shout out to Destiny here.
	I also actually thought that his, I didn't entirely agree with everything he said, but I think what he was saying about the guys who want to smash The guys who smash are the guys who really want to smash.
	Yeah, he made a good point.
	I thought that was a good point.
	Yeah.
	Because I think that's true.
	I think if you really want to get this done, you've got to go out there and make it happen.
	And it's like you used to talk about, you know, the 40 or 50 approaches in the Miami clubs.
	And so I think he was correct.
	Dustin is correct about that.
	That volume overrides everything.
	When it comes to getting laid.
	Absolutely.
	And one of the things that we've been talking about quite a lot recently is about testosterone levels.
	Because if you look at average testosterone levels amongst guys now are at an all-time low.
	And we think, or increasingly we're starting to think, myself and James and people I work with, Is a lot of this actually down to testosterone?
	Because if you're high T, you're naturally going to be going out there.
	You're going to be going to the club.
	You could go out tonight and be in the club until 5 in the morning.
	Just talk to every fucking girl in the club.
	You've got to find somebody.
	Most guys aren't going to do that.
	Why is that?
	Well, it's probably because they don't want it enough.
	And the thing is...
	And Destiny always does.
	He makes these disingenuous arguments.
	But he's correct, as in...
	Because they were arguing what's the most important thing to getting a girl looks-money status.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then he went ahead and said it's volume.
	But volume isn't a part of the equation because the thing is that...
	What I mean by this is that...
	Like, volume is just required, period, regardless of your looks, money, and status, to a degree.
	The only thing that looks, money, and status does is you don't have to work as much volume to get results.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, like, see, Dustin, if you watch this shit, I know what you be doing, bro.
	Because when they were doing that debate in my head, I was like, I'm moderating, whatever.
	But I saw what he did.
	They're talking about money, looks, and status.
	And then he says, oh, but the guy that just goes out there and talks to most girls is blah, blah, blah.
	That is true.
	However, two things can be true at the same time.
	The reality is the more looks, the more status that you have, right, looks, money, and status, the more of it that you have, the less volume you have to work to be successful.
	He mentioned the foundation is intent.
	So be careful because intent means if I actively go out there consistently over a period of time, I will get more results than the guy that has money or status.
	Because once again, my intent is only to fuck.
	So this means I'm on the ground, bootstrapped, going to clubs, going to locations, getting girls.
	Which means on paper, I'm getting more girls.
	However, the attainment can't be retained because once again, if I'm not successful, if I have that game, I might get her, but can I really keep her?
	I guess you basically made the argument that the guys that talk to most girls get the most girls.
	That is true, but that's not really the argument because regardless, you have to talk to women and work volume.
	But yes, the person that works the most volume, regardless of looks, money, and status, will get the most girls.
	But you also got to take into account how much volume are they working, what is the success rate, etc.
	Your success rate is going to be shitty if you're a lower status guy, even though you're getting laid.
	And the quality of women that you're dealing with is going to be ugly as fuck.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Sorry, Troy.
	Well, he seemed to be making an argument about, you know, that study that was talking about body mass index and height, and he was saying that there wasn't a huge differentiation between...
	Looks and smashing.
	Yeah, between looks and smashing.
	And then he said this thing about volume.
	I just find that very hard to believe, because I think we all know, if there were two guys and they put in exactly the same amount of effort...
	There we go.
	And there was a guy who was the better looking and more in shape, whatever...
	he would be getting better results.
	But that's not to say that doing volume is not, is not the solution for everybody because most guys aren't going to fucking do the volume.
	So like when I was say I was, you know, studying at university, right?
	I was doing a lot of volume.
	There were guys around me, probably better looking, probably, you know, richer, whatever they weren't putting in that volume.
	They weren't getting the same results.
	So volume does trump everything.
	And you have to bear in mind, your competition is probably not doing the volume.
	Absolutely, the volume is what it is.
	But my thing is, I always tell guys, you've got to work the volume regardless.
	However, when you work on yourself, you work less volume to get a higher success rate, and you're going to get better quality girls.
	You're the saying that goes, hard work is talent.
	And when it comes to actual volume itself, bro, you could be a Chad Tyrone, it doesn't really matter.
	Ever put in 100 girls a day, you put in only 10?
	Dude, I'm going to win all for numbers alone.
	Because the volume that I have is way more than you.
	Which is why I'm not the best looking guy in the room.
	Of course, just saying that.
	But my volume is incredible, bro.
	The scale I have, Instagram, online sites, for example, in person.
	The scale is incredible.
	So just by sharing numbers, I'll beat everybody.
	Yeah, absolutely, man.
	Absolutely.
	I'll hit some of these rumble rants, and then we can get into the cold approach.
	It was good just chopping it up about random stuff.
	So I'll hit some of these rants.
	And guys, thank you so much for supporting, bro.
	We really appreciate that, man.
	Like I said before, we're banned off the YouTubes right now, so appreciate that.
	Yeah, YouTube Joe for two weeks.
	Man, all Christian believers should read Romans 14.
	If we could get this right, man, what a force we could be.
	Okay?
	Cool.
	That's from Cam Two Times.
	L2, shout out to HK. Okay, appreciate that.
	My showman goes, a video going around of a black man who caught his wife cheating when he read her text.
	She told the other guy it was the best sex she ever had and she was sore afterwards.
	Words of an experienced woman.
	Yeah, bro.
	Is that the Adam 22 thing?
	Nah, it's not.
	I see what you did there.
	Oh, okay.
	Nah, nah.
	Because he knew what was happening.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Cheesy Beast YouTube goes, on 21 working 14-hour shifts, should I still go to the gym if it affects my sleep?
	Gonna cut the working hours back a bit in two months.
	Uh...
	Yeah, bro, you need to be sleeping eight to ten hours a night, man, if you really want to get gains, getting, you know, one gram per pound of body weight protein.
	But yeah, I mean, 14-hour shifts, bro, you can sleep.
	You just don't got time for nothing else, bro.
	You know what I mean?
	So go to the gym before you go work your 14-hour shift, my friend.
	Just switch things around.
	Don't waste your time, guys.
	All 23.
	All 2023.
	J. Soul Life.
	Okay?
	And we got here Eddie the Great.
	Payment for the value.
	Thank you, gentlemen.
	Thank you so much, bro.
	I appreciate it.
	The Rumble Rants go a lot further than the Super Chats do, so we really appreciate that, guys.
	So yeah, like I said, we're always going to read your Rumble Rants, because Rumble is the future.
	We really do believe that.
	So where are we at?
	Cold approach.
	Yeah, did you want to hit the cold approach, or how did you want to...
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So let's talk about what it is, why it's important, and how guys should probably go about it.
	Because I think this is kind of a lost art form nowadays.
	You know, just to give you guys a quick little history thing on my thing before I turn it to Troy.
	I think it's one of the best ways to approach women.
	It's something that I used to do most of the time before, you know, Obviously, we blew up on internet and everything, so nowadays cold approaching is a little bit harder than it used to be.
	I know who you are!
	So it's like, fuck.
	You're that guy on TikTok!
	So I can't do it as much as I want to nowadays.
	I still do it.
	Don't get it twisted, but I can't do it as much as I want to.
	But, you know, Mystery made it popular.
	I got to give him his credit on that, that, you know, he made it a thing in the early 2000s, cold approaching women.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, I mean, the mystery method is a great way to go about it.
	You know, you got the London day game approach.
	There's a bunch of ways to do it.
	But I think it's something that needs to be in your repertoire as a man.
	It's just something you need to learn how to do.
	You know, I know a lot of guys, your dad will probably never teach you this shit, but this is something you need to do because you're not going to go ahead and find your dream girl a lot of times on a dating app and or Instagram.
	And to be honest with y'all, I think for impact and showing character and personality...
	Frigging Cole Poch is the best.
	However, versus scale, not the best.
	But once again, once you're going to meet in person, you have way more of an impact on her than you do online.
	And you can still run the online game after the fact when you meet her.
	You can do both.
	If you add both of them together, double whammy.
	We'll turn it to you, man.
	Go ahead.
	No, absolutely.
	And I mean, what you should ideally do is to have a decent Instagram.
	And obviously, that's where you've always excelled.
	And you guys are obviously blown up now.
	Because if you meet her in real life, and then you add her on Instagram, say, look at my Instagram, and then she can see your stories, she can see your pictures, she can see your lifestyle.
	That is when the real magic happens.
	But no, Cold Approach is basically just going up and talking to a woman that you didn't know before that you are attracted to and making something happen.
	It's as simple as that, really.
	Now, people break it down into day game, a night game, and that's valid because obviously there are some differences.
	But ultimately, in the end, it's really just going up and having a conversation with a woman that you fancy, that you like, you know, trying to...
	Create some sort of chemistry between the two of you.
	I think it's essential because...
	And actually, what you're saying, we live in this world of dating apps.
	Everybody's on the apps now.
	And that is becoming the standardized method of how to meet.
	And when you talk to the black pill guys, they'll always be like...
	Not that we do talk to them, but the black pill guys will be like, well, everyone meets online now.
	And look, women reject 95% of men on dating apps or whatever the stat is.
	Well, fine.
	But why is everyone reliant on the fucking dating apps?
	Yeah.
	Why not just go and talk to the girl in Whole Foods?
	Why not just go and talk to the girl you see in the Starbucks or whatever, right?
	So you should definitely be learning the skill set and you should be incorporating it into your repertoire.
	That's not to say don't do the apps.
	It's not to say don't do Social Circle or Night Game as well, but you should definitely be doing some cold approach.
	I think for a basis, if you can master a cold approach, you can do all the rest.
	Because, once again, the skill it takes to learn about rejection...
	And actually, to me, it's not rejection.
	It's more like, thank you for not wasting my time.
	I think that's going to be key in this process of cold approach.
	And then secondly...
	When it comes to cold approach, if you can actually master the skill like I said earlier, you become more resilient, more steadfast, you have more frame, and you don't get as bluster when a girl flexed on you.
	Oh, you know what?
	Okay, next girl.
	Simple.
	And here's the other thing too, guys.
	There's really only four ways to source girls.
	Cold approach, which encompasses both day and night game, right?
	You got...
	Social media, right?
	Instagram, right?
	And or TikTok or, you know, Snapchat, whatever it may be.
	Twitter.
	Then you got dating apps, right?
	Your conventional dating apps, Tinder, Bumble, etc.
	Okay.
	Then you got social circle, which is how most guys meet women, is through their friends of friends and situations.
	But those are really the only four ways that you're going to meet a woman that you're attracted to.
	So my thing is, if you don't cold approach, you've effectively lost 25% of your potential leads.
	Yeah, a big one.
	And I would argue social circle...
	Trash.
	Yeah.
	I mean, look, on the one hand, you're going to have a lot of people who said, well, I met my wife through Social Circle.
	I met my girlfriend through Social Circle.
	But the problem with Social Circle is you are a bit of a passive person in that scenario.
	You can't really choose.
	You can't really choose.
	Basically, Social Circle is basically like, right, I'm with a group of male and female friends, and I'm just going to hope that that hot girl over there likes me.
	Because here's the thing, right?
	You can't really go up to her and rizz her up, can you?
	Because you're going to look bad in front of the other people there.
	If she rejects you...
	If it backfires.
	If it backfires, it's going to be embarrassing.
	So that's going to inhibit you, right?
	If you think about going up to a girl and trying to give her a bit of rizz, create a bit of chemistry or whatever, you're not going to do that with a friend of a friend.
	Because if it goes wrong, it's just going to be fucking embarrassing.
	If it's with some random girl...
	And it'll hurt you with the other women in that social circle as well.
	Exactly.
	Because women are like-minded creatures.
	So if you get...
	You know, we're talking about a direct friend group.
	Like, if it's like a friend of a friend and it's like two layers removed, that's one thing.
	But if you get rejected in your friend group, like, bro, that's going to lower your status amongst all the other women.
	I actually had a client recently, and he told me a story about how he actually got ousted from his friendship group because he hit on one of the girls in the friendship group.
	Now, the problem is, for a guy like him, and I'm obviously not going to give any personal details or anything, but the problem with some guys is that because they're not very socially adept anyway, when they do hit on a girl in the social group, they do it in a clumsy way.
	It comes across as creepy, and then the people in the social group are like, oh, that guy's a creep, and they push him out.
	And that's a...
	A really fucking bad situation.
	You know, I'm really glad you mentioned that.
	Guys, most dudes are blue pill fucking simps.
	They're going to side with the girl.
	Exactly.
	That's the other thing too.
	Let's say you get into a friend group of people, especially in college, right?
	Where you really need that acceptance to get into situations because social circle is so goddamn important in college.
	If you get labeled as that creep, that can absolutely tarnish your reputation at that university and impact your ability to get into parties, to get into social situations where you can meet other girls, etc.
	So you have to be very cognizant of this and understand social dynamics and understand a way where if you are going to hit on a girl, you have a little bit of plausible deniability.
	You're not a weirdo.
	You're not a creep.
	Your tonality is good.
	Your confidence is good.
	And you're able to kind of play it off if you do fail.
	But a lot of guys aren't able to do this because it's a very nuanced skill set to do it.
	And it can literally fuck you up, which is why I agree with you.
	Social circle game, a lot of the times, if you don't know what you're doing, can backfire and you can get kicked out the group because a lot of guys are fucking simps or not.
	They're going to side with the bitch!
	This is why I like solo game, man.
	But just to add to your point as well, so another factor is when you're in circles, there's an option of, for example, having that settling mentality.
	You know what?
	Alright, I won't go out there and get rejected by a girl.
	She's here.
	You know what?
	Fine.
	Let's save this one.
	And then you settle for a woman that you probably didn't want because it's close to you.
	It's comfortable.
	You know what?
	She's here.
	Let's just do it.
	Yeah, or you just outlasted in the friend zone longer than everybody else, which is also worse because she was fucking a bunch of guys in that time zone.
	The whole time.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But isn't it fascinating how...
	I mean, I guess, obviously you guys, your lifestyle now is off the scale.
	And I mean, for myself as well, we're living a reality that probably most guys don't realize this stuff, do they?
	Do you know what I mean?
	And most guys...
	You're right.
	I mean, most guys in the UK, whatever, they've got their friendship group.
	They've got their friendship group for university.
	They're just going to end up with one of those women from that group.
	And she's probably not going to be the best woman they could have got.
	Is it really who they wanted to be with?
	Probably not.
	But they just got with her by default.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	They lasted the longest...
	You know, they're not getting her at her peak years.
	That's another one.
	That will fuck you up with social circle.
	A lot of the times you're around women that are around the same age group as you.
	By the time your value is higher, hers is starting to go down.
	That's when she wants to settle down.
	And that's the biggest con ever is like when a guy goes ahead, he's 30, she's 30.
	Oh, we might as well settle down.
	No, you fucking retard.
	Your value is going up.
	Hers is going down.
	You guys are not the same.
	And this just stems in from a lot of guys thinking men and women are equal.
	And it's sad because you were her last option.
	Facts.
	At best.
	Facts, man.
	So social circle game.
	And here's the thing.
	Are there exceptions?
	Absolutely.
	Let's look at a guy like Dan Bilzerian.
	Yo, awesome!
	Knows everybody, has a bunch of girls that come in, able to throw huge parties, etc.
	He has the variance.
	He's the leader in that situation.
	Cool.
	Awesome.
	But for most guys, they're not going to be in that situation.
	Yeah, there is a nuance, isn't there?
	Because if you look at Social Circle Games, so I think Michael Sartain teaches this.
	I don't know a lot about his course, but I think he's got this course and it's sort of like, yeah, build the lifestyle, get the girls, blah, blah, blah.
	Have female friends.
	Absolutely.
	And all of that is great, but that's a very specific kind of thing.
	And to me, it seems like it will take quite a long time and you'll need to...
	I don't think that'll be a walk in the park.
	I'll be honest, every guy can't do that.
	Exactly.
	Even what I do, bro, I know most people can't do what I do.
	Exactly.
	That's me actually not...
	I'm not considering girls as friends.
	I'm considering just being social and going out there, meeting people, putting yourself in kind of like uncomfortable scenarios.
	That's not easy at all, bro.
	Yeah.
	I mean, and here's the thing, Mark, kudos to Mike for teaching that, right?
	He teaches social circle at a high level where you're actually befriending females, you're putting yourself in a situation where you're the guy that's bringing the girls, you have the social proof, etc., and it helps you get other girls, but let's be honest here.
	Most guys don't have the patience, time, and or resources to deal with having 20 to 30 female friends, getting them confirmed to come to parties, adding that value in, bringing them to clubs, all this other stuff, so that you can go ahead and have that social status.
	Can you do it?
	Absolutely.
	Shout out to...
	And, you know, you can go ahead and join this thing.
	It's MOA. His MOA mentoring.
	But are most guys going to have the patience or endure their ability to do it?
	No.
	Because dealing with women is fucking annoying, especially when you're not fucking them, if I'm going to be honest.
	Mike has a lot of patience with these hoes.
	So cool to him, man.
	Shout out to him.
	He really does.
	Sorry, go ahead, Troy.
	But cold approach.
	So an alternative or something you could do as a compliment to that is cold approach.
	It's like day games, so daytime approach.
	So you could see a woman walking down the street here, coming out of Starbucks, whatever.
	You could walk up to her.
	You could say, hey, listen...
	I just saw you.
	I don't normally do this, but you're looking really cute today.
	I had to come over and say, hi, my name's Troy.
	How about you?
	She's like, oh, my name's, you know, Sara, whatever.
	It's like, oh, but you don't seem like you're from Miami.
	I reckon, you know, maybe you've got kind of a Latin thing going on there.
	She's like, oh, yeah, actually, I'm from Colombia.
	And you're like, oh, really, Colombia?
	So, whereabouts in Colombia?
	She says, Bogota.
	Then maybe you'll tell a bit of a story.
	She's like, oh, I was in Bogota last year, and I've got to say, you guys are fucking crazy.
	Like, the partying over there is just mental.
	Yeah.
	You know, you're on the tables, you're like this, you know, you go into a little bit of vibing, okay?
	And you wait for her to show some interest in you, what they call the hook point.
	So she's like, oh, cool, cool.
	So how long have you been in Miami for?
	And then you're like, well, actually, you know, I'm here for business and blah, blah, blah.
	And It's so easy to do that.
	And if you just do that a couple of times a day...
	And that's kind of your spin on the London day game model?
	Yeah, so the London day game model is basically that.
	So just to break it down, there's five sections to it, but it's...
	Write this down, guys.
	Yeah, write this down.
	Yeah, write this shit down.
	This is a sermon.
	One of the best ways to go through with a cold approach.
	Okay, so approach.
	Okay, that's the first one.
	Approach and open.
	So normally we would recommend opening with a compliment because, like we said earlier, don't hide your dick.
	You want to go in there.
	You want to tell her what's up.
	So you just go up and say, hey, listen, I saw you don't normally do this, but you look cute.
	I had to come over and say hi, or you look pretty, or you look nice.
	You know, it doesn't have to be, oh, you're so beautiful, but...
	If you're a bit more advanced, you can go and be like, oh, you're almost as cute as me.
	You guys know my pick-up line.
	You can say some stupid shit like that, too.
	I hate the argument when guys say, oh, bro, don't compliment her.
	Bro, get out of here, bro.
	You're not in the real world, bro.
	You've got to do it on a small level at best.
	Something small, not anything major.
	Yeah.
	No, it's something small.
	It's a show intent.
	It's a show interest and intent.
	Because, yeah, this is a big thing.
	There's so many nuances to this, actually.
	The more we teach this, the more we realize how many nuances there is to this.
	But you've got to...
	She's got to know why you're there.
	You know, you don't want to walk up and she's just, oh, this dude, he just wants to be friends or he's just looking for directions or something.
	So you want to go up and kind of own it.
	You're like, hey, listen, I came over because you're cute.
	I wanted to say hi.
	Then the next part is...
	What they used to call stacking in the London Day Again model, which basically means making observations.
	So you might say, oh, but you look Italian, or you look like you're in a hurry today.
	You look like you've just robbed a bank and you're running away.
	You look like you're A high-powered lawyer.
	You look like you're a fashion designer.
	And I remember me and you would joke about this.
	We would purposely make an incorrect observation.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Me and Troy would add a little more spice to it and make an incorrect observation.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You look like you're a pig farmer from Wyoming or something.
	Say some crazy shit because...
	And the reason why we would do that is because it will prompt her to correct you.
	Yeah.
	So, like, if she's Hispanic...
	And you know that she's Colombian.
	Say some shit like, oh, you look like you're Venezuelan.
	And she's immediately going to correct you.
	You know what I would do back in my day?
	Actually, I still do it now.
	I'd be like, you're my kid, by the way, but you look like a lot of trouble.
	I don't know.
	That's a good one.
	I'll leave it like that.
	And she's like, wait, I'm all trouble.
	What do you mean I'm trouble?
	That's a good one.
	That's a good one.
	Gotcha, bitch.
	That's the B word.
	Gotcha, bitch.
	No, that's a really good one.
	I'm working on my vocabulary.
	So you make the observation and then you wait for her to come back with either to confirm or deny.
	So she's like, yeah, actually I am Italian.
	Yeah, I am Colombian, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
	And then you've got a topic.
	So the topic might be Colombia or it might be Medellin or it might be Italy or whatever.
	Wherever she's from, right?
	So yeah, in this example, wherever she's from, then you want to try and riff on that topic.
	OK, so if you've been there, it helps because then you can say, oh, I was there.
	We had this crazy time.
	This happened.
	That happened.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	I lost all my friends.
	I woke up in the morning by the you know, it was just a mental night.
	Is that what it's normally like there?
	Are you guys so mad?
	Something like that.
	If you haven't been there, then you can go to sort of like, oh, what I think about when I think about French girls is, you know, you've probably got some onions around your neck and you've got a baguette and you've got a sort of...
	Any smell.
	Exactly.
	You know, use some like cliches or something like that.
	All you're basically doing, you want to be talking for a bit.
	You want to be talking for like 30 seconds to a minute or something without her talking so that she's getting used to your presence.
	And then you're waiting for her to sort of buy into the conversation, if that makes sense.
	You're waiting for that hook point.
	Now, when she hooks...
	The most common example of a hook is she will ask you a question.
	So she will say something like, oh, so where are you from?
	Or how long are you here for?
	Or what's your plans for the weekend?
	Or whatever it is.
	At that point, you can kind of think, right, well, she's sort of somewhat invested in this conversation now because she hasn't told me to fuck off, basically.
	So, you know, she's kind of happy to be here having this conversation.
	At that point, you can start to turn the dial down a little bit from the sort of Overly kind of flirty type stuff.
	And you can be a little bit more like normal.
	You can be like, no, I'm here for work.
	I come here quite frequently.
	I've got my places over there, blah, blah, blah.
	How about you?
	Oh, you're studying.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Cool, cool.
	Just talk normally for a little bit because you also want to ground it.
	You don't want her just to think you're just this crazy player guy.
	who comes and says this stupid stuff to her.
	And she's like, who the fuck's that when she looks at your message?
	So you want to ground it a little bit.
	You're a regular guy as well.
	And then at the end, just say, look, anyway, listen, this has been really cool.
	I've got to get going now.
	But another time we should grab drinks.
	Give me your Instagram or give me a number.
	I'll drop you a message.
	And that's it.
	You get the contact details.
	The aim with the initial approach, unless you're going to go for a one-night stand or same-day lay or whatever, in most cases, the aim for that first approach conversation is just going to be to get her number, get her contact details.
	Because then you're in the game.
	Once she's in your phone, you're in the game.
	Because then you can potentially get her out.
	You can, you know, you can riz her up over text.
	Yeah.
	And I will say this for you guys, because some of you guys I know are like, well, wait, hold on.
	What if she doesn't ask me a question?
	Or if she doesn't, you know, if the hook point doesn't come in, like, I had all this great dialogue.
	She doesn't say anything.
	It's okay to make fun of the girl a little bit, guys.
	I mean, I've done it before.
	I'll be like, what, are you socially weird or something?
	Like, what's wrong with you?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's okay to, like, kind of, because you guys got to remember, like, you're coming up to her, especially if you got your shit together, you got good tonality, you got a very strong presence.
	Some girls might be intimidated by that.
	Most guys rarely approach girls, guys, right?
	And do it in a proper manner.
	A lot of guys catcall, say weird shit.
	So if you come up and you make a strong masculine approach, you're not a weirdo and your tonality is good, you smell good, you look good, etc.
	A lot of girls might be intimidated by that and might not know what the fuck to do.
	So you can look her dead in the eye and be like, what, are you always this socially awkward?
	What's wrong with you?
	Where are you from?
	And then have a smile on your face and then she's like, oh, I'm sorry, yeah, where are you from?
	And then boom, you'll get the conversation going.
	The other thing is as well that the hook point can be more nuanced than that.
	It can be more subtle than that.
	It's not necessarily her asking a question.
	Sometimes it's just a sort of look she gives you or a smile.
	The cliche I play with the hair.
	But it's more likely to be like a smile.
	You just get that sense.
	Because often what will happen in a rejection situation, you might walk in, you might talk to the girl, and she just says, hey, you know, go and say, hey, you look cute.
	She goes, oh, actually, that's really nice of you, but I've got a boyfriend.
	Yeah, that's an L. Or she's like, oh, thank you.
	I'm actually a bit busy right now or whatever.
	And you're like, okay, fine.
	Right, that's an L. But if you're having that conversation and she's just giving you something a little bit extra back, you know, a little bit more back, then you're like, okay, right.
	I can feel clearly she's kind of, not say she wants to jump into bed with me, but, you know, she's got some interest in talking to me.
	So that's a start.
	In fact, she's still there talking to you and engaging with you on that level shows a little bit of interest.
	Exactly.
	Which is all you need.
	Exactly.
	Can you teach the guys how to transition that into an instant date if they want?
	So, yeah.
	I mean, all I do with that is simply at the end, instead of saying, listen, we should exchange numbers or drop your message, I'll just say, look, I've actually got 10 minutes now.
	There's a cool coffee place down the road.
	Why don't we just go and grab a quick coffee?
	Smooth.
	Now, The one thing to say about that is putting in a false time constraint, I think, or putting in a time constraint is important because you don't want her to think, oh shit, I'm stuck with this guy now for the rest of the day.
	Can you tell the people what FTC or false time constraint is?
	Yeah, so I would just say to her, listen, I've got a meeting in 15 minutes, but why don't we go grab a coffee now?
	So you're putting an end barrier on it, rather than her thinking, oh shit, if I go with this guy now, it's going to be this, like, you know, because she's probably busy, she's got stuff to do, you've got stuff to do, whatever.
	So you want to put that end barrier on it.
	Yeah.
	And I think the other reason, too, that guy's got to understand, again, putting yourself in the shoes of a woman, guys.
	You've got to remember that women, a lot of times, they'll get approached by random guys, and that guy will fucking sit there and lurk.
	You just sit there and talk to her forever.
	You just sit there and lurk, etc.
	Won't leave them alone.
	You see this a lot in that night game, too, with the bars?
	Like, a guy will buy a girl a drink, and he's invested.
	He's like, okay, I'm not leaving this bitch.
	I'm going to stay with her the whole time.
	You don't want to fucking be that guy.
	So when you go up to a girl, I like to do a false time constraint from the beginning.
	Hey, I can't stay long, but I had to fucking come over here and just tell you that I'm way harder than you.
	What's your name?
	And then bam, right?
	Some shit like that.
	Some bullshit.
	You don't have to say that, but you can give a compliment, whatever.
	And the point is, is you want to let her know this interaction is limited.
	You want to start that scarcity.
	And I would take it a step further.
	A lot of times when I go up to the girl, my feet aren't pointed towards her.
	My feet are actually pointed away from her.
	And I learned this from Mystery.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And again, so this is where all the nuances come into it.
	And this is why it's really fucking, you know, we could be here all night talking about stuff, really.
	But it's sort of like, you've got to show intent.
	You've got to show that you like her to some extent.
	So you're going up to her and say, hey, listen, you look cute, or you look nice.
	But it doesn't mean that you've fallen madly in love with her, right?
	And you've got to have that sense of you could walk away at any moment.
	The mindset that I tell guys to have is you're going in there.
	So yeah, you're hot, you know, whatever.
	But what else is good about you?
	And that's what Mystery said, wasn't it?
	You know, it's like, yeah, you're beautiful, but beauty is common.
	There's a million beautiful girls in Miami.
	So what else is good about you?
	I think just add to the point as well, you can also have...
	You can say almost anything.
	It's just how you say it and the confidence behind it.
	Exactly.
	You can say, for example, I can say, your tactic, oh, I'm hotter than you.
	But if that's not who I am, I'm not saying you genuinely.
	Yeah, don't do that shit.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Versus, you know what?
	I'm comfortable saying, hey, you know what?
	I think you're cute, but, you know, your shoe's ugly.
	The point is, you can say whatever you want.
	Find something that you're good with, that you can own, and just do that.
	I'm just fucking around, giving you guys different examples, but the point is that the false time constraint, I think, is really important, and I'm really glad that you mentioned that, because a lot of y'all will come in and create this aura, like, you're just going to hang out with it the whole time.
	You can't do that shit.
	There's value in scarcity, and you have to create that scarcity immediately.
	Yo, night game, bro, those guys that sit around the girls and follow them around the club, that's just hilarious.
	Oh, my God.
	Obviously, she doesn't want to be with you, bro.
	You just follow her on the club.
	It's hilarious, bro.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But, well, night game's another problem, though, isn't it?
	Because, I mean, you're probably doing it differently now.
	But if you go to the club and you meet a girl mid-evening, early evening in the club, and you've got a bit of rapport with her, what do you do then?
	Because say you meet her and it's like 11 o'clock, but the club doesn't close until, I don't know what time places close, but say 2 or 3 or whatever.
	Yeah.
	What are you going to do?
	Like, you meet her at 11 or 12, but the club's still open for another two hours.
	You're going to have to stand next to her like a fucking, you know, mate guarding her for like two hours.
	Like, you know, any other guy comes near her like, no, she's my girl.
	So you've got to be that guy.
	Night game is also, it's a whole nuance of its own, but you've got to be a bit...
	So RSD Tyler used to say, basically, don't try and pull in night game until...
	About the last hour, really, before the place is going to close.
	If you're looking to extract that.
	I know guys that go to the club in the last 30 minutes.
	They pop in the last 30 minutes.
	It's about to close.
	See who's still around.
	Clean up crew.
	I want her, her, her.
	And then just dip.
	Exactly.
	That's it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's all they do.
	Yeah.
	Put the club and buy drinks and buy bottles.
	I ain't doing that bad shit.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Let some other idiot do that.
	Come in, clean up, crew?
	You want to take it a step further?
	I remember they used to talk about, Tom Turry used to talk about, like, gutter game.
	Yes.
	He'd be outside the clubs.
	Yeah.
	Waiting until let out.
	And then he'd just, like, talk to girls outside.
	Because at that point, it's like, all the other idiots wasted all their time and money on these hoes.
	Yeah.
	And he's just, like, gaming the girls outside.
	One of my favourite things for game, actually, is the sort of in-between, like Gutter Game, the sort of in-between where, like, say early to mid-evening, if you go to a bar area and there's people standing around outside the bar in the street, and you don't have to go into the bars...
	So it's sort of day game, but it's sort of like night game as well because people are in that more social mood.
	They may be having a few drinks and stuff like that.
	You can talk to people.
	That kind of vibe, I think, is really, really good.
	You know?
	It's a fusion of both.
	Actually, it's funny.
	In Miami, it happens all the time.
	Guys will spend thousands of dollars on tables and bottles.
	Rizz her up.
	You know, yeah, girl, you know, I'm going to take care of blah, blah, blah.
	And girls are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.
	Just drink all the drinks.
	Leave it aside.
	Homeboys waiting for them outside, just chilling.
	Yeah.
	So you're right.
	Yeah, man.
	So it's wild.
	But yeah, I think the false time constraint is like a fantastic technique.
	And then sorry, so with instant date.
	So A, I got 20 minutes, whatever.
	There's a coffee street down the street.
	My bad.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So the other thing with instant dates is that, so here's the theory, right?
	The idea is you meet a girl in the street in the daytime.
	The longer you spend with her, theoretically, it's going to strengthen that interaction.
	Because, you know, you were strangers, and then if you've met her, you talk to her for, say, five, ten minutes, and then you guys go for a coffee.
	Theoretically, that makes it stronger, right?
	So when you message her, she's more likely to respond.
	However, the problem is, guys can fuck it up because they can friendzone themselves.
	Because if you go for that coffee, and then you're sitting there and you're a boring chump, then she's going to be like, oh, fuck.
	Do you remember Paul Janka?
	You know Paul Junker, the good-looking American dude?
	He used to do gaming in New York City.
	Harvard Graduate.
	Exactly.
	So his whole thing was get in, talk to her, get the phone number, get out quickly.
	So you leave the mystery.
	Because he preferred to do more approaches versus taking girls out on InstaDates.
	And, you know, there's a million ways to skin a cat, right?
	And that's why I really like these legendary cold approach guys.
	But, yeah, InstaDate is good.
	You could get a number.
	I mean...
	You know, a number of clothes used to be something like 20 years ago.
	Nowadays, it's fucking nothing.
	I think you need to get an Instagram and a number of clothes, but don't give your Instagram if it's trash.
	I hate that we have to tell people this.
	Guys, don't give your Instagram if it's trash.
	It will only hurt you.
	Just so you don't got one.
	Yeah, just so you don't got one if your shit is garbage.
	You got weird pictures of yourself, weird selfies, etc.
	Even if you're a good-looking guy in person, if your Instagram is garbage, she will absolutely judge you off your IG, bro.
	I hate to say it, guys.
	2023, women take Instagram seriously.
	It's like your new report card.
	Yeah, bro.
	How you look on Instagram is how you look in person.
	Or she'll show her friends as well.
	Yes!
	Look at his name.
	Oh, look at this guy I met.
	And then, bam, if her friends don't approve, bro, it's a wrap, man.
	I have a question for you, Troy.
	What are the best spots that you call approach in, you think, or cities, you think, to get the maximum results?
	The best places within cities or the country?
	Cities and then within cities.
	Well, I mean, so my favorite places, we've mentioned some of them already.
	I mean, I think Warsaw in Poland is really good.
	Can't wait to go.
	Absolutely, man.
	Absolutely.
	Ukraine was great, obviously, prior to the war.
	Russia was great prior to the war.
	Unfortunately, this situation's cut off a lot.
	Where else in Europe?
	Romania's okay.
	Barcelona is pretty good in Europe.
	Spain?
	Yep.
	And then when you leave there, getting over to Latin America, I think Latin America is very, very good.
	Yeah, really.
	Again, you know, more feminine women, they tend to be a bit more amenable to, you know, to guys, a little bit more sort of, there's just a more sexual kind of vibe as well.
	You know, that Latin kind of vibe is just a bit more accepting of sort of, like, England's, you've got this caricature, haven't you, of these stiff upper lip, like English people, and it's kind of true in a way, you know.
	London does not have that many hot girls, man.
	I was disappointed.
	Yeah, I know, man.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, like London was actually, I was like, what the fuck?
	Where's all the hot girls?
	It's a strange mixture there because you have got, obviously, you've got some real hotties there, but it's a little bit diluted because, you know, just the, I don't know, population size, man.
	It's funny.
	I see all the baddies over here in Miami, but not want to go to London.
	Yeah, bro.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I was actually really disappointed how there was like no hot girls in England.
	A lot of fat women, too.
	It's kind of like here.
	How do you say in England, where's the paintings?
	Paintings.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Paintings, yeah.
	Also, Miami too, man.
	I think here in Miami, South Beach, Wynwood, those have a high population of girls.
	Constantly tourists as well.
	New York City.
	New York City's alright.
	Yeah, to a degree, yeah.
	The only thing I don't like about New York City is New York City's very pay-to-play.
	And what I mean by pay-to-play is in, like, all the best-looking girls are at the top clubs.
	So, like, It's tough unless you're going to do day game.
	I think New York City is better for day game.
	If you're going to run night game in New York City, if you want to be around attractive women, you've got to go to fucking One Oak or Mr.
	Purple or these expensive-ass places where you've got to get a table.
	Unless you get there early, Yeah, sorry.
	So here's the thing, the other thing about day game, right?
	So back in the day, this is like the Tom Torero time.
	Yeah.
	Whenever that was, like 2012, that sort of time.
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	Yeah, so the idea was that day game, approaching women in the daytime, was a bit of a hack because you didn't have to go to the club.
	You didn't have to buy the bottles.
	You didn't have to spend all this money.
	And also you weren't on the dating app.
	So it was a little bit of a hack because theoretically you could meet that girl.
	She's a top model.
	She's an actress, whatever.
	And she's just walking down the street.
	She's walking to Whole Foods or whatever, right?
	Theoretically, you could get access to that woman.
	That if you approach her in the club, maybe you wouldn't even...
	Unless you're in the VIP, maybe you can't even get access to her anyway.
	In theory.
	However, the reality of the world as we now live in, I think that's become more difficult.
	It's not to say that...
	You could walk down the street, you could meet this girl who's a top model, but...
	Is she going to want to fuck with you if you don't have that high-value essence, right?
	You know what I'm saying?
	So it's a bit of an illusion now to think that you can just meet some super amazing girl.
	Just because you met her through day games, she's going to just randomly start dating you.
	Because there's going to be dudes hitting her up in her IG and all the rest of it.
	There's always still that competition, but like Fresh said before, the impact that you can make on somebody by doing a cold approach is so much greater than if you just slid into her DM. 100%.
	Yeah, and I really like that you mentioned that day game was kind of a way around the night game, etc.
	And Roosh talked about this in his book.
	He said that the death of night game actually was table service and club bottle service.
	I think that's true.
	I think that's true.
	And actually, just on a...
	I think the whole sort of bottle service, VIP kind of thing in clubs has kind of fucked clubs up quite a lot anyway, really.
	I think it's okay.
	It's kind of nice.
	But the best club we went to, actually, the best club I've been to in the last year or so, was in Colombia.
	And it was in Bogota.
	And we went to this crazy, massive, massive, crazy party in Bogota.
	No VIP. Or if there was, it would have been very small.
	We didn't see anything.
	No VIP. Everyone was just there.
	Everyone partying.
	Amazing Latin American vibe.
	Just the girls.
	Fucking great.
	You could go around and talk to everybody.
	It was brilliant.
	That kind of club is great for night game.
	A lot of the sort of clubs that we have now here or in London or New York It's just a pain in the arse.
	You've got to drop 10k for what?
	And this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed Night Game back in the day.
	It's just a very low return on investment, if I'm going to be honest with y'all.
	It costs you money to get in there.
	If you're buying drinks, it's going to be expensive.
	You're going to have to talk to a lot of girls, right?
	Half the game, especially a night game, is getting rid of the time wasters or girls that are just trying to get free drinks from you.
	If you don't have a table, it's going to be harder.
	You could fight the game.
	You could play the game or whatever.
	I used to say I'd go one for $40, one for $50.
	The reason why I was like...
	I would talk to so many girls.
	It's because if a girl didn't show me instant interest, I'd fucking...
	Like, within 10 seconds.
	I would be like, hey, if she didn't make direct eye contact or when I went to shake her hand, she didn't hold onto my hand, I'd immediately be like...
	I'd just literally turn my back on her.
	I was ruthless.
	Because I was like, I'm not going to sit here and let chicks waste my time.
	Because they absolutely will waste your time, like I told you all before.
	There's one way around this.
	Instead of going to a club or maybe a top area, you can go to a lounge.
	A lounge has the access of...
	A big space, no tables, no friggin' bottle service, but it's a chill environment.
	Everyone's there chilling, getting drinks.
	That kind of is a segue between going to a club or, for example, going to a big...
	But yeah, table service absolutely did kill night game to a significant degree because what it did was it automatically started putting hierarchies in the nightclub, and when you put hierarchies, women are slaves to hierarchy, so therefore they're going to go ahead...
	Even if they don't like the guys, they're going to go sit in the section because it makes them feel better.
	And I've realized this too, and I want the audience to really kind of get this.
	Women live life to flex on each other.
	I'm going to say that one more time for y'all.
	Like, really take this into your brain.
	Women live life to flex on each other, okay?
	There's a reason why women put such stake in their Instagram.
	They edit the fuck out their pictures, etc.
	They live life to be like, I'm prettier than you.
	Look at my experiences.
	I have this.
	I'm doing that.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	Girls are so dumb that they will go ahead and prioritize flexing on other bitches at the cost of lowering their own sexual market value to do so.
	What do I mean by this?
	A girl will sit there and post herself on a private jet.
	A girl will sit there and post herself in a Lamborghini or in Dubai, etc.
	No way deep down in the back of her mind.
	No one is going to respect her as a male thinking like, bitches don't pay for this, niggas pay for this, you're a whore.
	But it's worth it to flex on other bitches.
	That's what women do.
	They live to flex on other whores, even if it hurts their own sexual market value.
	So now that you understand this, know that women are slaves to hierarchy, and this is why Night Game died a lot of times, because once you have table service, you have clubs, etc., the girls want to sit at the fucking table because of the status, even if they don't like the motherfuckers in there.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Nowadays, if I go to a club, it has to be at a table.
	I don't think men understand this shit.
	The need to flex for women is so important and the need for status is so important to women.
	Of course, not their own.
	Women don't make their own status because no one gives a fuck about their status.
	They gain their status through other men, but they inadvertently get it through experiences, taking pictures, being in certain locations, etc.
	Because we all know bitches don't pay for none of this shit.
	They don't pay for nothing luxurious.
	It's always a nigga that pays for it.
	But the fact that they're able to be in these situations is validation.
	And that's what girls live for.
	To flex on other bitches.
	But hold on.
	If you can understand this concept, use it to your advantage.
	And I won't say any more than that.
	Cryptic.
	But yeah, no, absolutely.
	Well, no, I mean, all of this stuff, because people complain about the dating market.
	They complain about like, oh, women are like this.
	And this is, it's tough.
	And it is.
	And I mean, there is a lot to complain about.
	But on the other hand, it's also in many ways the best time to be a single guy.
	Hell yeah.
	You know, I mean, 2023 is the best time in the history of the world to be a single dude.
	Yeah, it is.
	Because you live in a...
	In a deregulated sexual marketplace.
	Yes.
	And what women don't get also, right?
	What feminism has basically done is that it's given all the real power to the top 1% guys.
	That's what feminism has effectively done.
	Yeah.
	Because when you deregulate the sexual marketplace, right, who do you put in the driver's seat?
	The women.
	And when women are in the driver's seat, what ends up happening?
	They pick the best.
	And guess what?
	Like I said before, women care about hierarchy a lot.
	And they'll even lower their own value to do it.
	So what that means for you is, as a guy, if you got your shit together, you can go ahead and have your picket litter, especially if you're RPO, wear your well-dressed, you got your money on point, etc.
	But women shoot themselves in the foot and inadvertently put the men at the top You know the best, I want to say, night game profession I've seen here in Miami is promoters.
	They have the access of a guy with money, tables like a guy with money, and as well the option all day to go around and talk to girls.
	Hey, come to the club with me.
	Come to this spot.
	I got you.
	Free drinks, whatever.
	They just pull up.
	So they're at a club by themselves.
	One guy, a bunch of girls at one table.
	What does that mean?
	More girls.
	Yeah.
	And you get paid to be there.
	So I think that's the best scenario.
	In London back in the day, people actually did that as a strategy.
	So there was a bunch of guys, including actually Adam Lyons, who was on that podcast with Zerka recently, who's an old London dating coach.
	They would actually do, they called it this thing, entourage game.
	And it would basically be being a club promoter, really.
	So they would say to the club, right, we're going to bring so many girls down.
	It's one of the easiest ways to do it.
	And I gave it a go.
	I mean, I did it a couple of times.
	The only thing for me was, again, it seemed like a lot of work.
	It's a lot of work.
	Because it was like, the guy's like, it's a sales job.
	You know, the guy's like, oh, right.
	It's almost a middle between what Marco Sartain teaches.
	Yes.
	It's almost a middle ground.
	Because he's saying, be friends with these girls.
	But you kind of have to do that as a promoter as well, to a degree.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's...
	It's definitely a route, but if you're doing it as your job and you're getting some decent money for it, then fine.
	But I think the way these guys were trying to do it, it was a lot of work.
	And I was thinking, well, I could just go and cold approach these girls anyway and just cut out the whole club thing.
	Yeah.
	And if you don't like to drink and everything else like that, it kind of sucks.
	And then, yeah, you're dealing with drunk, annoying girls like that.
	All their problems in the club are now become your problems because you're responsible for them.
	So...
	It really comes down to what you're...
	But it's a great way for a guy that's younger that doesn't have money or status like that.
	It's a great way to go ahead and get laid.
	We know a couple guys here in Miami that literally do that shit.
	But here's the thing that sucks.
	What always happens is guys become dependent on that shit.
	They're not able to attract women outside of that.
	And then they're not able to learn.
	to learn actual like real frame real game etc because the training wheels of the club basically spare you from how women really behave a lot of times because in that situation you have such a crazy advantage that when you go back out into the real situation where you're dealing with women like for real not in a fucking club where they're drunk and they're relying on you to get to a place You're going to see that, oh fuck, I don't really know what the fuck I'm doing.
	Can I tell us a little quick story related to that?
	So I used to work in bars.
	I used to work in some bars and nightclubs.
	Quite cool places back in the day.
	And this isn't as cool as being a DJ or being a promoter or anything like that.
	But I used to have, just working behind the bar, I would have the sort of, you know, the reflected glory of the place, if you know what I mean.
	And I get quite a few girls through that because they come in and they'd be like, oh, you know, Troy, blah, blah, blah.
	He works here, you know.
	And then when I would go to a different club after we finished work, I would be like, well, what do I do now?
	Because I've got no status.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Like I was used to that reflected status that I had in the place where I worked.
	I get girls through that.
	Then suddenly you go into another club and you're just some random punter.
	We're like, fuck, I've got no status.
	What the hell do I do now?
	And that was the point.
	That was when I started to learn game.
	That was when the book, the game, around that time, the book, the game came out and then all this other stuff and internet forums and things.
	Because I had to solve that problem.
	Yeah.
	If I'm a guy and I'm just a regular guy amongst other guys, how do I stand in front of this woman that I'm attracted to and show her that I have status without doing it in a try-hard way?
	And that, to me, I think is the essence of game, really.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I'm really glad that you told that story because a lot of guys are really...
	Number one, they're outcome dependent, which means they really care about what the girl thinks.
	And then number two, they're very reliant on, like, one source of game.
	Like, you know, some guys, you know, only use Instagram and they don't know how to call approach or do anything else.
	Or some guys only use money.
	Or some guys only use charm and charisma but don't have anything else.
	Or some guys only use looks.
	I think you want to have the entire repertoire so that you can go ahead and be attractive to a wider demographic of women.
	The more tools you have in your tool belt, the better.
	The better off you are.
	That's why I tell y'all.
	Get in the gym.
	Get in shape.
	Get your money on point.
	Understand game.
	Because if you're lacking in one thing, what ends up happening is women are going to exploit that weak point.
	What do I always use?
	Okay, I have money.
	Fantastic.
	But you have no game or frame?
	Girls are going to come in and fucking use the shit out of you and fuck other guys while you're simultaneously giving them money.
	There's a bunch of guys that fresh knows that are simps like that.
	That literally, they have money, fresh networks with them.
	He knows, etc.
	But their girls run their fucking life, bro.
	It's scary.
	Yeah.
	But just to add to your point as well.
	And you don't say shit.
	You're just like, man, I don't move.
	Bro, once I get what I want for free, I'm happy, bro.
	Imagine you're at a function or a private event, right?
	You only do Instagram game.
	You see some baddies over there.
	You're in the best possible environment to talk to her.
	Because of the status thing, where you're at.
	But you don't want a cold approach.
	So now, you're like, damn, what's your Instagram?
	Let me DM her.
	Too late.
	She's here in person, but you can't do it.
	So you kind of put yourself in a box.
	Versus Let's say you're out in public and you can do a call approach, you can do Instagram, you can do all these things in one, then it doesn't matter because you have a tool belt with all these tools you can use.
	If there's one tool you have, it kind of sucks.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And there was another aspect to that because when I used to go to nightclubs, I was doing all night game when I was younger, like nightclubs, bars, whatever.
	would see girls around in the town in the daytime and it because i hadn't learned about day game i never thought it was possible that you could go and speak to someone in the daytime right you'd see these girls around town i would think fuck if if only i'd seen her in the club last night i could have had a shot but now i can't because she's standing outside the pharmacy you know and so you want to get as upskilled as you can in all of these different methods do you know what i mean i And I think, particularly in 2023, we're in a very competitive dating marketplace.
	Obviously, it's only getting harder.
	You want to keep the top of the funnel as wide as possible.
	You want to bring as many prospects into the top of the funnel as you can through whatever means necessary, whether that's through night game, whether it's through day game, whether it's through the apps, etc.
	You know?
	Yeah, and when you're in abundance, you're not scared of rejection as much as you would be if you had no girls.
	So that goes a long way.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	There's just so many different aspects to all of this, though, because you've got to, like, cold approach.
	It's about communicating value.
	And there's a story with Tristan Tate that he actually told again on Twitter quite recently.
	I was with Tristan Tate one time in the cigar lounge in London a couple of years back, and he was talking to the waitress, attractive, like, young, you know, Polish woman, whatever, and He was like kind of just big, charming, charismatic, whatever.
	And then he got her phone number.
	And the point of the story is that he didn't say, oh, I'm Tristan Tate, and oh, look at my cars, and oh, look at my Instagram, you know, look at my blue checkmark or any of that shit.
	She didn't know who he was.
	But this is what you have to do with game.
	You have to emanate value without having to explicitly say it.
	Yes.
	You know what I mean?
	Discovery trumps disclosure.
	Disclosure, yeah.
	And it's way more potent if she goes ahead and researches him like, oh shit!
	I met this guy.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And then she's going to go ahead and show it to her friends like, look at this guy I met!
	And then he didn't mention anything about his cars or whatever.
	That always goes a lot further.
	You know what I love the most?
	Talking to a girl for like 20-30 minutes?
	Listen, I gotta run.
	Here's my Instagram.
	Gone.
	Job is complete, bro.
	And then she's like, whoa, fresh and fit podcast.
	Well, that part isn't good, but the rest of it is just okay.
	Okay, let's get started on the show.
	Welcome to the show.
	She's like, what the fuck?
	Oh, God.
	Is that really you?
	I'm talking in person.
	Is that really you?
	Is that you on TikTok?
	Yo!
	Alright.
	What are some of these rants real quick, man?
	Shout out to y'all, man.
	We'll close this thing up.
	Don't worry, guys.
	Troy's going to stay for the after-hour show with the lovely ladies.
	It's always good to have the homies and the OGs.
	When's the next DMs on the mat coming?
	I could use a handle on my socials.
	We should drop it again, man.
	People have been asking.
	My DMs a lot.
	Alright, we'll drop it again for y'all.
	Maybe in a week or two?
	Yeah.
	Look, it's DCP. Myron, what's the best scale to use to weigh yourself?
	It doesn't matter, bro.
	Just get a scale and use that scale consistently and then track the trends.
	Every scale is going to be off to some degree.
	Just use the same scale all the time so you can track progress.
	It's not about being accurate.
	It's about being accurate with the progress.
	How frequently would you weigh yourself?
	I used to weigh myself once a week.
	Same day, same time.
	I would always weigh myself every Sunday.
	After I woke up and took a dump.
	And then I did that religiously for seven months.
	And that's how I tracked my weight.
	Because I had a trainer who was telling me to do it daily.
	But I think that's not a good idea.
	You could do it daily and then take the average.
	There's two ways to do it.
	You can take it daily and then take the average of the seven days.
	Or you could do it one time per week and weigh in on that day.
	Either or is good.
	But the thing is that you want to make sure...
	Whatever you pick, my thing is...
	What matters is consistency and making sure you use the same tool every single time because every scale is going to be off.
	You just want to make sure you use the same scale every time and track the trends.
	We got here, and Mo, speaking of which, what's your current weight at right now, bro, for the people?
	Because we've been doing the same shit over and over with Mo, and that's how he's been able to lose weight consistently.
	I'm at 393.
	That is, yeah, yes, 393.
	So that's 107 pounds down.
	Nice.
	And it's been how many weeks of training now at this point?
	A little over a year?
	Yeah, a little over a year.
	So you've been losing about two pounds a week?
	Yes.
	Nice.
	And guys, we're doing that on purpose because when you lose weight nice and slow, you maintain it, less loose skin, and yeah, and the pant size has been dropping.
	More importantly, how many inches off your waist have you lost?
	That is my other thing.
	I do actually have these new pants.
	For those who've been following, I've started at 64 pant size, and these new pants just came in.
	I am currently at 48 pant size.
	Nice!
	Yeah.
	That's what matters, guys.
	It's not so much the weight on the scale going down.
	What matters more is, what is the body composition like?
	What is your waist like, right?
	If you're losing a lot of inches off your waist, but the scale isn't moving too much, good!
	That means you're probably adding lean body mass while simultaneously losing fat.
	So obviously, the scale isn't going to fluctuate that much, but what we're talking about is body composition, okay?
	It's not just about losing weight.
	It's about losing body fat.
	That's what we give a fuck about.
	uh ever since i got these new pants i'm starting to want to slap the shadow of these girls that's disrespecting how do you run game at the gym w sneeko uh Troy, you want to take this and then I can give my take on it after?
	Yeah, it comes up every time on one of these streams.
	Somebody asks about a game at the gym.
	Firstly, if it's a regular gym you go to and you know the people there and you see the same people the whole time, I would probably not because don't shit where you eat.
	However, if it's a gym that you don't go to frequently or there's just a very...
	You know, you don't go at the same time every day or there's a very rotating crowd or whatever.
	You can do it.
	I would say proceed with caution.
	I would say I would go more indirect.
	So I did it last year in Warsaw.
	I met a very nice girl and we ended up sort of seeing each other for a while at the gym.
	And I went up to her and I just said, hey, I just saw you look cute.
	But I was interested because I'm quite new to Warsaw.
	I was interested in some restaurant recommendations.
	Okay.
	And she gave me, and the reason I did that, and it was very vanilla as a topic, but the reason I did that was I wanted to see how amenable she would be to having that conversation.
	And she was like, oh, I tell you, and she got her phone out and she showed me all these places and stuff like that.
	So I could see she was amenable to a conversation.
	So then I was like, oh, well, it seems like, so you've lived in Warsaw for a long time.
	She's like, no, no, actually, I'm from somewhere else.
	So I made it a bit more personal to her.
	And then at the end, I was like, you know what?
	Actually, you seem pretty cool.
	We should exchange numbers.
	Maybe we can grab a drink or something.
	She's like, yeah, yeah, sure.
	So we exchanged numbers.
	That was it.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	I like that.
	So you went in indirect.
	Kind of indirect, yeah.
	To create plausible deniability.
	Yeah.
	Saw how she was.
	Temperament was fantastic.
	You were able to transition.
	And that's more advanced.
	Yeah.
	Where he was able to kind of assess the situation, make a real-time determination, and then switch it back to man to woman.
	Exactly.
	Because in that situation, even though it wasn't a gym that I was a regular at, I felt like if I go in there and I'm too, you know, I'm too crude or I'm too, like, make it too crass, there's a danger.
	If she's not down for that, then there's, you know, it may not look good or it may not end well.
	They get kicked out of the gym too for that.
	Even nowadays, she might have a boyfriend working out.
	Or she might record me on TikTok.
	That too, that too.
	Go viral.
	Try Francis.
	Can you imagine that embarrassing?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, no.
	That's really good.
	That might be a way to go approach you guys in a gym.
	You know what I've seen, too?
	In a gym nowadays, a girl will be working out by herself.
	Her boyfriend's like...
	Doing another machine down the block or whatever, and I see him building, and it's like, she's a boyfriend.
	You talk to her.
	My man's here.
	He comes up.
	Who's this?
	Nigga, you might be done for it.
	I mean, if you're polite about it, oh, I didn't know.
	Yeah, yeah, it should be fine.
	Most people would be okay with that.
	That's happened before to me, but whatever.
	Would it be okay to call out a man for berating his girlfriend in public?
	I mean, what, bro?
	You want to put on a fucking cape, nigga?
	Yeah, you want to put on a cape at White Knight?
	Like, come on, man.
	Unless she's getting her ass whooped, then yeah, like, you know, it's not your business.
	Let's see here.
	Would it be fair to say this game is good for short-term interactions, not for finding a wife, and if you meet a quality girl who's white material, then act a little differently?
	No, because you need to...
	Take it away, Troy.
	Educate this young man.
	No!
	Because you need to have...
	The basis of all of these relationships, whether you're going to marry her, it's going to be a one-night stand, or it's going to be casual, is you've got to have attraction, okay?
	And attraction is generated in the same way.
	So, no, don't make the mistake of thinking, oh, I've got to be so different with this girl because I want her to be long-term.
	Because what you might then risk is that you don't act man to woman, you don't act in an attractive way, she doesn't have that visceral desire for you, and she just friendzones you anyway.
	That's what I would say.
	It's far easier to come in in the role of the fuckboy, for want of a better phrase, and then transition, tone it down to the boyfriend, than it is to come in as the boyfriend and end up, this guy's a simp, and end up getting friendzoned.
	Yeah.
	Good point.
	Attract their first guys.
	A lot of you guys don't want to do the hard work.
	You want to come in and be a nice guy off rip.
	That will set you up for failure.
	I think the foundation should be the same.
	The foundation is, okay, treat them all the same until they show you otherwise.
	Exactly.
	The problem with this guy is that he might think, Oh, Sarah Jane from Accounts.
	She's so nice.
	I'm going to take on 15 dates and I'm going to be a real nice guy, blah, blah, blah.
	And then she ends up banging the chat anyway.
	Yeah.
	Who just, you know, who just rizzes her up at the club.
	So you've got to be aware of female nature and you've got to play the game accordingly.
	You'd be surprised how similar women are.
	They are.
	Yeah.
	You think, oh, she looks like a nice girl.
	Bro, you have no idea.
	Yeah.
	Bro, I mean, this might sound even more fucked up, but assume she's a whore unless she proves to you otherwise.
	That's what I tell guys.
	That way you don't get, you don't, because a lot of you motherfuckers, well, I'm just going to say, a lot of you guys are fucking faggots.
	And what I mean by that, you guys being fucking faggots, is you come in, you talk to a girl, and you assume, oh, she's a nice girl.
	She's the one for me.
	She's, she's like an angel, right?
	You're on some, you got this like pussy ass mindset.
	No, if you come in and you assume she's a whore and she does some whore shit, you're not going to be mad.
	You're going to be like, oh, okay, whatever.
	But then if she's not, and she proves you wrong, fantastic, it's a W. But a lot of you guys go the other way, think she's an angel, she does some ho shit, you fucking rage and go wild, next thing you know, you're stabbing her on CCTV when she's getting fucked by another guy.
	I saw some crazy ass video the other day where this fucking jealous ass guy runs into him, stabs the guy, guy runs off on her, and just stabs the girl to death.
	And it's like, bro, a lot of y'all have this stupid ass mindset that think girls are angels, and then you go in a fit of rage when you see her act like a ho.
	No, just assume she's a ho, If she proves it wrong, fantastic, it's a W. But, if she's a hoe, you're not mad.
	You're not acting like a fucking wild man.
	A lot of y'all that commit acts of violence or do all the sim shit that you do and end up in fucking jail, it's because you had an idealistic version of this woman in your head, she didn't live up to it, and you went fucking crazy, you saw red, you hit her, you attacked her, you attacked her boyfriend, whatever the fuck it is.
	But guess what?
	When you go in thinking, alright, she's a hoe, she's gotta prove otherwise, if she does some hoe shit, you're not gonna be angry, and worse, most importantly, you're not gonna fucking attack the girl.
	You simps are the most violent fucking ones because you think she's an angel.
	She's not an angel.
	And then you have like a fucking retard attacking a chick.
	No, stop being a fucking faggot.
	Accept reality for what it is.
	Some girls are hoes.
	Most girls are hoes.
	Just accept it.
	Stop crying.
	Stop being a fucking bitch and thinking that girls are idealistic angels.
	They're not.
	Goddamn, man.
	Again, if you know their nature, you use it to your advantage.
	Yeah!
	A lot of y'all niggas out here, like, going to fucking jail, committing felonies for chicks that don't even fucking like you, man.
	What the fuck is going on?
	When you go to jail, she gonna fuck somebody anyway.
	Yeah, she gonna fuck somebody else anyway when you're in jail, you fucking retard.
	You just lost regardless, bro.
	Goddamn!
	Like, what?
	Like, I'm telling y'all this shit so you don't end up hurting a girl physically or going to fucking prison.
	You fucking faggots.
	Like, a lot of y'all are just, like, simps.
	Goddamn!
	I'm gonna You came for this girl!
	Next thing you know, you find out she's a whore when you got into a fight trying to protect her honor?
	Yeah, of course you're going to be mad.
	They're going to punch her and your dumb ass is in jail wondering what the fuck happened.
	And worst case scenario, you end up marrying her and now you're tied to her for a couple years, lose your money, she's on you anyway.
	Every single time I've seen a dude beat up on a girl or attack a girl or kill a girl, it's over him being a fucking simp.
	Not understanding, like, not knowing female nature and getting enraged when she does some shit.
	I'm teaching y'all this shit so you don't end up becoming a female abuser.
	Yeah.
	Never hit women.
	Crazy, bro.
	Never put your hands on a female, bro.
	Never.
	Ever.
	You're gonna take an L every single time.
	I'll go fuck if she hits you first.
	Leave.
	Don't hit her back.
	Yeah.
	Goddamn.
	All right.
	And here's the thing.
	Listen, I gotta yell at you guys, because some of you guys watching the show right now, I guarantee you have this idealistic mindset of a girl, and if you found out she did some shit to you, you'd fucking probably attack her.
	No, man.
	Get that idealism out of your fucking head, bro.
	Alright, where we at here?
	I went to a doctor in June.
	I was 288 and just used this scale today.
	Says I'm 198.
	Ain't no way that's accurate.
	That's why I ask.
	That's why I tell you all the time, use the same scale every time, my friend.
	Don't use different scales.
	It's gonna fuck you up.
	Nigga, you using one foot?
	What the fuck, bro?
	Alright.
	Detroit.
	What else?
	Anything else?
	I think that's it, really.
	I think a lot of this stuff, though, is down to the energy you embody when you go in.
	Without sounding woo-woo, but you've got to have that masculine energy when you go in.
	It's got to be man to woman.
	You've got to have some dynamism about you.
	Because a lot of guys, they'll watch old Tom Torero videos, they'll read some stuff about Daygame or whatever, and they'll be like, oh, so you look like you're a fashion model.
	That's interesting.
	Are you in college?
	And they'll come in with this very fucking boring ass No charisma.
	No charisma conversation.
	You've got to have some fucking...
	There's got to be some oomph to it.
	Because why the fuck?
	You know, she's got the choice.
	If she's an attractive girl, she's got the choice of any dude in the fucking city.
	Why choose you?
	You know, there's got to be something.
	And yes, looks are important.
	Yes, all the stuff that we talk about.
	Money, fitness, game, you know, finances, all that kind of stuff.
	You've got to be working on everything.
	We all do.
	But the key thing is as well, you've got to have that charisma.
	You've got to have that oomph.
	And it's man-to-woman polarity.
	You've got to bring that into it.
	Otherwise...
	I've seen good-looking guys who get fucked over by women.
	Guys who are in shape, guys who are rich, who get screwed over by women or rejected by women or frenzoned or cheated on by women because they haven't got that kind of quality.
	You know what I'm saying?
	The other reason, too, why I don't want you guys to go ahead and put women in this idealistic frame that a lot of you guys have where you want a cape and be fucking Superman Clark Kent for these chicks is what ends up happening is when you approach them, you're going to be too fucking scared.
	You're going to be nervous.
	You're going to be pedestalizing her in the way that you speak.
	And trust me, we'll make it tell when you're fucking nervous, guys.
	If you come in and you're like fucking stuttering on your words like fresh or some shit, I'm just fucking around.
	He don't stutter when he talks to girls for some crazy reason.
	I don't stutter in person, bro.
	Yeah, he stutters on the show for some odd reason, but not with bitches.
	I don't know why.
	It's weird.
	But anyway, if you come in and you're not sure of yourself, your tonality's fucked up, you can't even speak or convey yourself, she's going to assume that you're not socially calibrated, you're a weirdo, and she's going to assume you're lower value.
	Why?
	Because you have this idealistic viewpoint of her in your mind.
	You've got to knock that shit off, come in with some charisma.
	You've got to make fun of her a little bit.
	You've got to, you know, a little bro her a bit, because if you don't, she's going to think she's better than you.
	That's why I don't want you guys to have this idealistic mindset with women.
	You put them on a pedestal.
	She doesn't respect you anyway.
	Then if you do end up getting her and she cheats on you or she does some dumb shit, you're going to enact violence because she literally destroyed everything in your mind that you thought of her.
	So stop being a fucking faggot and putting women on a pedestal.
	I'm telling you, when you don't put women on a pedestal, keeps you out of jail, keeps her safe, keeps her from being a victim of fucking violence, and then keeps your dumb ass attractive.
	Stop being a goddamn simp, man.
	And my last point is rejection saves time.
	So if you get rejected today, guys, don't look at it as, oh, I'm holding an L.
	No, you took a W because you don't waste your time.
	It's better to get rejected.
	It's better to get rejected.
	And look, I mean, most guys, I mean, okay, we can name a few, you know, super, super elite exceptions, but most guys are going to get rejected at some point by someone because, like, generally speaking, there are yes girls, there are maybe girls, there are no girls, okay?
	And that's to say there are...
	Some girls who will just be like, no way.
	If he was the last guy on earth, I'm not going to fuck him.
	No way.
	Then there's the girls who are like, yes, I really like him.
	I really like Troy.
	Whatever.
	There's something about his vibe.
	I think he's attractive.
	Whatever.
	Fine.
	JBW. And then you've got these maybe girls in the middle.
	And they're the ones where you can maybe finagle them, maybe finesse them a little bit, maybe convince them.
	But a lot of girls are just going to be no girls.
	Yeah.
	And it's okay.
	It is okay for her to say no.
	And here's the thing too, I want y'all to know, because a lot of y'all will be like, oh man, she rejected me, whatever.
	Yo, you guys gotta understand that women go through emotions every day.
	You might meet a girl on a bad day.
	She might have went through a breakup.
	She might be mad.
	She might be on her period.
	Like, women are slaves to their emotions.
	So if you catch a wrong time and she rejects you, it is what it is, bro.
	I've had it before where a girl rejected me, and then like a year or two later, she'll come back around.
	Like, yo, it happens.
	You know what I mean?
	She saw the figures mount you up on the freshman.
	Maybe.
	But the point I'm trying to make to y'all is, like, don't take the rejection personal because, like, girls literally are slaves to their emotions.
	And if she's not feeling it that day, it doesn't matter who the fuck comes up to her.
	She's going to say no.
	And that's fine.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	Don't personalize it.
	Whatever you do, don't be like, fuck you, bitch, or do anything crazy like that.
	Like, okay, cool.
	Have a good day.
	I'll walk away.
	Leave it.
	And I can tell, this is just my last point here, A lot of you guys in the chat talking shit about women don't talk to women at all.
	Because if you did talk to women, you don't understand.
	Shit talking about women does not get you any play at all.
	It actually hurts your chances if you look like a weirdo.
	Yeah, one of the dangers of getting too deep into red pill stuff and getting too deep into the negativity is that that negativity is terrible for you in terms of going out and dating.
	They can see it in you from a jump.
	Get rid of that red pill range immediately, guys.
	Alright, cool.
	Troy, I think we got some lovely ladies here, so we're going to get going here in a bit.
	Troy, we're going to find you better.
	Yeah, find me on all socials at RealTroyFrancis.
	So YouTube at RealTroyFrancis, Instagram and Twitter.
	And just follow me on there.
	It's been great.
	And thanks for having me, guys.
	And you're going to be back with some lovely ladies, man.
	So we will go ahead and have a second show for you guys here in a bit.
	But other than that, guys, yeah.
	Stop putting women on pedestals, man.
	And call approach.
	Yeah, and get out there and call approach.
	Stop being a fucking awkward fuck.
	Get out there and talk to girls.
	We'll catch you guys here in a little bit.
	Chris just walked in.
	So, peace.

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