Oct. 15, 2025 - Epoch Times
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| Let me ask you this. | |
| As someone who's a big supporter of organ transplantation done right, um, there was a recent op-ed in the New York Times where two doctors are suggesting that we kind of change the definition, the way to make sure there are more organs available for procurement. | |
| We kind of shift the definition of death somewhat. | |
| Like how what is your did you read this and what's your reaction? | |
| When you have working critical care like I have, you see things that you say, no, this is not possible that it happens. | |
| But I have seen people that have been, quote, declared death, and they come back to life. | |
| I have seen that with my own eyes. | |
| Uh years ago, uh Dr. Paul Marik called me that he had a young woman that had overdosed on a variety of drugs, and uh they gave her CPR for two hours, and the chief of neurology came in and saw her and said this woman is brain death called the organ transplant team. | |
| At that time, Dr. Baric had called me and says, Joe, can we do that thing that you do? | |
| Which I was hypothermia. | |
| I called people. | |
| I said, Yeah, let's call her. | |
| So we cooled the patient down. | |
| Uh the machine had malfunction and she got really really cold. | |
| Three days later, she was texting her boyfriend that she didn't really want to kill her, kill herself. | |
| Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. | |
| What happened between you calling her too much and her texting? | |
| We rewarmed her and she survived. | |
| And we published that that that paper, and that paper uh actually landed my friend in a not so nice confrontation with the chief of neurology. | |
| That you know, I mean the neurologist have come in, had seen the patient. | |
| We actually published a paper with a c with a note that that says that this patient, you know, is is out, we need to get the transplant team to come and see her. | |
| This woman survived. | |
| And I have seen that not one, multiple times. | |
| Now, can I tell you everybody's gonna survive? | |
| No, of course not. | |
| But sometimes it happens. | |
| So you you know nobody's dead until you do this specific criteria. | |
| Changing the criteria to get more organs, I have an issue with that. | |
| Because I don't think that's ethically sound. | |
| Give me just give me a little bit about your background so people can kind of understand like why you might have seen so many patients in this situation. | |
| You know, I am uh by training um I have six different specialties, but among them intensive care is one of them. | |
| So I have seen so many people at the brink of death. | |
| I've also an emergency room doctor, internal medicine doctor, pulmonary doctor. | |
| I mean, I've I have seen these over and over again. | |
| I have run uh intensive care units all over the place, and I have uh seen the good, the bad and the ugly of the transplantation system. | |
| I have seen amazing situations where people truly require an organ and you give it to them and you basically are giving them a new life. | |
| But I also have seen these situations where people get too jumpy into conclusions and they want to get organs ahead of time. | |
| Um what what happened in these situations where you did the you know the scope into the lungs, the person is coughing, and like how did people react? | |
| Everybody got impressed, it's like, no, that's not possible. | |
| It's like happening. | |
| But but did you like what what happened next time? | |
| Oh no, we we know we got back to where we came from. | |
| I mean, there is no way we could be there is no way we were gonna be doing that. | |
| And the problem is that you know there are some cases like the ones that you were mentioning where actually they proceeded to to to to to do the the harvesting. | |
| I mean in people that were having some kind of reaction in the operating room. | |
| I mean, a deaf brain deaf person is out no matter what you hit them with, no matter what you cut them with, they have no sensation whatsoever. | |
| There is no communication between the organs and the brain. | |
| The brain is out. |
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