Knowledge Fight Interactive Search Tool

All Episodes

Previous Next

Jan. 23, 2023 - Fresh & Fit

03:46:17

MG, SNEAKO & Troy Francis vs Feminists In HEATED DEBATE!

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Time	Text
	Welcome to the Fresh Fit Podcast.
	After our edition, we'll join a bunch of little ladies and some black dude.
	Let's get it going.
	Let's get it going, Chris.
	Nobody cares, bro.
	Bro, get out.
	Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro.
	Put your shoes on outside.
	You don't got to put them on in here.
	Cool.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Fresh and Fit Podcast.
	We're on Rumble, Facebook, Twitch, and Twitter because we're banned off YouTube for a week because we've got a bunch of haters.
	But hey, we're still going to have a bunch of y'all watching, so you guys can be anywhere else in the world, but you're here with us on Rumble.
	So, yo, guys, real quick, rumble.com slash fresh and fit.
	Check us out over there, guys, so you guys get all the crazy content like you're about to get tonight because sometimes YouTube is lame and kicks us off, and we might get banned any day now.
	So check us out over there at rumble.com slash fresh and fit.
	Also, guys, check us out on freshandfit.locals.com as well as check us out on rumble.com slash sneaker as well, man, because he's in the house and he's pretending to be fresh today.
	So it's going to be great.
	And then also, guys, check us out on Megaphone.
	As you guys know, on Megaphone, get the audio version of the podcast.
	If you don't got time to watch it on YouTube or whatever, just make sure you wear headphones so you don't get canceled at your job and or called into HR. Get the merch from your podcast store.com.
	Fresh Fit Clips is the other YouTube channel where we post clips.
	We're not going to be posting a week for a week, guys, on any of the channels because, you know, circumventation is hella lame.
	And then also, Fresh has a vlog channel.
	Check him out over there, guys, where he posts a bunch of vlogs of him buying.
	Foreign Whips.
	Yeah, guys.
	Actually, wait, you want to talk about your brand new car?
	And check out the channel.
	We're doing vlogs.
	And shoot me three times a week.
	200K on the way.
	Let's go.
	Okay.
	Check me out, guys.
	I'll bet it as you guys know I do.
	I do criminal case breakdowns, guys.
	I used to work for the Fed, so I cover everything from terrorism to bank robberies to serial killers, whatever.
	I cover it on Fed1811.
	I'll be posting an episode next week because we're banned on YouTube once again.
	So I'll catch you guys over there on Fed1811.
	But anyway, what else?
	Oh, Chris, you got an announcement, right?
	Yes.
	Ladies, send me a DM on R.C. Parkson on IG. Make sure, you know, come on to our show.
	Have a good time.
	And I don't know what we're doing next year down the line.
	Don't let me know.
	I have a flight to book next year.
	Can I come?
	I don't know.
	I'll be canceled.
	Fuck.
	So shout out to you ladies and let's have a great show.
	Cool.
	All right.
	So ladies, we're going to go around the panel and we'll start here.
	So the questions are your name, your age, your dating status, and of course, your body count.
	And we'll start here.
	So, my name is Erin, and I'm 24.
	And what else did you ask?
	Your dating status?
	I'm single.
	Okay.
	What do you do for it?
	For work, primary education.
	I have my degree in biology.
	Okay, cool.
	Where'd you get your undergrad at?
	UTRGV. Okay.
	UTR, you said?
	RGV. Oh, where's that?
	It's South Texas.
	Rio Grande Valley?
	Rio Grande Valley.
	Where are you from?
	McAllen or what?
	956, yeah.
	McAllen.
	Okay.
	I used to live in Laredo, so very familiar.
	Alright, cool.
	And you said it was in what again?
	Biology?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hello, I'm Azariel.
	People call me Z for short.
	I'm 24.
	I am single.
	And what was the last question?
	I'm from New Jersey.
	Patterson, New Jersey.
	Born and raised.
	Patterson?
	Wait, Patterson?
	Red flag.
	Okay.
	Alright, isn't that where Fetty Wap is from?
	Alright, so Sango Patterson, New Jersey, what do you do for it?
	Oh, I'm a model full-time artist.
	You've been in Vogue?
	I have, yeah.
	Alright, fair enough.
	And what's your highest education level completed?
	High school.
	Alright, cool.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Zara.
	I'm 27.
	I'm a cosmetologist.
	Okay.
	And I'm single.
	Okay.
	Where are you originally from?
	I'm Lebanese.
	Well, I mean...
	Lebanon.
	Where'd you...
	Oh, Michigan.
	Okay.
	Is that where you went to high school?
	Fortson High School, yeah.
	Okay.
	So you went to high school.
	Where are you from?
	Dearborn?
	Detroit?
	Dearborn Heights.
	Dearborn?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And how old are you?
	27.
	Okay.
	Wait, did you grow up Muslim?
	I am Muslim, yeah.
	Hurrah!
	Hurrah!
	Why is your hair not covered?
	Relax.
	I'll do it, get the stones!
	All right, so single relationship?
	Single.
	Okay.
	Yeah, better be.
	Oh, she wasn't there.
	Okay, and then what do you do?
	You said you're a cosmetologist, dearborn, single.
	Highest education level completed?
	Under, hold on, undergrad.
	My associates.
	In general study, yeah.
	Okay.
	Alright, cool.
	What about you?
	I'm Nikki.
	I'm 21.
	I'm from Marblehead, Ohio.
	Okay.
	I'm single and I'm in college right now for criminal law.
	Okay.
	You're pursuing your bachelor's degree?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	And do you want to drop where you go to school?
	It's up to you.
	You don't have to.
	Bowling Green.
	What?
	Bowling Green.
	Where's that?
	In Bowling Green, Ohio.
	Okay.
	And then you said you're from Ohio.
	High school is your high school.
	Oh, single relationship.
	Would I do it for work?
	No, no, no.
	Single.
	Single.
	Okay.
	And then do you work or are you full-time single?
	Yeah, I work at a law firm and I also build group homes in Toledo, Ohio.
	Cool.
	Nice.
	All right.
	And what part of Ohio you are from?
	One more time.
	Marblehead, Ohio.
	Marblehead.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name is Sophia, I'm 23.
	OnlyFans?
	How you know?
	Yeah, I mean, come on.
	Yeah, I'm an artist that's currently doing OnlyFans, but a future entrepreneur.
	Entrepreneur.
	Can you spell entrepreneur?
	E... No, I'm just...
	E... Oh, right, fantastic.
	Wait, no, E-N-R. She said E-N-R. She said E-R. What's your highest education level completed?
	High school and a bunch of courses.
	A bunch.
	Okay, I'll put high school.
	Single, relationship, sugar daddy, married.
	I know.
	I'm the sugar daddy.
	I'm currently in a relationship.
	And you're paying for him?
	What do you mean?
	You're the sugar daddy.
	No, I make money off of him.
	So you're not the sugar daddy.
	I make money off of him.
	So he's the sugar daddy.
	No.
	Do you know what that word means?
	No.
	Okay.
	No, I'm stupid.
	I'm not going to let you get the chance.
	You what?
	I'm managing his OnlyFans.
	Oh, you say y'all like...
	I'm changing the game.
	So wait.
	You're pimping him.
	Okay.
	So do you have the OnlyFans or does he have the OnlyFans?
	We both do, but I manage his OnlyFans.
	Okay.
	And I manage other people's OnlyFans too.
	Okay.
	So he has an OnlyFans.
	You have one, but you manage his.
	Yes.
	And he's your boyfriend.
	And I manage all the money.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And he's your boyfriend.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How long have you been together?
	Like...
	Like, two weeks.
	Maybe a week.
	Okay.
	I don't even know what to say.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Committed relationship.
	Yeah, very committed.
	Shout out to our boy Troy in the fucking back, by the way, man.
	But Chris, as usual, not.
	Chris will switch the camera for y'all so you guys can see him.
	Shout out to Troy in the back.
	There he is, the British guy in the back.
	He just popped in, man.
	I didn't even know where he was.
	He's like, hey, mate, I'm here.
	So I was like, alright, what's up?
	Alright, so you had a boyfriend.
	You got a boyfriend for a week and then...
	Two weeks.
	High school.
	My bad.
	Two weeks.
	You're in OF. Alright.
	Where are you from?
	Miami?
	I was born and raised in Miami and my parents...
	Huh?
	Nothing.
	You're from Miami.
	No, I said it's obvious you're from Miami.
	I know, yeah.
	Like that accent, right?
	Yeah.
	But my parents are from Argentina.
	Okay.
	Awesome.
	What about you?
	Hi, y'all.
	I'm Love Lala.
	Hey, y'all!
	Is that your government name, first name Love, last name Lala?
	You know it's not my government.
	You asked me this last time.
	You've been on a show before?
	Yeah, I have.
	Oh, you rap, right?
	Yeah, I do music.
	Oh, you have been on a show.
	I also model.
	Wait, how old are you?
	I'm 23.
	Okay.
	I'm some college and school for dental assisting, and I work in a hotel as well.
	Can you drop a verse for us?
	Thank you.
	Ayo, I've been going through it.
	You just never even knew I had to hold myself down because I know how I get to it on the road every day.
	I'm just trying to make a way.
	Link in bio, though.
	We're going to put my Instagram.
	I'm not trying to take all the air, but if you want me to, I can do it.
	Keep going!
	Spitz your shit.
	Yeah.
	Ben's Cooper Chanel shoes, got Chanel shoes in the Ben's coupe.
	You can't tell what I've been through.
	I make this shit look simple.
	I'm so official.
	Diamonds on me.
	I'm shining figures still sun up.
	I'm grinding nigga your man on me.
	It's a problem with you.
	My bands up, my fans up, my wrist glowing is bust down.
	My hair long ain't never wrong.
	They hating on me.
	It's a problem now.
	Said this was my last cup.
	Hey.
	My face down and my ass up.
	These opportunities can't pass up to me riding off in a bench truck.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Single relationship for the streets.
	What's your status?
	For the streets.
	I'm single right now.
	Single?
	Okay.
	Face down ass up.
	I would hope so.
	I mean, Matt is up on your boyfriend.
	Okay.
	And where are you originally from?
	Brooklyn.
	Okay.
	Brooklyn.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Welcome back.
	Hi.
	I'm Zena the Muslim now.
	Okay.
	How old are you, Zena?
	I'm 27.
	Where are you originally from?
	I'm from Akron, Ohio, originally.
	Shame.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, but I'm from Akron, Ohio.
	I live in Brickell, Miami, Florida.
	What do you do for work?
	Honestly, I work for the Freshman Fit Podcast.
	That's it.
	That's a great place to work.
	But what else, though, do you do?
	Don't play with me.
	I don't do anything else.
	Tell the people what you do.
	I originally did fraud.
	I was a scammer.
	I was a yammer.
	You did your time?
	Yeah, I did two years.
	Well, I did 16 months, whatever.
	Yeah, I used to dance.
	I don't dance, thanks to Fresh and Fit.
	I quit OnlyFans, too.
	Alright.
	Well, yeah, she's a convicted felon, guys.
	And then, what's your relationship status?
	I am married.
	Congratulations.
	Are you going to add to the bag to that or something like that?
	Yeah.
	Like every typical Miami girl?
	To God.
	To God.
	Okay.
	And then, let's see here.
	Alright.
	I think that's it.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	My name is Yessi.
	I am 19 forever, I say, but technically 32.
	Where are you from originally?
	The Bronx, New York.
	I live downtown Miami.
	I do everything.
	Photography, nails, hair, makeup.
	I have my hands in real estate.
	I'm working on building my financial profile through stocks and bonds.
	And, yeah.
	Cool.
	What's the main source of revenue?
	I have a lot.
	I mean, I have...
	The main, the number one.
	Will be my hospitality, where I served you in Brickell, SLS. What?
	Hi, welcome.
	May I interest you in a menu?
	Oh, it depends.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	SLS in Brickell?
	Yeah.
	She works at the pool.
	Yeah, but they don't have pool parties like that.
	I was just chilling at the pool.
	Yeah, we actually do.
	Let me know.
	I can get you a cabana for free.
	Okay, I didn't know that they throw pool parties like that.
	Like, SLS and Miami Beach, they do.
	It wasn't a party.
	I was just chilling at the pool.
	Oh, okay.
	Man, who gives a fuck if you're just chilling at the pool?
	She brought it up.
	What's your relationship status?
	Very single.
	Actually, I'm committed to gold.
	To gold or gold?
	To my goals.
	Oh, to your goals.
	What's your goal?
	Yeah, okay.
	Getting more real estate and making a bigger bag.
	Where are you originally from?
	Oh, you said the Bronx, right?
	All right, cool.
	And you are single.
	All right, what about you?
	Hi, I'm Pixie.
	I'm 23.
	Is that your government name, Pixie?
	No, it's not my government name.
	Okay, I'm just curious.
	All right, how old are you?
	I'm 23.
	Okay.
	I'm a recent college grad.
	Okay.
	What did you graduate in?
	I have three degrees, one in economics, philosophy, and then a bachelor's of science in psychology with a specialization of behavior analysis.
	Where'd you get your BA from?
	I got it from the University of Florida.
	Okay.
	Gators?
	Yes.
	Cool.
	Fuck the Seminoles, right?
	Okay.
	Where are you originally from?
	I'm from Puerto Rico.
	You're like really Puerto Rican or?
	Yeah, I was born and raised there for 18 years and then moved to the States for college.
	Alright, cool.
	Are you still a she-they?
	Yes, I'm still a she-they.
	Okay.
	I had her on my stream.
	Well, I had them on my stream and we had a little debate.
	So, wait, you identify as two genders?
	No, the opposite.
	I think gender is kind of silly, but that's why I don't really care what people call me.
	Bruh!
	Okay, we'll keep going.
	Alright, so you're from Puerto Rico.
	I'll be right here, Shidae, so I don't offend you.
	Alright, Shidae, and then what do you do for work?
	I'm streaming currently.
	Streamer, okay.
	Twitch, what's your main thing?
	Twitch, YouTube.
	Twitch, alright.
	Do you play video games or what?
	I just talk politics online.
	Okay, we got Hasan Wannabe.
	Fantastic.
	When did you decide that?
	When you were on my stream, you weren't committed to streaming yet.
	Is this new?
	Um, I streamed previously and now I'm starting to get back into it.
	I'm not sure if I want to make it my whole life career.
	I have other things that I'm interested in, but for now, that's what I'm doing until I find a job that I'm more interested in.
	You got three degrees though, man.
	This should be easy.
	All right.
	Uh, and then a single relationship?
	Single.
	Okay.
	And body count?
	We can go over this in a second.
	Let's finish a roundabout.
	It's a lot to talk about, I guess.
	Alright, what about you?
	What's your name?
	I'm Miss Mack.
	First name Miss, last name Mack?
	Yep, M-I-S-S-M-S-T-K. Okay, and then how old are you?
	I am 27.
	27?
	Where are you from?
	Bombed in California.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay, what do you do for?
	I'm a chopper and a rapper.
	What do you trap?
	He's a fed.
	What do you trap specifically?
	There's feds watching.
	You already said you sell drugs.
	Well, you quite literally said about 45 seconds ago you're a trapper and a rapper.
	I could be selling trap music.
	She was my favorite bunkie, I swear to God.
	No, she said trapper and a rapper.
	I didn't say I sell drugs.
	But that's fine.
	We'll keep going.
	Trapper and a rapper, yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, it's two different things.
	I can trap anything.
	Are we trapping bitches, pussies, weed, drugs?
	That doesn't help the case.
	But anyway, what's your relationship status?
	Married to the gang.
	I thought you were going to say married to the streets for a second.
	Okay, so no serious boyfriend or anything?
	Did anyone on this panel?
	Is there anyone in a relationship on this panel?
	Why am I the only one in a one-week relationship?
	That doesn't even count.
	I'm fucking someone.
	Yeah, I don't.
	We know.
	The whole panel is all streets.
	Married to the game, married to the bag.
	With the exception of cats.
	That's why we not committed to none of you niggas.
	All right.
	Highest education level completed.
	School of hard knocks or what?
	Yeah, that too.
	But no, I have two degrees actually.
	A psychology degree and a communication studies.
	AA degrees, both of them.
	Oh, okay.
	So not a bachelor's, AA? Yeah.
	Okay.
	Psychology and comms?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then real quick, your highest education level is high school, right?
	Who, me?
	Yeah.
	No, I dropped out of college.
	Okay.
	But completed high school?
	Yeah.
	Completed high school, right, Zena?
	My highest level education is the red pill.
	Fantastic.
	And then what yours was?
	College.
	College?
	What you got your bachelor's in?
	I'm sorry?
	What do you have your bachelor's degree in?
	Dental assisting.
	You have for a degree for that?
	I don't have a degree yet.
	I'm still attending.
	You're in school right now.
	Okay, okay.
	But high is completed or high school?
	High school, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then for you real quick, it was high school as well?
	High school.
	And I studied other things on my own.
	Yeah, but you completed high school.
	Yeah, I completed.
	Okay, fantastic.
	Alright, researching on YouTube doesn't count.
	Okay, Sneaker, you got anything?
	I don't know if we got Rumble Rants yet, but...
	I mean, yeah, let's get right into it.
	We had a debate.
	I was wondering, Pixie and Aaron over here, we had a long, lengthy debate about feminism and about Andrew Tate and about cam girling and stuff like that.
	I'm wondering if you guys have anything to follow up before we get into the chat.
	I love Andrew Tate.
	I think everybody in the table does.
	I love him.
	Oh, you love him?
	I would be the exception.
	You don't?
	I mean, I don't know the guy.
	I don't know who that is.
	He's very controversial.
	He makes points.
	What are we talking about?
	Who is Andrew Tate?
	Andrew Tate.
	Andrew Tate.
	He is.
	I was just quoting him.
	Oh, is that the...
	What the fuck is she talking about?
	I got this.
	Okay, ladies, I got a question for y'all.
	I got this.
	Else, Nico.
	They didn't even answer the question.
	I'm asking if they had any follow-ups in the debate.
	They stayed quiet.
	Do you guys have any follow-ups in the debate?
	Yeah, we debated if men and women are equal.
	I mean, nothing.
	Nothing?
	Just going to be quiet.
	I have a lot to say.
	About our debate?
	Okay, I'm just confused.
	I was wondering if you had anything to follow.
	We debated for two and a half hours about Andrew Tate, about if men and women are equal, she, they, basic feminist ideologies.
	I'm wondering if you had anything to follow up from that, if you learned anything, or if this panel changed your mindset at all.
	Well, I don't think I really learned anything in specific, but hopefully when we start asking more questions around this panel, we can get back into it.
	I'm kind of curious about what all these ladies think in general.
	You know what?
	I got this.
	We'll start right here and work our way around, okay?
	That's great.
	Do you think men and women are equal?
	I mean, people don't treat us as that, but yeah, I feel like I'm equal to any man.
	Okay.
	So you think men and women...
	Oh, let me qualify this.
	I'm not saying you're equal as in...
	Obviously, you're equal human being level, right?
	Like, okay, we all deserve dignity, respect, rule of law, etc.
	Not a human being is better than another by gender.
	I mean, as in, in other ways, not human dignity or human decency.
	Can you elaborate on the way it is?
	Like, give us an example.
	Like strength?
	Let's say, yeah, that can be a component.
	Strength is no, we're not equal.
	There's multiple components, but I'm asking you in general, do you think we are equal?
	Yes or no?
	Not when it comes to life value.
	Strength-wise, hell no.
	I mean, unless you're taking steroids, maybe.
	Okay.
	But, like, life-wise, yes, because I... I mean, like I said, I'm a trapper.
	Where I'm from, I'm the only female trapper.
	But guys be always thinking women can't do the same things they do.
	And I'm like, I do it better than them, actually.
	But this isn't just you.
	I mean, in general, are men and women equal?
	Yeah.
	You think so?
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	In terms of human dignity, yes.
	I said that already.
	Yeah, I'm just clarifying, just making sure.
	Are we exactly the same in everything?
	No.
	Okay.
	So your general answer is no?
	My general answer is yes, because I think human dignity goes beyond any other components that would make the answer no.
	So the answer is yes.
	Yes?
	Okay.
	Are you a woman?
	Yes, I'm a woman.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	No.
	No?
	Why do you say no?
	Because of logic.
	Who's more logical?
	Generally men.
	What?
	It depends on the man because sometimes men are like more feminine.
	That's exactly why she said in general.
	Okay.
	What about you, Zina?
	No, not at all.
	Why do you say no?
	In any way, shape, or form, biologically, mentally, physically, even fucking spiritually, if we want to go there, we are not the same at all.
	That's why we have masculinity and that's why we have femininity.
	There's a balance, but we are not the same.
	There is a separation.
	Fine line.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	We're not equal, no.
	Why do you say no?
	I mean, there hasn't even been a female president yet.
	Like, I don't think that we're equal.
	Misogony!
	Okay.
	Do you think we'd be better served with a female president?
	I don't know yet.
	I mean, the saying is, like she just said, females say anything you can do, I can do better with heels.
	That's what females say, right?
	But we haven't even got the chance to do that, so I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I would hope so.
	I hope if a female takes over the world or becomes president that she would do better.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Do you prefer to work for a man or a woman?
	You personally.
	Would you prefer to have a male boss or a female boss?
	I mean, if we're like speaking logically, I would say a male because they're not emotional creatures.
	A male.
	You know.
	Okay.
	So if you prefer to have a male boss, wouldn't it make sense that you'd want a male president as well?
	I just would like to see where it leads us.
	Why not?
	We already had the worst male presidents.
	Why not just see what females could do for us?
	Meghan Markle, 2028.
	That's like saying, for example, that's like saying, I just want to pull the little tab from the fucking bomb to see.
	Let's just see what will happen.
	Let's just see if we see that.
	It's chaotic.
	I don't even think it boils down to gender.
	It's just character and integrity.
	I mean, nowadays, and this is a tricky question, because nowadays niggas do act like females, and females are more...
	It depends.
	I'll ask you one other question, then I'll continue on if men or women are equal.
	Do you think that there's any rights or privileges that men have that women don't?
	Just keep them from being presidents?
	Yes.
	Anyone want to help me?
	Well, I'm asking you in particular.
	We can go ahead and go around the table on this one next, but first I want to start with this, but since you want to throw this up...
	What prevents women?
	Yeah, is there any right or privilege that men have that women don't?
	Since you're saying men have been president all the time.
	I mean, because of how we were brought up, like, before us, they always said that, like, the men are, like, take care of, like, you know, the responsibilities and shit like that, and women are just supposed to have the babies and clean up, so, like, we automatically took that role as being, like, I feel like less than, for real.
	But women are adults capable of making their own decisions and going to school, are they not?
	Who, women?
	Women are capable of going to school and making their own decisions and getting educated.
	Isn't it like women the higher rate of going to school?
	Yeah.
	So wouldn't it be fair to say that there's less excuse for them to not be in a presidential power or be in some type of authority when they dominate education, higher education?
	I think the reason that it's not like that is because we're an emotional creature.
	So if something was to happen, we'd go based off emotions.
	So why do you want to try that out?
	Maybe because we're not all the same though.
	Maybe there's someone that's not as emotional.
	Maybe not all females are like that.
	Whoever makes it, they only think we're emotional one week of the month.
	Well, I just like the contradictions here.
	Don't worry, we'll come back to that though.
	It seems like you guys have something to say with this male and female privilege.
	Do you think men and women are equal?
	No, absolutely not.
	Why not?
	Because, for example, she was talking about how she traps and that she does it better than guys sometimes because we're privileged.
	We're women.
	We got, hello, ass and titties.
	So it's easier for us.
	I was going to work.
	I worked in a jewelry store selling jewelry.
	I was the only female and I would sell the most just because I'm a female.
	You know, so we do got it easy.
	No, that was because of freak ass and titties.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	But females, we do it better because we're females.
	I think that's the first time the girl said something.
	It's not equal and actually gave where women have benefits.
	Right.
	The sexual attention will give you a big advantage in sales.
	Of course.
	But your financial attention does too.
	Also, female in general, you don't have to be attractive.
	You're still a female.
	You feel me?
	And as presidents, why?
	Because men are supposed to be in control.
	They're meant to be providers.
	So naturally, then why are you pimping your boyfriend?
	Yeah, good question.
	Because it's something temporary.
	It's an opportunity.
	So we're equal now.
	We can pimp him in.
	So maybe there will be a female.
	We can, of course.
	But that's exactly why.
	The fact that I'm a female and that I can do certain things better, I'm taking advantage of my of my qualities.
	But the question is, right, is there a sort of glass ceiling that's prevented there from being a female president?
	Probably not really, because Hillary nearly got it, didn't she?
	Yes, she did.
	I'm from the UK, right?
	We've had three female prime ministers now.
	So I reckon America will, I reckon somebody will break through at some point.
	I don't believe there's a glass ceiling that's preventing a woman getting through.
	I think it's just been circumstantial, to be honest.
	I don't think there's anything that's holding a woman back from becoming president.
	No, at all.
	I never said that.
	It could happen and it would be easy for her.
	But I mean, the reason why the majority of the time it's been males is because naturally males are protectors, providers and are in control most of the time.
	Do you think men and women are equal?
	I'm not sure if I can answer this question just based on there is nothing being given.
	In general, are men and women equal?
	Look at the comparisons that you have in your mind.
	I would say no.
	No?
	Then again, like I just said, there's so many things that we can compare.
	Don't take me wrong with this, but I don't think everyone is equal.
	There's so many stuff that other people have that other people don't, so we're not.
	I wouldn't say men and women are.
	What about you?
	You think men and women are equal?
	No, they're not.
	A man has a role and so does a woman.
	Okay.
	You believe in gender roles?
	Yes.
	What is a man's role?
	I mean, a man is masculine.
	A man takes care of the household.
	But most men don't.
	Well, then you need a new man.
	I'm just saying in general, yeah, you need a new man.
	So what's your opinion about all the women at the table who want to play the male role?
	There's nothing wrong with that because you know you want to provide for yourself.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	So would you call them manly?
	Not at all, no.
	It's more self-care.
	You're taking care of yourself rather than having someone care.
	And it depends on everybody's situation.
	Exactly.
	Do you think trapping is self-care?
	Hell yeah.
	I don't know what trapping is.
	Selling drugs and selling women.
	Or it could be selling coochie like you, OnlyFans.
	OnlyFans, that's trapping.
	OnlyFans?
	And I said OnlyFans because I don't want to be the majority.
	A trap is just a hustle.
	You're a hustler.
	You're a future entrepreneur, right?
	That's just a slang word.
	Prostitution is legal in Vegas.
	Prostitution isn't the same thing as OnlyFans because nobody touches me.
	Ladies, ladies, ladies.
	She was speaking.
	Let's let her.
	And it's not legal in Las Vegas, actually.
	OnlyFans is legal.
	But you're a future trapper, right?
	Hey, can you please stop interrupting?
	Go ahead.
	Back to, what were we talking about?
	Men and women, are they equal?
	You said no.
	No, they are not.
	You said that they have gender roles.
	They do.
	And you said that women can elect to work if they wanted.
	Yeah.
	If you choose to work and provide for yourself and do certain things that make you happy or you're struggling, and this is the only way you know to provide for yourself, then so be it.
	You can't look down upon someone doing that.
	Okay.
	What do you think about a guy that's a stay-at-home dad and the woman goes out and provides for him?
	Okay, I don't know about that one.
	Is that man feminine for staying inside the house?
	Okay, no, because there are women that are just very, very intelligent.
	And why are you laughing?
	No, keep going.
	Anyway, there are women that are very intelligent.
	And, you know, they're smarter than some men.
	Okay.
	But in that situation, is the man feminine for staying at home?
	Not at all.
	I have a question.
	You know, you're taking care of...
	I mean, I have a family.
	That intelligent woman, she goes out all day, she's trapping, she's doing whatever, and then she comes home and her husband is wearing an apron.
	He's her little bitch, then.
	Okay, so that is feminine.
	Can I ask a question?
	One mic at a time.
	Does a beta man necessarily have to be considered feminine?
	Yes.
	No.
	What's a beta man to you?
	Before we do that, let's finish this line of questioning.
	Save that for, because we're going to let y'all ask us a question anyway, so don't worry.
	Okay, so gender roles is what you think.
	What about you?
	Are men and women the same?
	No?
	Why not?
	For a lot of the reasons the other women stated biologically, gender roles I do agree with to a certain extent.
	Do you think men and women are equal?
	Currently, no.
	Men and women are not equal.
	Economically, socially, but yes, they ought to be equal.
	You don't think that they're the same economically and socially?
	No.
	There's certainly differences in American society and globally in which men are systemically advantaged over women.
	Can you explain those?
	What rights do we have in the West that women don't have?
	And that segues to my second question.
	What rights and privileges do men have that women don't?
	Well, there are some issues that pertain specifically to women, like reproductive rights, that don't apply to men.
	But even those specific issues are like rights.
	Women are not enfranchised with those rights like they should be.
	Like, men, women should have access to comprehensive sex education, but most women are going to require additional rights that they need to be endowed with that just don't apply to men, like access to abortions, contraception, etc., Interesting.
	You're not really answering the question, though.
	The question is, what rights do men have that women don't have?
	I also can't kill a baby.
	We both can't.
	You're presupposing that abortion is murder, right?
	Yeah.
	You believe abortion is murder?
	100%.
	You believe a fetus is the same as a human being, a baby?
	It's a life, yeah.
	We both cannot kill babies.
	We're equal.
	Well, actually, she can still kill babies in certain states.
	In certain states?
	Yes.
	About 50% of the United States still allows for abortion.
	Are you not pro-choice?
	You know, surprisingly, I actually am pro-choice.
	But for women to say that they don't have the same rights and privileges as men is very interesting.
	And when it comes to reproduction, you guys unilaterally have all the rights.
	Men have zero reproductive rights.
	Yeah, I understand that.
	But what I'm trying to say is that when it comes to reproductive rights, men have zero reproductive rights, whereas women have all the reproductive power.
	Well, here's the thing.
	Men, for example, if you have a child with a man, the man has zero right to anything with that baby.
	If you want to keep the baby or if you want to abort the baby, you have 100% control over that.
	That man has no control.
	So if you decide, I'm going to have the baby and he's got to pay child support, well, that's on him.
	If you decide, I don't want to have the baby and he wants the baby, he wants the child, he doesn't have any say in it.
	So you're talking about custodial rights?
	He doesn't have rights, period.
	Men have zero reproductive rights in the United States or any first world Western country for that matter.
	I mean, some men often have their name put on the birth certificate.
	It's not true.
	You have the right to wear a condom.
	That's not reproductive rights.
	Well, it's because it's not your reproductive system.
	You have the right to wear a condom.
	If it was your body, then you could choose the right to wear a condom.
	That's the other thing.
	It takes two though.
	Assuming it's a consensual interaction, take two to tangle.
	It almost always is.
	Men know what they're getting into when they have sexual sex with a woman.
	And women know what they're getting into when they have sexual sex with a man.
	I think sex education is incredibly lacking because most pregnancies are accidental pregnancies.
	But from there, you're saying that men have no choice or whatever.
	If you're choosing to engage sex with a woman, you are accepting that responsibility that you may get her pregnant.
	I think the point Myron's making though is that fundamentally in a state where abortion is legal, the woman has the right to exercise that option and the man does not have that right.
	That's where the disparity occurs.
	I just think this line of questioning is kind of weird because reproductive rights is about your reproductive system.
	So if it's a woman's body that's going through the whole process of pregnancy, then it's her reproductive right.
	Reproduction is by default, by definition actually, a two-person tango.
	Yeah, but reproductive rights refers to the rights of your own body.
	But you contradict yourself, y'all.
	When y'all say that, as a woman, you contradict yourself.
	You can't say, oh, it's my reproductive system, so when I get pregnant, it's my choice.
	But then say, you chose to nut in me.
	That's a fucking contradiction.
	No, no, no.
	Women are wrong in a sense for not allowing men to have a choice.
	That's a contradiction.
	You can't say he has equal part because he nutted in you and got you pregnant, but now when it's down to your decision, now it's yours.
	Any woman that doesn't let a man have the choice in having the baby or not, they're wrong in that, but...
	It's correct to say that obviously because the baby is gestated inside the woman, then it's her body and therefore it's her decision whether she goes through with that birth or not.
	That makes sense.
	But I suppose the issue really is if the man in the equation is adamantly against bringing that child into the world, he raises those concerns with the woman and she says, no, I'm going to go ahead with the birth.
	Then he has no right in that situation in the same way that the woman does.
	I mean, yes, the woman physically births the child, but the father is compelled to have a child that he didn't want to have because he doesn't have the same option that the woman has.
	I think that's the fundamental issue here.
	That's a similar issue than a person's own reproductive system.
	We can talk about parental rights and stuff like that, but I just want to make it clear that there's a difference between reproductive rights concerning your own system and just parental rights.
	And those rights mean when you have the child, now he's forced to be a father when he doesn't want to be a fucking father.
	Can I speak for a second?
	One mic at a time?
	I'm sorry.
	We're all talking.
	If you choose to have a child after you spoke to the nigga and he said, no, I don't want to have a child, now you bitches go for child support and all the parental custody shit that comes later.
	It starts with the reproductive rights.
	So that's exactly what we're talking about.
	You guys keep going back and forth.
	No.
	Once you decide, because we get the decision to have the baby, now he's forced to be a father when he didn't want to.
	That's the point.
	We should have pulled out.
	Can I say something?
	Can you say that after?
	No, we don't.
	Alright, so Zena finished her point.
	You can go ahead and who else had something?
	Hold on, hold on.
	Okay, you had something.
	Who else had something?
	I want to make sure everyone can get a chance.
	Who else did?
	You did?
	Okay.
	Alright, so we'll go here, and then here, and then there, and then back.
	Well, what I was going to say is, like, she's right in a way, so, like, if a man did not want to be a part of that baby's life, he should be able, right in the beginning, sign, like, oh, if you're going to keep this baby, and I don't want nothing to do with it, sign something where she's claiming that she's going to take full responsibility, and he doesn't have to, you know...
	Pay child support.
	Because just like the women, sometimes there's men that want to keep the baby.
	And the bitch be like, nah, I don't want this shit.
	And abort it.
	So it should be fair.
	Where if he don't want nothing to do with the baby, he could sign right away.
	So if she decides to keep it, well, bitch, that's on you.
	So you're saying what should be.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I was gonna say that too.
	Like, if a man wanted his child, but the woman's like, no, this is my body and I get to commit murder.
	So you guys were talking about the ideal.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Like, based on, like, what you're saying, you're saying, like, if they decide to keep the baby, but they're talking about, like, you're talking about taking abortion away, like, you're pro-choice.
	So if we're abortion, like, pro-choice is no abortion.
	No pro-life.
	If they're doing that or whatever, it's harder.
	I say if we're taking abortion away, I'm bringing this topic in.
	We didn't say take abortion away.
	We said reproductive rights, meaning both people should be involved.
	Reproductive rights, meaning taking...
	Once you understand, I'll move it to her.
	Formulate your thoughts and then come back.
	Somebody else had something over here?
	Go ahead.
	So I feel like what Pixie said, a lot of confliction is going on between reproductive rights versus legal and custodial rights.
	So where do you feel like the inequality lies here, where women are empowered in a way that men aren't legally?
	We got to start from zero and then work our way forward.
	Number one, when it comes to reproduction, it's a two-part process.
	You cannot have it occur without the male being involved because sperm needs to come in and hit the egg for it, right?
	So what I'm saying is that men have zero reproductive rights because women choose who lives and dies when it comes to birthing in the United States.
	Then from there, if you guys want to talk about parental rights, men virtually have no parental rights either.
	Women win 90% of the custody battles and they get the child most of the time.
	The woman has to be a damn near crackhead and a multi-time convicted felon to be able to lose custody of the child.
	So if we want to talk about reproductive rights, zero.
	And if we want to talk about parental rights, virtually zero as well.
	So realistically speaking, going back to the original question, what rights and privileges do men enjoy that women don't?
	And that's actually a privilege that women have that we don't have any say.
	As far as reproductive rights that you think men are entitled to, do you believe that men should be able to dictate whether or not another adult woman should be forced to have an abortion or to carry a childhood term?
	Well, if they have a...
	The men should be able to have a say.
	If you're able to kill the baby, then I should have a say in killing a baby, too.
	You guys don't know what it does to our body, how we feel, or anything.
	It's not your reproductive system.
	That's a problem.
	Once again, ladies, ladies, ladies.
	I get that you guys are in your feelings right now.
	Like, hey, it's my body.
	It's reproductive.
	It tears my body up.
	All I'm simply saying...
	Hold on, hold on.
	We're talking facts, not feelings.
	No, it's simple.
	You have all the reproductive rights.
	Men don't.
	That's all I'm saying.
	We're not talking about what's good, what's not, what we should be.
	A woman can't reproduce without a man.
	Stop talking, bro.
	Anyway, what I'm saying is that the fact is this.
	Women have all the reproductive rights in any first world country.
	Men have zero.
	Now, whether it's moral or not is a different thing.
	That's another discussion.
	I'm just saying the fact is men have zero reproductive rights and that is a fact.
	That's not disputable.
	Well, you have control over who you have sex with, right?
	It doesn't matter.
	What I'm talking about is when the sperm hits the egg and a pregnancy is there, the reproductive process, the man loses all the rights, which is the debate, what we're having.
	We're not talking about, because you guys are trying to bring it to feelings of, but my body, my choice, maybe I don't want to do it.
	Men have reproductive rights that pertain to themselves, but never ones that would extend to another woman, you know?
	The point is that we're so blessed to be females.
	Look how privileged we are.
	We need to be grateful.
	Who's the single mother here?
	You know how much right we got.
	But a man can't reproduce without...
	I mean, a woman can't reproduce without a man.
	We got mad rights.
	Look, we just gotta have some ground rules here.
	The fact is that Men have zero reproductive rights.
	That's a fact.
	That's not to be disputed.
	We're not talking about whether it's moral or not.
	That's all of the discussion.
	Now, go back to the original question.
	What rights and privileges do men have that women don't?
	I know one.
	Hold on.
	Wait your turn.
	Rights that men have that women don't?
	If you can't think of one, I'll move on to the next person.
	Maybe you can think of one.
	As far as, like, on paper, no, men and women legally and nominally have the same rights.
	Okay.
	But obviously, if we look at a lot of society, the inequalities within society between men and women, men and women...
	Yeah, you're talking about, like, systematic, like...
	Disadvantages.
	Disadvantages.
	Like what?
	I mean, I'm pro-choice, so I see women's inability to be able to exercise and procure an abortion as an infringement upon women's rights.
	Well, they can at least go to another state where it's illegal and get it done there.
	Yeah, but why should they have to?
	They have the ability to.
	You have the ability to, right?
	But in the same way that it's like you have the ability to become a billionaire, right?
	And make tons of money.
	There's going to be other social obstacles that prevent you from doing so that are not legal.
	You know?
	There's nothing stopping me from becoming a billionaire, but am I going to be a billionaire tomorrow?
	Well, your merit and your hard work is what stops you from being a billionaire.
	That might be one thing, but there's a lot of other social advantages.
	No, I feel like that's just acknowledging the descriptive reality.
	Like, why aren't you a billionaire?
	Working towards it.
	Working towards being a billionaire?
	That's impressive.
	It all depends on your mindset.
	You think that the only thing that's going to determine your income...
	Over the span of your lifetime is just a mindset.
	You don't think it's going to have anything to do with your social circumstances, your upbringing, your educational attainment, how much familial and generational wealth you already have.
	I mean, with that mindset, we can go ahead and look at everybody that made it out of the hood to the NBA or to the NFL or they were able to overcome some crazy...
	No, those are exceptional people, but they're the exception to the rule.
	Like most people, you know, anybody could do it, but not everybody can, right?
	Yeah, but I mean, going to a different state to have an abortion with respect, I think that's a slightly different level of topic than becoming a billionaire.
	Your whole scenario was saying in an idealistic world, men and women are equal and that women are disadvantaged.
	What can they do besides the killing baby thing?
	Plan B? What is something that women are not able to do that men can do?
	Legally, I mean, we had a disagreement over the reproductive rights, but my point is that like...
	Do you have anything else besides that?
	That was one example.
	Well, she tried to say systemic advantage is what I'm trying to get to, and she's saying that socioeconomic, blah, blah, blah, but I still don't understand.
	There are social advantages that are going to influence systems of government and have downstream effects that affect women specifically.
	Specifically, give me an example of what affects women negatively that doesn't also affect men.
	body count.
	Yeah, socially.
	Yeah, straight up.
	He's talking about rights.
	I agree with that.
	I'm talking about rights and privileges.
	He's talking about rights and privileges.
	Okay, man, we're going to talk about, let's talk about privilege, right?
	If we're talking about how we perceive each other in society, it's a straight-up fact that if men apparently sleep with a lot of women, they're seen as a higher status, right?
	That's not true.
	Well, according to a lot of people, here it is, right?
	It's getting to that point where you can sleep with a lot of women, but having a lot of sex with different women does not make you a high-status male.
	I'm happy you think that a lot of men don't think that.
	Either way, you don't see women or you don't see people call men whores after sleeping with a bunch of women.
	Women call women whores first.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Women call women whores more than men.
	I know, but I don't want to see women.
	Hold on, let's let her finish her point.
	Guys, let's let her finish her point.
	So are you trying to help her out with the privilege thing?
	Well, yeah, if we're talking about privileges in society...
	Can you wait until I get to that?
	Yeah, sure.
	Alright, so you couldn't really name anything outside of random?
	No, I could name them, but we have a fundamental disagreement about to what extent men are entitled to have reproductive rights over women's reproductive systems.
	Okay, we went over that.
	Alright, what about you?
	Are there any rights or privileges that you could think of that men have that women don't?
	No.
	No?
	What about you?
	I honestly can't think of anything.
	You guys have had plenty of time to think about it, so I hope y'all got something, if something.
	Any rights or privileges that men have that women don't?
	A privilege...
	I mean, you guys can feel safer more of the time.
	Like, the privilege is like...
	That's not true.
	When you go outside...
	No, no, 66% more likely to be the victims of violent crime.
	Perpetrated by other men, right?
	Yes.
	So we're all in danger for men.
	It doesn't matter who the other person is, but the homicide rate is way higher for men.
	Yeah.
	Violent crime in general.
	Do you feel, when you go outside, do you normally think like, I'm going to die?
	No, you don't like to walk around with the victim mindset.
	That's worse.
	That's going to make you a victim more often.
	I don't think that's a victim mindset.
	That's exactly what it is.
	Contending with reality that there are some areas of life and society that are more dangerous than others.
	She said you walk around scared.
	Just because I know the homicide rate is higher for men, it doesn't mean that I'm going to walk around scared with pepper spray all the time.
	I'm just going to move my head on a swivel and be more confident and be more aware.
	Or not go into those dangerous areas.
	But do you feel more comfortable being a man?
	Like, oh, if something happens to me, I have more of a potential to save myself?
	Not me.
	As a man, do you feel like you two as a man?
	That were more...
	What's the question?
	Do you feel more comfortable?
	Like, if you were walking alone by yourself in the dark, would you feel more comfortable?
	Like, I'm okay.
	Then who?
	Her question, she didn't phrase it correctly.
	What she's asking you is, do you feel more capable of defending yourself against threats as a man versus a woman?
	Yeah, of course.
	But the statistics don't reflect that.
	Having that victim mindset, just because you feel more unsafe doesn't mean that you are at risk of violence more than...
	That's what you're asking, right?
	Yeah, but I wouldn't say it's a victim mindset.
	We have to be more cautious than men.
	No, you don't.
	The statistics do not reflect that.
	Maybe you guys put yourselves in that situation for it to be the statistics to be...
	I'm drunk, sorry.
	The statistics to be so high, though.
	You guys put yourselves in these violent crimes for the statistics to be so high.
	Females don't engage into that stuff.
	That's why the statistics is so high.
	But normally...
	All right, if you're drunk, bro, we gonna move on.
	Okay.
	I can see what she's saying.
	Like, she's saying, like, because we're more cautious, maybe that's the reason why.
	If you're more cautious, you would not be put in precarious situations where your safety is at risk.
	Hence, you would not be a victim of violent crime.
	So on a normal day, men walking down the street at night are more safer than women because we end up...
	Incorrect.
	Incorrect.
	Men are far more likely to be the victims of violent crime.
	To get raped, killed, put in a ditch in the trunk?
	Look, the thing is, you guys watch too many true crime dramas.
	The reality is that men are far more likely to be the victims of violent crime than women are.
	That's just a fact.
	I feel like you guys put yourselves in that situation.
	It's not about I feel like or what I think or whatever.
	It's just reality.
	It's just what it is.
	Alright, are there any rights or privileges that men have that women don't?
	I don't know if this is a right or a privilege, but I've worked a very long time in sales.
	And yes, it's easier for women to sell more because they're women.
	But it is harder for us to, for example, close a big deal negotiating because sometimes when they see you as a woman, they might not take you serious.
	But I don't really know if that's a right or a privilege.
	Okay, so you think that women don't get taken seriously?
	Sometimes in negotiations.
	Okay.
	Do you think that has to do with your inherent gender or rather your skill set, knowledge, and ability to close the deal?
	Gender when it comes to...
	Alright, yeah, we're going to kill the Twitch stream.
	Come on over to Rumble, guys.
	Rumble.com slash Fresh to Fit because, yeah, we said simple a few times.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Where was I? Okay, so I asked you, because you said, being a woman, you have issues closing deals and being taken seriously in a boardroom.
	And I'm saying, is it realistically because you're a woman?
	Rather, is it because of your inability to speak correctly?
	Maybe you dress a certain way that they don't take you seriously.
	Maybe your tonality sucks.
	Sometimes it's a very masculine business that normally men...
	Negotiating.
	So then that's why this girl, this female, why would I close this big deal with a female?
	I don't know.
	I feel like sometimes we get seen like that.
	But I do think, for example, in domestic violence, when it comes to the law, we do have a lot of rights because they always go with what the woman says.
	But the question was, what rights and privileges a man have that you don't?
	Honestly, no.
	Not much.
	The only one you could think of is maybe the boardroom of sales?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	The difficulty with that is, of course, it gets anecdotal because like, for example, in the media industry, in the advertising industry in the UK, most of the people in senior positions are now female and they're closing big deals and they're getting those deals done.
	So we'd have to drill down into the data to see if that's really accurate or not.
	And that's why I asked you, is it really your gender or is it your ability?
	Okay, what about you?
	What right or privilege do women have that men don't?
	Or sorry, do men have that women don't?
	Excuse me.
	What privileges do men have that women don't?
	Rights or privileges that men have that women don't?
	And if you can't think of one, it's fine.
	I'll move on.
	Yeah, just move on.
	Fantastic.
	Come back to me, maybe.
	What about you, Xena?
	Can you think of one?
	Rights-wise, I've read the Bill of Rights and women and men are equal.
	When it comes to that, they have the same rights.
	Privilege, women have their vagina.
	Okay, so there's nothing that men have.
	There's no advantages that men have.
	I mean, okay, privilege-wise, I guess men, okay, if we get into it, they have their strength, they have their skill, they have logical thinking, they're more, yeah, they're just more logical, so, and tactical.
	Alright.
	Strength.
	What about you?
	Yeah, everything was already said.
	We can move on.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I know you're opinionated on this.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I know.
	Before I go to you, because I know you're going to be opinionated, what about you?
	A right or a privilege that men have that women don't?
	Well, I don't agree that most men are more logical than women, but a good privilege I would say y'all have is being able to whip it out and piss.
	I mean, I wish I could just do that sometimes.
	Well, logically, well, the logic thing that you're saying, it's a fact.
	Men are a lot more logically sound and rational than women are.
	That's why they run the world.
	That's not a fact.
	That's not a fact, that's a men opinion.
	That is 1000% a fact.
	Ladies, ladies, ladies.
	We have to have some kind of like understanding here, basic concept of how the world works.
	Man, okay, your personal experience does not necessarily reflect reality.
	Just because you may be an exceptional woman when it comes to the ability to deduct the problem solved does not mean that other women can do that.
	Everything that you guys see was built by men.
	Everything that you see that's been invented by men.
	Men are deductive problem solvers.
	Men built the first world that you guys currently enjoy now.
	Women don't really build or contribute to society like that.
	Women extract resources and use them.
	Men create the resources.
	It's been that way.
	That's a fact.
	Stop interrupting, dude.
	Stop interrupting.
	Alright?
	So, the reason why I say that men are more rationally sound than deductive problem-solvers is because the world that you guys enjoy right now has been created by men.
	And the reason why men are more rational, if you look at STEM, science, technology, engineering, or math, fields that typically tend to be more rationally sound, deductive problem-solving, are dominated by men.
	This isn't up for debate.
	Men and women's brains are 100% wired differently.
	Men prioritize ration and logic.
	Women prioritize emotion.
	Okay.
	I think that's really interesting.
	Do you mind if I ask you a couple of questions?
	Well, before you do that, did you want to hit the privilege thing?
	Because I know that can go into another tangent.
	Oh, I can go really long on the privilege thing, but I'll try to keep it short.
	Go ahead.
	We'll get back to the...
	I can't believe that we can't agree on that, but we'll come back to the male and female, you know, logic and rational.
	But if I lined up 100...
	So just to finish, if I lined up 100 men and 100 women, those men would be far more rashly sound than those women.
	Okay.
	And the world you enjoy nowadays is the byproduct of men being rational deducted prompts.
	The reason we're able to be in this room and sit down and talk about this is because if something goes down, we're going to call a man.
	We're going to call the policeman.
	We're going to call the security.
	If there's a fire, we're going to call the firemen.
	Men are the reason that we're even able to be in here talking about this and debating a subject that everybody can actually understand.
	Do you not think that they're like female?
	But let's go back to the privilege thing and we can go ahead and talk about that.
	But sure, go ahead.
	The original question.
	So what privileges or rights do men enjoy that women do not?
	Men are seen as more capable, even in circumstances that they're not.
	Such as?
	Okay, so for example, Yale had an interesting study.
	They actually had two different studies.
	One of them involved a list of resumes where they had resumes of women that were a lot more qualified than the men.
	Now, when they gave the resumes to the scientists to decide who would you hire, who would you not, for example, They would always pick the men, even though the women were more qualified.
	Now, when they blanked the names, when they couldn't see who was male, who had a male-sounding name, who had a female-sounding name, guess what?
	The women were picked more when they had a better reputation in those resumes.
	Another example of this is when it comes to music, for example.
	They did a study where they were deciding, okay, who's going to be in the orchestra, who's not, et cetera, et cetera.
	The men were always overwhelmingly picked until they decided to have blind auditions, where, curtain down, you can only hear the music.
	Guess what?
	It started being 50-50 when it came to picks of music.
	So those are two small examples of how men are seen to be more qualified, even when they're not.
	That's kind of like my example.
	I'm familiar even with that second study.
	They had to conduct it one more time because a variable that they didn't account for was that women were more likely to wear high heels and that the sound of their high heels clicking across the stage impacted the judge's ability to neutrally judge them blind.
	Yeah.
	It's a really interesting study.
	So it seems like in general men are seen as more capable when they're not.
	What was the sample size?
	The sample size?
	I can't remember off the top of my head, but I believe it was randomly conducted anyways.
	Okay.
	But either way, like...
	There's various studies when it comes to this.
	I'm pretty sure we can find a metadata study if you want right now.
	That's kind of like my example.
	That's kind of my example, but that's really a right or a privilege.
	She's saying that women have more privilege with getting selected in science.
	What was the position specifically that the men were selected over the women?
	Yes, in STEM, even though they had less qualifications STEM-wise.
	When they did the blind studies, when they decided to blank out the names, the women who had more qualifications in STEM started getting picked more.
	Okay, well, realistically speaking, if a woman applies for a STEM job and a man applies for a STEM job, that woman is far more likely to get the position because of affirmative action.
	And all these job fields overwhelmingly want women in them versus men.
	They overwhelmingly want women, but that doesn't mean that that necessarily always translates to the picking process.
	So that refutes your claim you just made just now that women are more likely to get...
	Men are more likely to get the same positions when in reality, these jobs, right?
	Anything that's male-dominated, whether it's construction, law enforcement, STEM, science, technology, engineering, math, plumbing even, any type of blue labor job, if a woman applies, they're going to want to put her there for some type of workplace diversity.
	But we just demonstrated how it's not a matter of a lack of educational attainment on the female candidates' parts.
	Because it's not about the education.
	It's about trying to dismantle these social biases that exist against women, even though they're more than qualified to be in these positions and be in these sectors.
	Is it possible that there are societal biases against men, though?
	Absolutely.
	Because what we're talking about here is really...
	I suppose for want of a better term, it's soft power, isn't it?
	It's a perception thing.
	There's this perception that the woman isn't going to be as good as the job as the man in these studies.
	But I mean, is there not equal perceptions that go to the detriment of men in society as well?
	I've seen these resume studies before as well, where a man and woman are both equally qualified and when they take the names off, they overwhelmingly pick the women.
	Like, I mean, I've seen it both ways.
	How would they overwhelmingly pick the woman if they don't know it's a woman name?
	No, I'm saying, like, I've seen it where the person, right, he has a job resume, and he didn't get hired, but applies to the same positions, changes it to a female name, they give him a call back.
	That's interesting.
	I guess, generally speaking, the reason why I said that, what you said doesn't repeat my point.
	Women are good for the workforce.
	Okay.
	This is why feminism has done so well, because employees want women.
	Women are easier to basically get to pay less because women are more agreeable.
	Women tend to work less hours.
	Women tend to be more representative of the entire population.
	They tend to take more time off.
	Even though they're not necessarily the best employees, they represent the company well.
	People want to have women around.
	It's a little bit dishonest to frame that women want to take more time off.
	You're talking about things related to paternity leave, right?
	That's a fact.
	Women overwhelmingly...
	The whole gender wage gap thing...
	Yeah, but the reason why they want to take time off is because of maternity leave, right?
	That's part of it.
	Women in general take medication time...
	It sounds like...
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Because what I was going to get at here is that women earn less because they deserve less.
	And the reason for that is because women overwhelmingly take more vacation time.
	They work less dangerous jobs.
	They work less hours.
	They work less hard manual labor jobs.
	They go into the top 10 fields that pay the least versus men go into the top 10 fields that pay the most.
	So the reason why women earn less a lot of the times is because of their own personal choice.
	And on top of that...
	Let's add in that women dominate college attendance.
	So there's no excuse to be making less.
	I disagree with a lot of those presuppositions.
	Everything I said was a fact.
	But even if I grant you some of those premises, you're saying that women are being unfairly advantaged in certain STEM positions where they're being selected simply because employers want to have more women in their industries, right?
	I've seen women that are less qualified than men get positioned, whether it's STEM, plumbing.
	I'll never forget, one girl came on the show.
	That's anecdotal.
	She was in plumbing school.
	No, no, that's true.
	That's true.
	It's true, but anecdotal.
	It's anecdotal, but that does not make it less valid.
	I've seen a woman that literally couldn't even pull a wrench, got the job as a plumber because she was a woman.
	Okay?
	I've seen other times where women...
	That business was probably led by a man, right?
	Yes.
	Why would he hire an incompetent employee?
	Because it diversifies the workplace.
	Affirmative action.
	Affirmative action diversifies the workplace.
	Wait, so that's not a logical choice, right?
	I feel like you're saying, oh, they're willing to diversify the workplace.
	But if you're saying this is a bad employee and bad candidate, that's not a logical choice.
	So it seems really weird to me that if men are...
	That proves my point.
	No, no.
	Can I finish, please?
	Go ahead.
	So if you're saying men are more logical, they're ruling the workplace, you know, they're the ones who get everything, why are they making this so illogical choice of hiring women that are less qualified?
	It seems like there has to be some underlying...
	Well, here's the thing.
	Here's the thing.
	Having one or two female employees that are incompetent and not as efficient, Does not override the other 80 maybe male employees that are competent and they're able to simultaneously, look, we're not sexist.
	We have women that work for us.
	We have female plumbers, etc.
	The image, okay, the positivity of the image of being a diversified workplace overrides the minor loss of time and efficiency with a woman.
	In the vast majority of cases, women are simply hired over male candidates just for PR reasons.
	100%.
	I'll give you an example.
	I was a former special agent on Homeland Security Investigations, okay?
	Within all the federal law enforcement agencies, there were announcements specifically for women to get them on the job.
	Why?
	Well, I'll be honest with you.
	A lot of the times when I worked with female agents or female law enforcement personnel, they weren't as good as the guys.
	I'll just be honest.
	But that's a personal opinion.
	By what metric would you say that they were not as competent as the men?
	Okay, well, they almost are never represented in SWAT teams, for physical reasons, of course.
	Title III intercepts, right?
	Wiretapping phones, doing big case investigations, OCDFs, etc.
	Overwhelmingly men, okay?
	So, I rarely saw female investigators competing with the guys.
	Now, we could say, oh, well, there's not that many, etc.
	Which is why they worked really hard to get more female agents.
	But when the females come in, they typically do things that involve people.
	What do they do?
	They do outreach.
	They go to the schools.
	Hey, work this job.
	It's a fantastic career.
	They're going and dealing with victims, which is cool because women tend to be more interested in people versus men are more interested in things.
	But do you consider that less important or do you consider that also very important?
	Well, to the mission of the agency, it's at the bottom of the totem pole.
	The mission of the agency is to go after the top criminals and use sophisticated means to go after the top criminals, not necessarily do outreaches at universities.
	Though that's a valid way, I guess it's valid, that at the end of the day, the agency is there to arrest the worst criminals.
	Well, even in criminal justice sectors, what do you think is used more, a pen or a gun?
	I'm still confused.
	Just hear my question.
	In sectors of criminal justice related to law enforcement, SWAT teams, even FBI investigations, how often would you say it's more likely that those employees need to use a pencil throughout their day or a gun?
	Writing reports and being intelligent is the most important thing in running investigations.
	I feel like you didn't answer.
	Oh, wait.
	So you're saying men.
	Metaphorically, because no one writes anymore.
	But yes, you can say writing.
	Typing, stuff like this.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It's like, yeah, I acknowledge that, like, on average, of course, men are more strong than women.
	I'll grant you that any day of the week.
	That's absolutely true.
	But how relevant is physical strength, even in jobs and sectors like this?
	That's my point.
	It's not that relevant, and the men still dominate.
	What I'm trying to say, ladies, the only reason I even brought that up, that's just one nuanced example.
	Yeah.
	What I'm saying is that in law enforcement, construction, engineering, technology, any type of position that is male-dominated, when women enter, they're greeted with open arms and they get a hiring benefit over men.
	There are female-only announcements for women in law enforcement, construction, STEM, etc.
	Could you imagine if they had a male-only announcement?
	It would never fly.
	They would immediately be sued.
	Well, there's no need to say male-only announcements when you're saying these fields are already dominated so much by men, right?
	You also gotta remember, too, that women choose to not go into these careers.
	Why do women choose not to get into these careers?
	Because they're interested in people, not things.
	I feel like we've demonstrated that there are women who are interested in these things, but then you're already assuming that they're necessarily less competent than their male counterparts.
	So then it's not even for lack of interest.
	You're saying that they're just like always going to be more remedial, less skilled.
	There's a multitude of reasons as to why they may not choose to go into certain fields or whatever, but it's a bunch of different things.
	Women just aren't interested in the same things that men are.
	Is that really true though?
	Yes, yes.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Let me say something quickly, please.
	So I always think that's really interesting because people say, oh, you know, women, men, they're just not interested in the same things.
	But then I think about an interesting study from a university recently that talks about the first classes that women take, right?
	And men take in their first year of university.
	There was a course that had to do with computer logic, right?
	Computer programming.
	And when they put the title computer programming, it was overwhelmingly men who applied.
	But when they changed it to something that sounded more English, more language related, I think it was like language of...
	I don't exactly remember what it was.
	But basically, they rephrased the computer science class to sound more liberal arts.
	And then the rate of women who applied increased dramatically.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Let me finish.
	Let me finish.
	Right?
	So then you might be thinking, oh, doesn't that prove the point?
	Women are just more interested in languages?
	Well, it seems that the retention of women who realized it was a computer logic course and decided to apply next year to the next level of it was extremely high.
	It was like over, I think, 50 to 70%.
	It was around that range.
	So if you're really saying women are less interested in, let's say, computer science, then that retention rate wouldn't make sense.
	It would go dramatically down the next year, but it didn't.
	Which shows that, hey, maybe the barrier of entry is a little bit more intimidating to women, but once they're in these fields, it seems like they do like it.
	Okay, so here's the thing.
	They've already proved this, that women are interested in people and men are more interested in things.
	In the Scandinavian countries, where it's the most egalitarian and the most equal, okay, Women, what they found is the women refer even more to what they naturally want to do.
	Okay?
	The women go more into the social sciences, more into the nursing, more into the social work, etc.
	And the men go even more into the science, technology, engineering, and math.
	This has been proven in Scandinavian countries, which are far out of us when it comes to egalitarianism and equality.
	So, simply put, Women are interested in different things than men are, and there's nothing wrong with that, but we are biologically different, which changes the way we view the world, the way we view each other, the way we view work.
	And here's another thing, too.
	This is an unpopular opinion, but I'm going to say it anyway.
	When it comes to creating resources and excess wealth, women are just fucking lazy.
	And that's the truth.
	If you look at most of the millionaires, most of the people that are high net worth, et cetera, if you look at versus all the women that are high net worth, they got it through divorce, they got it through inheritance, et cetera.
	Men on the other hand, earn the money.
	Why?
	The reason why is because there is a burner on performance for men to earn money and there isn't on women.
	So a lot of the times the women that do earn a lot of money do it electively, but they don't do it mandatorily.
	There's a difference.
	Have you considered in Scandinavian countries, right?
	You're saying, oh no, like, you see women are more into these gender roles, etc, etc.
	But in these Scandinavian countries, it seems like there's no real incentive to change or to go more into, like, let's say STEM fields, if all the women fields are being paid an equal amount, if not extremely high.
	Okay, stop.
	Stop, stop, stop, stop.
	What is the ratio between...
	Okay, they did a German study.
	100 men, 100 women.
	They all tested the same on the IQ. What was the ratio of who quit first?
	What was the ratio?
	Please tell me.
	That's what I want to know.
	I don't know what German study you're referring to.
	Women give up before men.
	Women are emotional and they give up before men.
	And that's why in most cases...
	Going back on the study, can I speak please?
	Let her speak one second, one mic at a time.
	So while you spoke about those two studies from the college, Yale, whatever you spoke about, do you know why when they knew which gender it was that they chose men even though that the women were higher qualified?
	Because y'all are emotional as fuck.
	We're emotional as fuck.
	And we speak with emotion and we get hyped as fuck and men will continue the task until it's over.
	Women will give up when frustration comes through.
	It's very rare that a woman will finish.
	I just want to point this out.
	And then you've been trying to talk for a minute too, right?
	Yeah.
	Do you actually have something productive to say?
	Because you're going to just give a drunk statement like...
	I'm not.
	I'm not even drunk.
	I want you to...
	We are not equal and I spelled equal wrong.
	Yeah.
	Zoom in, zoom in.
	Okay, we're going to move on.
	No, no, no.
	But for real, like, the point is, like, we're obviously not equal, like, Like, y'all bad, and y'all showing it right now.
	Y'all like, because y'all emotional.
	Y'all gotta chill.
	And that's the whole point.
	Like, yes, they have some privilege that you guys are right about because I gave a little example, kind of, but shorter.
	Y'all smart as fuck.
	Y'all know how to talk.
	Y'all got the studies and shit.
	But the point is, yes, we are not equal and we are privileged.
	We're super fucking blessed.
	And y'all just ungrateful.
	Like, chill.
	That's it.
	Chill, chill, chill.
	I want to ask a question to the ladies.
	We're going to let her finish her point.
	Go on.
	I actually want to break down a previous point.
	People are asking as if emotion and logic are completely separate dichotomies.
	They're not.
	And I can prove it to you right now.
	If a car is going...
	Yeah, I will.
	If a car is going at you 70 miles per hour and you're standing in the middle of the road, what do you do?
	My person with Cassidy means I'll backflip over that shit.
	What's up?
	Wait, what'd she say?
	Okay, she said she'd backflip over the car.
	The vast majority of people, when they see a car going 70 miles per hour at them, they run out of fear.
	Who runs?
	Right?
	So, a lot of people would say, oh, that's an emotional response.
	Fear is an emotional response.
	But think about it.
	Historically speaking, why would you have that fear?
	Oh, because your brain knows automatically that if that car hits you, you'd die.
	That is a logical response.
	Emotions aren't completely separate from logic.
	And pretending it is, is just ignoring the reality of our emotions.
	If somebody is insulting you, making you feel bad, saying horrible shit to you, of course you're going to feel sad.
	That's an attack on you.
	That's not illogical.
	So this idea that emotions and logic are completely separate.
	Those are like defense mechanisms.
	And in some cases, they can secure your survival.
	Literally.
	The emotional response to a car coming out of you would be doing what the deer does and just staying there and actually being paralyzed in fear, because fear is an emotion.
	The logical response is running, yeah, the emotional, the logical response is getting out of the way.
	I got a question.
	I got a question.
	Have any of you ever been in that situation?
	Because I've been held at gunpoint.
	So wait, wait, wait.
	I've been held at gunpoint.
	What did you do?
	Because when I was held at gunpoint, bitch, I was sitting there stuck.
	I didn't run.
	I didn't run either.
	So has a car come speeding at you and you just ran?
	Because it's very rare that a person actually is able to stop.
	That's why it's called ice choice.
	You're here today.
	Okay, listen.
	Somebody died, so we're not going to get into that.
	I finished speaking because this is the worst panel.
	Y'all keep speaking the fuck up when one bitch is speaking.
	Like, you're emotional.
	Accept the fact because every time I'm talking, you hear what you want to hear and you want to pitch in.
	Let me finish my fucking sentence.
	Here we go again.
	Let one bitch talk at a time.
	Can we use another word other than bitch?
	Can I say something?
	Can we let each other speak?
	Okay, so how many of you at this table have been in a situation where they were held either at gunpoint or you've had a speeding car coming at you at 150,000 miles and you didn't do the fucking backflip?
	How many of you?
	I didn't do it backflip.
	One or two.
	So, since you like to use the word anecdotal a lot, You have no experience, so why are you speaking on it?
	Come on!
	You're speaking on what you thought everybody else would do, but you've never even been in that experience.
	You don't have any experience to speak on that.
	And I'm still speaking.
	And I'm still speaking.
	But it's okay.
	You asked me a question, so then I was going to respond.
	Did I finish my sentence?
	Did I drop the mic?
	Did I drop the mic?
	I think fundamentally, I think it's, I don't want to say disingenuous, but I don't think that whether you stand there like a deer in the headlights or whether you run like hell when the car comes towards you, I don't think that impulse in that moment can be said to be logical.
	I I think you could apply logic to it afterwards.
	You can say, yes, it was...
	Obviously, it was logical because otherwise I was going to get killed by the car.
	But I think the reality is that in that moment, the decision to run or stand there like a deer in the headlights is entirely emotional.
	Yeah.
	But she's saying the culmination...
	Of several instantaneous emotional decisions secured your survival in that sense.
	Is that the same thing as solving a fucking math quiz?
	No, you get frustrated and give up.
	Like, you can't think straight.
	Like, I was medicated on Adderall growing up.
	I know what it is.
	And I graduated when I was 14 years old.
	So, it's not the same as getting almost ran over by a car.
	That's not the same emotion versus logic.
	Because when I get frustrated as a woman and I'm not able to solve a problem, I'm getting frustrated I can't even solve the problem until I'm calmed down later and I come back later.
	Non-emotional, and I can solve the problem with logic.
	It's not the fucking same.
	You're using an example of a fucking car speeding at you versus solving a fucking math quiz or fucking, like, come on.
	It's not the same.
	So, ladies, I think The takeaway here is that men are superior deductive problem solvers, especially in the face of pressure.
	If you don't believe me, this is why if you look at Formula One drivers, NASCAR drivers, professional chess players, etc., where there's no necessary strength difference, right?
	But it's just like, okay, operating under pressure, using my mind, being a deductive problem solver, using logic, using ration, men are superior.
	And if they weren't, there'd be more female chess champions.
	There'd be more Formula One drivers that were women.
	There'd be more pilots that were men, that were women.
	But men overwhelmingly dominate these positions.
	Why?
	Because men are more logically sound than women.
	I don't even know how this is a debate right now.
	Engineers, mathematicians, etc.
	Anything that is logically sound or more rationally based is dominated by men.
	Now, is that to say that there aren't women out there that are capable of being logically and rationally sound?
	Of course, you two are to a degree, right?
	But most women aren't, guys.
	The exceptions don't make the rule.
	Well, the domination and over-representation of men in these sectors doesn't necessarily mean that they are more qualified.
	To draw a parallel with race, white people are over-represented in every aspect of government, and black people and non-white people are clearly not.
	From there, does it then follow that white people are genetically superior to black people?
	No, of course not.
	It just means there are social biases that privilege those individuals.
	Actually, yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah, I mean, the bell curve is real for a reason.
	And also, you can make the same...
	By Charles Murray?
	Okay, but look, you can make the same...
	I promise you.
	You can make the same comparison to the NBA or the NFL. Like, people, we all understand that black people are better at playing sports than white people because of the genetic makeup.
	Genetic, exactly.
	What genes specifically are you referring to?
	Do I mean the bigger, stronger, faster?
	Black boys can jump.
	Like a warrior gene or what?
	I'll answer for her.
	African Americans have far more fast-twitch muscle fibers, which is what is utilized when playing sports that require explosiveness, building muscle mass, etc.
	Black people dominate almost every other race when it comes to fast-twitch muscle fibers, which is obviously used in sports.
	Race is real, just like gender is real.
	It's the same reason we understand why Asians are the best at math.
	It's because of the genetic makeup.
	It is what it is.
	Look, you can make these generalizations about race and it's fine, but now that we try to equate it to gender and you say it's not because of the opportunities, but it's just race is real just as much as it is.
	When it comes down to gender, though, the facts that you guys are stating and the statistics and all that shit is actually changing.
	Like, it's actually reversing.
	Because all you guys men think you guys are stronger and this and that, but it's actually reversing because all you men are actually turning into women.
	Y'all bitches these days.
	Y'all straight up bitches these days.
	I'm not manly at all.
	I feel like these niggas are just bitches these days.
	If you seriously think that, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	What are y'all Let's get more women in the military.
	If you really think that, let's get more women in the military.
	Let's go ahead and get rid of the WWE. Unless let women play sports with men.
	You think they'll be able to compete?
	The answer is no, so stop.
	I want to ask a question for all the ladies.
	Let me ask a question real quick.
	We're having a conversation here.
	And I want to ask a question.
	When it's time for the ladies to ask a question.
	Sure.
	But this is a good question.
	Yo, is this your show?
	No, but I have a good question.
	Okay, go ahead.
	What were you saying?
	We're talking about something and you just want to interject my question.
	Because everyone else asks a question.
	I'm the only one that's respecting the one mic, one whatever policy.
	You've interjected a bunch of times.
	You're doing it right now.
	We're on a topic right now as far as gender and race.
	You don't have a good question.
	You just want a little bit of attention.
	You guys are talking about statistics.
	Go ahead.
	I'm just trying to say that you clearly believe that biological explanations are the reason that we see men on top and overrepresented in every sector of society for the most part, right?
	Like a genetic superiority to women.
	Are you saying is that why?
	I'm saying that that seems to be what you believe based off the statements that you've made tonight.
	That men are superior in...
	Genetically, right?
	And your evidence of that is to point to results.
	You're looking at, again, over-representation.
	Are we going to another topic?
	We're talking about race a second ago.
	We can still talk about race if you'd like.
	What's your question?
	It's not about superiority.
	It's that we have different things.
	This is what happens, and this is why this debate even comes up, is because when you hear this, you think that men are better than women.
	In some ways, in some fields, yes, but not overall.
	I could be misunderstanding your argument.
	I don't believe that you're...
	That's what I was asking you.
	Do you believe that men are biologically superior to women?
	Yes, in many regards.
	Absolutely.
	But the point is, we are just not equal.
	Stop taking it personally.
	I don't believe that.
	Can I make an observation?
	It's a fact that men are biologically superior to women when it comes to strength, height, muscle density, more aerobic capacity.
	Men are more strong than women on average.
	There's a reason why there's two standards in the military.
	There's a reason why there's different sports.
	Who are you talking to?
	I'm not talking to me.
	Stop talking.
	I don't know what you think this is, but this is the truth.
	Get the fuck out of here, bro.
	Just get out of here, bro.
	Get out of here, bro.
	Get the fuck out of here, bro.
	You're an idiot.
	You see how emotional we are, bro?
	Y'all gotta chill.
	Look at y'all.
	Let me say my shit.
	Shh, be quiet.
	She was just talking over everybody the whole time.
	But everybody has been talking over everybody, honestly.
	You're not gonna call me dumb on my own shit, man.
	Get the fuck out of here.
	Especially when I'm stating facts.
	You're the one that looks dumb.
	Yeah, I knew she was gonna go.
	Fucking ratchet ass hoes, man.
	Who brought that bitch in here, man?
	I told you before we started, Myron, I told you.
	Everyone be kind.
	Can I make an observation?
	Sure, go ahead.
	Okay.
	So, you guys are talking about this as if it's something biological and ingrained.
	And I just think it's interesting that we're ignoring the fact that for...
	Wait, what are you doing?
	I'm just going to fix your seat.
	Okay.
	We're ignoring the fact that for a lot of history...
	Yeah, go ahead.
	One second.
	Okay.
	I'll just wait until we're done here.
	Yeah, there's...
	Just...
	Okay.
	Why'd you put that?
	Okay.
	We're ignoring the fact that throughout history, there has been a lot of barriers purposely put to hold women back, right?
	So if we're thinking about, oh, you know, men are more inclined to be this way versus that way, etc., etc.
	Before you go into that, what has, like, what...
	What did they purposely do to make women not whatever you were saying?
	That's a great question.
	Yeah, I want to know.
	I have great questions.
	So let me talk.
	Yeah, okay.
	She was getting there, man.
	I want to know.
	I really want to know, though.
	She was literally getting there.
	Okay, let's get to it.
	Instead of interrupting, let her talk and stop drinking.
	She just wants to talk right now.
	I do.
	I want to debate.
	What's wrong?
	I want to debate.
	I have a good question.
	Stop interjecting.
	I haven't interjected.
	Literally, she's trying to speak and you're interjecting.
	You're not contributing to the debate.
	You just want some attention.
	Why do you keep telling my attention?
	I don't need attention.
	I'm very cute.
	I don't need attention.
	Get the fuck out of here, bro.
	Why are you giving me out?
	I don't even do anything.
	Get the fuck out of here, bro.
	This is not going to be a low IQ conversation.
	Nah, bro.
	She out.
	She out.
	Nah, man.
	Get out of here, bro.
	Get out of here.
	Yes, I'm doing you like that.
	Well, I'm going to sit in the cut and wait for my friend.
	Nah, you out the studio, bro.
	We ain't on this attention whore shit.
	I don't give a fuck how you look.
	Get the fuck off my shit, bro.
	How many of you ladies want to kick down doors when you want to work for law enforcement?
	You ladies don't want to do that shit.
	So what I'm saying is...
	Yo, leave!
	What are you doing?
	Fuck this podcast.
	Well, get out of here.
	You look crazy.
	Does this usually happen?
	What the fuck?
	Clown world shit.
	Trying to have a high IQ conversation.
	You want to make it about you when you're drunk as fuck.
	Get the fuck out of here.
	Shut up!
	Like, what the fuck do you think this is?
	You see what I'm talking about now?
	She said I'm cute when talking about a debate.
	Like, a man wouldn't do that.
	She's twerking.
	Yeah, but she's intoxicated.
	Yeah, she's ridiculous.
	I don't twerk when I'm intoxicated.
	She looks like a clown, bro.
	I've never started twerking while intoxicated.
	This is a perfect example of a girl never being told no.
	Like, never- Yo, you ain't going in there, bro.
	Fuck, won't you?
	Chris.
	No.
	No, you're on purpose.
	No.
	That's not what I meant.
	She just listens to me.
	You want me to get her out?
	Do you want me to get her out?
	All right, yeah, get her out here.
	I don't want anyone to feel like we're hugging the mics.
	I won't hear everybody's feedback.
	We've got to keep the conversation somewhat high IQ. They're just jealous of the attention that the spotlight wasn't on them for five seconds.
	Women are addicted to attention.
	Right now, this is a perfect example of logic versus emotion.
	Y'all are literally witnessing it right now.
	I thought I didn't know that it mattered.
	i thought okay are we good Are we good?
	Yeah, we're good.
	We can continue the conversation.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	You okay?
	Oh my god.
	Bro, I'm gonna end up fighting her.
	I'm kind of scared.
	She's knocking on the door now.
	Did you really have that much to drink?
	Hood ass bitch doesn't want to leave.
	Can I have attention?
	I hurt my foot really bad.
	Sims, can I have attention?
	I'm cute.
	Subscribe.
	Stay strong with Shana.
	Shana, you're strong with Zina in the house.
	We all know that.
	I hope you guys see the fuckery going on.
	Actually, this is a perfect example of emotion versus logic right now slamming on the door.
	You want me to give her the...
	Whatever.
	Continue on the show.
	She just wants attention.
	All right.
	So where were we at?
	Somebody had something?
	I was talking about...
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So historically, there's been a lot of barriers for women to get into these fields to begin with.
	So for example, historically, women weren't allowed to get an education.
	They weren't allowed to work jobs beyond teaching and nursing.
	And this was until like the 60s, 70s, where it started changing.
	Women couldn't even have their own bank accounts.
	They couldn't own their own property.
	So when it comes to the idea of...
	Sorry, I'm getting distracted by her screaming.
	Yeah, they didn't do this back then before the 60s.
	They knew their place, huh?
	Back to gender.
	Okay, so when we talk about, oh, you know, women just aren't interested in these fields.
	Well, historically, women have been, like, gatekeeped out of these fields.
	They haven't been allowed to get their foot in.
	And I think a perfect example...
	Sneak around the show.
	Keep going, keep going.
	So when people talk about like, oh, you know, well, now all these barriers are down.
	Why aren't women like going into these fields?
	It also doesn't make complete sense because when it comes to people growing up deciding what careers they want to, what they look at first is, OK, what about the people like me?
	What careers are they into?
	Because it seems more accessible and easier to get to those careers.
	So do you guys know Dana Scully?
	No.
	Oh, of X-Files.
	Yes, the Scully effect is a perfect example.
	Yes, exactly.
	So, in the 70s...
	Oh, I forgot the exact...
	I think the 90s.
	X-Files is the 90s show.
	Yes.
	Okay, so in the 90s, X-Files came out.
	Can you hear me in your...
	I can't hear you.
	Yeah, we can hear you.
	Keep going.
	Really?
	Yes.
	I can't hear you guys in your...
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	So in the 90s, X-Files came out.
	And afterwards, there was a huge surgence of women applying towards STEM fields.
	And when asked about these women, like, why did you decide to apply to these STEM fields?
	The vast majority said, oh, well, my inspiration was Dana Scully, a woman who in the X-Files was a hardcore STEM lady.
	So that's just one small example of how, oh, you want more women in STEM? Why aren't they picking STEM? Why aren't they doing that?
	A lot of it is because they don't see other women in STEM. So they don't think the probability of them succeeding in that field is high.
	So they choose something else.
	It's not because they're less logical or less inclined.
	Yeah, media representation plays a huge role in these things.
	So if you are growing up and you're socialized or consuming media in which men are overwhelmingly represented in these fields, and then even in fictional media, women are not depicted or minority demographics are not depicted in these roles.
	So you think it's brainwashing and it has nothing to do with your genetic makeup?
	I mean, I disagree with the framing of brainwashing.
	Well, you're saying media.
	You're saying not seeing other women.
	Well, influence.
	Media obviously has influence.
	You agree, right?
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	That's something that you obviously notice in the same way that Black people notice that they're not represented in the highest facets of government and whatnot.
	There can be a chilling effect in which people self-select and feel like they're not welcome in those fields.
	And it's not for lack of qualifications, but...
	It's because they don't feel empowered to do so.
	I know that word is corny, but it's true.
	Okay, so the point is, we are not equal.
	And if you want, I have straight, real stories, not statistics and studies.
	I have actual stories.
	If you want to hear the story of my actual life that I've been through, I can tell it.
	But if not, can we change the stuff?
	I kind of feel bad for you because all the points you're making are just being debunked by this panel right now.
	Well, the good thing is that I believe in logic and I don't believe in anecdotal evidence.
	But nobody gives a fuck what we believe in.
	Like, let's be real.
	Let's rip the band-aid off.
	We're on rumble, right?
	Nobody gives a fuck about what you believe in.
	It's faggotry.
	It's faggotry.
	What you believe in does not fucking matter.
	There's plenty of other statistics that literally debunk you, bro.
	Like, just stop.
	First of all, let me finish talking before I get drunk and act crazy because you don't want me to do that, I promise.
	So shut the fuck up.
	I'm not going to, I promise.
	So, at the end of the day, Statistics, you can't always back your logic behind all these statistics either.
	You're over here arguing about media having control over everything and brainwashing.
	So what the fuck?
	Who's to say that the shit you're studying is not even real?
	Like, come on.
	The scientific method.
	There's independent ways of...
	Can we talk about another debate?
	So, uh...
	No.
	Because there's been so many things addressed here, whether it's women having certain, you know, not having certain accesses to certain privileges and accesses that men do versus, you know, races not having certain opportunities presented to them, etc.
	And though these barriers did exist, right?
	You guys were talking about 60s, 70s, etc.
	Right?
	I would argue in today's day and age, we've corrected to a point where it's damn near overcorrection.
	And I would say, yeah, I would say African Americans have equal opportunities to whites that whites honestly don't get the benefit of.
	A lot of affirmative action, let's be honest here, if you're a woman, black, Hispanic, Native American, etc., you have a leg up in certain types of institutions and education that Caucasians don't.
	If the majority group is already overrepresented in these industries, why would they need affirmative action?
	Well, it's not about that.
	We've overcorrected the point now.
	We hire people that are less qualified because they're black, because they're Hispanic, because they're women.
	Affirmative action is not conducted in the way that you're saying.
	It absolutely does.
	Candidates are being privileged over white candidates or male candidates.
	Absolutely.
	No.
	Usually affirmative action plays out like this.
	All else being equal, when the only variable that's different between two resumes is that you have a black candidate and a white candidate, affirmative action ensures that black candidates in that specific case will be prioritized over the white candidate.
	And I would argue...
	So explain to me how there's diversity hires, why they incentivize African Americans and or women.
	They put job postings literally for any other demographic except for Caucasians.
	And specifically in Ivy League schools, they give acceptance to people who aren't Asian because they have too many Asians dominating them in all the studies.
	Yeah, there are definitely issues with the ways.
	And your point, you missed the point earlier, but she said that it's because of media and it's because of what we see.
	Women don't see other women succeeding.
	You said there's a lack of empowerment, and I would argue that there's too much empowerment, there's too much girl boss.
	That's why you saw this whole panel say that I'm a girl boss, I'm a queen, I'm a trapper, I'm in charge, I'm married to the game, saying all these masculine qualities because of She-Hulk, because of Megan Thee Stallion.
	Stallion is a male horse.
	We are overly trying to make women turn into the masculine quality, to become the boss.
	There's too much empowerment.
	I don't think that we're trying.
	I think we just had to step up to the plate because of the lack of leadership in our men.
	Well, there's a reason that there's a lack of leadership in the men.
	It's because women are told too much to become the boss.
	And so as a result, men become weaker.
	If you brainwash the women, the men suffer.
	There's no point in blaming men or women for this problem.
	You saying that there's a lack of empowerment is just not true.
	There's too much empowerment.
	Like every single female role model like Kim Kardashian, they're all queen.
	They're all like billionaires.
	They're all girl boss queens.
	They're all influencers, or at least it seems like a lot of them are.
	If you're going to talk about, oh, Steph...
	Well, that's what they look up to.
	If you ask all the girls on the panel who they look up to, they would say Nicki Minaj.
	They would say Megan Thee Stallion.
	They wouldn't say any of the people that you're citing.
	Yeah, so that kind of actually proves my point, right?
	They see Kim Kardashian, a famous influencer, and they see that she's successful, so they think, oh, maybe I can be successful going down that route.
	But they don't see, oh, famous female scientists, for example.
	They don't see famous female doctors.
	I know.
	So they don't think, oh, I can go down those routes and be successful.
	If those influences exist, even for superficial sectors of society, like social media influences, we're saying that it could be the case, and it obviously is the case, that there could be a more positive influence to be found in women's representation in media, in which there are positions of economic power.
	But should that be proof as to why influencers are looked up to as the role models for women?
	Because what they really want is attention.
	That's the most important part.
	Okay.
	I would say by definition, man, woman, any influencer wants attention.
	Okay, so is Kim Kardashian and the female scientists equal?
	Are they equal?
	What do you mean by that?
	Same shit with females and males.
	That wasn't really a point.
	I'm saying the male role models are guys like Elon Musk, Nikola Tesla.
	You have a lot of male role models that have nothing really to do with attention, just people who have earned their achievements.
	You're framing it like a negative thing, but I find attention to be such a neutral term in this.
	There's no point in seeing it as negative.
	It's just that this is what women prioritize.
	It doesn't have to be negative.
	Nico, I understand what you're saying, but historically, men were allowed to do science and women just weren't.
	They weren't allowed to go to a higher education university.
	So you're saying, oh, this is what women prioritize?
	No, women look up to women that are successful.
	And for the vast majority of history, women weren't allowed to step into these fields.
	Okay, but so they've been allowed to since you said the 60s, 70s.
	They've had all the same opportunities.
	Why have they not popped up?
	That's the Well, you also got to remember too, because of the things that I cited before...
	Being just honest with you, women are just lazier than men.
	And women don't want to accept this, but men are far more prone to work harder.
	They're less likely to take vacation time.
	They're more likely to work more hours.
	Men on average just work harder than women in every stat across the field.
	So employers are within their rights to go ahead and pick men in certain endeavors because they know they're going to get a better employee.
	And then on top of that, when women have children, a lot of times I've seen lawyers, doctors, etc.
	They have children, their whole mindset changes.
	Fuck my career.
	I want to care about my children.
	And there's nothing wrong with that.
	But in general, women are far more interested in their family, people, and their children than necessarily a career.
	And they proved this too.
	They did a study in Ireland with COVID, right?
	When it was time to return back to the office, return back to the workforce, most of the women elected to stay home and take care of the loved ones versus go back to the workforce.
	And there's nothing wrong with that, but that just speaks to the biological differences between the two genders.
	Men understand that That if we don't go out and create excess resources, we will never be taken seriously from our counterparts.
	But women, on the other hand, don't have to create excess resources.
	If they choose to, it's elective.
	But you can still find a mate if you choose not to.
	We cannot find a mate if we don't create excess resources, which is why men have a...
	How do I say this?
	They have...
	More incentive to go out there and create excess resources where women don't.
	This is why you look at pretty girls, a lot of times they don't work.
	Why?
	I don't have to.
	I take an issue with your framing, even from the start, because what you're characterizing as women behaving in a lazy way, I feel like you're undervaluing the product of domestic labor that women overwhelmingly Do in the home, rearing children, care work, caring for elderly, or even in the sectors of work that they work in, like social work and stuff like that.
	Okay.
	Do you believe that these are easy jobs?
	I never said it was.
	No.
	But you did say that, like, women just got lazier, right?
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	I said it earlier.
	I might have misunderstood.
	Yeah, you did.
	Because I was very specific.
	And I said that women are lazy when it comes to creating resources.
	He's right.
	I'm going to tell you why.
	Have you had a kid?
	No.
	No.
	Have you had a kid?
	No.
	Okay.
	I've had a kid.
	This is real shit, real life.
	I've had a kid.
	Before, I was just like, yo, oh no, I'm a workaholic.
	I'm a boss.
	I can do this.
	Until I had my kid.
	Because when you have a kid, there's something called postpartum.
	That shit is serious.
	No, it's not just depression.
	It's fucking postpartum.
	And that shit is way worse than...
	Oh, just depression!
	No.
	It's something unexplainable, unimaginable, just like birth.
	When we give birth...
	I gave natural birth.
	No epidural.
	No, I don't know how to say it in English.
	Cesaria?
	How do you say it in English?
	C-section.
	Nothing.
	C-section.
	Real birth.
	And the natural process, I changed completely.
	I changed my way of thinking, my way of working.
	I just wanted to dedicate my life to my child.
	Okay?
	So he's right in that.
	And it's the opposite.
	When a man has a kid, he has even more of an incentive and more of a work ethic to create resources.
	We just want to be at home with our child.
	We want to provide for them.
	But do you see how these things become like self-fulfilling prophecies?
	And on the one hand, I'm saying that women are relegated to these roles not by choice, but by social biases where the expectation is for women to care for children, to be the homemakers.
	And then from there, you're saying, oh, well, they don't want to work.
	They're being lazy.
	And it's like, well, if women already have the overwhelming social expectation to care for children, are we good?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, keep going.
	To care for children, then I'm not going to characterize their choice to stay home and rear those children when they know that there is not necessarily going to be a man in their life to step up and do it, depending on their life circumstances.
	But she's saying it's not something, it wasn't really a choice, just hardwired in her DNA to be the nurturer.
	It's not an active decision, it's just something natural that happens.
	It's natural.
	It changed my life completely.
	It changed the way I viewed life.
	if it changed the way I acted. - You can't really describe it until you have a-- - You were talking about paternal instinct.
	- Fuck the statistics, the facts, what you believe.
	- Yeah.
	- Don't you believe that men, there's an inclination for some men to have a paternal instinct towards their children? - Their paternal instinct isn't the same as the children. - I know, but a paternal instinct makes you want to create resources even more.
	That's the point.
	I don't understand.
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	I really don't understand because it seems to me that if you're a woman and you are trying to take care of another human being, you will be focused on amassing as many resources as you possibly can to take care of your child.
	Yeah, you can.
	It seems like the natural extension of motherhood.
	But that's the thing.
	It's not just the father's responsibility.
	It's both.
	So it seems like both people, if they have a child, their natural inclination is, let's increase as many resources as we can to take care of their child.
	If both parents are there, it's going to be the father whose responsibility is to take the resources and the mother's responsibility to nurture.
	Also, I feel like it's just...
	Why are these separate?
	Like, why...
	Biology.
	It's not choice.
	It's not as separate as tandem.
	I think you misunderstand me.
	The reason why I'm saying, oh, they're not separate is because it feels like a false dichotomy between taking care of your child and trying to create excess resources.
	So, for example, if you are taking care of your child, you're trying to make sure that they're having a good time, that they're, you know...
	Have access to as many things as possible.
	You'll want to have some extra money, right?
	Whether you're a woman or a man.
	Or even if you have the man in the household, it seems logical to say, oh, the more money we have, the more opportunities we can provide our child.
	Hence why women would also be interested in the field as well or try to balance both as much as possible.
	Okay, for example, my example.
	I didn't have the male, right?
	My child is my full responsibility.
	Nobody helps me.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	I had to go out and work and take the male position and go out and work, you know?
	But I got to a point where I wanted to stay at home with my daughter, but I still want the best for my daughter.
	I want the best life for my daughter.
	I want the, I don't know the word that starts with N, what'd you say?
	Nurture resources?
	Nurture.
	Something like that.
	So I decided to find a way, but from home, to be with my child.
	You know?
	But there's always a solution.
	Exactly.
	So it seems like women would try to maximize both as much as possible, not just be nurture-only.
	Because it's a false dichotomy.
	Of course they would try to.
	But everything trickles down to the most important thing for a mother would be to nurture the child.
	Some of these could be kind of like logical decisions as far as I'm concerned.
	Okay, let me...
	Let me address the false dichotomy of resources that you're stating.
	Here's the reality.
	Women on average typically want a man that makes about 56% more money than they do.
	Women prefer the man to be in a breadwinner position if possible.
	Now, are there situations where the woman is the breadwinner and the man stays at home?
	Yes, but we've seen these marriages fail and these relationships fail overwhelmingly.
	When a man is in a breadwinner position, that almost inevitably puts him in a leadership role, which is women tend to find attractive.
	Women, if left to their own devices, would prefer a man to be in a breadwinner slash leadership role in the relationship.
	Now, does that mean that there are girls out there that are okay with providing resources and have the guy be behind the scenes?
	Or maybe they both provide resources, for sure.
	But in general, if I lined up 100 women and I said, would you prefer to be the breadwinner or would you prefer your man to be the breadwinner and he can only be the breadwinner and you can stay at home?
	Most women, especially if they have small children at home, would overwhelmingly prefer the man be the breadwinner.
	So I get what you're saying when it comes to providing resources, etc.
	Let me be specific.
	The man needs to provide financial resources to allow the family and the woman to live and hopefully thrive.
	This is why women look at earnings so much more than men do.
	When a man meets a woman, he doesn't necessarily care too much about her earning capacity.
	Whereas when a woman meets a man, however, she cares a lot about his earning capacity.
	And it boils down to what I just said before.
	If we were to have children, can you support me and a child?
	Can I offer...
	Sure, go ahead.
	Okay, so I want to just offer...
	I'm not saying anything you said is wrong, by the way.
	I just want to offer also another alternative way to think about this.
	A really big reason why women care so much about the amount of money men make goes back to the fact that, oh, women, even if they made the same amount of men, most of the time, I think over 50, 60, whatever percent of the time, are expected to take care of the household chores as well.
	So if a woman and man are making around the same amount of money and then they go back home, well, she's still expected to do the majority of the labor.
	She's still expected to clean, do the laundry, wipe the house, everything.
	And this is why so many women leave the workforce.
	It goes back to what she was saying.
	This is why so many women leave the workforce because they understand that I can't do all of this, so I'm going to have to concede to some point.
	So I'm going to have to focus more on the children.
	So they leave the workforce, and who takes the L there?
	Well, the employer, because now I spent this money to train this woman up.
	She went up and climbed the ranks.
	She had a powerful position.
	Now she's leaving to go back to her child, which again, the employer is within their right to be like, okay, statistically speaking, this woman might be a liability for us, right?
	In the future, say this might be a reason why they hire a man over a woman.
	So it's a very logically sound and decisive decision to make for the betterment of the company.
	But what I'm saying is that companies will still hire women knowing that this is This is a potential of what may happen with them as far as their employee.
	Yeah, no.
	The point that I'm trying to illustrate here is that you're saying, oh, women are more inclined to find a man that earns more, et cetera, et cetera, because that's within their nature.
	And what I'm trying to say here is that another reason why women are inclined to look for men who earn more is because if they're going to be socially pressured into these roles anyways, well, fuck, I don't want to make the majority of money and do the majority of housework.
	That's just very uneven to me.
	And most governments in most countries, like in the United States, we don't have the civic infrastructure to support women making alternative choices.
	So when you have a child in a marriage, somebody has to take care of that child.
	Most often, the responsibility falls towards the women.
	And a lot of times...
	You guys are quite literally augmenting my argument even more.
	You haven't refuted it whatsoever.
	The point that I'm trying to build upon it, because I think it's a solid argument.
	Okay, so what's the point?
	If we agree, then I don't know why we're...
	But if we're agreeing...
	Let me...
	There will come a disagreement.
	Hold on.
	Let me give you my thoughts.
	So, the civic infrastructure necessary to enable women to stop being the ones who are solely assumed to be the primary caretakers in their home for children and for domestic labor would be like paid paternity leave.
	You know, that would take the burden off of the employers of any private company to have to pay an employee, a female employee who takes maternity leave.
	That burden is then shifted to taxpayers, to the state, absorbed by everybody else.
	And there's a net positive benefit to that because you want So long as children are cared for and looked after, I feel like that's in everybody's benefit within a society.
	It doesn't necessarily have to be the mom.
	It could be the father.
	But usually is the mom, given the social circumstances that we find ourselves today.
	But would you be open to men staying home and raising children if they had the option to...
	That sounds great on paper, but women don't allow that.
	Why do you think we get child support and why do you think we get tax benefits and so many benefits as single mothers?
	We, I'm going to dispute that heavily.
	That's not entirely true.
	The reason why, listen, it doesn't matter what I personally think.
	The reality is, is when the woman is in a breadwinner position, divorces go up, relationships fail, it doesn't work.
	It sounds great on paper, and this is the problem with, no offense to you ladies, you guys are very leftist and liberal in your views, which is fantastic, because I wish the world operated the way that you guys think it should, and ideally.
	But I don't operate on ideal.
	I operate on what's real.
	Women don't respect and they don't take men seriously.
	They earn less money than they do on a balance of probabilities.
	Most women want to be with a man that earns significantly more than they do, about 56% to be exact.
	And that is how relationships typically stand together and marriages stay strong is when the man is in a breadwinner position with the woman.
	And hey, I wish it was.
	I'd be open to more guys staying at home, but it doesn't work.
	Women don't like that.
	Myra raised an interesting point there, which is, is this expectation, let's say, for women to do the child-rearing and to be at home, is that a societal expectation, or is it in fact an innate sort of expectation that exists between men and women anyway?
	And I would argue it's a societal expectation.
	But don't you think now that kind of everything's up for grabs?
	Because I don't think anybody in mainstream society would say a man shouldn't stay at home and look after the kids.
	I think now anybody can really design their lifestyle as they want to.
	I don't believe there's any societal expectation against it now.
	So therefore, what's the problem?
	The question I want to ask actually the panel is...
	When do you think...
	Because we've talked about how women were disadvantaged in the past in various different ways.
	And now it seems to me, as Myron said, we've reached a point where actually, if anything, there's been a bit of an overcorrection.
	So when do you think...
	The correction should cease.
	We should all just say, okay, right, it's fine.
	Everyone can just do what they want.
	Does that make sense?
	I kind of understand where you're coming from.
	I think there's two things to take into consideration.
	The reason why I kept talking about before, about, oh, you know, women are expected to make more like the domestic house chores, etc., etc., is because when you talk about, oh, men having to earn higher, well, if they earn the same amount or less, the woman is still doing more work at the house and outside of the house.
	So that's why women are looking towards people who earn more, because that way it's a little bit more even.
	Are you saying, okay, now there's less societal expectation, men can go and stay at the house, etc., etc.?
	Yes, change takes a little bit of time.
	I think that is changing.
	But it's also important to note that a lot of men were not raised with these skills.
	Their mothers did not teach them how to do laundry, how to wash the dishes, how to clean the house.
	I don't want to blame women, but yeah, it's kind of women's fault as well.
	This is the social construct argument.
	Listen, I wasn't taught to wash dishes.
	I wasn't taught to cook.
	My mom didn't cook me shit.
	I had to figure it out.
	I got kicked out.
	Who taught your mom, though?
	Huh?
	Who taught your mom?
	My mom don't cook.
	My mom wouldn't even feed me.
	I started working since I was 14.
	There has to come a point in your life?
	No, my father ain't in the picture.
	You know how I... Shut the fuck up.
	There has to come a point in your adult life where you start parenting yourself.
	Let me finish.
	I agree.
	Let me finish.
	I'll let y'all finish.
	Seriously.
	You know how I started?
	I learned when I had my child.
	And when I moved in with my ex, the baby daddy.
	I had to figure it out.
	You know why?
	Because reality hit.
	You had a kid.
	But the leftist ideology is when you don't have kids, when you're young, when you're in college protesting, and then you start creating everything as a social construct and you ignore what reality is.
	That's when you could ignore biology.
	That's when leftists start saying that gender...
	But I'm seeing the parallels, like the she-they thing, that you're saying gender is a social construct, these ideas and these expectations are a social construct, race is a social construct.
	The reality is race is real, gender is real, and biology is real.
	All of these expectations exist for a reason, not because some men just created this, it's because this is where we fall in line.
	It's not a societal expectation because someone just wrote up these rules and decided to persecute women.
	These existed because of biology.
	Wait, I have a question.
	Do you not think it's biological, like men are not biologically capable of doing household chores?
	No, I think they are.
	Anybody can.
	Here's the thing.
	I got this.
	I got this right now.
	Because here's the thing you fail to understand, ladies.
	Men are capable.
	Women are capable.
	But the problem is what's optimal, okay?
	That's what you guys keep forgetting.
	Just because someone is capable of something does not mean that they're optimal at doing something.
	The way things optimally work is men stay at home, Sorry, women stay at home, men go work.
	That's how the United States was built.
	If you look at any first world country, it was built on a nuclear family.
	How's a nuclear family built?
	Man goes to work, he creates resources, excess resources for him and his family, comes back, gives the money to the wife and the children, We're good to go.
	Was built on men going to work, creating resources to be able to get a wife, getting a wife, and creating a nuclear family.
	That is how society was built.
	That the nuclear family is a relatively recent conception, like the 1950s.
	No, it's been around forever.
	It's been around forever.
	I'm just saying that's when it thrives.
	I'm talking about the United States.
	In particular.
	Any society.
	Agrarian families were the way the family units were structured.
	Women would have 13 to 20 children in their life.
	Yeah.
	Very regularly.
	That does not resemble a nuclear family, right?
	Okay.
	You're missing the point.
	The point I'm trying...
	I use the nuclear family as simply an example for the United States in this example.
	What I'm saying in general, the world was built...
	Optimally, and we were able to progress as a species by men going to work, hunting and gathering, while women stayed at home and took care of the home.
	So, I'm not saying men aren't capable of doing it, but what I'm saying is that to operate optimally, men go work, women stay at home.
	That's how it's been forever.
	Okay, but Ms.
	Scientist, Ms.
	Biology, according to scientific facts, right?
	Scientific facts.
	Fact.
	By nature, do you know what nesting is?
	If you guys studied maternity, because this is part of science.
	Okay.
	Something called nesting, which is a fact.
	By natural, when we're about to give birth, we naturally start preparing the house, cleaning.
	By natural.
	It's an instinct as a human being.
	If we have that instinct, naturally, biologically, then obviously...
	By nature, we're supposed to be...
	And it's funny that you realize that after becoming a mother, because this is the reality of modern feminists and leftists, is they run around saying all this stuff after they leave college, a woke indoctrination camp, and they make all these idealistic expectations about this is how it should be.
	And you were like that, too, until you had a kid and you realized, this is how I'm hardwired.
	But this is why there's more people not having kids.
	This is why there's less marriages.
	This is why everything is crumbling and the nuclear family is a thing of the past.
	I mean, you're not wrong, though, like...
	Sorry, Troy, you were trying to say something, then I'll turn it back to the girls.
	Well, here's the thing, right?
	Because as I said, I reckon all bets are off.
	So I reckon in 2023, any couple could get together in Miami or London or anywhere else and they could agree between them, right, the guy's going to stay at home and the woman's going to go to work.
	And that will be absolutely fine.
	There's no societal pressure against that.
	But imagine if you're a guy and you write on your Tinder profile or whatever, yeah, I want to be a stay-at-home dad and I just want you to go out for work and I'll look after him.
	She laughs.
	Like how successful is that profile going to be?
	Probably not very successful, I think.
	And the reason for that is not because of societal pressure.
	It's because women don't find that archetype attractive, okay?
	Which suggests to me that this is in some way innate.
	Yeah.
	Having a preference towards it is different than a biological reality, right?
	You're talking about social preferences.
	Well, no.
	If a guy wrote on his profile, what I'm looking for is, I want to be a stay-at-home dad, and you earn the money, and I'm just going to sit at home and look after the kids.
	How attractive is that going to be in general?
	Do you think anybody who's putting that on their Tinder profile is going to attract a mate?
	Like, I just want to be a stay-at-home mom.
	If you put that, I'm swiping right.
	Hell yeah.
	If you put that same bio, I want to stay at home, I want to raise kids, I like cooking and cleaning and doing laundry, swipe right.
	I'm going to mooch off of my partner or whatever.
	It's a hypothetical example, of course, but the point remains that Would most women in general find that proposition to be attractive?
	Is that what they're looking for in a man?
	I understand what you're saying.
	Yeah.
	I think the problem is that women don't have any faith when men say they're going to do that shit.
	When men say, oh, I'm going to take home.
	Honestly?
	I'm going to clean.
	I'm going to do laundry.
	Women don't believe them.
	Women believe that, oh no, you know what's going to happen?
	I'm going to have to do that.
	Because historically, men don't know how to do chores because they weren't taught to.
	Would women viscerally find that attractive?
	Would they find that viscerally arousing?
	The guys saying, yeah, I'm just going to sit at home and watch daytime TV and look after the kids.
	No.
	If a guy said, oh, I want to be a good father, I want to focus on raising my children, and, like, you know, I'd be willing to, like, do the housework to be able to be a good father, I would find that attractive.
	Okay, everybody's different.
	But anyways, it doesn't matter.
	Perhaps not, but, like, I can think of a ton of female archetypes now that would find that arrangement to be preferable.
	So if you're a woman who's, you've worked your ass off to go through, you know, four years of college, you get your JD, you become a lawyer, and you are only looking to move up within your field.
	But you also want to have a family, and you want somebody there to care for your children.
	The recipe is Kevin Samuels.
	This is exactly what happens.
	This is the rise of the childhood family.
	Extremely appealing to the women.
	Why are there no male action heroes you sit at home and look after the kids there?
	Why does James Bond not say, right, I'm going to put my feet up and look after the kids?
	Because that's not an archetype in general that women find to be viscerally attractive.
	And this is the point.
	Well, you're talking about, you know, standards that appeal to men, right?
	I would say that, like, most action films are geared towards the male.
	How many women watched this film?
	All right, ladies, ladies, ladies.
	This is incredible.
	Hold on.
	Woo!
	You guys are just arguing and arguing.
	This is like a ludicrous argument.
	Like, are we seriously sitting here arguing that women don't prefer men that are the breadwinners and leaders and providers?
	Like, here's the thing that he's trying to say.
	If a man puts on his profile, I want to raise my kids and stay at home, etc., he will get far less matches than a woman that did the same.
	Why is that?
	Because men don't give a shit about a woman's ability to provision.
	However, women care a lot about a man's ability to provision.
	Now, what you said before, if a woman wants to go in and climb the ranks and make money, etc., that sounds great on paper, but guess what happens when women make more money and go up the social status?
	They want a man on their level, if not better.
	So as women make more money and get more status, they want a guy equal, if not preferably better.
	So women become victims of their success most of the time.
	And this is why career women chronically stay single because they can't find a guy on their level that fulfills their hypergamous need to be with a man that is better than them.
	Women want a man who's superior to them in almost every way.
	And that's fine.
	It's a biological difference.
	So I know what you're saying.
	Well, you know, guys don't want to do chores.
	Or if a guy didn't want to do chores, I'd be attracted to that.
	The reality is, for most women, that is at the bottom of the list.
	If they were the guy that's capable, they want a man that could provide chores and staying at home with the child is irrelevant to most women.
	Exactly, to most women.
	If you like a scrub, okay, you like a scrub.
	But that's leftist.
	These are feminist women who just run around from college.
	But it's just, he's talking about the majority and it's a fact.
	And don't be talking no more about children if you haven't had children.
	Well, I can only speak to educators because I'm trying to demonstrate how these social values are slowly going to time.
	I don't care what you start going down all about maternity.
	Don't talk about it overnight.
	But I think that's really important.
	Like what you said is absolutely true.
	If a man put in his Tinder bio, I'm looking to be a stay-at-home father.
	Yeah, I don't think that that's going to attract or entice most women.
	But slowly, if we encourage these social changes, where women are empowered to enter the ranks of- You know what?
	I love that you brought this up.
	I'm writing a book on this.
	All these social changes that you're talking about, women are more empowered, they make more money, they're more successful, more educated than ever before.
	Guess what happened to relationships?
	Okay?
	Relationships are in the toilet.
	Women are less happy now than they've ever been, and they're more empowered than they've ever been.
	It's been going down since the 1970s that women-approved ratings of happiness has gone down, while anti-depression medication, et cetera, has gone up.
	Also, relationships are in the shitter.
	Divorce rates are high.
	Women initiate 80% of divorces.
	And women are earning men in a lot of cities.
	A lot of women are having tough times dating and finding eligible bachelors.
	As a matter of fact, there was an article that came out earlier this year that said there's not economically attractive men.
	There's not enough for them to go around.
	Why is that?
	Because women care a lot about a man's finances versus men don't care about a woman's finances.
	So I get what you're saying.
	It should be a woman can go to work, have a guy at home.
	He takes care of the chores.
	It's not an issue.
	The problem is this.
	Most women don't think like you guys.
	They want a man who's superior to them, not equal.
	Yeah, and that's the thing.
	What really interests me is whether this is, because you're arguing this is a societal thing.
	This is systemic.
	Absolutely.
	Systemic imbalance within society.
	What I'm proposing, because of the fake, you know, the Tinder hypothetical, is that actually this isn't societal.
	This is about what women desire and what they reward.
	It's biological.
	Even those preferences are social, right?
	What?
	What?
	this is some no no no no no no wait no this is just factual and I'll prove Go ahead, go ahead.
	Literally, think about the Renaissance.
	Think about the 1500s.
	What was considered the optimal form of a woman?
	It was a fat woman.
	Literally.
	Fertility.
	That was for fertility.
	So you brought up Renaissance?
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	You brought up Renaissance.
	Let her finish her point.
	Let her finish her point.
	Go ahead.
	You can say it was about fertility, but it was not just fertility.
	It was like, okay, fat women because it was a sign of wealth.
	It was a sign of prosperous, right?
	We had a period in time where being pale was seen as, oh, a beauty standard.
	And then once more people started working indoor jobs, then it became, oh, being tan is the new hot thing.
	So you can't tell me that preferences aren't influenced by society because we have multiple examples.
	I'll answer that right now.
	Okay, but you know what?
	I love that you mentioned that.
	Oh, well, it's a sign of this and a sign of that, but preferences change by what men like.
	But what has stood the test of time since the beginning of human time?
	The male physique.
	The male physique, that's one.
	What's found as attractive?
	What has been universally found as attractive by women since the beginning of time between men and women relationships?
	Oh, I know what you're going to say, but it applies to men as well.
	No, it doesn't.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	You don't think men are attracted to wealth?
	Listen, men don't have the same innate need for resources and security that women do.
	And the reason for that is because a man can go out and bite a lion or a tiger, hunt it down, kill it, and eat it.
	A woman...
	Can't.
	And she especially can't when she has a child.
	A woman by herself cannot gather enough calories to feed herself and her child.
	Especially when she's pregnant and she's more vulnerable.
	So since the beginning of time, women have needed males to go out there, hunt, and gather resources and calories.
	It's only in this clown world new times that we have that women think that they can actually do things on their own.
	Which, you know what?
	That's fine.
	It's fantastic.
	But guess what?
	You're a slave to your biology.
	You still want a man that can provide and capable of providing, even if you make your own money.
	This is why women that make their own money make $100,000 Still want a guy that makes about $156,000 per year.
	So what I'm saying is, you're saying, well, attraction trends change or whatever, but the one trend that has not changed at the beginning of time is women have always been attracted to men that have resources, money, and status.
	That is why Genghis Khan owns all of Asia and people walk around and there's a percentage of a bunch of Asians that have his DNA. This is why people...
	Damn, okay.
	This is why, right, women have always shared one high-value guy.
	Like, women are okay with sharing men because that's how important resources are.
	Are they interested in those qualities in and of themselves or what they can understand they enable and the results that they can enable for their children?
	Like, if you're saying that women have this maternal instinct to take care of their children.
	Yeah.
	You're incentivized to prioritize these qualities in men because right now the social paradigms that exist lead to incentives that help women care for their children.
	So those charismatic men, strong men, make them more inclined to be higher earners.
	But women would just as soon adopt lots of different strategies and drop traditionally masculine tendencies in men and become attracted to whatever they believed would help secure resources for their child.
	And that can look a lot of different ways, don't you agree?
	Listen, it doesn't look like a soy boy pussy faggot.
	It doesn't look like it.
	It looks like a tall guy that's toxically masculine, etc.
	Elon Musk is not like the bastion of masculinity, in my opinion.
	He's kind of short.
	But what does he have?
	Hold on.
	He has status and money.
	What did I say in the beginning?
	Status and money has always been...
	Women will always value strength and physique and stuff like that.
	You're introducing it like...
	We're providing examples that show that that's not always...
	If there's one baseline, one thing that women care about the most, it is by far status and security.
	It's been that way since the beginning of time.
	That's why kings have had hordes of women.
	Elon Musk, even though he's not the most attractive, what does he have?
	Status and money.
	That's extremely important to women when it comes to attraction.
	So what I'm saying is that you're saying, trends change, blah, blah, blah.
	The one trend that has not changed at the beginning of time is women have always been attracted to status and money, looks, physique, etc.
	come after the fact, but they're attracted to that.
	So I know what you guys are saying.
	Yo, Will, it shouldn't be this way.
	We should be able to be equal.
	You do some chores.
	I do some chores, etc.
	Hold on, let me finish.
	Let him finish.
	Look, look, look, look.
	You can't Fight hardwired attraction traits.
	I know you guys are trying really hard this podcast to do it, but you can't.
	You want to change the social constructs.
	You guys are labeling hardwired attraction triggers as social constructs.
	That's ludicrous.
	May I please finish?
	Interestingly as well.
	Wait, okay, Myron.
	I just want to say...
	Can I just quote something from a Renaissance painting from a Renaissance artist, Leonardo da Vinci, and the quote's not exactly correct, it's not verbatim, but y'all can look it up.
	Her fat arc and full bosom was the firm sign of her ripe fertility.
	That's just the matriarch of all the Renaissance paintings and why the women were slightly thicker than natural.
	It was a form of fertility.
	You're not going to debate me on Renaissance, but yeah.
	It's fertility.
	It was about fertility because women were seen as fertility since the dawn of time, just like the Sumerians, which was the first civilization, our first dated civilization.
	Women were the heart.
	Men are the head.
	Men are the head because of logic.
	Women were the heart because of emotion.
	And then the children were the womb, which is also interconnected through women.
	Men lead, women follow.
	Women were literally just the fertility, alright?
	They were protected.
	The men were the ones that went on the hunt.
	And that's how the whole story of the Anunnaki designed humanity is men would lead, men would fight, men would be the warriors, women would be the kept trophies in that sense.
	And that's how it's set up.
	But hey, you can grow with somebody.
	We're not telling you, oh, you got to be with somebody who makes more than you.
	No.
	You can grow with somebody and you can build an empire with somebody.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	I'm sorry, I got one more.
	And then we go back to, what's it called, when they would fight in the fucking cathedral.
	Women would choose the strongest warrior.
	This is known, like, even in the Renaissance, this was so fucking common.
	And in the Greek days, in Athens, like, let's go, bro.
	The men would fight, the woman would choose the strongest man, and they would fight to their death.
	Well, interestingly, the standards for male beauty, standards for male physique have remained very consistent over the years.
	You just have to look at our ancient Greek statues.
	You'll see the V taper, the broad shoulders, the abs, all the rest of it.
	It hasn't really changed.
	Okay.
	You were trying to say something as far as...
	My argument, just to boil it down, and I think their argument is as well, is that there's hardwired traits that women look for in men, and it's not necessarily...
	You guys are arguing that it's more of like a societal construct.
	We're arguing, no, it's a biological construct that you can't necessarily debate.
	And though you guys are able to I guess, rationally say in your heads, well, I would like a guy that's like this.
	The overwhelming majority of women would disagree with you guys.
	I'm not trying to speak to my personal preferences and project them onto other people.
	I'm just trying to look at alternate explanations as to why it's been possible for these standards to change for women.
	So are you making an argument that you don't even necessarily believe in?
	What?
	Are you making an argument that you don't even necessarily believe in or subscribe to for yourself?
	No, I mean, we're not even talking about my personal beliefs.
	I'm just trying to say descriptive realities here.
	She's illustrating more than one reason.
	You're theorizing as to why women might like certain traits in men and saying that it's a social construct.
	My argument is that it's not a social construct.
	It's a biological construct.
	I'm not hypothesizing, but like what we were saying with fertility, like at one point, the image of fertility for a woman was somebody who was slightly more overweight, chubby, Rubenesque.
	And now, what's more desirable?
	A chubby woman or a woman who has abs potentially and is like a lot more fit, right?
	Yeah.
	You also gotta remember that what females are attracted to Men are attracted to anything like you're like we can't conflate what men are attracted to versus what women are attracted to.
	We're talking specifically about what women want.
	The argument is is that what women want is It's fairly regimented, right?
	And it's been, since the beginning of time, status and money has been important, which is why I'm making the argument, if a woman has left her own devices, she's almost always going to want a man that can provide security.
	And status and income are good indicators of that.
	Everything else falls in line.
	Right, but I'm saying that like...
	But fashion and beauty standards, it's all targeted towards women.
	We're the only consumers.
	Men don't give a fuck whether you're fat, ugly, got a crooked nose, or don't.
	Pussy is pussy, and that's been the latest.
	But I'm curious.
	I'm sorry, I just want to finish.
	So basically, you're talking about how the beauty standards went from women looking fat for fertility and now they got BBLs and shit like that, right?
	That's us.
	That's us.
	That's not about men.
	That's not about what men like.
	Men are going to smash no matter what you look like.
	You can look like Greta Thunberg and you're still going to get smashed at the end of the fucking day.
	I would not say that for all men.
	most men okay we're not talking about them we're not talking about the like baby baby right now this podcast what we're speaking about is the general role the general population We're not talking about the exception.
	I understand that completely.
	If I was a man, I wouldn't fuck Greta Thunberg, but it doesn't matter.
	He would, and he wouldn't.
	Now, back to what I'm saying.
	The beauty, like the whole fashion industry and all the beauty stuff is targeted towards us because we, as women, we're our worst enemy.
	We judge each other.
	The men don't give a fuck.
	They don't.
	We're the consumers.
	Makeup, all of that.
	Niggas don't give a fuck whether you've got makeup on or not.
	In fact, they usually prefer you not to have makeup.
	Lashes, originally cumbrellas, by the way, for semen.
	No, they don't care about that.
	We wear that because we're like, oh girl, your lashes look so good.
	Oh, mine are longer.
	That's not for that.
	Can I bring something up?
	Sure.
	Well, are we done with this topic before we move on to something else?
	It's about women.
	The argument was simply, we're saying attraction is not necessarily a choice or a social contract like you guys are trying to argue.
	No, I don't even disagree with you.
	That's a problem.
	When you're saying, oh, there's these biological imperatives to be attracted to someone, I'm not even disagreeing with you.
	I just think that it's not 100% relegated to just what women want.
	So, for example, men...
	Can I finish?
	Please don't make the faces.
	Let me see what I was saying.
	It's fine.
	I'll...
	I know.
	Continue.
	Well...
	I know this for a fact because historically speaking, marriage, right?
	Men, even like marrying other women, were women of wealthy families, right?
	So we're talking about, oh, arranged marriages to accumulate more wealth.
	So you can't tell me that, oh, men aren't attracted to, maybe they don't want them in modern society to out-earn them, but maybe a woman who is making a shit ton of money is more attractive than a woman who makes almost like no money if they're both working.
	So that's just an easy example, right?
	Um...
	The point that I'm trying to illustrate here is that people in general, men and women, want stability in relationships.
	Like, are you really telling me that you want a girl, like the girls that were here earlier, right?
	Screaming around, like very angry, upset, just like throwing shit around in a relationship?
	It doesn't seem that most people want that.
	Most people want stability.
	Most people want to be wealthy.
	So to be like, oh no, this is only something women want, doesn't Well, I don't think men find wealth in women viscerally attractive.
	Again, it comes back to this visceral attraction thing.
	And actually, if you read Dickens or Shakespeare, there's plenty of stories where there was an arranged marriage that was going to take place.
	And the guys actually, no, no, I fancy, I actually really fancy the serving girl down the road and he wants to have an affair with her because he's not viscerally aroused by the woman who's wealthy.
	We're only talking about preferences, right?
	I'm also interested in how outcomes factor into this because the reality is that rich people are going to marry other rich people.
	Middle class people are going to marry other middle class people and lower income people.
	You are going to marry other low-income people.
	That's just who you're around.
	This is a fact.
	Like, the vast majority of people do marry within their income bracket.
	No, I dispute that men don't have these socioeconomic barriers like you guys are trying to say.
	A rich man will gladly take a woman that's poor and make her rich versus a rich woman will almost never take a poor man and make him rich.
	They probably would.
	But do you think that, like...
	The vast majority...
	Well, why your confusion?
	You seem confused.
	Because men don't marry and get with women to look for a provision or a security like women do for men.
	Like, this is crazy to me that you guys...
	This is ludicrous.
	This is not mental gymnastics.
	It is literally factual that people marry within their income bracket.
	Most people don't want to marry down.
	Are there some men who want to marry somebody who's hot but poor?
	Sure, but the vast majority of people marry within their income bracket.
	We can Google this right now.
	Here's the thing, ladies.
	You guys are missing the point.
	You guys do realize that men don't put as much stake in a woman's ability to earn money as women put in a man's ability to earn money, right?
	Can we agree on that?
	So therefore, A man, right, knows I have to be the resource creator to a degree.
	And I would argue the more money a man has, the less he cares about a woman's income.
	The more he's more concerned with more, is she attractive?
	Is she fertile?
	Is she going to be a good wife?
	The type of women that he's going to find himself in the company in anyway are probably going to be women of a similar socioeconomic background.
	Are men always complaining about being afraid of getting golded?
	That's a common trope.
	They're constantly saying, oh, no, I don't want a gold digger.
	I don't want a gold digger.
	She's just after my money.
	So a lot of men, that is a fear.
	There is a screening process here.
	There is even more of an incentive to marry within your income bracket if you're afraid of finding a gold digger.
	You guys are looking.
	I've realized what's going on here.
	You guys are looking through the lens, Like, you guys are looking at the dating market?
	Well, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	Let me rephrase.
	Let me rephrase.
	You guys are looking at the dating market through a female lens.
	So for you guys, you guys think income and status, et cetera, is important.
	So a guy would want that.
	Let me tell y'all, attraction is not symmetrical.
	It's asymmetrical.
	The things that you guys look for, security, provisioning, height, income, the ability to provide and protect, et cetera.
	That's what y'all want.
	We want youth, beauty, fertility, chastity, not being a whore, not going to embarrass me.
	Those are far different things.
	So guess what?
	Provisioning and security is really nowhere in there for a guy.
	Here's the thing.
	If I have a kingdom and I marry you and you're a dishwasher, you become the queen.
	If you're a queen and you marry me, I'm the queen's bitch.
	I'm a dishwasher.
	You can't bring me up, but I can bring you up.
	I'm asking you, how often does that happen?
	Because obviously what y'all are trying to illustrate is that a rich man is not going to be scrutinizing the economic background of his potential mistresses and wives, correct?
	You're saying it's irrelevant.
	Not to the same degree a woman will.
	I'll give you that any day of the week.
	It's probably true.
	But I'm saying you're discounting the degree to which Like, they disregard it at all.
	Or, like, I'm just curious what circumstances would attractive but poor women be interacting with, like, very wealthy men?
	The most wealthy women in the world.
	You do realize?
	The most wealthy women in the world.
	Almost all of them got their wealth through divorce or inheritance.
	That was created by who?
	Men.
	Their male counterparts.
	But I'm kind of confused.
	If that doesn't prove that men will marry down significantly, I don't know what else will.
	No, no, no.
	I don't know enough about the Bezos' to know their economic backgrounds prior to when they got married and whatnot.
	But if I had to guess, Jeff Bezos and what's his name?
	Mackenzie Bezos.
	Mack Prior to their marriage, and when they first got married, were already from very similar...
	What is a concrete argument that you guys are trying to argue about?
	I get what they're saying, because wealthy people are around wealthy people.
	That's not why she was attractive, just because they're in the same space.
	Jeff Bezos didn't marry Mackenzie because she was from a wealthy background.
	She was just around.
	Mackenzie married Jeff because he was a fucking man.
	She married him way before Amazon was even a pipe dream.
	She knew he was going to be the man.
	She saw the potential.
	I don't think every rich woman who marries a rich man is just, oh, because of the potential, as much as it is, oh, because we're on the same level.
	What's attractive is wealth and stability.
	No disagreement there.
	And his ambition, too.
	Ambition is not attractive in a woman.
	I don't care about your degrees.
	I can't speak for Mackenzie and Jeff's personal relationship.
	There's other ways to demonstrate ambition besides just educational attainment, right?
	Sure, but it doesn't matter.
	Ambition of making a sandwich is attractive to me.
	- Yeah.
	- I mean, you're applying it to domestic work.
	That's my point.
	- Scrug that mayonnaise! - You can find it.
	- It's a dedication in your mouth. - And what you're trying to say is a masculine characteristic.
	You already demonstrated a way it can be applied towards things that you do find attractive.
	So if a woman is ambitiously, you know, cooking dinner for you.
	Ambitious career wise is not attractive.
	Like we don't care what career you guys want to do.
	It does.
	It makes no difference.
	Yeah, I think you guys are just being contrarians.
	I'm trying to figure out what the argument is here.
	It's a societal construct.
	Okay, so what is your argument concretely?
	Because I think we've debunked already that attraction is a societal construct.
	From the female perspective, I would say it's fairly hardwired in biology from a security needs standpoint.
	And we've established that several times here.
	But what else?
	Okay, I feel like we're just going to circles.
	so I'll just try to summarize as best as I take.
	You think?
	Yeah, y'all were going to circle.
	What is the week?
	She just means to be so good, primarily to participating in this.
	Some of us are headaches, man.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, because you guys are enjoying it.
	It's good to be.
	Is it for you?
	Here's the thing.
	I mean, you're not having a party.
	No, no.
	I don't have a headache.
	I'm having fun, like, learning from y'all.
	I wouldn't get married to that.
	That's fine.
	Like, you can have your, you know, individual preferences and stuff like that.
	I think sometimes you guys make, like, these huge extrapolations from, like, you know, broad statistical averages and, like, understanding social preferences or your own preferences and necessarily assume that they must be...
	All I'm simply saying is that what women are attracted to is typically hardwired in biology and a majority of women share the same preferences and wants in men because it's hardwired in their biology.
	It's very simple.
	The things we've stated are fairly universal as far as what women are attracted to in men.
	Yeah, exactly.
	What's the point you're trying to make?
	Go ahead.
	Which I guess we're going to just end up agreeing to disagree, but whatever.
	Is that there is these traits, stability, wealth, that everybody wants.
	Everybody wants to be rich.
	Everybody wants to be stable.
	That's not true.
	The vast majority, just because one person doesn't want to, doesn't mean the fact that the vast majority want that stuff.
	So when you say like, oh no, this is just what women want.
	This is just what women want.
	It seems like it's very short-sighted because this is, everybody wants that.
	Everybody wants to be rich.
	Everybody wants to be stable.
	I think the key though is that men are not looking to become rich and stable by marrying a woman.
	We want to go get it.
	Would you rather...
	We could ask the panel.
	All the women, I already know the answer.
	They would rather get married to a rich man than become rich to themselves.
	Except for the feminists.
	The feminists, you just want to be men.
	Real bad.
	Every other girl here is like, yeah, I would rather marry the rich guy, right?
	Absolutely.
	Would you marry the rich guy?
	She's correct when she says that humans want to be stable and wealthy.
	Agreed.
	We get it through different ways.
	What?
	We prefer to get it in different ways.
	Women would prefer to get it through a man.
	A man would prefer to get it through himself and then share it with a woman.
	Here's the difference between a man and a woman.
	When a man makes money and becomes in a certain position, he says, wow, I can get a woman and a child to be dependent upon me.
	When a woman makes money, excess resources.
	She says, I'm independent of a man.
	We are very different in how we move when we make excess resources.
	You don't see men running around coming out with socks.
	All the independent women.
	All the independent men.
	All the single men.
	Men understand intrinsically when we make money, we have to be independent.
	But when women make it, I'm independent.
	You're demonstrating how at your discretion, you will make certain choices to make sure that that wealth is locked up at the end of the day in yours, right?
	Like, even though you want to use, like, a wealthy man, hypothetical, right?
	He marries somebody of a lower socioeconomic background, okay?
	He's not just going to share and bestow wealth upon this woman in the way that you're implying.
	He absolutely will.
	I think he will.
	You don't think he's gonna get a prenup?
	A prenuptial agreement?
	Do you guys know how many men don't get prenuptial agreements that have money?
	People in general are not getting prenups.
	I think everybody should sign if I'm a prenup.
	Men get destroyed by divorce in the West, and we could talk about this if y'all really want to, if you guys want to take an L, but the point is that men are far more willing to share their resources than women are.
	This is why women rarely marry men that make less money than them, unless that guy is on, like, maybe he's gonna be a doctor soon or whatever.
	Women aren't stupid when it comes to marrying like men are.
	So if you, okay, so you're speaking as a man, you're unmarried, right?
	Yes.
	Did you say of course?
	Of course.
	Marriage is a bad contract for men.
	It's a fucking scam in the West.
	But of the wealthy men who get married, you don't think that they have, if they have the resources to have mansions and all sorts of other luxuries in their life, you don't think they have an accountant and a lawyer telling them, dude, you gotta lock down your fucking resources.
	Why the fuck is Mackenzie Bezos the richest woman alive?
	Because men are idealistic.
	You're talking about like one person.
	The Kardashians, there's more.
	The Kardashians are...
	They got their money off of men.
	Literally one example.
	It's interesting how sugar dating has become such a big thing now.
	And the fundamental paradigm of sugar dating, yes, there will be exceptions, but in general, what is the fundamental paradigm?
	It is that younger, attractive women get together with guys who are older and they take care of the provisioning and there's that sort of value exchange.
	It's interesting that that's become such a big thing.
	And that suggests to me that actually this...
	The nature of that relationship is actually hardwired in human behavior.
	In every female and male courtship or whatever, the man is expected to pay for the date, the man is expected to pick her up, the man is expected to foot the bill, the man is expected to be the breadwinner in the household, like sugar dating, etc.
	In general, when a man deals with a woman, he is expected to shell out money versus a woman is never expected to shell out money.
	Is that what's happening?
	Because I thought y'all were saying that feminism has destroyed chivalry and all of these habits.
	Hold on, if that guy wants to get laid and actually be attractive, he better fucking pay.
	If I went on a date with a majority of women and I told her, let's split this thing, I'm not fucking, bro.
	And that's the reality.
	Maybe y'all are okay with 50-50.
	Most women are not.
	But do you know why historically that has been the demand?
	Like, do you know why historically women have been...
	Because women don't share resources with men in general.
	Or because women historically haven't been able to...
	Women have resources to share.
	That's the thing that we're trying to point out.
	They were legally not allowed to have jobs.
	Women have...
	The girls that we go on dates with, everyone goes, they have money.
	They still don't want to pay.
	As we said before, right?
	Like, first of all, societal changes...
	Why are women popping bottles in the club and inviting dudes?
	Okay.
	Historically, right?
	Change takes time.
	But on top of that, like, as we pointed out before, women and men tend to take the characteristics or follow the paths of the people they see ahead of them, right?
	So, as we explained with the Dana Scully effect earlier, women see, oh, Dana Scully, she's, like, super into, like, science, etc.
	I want to now pursue a career in that.
	There's a spike in women doing that.
	Similarly, when it comes to finding ways to make wealth, oh, hey, guess what?
	We see that a bunch of women are marrying rich men, whatever, whatever.
	That, for the longest time, was the only way women could get wealth.
	Okay, let's move on now.
	The quiet girls on the panel, do you want to pay for a guy on a date?
	Absolutely not.
	What do I need with you if I'm going to pay for you?
	The model?
	Would you like to pay for a guy on a date?
	I wouldn't like to.
	Okay, and you make your own money, correct?
	I do.
	Yeah, right.
	So why is that a societal construct or is it just something unattractive?
	You just want the guy to be able to provide for you.
	Yeah, and I have paid multiple times for men on dates and it doesn't feel like a date.
	Well, it's not a date.
	It's uncomfortable.
	It's uncomfortable.
	Have you guys?
	You?
	Yeah, they pay for dates and shit.
	They're trying to be men.
	I've never been on a date.
	So then why are you talking about dating?
	I got something very important to say.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	This is what I'm saying.
	They haven't lived it.
	They haven't lived it.
	Hey, have you guys dated a billionaire?
	Have you guys dated a billionaire?
	No.
	Have you guys built an empire with a brokey?
	Bro, I am 23.
	You guys haven't lived it.
	This is what I hear.
	The statistics, the studies, according to my calculation, bro, y'all not lived it.
	Now let me talk.
	Let me talk, because I lived it.
	I dated a billionaire.
	I respect you guys.
	You guys studied.
	You guys studied most of your life.
	I respect that.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Which billionaire did you date?
	Let me finish.
	Okay, keep going.
	Okay.
	Let me finish because I'm pissed.
	You guys have spent most of your...
	I respect it.
	I respect it.
	I wish I could have studied.
	But I just wasn't that type of person.
	Stupid.
	You know, I just wasn't that type of person.
	So I've lived a lot.
	I've dated a billionaire.
	And currently, I'm dating a little boy that I'm making money off of.
	So I've lived both.
	So let me finish.
	Or two weeks.
	You guys are mad that he's talking in general.
	But since you guys are females, you guys take it emotionally personal.
	Yep.
	Okay?
	I feel like you're the one right now who's being a little bit emotional.
	But you're still cutting her off.
	Can she speak?
	Y'all have been speaking for two fucking hours.
	If he tells me something I don't agree on, I'm like, ah, okay.
	I'm not gonna be like...
	Moving on.
	But the statistics...
	No.
	Moving on, that's how we talk.
	There's like the Matrix, right?
	Like the Matrix.
	There's the blue pill and the red pill for the females, okay?
	Okay.
	So you guys are the red, right?
	You guys want to be the bosses.
	It's fine.
	There's nothing wrong with building an empire with somebody, but he's going to be your bitch and you will not have respect for him.
	And he won't cheat.
	That's the pro.
	That's the pro because he's your bitch.
	He's not going to cheat.
	Good.
	Okay.
	Now we got what he's talking about.
	Most females prefer billionaires.
	But the cons is that you're going to have to share him.
	That's a fact.
	And you're going to be pretty much his slave.
	So it's your decision.
	And there's nothing wrong with that.
	Everybody, let me finish.
	Everybody's different.
	And he's just talking about in general.
	And you guys are taking it personal.
	He's talking in general.
	That's it.
	I want to make it.
	Oh wait, I want to make it.
	I wish I could have studied.
	Wouldn't you have ended up with a billionaire if the only thing that men, rich, poor, middle class, if all they give a fuck about is looks?
	I'm going to tell you why I wouldn't.
	I haven't ended up with a billionaire.
	Because honestly, y'all think it's easy.
	It's not.
	Like, yeah, like, I love it.
	Like, I would love to stay at home and not do shit.
	But you got to share him.
	Wait, did you reject him or did he reject you?
	No, I can be with whoever.
	And I'll show you the DMs.
	I got Neymar in my DMs.
	And I curve him.
	I can have whoever I want.
	No, I'm talking about the two billionaires.
	Did they reject you or did you reject them?
	But what does that matter?
	I rejected a...
	You rejected a billionaire?
	I have done it before.
	You rejected two billionaires.
	Yes.
	Why was it?
	Because he wanted to cheat?
	Okay, but why?
	Not even.
	If y'all are saying that women care about...
	Listen, I'm going to tell you something.
	Y'all talking about...
	Shut the fuck up!
	Money is not the only fucking thing.
	All right, ladies.
	You're right.
	Money isn't the only thing.
	That's exactly why I rejected a billionaire, because I'm a real-ass bitch.
	I'm not like these girls.
	Oh, my God.
	He was acting like a silly-ass dumbass, and he a billionaire, but he's silly to me.
	He's still a goofy.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Why was he silly to you?
	He was acting like I just didn't catch the vibe.
	But bitches stay there like acting, acting, acting like they like acting.
	What do you mean he didn't catch the vibe?
	Acting but just because he got money.
	What do you mean by he was kind of a pussy?
	Not a pussy, but he was just acting mad goofy.
	And also some of them are aggressive.
	Some of them treat you bad.
	Some of them have problems.
	And most of the times these men go through a lot.
	They go through a lot.
	So you have to be their emotional support.
	You have to be their psychologist.
	You got to be there for them.
	And that's a lot of energy.
	But you're saying, to keep it real, you'd literally rather be with a broke dude over a bitch.
	No, I'm not saying.
	At the moment, I'm experiencing something.
	I'm doing an experiment.
	A social experiment.
	Because I experience in life.
	Because I'm experiencing life.
	The fact that you're even willing to be with a guy who makes a lot less money, like a broke dude, right?
	Over a billionaire.
	Doesn't that speak to our point?
	How there are factors in relationships?
	If we put forward that, you'd say it was anecdotal.
	Because she's one individual.
	Do you want to talk about anecdotal?
	Can we talk about anecdotal?
	I dated three fucking We're good to go.
	Anecdotal experience-wise, I got...
	I'm calmed down.
	I'm good.
	Anecdotal experience-wise, I dated three bum-ass fuck niggas that were nobodies, had no money.
	I took care of everything.
	Why I'm not in a relationship with him?
	Question me on that.
	Why?
	Because he was a beta fucking male.
	They all were.
	And I got tired of it because as a woman, I want to be taken care of.
	I don't want to be the breadwinner.
	Because that's my biological...
	You said that you did it three times though.
	Yes, and I tried it three times.
	Three times and I failed.
	You think you're disagreeing, but you're actually two sides of the same feminist coin.
	Like she's saying she's a real ass bitch.
	It's a masculine attitude.
	So you're not really on a different side of the coin.
	You both were part of a feminist society that masculinizes women.
	And that's why they find it's harder to settle down.
	Even when the guy's a billionaire, they don't know how to detach their ego.
	Before this feminist nonsense, she would have settled down.
	So you're saying she should have been with a billionaire.
	That's what you're saying.
	She should have detached from her ego and been with a billionaire.
	It's harder because women are taught to be more masculine now like you.
	So now you're saying it's about socialization.
	I thought you were saying these biological urges trump everything.
	All right, ladies, ladies, let me take this one.
	So it's very simple, ladies.
	See, you guys are looking at this like one-sided.
	What you don't realize is that female attraction is extremely complex and it's a multivariate analysis.
	I agree with you.
	So, but...
	But if we're going to go on hierarchies of what women prioritize, I'm going to put status and money as number one.
	That gives you the ability to come in and at least start the interaction.
	Then she's going to look at, is he physically attractive?
	Height, physicality, etc.
	Okay, he meets my physical requirements.
	Now comes the charisma and the charm, which is where the billionaire probably failed with her.
	He wasn't attractive.
	When she says, I didn't catch a vibe with him, translation, he didn't charm me, he didn't woo me, he was boring, he was lame, he talked about stocks all day, and I didn't like that.
	So with women, it's a multivariate analysis of what they're attracted to.
	You guys are looking at it, money and status, that's it, that's it.
	No.
	It gets your foot in the door.
	I thought that was your foot.
	I'm saying it starts there.
	It gives the man the opportunity.
	It gives him the ability to get his foot in the door.
	But the door is still closing.
	He's got to stow other attraction triggers.
	Like when a guy walks up to you, you'll be like, wow, he's handsome.
	Let me give him a chance.
	Then he opens his mouth.
	You're like, oh, okay, I'm good.
	This guy's a fucking lame.
	So with men, it's very difficult because they have to have a bunch of things in check to be attracted to women.
	Money just buys you.
	Maybe you got a Lamborghini.
	Maybe you're a billionaire.
	Maybe you're a millionaire.
	It buys you an extra 10 seconds to introduce yourself and not immediately get rejected.
	That's all it really does in the long scheme.
	And when the girl's attractive and she has options like her, she's able...
	To reject them because she has other men of higher status that are also pursuing error.
	This is what happens when girls have options and the sexual marketplace is globalized.
	So I guess you're saying, oh, well, he had money in status.
	Why did she take him?
	Well, she's in a position where she could disqualify him because he wasn't charming and attractive enough.
	Exactly.
	We all agree with a broke dude.
	We all agree that it's not just biology then.
	We've all agreed to that.
	It's not just biology.
	You just described three other things.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	But it is biology because money, status, physical high strength, personality, charisma, charm.
	These are things that women are hardwired to look for.
	It is biology.
	Yeah, exactly.
	No, Myron's right.
	Because the difficulty here is that women, what we're saying is women are attracted to status, okay?
	But status can mean different things.
	So you've got the sort of paradigm, you've got the cliche of the rich woman who...
	Oh, shit, sorry.
	You've got the cliche of the rich woman who has sex with a poor boy while her husband's at work earning millions of dollars or whatever.
	Why does she fuck the poor boy?
	Is it because he's not a billionaire, but he might be physically very attractive?
	He might have that kind of charisma.
	He might have that bad boy sort of panache and aplomb about him, which women also find attractive.
	So there are different definitions of status that could apply at different points.
	So you're saying...
	Okay, I think I understand where we're at now.
	You're saying, oh, women...
	Experience attraction.
	That's biology.
	But what they're attracted to can be different things depending on the woman, which means that it's not biologically the same for all women, because some women might be more biologically attracted to a really high charisma, while some women might be more biologically attracted to a higher income.
	Yeah, but no woman's biologically attracted to a guy who does the housework.
	That's a completely separate point from what she's saying.
	No, it's not.
	No, it's not.
	How are you guys so autistic about sex, man?
	You make it boring.
	I have an inverted boner right now.
	It's just going.
	I would talk to somebody who turned down two billionaires.
	What's crazy is y'all so happy with these statistics.
	Statistically, we had 11 females on the panel and y'all too the only bitches that aren't in agreeance with every other female.
	we're talking about what females want, and then men are telling you what men want.
	That's not how statistics work.
	Zina, Zina, Zina, Zina, Zina, Zina, Zina, Zina, Zina, be respectful.
	I'm not, I'm not cussing them out.
	They'll call them bitches.
	I'm sorry, my queen, ladies, I'm sorry, but we have other women on this panel, and everybody is, nobody's agreeing with you guys.
	Literally, nobody's agreeing.
	How would you know what election bias is?
	This is selective.
	This is your exception.
	This is not the majority.
	You're right.
	This is not the majority.
	You know what it is?
	College is woke indoctrination.
	College turns girls into feminists, into leftists, to brainwash them with these ideas.
	Even though you are extremely educated, it's proof that college is just a woke indoctrination camp.
	I graduated when I was 14.
	They're feminists, but they're the definition of a woman.
	Hard-headed.
	You gotta tell them they're right.
	Am I right?
	Who has been married to a woman?
	Males.
	Fuck no.
	Or in a relationship with a woman.
	I'm talking to the males.
	You gotta win the argument by saying she's right.
	You're right, babe.
	And the bitch is wrong.
	What do you want to address?
	I want to address Xena's earlier points.
	No, no.
	Because she was saying statistics and I just...
	I was mocking Shadi over here who kept saying...
	And you're still talking about statistics.
	Well, because I honestly...
	And I don't mean to be condescending.
	It's going to come off condescending.
	I don't know if you guys understand how statistics work.
	I do, actually.
	You know what we understand?
	Can y'all let her finish?
	I'm not trying to be condescending.
	But you're saying, oh, look at all the women in this panel.
	Look at all the men.
	You see they're disagreeing with you.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	There is something called selection bias when it comes to statistics, right?
	And it's this whole idea that when you get a sample size of people, if you don't account, if you don't try to make it random, there is going to be a bias in who you select, right?
	So, right now, being like, oh, all the people in this panel, that's not actual statistics.
	That's not valid statistics.
	What you'd have to look at is a random sample size.
	Because, look at us.
	We're all in fucking Miami, right?
	We're not, oh, all over the U.S. population, anything like that.
	We're all hot girls from Miami and three guys.
	Okay, let me ask you this then.
	What are you disputing in particular with this election bias based on the panel?
	We're disputing in particular.
	I'm disputing the fact that Xena's saying, oh no, you should take into account everybody here.
	Look, they're telling you something opposite, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	I'm not saying that people's own experience doesn't come into account with what they believe.
	I'm saying that you'd actually have to look at actual statistics if you're going to make a claim about what the majority of people believe.
	You've quoted two statistical studies, but you didn't have the sample.
	I'm not trying to be pedantic here.
	You can't just say, oh, well, the statistics say this, so therefore that's an irrefutable proof.
	You've got to drill down into the methodology.
	What was the methodology?
	What was the sample size?
	That's absolutely valid and fair.
	I don't disagree with you on that.
	I just disagree with the idea that, oh, you see, the majority of people on this panel think this one thing.
	That means it's the truth.
	That's what I want to push against.
	Again, what is it that you are saying that there's election bias specifically that you are against?
	I'm asking you, what is it specifically?
	She's trying to claim that we're outliers here on this panel.
	Undoubtedly, we are.
	Clearly, y'all are in more ideological agreement than we are.
	Well, about what though?
	No, you guys understand that we select women randomly.
	Give us specifically what it is that makes you the outlier.
	I don't care about the girls on the table.
	What makes you outliers from women in general?
	Because you guys don't agree that the panel...
	No, outliers from this panel.
	I don't think most women think that men are logically superior.
	Yeah.
	You don't think that?
	No.
	I don't think most women think, oh, men are logically the best people, like, logically superior than me.
	I think most women would say we're equal.
	If I asked 100 women in general, would you prefer a male surgeon or a female surgeon?
	Most of them would probably elect with a man.
	If I asked a girl...
	I mean, it's very convenient that you can just make up like, oh, if I ask 100 women or whatever, I'm sure they're going to agree with me.
	Like, I could say the same thing and throw it back at you.
	I could ask 100 men, and I'm sure they're going to agree with me.
	But here's the thing.
	This is where common sense comes in, and this is why so many people from the left, I guess, don't have common sense at all.
	You're saying your feelings.
	You're saying common sense is your feelings.
	This is not my feelings.
	This is common sense understanding that when there's danger afoot, or something critical needs to be done, Or there's a high-pressure situation, they want the man there, not the woman.
	If the house is burning down, you don't want two feminists coming in that identify as they, them, coming in to pull you out.
	You want a toxically masculine guy that says faggot on Saturdays when he's talking to his buddies drinking beers.
	You want him pulling you out the fire.
	When you're getting robbed, you don't want two feminists showing up that call themselves Susie and Kristen that identify as him, her, them, and them.
	When I'm in a fire, I'm a firefighters.
	When I'm getting robbed, I want law enforcement.
	My point is, when push comes to shove, life or death, it's a high-pressure situation.
	Women almost always want men in this driver's seat taking care of the situation because why?
	Men are superior when it comes to operating under pressure.
	They're superior when it comes to dexterity.
	They're superior when it comes to decision-making when it comes under pressure.
	This is why men dominate in video games, whereas there's no physical difference.
	Chess, etc., Men dominate women when it comes to deductive problem solving.
	It is a fact that everything you see around the world nowadays was invented by a man that is more logically sound and rational than yourself.
	Simple question.
	Those two girls that got kicked off the panel for being irrational and knocking on the door, if you had to go call the police because she started getting reckless, would you rather a female police officer come or a male police officer?
	If they have a gun, who the fuck cares?
	It doesn't matter to you?
	No, not if they have a weapon in their hand.
	Would you rather have a male police officer come or a female police officer?
	To come and handle the situation, two drunk girls being obnoxious.
	The gender of the law enforcement officer doesn't matter.
	A man.
	If gender doesn't matter, then you know what?
	Why don't we have more women in the military?
	Because everyone has guns.
	I didn't say gender didn't matter.
	I just said in this specific circumstance, if a police officer comes here, that's very different than an entire military of people.
	And again, I know they have guns.
	The same shit.
	People would die, alright?
	So, focus, alright?
	People would die in the military.
	All things equal.
	Okay, let's say all things equal.
	Everyone has a gun.
	Do you want a male police officer show up or a female police officer show up?
	Come on, man.
	Do y'all know the percentage difference between male officers that pull out the guns and actually use it versus female?
	That's not necessarily a good thing.
	Please tell me, because you said, if she said, if y'all had guns, it doesn't matter.
	I just want to know.
	I just want to know.
	She brought it up, so I want to know.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I don't want cops...
	She said if they have a gun, their gender doesn't matter.
	They have a full capacity to enforce the law so long as they're an armed officer of the state and they have a gun.
	It doesn't matter if it's a female law enforcement officer or a male law enforcement officer.
	If that person came into the room, they have the command of this room.
	No, they don't.
	Nobody respects a female.
	What are you going to arrest me?
	I'm running away.
	Shit.
	You're running away from a female officer.
	You don't hesitate to cap your ass.
	You can't.
	He just said he'd run away from her.
	So that kind of proves the point.
	Ladies, ladies, you can't shoot a suspect from running away from you.
	You can't do that.
	Of course you're capable of doing that.
	And women police officers are far more likely to pull a gun out and get involved in a shooting than a man because they're not as physically capable of dealing with the perpetrator.
	Thank you.
	I used to work in law enforcement.
	Women are far more likely to pull out their guns because they're not as physically as capable as dealing with a perpetrator.
	We never disagreed on how men are physically stronger or not.
	I'm not talking about physicality.
	Yeah, you have an issue with the rationale.
	What I have an issue with is that you guys keep saying, oh, you see, men are so much superior, etc., etc., and yet you bring these...
	Okay, superior in logic, superior in...
	I'm listening.
	Okay, no, I was going to say, can you make the list again?
	Logic, decision-making, rationality, decision-making.
	Yeah, you're saying that you already demonstrated the ways in which women are superior to men you don't even find to be important.
	No, they are reported.
	It's just that you guys never asked.
	Regardless of that, right?
	And then to prove your point, what you're doing is that you're using these exceptional circumstances to say, oh no, men in general are more illogical, right?
	How often is your house burning down?
	How often is a police officer knocking on your door?
	Not very often, right?
	So to me, I think it's really weird to take these exceptional circumstances and say, oh, that's proof that men on average are more illogical.
	The reason why we have to use exceptional circumstances is to show you that men are exceptionally better than women at said circumstances.
	That's why we have to do it that way.
	Because for you to understand that men are more rationally, logically, and deductive problem solved than women is because I have to give you these examples so you guys understand when it comes to life or death, what are you picking?
	I need to be able to get a clear-cut answer.
	So Matt, here's the thing.
	I'm not saying women aren't capable.
	The problem is that you guys are listening, but you're not understanding.
	I'm not saying women aren't capable.
	I'm saying if I had the two options, the superior option is almost always the man when it comes to deductive problem solving, rationality, logic, and emotional control.
	So you would choose a male officer.
	First day on the job, rookie dude with a gun to protect you over a veteran who is...
	It's the average person.
	You're just arguing nothing, right?
	It's the average person.
	I'm trying to demonstrate an example where you're saying, I'm picking the dude every time.
	I'm picking the guy.
	She just argued that she's a veteran officer.
	She's got 30 years job experience.
	She has way more training with a firearm.
	You'd pick a fucking...
	Dipshit rookie little boy cop.
	Hold on, hold on.
	I'll tell you what.
	He's younger.
	No, no, no.
	It's very rational because I come from that field.
	He's younger.
	He's more gung-ho.
	He's stronger.
	He's more physically capable.
	A woman on the job for 30 years...
	Hold on, hold on.
	Men are less likely to pull out their guns in a physical confrontation because they can actually deal with a suspect versus a woman is not.
	A woman with 30 years of experience as a police officer is old and fat at this point.
	I have no idea the circumstances by which a woman, this female officer, would be withdrawing her gun.
	The ingrained biases literally would change the way that interaction would play out.
	You asked me a question.
	You didn't think about it logically and rationally.
	I think I did, but...
	You did it because you named a woman who's physically inferior, fatter, older, et cetera, versus a young rookie who is far more physically capable.
	I'm framing as more experienced.
	You said 30 years experience.
	30 years experience makes her 50 years old.
	To be a police officer, you typically have to be between 18 to 21.
	Let's talk about y'all experiences.
	Hold up, let me talk.
	Do you think that a woman in her 50s can't be physically fit?
	No.
	No.
	Can a man in his 50s be physically fit?
	I just want to point out, can a man in his 50s be physically fit?
	Can a man in his 50s be physically fit?
	Absolutely.
	Because we're going through menopause at 50.
	We are physically in Let's talk about experience, real life situation, not statistics.
	We're talking about the male species, okay?
	Just relax.
	The reason that they're able to argue these points is because we don't live in a dangerous society anymore.
	Violence never really comes up in college campuses.
	Then why were y'all earlier in the conversation bringing up that men are more likely to be the victim of the violent crime when they go outside?
	The reason that woke feminists and she-days exist is because we are in a world where our gender roles matter less because there's more equal opportunity.
	As soon as we revert to our gender roles, if we're all on an island and it's a bunch of us, who's going to be the one who's going to start the fire?
	Yeah, exactly.
	You have to think of exceptional circumstances that don't exist and develop to modern countries.
	And the point is that we know that biology matters, and you're trying to act like we just live in this autistic fucking...
	I'm not saying...
	I never said biology doesn't matter.
	The only reason you're able to make...
	No facts, ladies.
	No, there's a multitude of factors that can...
	Yo, look, the only reason...
	The fact that you even tried to argue with me that a woman that's 50 years old is as physically capable as a young man that's a rookie police officer...
	That's quite literally what she said a second ago.
	That is literally not what she argued.
	30 years on the job.
	She never said anything about...
	No.
	What she literally said, and let's be clear here, is she said, oh, a 50-year-old woman who is more experienced than a 20-year-old rookie.
	She's not saying, oh, the woman is more...
	She never said any of that.
	I granted you that a 50-year-old woman is probably not physically superior to a rookie cop, but I'm saying that there are skill sets in her.
	But then you literally verbatim said, and you think a 50-year-old man is more physically capable.
	No, no, no.
	She said, do you think a 50-year-old man can be 50?
	Yeah, anybody can be fit.
	A man in his 50s can be physically fit.
	But somehow, a woman in her 50s can't.
	A woman with 50s can't.
	That wasn't the question that you asked.
	So what you did was...
	Context matters, ladies.
	Here's the thing.
	Here's the context.
	Would you prefer a young rookie cop coming in in a dire situation or a woman who is trained with 30 years experience?
	And me, using my deductive problem solving and my rationality and logic, I know 30 years on the job automatically puts her at around 50 years old.
	So I know she's not going to be as physically capable of actually dealing with a perpetrator as the young guy.
	So that's why when you say...
	Hold on.
	I was literally listening to you very closely.
	That's why I'm able to answer it to this degree.
	That's what I said, right?
	That's what I said.
	Automatically, the young guy, and I didn't even think twice about it because I knew 30 years on the job, regardless of her firearm training, regardless of her experience, regardless of her time on the job, the man is going to be superior to her in this degree because when it comes to policing, when it comes to a dire situation, physicality matters.
	Now, then you go ahead and say, well, does that mean that a 50-year-old woman can't be fit?
	No, I said it's physicality, Trump.
	Everything.
	When it comes to policing and dealing in a life or death situation, I want the physically fit guy every time.
	I want a person who's more capable with handling a gun.
	Have you shot a gun before?
	Let him finish.
	This is his panel.
	I'm telling you, man.
	You don't always need a gun to defuse the threat.
	As a matter of fact, they teach you in law enforcement.
	In a law enforcement situation, they actually teach you to defuse the threat at the lowest level so that you don't have to necessarily escalate and kill someone.
	Exactly, you don't even need physical strength.
	Are you going to let this man fucking talk?
	You don't need to shoot a gun, but you might need a physical strength.
	You get the physical strength so that you don't have to shoot them.
	Exactly.
	So you can actually take them down to the ground.
	So what I'm saying is that I prefer the younger guy.
	And then you said, well, can a woman be physically fit too?
	And I was like, she can, but not to the same level as a man can.
	Then you're like, well, what about a 50-year-old guy?
	Well, if I took a 50-year-old guy, 50-year-old woman, all things equal, that 50-year-old guy more than likely is going to be physically superior to that 50-year-old woman.
	Okay, but it wasn't a question of whether or not a 50-year-old man would be physically superior to a 50-year-old woman.
	He probably would be Physically fit at 50 now you're saying oh well she can be but she'd be inferior to you like hearing your They have a new spec for y'all just because you disagree with them
	doesn't mean that you guys can outright disrespect them relax When I put the girls out of the studio, right?
	Mind you, she wanted to fight all the girls on the panel, but the moment I approached her, she was like, nah, nigga, I'm cool.
	And I told her, hey, listen, I'm gonna call the cops, right?
	These guys will get here.
	She was out within two seconds.
	You girls will sit down on the panel and ain't doing shit, all right?
	So at the end of the day, when the threat of a man is involved, These bitches are out.
	They know what's up.
	They know what's up.
	They're never going to have kids invest in antidepressants.
	The last thing before...
	Okay, well, he pulls up the chats.
	But he didn't get scared because he said male cops are on their way.
	He said law enforcement are on their way.
	Law enforcement could be a man or a woman.
	Okay, so you guys have an issue with the point that we made that we said men are more logically, rationally, and logically sound than women and better deduct the problems.
	That's your issue, right?
	Yeah, of course.
	Can I explain something?
	Can we do equality?
	For real?
	You guys are talking about so much equality and you guys are not giving anybody the opportunity to talk.
	I'm talking and you guys are interrupting me.
	Let me finish.
	Let her finish.
	Start first.
	Explain your statistics.
	My problem is that you're using these extreme examples to try to prove your point.
	And I think that there are, and I know there are because I've literally, you can make fun of me for reading studies, but yeah, I've read the studies that can make these points in different ways or don't prove to what you're saying.
	So, for example, oh, who's a more logical thinker or whatever in, like, stressful situations?
	There are literally books written about this, about, like, actually said he's done with stress.
	And guess what?
	Who's the best people reacting at stress?
	It's not men.
	It's not women.
	It's people who believe that they're good at handling stress.
	That is literally the number one indicator of how you're going to perform in a stressful situation.
	So this isn't, oh, down to biology.
	It's literally down to how you think you're going to handle stress.
	So when you say like, oh no, this is all biological.
	It's going to be this way.
	It's going to be probably men, probably women.
	What you're taking, or what it seems like you're not taking into account is that there's all these other factors, regardless of sex, that actually influence how you handle stressful situations.
	I would strongly recommend reading the book, Upsides of Stress.
	It goes...
	Okay, then you know what you want to talk about?
	Women can handle stress better than men in some situations.
	Why is it that all of the most stressful jobs are dominated by men?
	Can you give us...
	Air traffic controllers.
	High-level surgeons.
	Okay.
	Police officers.
	Military.
	All of these high-risk jobs that are very dangerous, by the way, I might add, that women typically don't go into.
	Why are they dominated by men if women are so good at handling stress?
	You're saying it's because men have a natural affinity above women.
	And that's why, right?
	That's your explanation.
	I'm asking you the question.
	I'm responding to what she said.
	She's saying women deal with stress better than men in certain situations.
	And I was like, okay, cool.
	By that logic, tell me why all the most stressful careers are dominated by men.
	She's just saying that women have the capacity to do so in the same way that men do.
	A lot of these careers that you're listing are physical in nature.
	Air traffic controller is physical?
	Being a pilot is physical?
	I said a lot.
	I didn't say all.
	Please.
	So which is one that's dominated by women?
	A high-stressist job?
	Advil.
	Honestly, straight up, child rearing.
	Yeah.
	You don't think raising children is stressful?
	Oh, Myra, come on.
	You don't think that's one of the most stressful jobs out there?
	Tell me you're never taking care of a child in your life without telling me you're never taking care of a kid in your life.
	It is not fucking easy.
	What did I say at the top of the show?
	I said that men...
	Right?
	Are more likely to go ahead and chase resources.
	I said women are naturally lazy when it comes to chasing resources.
	They're better at creating life and a family.
	We agree.
	Okay, another more dominated sex work is a majority woman.
	And guess what?
	That is an extremely stressful occupation.
	Oh, perfect.
	Can I speak up, Myron?
	This is the best part.
	Explain how sex work is such a hard work force.
	Are you in sex work?
	Because I have OnlyFans.
	She has OnlyFans.
	That shit is easy, right?
	You take a fucking picture and you post it, right?
	I'm talking about like fucking strippers or posses.
	Okay, bitch.
	I used to be a stripper.
	I could do a pole dance right the fuck now.
	It's easy as fuck.
	Oh, that's easy.
	It's amazing.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm drunk.
	If y'all think erasing a child is so stressful, then why are you guys saying that we- It's easy.
	It's easy.
	You finesse men.
	You shake a little bit of ass and you finesse men.
	I used to dance.
	It's actually not a stress.
	It's not stressful.
	The only thing that's stressful is your own perseverance.
	It's extremely physically demanding.
	And I am a pole dancer, honey.
	And I am a pole dancer.
	It's not.
	Physically engineering at all.
	I'm not a stripper, but I've done pole fitness before.
	You end the night with your legs just covered in bruises.
	It cannot be...
	I've never had a bruise, baby.
	That's how it is in the beginning.
	May I please speak?
	Sweetheart.
	Sweetheart.
	mount yourself to that go without getting bruised go oh my god I think you suck a stripper this is physically demanding This is what y'all should be doing.
	Stop going to college, man.
	This is way more fun to be in.
	I think she displayed that.
	What she's basically saying is that sex work is not as fun.
	Stop trying to justify it.
	This shit is easy, bro.
	It's so easy.
	Go get the fuck up there.
	We were talking about stress.
	It's so easy.
	Go do it.
	No, we were talking about stress.
	That is so physically easy.
	And men are, on average, more stronger than women.
	This should be easy for you.
	Get the fuck up.
	Get your ass on that.
	Everybody shut up.
	Let me tell you why I've not been on the pole for over a fucking year and a half, bitch.
	It's called muscle memory.
	I don't die.
	It's not physically engineering.
	If I got on one right now, I could still fucking do it.
	But that doesn't prove that shit.
	You're debunked.
	You are debunked.
	And you're not a bitch, I'm sorry.
	That doesn't prove your point because you were talking about stressful.
	That's physically demanding.
	That was not physically demanding.
	Hey, ladies, ladies, ladies.
	Number one, number one.
	Everyone sit down.
	That's easy.
	Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
	Hey, hey, hey.
	Everybody shut the hell up.
	Sit down.
	Relax.
	Take a breather.
	Let's reset this.
	Sina, gather your thoughts.
	Make your point.
	And then I'm going to let them go ahead and say what they got to say.
	So let me gather my thoughts.
	And don't be disrespectful.
	Don't call them a bitch again.
	Okay, so I'm going to speak in accent.
	Don't call them fucking bitches, guys.
	No one has a bitch.
	We're all ladies.
	Sorry.
	So, while I did that, I just displayed that with an anecdotal experience.
	I just displayed it, and I'm telling you, from my own experience, there's nothing that comes easy to me.
	You're speaking because you're, oh, it looks hard.
	It's not hard.
	That shit's easy.
	I've done it.
	I told you I've done pole fitness, girl.
	Well, our body mass is completely different, respectfully.
	Can I finish, baby?
	I never went to I never went to training.
	I don't do training.
	I never did anything.
	Everything that I do is self-taught.
	It's just easy.
	It's just easy.
	It's not it's incomparable from a man's Let me just say, remember ladies, that the argument was about stress and what we were arguing is that men dominate the most stressful jobs and you went ahead and you brought into sex work.
	That's where they came in.
	Did you have something that you want to add to that?
	Of course, I have a lot of things to see.
	You guys are talking about statistics facts.
	How many jobs have you guys had?
	Multiple.
	Okay, they both have had multiple.
	I do primary education.
	How many kids have you guys had?
	I've been a babysitter.
	I've done gig work.
	I've worked music festivals.
	I've been a caretaker for a lot of my life, even when I was under age.
	Yeah.
	Caretaker and disabled elderly family member.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Caretaker.
	I've worked in every fucking position you could imagine.
	This girl, I'm sure she's worked every fucking hard job you can fucking imagine.
	I'm talking about restaurants, like bartending, bottle girl, stripper, everything, everything.
	But let me tell you, I've had a child.
	You guys haven't.
	And you guys are out here talking about maternity.
	Another thing.
	You guys are talking about sex work.
	It's so stressful and you guys have never...
	Here, let's let her finish, please.
	Y'all probably have like three body...
	I don't know.
	I don't even know if y'all had a boyfriend before.
	Y'all talking about male species.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Let me fucking finish.
	Y'all talking about male species.
	You guys, how much you want to bank?
	Y'all have never lived with a man.
	Hey, hey, hey.
	There's no need to be disrespectful.
	Just say your points.
	You are.
	Just say your points.
	Don't be a bitch about it.
	That's just the way I talk.
	Don't be patronizing to the ladies, man.
	What else?
	What is that?
	You wrote it down.
	It says fire.
	I don't know what that means.
	Stupid.
	Nurses is another example.
	Wait, nurse?
	Of stressful jobs, RNs, people working non-stop.
	My mother was a nurse.
	You know what's more stressful than being a nurse?
	Oh, you're going to say doctor.
	Yeah, and who's usually the doctor?
	Well, again, now we're going to go back to circles.
	Well, yeah, because guess what?
	Guess who historically couldn't practice medicine in that level of field?
	So now you're getting more women doctors.
	You know, I'm really glad that you brought up med school and doctors.
	Actually, women nowadays, med school is almost 50-50.
	But overwhelmingly, the people that choose to go into the harder professions when it comes to surgery, anesthesiology, etc.
	are overwhelmingly men.
	Women typically go into pediatricians, being a primary caregiver, primary doctor.
	They want to do veterinary type stuff.
	They want to do cosmetics.
	A lot of times they want to do skin dermatology.
	Men almost always go into the more risky, harder professions when it comes to the medical field.
	I feel like this is pure cope.
	So you're saying that even when it comes to men and women earning the same credential, both going through med school, incredibly difficult, becoming PhDs, getting an MD, then you want to break it down to the sector and you're like, well, they're choosing the easy sectors to being a doctor.
	Dude, come on!
	They are.
	And here's how I know this.
	There's no studies on this because it would be the most sexist and fucked up study and it would never get approved.
	Or maybe it's just unscientific, but continue.
	Well, I have a lot of friends that are doctors, and overwhelmingly, and you know what?
	How about we, you could have fun, and you could go ahead and look at the registered surgeons.
	I guarantee you, look at their neurosurgeons, the anesthesiologists, all the professions that are actually high risk, okay?
	They're probably dominated by men.
	Probably.
	Okay, no more.
	I guarantee they're dominated by men.
	Let's go to the chats.
	They're never going to go.
	And that is the truth.
	Because you're saying biology, and we're saying...
	Please read the chats.
	You said that you're doing restaurant work, right?
	Yes.
	Would you say it was physically demanding?
	Yes, it was.
	Oh, what's so hard about, you know, just taking somebody's orders?
	No, no, no.
	About standing for fucking eight hours?
	Exactly, girl.
	It is physically demanding.
	If you're saying just standing is physically demanding, why the fuck isn't spinning on a pole physically demanding?
	For hours and hours on end.
	It is, but being a cop is more physically demanding.
	No, I'm just saying that it's not as physically demanding as being a cop.
	I'm simply saying that independently.
	Sitting in this chair and listening to you speak is physically demanding.
	Let's read the chats, please.
	Let's read the chats, please.
	Sorry.
	Don't shut up.
	Purple shirt, can your elbows touch behind your back?
	What that means?
	Can you touch your elbows behind your back?
	No, don't because their poops might pop out.
	Let's keep going.
	It's Rumble though.
	Yeah, Rumble doesn't want nudity.
	Subscribe.
	Is a woman's desire for a taller man also a social construct?
	Don't take feminist liberal women seriously.
	Use this podcast to know what they want to hear and then smash and dash.
	They've never been on a date and they're going to tell you about standards, man.
	Long live gaming.
	Why are they trying to deny biology?
	Social construct.
	Woke ideas.
	It's a social construct.
	You pick it.
	Managing engineer.
	The females that are in the field overwhelmingly work less than men.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	And work even less when they become pregnant and yet are paid equally as an overworked male.
	No, you're saying he's a managing engineer.
	Mr.
	Sheed, 50.
	Can you let him speak?
	Please.
	And the two most validated emotional control measures, men have lower neuroticism, big five, and better hot executive functioning, emotion suppression, and charge situation.
	Do some high homework, you dumbholes.
	So there you go.
	You can argue all you want about social constructs, but gender differences are seen in toddlers.
	This has been proven.
	Boys will be more aggressive in play-fight and be more protective.
	This is true as well.
	Fair enough.
	Can you guys just put Troy at the panel at this point?
	How can you tell if he's a virgin or inexperienced and how that he's experienced?
	We're beyond that, my friend.
	So...
	Sorrow at Terps goes, there won't be no dry as jokes tonight.
	Thank you, Barb.
	I can tell.
	Must be in the multiverse.
	Never thought would see a show without Fresh.
	Is this Sneak and Get Fit?
	I guess it's Sneak and Get Fit.
	Ladies, what's the most real but savage truth you've told another lady?
	I fucked another guy.
	Colorado Roughneck goes, pink dress, this titsisi is higher than her IQ. Wait, what?
	He said that your titsisi's are higher than your IQ. If my IQ is low, how do you not know that this is actually purple?
	I was just about to say.
	All right, yo, Sneeko, there's a girl on the panel that has been in the chat telling everybody that she's your biggest fan.
	I see it, bro, but be careful.
	She's cuckoo.
	Yo, shout out to you.
	All right.
	I hope you're not a she-they.
	They both never seem to work out.
	All right.
	Cam two times.
	And then cam two times again.
	What does fat people in modern-day relationships have in common?
	Answer on my next rant, okay?
	And that is, who has more rights, men or women, or a truck, if they want to?
	Wait, what?
	They can identify as trucks, basically.
	Oh, shit.
	Pink girl, the literal definition of a bimbo.
	What's bimbo?
	It means empowered queen.
	Wait, no, but for real, what's bimbo?
	Hey, y'all!
	It means a stallion.
	That's what it means.
	Continue on.
	V-dubs goes, to the blonde, she, they.
	Who's they, though?
	It's a social construct.
	That gender's a spectrum, blah, blah, blah.
	But I'm going to argue about male and female dynamics for the whole show.
	Go ahead.
	The truth of the matter is, I'm not fucking a snowflake who gets really upset if somebody calls me him, they, she.
	I'm not like, oh my god, how dare you call me the wrong pronoun?
	I don't give a fuck.
	That's why there's a she, they, and if you want to call me him, why would I care?
	Call me whatever you want.
	I'm not a snowflake.
	No, I care enough to signal to people that you can call me what you want.
	That's what I'm trying to get across.
	That's what I'm trying to get across.
	Call me what you want.
	So if you didn't have any attachments to your gender, why'd you put it on your profile?
	It's a signal.
	If anybody wants to call me whatever, I'm cool with it.
	Go for it.
	Bitch.
	What?
	She said you could call whatever!
	You gotta call me a bitch!
	Call her anything, but just don't disagree with her, because...
	I love it when you don't disagree with me, because I like where you're going.
	What the fuck?
	I mean, that's what she said!
	She said it doesn't matter!
	What the fuck?
	Bro, this...
	Chris, that was the most thickest thing you've ever done.
	Oh my god.
	Okay, girl next to my eye was definitely invited by Icy.
	The girl that got kicked out.
	Oh yeah, I knew she was invited.
	Monty337.
	Yeah, that girl.
	WFNF crew.
	WSticko.
	Come on, I'm in the gym now.
	Y'all have changed my life better every day.
	Ready to join FADCO and Creativity Kit next week.
	Yes.
	One out of 1,000.
	Only 1,000 members in the Creativity Kit.
	Also, shout out to Xena.
	I've been using her IG to red pill these females.
	Keep it up, love.
	Mo, put Creativity Kit top of the description for Rumble.
	Already there.
	Get in there.
	AJ River, thanks for the 20.
	Ladies, instead of naming these three countries, can y'all name all of the seven C's?
	Oh, hell no, nigga.
	All right.
	Big Chief Lifestyle goes, Lico, did you do druggies?
	No, get off my dick, bro.
	Okay.
	And then we got, yeah, they shit on us too.
	It's the end of the queen of the panel, but I'm going to need pink shirts Insta, okay?
	It's below my friend.
	Sova Savage.
	Stay strong.
	Don't fap.
	Stay strong on 2020.
	No fucking beating your meat.
	No pain.
	Stop being a simp.
	Retard rating for Myron Tasneko.
	7, 10, 2, 0, 6, 6, 5, 4, 1, 10.
	That was from earlier from the girls.
	You got a 10?
	That was a retard rating.
	No, it was a retard rating.
	You got a 10.
	I'm ecstatic.
	You were trying to say something before?
	Go ahead.
	Fuck, I don't remember.
	I think I'm just...
	What is on time is it?
	Sorry, ladies.
	Last thoughts!
	Okay.
	Wait, what?
	Yeah, last thoughts on the panel.
	Wait, no, wait.
	Let them fucking finish their point.
	Yeah, I know.
	Why are niggas trying to...
	I mean, last thoughts, man.
	Yeah, I'm starving.
	Hey, sorry, Myron, man.
	Hey, girls, she flew out to New Jersey and shit like that, so...
	What?
	What?
	I'm so confused.
	No, I'm saying last thoughts.
	Okay.
	Oh, God.
	Because these girls have time schedules.
	Alright, who's gotta leave?
	Yeah, I gotta work in the morning.
	Y'all two gotta go?
	Alright, well, I mean...
	You gotta keep debating, really?
	Uh, yeah.
	I'm not trying to be trash, but I clocked in, man.
	Call Meir, call Meir, call Meir.
	Let's see what the chat says.
	But whatever y'all want to talk about, it's your show.
	The girls are pretty nice right now.
	It's last thoughts.
	Fresh is not here right now.
	I know you want to debate with the girls.
	Hey, listen...
	There's only two girls that want to leave, bro.
	Yeah, only two.
	It's only two, man.
	Last thoughts on the two, ladies?
	More argument for what else?
	If y'all gotta go, y'all gotta go.
	Thank you so much for having me, ladies.
	You guys are all amazing.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Are we done?
	Shout out.
	No, their Instagram is in the description.
	I mean, unless you want to give your last thoughts on what you thought, you want to give your last opinion or whatever?
	I mean, I've...
	What can you say?
	Go ahead, just say how you really feel, it's fine.
	I just really, like, I don't know, it all depends also on how...
	It all depends also on how, you know, everybody grew up in the household you grew up in, and of course, you know, education and all that good stuff.
	But me, with men and women, personally, like I said, a man has his role.
	You know, you provide for your family.
	Why would I want to go outside digging in the ground, do construction?
	Let me take care of my family.
	I am not going to go work and have anyone.
	Look at the world we live in now.
	I'm going to have somebody else raise my child.
	Especially a man out of all people.
	Provide for your family.
	A big one.
	But they don't want to have kids, though.
	I do want to have kids.
	See what I mean?
	There's nothing wrong with having a job, being successful, having the education you want to have.
	But then again, are you going to want someone else to raise your children?
	Do you want someone else raising your children?
	Do you want to send them to daycare?
	Do you know what they do to kids in daycare?
	Some of them, you know, some kids are abused.
	You don't want that.
	Kids are also abused at home.
	What are you saying?
	You're gonna abuse your kids at home?
	You're gonna stay with a man that's gonna abuse your kids at home?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Are you just here to be a contrarian?
	Just get the holy water.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Do you not understand?
	That's not a contrarian position.
	This is the objective reality that the majority of children are not abused in daycares.
	They are abused in their own household by their fathers.
	Contextualize the conversation.
	She literally said, Would you prefer to put your kids in a daycare or you as the mother, you personally take care of your child?
	So she's inferring, I will be the primary caregiver.
	Just like she's saying for you guys in this hypothetical, you would be the primary caregiver.
	And then you respond, will kids get abused in the home?
	That's a ludicrous comment.
	Yeah, you're being...
	So you just don't give a fuck?
	I mean, she was literally alluding to the fact that kids can be abused in daycare, which is why she's talking about her own hypothetical reality.
	She's talking about her own hypothetical and then after you prefer...
	Listen, she's talking about Why she, why this is her opinion.
	So she's asking you, would you prefer to raise your own kid or would you prefer to take them to daycare?
	Now you're saying kids get abused at home.
	Right.
	But are you about to abuse your kids?
	Like, come on.
	You want to stay at home, man, to raise your child.
	What'd you say?
	Amy Lee Argan just to argue, bro.
	I mean, yeah, you got to be able to contextualize what she literally said.
	She said, I'm not putting my kid in daycare because I know I'll be able to be a better caregiver and avoid abuse.
	And then you respond, yeah, but technically, realistically speaking, there's a higher chance of abuse in the house.
	She's not going to be a kid.
	I'm not saying abuse with the answer.
	Okay, okay.
	Statistically.
	Stop watching Destiny, bro.
	This is too much, man.
	They just start chatting.
	Come, bro.
	Yeah.
	Hey, I respect the contrarian stance, but you gotta be a contrarian when it makes sense.
	So we disagree that most children are...
	This is not the argument.
	That is not the argument.
	She gave a hypothetical.
	She literally gave a hypothetical so that you guys can also be in her shoes saying, I'm not going to put my kid in a situation and get abused.
	And then you respond, well, technically you're going to be more likely to get abused at home.
	Like, what?
	Yeah, because that's true.
	She's not going to do that because she's trying to keep her kids safe.
	And I'm saying a lot of abuse happens right under people's noses at the hands of biological fathers.
	of course but that didn't make sense with what was going on to make that contrarian statement okay let her talk after what you fucked up everything I wanted to say wait wait wait okay no I just I want to hear but I was interested in what you were saying so well this is her last thought not that interesting nobody wants to let me finish just talk we do we do all want to hear you I respect what they're saying
	I'm not saying, you know, like, oh, it crosses anyone's mind.
	But speaking of logic, you want to be logical?
	Yeah, women are.
	We use our feelings more.
	Men are logical.
	Men are.
	Women, sometimes you're going to think with your feelings, you're going to react before even thinking about what a person is saying.
	You know what I mean?
	Ready for her to disagree?
	That's what I'm saying.
	I already hear it loaded.
	Well, actually, the study, the study, study!
	Personally, these studies are loaded.
	You guys, these studies are loaded.
	Logical men are making fun of stats and studies.
	That's emotional!
	Damn it!
	That's an emotional response.
	It's not about studying.
	It's just about how fucking annoying this debate is, though.
	You don't stop.
	It's not about studying.
	It's just that you don't stop.
	You know what I think it is?
	Your age.
	Because you're so young, you're in college, and the way you think...
	We're graduates.
	Well, congratulations, my baby.
	You're in college, whatever it is, university, you know, educating yourself on whatever it is you want to do.
	It's your age.
	You want to argue about maybe when you're 27, maybe you'll think like me.
	No, feminists don't want to have kids.
	Yeah.
	What job you got after college?
	What job you got after college?
	At this point, everybody else talk.
	I'm chillin.
	I fuck this shit.
	I'm in Miami.
	Thank you.
	No, they don't listen.
	I heard what you said there.
	I speak Arabic too.
	They don't listen.
	Why do you not want to have children?
	Out of interest, if it's not personal.
	I have issues with fertility, one.
	I'm sorry to hear that.
	No, it's okay.
	I'm fine.
	And right now, I'm just not interested in structuring my life around children.
	I have professional aspirations that I'd rather prioritize.
	Maybe down the line, I'd consider fostering or adopting, but right now, I don't have potentially even the biological ability to do so, or even just the desire to do so.
	Maybe that's a reason why you think the way you think also.
	Maybe.
	We guess we have to do a study.
	Please, enough of the studies.
	These studies, I'm sorry, are bogus.
	Where are they coming from?
	What college?
	What university?
	Somebody can ask you all the studies from you.
	Hey, look, look, look.
	Guys, guys, guys.
	Look, look, look.
	Ladies, to be more mature here, the reality is if most women prefer...
	Children and a family over a career and success.
	And that's overwhelming.
	I want women to make every choice that they feel is best for them.
	I get that.
	But what I'm saying is that most women prefer children and a family over a career.
	And even the women that do get a career, when they have a child, they throw that out the wayside and go to the family and children.
	That's what we need for saving this.
	But that's what they're...
	Even though they're trying to be funny about it, that's what they're trying to say is that women in general prefer family, children, and that home life versus chasing your career and making a lot more.
	Can I ask you a question, Myra?
	Sure, go ahead.
	Yes, man.
	Shut up, bro.
	Damn, man.
	Alright, sorry, man.
	Grow up, nigga.
	What the fuck?
	Go ahead.
	You're right.
	Okay, so you're saying that this is what women generally prefer, but I think it's a little bit strange because when we look at the most developed nations in the world or extremely developed nations in the world, the rate of birth and children is extremely low compared to developing nations.
	You're absolutely right.
	It's inversely proportional.
	The higher educational attainment you have, the less likely you are to have children.
	So, to me, it seems if you're going to say, like, oh, you know, this is what women prefer, then you would still have similar rates.
	Well, here's the thing, and I love that you brought that up.
	Here's the reality, though.
	Even though, because you're right, we are low birth rates, but what do we have to replace that?
	We have depressed, sad women, lowest levels of approval for women's existences than ever before.
	Women make more money now than ever before, and they're more empowered than ever before, but why are the approval ratings of life low?
	Why are the antidepressant medications high?
	Women making more money now more than ever doesn't speak to much because we already said that women are at an economic disadvantage because they were barred from even getting an education.
	Incorrect.
	Women dominate college attendance right now.
	What do you mean?
	Right now.
	But you're saying women are earning more than they ever have before.
	Yes, they are.
	Okay, what is the average median salary of a woman in the United States?
	Well, for men, it's between $37,000 to about $50,000 per year.
	For women, it's about $5,000 less than that.
	$5,000 to $10,000 less than that.
	But they're still earning more than ever before.
	And women are starting to out-earn men in a lot of cities in the United States.
	That's still not even a particularly impressive salary.
	Well, I get that, but you've got to remember that where you live matters, right?
	In Mississippi, that might go a long way.
	Maybe in Florida or Miami, it might not.
	What I'm saying is that in general, remember my argument wasn't that women make enough.
	My argument was women make more than ever before and they're competing with men and they're out earning men in a lot of places.
	So what I am saying is that women are more empowered than ever before but they're less happy.
	Why is that?
	Because they're not having children.
	And here's the other thing too.
	Feminism has lied to you guys.
	It's told you.
	Wait until having a family at 29, 30, 35 years old when you have your career and your degree.
	But the reality is it doesn't work that way because as you make more money, become more successful and increase your status, doors close for you.
	For me, as a man, as I get older, make more money, my status goes up.
	Doors open for me because I want a woman that's typically 7 to 10 years younger than I am and women want a guy that's older than them or at their level making the same amount of money.
	And high-earning men don't want women on their level financially and their age.
	Myron, can I propose an alternative solution to what you said before?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Because earlier you were saying, oh no, like women are more depressed than ever before, et cetera, et cetera.
	But what a lot of people don't take into account when they talk about stuff like that is that mental health has become, it's a relatively new field, right?
	So back in the 50s, the 60s, before then, that just wasn't talked about.
	People would drown in alcoholism instead.
	People would just be miserable and commit suicide or like not, basically not talk about what was going on.
	And it's only recently with the advent of psychology, therapy, shit like that, that we've actually started getting depression medication, started talking about this shit, started, you know, not hiding it all.
	Have either of you ever suffered from suicidal thoughts, tendencies, or depression or been medicated on depressive drugs?
	Have you?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	You have?
	I have.
	Do you have any cut marks?
	Any of that?
	Did you ever get that severe?
	I'm just wondering because, again, in total, I have cut marks everywhere.
	I went through that.
	Medication's fake.
	That shit is satanic.
	It's literally fucking stupid.
	I mean, what is it?
	You know what helped me?
	You know what helped me and what got me?
	I was diagnosed as manic, depressive, and fucking bipolar, and...
	One time in prison they tried to say I maybe was schizophrenic.
	Don't clip that.
	I'm not.
	But anyway, long story short, you know what fucking helped me?
	What got me to stop cutting?
	I've not cut in over a year.
	And I used to cut a lot.
	I have horrible scars.
	I'd show you.
	But I could show you this.
	I have a lot of scars.
	I had to cover it with a big ass tattoo.
	Point is, exercise.
	Finding something that actually takes your mind is better than getting on meditation.
	Well, yeah.
	Instead of getting on medication, the medication actually drove me to the point where I got bankrupted twice.
	They don't know what they're giving you, bro.
	It's just a bunch of chemicals mixed together.
	It's satanic.
	All that mental illness, all that shit that's fake.
	That's not real.
	That's just what they tell you.
	It's not a diagnosis at this point.
	It's all fake.
	It's all fake.
	And the statistics show that they've not experienced it.
	On facts, you haven't experienced it.
	This is literally a statistic, a study.
	You have not went through it.
	That a psychologist can tell you.
	Who's studying psychology?
	Okay, by psychology.
	What do psychologists say?
	What do they recommend?
	Exercise.
	Yeah, I agree 100%.
	But they still gonna give you the job because they still need the money.
	Do you go to the gym or do you go to therapy?
	I do.
	What is it?
	I don't go to the gym, but I do.
	Emotional damage!
	Those are mutually exclusive.
	It is possible to go to the gym at one point in your day and go to therapy.
	But she doesn't go to the gym, she goes to therapy.
	Well, no, I do.
	What is that?
	Not in place of her therapy.
	Can I finish my sentence, please?
	Okay.
	Instead of going to the gym, what I've done instead that's worked with me is I do outside exercise activities.
	So I do a lot of kayaking, for example.
	I love kayaking.
	Volleyball is another example.
	So it's not like I don't go to the gym, but I do do exercise.
	It's not just...
	Do you think that that's helped you better than if...
	I don't know, you didn't answer if you've been medicated before.
	Do you believe that that actually helped you better?
	Or do you think the medication actually helped you?
	I'm just curious.
	I almost completely agree with you on this.
	Antidepressants, I was on Lexapro, it didn't help me at all.
	Ew, I hated that.
	Yeah, absolutely horrible.
	I will say this, and maybe all of you guys are going to go crazy once I say this, but shrooms, honestly, one that works every couple of months has been the best thing.
	That's not man-made medicine, though.
	It's natural.
	I think, yeah, I agree.
	I think a lot of the medical field is kind of fucked up, but Personally, shrooms, exercise, going outside, absolutely good for your mental health.
	We can agree there.
	I agree with you.
	100% there.
	Is that something I like today?
	W. Shrooms?
	W. Shrooms.
	Say no to drugs, though.
	That shit makes me depressed.
	No, all I was going to say was, because you're saying that women aren't necessarily happy because you're saying mental health is a new thing, etc.
	What I'm saying is that Women are sadder now than ever before because women typically derive their pleasure being around people.
	Women are more social creatures than men are.
	And if you guys had asked us this and you asked, what are women actually superior in?
	I'll tell you.
	Women are socially superior than men.
	Way more socially superior.
	That's why when a girl walks into a room, they can tell, okay, this chick is looking at me funny, etc.
	I mean, probably out of the corner of your eyes, you guys can see that the panel's resenting you guys because you've started a lot of arguments.
	But that's fine because women are socially superior to men.
	But you guys are so fixated on the things I said men are superior to women versus what women are superior.
	So what I'm saying is this.
	What do you put on earth to do?
	What was I put on earth to do?
	What are human beings put on earth to do?
	The population in general.
	Now, since we're put on earth to procreate, how do men accomplish procreation?
	I don't agree with you.
	But I'll entertain you.
	This is going to biology.
	Human beings, you agreed that human beings are put on Earth to procreate.
	Now I'm asking you.
	I don't agree with that.
	What's your answer?
	What a surprise!
	Did you know that people who don't have children actually report being happier in their lives?
	That's not true.
	Anyway.
	It is true.
	There's no way that's true.
	It is fucking true.
	You're just coping.
	So going back to what you were saying.
	So why are human beings put on earth then if it's not appropriate?
	Okay.
	We're not going to agree here and everyone's going to hate on me for this.
	Sure, go ahead.
	What is it?
	I don't think we were put here for a specific purpose.
	I think we decide what our purpose is.
	Because I'm not religious like you guys and you can laugh at it, but hey.
	I'm not religious.
	Woke is the new religion.
	They believe in woke now.
	So let's talk about this from a more scientific and biological perspective.
	Human beings are put on earth to procreate.
	This is why when you bleed, your body does everything to stop you from bleeding with, you know...
	Pouching up the wound, etc.
	This is why you have defense mechanisms to keep you alive so that you can continue your lineage.
	Men and women are put on earth to procreate with each other.
	That is a fact.
	That is not me thinking we're here on earth for spirituality, whatever.
	In general, human beings are put on earth here to procreate.
	This is why men have the sex urges that keep them up at night with boners everywhere and why women are looking for the best guys.
	Now that we've established this foundation that we're put on Earth to procreate, now we've got to establish how do men procreate versus how do women procreate?
	Well, men procreate by creating excess resources to make themselves attractive to a majority of women.
	This is why you look at the animal kingdom, peacocks have their feathers out, lions keep their manes, they fight each other willing to die to do what?
	To mate.
	So whether you guys want to say, we're put on Earth for ourselves or whatever, you look at the rest of the animal kingdom, we're all here to procreate.
	That's why animals kill each other for the ability to mate.
	Now, How do women get across mating?
	Well, women get across mating by being attractive, staying fertile, and young.
	And why do they do this?
	To have children.
	The problem is this.
	You guys have a finite amount of time to accomplish this goal.
	We don't.
	Okay?
	So what I am saying is that feminism is a lie that tells you guys, chase a career, make money, you're going to be successful, and you'll find that man at the end of the line.
	Here's the problem.
	Ostracize yourself from the very men that you want because you have made the money that you want your man to make.
	That man doesn't care about that because we create the excess resources.
	When you create the excess resources, great for you, but you don't give a shit.
	So what I'm simply saying is this.
	Women don't derive the same pleasure from creating resources because it doesn't make you as attractive to the opposite gender to have the final input of having children and family.
	Men get away with that because as we create resources, we become more attractive.
	We can get a mate, have children, and Accomplished.
	Women, on the other hand, you guys got to preserve your value, young, beautiful, get the man, have children.
	And for you guys, you have more dire consequences because women are interested in people.
	And if you don't believe me, why do all the social sciences, why do all the jobs that deal with dealing with people, etc., why are they dominated by women?
	Now you guys can sit here and say, it's a social construct.
	No, it's not.
	It is biology.
	Women overwhelmingly prefer to be around people.
	Women prefer being social.
	This is why they're socially superior to men in every regard.
	And that's just the way it is.
	We're put on earth to procreate and have children and a family.
	And when a woman isn't able to accomplish that, she chases a career, the consequences are dire and depression falls down.
	I have a genuine question for you.
	Sure, go ahead.
	Why is it more likely for women to report being happy or single than in a relationship then, if women are here to report?
	There's data that shows that we're not happy single.
	What?
	I don't think everyone...
	I'm not saying everyone.
	Can you just give us an example then?
	Who's a happy single woman?
	Most reports, most magazines, all that, they're literally talking about women being unhappy in their 30s and 40s.
	That's the majority.
	That's on Cosmo.
	That's on people.
	That's on public things.
	That's on everything.
	That's why I just want to know.
	Can you give an example?
	In the long run, though, can you be happy in the long run?
	That's a separate question.
	What I remember, I'm pretty sure it's pure research.
	I'm sorry, whatever.
	It seems like a really high reason why a lot of women are not happy in a relationship right now or why they report being happy or single is because whenever they're in a relationship and it goes back to one of the first topics we talked about in the night is that it seems like, oh, a lot of women not just are earning the same amount as men, But also doing a bunch of like the household chores and responsibilities.
	So you can go back to like, and hey, maybe we can even agree here for different reasons.
	May I ask you a question?
	What was the age of the women polled that were happy or single?
	I think they were around their late 20s and early 30s.
	Would it be fair to say that the reason why they were happy or single is because women understand, right?
	Being single, right?
	Especially at that, I mean, when women are young and beautiful, okay?
	They don't care about getting in a relationship because the world is their oyster.
	It's not until women start to lose options as they get older that that dark reality sets in that I'm not going to find a mate.
	Because women want a man.
	They do.
	We can sit here and say, I'm a feminist.
	I don't need a man.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	You actually need a man.
	Because it's hardwired in you to find a man.
	Because if you don't, you will not ensure your survival.
	But it seems like women can survive now without men.
	Yes, with the modern conveniences of technology, etc.
	But I always say time doesn't change biological trends.
	You've been programmed for a millennia to find a man to ensure your security.
	I have something to say.
	Can I say something?
	Okay.
	As long as it's intelligent.
	It's experience, which is the most important part.
	You're right.
	You guys are right, for sure, with the statistics, of course.
	It's not easy.
	Have you guys been engaged?
	No.
	Okay, I have.
	I know how marriage works.
	Marriage isn't easy.
	Oh, you get married and that's it.
	Marriage, this is why there's so many divorces.
	Because people do not want to try.
	The whole point of marriage is trying and never giving up.
	Of course it's not going to be easy.
	It's a fucking headache.
	But it's because you choose to be in that.
	You get me?
	Most women divorce because of financial situations.
	That's why they're unhappy in their relationship and or their man is just not alpha.
	And they get bored and tired.
	I think the most cited reason for divorce is irreconcilable differences.
	It's actually finances and you can look it up.
	It is financial.
	It's financial.
	And you're right.
	It is easier to not have kids.
	It's true.
	I have kids.
	I'm experiencing that too.
	It's not fucking easy.
	It's a fucking headache.
	I'm stressed.
	I think long-term monogamy is difficult for everyone though, isn't it?
	I mean, it's difficult for both.
	Long-term monogamy in a relationship is difficult for both sides.
	Of course.
	I mean, it's difficult for women.
	And actually, like you said, more women initiate divorce than men.
	It's like 70% or something.
	But it's also, obviously, guys, you know, they look around as well.
	That's the problem that faces all of us because, you know, it's like, you know, people get together, they get married, and then after a few years, they kind of get bored with each other.
	And that's the other difficulty that everybody has to...
	And I know you're saying that women report being single, being happier.
	That's not true to female biology.
	And it's interesting that the women that were polled were in their 20s because when women in their 20s, they always think that they can do better.
	But that dark reality doesn't set in until you hit your 30s that you can't get the best guy that you used to get when you were 21 versus being 31.
	And I hate to say it, ladies, but your sexual market value is perishable.
	It definitely has a shelf life.
	You only have a small window of time to get the best guy that you can.
	And feminism lies to you guys and tells you that you can.
	The reason why for you, it's like, you don't even think about this because you guys are both in your 20s.
	When you guys hit your 30s or you get closer to your 30s, I promise you, your mindset is going to change.
	Thank you.
	Your mindset is 100% going to change.
	Yes, you have to live it.
	You guys...
	You guys get constantly reaffirmed by men that approach you, by the internet, by Instagram, maybe your Twitch stream, simsitting.
	Oh, you're so beautiful, blah, blah, blah.
	They constantly make you feel better, right, about your situation of being single because you're like, I can always find a man.
	I'm not pressed for this.
	You can't.
	But it's not until you get older.
	I don't see being single as like a situation, though.
	No, it's like you said with your guys' age.
	For you right now, but as you get older, I promise you it's going to change.
	And most women...
	Want a man.
	They might not want to admit it, but they want a man long-term that's going to provide them security.
	I was a strong, independent, young 21-year-old.
	Your tune will change when you get older.
	And I was a feminist, and I was all pro-motherfucking liberal.
	No, I wasn't that far, but who said ew?
	Anyway, I know.
	Disgusting.
	Point is, I've changed.
	I'm 27, so I'm older than y'all.
	Like he said, I'm approaching the wall.
	No, baby.
	Do I have to cry to prove it?
	I'm not going.
	There's a reason why when you look at little boys versus little girls, little boys play with action figures, little girls play house, and they want to walk down an aisle in a white dress.
	Like, every woman down the line wants to get married to the man of their dreams.
	They're just going to disagree.
	They're just going to disagree more.
	They're just going to disagree.
	Social constructs.
	They're not going to change their mind.
	Social constructs.
	It's not going to work.
	It's not about changing their mind.
	It's about showing.
	What?
	You guys keep asserting these things as facts, and maybe this is just for the future or something.
	We're speaking in generalities here.
	Well, not just generalities, but if we're going to talk about how the actual biological reality of people work, you guys even have the basis wrong.
	And I could go into that if you want.
	Have you read The Lessons of a Pillsbury Goat Boy?
	Have you ever heard of that?
	No.
	Okay, so in Applied Behavior Analysis, it's a really good article.
	I strongly recommend reading it.
	It talks about how this idea of nature versus nurture is kind of a false dichotomy.
	And the reason why it explains that is because our environment literally in real time affects our genes or our genetic expression, right?
	So if you are in an environment, for example, if you're raised in an environment that is very abusive, the chances of you developing schizophrenia become a lot higher, even though schizophrenia has a lot of connections with genetics.
	So the whole thing, this is a very simplified version.
	But what I'm trying to express that I'm super schizophrenic.
	What I'm trying to express here is that your biology is directly related to your environment and almost vice versa as well.
	So these, like, things about, like, oh, no, like, it's only biology or, you know, that's it, it's just biology, it doesn't, you're not taking into account the fact that the environment literally will affect your actual biology.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Okay, explain to me how when you go in the black community and black women are raised by single mothers that constantly tell them, niggas ain't shit, niggas ain't shit, fuck niggas, you can do it yourself, blah, blah, blah.
	They still want a strong black man.
	What do you mean?
	Okay, your argument was environment plays a big role and can change their biology.
	I'm telling you, you go in the black community, you have a bunch of single mothers telling their daughters, fuck niggas, you don't need them, blah, blah, blah.
	You have hip-hop music that reinforces this, that men ain't shit, etc.
	I don't want no scrub.
	Beyonce, all the single ladies, constantly reinforcing that men are trash and you don't need them.
	Why is it that black women...
	Overwhelmingly want men, strong black men that are extremely masculine.
	Please explain that to me if environment plays such a role.
	I have a question.
	Please answer the question.
	Because by your logic, they shall all be raging lesbians that hate men.
	Well, I'm not saying that your environment changes at 100%, but what I am saying, what I am interested in hearing is that you're saying, like, isn't there a really high rate of, like, single mothers within the Black community?
	So if you're saying that women are biologically inclined to find a mate and they really want that, even though they hear, like, it's, like, oh shit or whatever, wouldn't they stay with the mate instead of being single mothers if it's, like, their biological imperative?
	No, because they want the But by your logic, you're saying they should hate men and be lesbians because they changed their biology, but they still deal with men.
	Well, I'm not saying your biology has changed 100%.
	No, it's just extremely variable, but it doesn't mean that your sexual orientation is going to change.
	For example.
	But it does mean the factors that you might find attractive or how you process information can change.
	I'm not saying everything has changed, right?
	I'm not saying my environment is going to suddenly change, you know, the fact that I have a vagina.
	Let's use that as an example.
	Like, that's an environment.
	The only reason I see, because here's the problem here.
	You made a point to say your environment plays a critical role in your development where it might even influence your biological needs and wants and hardwiring.
	I'm arguing, regardless of the environment, your biological hardwiring is still going to stand.
	And I use the black community as an example where black men are constantly shit on, ostracized, ridiculed, and made fun of Yeah, black women still overwhelmingly prefer black men when it comes to dating, and on top of that, they want a black, strong, masculine man, which is why the thug frame, aka guys that are thugs and criminals, etc., are so sought after in a black community.
	So even though the women themselves are masculine, they still want a man who's more masculine than themselves, which proves my point, that you can't fight biology.
	You don't think there's environmental factors that push women towards a thug stereotype?
	Oh, now the environment is playing in my favor.
	Well, I'm asking you.
	I'm just wondering.
	I mean, again, as I said before...
	Well, everything in the environment tells them to hate that same thug that they're attracted to.
	Not everything in the environment says that.
	You just said that the rap music literally encourages it.
	Well, no, not feminism.
	No, say fuck nigga free.
	It's the opposite.
	They shit on those guys.
	But doesn't, like, a lot of rap music also, like, glorify the idea that, like, oh...
	And also, you're saying it's coming from women, but the majority of rap music is made by men, no?
	No, it is.
	It is.
	But what I'm saying is that the black women that rap shit on the very men that they're attracted to.
	Yeah, but don't you think black women growing up also consume the male raps?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm a black woman growing up.
	Ladies, ladies, see how you guys are trying to move the goalposts?
	The original argument was that, yo...
	Your social upbringing cannot change biologically hardwired traits in you.
	Experience right here.
	It's not like a black and white thing.
	That's what I'm trying to get across.
	He's just making a comparison about your upbringing because you said your biology can change by your upbringing.
	I was raised by a diverse family of feminism.
	Why do you think you never see bad bitches talking about this, man?
	Because they're finding a man.
	They started a family, man.
	It's just like, God damn, bro.
	Last thoughts?
	Can we start last thoughts right here?
	No, no, no.
	Alright, here?
	Yeah.
	Last thoughts on the panel?
	Did you enjoy the show?
	Do you think we're misogynists?
	What do you think?
	I think that I should say thank you to DJ Talks for getting me on.
	Follow me.
	Yes, thank you.
	Thank you.
	There he goes.
	Yay!
	Follow me on Instagram, yes, c.
	I also feel like...
	What did you learn from the show?
	I learned to shut the fuck up.
	Thank you.
	I'll see you soon at SLS. Yes.
	Zina, did you learn anything from the show?
	Nope.
	Yes, I learned that.
	Nope.
	Yes, I always learn something.
	I learned that sometimes women just fucking argue to argue.
	We just want to hear ourselves talk.
	Talk, yeah.
	And we're emotional.
	I want to apologize to some of my people watching.
	Sorry, I got emotional.
	I was drinking, and I'm a woman, so I got triggered.
	All right.
	Follow me on Instagram, XenaTheWitcher.
	Subscribe to my OnlyFans simps.
	What did you learn today?
	Don't.
	Say strong simps.
	Don't do it.
	I'm going to teach something right now.
	There's absolutely nothing wrong with what you guys said.
	You guys were super right.
	And...
	You're going to have an amazing future.
	You guys are going to learn.
	You guys are going to understand later on.
	And I just hope you guys the best.
	And I hope you guys learn everything and stuff.
	And we're doomed.
	I hope you adopt one day later on.
	You guys are both going to have an amazing family.
	And we're doomed.
	Society is doomed.
	The West is done.
	The West is over.
	Imagine getting married to that man.
	That's what I learned.
	For me, I think the West is doomed.
	I think that my gut feeling about this, and we'll put statistics aside, is that biology trumps Thank you.
	That's my gut feeling.
	Follow me on YouTube at RealTroyFrancis, on Twitter at RealTroyFrancis and on Instagram at RealTroyFrancis for all your dating coaching needs.
	Thank you.
	You're a dating coach?
	Yes.
	But y'all never let him talk.
	The people who haven't been on a date talk about dating more than dating coaches.
	Just chatting.
	Just talking.
	I disagree with the book.
	Can I ask a question?
	This is my first time being on here.
	I enjoyed hearing everybody debate.
	I didn't talk much.
	What are your thoughts on this?
	Did you change your mind?
	Did you learn anything?
	I learned a lot.
	Who do you side with?
	Who do you think is right?
	Who do I think is right?
	There's so many different points that some they were right on and some you guys were right on.
	Do you think attraction is socialized or biologically hardwired?
	No.
	In general.
	Both, yeah.
	Let's just say both.
	Okay, cool.
	What do you think?
	Well, thank you for having me.
	Of course.
	It was great to meet you all.
	Well, what I learned is, I mean, everybody has their own, you know, input.
	Okay.
	And...
	I don't know.
	Me?
	What?
	Who said that?
	He's joking.
	He's joking.
	That was...
	He's such a hater.
	That's what it is.
	Someone heard him.
	And I respect everyone's opinion, you know?
	But yeah, I mean...
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I didn't hear anything from you.
	Are you Santa Glees, by the way?
	No.
	A lot of people think I'm African.
	I'm Caribbean.
	Oh, my fault, my fault.
	What part?
	Trinidad and Jamaica.
	Wow.
	Bumble glut.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Any thoughts on the panel?
	Did you learn anything?
	Are you exhausted?
	I think we could have spoken about multiple other topics other than just staying on one.
	I would ask them their last thoughts, but I really don't want to hear them talk anymore.
	Is it that or is it that you don't want to hear the thing that I took away from this panel?
	Is it the fact that even though you're physically stronger than me this year, And we established that pole dancing is not that physically demanding.
	Sneeko, let it be.
	Let the record show.
	You refuse to get up on that pole.
	I want to see Sneeko pole dance.
	You're better at pole dancing than me, and I still don't even want to see it.
	Please.
	We're talking about how you dodged it.
	You'll have to take that from her, okay?
	Yo, Henny Chris activated, man.
	Fuck that shit, man.
	Last thoughts on the panel?
	But I had fun.
	I like talking to all y'all.
	I had a great time.
	Myron had a great time debating with you.
	Y'all took the hell.
	Y'all took the hell.
	I don't think you guys like talking to me.
	That's completely fine.
	No!
	No!
	Nobody has animosity towards you guys.
	You're an intellectual young ladies, you're still young, you have time to learn.
	The issue that I was having is that you...
	You do need to learn how to...
	Okay, no more, no more arguing, man, please!
	You guys will have a lot of time to learn about life.
	I'm not even getting paid for this shit, I'm hosting this shit.
	This ain't my fucking show!
	I can be doing my own shit, where's Fresh?
	Fresh, fuck this shit, Fresh!
	Get your black ass back to black man, this shit fucking sucks!
	Fuck!
	Fuck!
	Fresh, come back!
	Save me!
	What the hell is he going?
	What the hell is he going?
	I think the main takeaway here is, y'all better appreciate Fresh some more, man.
	Let's say it easy.
	Bro, Fresh went and dipped out and started twinking at the club three hours ago.
	Four hours!
	I'm not getting paid, man.
	Yo, if y'all want to help, Sneak, go out.
	Go to the joint of the creativity.
	Help me out, man.
	Fuck that.
	I'm going to therapy.
	Fuck the gym.
	Fuck all this shit.
	I'm going to beat my knee and watch porn.
	I'm sick of this, bro.
	Fuck it.
	Hey!
	I'm the baddest bitch in the world!
	Hey!
	Hey!
	I'm the baddest bitch in the world!
	- No, subscribe! - Subscribe! - Chris, guys, join the creativity kit All the ladies' Instagrams are below.
	Make sure to go ahead and send a dick pic, especially to the feminists.
	They really love that.
	I'll catch you guys on the next one.

▲