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June 2, 2025 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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We Went on TIMCAST.. Here’s What Happened | The Rift

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elijah schaffer
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elijah schaffer
What's up, guys?
My name's Elijah Schaefer.
sarah stock
My name's Sarah Stock.
elijah schaffer
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sarah stock
Because we need to get our ideas out there.
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unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
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sarah stock
Did Trump not come out in support of the H-1B visas recently?
So how is he not doing it?
tim pool
There's a big difference between H-1B visas and open the door to 20 million illegal immigrants in four years.
sarah stock
I mean, there's a difference, but it's still contributing to the problem.
tim pool
I disagree.
I think the problem is low fertility and an excess of low-skilled labor.
Trump's saying, now, the problem is the exploitation of H-1Bs.
If H-1Bs were actually mid-to-high-level talent, then it would be largely okay, depending on the level of visas they're giving out.
The issue is that, dude, a bunch of these companies are giving out H-1Bs for like cashiers, and it's a clear exploitation.
So, fundamentally, H1Bs.
sarah stock
But a lot of it's the tech industry, too.
And I mean, there's plenty of young men who got these computer science degrees and they try to get a job in the tech industry.
And like, they're having to compete with Indians who don't even, they're not even American at all.
tim pool
I think there is something to be said for, I think.
sarah stock
So it's the high-skill jobs, too.
tim pool
I think we had talked about this before.
Elon Musk complained that Americans are bad workers, that these young men suck, they're lazy, they're entitled.
sarah stock
Yeah, so Vivek, too.
elijah schaffer
And I think we've got Vivek mainly.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
You said that we were like the generation of like TV binging and he's rally going.
tim pool
And he's right.
And my point was.
elijah schaffer
Well, my name's Elijah Schaefer.
unidentified
Welcome.
elijah schaffer
Welcome back to a special Sunday episode of the Rift.
can find me directly at Elijah Schaefer right there on X.
I am joined today talking about our time on Tim Pool's show with my co-host today, Sarah Stock.
Welcome back.
sarah stock
Yeah, happy to be here.
And a lot went down on Tim Pool.
So I think that we have a lot to talk about.
You want to follow me on X at Sarah C Stock.
elijah schaffer
Awesome.
All right, let's talk about it.
So obviously you and I, we went to Tim Poole's house.
We were on his show.
It's no surprise.
Did hundreds of thousands of views, millions on social media.
That's not really important.
What was important was the topics that we covered.
If people want to check it out, there was me with Tim.
It seems like Tim's so famous that you can just kind of put a picture up with him.
It already does like hundreds of thousands of impressions.
You had the same situation here.
You took a picture with Tim and his co-host.
sarah stock
Yeah, I almost chopped off his arm with that sword by accident.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, you didn't really know how to pull the sword out of the sheep.
You seemed to be like...
sarah stock
I almost grabbed it, like, just feeling like it was fake.
I almost grabbed the blade.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, you did, actually.
sarah stock
And then they were telling me not to do that.
elijah schaffer
You know, I was actually nervous for everybody, considering the fact that you were trying to pull the sword out and like you just didn't.
You were trying to pull it out.
sarah stock
And it was kind of heavy and I almost like kind of like dropped it on my shoulder too.
elijah schaffer
Not good at wielding the sword.
That's definitely a true statement.
So she is blonde.
But that being said, you know, there are people in this industry that do like swords, particularly we all know James Lindsay was very, very much a big fan.
And you asked James if he ever wanted to pull swords with you, that you were more than welcome to get in the battle with him, right?
sarah stock
Yeah, I did, in fact, say that.
It was funny.
Literally before we took this picture of the swords, someone said, you know, if only James Lindsay was here with us, we've seen he's very good at holding a sword and fighting and everything, as we've seen from his social media posts.
So it's too bad that he wasn't there to be a part of that photo op.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, but jokes aside, we were joined by Mary Morgan, who some of the people memed it reminded you that when our founding fathers landed on the islands here, this is who they encountered, right, for the first time.
That's who they encountered.
Now, you have to be chronically online to understand that.
Well, as we talk about this, I mean, obviously, you know, I've been on Tim Pool maybe eight times.
I don't know if that's accurate, but you know, just quite a bit.
I'm not new to this industry.
It's not like I just showed up yesterday.
But, you know, you're the new hot commodity on the street.
You're the one that everybody wants to interact with.
Everybody wants on the show.
And you got on the show fairly quickly.
It was like a couple months ago.
You just went on to a Jubilee episode and suddenly now you're on Tim Pool.
It's kind of a big accomplishment for you as well, which I think is like kind of cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
sarah stock
I mean, it's pretty cool.
I guess it's okay.
It's like whatever.
elijah schaffer
It's whatever.
sarah stock
Be thankful.
elijah schaffer
Be thankful, Sarah.
All right, we got to talk about this.
So obviously, there were some very heated moments in the show.
Today, we're going to be going over the fun moments.
We're going to be going over the heated moments.
We're going to be talking about like what probably could have gone differently.
Maybe being respectful to Tim, you know, and also to the people he criticizes on what he could have done better.
And it seems like at the end of this, I'm not even going to bring up, you know, all the altercations.
What it seemed like is that everybody was pissed at us for our performance except for the people who watched Timcast, who seemed to be like pretty much in our favor.
I think we win, but it looks like everyone we talked about was mad at us in some direction.
Am I wrong on that?
sarah stock
Yeah, people were kind of pissed off on all fronts, but whatever.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, but whatever.
unidentified
All right.
elijah schaffer
So let's jump back in that clip we started with earlier.
So we ended up getting into a conversation with Tim about H-1B visas because everybody knows that Vivek famously fumbled his line where he talked about, you know, that we need Indians, you know, we need.
sarah stock
Americans are just so lazy and their standards are just too high.
elijah schaffer
Correct.
It's young people can't get ahead, like AOC said, because they don't pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
You know, it's not because we have record cost of living, that rent used to be, you know, 15 to 20%, or it was a mortgage at the time, of income.
Now it's on average like 40 to 50% of a person's income.
You know, we've had a 60% drop in the buying power of the dollar.
We have record inflation, printing of money, endless wars that have made the quality of life go down.
But luckily, you have the brand new iPhone.
So that makes it worth it all, right?
You can't have kids.
You can have a family.
You can't have a single income marriage, but you have an iPhone, as the boomers say.
So you have it better than they did because you can watch internet at the click of a finger.
And that's really what makes our country go around.
It's not the hegemony of racial, you know, superiority, religious continuity.
It's not about having a value system, being able to get married, reproduce.
It's all the fact that you can order Uber Eats, goy slop, and watch.
sarah stock
Yeah.
I mean, as long as you can just be a slave for the rest of your life and just rent everything and never own a single thing because even your car is leased and you can't even buy a new car anymore.
You can't even buy a home.
So you're just going to be renting forever and you can't even pay for all your college at once.
You'll just have to repay your loans for the rest of your life.
So basically, you're just a slave to debt and usury, which benefits a certain class of people that's not us.
You'll be fine.
elijah schaffer
We don't know who they are.
A certain class of people.
Well, we were joined with Tim.
We jumped into stuff immediately talking about this.
This is a very contentious topic.
People love Indians.
I mean, not the people that live in most Western societies, but a lot of people love them.
I mean, they make great things for society.
sarah stock
A lot of CEOs love them.
elijah schaffer
A lot of CEOs love them.
They make curry, which, you know, our intestines don't like, but our taste buds do.
sarah stock
And chai.
Don't forget about that.
But I like chai.
elijah schaffer
Chai, yeah.
They also, you know, trash companies love the pollution they add.
You know what I mean?
It's a big business.
And who doesn't like them?
Toilet paper companies?
They don't use it.
Deodorant companies, never tried it.
And maybe soap companies either.
Anything with hygiene.
But jokes aside, you know, we started talking with Tim because Tim was making an argument that, you know, we were living in a day and age where essentially the reason why people are behind today is because they are not working hard enough.
And I think, Sarah, you brought this up pretty indiscriminately.
That's really not the case.
In fact, that's not true at all.
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All right, let's talk about this clip.
So here's what happened.
sarah stock
Listen, we had to say: did Trump not come out in support of the H-1B visas recently?
So how was he not doing?
tim pool
There's a big difference between H-1B visas and open the door to 20 million illegal immigrants in four years.
sarah stock
I mean, there's a difference, but it's still contributing to the problem.
tim pool
I disagree.
I think the problem is low fertility and an excess of low-skilled labor.
Trump's saying, now, the problem is the exploitation of H-1Bs.
If H-1Bs were actually mid-to-high-level talent, then it would be largely okay, depending on the level of visas they're giving out.
The issue is that, dude, a bunch of these companies are giving out H-1Bs for like cashiers, and it's a clear exploitation.
So fundamentally, H-1Bs.
sarah stock
A lot of it's the tech industry, too.
And I mean, there's plenty of young men who got these computer science degrees and they try to get a job in the tech industry.
And like they're having to compete with Indians who don't even, they're not even American at all.
tim pool
I think there is something to be said for, I think.
sarah stock
But it's the high-skill jobs, too.
tim pool
I think we had talked about this before.
Elon Musk complained that Americans are bad workers, that these young men suck.
They're lazy.
They're entitled.
sarah stock
Yeah, so Vivek, too.
tim pool
And I think we've got this.
elijah schaffer
That was Vivek mainly.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
You said that we were like the generation of TV binging.
And he's rally going.
tim pool
And he's right.
And my point was, so what?
No, no, no, hold on, hold on.
sarah stock
Maybe it was just no.
elijah schaffer
So this is kind of the craziest part about this.
So the entire right wing completely reneged on their support for Vivek.
Vivek's now running for the governor of Ohio.
And no offense to Ohians, but nobody really wants to live in Ohio.
Even Ohians want to move out.
There are better states in the union.
Of course, Ohians, you guys are great.
We love you all.
It's fine.
But I'm saying he went from being like the potential president of the country to then running for a governor of a state that nobody wanted to run in.
And, you know, we love our Ohio people, but like, let's just be honest, that was a fall from grace.
And that only happened primarily because he insulted Americans.
And I'm joking about insulting Americans while I'm doing this in that he just said, we all suck.
It's essentially what he just did, what I said right now.
Hey, you know, I like you guys, but you're all basically low class and you're all retarded.
And, you know, you don't think straight and you're lazy and you watch movies.
And yeah, I mean, there is a certain class of Americans that are like that.
But overall, we're still the most resilient people in the entire world.
We are the greatest class of human beings that have ever existed in terms of world and global domination.
And yeah, while there's a lot of people who don't deserve to be here, white Americans really aren't that stupid and lazy.
In fact, we are leading in every single parameter, maybe besides, you know, Southeast Asians.
But still, the fact that Tim agreed with Vivek, I don't see any other reason behind that than maybe he has a future in the Republican Party.
He has some ties to Vivek, or he's just trying to appease YouTube censors.
sarah stock
I was, yeah, I was honestly a little bit shocked by that take because obviously Tim is a really smart guy.
And it's kind of like also, if you are trying to appeal to Republicans or to the MAGA movement, I feel like everyone kind of knows at this point that we're kind of pro-American workers.
And like, if you're truly MAGA, that's, you know, that's what you're going to do.
So it was kind of a surprising take from him.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, well, not really, but no, but I know what you mean.
It is, it is interesting.
I mean, I was surprised.
sarah stock
I don't watch a ton of his stuff, so I didn't really expect that.
I kind of thought he was more mainline MAGA.
elijah schaffer
So, well, I think I've known Tim for like about a decade now.
So, you know, when it comes across that sometimes he just sort of like takes these positions, I never know if he's just being arbitrarily divisive to keep people interested or if he really just believes this stuff.
Because I don't like, I don't like to believe that he actually thinks this way, you know?
sarah stock
Maybe he's just being a contrarian.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, that's that's kind of what I'm thinking.
sarah stock
I mean, come on.
Remember when he said that Carmelo Anthony was self-defense?
I was like, no one actually thinks that.
Like, this is just you being, you know, stirring the pot.
elijah schaffer
But maybe he does.
Like, that's why I don't know.
And listen, he goes on to explain this.
Listen to this.
tim pool
I got to finish the point.
He is correct.
Millennials are lazy, entitled losers.
Not every single one.
The point is, so what?
If you don't hire them and start forcing them into this system, we will never recover.
You don't, when you break your leg, you don't go, I'm not going to walk because my legs are broken.
We have the worst legs.
Someone should carry me.
No, you go to physical therapy and start struggling to walk and you get a cane and you get a cast or you get a wheelchair and then you start to rebuild your strength so you can walk again.
We have a crummy generation.
That's a fact.
Gen Z and millennials are largely entitled and lazy.
But if we don't force them into the and start doing that physical therapy, that labor therapy to get them back into the mentality of meritocracy, we just collapse.
sarah stock
No, but it's just based on this lie, though.
Like corporations aren't not hiring Gen Z men because they're lazy.
They're hiring, they're not hiring them because they can pay Indians less and treat them worse.
tim pool
That coincides with laziness.
What?
It coincides.
elijah schaffer
But I think it's like no, it's not.
sarah stock
It's because Americans actually have standards.
elijah schaffer
Sarah, I feel like you made a point about that.
It was like, it's weird that people always assume that the standards of Americans, or, you know, as we'd call them, heritage Americans, people that look like you and me, right?
Like people that look like us, if people catch my drift, that we would have standards in a country that we built.
You know, you and I just got back from Tim's, you know, flying into DC.
And, you know, when we were driving, it's like, we got a nice car.
We're in a nice part of town.
We're in a decent hotel.
Is that bad to have standards for your life?
Is it bad to work hard and to want to be rewarded for your labor?
Is it bad to drive around DC and look at the buildings and see what our ancestors, you know, designed and wanted for us and go, you know what?
They didn't design all this beauty and marble and stonework so that Indian people could take low-wage tech jobs.
They designed this for their posterity as they lay out in the founding documents.
And it's like kind of hard to listen to Americans and be like, yeah, no, America's a melting pot, a multicultural society.
And really, it's capitalism and jobs should go to whoever will take the least for the job.
And we should really put the power in the hands of corporations to pay people as little as possible.
And by the way, this is not like small businesses like Riff TV, where it's like, you know, you're not going to get paid a ton because, you know, we're mission driven.
This isn't a church where it's like, you know, you're ideologically, you know, underminded.
So, you know, you don't have a lot of natural income because you're not, you know, playing the system.
These are corporations that are, you know, making hundreds of billions, trillions of dollars that have told Americans, you know what?
We don't want to take our success and invest it back into the country.
We want to put it into the hands of a few individuals.
And then when you call it out, Tim called us communists and liberals because we wanted Americans' money to go back into America and not to go into people who don't even have residence here because we want our money to work for us and our companies to benefit us.
That makes us communists now?
I was kind of shocked.
sarah stock
Yeah, I mean, he was kind of conflating this idea of laziness, you know, basically saying that if you want to be able to have a high-paying job and you feel like that's kind of your birthright, that makes you lazy, which I feel like it's kind of the opposite.
Having standards is not being lazy.
I think everyone should have a certain amount of entitlement.
I'm trying to remember what this book is called.
I can't remember what it was called, but I read this book a few years ago and it was basically studying and analyzing the most top 1%, top 0.1%, 0.01% people when it comes to success and money and everything, and examining their lifestyle and like what the key factors were that made them successful.
And the number one factor was literally entitlement.
It's literally feeling like you are kind of owed something because that kind of makes people ask for more.
And then when you ask for more, people give you more.
So there's nothing wrong with Americans being a little bit entitled because we should be.
That's that literally is our birthright.
Our founding fathers didn't, you know, build this nation.
People didn't sacrifice their lives so that we're going to be wage slaves and get replaced by foreigners.
They literally didn't.
It was because they wanted their great, great, great, great grandchildren to have a future.
And we should be able to feel like we are kind of owed that because that's what our ancestors actually died for.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, well, not all my ancestors died.
In fact, it's kind of crazy that our ancestors, you just had your ancestry DNA test done.
And it was found out I'm Chinese.
Well, it's even worse.
It turns out she's actually white.
Yeah, it's actually embarrassing.
It was embarrassing.
I had been watching the show for a while.
And I've been trying to figure out my own ethnicity.
And then I was like, I met Sarah and then it was like, she was like, I need to check my ethnicity.
I got to find out, you know, what I am.
unidentified
I go, wait, you're white?
elijah schaffer
I've been looking at you this entire time and been going, you're white?
Look at that.
I mean, so we were all pretty shocked here at the studio.
How did that feel paying money to find out you were Caucasian?
Because I got to say, it's shocking to the audience sitting here shocked right now because when we take one look at you, we're like, she's not Nigerian?
Holy shit.
sarah stock
Yeah, I mean, a lot of people did think that I was part Mongolian or possibly Chinese or Japanese because of my positive canthel tilt in my high cheekbones, but I guess I'm not.
I guess I'm just Anglo.
elijah schaffer
Just Anglo.
sarah stock
Well, I am.
So embarrassing.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, well, believe it or not.
Speaking of this, though, now that you're Anglo, you know, this tweet went viral today.
You know, talk from Nick Ghorelli talking about how, you know, he says, like, you know, we need to bring these people in.
We're all just lazy, but we're actually in a boom of property value.
Exactly what I said on the show.
I said, actually, one of the main, actually, one of the main reasons why we're in a problematic cost of living crisis, one of the many reasons is because we have large corporate entities buying up single-family dwellings, which then increased the price of housing catastrophically.
You know, homes have gone up 30 to 60%, depending on the region, just during the 2020 thing.
And that being said, check this out.
So Nick Ghorelli posted, Florida investor bought for 550K in 2022, just sold it for $391K.
That is an 80%, 28% loss in three years.
Market is turning down fast.
Now, what's crazy about this is someone said, that doesn't sound right.
You know, who would, in their own mind, who would possibly invest or invest to that regard?
That's an extremely bad and terrible investment.
Now, I know you're not going to be shocked here, but it turns out this is right by where we are.
You know, look at that.
Boom.
It says right here, sold in 2025 for $391,000.
It was bought $550,000.
We said, what's interesting is that the investor, a Blackstone-owned entity, purchased it for $550K in April and then turned it around and tried to sell it two years later for $529 in April.
The house sat on the market for a year and they incrementally lowered the price until it finally sold.
This does not appear to be hurricane damage property as they already cut the price down to 431K before the hurricane hit, 22% lost.
After the hurricane hit, the price went down another 40K and it keeps going down.
So look, that's what I said.
I go, listen, it's these entities.
It's these actual booms of these corporations that come in and buy up the homes and then push the prices up.
Now, everyone's like, well, the prices are coming down.
The problem with this is, is that it pushes up the prices, not just for the homes they bought, but for the homes that the average citizens buy.
Now, an average individual like myself who buys a house like that for $550,000, the crash is so much higher too.
So then what happens is that you end up having a dilapidation and a quick deflation of the value.
So then, yeah, everyone's house prices went up, but during that two-year period, all the normal citizens who bought them, they can't buy or take the loss.
So they lose so much equity in their homes that do you think that the Blackstone entity cares about losing a few $100 million?
No, it's a tax write-off for them.
But can I afford $159,000 loss on property?
No, I'd be bankrupt.
So that's what I'm saying.
These entities have messed everything up.
And so, yeah, you can't just expect people to say, well, hey, you know, Bucko, you should have just learned that, you know, $159,000 loss.
It's your loss, they're gained.
And it's like, really?
Should that be legal here?
unidentified
Well, I don't know.
sarah stock
I don't understand why we allow that.
Like, why are we allowing corporations to just buy up all of our homes?
I remember actually reading Aristotle and he was saying, Aristotle believed, which like, you know, crazy.
This is like 2,000 years ago, but he was literally writing about the fact that people should only be allowed to own one home each.
But now they're going to call you like a communist, if you agree with Aristotle on something.
elijah schaffer
Really?
They're calling me a communist?
Yeah, they were actually.
They actually were.
That actually happened on the show.
It's kind of diabolical.
But, you know, even more than that, I want to bring something else up here.
You know, Jamie Dimon, who we all hate and we all despise, freaking Reagan Economic Forum here.
So really great network known as the Blaze.
Just found out about that recently.
sarah stock
Yeah, I got a job there before.
And then I got fired.
elijah schaffer
Wouldn't know.
That being said, Jamie Dimon went on.
I want to read something about what Cernovich said.
Listen to this.
Listen to what they're saying.
Listen to what the elites are saying today.
So they're starting to realize these are Republicans, right?
They're starting to realize maybe they might have messed with the system a little too much.
Maybe we're headed in a position that things aren't going to be good.
Listen.
jamie dimon
Immigration, what the hell are we doing?
You know, the 20, the bottom 20% of our population, you know, their wages didn't go up for 20 years.
They're dying seven years younger.
You know, when administrations, you know, the Biden administration is giving all this money to EVs and cars and wasting a lot of money on green stuff, which isn't going to work and all that.
Do you think people in rural cities, do you think people in inner cities thought they were getting anything?
Do you think that those people think that the American government is fair and competent and that this was in their best interest?
Their schools don't work.
They're not getting the skills they need.
And you heard that just now.
So we got to acknowledge, and I also call it blue tape because Republicans, you generally don't like red tape.
You understand the devastation of it.
But most Democrats, they love it.
They want more of it.
And they want to make it so confusing you can't even meet the rules.
So you get punished and fined afterwards.
And so, you know, we, if then you have in permitting, and you know, I call the government the Leviathan that's too weak, can't get stuff done, and too strong.
It imposes things on the American public that they're getting sick of, and they should be getting sick of it.
And acknowledge that.
Celebrate our virtues: freedom of speech, free religion, freedom of enterprise, equal opportunity, family, God, country.
elijah schaffer
Okay, so sounds all good, right?
On the edge.
But, you know, Cernovich put something up that I think is really important.
And he said this: check this out.
He's like, he doesn't give a SHIT, but this shows where the energy is.
You are going to get populism or Luigi.
These market-manipulating a-holes slowly are realizing this, but they are still scum and they're not our friends.
He was saying that, look, he knows the elites are starting to realize what's happened, but they don't actually care because they took advantage of the economy for so long.
sarah stock
Yeah, well, now they just have to pretend like this is what they care about.
You know, that's why they pretended they kicked Vivek out of the picture, but it's like, in reality, we're still going to get what Vivek wanted.
They just don't want it to appear like they support that.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
And one of the worst parts of this is, is you don't even know who Jamie Dimon is, and that's fine.
But these people have been taking advantage of our economy for decades.
And Cernovich wrote something very, very, very diabolical.
He said, you know, these people, they savaged and ravaged and took advantage of our economy for literally decades.
And then they're like, hey, you know, people are dying seven years younger, making less money they made 20 years ago.
That's very problematic.
You know, that's a diabolical issue.
And I just have to say, I don't know if I think these people really care.
I think they're worried that maybe their heads are going to be on pikes soon, right?
Maybe accountability is coming.
That's what I feel.
sarah stock
Yeah, I mean, I think so too.
Yeah.
I mean, I just don't understand this thing where like conservatives have to care about CEOs or corporations.
And like, this is supposed to be like a core tenant.
You know, this thing that's called like the Reagan, what, the Reagan WEF something.
What's it called?
elijah schaffer
The Reagan WEF.
It's the Reagan Economic Forum.
unidentified
Yeah.
sarah stock
So like, it's just like the World Economic Forum, but then they put Reagan in it to like appeal to, you know, Trump supporters or whatever.
And it's like, yeah, this is the problem with Ronald Reagan and what he wanted and everything.
It literally is this whole idea of, you know, we're being told it's about capitalism and free markets or whatever, but it's really just about corporations and CEOs just kind of like ruining all of our lives.
tim pool
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
Well, one of the problems with this is like, yeah, that's what that is.
I just feel like the arguments against these people are just like so dumb.
And that's why, like, you know, by the way, there was an interesting clip that happened on the show.
This was posted by Tim Cass News.
I don't know if you saw this, but like the king of England made this very interesting post, particularly about the welcome to country or land acknowledgement, they call it.
And I thought this was quite interesting.
Watch this.
charles-iii
This land acknowledgement is a recognition of shared history as a nation.
While continuing to deepen my own understanding, it is my great hope that in each of your communities and collectively as a country, a path is found toward truth and reconciliation in both words.
tim pool
King Charles, who was the king of Canada, just said that they were on unceded territory of the Algonquin people.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, there's like a little bit of this, like uh, you know, problem where King Charles was sort of seeding off the country, and he was saying that he sort of that America should take it and then start negotiating with these tribes.
I'm a little more base than that.
I don't think we should have any communication with the natives, and I don't think they have any authority.
Like, these are conquered people, and quite frankly, we're the nicest people in the world because we allowed them to live.
Like, most people just genocide these people.
I mean, look at what Israel's doing to Gaza today.
I mean, this is not like you saw Randy Fine, the Republican senator, saying that we have to destroy Gaza because we have to destroy their culture because some cultures shouldn't exist, right?
So, he said we have to destroy them entirely-the Christians, the Muslims, everybody.
So, there's a lot of people today that hold very extreme views in the United States government today.
That's one of our sitting congressmen, Senator Randy Fine, talking about that we have to genocide somebody.
And I think it's kind of sad that people think like that, but you know, more importantly, it's like, hey, you know, with what can't what happened with Canada, what's going on with the country?
I mean, when you're a king and you're talking about, hey, you know, we don't actually own this land, it belongs to you.
You are ceding control and territory, and it seems diabolically.
I mentioned on the show, it seems like it's intentional, and it's it undermines the sovereignty of England and also sovereignty of the world.
Like, the land doesn't belong to them unless they wage a war and fight back.
sarah stock
Yeah, I mean, it was pretty base when Tim called him the king of Canada.
I was like, okay, monarch, monarchist Tim.
Is that what we're going with here?
elijah schaffer
Is that it?
Yeah, that's your whole point.
Oh, Lord.
unidentified
Okay.
All right.
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All right, so um, kind of going to some other clips.
I don't know what the hell uh, yeah, I don't know why the sound is so weird on these clips, but it is what it is.
Uh, that being said, Tim Poole, um, by the way, uh, ended up attacking on his show uh, Nick Fuentes, which is really interesting.
Obviously, he's a very controversial figure, particularly online, uh, mostly for his views on ethnic minorities, like Jewish people.
And Tim Poole, you know, ended up going over this.
Now, Tim Poole's fully monetized.
He's got a very normal show.
Things are very, very normal there, but he has a beef with him.
I don't think Nick was very happy about this.
It doesn't look like he's been very happy about what Tim has been saying about him.
And he rightfully so, right?
I mean, Tim's been sort of slandering him, making him seem like he's kooky or somewhat, you know, schizophrenic or obsessed with Israel and not really addressing maybe why Nick is wrong.
And I always talk to the viewers of the show and I say, when someone's sort of telling you that you're a psychopath or putting titles or names onto you because they say you're wrong, but they're not really explaining how you are wrong in a way that makes sense.
They could say why you're wrong.
They're not explaining it in a way that makes sense.
They got to ask yourself, what's really happening?
Listen to this.
tim pool
Uncle Sam is a fraud says, Tim, did you watch the greatest free show on earth last night?
America first with Nick.
I'm sorry, I read that wrong.
Israel first with Nicholas J. Big Show.
He does talk about Israel more than any other issue, doesn't he?
elijah schaffer
When are we going to have the debate?
tim pool
What's the debate?
elijah schaffer
i saw him say he said i said alex jones elijah shaffer and like i don't even know what the the disagreement is really between you guys but i mean like that's what i'm asking what what am i supposed to debate Well, I think he made claims that like they're Israel first, right?
I read the tweet.
tim pool
It's an insult.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I feel like it's a little bit demeaning, right?
Like, I mean, he does take attacks at you too, though.
So, I mean, you guys are both kind of like cutting at each other.
tim pool
My point is the people who think Israel is responsible for everything are – they – the first thing that comes to their mind in terms of the problems of this country is Israel.
They're Israel first.
Like me, I'm concerned about our southern border.
I'm concerned about fentanyl crossing the Canadian border.
I'm concerned about the cartels in Mexico.
And then there are people who literally talk about Israel all day.
And I'm like, bro, America has problems.
Israel is not the first on that list.
We can go over the things we don't like about Israel.
100% agreed.
But when you bypass literally our southern border, which is our first and foremost problem, 20 million illegal immigrants over the span of a couple of years flooding our labor market, flooding our hotels.
And you're like, yeah, but Israel, I'm like, bro, are you serious?
You are Israel first.
You care more about Israel than the fact that New York, that Joe Biden brought in, I think the actual number is like 10 million over four years.
Considered to be one of the largest mass migrations in human history.
unidentified
I think they believe that the Jews did that.
elijah schaffer
No, I honestly, because I've talked to both of you guys pretty extensively about your views.
I think you misunderstand each other, but also I don't think that's true with him because I've never watched a full episode.
Sounds really bad.
I've never watched a full episode of this show or of his show.
I've never watched a full episode of my own show.
You don't end up watching your own stuff.
But I've seen enough clips to like where I see him talking about Curtis Yarvin and Peter Thiel and the military industrial complex being a huge issue in the ear of Trump.
And with you too, I don't think, I think you don't get enough credit for being open and honest where people won't even mention Israel or Zionist or APAC or any of these words.
You're not afraid to talk about them despite maybe it could cause problems for monetization.
So I think he has a real open opportunity to generate a lot of views and to say, if you're making these claims and he's saying that, you know, he's saying something, being able to sit down together and discuss this, I feel like this is what people are doing.
tim pool
It's not a debate.
sarah stock
Well, it could be a discussion.
unidentified
Okay.
sarah stock
He's also making the claim that basically you're bought out by Israel or by Jews.
tim pool
Which is Israel first.
sarah stock
But would you not debate him on that claim?
tim pool
What's the debate?
I don't get money.
sarah stock
He was accusing you of meeting with Netanyahu.
tim pool
I met with Netanyahu indeed.
And Tucker Carlson met with the premier.
elijah schaffer
So, look, it looks like we'll make nobody happy, particularly on this topic, because, you know, the way that I look at it with the Groipers, with the whole side is like, they're very loyal to Nick.
You know, his followers are very loyal to him.
And Tim is very influential.
He's got a very big following.
He makes a lot of money.
And, you know, people really, really, the Groipers really feel like Nick has been very slandered, which is true.
He's been very slandered, very dragged, very, very censored.
And, you know, what I found is if you don't defend Nick enough or you don't say enough to defend him, they accuse you of being like capitulatory to the system or censorship.
When really to bring this stuff up on a show like on Tim's actually takes a lot of gall, takes a lot of balls.
And it's honestly when you're talking to Tim about these topics, you need to be respectful.
People don't know what it takes.
It's like going over your girlfriend's home for dinner with her parents.
Like, you know, maybe that's not the time to bring up your views on racial differences and IQ discrepancies between social orders.
Like, you know, you've been invited somewhere.
You're being treated to an experience.
They're paying for you to be there.
And you've got to be respectful.
But, you know, we did bring it up and we wanted to ask the question, you know, why won't you debate?
You're willing to talk about him online.
You're willing to slander him.
He's willing to debate you.
He's saying you're wrong.
And, you know, it's not our fight.
It's not your fight.
It's not my fight.
But I think it's with two men, two men are talking crud about each other and are willing to say that each other are wrong.
If they're not willing to sit down and discuss it, he says, what's the debate?
I think, let's call it discussion.
Like, I think that Tim owes Nick a discussion on this topic on air.
And I offered to host it on this channel because like, I know Nick is people are not happy with what I said on the show because they think I didn't say enough.
And I know that, you know, Tim's people think that I said too much and I was being too rude.
And I know that everybody's never going to be happy with me because I'm Elijah Schaefer and everyone thinks I freaking suck and that's fine.
But, you know, I am who I am.
You know, I'm a California conservative.
I think we got to get back to blood sports, the fun of information.
And I think may the best man win.
So no one's going to die.
No one's going to get hurt.
We're on the doll to the ideas and the arguments hurt you.
We're not calling for blood or for violence or for anything racist or anything, you know, anti-Semitic, anything like that.
It's just like, hey, you guys are having an argument about political ideology.
You have a large platform.
So does Nick.
Why won't you talk to him if you're willing to talk about him?
And I feel like that's a real question today is like, why can you not talk to someone face to face that you're willing to slander online?
It's a big problem on the internet.
And I don't feel comfortable, you know, being on a show calling someone Israel first and using that as a slander to like make it seem like they're unreasonable or they're disillusioned when you won't even talk to them face to face.
It kind of seems a little bit phony.
You know, I don't know if you agree with me, but it seems a little disingenuous.
sarah stock
Yeah.
And I do feel like this is a problem specifically with Nick.
Like so many different people are constantly trashing him.
You know, everyone from the Daily Wire, all of these mainstream right-wing influencers and commentators that have all these followers are constantly trashing him.
And then their excuses for why they won't debate him are just so ridiculous.
Either it's, you know, oh, he slighted me this one time.
He said something kind of rude or whatever.
But they're never actual real, or like, oh, his views are just so abhorrent.
It's like, okay, but you host like far left people who advocate for chopping off children's genitals and murdering babies in the womb.
And I actually think that's pretty bad.
You know what I mean?
Like, I feel like you probably actually agree with someone like Nick more than you agree with those people, but you're not willing to platform him.
And then they use the monetization excuse, but it's like, okay, well, you can go on his platform.
You can go on another platform.
The reality is they know that there is kind of this system in place in the right wing, which exists to just gatekeep anything further to the right because they know that if we actually challenge the mainstream right ideas, you know, the more, I guess you could say, dissident right views are going to get more support because a lot of them are true.
elijah schaffer
Well, they're fundamentally true, right?
That's kind of the whole problem is they actually are true.
You know, I kind of don't like the fact that, you know, my entire life, I kind of sit somewhere, you know, in an olive branch between both the far right and the establishment, right?
It's sort of been my MO.
And a couple people called me a fence sitter for this position.
And, you know, quite frankly, F you for that.
Like, that's pretty, pretty stupid.
You need allies.
You need people in different positions.
You know, a lot of times, the biggest issue we have today is the majority of Americans see that a lot of these nationalist and pro Western values are what are making the country stronger, which are the most promising factors for our nation.
But they're not getting the mainstream platform.
They're still relegated to the far end depths of Instagram IG reels or coded TikToks using Gen Z censorship language, like unalive themselves, right?
And then when you get on the mainstream platforms, even myself, you're really pressured to just not say certain things, right?
There's a lot of control mechanisms, and it's hard for me to even, even for me to get onto these platforms today, right?
Like with my own views, you know, we got you and I got canceled at NYU.
There's, there's a large swath of people and institutions that don't want us to speak, right?
I mean, I'm not going to, you know, I'll just say this.
You know, I have a friend at CPAC Hungry, and he talked about how, you know, Dave Rubin wouldn't talk to anybody at CPAC Hungary who didn't hold pro-Israel views, you know, and would just like walk up and ignore them if they had said anything slightly against Israel or anything.
So you have this real gatekeeping, even in person, they just treat you like you don't exist.
And I don't think that a lot of people who work in this industry or who don't know really what it is.
It's like, you know, it's kind of like this.
Like you may work at a normal job.
You may hate your coworkers.
You may hate your boss.
Go tell your coworkers you hate them.
Go tell your boss you hate them.
You won't have a job tomorrow.
So it's not really that you're trying to cuck or capitulate.
You're trying to understand how to actually make this a viable career path while also being honest and real, but also realizing that people are very volatile and not realistic.
And you cannot, in many ways, you know, expect people, you know, to do something that's going to jeopardize getting the platform out.
And I'm still trying to figure out.
I know you're still trying to figure out here at Rift TV.
We're trying to understand how to get these ideas into the mainstream.
Like that's one of the main things we're doing.
It's like, how do we get these?
So we work a little bit on Tim.
We put these ideas out, but how do we push, you know, this idea that people that look like us, how do we get people that look like us to get back power in their own communities they built, right?
There's a lot about strengthening black communities, strengthening gay communities, but how do the Sarah stocks and the Elijah Schaefers of the world regain rudimentary power to influence their own countries, their cultures, you know, and their identities?
That's that's the hard question.
And that's what, that's what I think.
There's so many critics out there, but we're not going to stop working here because despite the criticisms, despite the onslaught of you're never far right enough for the far right.
You're never liberal enough for the establishment right.
You're never, you don't ever like please anyone.
And when you stop trying to please anyone, you start to find success.
This is my personal opinion.
And, you know, you have a lot of turning point people following the shadows of Charlie.
You got a lot of Groiper type people following the shadows of Nick.
You get a lot of like Tim type people trying to recreate Tim's show.
But then you got eventually you got to be yourself.
You just got to be your own Sarah.
You got to be your own person.
I respect Charlie.
I respect Tim.
I respect Nick.
You know, do I respect one more than the other?
Probably.
Is there things I don't respect about all of them?
Yeah.
But at the same time, you know, I can understand there are things about them, you know, like Charlie's ability to reach the masses and to appeal to the general Republican, Tim's business prowess to negotiate with big tech while still holding controversial figures on his show.
Nick's ability to be brutally honest, you know.
Yeah, these are all things that I really truly respect, but they all have weaknesses too, right?
It's like, you know, they have their own issues.
I'm not going to call them out here on air or any of them.
I just mean they're humans.
I have my own issues too.
But I wish we could get along more.
And I think that the problem is that everybody's trying to destroy us because they really don't want a bridge between it.
Everyone wants to be in their own island and they want to keep Nick over here and Charlie here and Tim here.
And it's like, we're kind of coming in the middle and just like, hey, we'll work with all of you.
And to be quite honest, look, we need the platforms.
You guys are right.
You and Tim are right.
I'll end with this.
Charlie and Tim are right.
You got to be have a broad appeal, but also you can't negate listening to people like Nick or some of these people.
They're very honest about what's going on in the country.
You've got to adopt some of those ideas or you're lying to your audience.
You know what I mean?
You're a sellout essentially.
sarah stock
I mean, it's just hard to try to have a broad appeal and also be honest.
But I want to talk about one thing that I do kind of wish we maybe pushed back on Tim about a little bit was his claim that you know Nick and people like him are Israel first because they talk about Israeli influence in American politics.
And obviously that's not really just about Nick, but it's about like you know Candace or Ian Carroll or Jake Shields or all these people who are talking about you know foreign influence from Israel.
And I just feel like that's kind of a silly claim because the reason why these people talk about it so much is because we haven't been allowed to talk about it for so long.
So it's not that it's not even saying like that is like the most important number one thing.
It's like, well, this is what no one else is talking about.
So we need to fill the gap.
And additionally, it's like, yeah, that is a pretty big deal because American sovereignty is the most important thing because we need to be the ones running our own country.
Otherwise, like otherwise, like, what's going on?
Like, that is clearly the most important thing in our government.
In like policy-wise, everything is American sovereignty, which is why illegal immigration, like Tim mentioned, he's very concerned about is such a huge issue for Americans.
It's because it's like we're selling out our country.
That's why the H-1B issues was a big thing.
It's like we're selling out our countries.
People are running our countries.
People are benefiting our country who aren't us.
And they're taking control of it.
So it's like, if this isn't even our government, if it's run by some, you know, foreign lobby groups or whatever, it's like, what are we even doing?
You know, if we need to call that out first before we can fix the other issues.
So it makes sense.
That's why it's going to be so-called Israel first.
It's like, yeah, because you need to root out the problems before we can fix everything else.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, well, I don't think we should have pushed back more because I think the claim is stupid.
And like, I don't know, like, I don't think anyone that's, I don't think that anyone that watched thought that we didn't do a good job because I don't think the audience is dumb.
That's kind of one thing that I've always prided myself in is that I don't expect my audience to be retarded.
You know, I don't expect people to be stupid.
Like, I hear a stupid point.
I don't waste my time arguing about it for 30 minutes.
sarah stock
You don't need to appeal to like the lowest common denominator.
elijah schaffer
No, I think they're smart.
I know it's a dumb claim.
But I also think that, you know, every side needs to try a little harder to work with each other.
That's my only claim here.
People need to be a little more open-minded.
And, you know, maybe you don't need to be in a made outfit with a Palestinian flag attached to your butt and suck the spit off the floor of a black man's toes.
But, you know, I'm just going to say you can fight the machine without doing that.
That's all I'm going to say.
You can do that.
I want to leave that here, you know.
Thank you.
You can do it.
You can do it.
unidentified
That's the confetti there.
elijah schaffer
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I think clips from this will be posted on there.
So you can find them there.
And also, you can follow my social medias.
It's sarah.stock.politics on Instagram.
Oh, that's yeah, that's my YouTube.
And then on Instagram, Sarah.stock.politics.
And then on X, probably where I'm most active, it's Sarah C. Stock.
elijah schaffer
Awesome.
Well, the rest of you guys watching, have a great rest of the week.
As always, and may God bless the United States of America.
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