Aug. 1, 2025 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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RETURN To The Land: The TRUTH About the WHITE-ONLY Settlement | Almost Serious | Guest: Eric Orwoll
In this eye-opening episode of the Almost Serious Podcast, Elijah Schaffer sits down with Eric Orwoll, the visionary leader and co-founder of "Return to the Land" – a groundbreaking whites-only settlement in the remote Ozarks of Arkansas. Eric breaks down why multiculturalism has utterly failed in modern society, leading to cultural erosion, social division, and the dilution of traditional European heritage.
Discover the inspiring story behind why Eric started "Return to the Land": a self-sustaining community designed exclusively for people of European descent who share traditional values, aiming to reclaim land and build a fortress for white culture amid mass immigration and societal shifts. Eric explains how this off-grid haven fosters unity, self-reliance, and preservation without relying on government systems.
Eric and Elijah also tackle the glaring hypocrisies white people face today – how they're relentlessly demonized, labeled as racists, and denied the right to create their own exclusive spaces, while other groups like Jews and Blacks are allowed and often praised for doing the exact same thing.
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The way I see it, you know, different people have different habits.
When European civilization encountered sub-Saharan Africa, they didn't have the wheel, they didn't have writing, they didn't have two-story buildings.
It's just unfair to expect someone with such a different background to just assimilate immediately into the way that Europeans who have been civilized for millennia do things.
The fact that there are those examples shouldn't lead to us cowering and never trying to self-organize ever again and just hoping that something will change from the top down.
We have to get smarter about how we plan these things.
My name is Elijah Schaefer, and today our guest, Eric Orwell, is the co-founder of Return to the Land, known as RTTL.
It's recently been in the press described as a racist, misogynist, anti-Semitic colony of people who hate everyone else who's not like them.
But the reality is, that's not exactly true.
It's actually just a whites-only community, not really excluding anyone from having rights in this country, but deciding who they want to associate with.
Established in 2023 on 160 acres in Arkansas, a YouTuber with about 14,000 subscribers known as Arval promotes Christian Platonism and white nationalist ideologies, advocating for European heritage and opposing multiculturalism, which is in effect actually destroyed many countries, including Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and many parts of the United States.
Arwal originally was from Southern California, like myself, studied music and philosophy, and sells online courses on classical philosophy.
His project has faced legal scrutiny and condemnation from civil rights groups and the Arkansas officials for racial discrimination.
Is he some evil reincarnate of the Fuhrer who's come to take away the rights of individuals who don't look like him?
Or is there something else going on here?
Is there a movement in this country of people who say, look, you can't force us to like the people, even if they're here.
And quite frankly, we don't even have to not like the people.
Maybe we just like some other people more than others and have a way of life that we want to preserve, just like everybody else wants to preserve their way of life.
To talk more about this today, I'd like to welcome to the show for the first time, Eric Orwell, joining us live in the studio.
I want to get your background on you because you know and I know that when we talk about anything being inclusive for white people, not even white only, but you know, looking out for white people, let's talk about the state of the union right now.
This is the Sydney Sweeney ad.
I don't know if you saw that from a Jewish company, by the way.
American Eagle, founded by Jewish individuals, currently ran by Jewish individuals, has no, you know, donates to Chabad and fights for Jewish values.
It's not a white supremacist company.
They don't even use their money for white causes.
They put a white woman with blonde hair in the ad to sell their genes, and they're accused of being white supremacists, racist.
I mean, you got to be aware of the actual state of what's going on.
I kind of want to get your idea, like, what exactly is the state of our society and the way that they view white people?
Well, for a long time, obviously, white people were demonized extensively.
I remember getting it in school, seeing it on TV, in university.
It was just part of the general background.
White people would make self-deprecatory jokes very often.
It was cool to rag on whites and to praise other groups.
And that kind of intensified, I think, into 2018, 2019.
Really before that, it was during the Obama years.
You know, we let a certain acceptance of diversity cross over into an outright hostility towards, you know, the Native American people, heritage Americans such as myself, and our mass culture that it was said that we didn't have a culture whatsoever.
Of course, white American culture has been broadcast around the world and now people take it for granted.
But I grew up being told, you know, during Multiculturalism Day that all these other students could come share their culture.
I didn't have a culture that I could share.
But that kept growing.
And I think the woke ideology that ultimately kind of climaxed with the George Floyd riots, that took it one step forward to outright explicit hostility towards whites.
And people got sick of that very quickly.
And so especially, I think, in the last three or four years, there's a movement in the other direction.
Now, it's just kind of the tide going back.
I don't think it's going to stick around.
I don't think we can bank on one big pendulum swing to the right now, correcting things permanently.
We're going to have to take action.
But I think at the moment, there is a cultural window where things like return to the land actually have a shot of taking root.
So this is the time, the fertile years, I think, until Trump leaves office to build and sow seeds.
You know, when we learned about the history of colonialism, it was taught in a one-sided direction and in a way that would really play on our emotional sentiments.
You know, they talked all the time about how white colonists went out and mixed with indigenous women.
It's like, I don't think that was that common.
And they never talked about all of the benefits that we brought to these other people.
If it was the case that colonialism exploited the third world and took the resources, then you would think that the countries that had been colonized the longest would be the worse off.
But the opposite's the case.
You know, the countries that received European civilization and technology and forms of government for the longest and were the most trained in it, they're the best off today, economically, socially.
So we didn't get that full picture.
And I was aware of that as far as my positive feelings of, you know, I enjoy my own people, want to associate with my own people.
I just didn't have the opportunity to cultivate that because there weren't a lot of white people around.
You know, most of my friends were either Filipino or Korean or Vietnamese or Mexican.
You know, it wasn't until I got to college for classical music.
I studied the French horn at Eastman, that I was surrounded suddenly by all white people who were also interested in the history of our civilization.
You know, we were all there to study our traditional music.
So that was an eye-opening experience, and it sort of broadened my mind to other aspects of the European tradition.
I started getting into like traditional European philosophy and deeper into a more balanced view of our history and the accomplishments of our people.
And from there, it's just been kind of following rabbit trails and doing a lot of research online.
And over the last 10 years, I've come to, I think, an authentic love of my own people that really was deprived of, you know, me when I was a child.
Now, when I look at it, and I want my kids and other kids belonging to our people to have an environment where from the get-go, who they are is celebrated.
Okay, so that's like a kind of a positive thing, right?
And I think that's good.
I think that it's always painted, you know, the idea of being pro-white is always like somehow that you are anti-black or anti-brown.
And I think that's an incongruent way of thinking because, you know, if you were to say, you know, I really love, like I say, I love my wife, right?
I love her, I love her.
I think, I think she's better than every other woman.
It doesn't mean that I don't think people should be allowed to get married to whatever woman they want.
It doesn't mean that I think that their wife is therefore bad and they should divorce their wife because my wife is good.
And I don't think everyone should stop getting married because I prefer my wife.
It is a preference, not a nice standard for everyone.
It's a preference for my life.
And if you don't understand the hyperbole of that statement of like, yeah, I have the best wife in the world and I think she's this.
Every man, my point being, should think their wife is the best wife in the world.
Or what the hell are you doing?
That's why divorce exists in case she's not.
But jokes aside on that, you know, we've always had options, right?
There's always options of preference.
And we'll talk about that in a second.
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All right, let's dive back into it.
So we're talking about preference.
Before we talk about the negative aspect, I want to talk to you about that preference idea.
So you grew up around a very diverse area and then you grew up around, I guess you're not really growing up, but I'd say you were growing up still in college around a non-diverse situation.
I don't know of a lot of, you know, Nigerians into the French horn, you know, but you know, I'll digress.
So that being said, what did you prefer or what did you notice?
What was the biggest reality that you faced coming from one environment to the next?
Was there a sharp difference?
I mean, was there something, was it cultural?
Was it safety-wise?
What is it that you noticed?
And why did you develop your preference to live around white people only?
You know, I just hadn't been in large groups of white people my age.
So when that happened, I realized that I could communicate with them on a similar wavelength.
You know, I sort of shifted the way I would communicate with my friends from different backgrounds.
I took that for granted.
And I hadn't really spoken my own tongue, so to speak, and experienced what it was like to be around people like me.
Of course, they weren't aligned with where I now am politically, nor was I at the time.
I had one friend in particular who kind of introduced me to the European philosophical tradition.
And I had very long conversations over all four years with him.
And that really opened my mind and changed how I felt about a lot of things.
So it was a growing experience.
And I think very healthy for me.
I built my confidence up.
You know, I experienced bullying.
Gangs of Mexican kids would make fun of me for what I look like.
And so I guess accepting my tradition and where I came from and being informed about it and being around other people who celebrated it, it just made me a healthier person overall.
And then college ended and all of a sudden I couldn't find that same kind of community.
You know, you can move to a white area, but we don't really have community like we used to.
In college, it's just given.
You're in the same classes.
It's part of life.
So once I was out of college, I really wanted that again, a community of people like me who had similar interests, came from this similar kind of traditional background, cared about the same things.
So that's been my mission, essentially.
I started my YouTube channel back in 2012 or thereabouts.
And I was talking about philosophy and the kinds of things that I was thinking about at the time.
But I, even from the beginning, was talking about intentional community just because I was conscious to the fact that when people get together in the modern day, it's at a bar.
It's some kind of, you know, commercial-centered activity.
It's all like part of the system.
It's monetized.
It's you're trying to status farm or you're, you know, clout farm.
Your TPUSA event is mostly white people, but it's, but it's not, it's not a white, it's not some place where, yeah, where people are gathered other than to flex on each other or hook up or like, it's not really about like building ethnic or cultural ties.
You know, a lot of people with my mindset want to take the whole country back.
They want it to be the way it was in the 1950s.
And they saw that, you know, moving out to the woods somewhere and buying land together.
And I was, you know, promoting that back in 2013, 2014.
But they saw that as running away or retreating.
And I think a lot of it is people are addicted to modern lifestyles and they don't actually want to rough it.
And I think that's a bad perspective to have because people haven't really experienced the hardship that our ancestors experienced.
But when you do, you find that ultimately more rewarding than playing video games and having access to a plethora of restaurants to choose from and stuff that you can find in the city.
But yeah, there wasn't a lot of traction.
And then essentially, just over the last five years, really since COVID, there's been a change in people's mentality.
I think people are more conscious that they're lacking authentic, organic community.
And I noticed, you know, people started to reach out supporting the idea.
And finally, the right group of guys came together and we made it happen in 2023.
As we jump into the talking about, you know, the community, I have some concerns and they're not what the media is concerned about.
They're just concerns for seeing the history and how these things have gone.
But talking about the negativity, you know, you had the preference.
And I think why a lot of people don't like this idea is because people believe that they legally deserve access to the products of white people, but that they can borrow us from access to our own products when they want.
Trying to get a job right now as a white man in any type of high-paying field is nearly damn impossible in the United States.
I mean, you see this time and time again.
This is not just in the United States.
Most Western countries, they're always going to, you know, reference POX, you know, the people of color.
Sorry, Joey Swole.
It was people of color, not colored people.
Could have gotten that one right.
But jokes aside, all he said was colored people.
He has a very, I don't know if you know Joey Swole, very prominent white bodybuilding activist, kind of a loser, in my opinion, a little bit of a liberal, said colored in front of people instead of people of color.
And now he's deleting all social media, has to apologize to the public.
It's like, you know, I think what I'm saying is that, you know, to even integrate, we have to be very apologetic, walk on eggshells.
Everything is about catering to the non-white.
It's catering to the female and the non-white together.
And I would say the chaotic nature of both go hand in hand.
And that the perfect, you know, curtailing of the female nature is the strong masculine European nature that God has given us and the power of God himself.
So I want to talk a little about the negative aspects of what you've seen, you know, of multiculturalism and what has really made you adverse to that.
You know, I live in one of the wealthiest areas in the country in terms of there's NBA players around me and people that live around me.
Homes are $25, $30 million.
And our local market here has the deodorant locked up, has the hair dye locked up.
And it's because in Florida, they have like forced integration, you know, Fair Housing Act.
So there's like some sketchy people around the area, despite it being on the water in a very nice place, go two streets over.
LA is the same way.
You know, you get a $20 million house, go two streets over, there's Section 8 housing, right?
So there's a very, very interesting forced integration.
And that has consequences.
That's a very small example that people notice.
Why are we locking up deodorant?
Who's taking deodorant?
That's a very odd thing.
It's definitely not the Indian immigrants.
So who is it, right?
What have you seen?
Like, what did you notice personally about the effects of a multicultural society where you're like, I don't want my children to grow up in this?
Well, some of the obvious things, obviously, just the crime rate, profanity.
I mean, I was introduced to a lot of bad habits by some friends that were not white growing up that I wish I wasn't introduced to.
Not that I blame non-white people for my vices.
They're my vices, you know.
But there wasn't the kind of wholesome culture that I kind of vaguely remember from my very earliest years.
You know, my parents had a lot of friends and they were networked with a bunch of families and they would set up play dates and most of those kids were white.
And so I remember a certain kind of experience before I was like five with my friends.
And then after that, you know, I would get bullied like I talked about.
People would speak disparagingly about European identity and our history and our accomplishments.
They would try to kind of undermine our accomplishments and say, you know, well, China invented this and that.
Europe just stole everything.
And I internalized that pretty deeply.
I mean, I wasn't like physically attacked very often a couple of times, but it wasn't serious.
And most people wouldn't because I've always been strong.
So I had that going for me.
As far as like later on in life, in the last, you know, 15 years, I've avoided multiracial, multicultural areas and have by choice tried to live around other white people.
But I lived like in a ghetto in Rochester, New York for a little while.
And I would be confronted by people on the street and, you know, we'd go out on a walk.
And when we got back, you know, there was a crime scene next to our house.
And I don't think I was really conscious of how much danger I was in at the time.
Luckily, nothing actually happened.
But I try not to focus on the negative because the way I see it, you know, different people have different habits.
You know, when Koreans got together in their own communities in Southern California, which would happen, they would be clean and organized and they had certain standards for how people should act.
When blacks in Rochester got together, they had a different set of standards.
Now, we obviously tend to judge other people by our own standards.
You have to really kind of bear in mind when European civilization encountered sub-Saharan Africa, they didn't have the wheel.
They didn't have writing.
They didn't have two-story buildings.
You know, it's just unfair, really, to expect someone with such a different background going back thousands of years to just assimilate immediately into the way that Europeans who have been civilized for millennia or even East Asians who have been civilized for millennia do things.
So yeah, I don't focus on the negative.
Even there, it's like if one culture is more violent, yeah, I would prefer not to live in that culture.
But some animal species, you know, deer, the bucks will butt heads and they'll fight over mates.
And that's part of how they survive.
So I try to take sort of a, you know, a relative perspective on things.
Not that there's no objective morality, but clearly different types of creatures and different types of people and groups of people, I think God ordained that they should behave and live differently.
And I think trying to forcibly integrate everyone together leads to confusion because we don't all have the same standards.
I'd say maybe I focus on some of the negatives too much because it's always easy, you know, the way our flesh is is to be attracted to the negative, right?
It's a very common mentality.
And as I mentioned earlier, you know, being that there's no safety here, one point I wanted to bring up.
So let's start talking about this colony you started.
I bring up the zip code and I don't live in one of those, to clarify, I don't live in one of those $20, $30 million houses.
So that's not the case.
I just live in that zip code.
And those are my neighbors.
And it's just funny to me that you spend all that money and yet you still, you know, have some of the same problems that you would in the inner city.
But still, why is it so expensive?
Well, a cop drives by my house probably every 30 minutes.
And we call it the green zones in South Florida.
So if you look where you move, you move on crime maps and it's either red, orange, yellow, light green, or dark green.
And the dark green areas are where it's more expensive.
And what's crazy is that people say you're insane for what you're doing, but I think everybody's doing what you're doing.
Even a lot of non-white people are doing what you're doing in terms of they have adopted white culture.
They want to live around the safety and the cleanness and the standards of white society, even if they're not white.
And I think you respect and know that there's a lot of people like that, very, very well-intended people.
And the one thing that I noticed is to not live around people who hate you.
For lack of better words and to live around your own people in this country.
If you want to do it in the city, you want to do it in a metropolitan area.
It's damn near impossible for 99.9 of people due to cost.
Did you notice that when you were starting this that, like the amount of money it takes to stay in the city and to live around white people only is damn near impossible for even even upper middle income people to afford it's?
It's like it's like the only the ultra rich have that luxury.
It's almost like and this is sort of my conspiracy theorist side kicking in, but it sometimes.
I think that the eugenicists in the early 20th century never gave up that ideology.
You know we're all being mixed together and all sorts of people are breeding, but then there's like two regimes going on.
There's like a separation in the gene pool where the wealthy whites and the wealthy East Asians, wealthy Jews Indians, they kind of are forming their own society and at the very highest levels, the wealthiest whites, the old money, like they're just inoculated against all the negative consequences here.
Um, and I, I guess if you look back at European history, you know the relationship of the nobles to the peasantry.
Sometimes there was that authentic noblesse oblige.
But with the rise of the merchant class, the French Revolution and this kind of unregulated power dynamic, with industrialization where, you know, capitalists had millions and billions of dollars eventually and ordinary working people were subjected to worse and worse conditions.
They had, you know, worse and worse bargaining power and effectively our upper class just turned on our folk and abandoned us and now they don't really see a serious difference between a lower middle class white person and any random person from the third third world they want to bring in.
They have no loyalty to us in particular, they can get the other labor cheaper.
They have their own society, separate from us, you know.
So people like to blame it on other groups and yeah, it probably wouldn't have happened without the involvement of outside groups, but it's really our own elite who betrayed us.
You know, I happen to agree with that and I feel like with, even with Trump right now and, and you know, possibly pardoning Diddy, you know, maybe giving clemency to, to Ghillain Maxwell, the cover-up there.
You know, even his cabinet Kash Patel nominating, actually promoting one of the leading corrupt FBI investigators for the january 6th uh sham, you know this, this level of uniparty corruption, is a reminder that these people don't care about you And, you know, that is an interesting statement.
And I feel like a lot of people in the right wing are trying to get people who want them to die to care about them and listen to them.
And there's a lot of us who are going, you know what?
I don't know if I really care about the right wing or the left wing at this point in this country.
The system isn't working, right?
That's what a lot of people are feeling.
This is, like I said, I spent all this money to move to a neighborhood and yet you still have locked up deodorant and you go two streets over and you still got to carry a gun because you don't know if you're going to make it home.
And it's that serious.
People that don't know the show, I've been jumped.
I've had several key felony crimes committed against me by non-white people.
I've never had a serious crime committed against me by a white person.
And that's just the untrue fact.
Someone stated that you must be an easy victim.
I go, no, I was just a poor white growing up in LA.
So that's what it was like living in LA as a poor white.
But going over to the community here, the people before you that try to do stuff like this, like Ruby Ridge, Waco, it didn't end too well for them.
It doesn't look like there's a lot of people in power that want whites to have the ability to freely associate with themselves alone.
I want to get your opinion on your community.
Who do you think those powers are?
And what's your thought process when you look around you on why, number one, the powers at B are so against this thing that you're doing?
And two, why white people, a lot of them, are so against what you're doing.
And they're so eager to want to destroy their own uniformity, homogeneity, and embrace this technocratic feudalism, I call it multiculturalism.
Because they were taught to by the television in their schools, by professors.
I mean, white guilt, that was a normal concept.
They were trying to force students to wear bracelets, you know, to remind them of their white guilt in, I think, Wisconsin or Minnesota.
I don't know what year that was, but now they're not doing that.
And I think that's indicative of this swing back in the other direction just in recent years.
And it's a factor primarily, I think, of the opening up of information.
You know, they don't control just a few channels that everyone is forced to watch now.
We have options.
We have access to information directly and very sophisticated information, fine-grained, you know, data on racial differences, scientific theories that actually are more advanced now than they were in the 1990s.
You had old school white nationalists who had some talking points that we have similar talking points today, but we're far more sophisticated in the actual depth of our understanding of the nature of race and the nature of our history and what makes us unique.
So I think we are prepared to do this now, building communities in a way, especially also with AI research.
And like we have legal tools now that you could only dream of 10 years ago.
You know, you would need a team of lawyers from the get-go to get Return to the Land off the ground 10 years ago.
But we had very smart people and ChatGPT to start with, you know, and that was enough.
And we developed a sound legal framework.
And now we have lawyers because, you know, we scaled and there's support behind us.
But now the Attorney General of Arkansas, he's been conducting an investigation into us and he found so far that there's nothing illegal.
So now some random group of internet Personalities and just people interested for their own sake, autodidacts, people learning in a self-directed way about our history and heritage.
They are able to build something now that couldn't be done in the past.
We are able to be more scrupulous about our structure.
We're also just a different type of person.
You know, we're motivated by different things than the old school white nationalists of the past.
I'm not a white nationalist.
You know, my goal is not sovereignty for white Americans in the United States over other groups.
I don't think whites should be a first-class citizen class or race, and then others should be second-class citizens.
Maybe I would rather that the United States didn't take this course back in 1965, but we did.
And we invited a lot of people in, and they're here.
And we're not going to deport 100 million people.
There's no feasible way to do it.
You know, every other person would have to be border patrol or in ICE.
And it's just not realistic.
So my goal is building communities that are legal, that have good optics, that are fair, that aren't cults like some of those groups you mentioned.
And now we have the tools to do it.
We have the information available.
We have the ability to crowdfund.
And people don't believe in the establishment.
You know, people point to Waco, what is that, 30 years ago?
And they couldn't live stream what was happening.
They couldn't tell their side of the story.
Now people know our side of the story.
They know our motivations.
And we're careful, you know, because we look at those examples from the past.
But I think the fact that there are those examples shouldn't lead to us cowering and never trying to self-organize ever again and just hoping that something will change from the top down.
That shows that, okay, we have to get smarter about how we plan these things.
Yeah, now I want to talk about some of the criticisms of the community and what your take would be, particularly from your own community.
We know what the left is saying or what these radical globalists or Jewish organizations would think.
People know the Fair Housing Act, by the way.
It's like a lot of what was about blacks having rights, the civil rights movement.
I think it was like 1948.
There's these two famous black doctors, I mean, lawyers.
And it was about blacks living with whites, but it turns out that it was actually four Jewish individuals who wrote the laws.
And they were trying to move into white neighborhoods that they could buy up property and change the structure of our housing industry like we have today.
And it actually had nothing to do with blacks.
And in fact, blacks were used as pawns so that Jewish organizations could take down those barriers, which were even here in Palm Beach County, by the way.
Which very, very traditionally, of course, we're on YouTube.
So I'm not sponsoring these ideas.
I'm just saying this is the historical fact.
Jews were even excluded from the country clubs here, you know, up until recently.
Same in Beverly Hills as well.
And how quickly, you know, people say, well, why?
I mean, that's, you know, some people think it's objectionable.
Some people think it was a good idea to this day.
I didn't live during that era, but I can tell you this: you know, things can change rapidly where you have someone like Walt Disney who didn't want to hire Jews because he said that they would pervert his business.
And then now Disney only hires Jewish executives and have somewhat perverted his dream, right?
Some people like the new black little mermaid, some people don't.
So it's really just kind of up to you whether you like the multicultural, you know, Jewish world that we live in, or if you don't.
And, you know, there are terms for that, like goislop, or, you know, people use a lot of colloquialisms.
It's not what the show is about.
It's trying to get you to think a certain way.
The point is, is like, you know, the world has gone a direction, and I consider that direction to be very much down.
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If we were just building one small rural community, you could argue it was running away.
But we're not limiting ourselves to just one and we don't intend to stay rural forever.
People have to understand we're not going to get a city block in Manhattan as our first project.
You have to build up from a place that it's easy to develop real estate and a place where the law is on your side.
Like because we're in Arkansas, when they conduct their investigation, they're going to find that we're not in violation of the law.
If we were in California or New York or many other states trying this, we probably wouldn't have a similar result.
So we're doing this in a part of the country that's already conservative where we fit in.
This isn't that shocking to the locals.
And good thing because people do recognize me now in the area.
So you start where you can act with the resources that you do have, and then you have a proof of concept.
And then you're able to galvanize more support for further projects.
So I'm looking to go and actually tour the country a bit and organize not immediately full-time residence communities everywhere, but we can organize things like campgrounds or media centers or recreational lands of other sorts.
And even in California or New York, things like that can be done.
There's a lot of legal precedent that you mentioned, you know, allowing private clubs to freely associate however they want.
Well, we're not trying to skirt the law, but we do look very carefully at the nature of the precedents, and they give reasons for those rulings.
So, when we organize, we are not violating any of the reasons why these other clubs were deemed, you know, not private associations.
Now, that opens us up to future rulings, nailing down and constraining our options even further, which is why it's important to build a large legal team and do a lot of legal research.
We're hiring multiple lawyers to get a framework that isn't going to violate state or federal laws.
Now, some states are harder than others, right?
So, you still have to start in those states that are conservative, where their version of the Fair Housing Act, because each state will have its own, is not quite as restrictive.
So, you have to be a bona fide private association.
And, you know, that's what we're doing.
We're looking at the case law and doing our due diligence.
And basically, like we have no other option, as you said, like we have to act in some capacity.
Now, if we could get all of our guys elected and change all the laws, that'd be great.
But unfortunately, we don't have all those people.
We don't have the backing.
We don't have the financial support.
What we can do is build up grassroots organizations and clubs and community centers that will gradually build our ability to influence electoral politics.
You know, because if we're meeting up in the same place, we know each other, we're used to working on projects together, not just like complaining online together and having solidarity in that sense, but we're used to organizing, forming companies together, showing up at a given time for events.
Well, then we can organize politically, door-knocking campaigns for particular candidates.
We can run candidates.
You know, you do need that top-down elite support.
At the same time, elites need bottom-up, you know, grassroots organizing, and they use it.
All the successful campaigns do have both directions going for them.
So we're building not just a grassroots political organization.
We're not a political organization.
We're one level beneath that.
You have to provide a kind of communal infrastructure where people, they just know these ideas.
It's in their bones.
They have a kind of ideological readout that they can always come back to that fortifies them.
And there's really no limit to how far we can expand in that way.
Media centers, schools, we can't start businesses that are discriminatory in that way, but we can organize and network a lot of small-scale businesses and facilitate people getting trained in relevant skills.
And we can specialize in certain industries that are A, productive for building more communities and more infrastructure, and B, in which those in which we have some kind of competitive advantage.
And we can look for different kinds of specialties in different areas.
Obviously, we're very into construction.
We're very into land development, not for the sake of selling off lots, but also with all this experience that we're getting, you know, we could build a traditional construction company and raise funds in that way.
We're networked with people who also are into similar industries.
So, you know, the limitation here is on what we can imagine and bootstrap.
You know, you have to have an entrepreneurial mindset.
There's not like a fixed sum of wealth out there, and we just need a piece of it.
Like, we have to get the finite number of elites or some percentage of them on our side.
No, you can actually build wealth from the ground up by developing land, by mining.
Like, we could have a mining operation, not through RTTL, but we could have people organizing things like that.
Um, and some sectors of the economy are very tightly controlled and hard to get into because they're gatekept.
Others are far more open.
And because I think there's been fear of getting waco, there's been, you know, this refrain that you're running away to the woods or that's just a trailer park.
We're not thinking about how we could collectively organize in those sectors of the economy that are actually relatively friendly to us.
You know, we don't all have to be in finance and politics and these elite high-status fields.
As individuals, many of us want to be in those areas and some of us can be.
The majority of us can't because we're being gatekept out.
Like white men won't be hired in a lot of these places.
You're not going to go work for JP Morgan and rise up the corporate ladder.
But if you start a mining operation and start a chain of real estate development enterprises, you can become a millionaire or even billionaire if we organize correctly.
Well, you know, and this is fundamentally, you and I have a similar approach.
You know, obviously, we both are from Southern California and I've tried to work in the system myself.
There's no point to explain it, but you know, hey, we have a network.
We have, we have a few shows starting.
And I mean, we got a guy in the White House now.
We got White House credentials.
We got security clearance.
So people said we couldn't do it.
And maybe we will fail, but we're doing it.
I mean, hey, that's kind of cool.
We got some good contracts coming up and we're not taking the Zionist money and we are going to remain honest.
And I think people think like, kind of like with what you, it's like, oh, you must be trying to kill black people.
You must be trying to do this.
And it's like, okay, slow down.
Just like with us, they're going, oh, so you're a bunch of anti-Semites.
Oh, this is an anti-Jewish network.
You go, no, no, no.
Look what we're doing here.
No, we're actually starting a network to cover the things we want to cover.
It's not to really like be against anyone.
It's like, it's like, and I also don't want to forcibly support anyone that I don't want to support.
Like if I don't like somebody or something, I want to be able to make sure my network and my people can speak out against it and not, you know, have our funding cut off.
Right.
So that, and that, that takes more than just, like you mentioned, just getting a camera.
It's like, you know, to do an operation, you've got to have funding and security and lawyers and, you know, real estate and travel funds and whatever.
And it is, it is daunting, maybe not as daunting as what you're doing, for sure.
I applaud you, but what I think people are realizing is it can be done.
And that's what I think, whether what you're doing, what we're doing, I've seen a few other people doing very similar things, but different fields.
It's like, hey, we have to create our own ecosystems.
However, one thing that is unique between you and I is this is not a whites only company.
Okay.
Got a very non-white person like switching the show right now.
In fact, the NSN network in Australia, who I know very well, was like, I heard that your entire company is a bunch of brown Catholics.
And I was like, no, there's like, there's a few Catholics and they're white and there's a few brown people.
But yeah, I mean, we're in South Florida.
It's a very diverse area.
And, you know, culturally speaking, you know, we're all very much aligned.
This is an ideological company, not a racial company, right?
So we're like fighting on certain constitutional values and free values, knowing that those have been amended.
But I do care about the racial component, right?
Especially for my own personal life.
So how are you going to grow and attract, let's say, businesses that are established or people that want to grow, knowing that their staff may already be diverse, right?
And may have people.
And let me just start there because I have a few questions I think are very, like I've heard people ask.
It's like, yeah, how would you attract wealthy people or people that want to invest and move their enterprise knowing that there's laws against discrimination on hiring, right?
Like that's very much an illegal thing.
And you cannot ask about people's race when you're hiring.
I mean, there are certain small-scale manufacturing businesses that can run out of the property legally.
We can't have public-facing type businesses.
We can't run a hotel or a hospital or things like that for obvious reasons because it's illegal.
So you have to look at where we can have our own spaces, private clubs, private residential communities.
We haven't fully demonstrated that it is legally viable, but we're getting there.
You know, that statement from one of the staff members of the Attorney General, that's very encouraging.
You know, the battle's not over and we'll see how it actually pans out.
But if we can set that precedent, then we'll know that that CEO of some big corporation that's already diverse, maybe he can't move the corporation itself into the community, but he can move into the community and he can help our community members get jobs in his corporation or other corporations.
That kind of networking is not illegal.
You know, and other more activist groups already do that kind of networking and a lot of people benefit from it, but we're not networked enough.
Most people are not maximizing their potential as individuals.
And we've had this kind of individualist ethos in these circles that you have to go out and go to college and get trained or go into the trades and make a bunch of money.
And yes, we do have to be individually accountable, but also people actualize when they're supported by a community that believes in them.
A lot of young men are just lost.
They don't have role models.
They don't have older men in their lives that they can even look to or talk to.
You know, so community, community centers, recreational lands, camps, like we can have big nationwide events where we all get together in a safe space for us and meet each other in person and begin to trust one another.
And that's where these other projects take off.
They might be in the public sector.
What we're doing is private, but we can compete just like Jews and Indians and other ethnic groups.
They compete in semi-collectivistic ways, obviously, in public businesses.
We can do the same thing.
You know, they're setting that precedent as groups of Indians who hire Indians.
We can't do it in violation of the law, but the law has limits, you know, and if you always stay a thousand miles away from those limits, then those limits are going to approach you further.
You know, we have to organize as a race, as a people, as far as the law allows.
So that's why all this legal research and creating our own spaces and better educating our people, creating schools eventually, that's going to let us realistically at a nationwide scale act together.
And look how powerful Jews are, or even Indians.
They're the highest earning ethnic group in the U.S., right?
They're that powerful because across the entire U.S., they're networked.
They have community centers.
If we, as 50% of the population, started doing the same thing and lifting our people up, all of us, no one could compete.
These are a couple of technical questions, which probably will have brought up as well on the live show.
If people want to watch, we also did a live show, one of our reactionary shows directly on a live stream a few days ago.
Feel free to check that out.
But this is more of a one-on-one.
I do have a serious question for you, though.
How do you define a white person, right?
Because we have people on staff here that are not white that will go to the grave telling me they're Southern European and they're white.
And I think that's funny.
Like, just look, you're not white and I have eyes, right?
Just like we have people that are telling me they're naturally blonde.
It's like, you're, that's brown hair.
Okay, I have eyes.
You're not fooling me.
So I want to ask these are these are the two questions.
A, how do you define what is white and how much white do you have to be to be considered white?
And two, what do you do about mixed race couples where someone is white and even let's say their kids look white, but they're with a Hispanic or something like Latino or something of that regard, maybe a Sicilian or Lebanese, right?
Like what do what do you do with a situation like that in this kind of community?
Because I know what Jews do, but what would you do?
Oh, Jews will like allow the people to move in, but then they have to convert, right?
So they have to convert to Judaism.
And so then they have to be accepted.
So that's what I'm saying.
I don't know if you can convert to being white since it's not necessarily a religious group, but Jews kind of have that one up where they're both an ethnic and a religious society, right?
So you kind of get accepted ethnically to an extent when you get a religious conversion.
So how do you deal with that in terms of forming like a movement and people that would be interested?
I use the term white often enough because that's what people refer to European people as, but we're an association for people of European heritage, both biologically and culturally.
So if someone is predominantly European, they have some non-European ancestry, we judge those things on a case-by-case basis.
So we don't just look at, you know, what percent are you?
We also look, what skills do you bring to the table?
What is your kind of religious background?
How compatible are you with our values as an organization and with us as individuals?
Because we're scouting for, you know, potential members of our community.
They're going to be our neighbors.
So that interpersonal dimension is huge.
You know, it's not reductive.
You can't boil these things down to numbers.
But as a European association, we think it is important to set a strong standard.
We want people who it's without question their primary allegiance is to the European people and the European tradition.
I don't mean above God and all else, but as far as among countries, we don't want dual loyalty being an issue in our group.
And so if someone was a quarter, you know, Vietnamese or something like that, well, it's probably unlikely that the board would vote to accept them.
If someone was a quarter Syrian, presented very white, and maybe they didn't know about it, right?
They weren't raised with that part of their cultural background, it would be a harder call.
You know, these things are fuzzy, and there is no one like perfect definition of the white race.
Definitions, like strict definitions, are for mathematical things.
They're for concepts.
They're for things that are kind of artificial or things that are natural, like mathematicals, in my philosophical view.
But collectives, cultures, these things are inherently messy.
So, I mean, that's the way it's always been.
It's like you can't separate cleanly where exactly orange ends and red begins, not without ambiguity.
And yet, we easily every day say that's red, that's orange, you know, and how do you make those discernments experience?
And in our case, there's other factors also that we're considering.
Yeah, I think on the live show, I want to talk to you about more the fun stuff like that.
This was more of really getting into your mind and like what's going on.
And I think we'll have talked about the AG case on the show live.
So this will air on Friday.
This will be on a Friday.
And there will have been a live show on Wednesday.
If you want to know why I'm pre-recorded, it's because number one, my guy here's got kids, so do I.
So we can't just, you know, be traveling doing whatever.
But also, when you're watching this, I will be in El Salvador with some crypto billionaires and the El Salvadorian government who has the same question.
How do we decouple from this insanity as they took back El Salvador using fascistic means?
You know, I'm learning a lot from the government on how a country is restored, right?
And how the order is restored.
And also dealing with a lot of people who have decoupled for the banking system that live in compounds.
And I'm learning a lot from them.
And we're really, we're really forming strong ties.
And, you know, you would know some of these people.
We've had them on the show.
These are some of the biggest names in crypto in general.
These are not crypto scammers, pump and dump people.
These are the Bitcoin billionaires, right?
Who all live together in these palatial places in the jungles of El Salvador, escaping governments.
And, you know, that's what Rift TV is very serious.
Like, we're not just partnering with very, very, very powerful people who have the same vision we have, right?
Which is which is to get the hell out of whatever's going on here and to figure out how to overcome it so we survive because we're not doing a very damn good job at that.
My guest today, Eric Orwell, fantastic what you're doing, man.
I think it's, I think it's, it's going to develop.
I think we'll be doing more content together.
I know if the voice interests you, you know, we won't get into what I want to do and whatever, but I feel like there's a lot of potential here, especially what I've done in the past, making movies and documentaries, Tucker Carlson people, and, you know, and really effective things that have changed narratives in the BLM times and been used in impeachment hearings and things.
I like controlling narratives.
It's one of my favorite things to do.
And I think you're controlling the narrative too.
I think you're doing a damn good job at it in keeping what could potentially be painted as a very terrible, anti-humane settlement of racist, evil people into a positive statement of people who love humanity and they love their families and they love God and they're seeking to build something.
If there's any last thought that you would like people to know about your settlement, and if people were interested in joining, you know, you guys probably already have a waiting list, whether they wanted to start their own or whatnot.
And genuinely, as people know, you know, this show Almost Serious is more of a, it's like a show for people who maybe don't want to digest some of the more controversial ideas in ways that are, it's, it's much more educational.
And it was, it was founded because, you know, I find that a lot of people, like a lot of men, right-wing ideas, when blatantly stated, is pretty much their equivalent of OnlyFans.
You know, it's like, well, if I just say the N-word and tell black people I hate them, I get a lot of clicks.
And it's like, yeah, well, if women show their private parts, they also get a lot of clicks.
And is our goal getting a lot of clicks?
Because clicks doesn't lead to necessarily to value.
It doesn't lead necessarily to effectiveness, to anything positive or change, but it does get people to see, right?
Now, what are those eyes seeing?
Is it leading them to think differently?
Or is it reinforcing their biases against you, you know?
And so, you know, I don't think girls embracing being whores was a positive movement to making men respect them or to gaining any more respect in the feminist movement.
And as a way, I don't think a lot of these young, particularly white men who think just being jackass for the sake of it is really accomplishing much.
I think they have the right to do it.
I don't know, counter signal or oppose them.
But if you're watching this, you know, the point of these shows is because, you know, I may agree with a lot of people who come out across abhorrent and I'm trying to understand if their ideas are true, but yet society thinks they're abhorrent.
How do we change societies to see the truth as attractive rather than scary, right?
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