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June 21, 2023 - Fresh & Fit

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David Rubin On Trump v DeSantis, Tate Charges, Switching From Lib To Right & MORE!

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	I can't predict and I will never touch the star.
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	Alright, we're back.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Fresh Fit Podcast, man.
	L, Chris, and Elmo on that one.
	So what ended up happening, guys, is we had to reset the mixer.
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	So we got Dave Rubin in the house, man.
	I'm really excited for this one.
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	Where are all the OnlyFans chicks?
	Because my guys said you're going to show up, there's going to be girls under the table, girls coming out of the ceiling.
	Where is everybody?
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	Freaks come out at night.
	Literally.
	Yo!
	We are happy to have you, Dave.
	We know who you are.
	The audience might not know who you are, though.
	Can you introduce yourself to the people?
	Who the hell am I? Well, put me on the map.
	Well, I just told you I'm going to be 47 next week.
	Born in Brooklyn when it was OG Brooklyn, before it was Hipster Brooklyn, before Barbecue Brooklyn for 30 bucks.
	And what really put me on the map was I was a normal, sane liberal.
	That's what I was.
	And I was talking about politics online, and I kind of woke up to a lot of the woke stuff kind of early.
	I was with the Young Turks, had my kind of awakening.
	I've shifted politically, and I was just really more than anything, like, I was just honest about that evolution.
	Started talking to people I used to, you know, think were bad guys and scary people, and it's just been an adventure.
	And then the last couple of years, I moved from Crazy Cali to the free state of Florida, the best city in the world in Miami.
	Smartest choice I ever made.
	I moved two companies, my family.
	I love this freaking place like you wouldn't believe, probably like you guys do.
	And I just tell people what I think.
	It really is that simple, and I guess we're in a weird time where people are afraid to do that.
	When did you move over from California?
	December 17th, 2021.
	Oh, wow.
	I mean, as that plane was landing, I have a video on Twitter, people can find it, I felt something lift off my chest.
	Like, when we landed, when that plane was hitting the ground, I felt like two years of just evil bullshit that Callie had put us through with COVID. I just felt it escape, and every day here since has been...
	What was it like being there versus being here now?
	Because I'm a big critic on California.
	I tell people all the time, California sucks.
	I hate it.
	As a guy that owns real estate, I would never invest there.
	Someone that used to be a Californian, right?
	And you're from New York originally too, another terrible state.
	What are your thoughts in general?
	What are your warnings for people?
	So I was born in New York in 76, moved to Cali in 2013.
	So I lived in Brooklyn, Long Island, and New York City, Manhattan most of my life.
	When did you get out of New York City?
	New York City was awesome.
	I lived in Seinfeld Country, Upper West Side.
	I was doing stand-up there, so I was busy every night, two, three shows a night, six nights a week.
	I opened up a couple comedy clubs with a bunch of comedians where we would split all the profits amongst ourselves and we could do a ton of time.
	It was like we were all kind of broke and busted, but it was just like, you look back and you're like, man, how did I even do that?
	I mean, six nights a week, no matter rain, nor sleep, nor snow, standing out barking, you know, when you're the guys in Times Square that are handing out the tickets together.
	One night I was in Times Square.
	There was a massive freaking blizzard.
	And I'm standing out there just trying to give out tickets.
	There's nobody out on the street.
	But we're just trying to get two people to show up so we could get on stage.
	And my roommate calls me.
	And he goes, Dave, I'm watching WPIX Channel 11 News right now.
	They're doing a thing about how nobody should be outside.
	And I see you behind the guy doing the broadcast.
	Damn.
	Because they didn't want anyone outside because it was freezing cold and blah, blah, blah.
	But New York, I love that.
	And then I moved to L.A. in 2013 to do the show with the Young Turks.
	LA was great.
	First five, six years of LA was absolutely great.
	It's why everybody loves LA. It's 80 every day.
	Everybody's beautiful.
	It's just awesome.
	And then lockdowns, whatever that was, March of 2020, the whole place just went to hell in a handbasket in one day.
	It just became an absolute effing nightmare overnight.
	Just the misery, the depression, the The masks, people yelling at each other.
	I'd be walking my dog.
	People wouldn't want their dogs to say hi anymore.
	It was just endless misery.
	I was running illegal parties out of my house.
	I'm not kidding.
	Because I was just like, and I didn't get vaxxed.
	I'm still not vaxxed now, and I would never get vaxxed.
	Just trying to live a normal life there became completely impossible.
	And then I just got the hell out of it.
	I campaigned with Larry Elder for the recall to get rid of Newsom.
	I got audited by the state three days after the recall failed.
	That was the day I put my house for sale.
	Wow.
	And they're finding people, if I'm not mistaken, like a thousand dollars just for walking on the beach.
	If you were walking on the beach.
	It was nuts.
	I had to, one of my last nights there.
	So we had already, I'd already bought my house here.
	I was planning to leave two or three days before I actually left.
	You know, you had to have a passport, a vaccine passport to go to a restaurant.
	Have you guys ever been to Boa?
	Boa Steakhouse on Sunset in LA? No.
	I'm not big.
	We like cooking and barbecuing and stuff, so I don't go out that often.
	But this was my one spot in LA. I loved this spot.
	It was just the right amount of celebrity, but not too crazy.
	It was just right.
	We go there, so one of my guys made me a fake vaccine passport just so I could say goodbye to the one restaurant that I loved.
	Yeah.
	In LA. So we go in and then I'm being recognized left and right there, which happens.
	And I start realizing people are looking at me, but I was very publicly not vaxxed on my show.
	But now I'm in a restaurant because I have a fake vaccine card.
	And I'm starting to think my own fans who are looking at me and coming up and saying, I all think I'm a bullshit artist and a liar.
	So I started going up to people and saying, just FYI, this thing was forged.
	My guy, Michael, forged it for me, blah, blah.
	And I was like, man, if there was any reason to leave this dystopian shithole, that was it.
	And that was basically my last night there.
	We had a conversation with Zuby about this, that Texas and Florida are some of the last states that are left that are still somewhat free.
	This is it, man.
	If you're in Miami right now, we're in Miami.
	People can see behind us.
	We live in the coolest city, in the freest state, literally in the world.
	We live in the freest place in the world.
	And that's why it's so crazy every day, wake up and whether it's now Trump freaking attacking Florida because of DeSantis or mainstream media going off, oh, you can't be black in Florida, you can't be gay in Florida.
	And it's all such epic bullshit.
	If you want to live a great life, pay low taxes, live with good, happy people, do what you want.
	This is the place to do it.
	We got over a million people here in three years.
	1,200 people a day.
	1,200 people a day.
	Miami is excluded.
	Florida, man.
	You wake up.
	You do what you want.
	You go to the beach.
	You have a party with your friends.
	Good food.
	Good people.
	I mean, you can't really miss in Florida, man.
	Yeah.
	We got some mosquitoes.
	I guess that's about it.
	Some alligators.
	People always go, Dave, you never say anything bad about DeSantis or Florida.
	I'm like, well, we got some mosquitoes.
	There you go.
	Iguana fell out of my tree in the backyard the other day.
	My dog.
	An Iguana?
	Yeah, huge ass Iguana.
	One of these guys.
	Literally, when they're stretched out, they can get like four or five feet.
	Fell out of a tree.
	My dog, he's part boxer, part pit, so pretty big, strong dog, grabs it in his mouth, blood flying all over the place.
	I rip them apart.
	I got in the middle of the mess, rip them apart, blood all over.
	Iguana jumps into the pool.
	He hangs out there, saltwater pool, hangs out for about an hour, and then he left, and he was fine.
	That's what's happening in Florida.
	So he recovered quick.
	Yeah, he was saltwater.
	Dinosaur, bro.
	I guess so, man.
	That wound came, but I guess it didn't matter.
	Okay, so you grew up in New York City.
	Take us through your childhood, your upbringing.
	Born in Brooklyn in 76.
	Lived there for about four years.
	I'm the oldest of three.
	My parents moved out to Long Island.
	First sort of middle class people in my family, which was...
	Brooklyn in the 80s was terrible, bro.
	80s and 90s.
	Right.
	So they got out in time, moved to the burbs.
	My dad worked the same job in the Garmin Center for 40 some odd years, hour each day on the Long Island Railroad, which I calculated for my book.
	He spent basically three years of his life Going to work.
	Just the commute to work.
	I mean, think how different that is than the world now, right?
	Like, you guys both live in this building, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, like, think how crazy that is.
	Yeah.
	But lived, like, I went to decent schools, like, no crime, like, it was all good.
	Grew up, like, I had a great childhood.
	New York City in the 70s was very bad.
	They called it Fear City, man.
	Yeah.
	Well, I wasn't in New York City until I was an adult, so I moved into New York City.
	I moved into New York City right before 9-11, so I was in New York City for 9-11.
	What was that like?
	I mean...
	It was, I remember I woke up that morning and actually just got laid off a job.
	My last office job that I ever had in my life and will ever have in my life.
	I just got laid off.
	So I wasn't up at like 8am.
	I was just sleeping during the day and I was doing stand up at night.
	And I got a call from my dad and he worked in Midtown and he could see from his office.
	He could see the tower.
	Yeah.
	So the first one had hit.
	He called me to say the first one hit.
	And then I think we were, you know, now it starts becoming a blur.
	I think we were on the phone when the second one hit.
	Oh, wow.
	And that's when everyone realized, holy shit, this isn't just an accident.
	Like, now we're actually under attack.
	My main memory from the whole thing was, I remember right after that, I walked out.
	I was on 90th and 1st at the time, Upper East Side.
	So, you know, tower is downtown.
	So I'm polar opposite part of the city.
	Mm-hmm.
	Within about an hour, you could not only smell the soot and just...
	Oh, wow.
	You were able to smell it from over there.
	And for weeks after.
	Literally for weeks after in New York City.
	But I remember walking down First Avenue and then suddenly over the next couple hours, We're good to go.
	I was 11 at the time.
	I'm from Connecticut, so I remember watching it on the news, and they let us out of school early.
	Everyone was like, oh yeah, woo!
	We're getting out in the afternoon and shit, but we didn't know what was going on.
	So I remember about three weeks later, all that anyone did in New York City for weeks was just watch CNN, basically.
	That was pretty much it.
	Barely anyone was going to work.
	Nothing was happening.
	We didn't know...
	A week after, we thought we were just endlessly under attack, all that stuff.
	Then about three weeks later, I was like, I gotta get out of the house.
	So I was like, I'm gonna go take my basketball.
	I'm just gonna see if anyone's playing ball at Gracie Mansion.
	That's the mayor's mansion over there.
	There was some courts over there.
	I started playing pickup with a couple guys, and you could still smell it, literally.
	It was in your lungs as you were running around.
	And at one point, two guys just like, some guy fouled some guy really hard.
	And they were about to hit each other.
	I kid you, I am not making this up.
	They were about to hit each other.
	You saw them clenching fists?
	Yeah.
	And then they both started crying at the exact same time.
	What?
	It was nuts.
	Like, that's how out of whack the whole city was.
	And emotions and everything else.
	Yeah.
	Hey, you follow me!
	Let's fight!
	And then it's like, oh, let's just start crying.
	Yeah.
	It was like, the whole thing was just insane.
	It's like, did that even happen?
	Wow.
	Damn.
	You know, I always like to ask people, because like...
	There was, at that time, right, after 9-11, like, people that lived in the city, like, oh, it's a very unique situation compared to everyone else watching it, but people living in the city.
	So I always like to ask, like, what was it like for you living in the city at that time?
	Because, you know, you got to remember, people were like, oh, I don't know what the fuck is going on.
	There wasn't that much information like we have now, as far as 9-11 goes.
	Yeah, at all.
	We didn't have Twitter, thank God.
	Yeah, social media wasn't a thing.
	Can you imagine the amount of crazy, like, think all the crazy rumors that were happening anyway, but now imagine all of the shit that we have now had that happen.
	The world was a different place pre-social media, man.
	I mean, and you were an adult.
	Like, what was the life for you as an adult?
	I was a kid, so...
	It's funny, because most of the guys that work for me Yeah.
	They're in their mid-20s into early 30s.
	They grew up on iPads.
	Well, I always say to them, it's like, you guys have some recollection of the world that we used to know.
	You know, pre-internet, when just people went out.
	I used to just, growing up, got on my bike, all my buddies would just get on our bike.
	It was like Goonies.
	We'd just have a freaking adventure.
	For six hours, our parents had no idea where we were, but we always showed up for dinner, and that was it.
	Like, it was really good.
	You know, I was playing a lot of video games and playing basketball and all that stuff.
	But I wasn't just staring at this fucking thing all day.
	And even now, I try not to tweet on the weekends.
	And I do every August.
	I've done it for, I think, seven years.
	I do August off the grid.
	No phone, no TV, no news.
	For a month straight.
	For one month straight.
	And then I come back after Memorial Day.
	So, you know, 4th or 5th of September.
	And I have somebody catch me up on everything I missed.
	So I've had Larry Elder do it, and Shapiro, and Glenn Beck, a couple other guys.
	But one month, nothing.
	And I think that's one of the things that kept me sane throughout this.
	Because I know a lot of people, politics makes everyone...
	Yeah.
	Completely insane.
	And social media, too.
	So I think one of the things that's kind of kept me sane throughout this is just it gives you fresh eyes to just be like, yeah, you know, some shit happened.
	I missed the Mar-a-Lago raid last year.
	Oh, yeah.
	All right.
	I come back and, okay, there was a Mar-a-Lago raid.
	Life goes on.
	What are you going to do?
	Speaking of which, I mean, since we're going to talk about that What are your thoughts on the whole Trump situation in general?
	Whether, you know, the FBI doing an unprecedented search warrant on a former president's house and then, you know, obviously he just got indicted two weeks ago for, you know, violations of the Espionage Act, right, for having these documents.
	What are your thoughts on the whole situation?
	I mean, the basics of the indictment are they're all complete bullshit in that it is only because it is him.
	That's not to say he hasn't done some stupid things.
	Like this last indictment that they just had in Miami here, which, by the way, everyone kept being like, Oh, it's in Florida.
	It must have something to do with DeSantis.
	It's a federal case.
	It has nothing to do...
	There's federal courthouses in every state.
	It's actually the Washington, D.C. FBI field office that's running the case, too.
	That's running the case out of Miami.
	Right.
	So it's not...
	Right.
	It has nothing to do with Florida.
	Yeah.
	Look, did he probably do some stupid things?
	It sounds like he mixed documents with personal things.
	That's what he told Bret Baier the other day.
	Like, what are you doing, man?
	Like, you have your baseball glove with the classified documents.
	It sounds like he told a guy from his pack.
	He showed him a map and said, this is classified.
	Don't tell anyone.
	Like, he even said it.
	Don't tell anyone.
	I've shown it to you.
	All that being said, Mike Pence, who is vice president, obviously he has classified documents at home that were not secured.
	Joe Biden has them in the garage with the Corvette.
	So unless they're going to take everybody out, and I'm sort of of the opinion at this point, take all of these guys out.
	We really are getting to the point where we need a full-on reset.
	It's clearly pointed at Trump.
	But two things can be true at the same time.
	And the truth is, Trump is sloppy, and he says stupid things.
	Even to do this interview the other day, do you guys see any of the clips of that thing?
	I didn't see that particular interview.
	It's just like, he's just talking and talking and talking.
	And I can't imagine how his lawyers are not just ripping their hair out.
	Like, dude, why?
	What are you doing?
	I've heard he's one of the hardest people to deal with from a lawyer perspective.
	But basically, I think the thing that people are most pissed about, which I do agree on, is it's the asymmetry of everything.
	If you're a Republican, they're going to go after you.
	They will find anything on you.
	We will run four years of Russian...
	We're going to say that it's a fake election.
	When you win it, the second you lose it, now we can't talk about that.
	All of the usual bullshit.
	That's what people are sick about more than anything else.
	Whether he screwed up some classified documents or not.
	Once we start jailing ex-presidents, we're banana republic level.
	Because then no one that's a president will ever want to leave.
	If you know, you know what I mean?
	That's what happens in other countries that are banana republics.
	Like, you know, if you go out, you're done.
	They're going to either kill you or jail you.
	You just never leave.
	That's what happened to Mubarak.
	That's what happened to Gaddafi.
	I mean, a gajillion leaders over time.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, because I went through the actual...
	Well, I went through the search warrant for one.
	It's redacted to hell.
	You can't even see what the hell the probable cause came from, which, you know, I predict that, obviously, informants and shit like that.
	The thing that scares me is that the indictment, when you read through it, they pretty much put all the things that he would try to defend against.
	Because, like, in it, like, there's a recorded conversation where he says, oh, yeah, I could have declassified this as president.
	I probably shouldn't be showing you this, blah, blah, blah.
	So, like, all the defenses that he had about...
	Oh, yeah, I could declassify because I'm president.
	He's literally hurting himself by saying that, and they have it recorded.
	And the other thing that really worries me is that his lawyer, right, who was supposed to, like, go through the documents and audit it and then give it back to the FBI, etc., him and his assistant basically moved boxes...
	When they shouldn't have, and then the lawyers certified, oh, we gave the FBI everything, but they didn't give the FBI everything because Natsa, his co-conspirator, was moving shit around, and they falsely certified the stuff to the FBI. So now the FBI gots that lawyer by the balls like, hey, you lied.
	We got you on here lying, certifying these documents.
	You gave all these documents when you didn't.
	And then now the FBI has that guy cooperating against Trump because that's how they have him.
	What they have is memorialized notes, which is like a big issue because it's like, how the hell do you guys have a lawyer's notes with privilege?
	And it's like the only way they would have it is because he's cooperating.
	So like there's a bunch of people that are probably going to that are going to testify against Trump in this thing if he decides to go to trial.
	That's what worries me.
	That's the fucked up part, too, because, as I said, two things can be true at the same time.
	So you might be looking at this going, all right, well, why haven't they gone after Mike Pence?
	Why haven't they gone after Joe Biden?
	Look what just happened with Hunter the last couple of days.
	Like, they're getting him.
	He's getting the misdemeanor yesterday.
	Misdemeanor, but it has nothing to do with how he had an $80,000 a month job at the Ukrainian energy company while being a crackhead.
	Who was completely unqualified to do anything.
	People see all of that stuff, and then they're just like, none of this makes any sense.
	But at the same time, as you just laid out, Trump did do some stupid things here, and nobody's above the law.
	I'm a Trump supporter.
	It hurts me to say this shit.
	Look, I voted for Trump.
	I've interviewed Trump.
	I'm friends with the kids.
	This is a good family.
	I've been very frustrated with him, the way he's going after DeSantis and lying about Florida and all that stuff.
	But I don't want something unjust to happen to the guy.
	I don't want him to be treated the way we would treat anybody else.
	You made a good point, though.
	You said earlier, because he's Trump, they're going after him specifically.
	And I think, for the most part, this whole election process itself, if you're someone that's going to stand out against the establishment, you're going to be targeted.
	So that's crazy.
	Yeah, well, that's how it is.
	I mean, there is a machine.
	I always say on the show, it's like, we're in the Matrix right now.
	And you've got to pick which side you want to be on.
	And most people are NPCs.
	They're non-playable characters.
	Most people don't want to see it, right?
	Facts!
	Right?
	Like, that is it.
	That's what most people are.
	And by the way, I don't blame them.
	You know, there's that great scene in The Matrix with Cypher where he's basically, he wants out.
	You remember that scene?
	And they're at the restaurant and he's eating the steak.
	He's seen reality, right?
	He took the red pill.
	He saw reality.
	But once you see reality, why is ignorance bliss?
	It's pain in the ass when you see reality.
	The system's fucked up.
	There's evil shit out there.
	All that.
	And what he basically just wants to go back to sleep, he's like, I just want to eat my steak and enjoy my life.
	And I think a lot of people are like that.
	And by the way, in a normal functioning society, you wouldn't have to care about politics that much.
	I think that was my main realization when I kind of woke up from a lot of the lefty bullshit.
	It was like, you just want a government that is small enough to make sure that when you walk outside, you don't get shot, in essence.
	And, you know, protects the borders and a couple basic things.
	That's it.
	But everyone seems to want the government to be their father.
	They want the government to run their life and tell them when they can leave their house and what they have to wear on their face and when they can be injected with things and all that shit.
	And I think a lot of people are waking up to it, but I understand why a huge amount of people just...
	They can't wake up to it because it's painful and it's harder.
	But can you admit, though, when you put that, I guess, trust and responsibility into the government's hands, they can abuse it and then control you?
	Yeah, that's the problem.
	And then we all lose because then it's what they say or the highway.
	Well, that's, again, why you want...
	You want a government that just does some basic stuff.
	Basic stuff.
	doesn't rejigger the entire economy, doesn't create wars all over the world, doesn't do all of these things, doesn't decide when you can go to work and when you have to stay home.
	You want it to do those basic things.
	And then the trade-off on that is then it's up to you.
	And if your life is going to suck, it'll probably have more to do with you.
	And if your life's going to be good, it's because you're going to bust your ass.
	The government didn't give you guys anything in here, right?
	Like you built this thing.
	It's, it's freaking awesome.
	But, The fact when I walked in here and I saw you guys are on Locals, I think about it.
	I built a tech company because I had a problem in my life.
	I was like, I want to free myself and build a subscription model for myself.
	We end up merging with Rumble.
	The whole thing's blown up.
	It's awesome.
	And then I see guys like you and it's like, wait a minute.
	I built it for myself because I was like, I want to do something.
	Yeah.
	No, it's freaking awesome.
	Like, that's seriously awesome.
	Yeah.
	Like, that's proof of everything that I was working for all these years and the ideas that I was talking about.
	I put them into play.
	I didn't just wait for the government to solve my subscription problem on YouTube.
	I was like, let me go out and do it.
	That's the beauty of being human, having a mind and going out and being in a free country, in a free state where you can go and do things.
	How important is free speech, in your opinion, in today's day and age?
	Oh, it's everything.
	It's everything.
	I mean, if you can't say what you think, and it doesn't mean that there won't be consequences for it, you know what I mean?
	I'm sure I could figure out a way to seriously piss you off right now, and I'm sure you could figure out a way to seriously piss me off, and someone could get punched.
	That's just how it works.
	But the ability to...
	Share your opinions.
	Share your thoughts.
	That is what Western society is built upon.
	The idea that we're going to say these ideas are better than these ideas.
	One of the big things with the left right now is nothing's better than anything else.
	Everything's equal, no matter how wacky or crazy.
	As my friend Douglas Murray says, there are all these issues that we put to bed.
	We know boys aren't girls, right?
	We know racism isn't good.
	We know these things.
	But suddenly we're just unearthing all of the things that we put to bed a long time ago.
	I say it on my show all the time.
	I'm like, man, if we had a DeLorean 1.21 gigawatts, a little plutonium from Libya, and we could just go back to 1995.
	Mm-hmm.
	I think we'd be golden.
	Just go back to 1995.
	Culturally, everything made sense.
	No one thought racism was cool.
	Nobody hated the gays.
	It was all fine.
	It doesn't mean there aren't little things on the margins that you can always do a little bit better.
	But free speech is the key.
	I mean, there's a reason it's the First Amendment.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And I mean, we've gotten...
	And I kind of want to get your...
	Because you used to be, you know, one of the Wokies and everything else like that.
	And you used to be on that side of the internet.
	See, you can't offend me.
	Yeah, see...
	Well, first I wanna see what made you have that mindset in the beginning, right?
	And then what made you kinda say, you know what, this is like transition out of it.
	Yeah, well, I talk about it in my book, you know, a certain set of people, if you grow up in America, Especially in the last 50 years.
	If you're under 50 and you grow up in America, you basically grow up as a liberal.
	That's just sort of how the whole culture operates.
	That's how everything that's cool is sort of lefty, liberal.
	You know, there's basic, like, factory-setting things.
	Democrats are nice.
	Republicans are mean.
	Democrats care about poor people.
	Republicans care about war.
	You know, like, all that kind of stuff.
	That's just the factory-setting of what we all grow up in.
	I grew up in a liberal family, but the word liberal...
	family of the 1980s or JFK when he was president.
	He was a liberal Democrat, but he wanted lower taxes.
	He was against war.
	He actually sounds a lot more like RFK Jr. now, his nephew.
	But that has very little to do with the Democrat Party.
	The Democrats are trying to destroy the guy who's the actual liberal because the progressives who are authoritarians are not liberals at all.
	Liberal basically, in essence, is kind of like libertarian.
	It It basically means live and let live, but you believe that there's some sane role for government.
	So I grew up in a family where we would argue every holiday that I was ever at, and I'm the oldest of my generation, so I was always fighting to get to the adult table.
	And every holiday party, whatever, everybody was debating everything.
	Foreign policy, abortion, who should be president, blah, blah.
	And then dessert would be served.
	My mom would come out with dessert, and everybody would wrap it up, and then they'd do it again the next day.
	But nobody was walking out of the house, throwing shit, fighting.
	Like it just that that is the essence of liberalism.
	You're going to fight it out.
	You're going to argue it out.
	And then we're going to agree to disagree.
	And life goes on.
	Yeah, that is very different than what the progressive thing and the woke thing has become.
	And I think there's a reason that it grew out of liberalism, because the liberals, if you look at your sort of hierarchy of needs, the liberals put tolerance at the highest point.
	And tolerance cannot be at the height of your hierarchy, meaning you can't just be like, I'm for everything all the time as your most important sort of merit.
	And I think the progressives saw that and they use that kind of soft underbelly of liberalism to get in and destroy all of the goodness of liberalism, which is why there are very few sane Democrats.
	I would put RFK as a sane Democrat, but he's about to be destroyed by the Democrats.
	Tulsi Gabbard, a sane Democrat who's no longer a Democrat.
	Yeah.
	Uh, Someone like me, a sane Democrat who's no longer a Democrat.
	So my wake up, there were a bunch of things.
	You know, I was with the Young Turks and I got to see sort of the underbelly of the hysteria and the craziness and just how so little of it was thoughtful.
	It was just angry and everyone, you know, if everyone you disagree with is a racist and a bigot and a homophobe, you might need a mirror.
	You know what I mean?
	Like something might be wrong with your thinking at that point.
	And there was a lot of that sort of thing.
	And then I had a very famous moment.
	This is around 2000...
	15 or so, maybe 2016.
	I had a very famous moment with Larry Elder, a conservative radio host who happens to be black.
	And I always say that because that's the way he describes himself.
	And we got into it about systemic racism.
	And he just beat me senseless with that.
	Police violence.
	I remember that.
	Yeah, that thing.
	You know, it's funny because that thing got clipped across YouTube.
	It's been seen hundreds of millions of times.
	Oh, we know that.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's always black conservative destroys white libcard.
	Yeah, of course.
	And it's like, it's not that funny.
	They love that shit.
	White libcard, you know?
	Yeah.
	Um, but it was, I always describe it as it was my best career moment and worst at the same time, because it was my worst for obvious reasons.
	I came to the fight, not ready.
	Right.
	So he beat me for sure.
	It was my best because we didn't live stream that we were airing it the next day.
	And I went into the control room after we were at a network, we had a whole Oh, and you still put it out.
	So you had the control to not put it out.
	So that's why I think it was my best moment because I walked into the control room.
	We had like, I don't know, six producers or something, director, you know, APs, whatever.
	And everyone was like, Dave, don't worry, we're going to cut that.
	We're going to cut that.
	And you know, sometimes in your life when you just, you just do the right thing without thinking about it.
	I did not.
	I was just like, no, if I'm an interviewer, that thing has to stand.
	Damn.
	And the next day, I started watching, and it's going bananas, right?
	Because that thing just caught fire.
	And at first, I was like, oh man, did I just ruin my career?
	Is it over?
	That was horrible.
	I was not prepared.
	And then I saw a lot of the comments, and people were like, you know, he listened.
	He listened.
	It seems like he'll continue that conversation.
	And not only did I continue that conversation, but flash forward five years, I'm literally campaigning with Lowry.
	Yeah.
	Opening for him as he was campaigning during the recall to get rid of Gavin Newsom.
	And he is one of my best friends.
	Yeah.
	So it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful story that if you follow the truth, if you follow the truth, like good things will come of that.
	That's why I'm telling you, like to see that, to see that local sign here with you guys, it's awesome because it's like I did something that I thought was the right thing.
	And then other people were like, oh, that thing, that thing's kind of cool.
	That's obviously what you guys are doing too.
	And it's, it's what, A lot of respect for pointing that out because a lot of people would have cut that out to make themselves look good or save face.
	And the fact that you kept that in there and you kept it in its full context and it made you look bad, but that's a lot of respect because especially in today's day and age with people clipping shit out of context, whatever.
	Well, I'm sure it's been clipped out of context a million times anyway.
	But you put the full interview on, which is great.
	Full interview, we did not.
	I just knew it because otherwise, as an interviewer, what's the point?
	What's the point as an interviewer?
	If we weren't live streaming this and we...
	You know, you guys were going to air this an hour later.
	And then we really had a moment in here on something important, right?
	Like something about sexuality or trans stuff or race, like something really important that we knew is important.
	And then you guys cut it out because it maybe didn't make you look so good.
	It's like, then what would really be the point of you doing this?
	You can make money.
	You can do all the stuff.
	This is awesome.
	It's an awesome life for you guys, obviously.
	But then what really is the point?
	For some reason, it just hit me in that moment.
	This is not a choice.
	It just came out.
	I wish the BBC had that same process.
	Oh, man.
	BBC, CNN, Washington Post, New York Times.
	That is long gone.
	So was that At that point, and I think it's really important to bring people on to have differing views, right?
	Like, me and you might not agree on everything.
	I might not agree with Destiny or whatever.
	Why'd you bring him on?
	Why'd you bring Dave Rubin on here?
	Blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And it's like, I think it's important to bring people on that might not necessarily agree with everything that you agree with.
	And I agree with a lot of things you say.
	I'd love to get into some stuff we don't agree.
	That's fine, too.
	Absolutely.
	I was going to ask you this, though.
	So, was that the turning moment for you?
	There were a few things that were starting to crack already.
	I had left the Young Turks already.
	I was really frustrated over there.
	Which that mostly was...
	I just couldn't deal with the endless screaming.
	And it was like, every Republican's a racist and everyone's a homophobe.
	And I was just like...
	The math doesn't add up.
	You guys aren't so brilliant and enlightened and everyone else is like the worst of the worst.
	There were other behind the scenes nonsensical things.
	But one day I was just like, I'm leaving and that's it.
	And I left and that was that.
	So there were some things breaking.
	There was...
	I mean, I could give you a couple others, but in essence, that was the one that just crystallized it for me.
	And then really what happened after that, and then that's really when my career started taking off.
	I was just like, you know what?
	I talked to this Larry Elder guy.
	I thought he was kind of scary.
	Turned out to be a good guy.
	We had dinner, I think, the week later.
	And I was like, oh, we're friends now, right?
	And then obviously the rest of those years go by.
	But then I was like, you know what?
	I'll talk to that Ben Shapiro guy.
	I'll talk to that Dennis Prager guy, Glenn Beck.
	And what I found was, even though I disagreed with them, I disagreed with them on death penalty.
	I disagreed with them.
	I still disagree with them on abortion.
	I was going to ask you about the death penalty.
	Abortion and some other things.
	Happy to discuss all that.
	What I realized was, conservatives generally, Are much more willing to agree to disagree.
	To realize that they don't have ownership of your life.
	That they're allowed to think the way they think.
	And you're allowed to think the way you think.
	And really, more than anything else, that they've thought through why they think things.
	Liberals, and again, using the word liberal is screwy.
	Progressives, whatever you want to call it.
	They generally just feel something very important.
	They feel it.
	And because they feel it, you better believe it.
	And that's really almost...
	I would say the number one thing that's happening in our society right now that's really out of whack.
	It's scary.
	The other thing, too, I'll say about liberals.
	What I've noticed is like someone that's like like was a liberal 10 years ago.
	Nowadays is considered like a conservative.
	Well, that's it.
	It's always shifting.
	It's always shifting.
	You saw that map that Elon Musk put up.
	Did you see that a couple of months ago?
	He put up a meme.
	Maybe your guys can find it about how he stayed the same.
	But the whole Overton window shift.
	So he looks like he's on the right right now.
	But again, that's what I'm saying.
	It's like most sane people actually are...
	Chris, if you can find that, see if you can find it.
	You can find it.
	It's an Elon Musk meme about how the Overton window shifted.
	It's a very simple drawing.
	But most people in America are liberal in the extent that they just want to live their life and let it be.
	Again, what happened is the modern liberals have nothing to do with that.
	So they hijacked it.
	That's why, show me a Democrat who's liberal.
	You can't.
	I can show you dead Democrats who are liberal like JFK and Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Ed Koch, who was the mayor of New York way back when.
	Those guys were true liberals.
	Yeah.
	The progressives, they want control basically of everything.
	They want control of the economy.
	They want control of what your kid learns in school.
	They want control of how much you earn.
	All of sort of every little bit of the minutia of your life.
	And again, that is just not liberal.
	Yeah.
	And I always use, and I don't want to see this thing with Elon Musk, but I always like to use Tim Pool as an example, right?
	Like 10 years ago, they looked at him as like a raging liberal when he was doing the Occupy Wall Street thing.
	Yeah, he was a lefty Occupy guy.
	Right now, it's like, he's a raging conservative.
	He's alt-right.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's like, and then it goes to show, is it that they're necessary, have their views changed that much, or is it that the left is just becoming more and more rounded?
	No, well, I love that you brought up Poole, because first off, Poole, just on a personal note, Poole and I came up sort of together through all this stuff.
	Is this what it was?
	Yeah, that's it.
	That's it.
	This is it right here.
	And Ben Shapiro, me and him disagree on some things, so he doesn't like how I deal with women, but that's totally cool.
	We can have a conversation on that as well.
	You know, his wife's a doctor.
	Yeah, he'd make sure to let everybody know that.
	But I do agree with him on a lot of things.
	But sorry, continue.
	No, no.
	Well, you could see it right here.
	So Elon tweeted this exact thing.
	So Ben, I don't know if he saw it first or if this is from after or whatever.
	But you can see, in essence, 2018, my fellow liberal me.
	And then you can see the way the shift is going.
	The fellow liberal, the progressive now, he went bananas left.
	Boys or girls, everyone's racist, blah, blah, blah.
	The me guy, he stayed as close to the center as possible.
	Then, in the third one, down there in 2021, now the liberal is now known as a woke progressive, and everyone else is a bigot, and the me guy has now, in essence, been shifted right, and the conservatives going, LOL, you see, I wasn't so bad after all.
	This is a perfect illustration, honestly, of what it is, because I've always said it, like, a lot of people haven't changed their views, just that the left becomes more and more and more radical.
	Yeah, well, they have no sort of off-ramp.
	You know, at every moment, We're good to go.
	That was a huge turning point for the U.S. when he got elected.
	I didn't think he was going to win even.
	In 2016, I was like, no way.
	I was on Rogan, I think, the day before the election, and I fully said I was like 50-50 because I just felt everything was out of whack.
	The polls made no sense.
	There was clearly, if you were paying attention on Twitter, there was something going on with Trump.
	You thought it was going to be Yeah, I really did.
	And I was on air with the Daily Wire guys that night, and I was not surprised.
	But you know Andrew Klavan, who does some stuff with Shapiro over at the Daily Wire?
	Great guy, author, playwright.
	He said something that I really loved that night.
	And it's a really beautiful thing, he said, because everyone was shocked.
	Even for the people that thought it might happen, everybody was shocked.
	And Klavan said, live on the show, he goes, you know, this is the beauty of America.
	The thing that nobody thought could happen just happened.
	He goes, you know how many people live in countries where the thing that can't happen never happens?
	So you better appreciate, whether you like it or not, that it is still in the mix that some crazy things can happen here.
	And maybe they can't anymore because things have gotten, I would say, precipitously worse in the last six years.
	It just shows that people wanted to change, and it was a silent majority that made that happen.
	And for the most part, I do believe, what's the better, I want to say two evils, him or his opponent.
	Oh yeah, no, Hillary, I did not know what to do.
	Get this, you'll love this.
	I lived in West Hollywood at the time.
	Okay, we'll kill Twitch, Facebook, and Twitter.
	We're gonna be on YouTube and Rumble, guys.
	So come on over to YouTube or Rumble, freshfit.rumble.com.
	Sorry, rumble.com slash freshfit.
	Or you can catch us on YouTube.
	Sorry.
	This is beautiful.
	Look at the internet.
	Just chugging along.
	It's great, man.
	It's really incredible.
	Okay, come on over, guys.
	It's all on the computer.
	No, so I was like, I could not vote for Hillary.
	I thought she was so corrupt and evil, but I wasn't there yet on Trump.
	I was just like...
	I don't know.
	This guy is nuts.
	What the hell is going on here?
	I'm online in West Hollywood, the gayest place on earth.
	West Hollywood.
	That's where I lived at the time.
	And I'm standing online behind RuPaul.
	But RuPaul dressed as a man, not drag queen RuPaul.
	And I was like, I will remember this moment for the rest of my life because I'm about to vote.
	I don't know if I'm voting for Trump or Hillary standing behind RuPaul.
	I ended up voting for Gary Johnson, who is a libertarian.
	He sucked.
	He smoked weed.
	I was like, I don't vote for you.
	Smoke weed.
	Something like that.
	Yeah.
	But then I voted for Trump the second time and I went to rallies in LA in Beverly Hills.
	They were freaking awesome.
	It was incredible energy.
	It was good people.
	They were not racist or bigoted or they were gays for Trump and Latinos for Trump and blacks for Trump.
	And unfortunately, it's a little different right now.
	Yeah.
	So one of the things I was gonna ask you about was the death penalty.
	That's one thing I disagree with.
	So why are you against the death penalty in particular?
	So I would say this is one where I've shifted a little bit where I'm not as against it as I used to be.
	As a general rule, because I like less government and because the government is so corrupt, And we know they accidentally, one way or another, they put innocent people to death and everything else.
	It's like, why, if you're against the government, if you're for small government, would you be for the government having the ultimate punishment over people?
	I get all of the pro-life arguments, the pro-death penalty arguments.
	I've debated this many times with Dennis Prager and a lot of really bright people.
	It's not one of my pet issues.
	Well, what's your argument for it?
	No, I think, you know, certain crimes, you know, should just be punishable by death, you know, whether it's, you know, killing somebody, you know, certain crimes, of course.
	But, you know, what do you think about the idea of giving the power, giving the ultimate power to the state to decide that stuff?
	I'm just leery as sort of a philosophic concept.
	I'm always just leery of that.
	Not that life in jail is so great.
	And I can see where you're going with that.
	Like, it's a slippery slope because now you're giving the government this level of power.
	We know people that are, you know, unjustly prisoned, right?
	Like, what if you put someone to death?
	Like, I get it.
	Like, if you put one person to death unjustly, it's like, fuck, the whole system's fucked up.
	Like, putting one person to death, you know, they always say.
	Which we've done.
	I mean, it's known that we've done.
	It's not a debate.
	I mean, that's the whole reason why it's beyond a reasonable doubt, because it's better to let someone that's guilty walk free than to put an innocent man in prison, right?
	That's the tenement of the U.S. justice system, or it should be.
	So I can see your argument, but I think just some crimes in general should definitely be punished by death, whether it's messing around with kids, killing people, murders in cold blood, serial killers killing people for the thrill of it, etc.
	I think some should be punished by death, but I can see your perspective as well.
	Yeah, I see both sides.
	Yeah.
	It's truly not one that I'm majorly hung up on, actually.
	You could talk about politics or all this stuff all the time, and then you just have one or two that you're just like, it's just not the one I'm fully...
	Because I really think there might be something societally Valuable to say, let's say in the case of serial killing or you do something horrible to a child or something like that, that these are the ones that are so, the rot that they will cause in society is so extraordinary.
	It's just so profound and deep that we have to do the ultimate thing to stop it.
	I do think there is something to that.
	Yeah, and the reason why serial killers, I say, is because a lot of times, like, they kind of live in infamy.
	Yeah.
	So it's like, or sorry, they're like, they're praised.
	Yeah.
	So it's like, you kind of got to just get rid of them sometimes so that you don't incentivize people to, like, do that.
	Because, like, people, like, a lot of the times, these serial killers, like, you look at the Zodiac killer, you look at people like...
	Uh, BTK, like these guys that write notes to the police, et cetera, like they're, they're in it for clout.
	So it's like, okay, we got to get rid of these people.
	Right.
	And then again, just on the philosophical level, if you're worried about government power and once you give them that power and then they start expanding.
	Okay.
	So let's say you have your five issues that you're allowed to get the death penalty for whatever it is.
	You mess with a kid, you're a serial killer.
	Well, now somebody is in power that you don't like.
	And now they expanded it to eight things.
	And then the next guy comes in, it's 10 things.
	And next thing you know, Oh, you said something we don't like.
	Yeah.
	And you can get killed for that.
	Even worse, right?
	Right now, we have a friend of ours, Andrew Tate, that's literally under a sentence of attack, attack, attack.
	And for what he said, free speech, he's being targeted.
	So imagine what you said earlier, if they don't like what you're saying, they can make up this whole story about, yeah, he just did this and that.
	Here's some false evidence, and then you're gone.
	It's hard to track exactly what's going on over there.
	So he's now on house arrest in Romania, so he's still stuck there, correct?
	Yeah.
	But he's not in jail anymore.
	He's in house arrest.
	And they haven't fully admitted the charges.
	So their judicial system is extremely strange.
	And I researched this because he's a good friend of ours.
	And I always, you know, we made a bunch of videos showing all the exculpatory evidence that shows that these guys are innocent.
	But basically, they can not charge you for something, put you in jail as they're doing the investigation.
	This is what we did with the January 6th people.
	Yeah, almost to a degree.
	So no one's indicted, no one's formally charged, nothing, grand jury convened, none of that shit.
	And they also don't have jury trials in Romania.
	It's by a judge.
	So they could jail you up to six months.
	So they jailed them for like 90 days.
	Then they put them on house arrest, which, you know, It gives them a little bit more time.
	And then finally, they just charged them recently, a couple days ago, I think like one or two days ago.
	So now they've been formally charged.
	And now the judge is finally going to be able to see the file that was against them all this time, which from what I understand, and they talked about this in their emergency meeting, basically they had...
	Stolen money from women on TikTok.
	Yeah.
	And you know the crazy part?
	That's where this all stems from.
	Now, they have to show the evidence to back their claim.
	So let's see what they're going to show because the claim is they took money from TikTok girl, which is like multi-millionaires.
	Yeah, and I want to see.
	That makes no sense.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I want to see the evidence now because now they're going to have to show it.
	At this point.
	But it's just strange to me how all this exculpatory evidence comes out that these women that made these allegations were trying to get a Netflix slash Hulu deal and then they were in the French Riviera partying and all this other stuff.
	There's CCTV footage shown on here where the girls are coming in and out freely.
	Shopping, buying food, walking out.
	And having a bunch of other girls come out that were accused of being part of this and all said, no, he was great to me and all that stuff.
	But to your point, Dave, so imagine this person that people hate and vilify It's actually innocent, but because they don't like him, Big Brother's like, you know what?
	Let's get him out of here.
	Death penalty.
	Right.
	And again, if the option is death penalty or life in prison, look, life in prison ain't great, but you got a chance.
	Life is better than death.
	I'm pretty sure of that.
	So it's like, and then maybe over time something changes, the government changes and you get out.
	But once you've made that final call, that's why this one, again, it's not even that it's not one of my top things.
	I just think you can be really Principled and take either side of this and make a good argument.
	Yeah, but also to your point as well, if someone did something to my daughter or my son, hey man, just saying bro, you gotta go because you just violated a kid that can't defend himself.
	You're making both arguments.
	I get it.
	You can say both sides on this, right?
	And like I use like, you know, because the whole Fed reacts that cover serial killers extensively, like Ted Bundy for example, right?
	Guy killed like 33 plus women in multiple different states, etc.
	The one thing he was terrified of was being put to death.
	And it's like, okay, this is...
	And a lot of these serial killers, that's one thing they're worried about.
	A lot of times they'll fight.
	So, oh, I don't want to be put to death.
	So they'll give more information, blah, blah, blah.
	And he wasn't able to extend his time.
	But I think that's a lot of times the only way to scare some of these guys off or maybe de-incentivize them to do what they're doing.
	I also think some of these issues like death penalty, let's say, or even abortion to a lesser extent.
	that we get so caught up in these issues which shouldn't have that much to do with the government in the first place.
	Like if you, my personal belief would be that if you want an abortion, we should have, we certainly, certainly should have some limitations on it.
	But if you want an abortion, that's up to you and your husband or wife and your doctor, et cetera, et cetera, for the most part.
	Again, not with no limits.
	I thought what we had here in Florida was perfectly fine.
	We had 15 weeks here in Florida, which DeSantis has now shifted to six.
	People are always saying to me, oh, don't you disagree with DeSantis on anything?
	Yeah, this is one I disagree with him, but he is the chief executive of the state who won by a freaking landslide, and he has every right to then make policy according to his beliefs.
	And then, you know what?
	Well, he can't run for re-election as governor again, but people can then decide if they want to support him or not.
	But for me, it's like, I just don't want the government that involved in any of this stuff.
	But now when we see, again, the Democrats going nuts, where in Cali, you can literally have an eight That's crazy.
	That's wild.
	You know, I just thought about this while we were having this discussion.
	You know what they should do?
	Let the families and the victims decide if they get put to death or not.
	I think that'd be better.
	It's not even on the government, it's on the family, the victims.
	This is a penalty up to death or life.
	Family gets to decide.
	How they want justice.
	That's better than the state.
	You end up probably in some really clown court crazy shit happening with that, but it's really not the worst thing in the world.
	The family ultimately deciding, do we want this person to exist on this earth who did something that's so unimaginably evil?
	Again, if it's beyond a reasonable doubt.
	That gives it to the people, not the government.
	That's one way.
	Actually, just add to this as well.
	What about gun laws?
	I'm completely in line with him.
	I don't know.
	I'm completely for concealed carry is absolutely fine.
	I own guns.
	I did not own guns until L.A. when the riots were literally going by my house and people were doxing me and literally walking by my house saying Ruben lives there.
	I mean, I'm not kidding.
	I live right off Ventura Avenue.
	That was the main drag in L.A. where they were burning everything down in the name of tolerance and everything else.
	Was this after the George Floyd?
	Yeah, it was during all that.
	Literally, just walking by my house.
	People were breaking into my mailbox every day and everything else.
	We got a couple guns, which was not easy.
	Not only is it not easy to do- Yeah, how'd you do it?
	California!
	Comey-fornia!
	Well, it's not easy to do in Cali normally, but then when all the liberals of California, of Los Angeles realized that, oh shit, we better get guns, then everyone wanted guns and it's not easy to get.
	I pulled some strings with some celeb type people that I know that were able to get some things.
	I was going to say, I used to see this girl who actually was the one that got all the applications for gun permits in LA. She said they were backed up like two years.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, you also couldn't get bullets.
	I mean, it really was nuts, but I am completely 100% for the Second Amendment.
	You have an absolute right to defend your property, to defend your family.
	You should not be relying on the government.
	I think we learned that fairly clearly.
	And then to see all of, again, the liberals or the Democrats, again, whatever you want to call them, that suddenly when their area was burning down, Suddenly, oh shit, we better get guns.
	But when it's someone else, when it's the urban area that they don't care about, then that can just burn all day long and we better take away guns.
	Not only that, they were so big on masks and social distancing, but as soon as this shit happens, oh no, we gotta take to the streets and be close to each other now.
	You know Lori Lightfoot?
	She was the mayor of Chicago.
	She looks like Beetlejuice.
	She was the one that...
	She was out there protesting, saying we gotta take back the streets.
	She's saying some things are more important than viruses, more important than public health.
	I must take a knee for George Floyd.
	And then she got caught getting her hair done.
	I mean, this is one of the ugliest creatures on God's green earth.
	And she said, but I care about my appearance.
	It's like, lady.
	First off, that's not true.
	But secondly, just because other people care about their appearance too.
	But all of them.
	Gavin Newsom going to French Laundry.
	It's literally, I think, the most expensive restaurant in all of California.
	Sitting there with lobbyists indoors while he's banning everybody else.
	He kept his winery open.
	Plump Jack Winery, 42 acres in Sonoma.
	Kept his winery open while he closed other wineries.
	These people are evil.
	But the thing is, what people need to understand is they're not going to stop.
	Because Gavin Newsom got re-elected.
	Gretchen Whitmer, governor of...
	Is he trying to go after DeSantis right now?
	He's running for president.
	Mark my words.
	He's trying to get...
	He's trying to go after DeSantis criminally for bringing it to...
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He's looking into it because they shipped 36 people to California.
	But first off, I'm 100% fine with DeSantis doing that.
	We are not a sanctuary state.
	We believe in laws here.
	In this state and in this country.
	If you come here illegal, you inherently are breaking the law and we are not going to keep you here.
	Cali, you know, these are very good, tolerant and diverse people.
	They want everybody.
	We're sending them over.
	I don't even know what Newsom's upset about.
	Dude, that's more diversity for you.
	Come on, man.
	Yeah, you can't sit there and get mad.
	Like you say you're a sanctuary state, then take the people in.
	36 people.
	That's not too bad.
	But these These people are all like, Barack Obama, he lives on a 30-acre estate on the water.
	So first off, climate change and we're worried about water and all that.
	He doesn't care about that.
	But remember what happened.
	They sent 30 people.
	Florida sent 30 people to Martha's Vineyard.
	Martha's Vineyard is one of the richest places in the entire United States.
	30 people.
	Obama's got 30 acres.
	He could have given each one of them an acre or even if that's nuts, obviously, time to do that.
	You could have taken out half an acre and put 30 people on half an acre.
	You could have put them in really nice tents and kept them there, but they freaking booted them in a day.
	Right.
	And remember, the media went crazy about it.
	Go to the border towns in Texas right now.
	Go see what's going on in El Paso and some of these other places.
	Crazy.
	I lived on the radio for years.
	I thought it was like there when they were, especially in 2014, when they were doing the mass, you know, migrations, they were just running across the border going crazy.
	So it's like, yeah, I mean, a lot of times these people, you know, these champagne socialists, whatever it may be, like a loser like Hassan Piker, etc., right?
	They'll sit there and buy a multi-million dollar house and sit there and say, oh, the rich have too much money.
	And it's like, blah, blah, blah.
	Look at you, bro.
	You think these motherfuckers don't take every tax break they can get, that they do everything they can.
	I'm not pretending to do anything other than I'm doing.
	I do everything within legal means to pay less taxes.
	First off, the fact that we all live in Florida now where we don't pay income tax.
	I did not leave Cali because of income tax.
	But the fact that I'm saving money to live in the best place in America.
	Wild.
	It's insane.
	I've told DeSantis many times.
	I've been like, dude, you should be charging an entry tax.
	And I actually believe that.
	Like, at some point, we are going to be such a beacon of freedom.
	I think we are now.
	And they'll bring back COVID-9 or Monkey Pox 6 or whatever.
	And it'll all start again because these morons reelected.
	They should charge an entry tax.
	I don't think about it.
	They're bringing up the rent.
	They're bringing up the goddamn...
	Because I've been here since 2018, so I'm not one of these new Floridians.
	All you niggas, man, stay over there.
	Bring the whole girls to Florida.
	But stay over there, niggas.
	You know, they should do that.
	Because, yo, the goddamn roads are packed now.
	The traffic is terrible.
	The rent's gone up.
	I mean, it's good for me.
	I'm in here.
	But still, goddamn...
	But you see what you think are...
	What you think are problems is that our roads, because we have traffic, because we have too many people now.
	Way worse.
	Our house prices are going up.
	But this is consequences of success.
	It's not because our roads are crumbling.
	It's because literally we have too many people sharing in our freedom.
	But I'll tell you, last time I had DeSantis on my show about two months ago, I said to him, I said, so I want to ask you, you know I support you obviously, but I want to ask you one thing that the OG Floridians are always asking me about, which is they're worried because all these people are coming here and they are seeing more traffic and everything else.
	seven infrastructure projects that they had 20 year windows on meaning that you have 20 years to do massive projects with roads water all sorts of stuff tech everything else uh and they moved them all up to seven years so they shaved 13 years off seven massive projects and you could see it i mean you guys were here last year when we had the that insane hurricane e in which hit southwest florida that bridge my parents had a place on sanibel island which has basically been decimated
	That bridge, it's a three-mile causeway that jumps these little reef islands, completely decimated.
	We've rebuilt it in three weeks.
	It would have taken California.
	They're still trying to build that high-speed rail thing.
	It's cost them $30 billion.
	They've built nothing.
	So we live in a place that's doing it right.
	But the entry tax thing actually is interesting.
	If you said to everybody, hey, you're going to come here and share.
	We welcome you.
	We hope you'll vote the right way and be a good citizen.
	But how about, I don't know, 0.5% of your savings or something like that?
	I don't know that it would be constitutionally legal.
	I doubt it would be.
	I'm sure it would be hung up in the courts.
	But I think there is something to that because I think the OG Floridians, you know, people used to make fun of Florida, man.
	You know, he's smoking a cigar.
	Florida man does this in the news.
	And now they're all coming here because, like, here's the thing.
	Florida man knew something.
	They'd be able to get away with it because, you know, I'm off for less tax.
	I'm being funny here, guys, right?
	But the thing is, people from California, people from New York, etc., they come here and they see the price.
	They're like, Whoa, this is awesome!
	And they buy a house here, whatever.
	If you charge them an entry tax, they would pay it anyway.
	And the thing, too, my fear is this.
	I don't want Florida to be like Austin, Texas.
	For anybody out here that's from Austin, Texas, y'all know what it is.
	They have the worst infrastructure problems because there's only really one main highway that goes through Interstate 35.
	But the thing is that Austin blew up way too fast to Right?
	It was a fast-running city for several years in the United States.
	And now it has some of the worst traffic in the United States.
	If y'all don't believe me, go visit Austin, Texas.
	And with the real estate boom, it's gotten even bigger because, like, it's cheaper to live there.
	Everyone has moved to Texas, etc.
	So, yeah, I see Florida going to be there soon if we don't...
	One advantage that Florida has that Austin doesn't is Austin was blowing up before COVID, right?
	Because all of the blue people of Texas, which is a massive state, they were all going to Austin.
	Austin is not Austin of 10 years ago.
	The city of Austin has a huge drug problem, a huge homeless problem, a huge crime problem.
	When people talk about the cool parts of Austin now, they're talking about the suburbs outside of Austin.
	That's where Rogan moves.
	That's where everyone is going, really.
	If you have money, that's where you're going because the city itself is not great anymore.
	The difference with Florida is Florida blew up during COVID and everyone knew why they're moving here.
	So where I live, I'm a little south from you guys, but very residential neighborhood and very safe and clean and all that stuff.
	But there's a ton of new people there.
	So everyone that I meet is new or the OGs are always asking where you come from and they freak out for a second.
	Like when I got here at first and I'm walking my dog and people are like, oh, where'd you move from?
	And I'm like, California.
	You could see the fear in their eyes.
	They're like, oh, fuck, another one of these people.
	Yeah.
	But then, you know, I swear to God, I started doing this.
	I would keep a picture of me and DeSantis on my phone because I'd be like, don't worry, I'm friends with this guy.
	But so the difference is truly, like joking aside, the difference is people know what they fled because of COVID. So it's not just, oh, you moved here because it's cheaper to live here because of taxes.
	is it's because you fled draconian evil shit where they were forcing you to wear a mask and forcing your kid to wear a mask and not letting you go to school and vaccine pass, all that stuff.
	You came to this free place, you better damn well vote the right way.
	And by the way, DeSantis not only won by 1.6 million votes, but when he took office the first time after winning by 30,000 votes, the Democrats had about a 300,000 lead in registered voters, 300,000 to the Dems.
	Now it's 500,000 to the Republicans.
	So the whole state has completely flipped.
	So you got nothing to worry about.
	No, no, no.
	I've noticed that people that do tend to come to Florida, a lot of them leave their weird Democratic views from the state that they came from, typically.
	Thankfully.
	Right?
	They move here typically for the right reason, which is good.
	I'll say this, though.
	So...
	Why can't DeSantis and Trump just bury the fucking hatchet and work together, man?
	They'll take over.
	They'll take over.
	Of course they would.
	That's up to Trump.
	That's up to Trump.
	That's not up to DeSantis.
	The thing is...
	So he's willing to bury the hatchet.
	Well, I don't know that he's willing to bury the hatchet, but I don't think it's up to him.
	Meaning that it's very...
	Let's do Trump first.
	Yeah.
	We all know what Trump is.
	You either love him, you hate him, whatever it might be.
	There's nothing new with Trump, right?
	There's no new voters that are suddenly like, I do love Donald Trump.
	I finally came around on it.
	It's a known quantity what Trump is.
	And we know that a huge amount of people hate him.
	Also, if you believe that the last election was legit, he lost.
	So you got to show me where you're going to come up with all these new votes.
	There's a whole set of problems around Trump.
	On top of the fact that He's old now.
	He's been, you know, all the stuff the last two months.
	When I wake up every morning and I gotta see, Trump said this about Florida and COVID and New York was better.
	Like, all this lying bullshit.
	I'm like, man, this is not what I want to do on my show because I want to talk about the positive things and the good things.
	I did not want to have to turn against Trump the way that I have, but I also think it's important to fight for truth.
	Trump, I think, is now doing this out of his own, this is purely his ego now.
	Like, I will be king or nobody will It's something like that.
	I think for DeSantis, so to me, this is the out.
	What you're looking for, here's how it could happen.
	I think DeSantis is on the ground.
	No, I like them both.
	Again, I interviewed Trump.
	I'm good friends with Junior and Ivanka.
	These are good, decent people.
	This is I am purely talking now policy and how to get the country going.
	Here's the out for Trump.
	If Trump sees the writing on the wall, DeSantis doing really well on the ground.
	I was just in Nevada with him.
	I did an event this weekend.
	Thousands of people there.
	Line was about a mile to get in.
	He's out there meeting everybody.
	His wife is beautiful.
	She's smart.
	Three young kids like they're good, decent people.
	And the guy's got an incredible track record of winning and fighting the right fights, beating Disney, all the stuff.
	The more people see that, and Trump, is he even campaigning?
	When's the last time you saw him out on the road?
	Like, who's working for him?
	Like, where are the volunteers?
	Nobody knows, really.
	I think he was in the Carolinas recently.
	Maybe, maybe, but the point is, he's not out on the stump right now, right?
	It's not, it's not, it doesn't feel fun anymore.
	You know, there's a lot of anger there now, and by the way, it's well-deserved anger that we talked about earlier.
	The system's treating him like shit, so, but it's not, it's not the fun.
	She's targeted 100%.
	Yeah, I mean, when you got AG's campaigning under, I'm gonna get Trump, like in New York, that's crazy, dude.
	Listen, I grant him a long leash on that.
	It doesn't have to be an endless roadshow of hilarity right now.
	Like, the guy's got serious problems.
	But the point is, I think the momentum will start shifting.
	I think it's already starting to show in the polls a little bit.
	And by the way, polls at this point, a year and a half out, Jeb Bush was winning the polls, the Republican polls in 2015 right now.
	So the polls are irrelevant.
	But I think what could happen is, as people start seeing more of DeSantis and seeing that the media's lying about him, he's not a racist and a bigot and he doesn't hate gays, And any of that bullshit...
	I mean, yeah, you're buddies with him, so you can't hate the gays.
	He doesn't hate the gays.
	Yeah, you made that point on PVD. Dude, I'm sitting next to him two days ago at lunch.
	I can show you the picture, and it was on Saturday.
	It's Sunday, obviously, two days ago.
	It was Father's Day.
	I showed him a picture of my boys, and he was like...
	He's like, that's great.
	Like, that's great.
	They're beautiful.
	What are their names again?
	Like...
	All that stuff.
	It's just nonsense.
	But I think what will happen is as people see the success of Florida and they see the continued crumbling of California and everything else and they see that Biden has dementia and blah, blah, blah.
	All the stuff.
	If Trump starts seeing the writing on the wall, it is very possible that he could be like...
	You know what?
	How do I still get liked out of this?
	Because what does Trump like more than anything?
	He likes being liked.
	He likes being part of the show.
	Why not be the elder statesman right now?
	Why not be like, you know what?
	There is this guy.
	He's 44 years old.
	He's done a hell of a job.
	I backed him twice.
	My whole family, all my grandchildren live in his state.
	We all know Florida is the place to be.
	How about I'll just back him.
	I'll run some rallies.
	I'll do what I can.
	And then maybe you could be something in the administration.
	Like, I don't think DeSantis would make him Secretary of State, but you could, I don't know, you go do some international deals.
	You could work with business people.
	Like, there's such a nice out here for Trump, but I don't think there's an out for DeSantis because how could you hitch yourself to just the craziness around Trump?
	So you think him campaigning with him as vice president would never work?
	No way.
	But to be honest, we all know Trump.
	His ego won't allow him to be lower than him.
	So that's what everyone always says to me when I say this, and you're probably right, but I want the guy to know that there's an option here.
	I don't hate the guy.
	And what I see on the road all the time is people, it's not that they hate him.
	They're very appreciative.
	He red-pilled everybody.
	I'm guessing you guys are way more red-pilled now than before Trump, just as I am.
	So people are appreciative of that.
	But you don't just owe someone your soul forever.
	And I think what's happening now is we just need...
	We talked about the age thing before.
	We need a younger guy.
	We need someone that grew up a little bit before the internet, but that gets the internet.
	There's a reason that Elon Musk likes this guy.
	There's a reason that we're seeing this realignment of things.
	He got it right on COVID. He got it right on the important things.
	And again, as I always say, you don't have to care about anything related to policy.
	Just look where people are moving and where they fleeing.
	And that tells you everything you need to know about the country.
	Yeah, well said.
	Oh yeah, we can hit some of these chats.
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	Okay, so we got here, various letters goes, Big Bossing, CEO Network.
	Appreciate that, my friend.
	And then we got the Black Blur goes, question for Dave.
	What made you want to hop on the FNF podcast for someone like you?
	Heck, any political commentator.
	This seems a bit random.
	Not hating, by the way, since I like both Dave and FNF's content, but just asking.
	No, you know, you guys kept coming up with my team.
	I don't watch a lot of stuff.
	It's probably like you guys.
	I just don't have time.
	I'm doing so many things all the time.
	I also have two young kids now, so I just don't even have a freaking second.
	But my guys, the show just kept coming up.
	They kept showing me things on Instagram.
	And then they told me you were in Miami.
	And I was like, of course we got to do it.
	I can't believe that I didn't know about the locals thing, which is just absolutely awesome too.
	And I also love even just being here in your studio.
	I was one of the first guys that did the home studio thing.
	Because I was doing it years and years ago, independent.
	Tucker Carlson came into my garage to do my show.
	I had built out a freaking awesome television quality studio in my garage in Sherman Oaks.
	Tucker Carlson opens the door.
	He's the number one highest paid host in television history.
	Number one cable host in television history.
	Opens the door.
	The exact quote as he walks into my garage.
	He goes...
	Holy fucking shit, you did it.
	Because he wanted to be free.
	Flash forward seven years, and he's free in a different sense right now.
	There's some legal stuff that he's dealing with.
	What are your thoughts on that situation?
	But anyway, I watched some of the clips of you guys, and I was just like, they seem like cool dudes.
	I heard there's some chicks under the table.
	What are your thoughts on the Tucker Carlson situation and mainstream media, etc.?
	You think it was a good move for independent media?
	It's great for all of us.
	It's great to just...
	It's another death knell to the machine.
	The machine must die.
	I always say it's like, yeah, the mainstream media, but I mean the entire.
	The cultural machine, everything.
	If you just look at Disney, forgetting all the gender shit.
	Yeah.
	The fact that Disney owns Marvel and Star Wars is a problem.
	One giant corporation owning so many of our dreams and our ideas and our stories is a problem.
	When George Lucas created Star Wars, you know, mid-70s when he was writing it, I think the original New Hope came out in 77.
	It's like he was the guy fighting the system.
	And you can feel that in the original Star Wars story.
	Then you watch these new Star Wars, these last three, that were horribly overproduced, made no sense.
	Yeah, they...
	They ruined the entire thing with Last Jedi.
	They ruined it immediately.
	He throws that thing over his shoulder.
	Fucking motherfucker.
	Anyway, I could do that all day long.
	That's a different show.
	But the point is, we should not have these corporations that own so much of our minds, in essence.
	And I think that that's...
	Wait, I forgot what the question was after all that, but...
	Yeah, so the corporations, whether it's Disney, Disney, ABC, so then Disney, ABC, so why did the ladies of The View, these crazy women on The View, all day long attacking DeSantis?
	Because Disney owns ABC, and they're on ABC! And they attack you guys?
	Yeah, all them chicks, Lonnie, love all these fat whores.
	How dare you!
	I don't like how you talk.
	It sounds bad.
	So watching the mainstream media collapse is fantastic.
	Nobody trusts this shit anymore.
	I mean, they lied.
	I put out a tweet that went really viral a couple days ago.
	If you just think of some of the things the mainstream media has lied about over the last couple years, So obviously, masks work, vaccines work.
	Trump, Russia.
	Trump, very fine people.
	He said there are very fine people on both sides implying that racists and neo-Nazis.
	The next sentence he said, I'm not talking about the racists and the neo-Nazis.
	They lied about that.
	Do you know that Joe Biden, if you watch, people can find it on YouTube right now.
	If you watch the Joe Biden campaign launch video when he launched his candidacy, he says in the first sentence, the reason I'm running for president is because of Donald Trump at Charlottesville.
	Because he said very fine people on both sides.
	It's a complete lie.
	The media had it.
	You don't think Jake Tapper knows that shit?
	They lie about everything.
	And it's like, man, all you guys have to do is not be completely horrible.
	As we talked about before, most people are asleep.
	Most people are NPCs.
	Just don't be completely horrible, but they cannot stop themselves.
	It's selective outrage, you know?
	I mean, when we talk about the woke agenda with Disney, you look at Marvel, right?
	They own Marvel.
	This new Spider-Man movie, right?
	I talked about this a little bit ago.
	The new one, the cartoon one.
	It has a black suit or whatever.
	It's like a fucking black Dominican Spider-Man.
	I'm like, what the fuck is going on here?
	It's the minority Spider-Man.
	Where's Uncle Ben?
	Where's Peter Parker?
	He needs to be white.
	What the fuck is going on here?
	This is bullshit.
	This isn't Spider-Man.
	Speaking of Uncle Ben, we had to get rid of Uncle Ben's rice.
	We had one black man on a box of rice, and then who got rid of the black man off the box of rice?
	Oh, Jemima!
	Oh, Jemima!
	And Jemima, too!
	So suddenly, it's the left.
	So think about it.
	Who's taking all of the black people so white people could be on a box of rice?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Quake Groves.
	Quake Groves is okay.
	It's just crazy to me how the Indian, the Native American woman off Land O'Lakes butter, they got rid of her.
	Indian Redskins, too, got rid of that.
	It's just crazy how we're so focused on being politically correct that we're destroying culture in the process.
	And I look at it like, bro, a little bit of racism is okay every now and then, right?
	It's funny.
	It's good.
	How much racism are you guys dealing with on a daily basis?
	You're out there, you're walking down, you're out here in Brickell.
	You're wandering around.
	Like none.
	Nothing.
	Not anymore.
	I feel attacked, Dave.
	You know why?
	What happened?
	I'm just kidding.
	Wouldn't it almost be hilarious in a way if you got, like if I was gay bash, whatever the fuck that means.
	Or if people have said things to me over the years because I'm going to yell something at me.
	Okay.
	All right.
	First off, they're just words, but let's put that aside.
	But wouldn't it almost be funny to you in a bizarre way?
	So you guys...
	Let's say we all walk out of here.
	We're going to get a drink after this.
	And someone's like, you...
	Yeah.
	It's funny.
	I'm not going to say it.
	I think it's funny.
	Here's the thing, right?
	It's funny.
	I tell people all the time, the reason why I'm so desensitized racist is because I grew up Muslim, black, during the 9-11 era.
	I used to get called Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein's nephew.
	They used to talk crazy shit to me.
	So for me, I get made fun of on all angles.
	So for me, I look at it like racism, jokes, all this other shit.
	I fucking love it.
	The funniest thing to me is watching hillbillies talk shit about black people.
	I think it's hilarious.
	Yes.
	I literally think it's hilarious.
	Making fun of Arabs, Muslims.
	Ultimately, there are words, and yes, words have impact.
	However, if you're a sane person that has a good life, what are you worried about?
	They don't know you.
	And by the way, if you told me that the building next door, they will not sell apartments to black people.
	Now, first off, nobody goes into business to do that, right?
	Yeah.
	You go into business, you want to sell sneakers, you want to sell apartments, whatever the hell you want to do.
	You go into business to create something and then as a general rule, you don't really care who buys it.
	That's the whole beauty of capitalism, right?
	But if you told me next door, that's the all-white building, they don't sell...
	Well, the libertarian side would be like, alright, well, just let them have it.
	But if you want to protest outside all day, you can.
	Now, we have laws, anti-discrimination laws, that you actually cannot do that.
	I'm not for re-litigating those laws.
	But the point is, people are just lost in this thing where everyone's a racist everywhere, and everyone's a homophobe everywhere, and it's just not true.
	You guys know Don Rickles, comedian, legendary comedian?
	He's long since passed, but...
	Oh, Don Rickles?
	You don't know Don Rickles?
	No, no.
	It's before my time.
	Alright, Don Rickles was one of the greatest stand-ups ever, and his entire thing, he would literally get on, you know, he was sort of like from the Rat Pack generation, Sinatra, and those guys.
	Okay.
	Timing-wise.
	So huge, from like the 50s, really into, he just died maybe five years ago, ten years ago.
	Rest in peace.
	He was unbelievable.
	But he would make fun of everybody.
	The Jew, the Chinaman, the black guy, the gay guy.
	And what happened was, by making fun of everybody, everyone in the crowd knew they were part of America.
	He didn't go, oh, I can make fun of everybody, but not that guy.
	Not that guy.
	Because then they start going like this, and then everyone else starts going, oh, something else is going on over there.
	So you have to be able to...
	You don't want to be relentlessly miserable to everybody to the point that you're treating them in a different way.
	But comedy is the thing that gets us over this shit.
	Yeah.
	Like, I mean, the fact that they try to cancel Dave Chappelle, like, right, with the jokes that he made in the last Netflix special, the letter community.
	It's just crazy, bro.
	And actually, you know, speaking of which, how do you...
	I am not in that community.
	Yeah, I was going to say, because you're a gay guy, but you have conservative viewpoints.
	What's that like?
	I mean, like, being...
	Because on one side, people are going to say, well, what the hell?
	You're gay.
	Why are you on this side of the Internet?
	Like, what's that like?
	Yeah.
	Why am I on this side of the internet with you radicals?
	What the hell am I doing here?
	Well, first off, all I think is I'm roughly sane, and you guys are roughly sane, and it's just, again, we could do this for six hours.
	It just wouldn't matter if we could whittle it down to, oh my God, you're more pro-death penalty than I am.
	And maybe you feel a little differently about abortion.
	It's like, okay, do you love America?
	Do you want to live freely?
	Are you trying to take all my shit?
	No?
	Okay, we're good.
	Like, that would be my general position.
	As far as the gay thing, I mean, look, first off, the LGBTQI plus two-spirit LMNOP thing...
	that is more anti-gay and anti-lesbian and bisexual than the trans the trans people are trying to literally chop off the genitals of kids so think about it if you are a you're just a girl who's not that into girly stuff when you're six years old now they will try to transition you yeah they will literally try to chemically castrate you and give you uh hormones and chop your breasts off So that seems pretty anti-lesbian to me.
	If you are a young boy who, say, likes pink or likes Barbie instead of Transformers.
	So when I was growing up, I liked Transformers and G.I. Joe and all that stuff.
	So they would have left me alone.
	But there are more traditionally or stereotypically, let's say, gay boys, most likely.
	And by the way, some of the boys who are like pink at six years old, They grow up to be straight guys.
	There are guys that are a little more effeminate that are straight and vice versa.
	So there is no movement that is more radically anti-gay.
	I never thought about it from that perspective.
	I mean, it's true.
	So think about it right now.
	If you're an eight-year-old boy in a school in California right now and you're just, I don't know, you like ballet or you like My Little Pony or whatever.
	My Little Pony.
	What are kids like now?
	I don't know.
	You don't know about that?
	You don't strike me as a My Little Pony guy.
	No, no, bro.
	The song is in my head, bro.
	Because my nephew.
	Hey!
	Is there anything else you want to tell us?
	I'm in a house with little kids, bro.
	They watch cartoons all the time.
	Yeah, it's the little kids in the house.
	Come on, man!
	Yeah, sorry, you were saying.
	But if you're an eight-year-old boy who happens to be a little effeminate in California in the public school system right now, they will encourage you.
	So try to think of something that could possibly be more anti-gay than that.
	Look, I know First of all, I don't care.
	When I meet a friend, I'm not thinking, are you gay or straight or anything else?
	I like people that are decent people.
	But most of the gay people that I know want nothing to do with any of this.
	And by the way, when you see the pride parades now and all the crazy shit that's going on, You could do whatever freaky shit you want in your home.
	Yeah.
	Whatever you want.
	I'm not here to tell anyone.
	It's weird when they put it out in front of everybody, in front of kids.
	In front of kids.
	Just don't do it in front of kids.
	And by the way, that whole don't say gay thing here in Florida, which had nothing to do with the word gay or anything else, all it was, it was called the Parental Rights in Education Bill, HB 1557.
	All it was, was that you would not want a teacher to try to remember.
	What was your third grade teacher's name?
	Do you remember?
	I don't.
	Do you remember your third grade teacher's name?
	Teacher.
	Teacher, okay.
	We don't have teachers, so where are you coming from?
	Barbados?
	Barbados.
	Hey, man.
	I don't know what accent that was.
	Oh, man.
	That's all they removed here.
	That's all they removed.
	And then they did take basically two books out of the schools here, which was left up to the local districts.
	One of them was literally showing kids how to have anal sex, which I don't think is really for elementary school kids.
	That's not anti-gay to do any of that.
	So it's all...
	It's one of those things, once you look behind that curtain, you pull that curtain back, and you realize it's not the all-powerful Oz, it's just this old, washed-up buffoon, it starts becoming very clear.
	What's your take on, because I've heard people say this, that, you know, Oh, well, you know, letting in gay marriage was a slippery slope that led to this clown world that we're in now, where we have multiple genders, blah, blah.
	What's your take on that?
	Well, first off, if you're an American, if you're an American that believes in the Constitution, you believe in individual rights, and every adult should be treated equally under the law.
	We have equal protection under the law.
	Black people were slaves.
	That was unjust.
	Black people couldn't vote.
	That was unjust.
	Women could not vote.
	That was unjust.
	Well, women still shouldn't vote.
	No, no, no.
	I could see it as I was saying it.
	I was like, oh, here we go.
	But by the way, the same people who would make the argument about gay marriage would make that argument about a woman voting.
	Because they would say, once you allowed a woman to vote, it pushed the women into the workforce more, it destroyed the family.
	And by the way, are some of those arguments in the most sort of tangentially way, is there some piece of truth in there?
	Perhaps.
	But that's not a reason to deny an adult equal treatment under the law as anyone else.
	So that's why it's so twisted, and I would say perverted, actually, what the trans activists and all of the corporations that are forcing this shit down our throats have done.
	Because they took a movement that was just...
	If you look at the late 70s, early 80s pride parade, I don't even know what they were called, pride at that time, but whatever it was, it was people who literally wanted to be able to enter a relationship with another consenting adult and We're good to go.
	And that's also part of the problem.
	You have these movements that are activist movements.
	So when you have these organizations like GLAAD or the NAACP or all these things, you can't leave well enough alone because you've got to keep making money.
	So Al Sharpton needs racism.
	Chris Rock has a great line.
	The cops need a certain amount of crime.
	GLAAD or whatever the Human Rights Commission or whatever these gay organizations are, they know gays are treated fine.
	No gay is fleeing America.
	No gay has fled Florida.
	Oh shit!
	I can't live here.
	Like, it's crazy.
	Generally, gay people, black people, other minorities, they want the same things as everybody else.
	They want safe streets, they want good schools, they want nice restaurants, things like that.
	They cannot let this thing go.
	And that's really what's driving so much of this.
	That it's like, we just gotta find new things.
	And God only knows what it'll be after the trans thing, by the way.
	And that's not to say that an adult, if you're an adult, you're over 18, you want to dress as a woman if you're a man, live a life a certain way.
	If you treat me with respect, I'll treat you with respect.
	That is just fine with me.
	But we should not be pushing this on kids.
	Listen, my thing is, bro, you got your own life to live.
	You do what you want to do.
	Just don't bring that on to me or my kids or my family.
	That's it.
	Do what you gotta do.
	Yeah, like you do what you want to do.
	Yeah, just to keep it away from the children.
	Yeah, because they're the next generation.
	You don't want anything because there's been plenty of times where you made a fantastic point earlier, like where a boy might grow up a little bit effeminate, but he ends up being heterosexual.
	A girl might grow up being a bit more tomboish, but she ends up being heterosexual like she Or they changed.
	They're like, ah, yeah, I used to be like this, but I changed.
	But also think about it.
	The people who think that we're all polyamorous and there are no rules, they're also the most regimented, actually, when it comes to gender roles, because they see a boy that likes pink and they're like, ah, you're a girl!
	And then it's like, but also you don't even think that there are two genders.
	So on one hand, they think everything's possible.
	And then in the other way, they're actually the most narrow-minded in their thinking.
	It's pretty freaking twisted.
	And we're seeing some of these people that had that change done to them are saying, damn, I didn't want this.
	I was a kid and they didn't know what I was doing.
	And now they're like, wow, I can't go back.
	You remember when you were in fifth grade, if they were going to take you to the zoo, literally to the zoo in fifth grade, your parents had to sign a consent form to go to the zoo.
	Now, In California, they literally passed it.
	It passed the legislature this week.
	If you as an adult, if you as a parent of a child do not affirm the gender identity of your child, affirm it.
	So meaning your child, your child's a girl.
	She says he's a boy.
	If you don't affirm it, they will be able to take that child out of the home.
	They will be able to take that child out of the way.
	What?
	Check it.
	Check it.
	I'm not making it up.
	Right now, it's based on a case around a divorce, but I'm telling you, you know the way California works, and it will expand and expand.
	And one day, I guarantee you, within five years, they will have ripped a perfectly sane, probably effeminate boy We're good to go.
	It's crazy to me because, like, you know, growing up in the 90s, I remember, like, you know, you get that one kid, right, that acts a little bit more girly or that one girl that acts a bit more boy-y, right?
	But then, like, you know, you see, like, 10, 15 years later on Facebook, they're, like, regular.
	They're, like, oh, yeah, this dude is, like, a regular dude now.
	He has a girlfriend.
	That girl is, like, a regular chick.
	She has a husband now.
	And it's, like...
	You know, that wouldn't have happened in today's day and age because like, oh no, no, no, you need to be this gender.
	This is what you really are.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like, what the fuck is going on?
	So it's like, it's wild to me.
	Also, have you seen what these surgeries are like?
	What they do to take a guy?
	I mean, it's so sick.
	If people have not seen the pictures on Twitter, I mean, it's deeply disturbing if you have not seen this.
	When they take the muscle from your leg to make A penis that does not operate, that does not work, does not look like one.
	Or what they do to the girl, you know, if it's a boy, now they have to make the arm thinner.
	And it's so twisted what they do.
	I don't even want to talk about it.
	With the kids, that's my issue, man.
	Like, if you want to go ahead and transition, cool.
	But I think for the children, that's definitely not where you want to be.
	Let me ask you this, because people out there, right, obviously you're a proud father.
	What is your response to anyone that might say, well, I don't think gays should be raising children?
	I mean, it would be bigoted.
	It would just be like saying, well, any other group of people should not be allowed to raise children.
	I can tell you that we have two kids.
	Justin's nine months and Luke is seven months.
	These are the two happiest, most well-adjusted kids.
	Cannot get smiles off their faces.
	That we are doing absolutely everything to raise them in the best possible way.
	My husband, whose name is David, by the way, which can get a little confusing in the house.
	Daddy David!
	It's a lot of Davids.
	Yeah.
	And the kids are Dave and Davey, so it's a lot.
	No, that's a joke.
	That he has done such an unbelievable job.
	Now, that is not to deny.
	And this is where we can get into all sorts of interesting stuff.
	Obviously, the model for a family, like the easiest, simplest model that a society should be looking to, is obviously a mother and a father.
	The nuclear family.
	Of course, but that doesn't mean that you can't have things on the margins that can fit within that and be sane.
	Now, I'm running that experiment.
	But by the way, there are literally thousands, if not millions, of gay couples that are doing the same thing, and you never hear about them.
	That's also the problem, the way the media works.
	You only hear about these people when they're the ones that are twerking in front of kids.
	It's got to be sensationalized on a negative light to be reported.
	I could list Peter Thiel.
	Yeah.
	many of these people that are just doing the best they can.
	Now, does that translate to having, is it exactly the same as having a mother?
	Well, neither one of us can breastfeed.
	So we pay to have breast milk delivered to our house.
	That's, That's different.
	Our mother's generally more nurturers.
	I mean, hunter-gatherer.
	But I'm not denying any biological differences.
	We fortunately have a lot of female role models in our house.
	I was going to ask, do you bring someone in to, I guess, give that feminine nurture?
	Well, right now, my sister-in-law is living with us and has been since our second was born.
	And she's been helping us and doing an unbelievably wonderful job with that.
	My mom's visiting next week.
	My mother-in-law comes down every few weeks.
	So the difference is that I'm not denying any reality.
	I think that there are...
	You can say that this...
	I had a long conversation, about a two-and-a-half-hour conversation with Jordan Peterson on this on YouTube.
	And ironically, he can probably describe it better than me.
	But the point being that a society should always have ideals.
	You should always have ideals.
	This is what we can all strive to.
	I don't think there's anything wrong inherently with being gay, obviously.
	Someone else may have a religious view that something is.
	But what I think a society can do is we give everybody equal rights, we have ideals, and then what you want to do is you want to find those margin cases and how they can fold into it.
	Unfortunately, what the margin cases have decided to do through mainstream media and everything else is tear down everything.
	So now instead of the gay movement being like, "Oh, we got marriage equality.
	There's no real discrimination against gays.
	You can't just fire someone for being gay, all that stuff.
	They could have left well enough alone and then moved on.
	Instead, they decided to turn it into all of this other stuff.
	And it's freaking sad because even just in the last week, I saw a poll.
	It's like Republican support for gay relationships has dropped like 15%.
	I don't blame the average Republican who sees this crazy shit.
	Forget Republican.
	I don't blame the average person.
	So it's pretty twisted.
	But I think all you can do is judge people on their behaviors and how they act.
	And you guys are welcome to come have dinner with us and see what we're doing as a family.
	And I think you'd be pretty impressed.
	I think it's better than all the single mother households out there, right?
	That really leads to the fucked up shit.
	Well, so that's a point that Jordan made in our conversation because when I talk about, so you want the edge cases, it's like being a single mother, that's an edge case.
	So should you take that kid away from that woman?
	Now, is it possible that that woman is going to raise...
	The most incredible children ever, and it taught them all the right, of course.
	Is it gonna be harder?
	Yeah.
	Is it harder to do it, probably, as two men or as two women?
	There are certain challenges.
	Will our children get asked weird questions?
	All sorts of stuff.
	Yeah, I was gonna say, how are you gonna deal with that?
	We'll sort of deal with it as the time comes, but I'll tell you one that hit me just a couple weeks ago.
	My sister lives in Miami with three kids.
	My brother-in-law is actually the co-founder of Locals, so he was the tech guy.
	And when I wanted to put it together, I called him and we put the thing together.
	They have their middle son is about five, five and a half.
	We're in the pool.
	This is literally like three weeks ago.
	We're in the pool.
	And he says to me, he said, there's two babies here, but there's no mommy.
	Where's the mommy?
	And I had that moment.
	And what I realized was it's not my job.
	I have his best interest in mind.
	I love this kid.
	Obviously, he's my nephew.
	But it's not my job to tell him.
	So, you know, with the kid, I just changed the topic very quickly.
	I grabbed the basketball, threw it to the side, the little in-hoop, you know, in-pool thing.
	And he got distracted.
	And then later, as my sister was leaving, I said, hey, Tal, just FYI, he asked me a question.
	I told her what it was.
	I said, however you deal with it is fine.
	But I knew it wasn't my place to.
	And I have his best interest in mind as the uncle.
	But the state employee who wants to confuse this kid about a whole bunch of stuff is a very different thing.
	And I think that's a good example of like just sort of letting the parents be the ones to break that in.
	Yeah, I think you understand, David, the whole dynamic of how it should work.
	And you bring things that make it work for your situation.
	You don't push anything on people to say, you know what, do this, do that.
	Hey, you live your life.
	That's okay.
	Make sure it works in that dynamic.
	That's all you can do as a human being.
	I don't care what my neighbor does in his house as long as he doesn't bring it onto my property.
	You know what I mean?
	He could be into whatever weird sexual shits he's into.
	He could do whatever drugs he wants to do and everything else.
	Once he's cooking meth in there and now we got a whole bunch of crazy people outside, now we got a problem, right?
	So that's the exchange that living in a free society is all about.
	But I think the other problem with this is there's a movement also to try to destroy everything that was good.
	So there's a real movement to try to destroy marriage, destroy family, TERFs, you know, women who stay at home.
	My mom stayed at home, raised three kids.
	She worked before I was born.
	I'm the oldest.
	Then she had three kids.
	My parents had three kids.
	They still live in the house that I grew up in 40 some odd years later.
	They've been there for over 50 years, actually.
	She got us all out to school every day, breakfast, came home, snacks, blah, blah, blah.
	And then when my sister was old enough, my mom didn't have to be around, she started working again.
	She became a kindergarten teacher.
	That's a beautiful thing, but if you were to listen to the modern feminist about that, she was somehow a sellout to women, even though they can't tell you what a woman is.
	Yeah, that's crazy, man.
	What's your thoughts on feminism?
	No, it's become completely derailed.
	I mean, the modern feminist movement wants biological boys to kick the shit out of girls.
	That seems radically anti-women to me.
	So when you talk about the LGBT thing, the T's are against the gays because they want to chop their genitals off.
	And the T's also want male wrestlers to kick the shit out of women.
	You know when this thing comes crashing down?
	I cannot wait.
	I cannot wait till this day.
	I really cannot wait.
	There is going to be a washed up...
	Maybe you can give me a name of a guy because I don't pay attention to the NBA anymore.
	I used to be a huge fan, but then it went woke and I can't take it anymore.
	I watch old...
	My whole YouTube is just old 80s and 90s basketball.
	I still watch the games that I can tell you every play-by-play.
	But anyway, there is going to be a 36-year-old, washed-up, I'm talking 2.1-rebound guy, who plays six games in a season, who one day is going to announce his name is Angela.
	And he is going to average a triple-double, 35 points a game in the WNBA. And all the feminists...
	Oh my god!
	Yeah.
	She's the greatest player ever as he's dunking over Sue Bird or, you know.
	You're right, man.
	Because it used to be, right, 10, 15 years ago, right, like, everyone on that side was kind of like, we're all together, right?
	Like, gays, blacks, you know, transgenders, etc.
	We're all in the same banner because we're all going to go after the white man.
	Because I've always said it.
	The common enemy is the white man.
	The Caucasian man, he's the oppressor.
	I got no problem with white people.
	I was just in Nevada.
	All white people.
	Totally fine.
	I love white people.
	I love all races.
	I like white girls.
	Yeah, right?
	Yeah, man.
	They're going to clip that part and call us coons.
	Whatever, right?
	I think it's fine.
	You guys like white chicks.
	It's fine.
	Of course.
	And Hispanic.
	And Asian.
	No, no.
	No dark.
	No dark.
	Come on.
	What's wrong with you?
	Come on.
	We don't love our black queens?
	No.
	We're racist, remember?
	Oh, yeah.
	My bad.
	Yeah.
	Wait, black queens.
	That was a gay joke, right?
	You're not a knight, right?
	I see what you did there.
	You're not a Knight Rider?
	No, I'm not a Knight Rider.
	What was I saying?
	You like white chicks.
	Everyone coming together.
	You were saying all this is going to come crashing down.
	Right now, with these guys going into female sports and absolutely demolishing them, right?
	Right now, this girl lost a bunch of scholarships to Connecticut.
	She's suing.
	And yeah, it used to be they all rode with each other the past 15 whatever years.
	But now, yeah, because honestly, what this situation is doing is that it's fucking women up is really what it's coming down to because women are inferior physically.
	You want equality?
	Here you go, bitch.
	Take equality now!
	Well, you know this Leah Thomas, who's the dude who was ranked, I think, 437th in male swimming in Is now the number one.
	You know that he still has a dick.
	So my producer believes he's using it as a propeller and that's why he's swimming past it.
	Imagine him in the locker room doing the fucking helicopter on the hose.
	Well, the girl that he beat, the girl that came in number two, Riley Gaines, she was testifying in Congress today saying that he was in the locker room saying he's a girl and he's got a dick.
	I don't know that she said dick, but you get the point.
	As a phallus.
	You know what it was?
	What you're talking about is the crazy intersectional bullshit.
	They try to combine all their oppressions.
	So if I could do like an old school, we could do like a Voltron reference or a Transformers reference.
	Remember Voltron?
	Or Power Rangers when they all come to combine.
	Exactly.
	Converge!
	But they all became, in their case, they became more powerful.
	You took these five Transformers, they became Devastator.
	They're big, they're strong.
	But these guys, they became weak because these oppressions...
	Oppression is not something that should link...
	Well, it's not even oppression.
	Perceived oppression is not something that should link you with anyone else.
	And once you believe that whatever your weakness is and how sad to think that your weakness would be your skin color or my weakness would be my sexuality, once you do that, man, they will own you forever.
	But you got to admit, It's clever what they did.
	They've convinced a whole bunch of people that somehow BLM had something to do with queer, trans, two-spirit rights.
	And they got a whole generation of morons out there with anxiety.
	Buying lavish mansions.
	Yeah, they're doing alright.
	Everyone on The Woke, it's contingent upon you being able to identify an oppressor, which I always say is typically the Caucasian male, right?
	Because Oh, they've enslaved us forever, so it's their fault, blah, blah, blah.
	So you say that you're being oppressed by him.
	Now you're in the victim's mindset.
	Now we can go ahead and you can go ahead and complain and cry about all these things.
	And it's like, it's ridiculous, man.
	Like, I mean, you look at the George Floyd protests.
	Like, I mean, are we really going to sit here and martyr a guy that was a criminal, put a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach, was high on Fenton all the time, passed off a counterfeit bill, committed a federal crime?
	I mean, Candace Owens did a really good documentary on that showing, like, who George Floyd really was prior, right?
	It was like a fucking huge criminal.
	But it's like, we martyred this guy, and it's like, what the fuck, man?
	Like, seriously?
	I can honestly say, right now, in this current time, there's no better thing to be a black person.
	BBC gang.
	Yeah.
	You guys are feeling pretty good these days.
	Hell yeah, bro.
	It's good, man.
	Pretty, pretty, pretty good.
	Hey, man, it's great, man.
	I'm over here to be able to say, like, Islamophobia!
	Oh, you hit blocks!
	You know, I'm able to double dip all over the place.
	It's fantastic.
	If you were white doing this podcast, it would have been canceled a long time ago.
	We could figure out a way to get you guys canceled.
	I mean...
	It's coming.
	Yeah, it's coming.
	It's coming, right?
	I mean, we got a Muslim, well, terrible Muslim guy, but Muslim Arab guy.
	We got a Jew at the table.
	We got pitch black, black guy.
	You know, and this is great because we can sit here and have this conversation rationally sound without our feelings and not being able, oh my God, well, that's so fucked up and that's so impressive.
	We don't all agree here.
	I don't agree, you know, with certain things that you say and vice versa.
	But honestly speaking, we're men that can disagree and agree.
	And have a conversation.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	But if we were like a bunch of libs, we'd be like, oh, my emotions.
	How dare you say that to me?
	No, that's evil.
	You, nigger.
	And canceled.
	That escalated quickly.
	Wait, did I just say that?
	Yeah, you did.
	But it's okay.
	You're really black.
	It's also not fun.
	Don't you think it's not fun?
	What?
	The hysteria that they live in all the time.
	It's crazy, dude.
	Just trying to find it.
	And then you see why these people, they don't look good.
	Even there's something going on right now.
	You know, there's this meme online about how all the fitness bloggers and everything, they're all right-wing now, right?
	It's like an alt-right idea to be fit or take care of yourself or anything.
	And then why are all the purple-haired obese people, why are they all crazy lefties?
	Because caring about yourself and getting your shit together and Jordan Peterson, who I toured with, standing up straight with your shoulders back.
	Saying to the world, hey, I'm going to clean my room and then I'll clean the world.
	They're trying to do it the reverse way, right?
	They want to clean the world first before they clean their room.
	I'm not saying I've done everything.
	I certainly haven't done everything in my life perfectly, but not even at this moment is everything perfect.
	It's pretty damn good right now.
	You know you have those moments, those times in life when it's just you're doing it right and it's working.
	And then you find the flow and then sometimes you fall out of it.
	You don't even realize it.
	And then you're out of it for a while and then you get back in.
	But all of these people, they want the world to bow to them.
	I feel a little bit weird about my sexuality these days.
	We're gonna turn everybody into a chick.
	Yeah.
	That's scary, man.
	Yeah, making everyone have your viewpoints is kind of strange.
	What's the chat saying, man?
	Okay, let's go ahead here.
	This is a great start to the Wednesday.
	Bitcoin Bandit goes, excited to see Myron's BTC ATM progress.
	Yeah, guys, as you guys know, I went ahead and got a Bitcoin ATM, but I'm not going to try to sell you on nothing.
	I'm going to see how it goes for three months, and then I'll tell you if it's good or not to invest in.
	I take the risk.
	1990 Otaku goes, hope you get info on what's going on with Andrew Tate and the charges against him soon so you can let us know.
	We know what's going on, guys.
	Obviously, we're not going to talk about everything.
	But don't worry.
	You'll see what's going on.
	They're going to make announcements on Rumble and everything else like that, but I'm not going to mention everything.
	Love your show.
	Dave, DeSantis 2024.
	You guys are going to vote for DeSantis, right?
	Man, I ain't gonna lie.
	I like Trump better.
	Okay, yeah.
	What is it?
	Tell me.
	Why do I like Trump better?
	At this point.
	Oh, at this point.
	Well, I like that he's anti-establishment, right?
	Super.
	And this is as well.
	But my thing is, I look at it like, I think...
	Because obviously we're from Florida, so we know who DeSantis is.
	And I like DeSantis.
	I think he did a fantastic job with Florida, by the way.
	I like where this is going.
	I'll have you by the end.
	Yeah.
	So he's going to convert me.
	You're going to convert yourself.
	But my thing is this, though.
	My thing is this.
	I think Trump has a better chance of winning just because he's more known.
	Than DeSantis.
	Because if you go to other places, right, in the United States, a lot of them aren't going to know who Ron DeSantis is, unfortunately.
	Well, you know, he's just started campaigning.
	I know, I know, I know.
	He's in Nevada this past weekend.
	I mean, that's the next year of his life is getting people to know him.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's the thing.
	So you think if more, but all right, well, that's pretty, you're giving me an easy one.
	So you think if more people knew him, then that's the path to winning.
	Okay, are you asking me do I think he's going to win or if I would vote for him?
	Well, I'll ask you both.
	I mean, you're giving me that not enough people know him.
	So if you grant me that enough people will know him by primary time, Then, I mean, if enough people know him by primary, then yeah, it'll be a tougher...
	Then I'll have to assess, okay...
	Because my thing is, we need to get one of them in.
	Whether it's Trump or DeSantis, one of them needs to get him.
	Like, we need to get Biden the fuck out of here.
	We need to get...
	Well, you know what?
	RFK isn't that bad either, but he's not going to win.
	No, he's not.
	Trust me, by the time the Democrats are done with this guy, he's not going to be a fucking right-wing.
	I mean, him and Joe Rogan have been trying to debate that...
	Hotez.
	Yes, the doctor on Twitter.
	That's going crazy right now.
	Wait, did you see what happened with that?
	So, you know, Rogan says, I'll pay you $100,000 to your charity.
	So I, as a complete joke, I tweeted out, I will pay Hotez $100,000 if he will fight Anthony Fauci in the Thunderdome to the death of I put that out there and then I got put on the master list of people that were going to offer him $100,000.
	So they were like, okay, it's up to about 1.6 million because Tate offered 500 grand and a whole bunch of people.
	So now it was up to like $1.8 million and people had me on the hook for $100,000.
	I was like, guys, I was talking about building a Thunderdome.
	I'm pretty sure that's not legal and I don't think Fauci's going to do it.
	Yeah.
	Hotez is not doing it.
	But my thing is, I mean, hey, if he's more popular at the time, my thing is one of them needs to get in.
	I like Trump because he's anti-establishment.
	He doesn't give a fuck.
	I love how he's not politically correct as someone also that's not politically correct.
	I'm a little bit biased as well because I was a government employee at the time.
	I was in special age with Homeland.
	When he was in office and he did a really good job, he was very pro-law enforcement.
	Fuck the FBI, though.
	But we don't, you know, we didn't, HSI, we don't deal with that shit.
	And yeah, I mean, I just like Trump as the person.
	I like the Make America Great Again viewpoints that he has.
	But I mean, if DeSantis...
	Because my thing is, I don't want it to be where...
	DeSantis comes in.
	As long as someone gets in, whether it's Trump or DeSantis, I'm good.
	I got you already.
	You're there already.
	I don't even need to do anything.
	You're very clear about all your feelings.
	You can talk for a living.
	You see what's just happening?
	Nervous little bead of sweat.
	Yes, yes.
	I'm not sweating, goddammit.
	I'm not sweating.
	But no, just as long as one of them gets in.
	I like both.
	Honestly, I genuinely do like both.
	If I had to pick one right now, it would be Trump.
	But again, I like Trump.
	I voted for Trump.
	It's just so obvious to me that DeSantis is the better choice and more prepared, has better staff.
	Trump can't get anyone to work for him anymore.
	The leaks, the scandals.
	You know, this Brett Baer interview that he did on Fox the other day.
	Do you see this moment where Brett Baer lays out like all the things that he has said about all the people that have worked for him?
	And he's like, you called this one a fat pig.
	You called this one a gross moron.
	This one has brain damage.
	And Trump, he's sitting there.
	They leave the camera on Trump.
	And Trump, it was like one of the first times I've ever seen him have a little shame.
	He kind of, when he said it was the thing about Bill Barr, I think, not Bill Burr, the comedian, Bill Barr.
	And he was like, you called him a fat sellout, something like that.
	And Trump looks down like, oh, I've really done it.
	And everyone who's ever worked for the guy now hates him.
	Yeah, a bunch of lawyers resigned after he got hit with these federal things.
	Oh, I will say this.
	There's another reason, too.
	I forgot to mention this, why I want to vote for him.
	I need to vote for him as well.
	The only way I see him beating this federal case, because they got him pretty dead to rights.
	I read through the indictment.
	Dude, even if he says I declassify the documents, it doesn't matter because defense intelligence information, defense, DFI, defense intelligence information, whatever it may be, right?
	Which you can't have or disclose.
	Yeah.
	The only way I see him beating this is he's gonna need to drag out the federal case as long as possible, right?
	Bunch of suppression hearings, you know, challenge this, challenge that, etc.
	Press it out as long as he can, get to the election, win the election, and then, I don't know if you can do this, gotta look it up.
	Pardon himself.
	Pardon himself.
	Or you get to, DeSantis basically said he would pardon him.
	Vivek said he would pardon him.
	I think there's...
	Will he?
	Will DeSantis pardon Trump?
	Yeah, for sure.
	Yeah, I think because that would be the...
	If DeSantis became president, that's then the ultimate move of how do you unify the party and actually unify the country is...
	Well, I get it that the hysteric anti-Trump people won't be unified, but you could say to all of the Trump people...
	Like, this is the thank you for everything.
	We're not here to destroy you.
	We appreciate your support.
	Let's make America great again.
	It's just going to be a different guy at the head of the operation.
	And to me, the thing with DeSantis more than anything else is name one politician you can think of in our lifetimes or before us.
	Also, his policy on killing pedophiles.
	Which I think, did we officially sign that?
	I don't think he proposed it.
	I don't know if it's officially signed.
	Right, because I think our legislative session is done now, but I think he's proposed it and it'll go into the next one in the fall.
	But that's your death penalty thing, and I think it's a perfectly principled.
	I really do.
	I think he did a fantastic job with Florida.
	The point at the end of the day, COVID and everything else, name one guy, whoever, name one thing he has set out to do that he has not done.
	Hmm.
	I don't know enough to call on a claim.
	One policy he said he was going to do, one claim that he was going to open up Florida.
	He did.
	It was only the mayor of Miami that, you know, kind of closed the city.
	I'm going to go after Disney.
	I'm going to go after the giant, the biggest, one of the biggest corporations in the world, but also the number one private employer in the state.
	Who does that?
	And he did it, and it worked, and then he won by a landslide.
	Every single thing the guy has said he was going to do, he's done.
	So I think there's every reason to believe.
	When right now, he's saying we're going to go in and we're going to blow apart these three-letter agencies, I believe he's going to do it.
	Because there's no reason not to believe him.
	Where Trump now is just unfortunately caught in he wants to beat DeSantis so badly that he's willing to lie about everything that we all know.
	Like, if you're sitting there watching Trump and you're believing that New York was better about COVID... Then Florida, it's like, man, he's really got you by the balls.
	Yeah, New York is not.
	I mean, they're still wearing masks now.
	I was there last month, and they're still fucking wearing masks!
	What the fuck?
	So, just so I can summarize what I think as well, I think Trump is a great person because he is anti-establishment, and at the same time, is able to say, you know what, I believe these things, I'll go for this.
	However, just to make this more apparent as well, he is at a point where he's being attacked by the media, left and right, so At a holistic standpoint, he doesn't look like the best candidate.
	So I think that wasn't a factor as well as him maybe saying these things about DeSantis.
	It would be a better bet.
	But like you said before, from what you're saying as well, DeSantis does have a record of doing what he said he's going to do, and he executes.
	Similar policies without all the bad press.
	And the federal case, that's what has me worried.
	Dude, I literally have put people in jail for that violation.
	I know that they got him dead to rights.
	Defense intelligence information, whether it's classified or not, If he goes to trial, he's going to lose.
	So the only way he's going to be able to beat this is he's going to have to pardon himself.
	Yeah, I don't know the answer to that.
	I heard somebody talking about it online today, this thing about can you pardon yourself.
	But I think you have a better bet to be pardoned by somebody who has a vested interest in you being pardoned.
	That's good.
	I didn't know that DeSantis would pardon him.
	Oh, he said it the other day.
	I figured that since they hate each other right now, he'd be like, no, fuck that.
	I want to meet.
	He also said he wouldn't extradite him, you know, when the New York thing happened.
	He said he wasn't going to extradite him from Florida.
	So I think DeSantis has played this right.
	And you also got to imagine.
	Yeah, the New York charges are bullshit.
	I'm not worried about that.
	No, the New York thing is nothing.
	But, you know, there's also this Georgia case, which I don't know a ton about, but everybody keeps saying that there's a lot of teeth to it.
	So it's like there's just going to be more and more of this.
	They're going to die for January 6th, too.
	Damn.
	Where's that gonna come from?
	Probably federal.
	Probably federal.
	They're gonna definitely indict him for the January 6th bullshit.
	Like, they're trying to pile everything in.
	That's another thing, too, why I support him.
	I'm like, damn, like, they're really trying to fucking end this dude off of, like, because he's anti-establishment.
	They're really trying to, like, fucking end him.
	Like, the bullshit in New York, falsifying business records, when I looked into that, that was bullshit.
	They got this federal case now with the documents, and then they're gonna go after him for the January 6th.
	And yeah, George, I completely forgot about that with the voter stuff.
	Yeah.
	I do want to one day meet DeSantis too.
	I kind of feel him out.
	But yeah, I think he's a good candidate.
	I'm telling you, he's just a good dude.
	As long as one of them gets in.
	I've said it before.
	Even before you came on.
	As long as one of them gets in, dude, we're good.
	Because yeah, RFK, I like him too.
	But there's a lot of...
	I don't like the way he sounds.
	You know what I mean?
	People are going to be lame.
	You know he has a medical disorder.
	It's not just...
	He actually has some sort of condition related to it.
	But yeah, if RFK ends up...
	It's not going to happen.
	But if RFK ends up the president, is that a Hell of a lot better than Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or Gavin Newsom.
	If Gavin Newsom becomes president, I'm probably going into hiding.
	He is not happy with me.
	I got audited by the state.
	I know I told you before, three days after the recall ends, I campaigned against the guy.
	I got audited by the state three days later.
	That is what they do.
	They use the weapons of the state to take out their political opponents.
	Dude, they killed John F. Kennedy Jr., bro.
	Yeah, you're gonna be next.
	You're gonna have to go to Russia, bro.
	Just when I'm digging it here in Florida.
	Here, I'll hit some of these chats real quick.
	Yo, guys, also, real quick, like the goddamn video.
	We got almost 5,000 y'all in here.
	Like the video, man.
	We get a lot of haters.
	Yeah, this is a great base talk.
	Enigma goes, DeSantis is a Jeb Bush plant.
	So for that alone, Trump 2024.
	It's just nonsense.
	You know why people say that?
	Because at the inauguration, I was there when he just got re-elected.
	Jeb was the freaking governor of Florida.
	They put him on the stage.
	Or Trump keeps saying, okay, he's a Paul Ryan buddy.
	DeSantis came out the other day.
	He said, I've met the guy once.
	Once in my life.
	That's it.
	It's like, there's a zillion videos of Trump saying he loves Paul Ryan.
	Like, come on.
	Come on.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hi, Dave.
	I made sure not to burn your book.
	Much appreciated.
	Thanks.
	Much appreciated.
	Ken Rose, five bucks.
	Appreciate that.
	Alpha Mendes goes, I was broke working a retail job when I first watched you guys.
	And after like almost three years now, I make 130K a year.
	I'm in way better shape.
	And I watch my calories and I drive a C8. So thank you for looking out.
	Good job, bro.
	That's what it's about.
	That's awesome.
	Minus the C8. Michaka.
	If mine was a rapper, his name will be Osama Bin Spittin'.
	Also Stevie Wonder, see Fresh.
	Okay, I appreciate that, my friend.
	Do you still do call-in shows?
	Would love to call and talk to you.
	Yeah, we will do a call.
	Maybe we'll do a call-in show this Friday, actually.
	You know, I can't say too much on this, but on the local side, we're working on this.
	Call-in situation.
	That'd be good, man.
	Leave it at that.
	But we got something, yeah, seriously.
	We could probably do that in Columbia or something like that.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	Myron, give your take on Tate Chargers, Alex.
	You guys know, I already told y'all, like, the charge is the best thing that could have happened, guys, because now they have to reveal the files.
	They have to show the evidence now.
	So it's a good thing that the charges came out, guys.
	And the Tates, they'll beat it, man.
	Don't worry, guys.
	Mr.
	Rubin, you were once a classical liberal.
	We have liberals in our chat.
	Can you explain in crude detail as to why you switched the right?
	Read Don't Burn This Book.
	The whole book is a defense of classical liberalism.
	I still agree with everything I said there.
	It's just that defending my liberal values has become a conservative position.
	That's the line.
	Derek the Trader, question to the panel.
	How bad does the homeless problem need to get in California before things change?
	For example, Los Angeles was a homeless population of 70k.
	San Francisco has 40k.
	Many people avoid these cities now.
	Have you guys been to San Francisco lately?
	I have not been to San Fran, but we went to LA and every single time we go to LA, we get the fuck out of there after, dude.
	If you think LA is bad and LA is bad, San Francisco is, I am legend.
	It is the walking dead.
	It is...
	It is out of control.
	It is a zombie apocalypse.
	People doing crack meth I don't even know what.
	Fentanyl, I guess, they're doing.
	Why are they San Fran of all places, though?
	It's so expensive to live there.
	It's like, why are they there?
	Well, because progressives start doing crazy things like decriminalizing drugs, and we're not going to arrest you for petty crimes.
	Up to $2,000, right?
	Well, I think in L.A., I think it's up to $985, which means you can walk into Best Buy, you could steal a PlayStation 5, and what could you get?
	Six games?
	How much is a game worth?
	Well, you gotta get to the door and be like, I'm right over the edge on this one.
	Okay, I'll put back, I don't know what, Call of Duty.
	I don't know what people are saying anymore.
	Yeah, 67.
	Man, that's crazy.
	San Francisco.
	So I was there a couple weeks ago.
	I had a meeting with Elon.
	Very exciting.
	It was very cool.
	But think about this.
	I'm up at the Twitter offices.
	It's on Market Street, which used to be...
	That's basically the center of San Francisco.
	I'm standing there with the world's richest man.
	We're standing at the window and he's like, look, that's where they're all selling the fentanyl right there.
	It's...
	It's twisted beyond imagination.
	Just go on Twitter and see some of the videos.
	You literally dead people.
	People that either appear to be dead or are dead.
	I mean, I went, so I was walking around.
	They kept pushing my meeting with Elon further and further back.
	Obviously, he's very busy.
	So at one point, I was like, I got to eat something.
	So everything is closed and looks disgusting, by the way.
	People wearing masks all over the place.
	It's closed?
	During the day, clothes...
	I'm telling you, it is not...
	It should be the lead story on every news program every day, what's going on in San Francisco.
	Anyway, I was like, I gotta find something to eat.
	Let me find the fanciest steak place, because I was like, there's gotta be something that seems somewhat clean.
	So I found a Mastro's Steakhouse.
	I'm sure you guys have been to Mastro's.
	Primo's Steakhouse.
	I walk up to it.
	As I'm getting to the awning, there's three guys cooking fentanyl or something, and I just left.
	That's the level.
	What the fuck?
	Bro!
	Clown world, man.
	Can you imagine what they put on the news?
	Africa's terrible.
	Don't go to Africa.
	Don't go to San Fran!
	You guys can pull up Twitter right now.
	If you go to my pinned tweet, I put up a thread when I met Elon, and in one of the threads, it's like five or six down, I put up a video of what it was like to walk right outside of Twitter.
	It's insane.
	Let's pull it up.
	Chris, can you pull it up on the side?
	Or Moe?
	All right, what do we got here?
	Elman Howard.
	Gin goes, show is about to be renamed Fab and Fit.
	Appreciate that.
	Derek the Trader, question to the panel.
	Oh, no, I read that one.
	Elman Howard.
	Elman Howard goes, shout out to FNF gang.
	Just got through crushing leg day in the gym.
	Keep adding value to men everywhere.
	No days off.
	Not even on my B-Day.
	Where can it be my absolute best every day?
	That's what we're talking about, bro.
	It can't be a fat piece of shit.
	Make every day your birthday, bro.
	Wayne, question for Dave.
	Do you expect that Rumble will eclipse YouTube sometime in the future?
	Yes.
	Yes, it will.
	Look, so what happened was I created Locals.
	We ended up merging with Rumble.
	I will tell you 100% honestly, I sold for all stock.
	I did not take a dime because I believe in the company.
	I believe in the fight for free speech.
	We do too.
	Not only is Rumble, you know, people always think of Rumble just as a YouTube replacement, but it's also an Amazon AWS replacement.
	You know, that's the underbelly of the internet.
	So like when Parler got blown up after January 6th, that's just because Amazon could literally swipe something and just blow them up, literally destroy...
	Rumble's building incredible cloud servers all over the place.
	I think it'll be launched fully.
	Unlike Kik.
	Kik has a huge other...
	Yeah, I don't even want to get into that.
	Their servers are by somebody else, unlike Rumble has their own.
	Exactly.
	So Amazon cannot take Rumble down.
	Amazon cannot take Locals down.
	And that's what we're going to be bringing.
	There's going to be a much bigger B2B version of it.
	Starting next year.
	So there's a huge, huge opportunity there.
	And we'll just build new things.
	You know, YouTube will keep...
	Look, what did YouTube do just three days ago?
	Jordan Peterson interviewed RFK Jr.
	They took it down.
	Oh, they took it down.
	Yeah.
	Guess what?
	RFK Jr.
	launched his Rumble channel yesterday.
	So it's all happening.
	If you build...
	Well, let me guess.
	Would they take them down from COVID misinformation?
	Yeah, COVID misinformation.
	Of course.
	Dude, of course.
	It's wild how, like, Yeah, YouTube, if they keep going this route, right, where they're, like, silencing...
	And it's crazy, too, because, like, they just keep silencing, like, conservative commentators a lot of the times.
	YouTube's gonna fuck itself up if they keep doing this.
	Well, they do so many things backwards.
	And look, if you're gonna build something and be in tech, then it's good for you.
	And you guys, obviously, you know how to build, like, literally build this studio, like...
	People will always...
	That's the beauty of capitalism.
	It's the beauty of human ingenuity.
	People always figure out a way to build a better mousetrap and do something.
	But, you know, YouTube does a lot of perverse things because it's one thing when they just blow your channel up and then it's very obvious.
	Okay, you've got to strike.
	You can't live stream this and that.
	The other thing that they do...
	I don't know that they do it as much now as they used to, but they used to demonetize you if you talked about anything controversial.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They're not hitting me as hard on that anymore.
	I think in a weird way, because they know I'm associated with Rumble now, they're a little afraid to hit me because then it just pushes everything in a very obvious way.
	But they made for years, if I talked about abortion, if I talked about race, if I talked about gender, demonetize.
	And what that does is that's not censorship.
	Would they fully demonetize or would they hit you with the yellow?
	Oh no, usually we would get fully demonetized.
	So I'd have 500,000 views on a video and you'd get literally five cents or something like that.
	And it's not even about the demonetization for the audience there.
	They don't push your video as hard if it's demonetized.
	That's the biggest problem with the demonetization.
	No, no, you finish it for me.
	So then they hurt the views because you're then kicked out of the algorithm.
	But also then as a creator, at the end of the day, people do want to make a dime.
	So it's a soft censorship because they're not blowing you up and saying you can't talk about this.
	But they're basically being like, oh, run your business, but don't make a dime on your business.
	And then over time, You will actually start censoring yourself because you'll be like, oh, I would like to make a dime.
	That's literally why I started Locals.
	Because I was like, I can't be dependent on YouTube's ad rev.
	Let me find my fans.
	Let them throw in a couple bucks.
	I'll give them some perks for it.
	And again, it's just freaking awesome that you guys are on there.
	Here's a perfect example.
	Like Stephen Crowder, right?
	He fought with YouTube forever.
	And what was it for?
	For the election stuff.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	He would say, oh, the election was a scam, blah, blah.
	They immediately hit him with a strike.
	I remember for a while, like, if you mention anything about the election with Trump losing and it being rigged, like, bro, you're getting a strike immediately.
	Now...
	They recently...
	Now they said you're allowed to do it.
	You can talk about the election now, but I remember Crowder had a big fight with YouTube about this, and that's a big reason why he actually went to Rumble.
	He's on Rumble, and Mug Club is local.
	For him, they white-labeled it, but it's locals.
	So it's wild to me how...
	I mean, if YouTube is gonna, you know, wanna continue to be the top video streaming platform, like, you gotta, you can't silence people, bro.
	Like, it's just not gonna be, but again, they have so many people involved, so many investors, right?
	They're in California.
	It's like, ah.
	But we could be real here.
	Who's really pulling the strings at YouTube?
	Do we know?
	I think there's all sorts of ways you could look at it, like, you know, these giant corporations like BlackRock and Vanguard with ESG and all of this, like, there's some, like, conspiracy version of that, but I don't think it's a total conspiracy.
	I kept saying years ago, like, five years ago, you can find videos of mine where I was like, none of this makes sense.
	Why would you be demonetized?
	If people are creating something that someone wants to click, as a business, you want people to use your product.
	So, at some point, I felt that the shareholder's Are you guys watching Secession or did you watch it by any chance?
	No, I never saw it.
	Well, at some point, the shareholders have a right To fight you, because if you as the company are not doing your fiduciary responsibility, if you're not doing everything you can to maximize profits, the shareholders who bought in can actually sue you.
	I really thought that was going to end this.
	It didn't work out that way, but I think they got that crazy video.
	So check this out.
	I took this literally outside of Twitter offices.
	So Elon Musk is upstairs, the world's richest man.
	Wait, look at this.
	I can't believe you guys haven't seen these types of videos.
	Watch this.
	I tried to stay away from Twitter.
	Look at this.
	Oh, what the fuck?
	This is a tiny portion.
	What?
	Bruh.
	Bro.
	But that's my uncle!
	I'm just kidding.
	Chris!
	Your brother, Chris!
	He's a bum!
	Bro, I remember...
	It goes on and on and on.
	I remember, like, 10, 15 years ago, people used to pride San Francisco on, like, being clean, and, you know...
	Wow, dude.
	You know who is the mayor of San Francisco?
	Who?
	Gavin Newsom.
	Oh yeah, oh yeah, fuck.
	I mean, Gavin Newsom, he was the mayor of San Francisco.
	He had a 10-year plan to end homelessness.
	That's what you got out of it.
	Then, because he has Democrat privilege, which is the only privilege that exists in the United States, he becomes governor of California, ruined California, and he's trying to ruin the United States.
	Oh my goodness, bro.
	Schwarzenegger did a better job.
	Ah, man.
	Goddamn.
	Alright.
	El California, bro.
	I've been saying this since 2020.
	Yo, if you're in California, get the fuck out of there, bro.
	We went a couple times, bro, and I cannot wait to leave.
	It's fake people here that just care about clout and being popular.
	In LA. It's dirty as hell.
	It's a lot of homeless people.
	No offense to them.
	I wish them the best.
	And then thirdly, bro, legit the taxes, bro?
	Real estate?
	Oh, we didn't even talk about the other thing that no one talks about.
	It's dangerous with the gang.
	There's a gang problem.
	Huge gang problem.
	Todd, to your point, bro, wearing a watch like this or maybe a bracelet or even like a nice little chain, give you a ring.
	I got nothing.
	Niggas over there are hungry.
	So it's like, over there, bro, you're a target at all times.
	And they have guns.
	They have guns.
	If you're...
	And here's the other thing, too.
	No one wants to talk about this.
	If you're, like, a minority celebrity in L.A., you're going to need to align yourself with either the red or the blues to some degree for some type of protection.
	Y'all don't believe me?
	Look at any celebrity that lives in L.A. that's not getting robbed.
	They align themselves with some type of game because that's just how it is, bro.
	And fuck that shit, man.
	Gang culture runs L.A. Okay.
	Let's go.
	Emmanuel Christensen goes, The Young Turks is trash.
	Shout out to Dave.
	Have you and Jimmy...
	Thank you.
	How are you with Jimmy Dore?
	Yeah, you know, you guys know Jimmy Dore?
	No.
	Jimmy Dore is a lefty.
	He was on The Young Turks with me.
	Then he left The Young Turks too, and he's become super popular.
	Yeah.
	We had a somewhat of a falling out when I left because it's just, you leave a network, it's kind of rough.
	Of course, yeah.
	But I'm very happy to say that a little bit before COVID lockdowns and all hell broke loose, we made amends.
	We had dinner one night.
	We're not really in touch in that way, but I have no problem with him, and I'd be happy to do a show, and he could do my show anytime and be fine.
	Sweet.
	Shout out to Ruben.
	I've been following you since our Tommy Sotomayor interview almost seven years ago.
	I learned how the left weaponized racism to control blacks.
	That's absolutely true.
	You interviewed Tommy Sotomayor in here?
	Yeah, a long time ago.
	We used to do something called YouTube Week where I would just find like five random YouTubers.
	We'd just try to find people, you know, like a gamer or a race guy or whatever it was and just grab different...
	That's awesome.
	Tommy's a legend.
	Yeah, we brought him on our show several times.
	Yeah, people were pissed after me about that because I guess...
	Well, I guess he said some weird things about days after, and I was like, I don't know.
	It didn't come up when I chatted with him.
	Like, what do you want me to do?
	And I think that's important, being willing to, like, talk to people that you might not necessarily agree with or people that are like...
	Because so many people are scared to talk to certain individuals, right?
	Like, I mean...
	You know, it is what it is.
	But to some point, they do have their own way of the truth.
	And I think just hearing them talk, we can agree on some things, but disagree on others.
	Yeah.
	The one thing that I learned about by being an interviewer, the thing that I've learned the most, I would say, is that if you let somebody talk, if you just let them talk, you don't freaking break them.
	You just let them talk.
	If they know what they're talking about, it will become pretty obvious and hopefully you'll learn a little something along the way.
	And if they don't, you watch them freaking tie the noose.
	You can actually see it happen.
	And they will do it to themselves and that's it.
	That's why I've always, you know, people use, my biggest criticism used to be Ruben's a softball interviewer.
	And I was like, well, everybody else is freaking yelling at everybody, fighting everything else, which is kind of funny because now I can't get anyone on the left on my show.
	We went to D.C. about two months ago.
	I got a studio for two days.
	We reached out to every Republican you could think of.
	We reached out to every Democrat.
	I got every Republican.
	From Kevin McCarthy, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, we got everybody.
	I think 16 out of 18.
	The only two that didn't, Mitch McConnell had fallen the day before, so he had to cancel.
	Oh, and actually we didn't get Rand Paul that day because his staffer got freaking mugged, almost stabbed to death on the street.
	So he had to cancel.
	You know how many Democrats we got?
	We asked about 20.
	Zero.
	The only one who even responded is the one that I hate the most, Rashida Tlaib.
	But she at least said no.
	I was like, oh, I'll at least honor the fact that you responded.
	You gave me something.
	But the irony of me being what I'm considered a softball interviewer And you're afraid to sit down with me.
	So it's like...
	Says a lot.
	Yeah, it does.
	I mean, we get that critique too, but I think there's like a firm line between like having a guest on and respecting their views, right?
	Versus like trying to ambush them.
	And we learned that from the Flavor interview.
	Oh yeah, you guys are telling me.
	Like getting ambushed and shit.
	So my thing is like...
	What were they trying to get you on?
	So we made some comments, right?
	We said, you know, we don't dabble in the dark.
	Ha ha ha, right?
	Like when it comes to dating practices with chicks.
	Yeah.
	And they tried to like use that to virtue signal.
	And there was one guy off camera that was like trying to like, you know, say some shit, which I found out after the fact he doesn't even date black chicks.
	I'm like, what the Like, bro, y'all try to see your virtue signal.
	And then Akash has made jokes on black women before.
	So, like, I was like, yo, aren't y'all supposed to be flagrant?
	Aren't you guys supposed to be, like, comedians?
	And, like, the fact that they were virtue signaling about, like, black women and all this other shit, I'm like, bro, like, y'all, this is weak.
	They wanted us to apologize on the show to everybody and say we were wrong.
	And ultimately, it depends on the views.
	And I think, to be real with you, that whole podcast itself was a setup to make us look bad.
	Yeah.
	So ever since then, I made a vow.
	I'm like, I'm never going to bring someone on my fucking platform and try to fucking, like, do some bullshit like that.
	So, yeah.
	I mean, yeah.
	I mean, hey, we've had some discussions right now.
	I mean, I like Trump.
	He likes DeSantis.
	You know, but I do like that.
	But you're voting for DeSantis, so it all works out.
	We'll see.
	We'll see.
	I think I didn't know that he would that he would.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Check it.
	Pardon him.
	Pardon him if something happened.
	So that's actually good to know.
	If Trump can't actually pardon himself.
	The Alpha Widow, Trump 2024, free top G. Shout out to you.
	Canada officially changed.
	Teachers at every level have been aggressive about students accepting pronouns.
	We're also out of consequences.
	I've seen people literally go to jail for saying he and her only.
	We got a man of God who goes, think about this.
	FNF merges with value attainment.
	Thoughts?
	No, man, I don't think that's going to happen, but shout out to Patrick, but David, all those guys, man, the homies are right up the road in Fort Lauderdale, so man, shout out to them, man.
	Did you see my guy, Phoenix, here, my producer, told me on the way here that Adam Sosnick, you know, his sidekick co-host, whatever you want to call him, apparently he was banned on Instagram today for posting the picture with tape.
	Yeah, they banned him for, well, hold on, hold on.
	Let me get this clear.
	Was it a real ban or someone paid to get him banned?
	Oh, is that a thing?
	No, no, it was a real ban.
	It was a real ban.
	Because he was verified.
	So it was a real ban.
	Wow.
	It was because of Andrew.
	How, though?
	Hey, Andrew, bro.
	I'm not surprised.
	All of us post Andrew.
	Yeah, but, I mean, my photo hasn't been...
	It's been a while.
	I mean, my shit might get bad, too, but whatever.
	But, yeah, it's Andrew, bro.
	I think it's because that recent interview did such big numbers.
	You know what it is, too, as well?
	What?
	The media attention, and they were the ones...
	Yes, they were the ones that interviewed him.
	So they say, oh, look at these guys.
	Yeah.
	Introspect.
	And they're posting shorts and clips a lot, so it's like, okay, at some point, it's like, you know what I mean?
	Back-to-back.
	Okay, cool.
	The thing is, I've noticed with Andrew, they're trying to literally cancel him off everything.
	Even us!
	We can't really post Andrew like that.
	They took our videos down on him.
	You can do it on Rumble.
	You can do it on Rumble.
	Simple as that.
	Guys, go on rumble.com.
	I know some of y'all are like, yo, why'd your Andrew Tate videos get taken down?
	YouTube took them down!
	YouTube took them down.
	You know what I mean?
	We actually got a strike one time for having Andrew Tate videos.
	Which is crazy.
	Yeah, so, you know, it is what it is, man.
	He's a homie, though, so we're not going to stop supporting him.
	Thanks, FNF. What you do because of you.
	I'm 6'2", 188 pounds of muscle.
	Quit chasing 304s.
	Focus on my bag.
	Just bought Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Double Balance.
	Wheel Open Work Black Ceramic 300K. Watch.
	How about Donna Marco?
	Hey, nigga, you got to pay $100 to get Donna Marco.
	We got you.
	Hey!
	Sorry, Dave.
	It's Trump's turn.
	Trump 2024.
	Look, if Trump ends up my president instead of Joe Biden, it will be just fine.
	Oh, I got DeSantis as a governor, and I got...
	Like I said, if either one of them gets in office, I'm good.
	What do we got here?
	Last four, because Dave's got to go, guys.
	Kidnapping, 20 bucks.
	Hey, Dave, love seeing you meeting up with FNF. You've come a long way from Larry Elder stumping you on police brutality.
	Always loved your humility.
	Yeah, and I think that was great.
	Because a lot of people would use that and they'd be like, oh, I'm not going to...
	I mean, the fact that you're the one that put it out, that's fucking awesome.
	Best and worst moment at the same time.
	Idiots on the News said Andrew Tay had 21 million BTC. That's mainstream media for y'all.
	Apparently he has 21 million in BTC, not 21 million Bitcoin.
	That'd be a slightly different number.
	Emmanuel Christensen, good argument.
	I am concerned DeSantis does not have enough incentive to go after the intelligence community apparatus.
	The deep state needs to be dug up to deal with any of the foundational corruption between corporations and gov.
	You know, RFK gave a really good on Rogan, a really good interview, which actually is good because Rogan's on Spotify.
	He didn't have to deal with fucking them taking down his interview.
	And RFK talked about why he thinks his dad, excuse me, his uncle, John F. Kenny Jr.
	was killed.
	And, you know, We made some very valid points being against the military industry complex, the Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam, you know, yeah.
	He stood for something that they didn't want to be apparent for the whole country.
	Lose a lot of money.
	To get rid of him like that means he was a threat to their agenda.
	An anti-war Democrat.
	They used to be anti-war.
	Their agenda would have been thwarted or somewhat punted by him, so they took him out.
	Yep, so...
	Black Panther, just like a great player doesn't always translate to being a great coach, a great governor may not always translate to a great president.
	Procedures are different from states and federal levels.
	What's your take on that?
	Well, I'd say the governor is the chief executive of the state, and the president is the chief executive of the country, so it's way better than having a senator or a congressman come in.
	You've got a guy who already has been running the corporation, so to speak.
	So I think if you're going to have someone that was a politician before, a governor is the best guy.
	And again, a guy that...
	If someone can come up with it, what has he said he was going to do that he did not do?
	I just don't know the answer.
	There's no president school, guys.
	It's not like you can be prepared to become president.
	If you watch Air Force One stone backwards, I'm pretty sure that'll do it.
	Maybe that'll help.
	But I'll say this.
	If you look at anyone that's taken office, look at Obama when he came in in 2008 versus when he left.
	Look at George W. Bush when he came in versus when he left.
	Every president, you can see the wear on their face when they leave office, man.
	Like, it's a very stressful job.
	Very difficult.
	I mean, your geopolitics, dude, it's fucking, it's wild.
	It's wild, man.
	Trust me, it's not a job that anyone can really handle.
	You just tolerate it and deal with it to a degree.
	Anything else?
	Where can I find your brother?
	Yeah.
	RubenReport.locals.com.
	Bam.
	Bam.
	That's it.
	And you guys are going to see us on Ruben Report, too.
	Don't worry.
	I'm inviting myself on the show.
	You 100% are welcome.
	Yeah.
	I just want to say, you guys are fantastic, gracious hosts and clearly good people.
	I want to go out in Miami one night.
	Let's see if we can get gay bashed and racist bashed.
	Yeah, let's do it.
	Let's do it, man.
	Let's do it, man.
	Woo!
	Can we try to pick up the girls?
	Can we try to pick up the guys?
	Well, you're married, so never mind.
	I'm married, I'm married.
	Yeah, it'll work.
	And by the way, thank you for having this only gross man under the table.
	She's been tickling my balls the whole time.
	It never moved, but I enjoyed it.
	Thank you.
	I'm going to give her $4.99 a month.
	God damn it.
	I thought we were going to try to convert him, but it didn't work.
	He's funny, man.
	Oh, well.
	Well, it is what it is.
	Guys, go check him out.
	I thought it was a chick.
	What are you going to do?
	All right, guys.
	We'll follow him in this morning as well.
	Hey, guys.
	We're going to be back with some girls here, man.
	He's got to go, but we'll catch you guys.
	You guys will probably see us on the Reuben Report here.
	Who knows?
	Yeah, soon.
	I'm not leaving because girls are coming.
	I'm not afraid of girls.
	You understand that?
	I just...
	You're like a real adult.
	You got kids and stuff.
	We weren't sure.
	We weren't sure, but...
	No, we know.
	He's like a real adult, man.
	Unlike us, bro.
	I just realized...
	Yeah, we're pretty much.
	Up late at night, playing with toys.
	Smashing hoes.
	Toys?
	Oh yeah, because you got nice cars.
	Yeah, I get what you mean.
	But anyway, guys, all day stuff says below.
	All those links are below.
	Go check them out, man.
	You guys are going to see us on the Ruben Report soon as well.
	And yeah, love you guys.
	We'll catch you guys on the next episode.
	Peace!

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