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June 25, 2025 - Epoch Times
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New Florida Law Bans the Engineering of Weather: Sayer Ji Explains
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Anyone who's lived long enough, I've been in Florida for 25 years, has noticed a dramatic shift in the appearance of the sky from relatively blue with regular rain patterns shifting to this like hazy effect that ultimately is related to the dimming that they're trying to induce through geoengineering.
Sayer G is the founder of the Global Wellness Forum and GreenMedInfo.com.
In this episode, we dive into a recently passed bill in Florida, the first in America, that criminalizes geoengineering and weather modification.
They are intending to neutralize global warming.
It's very publicly acknowledged, but what they're doing is they're using agents that are highly toxic to the public health and environment.
This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Yanya Kellek.
Sayer G, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.
Thank you, the honor's mine.
Sayer, Florida just made history.
This the first bill in America has been passed that criminalizes geoengineering and weather modification.
But wait a sec, hold the presses here.
I mean, why do we even need such a thing?
Is this something that's happening in reality?
Is it something that's common?
Explain this to me.
Absolutely, yes.
Well, first of all, we have the evidence of our senses, which is that anyone who's lived long enough, I've been in Florida for 25 years, has noticed a dramatic shift in the appearance of the sky from relatively blue with regular rain patterns, for example, shifting to this like hazy effect that ultimately is related to the dimming that they're trying to induce through geoengineering.
So there is a long history, it's very publicly acknowledged, of operations that are intending to ostensibly to neutralize global warming, right?
But what they're doing is they're using agents that are highly toxic to the public health and environment.
And this is something which is now becoming such a huge issue in states like Florida that we've seen a mass grassroots mobilization around passing this legislation.
Well, okay, you're going to have to unpack this for me because I think for a lot of us, I mean, I had, frankly, no idea for most of my life that anything like this was happening at all.
But it's not like, when did this start?
If you go back to the history of weather modification, Florida was actually ground zero for some of the operations.
They were intending to alter the trajectory of hurricanes using things like silver as a way to change the precipitation and intensity of these storms.
So later, in Vietnam, for example, they used it for increasing weather, such as precipitation on the so-called enemy.
Project Popeye is well established to have been a successful weaponization of the weather.
So there is a pretty long history of weather modification and militarization of weather modification technology.
In Florida, you see this very hazy, misty, you know, and tracks in the sky that look like cobwebs, for example.
It's a very obvious change in what we know is supposed to be a natural weather.
So that's what's really gotten many people, legislators and the public up in arms about really wanting to get disclosure on these operations.
Why don't you guide us to where we can learn through official documents about all these things?
Well, we know that weather modification is a big part of the agenda in many states where, for example, the agricultural industry would like to increase precipitation.
Generally speaking, it just translates directly into greater crop growth and greater revenue.
So it's well established that they're using things like silver in order to increase precipitation.
But what the main concern is, is that there are other operations that are clandestine, that we don't actually know what the agenda is outside of official acknowledgement that solar radiation management technologies are being deployed, which include using things like sulfur, calcium, titanium, various elements to create a dimming effect.
So that's one of the primary things that we're looking to get disclosure on because the public fallout in terms of health consequences are severe.
There are metals that are now being found in the soil and foods.
We're breathing those in.
It's a complex topic because you have weather modification that is looking at just increasing precipitation.
In Florida, we don't actually have many of those programs.
They're found in other states.
But there are well-known consequences of the aviation industry having fuel that contains many of the metals that have been found through independent testing, which include aluminum and barium, other compounds of concern.
And that's a big issue because really the commercial aviation is really under the jurisdiction of the federal government, right, the FAA.
And so even with our bill in Florida, it's one step towards ultimately opening up the larger topic, which is that we all want to breathe clean air.
We have to.
So this is one of the primary efforts.
And we're only one of now 34 states that has introduced legislation to ban or get increased oversight over weather modification operations in this country.
Well, and I'm definitely going to dig into that because you were an important part of getting this law passed in Florida.
But you just reminded me, you know, Bobby Kennedy himself on the Dr. Phil show, he was asked about this issue in general.
I'll quote him here.
That is not happening in my agency.
We don't do that.
It's done, I think, by DARPA, and a lot of it now is coming out of the jet fuel.
So those materials are put in jet fuel.
I'm going to do everything in my power to stop it.
We're bringing on somebody who's going to think only about that, find out who's doing it, and hold them accountable.
So there is some interest at the federal level.
Absolutely.
Yeah, in fact, in April, Bobby went ahead and he responded to our announcement that there were at the time 24 states that had Introduced legislation, which was incredible.
And he said that every Maha needs to support this initiative and that HHS will do its part.
The things that we need most to be safe and to implement the Make America Healthy Again initiative requires that, at the very least, the environment, the air we breathe, you know, the water goes into the soil, the metals go into the food.
We have to address this issue as a priority.
And he does acknowledge that, which was the first time the executive branch signaled in such a powerful way that they back this highly grassroots movement.
This is we the people rising up saying, let's acknowledge what we're seeing around us and let's do something about it.
Well, so this is the perfect opportunity to kind of find out a little bit more about you, where you come from, what you're about, how you're connected with Maha.
Well, I started out as a grassroots activist by putting together a website early in my career in 2007 called greenmedinfo.com.
And it was a project of mine.
It was sort of an obsession to index all the research I could find on research that supports natural interventions and also looks at unintended adverse effects of conventional interventions.
It could be anything from mammography to vaccination.
And because of that website, which now has 100,000 studies, it's been very controversial because before Maha became a big thing, and even before Whole Foods and all the natural health advocacy became mainstream, we were considered on the fringe.
Natural health, it seems a little bit woo-y, based on anecdotes, for example.
But what I decided to do was to find all of the so-called scripture of the medical monotheism that dominates America, which is the peer-reviewed and published research to support empowering people to make an informed choice.
It's been astonishing to me to learn over the last however many years how much peer-reviewed research exists in a whole lot of areas, like for example, the medicinal properties or positive medical effects of certain types of food.
I remember Dr. Paul Merrick that I had on the show about some of this, he discovered that berberine is something, I mean discovered, again, it's written about quite a bit in the scientific literature to treat diabetes or compounds that have anti-carcinogenic properties, right?
He's been running AI, looking through, again, peer-reviewed miser showing that green tea and turmeric, for example, have strong prophylactic qualities against cancer and things like that.
I mean, fascinating stuff you don't generally hear about, right?
And you've been documenting this for years on your site.
And then you became involved in Maha.
What is Maha?
I don't think I've had that question answered on the show yet.
Well, I believe it's a popularist movement to embrace alternatives to the conventional medical model, which is very largely driven by pharmaceutical interests, as we know.
It doesn't mean that they're nefarious.
It's just that it's a good business model.
You suppress symptoms, often with some of the very chemicals, basically patented xenobiotic chemicals, drugs, that are actually not addressing the root cause.
Many of the symptoms of disease are caused by poisoning with some of these same chemical types.
So it's this very paradoxical situation where we're told that the standard of care requires that we adopt interventions which we just cognitively, it's dissonant.
Like we realize they're actually chemicals.
They're not natural compounds.
And natural medicine advocacy has always been around acknowledging that our body is a natural entity and that we should be able to use the medicines that really for countless epochs we've used to survive as a species and thrive in certain scenarios.
So it's really a revival of ancient wisdom combined with the advances of modern science.
And I think that my work has simply been to celebrate that research.
And I didn't intend for it to be very controversial because one of the 10,000 databases on GreenMedInfo is on vaccination.
And we happened to index 1,300 studies on the non-safety and non-efficacy of various vaccines.
And that's what politically became quite an issue.
And now you're involved in the Global Wellness Forum.
Global Wellness Forum was, I think, instrumental in passing this legislation in Florida and frankly, which is actually being used by many other states.
I think it's up to, is it 36 now or something?
34 others in the works.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, the point is it's not just something about Florida.
You know, sometimes people say, well, Florida, Florida's a little bit weird.
No, it's something that, you know, a great many states are taking very seriously.
And again, I just don't know if this was so much in the public consciousness, to be honest.
Like, it wasn't in mine.
Yeah.
Well, if you are like me and you live often in the realms of social media, it is just unbelievable how many posts there are, many of which are viral on the topic of so-called chemtrails.
Colloquially, you know, that term has been used to describe the obvious changes in weather that are artificial.
People don't know the cause.
That's a big reason why there are so many now looking to legislate, you know, a reform.
However, it's clear that this is a popularist movement and it's really all about taking back our basic right to bodily sovereignty.
I think after the four or five years of the declared pandemic, there was a mass awakening around bodily choice, informed consent.
And what we're seeing, I think, truly is a non-partisan movement that is embraced by the majority of Americans.
And I would say this is becoming a really beautiful movement of sovereignty.
And it's just, we have to address the 800-pound guerrilla of what's going on in our skies and what we're breathing in daily.
What about the Global Wellness Forum?
Where does that come from?
So Marla Maples and myself and Dr. Ed Group decided, because we have such a beautiful history of Working together as activists, if you will, behind the scenes for natural health advocacy to bring together the coalitions that,
over the course of now several decades, have proven independently that they represent the will of the people and that they are in alignment with very basic values, which include things like transparency, radical honesty, radical responsibility.
And these are the things that we are now bringing together a national and an international coalition in order to move issues like the geoengineering issue forward, although we have 16 councils, you know, because Maha is very old.
The bones of the movement are parents, for example, who had vaccine-injured children and that were gaslit by the media, the medical establishment, and told that they're wrong.
And, for example, the vaccine-induced brain damage their children suffered.
And now we have advocates like Bobby in positions of great influence who are, you know, now articulating what we, the people, really want.
When I think about Maha, I think about people who have engaged with the existing medical system and in some way been wronged by it.
And that's what kind of changes them.
Almost all the people that I've met who have, you know, would describe themselves as Maha were of that ilk.
There could be many reasons for why.
But then there would be some kind of, like you mentioned, the sort of suddenly they're on the wrong side of an issue.
They're speaking the unspeakable thing.
And they're like, hey, but I'm just looking out for my kids' health.
And they're trying to figure out solutions to problems which the dominant system doesn't even kind of acknowledge in some ways.
So there's this whole subculture that has developed over decades of people who found each other and like, hey, so how do you deal with this problem?
How do you deal with this problem?
The system isn't really giving me any solutions.
But actually, it turns out there are a lot of different solutions or approaches or at least good research being done and so forth.
And it's also very interesting to me that you have, you know, Marlon Maples, yourself, and a group who kind of come from quite different backgrounds and quite different interests.
You know, a group who I just recently met actually, you know, is working on gene therapies and so forth.
So it's kind of a range of interests, a range of outlooks, right?
Yeah, I think that's what's so beautiful about this movement is it embraces really everyone who shares these basic values.
But that doesn't mean that we are beholden or subsume ourselves to any type of political caste or affiliation, you know, because what we're anchoring is this innate knowledge we all share that our default state is to be happy and healthy.
I think that's the basis for Maha.
And a key feature, I think, is the going after root causes of disease as opposed to dealing with symptoms from what I heard.
100%, yeah.
Outside of that model of actually resolving the roots of the disease, you know, it's a very good perpetual subscription model for a business, right?
Like medicine is one of the most successful businesses on the planet and has a larger standing army of, you know, representatives from the pharmacies to the, you know, the staff at hospitals, et cetera, than actual armies.
So, but they're also going through a reform process.
I think after what everyone experienced with coerced and mandated interventions, many who experienced the collusion and they felt the ethical dissonance are now excited about Maha.
They realize, wow, there is another path that we can learn from our past and move forward in a positive way.
And there is a really good place for allopathic medicine, obviously, you know, as far as interventions that can save your life in emergency scenarios.
But for chronic disease, of course, you want to identify the cause and remove it.
You mean that not all disease comes from pathogens, basically.
That's what you're saying, right?
So some of it comes from just bad dietary choices.
Well, I'm a student of literature, biomedical literature.
You know, I've looked through 2 million citations just to amass 100,000 on GreenMedInfo.
And one of the things that was most amazing to me and disturbing in 2000 was a supernova of literature around the microbiome and the discovery that the majority of the genetic material in our bodies is actually attributable to the viruses, the fungi, the bacteriophages, the little germs that we've been told are at the root of most of our disease.
So that's called the holobont, holobiont.
It's this notion that we are this entity that is totally merged with the planetary microbiome and that we need these exposures, right?
In other words, yes, infection's real.
Opportunistic infection exists, but if you're feeding as a substrate, let's say it's high fructose corn syrup, to these certain bacteria in your microbiome that thrive on that, it's going to create some disease.
But they're not the cause of the disease.
It's usually an environmental factor or dietary exposure, or psychogenically, even the fear that's induced by believing that invisible particles and genes are at the root cause of your disease because we're told you can't control that outside of maybe not exposing yourself.
So this is, and this is partially, you know, there's what comes with sovereignty is accountability.
So you actually have to, you know, assume some responsibility for what you're, more responsibility for what you're eating.
That's part of the movement as well.
Absolutely.
In fact, Dr. Ed Group came up with this phrase, make yourself healthy again, as a way to remind people that it really is about taking radical responsibility for your health choices and even your disease, because if you've co-created it or created it, then you can uncreate it.
And that's part of the beauty of radical responsibility in healthcare versus the allopathic model, once again, that really thrives with this victimhood mentality that we may inherit some mutation from a distant ancestor in our protein-coding genes that, like a time bomb just goes off suddenly.
That's very fatalistic, and it's not in alignment with what the new biology shows us, which is that largely it's what we do or do not eat, and again, exposures.
Wonderful.
Let's talk about some of the things you've discovered in terms of food.
You know, you've described yourself as a lifelong student of the healing properties of food, right?
I believe.
In conversation, we've...
And just I've always had a sense that it's fantastic.
But you've kind of been validating my biases here.
So tell me about green tea and especially matcha.
Well, the beauty of matcha as an alternative to coffee, for example, is that it has a number of components that help with things like the neuritogenic effect in the brain, where you stimulate neural stem cells to regenerate.
Coffee doesn't necessarily have that property, although there is some evidence that it can help boost brain function.
But matcha has other superpowers, which has L-theanine, which is an amino acid that reduces cortisol.
Whereas generally coffee drinkers, they tend to have elevated cortisol as a result of some of the...
Which makes you more...
Blood sugar stays elevated.
You have a hard time sleeping.
Whereas matcha actually helps with sleep, assuming you drink it earlier in the day.
But one of the other amazing things about it is in terms of the biomedical literature, we have actually research on our website, GreenMedInfo, of over 500 diseases that have been studied that it would either prevent, mitigate, or reverse using a green tea component.
And it's because the polyphenol, which is known as an antioxidant, right, has such a powerful effect on mammalian metabolism.
So it's a way of understanding nutrition differently and actually looking at the information it contains because most people don't realize this.
Everything you eat has microRNAs, which sound small, but they have a huge effect.
They're basically ways to silence the expression of protein-coding genes in your body.
And most of these genes require certain microRNAs in order for you not to, for example, have cancer.
So that's one of the keys here is that matcha actually contains essential software for the hardware of our body.
And that could account for why it's so therapeutic.
The primary thing, though, people don't realize is it has chlorophyll in high concentrations, which goes into the mammalian mitochondria and helps to increase the production of ATP and greatly enhance longevity because humans actually are able to capture photonic energy in the mitochondria with a chlorophyll metabolite and turn it into metabolic energy.
We're actually photoheterotrophs, like most people think, oh, plants are, you know, autotrophs or sitting there absorbing the sun.
We don't have that capability, we're told.
And then heterotrophs have to eat other things.
It turns out, in 2012, there was a study proving that mammals actually take the chlorophyll into the mitochondria and they can convert sunlight into metabolic energy.
Yeah, through the intermediary, of course.
Yeah, so it's like having solar panels in your body.
It's similar to melanin does something similar.
So my feeling is that because Americans don't get enough chlorophyll, that's one reason why you see such a radical improvement of your health when you start drinking matcha instead of coffee or instead of a second cup, just use matcha instead.
You know, and as I mentioned, it also has these, you know, apparently significant anti-carcinogenic properties.
It's like the top of the list of, you know, sort of these AI studies looking through all sorts of studies on, you know, how the various foods and compounds, you know, impact the development of cancer.
Absolutely.
In fact, we have 150 different pharmacological actions that have been indexed that green tea expresses in the body.
So it's like this multi-armed goddess that's able to articulate all of these different functions in real time in a way that no pharmaceutical can reproduce because these are monochemicals.
They're extremely difficult to operate within the really fractal system of the human body.
Natural compounds, again, are informational as well as containing chemistries.
So what they do is they work on an energetic and informational level with our body.
So it's a totally different scenario.
Fascinating.
Never heard of that before.
Yeah, we've got the research on my website.
Why don't you pick for me a few things that you discovered through your research that will be shocking like this?
Yeah.
Or even better.
Like, I mean, sort of things we should do or help us.
Yeah.
Well, one of the most amazing things, especially for women, because most of the natural health movement really has been successful because of the women in the family who often have to think about taking care of their loved ones, is that many women don't realize this.
As they age, their ovaries start to reduce production of essential steroid hormones.
And when you're stressed, the adrenal glands steal progesterone from the ovaries to make more cortisol.
So you can get an accelerated aging process.
So when you get into the paramenopausal, menopausal zone, many women start to get depression, midsection, fat, their bone density decreases and bone quality.
Turns out that if they take advantage of the ovaries of these fruiting plants, which are known as angiosperms, it's what is 70% of all food on the planet comes from this family.
It's as if they replace the function of their ovary entirely.
In the animal model, what they do, they take the ovaries out of the female rats or whatever animal they're choosing, and they suddenly undergo all these changes of life.
But if you feed them things like plum or orange, and the best of all is pomegranate, it's as if they never took their ovaries out.
And this helps people to understand, like, if you look at the ovary of the pomegranate bush and you slice it in half, it looks just like a mammalian ovary.
And it has bioidentical estrone, which is one of the three estrogens that mammals produce.
In fact, it even has testosterone, so men need to know that.
So it's part of the law of signatures in the beautiful way in which we co-evolve with plants, is that there's a cosmic wink of this food can feed this organ, and now we have the biomedical validation to show that it's actually a natural HRT alternative, which explains why the world over, pomegranate is used for longevity, prosperity.
It has all these benefits, but even better than that is that it is able to reverse plaque buildup in the arteries.
So pomegranate, if you ever put it in your mouth, right, it's astringent.
The epithelial tissue in your mouth is the same that lines your blood vessels and arteries.
So it has this cleansing effect on the arteries, and there was an Israeli study that found a 30% reversal of plaque buildup in the carotid arteries simply by consuming pomegranate juice.
So if this was not a threat, right, to the pharmaceutical industry and people really embraced the principles of Maha, this would be international news because this is the number one killer of people in the Western world, which is heart disease.
And something as simple as pomegranate would alleviate so much suffering and it's such a beautiful testimony to the way nature just kind of puts the solution right in front of you.
It bleeds like a heart, it looks like a heart, it cleanses your heart, it looks like an ovary, it replaces the ovary, and there's all these other great examples of it, like the walnut.
It's the perfect example of it.
It has biohemispheric nut full of omega-3 fats, which are indispensable to your brain.
You can barely find it in any other nut or seed.
And it has this meninges-like coating that has compounds that have already been shown to have neuroprotective effects in conditions like Alzheimer's.
And it's just the perfect symmetry, too.
It looks just like a human brain.
Right.
I was interviewing Dr. Merrick about what he found in the cancer literature, right?
Because he's been looking at all the papers about cancer, the studies that have been done about cancer that we didn't know about, that he didn't know about for most of his life.
And one of the things he found was that this combination of omega-3s, of exercise, and of vitamin D was actually, you know, in a quite robust study, reduced the incidence of contracting cancer by 40%.
So you look at the study, you go, that is absolutely astounding result, right?
And it's, you know, it's a robust.
I looked at the study, it's a robust finding, it's replicable.
So, you know, again, you would think how many people's lives would be saved by just knowing that, of course, you know, it's not one-to-one.
But the point is if people were actually doing this, there would be a lot less incidence of cancer, for sure.
There are many other examples, too.
I mean, there was a recent clinical study that found that just using black seed oil in combination with honey radically reduced mortality from those diagnosed with COVID.
And so that's just one example of where many of these non-patented compounds that are pretty freely available are able to support us in a way that there is not a known medical intervention that was ever proved by the FDA that comes even close to that.
If you look at Alzheimer's research, which Bobby just recently called out as a complete failure, right, what they did is they put just literally billions of dollars into this notion that it's a prion-based disease unrelated, for example, to metal exposures or any of the other known causes of brain damage.
And there's so much research on being able to reverse Alzheimer's pathology using things like curcumin.
This is an established set of studies that no one has actually reported on in the mainstream that I know of.
But it exists, it's in the literature, and there are literally 100,000 examples of that that I've been so happy to be able to identify, these clinical pearls.
And so now, we were talking a little bit earlier about eyesight, because this is something our viewers will have noticed, that I'm wearing glasses more often.
Tell me about, are there things that can help with that?
And of course, I just want to caveat something here.
This isn't like a one-to-one thing where you are 100% guaranteed everything.
This is a panacea.
It solves all your problems.
It doesn't work like that, right?
But what have you found about eyesight?
Well, one of the most amazing studies I ran into was done on an animal model of cataracts where they used wheatgrass extracts and found that after just several months of feeding them essentially just powdered wheatgrass, not even fresh, they were able to reverse the lens opacity by up to 40%, which is a really big deal because obviously cataracts are a precursor to blindness and many people in our age group are starting to form them.
And to know that you can reverse it with something as simple as a basic plant extract is just revolutionary.
One of the reasons happens to be because these plant cells have an immortal cell line called meristematic cells.
You know, where does all the biomass on the planet come from, including our own?
It comes from the last universal common ancestor of all cells, known as leuka, going back about 3.4 billion years.
And it's been replicating forever.
It's an immortal line.
It's in our sperm.
In women, it's in the ovaries.
And wheatgrass is actually one of the compounds from a plant side of the equation that has these immortal cells.
So my understanding of it is it's more than what is demonstrable through the biochemistry explanation.
We have to acknowledge that there is an aspect to how life works that's still a mystery.
But when you see these results, it's clear that you can awaken a reversal of aging quite easily using these compounds.
So what's next for the Global Wellness Forum for your work?
So we're working a lot with states now and various leaders in various positions of influence to draft model legislation and to provide educational support.
One of the primary ways in which we've been able to support the movement, known as MAHA, is through one of our coalition partners, which is Stand for health freedom.
I'm a co-founder.
It's a 501c4, and we've driven a lot of legislative change through facilitating grassroots activism, really.
So one of the things we're doing is just working with other coalition members to support the new administration in these initiatives.
So the Global Wellness Forum has global partners.
We have the World Council of Health.
So this is really an international movement that is really an inspiration because even with Bobby's confirmation, we saw so much interest.
We put a petition up and we had 100 different countries that were, the respondents were like, we really want Bobby to be confirmed.
So the Make America Healthy movement is actually, I think, a global movement.
And that's really what Global Wellness Forum is here to support.
Well, CRG, it's such a pleasure to have had you on.
The honor is mine.
Thank you so much.
Thank you all for joining CRG and me on this episode of American Thought Leaders.
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