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July 5, 2023 - Fresh & Fit

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Tommy Robinson On Andrew Tate Matrix Attack, Cancellation, No Free Speech In UK, Prison & MORE!

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	Alright, what's up guys?
	Welcome to the Fresh Show Podcast.
	We're here with Tommy Robinson, man.
	We got a lot to talk about.
	Let's get into it.
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	We've got a special guest in the house, Tommy Robinson.
	Quick announcement before we get into the show, guys.
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	Shout out to him.
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	I did Alien Warnos, the first female serial killer in American history.
	And then I'm going to be dropping either the full documentary for NUMEC from Ryan Dawson, or I'm going to go ahead and drop for you guys a reaction to it.
	So one of the two tomorrow on Thursday.
	But anyway, without further ado, guys, we've got a special guest in the house, man.
	Tommy Robinson.
	And I gotta say this, man.
	Shout out to Brett for connecting with Tommy because Brett does Tommy Short and really good guy here in the network as well.
	But thank you for coming, Tommy.
	Shout out to you.
	Yes.
	Thank you, man.
	Pleasure.
	Tommy, we know who you are, but the audience might not know who you are, man.
	Can you go ahead and introduce yourself to the people, please?
	Well, if you Google me, you'll just get fed loads of...
	Well, yeah, we'll get past all that.
	So I am an activist.
	I started off as an activist in 2009.
	I'm from Luton Town, which is a town that's 30 miles north of London.
	When I was born in 1982, the town had one mosque.
	It now has over 40.
	I've seen the problems that can bring...
	And I spoke about it from 2009.
	I started an organisation called the English Defence League, which was a grassroots street protest movement.
	Quite rowdy, if I'm honest.
	We used to hit the streets in our thousands, lots of young men.
	And we'd highlight issues that were either not allowed to be talked about, people scared to talk about.
	And we brought awareness around certain crimes such as the rape of our daughters by Islamic gangs across the UK. And in 2015, I left that organisation and I started focusing on media and content and journalism.
	And since then, I've gone on to make, I think in the last 18 months, I've made six documentaries, focused again on these issues, rape gangs, the media, looking at the corruption of the media, the corruption of the courts, etc.
	So And that's where I am now.
	And for that, I will be deemed an ist or a phobe of every sort you can think of.
	The accusations are all there.
	I go into and so people understand straight from me off.
	I've read lots of your comments.
	Growing up in Luton, some of the best people I met in my life are Muslims.
	I don't hate Muslims, but I do have a problem with the teachings of Islam, certain parts of it.
	And I think that unless we have an open and honest dialogue about the pros and cons, If we're not allowed to do that, then we'll see problems.
	And we're starting to see problems.
	I think in the last week, anyone who's been watching the news of what's happening in France, these are the problems.
	I think I'll sit here, not smiling, but I'll sit here for eternity, for as long as I'm on this planet, looking, thinking, well, we tried to tell you.
	But anyway, and for that, I've been cancelled.
	I've been silenced.
	I've been imprisoned.
	I've been in 10 different prisons.
	I've been beaten.
	There's Muslims in jail who plan terrorist attacks against me.
	I've...
	There's a backstory to all of it, but that's who I am.
	I am just a working class English lad from a town in England who was fed up of what's happening to my country, fed up of uncontrolled mass immigration and the problems it brings into my country, and fed up of seeing a decay in freedom and hostility towards us.
	And I've tried to speak about it, and that's who I am.
	So, Tommy, question for you, man.
	And we're definitely going to get into all of that, Mo, Elmo.
	We're definitely going to get into all of that.
	But my question is, so what's the freedom of speech laws like in the UK? Because from what I understand, it's a bit watered down compared to the American counterpart.
	Yeah, we don't have freedom of speech.
	That's the facade.
	The sooner people realise that, the better.
	The country I live in, the country I thought I lived in in 2009 when I started my activism, I very quickly realised it's a totally different country.
	And the minute you try to express that freedom of speech, you will feel the full force of...
	And what we have, I've done a documentary last year called, well, this year, called Exposing Hope Not Hate.
	We have NGO organisations.
	So you don't just have the government and the police.
	We have NGO organisations.
	This organisation is actually one of the pivotal organisations behind what's going on against Andrew Tate.
	These are George Soros funded, government supported.
	George Soros.
	Them boys!
	Sorry, continue on.
	You just said George Soros, so I had to hit the bell.
	Okay, so these groups actively target anyone who goes against the status quo and the narrative.
	And when I say the narrative, obviously, for me, I spoke against open border immigration and people used to celebrate the fact that I was silenced or I was attacked and all this attack on freedom of speech.
	But the goalposts continually shift.
	It started off with open border immigration.
	It shifted to not being able to talk about, I don't even know if we're allowed to even mention, now we're on YouTube, but these in your arm, not even allowed to mention that anymore.
	Yeah, we'll call it the jab-jab.
	You good.
	The jab-jab.
	The goalposts continually shift on what you can and can't talk about.
	It started off with Working class Tommy Robinson and groups like us being censored, Alex Jones, people like that.
	And now we're on to doctors, nurses and scientists being censored and deplatformed.
	So it's a continued shift and the attack on freedom of speech.
	So people talk about me.
	I've read a lot in your comments.
	People say I'm a racist.
	I'm an extremist.
	I've never been arrested.
	We have stringent hate law, hate crime laws.
	Yeah, you guys do.
	If you incite hate, you'd get arrested for it.
	You'd be in prison for it.
	I've never even been questioned.
	I give facts.
	I give off facts and statistics all backed up.
	They're all true.
	And that is an uncomfortable discussion for some people who don't want to have.
	So the accusation of far right hate crimes come in.
	But what does even hate mean?
	Hate is now an interpretation.
	If someone feels that it's because of their race or feels it's because of their sex or feels it's because of their religion, it can be logged as a hate crime.
	You know what I've realized, Tommy, with guys like you, guys like Nick Fuentes, etc.
	And here's the thing.
	I'm not afraid to have these conversations with people that might have different viewpoints on things, but I think suppressing them is the worst thing that you can do.
	Just because you don't agree with someone on 100% of things doesn't invalidate some of the things that they can say.
	But what I've noticed a lot of the times is when people make valid points, What people will do to try to solace that individual is they'll just label them a racist, they'll label them a hater, they'll label them some type of extremist, whatever, to invalidate the very valid points they make a lot of the times, and they'll use the veil of they're a racist or a Nazi or some other crap to go ahead and make what they're trying to say sound irrelevant.
	And I think that's kind of ridiculous because people do make good points even if you don't necessarily agree with everything they say.
	Yeah, that is just the easy cop-out of the debate.
	They don't have an answer to what you're saying, or they don't have a solution to the problems they've imported.
	And rather than deal with that, they rather hide that, and they rather silence anyone who talks about it.
	Because a lot of the issues, if I'm allowed to speak about them and people can hear them, and hear the reality of the problem on the ground in many towns and cities in the UK, is to do with government policies.
	And they don't want their policies questioned.
	So rather than have their policies questioned, they will silence the people who are talking about it and then the organisations or people.
	And it's a very successful tactic because they actually, for decades in this country, had the entire country silenced due to the fear of being called a racist.
	Along come the English Defence League.
	And people were walking around and if they were talking about Islam, they'd whisper about it.
	It's like, this is the state the country was in, where people were seeing problems, they're seeing real problems in their town and cities, but they're too scared to even talk about it.
	The English Defence League sort of broke the back on that, because rather than whispering about it, we were screaming about it, we were singing about it, and marching through at the top of our voices.
	And we then made people, we then bought the, we shifted the Overton window in where the discussions were at.
	And we brought about, we brought about the government to start looking at these issues.
	They started making arrests.
	They started dealing with these problems, dealing with some of the problems that we were talking about.
	But at the same time, we were beaten down and we were labeled as extremists, as racist, as all of these different things.
	And never, never backed up.
	So the amount of journalists that have called me even far right, I'm labeled as far right.
	I always say, well, what policies is it that I have that are far right?
	What part of my beliefs is far right?
	So you understand, the English Defence League as an organisation, every single demonstration had a non-white person talk.
	Every single demonstration from the start.
	Because I'm from Luton Town, so if you line up my 20 best friends, we are all the sons of immigrants.
	St.
	Lucian, Jamaican, Bulgarian, Italian, my mum was Irish.
	We're all the sons of immigrants.
	Luton is an immigrant town.
	So I've never been brought up.
	It's never been about white supremacy.
	It's never been about that.
	My issue has always been about open border immigration, uncontrolled immigration and fundamentally Islamic immigration and the problems that that can bring.
	But again, for all of that, none of that's mattered.
	And I first noticed this, for example, when I first started in 2009, I started an organisation called the United People of Luton.
	And I went to meet the Guardian newspaper, which is a newspaper in the UK. Now, at this time, I used to be a young football hooligan growing up.
	I was working on a building site.
	I had my own business and I was 25 years old.
	And then I started this organisation.
	And I didn't know left-wing, right-wing.
	I wasn't interested.
	Like most working-class people, I didn't care about politics.
	I certainly didn't know that certain newspapers have their affiliations on the left and certain newspapers have their affiliations on the right.
	And I went for a meeting with a newspaper to discuss our new organisation.
	I turned up with three non-white people, my friends, sat down, done this interview.
	Then when the interview came out in the paper, I sat down, I read it, and I thought, What?
	It's all talking about racism and extremism.
	And it's totally ignored the fact that I've turned up with three non-white friends to have this discussion.
	They've been totally cut out of the entire story.
	And then I realised very quickly, and then in some of our first demonstrations, we went to a city called Birmingham to highlight some issues.
	And there was an innocent...
	Muslims come out rain-paging through the streets, and they got this young white boy at the bus stop, and they beat him up.
	And there's a picture in the national newspaper where they were jumping in the air just about to land on his head.
	And underneath the picture, it read, a fascist is attacked by anti-fascists.
	And I remember just like, what the hell is going on here?
	Wow.
	And I had a very real, a very wake-up call to the media and to what they're about and understanding them.
	And I've been on a journey of learning ever since that point to working out, to seeing how corrupt they are, to seeing how they operate, to seeing how they work for the globalists, they work for silence, that there is no free reporting.
	There is no free press in the UK. There's none.
	And I can give example after example of that.
	Tommy, so you've been doing multiple interviews in the past before the arrest and stuff like that with Piers Morgan, you know, different news channels.
	And for the most part, we never get to hear your side of the story because whenever you talk, they interrupt you.
	So I think to hear this for the first time, why you think this way from your past in Luton, what you've seen in the streets, why you believe what you believe is really good.
	Yeah, and I definitely want to get into that.
	So you mentioned before, we'll probably have to do a rumble though so that he can be uncensored.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I want to ask you this, though.
	So you had mentioned that you went to jail for some things or whatever it may be.
	Can you tell the people about what that experience was like and what you went in for?
	Yeah, so I've been in quite a few times for my activism.
	The main one which brought the main headlines was 2017.
	So we have these rape gangs in the UK, which is what we started talking about as an organization in 2009.
	Mm-hmm.
	By 2015 comes a government report.
	Now, bearing in mind I'd sat on TV show after TV show trying to highlight these gangs, and I'd been rubbished and belittled by the commentators and the hosts as though I was lying.
	I was fear-mongering.
	The same newspaper that broke this story in 2015 had previously run reports saying that I was making extraordinary claims.
	They belittled and mugged off what I was saying for years.
	And then 2015, a government report comes out saying that 1,400 young children have been raped by predominantly Pakistani Muslim gangs in the city of Rotherham.
	And this was a massive news story.
	And what they then went on to find out is that 60 other cities have had the same gangs.
	They are...
	Just so people understand the statistics and the demographics of these gangs, not of paedophilia.
	The majority of paedophiles in the UK are white.
	The UK is a majority white nation, so the demographics are, as you'd expect, that pretty much it's a sole, single, white, strange male for sole, individual paedophiles, yeah?
	But this type of...
	Grooming, which they've got the name of grooming.
	They give it a pretty name.
	It's torture, rape and destruction of children's lives.
	That's what it is.
	And of these figures, so 4% of the UK are Muslim.
	Between 80 to 90% of the convictions of this type of crime, which is where men who know each other, related business colleagues, work colleagues, men who know each other, who are friends, Are grooming young girls together.
	They get them and they rape them and they gang rape them.
	So this type of statistic, 80 to 90% of the convictions in the UK are Muslims from a 4% population.
	30% of the men convicted are called Mohammed.
	There is a problem.
	There is a mass, mass over-representation of Muslims in this crime.
	These are brothers.
	Fathers and sons are raping the girls together.
	Just so you understand, I'll give you one area.
	In a town called Oxford, they heated up an iron rod with the letter M and they scolded the bum of a 12-year-old girl with that letter M because she was the property of Mohammed.
	They nailed another girl's tongue to the table.
	You have to go through to really understand the severity and the level of torture these children went through.
	I've done a recent documentary series called The Rape of Britain where we looked at one city called Telford.
	Telford has a 1.7% Muslim population.
	Out of that 1.7% Muslim population, there's been 1,000 victims in that town identified.
	The police identified over 200 Muslims involved.
	The Independent Inquiry identified 360.
	Our investigation identified 250.
	We got the names of 250.
	Now, out of that 1.7% Muslim population, there's only 2,800 Muslims.
	By the time you take away the women, you take away the under-16s and the over-70s, you've got 20 to 30% of the Muslim population involved in raping children in that town.
	These are insane statistics, okay?
	And insane when you look at the numbers.
	So the numbers we've been given the numbers for are Rotherham and Telford.
	They're the only two cities in the UK we've been given the statistics and the historical numbers of how many children have been raped and how many men have been arrested.
	3.7% Muslim population in Rotherham.
	1.7% Muslim population in Telford.
	Luton's 50% where I'm from.
	Birmingham.
	There's many cities across the UK where the problems are far worse than these cities and we'll never get the numbers.
	So in 2017, what they've done is in the early court cases, because they started making arrests since the English Defence League formed.
	So in the early court cases, we got to hear the daily news cycle because when the court cases were going on for six weeks, The media would be in court and they'd be reporting what was getting the allegations.
	What words were the men using?
	They were calling the girls dirty gula, dirty white slags.
	It was racial.
	We were finding out it was religious.
	They were making comments like, it's my religious duty to have done this.
	That's what one of the perpetrators said in the Bristol case.
	Again, these are not Tommy Robinson's words.
	These are the words of the men who raped the girls.
	The men were getting supported by their families in court, by their community.
	For example, a local mayor and a local politician went to give character references for the rapists.
	That's how acceptable this was within this certain community.
	Now, come 2017, what the government decided to do is they had to block these court cases.
	So they then, from that point on, put media reporting restrictions, meaning there can be no reporting on these court cases Until the end of the court case.
	So you'll have a six-week trial with all the details of what's going on.
	At the end of those six weeks, you'll get one day's news.
	20 men sentenced for jail.
	You'll get the headline, you'll get the picture, but you won't get the horrific abuse or the reason why these men or any sort of look at what they had done specifically, because it'll be in one day's headlines.
	That's what the government done.
	They introduced these reporting restrictions.
	Now, I went outside a court case and as the men were walking into court, I made a video on my phone.
	I work as a journalist and I said, and what I made sure of saying, again, is that these men are innocent until proven guilty and this is not the crime of every Muslim because I've grown up with Muslims in the UK who would want to kick the shit out of these men for the crime they've committed.
	That does not change the fact That these men have committed these crimes.
	It does not change the fact that there's a massive problem and anything we can do that raises awareness to parents or raises awareness to stop the rape of these children, we have to do.
	So I made this video and I was outside the court and they come and got me from outside court, brought me before the judge and the judge within two hours sentenced me to 13 months in prison.
	Now, and they said it was for breaching...
	For what crime specifically?
	Well, when they arrested me outside court in the video, you'll see them say breach of the peace.
	They just made it up.
	They just got...
	And I said breach of the peace.
	What have I done?
	13 months for breach of the peace.
	So there was an argument against it, Tommy, where they said, for example, that you were covering this spectacle or covering this case before you should have because it was like a stop for...
	What do you call it?
	A stop for...
	Yeah, the reporting restrictions.
	They say I breached the reporting restrictions.
	Is that true?
	The rules are, and this is the law, for reporting restrictions they have to have a note on the court door about the reporting restrictions and on the screen it has to say there's reporting restrictions.
	The morning of that case I went into the court I went to the door.
	I took a picture of both as well, which I showed in my court case.
	I took a picture of both.
	There was no mentions of reporting restrictions.
	So to be on the safe side, I made sure to only report what was already in the public domain.
	Now, what was already in the public domain from previous BBC reports after the arrest of these men is what they'd been alleged to have done, how many victims there were.
	So when I'd done my report, I didn't breach any policies.
	Now, what the media told everyone is, I risk jeopardising the trial.
	Now, when they arrested me and sentenced me to 13 months, some of the Muslim men appealed their convictions, saying, quoting, I risked jeopardising their trial.
	When it went before multiple judges, they watched my footage of what I actually said, and they made it very clear in their court documents that nothing I said Could have risked jeopardising the court trial.
	Because I made it very clear they're innocent until proven guilty.
	I'm not here to presume guilt.
	But I'm here to let you know that these court cases are going on in every city.
	But you're not being told about them.
	And they gave me 13 months.
	Now, that launched a mass movement called Free Tommy...
	Where there were protests in America, there were protests in Australia, there were protests across Europe.
	There was 660,000 people signed a petition to have me released from prison in the UK. 30,000 people marched next weekend on Parliament.
	And it resulted in the end, after 11 weeks, they got me back into court and they found that everything they'd done was unlawful and they released me immediately from custody.
	But by that time, I'd lost three stone in weight.
	I hadn't eaten.
	I was only on five tins of tuna a week.
	I'd been put into jail.
	They have to understand.
	So for what I say, there's a lot of people who dislike what I say, especially on the level of blasphemous.
	So six Muslims were arrested with guns and suicide bombs.
	They were on the way to kill me.
	In their suicide notes, they made it very clear that I'd committed blasphemy.
	For my derogatory talk of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad.
	So prison, I don't know what it's like in America.
	Actually, I do know.
	It's growing.
	But in the British prison system, which I've been trying to make people aware since 2010, my first prison sentence over these issues, that...
	The prisons have been taken over by jihadist gangs.
	They're literally ISIS training camps when you get to prison.
	You've got car criminals going in and they're coming out radical jihadis.
	That's literally, the figures are terrifying of the numbers in prison.
	I think Muslims make up 4% of the population, but they make up 20% of the prison population.
	But when you go to the A high risk category, we're looking at 50 to 60% of the population in the high security level, where it's the maximum security prisons for serious crime, murders, terrorism, the numbers are through the roof.
	So when I land in jail, it's not about being locked in your cell that's the problem.
	My problem is, am I coming out alive?
	Tommy, you spoke on Tucker Carlson about your experience in jail.
	You mentioned that during your jail period of time while you were there, that you were put into confinement because you were around a lot of Muslims in that territory?
	Yeah, so they moved me.
	So I started off in HMP Hull, which had a 5% Muslim population.
	After three weeks, they moved me to a new prison, which has the highest population of Muslims of any prison in the UK. Which isn't a mistake.
	It's like you haven't made this.
	This is world news, yeah?
	And when they imprisoned me, they gave me 13 months, they made a reporting restriction that the media weren't allowed to tell anyone I've been imprisoned.
	So I'm in jail, yeah?
	And no one's allowed to know.
	But everyone does know because America, their little reporting restrictions can't stop Americans.
	You're protected by your constitution.
	So on the news in America, Tommy Robinson's in prison.
	But the media weren't allowed to report it in the UK. It took a week before they were taken into court and the court were forced to remove the reporting restrictions.
	Then people knew.
	But they moved me to the highest density population of Muslims in the UK. And I truthfully believe that at that moment, If it hadn't been for the 30,000 people march on Parliament, if it hadn't been for Paul Gassar, Congressman from the United States, if it hadn't been for Brownback, who was the...
	The American embassy is linked to the British government.
	If it hadn't been for Donald Trump putting pressure on him to put pressure on the British government, I believe they'd moved me so I could be killed in prison.
	And when I say that, that may sound far-fetched.
	I've been locked in a room.
	I've got some beautiful nationalists here, but I've only got them because my teeth got smashed out when I was locked in a room with Muslims in Woodhill prison.
	I've had...
	There's an episode on 24 hours in police custody where they fed me to them in Peabra.
	They fed me to them in Bedford.
	I've gone through the prison system.
	I've literally had my back to the wall and had to fight everywhere I've gone.
	And I know how bad that is.
	And that's now changed the last sentence because they took me to a majority Muslim population and then told me that because of this...
	They need to put me on solitary confinement.
	So out of these prison sentences, I've now spent a year of solitary confinement, which may sound...
	This is where it sounds ridiculous.
	You think...
	I developed post-traumatic stress disorder from my prison sentences.
	I went into jail one person and came out another.
	So I know Andrew Tate is only just...
	We'll get on to Andrew Tate.
	But I know he's only just done three months, yeah?
	But I'm telling you, it's damaging.
	In the UK prison system, you're only allowed to do 28 days of solitary confinement.
	Do you know what they've done with me?
	I started off in Wandsworth Prison.
	I've done 28 days of solitary confinement.
	Then they moved me to Bedford Prison.
	This is how they got around the League Alley.
	And then they put me on solitary confinement.
	Then they moved me to Woodhill Prison.
	They put me on solitary confinement.
	They moved me back to Wandsworth Prison.
	Then they moved me to Wayland Prison.
	They just kept moving me to prisons and keeping me on solitary confinement.
	Because they know, they know Their own research tells them that it has a detrimental effect after 28 days to your mental health and your well-being.
	And not just whilst I was on my solitary confinement, they were, for example, when I was in, I was on solitary confinement in Onley Prison and my cell door comes and it's the prison governors and they say, where's your wife?
	And I say, well, I'm locked in here all day.
	You only let me out for 30 minutes of a day on my own.
	And they only let me out during the day.
	My wife worked at a school.
	So I can't speak.
	I don't know where my wife is.
	I can't speak to her.
	You know that.
	Well, we have intelligence.
	She's going to be attacked with acid.
	And I'll say, okay.
	And then they shut the door.
	And then your head is fried, trust me, yeah?
	Yeah.
	So then by the time you do get...
	And then I question.
	And they knocked on my mum's door and my wife's door.
	And they give them a piece of paper saying we have intelligence that there's acid attacks being planned against you.
	And they give them a thing in the UK that's called an Osman warning.
	It's a government warning.
	I've had 12 of them.
	It's a government warning of intelligence for death, yeah?
	So they give my wife this and my mum this.
	Now, the sad state of affairs is I don't actually know if there was a threat.
	I think this is all part of their breaking.
	And why did they need to break me?
	You're looking at Andrew Tate.
	We'll get on to this conversation.
	But why did they need to break me?
	Because they had deplatformed me.
	They had tried to silence me.
	But when I went to prison, my name blew up.
	As I said, 660,000 people signed a petition.
	Tens of thousands of people were marching.
	When I come out of jail, I was made aware that there's a BBC program called Panorama, which is the most credible BBC program there is for investigative journalism.
	And I got made aware when I come out of jail that they were working on a program titled Tommy Takedown.
	So they were worried by my influence.
	And my influence was, when I went live on Facebook, I had 30,000 people watching live.
	I had 1.2 million followers on Facebook.
	I had 172 million people read my tweets over a four-week period.
	I had 59 million people watch my videos over the same four-week period.
	So I was blowing up.
	And they had to stop it.
	Now, eventually, I got put back in jail.
	I was put onto a list by Facebook.
	So Panorama, just so you get the sequence of events.
	Panorama, I come out of jail, I find out Panorama working on a program, which is terrifying for me because Panorama can break anyone with their documentaries.
	They will finish you.
	I then sent a girl undercover into Panorama.
	And anyone who's interested in the Andrew Tate story must watch this documentary.
	It's called, I called the documentary Panodrama.
	So I send a girl undercover into Panorama with the head of Panorama.
	She sits down, she goes out drinking with them wearing a hidden camera.
	And what we find out from our covert recordings is that they were planning On making sexual allegations against me.
	We get him on camera saying, we're doing a gender sexual thing against Tommy Robinson.
	And what the girl, what they want to take is, so I send the girl in and she says, I've got a recording of me and Tommy Robinson arguing.
	Yeah, aggressively.
	And the bloke says, does he get aggressive?
	He says, yeah, he does.
	He says, brilliant, brilliant.
	He says, and then she says, I start screaming at him and he says, don't worry, we can clip that bit out.
	That'll all be clipped out.
	She said, and she was offered £5,000, this girl.
	To make me into a Harvey Weinstein figure.
	All bullshit, yeah?
	But she was offered, it's all on the covert recordings, yeah?
	Andrew Gilligan, the journalist who offered her £5,000 for a front page story.
	John Sweeney was the journalist working for Panodrama who said that he could take an innocent conversation and make it into a sexual thing on recording and throw sexual allegations against me.
	They actually sit her down and Tell her, say this, say this, say this, and we will put it on the...
	They tell her what to say.
	And then he says, have we got a deal?
	This is all on the covert recordings.
	So I make this documentary called Panadrama.
	I've been released.
	I've just been released for the unlawful prison sentence.
	I create the documentary called Panadrama and I release it.
	I hire the biggest screen you can hire.
	And I released it outside the BBC's head offices in Manchester, Salford, on like a 50-metre screen, yeah, with 10,000 people watching.
	And this was everything you think, everything Donald Trump has said, everything everyone has thought about BBC being fake news, I have got it in a box, yeah?
	I have got it made into a film.
	And at this point, I contacted a journalist who I'd met early on in my life, and he's now a lead reporter for the Telegraph newspaper.
	And I contacted him and said, mate, I've got gold.
	Come and meet me.
	So he met me and I gave him all the recordings of the head of Panorama saying all this mad stuff.
	I've got so much against him.
	You have to watch the film.
	When he listened to him, he said, oh my God, this is insane.
	He said, this is massive.
	I said, I know.
	They're absolutely fucked.
	With what I've got here, they're fucked.
	They're trying to take me down.
	I'm going to finish all of them.
	So he goes off to see his editor and he comes back.
	He says, we're not allowed to run it.
	I said, what do you mean you're not allowed to run it?
	He goes, we're not allowed to run it.
	I said, what happened to the Free Press?
	What happened?
	Hold on.
	I said, Stephen Bird is this journalist's name.
	Look him up.
	Stephen Bird.
	He used to be a Times reporter.
	He's a top journalist.
	I said, what does that tell you, bruv?
	You're not allowed to run it.
	So anyway, I released this documentary.
	Within 48 hours, it had 2 million views.
	In the same week, I was taken off Facebook.
	I was deplatformed from all of them.
	I wasn't just deplatformed.
	The Attorney General contacted my solicitor and I was given a date for court at the Old Bailey.
	So I was thrown into the Old Bailey for this same offence I'd just been released for the year before.
	So the case that I'd been released out of jail for, they took me back to court for.
	They actually, between this point, changed the law.
	So they couldn't get me on saying I had jeopardised the trial because the Muslim men had appealed their convictions and they found that I didn't jeopardise the trial.
	So they retried me under saying that I'd caused the men alarm and distress.
	As these paedophiles who have got 20 years, one of them has absconded and never been brought to justice.
	Because when the judge brought me into court and gave me 30 months, he let that paedophile go home that day.
	He put me in for 30 months and let the Pakistani paedophile go home.
	That paedophile has never been brought to justice.
	But they then charged me and they put me back in jail again for another 10 months of solitary confinement.
	I went into jail and come out of jail without seeing another prisoner.
	The only person I spoke to was Julian Assange.
	I was in the maximum security prison.
	But anyway, I've gone off on one there, haven't I? I ain't stopped talking.
	No, no, no.
	You're fine, man.
	And I took some notes while you were speaking there for some follow-up questions.
	Real quick, I want to kill the Twitch stream.
	Yeah, and Facebook.
	And we're going to just stay on YouTube and Rumble.
	So guys, come on over to Rumble or YouTube, and then we're probably going to go to Rumble here very soon as well.
	Yeah, yeah.
	This is a crazy story.
	So going back to the panodrama documentary.
	So it seems to me like you got canceled as soon as you released this documentary highlighting that they were going to basically do a political hit job on you to get you deplatformed everywhere on some false sexual allegations is what it sounds like to me.
	Yeah, their Panorama documentary never come out.
	They had to ditch their entire documentary.
	Of course.
	And the mad thing is that what they've done is that they were trying to chase me down because they've done their documentary.
	So you put yours out first so that they wouldn't be able to.
	Yeah, that's it.
	So I contacted them and said, okay, I'll meet you tomorrow.
	I'll give them one day's notice.
	I'll meet you in this location.
	But what I've done is I put a screen on the wall.
	So when they met me, and they bought all their producers.
	I've done documentary after documentary.
	This never happens, yeah?
	When you do a documentary, you just sit down with the documentary maker and they interview you.
	They bought a team of about eight people, yeah?
	All the panorama board.
	And then as I sat down, I asked him, I said, before we start this, would you ever tell anyone what to say in an interview?
	And he said, no, of course I wouldn't.
	I said, you're sure about that?
	He said, yeah.
	And I just went, press play.
	And then the wall behind me was him in covert recordings telling someone to register.
	And it cuts to all the producers.
	They're just like this.
	They're sat with their heads in their hands.
	And then I got him on the sexual allegations.
	I got him on all of it, yeah?
	But exactly what they've done Not one single.
	This was the biggest expose there's ever been on the BBC. Not one single British journalist commented on it.
	Yes.
	What were you going to say?
	Isn't it funny that Andrew spoke about this earlier on as well.
	Yeah.
	They cancel you, they'll make allegations about you, put you in jail, and then off with the neck.
	So, real quick, can you tell us about your...
	How'd you meet Andrew?
	How'd you guys end up being friends?
	And then I'll get into the other question I had as far as, like, them putting you back in prison, because I had a question on that, too.
	I didn't want to interrupt you when you were telling the story.
	Nah, cool.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, of course.
	Yeah, how'd you meet Andrew?
	How'd that come about?
	Loom boys.
	Andrew Tate's from Luton.
	I'm from Luton.
	Luton's a big town, small town.
	It's a rough town.
	It's the roughest town in the UK. In fact, the estate Andrew Tate's from is one of the worst.
	And I knew of Andrew Tate whilst growing up.
	I knew of him because he fought at a storm gym.
	I have good friends who train with him.
	So again, I have people...
	Lots of people I know who are close to Andrew and were very, very, very close to him.
	So who I trust and who I love, yeah?
	So not one of them has a negative word to say about the man.
	Not one of them.
	Everyone who's ever had any contact with him that I know speaks massively highly of him and his brother.
	And I got to know them More so last eight years.
	Last eight years.
	I went out to Romania in 2017.
	And this is where the dark stuff comes in.
	I went out to Romania in 2017.
	Now, when I went out there, I had my old cameraman who worked for me.
	My old team, yeah?
	Now, on the Panorama documentary, what we find out, and we get covert recordings, is that a NGO organisation called Hope Not Hate had been blackmailing my old employees, because my old employees had been giving information to them and getting money, yeah?
	And I got into their emails, so I got every bit of evidence I needed, yeah?
	I then ring them.
	Information on you?
	Yeah, they were giving them information on me, on everyone on the right.
	So this organisation were paying them and blackmailing them and threatening them that they could put them in prison.
	So when I went to jail, basically, when I went to jail for this reporting outside the court, this Hope Not Hate organisation contacted my employees, sat them down, told them we can lock you up for your radicalised people working for Tommy.
	We can do this.
	We can do that.
	Or you help us bring him down.
	So then they agreed to help him bring me down.
	And I've got them telling all of this on covert recordings.
	So then what they do, and he says they were blackmailed and they were threatened and they were terrified.
	He said we didn't know what to do.
	He then says that they were flown out to Italy.
	They were in Italy.
	So this organisation fly out to Italy.
	Now this organisation are high up with the British government.
	They're high up with the British politicians.
	They're politicians who sit on their boards.
	Now, they fly out to Italy.
	He says that the man let himself into his room and sexually abused him.
	He was a gay kid who used to work for me.
	This is what he alleges in the documentary.
	When I record the conversation talking to him, he said, Tommy, they raped me.
	They come in and they rape me and they've made me say stuff.
	And this is where it gets mad.
	They've made me say stuff.
	So he has been an asset of this NGO organisation and they line him up for the media who then report the lies he says.
	Now guess when Andrew Tate got sent to jail?
	Who come out and said, when I went in 2017 with my cameraman and a female come with us, yeah, to Romania.
	Now, in that stay in Romania, that female, in the morning I come out of my hotel room, Andrew Tate was one next door, the next room up, whatever, yeah?
	We come out and he's with this girl.
	She spent the night in his room and she's kissing him at the door as they've come out.
	So she's snogging his face off.
	I've seen that, yeah?
	We've then got in the car.
	She's messaged him the whole time.
	So she spent the night banging him.
	So this man, when Andrew Tate goes to jail, puts up that Andrew Tate raped her in 2017.
	This is a man who's an asset of the NGO organization, the NGO organization that were behind the social media banning of Andrew Tate.
	Damn.
	Oh, wow.
	There you go.
	It all interlinks, yeah?
	And it's only for the fact, it's like, I saw her kissing him.
	It's impossible.
	It's bullshit.
	You're being lied to, yeah?
	So I come out and made a video saying, no, this is lies.
	This man and this asset of Hope Not Hate, who are the organisation, I then done a documentary where, again, I got someone within Hope Not Hate.
	I got a mole within their own group and I found out what they were doing, how they were doing it.
	They paid 20 sat and panorama If you look at the history of Panorama, in the 60s or 70s, Panorama were taken to court.
	They had to pay millions because they were working alongside the NGO organisations to take down Conservative MPs back then, yeah?
	So Panorama were working alongside this group to take down me.
	We then find out when we do this investigation that Panorama, that Hope and I Hate paid £20,000 to a female to sit on a show in Northern Ireland, Spotlight, which is Panorama, yeah?
	And Paul Goldin is an activist like myself, yeah?
	We never used to get on, we get on now.
	Paul Goldin, he runs a group called Britain First.
	They're a patriotic movement, a political party in the UK. Now, they were rising in Northern Ireland at the time.
	They paid a woman £20,000 to sit on Panorama and claim that Paul Goldin used to lock her in her house and that he used to abuse her, yeah?
	So you see her on TV saying this, but then I've got the covert recordings that she was paid £20,000.
	So this is where...
	So when all the stuff came out about Andrew Tate, and a lot of my supporters fell out of me, I lost 25% of my subscription base, because I refused to condemn him, and I refused to come out.
	And a lot of my supporters don't like the fact that he's converted.
	A lot of them claim they don't like the way he's made his money through women.
	A lot of them claim the moral thing around that.
	So there's been all these issues going on in my own base.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no, this is lies, yeah?
	You cannot, you cannot trust anything that they're saying.
	When they put someone up on TV, no longer can you, I could trust any of them.
	When there's someone sitting talking, I think, how much have you been paid?
	And who's, and what, so what this NGO organisation, you can watch the expose, I'll send you the link, it's called Hope My Hate Expose.
	What they do is they do what the police can't do.
	Because if the police done it, it's entrapment.
	If the newspaper's done it, they're not allowed to.
	They're not allowed to pay people to create stories.
	So they come in and they fill the void.
	They pay the girls.
	And I guarantee you they've been in contact with every girl Andrew Tate's ever contacted.
	I guarantee you.
	He even said it.
	Yeah, I guarantee.
	And it won't be the government, because the government keep their hands clean.
	It won't be the police.
	It won't be the Romanian officials.
	It'll be these NGO organisations.
	And they come in, and they do the dirty work.
	And they have been behind putting people in prison for terrorism and everything, these groups.
	I question everything about them, because I've seen how they're afraid.
	And I've actually done a documentary.
	I've got five different people covertly recorded who were paid by this group.
	Five different people who are paid.
	Now, this story, obviously, the documentary I made is not about Andrew Tate, but you can take exactly what's happened with me, but you can magnify it for Andrew Tate because of the level of influence he created upon the youth that they want to stop.
	So what they were doing to me, so I've gone through this, I've experienced it.
	I've been imprisoned for it.
	I know how they operate.
	I know how dirty it gets.
	The most recent film...
	I made a film recently called Silence.
	This was about a story in the north of England.
	A Syrian refugee had water poured on him in a playground.
	The British public were told the Syrian refugee was innocent and the boy who poured the water was racist.
	This massive story was global news.
	It was on CNN. It was on Australian news.
	It was on Chinese news.
	It was worldwide, yeah?
	And when I done my investigation into it, I found out that it was actually planned.
	It wasn't just like a story went viral.
	The story happened six weeks prior.
	A GoFundMe was set up, and the day the GoFundMe was set up, then the video was released on a media campaign.
	All planned, yeah?
	And we found out that all the teachers...
	We find out...
	I wear covert recordings and I go and approach all the teachers.
	We find out they were paid £275,000 they spent buying non-disclosure agreements to make sure the teachers couldn't tell the truth about what had happened.
	So I created this film and I come out and told the British public, you're being lied to about this story.
	It's not true.
	For that, they took me to court.
	They hit me for £1.5 million.
	They bank run me.
	They put me through the court system, and at the end of the court system, when I produced all my covert recordings to the judge, which totally exonerate everything I said, which totally proved the whole thing's a farce, the judge carefully listed everything on the recordings from seven teachers, the head teacher, all of them.
	He listed everything that was said, and he gave me a court injunction that listed that if any of this is ever played in the public, I get two years in prison.
	Well, that film that shows every bit of evidence was released.
	It wasn't me who released it, but the way that their injunction is worded, it doesn't matter who releases it.
	That's the way it's worded.
	They can royally do me.
	So I'm not in the UK now.
	I'm exiled from the UK, sat in Spain, because I want to spend the next four weeks with my children when they break up for their school holidays before I go back to the UK. And I'm probably in prison for two years for showing the British public their corruption.
	When I say their corruption, on camera, On camera, the Asian teacher, Kumar, comes out and says, Tommy, man, I took the money.
	And I've got a button camera, so I'm like, what do you mean you took the money?
	He said, they paid us.
	How much did they pay you?
	£18,000.
	I said, that's silencing money.
	He said, that's exactly what it is.
	I said, they prevent you from telling the truth.
	Yep.
	So whilst they prevented all the people from telling the truth, they blew this story up worldwide.
	Now, when you look at the behind the scenes of this one story, again, hope not hater involved.
	Again, they target my family.
	It's an insane story.
	The film is a documentary.
	It was made into a documentary.
	It was released last month.
	Now, I probably face two years in prison for that.
	But I'm sitting here sort of like...
	If they lock me up for two years, everyone in the world is going to watch this film.
	It exposes them, not me.
	It's a great documentary for me.
	It shows that I was the only journalist in the UK who was reporting the truth against all the odds, against everything they threw at me.
	I didn't throw the kid under the bus, the young English kid whose life was destroyed.
	They absolutely destroyed his life.
	It's a great film.
	I didn't release the film.
	I was given an injunction.
	I had that film for two years.
	I didn't release it because I didn't want to go back to jail because I'm scared of jail, just to put it honestly.
	Because I'm five foot six, a little.
	And every single jihadi in there wants to kill me, man.
	Tommy, you've said a lot, man.
	I mean, a lot of expose has been done here today.
	But I want to ask you, man, you've been cancelled.
	You've been looked at as, you know, the enemy of the state, so to speak, in the UK. How has that affected your family, you know, yourself, your psyche?
	How has that been like for your life?
	Because, for example, I can imagine dating, public relations, or even, for example, you know, family must be affected in a bad way because of this.
	So the cancellation is one thing.
	That's a very hard thing to swallow in the sense, and it knocked me.
	And it knocked me in the sense that You're an activist.
	You're a volunteer.
	I've always said there's nothing stronger than the heart of a volunteer and for our activism for the first five years before I become a journalist, we were just activists and we were running and we were campaigning and they couldn't stop us.
	They couldn't stop it.
	The English Defence League could not be stopped because of the passion and belief in the people that believed in what they were doing and it was a camaraderie of brotherhood, of people coming together who all loved their country and it was that sense of belonging Because we've sort of had our belonging destroyed in the UK. Our sense of identity has been broken.
	We don't know who we are.
	We're not allowed to celebrate who we are.
	Yeah, sort of the English Defence League sort of gave that back to people.
	And then all of a sudden you had this real strong belief of groups of people coming together, which they were trying to break.
	But then when they censored you, so I went from, and I buzz, there's a speech I gave at Oxford University I walked into Oxford University and they hated me.
	When you speak, Oxford University is one of the most prestigious places in the world to be invited to talk.
	I was invited to speak there.
	And they usually give you a free course meal and you have this beautiful gala dinner before you speak.
	Everyone gets that.
	I didn't.
	So I was invited to speak there, but we're not going to give him dinner.
	We're not going to spend any time with this man.
	I walked in there, everyone was booing, everyone was hissing.
	It was my first opportunity since leading English Defence League to give who I am, because I've done little...
	I've been on TV, like you say, and just been shouted down.
	A lot of the time, due to the ridiculous behaviour of some of the supporters of the English Defence League, because English Defence League was a nationalist organisation.
	It attracted the brave and the stupid.
	We had problems, yeah?
	And the media continued to tell people it was a racist organisation, so we had them trying to align themselves as well.
	We had the real far right.
	The anti-Jews, we had them all trying to be part of this movement and we were trying to battle to keep them out for years at the start of this formation.
	So this was the first chance, 2015, five years in, I got to give my say.
	I got to say, this is who I am and this is what I believe and this is where I'm from and this is my life.
	And I buzzed off, if you go through that video, it's one of my only videos left on YouTube.
	It's like three and a half million views, 20,000 comments and every comment says, I thought this guy was a Nazi moron.
	How come I've been lied to?
	And lots of people angry, lots of non-white people furious saying, we never knew this.
	And the Pakistani girl who invited me sat down and she was lovely.
	She said, Tommy, I'll get everything you're saying.
	She come from Pakistan.
	She doesn't wear a hijab.
	In Pakistan, she said, when I come to the UK, I literally got chased out of the Muslim community for not covering my head.
	She said, I was so shocked.
	And we have a more liberal youth movement in Pakistan than what's in Britain.
	And a lot of these things, we can talk ages on this, is a lot of these things is a lot of the...
	Extremist groups, whether it be Muslim Brotherhood, whether it be the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, a lot of the Islamic countries, they're banned.
	These groups, these radical Islamist organisations are banned.
	Whether it be Imam, whether it be United Arab Emirates, all these countries, they're banned.
	But they're not banned in the UK. They're given charity status.
	Charity status and offices, and they're allowed into schools and that.
	Can we also say as well that it's not all Muslims, of course, it's only a few Muslims that are doing these things, right?
	Yeah, so the problem, this is where we have to really, because it's not all Muslims, of course, yeah?
	The vast majority of, look, I met some of the best people I've met growing up in Luton were Muslim.
	Many Muslims, I believe, are cultural Muslims now who identify as Muslim because they're born as Muslim, their parents are Muslim.
	Are they following the strict adherence of the Quran?
	No, they're not.
	But are most Christians following their strict adherence?
	Are most Christians having sex before marriage?
	Yeah, they are.
	So are most people living like this?
	No, they're not.
	The problem, I say, comes when we have literal interpretations of Islam and we have literalist Muslims, whether they be Wahhabists, Salafists, certain sects of Islam that are radical and extreme.
	And so we can understand, there was a government, there's a Pew Research poll.
	If you look at what's been happening in France this last week, The riots, the mass disorder, the attacks on all sorts, whether it be religious buildings, churches, police stations, 12 police officers shot, all this chaos that's descended in the last week.
	France, 16% of Muslims in the Pew Research in France support ISIS. 16%.
	It's a million.
	That's a million.
	We're not talking small numbers here.
	In the UK, 65% of Muslims wouldn't report on another Muslim if they knew they were involved in terrorism.
	65% wouldn't report.
	That's a problem.
	23% of British Muslims want Sharia law.
	That is a problem.
	Now, okay, it's great that 77% don't.
	But we've still got to talk about the 23% who do.
	We've still got to talk about what ignoring this is going to bring, because ignoring it is going to bring the dissent and chaos you've witnessed this week in France, where all the men are shouting that they're Algerian, not French.
	Fuck France.
	We're not bothered about the French.
	We just want the passport, yeah?
	All these problems, so long as you allow Qatar, Saudi and Iran to continue funding...
	The teachings of Islam in these countries, in Western countries and nations, which is what's been going on, you will get the extreme sex of Islam.
	You will get the backward thinking.
	You will get these problems.
	Now, as you've said, it is important to point out the vast majority of Muslims are decent Muslims and the majority are But that can't stop us from saying, hold on a minute, yeah?
	I'm a British citizen.
	I love my country.
	I've got three kids here.
	I've been born in Luton that now is a 50% Muslim population.
	I've seen the problems that come.
	I've seen the way it goes.
	I've seen the way the council bend, the government bend, the police bend.
	I've seen two-tier policing systems integrated, iron fists for every other community.
	When I say every other community, it's not about the white community, the whites and the blacks.
	It's iron fists.
	But the Islamic community, they're scared of, yeah?
	The power it has.
	And it is a powerful ideology.
	I know Andrew Tate, I can get onto the reasons Andrew Tate, I believe, has joined it.
	There are some great pros that come with Islam, but there's some terrible woes that come with it as well.
	And you've got to be able to have that discussion.
	Every time I've had this discussion, I make it very clear.
	If you're against people, it's bad.
	So if you say Muslims per se, they're people.
	Islam is an idea.
	And everyone should have every right in the world to criticize every idea going here.
	Tommy, you know what I want to see, bro?
	You and Andrew sit down for a debate.
	You and Andrew sit down one-on-one for a debate, because I think that would be a great discussion live on air.
	He's agreed to it.
	Andrew's agreed to it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No, you were saying, I wanted you to finish your point.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, so it is important, and it's important in the sense, and it's important in the sense, whether you say Muslims or whether it be Jews, yeah, on this argument, because I've seen lots of the comments on here, Tommy Robinstein, he loves Israel.
	Tommy Robinson is breaking it.
	Oh, man.
	I get told I work for Mossad, bro.
	I'm Mossad, apparently.
	Yeah, they tell you that you're Mossad.
	But it's important in the same way that you don't just label Jews, you don't just label Muslims.
	Because per se, as I said, the problem is four times as many British Muslims joined ISIS, went to fight for ISIS, than they've ever joined the British military.
	There's a problem.
	Now, we've got to address the problem, or if you want to ignore it and call everyone Islamophobic and racist and just wait until, because the demographical change in Britain and in Europe and in France, with the Muslim birth rate, 5.6 children on average, we have 1.3.
	The demographics are changing so quick, so fast.
	But in that community, there's a big problem here.
	There's a big, big problem.
	And again, I want to talk about it.
	And I want to find solutions to it.
	I don't want every Muslim to be deported from the UK. I wouldn't mind the million that wants Sharia going.
	But I don't want peace-loving, ordinary people targeted in any way.
	In fact, when Lee Rigby was beheaded in the UK, people pull out things I've said.
	When Lee Rigby was beheaded, he was beheaded on my son's birthday.
	And when he was beheaded, I don't know if you remember this, this was a British soldier.
	He had a Health Heroes t-shirt on and two Muslims grabbed him, Michael Adaballajo, they were converts, they were radicalised.
	I'd actually made a video about them.
	The man who beheaded him, I'd made a video two years prior about him.
	We knew who they were, we showed who they were.
	He beheaded Lee Rigby.
	In my first speech, I gave after that to 10,000 English Defence League supporters.
	I told them, if you attack a mosque, you're a fucking moron.
	If you dare abuse a Muslim woman walking down the street, you are scum.
	There are 660 British Muslims serving in the armed forces who are doing a hell of a lot more for this country than any of us are today.
	Now, so we have to, and I've used every opportunity, which no one highlights or talks about.
	Of course not.
	But I still think we need discussions on it.
	I still think if the rapes are out of control from a segment of this community, we need to know why.
	I still think we need to explore the teachings and understand the mindset of these groups of men who are coming here.
	I still think if you look at Pew Research and look at the thoughts of men in Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan, it's not good.
	And then we're importing them into this country and then just sticking them in Luton Town Centre and wondering why there's a bit of a problem.
	It's like we have to have these conversations, but these conversations are conversations that no one wants to have.
	And here's the thing.
	It's very interesting to me how you've made a lot of valid points.
	I mean, you know, as someone who grew up in a Muslim household...
	Well, obviously, I'm not the most religious guy.
	I always acknowledge this.
	Nowhere are you supposed to kill or hurt innocent people.
	You're just not supposed to do that.
	And obviously, you're always going to have people that take it to the extreme and do the radical things and fuck it up for everybody else, quite frankly.
	I mean, I was in the United States.
	I was a member of 9-11 vividly as a child.
	And I remember joining federal law enforcement because I was like, I'm going to go after the people that...
	Pretty much made us all look crazy because a lot of Muslims are peaceful.
	They don't do the bullshit.
	Islam solves a lot of problems.
	But then you get a small percentage of guys that fuck it up for everybody else.
	And it's unfortunate that like you're calling that out and then they label you as an Islamophobe.
	No, it seems to me like you're an extremophobe, which is good.
	We need to get rid of these extremists because in the United States, right, we curb that stuff because we have such strict...
	We have strict anti-terrorism laws.
	We have FISA. We have all these...
	You know, the United States prioritizes national security to a higher degree than a lot of these other countries because, you know, after the Patriot Act, it prioritizes security.
	Now, I've always said that you can't have the utmost security without necessarily giving up some rights.
	That's just what happens a lot of the times.
	But in the UK, it seems like they're a bit afraid to go after the extremists.
	And my thing is, you have to go after the extremists because they make everyone else look bad.
	In every religion, in every sect, there's people...
	That are going to be bad, whether it's people from Israel, people from the Middle East, people from the United States, people from any country, Africa, wherever.
	There's always good and bad people, but it's always that small percentage that do some bullshit.
	And if they're criticized, they will go ahead and take out all the good that you say, right?
	And they'll say, oh, he's an Islamophobe.
	To me, it doesn't sound like you're an Islamophobe.
	To me, it sounds like you have an issue with a small percentage of guys that are out here using the Koran and using Islam as a veil to commit criminal activity, to include raping, hurting, beheading, hurting other people under the guise of, oh, we're doing this for Islam.
	No, you're an extremist and you're hurting innocent people and you're using religion to justify your criminal behavior, which is what a lot of terrorists do in the United States.
	And I don't stand for that.
	I mean, that's a big reason why I went to federal law enforcement is to get rid of these guys, because at the end of the day, you never kill innocent people, period.
	It doesn't fucking matter what you believe as far as, oh, they've done this, blah, blah, blah.
	You can't kill innocent people for American foreign policy.
	You can't do it.
	That's just what it is.
	You know, if we're going to call a spade a spade.
	So, you know, people are...
	But the thing is, is I think another issue...
	Let's address the elephant in the room.
	If you're a Caucasian male, you can't criticize anybody.
	And I've talked about this openly.
	People get mad at me.
	If you're a straight Caucasian male...
	You can't criticize anybody, right?
	And even me.
	If I criticize the black community, if I criticize anyone, they're going to call me an Uncle Tom.
	So realistically speaking, right, we live in a very pussified world where people don't want to have these tough conversations.
	But I think you need to have these tough conversations to better things.
	And I don't think any race or any gender or any religion is above criticism.
	If we got guys that are extremists, that are committing acts of terror and hurting innocent people, it needs to be addressed.
	If you're hurting children, it needs to be addressed.
	And you cannot use religion.
	Right?
	As a veil to protect you for prosecution or being held accountable because you're not supposed to harm children in Islam, period, or kill innocent people.
	I don't give a fuck what anybody says.
	They're going to sit there and say, oh no, under this situation, or maybe this surah says this, and I can interpret it this way through my radical mind.
	No.
	You don't hurt innocent people, period.
	You can't say it allegedly.
	That's what it is.
	You guys want to go to Rumble?
	We should probably go to Rumble here.
	Because I want to be able to give Tommy...
	And for some of you guys in the chat that are crying and saying, oh, he's an Islamophobe, blah, blah, blah.
	Look, bro, just because people say things that you might not agree with or you're misinterpreting, because here's the thing.
	Now I'm listening to him speak.
	They misinterpret a lot of things this man says.
	A lot.
	It's wild to me.
	And here's the thing.
	Y'all, when you go on Wikipedia, they're going to put a bunch of bullshit.
	He's an Islamophobe.
	He hates, he's a white supremacist, blah, blah, blah.
	I don't hear none of that.
	I hear someone who has an issue with a group of people that are committing criminal acts and using religion as a veil.
	But if you go ahead and you have discussions about this shit and you let the person talk and you listen to what the fuck they got to say, you listen, wow, you're making a lot of sense.
	That's a problem I had, because all the interviews that he did in the past, he couldn't talk.
	He shot over him.
	People want a virtual signal and all that other shit, and I'm listening, and I'm like, no, man.
	Bro, it's a small percentage of people that are doing some bullshit, but you know what?
	Guys, we're going to switch to Rumble real quick.
	Let's go to Rumble.
	So, I want to be able to give Tommy the platform to be able to speak openly, because as y'all know, YouTube is lame.
	Guys, come on over to Rumble, rumble.com slash freshfit, so we can finish up the interview.
	And yeah, if you're soft, bro, then don't come over to Rumble.
	It is what it is.
	Yeah, stay on YouTube, bro.
	Yeah, man, stay on YouTube, man.
	A lot of y'all are fucking pussies.
	I keep it a thousand.
	All right.
	We can talk freely, openly.
	Yeah, so, Tommy, go ahead, man.
	So, I think my thing is, so where, because if you kill innocent people, but there's so many clerics who say what innocent is, that's the problem, which is where, say on the Islamophobe front, they say I'm an Islamophobe because I try to explore The reasoning or the reason given by many terrorists or many extremists.
	So then I look at it and say, is this link to teaching?
	Is there a link between what Mohammed said to do and what these men are doing?
	And I explore that, which is where the allegation prohibits that I'm not allowed to look or research any of those things.
	That's where I think Islamophobia has been brought in like a word, racist has been brought in to stop any decent discussion around solutions to these problems.
	And I think that the British government for so long, like, for example, on the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, I've spoke about this a lot more recently.
	I never thought deeply about those wars.
	You just said you signed up because of 9-11s.
	I believe that we've been played against each other for so long, all of us.
	I believe the open border immigration is just another major part of that.
	I believe the Muslim community being used as part of that.
	I believe the bringing down of Gaddafi.
	I believe the illegal invasion of Iraq, the removal of Saddam Hussein.
	When I think about all of it now, I'm 40 years old now.
	When I started the English Defence League, I was 25 years old.
	I was a young, angry man, but a young, angry lad with some of the things I've seen.
	As I look at the situation now, and I try to understand it from a Muslim's perspective, and I look at what happened in Iraq, and I look at the unlawful illegal invasions of country after country after country, and you think about the carpet bombing that went on and the innocents who were murdered day in, day out, the million people displaced and killed in Iraq.
	For what?
	By who?
	I've always laid total support behind our military, but they have been used.
	Young men have signed up believing that they are going to fight to protect freedom and democracy.
	Whereas in reality, it's the same as what's happening now in Ukraine.
	I'm glad we can talk for you.
	It's the same as what's happening now in Ukraine.
	They have been used to fight proxy wars, to destabilize.
	And the reason we have such extremism problems is because our government imported the extremists because it suited us to import them.
	We actually give them bases so they could fight against the Russians in Afghanistan.
	We actually helped create the radical Taliban.
	We actually helped create ISIS. We actually, our funding has supported these mindsets.
	Until it's come bit us on the arse, yeah?
	It didn't matter when these jihadists had their mindset targeted on other nations or other people.
	It's mattered now that the problem is coming home to roost because they're here, and they're in all of our countries, and you've given them safe haven.
	You've given them Muslim Brotherhood, organizational after organization of terrorists, of radical extremists.
	It wouldn't be his but to here, banned in most countries, not in our country.
	They're allowed to flourish, yeah?
	All these groups, all these organizations, and that's partly due to British government foreign policy, And the policy to disrupt and destroy nations across Africa, across the Middle East.
	And sitting back, when you look at that now, and you can sit and review the bigger picture of the world of where we're at today.
	And it's no difference to what we're doing in Ukraine now.
	If Ukraine was a Muslim country, it'd be exactly like we've done in Afghanistan, what we've done in Iraq.
	Yeah, growing up and looking back and looking at how those elitists have played us all.
	And I believe they want the scenes you're seeing in France.
	They have created the two different communities.
	They've broken down our nation state.
	They've broken down our community spirit, our identities.
	They've weakened us.
	Because as a lot has changed in the last couple of years with COVID, with the vaccine, with the New World Order, that there was a conspiracy with their central bank digital currencies that they want to implement with the 15-minute cities.
	When you start looking at all of it, it's like one big jigsaw.
	It's all falling into place.
	And essentially, whilst I've been head-on against Islam, I've been head-on against the indoctrination or the extremism and the problems that come with it.
	But really, we've all been played.
	And they want you white, you black, you straight, you gay, you Muslim, you non-Muslim, whilst they just obliterate and take every one of our freedoms and play us all like absolute fucking idiots.
	There's a phrase that goes like, out of chaos comes order.
	And to answer your point as well, they've created the problem and then they create a solution to that problem.
	Exactly.
	But in this whole dynamic here, what does it do?
	It creates division.
	And with division, you can't conquer because you can't come together.
	Logically, you're worrying about racism.
	You're worrying about, for example, religion.
	And then they come under the veil of, you know what?
	This solution will save all of you guys.
	Come follow us.
	And that's how you get control taken away from you.
	So I definitely agree with you 100%.
	You're right.
	The Stop Oil protests in London that are funded by the globalists.
	So the globalists are funding these people who are protesting against the globalists.
	So the Stop Oil protests, who are all middle-class little hippies, they're bringing roads and bridges to a standstill, and the police have literally been told to stand down.
	Ambulances, people are dying, people can't get through the roads, and they're told to step down.
	Whereas the police could remove them, but they don't.
	So they let all this problem build up.
	The British public get that fed up because they're getting stopped for 12 hours every single week.
	The government, Rishi Sunak, the globalist, then brings in a new law to deal with protesters.
	That law ain't to deal with stop oil.
	That law is to deal with you.
	That law is to deal with you when they next want to lock you up on a lockdown.
	You don't want to abide by it.
	So the law, they've created the problem by funding these groups to shut down motorways.
	And then they come in with, we've got the solution.
	We're going to stop oil.
	We're going to bring in this new law, which is going to prohibit their freedom, but really yours.
	So they create the problem, then they come in with a solution.
	The solution is to take your freedom, take your right.
	It's like after every terrorist attack.
	And you know, like false flags.
	I didn't used to buy the false flag theory on a lot of stuff.
	The more and more now when I look at the laws they pass and I look at what they rush through straight after any attacks, whether they've been part of letting the attacks happen, whether they've ignored them and allowed them to happen for their own beneficial gain, it just stinks.
	Everything stinks.
	And it does all join together, from Black Lives Matter to all of it.
	It's all about dividing us whilst they control us.
	I've always said that racism and these terms...
	You know, insert phobe here, whether it's transphobe, gay, homophobe, blah, blah, blah, whatever it is.
	It's all terminology used to, you know, separate and conquer, right?
	They always divide and conquer.
	And what I've realized is...
	Poor people have issues.
	Like, people that are lower socioeconomic status, they argue about this shit because they think that's the real problem.
	No, the real problem is that you're a fucking slave.
	You don't understand how the world really works.
	You think it's racism.
	You think it's religion.
	You think these are things that are holding you back.
	No, it's your fucking head.
	You can become a somebody regardless of what the color of your skin is.
	It's just that stupid people argue about these things and it keeps them arguing about that.
	I mean, it's interesting to me how, like, they'll have race wars or they'll have certain things come out And that will go ahead and be the leading coverage versus real news comes out.
	For example, when Andrew Tate got arrested, right?
	The day that he got arrested, Jeffrey Epstein, one of his financiers that was paying off the victims, got sued.
	And there was a question on that.
	It was being held accountable from a legal standpoint.
	But what was everybody looking at?
	If you typed in human trafficking on December 29th, 2022, what did you get?
	You got Andrew Tate.
	You didn't get anything on the Epstein situation, right?
	So, I mean, the more and more I researched, the more and more I realized that there absolutely is an elite.
	There absolutely is a bunch of people...
	That are involved, that control information that's disseminated.
	There is a media that's 100% biased, right?
	And there is a matrix, 1000%.
	And their job is to divide and conquer, keep us stupid, keep us unaware.
	If you do speak the truth and you get close to what really the fuck is going on, they will cancel you.
	They will silence you.
	They'll take your platform away.
	And that's what they do, man.
	And with Andrew, right?
	He was like, whoa, you're too influential, right?
	That's why he was a target.
	It wasn't his views, necessarily, because a lot of things he says are correct.
	It's, you have too much influence, and we don't like this.
	And then on top of that, you take a country like England, right, which I'm learning more and more from listening to you, has no freedom of speech.
	They've been some of the biggest ones as far as the battery in the pack going after Andrew.
	I mean, banning him from school, putting...
	They're not just banning him.
	They're spending...
	I think they're on a billion pounds.
	They're trying to undo what he's done.
	Now, what he's done is he's reached...
	And I saw it in the school summer holidays.
	Was it the last year, the year before?
	Because my son was of that age.
	My son was 12, 11, 12.
	All of them were Tate mad.
	I mean mad.
	Something happened over the school summer period when there was off school and it was all Andrew Tate.
	And I remember thinking...
	What are school going to do when the kids go back?
	What are they going to do?
	I think it's because all the kids are walking around like this.
	They're all getting told they can't do this in assembly because all the boys are sitting like it.
	They've got someone who they're looking up to who's strong.
	Now, these elite is powers.
	Have worked for decades and decades to weaken what a man is.
	They've planned and organised to weaken the resistance of men because they don't want strong men.
	Along comes Andrew Tate and in 12 months he's fired the bellies of the next generation of children to want to be fit, healthy and strong men.
	This ain't good.
	This ain't good for them, for their plan of control, and for their plan...
	And you've seen the lies.
	I've seen the lies, and I've seen the campaign against him, and the same within the schools.
	For example, my daughter...
	My daughter's school rang me last, say, probably six months ago and said, we're just giving you a quick call.
	My daughter's 12.
	We're just giving you a quick call because in case people mention things to your daughter at school, because the year above, there's an education lesson and you come up in it.
	I said, OK, well, I already know what you're going to be saying about me and none of it's going to be true.
	So I know what you're going to be labelling me as or talking about me as in my daughter's school.
	What do you think of that as a teacher for safeguarding my daughter?
	Because you're going to label me as an extremist or a racist, yeah?
	So to all the non-white children at the school who believe your bullshit, yeah?
	They're going to believe that little girl's dad's a big racist, and you're telling them it in school.
	I had to get lawyers.
	I had to get lawyers to contact the school to prevent them talking about me to my daughter's own class friends, yeah?
	And the children in the children's school.
	And I know from other schools, so I'm part of the national curriculum, is they bring up pictures, say, of Hitler, And they tell the story of that.
	And then they bring in, oh, here's Tommy Robinson.
	And they won't sound anarchy, but they bring me in straight afterwards and talk about how my views are dangerous.
	So that's part of their national curriculum.
	They talk about me.
	So the next generation of children.
	So my thing was worrying because once they deleted me off YouTube, once I was deleted, we have a public who can remember who I am because they've seen my content.
	Once they censor you, no one sees your content.
	They're into the next generation.
	So then they're feeding the next generation.
	You're this, you're this, you're this, you're this.
	And I walk down the street and people hate me.
	And they don't even know what...
	I've done many videos like this.
	You can watch them.
	I called them...
	They were called Troll Watch, where people demanded I'd be murdered.
	And I go and find them and say, why?
	And they don't know.
	They're like, well, you hate all immigrants.
	I said, no, never said that.
	Never ever said that.
	You this, never said that.
	So you've been told who I am and what they want to do now with Andrew Tate.
	Andrew Tate said you fucked up with me.
	I remember watching it when they first cancelled him.
	You messed up with me.
	And I remember I didn't believe they had.
	I thought he'd be forgotten within six months.
	I think they may have messed up now going for the legal case because they've kept him skyrocketing the news.
	He's continued to trend well after they try to silence him and de-platform him and make him visible.
	He's become more visible to the world in every sense.
	I think he's in a very dangerous situation.
	I think he knows that.
	I think that that will get on your head because once you realise...
	They're not going to leave this.
	Like with me, it's like they're not going to leave it until...
	Because they have to set...
	With me, they've used me to set an example to others.
	Yeah?
	You will not stand outside court cases.
	You will not report on these crimes because we can do what the hell we want.
	We want to lock him up, we'll lock him up.
	We want to put him in that jail, put him in that jail.
	We want to do...
	So with Andrew Tate, it's the money, yeah?
	So I think they're going to go after, as we said, we've just seen, what's these, £380 million?
	What's that got to do with anything?
	But they've seized £380 million.
	I said to him the minute he got arrested, bruv, they're coming for the money.
	They're coming for the money because they can't allow you to be this icon to the children.
	They can't allow it.
	They can't allow you to talk about the other way of making money.
	They cannot allow it.
	They can't allow it.
	And they'll break you in any way they can.
	And what we're witnessing is their attacks.
	And that's not going to stop.
	I think he knows that.
	I've said this before, like, you know, amongst friends and everything else like that.
	The biggest reason they went after Andrew Tate so hard is because he had the young teenage guys and influenced them.
	And I think one thing that's kind of kept us away, like, from being canceled, right?
	Because we agree with Andrew on 99% of things.
	Is that we don't have the same influence over the kids.
	And I think once you get into influencing the kids for their betterment and telling them, hey, don't be a slave.
	Be a critical thinker.
	Be able to rationalize and see the world through your own eyes versus believing everything that you're told in school.
	To them, they look at that as dangerous.
	If you do it to adults, that's one thing.
	But if you go ahead and you tell kids, hey, Don't be a slave.
	And then you're telling their high school teacher, what color is your Bugatti?
	I don't want to be a fucking teacher.
	I'm going to be an entrepreneur.
	That's dangerous to them because now you're telling them that the establishment is a lie.
	So I think the biggest reason that they went after Andrew was because he had the hearts of the teenage boys.
	And that's why they said, fuck this.
	This is way too dangerous.
	And then on top of that, it wasn't the UK. And here's the thing.
	We spent a little bit of time in the UK. I'm not going to lie.
	I was very disappointed being there.
	Listening to you talk about it, listening to Andrew talk about it, spending time over there, etc.
	They are one of the biggest Western countries putting the battery in the back of prosecuting Andrew and going after him, right?
	And they are super woke.
	The UK is more woke than the United States.
	So, yeah, man.
	I mean, it's no surprise that they went so hard on him.
	And it's crazy to me how they basically did to you what they're trying to do to him now with, you know, using women, right?
	And the sexual assault thing, because when you do that, What does that do?
	That immediately is gonna...
	They can label you rapist and then that hurts your credibility.
	I would argue that you were the first person to go through the fire.
	And as an example, I think with Andrew, because he's not controlled media, they're like, you know what?
	Get him out of here.
	Any way as possible.
	And it starts with, like you said earlier, getting canceled.
	They're getting allegations put in jail.
	That doesn't work.
	The cancellation didn't work.
	But that doesn't work.
	And it affects your money.
	What's next?
	Because he had money.
	It's because he had money.
	So I said to him, I said, the problem they got, when they tried to do it to him, I said, you're worth hundreds of millions of pounds.
	So you don't give a shit.
	Whereas with me, they've cut...
	They're financially...
	Got everything.
	They made me bankrupt.
	They've closed every avenue, every payment processor, every bank.
	I can't get a bank.
	I've been closed by them all.
	Can't get a payment processor.
	I can't get an email.
	I can't get any of these things.
	They've shut it all down.
	But with Andrew Tate, he still had money.
	He still had money.
	And the reason I remember...
	I used to send him screenshots.
	My son would message me.
	My son would be going to school.
	He's 13 years old.
	He'd say, Dad...
	Drama, music, Spanish.
	What is this matrix here?
	He goes, why are you making me be a slave to this?
	I said, look what you've done.
	I'll message Tate saying, look what you've done.
	My son's on me saying, Dad, why am I doing this?
	I'm going to be a plumber.
	I'm going to be a plumber, Dad.
	But he is making kids think, he's making them want to be better men.
	I should send you, I'll send you the video after this.
	You've got to see my son's before and after.
	This was me before listening to Andrew Tate.
	And this was me after.
	And he was overweight, and now he's a ripped machine.
	Nice.
	What's up, man?
	Now he's a ripped machine, and that was in 18 months.
	And I mean, he's a little eight-pack, like that.
	And when people bring up the negatives, and I was reading all the comments as Andrew was exploding.
	And I was reading the people saying he saved their lives.
	He's got them off antidepressants.
	He's made them change their way of life.
	You asked about the dark times for me or what being cancelled and all these attacks has done for me.
	Many times I've been in some dark, dark places, man.
	I ended up going out on binges, on sessions.
	The only solution come for me was fitness.
	And if I maintain that, I'm in a good place.
	If I break that habit, I'm in a bad place.
	Right.
	And so to be able to fight everything that I know is coming or the problems, the problems seem minicule, no matter how big they are, when you're fit and you're level headed.
	But if you're in a bad position of bad eating habits, of bad drinking habits, of all of that, then everything comes on top.
	And that essentially, again, was through listening to Andrew Tate as well.
	I was sitting there listening to him as a fat, lazy shit.
	I was sitting there fat, lazy, and in bad shape listening to him saying, get up off your ass.
	Let me ask you this, Tommy.
	What are your thoughts on his conversion to Islam?
	We're on Rumble, so you can give your thoughts.
	What do you think?
	The truth, of course.
	You can say...
	I was like, man, everything I've done, I've just spent a decade of my life trying to raise awareness about problems and you've gone and influenced the entire next generation to something that I believe you don't really know that much about.
	I believe Andrew Tate Is in a position where he feels totally under attack and he should feel like that.
	And he's in survival mode.
	I believe he's also watching the degeneracy of the West.
	What we've become.
	What is the alternative?
	What are we?
	Who are we now?
	What is this trannies reading nursery rhymes to your kids?
	What is this gender?
	What is all of this?
	What is the Christian church become?
	What is the representation of Christianity become?
	Not Christianity, but what the representation become?
	How weak, pathetic and cowardice is it?
	And then you see the opposition within the Islamic community.
	And you see a resistance and you don't see the tolerance of the woke mess, especially the LGBTQ plus brigade, the alphabet mafia.
	Yeah.
	So I believe that Andrew Tate, and I could see it coming, if I'm honest, through his talking and his views, because there's a lot of strong points that come from the Muslim belief that are to be applauded.
	Sometimes I could sit there jealous at the community spirit and the brotherhood that Islam gives them.
	So I think Andrew Tate has seen a lot of that, watched a lot of that, He talks a lot about God and about evil and I think even on my own journey as you're watching, there is satanic shit going on.
	There is satanic stuff.
	So he talks about if there's a Satan, if this is all satanic and these rituals, which are very evident and in your face now, from music videos to everything.
	If there is this, then there has to be an opposite, which is Andrew Tate's belief and that's what's led him to this path.
	He talks a lot about God now.
	I'm disappointed totally that someone who talks so much of freedom, Would want to enslave themselves to another mindset.
	But when I say enslave themselves I'm talking about Islam in the sense of leaving Islam and apostasy and rules and laws around apostasy and being free.
	So if Andrew Tate wanted to say tomorrow that he wasn't a Muslim anymore can he say that?
	Is he free or will his life be in danger?
	So there's lots of things that I was disappointed with.
	Lots of things I'd like to have a frank discussion with Tate about which I'm looking forward to.
	He's agreed to.
	I respect Andrew.
	I don't respect his decision to convert to Islam at all.
	But I understand it at the same time because I've watched...
	What alternative are we giving as the West?
	What leadership is there?
	Any leadership there was is silenced and censored anyway.
	So, Tommy, what is the other option then?
	Because obviously there's Christianity, there's Hindu, there's different religions.
	I do think that Islam solves a lot of the West problems, right?
	Obviously you have these extremists, right?
	Like these rape gangs that you mentioned.
	You got terrorists that are out here killing innocent people under the...
	The guise of jihad and a holy war when you're killing innocent people, etc.
	But I do think Islam does solve a lot of the West problems.
	But here's the thing, though.
	If I'm going to be all the way 1,000, all the religions do.
	Christianity being Catholic.
	The thing is, if you're a devout Catholic or if you're a devout Muslim, etc., you're probably going to be a better person to a degree.
	Because religion is going to keep you from doing a lot of the stupid shit or participating in a lot of the degeneracy, right?
	that is going on nowadays.
	If you're a devout Jew, right, you're gonna be participating in certain things that are gonna make you a better person.
	So I think all the Abrahamic religions in general make you a better person if you adhere to them and you follow them.
	My thing is, I don't knock any, I think, that's why people might say, oh, well, why do you like a guy like Nick Fuentes or Sneeko or whatever?
	They're religious now, and I respect that.
	Andrew, he's religious now.
	I can respect anybody that's religious, because even, to be honest here, I'm not the most religious guy, and it's a weak point in my character that I need to fix, because I do think being religious to some degree, any of the three main religions of the book, I think you'd be a better person, but...
	I never knock someone for the religion.
	I think even if you're a Christian or Jewish, whatever it may be, it's good.
	I have an issue with the extremists, right?
	When it comes to, you know, you get the...
	There's extremists in everything.
	You got the extreme Zionists that do a bunch of bullshit, right?
	You got the extremist Muslims that do a bunch of bullshit.
	You got the extremist Christians that do a bunch of bullshit.
	So the extremists always pocket out for everybody else.
	Logically, I see why you chose, you know, the Muslim religion, but I'm asking you, Tommy, what is the solution if you don't choose Islam?
	If you don't choose Islam.
	You're right about that Islam solves certain problems, but just having a strong belief in who you are solves those problems.
	You don't need a doctrine or religion to follow to solve the problems of transgenderism or the woke community or any of these LGBTQ plus problems.
	You just have to know who you are and stop the sexualisation of children.
	The problem comes in the fact that most other communities, most other religions are scared.
	And they're not willing to stand on point, whereas the Islamic community are.
	They don't give a shit.
	They don't bend.
	They will not bend and they will not move from their position.
	And which should, I guess, be applauded.
	I think that I think that my situation and where I'm at in my life and the problems we face, we always viewed Islam as the biggest problem Great Britain faced and the growth of Islam and the Islamic teachings, that's how I viewed it.
	I now view that the globalist agenda and the attack on our freedom is the biggest problem and the biggest solution to that We'll be the uniting of Christians, Muslims, and everyone else.
	You know what's interesting, Tommy?
	No one's going to clip what you just said just now.
	No one's going to say that, hey, I had these views before, it's really the globalist, etc.
	No one's going to clip that.
	They're going to put the part, oh, this guy's an Islamophobe, whatever.
	They'll find a bit I said.
	Yeah, they'll find one little liner, yeah.
	And I'm sitting here talking to you, and I'm like, no, this guy makes a lot of sense.
	No, he's not a white supremacist.
	No, he's not a fucking Nazi.
	The guy loves his country.
	He has an issue with mass immigration.
	And, you know, because we have a mass immigration problem here in the United States as well.
	I mean, I think mass immigration on any degree from any group of people is going to lead to problems, right?
	And it's organized, right?
	The fact that 4 million have crossed your border, the fact that these boats literally just go 10 metres off the coast of Libya and they get picked up, the fact that they had to get rid of Gaddafi in order to flood Europe, the fact of all these things, whether it be the Barcelona Declaration or all these things that are quite documented about the...
	Planned mass migrations into Europe and the destruction of the nation-state.
	It's all there.
	It's all happening.
	None of this is a fluke.
	None of it.
	Everything that's happening to us is planned.
	It's whether we're going to sit back and allow it.
	And how do we get enough of us that are going to stand up against it when they're in control of big tech, they're in control of censorship.
	So what happens is people begin self-censoring They think something, they know something.
	So many people knew COVID wasn't right.
	So many people know the vaccine wasn't right.
	How many people were still getting the jabs?
	I see lads I know, lads walking in a mask.
	I said, what the fuck are you doing, bruv?
	He's like, what?
	I said, why are you wearing a mask?
	Tell me why you're walking around in that mask.
	He goes, well, we've got to wear a mask.
	I said, you don't have to wear a mask.
	Take the fucking mask off.
	Stop wearing a mask.
	Stop.
	All everyone has to do to stop this is just say no.
	The only problem is they've got everyone, which again is part of the plan, they've got everyone financed up to the hill.
	And everyone living quite comfortable lives.
	In our parents' generation, Everyone didn't live comfortable lives.
	When I listen to my mum talk about her upbringing, she was one of eight children living in a three-bedroom house.
	They had a terrible upbringing in poverty and how poor they were.
	Not anymore.
	Every kid's got an iPhone.
	Every kid's got plasma TV. Every family's actually got a level of quite a good life.
	And so long as they maintain that, Everyone's worried about losing their jobs.
	Everyone's worried about everything.
	So what you probably need is the biggest economic crash we've ever seen in order to wake the public up to what's happening.
	Because otherwise, because I questioned a lot of good friends when I started my activism, just saying, do you not actually give a shit of what's happening to our country?
	Do you not care?
	And most people are like, no, I'm all right.
	I'm all right.
	Their level of caring was about them and I had this with my ex-wife over the years trying to convince her That it's far bigger than our children, because she always talks about our children.
	I said, no, this is about an entire generation of children.
	This is about the entire next generation.
	So you look now, say, I'll go through the sexualisation of kids and the amount of non-binary children.
	In my children's school, it's insane.
	There's 60 in one year.
	60 transgender children in the one year.
	And now they're starting them at seven and eight.
	And this is not a mistake either.
	Anyone who thinks that this has, oh, it's just happened.
	No, it hasn't just happened.
	They've indoctrinated.
	They have access to children.
	They want to take away your parental consent.
	They want to take you away, which is why they want you at work every hour of the day.
	They want to bring your kids up.
	They don't want you having the say.
	They want to indoctrinate them using these phones that we're talking on.
	And the whole bigger picture is where is it heading?
	And which is what I say now is what's the biggest threat?
	What's the biggest risk?
	How do we stop it?
	And it is the attack on our freedom.
	And that is only going to accelerate because if you look at how fast things change and how quickly they happen, I think even from the President of the United States being censored on social media and deleted off of all social media to the To the crazy situation in general.
	What do you think of January 6th and the mess around January 6th and the FBI's involvement and the way they've portrayed it?
	And I believe all of that is to install fear into the American public about ever coming out in numbers against protests and anything.
	Locking them all up on solitary confinement, on bullshit, bogus charges.
	But I just think the situation we're in now is probably the most pivotal in time, certainly as humans, with freedom.
	We've always had this facade.
	We've had freedom of speech.
	We've always believed there's been a free press.
	Social media has opened our eyes beyond that.
	We've become journalists ourselves.
	We've gained access to the public ourselves.
	We can sit and listen to each other's opinions ourselves.
	We don't have to have people tell what they still do with our censorship is tell people who we are.
	Most people know me by what they're told about me.
	They haven't sat and listened to me in long form or had a discussion with me.
	Yeah, and I'm really glad that I sat down and had this conversation with you because, you know, what I've realized is when it comes to the mainstream media and what people put out or whatever, they put out the most ridiculous shit about you, especially if you're conservative to any degree.
	They try to make you look like a loon.
	They call you far right.
	They say these things to discredit your viewpoint.
	But when you actually sit and listen to the individual, you're like, wow, you make a lot of sense, you know?
	When I think of people like this, I think of people like you, now that I've spoken with you and had this discussion.
	You know, Nick Fuentes, etc.
	They have a lot of issues with the things that they say, even though a lot of things they say are right.
	And let me ask you this, though, real quick, Tommy, because they keep saying this shit in the chat, so I gotta ask this.
	What's your take on...
	They're saying that you're a Zionist and that you're a Mossad and all this crap.
	Address this stuff.
	What's your relation, if any, to Israel or Zionism, whatever it may be?
	What is that?
	What is it?
	So basically, this comes.
	This comes.
	So when we started the English Defense League, we started the English Defense League, and with regards to Israel, I said, if there's 52 Islamic nations, can the Jews have one?
	Can they have one?
	If there was 52 Islamic countries, can the Jews have one?
	I started my activism listening to a lot to Gert Wilders.
	Gert Wilders speaks about if Israel falls, everywhere falls.
	It's a beacon of democracy surrounded by Islamic totalitarian states.
	I looked at the Seven Day War, what the Islamic leaders of those countries said to the Jews they were going to do to their women and children when they took those countries.
	I'd looked at lots of things, but I'd also looked at growing up in Luton.
	And let me explain.
	Okay.
	There's a Jewish colony of...
	And when we were kids, we used to go out into the woods, and they live in the woods, yeah?
	It's quite near Luton.
	We used to go out there and being kids, we'd throw stones and just be little shits, yeah?
	That's what we were doing.
	I remember we went there once and we had...
	We had what they called, like, little rocket things.
	And I went there with my mate, Sully, who's Muslim, Kenyan Muslim.
	I remember as we were firing these rockets over at this...
	It's like dormant trees.
	We were firing these rockets over.
	At these dormitories.
	I wasn't doing it because they're Jewish.
	I didn't give a shit.
	I was just being a little kid, yeah?
	Yeah.
	My mate said my mum would be so proud of me, yeah?
	As we were running off, we were running off.
	He said, my mum would be so proud.
	I remember thinking, my mum would kill me.
	What do you mean your mum would be so proud of?
	He said, the Jews, the Jews, yeah?
	And I remember thinking, what?
	What the fuck?
	What the fuck are you talking about?
	Your mum would be proud.
	We're off shooting rockets off at people's fucking big...
	And that was one thing.
	And I spoke to Sully, and Sully's a Muslim, yeah?
	And then I remember seeing...
	When Jews remember the Holocaust in Luton, because there's no Jews left in Luton now, but when they were years ago, they had to lock themselves inside the town hall because they were attacked by all the radical extremists.
	This is Al-Majdine, the extremist organization, which are now a prescribed terrorist organization.
	They come and they all march.
	There's a video of thousands of Muslim marching.
	They go, Qayyuba, Qayyuba.
	And what they're chanting about, because I've got it translated, so I'll try and understand what's going on in the sound.
	I've got to translate.
	They're chanting about when Mohammed beheaded 600 Jews, when they'd surrendered.
	They're chanting about that, yeah?
	And they're chanting about the Jews, fuck the Jews, fuck the Jews, literally walking through Luton Tower Centre.
	So I'd seen so much anti-Jew stuff as well, growing up, surrounded by an Islamic community.
	And there are no Jews left in Luton.
	They've all gone.
	There's none.
	The Islamic Centre, which is the Islamic Centre, which was the home of the Stockholm bomber.
	It was Mohammed, the man who done the London Bridge terrorist attack.
	He was the second in command of that mosque.
	It's the radicalist mosque in Luton.
	Well, that used to be the synagogue.
	Yeah, that was the synagogue.
	Now it's the terrorist enclave, yeah?
	So I've seen so much.
	So when we started the English Defence League, we had the Star David.
	And then Nick Griffin come out, who was a British National Party, who's one of the people who just blames Jews per se.
	Not an elitist, doesn't pinpoint what he's talking about, just Jews, yeah, per se.
	So he's one of the people who blames Jews.
	So he talks about, he said that we were Zionists, yeah.
	So the next thing I'd done when I was in America, I snuck into America.
	I legally entered America.
	And I wore a badge.
	I wore a badge that said, I'm a Zionist.
	When I said I snuck into America, I went in 2009 when we set up the English Defence League I'd been the three years prior.
	I was arrested at JFK Airport.
	I remember I was sitting talking to the air hostess, and we were talking about, we've just started this group, the English Defence League, it's mad, yeah?
	We're marching around, and the government hate us.
	And then as we pull up, as the plane boards, the doors pull up.
	Coppers are standing there, two coppers standing there with guns.
	I just looked at her, I said...
	And then they detained me at JFK Airport, they then said there's usually a bit of discrepancy with it.
	Usually there's a bit of allowance here, but you're going back, mate.
	You're getting deported.
	But I'd been in America three times prior, the three previous years, so I'm in the English French League I weren't allowed in.
	The next year comes and I work off impulse on a lot of things, which has got me in a lot of trouble over the years anyway.
	If I think I'm right and I think I'm just, I just think, well, I'm doing it.
	And if I worry about consequence, you won't do anything.
	So I just think, just do it, yeah?
	So it comes to 2010 and...
	I've got a friend who some people say looks like me, which I'm pretty good because he's short.
	He's a chubby little mess.
	And I've took his passport and I thought, I'm going.
	I'm going to America.
	So I booked a flight to JFK. You've got two airports in New York.
	My cousin books a flight to the other airport.
	So I booked two flights.
	I booked a flight in my mate's name and a flight in my name.
	So I leave the UK on my passport.
	I ain't vote the law in the UK. I land at JFK, put my passport in my pocket, pull my mate's passport out, hand it in.
	As I hand it in, he says, he goes, yeah, yeah.
	And yet they scan your retina.
	So I'm standing there thinking, I'm fucked.
	So they scan your retina.
	I've been out on the piss the night before as well.
	So I'm sitting there thinking, oh, man.
	And I think I was in a hotel room at like stupid o'clock in the morning thinking, and that's when I made the decision, I'm going to America, yeah?
	But I'm going to America.
	And then here I am, I'm at JFK Airport, and they took my passport, put it in a little folder, I said, one more stop, mate.
	And where he pointed to was where I'd been arrested the year before.
	So I said, all right, mate.
	So I took it.
	And as I start walking, I'm walking and boom, I just go, man.
	I get out of the airport.
	I get into New York.
	I go to the other airport in America.
	And as the doors open, my cousin walks through.
	And I'm like, yes, man, I'm here.
	And I'm in New York.
	And I give a speech at an event after the New York State Center.
	I give a speech at an event.
	I only spend three days there, yeah?
	And then...
	So then I book...
	I post my passport home.
	I post my friend's passport home.
	I send that home.
	And then I book a flight into Ireland on my passport.
	So I fly back to Ireland, go back through the Northern Ireland border because there is no border.
	So you don't have to show...
	So I'm back in the UK. Six weeks later, I'm arrested on the M25. They shut the M25 off.
	I'm remanded into custody.
	For a legal entry into America.
	Now, I read the report and America weren't interested in prosecuting me, but they held me on remand.
	So I spent three months on remand.
	I spent 22 weeks of solitary confinement on this charge.
	And if I'd have known, do you know my biggest regret?
	I spent three days in America.
	If I'd have known I was about to do 10 months in jail for that, I'd have spent three months.
	I'd have been all over.
	I'd have toured the place.
	To answer the question, bro, because they keep spamming.
	So the question is, I'm not funded by Israel.
	I haven't been.
	I'm not Jewish.
	I don't hate Jews.
	On the Jewish question, if that's where people want to go as well, on the Jewish question, when I researched, when I've done my research into Hollywood and areas like this, I looked at the higher ranking.
	I think it was 60% Jewish owned, yeah?
	Yeah.
	The top people.
	Yeah.
	And then I looked at the...
	Are you still there?
	Yeah, yeah.
	We're here.
	Don't worry.
	I don't know what the fuck...
	I think it is on your end, Tommy.
	It's my end.
	Oh, one sec.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay, one sec.
	We can hear you, though.
	We can hear you.
	- Amen. - I'm back.
	- Yes, but then, when I look, JQ will turn to get... - Here's a question, it's off.
	- You think I was off, we got JQ.
	- They're fruity, you're not fruity.
	- One of them boys.
	- Let me say, and he bottled the question.
	- Okay.
	- When I look, 60% Hollywood, Jeff.
	And then I looked at the funding, and it was like 96% Democratic Party.
	Yeah.
	Even the non...
	So 60% identify themselves as Jewish.
	But the other 40% still fund politically the same as this 60%.
	So is this 60% because they're Jewish?
	Or is it because of their mindset and their views?
	Politically.
	Because the other 40% of Hollywood who aren't Jewish are still funding identically...
	Their donation-wise is identical to the Jewish groups, yeah?
	So I don't believe...
	I believe, per se, that the Jewish IQ, when you look, Jews rise to the top in companies in power, yeah?
	In their education, their family...
	They don't have broke-down families like...
	I think the West now, especially Britain, there's more breakdown.
	There's the biggest percentages of breakdown in families, which results in problems for the children, which results in problems for education.
	So the Jewish community don't have that.
	They still have that close-knit community.
	So they excel in business, they excel in education, and they excel to the top of companies.
	I don't believe that, and I don't buy in to the fact that I believe when you look and identify some of the people who are behind a lot of, whether it be Black Rock or Vanguard, yes, there's Jews there, but there's also non-Jews.
	There's also non-Jewish families who are also bringing about the force of destruction of our culture and our identity and the nation state.
	So is it because they're Jews?
	And when you label the word Jews, which Kanye West done, which certain other people do, I don't believe that's helpful at all, because some of the best activists I know, Avi Yemeni being one of them, who's my friend, he worked for me, he's a journalist from Australia, he's a great individual, he's Jewish, he doesn't hate, he doesn't want to break down.
	So I believe the same way, which I was getting onto earlier, the same way it's important to say, it's not Muslims, per se, I have a problem with Islam, I say, and when people say, why don't you talk about Jews?
	I don't know any Heron dealing Jews.
	I don't know any Jews who groom in Luton.
	I talk about my experience growing up.
	I don't know any bad Jews.
	So on the question, I used to argue the point, and I went to Israel.
	I went to Israel.
	I spent a week there.
	And I spent time with Muslims.
	So I went with my mate Dean, who's a black lad I went to school with.
	I said, do you want to go to Israel?
	He said, what for?
	And I said, mate, I'm going out there.
	I talk about issues.
	I like to know what I'm talking about.
	So in my week out there, I met some young Arabs, some young Muslims, and I paid them.
	They didn't know who I was.
	And there's videos of this.
	I paid them to take me to a Fatah-controlled refugee camp in Bethlehem.
	So in disputed territory, when you go in Israel, you get the bits where it says, do not go past here.
	When I go there, I see that, and to me, that's where I want to go.
	That's where I'm going.
	So we go through, I pay them, and I'm on the way up with my mate Dean, and we're in this car as we're entering in, and he's like...
	And we had a big fallout just before we went there because he was like, I haven't come here to get killed, bruv.
	What the fuck are you doing?
	I said, mate, I said, I haven't come here to listen to Jews.
	I've came here to listen to everyone.
	So let's go and listen to everyone.
	Let's spend a day in the refugee camp with all the Muslims.
	And he goes, yeah, but if they know who you are, you're going to get killed.
	I said, yeah, but if we pull it off, it's going to be fucking brilliant, bruv.
	And as we go there, my mate's like, I don't give a shit.
	I've just come to see the history of Israel.
	I don't care.
	I said, well, I haven't.
	I want to understand what's going on.
	And as we're walking around this refugee camp, he was a fourth generation refugee, the young Arab Muslim lad.
	I related with him more than anyone I met on that entire trip.
	He was me.
	When I say he was me, I mean my identity or my sort of upbringing of how we talk, of who we are.
	I related with him.
	You could have took him out and put him in Luton growing up.
	And as we're walking around, I kept saying to him, because he didn't know who I was, And we're going past, I said, who's she?
	He goes, oh, she blew up a blast.
	She was martyred.
	She's this.
	And on all the sides of the houses are all the murials as we're walking around.
	Whose house is this?
	He said, this is the house of this terrorist, not terrorist, freedom fighter, whatever.
	So as we're going around, He kept correcting me because I kept saying, are they killed a Jew?
	And he said, Israeli.
	And then I said, so who?
	And he's a fourth generation refugee.
	And he said, never give money to free Palestine because it does not come to us.
	And I'm sitting there like, what?
	Everything I thought I knew, I didn't know.
	Trust me.
	In that trip, everything I thought I knew, Was the total reversal, yeah?
	In the sense that he kept going on about the Palestinian Authority.
	Never once mentioned Israel.
	Never once mentioned Jews.
	So the Palestinian Authority, I said, who's oppressing you?
	If you're here as a fourth generation refugee, who's oppressing you?
	He said the Palestinian Authority.
	And the Palestinian Authority, so these people who leave these refugee camps, now I may, and it works, because he said we will forever be refugees because we're a political tool, yeah, for people to give money to amass to these different groups.
	So as we're walking around, I left that refugee camp, I said, where's the football pitch?
	There isn't one.
	I was playing football with all the kids on there, yeah, and I wanted, I left that camp wanting to give them money.
	I wanted to help them.
	So it works.
	If you bring politicians and political figures from Europe and you walk around this place and you're looking at it.
	And he said, we've had twice as much money as Germany had after the World War to rebuild.
	We're all still living in shanty towns.
	We forever will be living in these shanty towns.
	And when he mentioned the Palestinian Authority, the Palestinian Authority who govern them, They pay the equivalent, for example, of £3,000 a month to anyone who comes out of that refugee camp and kills, and he corrected me, an Israeli citizen.
	So then I sat and looked at the whole conflict very different because I thought, you're hiring mercenaries.
	So what I always saw as religious happening in Israel, to then realise that this group who governed the Palestinians...
	Give them money to go and kill.
	And I said to my mate Dean, I said, bruv, we've both got children.
	There's no way out for any of these people in this camp other than to go pick up a knife or a gun.
	And as a father, it may seem like a drastic action, but we get told that poverty leads to extremism.
	Fucking poverty.
	These kids are stuck in fourth generation refugees with nothing.
	And you're offering their families the only way out, a financial solution for the rest of their lives.
	You give money to the rest of their lives.
	So you want to solve that problem and remove yourself from this camp and this life.
	Your problems are forever solved by going and becoming a jihadist, a terrorist.
	So I looked at it all and it actually threw me and I looked at the Palestinian Authority who are funded by the British taxpayer.
	We're actually funding this mess.
	And then as I spent time, Donald Trump got elected when I was in Israel.
	So as we're walking around when he got elected, I was going up to Muslims.
	And everything I wanted to know was how Muslims felt.
	Because I was obviously looking at both sides of the other.
	And when we got back into it, so we've gone around this refugee camp.
	I spent the whole day there.
	I've got videos of people with machine guns.
	It was mad, man.
	And then we come back.
	And when I sit down with the Muslim lad, who's put me around there, I tell him who I am.
	I said, I need to tell you who I am.
	I said, have you heard the English Defence League?
	And he's like, yeah.
	I said, my name's Tom Robinson.
	And I lead that.
	I am the biggest anti-Islam activist in Europe at the time.
	And he was like, he was angry, but he was like, why bruv?
	I said, because I wanted to hear it from you.
	I wanted to see your side of the story.
	And your side of the story has confused me a lot.
	Because he didn't mention Israel once, brother.
	Not once.
	And even the Muslims.
	So Muslims when I'm in Israel.
	And this is what I say to most people.
	Most of these people in the comments.
	Have you ever been?
	Have you ever spoke to a Muslim living in Israel?
	Because I spoke to hundreds.
	And I remember saying to this Muslim, like, brother, you oppressed.
	What's going on?
	And he laughed.
	And at the time, we was in the Golan Heights.
	The bombs are going off in Syria.
	And he said, brother, I can pray for you five times a day here.
	He goes, where do you think I want to be?
	Do you think I want to be over there?
	And he laughed at me like I was an idiot.
	Because I was asking him about Israel.
	Now, I understand there are mass problems on either side.
	And I never knew that the Gaza border, you know the wall?
	You know the wall?
	You see this big wall, yeah?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The wall's about 20 metres long!
	That wall is just a little snippet, and then the actual gap of Gaza is like miles.
	And it's patrolled either side.
	It just wasn't what I'd been shown when I went there.
	And I went there from the concept of finding out the Jewish history side, finding out the argument on that side, finding out the Muslim side, finding out who's oppressing who, to give myself a bit of knowledge on it if I'm going to talk about it.
	And I understand there's wrongs, and I can understand why many people watch snippets of videos And get so angry.
	And I understand there's wrongs and how many people must be feeling on either side, but it's not as clean cut.
	And so when people say, are you a Zionist?
	To me, Zionism meant, when I first started the English Offensive League, what Zionist means is a homeland for Jews.
	Do I believe that Jews can have a homeland?
	Yeah, I do.
	Am I ashamed of that?
	No, I'm not.
	Do I believe that after history and what happened to Jews in history, do I believe that they'd be automatically defensive?
	And yeah, I would be.
	So it's a very complex issue.
	So when people say, what's your point on the Jewish question?
	Yeah, some of the people causing mass destruction to the West, and mass destruction happen to be Jewish.
	Do I believe it's because they're Jewish?
	No, I don't.
	Do I believe they're fundamentally practicing Jews?
	But look at George Soros.
	I mean, he sold out on the Jews and he was selling them, wasn't he?
	Turning on them.
	So I think, yeah, I think it's a very complex issue.
	And I've done a deep take on it, Tommy Robinson, the Jewish question, where I researched for days and days and days.
	It was after Kanye West, because I think he brought the question to the forefront.
	And I really delved into the rabbit hole and the numbers.
	I like numbers.
	I like statistics.
	I like looking at the demographics of everything.
	And I went down that hole and I wrote a report.
	I'll send you it.
	I'll send you it, bruv.
	I wrote a report of what I concluded at the end of that.
	Which is that there are problems.
	Should we be calling out elitist Jewish groups?
	Yes, we should.
	Do media matters need to be brought down?
	Yes, they do.
	Are there problems from these certain organisations?
	Yes, there are.
	Is it Jews?
	No.
	Is it the Jews?
	Which is all I hear and get thrown at me.
	And because I don't hate Jews, then automatically you're Mossad.
	No, I wore a t-shirt.
	Do you know when you go on holiday, yeah?
	So I wore a t-shirt.
	It's fucking so thick.
	So when I'm in Israel, I'm wearing flip-flops, and I'm by the Golan Heights, and I see all the Israeli soldiers and tanks.
	So I run over, I say, bruv, and the gun's there, yeah?
	So I jump up on the tank, and I'm pictured.
	I'm wearing my little shorts, which are too small for me.
	And I've got a machine gun.
	And it ends up going everywhere.
	And that, to everyone, is, see, he's Mossad.
	And they're not, you know, like, you know, in the tourist shops, I bought a T-shirt that said, yeah, Israeli Defence Force, in a tourist shop.
	And I'm wearing that T-shirt.
	And you know what really threw my head?
	As I'm coming out of this Jewish, this Muslim Bethlehem, there's about a thousand young Arab men.
	And they're doing camel racing.
	And I say, stop, yeah?
	Take me over there.
	And there was a video of this.
	I've got a Sarah David t-shirt on.
	And I walk straight over in the middle of all of them.
	No one bats a bloody oil.
	No one gives a shit.
	And there's Jewish families sitting down having a picnic.
	And they're having a picnic.
	There's a thousand young Arab men.
	And there's not one bit of grievance between them.
	Now, if you had a thousand young Pakistani youths, In Luton.
	And there were Jews, visible Jews, in the park having a picnic.
	There's a problem.
	Trust me.
	So, per se, they all seem to rub along pretty well in comparison to how they would in the UK. Right.
	It's the most fascinating trip I've ever had in the sense of...
	And my mate, we said the same when we went to Israel because it was so...
	I went to question a lot, to see a lot, but I don't have Jewish paymasters.
	No one can tell me what to say and what not to say.
	No one.
	I work for Ezra Levant, so a lot of people, and if you ask Ezra, I was the biggest nightmare.
	I can't have a boss.
	Ezra said, Ezra tried to explain it.
	It was like trying to put a firework in a bottle because he tried to tell me what to do and it ain't happening.
	So no one's ever going to tell me what to do, what to say, how to talk.
	There is no one who could get me to say...
	People say he'd stand with Israel.
	And then I'll tell you the other thing where this comes from.
	I'm in a group chat of friends.
	Some are Muslim, some are black, some are white.
	It's all the kids I've grown up with, yeah?
	We're bantering amongst each other.
	That's the banter in our group chat.
	So the banter in our group chat is usually racial banter and humour amongst friends.
	And in there, I made a video saying if there was a war tomorrow, I'd fight for Israel, lads.
	Just bantering the Muslim lads.
	And that video was ended up in the Sun newspaper.
	And it was a video that was in context is in a group chat of my mates who I've grown up with, and we're bantering and winding each other up.
	And that's it.
	So these little things are taken that I'd go fight for Israel against Britain.
	Yeah, so let me say, I will say this, because, I mean, in the United States, I don't know, I'm not familiar with how much it's involved in British government, but here in the United States, you know, I mean, it's pretty much irrefutable that, like, you know, Israel has a very strong lobby in U.S. government, U.S. politics.
	If you look at like an AIPAC or whatever, right, like 98% of their candidates win their general elections, right?
	So basically in the United States, if you don't align yourself with Israeli interests, you probably won't win your general election.
	So my thing is they have a lot of influence.
	And my thing is I look at it like this.
	You cannot be, and this might be a controversial take, thank God we're on rumble free speech, you cannot be a Zionist while simultaneously putting America first.
	You can't, because Israeli interests don't always necessarily align with American interests.
	What does Zionist mean to you?
	What are you taking as the interpretation of Zionism?
	Zionism just means a homeland for Jews.
	Yeah, so it's pretty much the preservation of states for Jewish people, but namely Israel.
	So my thing is, I think, because here's the thing, Jews and Zionists are two different people, right?
	Because not all Zionists are Jews, right?
	And my thing is, I think the Jews should have a homeland.
	The problem is that they're taking it from Palestine, right?
	And that's not their land at the end of the day.
	You know, they've got it through England, and they're there, and they're basically occupying land that isn't theirs, to be honest with you.
	But my thing is, all the bloodshed, because it would be great if they could come to some middle ground, right, and end the bloodshed, but it's never going to happen, right?
	And since it's never going to happen, we've got to figure something else out, because at the end of the day, And here's the thing, too.
	It's American foreign policy with Israel that's put us in some situations where we've been attacked by terrorists, and no one wants to talk about this.
	A big reason why...
	Osama Bin Laden and a lot of these guys have come after us is because of our support for Israel.
	And my thing is, why did we invade Iraq?
	We invaded Iraq for Israel.
	We didn't invade it for American interests.
	Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden are enemies.
	But most Americans don't know this.
	So I look at it like...
	We need to put the United States first.
	We need to stop fighting Israel's wars because it puts us in weird predicaments.
	I think that's a big reason why they went after Trump is because he didn't want to invade Syria.
	He didn't want to drag us into a war.
	And the economy was much better when we weren't involved in war.
	Now that we got Biden office...
	Is there a difference between Israel and the American government in the sense of if you're looking at the wars and Iraq, was it for Israel or was it for globalist plans?
	Which is the people pulling the strings of the American government as well.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, you can make an argument that it was for the globalists as well.
	But, I mean, the Iraqi invasion 100% benefited Israel far more than it benefited us because it was our soldiers that died, you know?
	And we killed a bunch of Iraqi people and...
	You know, Israel didn't really end up taking a lot of the brunt.
	And then when you look back at 9-11, I mean, it's pretty much proven now at this point, there was Israeli intelligence involved along with Saudi Arabia, right?
	We got to attack.
	We got to look at all of the parties.
	It's not just an Israel problem.
	19 Saudis fly planes.
	Apparently, 19 Saudis.
	We're going to invade Iraq.
	Yeah.
	So my thing is, I look at everything, right?
	So 100% Israeli intelligence was involved.
	Saudi Arabia intelligence was involved.
	The deep state of the United States was involved.
	And it's fucked up.
	And we basically...
	Allowed a terrorist attack to happen, right, on our soil, and used that as ammunition to evade a country that we should never have invaded in the first place that had nothing to do with the attack.
	But it benefited Israel significantly because they're getting 85% plus of their oil now from Iraq.
	And that was a big part of them.
	Saddam was a big enemy for them.
	So my thing is this, just to sum it up, is...
	Israel has a majority representation in American politics that doesn't necessarily always have America's best interests.
	And this is perpetuated as well in the media because the news obviously puts out certain things that doesn't necessarily reflect what might really be going on.
	Western media doesn't cover Palestine at all.
	If Israel attacks Syria, they're not going to cover that, unfortunately.
	My thing is This is why independent journalism is so important, right?
	This is why independent media is so important.
	This is why Fox and CNN are going down the tubes because they're not willing to report and tell the truth about what's really going on in the world.
	They're extremely biased, right?
	They're over here lying, everybody saying that we're winning the war in Ukraine.
	No, we're losing.
	We're losing.
	So that's the only thing I would say that I disagree with you on is I think Because, again, Zionists and Jews are not the same thing, right?
	I don't have a problem whatsoever with people that are Jewish at all.
	I think one of my best friends at college was Jewish, and he saved my ass from getting jumped.
	My thing is, I have a problem with guys that do anything for the preservation of Israel at the cost of the United States.
	At the end of the day, my allegiance to the United States, and a lot of the times, our interests in the United States don't align with Israel's, but we end up fighting a lot of their wars for them.
	That's my problem.
	And a lot of American soldiers die.
	So for the record, first and foremost, my protection and my love and everything I'd fight for is for England and no one else.
	And there's no one else that would come near to that.
	So I understand because some people said that, because this is a different interpretation of Zionism, because some people said Zionism means Israel first.
	I said, well, Israel doesn't come first to me.
	Nowhere comes first to me other than my homeland.
	That's what comes first to me.
	So you're right.
	If certain things are detrimental to the United States, then all you should care about is the United States.
	I'm speaking from an American perspective, so I don't know how the UK works.
	That's why I couldn't say anything about...
	For me, first and foremost, my battle is for England and Great Britain.
	I respect that.
	That's what my battle is for.
	And that was my last question to you, Tommy.
	In the end, in your belief for free speech, do you believe that you are patriotic or you're more, for example, just free speech of the truth in your...
	I'm patriotic and I'm tribalistic about everything and anything can always happen.
	So when I was at school, I wanted to fight for my school, against other schools.
	When I'm in Luton, I want to fight for Luton against other football clubs.
	In England, I would fight for England.
	I'm tribalistic.
	I think as men, we all are tribalistic.
	And we all have that instinct to fight.
	I love my country.
	I have three children.
	I want them to have the same freedoms and I want them to grow up in the same stability.
	But I don't think they're going to.
	And I think that they're That their freedoms are under attack and are at risk.
	So I'm patriotic, but then the fight for truth is as important as everything can anything.
	Because without the truth, without a platform to give the truth, everything else crumbles.
	So your freedom of speech while we're on the United States, just recently I was about to re-enter the United States.
	Because I was sitting there and I was aware that a film was about to come out that could risk me in two years in jail, that I'd get two years in jail.
	And I thought, where else is their freedom of speech?
	I don't think you really understand how blessed you are and how much you need to fight to protect it because they're going to come for it.
	Right.
	Is for the Constitution.
	And your right to bear arms.
	And your right to stop them.
	And so I was looking at America.
	I actually went to Cuba.
	And so I was creating a documentary.
	And it took me 72 hours.
	I was sitting in Tenerife.
	And I sat there and went...
	Do you know what?
	Like this is me thinking on an impulse game.
	I'm going to America.
	I'm going to show everyone how weak your border is.
	I'm going to make a documentary about it, fleeing for freedom, because that's what I was going to call it, fleeing for freedom.
	And I'm going to come to the United States where I'm protected by the Constitution, where I have a protection for my journalism.
	Where I can't be imprisoned for creating content that questions corruption.
	Because in Europe I can.
	And in every other country in Europe you can.
	And there is no freedom.
	So it took me 72 hours to source, to find a source that could get me into the United States illegally.
	It was $10,000.
	So I flew to Cuba.
	I made my way to the Bahamas Islands where I met.
	And this is the thing that would shock so many people.
	The boats that are leaving the Bahamas Islands are not full of Indian, African, Middle Eastern migrants.
	They're full of whites.
	They're coming into America.
	They're full of Irish.
	They're entering America.
	So this was my plan.
	And I spent weeks there as I was looking at all of this.
	And then I spoke to lawyers.
	So illegally entering America one time is a misdemeanor.
	It's nothing.
	You do it a second time, it's a felony that carries a two-year sentence.
	At which point I left the Bahamas Islands and come to Spain.
	But I sat there and thought, why didn't I research all this before I even got here?
	But I was sat there.
	I was sat there watching as boats...
	I'm regularly leaving.
	And I was going to show how easy it is.
	And it is easy.
	As I said, it took me 72 hours to find a way into the United States where I could pay illegally to be bought in there.
	$10,000.
	It would have been a great documentary.
	I filmed every second of the way from the start of it to leaving, to kissing, to going and thinking, right, I'm coming.
	I'm going to enter the United States and I'm going to play the system that they all play as they enter our countries.
	Well, good thing you didn't do it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Two years.
	Instead of just two years in brief.
	Good thing you didn't do it, mate.
	It's interesting because, like, it's crazy how the world you I used to arrest people for that.
	It's 8 USC 1326.
	Illegal re-entry.
	Full circle.
	Yeah, bro.
	That would have been hilarious.
	We got some chats here.
	We'll close it out.
	Okay.
	Rumble just signed Russ Gumm on their platform.
	Rumble really taking over right now.
	Yeah, bro.
	Freedom speech, man.
	Best platform.
	Have a great evening, guys.
	Shout out to Tommy CEO Network.
	Let's go.
	Shout out to you.
	Shout out to Cody.
	Brett Osega goes, WTommy CEO Network.
	We up.
	Shout out to Brett because of him just stopping by the way.
	And Tommy, a.k.a.
	Steven, how is that Israeli money you Masade just shovels guy?
	Goy, he answered that already.
	He's not a Mossad agent.
	You know what?
	Mossad, if you're watching, if anyone gets this to Mossad, everyone says anyway, so give me some fucking money.
	Send me some money.
	There you go.
	We got here the Alpha Widow.
	Tommy's an OG of truth and citizen journalism.
	Thank you for your fight, brother.
	Absolutely.
	City Boy Farmer goes, Tommy, in your life, have you ever been paid by any pro-Israel organization?
	He said no.
	No, no, no.
	So the Middle East Forum funded a demonstration whilst I was in jail.
	So I was in jail.
	The Middle East Forum funded the demonstrations because they fund things around free speech.
	When I got out of jail, I contacted that organisation and tried to get them to fund my work.
	Yeah.
	But they told me my work doesn't cover freedom of speech.
	They have a very strict rule for what they can fund.
	So no, mate, I haven't.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Patrick921.
	Tommy, you keep taking shots at Muslims but would never dare debate Muhammad Hijab and you never question your master, the JQ. Myron, the genius, said he would discuss them boys with a rabbi.
	Oh, this genius said he would discuss them boys with a rabbi.
	Muhammad Hijab is on record as stating that you should be able to marry children.
	So that's who you want me to debate.
	The debate would be finished very fucking easily, mate.
	The same with his co-cahort.
	What's his name?
	The other clown, his little sidekick.
	I would win a debate with either of them very easily, yeah?
	So it's not that I wouldn't debate.
	I'll debate either of them anytime you want.
	Let's do it here, man.
	Yeah, well, I don't know who this guy is, so I'll research him.
	He's a clown.
	He's a total clown.
	Would you be down to debate him?
	I'll debate him, mate.
	All right.
	We'll find out who he is.
	Yeah, we'll set it up for y'all.
	900 million funded.
	Because here's the thing.
	I'm not an Islamic scholar.
	I'm not going to say that I am.
	Like I said, my family's very religious.
	They know the Quran back.
	But I remember growing up as a kid, you don't hurt innocent people.
	Where's your family from?
	They're from Sudan.
	Oh, Sudan, man.
	They just changed the laws in 2020, no?
	Against apostasy.
	Against what?
	So there was apostasy laws where you get killed if you leave Islam.
	And in 2020, due to the women, I believe there's a women's revolution, sort of.
	70% of the protesters were women.
	And the women fought, the women, the Christians fought together, the Muslim women and the Christians fought together to repeal and bring in a new law.
	That gave freedom against the apostasy so that people couldn't be punished with death for leaving Islam.
	That law was brought in in 2020 due to the pressure of the women.
	I think in 2021 they arrested four Muslims who had converted to Christianity again.
	There was a military coup, I think.
	Every country is individual.
	Every country is different.
	But that apostasy law and things like that are the sort of things I'm passionate against defending, the same way the Muslim women were passionate against repealing it in Sudan.
	So I'm on the side of Muslim women.
	I'm on the side of the biggest freedom fighters we have seen in the last three, four, five years, and not in the United States.
	It's the women in Iran.
	It's the women in Iran who have been massacred, who have been imprisoned, who have been killed, who have been beaten down for wanting freedom.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and I support them every single fight.
	Well, we could definitely, like I said before, I'll research the guy.
	We'll set up a debate.
	I think the people would like to see that.
	And yeah, we could host it.
	Because like I said before, I'm not a scholar, so I can't sit here.
	I'm just listening to a man speak.
	And honestly, to me, listening to you talk, I'm like, wow, they misrepresent a lot of the things you say, man, to paint you in a certain light.
	I think for an interview to happen, the party must Just talk so you can hear the point of views first, then you'll rebel.
	If you just cut them off, then you can't really hear the point of view.
	And again, this is the thing, right?
	This is why it's so important to have independent media, because people bring people like him on, right?
	And then they'll let them speak a little bit, and then they'll chop parts up to make them look crazy, and then they'll just attack them, attack them, attack them.
	So ever since we did our Flavor interview, I'm like, we're never going to do that to a guest again.
	We're never going to do that to a guest.
	Like, for example, what they did to us?
	They came out to shame them, to change their point of view.
	And he did that to Tommy, Paris Morgan, of course.
	Oh, yeah.
	If you Google, I don't care if I incite fear of Muslims, Tommy Robinson, it brings up a Sky News headline, yeah?
	So when I went for...
	And the whole thing's a lie.
	I went for an interview with Sky News and I left the camera recording.
	So I recorded the entirety of the conversation.
	Then the headline come out.
	And it had me saying, I don't care if I incite fear of Muslims.
	I didn't say that.
	So I watched back through the footage.
	We're talking about a film in Holland.
	There's a film called Loverboy that came out in 2007, which was to identify the Moroccan men which were grooming young girls.
	And as we talk about that film, I said, I don't care if that film instals fear.
	I don't care, so long as it prevents rape.
	What they've done is they got rid of the context talking about that film.
	They put a voiceover saying, I put to Tommy Robinson that he instals fear in Muslims.
	And then they just had me saying, I don't care if I instals fear.
	So they took my answer to saying totally different.
	So I'm about to know with AI how much more is going to happen.
	And they did that with Andrew with the BBC interview.
	They did that to you.
	It's crazy to me.
	So my thing is like, yo, when you bring controversial figures on, you have to let them say Everything.
	And then be able to take all that all in.
	Interpret it correctly with proper context.
	Because it's been done to us too, bro.
	So that's why I was like, I shut up a lot and let you just talk.
	Because it's like, I don't want to sit here and have anything be misconstrued, man.
	So it is what I just wish more people did that.
	But they don't.
	They try to virtue signal, clip shit up, make it look crazy.
	And I haven't gone into it.
	In this debate, or in this discussion, I haven't gone into the...
	Hardcore teachings of Islam or the scripture of Islam or Mohammed.
	We'll go part two.
	We've got some more time.
	Super Saiyan saying, $900 million funded to ISIS, BT, France, but you don't like to read that, right?
	F-O-F? $100 million funded to ISIS. What's he saying?
	France funded ISIS? You're saying ISIS... Okay, I don't understand.
	Funded to ISIS by France?
	I don't know what he said.
	The West funded ISIS. The West funded...
	We wanted them to overthrow Assad.
	We helped create them to get rid of Assad.
	And Assad's cool, man.
	I want to say Assad's cool.
	Same way Gaddafi was cool.
	Same way Saddam Hussein.
	In the sense of, look, if there's stability...
	Syria was a great country before this conflict.
	It was us.
	It's us.
	Same way Ukraine.
	It's us.
	The West has done a lot of bullshit.
	I'm half American and half scoose.
	I lived in Liverpool for three years.
	One of those years was 2015 when Beirut was first introduced.
	I agreed that England should leave and go.
	So much hate I thought was Chris.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	And then I've seen drag queens strutting in churches and flamboyant gays wearing heels serving as priests and pastors.
	Christians should fix their own church instead of whining about the Islamic faith.
	Well, we talked about that.
	That is true.
	The Christian church has become feminized and have been captured by politics for donations.
	They stopped using shame and abandoned some of their principles to increase membership.
	We talked about that as well.
	I don't believe they believe in Jesus.
	This guy, he goes, why do you have so much energy against Muslims but you get real nervous and tight when Jews get mentioned you Zionist scumbag?
	We answered that question already, guys.
	That was before.
	Fuck off where were you, Mark?
	Yeah, I would not consider Tommy a Zionist.
	He's England first.
	Let's see here.
	Where we are here?
	Tommy, remember?
	Coley Burks, the police otter.
	He's my older brother.
	Do you remember him?
	I do remember him, brother.
	He's a lovely guy, man.
	He's a Muslim, right?
	He was a cool guy.
	I met him.
	Yeah, he was cool, man.
	Tell him I said hello.
	Alright.
	And then last one here.
	If you ever want to make Chet angry, you should get Adam Green from No More News On.
	He deals with Noah Hyde being the solution to the globalist problem and that it's pill-pull?
	I have no idea what that means.
	Me either.
	Alright, so Tommy, where can I find your brother?
	You can find me on Rumble.
	You can find me on Telegram.
	You will be able to find me on Mice Media soon.
	Mice Media is a new decentralized media platform that will incorporate all sorts of social media.
	It's hard when you're censored, but that's where you find me.
	Yeah, Rumble.
	I'm on Getter.
	I'm on Telegram, lads.
	And all his links are going to be down below in the description box.
	And yeah, we need to do a part two.
	Yeah, we'll do a part two.
	We'll host a debate and we'll make it happen, man.
	And yeah, other than that, it was good talking with you, man.
	Awesome, bro.
	I enjoyed the discussion.
	Like I said before, I think it's very important to be able to have discussions with people that might have different viewpoints.
	And that's the only way that you can honestly...
	Really, you know, they always say that your views are tested in the crucible debate.
	Rollo always says that.
	And I agree with him on that.
	Like, you need to be able to have different viewpoints to talk to people from other viewpoints.
	You might learn something.
	I learned a lot listening to him.
	So, I didn't realize, like, in the UK, what's going on.
	Yeah, it's crazy over there, bro.
	Yeah.
	Pre-species no more.
	Yeah.
	Well, all right.
	This is a fire interview.
	Yeah, Tommy.
	It was great talking with you, man.
	We'll set up another talk so we have a little bit more time.
	We got some girls here.
	We're going to do this.
	And try and coincide the timing when you're going to see Tate, man, because I want to get a date off him.
	That'll be dope.
	All right, man.

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