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Welcome back to The Rift Live Monday, Wednesday, Fridays at 7 p.m.
Although our time might be changing, don't forget that this show has been presented by uncensored.ai a new technology that we'll talk about in a moment.
But if you go to my screen here, Netflix loses market cap of $15.1 billion.
Isn't that crazy?
$15.1 billion.
Almost as much as we've sent to a foreign country overseas to launch a couple rockets one night out of the seven.
It's kind of a crazy world we live in where we talk about billions and trillions, but the average person can't even afford rent.
Speaking of the devil, and it's probably because I don't pay them enough.
Joining me today is our RiftTV.com contributor, Brandon Sorbo.
You guys have noticed we've been traveling for quite a bit.
We don't have to like, you know, play this video here.
But if you see right here, Sarah Stock and I spoke at Ole Miss.
Yes, it's a little crazy setup, but I'm looking at my friend here, Hennessy.
And let's just say our camera equipment disappeared.
It met some doctors and engineers.
It did.
It met some doctors and engineers who have decided to keep our camera equipment, about 10 grand for the camera equipment, and they've decided they were going to keep it.
So unfortunately, while it was around their proximity, they can't find it, even though it was in their possession.
And so, of course, we've lost that.
I remember Mike isn't on here.
You guys, you and your wife, you guys had lost some camera equipment as well inside of those great doctor and engineer headquarters during surgery.
And of course, just in case you guys want to know, this Thursday at 9 p.m. Eastern Time, we're continuing our We Won't Shut Up tour going on at University of Florida, where I hear there's a lot of more doctors and engineers as well in that area.
We're going to be talking about whatever we're going to be talking about, but that's about 9 p.m. at the Reichs Union 2365.
And you just showed me this right before we started, actually.
It's kind of interesting.
I was like wondering if people were excited for us to memorialize Charlie, who was murdered, by the way.
Later in the show, we have Dinesh D'Souza joining us.
But the College Republicans right here, UF College Republicans just uploaded this showing that our flyers have already been, you know, ripped up.
They didn't even do a good job at ripping it down.
It's like, you know, this is like one of those transition surgeries where they just put on like lipstick, but it looks like a fat guy steal with lipstick on.
Well, they don't tell you it when they when they apply.
Uh, let me go ahead.
Uh, hey, uh, uh, Mike, if you can go into my ex as well, and if you can uh give uh Soliman uh my number so he can call you when he's here and get in.
But um, let's just jump into the story for today because, guys, as much as it seems kind of stupid, um, we actually kind of do have a little bit of power.
I brought up this story here, which is quite interesting.
And um, you know, Netflix, I'm gonna play a little bit more of this, has been caught playing some very interesting games, and they're not squid ones.
No, these are uh games of sexually abusing children, which is what this is, right?
This is this is the essay of children.
This is the digital assault of children, okay?
If I could be me too'd for looking at you wrong, then my kids can be violated for you putting the wrong things in front of their eyes, and not even just putting the wrong thing in front of their eyes.
I've heard of goji berries, red berries, blueberries, blackberries, dragonberries.
Yeah, but now we have transberries.
Speaking of that, I did want to remind you guys something awesome.
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Starting today, we're going to get into all this way, all the ways that Netflix is losing money.
And I'm so shocked because who would think that literally putting sexually degenerate kinks from odd sexual fetishes in front of the eyes of like five and six-year-olds would make people want to cancel their memberships.
I'm also convinced that Netflix has nothing good.
That the reason why more people didn't cancel is because people didn't realize they have a membership.
I found out that I have a membership to Netflix Australia, of which I don't know how to cancel.
Okay, so that's how bad that's how bad things are.
They have my security deposit still for my apartment.
I'm not allowed to go pick it up and they're holding it in the bank.
Pepping said my family's there.
It's crazy.
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Because, you know, like I was at the store the other day and I was, dude, Mississippi is so crazy.
I was in Mississippi a little miss.
And like the guys got drunk and like pulled out like a 45 sort of shooting, like they took their microwave outside, sort of like shooting in the front yard, like things you can't do in other states other than Mississippi.
Like I'm all for it.
But then like, you know, like, you know, there's that whole like black rifle coffee thing where like we're mad and we shoot things.
So basically, let's just talk about this for like just a minute or two because I want to switch over to our other story.
You know, we talked a lot about these ideas of like what's going on and what's happening.
Now, what's crazy is that in the midst of this, Elon Musk came out and called for everyone to cancel their Netflix.
And that was because of a campaign by Libs of TikTok.
Now, what's even crazier is that this canceled Netflix campaign actually ended up being a paid campaign by Angel Studios, which I partnered with them on.
I was going to say, this is where I'll shout out Catholicism.
And no offense to my Ortho Rose.
I have a lot of Orthodox friends, but this is a complaint that they have as well because there aren't women in the Orthodox Church.
They're just not.
progressing there.
And so it's like, yeah, you can come up with as many excuses as you want.
You could say, oh, well, you know, it's just tough.
And it is.
Don't get me wrong.
Life sucks.
But also, there are good, good choices out there.
You just have to really be diligent.
And also, you have to meet them yourself.
I mean, I had high standards for a long time.
And I was told by people, by friends that are like, Brayden, your standards are way too high.
You got to lower them a little bit.
And I was like, I meet my own standards.
If I can meet my own standards, someone else can meet them too.
And then I found a girlfriend who meets all the standards and now we're chilling.
So it's like, yeah, it sucks.
But if you really want to save, you know, the white race, if you really want to bring American back, America back into prosperity, then you're going to have to have to actually try.
And so once again, it's not a dig at like, you know, people who aren't trying or people who are in unfortunate situations where they don't have the ability to.
But I've noticed a lot of the time, it really is just excuses.
And so as my friends and I say when we were doing our powerlifting days, don't give me excuses, give me results.
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Yeah.
Can we get a producer here to just get us off this screen here so that we can just go run over there and do this?
We could have sent, we could have sent Joey over there to do this.
If you could bring up my screen here for a moment, this is nuts.
So I don't know if you guys saw about this because we're going to have Dinesh D'Souza on in about 10 or 15 minutes here.
Barry Weiss, who is a reporter, right?
We're talking about all this crap in the media.
Netflix is worth about $491 billion.
They have the ugliest building in all of Hollywood.
And you got to realize when someone builds a building that's ugly on the outside, it's ugly on the inside too.
You got to kind of question your sanity here.
How does a streaming service that literally gives you black queens of England somehow become worth half a trillion dollars while forcing your kids to watch gay men kiss?
And you know what's crazy is I didn't even realize they were kissing.
I just watched it 35 times.
But I look at this and I'm wondering, like, you know, I'm out here trying to run a media company, trying to raise money.
We're trying to get donors and investors.
If you know anyone up there that wants to invest, we have new shows launching.
I'm just going to keep throwing it out there.
Please shoot me an email, alivejatriftv.com.
We have some investors and we want to keep expanding and growing and start more shows.
We want to start things.
It's hard.
But I realize that the Hasbro budget is what matters.
If you want to push degeneracy, if you want to push absolute filth on our children, you could be worth half a trillion dollars, ladies and gentlemen.
But also, on top of that, if you, as an individual, want to just only speak positively, simply positively, about the nation state of Israel, which is, I guess, there's nothing wrong with that.
It's a nice place.
There's great places to visit.
Jerusalem is a great tourist destination.
But if you only write the good things, you might also get $150 million.
New York Times is reporting the sale went through.
Paramount is now buying the free press for $150 million.
If you guys don't know how serious this is, I want to make sure that you're going to be able to.
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I don't think that we want to cheer on that, Mike.
This all seems fake, like the question that's this is my point, are they even real people?
Like like, kind of like, do you know about this?
Like, when Hillary Clinton releases a book, donors buy out the books so that they become NEW YORK Times bestsellers, so that they can gain notoriety and pedigree, and the books don't go anywhere.
How many, how many people read Hillary Clinton's book?
Yeah, i've never seen anyone with it anywhere.
I I ever, I never saw it anywhere.
When it was out I never saw anyone reading on a train and in a bus and a plane, but it was like NEW YORK Times bestselling overnight and it's like because some donor, Glary Ellison, will go and he'll buy like 15 million dollars worth of books and then and then change the charts.
So to me I feel like it's a system that's like, oh look, but she's profitable, but it's money laundering.
And now that they can't use Usaid because it's been gutted, they're just buying out the Hasborough budget, just buying out loyalty.
And what is the loyalty?
It's so that she could take over the the, the CBS NEWS, because they said that CBS wasn't being fair on the october 7th aftermath and the war, and so they had to change guard, like they did to the Ivy League schools.
And you see this constantly, where you get rewarded for mediocrity and that's what's so frustrating is that, like a lot of people think in this industry, like if i'm talented, if i'm talented, if i'm talented, I deserve it.
Or people think I deserve it because I want it, because I want it because I want it.
It's like you may get.
You may get lucky if you're talented, you may get lucky if you're ambitious.
But the way that you really get rewarded is by blind allegiance, by shutting up and by being the opposite.
It's like.
It's like how Liberty University canceled our speech because they were afraid.
They were afraid of the backlash.
So Liberty University restricted our liberty because they were afraid of of the of the price of liberty.
The FREE Press sells for 150 million dollars and, as uh, Barry Weiss said, why was it sold for 150 million dollars?
She said, from day one, the promise and the business proposition of the free press was always a promise.
We would marry the quality of the old world to the freedom of the new.
We would seek the truth and tell it plainly or a, and we would treat readers like adults capable of making their own choices.
So many people told us, toyed us, this was no longer possible, that the premise of the media company, built on the trust rather than partisanship, at best a relic from the past and at worst a fantasy that was Was never.
Was that the internet killed journalism, that there simply weren't enough Americans out there and such a media driven by honesty, independence, and integrity.
Our readers proved them wrong.
Our subscribers demonstrated that there's a market for honest journalism, and they've given us a mandate to pursue the mission from an even bigger platform.
Yeah, the readers gave you a mandate to spread pro-Israeli content, not the $150 million paycheck.
That's literally 154,000 subscribers, and $150 million is about $1 million, like per what?
Yeah, well, she said it was promised to her, which they love to sell.
What's the promise?
But the main thing is, yes, there's not a lot of views, but what they want to do is they just want to control the narrative.
They want to control the airwaves.
So you take these companies.
They really don't care how profitable it is, but they want to bump up the numbers.
They want people, the normies, when they go and they watch things on TV, they get the same message repeated over and over, like a Project Mockingbird effect.
So they start to believe that, you know, this is what the rest of America is thinking when it's not.
For instance, us having war in the Middle East.
This is something that, you know, majority of Americans now, we do not want.
We do not want blind allegiance to, you know, Israel or whatever country it may be.
But when you have these talking heads, these people just parroting it over and over and over, you know, the normies, they start to believe it.
And that's really what it is.
It's a form of control.
They don't care how profitable that company is because as long as their message is getting out and nobody else is getting in.
No, but I, can we not like have an actual deep talk about this for a second?
Like, genuinely.
Like, can we just talk about the inner workings of the intellectual economy of the world?
You know, like, like as if we're like Will Smith's son, you know?
I want to, I want to talk about the deep things.
No, but I, I, it, it, it's, I think it's a demoralization campaign to, like, they put smut in front of you.
But think about this.
It's like, like, and they go, well, you have no other option.
Like, you're just, like, people just don't cancel their Netflix subscriptions because it's like, well, that's just what there is.
Did you see even, I don't know, it wasn't Bluey.
Wait, was it?
Was it Bluey?
One of the shows, I think it might have been Bluey.
I don't know.
But they were like, oh, this is my mom dog and my other mom dog.
And I have two mom dogs or something like that.
And I was like, you see Tristan Tate?
I'm going to look that up right now.
But he put that up.
And then at the same time, you're like, man, well, I want to do something correct and good.
And then what happens?
You get the free press, which is about true and honest journalism, selling ourselves for $1,000 a subscriber because, gosh dang it, that's what truth is worth to us.
And you're like, you're $1,000 per subscriber at $10 a month, which means that at $100, I think it's about, they're about $100 a year for that site from what I see.
So it's going to take a decade before you even break even on the investment, assuming that there's a similar rate of growth and it wasn't sold out, maybe five to six years.
Who's buying that?
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Yeah.
Like, who's paying for that in this tight economy?
Well, a lot of these companies, as you mentioned, like for instance, Netflix and all the rest.
I mean, as I said before, it's more about pushing their narrative.
It's more about pushing the propaganda than it is about making money.
I mean, how many times have we seen Netflix was getting, you know, boycott Netflix, boycott Netflix, but they continue to put out the same crap.
It's the same thing with Disney, you know, losing billions of dollars, but then continue to go down the path of LGBTQ and all these other things.
So it's gotten to the point now where it's just about sending a message to us to indoctrinate children, to try to grab the youth and then have them believe in the same ideology that they have.
They don't care about what we really want and what people are really going to theaters.
Because when I go to the theater, the main thing I want to do is I want to forget the world.
I want to be able to go in.
I deal with enough craziness.
I want to be able to turn something on, kind of get out of all this political stuff and just enjoy myself and have a good time.
But unfortunately, everything has a message.
Everything is designed to get you to believe and think a certain way.
And they just really don't care.
Even the actors now, they come out.
We have so many actors and actresses that come out and they'll be like, the fans don't agree with the direction you took the movie.
And instead of finding a way to fix it so they can, because we are the consumers, you think you'd want the consumers to be happy.
No, they tell us that we're either racist or we're homophobic or all these other names versus actually putting out legitimate content.
It's not about a great script anymore.
It's about how many gay people you can put in it, how many disabled people you could put in it.
know that there's a couple others too but like i think the guy who plays matthew the the the gospel writer matthew came out in front of you know lgbt theology and was defending all the i'm not gonna lie I went the day after the Charlie Kirk assassination.
I needed to take my mind off things.
I went and saw the Demon Slayer movie in theaters with my brother.
And that was just three hours of action.
Zero politics, zero, you know, LG TV, barbecue, whatever.
That was fantastic.
And so there's a reason why that movie, I mean, I think the last I saw of it was made like $620 million, which surpassed the $615 million that Superman made.
So even people are getting fed up with their tired of Americanized.
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So as I bring Dinesh in, I saw something interesting.
You know, Dinesh has a new movie out, which we're going to discuss in a second.
And, you know, we talk a lot about the show, about the conflicts that are going on right now in Israel.
There's everyone, if you're living under Iraq, you would know even what's going on, the tensions between those two countries.
And whether you fall on the pro-Palestinian, like left-wing side, if you fall on the MAGA, pro-Israel side, or you're like me, where you're like, can we stop this bullshit?
The truth of the matter is, is that, look, I agree with a lot of people like Dinesh in the fact that I don't think Islam is compatible with the West.
I think that Islamic countries are very, very aggressive, have a lot of aggressive, you know, very, very interesting low-IQ Islamic people.
But my issue is, is that a lot of these people have been displaced and pushed into Western countries.
And I was reminded about what these people think, reminding you, don't forget that there is literally a caliphate proposition to take over the West that is very real, especially with those that left Syria, left Yemen, left Libya due to American and Israeli conflicts, joint conflicts with NATO.
Listen to this, this video here of what these people think about us and what's going on.
This is right here in the United Kingdom.
Watch.
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And you cannot go against Mariama.
Mariam Mashi.
Mariam Sheet.
I am from Africa.
I am from Africa.
So come and protect this country to be a Muslim country.
And Ama is going to make it all Islam.
Get you three Christians.
It's going to be an Islam country.
La La Illah.
get it boy, change your origin from a dirty Christian as you are, to your dirty mouth, your mouth is dirty You're dirty.
Don't dare everyone.
Don't you dare call me that.
Do you understand me?
I'll never once sold you.
You're a dirty Christian.
She's called me a dirty Christian.
Yes, you're her.
No, I'm not going anywhere.
And if you're you guys have physically removed me, she's just called me a dirty Christian.
There's the Muslim police officer in London telling the Christian that he's breaching the peace because he doesn't want to be disrespected in a Christian country for being called a dirty Christian.
Join me to talk about his new film, Dinesh D'Souza, author, filmmaker, and podcast host.
Yeah, you know, Tinesh, I really want to talk to you about the film and also some of your ideas because as we all know, this conflict has really divided not just the people in the Middle East, it's divided the world, right?
It's divided not just the left and the right, it's divided the right against the right.
It's divided families, it's divided young and old, it's even divided political parties, ideological groups, and even divided Christians.
This is what's so crazy.
And, you know, I really want to tackle this issue and talk to you because I'm sort of coming to God right now in this season of life.
And God's really changing my heart, right?
And this is obviously an issue that's hard because a lot of Christians really are split on this issue.
Now, when we're talking about the Palestinian-Israel conflict, I want to get into some things that you said.
But beyond the war itself, this new film that focuses on this division was the social aspect of what you're seeing dividing the right, your own disagreements with Tucker Carlson, like when you said this.
You said the problem with Tucker is not that he's bad for Israel.
He's bad for Trump and MAGA.
He's trying to rip MAGA apart ideologically and generationally.
I don't know his motives, but who can be blind to the effect of his actions and who benefits the left, the Islamic jihadis?
I mean, you're claiming that Tucker, who, of course, is a friend and colleague of both of ours we both worked with, is whether intentionally or unintentionally, you know, the way he's the side he's taking in this conflict, the side that he's promoting and the people that he's platforming is literally being destructive.
And that's like, that's pretty crazy to see you fighting.
Well, the two are actually somewhat distinct, although I recognize they've been somewhat blurred because my film is just out this week.
Look, here's the point.
I wrote in a book that came out about 2008 or 2009 that we were likely to see something very remarkable emerging, and that is a weird alliance, a strange bedfellows between the cultural left in the West.
Let's call it the LGBTQ left on the one hand and the radical Islamic jihadis on the other.
Now, when I said this, people were like, Dinesh, you're out of your mind.
These two groups are not compatible.
Are you really saying that the Folsom Street gays can go and make peace and they can go and belong somehow in Gaza or with the mullahs in Iran?
Are you saying that these Islamic jihadis would be comfortable in a kind of left-wing salon where you have all these orgies and all this stuff going on?
No.
But nevertheless, they're joined at the hip, these two groups.
They march together at Columbia University.
They have made common cause with each other.
Why?
Because they hate the same people.
And who are the same people?
Israel and the Jews on the one hand and Christians and the West on the other.
So leaving aside any debate on our side, this configuration has been created outside of us.
The Islamic jihadis and the left have partnered, regardless of what Taka Carlson or Candace or anybody have done.
They did that first.
Now, that leaves us on the other side.
We are the declared enemy, right?
The little Satan, Israel.
We, the West, and America are the big Satan.
And so the only question for us is: are we going to recognize who our enemies are, identify our friends, ally with our friends to undermine those enemies?
Or are we going to declare each other, meaning Israel and the United States are going to declare each other to be the enemy, fracture our own side, strengthen both radical Islam and the cultural left in the process?
I mean, this is not biblical analysis.
This is the very simple mechanics of realpolitik.
This is recognizing that you have a declared enemy, and either you wake up to that fact or you start fighting among yourself and weaken your own side.
So I want to, okay, so I want to pick your brain on that because obviously the film is called the dragon prophecy.
It's based on a book.
And I want to know a little bit about what the dragon prophecy is in the Bible and how it relates to modern-day Israel.
But I want to presuppose something.
What I don't understand about your position is, number one, you make a video like this that's reasonable.
And I see nothing wrong with going out and like interviewing survivors of October 7th attack because as somebody now, even with faith in God, I don't believe, even if they're occupiers, even though I understand politically, I can understand why they did what they did, but I don't think it justifies doing what they did.
I can understand why somebody kills an ex-wife who cheats on them or does something that they're mad about, but I don't think that it's necessarily a right thing to do, even if it does logically make sense.
I do think it was immoral.
However, I also believe that Israel let this happen.
I think that when you look at stand down orders from some of their generals, when you look at the way that they indiscriminately fired from the Apache helicopters that might have caused necessary civilian and collateral damage, when you see the fact that they have this extreme surveillance system and then they couldn't detect third world paragliders, I feel like we have another situation where you have a far-right government that is very unpopular with people.
They allow this event to happen and they let their people be killed to get a war that they wanted.
And maybe you could disagree with me on this.
To me, it's like, I get frustrated because it's like, I don't support Muslims.
I don't like Islam.
I don't support Muslims in my country, but I also firmly believe that the reason why we have so many low IQ Muslims in the West, particularly in Europe, is frankly due to the fact that we've fought 25 years of non-stop Israeli-inspired and Israeli-influenced wars from our government.
And it feels like we're being asked to support Israel or Palestine.
And a lot of us are like, Could we just leave these people alone?
And can you just leave us out of this?
Because we don't want anything to do with it.
How do you address that on the right?
People like myself who are kind of like not pro-Palestine, but we're also not pro-Israel by any means.
And again, we're not anti-Semitic.
We're not against the Jews.
We just do not like this regime and what they've done to capture, we believe, the political influence of our country.
So it looks to me that what you're missing here is that a lot of the United States being, quote, dragged into all this has absolutely nothing to do with Israel and a lot to do with the incredible stupidity of our own leaders.
Let's just look at a couple of examples.
Jimmy Carter pulls out the Persian rug from the Shah and we get Khomeini.
The United States is complicit in enabling radical Islam to get a hold of a major state.
What did Israel have to do with that?
Absolutely nothing.
Sheer incompetence on our part.
Then after 9-11, which by the way, notice that like October 7th, we missed that one completely.
In fact, we had a lot more advanced warnings than Israel did, right?
We had the bombing of the embassies, the bombing of Kobar towers, the attack on the USS Coal, and yet we completely missed, and by we, I mean everybody, the CIA, the Clinton administration completely missed the Bush administration, the incoming Bush administration completely missed it.
And so that can be explained by the fact that we were out to lunch.
Just like Israel, I think, is so divided.
They were trying to impeach Netanyahu.
There was lawfare going against him the same way as it was against Trump.
There was a big fight about the Supreme Court.
So deep polarization within Israel.
And I think that is the main reason why the Israelis completely took their eye off the ball.
They're focused on tearing each other apart.
And they didn't see that Hamas would come really almost ancient style on gliders and just with motorcycles right over the fence.
So that's the second point.
The third point is we get into the Iraq war.
There's no reason to believe that this is in Israel's interests at all.
Here's why.
Israel for a long time has supported secular dictators in that region, by the way, including the Shah, including Saddam Hussein, as a way of fighting against radical Islam.
For some reason, the Bush administration decides that even though there's no tie at all between 9-11 and Saddam Hussein, we're going to go over there and pulverize Saddam Hussein.
This is not in the interests of Israel, and there's no evidence that Israel, quote, made us do it.
The neocons here, yes.
Israel, no.
Now, turning to like Israel itself, look, I mean, these guys know what they're doing, and we don't.
I mean, do you think that our bungling CIA, these men in their high heels who go to DEI seminars, you think that these guys could have pulled off that Pager attack that Israel did on these jihadis?
I mean, that was strategic brilliance, flawlessly executed.
And so what I'm getting at is when we are fighting radical Islam and we don't know what the hell we're doing, and you've got a group of people who are on the scene, they are fighting radical Islam in Yemen and in Sudan and in and of course in Iran.
And mostly they're the ones who pulverized Iran.
We didn't.
At the last minute, they called Trump and he loaned them a B-2 bomber for like 48 hours.
You don't think that's a good price to pay in terms of return on investment?
Yeah, if Iran is deprived of nuclear weapons for 30 years, that's good for Israel.
But it's 10 times better for us because, as you as you just said, there's a global jihadi movement here, and the jihadis in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan don't care about Gaza, they don't spend five minutes thinking about the Palestinians.
Their goal is to infiltrate Australia and Canada and Europe and the United States.
So, we have to be aware of this much larger threat.
If you're saying that we shouldn't give Israel 3.8 billion, we should give him a billion or don't give him any money at all.
I mean, I want to have that debate with you.
We give so much more money to other places that give us the middle finger and do absolutely nothing for us.
So, my prudential view is that on the balance, I think we are getting a pretty good ROI.
But look, Elijah, you and I should not be fighting about this.
The main threat that we both face is the left in this country, a left that has made common cause with these radical Muslims, people like Ilhan Omar, like Mamdani.
So, if you're saying we need to focus primarily on what's going on within our country, I agree.
If you think we should view all of this within the lens of America first, I agree.
I'm not Israel first, I'm not obsessed with Israel.
Elijah, you know me well.
I've been making movies for about 12 years, I've made seven of them, I haven't touched the topic of Israel.
I've never made a I've never written a book on Israel in 30 years.
So, I think it's I can claim legitimately that I'm interested in this topic.
I was sort of drawn into it sideways because of my interest in biblical archaeology.
Then I got sort of drawn into October 7th.
So, the film developed in that way.
It certainly didn't develop to go into a fight with Taka Carlson, but hey, here we are.
I think in the spirit of good debate, let me agree with you real quick where I agree with you.
I want to play a clip from the United Kingdom of a Pakistani coalition, Islamic Pakistani coalition.
Listen to what they had to say, and then I want to rebuttal something you said.
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We will only truly get real power if not if we just have more Pakistanis sitting in council chambers and parliaments, but actually having more Pakistanis and Saudi Asians sitting in the corners of power making the decisions.
And that's where I'll end: is to say the change is coming, and the days where our South Asian community are viewed as a vote bank or a country bank are well and truly dawn.
The days where South Asian communities get to lead political parties and get to lead countries is now upon us.
The days when South Asian communities get to decide not just which school our children go to, but what they are taught in those schools.
Okay, so look, on one hand, I looked up someone to fact-check me on this.
I looked up the crime in Dearborn, Michigan.
Actually, it's actually gone down the more Muslim it's gone.
I looked that up, that might not be true.
That's what it said on state statistics.
Meaning, I know we look at the images, it's a foreign culture, and so obviously, we don't want the West to be Islamic.
We are not Islamic, we have fought against the Turkish, the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years to be a Christendom and to be a nation.
And there is a radical Islamic takeover, particularly in Europe and in some cities in the United States, the Midwest, orchestrated largely by Obama, by the way.
You know, that was intentionally pushed there.
People say Obama's Muslim.
I'll say this: I want to agree with you that, yeah, look, that's the radical left working with Islamic radicals to radically transform the demographics of our country.
And I believe that.
I mean, the amount of people that came in under Biden, I mean, that's that's we can't fix that.
And look, I know you're you're, I guess they call it South Asian now.
It's like, I mean, you're Indian, but you're Christian, and I think you're you're you know, you're Christian.
We get along, and even more now, I understand.
You know, I can totally relate to people based upon our faith in Christ.
But obviously, most Indians are not Christian, they're Hindu.
Most of these Arabs are not Christian.
They are Muslim.
But what I'm saying to you is like, there's no way that you use 9-11 as an example when that we missed it.
Multi-trillion dollar academic powerhouse with all of the foreknowledge didn't know that we were going to be attacked when Alex Jones, a guy in his basement, quote unquote, could call it and said, Osama bin Laden's going to fly planes into the towers, but we missed it.
Like that they were running air drills that day, like international, you know, they're shutting down radars.
Like we saw some of the same stand downs happening.
Like there's like there's a way to not be anti-Semitic, Dinesh, and then be like, hey, Netanyahu needed this war to stay in power.
And he, since the 90s, has wanted the Greater Israel Project to succeed.
And every country, including now Iran, that he has wanted to invade.
The U.S. has helped coalition forces.
We haven't invaded Iran.
He still wants troops on the ground, but we started bombing them.
That he is using our government to fight his wars.
That Americans are getting tired myself, that we are being slandered as anti-Semites.
We are being slandered as like Ezra Levant slanders me as a Jew hater, all because I am trying to be honest with my audience that there is a select group of powerful Zionists and Zionist Jews, right?
Many Zionists are not Jewish.
Many Zionists are white.
Most Zionists are white, I would say.
White Christians are Zionists.
And I'm not anti-Christian.
No one says that I'm anti-Christian when I call out white Zionists.
So I'm saying there is white Zionists and these powerful Jews.
And I want accountability because I believe they've captured.
I was offered thousands of dollars just this week to start shit talking Muslims.
That's not even a joke.
And one of them was to spread lies about Qatar influencing our universities, which has been debunked.
The money went to buy lease names for their own, for our schools in their country, not to influence curriculum.
And it's like, I'm seeing all this on the back end.
And I feel like when you're calling Tucker crazy, you're like basically, because I align a lot with what Tucker's doing.
I feel like I'm not as famous as Tucker.
I'm probably not even worthy of being called out by you.
I'm privileged to have you on the show.
I respect you a lot for being willing to come on the show.
But it feels like people like yourself are just like discrediting people like me when I'm not discrediting you.
You know, I take your position seriously and it's formidable, but I'm trying to disagree.
But I feel like you're just being said, oh, we're aligning with the left.
How am I aligning with the left by trying to keep America American and keep the politics America first, not Israel first?
Well, if you are living in World War II and there's a great fight, let's say, going on between the Allies, which is to say the West, and the Nazis, there is that fight.
It's going on.
You can't avoid it.
And so you're either on one side or the other, right?
If you basically say, all right, my goal really is to expose Winston Churchill.
I'm going to show that Winston Churchill is the real villain of World War II, not Hitler.
Hitler had some understandable grievances.
And sure, he might have gotten slightly out of control.
Then I would say objectively, you are against the Allies.
And whatever you're doing, whatever its motive, it could be very benign.
It could be that you had German ancestors and you feel benignly toward them.
But objectively, you are helping, if you will, the Nazi cause in this fight that's already going on.
So that's not really a name calling.
It's just a description.
It's not an accusation.
It is, this is the effect of what you're doing.
And I'm saying it to you, you know, as a friend, so to speak.
So I'm not chastising you.
I'm simply saying, look, the effect of what you're doing is this, whether you intend to do it, you know, or not.
Now, when you say things like, and look, these accusations aren't new, right?
People said that FDR knew that the Japanese planes were coming to bomb Pearl Harbor.
He knew it in advance.
He didn't have a, he wanted the U.S. to get into World War II.
There was enough internal opposition that he let it happen because that was his clever way of getting us into the war.
And this has been a kind of theory that's hovered around really for 75 years.
Similarly, about 9-11, you're saying, how could it happen?
Well, I'm old enough to know that the CIA has not gotten one thing right since the 1940s.
I followed CIA analysis of the Cold War.
These people are some of the biggest idiots the world has ever seen.
They constantly misjudged the Soviet Union.
They claimed that the Soviet Union was going to keep going for another 50 years at the minimum.
When the Cold War ended, right to the very end, they were saying that it was never going to happen.
So think about what morons and buffoons have been running this country, at least the intelligence services.
So I'm not in the slightest bit surprised that they were completely fooled by a group.
See, if the Islamic guys had tried to sort of outwit the CIA on technology, they would not have succeeded.
They chose a brilliantly primitive way to operate.
And the same with October 7th.
I mean, Hamas basically came, they just drove across the fence.
They didn't try, you know, the Israeli security for the last 20 years has been talking about the need to move to cyber security and they're worried about cyber attacks that would disable the communications networks.
Hamas didn't need any of that.
They basically just sent savages in human gliders, almost like you're doing parasailing on the beaches of Florida, and they came in that way.
And that's the one thing that the Israelis weren't ready for.
So if you're saying that they knew in advance, you have a really heavy burden of proof of saying that basically a Jew from a military family like Nedan Yahoo, who has basically been fighting for his country and shed blood his family has for Israel, is going to sell the Jews out.
I mean, look at it this way, Elijah.
How come the Israeli left, which hates Nedan Yahoo, has not been able to out him for this, savage him for this, take him down for this?
If there was a shred of evidence that Nedan Yahoo allowed or knew about this in advance, Nedan Yahoo.
The opposition party is what who released the audio and the video for the Apache helicopters firing munitions blindly without verifying the targets, which allegedly is what blew up the vehicles or the cars that they showed.
So the opposition party did release Careless and also the tank that blindly was firing the kibbutz into the homes.
That was his opposition did release that.
That's where I saw it.
I go, I actually didn't know if they let it happen right when it happened.
I guess.
I was like, how could this have occurred?
But it feels like we're being gaslit.
Like, I feel like I know that you're smart and I know that the money's like, I know that the money is not like what your detractors say.
Like, this is dumb.
Like, to you guys, Dinesh is rich.
He doesn't need $7,000.
Like, it's insulting.
He doesn't need $7,000 to post about Israel.
And he's not doing it for $7,000.
But I'll be straight up with you from the industry.
I know that the position you're taking guarantees safety with donors, guarantees safety with investors, and it guarantees mainstream acceptance, especially with the distributors that need to put out films and movies.
And the reason why I'm not accusing you of just doing it for that reason is you're coming on this show.
You're trying to get this movie out to everybody.
You're trying to show this to people who agree or disagree.
You're not just going into safe zones.
You're willing to go into people that are hostile.
You're willing to go into opposition.
And so to me, that's evidence that you're not just doing it for whatever reason.
I think you're convicted.
That's what you believe.
And that's what you think, right?
So I'm not thinking you're just doing it for, like, some people I think are doing it for that reason.
Some people even come against Israel just for clicks or the money they do.
They're just, it's popular.
That's what they do in the leftist circles.
But it's like, like, you know, with what's going on, I guess the burden of proof is When I look at the situation and this leads to a war that is the war above all wars, the war that he needed, how is it right as he's about to be overturned?
That even Charlie Kirk, may he rest in peace, Charlie Kirk was on Patrick Bett David suggesting this very thing shortly before he was assassinated.
I'm not connecting the two together, so don't nobody off there put words of my mouth.
I'm not connecting Israel to the murder of Charlie Kirk.
I'm just saying that he was noticing that, you know, how could they not have known about this?
And that's a man who loved Israel, who supported the state, who wrote a letter to Netanyahu.
Sort of, I didn't take it as a love letter, took it as a, look, dude, it's off my hands.
You've got to fix your PR because you're losing people.
Look, here's what, what am I defending here, right?
I'm defending really the Trumpian position.
What's the Trumpian position?
We're not at war with Muslims.
We don't want to be at war with Muslims because we're going to be having to take on 2 billion people plus.
We don't want to do that.
The good news is that with the Abraham Accords, a number of the Muslim countries are willing to do business with us and they're willing to do business with Israel.
Now, the peace plan for Gaza involves an independent kind of international authority, probably predominantly Muslim, with people from Saudi Arabia, with people from Jordan, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, the Gulf kingdoms, and so on.
This is the right way, in my view, to handle it.
It's not for us to pull out.
It's not to declare Netanyahu is, you know, that he is the tail wagging the dog or he is the puppeteer and Trump is the puppet.
Anybody who knows Trump realizes, no, Trump is not going to be bullied by Netanyahu.
If anything, in this peace plan, Trump is saying to Netanyahu, look, you're not going to want to release these terrorists.
You're not going to want to give safe passage to the Hamas guys, but I'm going to make you do it because I want to see the fighting stop.
And Israel is like, okay, boss.
So I think here is a clear refutation of the idea that somehow Israel is manipulating our politics.
They're controlling Trump.
I'm basically saying, look, I know that we all have a little bit of PTSD because the CDC lied to us and the FBI lied to us and they stole the 2020 election.
And you know I'm on board with you on all of that stuff.
But it doesn't mean that it follows from that that everything the government says is always a lie.
We do need to, I'm not against asking questions.
And my objection to Tucker is not that he asks questions, it's that he doesn't ask questions in an open-minded way that seeks answers.
It's that he uses a kind of ventriloquist journalism where he has the nun with a mustache.
He asks her a leading question.
He already knows the answer to the question.
She gives him the approved answer.
And then he goes, Wow, my mind is completely blown as if he never thought of it.
So this is not the quote open debate that he calls for.
I think we should have an open debate.
Elijah, I would be willing to debate Taka Carlson on your show one-on-one for two hours straight in a very cordial way.
I'm not going to call him names.
I never have.
I never suggest that he takes money from anywhere.
I've never called him an anti-Semite, but I do think that this is a very fracturing issue inside of MAGA.
And if we start with some goodwill, we're all good guys.
We've been friends for a long time.
We can argue this out without having to kind of come to blows over it.
If you can pull it up in a second, I want to play the trailer here.
The devil hates the Jewish people.
This was a line for the trailer.
Firstly, I just want to ask: why do you think the devil hates Jewish people?
And how do you respond to the claim in the Bible that anyone who rejects Christ is an Antichrist, therefore against God?
In 1 John 2:22, it says, Who is the liar?
It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ.
Such a person is the Antichrist, denying the Father and the Son.
Jewish people rejected Jesus, and so some say that they fall into this category.
I know that you personally likely don't believe that, or maybe have a different perspective to the Orthodox or Catholic traditions on this, assuming you might be Protestant or something to that regard.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just end with this.
1 John 4:3 says, Every spirit that does not confess Jesus is from God.
This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming and even now is already here.
So, to reiterate that question, why do you think the devil hates Jewish people?
And how do you respond to the traditional ortho or Catholic position, even traditional Protestant position of Martin Luther on the position of Jews and Christians and our perspective, how we should be thinking or treating them in this age?
Dinesh, coming back into my previous question, if you guys are just joining us in the studio for the first time, the question was: in that trailer, you know, you say that the man says that the devil hates the Jewish people.
And why do you think the devil hates him?
And also, how do you respond to the claim, like in 1 John 2:22, who is the liar?
It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ, such a person is the Antichrist, denying the Father and the Son.
In 1 John 4:3, every spirit that does not confess Jesus is from God.
This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
How do you respond that the Jews reject Jesus?
And so they also fall this category of the Antichrist.
There's got to be a balance.
What's your theological perspective there?
And how do you weigh that with your support of the nation state and the Jewish people?
Now, not to wave any credentials on you, but I will mention that I have written three books on Christian apologetics, including one called What's So Great About Christianity.
So I've debated many of the world's leading atheists, including probably 10 times Christopher Hitchens.
So I'm actually very familiar with this material.
And I'm not giving it from either a Catholic or Protestant perspective distinctively.
I'm adopting the approach of what C.S. Lewis called mere Christianity, which is the absolute agreed-upon common ground of the faith, not some denominational squabble between the Catholics and the Protestants.
I stay away from those.
Now, how does the devil hate the Jewish people?
Here we get to the title of this film, The Dragon's Prophecy, a reference, by the way, to the book of Revelation, Revelation 12, where the dragon, clearly identified as the devil, is attacking a woman, clearly representing Israel, who is pregnant, clearly representing the child or the Messiah.
That is the agreed-upon understanding of what this imagery means.
Now, we talk in this country and we have for some time that underneath our political debate is a moral debate.
Underneath the moral debate is a spiritual debate or what some people call spiritual warfare.
But we never ask who is the warfare between?
Who are the combatants in this spiritual warfare?
Who is fighting?
And what are they fighting over?
So the movie offers a theory, and it's just worth thinking about.
It's advanced by a couple of people in the film.
And it is, you know, in a film, we interview a number of sources.
And this is a theory that I think is very provocative.
And it's this: that the devil cannot defeat God.
The devil cannot dethrone God.
So what does the devil do?
He finds the things that are important to God and he tries to smash those.
But the serpent says, look, Adam and Eve are God's cherished creation.
And so if I can ruin them, I'm going to get my revenge on God that way.
And so, the argument here that is only briefly mentioned in the trailer is this, that the devil attacks the Jewish people.
Because if the Jewish people are, quote, the chosen people of God, the devil is going to say, all right, I'm going to get a big laugh on God if I can ruin these people.
If I can throw them out of their own ancestral homeland, if I can run them out from the river to the sea, if I can take their own holiest site, the site of the Solomonic temple, and stick an Islamic victory arch on top of that with the Al-Aqsa mosque next door, if I, the devil, can go and sit on the holiest site of Judaism and Christianity, then this will be a kind of delicious revenge on God.
Now, I admit this is a theological argument.
You may or may not agree with it, but you have to admit it's very provocative, it's very interesting, and it explains not only why there's an attack on the Jews, but why there's also attacks that are growing against the Christians.
Why?
Because the Christians are, at least from the Bible's point of view, spiritual Israelites.
The New Testament is engrafted on the old.
And therefore, it's not surprising that the devil would take on not just the Jews, but would ultimately also take on the Christians, which are kind of the other children of this woman mentioned in Revelation 12.
And so, what do we see if we look around the world?
We basically see that not only is there an attack on Israel, there's an attack on Christians worldwide.
And who is leading that attack?
The same people, the radical Muslims.
And also in the West, we're seeing attacks by the cultural left, which hates Israel and hates the Christians.
So, this is a way of saying that these prophetic images and ideas from the Bible do find empirical support in the world that we see around us.
Now, let me briefly address your second point, and I'll try to do it justice in a very succinct way.
We have to distinguish, when we talk about things like replacement theology, you have to distinguish the spiritual new covenant, which does replace the old covenant.
I completely agree with you that Jesus is the path to salvation.
The Jews are not on that path, at least not the Jews who reject Jesus, only the Jews who accept Jesus.
So, spiritually, we're totally on the same page.
But let's remember that from the beginning of Christianity, we find, for example, in the church, Father Augustine, he talks about the city of God and the city of man.
In the city of God, what you are talking about is correct, but you're forgetting the city of man.
Now, the city of man is the actual Bible as a function of history.
Here comes God, He manifests Himself through a particular people, the Jews, at a particular time and in a particular place.
And He gives a particular piece of land, not the best piece of land.
I wouldn't have chosen it myself, but God decided I'm going to give this God-forsaken piece of earth to Abraham and his descendants.
This is very clearly stated in the Bible.
And what I'm saying is, God did never reneged on his word.
God never said, I'm giving it to you as long as you're well-behaved.
And by the way, if you start misbehaving, I'm taking it back.
There's no such thing as giving a gift and, quote, taking it back.
All land is given in perpetuity.
Elijah, if you or I buy a house, we own it in perpetuity.
We can give it to our descendants.
If we get that land conditionally, then we never got it.
It was never ours in the first place.
So, either you believe that God gave the land to Abraham and his descendants, or you somehow believe that God was some sort of a kind of a playing a trick on them and said, You can have this land, but at some point, if I change my mind after Jesus comes.
So, what I'm getting at is this: yes, spiritually, there is a new covenant that replaces the old, but no, the New Testament does not replace the old.
And no, the land promises given to Israel and the Jews are valid today as they were 3,000 or 4,000 years ago.
Dinesh, you said, you have your new book out, new movie out based on the book, The Dragon Prophecy.
But my opinion is this.
When Jesus died and rose again, just like with Pharaoh, God says he hardened their hearts.
And in any place in the Old Testament, well, I haven't been following God for most of my adult life and have barely been, you know, I have to be humble about this, you know, just meaning I've barely been coming to a place of receiving God's grace and his love.
So I'm not coming at this from a hierarchical or theologically, you know, sophisticated position.
But, you know, what I've noticed is the patterns.
I notice a lot of patterns.
The noticing is very strong in this one.
And when the hearts of anyone was hardened, they ended up doing great, great evil and very evil things.
And the Bible says that they would return back to the land, the eschatological ending.
You probably do have some validity that the land was given to them.
Now, how much of that land?
What land?
So do we give them Jordan?
Do we give them Syria?
Like, this is a question, right?
Is it the great empire?
Is it at the height of their empire?
So what do we give them?
That's the question I have.
And too, if God didn't soften their heart, then it means God may still be using them.
But is God using them as a tool for himself?
Or are they a tool of the enemy?
Are they hardened in their heart?
The enemy is using them, but God uses all things together for good.
That God even uses the darkness of what they're doing to the Palestinian people, the senseless murder, which, by the way, I won't justify even our white colonialism where people use that.
Well, you guys murdered people, and it wasn't right.
Massacring people wasn't correct.
I think it's over exaggerated in our own history, but yeah, it wasn't right.
Just like 9-11, the fact that we ignored that intentionally, I believe it appears that way.
It's not in the burden of proof to definitively say that, but it appears from what I've seen that that was somewhere down the line, people intentionally let the telephone line break.
Then that justifies them, you know, letting their telephone line break.
I think we are witnessing on TV an ethnic, intentional ethnic cleansing that may or may not be successful in a relocation of people.
And my question is, I just end with this, is what did God promise them, Dinesh?
Is the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, what did God promise them?
Because I was called an anti-Semite for an entire year after October 7th for telling people that it wasn't about the hostages, it was about the land.
Yeah, I don't think that it is fair to say that God drew a specific border.
I think, in fact, we have had kind of a two-state solution when Gaza was basically run autonomously.
They elected their own government, which is Hamas.
I want to emphasize that in this film, nowhere do I justify civilian casualties on either side.
In fact, there's a line in this film that when I heard it, I'm like, I've got to put it in this film.
It's from Golda Meyer, and it's from a book she wrote in 1972.
She said, we can forgive the Arabs for killing our children, but we cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children.
I think that the civilian deaths on both sides are basically victories of the dragon, which is to say of the devil, of the evil one.
And I won't defend them.
Now, I will say one thing about the replacement theology, because I want to leave sort of your listeners and viewers with this point.
Very early on, there was an important meeting, as far as we know, the only meeting, between the Apostle Paul and the 12 apostles, or the key apostles and disciples of Jesus.
And they were basically arguing over the question for the Gentiles, do they have to, quote, become Jewish?
Do they have to follow Jewish laws?
Do they have to keep the Sabbath?
Do they have to be circumcised?
And basically, the outcome of that debate, which is the beginning, by the way, of the story of the Acts of the Apostles, is that the agreement was this, that the Gentiles do not have to follow the Jewish laws and diets and customs.
They don't have to keep the Sabbath, but they have to keep everything else, which is to say, they are not repudiating Abraham.
They're not repudiating the Exodus.
They're not repudiating the Ten Commandments.
They're not repudiating the Hebrew prophets.
And by the way, to do those things is basically to put yourself outside the bounds of Christianity.
So yes, as Gentiles, there are many things that the Jews do.
They keep certain festivals.
They eat certain foods.
We don't do those things.
But that is not to say that there's any kind of complete break with the Old Testament.
That is simply, that's not dispensationalism or some sort of Protestant mumbo jumbo.
And I will remind people just to come to a place of agreement.
You know, as I mentioned, guys, we are speaking at the University of Florida on Thursday on a We Won't Shut Up tour about fighting against radical left-wing violence and coordinated attacks.
And the posters have only lasted like three hours, I think, and they're being ripped over all over the campus.
This is what these people think about freedom of speech.
That's why, even as we talk about this, I think Dinesh and I agree that I think Dinesh might be one of the few people who we disagree on this issue, but we realize that it's like, well, we agree on like 99% of other issues on what the world needs with the world needs Jesus.
America needs freedom.
We need liberty and we know that our rights come from God.
And I think I just want to remind people that I respect Dinesh.
And this is the difference, by the way.
I'm going to be, this is cold, but this is the difference between the Indians that we are getting versus why the racism towards Indians is like on the rise.
Because now we're not getting like these smart, rich Chads that come in and are like, you know, intellectual.
We're getting these scammers that are coming from these fake colleges.
You know what they're doing.
You've seen it.
Set up fake colleges, sending out low caste people.
And it's like absolutely crazy where people didn't mind Indian people before.
And now there's like extreme.
One time I'd love to have you come on and talk about like the rise of anti-Indian racism and how I think it's really interesting how it's probably agree on a lot of that, Elijah.
I commend you guys, you and Braden and all of you for your bravery in doing this because this is this is the right way to show them the bad guys that they're not going to win on this one.
Yeah, we'll see you there Thursday night at 9 p.m.
We'll be right back.
It is don't go anywhere.
We're taking about two to three minute break.
We're going to get our guests set up.
And we're going to be talking about October 7th, some of the things Dinesh said, going into some crazy, cringy stuff that the left has done.
We're going to talk about Islam, the rise of Islam, some of those things with him because there's some campaigns to get people to hate Muslims.
Should we hate Muslims?
Or should we realize it's a psyop?
There's a lot of questions I have.
Plus, the biggest story on the night, it's the 250th year anniversary of the Navy, ladies and gentlemen, which was actually the conclusion of what Dinesh was trying to tell us all.
You know, we talk a lot about, I want to play something actually really, really graphic here that I think is obviously going to, you know, genuinely scare you.
You know, something that I think being around October 7th is something that we've all come to hate.
Well, we were talking about low IQ Muslims, which I think is a very important distinction.
In my opinion, I think there's a bit of a psyop about Islam that people are unwilling to accept.
Not that it's, I'm a leftist.
I'm not trying to talk about accepting Islam into the West.
I don't even mind saying it to your face.
It's more or less just like there's been an intentional influx of low IQ people, whether they're Muslim or whatever.
And I think Islam, I don't, I think Islam is a militant religion, in my opinion.
I want you to tell me if you want to debunk this.
But I also think when you fluck influx people in a war, the people that get displaced are like low-income workers.
Like, you know, there's still need for doctors during war.
But, you know, maybe you're not building new houses, you know?
Like, and if you're not in a very civilized country that is making, you know, massive amounts of armaments and there's a bunch of blue-collar jobs available, people often flee as refugees.
Got millions of these Muslims, millions going into Sweden, millions going into Germany, Syrians primarily, people from Yemen.
And you get these real idealistic extremist Muslims.
And instead of dealing with them, the Western countries, out of not wanting to be Islamophobic, let these extremist cells develop, like gangs like MS-13 in El Salvador or something like that, Trende Aragua in Venezuela.
And then they sort of like radicalize the youth because they're foreigners, they feel displaced.
And you get this generation, kind of like we see with Hispanics in like LA, who join gangs and thugs.
And you get this real, real unwelcoming side.
I want you to be honest as a Muslim yourself.
How much of this is don't gaslight me like Dinesh?
I'm asking you like one thing I give you credit for is like a lot of people make these statements, but they're too scared to have someone on who can actually give a different perspective.
Or I'm a bit more left-wing in certain ideas as well.
Yeah, I don't usually ask people to get a black thing right in their face.
But if you can, just like, just like mess with your mic and keep it right in front of your mouth, because yeah, if you have enough you to like lean in, because I don't want you to go out of the speaker there.
But, you know, I ask you, how much is it right where I don't, I personally don't believe that, like, yeah, maybe having one Muslim here is not going to be a problem.
It's not going to affect the world.
It's not going to affect our country just having you here.
But when you have too many Muslims in a Western country, you lose your Western identity.
You lose your value set.
And it's just almost kind of hard to admit.
It's like we lose a little bit of the liberalism, which I'm not even upset about, but you bring in a conservatism that is not Christian.
So it's still foreign.
Like, it's just like leftism to me, asking girls to cover, you know, to cover their hair or their bodies out in public and sort of this, you know, the idea of Sharia law, of honor killings.
I do meet enough Muslims, including people that are my neighbors here, who do admit, like, yeah, we do want a Muslim-controlled government.
And I just wonder how much of that is real that if we let Muslims in, regardless of whether they're low IQ or high IQ, that if we let too many Muslims in the area, they will become a political system and it is a political system.
So is Islam a political system or is it really just a religion where if you let a couple you know, a couple, I don't know Ashkenazi Jews into the area, we're in a Jewish city, it's still on, it still operates like America because America's a Jewish country.
So so it is right.
But I but I mean I so is is it a?
Is it a political tool or is it just a gentle religion?
Look, I'm gonna be honest and if there's anything you disagree with, do push back, because the whole point is to have a conversation, right.
So obviously I disagree with like that entire, like presentation of the argument.
Um, when you look at migration into, for example, the Uk, it's not a Muslim invasion, that's just fake news, that's been propagand, that's propaganda by the Zionists intentionally done so.
For example, a lot of these NGOs and institutions, like the David Horowitz Organization or Shillman, who basically pays people like Tommy Robinson, they perpetuate this idea, but in reality, it's not true.
Generally speaking, people, well, in London, Muslims, again, they're not the majority.
There's like, I believe there's like 20%.
In the UK, there's 6%.
Now, in terms of is there really a Muslim invasion, this is a real question.
It's really important.
So in 10 years from 2010 to 2020, because we do census every 10 years, what percentage increase do you think has happened in terms of Muslims in the UK?
Yeah, but in a small island with like a limited population, that's a birth rate.
But with low birth rates, if you juxtapose low birth rates and the birth rates of Muslims, you're talking about like a plus with increased immigration.
By the way, I want to clarify.
I'm not worried as much in England just about Muslim immigration.
The reason they want a better future, more opportunities, better income.
The reason the UK wanted them was because there was harsh working conditions at that time and they needed more workers.
So, for example, my grandfather, when he came, he came worked in the steel factory in basically a Paul area, which is Middlesbrough, as did many of the migrants who came from Pakistan at that time.
So, like, my family has been in the UK for what, 70 years now?
So, let me ask you a quick question because he's writing on some notes too.
But so, obviously, the UK, you know, really developed in ways that a lot of nations didn't, especially during the 1800s, early 1900s, as the empire grew under the conditions, let's say more 1800s under manufacturing, right?
And the idea that these jobs, why are these jobs then given to migrants?
And why were they not given to, let's say, people that the English look down upon, like the Irish?
Why were these jobs not relegated?
Was it just low birth rates?
Or why did all of a sudden they start bringing in Pakistanis and people?
Like, I'm not against anyone, you know, for the color of their skin or anything, but I might become that way if things keep up because I feel like people are like the way that we're breeding and the way that white people are allowing immigration is like sort of like lower form of the tower of Babel.
It's like, oh, we don't have to follow the rules of society and civilization.
We can just do whatever we want.
We just, you know, have sex with whoever we want, whether it's a boy or it's a girl or it's 10 girls or 10 boys.
You know, we can like, we think we're above like the reality of how systems work.
And we're like, if we just invite people who don't think like us, don't act like us, don't look like us, we'll like this beauty, we can maintain this beauty, not realizing that, you know, I saw this video here that I want to play that I think is interesting.
You know, we used to build cathedrals and churches and our art was was absolutely beautiful.
And now, did I say, is it on here?
Oh man, maybe I saved.
Oh, wait, I think I saved it on my in my bookmarks, actually.
Let's not get into too much of my bookmarks.
But yeah, look at this.
We used to build beautiful things and now art installations look like this.
Yeah, well, I've, where do you think film this video?
This isn't from the internet.
This is my video.
No, but you look at this and you're like, meanwhile, like, I'm like, yeah, white people, what are we doing?
And then you see this and you're like, yeah, the question is, what are we doing?
And so, I mean, you're third generation, so you're probably the wrong person to ask because you've been around.
But so I want to, that's why I kind of want to ask you, as somebody whose parents didn't come in hordes, it came in a time where there was a need that, you know, I might even say if they came to rebuild Britain, like that, that's what I'm saying.
There's a different kind of immigrant that came in after the war, right after the war, people who seem to care about our culture or share in our culture, and they seem to want to identify.
So, it's, I mean, I can, I'll just give you an example.
So, like, when my grandparents came in the 1960s, they came to the UK and they were like, wait a sec.
Like, I disagree with you when you say like Islamic Muslim values are like different.
I don't think they're that much more different than Christianity.
So, when my grandparents came to the UK, they were like, okay, these guys believe in family values.
They believe in Christianity.
They believe in defined gender roles.
They believe in a lot of the values that we find in our religion.
And we're not having to change that much.
Like, it's very similar to what we believe in.
And so they were like, cool, they're coming to the UK and they end up staying here.
And so that's what they basically bought into.
But now, if you look at what British values are, British values aren't that.
It's liberalism.
It's LGBTQ.
It's trans.
So in reality, what has changed?
It's not, for example, my grandparents or the people they came into at that time.
It's actually society's changed.
And obviously, we know the reason why it changed.
That's a separate point.
But that's actually what's changed.
Also, the second point is on this in terms of like when I, when you talk about second or third generation.
So when our grandparents came in, yes, of course, they suffered some racism, right?
And they would just take it because they were like, look, we're kind of visitors in this country.
People have been racist to us.
We're going to, you know, we're outsiders and we're going to, you know, we're going to keep ourselves to ourselves.
But then when the second or third generation come, they basically assimilate and they consider themselves to be part of the community.
So if you look at people from the north, they act, I'm talking about Muslims as an example, or even minorities, they act exactly the same as white people.
So a white chav acts exactly as these like Muslim hooligans.
And so when you saw the fighting happen like last year, what you saw was the Muslim people fighting it with basic Tommy Robinson's crew, but they were all acting in the same way because they all have been brought up together and they all kind of act in the same way.
Whereas 50 years ago, they would have been like, okay, we're not going to get involved.
So I think there is actually, if anything, a lot of this kind of psychology or presentation has happened as a result of assimilation rather than you think there's a lot of effective liberalism seeping at the Muslim communities from the progressivism of the white culture like or not the other way around.
Well, there is to an extent, but some of it was used to demonize Muslims, right?
So for example, someone like Tommy Robinson would be like, and if you ask any of these guys, Laura Luma, all of them, they all say the same thing.
They say Islam is not compatible with the West.
And they always give two main reasons.
One is feminism, women's rights, and the second is LGBTQ.
But actually, if you look at the United States of America and the UK, 50, 60 years ago, they believed in the exact same thing.
And I actually believe that these guys, which was a kind of a Zionist agenda, was to demonize these things, which is to cause feminism and to cause LGBTQ.
They did that on purpose to destroy Western society.
And they did use the Muslims as a demonization method in order to destroy Western society.
And that's why you've got a huge, basically population collapse in these countries.
I'm like, hey, man, like, I don't, I do believe there is a racial component to Islam, in my opinion.
I know not all Muslims are Arabic or are not Arab, but I do think that a lot of it, in my opinion, is blood libel with the Jews.
And it's like whether or not the promise is through Hagar.
Like my opinion is that it's actually a different, it's a kind of a justification or faith in God from people who probably are frustrated at the Jews having the blood or the supposed blessing.
It's a disagreement.
And I don't think it has any place in Caucasian or white culture.
I think that's why the only, to me, Muslims that have that have accepted Islam on a large scale are Eastern Europeans.
Some might even say Christianity led to beautiful structures, but actually led to the destruction of the idea of turning the other cheek and might have led us to weakness.
This is actually a real criticism that I've heard.
And I'm just saying that maybe that's true.
But I know that Christian values, work ethic, whether I like it or not, is what built America.
Like it definitely was, this country was built largely, if this story is even true, you know, about splits between the Anglicans, the crown, and the authority of the Protestants.
So at least this country, right, in its few hundred years alive, was built on Christianity.
We're based on the separation of church and state.
But just on the two points that you said, right?
So the first thing is in terms of evangelicalizing, which is what was happening to you, Muslims and Christians believe in that, right?
Which is very different to Jews because Jews actually believe that you have to be Jewish and you can't get into that group.
And they have this kind of supremacy.
Whereas Christianity and Islam are worldwide religions and hence why both of them do try and convert people irrespective of who it is and irrespective of the race because it's not racial in terms of those two religions.
But in terms of the second point you said, in terms of Muslims being a racial religion, I mean, I disagree.
If you look at Muslims, generally speaking, there is a lot of Arabs.
And by the way, there is certain components within certain Arabs who have this kind of superiority ideology, generally speaking.
But some, but not all.
But in terms of having beef with Jews, that's actually not the case.
In reality, if you look at all of history, the real beef was always between Jews and Christians.
It was actually the Muslims who protected the Jews for a very long time.
They never had any issues.
Mamanidas, for example, was extremely anti-probably foremost scholar, right?
He was extremely anti-Christian, but very liked Islam quite a bit.
Now, coming back to the thing, the issue with the Muslims and the Jews actually only happened after the World War, which was obviously, you know, with the situation with Palestine.
That's when things escalated and the situation with the Middle East and the expansionism.
Or before that, in history, it was not the case.
It was actually like they actually had very good relations.
That's why someone like Rabbish Mouli is like, actually, Muslims were pretty cool to us.
It was actually the Christians who we had a problem with.
They say not to work with family, but you know, husbands get along now.
But, uh, jokes aside, um, we aren't married, uh, but uh, but in the gay argument, right, there's famously that meme that has that pie chart that someone made in 2011 before the Supreme Court went against the will of the people and instituted national gay marriage, which was like things that will happen when gay marriage is legalized.
And it had the legend on the side, and it's like, you know, kids are going to be pushed into being gay, like all these different colors associated with these crazy things.
And then it had like literally nothing happens, and the whole, you know, the whole pie was the color of nothing happens.
But all in the legend, it was all these things like they're going to start teaching gay stuff in schools and all these things that they were like, you know, saying, yeah, as if all that's going to happen.
Well, we're 13 years later, and I would say around 2016, 2017, we really started becoming awake around.
That's what happened with Trump within about four years, right, of when this came, we started pushing gay stuff on children, pushing it aggressively.
And now at the beginning of the show, we showed this stuff.
Things snowball very quickly.
And I think that we're past the point of gaslighting to where that's why people are becoming militant on, especially white Christians are becoming sort of like in a feel that we have to become militant over these issues.
Because I want to ask you this question.
On one hand, a lot of people like America voted against America, even California voted against gay marriage.
Okay.
Everybody did.
I think only a couple states voted yes on it, but it was universal.
California voted against Prop 8, or I think it was yes on Prop 8.
Maybe it was even the way they worded it.
They even tried to remember make the proposition that it was confusing.
One of those ones where like voting yes means you're against gay marriage, you know, like where it's like, what the hell?
Why?
Like, so yes, I don't want gay marriage.
Like, that's confusing.
They even make it so that you have to vote against your conscience.
And it still failed in the liberal state.
And I say this because everybody knew, look, I don't mind gay.
Like, listen, like, I'm kind of liberal like that.
Like, I grew up like that.
It's like, look, if you want to be gay and you want to do that stuff, like, okay, but like, I'm on the persuasion, like, let's not legalize, like, let's not make it anything more than it is, which is a sexual fetish.
Like, let's not make it a marriage.
Let's not legitimize it.
Let's not recognize it by the state.
It's a debaucherous, degenerate act, just like we don't legalize cocaine just because people do it.
You know, but if I have a friend that does cocaine, I'm not like, dude, I'm freaked out right now.
I'm just like, I don't think we should legalize it because I don't think it's something good to be like selling at stores.
Now, with immigration, you know, although it's not drugs, it's not sex, but it's like, okay, where do you draw the line in white countries, particularly on religion and races, which I think right now, more than Islamic immigration in the United States, is Hindu immigration.
I think it's probably one of the biggest threats to our entire culture and safety is actually Hinduism.
And it's not a cop-out.
Start paying for campaigns to speak out against Hinduism.
But, and I mean, I mean, Indians, I mean, I mean, those are lobby groups pushing up.
But I, but I go, okay, I understand your parents going to the United Kingdom because, like, let's just, I'm going to make up the story, but what it sounds like, it's like, hey, a bunch of white people died.
They're having trouble getting skilled workers, laborers, and they don't have the resources anymore.
They're bankrupt, right?
They need people to come and help build.
Your parents know that they're foreigners.
They're just coming in a small number, let's say, into a certain village.
Let's say that village lost 200 men in the war and it was a village of only 300 men.
Well, they literally can, the steel factory is going to shut down.
The women need to have families.
They need to remarry.
So, okay, you let in 200 men from Pakistan or something.
It's some British colony to come help that are of high stature.
You know, you do, these are good people.
They've been loyal to the crown.
They speak English or whatever.
It's like we're letting in quality people who a steel job is worth their value.
And we know they're not going to be whatever.
And maybe totally we lost 10,000 men in this hilarious.
We're like in 10,000 people.
Boom.
Now let's rebuild the country.
Now, I get it because that's how most immigration has happened forever in terms of like with real citizenship, even in the United States, even Australia.
They always had a small Japanese population because of Japanese who helped them in World War II.
So they let them have citizenship out of protection from the Japanese regime.
Like that just makes sense.
You have a couple thousand Japanese working.
And there was always 1% Japanese population in a otherwise white nation.
And it's like they weren't Japanese people were not immigrating to the country.
But then now, whether you take your, you know, the United Kingdom, like in England, now you just have these like non-white people who don't share our faith coming over in dinghies by the hordes.
How is somebody supposed to like Hugh?
How are we supposed to differentiate between the two or create laws that differentiate between the two?
How is like a lot of people feel like the only option is remigration?
It's like, I guess if you weren't here for three generations, I think that's what the standard is actually, three generations.
I think if you're not a third generation or have been here long enough, like you said, a year, if you didn't come in the 60s and/or a third generation, you have to automatically go back.
Like your visas are revoked.
Why is that not a good solution?
If it is, like to fix the problem, because I don't think we want even 20% of our cities, we don't want 6% of our countries to be non-white.
We don't want, like, that's just how we feel.
It's our country.
We don't want that.
And that's not how we feel.
And our governments like gay marriage aren't listening to us.
White people don't want non-white immigration.
Very few do.
It's majority always don't want it in every country of every polling.
But our governments don't listen to us just like they didn't listen to us with gay marriage.
And I think we're getting mad, which, by the way, I want to say this.
This is going to sound like a cuck statement to the white people that are just like mad at the immigrants.
Be a little more mad at your government because if they're the ones letting the people come, why are you mad that a third world person wants better life?
If you're told the third world were, I would go too, man.
Tell me there's free food, free boats, free whatever.
And the reason they pushed it, I'll explain to you the reason why they pushed it.
But when they pushed it, the result was 50.1% to 49.9%.
So it was very close.
So I'm not sure how much people are against it, but I think now it'll be a lot more because the migration that's happened now is just unbelievable.
And the reason they did it is because once you stopped European immigration, where did all the immigration come from?
They came from like even cheaper places like India and various others.
So it worked out financially.
Well, the boats come from the Middle East.
So this, when it comes to illegal migration, it's not the same as the US.
So in the US, you have what, like 11 million illegal migrants who came over the last four years.
In the UK, it's only 40,000.
And that's massively different because our population is 70 million.
Your population is about 350 million.
But 40,000 is completely different to 11 million, right?
So most of our migration isn't illegal.
It's actually legal migration.
The illegal migration is happening from the Middle East.
Obviously, people come going from these war-torn countries and coming into the UK.
Now, I agree with you in terms of there is a major issue that when you let people in from world war-torn countries as well, there's going to be some kind of psychological effect from that.
Just imagine you see like your whole family members be murdered.
And it's British, you're going to Britain and it's British bombs fucking bombing.
I shouldn't be cursing the show.
I got to be better on that.
But British bombs, like, yeah, you go to the US to Dearborn, Michigan, and the U.S. literally bombed your village in Syria, or you know, they provided the missiles or the rockets to Israel to bomb your village.
But also on top of that as well, and I think some of them are aware that this is Anz control, but some of them won't be aware of that.
I believe in Dearborn, Michigan, though, if I'm right and do check on this, I read this in one place, but I didn't fact check it.
That the migration, the people in Dearborn, Michigan are Middle Eastern, but 35% of them are Christian.
I don't know if that's right, if you want to double check that.
But that's what I read somewhere, that actually 35% of the Middle Easterners in Dearborn, Michigan are actually Christian.
Now, in terms of remigration, because I don't want to not mention your go to your point.
So in terms of remigration, there's a few points.
So obviously, I don't agree with the remigration.
People have like moved to the country.
People have helped support the country.
They've established the country, wherever it is.
What should happen is, because in the UK, it is still what 75% white, 25% non-white.
What you do is just change the migration issues.
In terms of a remigration itself as well, like what does that mean?
So, let's just take someone as like me as an example.
So, if you were to remigrate someone like me, what you'd go back to Pakistan, but like we feel alien when we go to Pakistan.
We don't have the same values, we don't have the same psychology, we don't have the same sociology, our upbringing is different, our education is different, like just completely different.
And I guess a lot of people do feel like that that you're alien to that nation and you're kind of a bit alien to this nation as well.
So, there is this kind of thing that happens with people who are immigrants.
So, yeah, I don't agree with remigration at all because it's kind of like you know, just think about it from a perspective of like you've got the UK who's essentially pillaged a lot of India, then a lot of people migrate, they help rebuild the country, they've been part of the entire fabric of the country, and then basically there's this claims of a remigration.
But what's really interesting is in that video you played, they said something about Muslim mayor, right?
So, it's interesting.
One thing that you noticed is like there's a Muslim mayor, and you might have seen it on the headlines recently.
There was Shobana Mahmood, she basically got the position of home secretary, she's a Muslim, right?
Now, people are like, oh, guess what?
A Muslim person has got the position of home secretary.
But the problem you have is another problem, but what you have is when a lot of these Muslim people, whether it's Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London, whether it's Shabana Mahmood, when they get into these positions of power, they don't put Muslims first, they don't put the community first, they sell out.
So, Shabana Mahmood, as an example, used to go to pro-Palestinian protests, and now she just banned them.
She literally said, If you do it more than once, you'll get banned if you do pro-Palestinian protests.
So, these people, when they get in positions of power, they actually sell out to the Zionists.
The difference is when a Jewish person or a Jewish Zionist gets into a position of power, they always put their people first.
So, someone like Kirstama, which no one mentions that he's Jewish and he's the UK prime.
And so, like, he actually puts Israel first, and that's where the difference is when Jewish people or Jewish Zionists get into positions of power or have positions of wealth.
They always put in the foreign nation, they put in the foreign nation of Israel first before their own country.
We're going to speak about October the 7th, I assume, in a bit.
Raj was appointed, and you know, he looks like me if I was pooping on the streets.
But he went ahead and he appointed an entire executive board of all Indians.
And we know that the Indians do this.
He fires everyone and points a board of all Indians.
And then someone said in the comments, it's really funny.
Where is it?
He said, so it was okay for Fred, the previous CEO, to hire an executive team of his co-ethnics, of like all white people.
And he just goes, yes.
It's like, yes, it's okay to hire the people of your own country to help your own people.
He says it's our country's company.
But what's happened now is that the companies have betrayed our people.
They're now international globalist companies.
They don't even care about the countries where they're started.
All they care about is free and cheap resources, cheap labor.
And that's what I was going to say: there's been so many restrictions to try to, you know, curtail NAFTA and whatnot that they're like, okay, well, we'll just bring the people here, you know?
And that's going to actually, we're going to fix the problem.
We're going to ship a bunch of jobs overseas while shipping the people here, and the jobs will become cheap everywhere.
So then now, like, have you seen how hard it is to get a job right now?
And I also did not say that all Zionists are Jews.
I said, the Zionists to me are people that play into the financial system to destroy.
They're about creating this ethnic, religion, religio, ethnocentric cabal that kind of hoards power, wealth, and they're willing, they're the Shabbos Goy.
They're just a Shabbat boy, I know people use that kind of terminology, right?
And by the way, I agree with you.
My view is that there's Zionism, but you have to think, and I think when you use the terminology Shabbos Goy, I think it deflects responsibility.
We have Zionists who are Christian.
We have Zionists who are Muslim and they do things that support Jewish supremacy.
And so, like, for example, when the Prince of Saudi Arabia supports Zionism, he's not a Shabbos guy.
He's doing it and he's supporting Jewish supremacy.
When Mike Johnson or Huckabee are supporting Jewish supremacy based on their own religious ideology, which is evangelical Christianity, they're doing it because of their own belief system.
But their own belief system has within it Jewish supremacy.
So there definitely is Zionism and there definitely is non-Jewish Zionism.
And I do think they have a huge impact.
And I think this kind of idea of deflecting responsibility from them is just not acceptable.
And I think it's done intentionally.
And the problem with society now is everything's about deflection.
No one takes responsibility for anything they do.
But I had a question for you.
Like, because I know you do speak a lot about Islam.
Like, what are your major issues that you have or concerns that you have about Islam or Muslims or anything in that regard?
I feel like I'm the only person that people get shocked when I talk about that I get paid to lobby or like push ideas.
Like people like minds are blown.
It's like, bro, everybody is pretty much like even spaces.
People are getting paid to go on the spaces and spaces have sponsorships.
Like you.
It's not like.
It's not like someone's handing you like five dollars and they're saying like hey, do this.
But like if you work for an organization that's Pro-Zionist and you know that you need to gas up the Zionist regime to keep a job, you are getting paid to push Zionism, like that that's.
It's not like someone's handing me five dollars and they're like dude, talk shit about about Muslims.
But they're like hey, here's a thousand dollars.
There's a rising threat of extremism.
It would be really interesting if to stay, you know, here's your thousand dollars per month in our organization.
We really want you to raise awareness.
It's called think tanks.
Everybody works for them.
They're co-laureates, they like I mean people that I, my friends, work for.
You know the CATO Institute or the Claremont Institute or Heritage Foundation.
This is what everybody does.
And when I say i'm from the mainstream, I mean i'm from the ecosystem financially, where people offer you money.
But i've never said anything about Muslims that I don't believe and I haven't taken any money about Muslims to sort of say anything about Islam that I didn't already believe.
So like i've denied a lot of money about about Islam because I think that what they're saying is propaganda or false.
So, like I, I have been a part of campaigns that are trying to raise awareness about Islamic extremist cells in the Midwest and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
It's like, yeah okay yeah, if you want to, if you want me to take some time to like make a video and write, write up some idea to like talk about this.
They don't give me the talking points.
They're like, here's what you got to say.
It's just like, hey, we're really trying to like.
Basically, we know you have your time is limited, but what I did notice that's why i've like started to turn down a lot of the offers is it's like okay like like uh yeah, like recently, like in the last week, you know, individuals were were paid to spread a lie about, about Qatar, and i'm gonna accuse me of being paid by Qatar to like defend them.
But like, but like uh Qatar, please.
I've been defending you a lot.
I haven't got a dollar.
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Yeah, i've been defending a lot and i'm like brass please, I need that.
Because I think that we are incapable of dealing with Islamic extremism, because we don't want to be seen as Islamophobic.
And where Islamic nations that are, that are sophisticated, that are working with the Western regimes know how to deal with the extremism, they kick them out, they ban them.
We're like afraid, just like Bouquet Late El Salvador, like he banned the Edgar haircut, because he knows that when guys start trying to look the same, it creates this clickiness and clicks into gangs.
But just, he's dealing with it at a level.
We're not willing to deal with it in like, at a, at a low level, because we don't want to be seen as Anti-Islamic, because we're about diversity and multiculturalism.
And so we're just like, well, we got it.
We're just going to wait till they get too extreme and then we'll use them to commit a terror attack so we can justify sending more money to somebody.
Yeah, that's because, again, there's this kind of politics within the two different factions of Zionists.
But anyway, coming back to the other issue that we mentioned in terms of Islamic extremism, so I guess my question to you is: first of all, which countries are kicking those people out that are in the Midwest?
And who are these people in the Midwest who are what type of extremism are they pushing?
This is what I'm trying to get to the like actual specifics rather than these kind of yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, so I mean, I don't remember the exact because this is like a year or two ago, so I don't remember the exact specifics of what it was, but I remember it was a video.
There was a an individual from the UAE, there was an individual from Qatar.
These are two different campaigns.
They're talking about how they deal.
There were three different groups.
One was like Muslim, one was like Muslim Brotherhood.
Another one, I think it was one of them was just like ISIL.
It was like a US-created terrorism.
And it was fundamentalist Islamism of seeing the West as sort of like troops on the ground in Saudi Arabia and near Mecca as like a desecration of the sacredness of Islam.
And then like the idea of like bringing like unscarved like female troops and standing in, you know, helping Israel basically occupy Jerusalem and other holy sites and having Christians in those areas as well.
It's sort of like this idea that there has to be blood spilled.
And so they're radicalizing young men to sort of leave and go fight in these factions in the Middle East and or to train and raise money inside of those cities to get people to donate towards NGOs, start NGOs that running as fronts to send money back to extremist groups in the Middle East.
That's what they were talking about, just raising awareness of.
So it was more just like raising money through NGOs.
Like the guy from Dubai who's speaking about this, or the guy from UAU speaking about this, or the guy from Saudi Arabia speaking about this, is extremely hypocritical because what is it that they're spreading?
They're spreading this very version of Islam that they're complaining about.
They have since the 1970s.
If you look at Saudi and these countries, they've funded Salafist Wahhabist Islam in Europe, in the UK, and in the United States of America for the last 40, 50 years.
So these are the people who spread that Islam and then they're complaining about it.
And if you look at these, for example, some of these charities who do do what you're saying, what they do is there'll be some of these charities, they'll fund it, and then they'll fund these different places in the Middle East who are fighting.
Again, that was literally how 9-11 was done.
So 9-11 was done where there were Israeli Mossad agents with Saudi working together, putting funding through these mosques from the United States of America to these bombers who were handled by Israeli Mossad agents.
And that's how they carried out 9-11.
So 9-11 was Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the U.S. working together to allow that to happen.
And me and the I was like, did you end up doing that?
And he's like, no.
And I was like, I didn't do it either.
And I was like, there's a lot of money, especially like my car just gotten stolen or whatever.
A few things have happened recently.
I've been offered a lot of money this last week, particularly.
And I'm like, my car just got stolen.
I lost all my money.
And I'm like, that's like two grand for like no work.
It's just like two, two tweets.
And it's like, I can't do it though, because it's like, that's like some fucking bullshit.
Like, I'm like, I'm looking at it.
I'm like, and it's like, it's not like it doesn't say Israel's telling you to do this, but you're like, no, but they're trying to direct you that way.
Would be wanting me to like, and then I get on, it's like Eel Yacoby is like online being like, or some guy named Elov Bernstein is like, Oh my gosh, this country is donating this money.
You're like, Okay, I can see what I can.
I was gonna say, I had a good advice for the little hat people.
You know, in Hollywood, how they changed all their names to blend more on X, you guys should change your names because when I see something like, Look, look at there's margarita machines on the on the flotilla, and your name's Eel Yacoby, it doesn't hit the propaganda doesn't hit as hard.
Name your name like Stephen Adams, you know, and then maybe it's like, whoa, Stephen Adams is saying there's a margarita machine.
I might read it, but I see El Yacobi, and like, maybe take the flag out of your bio and maybe like the Hebrew out of like your name, and maybe you might like pull, but I think they're just blatant now, they don't care anymore, they're just just like F you.
I think they, I think the reason is that everyone's aware that these guys control things, and so therefore they're just using what they've got, the power they've got, in order to basically propagandize people.
But the bigger issue you've got with all of this is like everyone's aware that they basically perpetuate this propaganda and they've done it for a very long time.
And I think, like, when you mention about these people who are in politics, they see it as a business, but it comes to a point where you need to like have some kind of like personal responsibility because what you've been doing for the last 20 years has harmed the United States of America and the UK in a significant manner.
These countries are much worse off due to the fact that you've perpetuated and promoted this Zionist Israeli propaganda.
And so, therefore, I do think that like people do have responsibility, and these people should be called out because, in reality, they're harming society.
Like, you talk about all the harms that have happened to Western society and these Muslim nations, all of them, they've all happened because of these people, because of the propaganda that they're perpetuated.
And I'm a big believer that this was done intentionally.
Because if you look at Western society that it's been destroyed, and if you look at Muslim nations that have been physically destroyed, I think that was intentional because what happened was Jewish people after 1945, after the Holocaust, thought, look, we've been oppressed.
We didn't have that much support.
They did have support, but we couldn't stop it.
We had to rely on others.
We can't put ourselves in the same situation again where we're going to rely on others.
So, therefore, we need to put ourselves in a situation where this never happens again.
And they thought, wait a sec, who are the two people or the three people this could possibly happen from again?
Obviously, white people because they've oppressed us for 2,000 years, is their view.
And Muslims, because they're, you know, they could disagree with us as well because they're, you know, they're ideologically driven and what the ideology could cause it.
So they saw these two people as threats and they thought, how can we destroy them?
So they thought, look, white people, they're physically strong, right?
We can't fight them.
They're going to smash us.
But when it comes to mentally and it comes to ideological belief, they don't have it as much.
They're not as strong with it.
And so therefore, they thought, let's destroy their ideology.
Whereas with Muslims, they thought these guys are like physically not that strong, but they're very devout with their religion.
It's hard to remove them from the religion.
And they thought, let's physically destroy them.
And so what you saw was this effort to do that.
So with the white people, it was put like liberalism, LGBTQ ideas, feminism, all these things, which caused population collapse, caused all of these things in Western society, caused basically the white man to become a lot more feminized, the white woman to not want to be with a white man.
Then they looked at Muslims and they thought, how can we do that?
And they destroyed and they bombed the Middle East.
And I think that's what they've done and they're taking control in that way.
No, but like, I think these conversations are a little bit beyond what the American right is ready for because, dude, we have to be honest, though, that the Muslims in like London, it's not good for London.
Like, that's a breed of Muslim.
And I admit there are different breeds of Muslim.
Like, there are breeds of Christians.
Like, there are, like, we talk about it.
Like, there's nothing to me more annoying.
Like, I spoke for last night for an hour and a half. with Elijah Yassi, a well-respected theologian who's a little bit less known, but he studied under one of the greatest theologians, which I guess I'm not supposed to say, but it's his mentor.
And it's open about it.
I'm going to talk to him, like a monk.
And him, like, he was agreeing with me with my criticisms of Catholicism, young Catholics.
And like, when someone's like mature like that, and they're like, you would get along with him too.
He's like, yes.
And oh, yes, Catholic women are like that.
Like, yeah, and he's like, because he's a mature man.
Well, he's a mature man and he's willing to admit the faults of his own faith and the faults of the converts and understands like where the problems lie.
And it's like, I totally get along with that guy.
But I could also see why the American Protestants were originally not into the Catholics coming into the United States because they are like militant as well.
The Catholics are militant.
They're like very militant about their faith, right?
Where Protestants are more pacifist.
And that's kind of like one of our issues with the boomer like, you know, mindset.
We're a little more pacifist and we're isolationists.
So we've never really had a lot of war besides our own civil wars here.
So, you know, especially in the West, right?
It's always been, you know, we had the war of 1812 or whatever when Canada invaded us.
But at the same time, which by the way, I'll never forget that, that they taught us in school to make us not hate Canada, that it was the British that invaded us.
They just forgot to tell us that it was actually Canada.
It was just the British in Canada.
But Canada was a British colony and they invaded us.
So remember, Canada is not peaceful.
They burned our White House down.
So I'm just saying they weren't always laying down in gay positions on singing piano songs, Justin Trudeau, son of a communist dictator.
But no, but I was going to say, I think all history is a lie.
And I just saying with our history that, you know, with Muslims, I think I've met really mature Muslims who I do appreciate.
But just like other streamers who have recently converted to Islam and you're like, are you, you know, really?
You're a Muslim, huh?
I see that with a lot of Catholics, that it actually caused me to stop going to mass for like a month because I was just so annoyed by them.
It's like, become Catholic and like Catholic dogma.
And it's like, you don't know anything.
Like, you're like, you're going to, you like, I started balding before you became a Catholic.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, this is like, they're like, this is like, you don't know what you're talking about.
But then I realized, yeah, like, and then I start talking to mature Catholics.
I'm like, oh, there is a difference between like people who misrepresent it, who claim to be representing it, but they actually don't know.
They don't understand.
Same thing here.
Like, and then you hear like a Catholic and we had a Catholic Orthodox debate.
You're like, it's actually so complex.
I don't even speak this language, right?
You're like, the religion's actually, actually, I don't know anything about Orthodox.
I don't know anything about Catholicism.
I don't even know if I'm Christian.
It actually made me wonder if I'm even Christian.
And I realized I'm not really acting like a Christian.
And maybe I'm not really Christian.
Now I'm like actually trying to become one.
Hopefully I can't.
Hopefully I can and don't fail.
And by the way, I want to clarify to people, I'm not going to become annoying about it.
It's like, I'm a sinner.
And it's not like I'm going to be like, all of a sudden, you're going to find, you know, if you find out I sinned, I'm going to keep letting you know it's going to happen.
And I'm here.
And I'm just like, my actions aren't changing tonight, you know?
So it's like, I'm not, it's not like I'm like, oh, I'm suddenly different.
A past is gone.
It's like, I'm not a born-again virgin, okay?
I have fucked in my life, and it's not, that's not going to be undone by a prayer.
But the guilt and shame associated with it can and will be forgiven.
It is forgiven by God.
So with the Muslims, my asking my kind of question to wrap this up, because we are going to do a full hour tomorrow.
So I'll just give you like a, so I don't think that Islam's an issue.
And let me just like give you a background.
So let me give you a background.
So before I became big on X, right?
And I used to write a lot of articles within Islamic religion and Islamic philosophy.
And actually, almost all my articles were calling out extremism within Islam.
Actually, all of them were.
Every single one.
One of my famous one was when I spoke about this Christian woman who's been oppressed in Pakistan.
And my articles and like the work I did basically helped her get released because I was doing loads of drama about like how she was being oppressed.
And I talked about extremism within Islam significantly.
But then I got into politics and I became quite, you know, I got into X.
And then I realized that, whoa, like there is this situation where Muslims are attacked a lot.
And so therefore I thought, look, they need someone to literally defend them because this is crazy.
Like there's no one equipped who has the political acumen as well as the religious background, which I have because I did go to religious school as well.
And so I like I've studied Islamic theology and philosophy and law.
So I thought there's nobody there who's doing it in a manner who has that knowledge, has the political knowledge and is able to like actually get into the specifics.
And so that's why I end up like defending a lot of points and a lot of things within Islam.
Is there extremism within Islam?
Of course there is.
Like for example, my position within Islam is very different to the extreme position.
You asked me about Texas, right?
I said, what is it you were speaking about?
If you said, oh, they have these certain views, I would have been like, but we've got those views in other religions.
But when you said, actually, it's funding, I was like, yeah, I'm right.
You're right, right?
I agreed with it because that actually happens.
And I explained actually the depth of it and the breadth and the circumstances of it.
But when people say Islam is a problem, then the question becomes, what do you specifically mean though?
So like in London, you gave London as an example.
So for example, there are people who are Muslim dawah guys, basically Muslim preachers, who do act in a way that I don't like.
So they'll be like, someone will say, like, someone like you might say to them, oh, guess what?
When in reality, you know, there's not many Muslims aren't increasing in number.
You know, the same arguments I can give against you, against you, is that the most immigration is not Muslim.
All of these things are happening.
There isn't huge conversions of Muslims.
So when you're making these arguments, first of all, they're not based on reality.
And all it does is demonize Muslims.
So why are you doing this?
So that's the first, the other problem.
The other thing is when it comes to Muslims within the UK, my real question about this is like when someone says like Muslims are a problem, like my question is like, what do you specifically mean?
If you mean that basically there are Muslims, mainly in the north though, probably less so in London, who are less educated, yes, because they're in working class areas.
So working class people, whether they're Muslim or not, are generally not as educated.
For example, me.
So I came from Middlesbrough, as I mentioned to you, right?
Which is a northern area.
My friends in primary school were white.
And the reason they were white was because I was good at, you know, soccer, what you guys call soccer football.
So we just played football all the time.
And because I was one of the best, we literally, you know, used to hang around with white boys, right?
Now, if you look at my friend group, largely speaking, they didn't go into education.
They went into drugs and they went to other things.
Now, is it that white people are like that?
No, it's not.
It's just that we came from a northern working class area.
It was very poor.
And so only a very few people made out.
I was one of the few who basically got educated, did well, and went down that road.
And so is there a problem for specifically Muslims who act in this way?
They're coming because like, like, dude, we've been, Muslims have been fighting with Christians since like maybe like, well, technically 600 AD, but like 7,800 AD.
Yeah, I think when you talk about the fall of like, of like when you start the fall, I forget the last battle when the Polish came to save.
Oh man, my history is going down.
It's like we have had Ottoman and Christendom fighting for a long time.
And so they obviously collapsed and just they obviously collapsed in World War II.
So, which is why the Arab, a lot of like Arab countries are barely rebuilding, right?
In like the 90s and 2000s, if you look at what Dubai looked like, the city, you know, just 20 years ago, it was like nothing, you know?
And you look at it now, and it's also my opinion, nothing, but it's beautiful.
Well, there's a huge problem with these countries.
It's not just that.
Like when you look at Western ethics, these people don't have those ethics.
Like I'm not being mean, but like if you look at their treatment of others, the way they act, it's basically modern day slavery, all of those things.
Like this hype isn't the reality of what the place is.
So when I look at like Western society, you know why I love Western society, and I do think it's the best society.
Like I love living in the West for that reason, is because of the, which I think are Islamic principles, but obviously not everybody like holds those principles, is this idea that irrespective of whom you are, irrespective of your race, religion, or creed, all man is equal.
And this is actually an intrinsic American value, intrinsic British value.
And it's meant to be an Islamic value, but unfortunately, no Muslim countries have that.
Because if you look at it, when you look at the protesters protesting for Palestine, it happens in America.
It happens in the UK.
The biggest protests are in European and UK countries.
None in Muslim countries.
None.
I'll go to like a Western country and I'll be there randomly and they'll literally be doing protests.
And it's not even Muslims.
It's white people because they have certain ethics that I believe that other people actually don't have.
Our demeanor, our civility, what our genome expresses phenotypically, like our epigenetics of thousands of years.
No, I mean, in terms of actions, so like for example, yeah, yes, I'm saying, I'm saying like our demeanors, so like we are going to have more of a polite, organized society, regardless of if we're polytheos or we're, you know, where we believe in you know, one God or whatever, we're still believing in a god and a powerhead, we're still believing in respecting the elements that the creation matters.
But did the pagans have that past all, not I mean, they were like doing all these mad rituals, not all pagans, so there's there's yeah, like not in essence, like look how the Vikings were acting, correct, not all pagans, but also at that time, most people were acting like that, including Christian nations, were pretty, pretty war-hungry to this day.
What are Christian nations bombing the shit out of everyone?
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So, my point is that that's because the Jews are in society.
I would probably rather live, I'd probably honestly rather live in a village of pagans to this day in the Dutch land or something like Deutschland than I would rather live in that's in my modern time.
I'm not talking about living in pagans 1200 years ago, but I'd rather live with white pagans today or white atheists today in a village than with black Christians.
I'm just being honest, but like for me, it's this, right?
And this is the problem you have, right?
So, for example, would I want to live with Muslims, less like you know, extreme Muslims or people who have these kind of like Salafist Muslims?
Probably not, right?
But is religion the most important thing to me?
Yes, it is, because when I look at Islam, I look at all the components in it, you've got the theological aspect of it, which I think makes Islam a very masculine religion because it's a very logical, rational religion, it's a monotheistic relationship.
But I mean, from the logical, rational perspective, not in terms of because uh, Christianity is more so like uh, it's about like love, it's all about more about emotion, right?
Whereas it has the logical aspect, then it has certain aspects of the legal, legalistic aspect.
And I do believe humans need rules and regulations to follow because if you leave them to their whims, they act mental.
I think modern evangelical Western Christianity is about emotions and love, where love is interpreted in the Orthodox and Catholic tradition as judgment, as like the idea of because you love people, sometimes you must punish and you must bring justice.
But the more modern, the more modern interpretations, that's why I think I'm very attracted to the Orthodox Catholic traditions.
I think that's why Christian nations have traditionally been nations of war, of conquest, of the building of beauty, of progress, not like today's progress of being gay, but like of like infrastructure and science and technology.
I do think that we are a masculine religion.
I just think that there has been a perversion of it today that has, when we lost World War II, became prevalent.
And I think it was, you know, 70, 80 years, maybe a little more of the Schofield Bible, the changes of theology, little changes.
But that's why I think young men like myself are attracted, not to the young Catholics who are converting, but to what it was, not to where the papacy is today, post-Vatican II from the 1950s or whatever, but where Catholicism started and what it was at.
No, no, but the difference is if you ask, if you said to Charlie Kirk, you can, you know, you're not allowed to be Christian anymore if you stay in America and this is it, or you have to leave America.
According to what he said, unless he was lying, he would leave America as well.
Yes, but I don't, but what I'm saying is I don't think that, I don't think there's a comparison in terms of like, yeah, you said like, but if you would identify something, I'd identify more as being white, as being German and English, and saying, I'm a German and Englishman, yes, but I also, the Christianity is foreign to my people.
It is not by our nature.
It was given to us by God, and it is great.
And that doesn't change who we are at our genetics.
It doesn't change our identity, but it changes how we are value set.
Because obviously, you know, you know, you talk about the Romans being raided.
It was by our peoples.
It was by the Germanic and the Caucasus people.
Like, we were the wild brutes that were attacking them.
They couldn't keep us out.
They couldn't conquer England.
So, you know, that because we were crazy, bog people, you know, the Scottish are crazy.
I'm not Scottish, and I'm not, I don't think I'm Irish.
Felmio wasn't too happy about me marrying into an Irish family, but I, as an English-German man, you know, we have, we do have, we're born with superiority complex, like even amongst whites.
Like, it's just true.
But I'm saying, like, I would never, I would never.
Like you, like, we had a very good conversation, but I thought, like, with Dennis DeSouza, you were like rough.
Like, because what happened was I prepped for this show in the sense that I listened to a couple of his interviews and I kind of got that he just makes the same talking points.
And so I was expecting him to say the same things to you and then for me to come and debunk them.
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And then you were just like, smash, And he didn't get a chance.
He's the first brown person that was my background in a week or two.
Legitimately.
I've had a few, actually.
That being said, thank you guys for watching.
Really appreciate the whole crew.
Put the show together.
It's been a big day.
A shout out to our special.
Hopefully that will happen tomorrow night.
If it doesn't, if he's too busy or whatever, that's fine too.
But I will be on Alex Jones tomorrow at 2:30 p.m. Eastern Time to continue to debate whether I love how he just agreed with me today on everything, said that, like, yeah, Netanyahu's the devil and whatever, and then agreed with me on whatever.
I appreciate you guys reading.
Shout out to the chats.
Let me read a couple of the super chats here before we go.
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