March 29, 2025 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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Israel Lobby EXPOSED: The Shocking Truth About Who’s REALLY Controlling America!
In this episode of Almost Serious, Clifford Kiracofe, a seasoned foreign policy expert, author, and educator, to dive deep into the hidden forces shaping U.S. politics and foreign policy. From the powerful sway of the Israeli lobby to the surprising roots of Christian Zionism, Kiracofe reveals how these influences—backed by money, media, and ideology—may be steering America away from its founding principles.Show more Drawing from his decades of experience on the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and his book The Dark Crusade: The Israel Lobby and Christian Zionism, Kiracofe uncovers the historical ties between British imperialism, religious ideology, and modern-day geopolitics.
How did Christian Zionism infiltrate American churches and Congress? And what does this mean for free speech and the future of the republic?
Expect unfiltered insights, shocking revelations, and a no-holds-barred discussion on lobbying, media control, and the “woke mind virus.
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You have the American, the U.S.-based organizations, Zionist Organization of America, Apex, and then you have the individual donors that you pointed out, very wealthy donors like Adelson family and so on, who are individually billionaires or millionaires who are donating contributions.
And a lot of these people, it doesn't seem like they really need to be lobbied.
They believe it.
Who controls the United States of America?
It appears that our government is working for somebody that sure as hell isn't the people that are in this room right now or the people in my state or even in this entire country.
But if they're not serving us, then who are they serving?
My guest today, Clifford Kirikov, he is a second, a seasoned foreign policy expert, author, and educator with a deep background in U.S. international strategy.
He served as a senior professional staff member on the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs, where he played a key role in shaping American policy during the Cold War era.
With decades of experience, Kirikov has become a leading voice in U.S. relations with East Asia, Russia, and the broader geopolitical landscape.
Additionally, he is the author of the Dark Crusade, Christian Zionism, and U.S. Foreign Policy, a widely discussed analysis of how religious ideology has influenced American global actions.
Now, in addition to this, he's also publishing books on international affairs.
He has taught at the institutions like Washington and Lee University, the Virginia Military Institute, and China Foreign Affairs University in Beijing.
Whether in the classroom, the Capital, or in print, Kirikov brings sharp insight and historical depth to today's most pressing global issues.
And with such an incredible resume like that, I feel like I'm in the presence of a celebrity.
Yeah, you know, as I said, the only thing better in Morgorus in my studio would be a nice 18-year-old girl, but we don't, we'll have those for the after party.
But, you know, they say, right, you're never too old.
But obviously, you're a seasoned gentleman, right?
So you've had at least five, 10 years in the world.
Let's talk a little bit about, you know, before we get into your book and talk about the rest of that, let's talk about a little bit of your history, you know?
So you've worked in the government.
Tell me about, you know, these years.
I think it was over a decade, right, that you served in the United States government.
Well, actually, those committees, our particular committee, each committee has a certain jurisdiction.
And our committee had jurisdiction over the State Department.
And we also had Intel and other things coming into us.
And we had responsibility for, the Senate has responsibility for the confirmation of ambassadors, et cetera, et cetera.
So I would review those or staff would review their resumes and check them out, et cetera.
And senators would take positions on foreign policy, pro or against the administration or advice.
The Constitution provides for advice and consent of the Senate.
So when the word advice was used back in our early days and the formation of the Constitution, that meant, you know, the Senate had a voice in foreign affairs.
And the president who is in charge of foreign affairs needed to at least listen to the advice.
The president himself is fully responsible for our foreign policy, but the Senate can approve treaties or not approve treaties.
It can approve appropriations, et cetera.
So there's a strong role of the Senate as well as the House.
Okay, so you have a pretty good grasp on what's going on.
There's this famous creator named DC Draino.
I don't know if you've heard of him.
And he put out a tweet talking about the top 10 countries that lobby the United States, right?
And he had Liberia and China superseding far beyond some of the more popular countries that are spoken about today.
And a lot of people ratioed him.
This idea of their comments were more popular and got more likes in his post saying, this is a complete lie, right?
This is insane.
I want to get your opinion.
On that chart saying that it was first, China is the biggest lobbyist, and it's like Liberia.
And there's all these kind of like strange countries, which we all know everyone, you know, claps and stands for the president of Liberia in our Senate, right?
Everybody kisses the wall in Liberia.
People love to go to the Great Wall of China and put little prayers in it.
You know what I mean?
Everyone knows that that's 100% true.
But I want to get your perspective from an accurate foreign intelligence perspective.
Which countries really have control and sway and are politicians by the balls?
And is that accurate that it's really just like China and Liberia, or are there other countries out there, let's say, that definitely control our entire United States Congress?
So why is it that it's okay to talk about every other lobby, right?
It's totally okay to talk about China.
I don't think anyone accuses you of being anti-Asian or Oriental medic is a new word I just made up, you know, where you're against, you know, the things of Asian descent when you talk about China.
In fact, it's sort of promoted in the right wing to criticize China.
And I think that's fair.
I think it's good to criticize an adversary like that who probably doesn't have our best interest in mind and we don't have theirs either.
But when it comes to other lobbies, I mean, I hadn't heard about Liberia before.
Why is it that the Israeli lobby is not only just something that maybe we don't talk about, but it seems like people are trying to mislead the public on how much influence they have with a concerted effort right now?
And I think that's a very important point you make.
The Israeli lobby, in my view, and in the view of others, is the most influential lobby on Capitol Hill and also in the White House, the executive branch.
I think people are trying to mislead us or mislead the American people and turn their attention away from or protect Israel.
So the idea is to protect Israel, as if free speech here is unimportant, as if the First Amendment is unimportant, that we can't here on this show criticize Zionist policy.
So I think it's also a deception.
These pundits that you mentioned before, it's a deception.
Whoever he is, is trying to deceive his listeners and viewers and the American people.
Well, obviously, it could be conjecture, and you wouldn't know the exact, you know, his exact reason because we don't want to make any accusations here that we don't know what's going on.
Obviously, there are, we'll talk about a little bit.
You know, sometimes people's motivations for this could be their religion, right?
It could be their faith.
It could be what they're taught, or at least a version of their faith.
But let's talk a little bit about the lobby because you are an expert on foreign affairs and you have worked in the government for longer than I've even worked in media, which is pretty insane.
And when it comes to the Israeli lobby, what is that?
What does it consist of?
Because I think what he was mentioning is sort of direct money that we can trace through FARA from the Israeli government or whatever to politicians, meaning they're not actually that influential when you look at that.
But obviously, the Israeli lobby is so much more complex.
It's a lot larger and it consists of private individuals.
So let's say the first and foremost would be the Israeli embassy in Washington itself as the official governmental presence of Israel and its policy, et cetera, and its relationship with our government.
Then we can take into account Israeli organizations based in Israel propagandizing in the United States.
Well, there's a number of organizations in Israel that a lot of them are linked to the Christian Zionist apparatus and all of that.
And then you have the American, the U.S.-based organizations, Zionist Organization of America, APAC, the American Israel Political Action Committee, APAC.
And then you also have political action committees with names that it could be like the Evergreen Political Action Committee, which actually could be pro-Zionist, but they use a non-controversial name, right?
So you have the networks of those types of PACs.
And then you have the individual donors that you pointed out, very wealthy donors like Adelson family and so on, who are individually billionaires or millionaires who are donating contributions.
So there's a range there.
On determining the amount that politicians receive, our federal election, we have an organization where if you contribute money over a certain amount, the Federal Election Commission registers that.
And that's a public record.
So there's an organization called the OpenSecrets.org.
And they track using the Federal Election Commission data, they track the contributions.
And they post on X, by the way.
So if viewers are interested in actually the official government records of contributions, you can find that through the Federal Executive, Federal Elections Committee, also through the Open Secrets and other organizations.
Because I think that lobbying is a very tricky statement because it's the assumption that we're talking about lobbying being like, oh, an official organization, like we mentioned, giving money registered with FARA that we can trace.
But as we saw with Tenet Media, I don't know if you tracked that.
There was obviously a shell company from the Russian state government, you know, funneling money to private citizens who then didn't even tell the people they were funneling the money to that they were getting the money from from Russia.
And of course, you know, they get taken down by the FBI.
They're in a lot of trouble.
I don't think it's right.
I don't think they're being unfairly persecuted, Lauren Chen and those there.
I think it's false, bogus charges from the Biden administration to trump up their operation.
But I thought I want to talk about that because I thought it was so funny that everyone on the right, I'm sure you're familiar with that, but when Tenet came out, everyone's going, dude, what was you thinking?
Taking money from someone who had a pro-Russian slant?
You can't make movies and media from somebody from a foreign country.
I'm sitting here, having worked in conservative media my entire life looking around being like, oh, really?
Since when did that become a problem?
Because last time I checked, like everyone I've worked with and work around has like been given free trips to Israel alone, which is considered lobbying, given free vacations.
I mean, that is a form of gifts, right?
That should be declared.
You know, my question to you is like, you know, how much of this lobbying is also just indirectly through the media, right?
Not even through politicians, but through the legal private capture of media.
And also, as you pointed out, you have so-called free trips from congressional delegations, free trips from senators and congressmen, et cetera.
And then you also have the free trips by media representatives or other types of Americans that are involved in foreign foreign policy or public opinion, generating public opinion, journalists, et cetera, et cetera.
So To be frank, the Israelis have had over the years a very, very intense effort to bring Americans of different professions, et cetera, to Israel.
As a matter of fact, you may know that they bring a lot of policemen to Israel to train.
So a lot of American police are trained in Israel.
And of course, that can lead to some accusations of police brutality here in the United States.
They've been trained in Israeli techniques, which are brutal.
And they bring those techniques back to the United States.
Yeah, also, too, when the building collapse right up here in West Palm, I don't know if you remember that there was a big apartment complex that collapsed here on the coast.
I think it was last year, the year before that.
The IDF came to help with the recovery efforts.
You know, the IDF was managing the site.
It was always a bizarre thing to me.
Like, the IDF is taking over the recovery efforts here.
And I go, that's just bizarre to me.
I mean, thank you, right, to a foreign country.
They're supposed to be our greatest ally.
So thank you for maybe the first time I've heard them doing anything for us.
So that was nice, I guess, you know, but moving a few rocks here and there and saving lives.
It was a very brutal situation.
Don't want to make light of it.
But I do think I want to talk to you about this because before we go into the religious aspect, which again is the faith motivation for why people sort of like lobby, right?
We can actually call the faith lobby a lobby because it's people who, you know, they'll cut off their own family members for not supporting Israel.
You know, they'll kick you out of church leadership.
It becomes a moral question.
But of course, we know there's the money question, which is true.
There's the gifts that we just spoke about, which are true.
But I want to focus a little more on the media here, even though it's not your topic of expertise.
I just want to know, you know, I have my opinions, but why is it that the media is more critical of the United States than they are of Israel in general?
The right-wing media, I should say, conservative media.
And why is it that our media talks so much about Israel and cares so much about what's going on there when in reality, you know, it's a very small country and probably we probably have more strategic partnership militarily with Saudi Arabia than we do with Israel.
Well, I think if you look back in the history of American journalism and maybe start, you know, 1900 or something like that, before World War I or in that era there, and work your way forward, you'd find that major American newspapers like New York Times, et cetera, et cetera, owned by Jewish interests.
It's not a secret that the Oaks family owns a good portion of the New York Times.
So the leading print media has had definitely a presence of Jewish ownership, wealthy, you know, wealthy people.
And then, of course, they would select and be influential in the choice of their officers and directors of the corporation.
And then they in turn would be selective in terms of their employees.
And they would naturally fall into line with the desires of the ownership.
So the New York Times is a flagship U.S. publication on the print side.
If you take a look at the history of all the major TV stations, ABC, NBC, CBS, et cetera, if you go back in the formation of those television networks, also, they were also owned by wealthy Jewish interests.
So that then influences the content.
And so it's no, if you take a look at Hollywood, for example, the owners of the major studios, You take a look at the development of Hollywood from the 1920s on and the ownership of the studios, MGM, and all the big studios.
Those are all also Jewish-owned because they had an interest in those businesses.
And whereas others apparently did not or did not invest in those industries.
So I think there's a good argument to be made that that general culture in journalism or in media, major media, major journalism, legacy media, legacy journalism, is heavily influenced in a pro-Israel direction owing to the ownership of the companies, which you can just look up and see who owns what stock and that sort of thing, and who were the officers and directors.
So there's obviously these people that are on the internet.
And when you make statements like that, they don't even talk about anti-Semitism.
They just say, it's like J-O-O-S, I think it's like, right?
They like the Jews, right?
And they sort of mock it, right?
It's like, oh, here you are again talking about the Jews, you know, like they misspell it.
Like it's this like woo-doo-woo, here we go, just talking about your conspiracies.
How much of this is coordinated or how much of this is just ethnic devotion, which again is actually admirable in my opinion?
I wish Europeans had the same admiration for their own countries and their own determination to fight for the survival of their people that Jewish people have.
It's actually, it's very admirable in many ways.
The levels that they go to to secure their offspring and to what they went for over a thousand years to get their country back, right?
I mean, their kingdom, really, it's their empire that they're building.
It's not really a nation.
So how much of this is a coordinated effort where people are communicating and they're sort of operating like a lobby for these interests?
Or how much of this is just coincidence because, like people say, you know, they have a high IQ, so they just happen to be in these positions.
And who wouldn't fight for your own people, right?
Well, I think if you go back into the 19th century and you take a look at the lessons of the 19th century, you see that Jewish investors realize that it would be a good idea to own newspapers.
So you see in Austria, for example, or in other countries in Europe, those investors purchasing newspapers as a good business and as a business investment and also to put forward their perspectives.
So when people kind of mock the idea of, like you said, Daju, you know, this conspiracy stuff, it's not really a conspiracy of any kind.
It's simply a matter of wealthy people purchasing media assets that they can use for their own purposes.
And in this case, that we were just talking about, to support Israel, for example, to build up Israel and say, tear down the Palestinians.
That's as an example.
So therefore, the wealth of the investors is oriented toward media for political and social and cultural reasons.
And then those on the so-called far right or on the left, far left, who raise this issue of, oh, well, you're talking about a conspiracy of Jewish people and things along those lines, they get into kind of a hysteria to try to avoid the real issue of who owns these media sources.
Well, on the conservative side, so-called far-right and all that, it seems to me if you take a look at some of the more famous far-right pundits and all of that who espouse a pro-Zionist line, that it's profitable, right?
It's profitable.
So therefore, there's a business interest.
You make money if you're on the right side of the issue.
And so being pro-Israel and say anti-Arab or however you want to phrase it, anti-Islam or whatever, it pays well.
And you get your advertisers, you get whatever.
So I think there's more of a financial interest on the part of some of these people than anything else.
So it's like instead of having to directly, you know, go out and control everyone, you just control corporate culture or, you know, you control, you gatekeep, right?
So you just need to get into a few different positions of power.
And it's like, look, we don't need to tell every actor and actress what they can say.
We don't need to tell every movie what they can say, but we could own the studio and we decide what gets distributed.
We can't stop things from being created, but we can stop them from getting in front of eyes, right?
So we control the distribution network and control the, you know, what are they called?
When they join like SAG and stuff, unions.
Yes, we control the unions.
So then, you know, you can't get a job as a director if you're part of the union.
So we can't stop you from learning how to make movies, but you got to be in the union.
And if we don't like what you are, then you can't make movies at our studio.
And so you create this control valve to where you can actually shut the water off at the source, right?
It's like water is the greatest force ever, yet a dam can still hold it back, right?
So you can kind of get the control.
Was this strategic?
Like, do people meet together and decide this is what they were going to do around the world?
Or is this, again, by accident because they happen to have IQs and it's just an odd coincidence that it's like this in every country in the West?
Yeah, but why does this occur in every country, right?
So I was living in and out of Australia for the last, you know, better half of the decade.
And it's like this in Australia, too.
You know, these people that are even less here, it's like 0.4% of the population, but they're so powerful, they were able to lobby the United States government to prevent Candace Owens from entering into the country, right?
Not on the grounds of any criminal activity, but just on the grounds of her opinion of them.
And she doesn't even have quite a controversial opinion.
She just mostly talks about what we're talking about here.
She's on YouTube.
She's monetized.
She's fine.
So I see no problem with talking at this at a structural level, educational level here.
But that's what I'm saying.
That has to be intentional.
They can't be an accidental diaspora that these people just try to escape being killed by Hitler and then also happen to have the exact same instruments and power of control in Australia that they do in the United Kingdom, that they do in Canada, that they do even in Mexico.
Well, you'd figure that in other countries, they would organize, for example, as they've organized here in the United States with AIPAC and other philanthropic organizations to support Zionism or to support the state of Israel, etc.
So it's not a question of so-called international conspiracy.
It's just a question of a big club.
And you join the club and you interface with each other.
And therefore, you can affect political opinion through your media or through your campaign contributions that we've just been talking about.
So, for example, it's logical that the folks in Australia, where you lived, would be in touch with similar club members in New York or London or Paris or whatever.
This sort of an international cosmopolitan group.
And you're wealthy people, the rich people in New York would certainly have friends, wealthy friends in London or wealthy friends in Australia.
In fact, reminding people that we do got to be loyal to our party.
And that's true, but part of what a Republic is, is we're loyal to our constituency, not the party.
And, you know, you got to play the game.
People are going to call me a sellout here.
We've got to play the game.
We play the game.
We play the game here.
Sometimes I lobby with the Republican Party.
I'm open about that.
I openly lobby for them.
And to the more based crowd, I'm like to try to rally support recently for the continuing resolution.
And I get paid for that.
And I don't ever push anything I don't believe in, though.
I never, I read it.
I thought it was fine.
I'm not a politician, so I didn't read it like a politician would.
And then Thomas Massey says, no, I have a problem with some of the stuff in it.
I had a problem with some of it too.
But again, you're not going to get everything you want.
It's always going to be a little fat.
I'm just like, let's avoid a shutdown.
Let's continue on.
We got to take more money away from Columbia University for anti-Semitism.
You know what I mean?
But so Thomas Massey says, you know, hey, I want to stop this.
And I hear it and I go, fair.
You know, I saw some things I didn't like either.
I'm glad.
I'm not a politician.
I'm an entertainment guy.
You're a politician.
Okay, put a halt to it.
Get a second review.
Get cut the fat.
And instead of saying, okay, yeah, maybe he's looking out for his constituents.
They go, you're not loyal to us.
Literally, who, though, is the question because his constituents are us, right?
If you're being loyal to your constituents, even I don't like it.
If you're a Democrat and you're being loyal to the people of New York, I like it.
I disagree with them, but I get it.
You know, I get it.
I get why Bernie's Bernie.
I get why the Vermont, I mean, the people are weird nutshops, you know?
So I get why he's the way he is the way he is.
So not to ramble too much, just it's funny because then I tell the guys on the show, like, you know, hey, he didn't take any money from APAC.
You know, this has got to play a role.
And then I wake up this morning.
I want to quote it directly here because I don't want to get called a liar.
Just this morning, it turns out, yeah, here it is.
This is so good.
It turns out the Australian Jewish, no, American Jewish Coalition is backing the primary candidate.
And they're going to, this is the first thing that came out.
They're going to fund the opposition.
And I go, I thought this was about the continuing resolution.
Why isn't a super PAC related to the economy, you know, try to primary him?
Why is it a faith-based, ethnic-based group that is now backing Trump and saying we're going to work on getting this guy out?
You know, I don't know.
Maybe because their wealthy friends didn't want him in.
And it just seems to me that every time there's something a little, every time someone's not loyal or talks about what we're talking about, they get in trouble for it.
Richard Nixon, the Republican, said essentially the same thing.
And it's on tape somewhere in the internet universe.
He was interviewed on that subject.
And then so here you have President Nixon, a Republican, conservative Republican, and President Carter, a moderate Democrat, on tape in an interview saying that, well, if you buck the Israeli lobby, you're not going to get re-elected or you get primaried in our current jargon.
Is it because this whole network, like there's just between business, commerce, funding, the actual lobbying from the government, plus the unofficial lobbying from APAC?
Like the power mechanisms are too strong in the fact that, you know, he's just saying like the odds are not in your favor, right?
But that's an interesting statement because I do think money is the greed.
Like in the case of my friends who often capitulate and take money, I think I have a viral tweet right now.
I've been offered number one money to speak out against Massey and I turn that down.
I've been offered money to hit at him.
This is a few months ago and I was public about it when it happened.
So people think that it's made up.
It's like, no, so I'm not saying it now conveniently.
Like I was offered money.
It was like, no, it was months ago.
There was a hit and my other friend took the money.
And I was like, he like, you like Massey.
Why are you taking money to hit on him?
It's like, well, it's good money.
So that's the proof.
And which I want to talk about this, the lobby that we don't talk about is the Christian lobby, which is, which is strangely enough, shouldn't be a Zionist lobby if you're following the Bible, but they don't, right?
And they also have women pastors and all these weird heresies today.
And by the way, I'm not like this good Christian guy.
So, and I'm also not, I'm not an atheist.
So I'm not hateful of Christians.
You know, I'm just like not a good example of a good Christian guy.
But I believe it.
I know it's true, but I definitely can tell that the church is not what the Bible wanted the church to be today, at least the Protestant church.
And the reason why I say this is I have another viral tweet out where I was saying, hey, you know, guys, I want to remind you, I was offered a lot of money to lie on behalf of the IDF.
You know, this is very significant money.
Like $2,000 for a tweet multiple times.
So it's $10,000 in a week just to put out a few tweets to just lie.
Particularly, people don't know.
You can see it on my Twitter, but these three teenagers, I think, well, technically, it might have been four, but I think it was three teenagers were walking to their house in Gaza.
And I'm laughing because there's no other way to put it.
The IDF just blew them into multiple pieces, just blew them up.
And now there were two explosions, and they wanted me to say that they were actually Hamas terrorists.
And the second explosion was the IED they were holding flying when they got hit and blown up.
I looked at the footage, I blew it up, tracked and increased the resolution and could see in two different frames, frame by frame, the actual guided bomb that was coming from the plane.
And then you can see later on in the film, you can see a plane flying away like slightly in a frame like a jet.
And I had friends who I sounded the alarm in the group.
I go, hey, guys, this is, no one should be taking this money in this offer.
No one should be taking this because this is not true.
Because I know some people like Israel go, I don't mind sharing factual information, even if it helps the IDF.
If it's true, it's true.
I don't got a problem with, or I don't have a problem with anyone sharing true information.
Even if I don't like the country, I don't like that it's true.
We got to stick to the truth and the facts.
But this is a lie.
And I had friends, one of them who works for Prague or U, share it.
Some other prominent individuals or Turning Point shared it.
And it wasn't until I publicly said, hey, this is a lie.
These people are lying.
They're taking money for it that they all took it down.
And that being said, guess what?
Guess I can't say who because I'm on an NDA, but a very prominent organization is a Christian organization that was offering the money.
I didn't say that Israel gave me money.
It was just a prominent Christian organization that was asking, what business, professor, does a Christian organization have asking degenerate entertainers like myself, the degenerate podcasting world, to go out, especially journalists?
We're the scum of the earth.
What are you doing lobbying us to lie on behalf of a foreign military operation?
And of course, as we know, Satan is a father of lies.
So what they're asking you to do is to engage in helping Satan with his lies, essentially.
To put it in a theological framework, just to put it in a political science framework, what this Christian organization is trying to do is to attend or hide behind quote-unquote Christianity.
And they being Christian Zionists, of course, as I assume they are, hide behind that mantle of piousness and whatever in order to, as a cover for Israeli intelligence or Israeli IDF or whatever organization, political party, for example, Netanyahu's political party or whatever.
But it's foreign influence.
And one thing I'd point out, we can just go online these days.
It's so great.
Internet is so great.
You can just look up George Washington's farewell address and take a close look at George Washington's farewell address when he talks about foreign policy and people with a passionate attachment to a foreign power.
And it's the best medicine I can recommend to viewers.
Let's take a quick look at George Washington's farewell address in those paragraphs where he talks about a passionate attachment for a foreign power and what that can do to a republic, because we live in a republic and we want to see our republic go forward in space and time and with our constitution.
And these so-called Christian Zionists that you mentioned are actually subverting, subverting our freedom of speech, if you want, subverting the First Amendment, aren't they?
This is a lot of my family falling under this realm.
Part of what keeps me away from Christians is like, I want to be around people who can discern truth, right?
And I don't doubt the gospel, and I don't doubt, I don't doubt that.
And I'm also not an idiot where I'm like, oh, well, you know, somebody at the church hurt me, so I can't trust the church anymore.
You know, it's not like that.
But when there's an entire institution set up that is like more concerned about anything about your support for this fictitious country that the United States, you know, formed basically with the United Kingdom, you know, like this post-war nation that has no correlation to the original empire of Israel.
And also completely, the deification of it undermines the authority of God.
It undermines the authority of his church.
And it spits on the crucifixion.
I mean, you know, in fact, people are still like celebrating Passover.
And it's like, we don't, you know, they'll go to Jewish Passover as Christians and you're like, we don't celebrate Passover because we don't need the firstborn son doesn't need to die because Jesus already, as a firstborn son, died, and he fulfilled that.
The angel of death has no power, death has no sting, you know?
So what are you doing, you know, mocking the cross?
Like, what are you doing celebrating?
Oh, because we got to respect them.
But why?
And it's, you find that they almost respect them as if they are at the level of God.
I mean, it's fairly obvious that the New Testament is a new covenant.
I think it's important.
I try in my book to show where did this Christian Zionism originate as an ideology?
And if you go back to England in the 1820s, 1830s, I have a chapter on this in my book, you find that a weird cultic group assembled around a banker, by the way, and this cultic group in some town in England decided that they would get involved in philosophizing about prophecy.
And so they kind of invented, without any biblical authority, they invented an interpretation, a prophetic interpretation.
And in their view, the time is divided into several dispensations or eras, as they call it.
We're living in the end times now, according to them.
This is the 1820s.
And this Christian Zionism ideology came out of that group of people way back in the 1820s and 1830s.
What's important, and I point out in my book, and this is key, the political rulers that be, the foreign policy of the United Kingdom, that is the British Empire, they had a Secretary of State, we would call it, they called a foreign minister by the name of Lord Palmerston.
His son-in-law was friendly with these so-called Christian Zionist circles.
And he advised his father-in-law, he said, look, this would be good for our empire, because what we can do is weak, because the British Empire was against the Russian Empire at the time.
What we can do is we can try to see if we can be friendly with the Turkish Ottoman Empire.
And being friendly with the Ottoman Empire, we can grab Palestine and set up a British imperial presence in Palestine and then bring Jews from all over the world to Palestine to fulfill the prophecy that we invented, the end times prophecy.
So essentially then, the Christian Zionism as a political or as an ideology was created to support the British imperial policy in the Middle East.
And this is interesting.
I point this out in the book.
Who were the enemies of the British Empire at that time?
The Russians, the Tsarist Empire.
The British Empire also had its eyes on China, grabbing parts of China or whatever.
And the British Empire was also concerned about Persia.
Well, so this Christian Zionism in that era backed up a British foreign policy that was anti-Russia, anti-China, anti-Persia.
And what they said was, these three powers are going to be part of Armageddon.
So we're going to reach Armageddon.
And these three evil powers are going to be involved in Armageddon and the end times.
And so that was used by the British Empire back in the early 19th century that I pointed out.
And it's used again, as you just said, on Fox News.
So what are people believing?
So using the Schofield, how do contemporary Christians get into this bizarre ideology?
Well, one way is through the Schofield Bible.
And what happened was, it's a very simple explanation.
This cultic group in England that I mentioned, called the Albury Circle, by the way, this cultic group in England, out of that emerged a religious figure by the name of John Nelson Darby, D-A-R-B-Y.
You can look him up in Wiki, John Nelson Darby.
He was a defrocked priest of the Anglican Church in Ireland, okay?
And so he took some of this prophetic stuff and started to spread that Christian Zionist message.
He came to the United States in the 1850s, and he went up into Canada and preached this stuff up in Canada.
And as I show, I trace in my book how this weird Christian Zionist ideology got through the United States in the 1850s, 1860s, and then different Bible colleges and et cetera, et cetera, incorporated it.
And in 196, I guess it was, the Oxford University Press, believe it or not, in England, published the Schofield Bible.
What Schofield did was, without attributing Darby, Schofield grabbed all of Darby's teachings and made it into footnotes for his Bible.
So when you're reading the Schofield edition of the Bible and you're looking at those footnotes, explanatory notes, those are actually Darby's notes going back to the Christian Zionists back in the 1830s and 40s, this cultic group.
And the Schofield Bible then became kind of a basis, a theological, if you want, basis for Christian Zionism in England, in the United States, Canada, Australia.
You probably encountered it in Australia.
You may have encountered it in Australia.
That's the kind of origin of this weird cultic belief.
But this is also strategically about also, it is interesting, people that are Christian also tend to be Republican, also tend to also hate China, Russia, and Iran, right?
That's sort of like the, that's like what Fox Hughes is going after, is these Zionist Christians.
And you see them with Lauren Boeber, with Marjorie Taylor Greene, these people saying, these are God's chosen people, and it's turning into foreign policy.
Our government is believing this.
And a lot of these people, it doesn't seem like they really need to be lobbied.
It seems like they believe it, right?
And you know what's crazy is I used to believe that too.
Because obviously I went to a Zionist seminary and Bible college and graduated from a Christian university as well.
Starting at UC Irvine, but ending up finishing there.
And then even for grad school, it's Catholic or whatever, but that's a little bit different.
It is interesting how much, you know, I thought there was no other way.
Like there's no other way.
And that's what people don't realize.
It's not, it's a brainwashing from when you're a child, and it's tied to your mortal soul.
Like it's an immortal thing that you have to believe in God and protect his people.
And in fact, I would say that our Christians in the United States are more concerned about what happens to Israelis than they are about Christians in China, Russia, and Iran.
Or Christians in Palestine or Christians in Syria that are being murdered as we speak on this show today or this week or this last several weeks.
There's a massacre of Christians occurring along with the Alawite Muslims in the western part of part of Syria.
And in Gaza, the 200,000 people or more have been murdered by the Israelis.
So there's a real consequence.
And with the American politicians that you just mentioned, there's a real consequence to this cultic ideology, Christian Zionist ideology.
It's not just sort of ivory tower stuff.
As you just very interestingly pointed out, this perspective is actually infecting the brains and minds and thinking of our representatives in Congress, which then can lead to a foreign policy, which then causes turmoil in the Middle East, which could trigger a regional war if we attack Iran, for example, as they wish us to do.
And a regional war could trigger another world war.
So this is really serious stuff.
It's not just a bunch of crazy people attending a church service here and there in the United States.
It's actually, as you correctly point out, it's gotten into positions of power in Washington, D.C., and it affects foreign policy decisions.
That's why George Washington's farewell address is a very good, those several paragraphs that he talks about in foreign policy, the passionate attachment to a foreign power, and he calls it delusional politicians.
George Washington uses the word delusional.
And so I think it would be appropriate, just as you said, to point out some of these politicians, actually in George Washington's terms, he would say they are delusional.
They have this passionate attachment for a foreign power.
So what is your opinion of when this shift happened, not only in Christianity in the United States, but also in our government?
Because we used to be isolationist.
And in fact, Israel didn't even exist.
And I couldn't imagine our founding fathers founded the United States with the goal of making sure that one day we can make sure Israel has the right to exist.
You know, I don't believe that was their idea.
In fact, we're intentionally diluting the reasons why this nation was founded.
We've abandoned the racial aspect, abandoned even the faith aspect.
Now we have, you know, Indian Hindus, you know, in power.
And I think they'd be rolling in their graves.
I think our founding fathers would be very upset with this big idea we have.
And as I mentioned, our country started to get infected with this Christian Zionism in the 1850s, 1860s.
And then as I point out in my book, I have a whole chapter on the development in the 19th century.
It is interesting to note that while the British Empire continued promoting Christian Zionism in the 19th century, right, and their policies in the Middle East, along with their policies in the Middle East, some Americans, the Christian Zionists, joined with that idea that, yeah, Jews from all over the world should be repatriated, quote unquote, you know, or whatever, to the Holy Land,
Palestine, so that that would trigger the end times clock and move it forward.
So I would say, you know, in response to your question, it started, let's talk about World War I. How's that?
If we look at World War I, the British in 1916 were having a pretty rough time.
The Germans were in a pretty commanding position at that time.
So from the standpoint of the British government, they were in something of a pickle, we can say, because the Germans were advancing and were in very strong position during the war.
Well, what happened?
Interestingly, the Zionist movement in England, this would be the Jewish Zionist movement now.
We're not talking about the Christian Zionists, which would ally with the Jewish Zionist movement.
They're two separate movements.
The Jewish Zionist movement in the British Empire in England advanced some ideas for British imperial foreign policy.
The British Zionist movement at the time was backed by wealthy philanthropic people.
The key family would be the Rothschild family.
The French, actually the French Rothschilds, but they also had a London branch.
And so the Rothschild family and its support friends and associates and also folks who had married into it or whatever, formed kind of a core group, an influential at the high society level.
We're talking, you know, Rothschild, high society in England.
And that high society level then was able to influence the British cabinet.
And the key person was a fellow whose last name was Samuel.
And he had a position.
He was a wealthy banker and high-level fellow, Jewish fellow, and close with the Rothschild family.
And he advised, he advised in 1914, he advised the British cabinet, look here.
Let's, if we, if, if we support the Zionist project in the Middle East, that is to say, the Zionist project in what we would call Palestine, right, historic Palestine, if we support the Zionist project there to bring hundreds of thousands and millions of Jews to Palestine, we can create first a colony that's going to be friendly with the British Empire.
And later on, that colony can become a state.
And that state of Israel can also be friendly and an ally with the British Empire.
So my, Mr. Samuel, my suggestion is that we encourage Zionism and we get ourselves involved in World War I and we destroy the Ottoman Empire because Palestine, geographically at that time, was part of the Ottoman Empire.
The Ottomans made a stupid mistake and associated with the Germans.
And that gave the British the excuse to go after the Ottoman Empire, which the Zionists wanted to have happen so they could grab that piece of Palestine and turn it into a Jewish state.
Now, the second point I want to make on that is the British cabinet bought that as a war measure.
Some of the British cabinet, like Lloyd George, was actually a Christian Zionist himself.
He had grown up in that environment.
So what then happens is the British Zionists leadership has friends in Russia among the Jewish population in the Russian Empire.
And at that time, the Russian Empire included what we would call Poland today and other parts of Eastern Europe, Ukraine and so on.
That used to be part of the Russian Empire, but after World War I, they became independent states.
So the London Zionist group got in touch with the leaders of the Russian Zionist group.
And at the same time, that was to try to keep the Russia in the war, World War I, as an ally of England.
And at the same time, that didn't work eventually because of the Russian Revolution, but at the same time, they got in touch with the American Zionist movement.
And the American Zionist movement was created after the famous 1897 World Zionist Convention, we can call it, in Basel, Switzerland, where all the Zionist leaders of the world gathered in Basel, Switzerland, 1897, to create a plan for the creation of Israel, state of Israel, down the road.
And so what happened was that the Zionist movement in the United States, while small, had prestigious leaders like Brandeis and big money out of Wall Street.
I mean, we're talking big money out of Wall Street, where it always comes from.
And so big money from the Jewish Wall Street, not the Gentile Wall Street.
And so Brandeis, who was very famous, you can look him up in Wiki or whatever.
Brandeis was a good friend of President Woodrow Wilson.
So the strategy of the British Zionists to assist the British Empire in their war against the Germans was to bring the United States into World War I, right?
To add that to the scale on the side of the British.
And so Brandeis played a key role.
The Zionists played a key role in influencing Woodrow Wilson to declare war in 1917.
It's just like, it's just like, it seems like whenever you find something catastrophic going on in the world, some big war that doesn't make a lot of sense, especially when they don't make sense, right?
It's like, why would we do that?
You're like, why did we get involved in that?
Or like, why?
It's like, okay, there were some foreign interests there that were weaponizing our power and our government against what was good for our people.
And, you know, back in World War I, for example, there were a lot of peace initiatives.
The Pope himself in 1914 was out of the gate trying to have a peace situation in Europe.
So the Roman Catholic people were trying to advocate peace and stop this war.
And by 1916, there were initiatives from the German side, from the Austrian side, from the Spanish side, from the French even.
There were different peace initiatives in Europe to stop the war in 1916.
Right?
But the chronology was that despite these peace initiatives from Austria, from the Pope, from Germany itself, from wherever, despite these peace initiatives, certain British circles and French circles blocked those peace initiatives in order to prolong the war.
It was 1916.
And even in 1917, before the United States enters the war, those peace initiatives were still going.
But the British and the French were blocking those peace initiatives, peace diplomacy, we can call it.
And so then the Zionists, through Brandeis, get Wilson to get us into the war.
Now, we have to say, to be completely honest here, the Germans made some mistakes, like sinking the Lusitania and sinking some American ships and declaring kind of a submarine war against us.
So there was some mistakes on the German side, too.
Nonetheless, and that interrupted the diplomacy, but nonetheless, the Zionist factor on Wilson and Congress, whatever, getting us into World War I.
We can fast forward to World War II.
That's been explored.
But we can also fast forward to right now in Ukraine.
Who was blocking the peace initiative in Ukraine?
Boris Johnson.
Remember, the Russians and the Ukrainians were negotiating just a few months after the war started.
President Ergogon of Turkey was trying to get a little peace initiative going in Istanbul.
Who flies in?
Boris Johnson and blocks that peace initiative.
So here we are again when world diplomacy diplomats are trying to stop the war, trying to find a peaceful solution.
The British go in and intervene.
So it's a similar situation.
So as you just pointed out, these odds, World War I, World War II, Ukraine war, and so on.
It's like there's so many peace resolutions, but there's got to be a final solution to this problem of like ongoing war and things.
It's like, it seems like it's like the entire West is mitigating its own demise by a very short span right now.
Like we're barely holding back our own destruction.
It feels like our currencies are collapsing.
Our economies are sort of like fake and puffed up.
We don't really produce much anymore.
We're not, you know, we're not manufacturing our own stuff.
Our militaries are not really prepared for war.
And we've declared war on our own people, you know, like Woodin Biden said, white supremacy is the greatest threat.
Well, why?
Why are the people who built this country liking preferring themselves over other people who just got here and probably shouldn't be here?
Why is that a threat?
And our own media is at war against us.
Our own conservative right-wing media is against us.
You can literally tweet out after October 7th that they wanted to carpet bomb and flatten Gaza.
In fact, it's crazy.
But then if you dare say, you want to just clean up the crime in South Chicago or maybe like you said something, I have an employee who said, maybe apartheid wasn't a bad idea.
They get in trouble, right?
I mean, I don't get her in trouble, but they get them in trouble.
And I don't mind extreme ideas and I don't mind people thinking for themselves.
I prefer it, actually.
I like to know how people think and I like to discuss real ideas.
I don't like there to be ideas off the charts.
I want truthful ideas.
I don't like offensive for offensive sake.
I don't like cruel for cruel sake.
But my God, if we're going to have sex together, let's at least be naked.
You know what I mean?
Like it's like, it's like, we want to figure out real problems here.
Let's at least be able to discuss the real solutions.
And it feels like, you know, the only place we are in the world talking about real solutions is Israel being able to take Gaza.
There's a problem here in thinking about our country as a republic, as a constitutional republic, and having law and order and having a pursuit of happiness, as they say, in our country.
And the immigration crisis is out of control and so on.
What you're touching on is this idea that we can't feel free to speak out.
We don't have First Amendment rights.
And this comes from wokeness, we can say, this wokeness problem in the United States.
I want to point out, it also comes from the hard left in the 60s.
I was on campus in the 60s, and you could see what was going on, what was going on then, although I was against the Vietnam War, but that not because I was on the hard left.
But wokeness, this is very important to understand.
Wokeness is actually critical theory.
Wokeness came to the United States in the 1930s, and wokeness was invented in the 1920s in Germany by a group of intellectuals in Frankfurt, Germany, called the Frankfurt School of Intellectuals.
And this wokeness, i.e., critical theory, came to the United States, and I'll explain what it is in a minute.
Came to the United States in the 1930s when the Frankfurt School intellectuals, who were all Jewish except one, left Germany and came to the United States and hung out in Columbia University in New York.
Now, let me explain it because it's really important.
We used to talk about this in the late 70s and early 80s when I was up in Washington.
Back then, we would talk about this as cultural Marxism.
So, at any rate, the critical theory is a form of Marxism, but it's a neo-Marxism.
And the German intellectuals realized that, you know, after World War I, this idea of class struggle, as Marx formulated it, doesn't really work anymore.
It's not really the workers versus the capitalists.
That's not how it is.
The best way that we can have a revolution is to reformulate Marxism.
And instead of the workers being oppressed, it's all these minority groups.
And those oppressed groups then are the vanguard of the revolution, not the old industrial proletariat.
So that was the reformulation.
And that critical theory at Columbia University got spread into sociology departments and universities across the country.
It got spread into teachers' colleges across the country.
So critical theory then started to spread intellectually in the educational establishment in the United States in the 1930s.
And when you add the earlier Fabian socialism from England to those trends, here we are 100 years later, and that has successfully taken over the intellectual infrastructure of the United States, particularly at the university level, college level.
And I want to point out that that group of intellectuals in Germany and Frankfurt, as early as the 20s when it was founded, the foundation of that Frankfurt School was a joint effort of Marxist intellectuals, particularly a fellow from Hungary by Name of Lukac, but he coordinated with the Soviet intelligence services.
So this original group was an activity of the Soviet intelligence services to undermine Western civilization because the Soviets wanted a revolution too, right?
So So this, it's really ironic.
Here we are today in 2025, a century after this group was founded in Germany as an activity between some German intellectuals and the Soviet NKVD at the time, the intelligence services.
That subversive ideology is now spread throughout the United States.
Because I would assume that Putin, as a former KGP guy himself, Putin and the leadership there know darn well where wokeness started, that it was an old Soviet, Soviet political.
You know, I mean, someone even said, you know, you've been credibly accused of abusing women.
I go, really?
Credibly accused?
What's your standard of credible?
You mean the person who sued and lost their lawsuit because of no evidence?
Yeah, that's a real credible thing.
But it's funny because in the lawsuit, it was claimed that it was like, you know, it was just claimed that I was this bad guy, but yet there were pages in it.
Like the first few pages were all about anti-Semitism.
And it was all about how I was anti-Semitic.
And I find out that the lawyer in charge of this lawsuit is a Jew.
He's a Jewish guy.
He's a Jewish law firm.
And he took it on like pro bono.
So why am I, if I, if I'm mistreating females or whatever, why am I getting sued for anti-Semitism?
I don't have to do with the treatment of females.
And then I go back and I realize that there's Jewish groups involved in this.
And in fact, it was just a slander campaign from Jewish people taking advantage of a feminist to try to tarnish my name.
I won, though, but still, it was bullshit.
It really was.
But it was like, I looked at it and I was like, oh, that's what was going on.
It was Jewish people that were mad about what I was doing.
And they decided that they were going to sue me and tarnish my name.
And I feel like it's like, that's crazy.
Like the woke mind virus got into my own show.
It ended up being with my own coworker.
You know what I mean?
Who thought that, you know, she was going to do something.
But it was just like bullshit.
And it's like, she ended up becoming a feminist.
She's like a radical feminist now today.
And it's crazy because a lot of people that I work with, even in right-wing politics, they start with the views I have and then they realize it's not profitable or the amount of slander like me.
They can't take it.
They get slandered and stuff and they drop out and then they become woke.
You know, they do.
And it's actually the most contagious virus ever.
I know we make fun of that a little bit, the woke mind virus on another show, but it really is contagious and it can strike everywhere.
And if you're like me and you're resistant, you know, it's like I'm not wearing the mask and I'm not vaccinated, but I'm not getting the virus.
You start to make a lot of enemies, professor, and people don't like you.
And just in the last month, the two prominent individuals from this tribe tried to take us out, try to ruin us of our connections.
Came from the Trump and men, too, trying to try to cause some ruckus.
45 days before that, I had a prominent journalist from this tribe bring together an entire expose and try to cut off my business relationships.
They're two big hits from these people, which means they don't like me.
The gates of hell, the gates of hell are going to close on us.
You know, it's the same problem, for example, that you've had in the world of journalism.
Same thing occurs in the world of academics.
You know, if you don't look what's happening at Columbia University or the various universities across the country when the students, just like back in the anti-Vietnam War days, the students were organizing and protesting a war, et cetera, et cetera.
Students certainly have a right to protest.
Professors certainly have a right to give a lecture, giving a certain perspective or to encourage their students to speak freely, right?
But so the same thing that's happening, happened that you just described, I was not aware of, that happened to you, happening to professors around the country.
Senior professors, tenured professors are being fired because of wokeness, because of the charge of anti-Semitism, by the way.
And so it's not occurring just in the world of journalism.
It's also, which is an intellectual profession, it's also occurring in the academic world severely.
And we've just seen those examples.
And who knows what may happen to students, et cetera, or professors in the coming months as the situation in the Middle East continues with the genocide, obviously genocide in Gaza and the West Bank and all this kind of stuff.
Don't American students have the right to protest, even though we may disagree with the student or may agree with the student.
Why should the student be thrown out of university?
It's incredible.
I don't think this is beyond McCarthyism.
I mean, McCarthyism in the 50s was one thing, but this is.
Like, look, even if there's some extreme things, like, I might be like, I'm actually kind of nervous that we're going on the road that we're throwing like leftists out because they're left-wing.
It comes from the late 19th century, and it was invented by a Zionist.
If you look it up, look up the phrase, where does anti-Semitism as a word or a phrase in English or in French, anti-Semitism or whatever, where does that word or phrase come from?
Well, it comes from the, I believe it was around the 1880s, 1890s, right in there, that it was created by a Zionist as a weapon against people who were against Zionism.
Got it?
And it's also kind of ironic in a sense that, for example, we know Palestinians are Semitic people,
but a portion of the people who claim to be Jews today, it's more of a cultural thing than a sort of a biological thing because some have argued in the past that actually the Ashkenazi Jews in Eastern Europe are more,
don't have any actual connection to the Jewish people in the Bible that we read about, the Hebrew people, that they're basically Eastern European people that adopted the Jewish religion, or they're Khazar people from the Turco-Mongol type people, whatever.
So when people throw the phrase anti-Semitism at you, you know, you have to kind of reflect on, well, where does that word come from?
And why do they try to use that word, you know, against you?
And you're supposed to go, oh, you know, like that.
I think the main thing is to say, well, what do you mean by anti-Semitic?
I did meet an anti-Semite once in my life, though.
And his name was Joey.
And he was genuinely a, he genuinely just hated Jewish people.
Just hated them.
Like he just, their existence made him seethe.
But I understand people have extreme views and ideas.
You know what I mean?
So, you know, I tolerate a lot of people, but I also think that there are other people who are anti-white, who hate us and want revenge, maybe for the sacking of a temple or something like that.
