TPUSA Challenges Candace Owens to DEBATE Charlie Kirk Murder Claims | Ep. 2
Turning Point USA issued a public challenge to Candace Owens for a live debate during The Charlie Kirk Show, directly responding to her recent claims about Charlie Kirk’s assassination. In this episode, we break down Candace Owens’ reaction, the specific claims TPUSA is challenging her on, and why this confrontation is now dominating conversation across conservative media.Show more Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH AMY: https://bit.ly/4dfXct3
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So we certainly appreciate your patience with us as we work through this process.
Let me know what you guys think of the background.
It's a little bit of a different background to last week.
We saw your comments that it was making some of you a little bit nauseous, which, you know, I understand it was a little bit movie.
So hopefully this is a bit better for you guys.
But all right, let's go ahead.
Let's jump into the show.
We have a lot to discuss.
It seems as if, you know, what has been bubbling up behind the surface for months and months and months has finally come to a head in what could be culminating as the most sought-after debate, at least in the conservative media space that I can think of, aside from maybe like Ben Shapiro and Nick Fuentes.
Perhaps that one might be a little bit more sought after.
But so obviously in her investigation, though, Turning Point has essentially become the number one suspect.
They have become highly complicit in all of her investigation.
And after months and months and months of calling them out, finally, they have officially clapped back.
And a lot's unfolded since last night, but just so we go through this sequentially, let's go ahead and let's play that clip and then we'll work through everything else.
Ever since Charlie's murder, Candace Owens has leveled a flood of allegations against people at Turning Point USA, people at Turning Point Action, and people who work for this show.
She's made them against some of Charlie's closest friends and against some of his most dedicated employees.
I would say we have suffered more harassment from these people than we have from Antifa supporters who overtly celebrate Charlie's murder.
And just like a lot of those Antifa members, many of these people take this delight in how gross and unpleasant they can be.
What our friends have had to endure is not funny and it's not insignificant.
Well, what's interesting, so obviously he really comes for the jugular with her, but on her show, which, you know, we'll get to her initial acceptance and everything like that, you know, she prefaced it by saying that she actually believes that this individual, Blake Neff, is not complicit, that none of her research has indicated that he is in any way involved.
And her gut-level vibe check of him is that he believes what he's saying.
And so I can see that.
From her perspective, he's somebody who is completely in the dark about all of this.
And that's probably why he was the person who was chosen to actually issue this initial statement because it's coming from a place of like real sincerity.
Candace has mentioned several times that the ball is in our court.
So here's what is going to happen.
In the near future, there will be a live stream here in Phoenix where we address in a clear and comprehensive way the claims and accusations, the false accusations that have been made against Charlie's family, friends, and the people here at Turning Point.
We plan to walk through everything carefully and thoroughly.
If Candace is available, we would sincerely welcome her participation in that live stream at our studio here in Phoenix.
At this point, we believe the ball is back in her court.
Optics-wise, it's really not the best when you've been hearing that, like love Candace or hate Candace, thinks, you know, whether you think that she's a genius or you think that she's insane, you know, you could tell that she loves Charlie.
She's speaking from a place of sincerity.
So to challenge that with this like robotic reading off a paper, the optics aren't the best, but I can understand legally why they have to do that.
And Candace even noted that and she said that she does not fault him for that.
Turning point has moved to formally respond to all the things that we have said.
And after a very long diatribe in which they wildly misrepresent the public and global investigation of Charlie Kirk's assassination, they at long last issued a public invitation or a challenge.
The live stream we announced on the show on Wednesday has been set at 4 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on Monday, December 15th.
A collection of Charlie's friends will respond to the statements made by Candace Owens to set the record straight once and for all prior to opening of America Fest.
We'll be live streaming from Charlie's Phoenix studio.
Our offer from yesterday holds.
If Candace wishes to join us in person in Phoenix, she is welcome to do so.
She says, kind of weird how you didn't email or call me back to ask about times or availability and to choose instead to tweet confirmation out at midnight.
Why am I learning about this on X?
December 15th does not work in person in 2 p.m. PT is also the literal time I do my podcast live every day.
Parentheses, which you knew.
But we will happily cancel the daily podcast and join you guys virtually instead for the live stream on the 15th.
We'll also add that I'm happy to jump on Charlie's show any day before then, virtually as well.
I was serious when I said we could do it today, even virtually.
I can make it happen pretty much any day because it's easier to move things around with the kids and find somebody to sub for my morning homeschooling.
Now, Amy, I want to get your opinion on this.
She kind of makes a statement that she'll go on anytime, anywhere.
TPUSA is not obligated to do this.
They want to do it in person to have it the most honest way that you can do a debate.
But I see how she could see that as risky because obviously the reason this whole thing started is because someone was assassinated at a turning point.
One of the biggest conservative events of the year.
And you can bet that they do not want the entirety of that event to be occupied with these questions in every single speaker session, you know, in the hallways.
They don't want everybody's time and energy and everything to be invested into this one thing, right?
So I think that they are strategically trying to clear the air before that event takes place.
That's number one.
Number two is that, you know, this is coming just after Candace put out that tweet that I actually have at the top of the document, if you want to bring it up, that essentially said that she realizes that Charlie was betrayed by everyone, that everyone in Turning Point is complicit.
And I think that this is significant because although she didn't name Erica Kirk specifically in, you know, so far as doing anything nefarious, she has avoided to even mention the name of Erica Kirk to make any call to action towards Erica Kirk.
It seems as if Erica was off limits to her.
And in fact, Candace even said, Hey, if you want me to stop investigating this, you just tell me.
Apparently, that's something that was said.
And Candace has had no such instruction from Erica Kirk.
However, just after making this tweet, which I'll have you read in just a second, after she tweeted this, she then went live and at the end of the show, she gave a call to action and actually asked Erica Kirk to take action, to look into this, to begin delivering answers.
So it seems as if her initial rule that, you know, Erica Kirk was off the table, maybe that doesn't so much apply anymore.
Same thing with the investigation.
You know, if Erica Kirk today was to ask her to stop investigating.
I don't think that offer is really on the table anymore.
I received information last night that put the final pieces together for me.
I can now say with full confidence that I believe Charlie Kirk was betrayed by the leadership of Turning Point USA and some of the very people who eulogized him on stage.
Yes, I will be naming names and providing evidence for my claims.
I am making a personal plea to every well-meaning person who donated to this godforsaken organization to request a refund.
I mean, there has been some shady things that have come out since then.
I'm not sure if you guys saw, but we did see some ex-posts that went out that were people who worked with the organization, who are no longer with the organization.
I guess you call them whistleblowers of sorts that kind of corroborated her statement pretty much.
But I mean, we don't really know 100% the validity of those.
Anybody can make an ex post, although many of those were actually shared by credible accounts.
Do you want to, should we take a quick look at it now?
Like, she's this one to me was so weird because she's trying to make it look like, oh, I recorded this seven times and these are like outtakes, but she's just looping the same take.
Like it feels like a disingenuous glitch or something.
I don't know what this is, but it goes to your point of the validity.
I watched this whole thing in full last night, at least twice.
So she basically says that she works with TPUSA.
She worked with the donors and she is essentially cooperating Candace's statements and that anybody who has invested with TPUSA, you should pull your money, essentially is what she said.
She said there's a lot of unethical stuff that's going on behind the scenes.
I think that was that girl.
There were also reports that came out of people who are working with Turning Point Faith, some whistleblowers from that one as well.
Because as he was saying in the clip, it's like, yes, this live stream will be addressing Candace Owens talking points, but it's become almost so mainstream and they're getting a flood of info that it's kind of above her at this point.
Right.
Because people have just taken these theories and run.
Does it have something to do with Amphest and like the timing all around that?
The other point, it could very much be this as well, guys.
It could be the fact that a lawsuit is approaching.
Benny Johnson actually was one of the first commentators to pull out a full reaction to this last night.
And he speculated towards the end.
We'll play the clip.
He says he doesn't know.
Like he doesn't know.
No uh, but obviously uh, Benny Johnson is somebody who is very much in with the turning point uh crew, so I found it very interesting that he made this remark.
I would just add one little thing here, that this is what you do before a lawsuit.
I am not speaking as if I know anything, because I don't.
I don't know, I don't know if they're gonna sue Candace.
I have no idea, I don't know and I don't you know, I don't know enough to even like push for that right one way or the other.
What i'm saying is that these are the kind of things that you do you like set the record straight in a very public way and give people an opportunity to decamp from their incorrect positions, to retract.
This is the way the defamation cases go, and is that what they are preparing for you?
He said that this is something you typically see in defamation cases because legally, they want a legal record of events, that they tried to dispel it, that they invited the person that they are accusing of these allegations to essentially set the record straight.
So could it be that in their you know um, their last minute setting of the date and time, giving her very minimal time to respond, do you think that they believe that that would constitute and satisfy what would be needed what Benny's talking about there?
So far as hey, we gave her the opportunity to be able to come on and give her case and she said she couldn't show up.
You know, and I think Candace is trying look, I think Candace is trying to spend this like they're doing her dirty when on her show she said name a place, name a time, yesterday this was yesterday she did say that, but she publicly said she did say virtually, she did say virtually, she literally said that at the time of accepting in that monologue she was like I could literally do it tomorrow, stream in, do it live right, but to your point,
I mean there's a lot of people who feel the exact same way.
Should we get into some of the reactions from um people out there online, the reaction to the UM exchange?
Let's look at this top one there, the Mj Uh Truth Ultra.
Yeah, this was Blake's response as of a couple hours ago, like literally two hours ago, when she said, It's kind of weird that you didn't email or call me.
Right.
He said, yesterday, we made it clear that we would be scheduling a formal response to the allegations and accusations that you've made.
We've decided that response will be delivered during a live stream on December 15th.
Thank you for your response, letting us know that you will not be joining the in-person conversation.
Everything, like we're getting all of our docs in a row.
We're getting all of our I's dotted, all of our T's crossed so that then they could possibly proceed with this lawsuit.
Which, by the way, actually, before we get into the reactions, I think that this is worth noting that maybe that's what Candace wants.
Have you guys considered the fact that maybe Candace actually wants a lawsuit?
So that way, many of the, because if it's defamation, right, at the end of the day, they need to prove that the claims were false, which means that much of everything that she has spoken about up until this point would be subject to discovery.
They're going to investigate.
There's going to be subpoenas.
They're going to want to look through, you know, text messages and exchanges and really get into the finances, the donors.
You know, it's now been proven.
I believe that a couple of days before Charlie's assassination, he declared that he wanted some type of a Doge overhaul over turning point to make sure that all of the money was, they got their money right, you know?
So this is replying to the original Blake Neff tweet.
Yeah, this stinks so bad.
After Candace Owens accepted the debate challenge, Blake Neff demands Candace Owens, comes to Phoenix, Arizona in 11 days and demands an answer by end of day.
Kind of sus actually.
I'm not even into Candace Owens, or I'm not even in Candace Owens' shoes, and I wouldn't do that.
If she's questioning their ethicalness and if they would do something, if she thinks they could do something like that to their own founder, it could definitely happen to her.
And I think you brought up a really great point with this the other day, just like amongst us when we were chatting, about how Candace has done such a good job at stating over and over and over again, like, I'm not suicidal.
I'm not suicidal.
My research, in fact, has actually been sent to all of these other unknown people.
If anything ever happens to me, it's all going to come out.
Simultaneously, there's also this thing with the Macron's and the assassination plot that they are supposedly setting up against her with the help of Israeli operatives and what have you.
So she's been talking about this and she's consistently saying, hey, guys, I could die.
I'm not suicidal, but my information is out there.
It's actually genius because now if anything happens to her ever, if she gets into a car accident randomly, everybody's going to blame whoever she's been pointing her.
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Either turning point or ultimate insurance policy.
You said, I bet they're praying that nothing does happen to her because then optics wise, everybody is going to look at them and say, did you guys do this?
So it's now let's look at the opposite end of the spectrum.
Nick Fuentes posts a response, a tweet.
He says, You were invited to TPUSA HQ to press their leadership live and in person about their role in the Charlie Kirk murder, but you can't go because of a scheduling conflict.
LOL.
Isn't this what you've been pushing for since September?
I actually want to read kind of an expansion on that.
I've been in Nick's Telegram since the beginning of 2023.
And he made this.
This is a public telegram, by the way.
So I'm not like revealing secret thoughts or anything.
He's a private one.
This is the public telegram.
Candace has been milking the Charlie Kirk conspiracy every day for three months, getting hundreds of millions of views and probably making millions of dollars.
She appointed herself as the lead investigator and deputized her followers to find evidence.
Apparently, this is a global, this is of global geopolitical significance due to the alleged involvement of the Trump administration, French government, Israel, and Egypt.
Moreover, since Charlie revealed his killer's identity to Candace in one of her dreams, this also places her at the center of some kind of cosmic spiritual battle.
Every day she claims to be tirelessly working to uncover the conspiracy behind Charlie's murder because of her deep friendship with him.
And this has caused the French government to try to assassinate her.
Now she is finally given an invitation to TPUSA headquarters to interrogate the leadership of the group live in person, stream to the world.
And she says, that day doesn't work for me.
Can you do Zoom?
Like, how do you even?
When you see it fully expanded like that, does that the chat agrees?
I, yes, doing a streaming service would be more convenient.
Yes, it sucks that they gave her an unexpected date with 24 hours to be able to respond to it and confirm.
All of these things are highly unfortunate.
However, I think I'm going to side with Nick on this.
I'm the type of person where I really like convenient things.
I do.
I'm a little bit of a lazy gal sometimes.
My fiancé knows this.
I like to be comfy.
I like to be lazy.
I prefer to do things from home so I can be wearing my pajamas and I'm like all comfortable and whatnot.
Like, I get it.
But here's the thing: when I really need to make something happen, like when it's important to me, like important to me, either because it's something that is like a God thing, like it's like a God calling on my life or something I feel like he's spoken to me, whether it is, you know, a relationship thing with my relationship, whether it is, you know, even video.
I've worked literally worked through the night to get a video done because editors were unavailable and I don't know how to edit.
I mean, I kind of know how to edit, but I'm not like fast at it.
So it takes me a really long time.
So literally, like worked all through the night to get it done.
When something is really important to you, you make it happen.
And I think that's even for the average person, not even for like an extraordinary person like Candace Owens, who really has based the entire last three months of her entire life, her mission, her purpose to uncovering the truth.
I get it's the last week of her show, which is what she said, right?
It's the last week of my show.
That's why I can't do it.
These are some of the comments that she actually made on tonight's show.
I'm not sure if we have any clips or anything of her comments tonight, right?
But yeah.
I don't know, you guys.
Listen, I don't know.
While I will go back to what I said earlier, where if I was ever assassinated, I would rather somebody investigate it in the manner that Candace Owens is than anybody at Turning Point USA.
Like there's, or the FBI or anybody.
There's a reason why her content is performing so well in the free market because there are so many unanswered questions.
If the FBI and the official entities were actually doing their jobs to the extent that they were supposed to, people wouldn't need to seek these other sources.
There's a lot of questions.
She has left no stone unturned.
She has, you know, espoused certain things to the point of sounding ridiculous, but she didn't care because in my head, I'm like, she's avenging her friend.
She doesn't care if she looks dumb or stupid or emotional, whatever.
All she cares about is getting to the truth, even if she looks a little bit silly sometimes in the process of doing that.
But I really, if that logic tracks, if my logic tracks of like, I would want somebody to avenge my assassination in the same way that Candace is, then bitch, show up for me.
Okay, you miss the first day of your streaming week.
Listen, the rhetoric that has carried her this far that has made people who are kind of in the middle about Candace, they haven't as skeptical as maybe some people in like the Groper community and whatnot, but they're not like all in believing and hanging to everything she says.
Like a lot of the Candace stands.
The one thing that stood out to me was the loyalty.
Like loyalty is something that I really, respect because it's so rare.
It's so hard to come by.
So seeing her, even at the point of sounding ridiculous and dumb, leaving no stone unturned to find out what happened to her friend, like that's why I've supported Candace.
So if you've made it, we didn't make it this far to only make it this far to give a corny quote.
You know what I mean?
We didn't make it this far to just make it this far.
What are we doing?
What are we doing?
So I don't know what's going to happen, guys.
I would like her to cancel her plans and attend in person.
Little presumptuous of me, maybe.
Maybe a little bit rude.
But hey, put your money where your mouth is.
Show up and do it and prove to those of us who believe that your reporting was done in good faith.
So the Democrats released some never-before-seen photos of and videos of Jeffrey Epstein's private island that are a harrowing look behind the scenes, Epstein's closed doors.
Well, hey, you and Epstein might have had something in common because, wait, look, all I'm saying, if you're going to traffic children, okay, at least do it with some class.
And that's where most people ask the majority of their questions.
But Danny, if you go into the chat now, and you can pull me back up if I'm not up, but go into the chat and there should be like a question box somewhere and see what people say.
He was talking about all of his campaign promises that he has coming into his election.
And I shared it and I made the very accurate, but also like meme-y statement that I don't have money, but I love you and hope you win.
It trended a little bit.
It got some shares, but I do want to say, like, on a more serious note, I got some comments that were like, hey, you don't have five bucks.
You don't have 10 bucks.
Let me make it explicitly clear to you guys.
When I say I went independent, I mean that I don't have an income.
This is the very first month, this month, the month of December, is the very first month that the revenue from my YouTube will actually come to me.
So it's a big deal.
I don't have any safety net.
I mean, my incredible fiancé is obviously supporting my dream and he's very talented and he has his own clients and businesses that he runs with editing and production and all of that.
But yeah, I literally don't have money.
I was a big hyperbolic.
However, what I will say is that I will pledge that my very first YouTube pay, I will donate to Thomas Massey's campaign.
And by the way, I didn't say that to you guys' super chat for me to donate.
Like, donate to your campaign himself.
Okay.
And yourself, I mean, and then any donations that would come into me anyways, it's all contributing.
And I will for sure donate to the last honest man in Congress because there's very few people in there that are not controlled by any type of interests that aren't controlled by foreign money.
You know, let alone what he did with the Epstein files.
Like that is for sure one of my number one issues.
And one of the things that Trump campaigned on that I'm sure really captivated the hearts of many people, probably specifically women, specifically, probably many survivors.
And it was a massive slap in the face to all of those people, right?
The way I see it is the Epstein files was much, much, much bigger than that.
It was aside from just bringing justice and vindication to the people who suffered at the hands of the operation that Epstein ran, it was also a signal to everyone across the world that somebody actually cares and somebody actually listens when it comes to these violent, not violent, sorry.
I'm sure in some cases, violent, but sexual offenses.
Because sexual offenses are the hardest to prosecute to win beyond a reasonable doubt.
Oftentimes, it's reliant on just simply witness testimonies.
And oftentimes that's not enough to convict on the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, right?
So I think everybody was really looking to this case.
Everybody who's never had justice, they were looking at this to say that finally somebody cares enough to do something.
And our government didn't.
Trump didn't.
The MAGA apparatus didn't.
But Thomas Massey did.
And for anybody who says he's not an effective politician, like I get it.
He doesn't sign on to many bills because he actually reads them.
Okay.
And most of them are filled with pork.
But this bill, this bill actually really matters.
And he wrote it and he got it passed.
And we're probably going to get the Epstein files.
Now, granted, they probably had enough time to be able to cover up whatever it is they need to cover up, which is a sad reality of the situation.
But it is what it is.
So yeah, absolute support for Thomas Massey.
And yeah, I will be pledging my very first pay that I have from YouTube coming in this month.
It's like around the 20th, something like that.
I will be donating to his campaign and I'll post it on X as well.
I think it's really interesting that Trump's like whole rhetoric was like, hey, we are going to solve this the first day I come into office.
And obviously it's proven to be a little bit more difficult.
But my stance is always very isolationist, right?
America first.
This is my stance.
I think that giving billions of dollars to Ukraine to fight this war is absolutely ridiculous.
I remember when the Democrats were trying to push their bipartisan border bill last year.
When Republicans didn't want to sign on to it, they were like, oh, it's because the Republicans want to be the ones to officially solve the issue.
They don't want the Democrats to be the ones to solve it.
They're trying to keep the problem bad so when Trump comes in, he can take all of the credit.
But when actually that was a bipartisan border bill that was omnibus in nature and was also stacked with so many other things, including billions of dollars in aid for Ukraine for their war as well.
So, no, I'm America first and isolationist in the sense that, like, I want America to be strong because only a strong America can actually protect Western countries that can't protect themselves and do the things that, you know, these countries want America to do, but we can't right now because we need to be focusing our resources on American people.
In fact, one of my close friends, her name is Lauren Hayden.
Shout out, Lauren.
And she actually did me a call yesterday.
We had a conversation.
She's like, you know, I'm so proud of you.
I love your content.
I'm just a little bit worried.
Just a little bit worried.
I just want to make sure you're not like hating the Jews, that you're not like anti-Semitic and you don't hate me.
Like, do you hate me?
We were good friends.
We've been through a lot together.
We've blah, blah, blah, you know?
And I think that this is where it's really difficult when propaganda gets involved.
And at the end of the day, people are always going to misconstrue your words.
And if they have that intention, they're not going, you're not going to be able to do anything to prevent that.
If they want to misconstrue you, then at the end of the day, they are going to misconstrue you.
But I think something that maybe helps is prefacing, right?
Prefacing, like, hey, I, you know, this is not in any way an indictment upon every single Jew that I've ever met, but at the same time, I don't want to do that.
That's kind of gay, you know, to feel like you need to preface every time you speak.
It's kind of, you know what?
If you're a loving person, if you're like actually a good loving person, then I think people are just going to be able to tell.
And if people are committed to misunderstanding you, they'll misunderstand you and they'll be committed to doing so.
But that doesn't matter.
Those aren't your people.
Your people are the people who are going to hear you genuinely, hear you authentically, and actually listen to what you're saying, to the merit of your arguments, and not try to lump it into like a propagandist talking point, you know?
I believe in everything that I'm saying about the Jewish lobby, the Israeli government, because I'm America first and because I'm Jesus first.
Danny, you had a great point on this.
Are you comfortable sharing it?
Yeah, I'm not sure what point exactly you're talking about, but I know when we were driving here, you were like, you know, last night when I had my mask on, I was thinking, thinking about, you know, this has become a spiritual thing for you.
It's we, as Americans, it's hard for us to understand where Jews are at right now because it's gone on for so long, this battle between them versus the pagans, right?
And when the Jewish people are the only people group in the world that are not only an ethnicity and a religion and like a nationalist state and a culture, like it's so intertwined that when you say the Jews are behind it, they go, Oh, you don't just hate me and my family and all my friends, you hate my God, you hate my land, you want like it becomes very emotional, and so I get that.
Um, but it it cannot be something that we can't question what's going on, and especially, I mean, just to the point of like, I think you said more specifically, like religiously, unless you don't want to talk about it.
So, okay, I've got a couple Bible verses to back it up.
I don't know if we should go through it, but basically, uh, Genesis 12 is something that I subscribed to for a long time with the Schofield Bible's interpretation: those who bless me will be blessed, or those who bless you will be blessed, those who curse you will be cursed.
I was totally gung-ho on if we don't support Israel, God's gonna punish us.
Galatians 3:6 through 9 totally Paul completely destroys that whole argument.
Something that's repeated in the New Testament over and over again: that Abraham was the father of faith, and that by having faith, we're now grafted in, and we are Israel, we are the chosen people.
And in Matthew, Revelation, it talks about it a lot, but specifically in Matthew 7:22, it says, Many will come to me on that day, Lord, Lord, have you not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name?
And I will declare to them, I never, I never knew you, depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.
Christians, including me, I get, I read this and it's a little discouraging because it's like he's talking to us.
I think he's talking to the people that claim to worship the same God that we do that spit on Christians and think Jewish think that Jesus is burning in hell.
These are the people that we are referring to.
And I don't even hate them.
I don't.
I think we should be able to talk about it and it not be a hateful thing.
It's like the outside in version where you're like, you say you're a Christian and you try to structure your life in a way that looks Christian on the outside.
Is that what you're talking about versus the people who like genuinely encounter Jesus?
I can just repent and they can't do anything and it's an impossible standard and they don't want to go through any type of purification process or anything to become more Christ-like or to actually have Jesus affect them to the point where they're convicted on something to where they want to make change.
And it's not just something for optics or appearances or looking like a good Christian.
It's because they know that if they move their heart posture in alignment with this thing, that they'll be better.
They'll, you know, they're, you're better when you're in alignment with God.
I know Orthodox Jews think the same way and what they're doing, they think is getting them there.
But Christ was very, very firm and you can only come to the Father through me.
That's why that verse in Matthew's heaven hits so hard when it's talking about these people because they're trying to go to the father and they disavow him.
So I don't really know too as much about the Orthodox faith.
Elijah, however, he has recently encountered Jesus and he is pursuing that relationship through Orthodoxy, through the Ethan Orthodox Church.
And I've heard great things about it.
Same for Joe Jabal, actually, head of Turning Point Australia.
We had lunch with him, dinner with him just the other week.
And he is Orthodox as well.
One of my favorite spiritual speakers, I mean, priests, bishops, whatever, people of the church who actually have like a YouTube channel is Bishop Mari Mari of Australia.
And what I love about them is it doesn't have this sewed in belief of, you know, Judeo-Christian because, you know, they are different at the end of the day.
People asked what I thought about the drug boats, blowing up the drug boats.
Listen, I'm all for reducing drugs that come into this country, but I think that we should trust off to verifying.
And in many of these instances, we have not seen any like solid, definite verification that these were drug boats.
And what is the reason why I'm particularly doubtful about this is because of the history and the relationship between the United States and Venezuela, especially during Trump's first term.
He had a, what's it called?
When you want to kill somebody, you put a hit.
No, but there's a specific, whatever, a hit.
Yeah.
A hit on Maduro, I believe, for like some amount of bounty, yes.
And it destabilized the country.
And, you know, so many immigrants from their port over here, they all ended up getting amnesty.
And to me, it seems a little bit like this is less about drugs and cartels and all of these things.
And it's a little bit more about a regime change war and monopolizing the resources that they have over there.
And I think that unless Trump is willing to actually fully go through with it and then prevent them from being able to come into the country, it's just going to do this exact same thing as last time where it's going to just destabilize them.
And then millions of their immigrants are going to pour over here.
The TP's TP USA invitation to Candace's Bad Faith.
Shame on Nick for trying to shame her into entering their trap.
A virtual meeting is more than a fair compromise.
Do you trust their security?
I see both points.
I genuinely see both points.
But like I explained earlier, Curveballs 126, it would be so blatantly insane for them.
Like, do you really think that what they would get out of that is more valuable despite them being seen as assassins in the eyes of literally every single?
Because there isn't a human alive, probably even Nick, that if Candace went to that and was taken out, everyone would be assuming the same thing, right?
So I think that that really mitigates it exponentially, but it doesn't remove the point altogether.
And I do understand where you're coming from with that.
And at the end of the day, when you're a mother, when it's not just your life, but you're a mother, you've a family, it's better safe than sorry, oftentimes.
