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May 10, 2023 - Fresh & Fit

02:20:42

What Is A High Value Man? HEATED Debate w/F&F, Destiny, Sneako & RolloTomassi

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	Guys, welcome to the Fresh Fit Podcast.
	We're here with two special guests, Destiny and Sneak On.
	You already know it's about to be an argument.
	Let's get into it.
	Let's go.
	What's up, guys?
	Well, it's a Fresh Fit Podcast regular edition.
	It's a quick announcement before we get into the show because we've got two special guests in the house.
	Rumble.com slash Fresh Fit Guys.
	We're on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and Rumble, as you guys already know.
	So we're everywhere right now.
	Well, except for Twitch because these guys are banned.
	So check us out on...
	Romo.com slash FreshFit.
	Also, FreshFit.locals.com.
	Guys, check us out over there as well if you want to go ahead and get some of the behind-the-scenes stuff.
	And we're also on Megaphone if you want to get the audio version of the podcast.
	Just make sure you wear headphones so you don't get fired at your job.
	Why is this?
	Oh, I can't say that word.
	Why is he trying to hold my hand?
	I don't know.
	What the heck?
	He doesn't earn this.
	I can do this.
	He didn't earn this.
	You got blocked.
	He did block me.
	What's up?
	It's not a very alpha move.
	Blocking?
	Yeah.
	That makes complete sense if you're just being, oh, look at you.
	I'm going to make fun of your dad's story by making my own dad's story.
	Please give me attention.
	I gotta ask, do you really think his dad's stories are real?
	100%.
	That he came home from school and found his dad in the lotus position playing chess against himself?
	I 100% believe that.
	If you've seen, like, the way that they respect his dad in his house, they have posters everywhere.
	They have a giant credit card thing.
	Can I make it through this, goddammit, already?
	Oh, follow us on Megaphone.
	You're going to get canceled at work.
	We heard this a million times.
	Buy the merch, whatever.
	Hey, hey, hey.
	Let me finish my goddamn ritual, all right?
	If we're on Rumble, I'd be saying some other...
	Well, Rumble only.
	All right, FreshFitPodcast.com.
	Get the merch over there.
	Also, check out our other YouTube channel, guys, FreshFit Clips.
	We post six clips, ten shorts per day.
	And then also, check out more FreshFit Clips and Fresh's Vlog channel.
	FreshFit Vlogs and Funny Shorts.
	Go check it out.
	And then Fed1811, guys, to get the true crime breakdown.
	I'm going to be dropping the Genovese crime family tomorrow.
	So you guys know I'm doing a mafia series.
	And the last episode I did was the pizza bomber back in 2003.
	It was like some sauce shit.
	They put a thing on his neck and made him go rob a bank with instructions.
	So go check that one out if you guys like true crime stuff.
	And also go get my book, Why Women Deserve Less.
	We got it on Audible, paperback, hardcover, and all.
	It's only 86 pages.
	Women deserve less.
	I just gave it to Salim, because Salim, he calls me a lot about girl problems.
	He talks to you about stuff like this, too.
	I'm like, bro, you really need to read this book.
	And he read some pages of The Beach.
	And his attention span is terrible, but he was actually starting to pay attention.
	I think he's going to finish it.
	Yeah, man.
	I mean, that's why I made it short, because it's targeted towards younger people.
	Yeah, retards, yeah.
	No, no, no, no.
	Well, it's towards younger people, because younger people don't like to read.
	Yeah, the shorts.
	Yeah, and then it's also on Audible if y'all wanted to, but...
	All right, cool, so...
	Why don't you do an audiobook of it, have you?
	Yeah, it's out.
	An audiobook?
	Yeah, and I narrated it as well.
	Beautiful.
	And there is an Easter egg in there.
	If you let microwaves, you might hear it.
	All right, moving on, smartly.
	I want you to voice your own book.
	I will!
	I'm not perfect!
	No, no, no.
	Network, bro!
	I'm not perfect!
	I'll get it done, though.
	Alright.
	Yo, let me know who you guys are, but welcome to the goddamn show.
	I see you guys all the time, but yeah, go ahead and introduce yourselves.
	Welcome back.
	No, go ahead.
	Ladies first show.
	Yeah, that's you.
	Robo.com slash Nico.
	Make sure to follow.
	I'm doing pretty well over there, Ben, on most things.
	You guys already know.
	It's going to be back, and I look forward to this debate today.
	I just had a long vasectomy surgery.
	I'm a little bit sore, a little bit tired.
	I can't stand properly, but I snipped up, and I'm ready to be a high-value man.
	Where's your approval here?
	It's coming tomorrow.
	Got it.
	Also, creativitykit.com.
	The second one is out now, right?
	The 2.0.
	What's the difference between the 2.0 and the 1.0?
	It's way better.
	New professors, the structure's better, and people are happier with it.
	The first one was a little bit of a mess.
	It was more childish, but this one we have, it's more professional.
	You have exclusive meetups.
	I see on the Twitter videos, you hang out with your dudes sometimes, right?
	Yeah, we're doing a meetup in Miami soon.
	Actually, people have been doing meetups in the Creativity Kit on their own.
	They've set up their own dinners and stuff like that without even me controlling it.
	It's been cool to see people find like-minded individuals because the number one bonus about that is the fact that a lot of people in their hometown, they just have a bunch of losers and they just kind of bring each other down.
	They're not really progressing.
	So you need to go find people online that have similar ideas.
	And it's hard to find that immediately if you don't have clout.
	I think groups like this are really helpful for those people.
	What is the cost in that?
	Creativity Kit 2.0.
	Same price.
	What is that?
	$50 a month.
	Less than a cup of coffee a day.
	I'm at youtube.com slash destiny.
	I don't have a creativity kit yet, but I'm working on it.
	You should speak in it.
	They would like to hear from you.
	And yeah, anytime.
	Invite me over.
	Instagram.com slash destiny as well.
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	That's all I got for now.
	Okay.
	Lovely.
	Okay.
	Y'all rush us through that just to say that.
	Okay.
	Fantastic.
	Okay.
	Well, to get into the debate, it said, oh, the megaphone, plug, plug, plug.
	Whatever.
	They already know us, right?
	Do we really need to say the links and stuff?
	I just got to say one thing, though, real quick, just so you know.
	What?
	The CEO network is better than Creativity Kit.
	Oh, God.
	What's the CEO network?
	CEO network.
	CEO. Well, they're different.
	They're not for the same.
	I'm messing with you.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Do you guys have like your own thing?
	Is that what you guys have?
	I've spoken to CEO Network.
	It's just like his freshest private network.
	People come and...
	How much do they charge a month?
	200.
	Damn.
	So 50 a month.
	Sneeko speaks in your guys' shit and his shit.
	One-fourth the price.
	I know.
	Damn.
	Sell your shit.
	Why is it four times more?
	We're more value here, though.
	Yeah?
	Is it?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Incredible.
	Okay.
	Damn.
	I heard he knew where this is going.
	Alright.
	Alright, let me go ahead and hit the chats real quick, and then we'll get into the topic, because we've got a couple things we're going to cover on today's show, guys.
	Okay, Jared Choi, thank you so much.
	Shout out to the Genghis Khan, I think it means Genghis Khan, bloodline.
	Okay, shout out to you.
	We got Aman goes 50k a year in religious family or 300k with no family, GP versus RP. What's the GP? I don't know.
	Grandfather pill?
	What the fuck?
	Crentis the Dentist.
	Free guys, a free pal sign.
	Cool.
	Paginator goes, hope y'all have a great debation tonight, them boys.
	I looked it up.
	Happy wife, happy life should be replaced with happy king, happy kingdom by MLD. I agree.
	I agree.
	Marriage cause divorce.
	Does destiny have a prenup?
	If not, rest in peace.
	She came on my stream, and she was talking about how broke she is, and then she went to Hawaii, and then some guy took her money and stuff like that, and she was talking about how broke she was.
	Well, right now, the brokenness has to do with dealing with Swedish taxes, which will break anybody, but we're working on navigating through that situation.
	So you don't have a prenup, basically?
	Not yet.
	Not yet.
	You can have one.
	Do it, bro!
	10 years later, after my divorce, I'll be joining you guys.
	On more serious topics, though, actually, I do want to say, because like I said, Rip, I'll give a shout out to Donovan.
	I think you got the, is it the Debatacron version of COVID-19?
	The one where anytime you got a debate coming up, you get sick, so...
	Everybody pray for that guy.
	That is very funny.
	Jedediah said that all the Red Pill guys who are like in their 40s and 50s, they refuse to debate you.
	I'm like, why?
	Why are you guys so afraid?
	Most of the people who you're like, oh, this guy knows everything.
	He wrote a book.
	They won't even debate.
	They won't sit down and talk to you.
	I'm like, why?
	He is sick, though.
	No, it's not just him.
	There's like four or five people in the red pill space that just actually refuse to sit down and talk to him.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	Are we the only ones that talk to Destiny?
	Yes!
	They're all afraid.
	Destiny knows who I'm talking about.
	I'm like, come on, seriously?
	If you guys really hold your ideas that true to your heart, you should be able to have them challenged.
	You should be able to go and discuss them.
	Would it be way more fun, though, to just sit in front of a bunch of 22-year-old chicks and just shoot them all day?
	Wouldn't that be more fun?
	Easier?
	Maybe?
	Yeah?
	Yeah, but that's when it becomes this bitter place where it's like, bro, you're like 50 just talking to 20-year-old girls from college right now.
	Oh, so there's a 50-year-old person.
	Huh?
	No, I'm agreeing with you.
	I'm like, that's...
	At least talk to people of...
	I did see one great debate between Marquette and yourself.
	Who's Marquette?
	The Saint of Sinner.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, he got destroyed, man.
	Do you guys like these guys back there, or are you guys enemies back there?
	No, he got destroyed.
	He's a front horse.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	I can't even lie.
	Like, Destiny did destroy him.
	It's not the fact that I agree with what he's saying, but it's just, that was bad.
	I like sneak on.
	I said that as Redbill knew it.
	I'm like, bro, this is brutal right now because they always try to go extremely personal.
	Fair enough.
	Okay.
	We got here.
	They love Brandon.
	And then from this point forward, we already got 10,000 of y'all in here, man.
	We're going to go 20 plus and up.
	We'll show every single chat on the screen.
	Myron 304, panel L, Myron L, Fresh, L, Chris, W, Big Mo.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, sir!
	Okay.
	What else do we got here?
	Tombstone, sneak up, beloved husband, Destiny, blue hair, and shared my wife with another man.
	Okay, fantastic.
	What the fuck?
	And then he said, Destiny, prenup, and then what do we got here?
	Eric Johnson, from the bottom of my heart, I want to say thanks, FNF, especially, Myron.
	You have given back to me what I lost in a 10-year relationship.
	You are the father I never had.
	Authority, confidence, self-respect, return.
	Relationship with women restored.
	All right, man, great to hear that, bro.
	I appreciate that greatly.
	When Big Act coming back would be cool.
	Destiny and AK. That would be great to see.
	Dude, I fucking love...
	He likes watching your content, too.
	Yeah, I watch his shit, too.
	Bro, did you catch the shit where he was talking about his...
	Is it his ex, or are they still dating?
	Selena Powell?
	I don't know.
	Listen, man...
	Dude, when he was telling that story...
	She faked getting an abortion, right?
	She faked taking a plan B, okay?
	And so, they resolved their differences.
	There's so much drama to this.
	And then, like, I think a week later, after they'd figured everything out, she caught him fucking around again.
	And then she said, I didn't actually get the abortion, motherfucker.
	I tricked you because I knew you'd do this shit again.
	Dude, that whole story is the funniest fucking shit.
	I love DJ Academics.
	I told him from day one, she needs to go.
	But I get it.
	You know, there's some love there that can't be shaken or stirred.
	I wish him the best, you know?
	I love DJ because he's flawed as fuck, but he knows it.
	He's like, yeah, I fuck around, I fuck up.
	That's funny.
	I like the guy.
	At least he owns it, but I mean, that could have been avoided, though.
	And new Rumblers, isn't it pretty surprising you guys are all on Rumble, the fact that there's no press coverage of that?
	Jadeon's on Rumble, Academix on Rumble, you guys, that's like, why do they not talk about that?
	They're talking about Kick Kick all the time.
	The only streamer on Kick is Aiden.
	And non-stop, they're all obsessed about it, but Rumble's getting so many big streamers and you don't see any coverage.
	But who owns Kick?
	Yeah, Amazon.
	Hold on, that's not true.
	Well, it's hosted on Amazon Web Service.
	But it's Stake, right?
	Well, no, they rent space from Amazon servers.
	But if part of my site is hosted on AWS, I'm not part of Amazon.
	The reason why Kick gets more coverage is because Kick has mirrored itself as a partner site almost to Twitch.
	They're trying to copy the culture, they're trying to get the streamers out of it.
	Rumble is like its own thing on an island, so people don't think about it or talk about it as much.
	And it promotes free speech, basically.
	I mean, Kick definitely does, too.
	They do, but for now.
	Well, but that's everybody is for now.
	That's how it always works.
	You okay?
	Are we good now?
	No, the camera's out of focus.
	But even independent journalists, like all the Twitter people, like Dick Zerto, Keemstar, I think he might, but most people, they don't, the Twitter accounts, they just talk about Kick and they speculate who's going over there.
	Patrick Cici, all these people, they never mention Rumble.
	But that's because if you look at the kick acquisitions, the talent acquisition is all from Twitch, which is what everybody's talking about, right?
	Like, JDM was already banned on Twitch.
	I feel like, I could be wrong, but I feel like YouTubers don't get the same type of media attention as, like, Twitch streamers do.
	Academics are Twitch streamers.
	Academic's not a Twitch streamer.
	Really big on Twitch.
	No, no, but he's known as a YouTuber, though.
	Yeah, and in, like, the hip-hop scene and everything.
	I didn't even know he streamed on Twitch.
	He's known for that more than Twitch.
	And he did get, didn't he get, like, was it a Rolling Stones article where they said he was running a far-right site or whatever?
	Yeah, they said he's a white supremacist.
	Twitch is, like, private for people that love him.
	That's where they go.
	Everyone goes to YouTube for his commentary.
	So if you get labeled as a YouTuber, then they're not going to give press.
	We just don't think about YouTubers as much for some reason.
	Because Dexardo and all these sites came up all covering Twitch streamers.
	So whenever a Twitch streamer goes to Kik, it's a big deal.
	But if a Twitch streamer went to Rumble, it'd be a big deal.
	But all the Twitch streamers are fighting between Twitch and Kik right now.
	Rumble is like its own thing recruiting from outside that ecosystem, I think.
	How many Twitch streamers, besides me, well I'm not even because I got banned, how many Twitch streamers have gone to Rumble?
	Not a lot.
	But for Kick, like, Aiden is huge.
	I mean, I could argue that Judeon and academics and all these people are, but I'm just surprised that...
	Well, I'm basically trying to say that there's a media push against Rumble.
	They're very anti-Rumble.
	Even, like, when academic signs, they say white supremacists.
	When I take a picture with Trump, they say white supremacist ally takes a picture, like, Rumble streamer now, canceled streamer.
	It's labeled...
	The narrative that they're really trying hard to label Rumble as is this conspiracy right-wing site.
	Instead of actually talking about the fact that it's free speech and none of these sites are actually free speech, they really want to box it in and promote Kick.
	They got some crazy liberal people over there too, but they don't publicize that for obvious reasons.
	Russell Brand and Destiny?
	Rumble does.
	He's not even crazy liberal.
	He's crazy.
	But you would like him.
	My point is that Rumble, regardless of what side you stand on, they protect the free speech, which is what's good.
	Yeah, but they don't care about that.
	Well, obviously they don't care about that.
	But even the independent journalists.
	Yeah, but I don't even think they pretend to care about that anymore.
	Like the free speech stuff.
	Like they're pretty big on the we should censor bad stuff that is going to hurt a lot of people or whatever.
	Like they're full on on that.
	No one's going to pretend that like, oh yeah, we care about free speech at YouTube.
	YouTube doesn't care about that anymore.
	Journalists don't care about that anymore.
	But I will say Rumble does, they nurture relationships with people that they bring on.
	And that's very important because you could give people money, but you really mess with a person individually, that goes a long way on Rumble.
	Maybe, yeah.
	So...
	Alright, where are we at here?
	Yo, cameras need to be adjusted to a ghost exposure.
	My guy, Destiny, is translucent right now.
	Okay.
	It's out of focus sometimes.
	The one that's on you guys?
	Pale is a fucking ghost.
	Do you fix him?
	It's going in and out of focus.
	It's been good now.
	It's been good.
	Okay.
	Myron already fixed it.
	Okay.
	Destiny might be chosen one if he can bridge the gap between the delusional motherfuckers to reality, rooting for a promising future as well.
	Okay.
	Rensler goes men.
	Okay.
	James, he goes any chance of getting Alex Hermozzi on the podcast?
	Yeah, guys, reach out to him and tell him to hit us up, man.
	I don't have his contact info.
	I met him in Vegas, but...
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Mariner Fresh, please protect your podcast.
	A lot of people are copying you guys.
	It's corny at this point.
	Oh, no.
	Bro, we can't stop it, bro.
	It is what it is, bro.
	It is what it is, man.
	Destiny Fresh Fist Sneak on my birthday.
	Couldn't ask for better.
	Let's get it.
	Happy birthday, man.
	Happy birthday, my friend.
	I have a nine-to-five job, but wants to invest in rental property.
	What book do you suggest I read?
	Go ahead and get Rich Dad Poor Dad.
	Set for life.
	And then them boys, cha-ching.
	What new belief does Sneako have today?
	Okay.
	Do I really switch beliefs that much?
	I've been talking about Islam for like a year straight.
	He tweeted about it like seven years ago.
	Imagine a leaf blowing in the wind.
	Wherever the wind blows, the leaf goes.
	That is you, my friend.
	Okay, what ideologies have I latched onto besides...
	Bro.
	When anti-feminist and I was talking about religion for about a year and then I find a religion that I agree with and that makes sense to me logically and then I convert.
	Where is like, people say like, oh, he's always flip-flopping.
	Where else have I flip-flop?
	If you notice, right?
	Quick, specific question.
	I'm going into this.
	How did you start coming into this space?
	Red pill rage.
	Then you move from that to...
	What's next?
	Okay, now I'm enlightened.
	I'm not as angry anymore.
	Then you move from that to religion.
	Religion to other stuff.
	I'm just saying...
	That seems like a pretty clear trajectory.
	Isn't that a natural progression?
	I actually remember you guys saying it.
	He's in his red pill rage right now.
	You go through that and then you go to the next thing.
	You can't do red pill rage for 30 years.
	At the same time, you're standing on a point so hard that it looks weird because now it's like, okay, cool.
	He said this, but now he's saying this.
	So it looks really weird.
	Growth is weird?
	No, no, because you're like, this is how it is.
	Oh, no, no, tomorrow, this is how it is.
	But what have I changed my opinion on specifically?
	Like, people keep saying that, like, what opinions have I changed?
	I've always said that kids are the most important part of being alive.
	Always said that.
	Always?
	I've always said that family is the most important thing.
	At the very beginning?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I never said any...
	I can't...
	Like, if you could tell me specifically where I've changed my...
	Of course, like, I have a different philosophy for life.
	I have a more clear set of what I think the world should be governed by.
	But, like, what have I changed my opinion on?
	When I met you, you weren't focused on kids.
	You were focused on smashing girls.
	So I don't know what...
	Well, hey, excuse me.
	How do you get kids?
	No, no, no.
	But no kids were involved in this.
	Only Plan Bs.
	That's what you think.
	Yeah, I mean, I met you like when I was like 21.
	Yeah.
	Something like that.
	Yeah, you grow, you mature.
	Has it really been three years?
	Or I was 22.
	22.
	I was 22.
	Either way, I'm just saying, it looks like you say one thing, but then come past and you're like, on this way.
	Oh, but what have I changed my opinion on?
	You're not telling me.
	So we brought up the argument about Rolo's tweet, right?
	Oh, God.
	Right?
	You know what?
	Let's get into this.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'll come back to you.
	I think he's fucking up the show.
	I'm trying to get into something.
	Okay, okay, okay, okay.
	I wanted to cover the Trump thing.
	Then you guys can go ahead and argue.
	All right?
	Anonymous podcast.
	How is Nico a Tradcon when his girlfriend Kuro is on OF selling for $99?
	When did I say that?
	I don't know who's my girlfriend.
	I don't know who that is.
	I don't know.
	I don't know who that is.
	Zina the Witch, some heart emoji.
	Shout out to you, Zina.
	And then we got here, how do you define a 304?
	All I think is when she sleeps with a guy and without feeling emotional attachment, all girls are 304s until proven otherwise.
	Okay, SoulFist goes Destiny.
	I only have just over 2K subs.
	We'll love to interview.
	Could that be possible?
	That's from SoulFist.
	Moe?
	And then, I don't know.
	Would you ever collab with somebody on that level?
	He does.
	Usually if you say something really dumb, I usually scream at you and I'm like, let's argue about it.
	Silky Silco, shout out Destiny's wife's boyfriend.
	Mo, what the fuck you doing, man?
	Drinking off.
	What the fuck?
	And then, who is the blue-haired soy bucket?
	Okay, fantastic.
	And that's from Ross.
	Oh, you're lacking, Mo.
	And then, yeah, he's wondering if the panel would discuss ethics of bringing a child into the world with existential threats to humanity, like artificial general intelligence, climate change.
	What a retarded point.
	What a retarded liberal point.
	This is what all, like, the wokeies say, like, What about climate change?
	Why is that a valid reason to not have children?
	Retard psyop.
	That's exactly what the globalist agenda is.
	They want you to believe in this garbage.
	What about veganism?
	That has nothing to do with having kids.
	If you want to go fight the globalist agenda, have 10 kids on a farm.
	Homeschool them.
	Make them strong and autistic and schizo.
	And then give them training lessons.
	Give them some guns.
	Make them really smart.
	Make them outside.
	Don't let them use their phones.
	Don't let them on TikTok.
	And then you could be able to fight back.
	I don't understand.
	Isn't that the most red pill advice, though?
	Don't you want to have zero kids?
	Because every time you have a kid, women are going to use that in the family courts against you to steal all your money or whatever.
	Ten kids, that's like ten women or one woman that can get you for ten child support payments.
	Maybe that guy's actually more red pill than everybody here.
	What is the argument you're making now?
	Don't have kids because women will child support get you.
	Well, if you have a prenuptial agreement and you have certain things in place, you can mitigate the risk.
	Does it not protect you from child support?
	No, no, no.
	That won't.
	Exactly.
	But then you fight to get the custody of the children.
	Listen, we live in a hunter-gatherer society.
	We live in a hunter-gatherer society.
	Men are out here, okay, hunting and gathering, and women are just at home collecting resources.
	And by resources, I mean alimony and child support.
	This is true.
	Be careful.
	This is why you try to mitigate the custody of the children if you can.
	As much as possible, yeah.
	Alex Peralta, when John Stark again on pod, I heard he destroyed Destiny in the debate.
	Never heard of that?
	Hey, our Rest up and prayers for John Zerka.
	I heard that he's sick right now.
	No, he fucking lied.
	He's trolling?
	He's trolling?
	Yes, he fucking trolled about having leukemia.
	Damn, bro.
	Why would you do that?
	Because it's John Zerka.
	I had a whole moment on my stream.
	I'm like, pray for...
	He fucking plays sad Naruto music in the background while he's talking about it.
	That seems so genuine.
	If you watch it, you would believe it.
	Okay, fine.
	Destiny, your wife in Fresh's DMs, you don't want to worry, Fresh.
	I will take care of her professionally for a reasonable price, of course, and give her the ride of her life, respectfully.
	Bro, come on, man.
	Come on, bro.
	I mean, put respectfully at the end, so, you know, we're good.
	Bro, Destiny, what is with the hair?
	Is a woman magnet?
	Is it a woman magnet, basically?
	Oh.
	Yeah, for crazy chicks.
	Okay, fantastic.
	All right, so let's go ahead and hit the first topic.
	So we're about 20 minutes in, guys.
	So first and foremost, we got 15K, y'all watching.
	Do me a favor.
	Ah!
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	Actually, follow Destiny on Rumble.
	Forget his YouTube.
	Oh, yeah, you got Rumble too, right?
	Fuck Rumble YouTube.
	Follow me on Instagram, okay?
	Instagram.
	Your Instagram sucks.
	Listen, that's where the girls are, okay?
	Okay.
	And then...
	You think girls watch this?
	Apparently.
	Look at his page.
	Alright, so pull up the Donald Trump article.
	As you guys know, I want to talk about this first.
	Because I saw this all over the news yesterday, and I can't believe how many people are fucking stupid, right?
	I can't tell you how many dumb bimbos I saw in the comments saying like, oh my god, he's gonna go to jail finally, blah blah blah.
	So as you guys know, Jerry finds Donald Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation in an E. Jean Carroll case.
	And basically, long story short, guys, she made some allegations that he, you know, Sexually assaulted her back in, like, 1996 in, like, a dressing room.
	How old is that, bro?
	Yeah, almost 30 years, I know.
	Like, what the hell?
	Are there no statute of limitations for a case of divorce?
	Well, typically there are statute of limitations, but this was a civil case.
	And for some odd reason, people don't tend to understand that there's a difference between civil cases and criminal cases.
	So in a civil case, all you need to do is prove A preponderance of the evidence, which basically amounts to 51% versus 49%.
	And then you're found liable and you have to go ahead and pay money or whatever it is that the agreement has.
	I think it's also interesting that the woman that sued him didn't give a monetary amount of what she wanted and damages.
	She did that for a reason because she wanted a virtue signal and be like, it's genuine.
	It's coming from a place of sincerity.
	But the reality is this woman went ahead and made these accusations as Trump was running for office.
	Again.
	Right?
	And this is just...
	This is my thing, and I'll turn it to the panel here.
	I foresee that this is going to be happening more and more where girls are going to...
	If they have an agenda against you, or if you have some money, you have some status, whatever it is, they'll come years after the fact, not do a criminal case, but sue you civilly, and all they have to do is find you 51% liable, and bam, now you're on the hook for a bunch of fucking money.
	Because you've got to pay this bitch $5 million now, and I find it interesting that she has two witnesses, which are...
	Actually, there's zero witnesses.
	It's her two friends that she confided in 30 years ago saying, oh yeah, Trump did this to me, blah, blah, blah.
	And I think this is just another situation where they're trying to disqualify Trump from the presidency of 2024.
	Honestly, I'll take a step further.
	Let's say the agenda or them boys or even the people at the top don't like you.
	They can say, hey, I'm Mary Sue.
	I know you dated so-and-so back in the day.
	I'll pay you to say this about him and make it real.
	Awesome.
	I'll take the money.
	Fuck that nigga.
	Boom.
	Next thing you know, you got an article in the paper saying, you did this and that.
	So it's crazy.
	That happened to Tate.
	That happened.
	All the news articles started contacting his exes to try to bribe him.
	Like, hey, we'll interview you for a story.
	We'll give you $50,000 for this story.
	But they know what the story is.
	That's actually happening to me right now.
	Yeah, it happened to me before, too.
	But you know what's scary?
	That can happen to anybody.
	Look, we're all getting...
	Anybody, bro!
	You're getting two.
	I know you're blue pill, but like even...
	I would love to see evidence people offering $50,000 for stories, negative stories about tape.
	Or any of these people.
	Like, usually those types of offers...
	They'll find ways to say it in a sly way.
	But you won't see it.
	It's going to be behind...
	Yeah, but shit is going to leak.
	Every motherfucker's got a cell phone and an email and a Discord or whatever.
	Everything leaks today.
	Those types of offers being made to multiple people, that shit would win millions.
	You're being very trustworthy.
	I'm not being trustworthy.
	Just so you know, it's honestly done in person.
	You'd be surprised.
	Local coffee shop, guy shows up.
	I'm telling you, it's very covert.
	I think the main takeaway here isn't necessarily $50,000 to make a fake story, but I think the point is that this is kind of a trend where They're weaponizing SA or grape against individuals to knock them down a peg.
	I think this is an example of it.
	It's no coincidence that he got indicted in New York for some bullshit falsifying business charge.
	Wait, how is it bullshit?
	He did.
	Bro.
	Bro.
	Okay, because I actually looked at the charges and everything.
	Number one, that charge is a misdemeanor charge, typically.
	Typically?
	Yeah.
	Nine out of ten times it's a misdemeanor charge.
	They rarely bring it against people, and they brought it against him, and then they're using the felony version of it saying that, oh, because you can only hit him with the felony version of falsifying business records if it's in furtherance of another felony.
	Another crime, correct.
	Yeah.
	Which it was.
	Have they proven that yet?
	I haven't heard what the other crime is.
	Well, they haven't proven it because they don't have a conviction.
	That's what they go to court for is to prove it.
	No, I understand that.
	But they still, even from what I've seen, we're looking at the discovery.
	I still have not seen what this other crime is.
	Is it the other crime FEC related that you were paying somebody in the commission of trying to influence an election like that?
	You're not supposed to do that.
	Like trying to do like a search and kill on stories that are preventing bad press about you before an election season.
	I think it's a violation of FEC stuff.
	And if you're lying about records, that misdemeanor charge will get upgraded to a felony because you're lying about these business records.
	and the commission of that FEC crime is what they're trying to hit Trump with.
	Okay, but that's a federal charge though.
	It's not a state charge.
	Obviously, I think in New York, I think they can charge you for that.
	That's a federal charge only with the voter stuff.
	Because I went over this and I was like, well, hold on.
	Because the feds didn't even prosecute him on that shit.
	The feds decided not to, but that's because New York said they found more stuff.
	I think New York said that.
	So they decided to go a little bit harder on it.
	Well, I mean, they've got some grounds to charge him.
	Well, Adam Black campaigned under getting Trump.
	That was his thing to get in as a district attorney.
	I guess the case goes to court if you want, but they have the charges.
	Yeah, they got the charges, but my thing is they still have not put out exactly what it is.
	Because it's not the FEC thing that you're mentioning.
	Because I thought that was it.
	And then I was like, wait, hold on.
	That's a federal charge.
	That doesn't make sense.
	So they still haven't done it.
	And again, From what I've seen, to me it looks like they're doing everything in their power to keep him from running in 2024 because he's going to win.
	He's going to win.
	They want to keep Biden in office.
	They want to get Kamala Harris.
	There's no shot he's going to win.
	You don't think he's going to win?
	Trump is like actual kryptonite for the Republican Party right now.
	Who's going to get it?
	DeSantis?
	DeSantis is probably a better candidate, but why would you run Trump against Biden when Trump already lost against Biden?
	Well, what was that?
	I know you can't say that.
	No, no, no.
	Ironically, ironically.
	Ironically, what?
	I genuinely think if he runs 2024, because Biden's approval ratings are so low, and obviously everything going on, he's getting exposed and all this other stuff with, you know, the Biden crime family, what's going on with Ukraine, whatever.
	I think Trump has a very good chance of winning.
	I don't think he's getting exposed at all right now.
	I think right now the Republican Party is literally eating itself alive.
	You've got Donald Trump and DeSantis, the two largest figures in the Republican Party, are like going at each other's fucking throats right now.
	Yeah, they don't get along.
	And then you've got all the conservative media is eating itself alive between the crazy crowder shit going on and him fighting with the Daily Wire.
	You've got Tucker Carlson fired from fucking Fox News and Fox trying to find its bearings.
	Like, the Republican Party is in dire straits right now.
	And Trump is anything but a great unifier of people because he's contributing to that mayhem as well.
	He's polarizing.
	Yeah, so I just...
	I mean, I'm not even trying to say I hate Trump or whatever, but running him against a candidate that he already lost to is already rough.
	Did he really lose?
	Well, if you believe it.
	So running him against a candidate he's already lost to is going to be rough.
	And then the fact that he's so polarizing in the Republican Party right now, and he didn't have a good showing for the midterms, I mean, I could try.
	I mean, I welcome it, but...
	You know what's funny about politics?
	What?
	All this whole talk here about who's going to be president, they already know.
	Seriously, they already know.
	But yeah, but that was my thing.
	I just wanted to, because I foresee that this is going to be problematic in the future and that this is going to be continued to be used because we've seen it done with Andrew Tate.
	We've seen it done with Trump.
	We've seen it done with Brett Kavanaugh when he tried to become a Supreme Court justice.
	Julian Assange.
	Yeah, Julian Assange.
	Like, they weaponize women to say that this individual is involved in some kind of sexual crime when in reality He's starting to say things about the CIA. They said that they assassinated JFK. He's talking about Big Pharma.
	He's saying that climate change is going to be the next pandemic.
	He's saying everything that goes against the agenda.
	There's going to be women that pop up out of nowhere.
	There's going to be abuse victims from 1973.
	But it's not going to be taken seriously anymore.
	You've been accused of that.
	You've been accused of that.
	It's like right now, the BBC is messaging all my ex-girlfriends and trying to get a story pretty much.
	If they did say anything, yeah, they are.
	Wow!
	Yeah, my girlfriends from like three, four years ago, they're like, what is this?
	And they're not taking the interviews, but this is when the bribery happens.
	I know you're saying that it'd be extremely obvious, but imagine they go on the phone call and then they say, oh, Sneeko is actually a little bit like blah, blah, blah.
	Oh, okay.
	If you come in for a studio interview, we'll pay for your flight and we'll accommodate you.
	Wait, do you think paying for a flight and accompanying a hotel is bribery?
	But this is how they get the bribery?
	No, they'll say that, but then it's like $10,000 for a hotel?
	No, no.
	Really?
	So that's his point, right?
	So for example...
	It could be personal gain.
	Oh, I could be famous now and get a platform?
	I'll do it.
	Hey, I'm broke anyway.
	I work at Target.
	You never know what it could be.
	Personal gain as well.
	What are all these people that get rich and famous off of making accusations?
	She wrote a book about this shit.
	People have incentives.
	The woman that accused Kavanaugh, she had a GoFundMe.
	They might have had a GoFundMe.
	She had to move her house five times, too.
	She got so many threats and so much real life harassment and everything for it.
	Regardless, I'm just saying, there's not this huge factory of women that are successful making false actions.
	Do you remember the woman that accused Kobe Bryant?
	Do you think she's a millionaire now?
	She made a rap song about it.
	You're under- What's her royalties on that?
	I don't know.
	Come on.
	If you get great, how are you going to make a rap song about being great?
	I get your argument.
	Come on, Destiny.
	I'm just saying, this idea that people are making these accusations to get famous, I don't think it really is.
	Are you surprised that women like attention?
	Men like attention, too.
	We're sitting on an attention-horror podcast with four guys and all that fucking YouTube channels.
	What are you talking about?
	I get your point, right?
	But ultimately, it's up to that individual to make it work.
	So if they flop, they flop.
	But other people can make it work.
	I'm just saying they have the chance to become successful from doing that.
	I disagree about it.
	All right.
	Well, that's the beauty of this podcast is we could disagree on things.
	But yeah, I do think that I see a trend where women are weaponizing it.
	And then look at the Amber Heard trial with Johnny Depp.
	Had he not recorded her surreptitiously, we would literally be saying Johnny Depp is a deranged weirdo that grapes his wife, assaults his wife.
	Thank God he recorded those conversations and we saw what was really going down.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he was fucking crazy too.
	Yeah, but she's the face of me too as well, bro.
	Sure.
	Yeah, she was crazy.
	They were both fucking crazy.
	Yeah, he has his problems as well.
	Bro, she cut his finger.
	She shit on his bed.
	Like, come on, man.
	Every single famous soccer player, Danny Alves, Cristiano Ronaldo, all of them get accused of grape all the time.
	And it's like, do they even need to?
	Why would they need to grape?
	These guys at that level, you really think they need to go take advantage of a random girl in the club?
	People do it all the time in this industry.
	What are you talking about?
	A professional football player like Ronaldo...
	Yeah, look at American football players.
	Wasn't there like a whole fucking rape high school where they all like covered up the fucking rape of those girls?
	Like, yeah, come on.
	What do you mean?
	I'm talking about one thing.
	Answer this question specifically.
	Do you genuinely think Cristiano Ronaldo needs to grape a random girl in the club?
	Do they need to?
	No, but I personally know people in industry that are tall, attractive, they are smart, they're witty, they're charismatic, who have tried to rape my fucking friends before.
	I've seen it happen in person.
	It is fucking insane.
	You've seen grape attempts in person?
	Yes.
	You've seen live grape attempts?
	Live grape attempts, yes.
	From people that I wouldn't even expect it.
	I'd be like, no, shut!
	How are you there witnessing that?
	They're pinning him down and you're just at the party.
	Oh, shit!
	That's a grave!
	Whoa!
	Someone's graping over there!
	What is the scenario?
	Pinning somebody down fighting him.
	It's such a weird...
	So what is the scenario?
	What are you talking about?
	We can talk after shame if you want.
	Look, look, look.
	The point is this.
	See, this is, what are you talking about?
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	I tell you something that I witnessed firsthand.
	You're like, what?
	I can't possibly believe that.
	But then you're like, I think they pay $50,000 in bribes to these women, and I think that it happens just when they show up in person, they make the offer in person, even though nobody's ever leaked this, and there's no proof of it whatsoever, and I've never seen any of this, and you're like, you're skeptical of my claim?
	You don't believe me?
	But you'll believe all this shit.
	I'm asking you to describe it, and you can't.
	I'm telling you this.
	I'm not about to detail somebody's fucking sexual assault that they probably don't want public on the street right now.
	What is the scenario where someone is getting grape attempted, and you're just like, oh, The scenario is people are out at dinner and then afterwards when people drink a little bit, people start acting fucking crazy when they get to certain areas.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	I'm going to out somebody's fucking story on my fucking stream.
	We don't know who it is.
	Yeah, but if I start giving enough details...
	Someone's getting pinned down at dinner?
	No, but it's getting pinned down.
	Is that the only way you think right now?
	You've got the gayest thoughts in your head right now.
	Give me that meat!
	All right, look, look, look, look.
	Yeah, go.
	What are we...
	So, I think the point here...
	I don't know what his point is, man.
	Between these people.
	All I'm saying is that I've seen...
	We've seen a surprising amount of women weaponizing these allegations against men of influence and power to basically, you know...
	Whether it's to sell a book, get them in a weird position where they can't maybe run for office or decrease their influence, whatever the fuck it is.
	We've seen it be weaponized, and I'm seeing this more and more.
	And with the Donald Trump thing, and you did make a good point that his deposition was kind of crazy, which was hilarious.
	It was.
	But during this thing...
	The defense didn't even try.
	Yeah, because his deposition was funny.
	Because he said something along...
	They played the grabber by the pussy clip, and Donald Trump was just sitting there, and he's like, Well, you know, since the beginning of time, people that are famous, you know, stars, they could grab a pussy and, you know, fortunately or unfortunately...
	But the point that I'm trying to make is that it's crazy.
	And the timing is so imperative.
	It's just like, bro, what's happening right now?
	He's picking up steam.
	As he's doing these rallies.
	And when she originally made these accusations, it was when he was running for office.
	It always happens.
	Anything else before I hit the next topic?
	I mean, do you notice, he's starting to lose me on a couple points, man.
	I really, I do like Trump a lot, but he's still saying stuff about Islamic extremism when it comes to a certain terrorist attack from 2001.
	It's like, really?
	You still believe that?
	Really, Trump?
	And then he's like, he's taking credit for the V-word saying like, oh, I saved Florida the death rate.
	He's making 2020 Democratic points when it comes to COVID. I'm like, really?
	Like, do you think anyone believes this stuff still?
	your base is completely against the injection anyway and he's like oh let me take credit for it I saved America he's making really liberal points I see your point I think he made those arguments because to be honest with you the whole pandemic is what kind of fucked him up in his re-campaign I think because he did other things well but it's just that that whole a lot of people argue and say you called the country too late because he obviously didn't want to stop commerce he's a businessman Yeah.
	So that's like one thing they get on.
	What do you think?
	RFK is actually, I don't like the way he talks.
	He can talk a little faster, a little more high energy, but he's making a lot of good points about Big Pharma, about climate change.
	I haven't looked at him enough to be able to make a valid opinion.
	But I know that he's going to campaign, but I haven't.
	But I think at this point, also, when it comes to the whole...
	Because we're going to have Dawson on to talk about JFK. Bro, I mean, at this point, I think it's pretty...
	Tucker Carlson talked about it.
	I agree with him.
	I think it's pretty much irrefutable, almost, that the CIA organized crime and then them boys all had a hand in John F. Kennedy being assassinated back in the 60s.
	The RFK came out and said that.
	Well...
	Now we know.
	Kennedy had a lot of enemies, man.
	A lot of enemies.
	And if you look at what his policies were back then, etc., it went against the military industrial complex.
	It went against organized crime.
	He was actually one of the few presidents that was going hard against La Cosa Nostra and them boys.
	They're organized crime syndicates.
	So...
	You should watch NUMEC on stream and review it and see, because basically Ryan Dawson made this movie about how Israel stole the nuclear bomb, and that's basically the justification for why the CIA killed JFK. I want to see...
	There was just one component of it.
	Right.
	And then his brother was the attorney general at the time, the top law enforcement officer.
	He was going hard on the mafia, bringing them in for fucking questioning and shit, which was unheard of back then, right?
	Because they had their code of silence or murder, whatever.
	So he was...
	They were going hard on organized crime, and they're like, now fuck this shit, so...
	Yeah, that's a whole other thing.
	For Rumble.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Full Weetard.
	Okay.
	Full Weetard goes, just show support.
	Appreciate that.
	Mr.
	Medina goes, Zestini, you look very feminine from outside.
	In your opinion, what are your top three masculine traits?
	Yeah, man.
	No, I want to know, actually.
	Yeah, what are your top three masculine traits?
	Oh, my top three masculine traits.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I have a functional dick.
	Let's see, I scream at people a lot.
	Is that masculine now or did that become feminine for debating and shit?
	That's emotional, yeah.
	Okay.
	I hate women.
	Does that count as masculine?
	What?
	The old me would have said W, but no, that's not masculine.
	Yeah, we don't hate women over here.
	We love women.
	Damn, I don't know.
	I got a lot of money.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	City Boy Farmer goes RP without morality is empty.
	Tradcon without RP is naivety.
	And then Alhamdulillah WSneekoW.
	What does Alhamdulillah mean?
	That means praise God.
	Your boy is here.
	Rolo Tomasi.
	Shout out to Rolo Tomasi in the fucking house.
	Bro, why are you in the chat, bro?
	He's always in the chat.
	Hey, chill.
	He's probably doing his hair right now.
	Bro, he's our homie, man.
	It's not just your stream.
	I see him in every show I go on.
	It's like, are you always online?
	Are you serious, bro?
	Yeah, Pearl Show, everything.
	Would you debate Rolo?
	Of course I would.
	He would body you.
	He would body you.
	As long as his wife lets him do it, you know?
	Bro.
	What the?
	Desly just sends his weak OFgirls to debate me because he's too scared to come to Vegas and sit across the table for me.
	Offer's been open since November.
	Damn!
	If he wants to debate me on somebody else's podcast, that's fine.
	But I'm not gonna go and, like, dig this guy up, like, fucking Lazarus from the underworld and try to resurrect his fucking career.
	That's not my job.
	He'll be here next week.
	Okay, I'll be here too if he wants to.
	Oh, we should do a roundtable.
	Okay, roundtable!
	If he wants to, yeah.
	And he should debate your ass.
	Yeah.
	Okay, great.
	I don't want him to get the debatacron, though, and end up getting sick and, you know, not able to show up if I'm here, so...
	That's fine.
	We'll moderate it.
	We'll moderate it.
	And if y'all want to do it, you got here.
	I get it out.
	Sneeko Shank Sung.
	He transformed into a liberal last panel so he could get ready for the destiny.
	Okay.
	So am I a liberal or a sneak on?
	Is it conservative or liberal?
	So anything that's not red pill is like, yeah, you're not one of us, bro.
	They're calling me conservative and you're donating a hundred dollars to call me liberal.
	I don't understand.
	Like, does anyone have a clear ideology that isn't exactly lying?
	Well, no, it makes sense.
	You're conservative because now you become C-Con, but you're liberal because you change your mind all the fucking time.
	What if I change my mind on some liberal point of view?
	And what if I even change my mind on?
	Tell me.
	I'm just shit on you with these guys.
	You fucking grifter.
	I'm the grifter, right?
	Asinine goes, how's Florida with them?
	Hard work's gone.
	Do you think it's going to affect Florida?
	Hard work's gone?
	I don't know what you mean by that.
	Okay, thank you, Asinine.
	Mr.
	McNasty.
	He said he would.
	Yeah, at some point, dude, I started listening to some shit on Ukraine.
	Holy fuck, this guy is like every single thing reported in the media he says is fake, so I have to dig through.
	Because your only argument is source?
	Source?
	Source?
	Yeah, and his argument is, uh, they lie, they lie, they lie.
	Actually, the Bukha massacre, that was all Ukrainians killing themselves, like all the missiles?
	That was all Ukrainians blowing on themselves?
	It sounds so easy to debate them, though.
	I didn't say it was easy.
	It's a lot of fucking work.
	Source?
	Because this guy will have some fucking, like, well, in this newspaper published in 1998, they said that Ryan Dawson is sharp, though, man.
	He's probably one of the smartest geopolitical commentators that I've talked to ever.
	Did you obey him back in the day?
	Yeah, that's how I thought about him.
	2015.
	He's banned on MySpace.
	He was the OG canceled person on every single crypto exchange.
	Ryan Dawson's really, really smart, man.
	I have an emphasis on Destiny in the same podcast, but can this podcast handle the tension of Destiny in the center we're both on?
	No!
	There's no way he would agree to it, but that would be really funny.
	He would do it.
	Maybe his dad can sell some more fake merch while I'm here.
	Okay, so I guess we could go ahead and pull up what y'all were talking about before.
	Let's pull up Rolo's suite real quick because this has been a point of contention in a lot of things.
	We got it right there.
	This was his tweet, right?
	This was from a week ago?
	About a week ago.
	The quickest path The quickest path to becoming a high value man.
	Number one, don't get married.
	Avoid family creation.
	Vasectomy in your 20s.
	Lift consistently.
	Eliminate all sedations.
	Learn game and networking.
	Play to your strengths.
	Build wealth.
	Resist easing up on your focus.
	And it's the quickest path to becoming a high value man.
	And I know that, you know, Sneeko had some point of contention, specifically with number three, which is get a vasectomy in your 20s.
	Can I just ask, did he need eight points?
	Did he, like, get contracted to write all eight of these?
	Because, like, I see some duplicators.
	So, like, number two, avoid family creation.
	Number three, vasectomy in your 20s.
	Couldn't that be, like, collapsed into one point?
	Did he need eight?
	Did he feel stupid with, like, six or seven?
	Okay, I mean, you're...
	I'm just curious.
	I think he's clarifying it out.
	It's just eight things.
	I mean, he could have said put them together, I guess.
	The best person to ask questions to is Rollo directly.
	That's true.
	So we'll do it next week, probably.
	But this list is concise because once again, he's just saying in general, that's the way to get to that point.
	Yeah.
	What is high value, man?
	I think what he means in this context is being a guy that's desirable to women and being money, being attractive to women so that you'll be, I guess, a marketable sexual partner.
	But that doesn't make sense, right?
	Avoid family creation and get a vasectomy and be attractive to men.
	No, no, no.
	Again, I said it before.
	I'll say it again because you're here.
	So, he gave the instructions to retard-proof it, right?
	Because when you give advice, typically you have to, you know, appeal to the lowest common denominator.
	So, like, there's guys out there, right, that could have been, I'm being honest here, there's guys out there that, you know, might have could have played basketball back in the day, maybe football, whatever, and their career got smashed because they got a girl pregnant and they couldn't pursue what they wanted to do because they had to be a dad early.
	So, what he's saying is, okay, this is how you mitigate risk so you could become a higher status guy.
	We're going to eliminate all the things that could fuck you up.
	Now, I want to make this very clear for some of y'all because some of you guys don't understand.
	I'm not saying I advocate for phrasectomies or whatever.
	I don't have one.
	I've never gotten one.
	But what I am saying is that given the context of what he's tweeting for this specific situation...
	It makes sense because he's saying, hey, these are the ways so that you don't fuck yourself up to ensure that you're going to be successful.
	He's retard-proofing it.
	But that is a pretty retarded advice because you're saying, do this so that you become more attractive to women.
	So what's even the point of having a relationship with a woman if you can't have kids with her?
	Then you're just having an empty relationship just to fuck her for your whole life and then what?
	No, he's saying to become high value, which means you make the choice, do you want to do that or not?
	So he's giving you the choice to do that, but wants to become high value.
	No, Myron just said that it's to become high value to become attractive to a woman.
	Yeah, that's what you choose.
	I feel like we're two months away from tweets of, like, give your bro, like, the key to your fucking cock chastity cage to make sure that you guys are fucking around without permission or whatever.
	Like, I feel like we're...
	Don't you guys tweet all the time about how, like, oh, like, women are fucking disgusting that are freezing their eggs at, like, 20 and they're never gonna find out.
	Now you've got, like, guys that go to sperm clinics, like, here you go.
	I'm never gonna be able to pregnant my wife because there's, like, a 30% reversal rate on this fucking surgery, but maybe in the future I can inject my whole fucking semen.
	We laugh at girls who want to freeze their eggs all the time.
	Yeah, like, it's like the same shit.
	But notice, right, he has two points.
	That's, like, a 90% reversal rate.
	Yeah, actually.
	Well, depending on how quick it is.
	Wait, for vasectomies?
	Yeah, so get it reversed and be able to actually...
	After like 10 years, it's like 30 to 50%.
	Yeah, your 20s is 10 years.
	You're supposed to reverse it back within the 10.
	Well, wait, hold on, wait.
	Your 20s is 10 years.
	Yeah, you're going to get a vasectomy at 20, become high value by 23, and then get it reversed?
	I mean, I'm going to say 23.
	You're being extreme as usual.
	Well, he said your 20s.
	That's 10 years.
	Yeah, but you can do it when you're 28, 29.
	Right.
	So nine years, what is it, 45% chance of reversal?
	Bro, you're not going to have kids anymore.
	You're sterilizing half your audience.
	That's just wild to me.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Notice, he had two points there.
	He said, one, avoid what?
	Family creation.
	And three, that doesn't mean 20s.
	You can choose what you want to do.
	Apply what you need to apply.
	He's just saying you can do either or.
	No, he's not!
	I'm just saying I'm worried that all those kids aren't going to have any customers you sell books to, okay?
	Here's the thing you guys are confusing it with.
	He's giving that advice.
	Those things are to mitigate fuck-ups.
	Yeah.
	So that you get on your path to becoming higher status.
	That's to mitigate fuck-ups.
	It's not about, this is so you can fucking have a bunch of kids and have a family.
	That's not the advice.
	Advice is, this is how you mitigate fuck-ups in your 20s so that you can become attractive.
	Now, again, like I said before, Am I telling guys, go out there and get a vasectomy?
	No.
	But he's giving these points, because if you follow those things, it's going to be very difficult for you to fuck your life up.
	Here's a question.
	On that list, he's got two things, okay, about your dick, okay, about avoid family creation, get a vasectomy.
	Is there anything on that list about, like, just avoid women?
	Avoid temptation?
	Hold on, hold on.
	We know as men, we want women no matter what.
	Whether we want to abstain or be moan, it doesn't matter.
	However, a question for you guys on the panel.
	If you had a kid, be honest here, would you be where you are right now?
	Destiny had a kid in his early 20s.
	No, no, no.
	Oh, you did?
	Yeah, he had a kid in his early 20s.
	He's very successful.
	It was a lot of difficulty, of course.
	But be honest, though.
	Your kid is amazing, I bet.
	But at the same time, it did pull you back a little bit on certain things.
	Seiko, for you, would you be in the same spot?
	Honestly.
	If I had a kid at what age are you talking about?
	Early, like 20s.
	I mean...
	No, you wouldn't be.
	That's the point here.
	Who knows where I would have been?
	My life would have been a completely different life.
	The point is you might not even be here.
	I'm just trying to say, he's saying mitigate risks and say, you know what?
	Well, I might not be on the Fresh and Fit podcast right now, but I would have been successful in different realms, and maybe I would have taken a different path.
	Also, why not just use protection?
	That's a good point!
	And he said, avoid what?
	Thoma creation, which means use a condom too.
	No, it doesn't.
	It says get a vasectomy.
	That was the advice.
	Stop trying to...
	You're coping, bro.
	Number three.
	Number two said to avoid what?
	Creation.
	So is it like, this is like the list of eight things to be successful.
	Pick five.
	That's the list.
	Listen.
	It's like a build-your-own-lunchbox at Taco Bell?
	I thought you'd follow all the points on the list.
	It's the context of the fastest way to be high-value, which means, for example, mitigate risk.
	That's all you're saying here.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Okay, but here's the part that I completely disagree with.
	In the context of what he's talking, I think, I'll take it at a whole other level.
	I'm not.
	We're taking it literally.
	Yeah, which you should take it literally if this is the godfather of the red pill, right?
	You guys always give this guy so much credit.
	I don't really know much about it.
	He's written like five books, supposedly.
	The hypocritical part about it is that we make fun of girls all the time for not controlling their sexual urges and being hoes all the time.
	Like she belongs to the streets, all this stuff.
	You tell guys that they're losers if they don't go to the gym.
	They're losers if they play video games.
	You're a loser if you smoke weed.
	You're a loser if you watch sports.
	You need to exercise discipline.
	But when it comes to girls, oh, shit, get a vasectomy because you can't control yourself because you're not capable of exercising discipline.
	Why do you have to be disciplined in every single aspect of life?
	Networking, success, all this stuff, watching sports, playing video games.
	You need to be on your stuff.
	But for women, nut inside girls with after getting a transgender surgery.
	That's the one thing you can't be disciplined in.
	Sneeko, can you stop fucking girls?
	Yeah.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Stop the cat.
	Hold it to her right now.
	Don't fuck until you get married.
	Well, no.
	No, no, no.
	Better advice.
	You can hold it.
	So don't fuck until you get married.
	Better advice is- No, no, no.
	I swear to God.
	You're saying no.
	Are you cool with that?
	Handshake, handshake!
	You can't!
	Here's a real question.
	Has Seiko fucked a girl before?
	Yes.
	Has he had a vasectomy?
	No.
	Does he have any kids?
	No.
	Big boom!
	There you go!
	He's able to do it!
	He's able to do it!
	Plan B! So he would've had a kid, which means he's gonna fuck up at some point!
	Hey!
	We're human!
	We're men!
	They still sell Plan B? No, no, but the point is...
	That is the point!
	He's able to fuck girls, not have a vasectomy, and still not have kids!
	It's possible!
	What did number two say?
	Avoid final creation.
	It could be condo or Plan B, but he just said to be extra careful!
	Another form of contraception is what it is, basically.
	But he didn't say that.
	And that's not a good form of contraception because it's not supposed to be reversed.
	That's what the doctor tells you when you get a vasectomy surgery.
	It's like, you cannot expect this to be reversed.
	You shouldn't go into that thinking that you're going to reverse it.
	And also, a better advice, instead of saying never fuck again, maybe for the women that I do have sex with, prepare that she could be the mother of your children.
	Maybe don't spend time with hoes all the time thinking, I need to fuck 50 girls so I understand feminists and how retarded they are.
	Maybe just don't fuck them.
	Maybe fuck women that you can see yourself having a family with.
	When you first...
	Hold on, hold on.
	That's a very good point.
	You won't be able to detect that, though, unless you have experience.
	You need experience, bro.
	How do you know?
	Wait, no, no.
	How do you need experience?
	What does that mean?
	How would you know what's good for you if you never had it?
	The red pill advice is you need 50 bodies.
	I want to open this one up.
	Let's go.
	Do you think you need to fuck a girl to tell if she's, like, family material?
	No, no, no.
	We're saying experience-wise...
	What does experience mean?
	Dating, courting, having that one-on-one experience?
	Okay, she likes this, she doesn't like this.
	This is weird.
	This doesn't work.
	I can tell from experience what works.
	Wait, what does any of that have to do with fucking?
	No, hold on.
	I'm getting there.
	Okay.
	Now, adding in sex, you can understand, okay, once this point has passed, I can see who she really is.
	Remember, people point on front at the very beginning, but when you have sex with somebody, they're more often likely to show you who they really are.
	That is absolutely not true.
	How many stories do you hear of husbands who are like, my wife used to blow me every single day and then as soon as we got married, all the sex stopped.
	Or we, you know, we have dead bedrooms now.
	We were super active our first year.
	That is absolutely not true.
	Sex can absolutely change after you've gotten married.
	And you can tell, regardless of experience, you can tell who's a 304 or who's like family material without fucking them first.
	For you guys, you can probably tell just by looking at their Instagrams.
	Isn't that what you guys are like professionals at?
	Is picking out hoes based on their Instagram pictures?
	You're telling me you have to fuck through like 30 women to find a good...
	How many conservative men, like if we brought in like real conservative men who have strong families, how many of them are like, yeah, you know, I had to fuck 25 bitches when I was in college in order to find the love of my life right now that could take care of my kids.
	That's a wild statement.
	If you want to fuck, that's fine.
	But don't pretend you're doing it for this fucking altruistic purpose of finding a good mom.
	But Destiny, can you admit that when you meet somebody for the first time, right, you're trying to see who they really are, the person, and ultimately you're going to have sex, right?
	You don't have to.
	But I mean, you know, having sex is like the least important part of seeing what kind of a person they are.
	Actually, if you're compatible or not, it's very important.
	If you're compatible, but in terms of like, would this be a good mom?
	Is it like, what, if she throws it back doggy, she'd probably take the kids, like, out to the park every day?
	Like, what does that even mean?
	Like, she doesn't swallow?
	I don't think she'd feed my kid if I didn't make it home in time?
	Like, what does that mean?
	Like, she shows up to blow me every night, so I know she'll be on time picking my kid up from school.
	Like, what is the correlation here?
	The whole package itself, right, is going to include sex.
	I'm just saying the dating process itself, going through the whole motions, you can see who the person really is.
	That's all I'm saying here.
	Yeah, I've heard you say that a lot.
	I'm not understanding the connection.
	Alright, so this is why.
	Okay.
	Because I was the one that basically said this, that guys need to, I think guys should, you know, bang at least 50 girls, if not, you know, at bare minimum before they get married.
	What is the average number of girls a guy fucks?
	Very small.
	It's like eight.
	If you're saying get a vasectomy, one in three guys are virgins or haven't had sex in the past year, and you're telling these guys, yeah, you need to, they don't need that problem.
	They don't, they're not fucking that many girls that they need to worry about having a kid accidentally.
	Bro.
	We're saying for what Rolo said in that specific tweet, it makes sense.
	Are we sitting here saying, get vasectomies, guys?
	No.
	But in the context of what he said, becoming a high-value man as quickly as possible and mitigating all risk, I see where he's coming from.
	You guys aren't really having a clear stance.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	With that specific tweet in that context, which we've said a million times that you don't want to accept, is that From what he's saying to become a high-value man as quickly as possible in your 20s and mitigate fuck-ups, because again, he's retard-proofing it.
	Like I've said before, I see where he's coming from.
	Nowhere am I saying, go get vasectomies, guys!
	I'm saying, in that specific tweet, what he's saying, I understand.
	Now, going back to the whole thing with 50 girls, right?
	There's a bunch of reasons why I tell guys they need to get sexual experience with women.
	Number one, you need to get an abundance mindset, okay?
	A lot of guys get with girls out of necessity and a scarcity mindset.
	First girl that touches their peepee, oh, I want to commit to you.
	So that's a problem, because you're not going ahead and getting with the girl from a position of choice.
	You're getting with her from a position of necessity and scarcity.
	That completely changes the dynamics of the relationship, and that's going to put her in a leverage position.
	That's number one.
	Number two...
	It'll help you understand female nature.
	A lot of the times, the mask comes off after you've had sex with a girl to a degree.
	Now, I know what you said.
	Oh, well, then you marry her, and then she goes ahead, and you're not getting sex anymore.
	That's why you don't get married, because when you marry, what ends up happening?
	The girl gets leverage.
	We tell guys, and even though people might not like me saying this, you need to always have the position of power and the position of leverage.
	Would that completely change?
	Okay, go for it.
	Because this is why I'm saying you need to have sex with a bunch of girls.
	Right?
	You get an abundance mindset, number one.
	So you're actually picking her versus, you know, a necessity standpoint.
	Then it helps you understand female nature because you understand female manipulation tactics.
	Because girls, right, will do whatever they can to withhold sex from you before you give enough resources, time, whatever it may be.
	It's a dance between the two genders to get what they want.
	And then, yeah, you're able to better discern female nature.
	So those are the four main points.
	I think every one of those points is silly.
	One, woman is going to have leverage over you as soon as you have a family, right?
	If you guys are the ones that are saying the family courts are all rigged and bugged and she can fuck you with child support.
	So that doesn't matter.
	Whether it's marriage or child support.
	The child support is scarier than the marriage part.
	Because child support is you're hooked for 18 years and you're always on child support.
	Whereas alimony is like 10% of all marriages.
	So whatever you're talking about avoiding leverage in a relationship, that goes immediately out the window as soon as you've nutted up on her, okay?
	You mean if you have kids?
	Yeah.
	And we're talking about shopping for a woman that can have kids.
	So that's one thing.
	Second thing, I'm trying to remember every point you made.
	Discerning female nature.
	Getting an abundance mindset.
	Getting an abundance mindset.
	In any healthy relationship, your partner is going to have some kind of leverage over you.
	Of course.
	But you need to maintain most of the leverage is the man.
	Both people are going to have somewhat of ultimate leverage for the other person.
	If you're in a healthy relationship, you don't want your wife to leave you.
	That would suck.
	She doesn't want you to leave her.
	That would suck.
	Of course.
	But as a man, you need to have most of the leverage and you need to care about the relationship less than she does, is my point.
	In every relationship, one person is needed more than the other.
	I'm saying the woman should need you more than you need her.
	That's my argument.
	This is horrible relationship advice.
	Because at some point, you have to make the decision to say, I'm gonna start investing a scary amount of emotional and physical and psychological resources into this relationship to make it work.
	Any good relationship is gonna have that investment, such that if it ends, it's gonna suck.
	If you go into a relationship with this thought process of like, I need to be able to leave this 304 at any fucking point I want to be fine or whatever, you're never gonna get a good relationship.
	Those aren't good relationships.
	I feel like I walk away at any point in time and I don't give a fuck.
	At some point, the whole point of a relationship where you really love each other is some amount of vulnerability and trust in each other to not fuck up, right?
	See, I see where you're coming from, right?
	Yeah, that's coming from the trying to maintain a healthy relationship.
	No, no, no, I get that.
	But that's why I'm saying, because I want guys to be in a position that even if they love a girl and they really like her, they can still walk away from her if she does some dumb shit.
	And you get that from having an abundance mindset.
	That's not love, though.
	You're not building good relationships there.
	You can absolutely love someone and still walk away from them when they do stupid shit.
	You can just walk away.
	You have to.
	But that's what I'm trying to say.
	Guys need to have that skill set.
	Because most guys end up sitting in stupid ass relationships that they don't want to be in with girls that disrespect them, that treat them poorly, that do a bunch of fuck shit because they have a fancy mindset.
	No, that's because they're fucking retarded.
	Right?
	You can say maybe part of it might be a scarcity mindset.
	Some people stay in bad relationships for way too long.
	But if you go in trying to set it up, it's like, I can walk away from this, whatever I want.
	What is the reason that they stay?
	Why do guys stay in bad relationships so much?
	It's because of scarcity mindset.
	Why do girls get in relationships way faster than the guys?
	Because girls don't have a natural scarcity mindset like men do.
	Destiny, you mentioned love, right?
	I don't even think that's true that girls get over relationships way faster than guys.
	Because you guys on here are talking all the time about like, oh, well, the reason why I don't want to date a girl that's older is because she's got all this trauma from all these other relationships.
	How is a woman simultaneously traumatized by every relationship she has, but also gets over them really quickly?
	Well, here's the thing.
	Then why do women break up most of the time?
	Because they have another guy lined up.
	Hold on.
	If they break up most of the time, does that imply the other one is the one fucking up?
	Isn't that what the implication would be?
	No.
	Because they want to leave.
	Hold on.
	If I were to tell you, in business relationships, you know, this partner has left like, you know, like 50, 60, 70% of the time, wouldn't you assume it's because the other one is fucking up?
	That's not a normal case, but we know why women do it.
	Why do women do it?
	They get bored.
	They don't feel like it anymore.
	They have other options.
	Bored and don't feel like it anymore are good reasons to leave a relationship.
	If you feel like you're bored in a relationship, you don't like the relationship.
	Of course you should.
	Why should you stay there?
	As for men, you mentioned earlier love, right?
	What is love?
	Love is freedom.
	So having the freedom to walk away is powerful.
	Hold on.
	Love is not the freedom to walk away from your partner.
	It is.
	That's not true.
	Love is an obligation to your partner that supersedes your personal freedom.
	That's the whole point of like, don't we say like fucking women and children first and like men dying for their family and their countries and like Like, I feel like this is some shit where like- So on one hand, the guy's got to stay if he loves her, but the girl can leave because of the- No, the woman shouldn't leave.
	Hold on.
	If the woman loves her partner or whatever, you also shouldn't leave.
	But if people are getting bored or don't like the relationship, for a guy or a girl, yeah, of course you should leave if you're not like feeling anymore, of course.
	But that's my point, bro.
	A woman won't get bored if you have a scarcity mindset.
	Women have a natural abundance mindset, which is why they overwhelmingly initiate divorce and breakup.
	So what I'm saying is that guys need to also have an abundance mindset where they can walk away from the girl.
	So there's some semblance of the power struggle isn't as, I guess, polarizing because most girls hold their leverage in most relationships and guys have no power in their relationship.
	And what I'm saying is that I don't know how that's true.
	Like women fare worse than men in almost every degree after divorces.
	Right.
	What?
	What are you talking about?
	They make more money.
	They have better dating strategies afterwards.
	Men just do better than women in almost every single metric post-divorce.
	What?
	What?
	No!
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	What?
	You can fucking Google it.
	Financial outcomes divorce men versus women.
	You can look it up.
	But you guys know this on your podcast.
	If you were scrolling through Tinder and you see some dude who's like, oh, single dad, that's like whatever.
	For some women, that might even be a plus.
	He's got a kid.
	He's a cool dude or whatever.
	If you see single mom, what are you assuming?
	That she lives with a fucking hamper?
	She's in Beverly Hills.
	Single mom, she's probably lit as fuck.
	No shot.
	They get wiped up all the time, bro.
	Listen.
	Single moms get wiped up all the time?
	Come on!
	Wait, then what are the single...
	Hold it, you...
	Okay, I don't want to make it racial, okay?
	But, like, we're a black community here, right?
	Like, single moms are getting wiped up all the time by other men?
	That's not true.
	Single motherhood in a lot of communities is, like, one of the most destructive aspects to families.
	And it's really hard for single moms to find another guy.
	Because guys would rather not raise another kid than a woman be willing to jump into the guy with his own kid.
	Bro.
	Are you saying a divorce absolutely impacts men more negatively than women?
	Absolutely.
	It's not even debatable.
	Look at outcomes afterwards.
	It's not even debatable, bro.
	Night and day difference.
	No shit, I know this.
	Tell them.
	If divorce didn't destroy...
	You guys are arguing, but it's so funny because this is the one time where we can just use our feelings and your intuitions are right.
	You're using your brain right now to try to think, I think single moms, I think single moms actually do really well.
	We all know that's not true.
	Single moms get fucked.
	Women fare a lot better post-divorce than men do, bro.
	And the reason why is because they get the resource, they get the money, they get the children.
	They get put in a better situation financially.
	No, they don't!
	Dude, they get the house!
	Moms don't live good on child support!
	That's not true!
	Have you ever seen a bitch on child support?
	She's not living the greatest fucking life!
	She's not pulling in with her BMW like, oh yeah, I got my $350 child support this month.
	I'm ready to tear it up.
	This doesn't happen.
	Well, we're assuming that they never got married, one, and two, they were poor from the very beginning.
	I'm just saying in our average marriage, for the most part, the guy's making more money on some level, right?
	Let's say the divorce and the woman leaves.
	She's getting probably the house and money.
	So it's kind of like she's winning.
	He is, on the other hand, in a car or, for example, in a friggin' apartment.
	He's done for.
	You're talking about, like, the 1% of the 1% situations where a woman is, like, getting a whole house and child support.
	And this is, like, a fantasy story.
	Like, I'm sure it's happened, but this is incredibly right.
	Most of the time, and everybody knows this, you're fighting really hard in your brain to try to think, like, single moms do well.
	Everybody knows that's not true.
	You guys even say single moms are a use and abuser or one-time use only for fun only.
	You guys all say that shit.
	We all know this.
	We're not saying single women, okay?
	Single moms do better than single dads.
	What I'm saying is that...
	I'm saying that single women...
	Divorce hurts men more than it hurts women.
	That's my argument.
	It definitely hurts men way more because men have more to lose.
	And if it didn't, why are women initiating 80% of the divorces?
	Because they must really hate the relationship.
	No, because they stand to benefit from it way more than men do.
	They don't benefit from the divorce more than staying married.
	I mean, that statistic that I saw, of course, it fares immediately.
	It seems like the women are doing better financially.
	That's because usually women are not as earning as much as the men.
	But at the same time, there's also, if you look at the mental health rates, men are eight times more likely to commit deletion, self-deletion after divorce.
	True.
	Eight times more.
	Marriage is a good controlling factor for men.
	Eight times more.
	You're going to say that women do so much...
	Are we going to use suicide as the defining factor?
	What percentage of people commit suicide?
	Eight times more?
	It is a factor to it to show who actually suffers more from divorce.
	Hold on.
	Suicide is affecting like point whatever percent of all men divorce.
	Income is affecting everybody.
	And in income, men fare better.
	In future relationships, men tend to pair up more often than single moms do.
	Like, these are just two...
	Okay, maybe it's 1%, but still, the fact that it's 8 times more reflects the mental health, too.
	Just because only a small percentage of them are actually committed to pulling the trigger, the rest of them must be way unhappier compared to the women.
	I mean, they fare better by the numbers.
	If we want to say they're unhappy, we can find some way to measure that, but I don't know if I would say...
	Women just stand to gain more post-divorce than men do, which is why they overwhelmingly initiate their breakups.
	I think they overwhelmingly initiate their breakups because they're unhappy with their relationships.
	So then why get into it in the first place?
	Because it would probably go to the beginning, like every relationship.
	But they're awarded for it.
	Because they know, once they get into it, they can break it and get away with whatever they want.
	You will never find a woman.
	Okay, you might find one or two.
	But overwhelmingly, you're not going to find women that are like, oh yeah, like I got with this guy and I figure like, you know, if it goes bad, at least I get divorced, I get like child support.
	Nobody thinks like that.
	They're going to attorneys before they even get married.
	Nope, no.
	That's overwhelmingly not the case.
	Nobody thinks like this.
	Like, real women do not think like this.
	Oh, yeah, like, I can give this guy, like, at least I know my divorce.
	I'll get, like, alimony and child support.
	Except for, like, the ultra-rare 0.1% crazy people.
	To your point, let's say they're not aware of it, right?
	The moment they say, you know what, mom?
	I'm thinking about divorce.
	Guess what happens?
	They get flooded.
	Oh, daughter, go here.
	Do this, do that.
	They're going to find out what they can do after the fact.
	And then they do it.
	So either way, they can find out and still do it.
	If your wife is asking, how can I get a divorce, then the relationship is already fucked.
	If women didn't stand to benefit, why are so many women so hell-bent on getting married?
	Women want to get married, right?
	And if it doesn't work out, they can divorce and get the money.
	Women probably want to get married because if you're going to have a family...
	My stance is simply this.
	Divorce hurts men more than it hurts women, overwhelmingly.
	From all aspects, whether it's money, whether it's paying alimony, whether it's finding another partner, because a single mom still will be able to find a guy to replace the dude, to a degree.
	Single mom dating sucks.
	He might not marry her, but he'll still get more options.
	Single moms get a bunch of options.
	On Tinder?
	They're booming, bro.
	No, we say don't do it, but niggas still get options.
	Yeah, there's a lot of sims out there that'll still take them on.
	Do you watch any of the dating shows on TV or any of these?
	Bro, single mom dating sucks.
	It's like the worst fucking thing in the world.
	They have more options than an average guy.
	It's crazy.
	And you pull this stat that men pay 85% of child support after divorce.
	85% of the people paying child support are men.
	That's because most of the time the women are the caretakes of the kids and they take the kid.
	That's the point.
	Because men aren't taking care of their kids.
	The man just leaves.
	But hold on.
	What are the courts based on?
	The child's best interests.
	So who does that align to?
	The mother.
	It aligns with the primary caretaker.
	Which is the mother.
	Sure, but if the mother's taking care of the kid, then of course she's going to be the primary caretaker.
	So by default, they win a divorce.
	Which means they have a better option.
	But the average child support payment in the United States is like $400 a month.
	Or $450 a month.
	And like 50% of women don't even get child support.
	And $450 a month is not a lot of money.
	You're not living a life of luxury with $450 a month of child support.
	And you got a fucking kid to take care of.
	That's if they are marrying an average man, though.
	If a guy's successful, even better.
	We're just saying the odds are not for men.
	I'm just saying, I don't care about the odds.
	If you don't argue about that, that's fine.
	It's this idea that women are going into relationships already planning out their divorce timeline.
	That's insane.
	Nobody wants to be divorced.
	It sucks.
	It's embarrassing.
	It's humiliating.
	It sucks for men, not for women.
	No, it sucks for everybody.
	Explain why did Steven Crowder's wife leave?
	What?
	Steven Crowder got a divorce attorney before she even divorced him.
	What do you mean?
	He wanted to keep the marriage going.
	He might have, but their relationship was obviously fucked.
	If you watch the footage...
	Okay, but ultimately, it was probably her.
	She was the one who leaked that video out to the press.
	She was the one who initiated it.
	From two years after.
	So what was the reason?
	Well, Crowder had already publicly started talking about the divorce as well.
	Okay, well, they got married when they were virgins.
	Everything seemed to go on fine.
	He didn't hit her.
	He didn't cheat on her.
	Why did she want to leave?
	Do you think that hitting somebody and cheating them is the only reason?
	That's why I'm asking you.
	What do you think was a valid reason?
	I don't know what their relationship looked like.
	There could have been a million people.
	You did.
	She sent the worst clip that she could possibly find from the footage, and it didn't even look bad at all.
	It was a small argument.
	He said, watch it.
	That's it.
	No, no.
	It looked bad.
	No, it didn't.
	The relationship looked fucking miserable.
	If any of your relationships look like that, you're probably...
	If that was the worst thing you could find, that's a happy relationship.
	And that's not a good enough reason to leave a marriage.
	That actually proves that women are incentivized.
	First of all, they've already probably been to therapy for counseling.
	This probably wasn't their first fight.
	If they're having regular fights...
	That was the worst fight you could find on camera.
	Ring camera on their porch.
	There's probably other cameras in the house.
	I mean, if that's the worst thing she can cover up, then that marriage is not bad.
	She had that clip from two years ago.
	Women definitely plan.
	She had it from two years ago because they were getting fucking divorced.
	They probably saved all the ring camera footage.
	No shit!
	No, she did.
	It disappears.
	After a while.
	Only 90 days.
	Two years ago, it was like a month or two later where they were already getting divorce attorneys and shit.
	So I'm sure they were probably backing all that shit out.
	And it was edited.
	No, it was not edited.
	It was.
	She cut out a certain part of it.
	None of it was edited.
	And it was caught by the brand.
	It was edited, bro.
	None of it was edited.
	You can literally- Bro, I saw the timestamp.
	We saw the timestamp.
	She literally cut out 40 seconds of the conversation.
	I understand what you're saying, okay?
	If you watch the way that ring cameras record, okay?
	What a ring camera does is as soon as it begins to record, it records for 60 seconds.
	Yes.
	And then after those 60 seconds end, it looks for movement, and if there's no movement, it'll cut.
	If you look at the ring camera footage, and we can bring the video now if you want, it'll be like at 30 seconds...
	There'll be like a little itty-bitty cut because people stop moving.
	And then as soon as somebody talks, it starts recording again.
	Then after one minute and two seconds, it cuts again.
	Then after one minute and two seconds, it cuts again.
	It wasn't edited.
	It was just because there was no movement in the video.
	Later on, if you want to watch it, you can go and watch it.
	Because initially, I thought it was edited.
	And then I had some autistic fan that came out and he drew all the shit for me.
	But like the video footage was not edited.
	Regardless, whether it's edited or not, there was a significant part of the conversation not put in there for about 45 seconds that we did not see what was said.
	I don't think...
	We didn't see that last part either.
	Well, because they went inside and it wasn't being recorded.
	I'm just saying, hold on.
	I just want to say your opinions on this.
	It doesn't have to be cheating or physical abuse to want to leave a relationship.
	Do you guys agree with that?
	So what's the valid reason?
	It could be that they fought all the fucking time.
	It could be they didn't love each other much anymore.
	It could be that they stopped fucking.
	It could be that they couldn't figure out house choice.
	It could be that she didn't like that he worked all the time and traveled all the time.
	It could be that he didn't like her friends and she was talking shit.
	It could be that like...
	Her hygiene got bad or she got fat.
	I don't know.
	There's like a million reasons.
	Nobody's arguing that.
	We're arguing that if it happens and they get divorced, men are going to lose.
	Well, hold on.
	No, no, no.
	This is pushing back on the initial point that women go into relationships looking to get divorced.
	And then he brought up Steven Crowder's situation.
	They've been here for nine years.
	Do you think she planned that out?
	Do you think her life is going to be better now as a single mom with twins saying, I got fucking divorced?
	Do you guys think women wear divorce with pride?
	Sometimes, yeah.
	Sometimes they can.
	Okay, that's wild.
	Look at Tom Brady's wife.
	You're going to bring up a billionaire fucking wife?
	Come on.
	These are your go-to examples?
	Do you think the average woman tells her family...
	Women look up to these girls.
	Women always compare themselves to the famous celebrities they see on the magazines.
	Like, I'm a divorced queen now.
	I'm having my new awakening in my 40s.
	You might be right where no party likes divorce.
	Ultimately, who's going to win?
	The women.
	We're just saying that.
	Women will get more money from the man at the end.
	Because the man is usually earning more.
	But post-divorce men fare better than the women.
	That's why the women get a little bit more money.
	They fare better in what regard then?
	Financially and in future relationships.
	I still think a single mom has more prospects than a single dad.
	100%.
	Like women have more prospects.
	Bro, an average girl has more prospects than some of the top tier guys.
	Prospects to fuck.
	But still, here's the thing.
	Men will still...
	You're 100% right about that.
	But they at least get the opportunities.
	To put themselves out there in front of a guy.
	Because, yes, there's a lot of prospects to fuck, yes.
	But in that, all those prospects are some guys that will definitely court them and take them seriously as well.
	I mean, like...
	I don't want to share on single moms, but there aren't a lot of ultra-high-value guys that are looking to wife up a single mom who's 32.
	Yeah, but I'm saying they just have more options.
	No, but I'm saying that it's not like her dating options are vast.
	And again, if you look at the research, men afterwards will fare better in getting into relationships better than women do, who are single dads versus single moms.
	But they're still broke, though.
	Why are they broke?
	Divorce.
	Divorce doesn't break you all the time.
	That's not true.
	You guys look at the most extreme examples.
	Also, 85% of men have to pay child support after divorce.
	Again, the average child support is like $450 a month.
	That's a lot of money.
	That's a lot of money for the average guy.
	If I'm making only $1,000 every two weeks, bro, that's a lot of money.
	If you're making $1,000 every two weeks, you're not paying $450 of child support.
	Well, you said that's the average.
	I said that's the average, and you're giving me the lower end of what men are making.
	That's a lot of money for a lot of guys who are watching the show right now.
	Probably, but a lot of guys watching the show right now have never touched a girl in their lives, so...
	Oh gosh, yeah, they're fine.
	Okay, and then you're also gonna say...
	Don't take a child support again.
	That's such a stupid point.
	The first person that's gonna touch your dick is a doctor in the possession.
	Don't take that from him, bro.
	You are a stud, bro.
	How are you gonna say that there's no guys that are gonna take a single mom seriously and then also make fun of 20,000 people watching and say that these guys aren't fucking...
	Of course they're gonna go settle down with the single mom if they got the chance.
	If you're calling these loser guys who can't get a girl, if they find a hot girl who has a kid, they're gonna go and settle according to your logic.
	Guys, like the video, man.
	How many likes do we have on this video?
	I don't know.
	Some probably went...
	Some dislikes probably came after that.
	And there are divorce parties.
	I've seen a lot of them on social media.
	Women celebrate that.
	They have their new thing in their 40s.
	I'm 21 forever.
	They celebrate this thing.
	It's actually encouraged a lot of women like that.
	It's just simple because, like I said, as feminism has gotten stronger and stronger, women are able to, you know...
	Leave relationships, et cetera, and things have changed.
	The sexual marketplace has changed.
	Women have initiated more and more divorces, bro.
	Women are certified nowadays.
	The idea that women like divorce and like to initiate it, and it's like fun.
	They like being single?
	Wild.
	No, they like getting out of a bad relationship.
	But they don't like divorce.
	Somebody goes in wanting to get divorced.
	It's humiliating to say you got divorced.
	Because here's the thing.
	Women don't marry for duty like they used to anymore.
	They marry for I want to be happy.
	They marry for happiness.
	And let's be honest here.
	Happiness and emotions fluctuate all the time.
	Yep.
	That's part of building a relationship.
	A lot of girls don't want to stay in that way.
	But that's what I'm trying to say.
	The whole point of building a relationship is building it past the honeymoon phase.
	Like, oh, I love you.
	That's part of building a good relationship.
	You know what, Destiny?
	Yeah.
	You better never get divorced.
	I've already been divorced.
	So what are you saying?
	Wait, who initiated that one?
	Uh, we both kind of did.
	No!
	I know what that means!
	We got him!
	We got him!
	I got married when I was 19.
	We both got married for financial aid.
	She initiated it, bro.
	What does we both initiate?
	We don't need to get personal.
	We can go as personal as you want.
	We broke up.
	No, you're a person about the grape and the dinner table story, so you're not going to get personal.
	We're going to move on, man.
	Yeah, I'll move on to you.
	All right, we got here Cam from TMR Radio.
	Stop the cap.
	Statistically, abstinence preaching doesn't work.
	The whole point of his post was risk mitigation.
	Nico's being obtuse for clicks.
	This is actual female-ish arguing like this.
	Well, it doesn't have to be abstinence, but also just realize the risk.
	Like, when you go and have sex with a girl, understand that you could get her pregnant and then take responsibility for it if that does happen.
	Like, if you're going to exercise discipline in every single aspect of your life, you need to network.
	You can't watch porn.
	You can't play video games.
	You can't smoke weed.
	But you can fuck a bunch of feminist hoes who you don't want to have kids with.
	That's stupid.
	I agree with you, but here's the problem.
	You did Plan B, right?
	Why don't you keep it?
	Better than getting a vasectomy.
	Better than getting a vasectomy.
	I was in college, man.
	Back in the day.
	Don't make me air out your shit, bro.
	I was being honest.
	Got it one time.
	No, no, no.
	You're not the one advocating for it.
	You're not the one advocating for it.
	You're not taking any stance at all.
	You're like, oh, I understand why, but I'm not pro or con.
	Take a stance.
	That is an individual choice.
	I can't tell anybody to do what they don't want to do.
	It's individual.
	I'm asking your opinion.
	Do you think advocating for vasectomies for a male audience is good or bad?
	And I told you the last show, nigga.
	So you're not taking a stance.
	Hold on, hold on.
	I personally, I'm not going to do it, but...
	I'm not asking about you.
	Would you advocate for...
	Here we go.
	Here we go.
	20,000 men's brains.
	They're connected to you right now fresh and you can transmit them one message.
	Do you tell them you should get a vasectomy or don't get a vasectomy.
	This is the answer.
	This is the full answer.
	Their minds are hooked in you right now.
	Get ready.
	They're about to call their general practitioners right now.
	Right now.
	Yeah.
	As a man, let's say what you want.
	Do you want kids?
	Bro, this is a ducking answer.
	I'm giving them the full answer.
	Do you want kids?
	Do you want a business?
	Do you want to be successful?
	Weigh that out.
	Then put on priority what matters to you as the individual man.
	Then from there, plan out your life.
	And if that includes a vasectomy, good for you.
	But if it doesn't, so what?
	I'm just saying as an individual, you choose whatever you want to do.
	It's simple.
	You're avoiding the question.
	I answered it for you.
	That's not an answer.
	It is.
	Would you advocate towards a vasectomy for the majority of people watching yes or no?
	I told you.
	It's up to that person.
	It's a yes or no question.
	You kick out girls for not answering yes or no questions on the show all the time.
	I answered a question.
	It's a yes or no.
	No, it's not.
	It's not black and white.
	I'm asking you a yes or no question.
	What?
	Bro, I just told you what the answer was.
	It does vary wildly from man to man, bro.
	The thing is, if you're saying all this stuff, you're not really giving me advice.
	Imagine somebody comes to me and they're like, should I start working out?
	I'm like, well, it depends on your diet and your sleep and you should make the right choice for you based on what you want your life to look like.
	That's not advice.
	If somebody goes to me, like, do I want to be high-value?
	It's like, well, you should make the right choice for you.
	Your advice is, like, figure out what's right for you, but they're coming to you for the advice.
	If a girl came in and said, should I wait until I'm 35, freeze my eggs when I'm 21, and then unfreeze my eggs when I'm 35, I would say, no, that's a stupid decision.
	You shouldn't do that.
	You should go and prioritize your youth now.
	Okay.
	Yeah, and you would probably agree.
	You would probably tell the girls who want to freeze their eggs, that's stupid.
	Why can't you apply?
	That's the exact same thing for men.
	What are they going to do?
	Do whatever they want to do.
	And so I'm looking for your advice.
	I'm coming in as a viewer, as a fresh infant viewer, 20,000 people watching.
	What is your opinion on this?
	I just told you.
	Personally, I would not do it, but the individual might want to do it.
	Okay, if a girl came in asking if she should freeze her eggs, what would you say?
	It's up to you?
	I would say, personally speaking, if I were you, I wouldn't do that.
	Okay.
	But!
	No, but!
	It's up to you.
	And guess what?
	What happens on the show?
	They give advice all the time.
	They still go out and do the same shit.
	So it's kind of like, bro, I can give people advice, but they're going to do what they want to do anyway.
	So your point's mute.
	Let's move on, Matt.
	You just, like, destroy the whole format of, like, YouTube shows.
	If you're just going to say you're going to do what you're going to do anyway, it's like, okay, here's the financial advice show for rental properties.
	You guys are going to do what you're going to do anyway.
	Good luck.
	I'm asking his question, but I'm just saying in general, as a man, that's your choice to make.
	So is being fat.
	So is playing video games, so is smoking weed.
	That is a life-altering choice.
	So is being fat.
	And the stance from the show is being fat is unacceptable.
	Most guys are going to be fat anyway.
	America's getting fatter and fatter.
	This is external to having kids.
	That's a life-changing choice for having kids.
	Not being fat.
	Being fat is life-changing.
	Very life-changing.
	Not for kids though, bro.
	Damn, it's even worse for kids.
	Being fat.
	I mean, having kids in general.
	Okay, but if you can have a hard stance on a life choice being fat, why can't you have a hard stance on a vasectomy and having children?
	I just told you what it was.
	Myron, do you have a hard stance on this?
	Because you've had controversial opinions on sports, video games, porn, everything that distracts you from becoming high value.
	Do you have a hard stance on this?
	Would you advocate yes or no towards getting a vasectomy?
	Or we can say, guy comes up, he's 19.
	First year in trade school, because college is for losers.
	He's on his way to becoming an electrician.
	He's like, I think I want to start my electrician company.
	Hopefully I'll find a woman in the next four or five years, but I want to focus on my career for the next three or four years.
	Find a woman maybe when I'm 25, 26, and maybe have kids in my late 20s.
	Do you think I should get a vasectomy?
	What would you tell that guy?
	In that particular situation, I would tell them, no, just wear a condom and don't be an idiot and focus on, obviously, your business and everything else.
	But, you guys got to understand that for this particular situation, it's not black and white because every man is in a different point in his life and it varies wildly depending on their age, their income level.
	their sexual experience with women.
	So you can't give one piece of blanket advice.
	And you guys trying to say, oh, well, for real estate and for fitness, well, that's objective because to make money on real estate, you have to do X, Y, Z.
	Typically, that's going to work for a majority of people.
	But this is not black and white like that.
	Or fitness, for example, go to the gym and exercise because it's pretty much irrefutable that going to the gym and exercising is going to give you a healthier life.
	So that's not up for debate.
	But when it comes to vasectomy, that varies wildly between each man and their life choices, what they want to do, where they are in life, their sexual experience, how much money they make, etc.
	I feel like vasectomy, the advice is very easy.
	If you are out of stage in your life and you're done wanting to have kids, get a vasectomy.
	That's one situation where it would be valid.
	That's one example where it would be valid.
	It is, but once again, what if I change my mind?
	10 years later, and it's harder.
	You're fucked.
	That's the point.
	There's a difference between, like, I'm 36, I've got three kids, I'm done having kids, I'm going to get a vasectomy, versus I'm going to get a vasectomy when I'm 19 because I don't think I want to have kids.
	Those are two wildly different situations.
	And that's your demographic, for the most part.
	Snickle, you said yourself, right?
	That you change as a person.
	A vasectomy is a permanent surgery, so I wouldn't recommend someone get a permanent surgery if you're going to grow and continue maturing throughout your 20s.
	Okay, that's great.
	Actually, it's not permanent.
	It could be reversed.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	There's a high likelihood that it could be reversed.
	And also, I disagree with you saying that it varies man to man about what they want in life.
	Yeah.
	I don't think it really varies as much as you're saying it does.
	Our purpose here, the reason that we're here, is to have a family.
	The reason that we exist is to procreate.
	It does not vary as much as you think.
	It absolutely varies.
	One guy that has children is different than a guy that might not have children.
	The guy that has children already has a family, just like Destiny said.
	He would be a good candidate for a vasectomy.
	Go ahead and do it.
	Another guy, right, that's younger in his life, might not be a good option.
	But the advice wasn't targeted at that guy.
	You know who that advice was targeted at.
	It's targeted at the young guy in his early 20s or teens because he's saying, dissect me in your 20s.
	So this must be advice for people who are just starting their male adulthood.
	Again, bro.
	That's exactly what the context was.
	You're taking what he's saying and applying it to the general masses.
	He's saying, in this specific instance, if you want to get your value up as quickly as possible, And who is that advice for?
	Young men.
	Not the guy who's already had three kids who's 36.
	He's not going to decide I'm going to become a high-value man after having a family.
	You're targeting towards young men who are navigating life.
	Taking advice from an older guy on the internet.
	Look, he's saying for this particular situation, you want to become as high-value as possible.
	Quickly, do all these things and it'll mitigate your risk.
	He can also stand there, work 150 hours a week.
	Obviously, that's not practical for a lot of people.
	I saw that.
	He said he wants to call in and tell us what he actually meant.
	Uh...
	I guess.
	Here's a novel idea.
	How about you tell me...
	Let me call it to tell you what I actually meant.
	You know what?
	Let's do it, bro.
	Yeah, we gotta fire up the phone lines, though.
	Moe, you know how to do that?
	Is Chris not here?
	Chris is not here.
	Oh, boom.
	He's sleeping, dude.
	Oh, Chris.
	Okay.
	We'll...
	We'll get it done.
	We'll get it going.
	Okay.
	Some chat for now?
	But yeah.
	Guys, we got 21K watching, man.
	I like the video.
	Yeah, watch the channel.
	And follow...
	You on Rumble?
	Cuckstany, yeah.
	Rumble.com.
	Cuckstany.
	That's fucking funny.
	Cuckstany.
	All right.
	Where are we...
	Jose Corotta goes, Martin, how are you okay with telling young men to go to sleep around before marriage?
	You've said men should sleep with at least 50 girls before marriage.
	Quran 24 to condense promiscuity.
	Sneak go, go do Muay Thai and Thailand.
	Look, bro.
	See, this is what I mean when I say people lack critical thinking skills.
	Yeah.
	We're only supposed to do the fun parts of the religion, okay?
	Not the shitty parts, guys.
	No, it's not that.
	It's that, number one, I'm not saying that I'm the, you know, the best Muslim ever.
	I've said this plenty of times that I'm not the best Muslim and I need to practice better and become a better Muslim if I want to.
	I've said that before, okay?
	That's number one.
	So, and then number two, I'm telling guys, in the West, if you want to go ahead and get a relationship with a girl, these women are promiscuous and these girls are out here doing things.
	I don't want guys getting finessed, going into a relationship with a girl that has more bodies than you, has more sexual experience than you, and you're a virgin and you think, oh my god, she likes me!
	Because you're too stupid to realize and don't have the abundance mindset to understand how women move.
	So, again, this is what I'm trying to say when I say, like, these traditional conservative beliefs, they're fantastic on paper, but they don't work today, bro.
	They don't.
	Okay?
	And with all the things that guys are risking, with the marriage courts, the divorce courts, etc., you're going to take an L. So you need to know what the fuck you're getting into, man.
	So, again, if you want to go ahead and have a more traditional relationship like what you're advocating here, bro, go to Saudi Arabia.
	You know what I mean?
	Go to a Middle Eastern country where they observe...
	Those beliefs, take them more seriously than here.
	But I'm talking about in the West, man, where feminism is strong.
	You have to move differently.
	The game has changed.
	Alright?
	What else we got here?
	Kingdom001.
	Destiny is full of it when it comes to his relationship beliefs.
	His wife said he had problems with cheating and loyalty.
	That's part of the reason she insisted they have an open relationship.
	He actually lives a red pill life.
	Listen, I got all sorts of problems with my relationship, okay?
	At least he's making it work, I guess.
	HoneySuck says, question for Sneakle.
	What's your opinion on the drama that happened between Rolo and Nick?
	I didn't watch it, but you know Nick.
	Our Nick.
	Our guy.
	The next president of the United States in 2036.
	America First.
	What happened?
	What was the drama between them?
	What happened?
	I'm not sure I need to watch it.
	Ron Zero says, so it's not a high value man, but a high value man to women.
	Because the true value of a man won't ever be defined really by rather or not another gender like you.
	That's just a fringe benefit to being high value.
	Oh, nice.
	Good job.
	That guy should be a co-host.
	Yeah.
	No, but Rolo once again was mentioning High Value Man in itself.
	Brendan Hunter says, Hi guys, support from Malta.
	Wanted to say thanks for self-improvement and motivation.
	So listening to your podcast, I got promoted to an executive role and working for head of department.
	Keep doing this and it does help a lot.
	Shout out to you, bro.
	Alright.
	What else here?
	Three Diglets.
	Sneeko, when's the last time you busted a nut?
	You meet watching like crazy, bro.
	Damn.
	We got the dick police out tonight.
	I mean, that's a valid question.
	That's not...
	Mr.
	Tradcon?
	Yeah, go ahead, Mr.
	Tradcon.
	Go ahead, nigga.
	When did I say it was a Tradcon?
	It's in the name.
	Sneakon.
	Sneakon.
	Bro, were you not on this podcast less than a week ago?
	Did I say I was a tradcon?
	A leaf in the wind, bro.
	It's blowing.
	It's a specific question.
	When did I say I'm a tradcon?
	You don't have to say it, but you had traditional conservative beliefs about your family and all this other stuff.
	Why should guys waste their time having pointless sex, meaningless sex, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Don't stop the baby, Nico.
	You know what?
	That's hashtag Snickles Baby.
	R.I.P. What?
	Snickles Baby R.I.P.? I'm not killing it, baby.
	That's crazy me.
	You want me to go on a podcast right now and tell everyone, oh yeah, busted a nut yesterday.
	That's what you want me to say?
	Talk about my nut bust?
	Genuinely, that's what you want me to talk about?
	But you can't answer a specific question about vasectomies?
	I did!
	But I need to talk about nut busting?
	No, I didn't answer that.
	No, you didn't!
	Yes or no question.
	Bro, it's not black and white!
	It's not black and white!
	Every guy is different!
	I'm asking you a yes or no.
	I asked you a yes or no question and you ducked that.
	If you give me a specific scenario for the guy, then I can give you a specific answer for him.
	But again, I can't give a specific answer.
	It's general advice.
	Dude, generally, you heard us.
	Personally, we would not.
	It's funny, though, how you answered it for the girls, though.
	You would say that a girl, you should not freeze her eggs, and you would definitely get the same answer.
	Because women have a finite amount of time to have children.
	It's biological.
	That's the point of freezing your eggs.
	You don't have a finite amount of time.
	It's general for women, but it's not general for men.
	Because with women, their chances of having a child after they turn 30 drop off precipice.
	Not if she freezes her eggs.
	Not if she freezes her eggs.
	Are we the same?
	As women?
	Men and women are not the same.
	I feel like there should be a segment of this show now where I find the most retarded shit Rollo has said, and then I see how much you guys defend him.
	Because I know you motherfuckers don't want to defend this point, but because Rollo fucking said it, now you feel like you're roped into it.
	It's just the context, bro.
	Rollo.
	Can we get him on the phone, bro?
	I might call him.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because a blog talk, I'd like to fire it up and it would take some time.
	Or he could join StreamYard.
	Oh, shit.
	Actually, we could do that.
	I'm going to save the link.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Then that could be two.
	Okay.
	So we got here.
	Jay Wood.
	LOL St.
	Jim's comment.
	Fax machine.
	No printer.
	Destiny and his girl smashed dudes on the side.
	Sneak, I wish I had taken Rolo's advice.
	1K a month child support right here, sir.
	Times 18 years.
	You're young.
	You don't know.
	You don't know.
	Pull out, bro!
	Pull out, bro!
	You pull out game weak!
	Okay, that's true, but again, the whole vasectomy thing, like we said before, it's retard-proof for the people so that they don't make that mistake.
	So you're calling him a retard?
	He made a mistake, and he's telling you right now, he's acknowledging that mistake and saying like, damn, bro, I fucked up.
	So you're calling him, yeah, okay, so you're retarded.
	Pull out.
	What's wrong?
	I love how you...
	I mean, that's basically what you're saying.
	Look at the guy's picture, he looks retarded.
	All right, where are we at here?
	Yes, my vasectomies are 97%.
	Okay.
	Reversal within 10 years.
	That is not true.
	I don't know where you're getting that.
	It's 90% plus.
	It's like 30 to 60%.
	It's like 30 to 60% after 10 years.
	No, within.
	Within.
	No, within 10 years is not true.
	It's not 97% reversible.
	No, no.
	It's 90% within 10 years.
	Just look it up.
	I can Google it.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	However, vasectomies can still cause most men to be infertile after reversal surgery based on many studies.
	So Sneeko would be right in this case about Rolo comments.
	Oh, hold on.
	If we're going to play the well-actually game, that's probably true.
	The studies that I've seen isn't whether or not a vasectomy is reversible.
	It's how many of those men are fertile after.
	So it might be that you can get it reversed, but the fertility rate drops a ton.
	So I'm pretty sure fertility after 10 years is anywhere from 30 to 60%.
	But that doesn't mean it just magically zips to that after 10 years.
	Like, it's steadily going up every single year.
	Yeah, it takes time.
	It takes time.
	Okay, where are we at here?
	Okay, we got Cam from TMR Radio.
	Go, stop the cap.
	Statistically abstinence.
	Preaching doesn't work.
	The whole point of his post was to risk mitigation.
	Sneak goes being...
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	I read that one.
	Okay.
	A low hand.
	Can FBoy be a good dad?
	Yeah, why not?
	Yeah, but a whore can't be a good mom, right?
	No.
	Men and women are not the same, Nico.
	We all know this.
	Run zero, 50 bucks.
	Someone is fucking up, but it's not necessarily due to it being the other person's fault.
	Also, if you love, you'll let them go is true.
	Like, leaving someone because you know the toxicity will hurt them both, it shows maturity in the man.
	Love is freedom.
	Okay.
	Being able to walk away.
	Sentience.
	Oh.
	Welcome back, my friend.
	Yeah, welcome back.
	Where you been, man?
	He'd been to other places.
	Other places?
	Other podcasts.
	Okay, Lestini, you said love is an obligation to your partner while also saying if someone is bored in said relationship, they should walk away.
	So which is it?
	Good point.
	That's what I was trying to say earlier.
	That's a good point.
	That's not a good point.
	So which is it?
	Is it an obligation or a whimsical feeling?
	Talking quickly doesn't make you intelligent.
	It makes you a charlatan.
	Oh, sorry.
	I'll talk slower for this guy, okay?
	I see the $100 probably came from some social services fun farm, okay?
	He's a doctor!
	Listen, okay?
	Yeah, I doubt it.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Unless he's got a PhD in gender studies for red pillology.
	Okay, listen.
	Love is an obligation in that if you're trying to build a good relationship with somebody, there's a lot of problems that you have to work through.
	But that doesn't mean that you're obligated to stay through everything forever if the relationship is not working.
	Your obligation is to make the relationship work in whatever way you can.
	But if it can't, at some point you just have to walk away.
	So is boredom a valid reason to leave a marriage?
	It depends on what we mean by boredom.
	If boredom is like both partners don't like to see each other or do anything with each other, If they don't like to see each other do anything with each other, then yeah, that's a valid reason to break up.
	Why would you want to be bored with somebody?
	Why would you want to be in a relationship like that?
	So how is it an obligation if you can leave when you're bored?
	The obligation isn't to stay no matter what.
	It is.
	It says, till death do us part within marriage.
	That's the whole creed of marriage.
	If you leave because you feel like it, why are you getting married?
	Boredom is a terrible reason to get divorced.
	Okay, you guys sound like you're...
	That goes against the whole vow of marriage.
	We're not looking at marital vows in terms of how to rent.
	You guys pick and choose your How would you feel if your girl was like, you know what?
	I'm bored.
	Bye.
	If my girl was bored of my relationship, yeah, I'd feel bad.
	I'd try to do something to alleviate it.
	But if I can't, then yeah, of course, I'd expect this to break up.
	Why would I want to be with somebody who's bored with me?
	But that means, just because she feels bored, she can leave at any point in time, and you're going to be on a hook.
	Yeah, we live in a society where both people can walk away at any point in time.
	It's called not having fucking slavery, okay?
	Yeah, but you're on the hook, though.
	She's not.
	Well, it depends on if you've got kids and whatnot, yeah.
	It seems like there's no reason that you got married, then.
	If there's no obligation besides like, if something really happened, if there's some terrible infidelity, or you beat her, or like she's extremely depressed, but boredom is a terrible reason to end a marriage.
	Is it a good reason to end a relationship?
	A relationship is more lenient, yeah.
	Okay, you guys are on some other shit.
	I personally don't give a fuck about marriage.
	What?
	Yeah, I'm not like, I think it's a piece of paper to me, right?
	So why did you get married?
	Because she, how else is she gonna get in the country?
	She's Swedish.
	If we're not married, we can't live together.
	See, it benefited her, but not you.
	Well, it benefited me because I get to live with my wife.
	Sorry, I had a fresh moment there.
	Okay.
	It's a benefit to me, okay?
	But yeah, if you want to get married to make it official, there's some financial benefits as well, arguably, when it comes to filing taxes.
	For her.
	Miniscule, though.
	For both people, mainly for the men, actually.
	There's no benefits of marriage for men.
	There absolutely is.
	It's a tax benefit.
	Miniscule.
	The risk that you're taking to get that small tax benefit is not worth it.
	There's a risk in everything you do in life.
	There's a risk in relationships.
	Of course, but in that situation, the risks from divorce...
	Far outweigh the tax benefits.
	Okay, are you just going to tell men to buy some real estate?
	Do you understand that there's like common law marriage in like 24 fucking states too?
	So you're telling men don't live with your significant others either?
	No, yes.
	Don't.
	We tell guys don't get married and don't live with your girl.
	What kind of relationships are you guys even talking about then?
	She lives somewhere else, you live somewhere else.
	Yeah, they come together every now and then.
	We'll do a sleepover.
	Don't live with a girl, bro.
	Good to see you.
	You go back home with your girlfriend.
	Bro, again, we're talking from a defensive standpoint to protect the guy.
	Like, don't live with the girl, don't get married.
	Absolutely, yeah.
	And here's the other reason why it's bad.
	I don't suggest guys live with girls.
	Like, number one, that mystery is gone.
	Number two, you're gonna get softened up living with your girl because she's gonna be like, oh, hang out with me, I have ice cream, all this other bullshit.
	Like, nah, man, you need to be by yourself or live with other guys that got their shit together so you stay sharp.
	Yep.
	You're living with the bro squad.
	Or live by yourself.
	Is that so you guys can have the keys to your chastity cages while you're all bunking together?
	Can you give me the key tonight?
	Like, I want to go fuck somebody?
	Like, yeah, but I'm going to tape the condom on your little peepee before you do that.
	Here's the thing, because men are inherently competitive.
	You can't make gay jokes if you're bisexual.
	You can't make gay jokes.
	I can make gay jokes because I'm bisexual.
	It makes it extra okay.
	I'm not even gay enough to live with other guys.
	You're calling it gay if men who are friends or if I live with my brother, then that's gay.
	That sounds like the gayest shit in the world.
	You actually are gay if you live with your wife.
	What you're saying does not apply.
	The guys on Grindr on average are less gay than guys who are like, I don't live with my significant other 10 years because I'm shacked up with bros that are high-value men so we can fucking slap each other's dicks on the way in and out of the bathroom while we help each other with our high-value lifestyle.
	That sounds like the gayest shit in the world.
	Here's the thing.
	I didn't say...
	Like, you need to live with other guys.
	What I'm saying is that it's better to either live with other dudes or live by yourself.
	But don't live with your girls is my main point.
	That's the takeaway.
	Okay.
	Don't live with your girls.
	Do you guys like living with women?
	No.
	No.
	Once in a while, I'll see you like once a month or like once a week or something like that, but absolutely not.
	Do you guys not like your partners?
	No, it's just that living with a girl softens you up, bro.
	They become insufferable.
	But as a man, that environment is not healthy long term.
	Absolutely not.
	That's all we're saying.
	You know what the Quran says?
	You should just avoid your wives when they're on their periods.
	Don't even see them.
	Just be away from them.
	You shouldn't be around your woman.
	I'm like, yeah, exactly.
	This is exactly what I was looking for.
	It solves all the problems.
	Why would you want to be with her all the time?
	She's always emotional.
	She's always going to have a problem.
	She's going to want to put her legs on your legs while you're just chilling.
	You're just telling me you hate women.
	No, they're great sometimes, and then they get too much, and then go away.
	You could handle being with a woman all the time, but you could handle living with several high-value men at the same time.
	That sounds way more enjoyable.
	I'm just saying it sounds a little gay.
	Well, no, because you'll have more similarities with them.
	Going to the gym, making money, discussing fucking getting better.
	The only people that call that gay are actual gay people.
	Okay.
	Like, men understand that.
	Like, why would I want to live with a chick all the time?
	Is she gonna be nagging?
	But, like, a dude who actually sucks dick is calling a gay if I live with another guy.
	Yeah, that sounds super...
	I wouldn't even want to be a red man that much, but...
	Clearly you do!
	I don't live with a man, though.
	I live with a woman.
	Alright, let's move on, man.
	Where are we at here?
	We'll get off Twitter and Facebook.
	Come on over to YouTube and Rumble, Ninjas.
	And also, we've got Rollo joining us shortly.
	Oh, Rollo's here!
	Oh, he's already here.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	Do we have anything else more we read before we bring Rollo on?
	Let me finish the season and we'll bring Rollo on.
	Destiny, when I was 28, I dated a woman seven years older than me.
	She got triggered one day when I was listening to my favorite rock band because her ex liked the same music.
	That's part of the baggage older women come with.
	No thanks, never again.
	Okay.
	Angel.
	D, there is a large number of women on social media promoting starter husband culture.
	It's all over TikTok and feminist blogs.
	Divorce is planned before the wedding.
	Why do women get crappy about prenups if it's for love?
	Till death do us part.
	See?
	Yeah, women don't.
	Yeah.
	They don't care, bro.
	If they don't feel a certain way, they're going to divorce.
	That's why they initiate it.
	So Fraz Zaman goes, how can Desi talk about relationships when he has an open relationship while he is married?
	So ask him who initiated an open relationship.
	If he says it's him, we all know it's Cap.
	I mean, we started a relationship open.
	The whole point is, I like to fuck around.
	I'm never going to date somebody that's in a close relationship.
	That's my choice.
	But if you think it's Cap, then you can think it's Cap.
	I don't give a fuck.
	I don't need a ton of people.
	Well, he's asking who initiated it, you or your girl.
	We started it open.
	No, no, no.
	But someone had to initiate it.
	He said, hey, I want this first.
	It started that way.
	She's had a mainstream.
	She's always been open.
	She's always done open relationships, and I've unfortunately cheated in relationships.
	So if I was ever going to date somebody again, it could never be a close thing.
	So I found her.
	She does open relationships, and she introduced me to the concept.
	She's like, oh yeah, sometimes I fuck around, and even though I'm dating, I'm like, oh, that sounds fucking awesome.
	So he followed her protocol.
	She took the leader.
	She was the masculine role on that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you're calling us, Gary?
	Bro, one kid is 25% of your income, three additional percent for each kid, up to 9% total, 34% of your income.
	Pre-tax is 99% of the time you have to maintain insurance.
	Add another $6,000 to $1,000 a month.
	Please give this man with 6-9 stupid.
	Yeah, I mean...
	I mean, that's the one thing I disagree with Destiny on.
	I think that divorce significantly hurts men more than women.
	I mean, Destiny disagrees, but that's fine.
	But that's fine.
	We'll keep going.
	Taylor.
	Destiny, if women initiate 80% of divorce but fare worse after, are they acting against their best interest by getting a divorce?
	If so, why?
	There's a difference between faring worse after divorce and faring worse as a result of the divorce.
	Hmm.
	Yeah, you guys just don't think about, like, relationships at all.
	Like, it's not just about the numbers for people.
	Like, some people are unhappy in their relationships, so they leave.
	But I think you guys just don't compute that at all.
	It's all about, like, numbers and game and red pill and, like, some people just are miserable in their relationships and they leave.
	They divorce.
	I'm just saying, my stance was simply this.
	Women fare better after divorce than men do.
	You don't agree.
	That's fine.
	I think when you look at it from the totality of the circumstances, from a financial standpoint, from having other prospects, from being able to get back into the sexual marketplace in an advantageous position, I think women have a better ability to do that post-divorce than men do.
	That's my argument.
	I understand.
	I disagree.
	Eight times more likely to self-delete.
	That's fine.
	And I think that's the beauty of this is that we can agree.
	That's my stance.
	You disagree.
	That's fine.
	Emmanuel Cephas goes, I want to give a special thanks to Myron for helping me find my purpose currently pursuing a career in federal law enforcement.
	I will make it my mission to find a way to put Sneeko in federal prison when I get that badge.
	You're not going to catch me, bro.
	You're not going to catch me.
	For what, though?
	What did I do?
	I don't know.
	Our relationship starts with sex now, so if you have more opportunities to have sex You have opportunities for dating, but for women, it probably won't be their first choice.
	Okay, I get what you're saying.
	They get more opportunities significantly, which means they have more ability to find a guy in all those opportunities for a real relationship.
	Okay.
	Okay, we'll bring Rolo in right now.
	Shout out to Rolo Tomasi.
	Shout out to Rolo in the building.
	And then, guys, from this point forward, I'm only going to read 50 and up because we already got 22K watching right now.
	So number one before we bring Rolo in...
	Go subscribe to Sneeko on Rumble.
	Rumble.com slash Sneeko.
	Go subscribe to Destiny also on Rumble.
	And he's on YouTube.
	Get the book.
	And go get the Rational Mail too, man!
	And join the CEO of Network, man.
	That's the value.
	I just want to say, if you guys are serious about selling the book, you really should have did the audiobook version with Fresh Reading It.
	I would buy that.
	And it has to be a special edition filmed in one take.
	Oh, but that would be really bad.
	One take, no edits.
	Let's go ahead and bring Rolo Tomasi on.
	Shout out to Rolo.
	Can I hear you okay?
	What up, man?
	Yeah, we got you.
	Okay, okay.
	So let me explain a few things here.
	I wasn't able to do this the last time you guys were talking about this, but...
	So, about, gosh, is it now two weeks ago?
	I think it was Tuesday of last week, you guys had Brandon Carter on.
	Is that with Derek Moneyberg?
	Or is that Monday?
	Monday.
	Sorry, let me get my camera.
	So, Monday, you guys were talking to Brandon Carter.
	One of the things that Brandon was talking about was, you gotta love money.
	You gotta be on top of your game.
	And I love Brandon Carter, by the way.
	I think he should be a stand-up comedian.
	I mean, the guy is that funny.
	He's a great guy, right?
	But when you guys are on that show, and you're talking to him, and he's talking about how he doesn't go to Publix, doesn't go grocery shopping for himself, he doesn't go do his own laundry, he doesn't have a car.
	I mean, it's Brickle White, right?
	But he doesn't have some basic stuff because his philosophy in life is this, is that anything that takes him away from his grind, anything that takes him away from anything that would distract him or that would be financially or mathematically not a pragmatic choice for him to make as far as if he's spending time going grocery shopping or going and getting food for himself or whatever else.
	I'm sure he's into meal prep and everything else.
	Pretty much everything in his life is outsourced because anything that he would be spending that time himself to go do, he could be losing money doing that at that time.
	When I was listening to this, and I was thinking about this myself because I was actually at the same time helping a friend move and all this, I'm thinking about this.
	I'm going, you know what?
	If you want to be a high-value man, if you want to get to that apex level as fast as you can, how is that not the best way to go about it?
	The point of that whole tweet, which was basically a throwaway tweet that everyone started snowballing into something else.
	I've got Ben Shapiro coming at me.
	I got Matt Walsh coming at me.
	I got Lauren Chen coming at me.
	I got all these people off of Daily Wire because it was just easy, low-hanging fruit for these guys because they think that that's what the fucking manosphere is all about.
	And it's not, okay?
	That was not fucking advice.
	Everything that is on Twitter is not advice, okay?
	Was that a joke?
	No, it was not to say a joke, but it's like, let's just say it's a hypothetical, okay?
	It's showing you...
	Now, let's just fuck up for just fucking five seconds, okay?
	There's no fucking joke here, because everything that's come out of all of you guys' mouth has been nothing but distraction and misdirection, because it's easy fucking clicks for you.
	So here's the whole thing.
	When I'm talking about get a vasectomy, or don't be concerned with...
	When he's mad, his glasses get uneven on his nose, you see?
	Okay, really?
	I'm really mad about this, bro.
	Shall we keep going?
	Are we just going to have jokes thrown in here?
	Is that what I get to do?
	Okay, so here's the deal.
	When I'm talking about this, when I'm throwing this out there, why wouldn't you do that?
	Would you not have been more successful, Sneeko, had you not had to go through certain things?
	If you had a kid, you would be playing the game with a handicap.
	You'd be playing the game with your fucking hands tied behind your back.
	There are guys right now who I have a lot of respect for, and I'm sure you have a lot of respect for as well.
	Who all have kids, but you know what they try to do?
	Try to keep it under wraps.
	Nobody knows about the fucking kids.
	First off, this is not fucking advice.
	Everything that is on my show or is on Twitter is not automatically advice.
	But here's the thing.
	I know what you're going to say, because here's the deal.
	When I was on whatever podcast I was telling this, I was saying exactly the same thing here.
	Everything that comes out of somebody's mouth on Instagram or on Twitter or on YouTube, there's no way you can't go on there without somebody going, this is what these guys are saying to do.
	Because if you have this set automatically, that if it comes out of your mouth, it's automatically advice.
	It can't just be data.
	It can't just be statistics.
	It can't be nothing can be just delivered.
	Here's some data for you to look at.
	Nothing can be given to you without somebody going, well, the reason why you're telling me this is because you're telling me that this is the best way to live my life.
	So when I'm watching Brendan Carter and I'm watching all this going on, and I'm looking at guys that I know and guys that you know as well, And when these are the guys who are like saying, you know, be on your game, do this, do that.
	They're the ones that are giving this advice.
	All I'm doing is saying, hey, look, maybe you should not focus on family.
	Maybe you should not get married.
	I mean, that's I don't know why that's big advice.
	I'm not saying it's I'm not saying it's advice.
	What I'm saying is that is over the fucking top that everybody wants to take it out of out of context, which is exactly what you guys have been doing.
	Can you tell me what that tweet was if it wasn't advice?
	It's not advice.
	What it is, it's saying that this is the most extreme way to do things, okay?
	Here's the quickest path to, if I told you this, look, if I said the quickest way for you to make a million dollars is to go steal it from the bank or go to steal it, does that mean I'm telling you to go steal it?
	If I tell you to go fucking jump off a cliff, are you going to go jump off a cliff?
	By the way, here's the other thing.
	I'm also responding to Dr.
	Richard Reeves in this as well.
	Okay, there's a lot of context about it, sure.
	But all the rest of the list, you're equating vasectomy to lifting, game, play to your strength, resisting up on easing your focus.
	The rest of it sounds like general advice.
	Let me ask you, is it the vasectomy part that's throwing you off?
	Genuine good advice, right?
	Is it the vasectomy part?
	Do you agree with pretty much everything else except for the vasectomy part?
	The first three is weird because then I don't even know what the red pill idea of a high-value man is.
	Is it just being rich?
	What's the point of having all this money and not having a family?
	Why be that rich?
	The guy who's always grinding.
	Whoa, Brandon Carter doesn't have to do his laundry.
	Sick.
	What else are you going to do with your life?
	Right.
	Right.
	Maybe this is actually meant so that you'll get it.
	You'll have a freaking epiphany about how all the shit that you have to sacrifice to get to that in the first place.
	What are you willing to sacrifice?
	Are you willing to live the kind of life, let's say, like a Brandon Carter is where you're going to outsource your entire life?
	Or are you going to actually...
	Is that something that's a priority for you?
	Because I'll tell you right now that if you do, if you follow this kind of, if you were to actually follow this list right here, that is the fastest way for you to get to a point where you are more high value, right?
	So here's the thing.
	So when I say that, people go, well, that's not what a high value man is.
	A high-value man is what I define it as, which is he's got to have a good, loving, devoted wife.
	He's got to have three or four kids or ten kids, depending on whatever culture you're talking about.
	All this stuff that makes up whatever that person who happens to have that is, then that's suddenly the definition of what a high-value man is.
	So what I'm saying, I'm saying this is the best way to become a high-value man.
	I'm not saying this is the only way to become a high-value man.
	I'm just saying that this is the fastest way to go and do something like that.
	We've been talking a lot for five minutes.
	What is your definition of a high-value man?
	It doesn't matter.
	That's not what I was talking about in this.
	That's not what you're talking about.
	That's what the first part of the tweet is.
	How to become a high-value man.
	The fastest way to become a high-value man is to recognize the fact that you've got sacrifices to make.
	Okay?
	It's like Grandpa telling stories from Vietnam.
	Just say, what is a high-value man?
	It's the first part of the tweet.
	What does that mean?
	You tell me what a high-value man is.
	It doesn't matter what I'm going to say is a high-value man.
	Because it's your fucking tweet.
	It doesn't matter what I say as a fucking high-value man, because everybody takes this.
	The point of the fucking tweet is that everybody is going to take this and then insert their own definition of what a fucking high-value man is.
	That's the bait.
	Then your tweet doesn't work, does it?
	What if your definition of a high-value man is getting into a trade and having five kids by the time you're 22?
	What if your high-value man is being an esports professional?
	You're absolutely making my point for me right here, okay?
	This is what I'm saying.
	My point is that high-value man, you gave a list of eight things.
	Do these eight things to become a high-value man.
	Do one through eight to become A. And you're not defining what A is.
	The fastest way to becoming a high-value man is these two ways.
	What is that?
	So here's the thing.
	So if we're talking about family creation...
	Okay, let's go one by one.
	You want to go one by one?
	No, I want to go before one by one.
	What is a high-value man?
	We can't have an argument if I don't even know...
	The very fact that you're even asking this in the first place is the actual point of the fucking tweet, okay?
	So if you're going to be a high-value man with the fucking hands tied behind your back, then what does that mean to you?
	That's the point.
	This whole discussion is the point of the fucking tweet.
	One of the tweet was, you've got some conception of a high value man, here are eight points that you think you need to do to get to it, and now you're getting blown the fuck up on the vasectomy thing, which you probably realize is fucking retarded, but you're too old and stubborn to walk back from it.
	That's the point of this conversation.
	I'm not too stubborn to fucking walk back from it because the point of it was to get douche nozzles like yourself to fucking have this conversation in the first place.
	How old are you, bro?
	Douche nozzles?
	Yes.
	You guys are fucking idiots.
	Why do you guys come in here from fucking Twitch stream?
	Like how you guys are legitimate in all of this?
	I don't know because everything I hear come out of you guys' mouth is just fucking confident ignorance.
	No, no, no, no.
	Myron, Myron.
	Okay, I'm not asking you like in terms of the debate.
	You call yourself the godfather of the red pill.
	You call myself the godfather of the manosphere, okay?
	Other people have called me that.
	Okay, great.
	Do you understand?
	Okay, so as that...
	The grandfather or grandfather of the man, which one is it?
	Whatever it is, the old guy of the manosphere.
	What is your definition of high-value man?
	This is the number one talked-about topic on all of these shows, so I want to get a clear definition from you.
	What is it?
	Again, it depends on the person.
	It depends on the culture.
	So here's the thing.
	Maybe I can explain this to you, Sneeko, because at least you got your ears open here.
	The thing is that when we're talking about what's the top G, what's a high-value guy, you probably haven't heard this because you don't read my stuff and you don't watch my shit.
	But I've also said this.
	The red pill has to be for everybody or it's for nobody.
	So if we're looking at a guy who's draped across a Lamborghini and he's got hot chicks with him and we say, that's what I'm aspiring to, but I'll never make that because I live in a fucking fishing village on the coast of Chile, right?
	That means I can never match that high apex of a high pill.
	The guy in the car?
	Yeah.
	But the guy who happens to live in those villages or happens to be in a different culture or in a different country or whatever else, he can still benefit from that because however he's defining himself as a high-value man in his fishing village, maybe that's what he can aspire to.
	It has nothing to do with Chile and the village and the car.
	See, here's the thing.
	You guys want me to say, okay, a high-value man makes $100,000 a year.
	He's fucked 50 chicks.
	That's the thing.
	That's not what I want you to say.
	I disagree with that.
	What I'm saying is the point of the tweet is so you'll ask that question.
	I'm past the tweet.
	I'm past that.
	Look, I'm asking as somebody who's really interested in the red pill.
	I listen to a lot of this content.
	I want to know what your definition is because if you have a definition that's completely off of what I think it is, then I guess I'm not red pill.
	Well, here's what I think guys ought to do.
	Would you like me to give you some prescriptions?
	Is that what we're trying for here?
	I want to know your opinion of a high-value man.
	What is it?
	I think a high-value man is whatever is contextually makes that guy a high-value guy in whatever culture that he happens to be in.
	If that's money, that's money.
	Right now, that's what we tend to focus on right now.
	If I'm going to say that...
	A high-value man is a guy that has the things that makes him a high-value man.
	All right, let me make you a high-value man.
	Okay, what is that?
	We're trying to define it.
	Because here's the thing.
	When I read the tweet, I interpreted it, right, like, he's listing things that if you follow these things, right, and you actually follow them, you're probably not going to become a fuck-up, right?
	And to be a high-value guy, I would say it's a couple combination of things.
	Yeah.
	Obviously, having your money on point, having social proof and status, having respect from your peers, having a network of other high-value men, which I agree with Kevin Samuels on that, being fit to a degree.
	If you have all these things in place, you'll be considered a high-value man by most people in most societies, if you have these things in place.
	Now, with that said, to get there...
	Right?
	You obviously have to focus and get your shit together and make sure that you focus on getting there.
	What he's saying is all these, the list of things that he mentioned, if you follow them, it's going to mitigate your risk of becoming a fuck up and not getting to that point as quickly as possible.
	And I think that's so important is that this tweet kind of gets taken out of context.
	He's saying the quickest way to become a high value man, avoid and do these things because you're limiting distractions.
	And he's using Brandon Carter as an example where he's in a monogamous relationship with a girl.
	He outsourced a lot of his things.
	Why?
	So he's able to focus on making more money.
	He's getting rid of obstacles.
	And I think that tweet demonstrates that.
	He's getting rid of obstacles so you can become a high value man in the quickest possible way.
	Now, I know the most controversial one is the vasectomy.
	Though, there's other ways to get the same, I guess, effect from vasectomy.
	Let's say you use a condom.
	Let's say you pull out whatever it may be.
	He's saying, okay, if you get the vasectomy, then we know for a fact they're not going to have children.
	Yeah.
	It's really no different than having a condom or pulling out or whatever it may be.
	The point is to not get a girl pregnant.
	How you want to get there is up to you, whether it's through a vasectomy, using condoms, whatever.
	But he's making it retard-proof.
	Hey, vasectomy, because I know even if you are the dumbest guy ever, you can't fuck this up.
	I don't think a retarded guy could be a high-value guy.
	No, when I say retarded, I mean as in stupid.
	But what I'm saying is that the point I'm trying to make is this list...
	Is the foolproof way, if everything is followed, for you to get your status up as quickly as possible in your 20s.
	That's not what the list is, though.
	Because what you just said was advice, and he said it's clearly not advice, so.
	You're interpreting a different way.
	He said he's joking and he's trying to provoke people.
	Yeah, he was just joking, like half of it was just for jokes.
	But I'm telling you, I started out telling you guys how I interpreted that, right?
	So that people can interpret it how they want to create discussion.
	That's the point.
	That's what he's saying.
	He asked a question earlier.
	Sir, you asked him a question, what is high value?
	You answered it.
	It's whatever you determine that to be.
	No, that's bullshit.
	None of you guys believe that.
	If some guy comes on this show and he weighs 350 pounds and he says, I'm diamond one in League of Legends.
	That's what I want to do with my life.
	Would you go, well, that's what you really want.
	You're high value.
	You wouldn't say that.
	No, but once again, it starts in the mind.
	You're going to say, for example, oh, that's not true, which I agree is not true.
	But ultimately, you as a man decide what's high value for you.
	No, you don't!
	Yes, you do.
	Value is probably something that's determined by society.
	High value?
	Value means that you have a worth to other people.
	You're just talking about being comfortable, having high self-esteem.
	I agree, but the tweet...
	Don't say you agree with me, I just said the total opposite that you just said.
	No, no, no.
	I agree on a point where, for example, people determine you as high value.
	However, the tweet saying high value could mean, in your sense, whatever that means to you.
	No, it doesn't.
	What?
	That's what he's saying!
	No, he's not.
	He doesn't know because he doesn't have a good definition because he knows if he says anything, he's going to get pinned down on it.
	You sound like the girls who believe they're a 10 because they describe themselves as a 10 in the mirror.
	If you brought in something, you're missing the point.
	And he's like, I'm high value because I'm a manager at my McDonald's.
	You probably wouldn't agree that he's high value.
	The point is that when he says high value, you're going to determine that as a man.
	What does that mean for you?
	Success is a part of it, yes, but their success could be owning a farm or having a business.
	It doesn't matter.
	He's saying to get to that point, you need focus.
	Ultimately, that's what he's saying.
	Just be focused.
	I mean, look, we make fun of the girls all the time for saying that they're 10 out of 10s.
	All the time because they say it in their head, I believe I'm a 10 out of 10.
	No, that's ridiculous because society determines how attractive you are.
	Society determines how valuable you are.
	You can't apply that a lot.
	You can't make fun of the girl, the ugly fat whale who thinks she's a 10 girl boss queen, and then also say a high value man can believe it in his head.
	Well, I gave you guys a 10.
	You have a good definition.
	You talked about being relatively fit, having a network of people that are very social.
	Yeah, of course.
	Because here's the thing.
	For me, I will define it because that will allow you guys to see where I'm coming from when I'm interpreting the information.
	Yeah, we know where you're coming from, but we have the tweet author here.
	He doesn't know where he's coming from.
	He seems a little lost right now, so we're trying to figure out what exactly he means.
	But I think, again...
	I think that's the important part of the tweet, is that it allows people to interpret it how they want, which is why we're talking about it right now.
	I'm giving advice to people.
	I don't want them to interpret it how they want.
	Otherwise, what the fuck is the point of my message?
	We're not giving advice to people.
	That's the whole point of this.
	It's impossible to put anything out there without people interpreting it.
	Follow these fucking steps.
	Here's your 12 rules for life and you're going to live a happy fucking life.
	That's literally what your tweet was.
	Do these things.
	What is the wording of the tweet?
	Go back to the tweet itself.
	So in that wording, what's the last part of that?
	What's the last one?
	Resist easing up on your focus.
	Do you want me to insert what you ought to be doing?
	You ought to be coding.
	Is that what I should say?
	You ought to be becoming a professional athlete.
	I don't know what your fucking strengths are.
	You can simplify and say work hard.
	Again, so here's the thing.
	If I say, you know what, you ought to be an NBA player, and it doesn't matter if it's your 5'9", fucking stay on your focus, and you're going to be the best NBA player you can possibly be.
	That would be terrible advice.
	That would be absolutely terrible advice, because this is a fucking advice.
	That's why, okay?
	This is a list that is meant...
	So you get an idea of what the fuck it is that you're going to do so that you can become that high-value man.
	Protect yourself.
	Don't get married.
	Avoid family creation.
	Vasectomy.
	Again, this is over-the-top shit.
	Anybody who knows anything about my material, when I throw this out there, they know this is over-the-top shit.
	But beads of fucking fire for douche nozzles.
	I don't want to be a douche nozzle, but what else?
	Besides number three, what else here is over-the-top?
	Besides vasectomy.
	Oh, live consistently, okay?
	Well, what if, like, some people say, well, that's vanity, right?
	Mario, there's no way you agree with that, saying live consistently.
	Well, actually, hold on, hold on.
	For Rolo, it might be, okay?
	To be fair.
	Guys, see, here's the thing.
	But you're missing, like, are you not hearing anything he's saying?
	Like, do you need to blindly agree with him?
	Because nothing he's saying is making any sense, bro.
	It's not making any sense to you because you don't understand the fucking concept of the tweet.
	That's why.
	You can't even thoroughly understand what I... Okay, let me hold this up here.
	Did you understand what I was saying about Brandon Carter?
	Yeah, he doesn't do his laundry.
	No, but he's taken everything to this extreme level.
	To a lot of guys.
	Okay, would you agree with me that Brandon Carter is a high-value guy?
	Sure.
	Okay, you know who wouldn't?
	Ben Shapiro.
	You know who wouldn't?
	A lot of other people because they think that they're living out their own high-value ideal.
	Do you understand that?
	Context.
	Like the 350-pound esports player is living out his ideal of a high-value man.
	Whether or not that's working for him is irrelevant to the fucking tweet.
	When I say, okay, when I'm talking about Brandon Carter, you say you understand that.
	He's taking it to this extreme level.
	What do you think Brandon Carter's definition of a high-value man is?
	Probably the same as mine.
	Which is?
	If you're determined by society, if you have respect from your community, then you are a high-value person if people respect you.
	So, being pro-social and having people like you and...
	I know you don't agree with him because he's Daily Wire.
	Ben Shapiro is definitely a high-value man.
	Okay, but...
	Okay, so let's just say for a second...
	He does.
	He said so.
	You don't think Ben Shapiro is a high-value man?
	Let's take for...
	Do I think he is?
	I don't think he's a high-value man.
	What is his definition?
	He owns his own business.
	It's like one of the most successful alt-media platforms in the world.
	He's married.
	Right, right, right.
	You know who else is not a high-value guy?
	Elon Musk.
	Let's see.
	Who else?
	Jeff Bezos.
	All you got to do is just go...
	All you have to do is look at the decisions they've made in their personal lives, okay?
	How are we going to define that?
	If I'm going to define that...
	You haven't.
	You're the only one here who hasn't defined it.
	Because I'm not the one defining it for fucking Jeff Bezos.
	I'm not the one defining it for fucking...
	What's his name?
	I think she's a 10 as long as that's how she defines beauty to herself.
	You guys just defined Brandon Carter as a high-value guy, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so that fits your definition of a high-value guy, but I will tell you right now that that would not fit the same definition that, say, Ben Shapiro would have for a high-value guy because he doesn't have his babies on point.
	He doesn't have this on point.
	He's not going to a church or synagogue every day, right?
	So to him, he's not necessarily a high-value guy.
	I don't think a church or synagogue has to do with high value.
	That's the way that other people would define it.
	Exactly.
	Is that true?
	Value is not subjective.
	When we talk about value, we're usually talking about some sort of exchange in a market.
	Value is usually what are people willing to do or give for a certain thing.
	It's not defined by this.
	If one man is on an island with no value.
	No, this one over your head.
	It's the idea of being high value.
	No, no, there is no idea of being high value.
	And if it was anybody else on the show, you guys would be roasting the fuck out of them for saying that's your idea of being high value.
	You would be roasting.
	If any of the girls come here, because you do this to girls all the time, she goes, right, like, I think I'm a 10.
	It's like, why?
	Because I'm so special and blah, blah, blah.
	You're not special.
	I just gave you Brandon Carter as an example.
	I just gave you Brandon Carter.
	We can use any example, any single example you want.
	You could be the 500 pound guy who just does esports or can be like Brandon Carter or the top G. Any one of those guys.
	The thing still applies.
	All right, look, look, look.
	Are you better off without the instructions?
	Are you better off without the bank?
	Everyone here has kind of a different thing.
	Like me, I've defined it.
	This is what I think makes you high value.
	You might have a different take on it.
	You might have a different take on it.
	I've defined it, and then I took my interpretation off.
	What you said, if you want to get these things, and it makes sense to me, those things that you listed.
	But I'm seeing here that everyone here kind of has a different interpretation.
	Wait, that's not true.
	All four of us probably roughly agree on what makes you high value.
	No, we don't.
	The three of us probably do.
	Ben Shapiro said, you said they have high value.
	I don't think he is.
	Having some amount of physical fitness, we all agree that that's decently valuable, correct?
	On some level, yeah.
	Okay.
	Having some amount of social status, so you've got the attention of a lot of people and you're influential.
	We all agree on that, right?
	Having some amount of financial success, right?
	You have freedom to take off your family, retire if you want to, even at an early age.
	We all agree with that, right?
	Okay.
	And having some level of success with your family and friends, right?
	We all roughly agree on that, right?
	Okay.
	If you have those four things in check, you're probably a high value man.
	No.
	It's more than that.
	See, here's what he's saying.
	I can add more to it because for me, in my head, what I have value is is way more than that.
	To you, that might be important, but to me, that's not everything.
	What's a key component missing from what I said?
	Is a high-value guy the guy that marries somebody from a foreign country and brings them over here so she can get citizenship?
	Because that's your family dynamic.
	My family dynamic is different than that.
	Does that make me high-value or low-value?
	Exactly.
	It's going to depend on the person.
	If I'm in a heterosexual marriage for 27 years and not in a polycule or some shit, it's like some people will say, you're high-value because you do that.
	People will say, Rola, you can't be red pill because you're married.
	You can't be married because you're red pill.
	Okay?
	And suddenly I'm blue pill because I'm actually in a relationship where it's like clothes on her end, clothes on her end, and clothes on my end.
	But if I go and I talk to the top G or I talk to somebody who's like in an open relationship, is that guy high value because of that?
	This is not a judgment call.
	I'm just saying that the definition is going to be different.
	Even if you have all those things, even each one of those things that you just mentioned, it's still subject to the context.
	I agree with what you said, Destiny.
	What I'm saying is that from within each one of those attributes, people are going to have something wildly different.
	And you know what they're going to do?
	They're going to use that for fucking blog fodder and topics to go and do quick hit videos on because they just want click-through rate for something like that.
	What would we say about women?
	If we say, what is a high-value woman?
	You tell me, man.
	It's like, again, this is the definition.
	This is like your wheelhouse.
	This is your chance to steamroll.
	I don't think you understand why fucking wheelhouse is.
	Quite honestly, I don't think you do.
	Isn't that what you do?
	Your name is the rational male.
	Yeah, a high-value woman is.
	I don't talk about high-value women, dude.
	In fact, if anything, I say there's no such thing as a quality woman because it's an ideal that guys have in their heads.
	There's no such thing as a quality woman?
	No such thing as a quality woman because guys have this, the quality woman is an ideal, but we can talk about that when I get there.
	But the thing is, is this, is like when you're building a relationship or when you have this idea in your head, you want to know why guys get into so much fucking trouble in their marriages?
	It's because of that ideal.
	Because every guy who ever got married thought that she was the best fucking thing in the world.
	Otherwise, he wouldn't have got married to her.
	And then Tilly gets across the divorce table from her.
	Now she's a fucking evil man.
	You genuinely don't think that there's quality women in the world?
	I think that there are women who have different attributes than others that match very well with guys.
	Sure, there are good cliques, of course.
	But the thing is, the idea of the quality woman is an ideal that guys have that gets them into a lot of trouble.
	That's why.
	They're in love with the ideal, not the actual person.
	There aren't high-value men, but there aren't high-value women.
	There aren't high-value men and there aren't high-value women.
	It just depends on who we're talking about.
	I don't know what the hell he's talking about, bro.
	I don't even know what the fuck we're talking about.
	I feel like I need to do mushrooms before I come on this show.
	That's what it feels like, the kind of conversation I'm having right now.
	No, you know what it is, Destiny, is you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
	I'm surprised because you write about this all the time.
	You wrote a whole book about it.
	People, they really respect it.
	I have no idea.
	You guys might be confused because I'm the one that says there's no such thing as a high-value woman.
	A woman gets her value directly from a man that she gets in a relationship with.
	Because all women have value, but not all men have value.
	All women don't have the same value.
	Don't even think about it.
	You know that's not true.
	If I give you a woman with 100 bodies and a woman with zero bodies, if I give you a woman that's 500 pounds, if I give you one with five kids, so...
	Here's my thing.
	Okay, here's my thing, because I've said this before.
	I know men must become and women are.
	I know you're about to do this.
	But I'm just saying there are some women that are better than others.
	Of course.
	But all women have value to some level.
	But not all men have value because men have to build their shit up.
	So what I'm saying is that a high value woman gets her value from being with a high value man.
	I don't even think that's true.
	All men have value.
	The metric of success for a female is being able to get the best man that they can get.
	And men can build and do things.
	In places like China, where you're limited to the men of children, what do they do?
	They opt for boys.
	Because they can go out and work and fucking get jobs and shit and do things around the fucking house or whatever.
	Yeah, fucking 1980s.
	The one-shot policy hasn't been around since the mid-90s, dude.
	Sure, but when it was, it was grossly favoring the birth of boys.
	Because you could do more with boys than you could with women.
	That was a prescription.
	And now they're facing the consequences of that.
	Well, so is Japan.
	That's a super homogenous...
	Okay, you're using China, but let's be honest here.
	Why does it say women and children off the boat first, not men?
	Women have always had...
	No, yeah, it's a chivalry thing, but why is that?
	Because if you have 100 women and one guy, you can still continue society.
	But if you have 100 men and one woman, we're fucked.
	Women are the vulnerable sex and men are the disposable sex, that's why.
	Women have value inherently.
	So what I'm saying is this.
	Since every woman has value, for a woman to be high value, she's got to be able to lock down a high value guy.
	There's a reason why women take a man's last name and not the other way around.
	Women, when they meet each other and hug, the first thing they ask typically is, oh, do you have a man?
	Do you have a relationship?
	Tell me about your kids, etc.
	When two men meet, what do they do?
	Shake hands.
	What do you do for a living?
	Men are judged on creating value.
	Women are judged on creating children, typically.
	Now, Are there some women out there that chase success and make money, whatever?
	Sure, but that is not the main goal of a female.
	The main goal of a female, from a biological sense, is to procreate.
	For a woman to procreate, she's got to be with a man.
	Typically, they want the best guy.
	For a man to procreate, he's got to create excess resources to be able to attract that woman.
	So what we bring to the table is different.
	I don't disagree with any of that, but there are high-value women, and there are probably high-value men.
	I think a woman's only high-value if she can lock down a high-value guy.
	That's my take on it.
	Okay, well, at least you have a definition for it.
	Yeah, that's my definition on it.
	Which, again, I see all of us here at the table have different opinions, which is great, but that's my take on it, like, with a high-value man, a high-value man.
	No, no, I mean, what you want me to say is a woman who has a low body count, who is, you know, a girl from the Amish Dutch country in Pennsylvania who's never, you know, known another man, doesn't have any social media.
	I mean, there's a lot of ways we can go with this, but again, those are ideals, okay?
	Ideals are important because ideals are what we strive for.
	And those ideals are also what lead us astray, which is why this list is fucking useful.
	That's why.
	Ideals lead you into a better life.
	That's the whole point of an ideal.
	It's the best version of yourself.
	You're never going to be the best version of yourself, but the path to being the best version of yourself- Every guy who ever thought he found his fucking soulmate who ended up on the opposite side of the fucking divorce table from her had a fucking ideal about that one.
	Every man that dies happily surrounded by his family who had a long...
	Oh yes, I know.
	The pastoral scene with everybody surrounded by his family.
	You know that 90% of the population in the United States doesn't die like that.
	They actually die in assisted living and nobody knows about it until the next morning.
	Okay, as opposed to you, who was tweeting about that.
	That is a fucking fantasy.
	Let me hit these chats real fast.
	We got another show coming up.
	We got another show coming up.
	I'm going to go through this real fast.
	Alright, so we got KidBlueRB goes, Rolo Dodging the defining a high value man is like the LGBT dodging what a woman is.
	Feels like I'm watching Matt Walsh's documentary right now.
	You're the grandmaster of RP. You out of all people should be able to define what a high value man is.
	He can't define high-value mail, but he can define us as douche nozzles.
	All right, let me...
	That's pretty funny, though.
	Microsby says, Myron, you're my guy, but you're giving Rolo an out.
	Let him stand on the chair he's standing on so he can continue to hang himself with his food.
	I know you really want to defend him because...
	Here's the thing.
	I know you base a lot of the show around that book, but, like, bro, he's making absolutely no sense.
	Here's the thing.
	Everyone is interpreting it different.
	Obviously, I have my take on it.
	Roller has his take.
	He doesn't have a take, bro.
	We all have different takes on this.
	He doesn't have a take.
	That's still a take!
	That's still a take, though.
	That's still a take!
	Okay.
	If this was some LGBT shit or some woman shit, we would be all laughing and roasting them.
	Rightfully so.
	If a woman came out and you were like, what makes a woman high-value?
	And she's like, well, if she's in her moment and if she's girlbossing it up as hard as she can, that's a high-value woman.
	Like, we would be roasting the fuck out.
	That's the same argument he's making right now.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	It's not the...
	It's fucking apples and oranges.
	Guys, that's the problem with all this shit.
	You don't even fucking understand the nature of the tweet.
	That's why.
	Because I'm asking a specific question and you can't answer it.
	Ask if it's advice.
	It's a joke.
	It's not.
	Okay, here's the thing.
	Let me give you a highlight.
	A high-value man goes and fucks as many chicks as he possibly can, as many women as possible, and he fucking finds one little needle in the haystack, and he wipes up that girl because she happens to have no body count.
	She's like 100% in love with him.
	I can go and rattle off all these extremes, and you know who's going to disagree with me?
	Every fucking guy in fucking daily lives.
	Say what you really think.
	Don't say it ironically.
	Say what you believe.
	What I'm saying is what I believe here, okay?
	This is the whole thing.
	The point of the fucking tweet is that it's your fucking definition of what it is.
	You said Ben Shapiro's not a high-value man, so you must be comparing him to some standard in your head.
	You said Bezos is not a high-value man.
	You said Elon Musk is not a high-value man, so there's some standard in your head that you're comparing these guys to so they're not matching up to.
	What is that standard?
	All you would have to do is look at their personal lives so you would understand this.
	Again, do I have time to go and enumerate all that?
	No, I don't.
	But if you go and you look at what they're doing.
	Let's just use Elon Musk for a second.
	Yeah, let's use Ben Shapiro.
	That was a good example.
	Ben Shapiro.
	We can look at Ben Shapiro.
	How did he meet his wife?
	Do you know how he met his wife?
	Was it an arranged or family friends?
	I don't know.
	Basically, what Ben Shapiro did was he wore this chick down over the course of, God knows, like three or four months, right?
	He would meet the definition of stalking and being a creeper if he wasn't Ben Shapiro, right?
	If he didn't have his background in three or four months.
	What does that mean?
	Basically, he wore her down is what he did.
	And he's very proud of that fact, too.
	Okay, hold on, real quick.
	You seem to have a problem with this.
	When somebody asks you, what is X? And then you go, well, it's X. You're not really answering the question.
	You've done this like three times.
	When you say wore her down over three to four months, what does that mean?
	Did they date?
	Did he see her after school?
	What that means is he kept, he was persistent and he just kept wearing her down over, over, over time.
	Bro, that's ridiculous, man.
	I will send you, I will send you the fucking, I will send you the video.
	I will send you the video.
	Okay, Jesus.
	Oh, right.
	You guys should have viewer call-ins more often.
	It's cute.
	Okay.
	And you should send your OnlyFan girls to come at me to debate me in your proxy next time.
	I mean, we're asking to debate you right now and you can't even...
	Except next time, please find the girl who actually puts lenses in her fucking glasses.
	A little weird.
	You're so triggered, dude.
	Are you okay?
	Not very rational.
	True.
	His six books will be the emotional male, I think.
	Because I would consider Ben Shapiro a high-value guy.
	I would.
	No, everybody would, obviously.
	But you disagree with the grandmaster?
	The godfather.
	The great-great-granddaddy of the Red Bull.
	Myron, Myron, would you agree with his outlook on women?
	With Ben Shapiro's outlook on women?
	Yeah.
	Ben Shapiro has literally come at you for exactly this.
	For everything that these guys are talking about, he's come at you for exactly the same thing.
	Yeah, so...
	You guys did a full show on this.
	No, no, for sure.
	I disagree with him as far as the female stuff.
	Like, oh yeah, having sexual experience is bad for you, like he was trying to say.
	But I think, objectively speaking, from the things that I listed as far as what I think makes a guy have value, he has all those things.
	Now, He's limited on his knowledge of females, for sure, right?
	Because I think he only got with one girl and she comes from a family.
	I don't want to say it because we're on YouTube.
	But I think that set her up to be a girl that would be to his liking.
	But the point I'm trying to make is I think Ben Shapiro is a high-value guy, but I don't agree with his stances on women.
	Same thing with Steven Crowder right now.
	You guys were just talking about Crowder not too long ago.
	Like, right up until he got this divorce and all this stuff started coming out and Candace Owens and all that shit.
	Everybody would have said he was a high-value guy until now.
	I think they're high-value guys like Crowder and Ben Shapiro based on what they've accomplished in life, but I don't agree with their standpoints on females.
	If he disagrees with them, then they can't be high-value because they don't agree with his books.
	True.
	Like, go back to fucking Twitch.
	Let's go back to Twitch and start playing games again.
	You have no fucking point.
	There's no point for either one of you to be on this fucking show, quite honestly.
	Dumbledore has spoken.
	Because here's the thing.
	The traditional conservative beliefs don't necessarily work in today's sexual marketplace when it comes to dealing with women.
	No, we agree.
	But that's the reason he thinks Ben Shapiro's not high-value, because he disagreed with you on relationships.
	What I'm saying is that, well, yes, I would actually agree with that, simply because does Ben Shapiro, what his disagreement with you, does that then, at least in some way, diminish him as a high-value man?
	No.
	We can disagree.
	I disagree with that.
	I'm asking Myron.
	I mean, because it's Myron who says he's a high-value guy.
	Describe that he disagrees with the traditional relationships.
	If you're like money, muscles, and game, okay?
	In this case, it's the female aspect of what makes a high-value guy, right?
	If he disagrees with what he's not disagreeing with me, he's disagreeing with Myron.
	He just said that he's high-value.
	He said he's high value, but except for that one part where he's saying, you know what, I disagree with his outlook when it comes to women and how best to go about forming relationships or whatever, the sex, whatever it is.
	Yeah, I think he's a high-value guy, but I disagree with his notion on how to deal with women.
	He's not fucking 50 guy or 50 women.
	Yeah, no, he's not.
	He's against that, which I think is dated.
	You know what I mean?
	Again, like I said before, I think a guy could be traditionally conservative, but I don't necessarily have to agree with someone's viewpoints on how they deal with females for me to see them as high-value, because I think he accomplishes all the things that I mentioned on my list of what I think makes a guy high-value.
	And so what you're doing is you're saying that high-value is these accomplishments, correct?
	Yeah.
	I'm interpreting it, yeah.
	That's how I interpret it.
	Which, obviously, everyone here at the panel has a different opinion.
	I kind of agree.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	Respected, accomplished.
	Which is great.
	We don't really have a different opinion.
	I feel like you're pretty aligned at the table.
	Yeah, with us three, yeah.
	But, I mean, again, we're looking at things differently in general.
	Okay.
	Because you guys don't agree.
	I agree with his tweet if you want to become high-value in the quickest amount of time.
	But you can't agree with it if he doesn't even define it.
	You can't agree with him if you don't even know what his definition is.
	Does he agree with it?
	Defined by the way he defines it.
	No, but he did though.
	He chose what high value means to him.
	You're missing a point.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Fresh is the voice of reason.
	It's going over your head because you guys are thinking about one point vasectomy.
	That's it.
	We weren't even on vasectomy, but that's okay.
	I think we've come to the bottom of this.
	Myron agrees with the tweet that I'm talking about according to what his definition of a high value guy is, correct?
	Yeah, he knows his definition.
	Exactly.
	High value men are just people that have high value.
	I agree.
	I got it.
	Alright, I'll hit these other ones.
	We got here.
	Viking paradigm.
	Ignoring the context.
	Talking over.
	Interrupting ad hominems.
	Goalpost shifting.
	Claiming it's advice when it's not.
	It's easy to see who's trying to control their viewers and who's not.
	And easy to see who lost the debate here.
	Hey, you're a douche nozzle.
	That's a douche nozzle thing to say.
	Show the Viking, man.
	That's not very rational of you.
	Life, love, value.
	Women aren't so simple.
	Leave these RP dudes alone in their zone to stew.
	Responsibility, intelligence, and discipline above all and are talismans of happiness for most people.
	Enjoy life, grind, and don't glorify anyone.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	100%.
	And then what else we got here?
	We got Mike Rashid.
	I hope y'all don't let Rolo's weird immigration comment fly by.
	Immigration comment?
	Immigration?
	I wish I got an invite for discussion.
	I wish you got an invite for discussion.
	He should come to the round table next week.
	Immigration?
	He's not Trump.
	What am I talking about?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Alright, what else?
	Anything else?
	Up to you guys.
	That's it.
	Oh, John?
	John.
	100%.
	100%.
	If I wanted to learn how to become a successful man, I'd go to Rollo before going to Sneeko or Destiny.
	Two grown-ass men who argue like teenage boys.
	Alright, so a 55-year-old guy calling us douche nozzles to someone who's like three times younger, that's a mature way to argue?
	Damn.
	Damn.
	If that's your idea, then okay.
	Wow.
	Shots fired.
	That's just what happened on the show.
	This is a great debate.
	Do you have anything to say?
	Like, you called in.
	Great debate.
	Where can they find y'all?
	Yeah, go back to Twitch.
	That's some advice for you.
	That's some real advice for you guys.
	You guys have no business fucking being in any of this shit right here.
	You're not ready to have a fucking adult conversation.
	I've seen you chatting more than any other name in the chats.
	I re-chat whenever I stream, which is when I'm online, and you're in there more than me.
	Actually, I'm banned on there.
	I'm on Rumble.
	If you want to pull the online card, then maybe get off the internet a little bit and chat in all day.
	Douche nozzle.
	It's a lot harder when it's not just like 22-year-old women being ganged up on a podcast, huh?
	I'm sorry, Rillo.
	I'll be happy to fucking debate you, dude, on any topic you want.
	We are right now.
	We just did.
	No, you're talking about this one fucking tweet is what you're talking about.
	Well, we were talking to the godfather of Red Pill.
	Yeah, and speaking of fucking tweets, or excuse me, speaking of fucking super chats, was that not you on whatever podcast the other night?
	Yeah, I like to support people I go on to have a podcast.
	Right, thank you very much.
	Thank you for at least admitting it.
	Those are the only two Super Chats that sent my life.
	If I'm watching content and I want to know if it's Red Pill or not, I just...
	It seems like you're watching a lot more than you think you are.
	...program I've ever been on.
	It's insane.
	You should get a tax credit for, like, watching me.
	Bro, do you have anything to say?
	Why are you staring like that, man?
	Okay.
	I thought you'd have a wrap.
	First of all, I've thrown out this...
	First of all...
	If you guys want to come to Vegas, come to Vegas.
	We'll sit across the table from each other.
	I'm going to build up your fucking dog shit podcast.
	What are you talking about?
	Come to Miami.
	I am coming to Miami.
	Oh, cool.
	I hope you're here next week.
	You guys are so mean, man.
	What do you mean we're mean?
	He called us douche-nazzles.
	Oh, it's fine.
	He's the Grand Wizard of Red Pill, so I can't go say anything about that.
	But I'm mean now because I'm calling him irrational for not having any arguments at all.
	Bro, I know you want to defend him because the book is here on the table, but, like, bro, that made no sense.
	You guys have not read the book.
	You guys don't know what the fuck you're reading.
	I'm not reading your book, bro.
	You can't even define what high-value man is.
	Why would I read a book from a guy who can't have a clear definition?
	I don't know if you read the book.
	I'm not even going to go there.
	For the last half hour, I've been trying to explain to you this shit to you.
	You guys have no business being in this fucking sphere to begin with, first of all.
	It keeps it forever until you're 65.
	And the reason why is because you devolve into...
	You want to know why, like, when we talk...
	Nobody debates anymore.
	You know why?
	Because it devolves into this middle school bullshit that both of you are.
	But you guys are perfect.
	You guys marry each other.
	You can't call this childish when you were the one who started insulting.
	I would just ask you a question and then you said douche nozzle.
	Now you're going to go play the maturity card?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, now I'm going to play the maturity card.
	That was a middle school argument.
	Alright.
	I mean, this is not going anywhere.
	This was a great debate.
	Debation.
	Debation.
	I mean, it's very obvious that everyone here has different takes, which is great.
	I think that's good.
	I'm not sure what his take is still.
	But that's cool.
	It's different than ours.
	We know that.
	You know what I mean?
	So it is what it is.
	Is there anything else, Chris?
	Nope, we're good.
	Alright.
	Smash that like button.
	I'll be there next week.
	Alright, cool.
	I think we'll have him on on the 15th.
	Let's do a boxing match.
	Just kidding.
	Alright.
	Bro, thanks for coming on, bro.
	Take it easy, man.
	Okay, so let's see here.
	We're caught up, Chris, on your end?
	Bro, that's a goofy godfather, bro.
	I ain't gonna lie to you, bro.
	I mean, like, that shit was goofy.
	I know you really want to defend him, and mine right now, I know you're probably like, eh.
	No, it's not that.
	We all have different takes on it, which is fine.
	Okay, but he did get triggered immediately.
	For someone who called himself the rational man, that was no rational arguments were made.
	He got emotional.
	He got triggered immediately.
	He started cursing.
	That was not like an example of good masculinity.
	What do you do?
	I tried to engage, and I asked him specific questions.
	You also made insults multiple times.
	Yeah, but if he's going to start, of course you're going to follow up, right?
	Well, you attacked him prior to the show, so just to be fair...
	Did I? You did!
	What'd I say?
	Say that his comments were asinine, they didn't make sense.
	That's not insulting, that's going at his advice.
	I'm talking about his argument.
	And then you said the man that made the comments is...
	I'm just saying, look, ultimately, we both did the same thing.
	That's not true.
	Talking shit about somebody's arguments is a lot less serious than calling you a douche nozzle.
	I didn't call up a douche nozzle.
	It was kind of funny.
	Douche nozzle.
	Okay.
	I personally wouldn't tolerate that type of disrespect, but, you know.
	Where can I find y'all?
	Rumble.com slash Sneaker.
	You already know.
	YouTube.com, Instagram.com slash destiny.
	And y'all are going to stick around for the after hours, right?
	Of course.
	Let's go.
	So we're going to be back here with some girls.
	Guys have a discussion.
	Don't forget to like the video, subscribe to the channel.
	Go check out Rollo on YouTube as well.
	I think it was a good discussion.
	I think everybody had different takes on it.
	I think it was good.
	You know, we agreed on some things, disagreed on some other things.
	I think that's the importance of bringing people in to have different viewpoints.
	And as men, we can agree to disagree and still be friends after.
	True.
	On some level.
	Yeah.
	I think it's important to be able to have these tough discussions.
	I would love to listen to Slayer and, you know, accelerate in my car.
	This guy, bro.
	I don't like a family.
	All right, guys.
	Peace.
	We'll catch you guys.
	I ran so far away.
	I just ran.

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What Is A High Value Man? HEATED Debate w/F&F, Destiny, Sneako & RolloTomassi