Jania Kellek announces a campaign to propel her book, "Kill to Order," from Amazon's 131st spot into the top 100 by midnight to secure major bestseller listings. She details China's alleged $9 billion forced organ harvesting industry, estimated at 60,000 to 90,000 annual transplants, involving Falun Gong practitioners and Uyghurs under Project 981. Kellek highlights Western complicity, cites Putin and Xi's reported discussion on longevity organs, and urges support for bipartisan bills like the Stop Forced Organ Harvesting Act to end this trade and expose CCP infiltration in global medical systems. [Automatically generated summary]
This is kind of, this is kind of a crazy moment for me.
I'm Jania Kellek.
I'm senior editor at the Epoch Times.
And I have been working on this book, Kill to Order.
Let me see if I've got a copy.
I was setting them up behind me so I could actually, this is the book.
It's called Kill to Order.
I've been working on the issue of forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience for the better part of 20 years.
On and off, okay.
There were some rough spells.
Let's just say for the longest time, no one really wanted to touch this issue.
Okay.
Nobody wanted to think about it.
I would talk to people.
They would just sort of imagine.
I don't know what they were thinking, right?
But it was the same kind of thing I experienced when I first heard about the idea that prisoners of conscience could be incarcerated and basically used as kind of a living organ donor pool, like a stable of people, innocent people to be killed for organs for profit and elite longevity.
This was just kind of a mind-blowing thing and just not, my mind didn't want to go there, didn't want to accept it, okay?
And now, so in the last few years, it's gotten better in terms of like what people are willing to understand.
It hasn't gotten better in terms of this horrible murder industry happening in communist China under the Chinese Communist Party, but it's gotten better.
People are more ready to accept it.
So I've written this book.
It's called Killed to Order, China's Organ Harvesting Industry and the True Nature of America's Biggest Adversary.
And by the way, the book can be gotten at killedtoorder.com.
That's the Amazon link.
That's kind of the easiest way to buy it.
And why am I going after this?
You know, why am I doing this cast?
Well, the crazy, so this is not a mainstream issue where it hasn't been up to now.
It hasn't been for a long time, right?
And somehow, you know, I was just looking on Amazon and on Amazon, it's the number 131 book on all of Amazon.
It's kind of unbelievable.
Okay.
And we could even break the top 100.
And people tell me that if I can break the top 100 with this book, that it might actually get on some of these bigger bestseller lists like New York Times and USA Today and others, which would be massive.
Why would it be massive?
Because a whole lot more bookstores will pick it up.
Basically, this issue, which has really been the Chinese Communist Party has done its absolute best to relegate kind of to the fringes of society, right?
To the edge of the edge of the edge will become a mainstream thing and we'll be able to actually tackle it.
I mean, the whole thing is unbelievable.
I mean, there's this whole element of our own complicity of Western countries, whether you're in the USA or Canada.
Like we actually train some of these surgeons that do this, that do this kill to order.
We send various technologies and solutions, like things that are actually used to do the transplantation itself to China.
You know, China exports a whole lot of stuff.
We know that.
But some of the sort of higher tech stuff, some of these very specific solutions to prevent organ rejection and other things for operations, we actually send there.
If you're dialing in here, if you're listening and you don't actually know what I'm talking about, let me explain.
Okay.
In communist China, there is a kill to order industry.
What it is, it's a very extreme form of organ trafficking, like something like we've frankly never seen before and never couldn't conceive because the technology really didn't actually exist to do it.
Okay, so it's a very unusual situation.
You kind of, you need to have a state actor, unlike a black market organ ring, which even in America and Canada and other places, these exist, right?
But here, this is under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party, of the state.
Okay, they're basically controlling.
They control two critical things to be able to achieve this.
Okay.
Number one is that they're able to basically push massive propaganda through a system, massive propaganda through their whole society.
They control all of the means of media or let's be honest and just actually call it propaganda.
So what they can do with that, and they've been expert at this over years, okay, is that they actually can dehumanize entire groups of people.
In communist China, they started with the landowners back in the day, right?
Communist revolution happens.
They want to seize that land from people.
So they demonize these people.
They say, all everything that's wrong in our society, these people took it from you.
This land deserves, you deserve this land, the people, and everyone that's on our side.
And we're going to take it from these really evil people that stole it from you.
And actually, it's okay to kill them too if they don't repent, if they don't admit to the horrible things that they've done.
I'm saying that in quotes.
Of course, this wasn't the case in most cases.
Most people probably earned it honestly.
But now we have this situation where a whole group of people is dehumanized.
And that happened with the landowners.
There were many different groups over the years, right?
During the Culture Revolution, there were, you know, I don't know if you guys ever saw this three-body problem on Netflix, amazing series, like crazy science fiction series.
At the beginning, they show what this actually looked like.
They have this scientist and the guy is going to, like, he's refusing to basically say that the sky is green in essence, right?
They're demanding that he profess his guilt and all sorts of stuff, but he's not going to have it.
He's not going to have it.
And his daughter's watching and they actually kill him in the process of this re-education struggle session.
And then she becomes a nihilist and says, aliens come and come and kill us.
I mean, basically, but that's the part that deviates from reality now, okay?
So they've been doing this for decades, for decades.
And in 1989, just before the Tian Men's Square massacre, they did this to the student movement.
There was a student democracy movement, which some of you will be familiar with.
They crushed it.
5,000 to 10,000 people were murdered in cold blood by the People's Liberation Army, which by the way is not the army of the China.
It's the army of the Chinese Communist Party.
It's as if like the conservative or the Liberal Party in Canada or the Republican or Democrat Party in America had an army.
That's what the People's Liberation Army is.
Okay.
1999, they pick a new group.
And this new group, it's actually Falun Gong practitioners.
So some of you may not be familiar with Falun Gong.
It's an ancient spiritual discipline, okay, based on truthfulness, compassion, and tolerance.
These are the principles that people are living.
But even more so, it's not just truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance.
Another way to translate it might be to be true, good, and endure.
So this is what people are living, to be true, good, and endure.
Okay.
Incredible.
This is the way a lot of people were living.
70 to 100 million people.
It grows in this massively grassroots way.
People all over the country start doing it.
High-level Communist Party officials, all the way down to, you know, basically migrant field workers.
They're all practicing this truthfulness, compassion, and tolerance.
Grows to 70 to 100 million people, bigger than the Chinese Communist Party.
Okay.
And then the Chinese Communist Party decides we're going to wipe it out.
In fact, it was the dictator, the top leader at the time who decided this.
And even his top echelon had to agree with him.
They weren't actually for it.
They were actually against it.
Right.
So he forces this through.
And now the whole machinery of the Chinese Communist Party, the whole system grinds into motion.
Okay.
Number one, dehumanizing these people.
Propaganda straight out of 1930s Germany.
This is what we're talking about.
This extreme vilifying demonization happens.
Okay.
And the second part is that they were able to incarcerate a whole bunch of people because it turns out that Falun Gong practitioners don't re-educate very easily.
In fact, they don't re-educate very easily at all.
And this creates a situation, a kind of a massive crisis because they have to try to re-educate them.
So they incarcerate them.
And there's this rule in the prisons that comes in that says all Falun Gong practitioner deaths will be considered suicides.
In other words, you can work on these people to whatever end.
Okay, so now here's the setup for kill to order.
Okay, you have a massive group of people that have been dehumanized throughout the entire population.
Okay.
Even though before they were in some cases, they were like model citizens, right?
They were, you know, unusually honest, right?
Unusually helpful, all that.
Now they're basically considered to be lesser citizens.
And this is actually, this is an interesting point.
See, there's a quirk in our psychology.
We can't actually do horrible things to people, normal human beings.
I'm not talking about psychopaths.
That's an exception.
Okay.
We can't do terrible things to people unless we're kind of tricked into believing that they're lesser than us, that they're dangerous to society, that they're causing a problem, that they're pariahs, that they're not, you know, playing along, they're not rowing in the right direction with the rest of us.
And so this is what they did.
And since these people proved unusually difficult to re-educate, to break, essentially, this is what it was, okay?
They incarcerated a million, maybe two million.
In 2005, I remember I was there at the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva.
There was a man named Manfred Novak, who was the special rapporteur on torture at the time.
He basically said that half of all the people, this is what they documented.
You can find it on the kind of UN pages on the internet.
That half of all the people doing this practice were Falun Gong practitioners that were in the incarceration system.
So, I mean, it's a massive incarceration system over there.
Okay.
They've got prisons.
They've got black jails, right?
The sort of prisons that aren't even official.
Okay.
Then they have re-education camps.
Then they have re-education through labor camps.
They say they got rid of those.
Okay.
All sorts of, and just various types of labor camps and so forth.
So this massive system, half of all the people in this massive system were actually Falun Gong practitioners.
And here's the real setup for kill to order.
They start blood typing these people.
Okay.
They start tissue typing these people.
They start organ scanning these people.
Okay.
And now they have a database.
They can put all this information into a database.
And now here you have this setup.
Okay.
Because back in 2005, Jacob Levy, he was the head of the Israeli Transplant Association back in the day.
Now he was just a professor of medicine at Tel Aviv University of transplant surgery.
He had a patient he was going to do, who needed a transplant badly.
And the guy tells him, I'm tired of waiting.
I'm going to China.
It's going to get done in two weeks.
And Jakob Levy was shocked and stunned, child of Holocaust survivors, you know, very moral man.
And he couldn't believe it because he heard two things that are basically impossible, okay?
Completely impossible in any reasonable situation, any ethical transplantation system.
Why?
Because in an ethical transplantation system, you basically need to have a catastrophic accident.
Usually it's a motorcycle accident or a car accident or something like this.
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Okay.
And when this happens, you also have to have a situation where someone's blood type, tissue type, and organ size is actually the right size, right?
And you get all these things together and there's a catastrophic accident.
It's rare for the person to match you.
That's why you may wait months or years before you get that transplant.
Okay.
Here's the deal.
In communist China, in communist China, that person, that so-called donor is a prisoner of conscience already in the prison system, already waiting, already blood type, tissue type, already predetermined.
Okay, pre-matched to this person that's coming in and paying the hundred grand or 200 grand or whatever it is that they charge, which it's a lot of money.
It has changed over the years, but there were literally ads before 2006 that would say this before we started reporting on this.
And it kind of went more underground.
But basically, it's pre-matched.
And then you can ship that person to the place where the operation is going to happen and kill them to order.
That's why my book is called Killed to Order.
Okay, killtoorder.com.
That's the Amazon link.
What I'm trying to do here is I'm trying to break through the top 100 on Amazon.
Okay.
We're at number 131 right now.
The deadline is tonight at midnight.
This is what I'm told.
This is the first week of bestselling.
This book, I mean, this is kind of beyond my wildest dreams, what I expected.
I mean, this is not, it's people called it like a niche subject.
People were saying, you know, not in, no one's going to read it.
It's a number 131 on Amazon right now, on U.S. Amazon.
All books, all books.
I mean, and so it's really, it's kind of like there's a buzz.
People are interested in it.
People are buying it.
I know because I've seen some of the reviews.
It was kind of crazy.
Like I actually, they told me that I had to get a lot of endorsements, right?
And if you look in here, right, you can see Dr. Phil, that's the top endorsement.
I mean, that was wild, right?
His, and man, he has such a heart for this issue.
I couldn't believe it.
Like, I just, I, I've met amazing people along the way.
Mike Rowe is another one that's inside.
I'll show you.
But we all like the foreword is actually by Ambassador Sound Brownback.
He's the ambassador for international religious freedom, Dr. Joseph Varin during COVID.
Okay, Varin was such a hero.
He actually, I think it's like 220 days.
Okay.
He worked treating COVID patients, like basically from the beginning of the pandemic, every day, boom, boom, boom, boom.
He didn't, you know, didn't go home because you needed to save lives.
These are, these are the types of people.
In here, you know, I've got Mike Rowe.
Mike Rowe, actually, we had an episode.
We had a podcast that he did with me a while.
Let's see if I can actually open this book.
It's a little, I haven't opened this one before, but yeah.
So anyway, you can see like Mike Rowe's big, you know, huge, huge, like I'm just so honored by these people that really got behind this.
Robert Kiyosaki, that's a name that you'll hear about often.
Again, you know, fierce anti-communist too, I might add, amazing.
Rob Schneider, massive heart for this.
You know, so killtoorder.com, if you want to be a part of it, like, I mean, this is almost kind of like a movement, right?
A movement to get killed to order across the top 100 on Amazon.
Okay.
What that'll do, this is what I'm being told.
It'll get, it might get on the larger bestseller lists.
And if it gets there, then a whole lot of different bookstores and other kind of smaller sellers will actually get into the game.
They'll see how interested people are in this book, and it will just get this much wider berth than it's ever gotten.
And I don't mean the book, I mean the issue.
The thing is, the book, about a third of it is about the issue, about how this forced organ harvesting works, which I just described to you, which is just, you know, David Matis, one of the original hero researchers of it, described it as an evil yet to be seen on this planet, right?
Finally, I think we can get this issue.
I remember like we just had this massive opening with Rob Schneider at the Kennedy Center, okay?
Wild, wild stuff.
It was actually, there were tornado warnings.
I was wondering if this was, you know, sort of a, you know, bizarre level of interference.
I was, I was thinking it might even be, you know, kind of information operations.
I don't know, the weather didn't look good.
Turned out there was no tornado.
Turnout wasn't, it wasn't so bad.
We still had 400 people come.
You know, that is still pretty darn huge.
And a lot of people from government.
So like HHS was there.
I saw people from the State Department.
I saw, I mean, this is, we're talking about people that can actually make a difference on this issue.
There were questions asked about, you know, what can someone in government do by someone who was very much in government.
And I said, you know, you can actually give access to the data so we can see if, for example, or not if we know that there are these financial connections.
You know, we fund research programs with universities, with schools and hospitals in China that are involved in this kill to order industry.
Okay.
That needs to stop.
There's no reason for this.
It's kind of, it's crazy, right?
And by the way, so let's get to the evidence.
Okay, by the way, okay, project is to get this book across.
We're at 131 right now on Amazon.
We want to get into the top 100 on Amazon.
I really need your help.
Okay.
Go to killedtoorder.com, get the book.
I would be incredibly appreciative of this.
But frankly, not just me.
I think anyone involved in this movement, anyone understanding some of the crimes against humanity that are happening in communist China will be appreciative.
Listen, the first 14 or 15 years that this was happening, it was predominantly Felen Gong practitioners that were being used.
Okay, these practitioners of the spiritual discipline, truthfulness, compassion, forbearance, all walks of society.
But when no one did anything, this is the horrible thing.
Okay.
When no one did anything, what happens is they picked another group.
Okay.
And this was the Uyghur people.
The Uyghur people in the northwest of China, very vulnerable group.
Okay.
They look different.
It's an ethnic minority, also a religious minority.
They're Muslim.
It's a police state up there.
It functions as a police state.
They're blood typing and tissue typing, not just people even in the prisons, even though they incarcerated a million plus of them and also dehumanized them horribly with this state propaganda.
They're even blood typing and tissue typing people in their homes over there.
The whole place functions as a kind of a large prison camp or sorts.
Horrible thing.
My point here is that when we don't do anything, when we just kind of look away and it's easy to look away, believe me, I was there.
I mean, for me, that was 20 years ago.
Okay.
It's easy to look away, but this is really a crime against humanity.
And the thing is, it spreads.
If you're wondering to yourself right now, hey, wait a sec, you know, let's talk about America.
We've got big problems here.
Let's talk about Canada.
We've got really big problems here.
Why are we talking about something way over there?
Right.
Well, number one, there's a reason we have a genocide convention.
Okay.
The genocide convention is based on the idea of never again, right?
We never want to have something like the Holocaust, something in that scale, right?
In that realm of activity, right?
crime against humanity, atrocities being perpetrated.
We never want to see that.
The problem is when you don't sort of stop it somewhere, it spreads.
And just like in Germany in the 1930s, it started, you know, with disabled people.
They were made lesser than.
They were kind of dehumanized.
And there were all sorts of groups that were added, right?
And, you know, for a lot of people, I'm Polish, right?
My background.
My parents escaped communist Poland in the 70s.
A lot of people don't know, for example, that after the Germans were planning to eliminate the entirety of the Jewish people, Poles were Polish people were pretty high.
Next on the list, there were a number of groups there, right?
So it wasn't, they had a very serious project going on here.
And a lot, like, it's just, so it's this forced organ harvesting, this kill to order.
By the way, killtoorder.com, that's the place you can get the book.
I want to encourage you to get it.
Get the hardcover.
That counts the most towards this bestseller status that we're aiming to get, that we're trying to get to here.
It spreads.
And it starts with a group like Felon Gong, peaceful, innocent people incarcerated en masse, used as unwilling organ donors for rich super elites around the world, especially Chinese super elites.
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And then also for this longevity.
By the way, let me talk about that for a moment here, okay?
Do you guys remember the hot mic moment that happened some time ago?
I think it was in September, okay?
My phone starts buzzing like crazy, okay?
People know I'm into this kill to order issue, this, by the way, it's killtoorder.com.
That's where you get, that's where you get the book, just to remind for if you're just coming online right now.
But yeah, this hot mic issue, this hot mic moment was just completely crazy.
What happens is, okay, let me paraphrase the conversation, okay?
It started like, starts like this.
And this is like, these are, this is Xi Jinping, the top leader of China and Vladimir Putin, the top leader of Russia, and Kim Jong-un, the top leader of North Korea, all walking in Tianmen Square, watching a military parade.
And they get caught on a hot mic.
She says to Putin, so when we're 70, we're just babies.
Paraphrased, of course, right?
Putin responds, unbelievably, okay, unbelievably, through continual organ transplantation, perhaps we can achieve immortality.
And she says, our target's 150 years.
What?
Okay, so so many things go through my mind at this moment.
So many things, right?
Because I've known for years that there's an elite longevity project that the Chinese Communist Party has been running.
That's Project 981.
If you want to read a fantastic article about that on the Epoch Times website at theepochtimes.com, look up Project 981, okay?
Look up Project 981.
And that is the Elite Longevity Project.
Eva Fu, amazing journalist focusing on China and I wrote this piece all about the elite longevity project a while back.
Okay.
So I knew this super elite longevity project existed.
And by the way, by some measures, we're talking about 10 years increase in life.
That might be communist propaganda.
I don't know.
But that's how they sell it.
10 years longer.
Right.
What about the rest of us?
Right.
What about the rest of us?
How is it that these people get these 10 years?
And I imagined it was like blood transfusions, for example, or like really good diet or access to this top-tier healthcare system that most Chinese could only ever dream about.
What hadn't occurred to me that, of course, these unlimited availability of organ transplants to Chinese super elites was a centerpiece of Project 981 of the Elite Longevity Project.
It hadn't even occurred to me before.
Isn't that crazy?
Like we kind of compartmentalize things in our minds, right?
Where sometimes, and it came together to me at that particular moment.
And I realized, of course, and there was even this really kind of crazy situation where someone had sent me an obituary some years back.
And you get these like creepy type obituaries from time to time that happen.
Not obituaries, but just various types of creepy material.
Like there was another, there was this police chief, for example, who I talk about in the book, who kind of, I don't know, says the talks about how amazing it is to watch organs being removed from prisoners' bodies and all this crazy stuff.
I mean, really creepy, horrible stuff.
This was an obituary.
Someone's writing in it.
This was a state level minister.
And they're basically writing in there that isn't it amazing that this person had like three organs transplanted or multiple organs transplanted.
And that's that extended their life.
And it just, I didn't, again, I just sort of look at these things.
It was kind of sitting on my desk or sitting deep in a file folder on a computer or whatever.
And suddenly it had a whole lot of different significance.
Okay.
So folks, for those of you just logging in right now, we're looking, this is the project here is to get the book Killed to Order right now, number 131 on the Amazon list.
I mean, I still can't believe it.
This is like, this is the kill to order murder for organs from prisoners of conscience in China, incarcerated prisoners of conscience in China, the Chinese regime system, systematic killing of prisoners of innocent people for organ transplants to a massive scale.
We're talking about 60 to 90,000 transplants per year.
And that's actually a low bound.
That's a low estimate.
This book explains it all.
And more importantly, more importantly, it doesn't just explain that, but it also talks about how this is really kind of the perfect lens to understand how communist China actually works.
And that's incredibly important because I feel like so many of our policymakers, so many of our leaders around in the free world have really not gotten it.
And I really try to tackle that in here as well.
But this is kind of the first time I'm killtoorder.com.
That's the link.
I want to encourage everyone at killedtoorder.com to go and basically click on that, buy the book, buy it today, buy it before midnight tonight, buy it right now.
And that may actually get us up above the top 100 on Amazon.
And that may get us to the big bestseller lists, New York Times, USA Today.
There's other ones.
And if we achieve that, I think we might actually be able to blow this issue totally out of the water.
Like this is one of these issues.
Like it's the most nonpartisan thing you could possibly imagine, right?
Don't kill innocent people for organs at scale.
Okay.
It's not okay to kill people to give wealthy people and super elite people organs.
It's not acceptable.
And I mean, it's shocking.
You're probably flabbergasted that someone actually has to say this, right?
But in America, actually in every Western country, there's complicity.
And the complicity in the most simplest ways is, you know, in many cases in the U.S., for sure, we've trained some of those surgeons that do these horrible operations.
And this is, you know, and what Communist China has done, this is horrible because, you know, the profession of a surgeon, that is one of the most trusted professions.
It should be, right?
Like you're letting someone go into your body and do things in there.
I mean, who do you let that happen?
I mean, these people should be really the pinnacle of society, the pinnacle of morality, the pinnacle of ability.
And the Chinese Communist Party has turned a whole profession of transplant surgeons in China into murderers.
And one of the things I talk about in the book is how they're sort of expert at eliciting our complicity.
And I mean, and this works in kind of small ways, right?
Like, I'll give an example.
This is actually something my mother experienced in communist Poland back in the day.
She escaped in 1970, right?
My family had to escape.
But basically, she wasn't like this big activist or something like that.
What she was, she was just someone who kind of passively resisted.
She didn't like the system.
She tried to stay away from the communists.
She tried to not participate.
But one day she got called in, you know, to state security and she was like, you know, comrade, please tell us what this and this person did last night.
We need to know.
This is really for the for the group, right?
This is this is for the for the party, for society.
And she, you know, by the way, these steely-eyed, cold people that run state security, you can't really do, you can't really like say no to them.
But so what she said was, I'm not really made out to do this kind of thing.
And they did let her go, but they took her passport.
They basically made it so that she couldn't made her life more difficult at this point, right?
But in other places, in other situations, this happened in communist China often, right?
Well, the response to that, when you say, well, I'm not really made out to do it, they'll say, well, comrade, and my mother didn't have kids is, well, my, my associate is over at the school right now with your kid, for example.
Are you sure?
And we wouldn't want to, you know, wouldn't want anything to happen to them, right?
So we want to make sure they're safe.
And now you're stuck in this no-win situation.
You have to choose.
Do I tell on my spouse, let's say, or whoever it is that you're being asked to tell on?
Or do I risk the threat of something happening to my daughter?
And you'll typically pick this sort of situation.
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Okay.
You'll typically pick saving your daughter, right?
Actually.
So anyway, my point is that this system, what it does is it actually reduces your moral high ground systemically, reduces your moral high ground in a massive way.
Okay.
And it does it step by step, incrementally, until it kind of eats away at your soul and you know you've done wrong.
Okay.
So this is part of actually what I talk about in killtoorder.com.
It's not just about this horrible forced organ harvesting industry.
It's also about how the Chinese Communist Party works, the mind of the communists, how they try to kind of destroy you from the inside out.
All right, folks, I'm going to look and I've got some notes here.
Let me take a look here at what we've got.
Okay, I've got, right, so I have some great people working with me and they're giving me some reminders.
Okay.
She said, make sure to mention the deadline.
I mentioned it a few times.
Okay.
Tonight, midnight is the bestseller list deadline.
So if you go to killtoorder.com, you get that, you get, hit the Amazon link.
By the way, you don't have to just go to Amazon.
You can get it on a whole lot of different places.
You can go to Barnes ⁇ Noble.
You can go to your local bookstore.
And that's actually great.
If you actually do it, get them to order the book.
Maybe they'll order several books.
Tell them it's a bestseller in all these categories on Amazon.
You can look, you can check yourself right now, right?
All these places.
I mean, it's like, it's even, you know, one of these top line categories is like, let me see what politics and social sciences is like one of the top categories, just under all books on Amazon.
And right now we're at number four in that category, right?
Never mind communism and socialism, number one.
That's been for a week or two now.
Same with Asian politics and so forth.
So anyway, what I'm trying to get to here is that I'm trying to encourage you, let's join the momentum, join this kind of movement, get the book, read it, share it with others.
This is something you can also do.
If you're someone that has already understands this is real, cares about it, reads the EPOC Times often, get a few books.
You know, give them to your friends.
Make sure your local library has them.
That's another thing you can do.
Request it from your local library.
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That's a big deal, right?
But the goal is to do it all before today at midnight because, well, it'll still matter after.
It'll still matter after.
And please do if that's what has to happen.
But if you do it before midnight tonight, it's a big deal because whatever individual sales we get, whatever individuals will be sales we get are actually going to count to best sell to this bestseller status, to get us to cross that top 100 threshold on Amazon, to get on some of these bigger lists.
I mean, I don't know if they're going to let this book on, right?
This book is obviously highly controversial, okay?
This is something that, frankly, all of these international organizations, most of them, there's a few exceptions.
I can actually mention them, but basically I kind of downplayed, they said, play nice with China.
You know, we don't, we don't want to do anything that might hurt their feelings.
And I'm like, well, maybe they should stop killing people to order.
Maybe they should stop killing innocent prisoners of conscience for large profits, you know, 60 to 90,000 transplants per year, or for the elite, for their elites, their super elites.
And by the way, I want to mention this, right?
We estimate it's about a $9 billion annual industry.
That's kind of a decent estimate from this 60 to 90,000 range, right?
A heart can be $100,000, $200,000, right?
It's a lot.
Okay.
This is the, it's a $9 billion annual industry, but what would it be worth?
Okay.
What would it be worth if you're someone who has no moral boundary?
You're ready to do anything to live.
Okay.
Which is, this is the Chinese Communist Party leadership.
They've stepped over a lot of bones to get to where they are.
Okay.
If you're willing to do that, what is it worth to you to have unlimited on-demand organs available to you forever until you die?
And someone, I was talking with someone about this on a podcast.
I'm really grateful to a whole lot of people that have had me on their podcasts and TV shows to get us to this 131.
By the way, you know, again, the project, let's break that top 100, right?
Go to killtoarder.com.
If you order today, it's like, that's like 10 times the impact if you get the book today before midnight, then afterwards.
But it's still, it's still worth it either way, right?
It's they basically said that it's worth everything.
This person on the other side, if you're someone with no morals and you're willing to kill, have people kill to order and you're willing to have multiple organ transplants, you know, that that is dangerous too, but it can extend your life if your organ's failing.
And we know it's happened to at least a few people, multiple transplants.
They said that's worth everything.
That's way more than $9 billion a year.
I agree.
I agree with that.
All right.
Let's see what else we've got here.
Oh, yeah.
So people, there's people actually joining across many, many different platforms.
I'm doing this live stream.
Thank you for, you know, actually, it's funny because I'm sitting here in front of my phone, right?
But this phone is connected, all these different platforms.
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I'm not even sure which ones.
Hopefully it's all of my the platforms that I'm on.
So thank you for joining us.
Maybe tell me in the chat where you're from.
Actually, my team is gonna drop it up here.
I've got i've got one sort of amazing producer Irene, who's uh doing a lot on this uh, kind of behind the scenes to help actually make this happen.
I'm a little bit of a you know people, I i'm not quite a boomer, i'm gen x but but I need a little bit help on the tech side.
Um so um yeah, let us know where you're from.
Uh let, if you have read the book, if you've, let us know what you think of it.
Right, that would be huge.
Um and uh, and oh wait I, I actually have a cash Cashaz Dawn on instagram.
He says, YAN, have the exhibits, bodies in motion and bodies, human been investigated in 2009?
I saw it.
I asked the curator what the art techniques were used and she said no, these were human prisoners from China.
Okay, I see that's, that's fascinating okay, so there were these exhibits.
There were two companies that were made of.
Uh, I mean, I don't, I don't even know how to explain this to you.
Okay, I don't know how to explain this to you, but to, in a nutshell, there's a guy named Gunther Von Haagen created a technology called plastination.
Okay, and what, Gunther Von Haagen did he?
They wouldn't let him build his, he was German.
His factory in Germany, they built it in in China, in Dallion, in Dalian province, I believe.
And uh, what it is is it takes a human body and it transforms it into plastic.
Okay, but with all of the detail in the inside the body.
And then what they would do with these bodies right is, they would kind of slice them in different ways.
So now you can see the inside of the body and these were, like you know, kind of not like an installation piece, almost like an art exhibit, except they were sold as kind of like, look at the great anatomy, you can learn.
So these are real bodies that have been converted through this plastination process into plastic.
Okay, now here's the crazy part.
Some, of course, these companies, said, yes, we all, all this was all done consensual, everyone gave their body to science to do this, right.
But some of the bodies, very early on, were discovered to have bullet holes in the back of the head okay, and so they got rid of those.
I don't, I don't remember which company that was, but one of them had this situation.
So you know, and this is, this is a horrible reality.
This is in the early 2000s.
This is when the Felong practitioners were started.
The persecution began.
All Falun Gong deaths will be considered suicides.
I mean, how hard is it to imagine that these people who have so little they have contempt for human life, especially for these people that have been dehumanized?
Why not monetize that?
Why not sell some bodies to the bodies exhibits or whatever they're called?
Um, you know again, I don't want to focus on any one specific company.
There were two companies and between them, but you, it's almost impossible.
And of course, they can forge the birth certificates.
They've done a lot of that, even at the Olympics, I remember right, there was all sorts of debates about the ages of different athletes, but never mind, like you know, in effect, corpses.
So it this opened up, and it's this weird idea, Matt Robertson, who has this amazing uh thesis uh, phd thesis, which just published last year on this whole issue.
You can look him up, right?
He's the author.
He's the author of a very important paper.
I'm going to tell you about in a moment.
But basically, Matthew Robertson called this process extractive repression.
Extractive repression means like, yeah, you can get rid of a group of people.
You can repress them hard, but why not monetize it?
Why not make money while you're doing it?
I mean, this, this is the crazy logic.
So kill to order, right?
What I write about, I have a theory or hypothesis about how it actually began.
I'm going to tell you that in a moment.
Meanwhile, let me just remind everyone what it is that we're doing here, why I'm on here.
We have a historic once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get the issue of forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience into the mainstream, vaulted into the mainstream.
Okay.
There have been books written about this issue in the past.
They have not gotten the play they deserve.
They're amazing books, The Slaughter by Ethan Gutman.
He has another book right now called The Xinjiang Procedure, which I'll also recommend to you, right?
Where this is a true academic, a true amazing reporter who has put together some really remarkable sets of evidence and now this new set of evidence around what exactly has been happening to the Uyghur people since, okay, since this all began.
I want you to go to killedtoorder.com and get this book and get it before midnight tonight.
That'll have a 10, 20, 30, I mean, maybe 100 times impact if you got it today before midnight, because that might get us, you know, right now on all of Amazon, all books, it's a number 131.
And if we can get it across that 100 line to the top 100 books, that might really get us to multiple larger bestseller lists.
This is what I'm being told by the experts.
This is my first book, by the way.
Okay.
So that's also, you're supporting a budding author here.
But no, in all seriousness, you can actually make a massive difference because this is one of these issues where once you realize that there's a kill to order industry being run by the Chinese Communist Party and that, you know, raising awareness actually shifts things, right?
Raising awareness, people having their voice, 100 calls to a senator in the U.S., senator's office in the U.S. makes a difference.
Like the people respond to that, okay?
And at the very least, we can end our own complicity.
KilltoOrder.com, that's where you need to go to.
Killed2order.com.
That's the Amazon link.
That's the easiest way to buy.
You can also order it for your library, order it for your home, order it from Barnes and Noble or your favorite bookstore.
All of that is great, but try to do it before midnight tonight, right?
We're trying to really rack up those individual sales.
And what that will do is that'll move the book from 131 into the top 100.
I mean, I hope this is my dream.
You're also helping my dream come true here because I've worked on this issue for 20 years.
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And it's been really, and frankly, it's just been really tough over the years.
Like it's just, I'm still kind of feel a little bit like Alice in Wonderland with being invited on all these amazing podcasts and TV shows with people talking about it.
With, you know, I keep getting texts from people.
Wow, this is strong.
I had no idea how bad it was.
I mean, it's, the first time I'm seeing real serious, large-scale traction, okay?
Multiple media covering it.
I mean, this will help in all these realms to really vault an issue, which has been described as fringe and somehow problematic.
And it's very difficult to grasp and very difficult to accept.
So it's tough.
I mean, that, I'll be honest about that.
It's a tough issue, but we can vault it into the mainstream and have people understand that this is real, that it needs to stop, right?
That if communist China wants to be the thing that it always says with its whole propaganda, right?
That it's, you know, kind of a responsible member of the global community or whatever it is that they're actually saying, right?
That the starting point is ending forced organ harvesting.
And by the way, I'll never believe for a second that they've done it unless there's an independent assessment, unless they let an independent study group actually assess whether this has happened.
Killtoorder.com, that's where you get the book.
Now, here's the thing that a lot of people don't actually fully understand, right?
I certainly didn't, right?
And I thought about this a lot.
When you start building something like this, okay, so there was a low level of organ transplantation that was happening.
Okay, there was a low level of organ transplantation that was happening prior to 2000.
The regime decides to crush the Falun Gong in 1999.
Okay.
The number of transplant hospitals started growing geometrically.
Okay.
And by 2005, we hit something to the tune of 150 hospitals, right?
146 is the number that Ethan Gutman defended in 2016 when he testified in front of Congress under oath.
Okay.
And this is, you can actually look that up yourself if you're wondering how is it that we get to this number of 60 to 90,000 or 60 to 100,000, with which Ethan Gutman is the number that he uses.
This geometric growth, okay, of these hospitals, we kind of create a huge bureaucracy to basically create an atrocity, right?
And it's very hard when you build these types of things, when you build a large bureaucracy, a large technocratic system to accomplish something that's horrible, i.e., killing of people for organs on demand, right?
And it's, you know, across the country and so forth.
These things are really difficult to dismantle, like really difficult because it just starts, they get these lives on their own.
And we see this in our own very, whatever bureaucracy, never mind a kill to order bureaucracy.
Okay.
So this is the challenge.
This is why, you know, it's going to take a lot for them to actually end it entirely.
I know that.
I'm not saying that by getting going to killtoorder.com, getting this book today, that you're going to be able to stop the entire forced organ harvesting industry.
But what you will be able to do, and I absolutely think this is completely, absolutely doable, okay, is we can stop our own complicity in it.
We have all these hospitals that are basically funding hospitals, research partnerships.
NIH, National Institutes of Health in the U.S., the biggest funder of research in the world, funds some of these hospitals that are doing kill to order.
We're gathering that data right now, actually.
We can stop this.
We can stop these things.
There's legislation in the U.S. House that has passed unanimously, two pieces of legislation that have passed with one dissenting vote across two of them, okay, across two pieces of legislation, one dissenting vote.
One is called the Falun Gong and Victims of Forced Organ Harvesting Protection Act.
Okay, wow.
And by the way, an excellent piece of legislation sanctions people that are involved in this, asks for it to be assessed whether it's an atrocity under the Ellie Wazelle Act.
I mean, it's very basic things, doesn't cost a lot.
Ask for some reporting with the State Department here in the U.S. Very simple, makes a ton of sense.
There's another bill is called the Stop Forced Organ Harvesting Act, a broader bill with a bit of a focus on China.
This bill came out of the House from Chris Smith leading it.
Chris Smith is probably the longest serving congressman right now, and actually on one of these honestly heroes of the entire understanding of what communist China was really was.
He argued we should never, this is in the 80s, okay?
He was arguing, do not give China special status in trade.
Do not let them join the World Trade Organization.
Why?
Because we're going to create our biggest adversary, which is what we did.
Anyway, he was very early on.
I met him in 2005 at the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva.
And he, you know, just has been on the right side of these issues and understanding communist China for a very long time.
So that's his bill.
Both these bills are bipartisan.
Both these bills are in the Senate right now.
No brainer for them to be passed.
And there's a third bill by Congressman Neil Dunn.
It's called the Stop, or pardon me, the Block Act.
Okay.
And the Block Act, what it does is it says Medicare, Medicaid, insurance, health insurance cannot pay for China transplants.
Basically, a bit more than that.
But again, excellent bill.
Great for it to make out of Foreign Affairs out of that committee.
Great to see that go to the Senate.
Three bills.
This is an unprecedented time, right?
And this book can actually help get these things, I think, across the finish line because the biggest difficulty we've had all these years is just people aren't ready to grasp what this is.
Like they're not ready to accept that people are being, innocent people are being killed to order at large scale over decades by the Chinese Communist Party.
Even though we already know that the Chinese Communist Party, I think, you know, I don't think there's any competition.
I think this is, you know, well-established fact over generations now that it's the biggest killer of human beings in history.
They have earned that, you know, kind of body by bloody body.
And now what they figured out with this kill to order industry is how to monetize killing.
And it's just horrible, right?
And just we, we, I don't think we should be complicit in it in any way.
I think we should cut these, you know, the financial flows off.
By the way, we're talking about talking about legislation.
There's also been done a lot done in the states.
But for the benefit of those who are just joining us right now, I just want to mention what we're doing.
Kill to order.
This is my new book.
It's China's Organ Harvesting Industry and the True Nature of America's Biggest Adversary.
Okay.
This is the book.
Against all odds.
I've been working on this issue for 20 years, just published this book just a few days ago.
It's number 131 on all of Amazon.
At killtoorder.com, you can get the book, you know, basically in one click.
We're trying to get through, break that top 100 on Amazon barrier, sell as many books as possible before midnight tonight, because that will take the book and put it into bestseller status.
And it will help me and the book get on some of these larger bestseller lists.
Okay.
And what that will accomplish is a whole lot more bookstores buy the book.
It gets reviewed more.
It gets explored more.
This whole issue gets blown into the mainstream.
And this has been kind of my personal dream.
If you're someone that watches American Thought Leaders, if you're a regular viewer, personally, I can't think of a better thing that could happen because this issue, the reason I've only been working it on and off over the last 20 years is because you get despondent at times.
Like there's so there was so little response, so little interest in it.
And today that is completely flipped.
And let me tell you about what's happening in the States, okay?
Because there's actually six states now that have passed legislation like this block act that I just mentioned a little while ago.
It basically saying that no state money, okay, from insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, and insurance, actually, that you're not allowed to use that money to get a transplant in China because, well, it's killed to order and we don't want to support murder for organs, right?
This is excellent legislation, 44 states to go.
And in the book, I actually talk about all the things that you can do.
I have a whole appendix.
I talk about it throughout the book, but I also talk about it in an appendix.
If you just want to read two pages or one page or two pages, it's all there, all available.
And so listen, here's the crazy thing.
Okay.
The book's at killtoorder.com again.
Get it there.
But the level of interest.
So the CCP is crazy.
What they do is they actually create these fake books.
Rushana Bas, a kind of a hero of advocating for persecuted Uyghurs.
She had a book, a fake book created.
I remember she telling me about that.
She was saying, Jan, look out for this fake book, okay?
On amazon.com.
Again, last I checked, I don't know, this was just a few hours ago, but last I checked, there were four fake books, okay?
Four fake books pretending to be killed to order, right?
To distract, to distract from kill to order.
So when you go and make sure you go to killtoarder.com, hit that link.
Make sure it has my complicated first name and last name.
Jania Kellic, it's Polish, by the way.
That's why my parents escaped communist Poland back in the day.
But don't get a book with someone who is not this author.
Okay.
It's going to be Jania Kelek.
And also the other authors that are mentioned on the book are the people who wrote the forwards, Ambassador Sam Brownback and Dr. Joseph Varen.
But if you see any other last day, don't use that.
That's the fake book.
And it's amazing.
Like, you know, there's people that use create fake books to, you know, kind of graft just a bit of money, I guess, off of a book.
And then there's the CCP who create the fake books so you can't know the truth, right?
And so, I mean, I guess I should take it as a bit of a badge of honor that they want to do this.
But at the same time, we're actively working with Amazon to try to get rid of these things.
It doesn't make any doesn't make any sense to me.
Again, killedtoorder.com.
We're trying to sell as many books.
If you're out there, if you're thinking about it, it's an amazing book, I promise.
Okay.
And that's why it's like in all these bestseller categories at the top right now.
If we can get it to the top 100 on all books on Amazon, it makes bigger bestseller lists.
We're going to blow this out of the water.
We're going to get this issue both in front of lawmakers and policymakers, but also in front of, you know, society, which is kind of the bigger play, the bigger game.
That's what's most important to me.
I want people to understand what Chinese Communist Party is capable of.
I want people to understand the mind there, because getting this wrong has been catastrophic for us.
Okay.
We've built the world's biggest adversary.
I mean, I would say mostly American money, but Canadian, absolutely.
I mean, the infiltration of the Chinese Communist Party in Canada is even more pronounced.
They used it.
They used it kind of as a place that they could actually access America because there was so such kind of, there's so few barriers, basically, and being able to do that.
And so, you know, and a big part of why this happened is because we just didn't fully grasp who we're dealing with.
We couldn't imagine the total lack of moral boundary that some of these people exhibit and that the Chinese Communist Party demands.
And this is, this is the, this is something that's actually, it's reflective of the system.
It's reflective of the ideology.
It has this kind of weird, I still don't understand.
You see people wearing Shea Guevara shirts, you know, this mass murder.
Why would we wear a shirt?
Well, it has this weird specious veneer, right?
Of like, we want to believe it.
We want to believe that it's going to work out.
We want to believe that it wasn't real communism before.
And there's still so many people.
I mean, even among, you know, I'm going to sound like an old fogey here, but among our young people, I'm really concerned, right?
That we're talking about 40% think communism and socialism is a good idea.
That's the number I was looking at.
That's shocking, right?
I want them to be able to read this book, right?
And just understand this is they're really selling you.
This is the best thing they're at, really, is propaganda, right?
It's convincing you.
So, okay, we've got a little bit of time left in the live stream right now.
I want to see, does anyone have any questions left?
I would love to answer a few questions if someone has them.
What we're doing here, again, the project is this is this book, Kill to Order.
And by the way, if you're in Canada right now and you're watching, your books actually also count.
This is what I've been told.
Okay, so don't worry that you're doing this in Canada as well.
I know there's quite a few people that watch American Thought Leaders and me in Canada.
This is indeed kind of the original kind of purpose of the show.
So killtoorder.com, please help get this book across the line of a top 100 on Amazon.
So we can get this issue of forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience in China at scale, the Chinese Communist Party's crime against humanity, to get it on the radar, not just of policymakers, not just state-level people, but actually society at large.
And I want to tell you something really exciting.
I've actually just become a Rotary Club member.
Okay.
I just got a Rotary Club member.
And the reason I became a Rotary Club member is they created a satellite club.
It's like a virtual club that other club members can join that's explicitly committed to ending forced organ harvesting.
Look it up.
End forced organ harvesting rotary club.
If you're interested in just getting together with a bunch of people that are similarly interested as you, but you're not someone who just gets socially, you're not a social activist.
You think yourself, what am I going to do?
There's people at the grassroots level who want to work with you, want to help.
And so, you know, and now I'm a newly minted Rotarian as a result.
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So there is that possibility.
But the number one thing that you can do right now, the number one thing, this is the 10X 100X impact, okay?
Is to get this book at killtoorder.com, get it on Amazon, and get it before midnight tonight.
Get it now.
Get it now, of course, is the best because you might forget, right?
But really, the deadline for us is midnight tonight.
And what we can do is this book, it's like number one, communism and socialism, number one, Asian politics, number one in all politics and government.
I mean, just wild, right?
Like the level of interest is huge.
All we need to do is edge it over that top 100 list.
And I'm told that that will also push it to other major bestseller lists.
And a whole lot more bookshops will buy it.
Libraries will get it.
And we can really actually blow this issue out of the water, blow it out of the water in the sense that the social consciousness in the West will realize, wow, yes, the Chinese Communist Party is actually killing people to order at scale for their organs, innocent people, Falun Gong practitioners.
And when that wasn't enough, Uyghurs as well.
And when that wasn't enough, and this is something I'm really worried about, okay?
I've heard anecdotally that house Christians, some of the persecuted Christians, are used in this way as well.
I've seen increased increased dehumanizing rhetoric against Christians.
And Pastor Bob Fu, who I just talked to on American Thought Leaders recently, actually says, yes, indeed, that he is seeing that.
So I don't know for sure what's happening with Christians.
I do know that there's more of this dehumanizing rhetoric happening.
And I'm very, very, very concerned.
Rahul, you just bought the book.
Thank you.
Thank you for getting it.
Okay, I just got a note that Rahul got it.
Updating your driver's license about being an organ donor and so forth.
Oh, that's fascinating.
They asked you three times if you were sure.
Hmm, interesting.
So by the way, as we're finishing up here, I'll just mention this, right?
Some people are wondering, why is it that this matters to me?
This is when China is far away.
No, okay.
There were two transplant systems that were decertified last year.
I have it.
Look up an op-ed that I wrote in the Baltimore Sun a few months ago.
Okay.
Why are we decertifying transplant systems in America?
We're decertifying transplant systems in America partially because of this crazy engagement that we have.
We thought we were going to change them.
Okay.
In fact, they've been changing us, right?
And now all sorts of people are worried about ticking the box on their driver's license because we have our own transplant systems that are basically violating the dead donor rule.
That's horrible.
Okay.
We don't want to get anywhere near killed to order.
And we're not, by the way, but we've been moving, edging in that direction with this weird utilitarian bioethics situation.
We got Exo Selenaxo on YouTube.
I want to buy more copies to donate to the campus library.
Fantastic.
Do it.
Okay.
Please go for it.
KilltoOrder.com.
That's where you can get it.
We're just about to end the live stream.
Thank you all so much for joining me today.
And I hope let's see if we actually can blow this thing out of the water, get across the top 100 list, get on the big lists and actually change the social consciousness and help people understand that killed to order is a real thing in communist China and that we can actually stop our complicity in it and finally end it.